1 00:00:02,485 --> 00:00:07,041 [music] 2 00:00:07,145 --> 00:00:09,768 As I was trying to find the identities 3 00:00:09,871 --> 00:00:11,356 of these victims, 4 00:00:11,666 --> 00:00:13,703 I became pretty obsessed with this case. 5 00:00:15,256 --> 00:00:18,432 The first barrel contained skeletonized remains 6 00:00:18,535 --> 00:00:21,711 of an adult female and a young child. 7 00:00:23,402 --> 00:00:27,786 The second barrel contained two young girls. 8 00:00:28,511 --> 00:00:31,410 They just deserve names. They should not be nameless. 9 00:00:33,205 --> 00:00:35,690 I was sitting on my couch in my living room 10 00:00:35,794 --> 00:00:37,175 as I'm researching. 11 00:00:37,554 --> 00:00:39,729 That's when everything clicked. 12 00:00:40,178 --> 00:00:43,146 There were a few posts that stood out to me. 13 00:00:43,560 --> 00:00:46,253 A young woman that had disappeared, 14 00:00:46,356 --> 00:00:50,740 and there was a family member looking for her. 15 00:00:51,396 --> 00:00:52,431 I'm contacting her, 16 00:00:52,535 --> 00:00:54,192 because I know that this is them. 17 00:00:54,295 --> 00:00:55,952 This is them, there's no way it's not them. 18 00:00:56,056 --> 00:00:57,574 Everything matches. 19 00:00:58,058 --> 00:01:00,612 I'm like, "This woman's gonna think I am a complete loon." 20 00:01:01,785 --> 00:01:03,891 You know, what can I lose? 21 00:01:04,340 --> 00:01:08,206 And within seven minutes, she responds back. 22 00:01:08,447 --> 00:01:10,173 "You've got my heart pounding." 23 00:01:10,760 --> 00:01:12,175 And I'm like... 24 00:01:12,865 --> 00:01:14,281 "Oh my God, oh my God." 25 00:01:14,384 --> 00:01:16,662 And my hands started, like, shaking uncontrollably, 26 00:01:16,766 --> 00:01:18,837 I'm like, "Oh my God, oh my God, oh my God." 27 00:01:18,940 --> 00:01:23,221 [music] 28 00:01:24,187 --> 00:01:36,303 [music] 29 00:01:40,238 --> 00:01:42,136 [Rebekah] My name is Rebekah Heath, 30 00:01:42,240 --> 00:01:45,553 and I am a research librarian during the day. 31 00:01:45,933 --> 00:01:50,524 And by night, I like to look into true crime. 32 00:01:52,319 --> 00:01:53,803 Up until high school, 33 00:01:53,906 --> 00:01:57,772 I would spend a lot of times in the library. 34 00:01:58,221 --> 00:02:00,085 I think my personality, as it is, 35 00:02:00,189 --> 00:02:01,811 I'm just inquisitive. 36 00:02:01,914 --> 00:02:04,503 I just love to dig into things. 37 00:02:06,195 --> 00:02:08,300 I love to find pieces of furniture 38 00:02:08,404 --> 00:02:10,958 that someone might think was trash, 39 00:02:11,061 --> 00:02:13,719 and make it look fancy and new again, 40 00:02:13,823 --> 00:02:15,342 make somebody want it again. 41 00:02:20,485 --> 00:02:23,315 I had a very traumatic childhood. 42 00:02:23,798 --> 00:02:27,561 I craved a family, I craved belonging. 43 00:02:28,665 --> 00:02:31,358 These Jane Doe cases I researched 44 00:02:31,461 --> 00:02:36,397 are all nameless victims who belong somewhere. 45 00:02:37,260 --> 00:02:40,781 Bear Brook was the first case that I started looking into. 46 00:02:41,195 --> 00:02:43,784 The year was about 2010. 47 00:02:44,509 --> 00:02:47,788 There was a part of me that really, truly wanted to believe 48 00:02:47,891 --> 00:02:49,203 that I was... 49 00:02:49,479 --> 00:02:51,481 like, a kidnapped kid. 50 00:02:51,757 --> 00:02:54,450 That I truly had a family that loved me 51 00:02:54,553 --> 00:02:56,279 and wanted me in their lives, 52 00:02:56,383 --> 00:02:59,282 and so I started searching, 53 00:02:59,386 --> 00:03:03,562 "Missing girl, November 1985". 54 00:03:04,114 --> 00:03:08,947 And that is when the story popped up. 55 00:03:11,191 --> 00:03:15,919 November 10th, 1985. Three days before I was born. 56 00:03:16,368 --> 00:03:19,129 The first barrel was found in New Hampshire. 57 00:03:19,716 --> 00:03:22,788 The first barrel contained skeletonized remains 58 00:03:22,892 --> 00:03:26,033 of an adult female and a young child, 59 00:03:26,136 --> 00:03:29,485 which they assumed was likely the mother and daughter. 60 00:03:31,383 --> 00:03:34,628 The victims had died from blunt force trauma. 61 00:03:36,008 --> 00:03:40,358 They had also been dismembered and placed into the barrels. 62 00:03:41,186 --> 00:03:43,430 The descriptions of the victims 63 00:03:43,533 --> 00:03:46,467 just did not match anyone that was missing. 64 00:03:46,916 --> 00:03:49,746 So, they did not know who they were at that point. 65 00:03:50,402 --> 00:03:51,817 Back in 1985, 66 00:03:51,921 --> 00:03:54,372 they had done door-to-door interviews. 67 00:03:54,786 --> 00:03:57,996 And each person they asked knew nothing. 68 00:03:58,099 --> 00:04:01,206 It was just such a mystery. How did they end up there? 69 00:04:01,379 --> 00:04:06,556 [music] 70 00:04:06,660 --> 00:04:08,075 [Rebekah] 15 years later, 71 00:04:08,178 --> 00:04:11,320 the second barrel was found on the same property. 72 00:04:12,907 --> 00:04:17,222 The second barrel contained two young girls. 73 00:04:17,705 --> 00:04:22,296 They were also skeletonized and wrapped in plastic. 74 00:04:22,607 --> 00:04:25,265 Now we have four victims. 75 00:04:26,783 --> 00:04:29,545 They exhumed the two victims 76 00:04:29,648 --> 00:04:32,651 from the first barrel found back in 1985, 77 00:04:32,962 --> 00:04:36,690 and compare the DNA to the second barrel's victims. 78 00:04:37,760 --> 00:04:39,865 They found out there was a maternal match 79 00:04:39,969 --> 00:04:42,730 between the victims in the first barrel; 80 00:04:42,972 --> 00:04:46,493 the adult female and the oldest child. 81 00:04:46,596 --> 00:04:49,772 And in the second barrel, the youngest girl. 82 00:04:50,117 --> 00:04:52,637 Assuming that they are a mother and two daughters. 83 00:04:54,570 --> 00:04:57,676 The third little girl who was in the second barrel 84 00:04:57,780 --> 00:04:59,989 had no relation whatsoever to them. 85 00:05:02,992 --> 00:05:05,650 They still remained unidentified. 86 00:05:05,753 --> 00:05:12,312 [music] 87 00:05:12,415 --> 00:05:14,831 [Rebekah] What, you wanna eat? 88 00:05:16,626 --> 00:05:23,012 Jane Doe cases specifically do resonate with me. 89 00:05:23,564 --> 00:05:27,396 Because I do see a version of myself 90 00:05:27,499 --> 00:05:29,467 in these Jane Does. 91 00:05:31,400 --> 00:05:34,403 I was raised in a religious cult, 92 00:05:34,886 --> 00:05:37,682 in a home that was not very loving. 93 00:05:38,165 --> 00:05:41,927 My environment at home, it, it was so toxic. 94 00:05:42,307 --> 00:05:44,965 So many people were just so miserable. 95 00:05:45,621 --> 00:05:47,277 I remember, even as a kid, just wondering, like, 96 00:05:47,381 --> 00:05:49,141 "What is it like to be loved?" 97 00:05:49,245 --> 00:05:51,799 Like, "What is it like to... 98 00:05:51,903 --> 00:05:53,042 be happy?" 99 00:05:55,285 --> 00:05:57,253 I needed some way out. 100 00:05:57,805 --> 00:05:59,462 And they're like, "Well, you need to make a choice. 101 00:05:59,566 --> 00:06:01,533 It's us or the world." 102 00:06:02,085 --> 00:06:04,433 I was like, "Well, okay. I choose the world." 103 00:06:06,366 --> 00:06:08,022 As I was leaving, 104 00:06:08,368 --> 00:06:11,198 I remember trembling, being scared. 105 00:06:11,301 --> 00:06:12,544 Because I didn't know anyone. 106 00:06:12,648 --> 00:06:14,443 And there was so many times I just wonder, like, 107 00:06:14,546 --> 00:06:18,757 how did I not somehow come in down the path 108 00:06:18,861 --> 00:06:20,518 of somebody that was just so evil 109 00:06:20,897 --> 00:06:23,417 and could make me disappear, 110 00:06:23,521 --> 00:06:25,143 and no one would come looking for me? 111 00:06:26,420 --> 00:06:29,216 I think that's kinda really what drives me. 112 00:06:29,389 --> 00:06:41,470 [music] 113 00:06:41,573 --> 00:06:43,644 [Rebekah] I became pretty obsessed with this case. 114 00:06:43,748 --> 00:06:47,130 It was hard for me to let it go. 115 00:06:47,855 --> 00:06:51,859 I started making it my mission to try and find a little clue 116 00:06:51,963 --> 00:06:54,448 that could help tie this case together 117 00:06:54,552 --> 00:06:57,693 and give these victims back their names. 118 00:06:58,797 --> 00:07:01,973 If I am in an obsessive mood, 119 00:07:02,076 --> 00:07:05,045 there's something that just won't let me stop. 120 00:07:06,495 --> 00:07:09,877 I could easily spend at least six hours 121 00:07:09,981 --> 00:07:12,984 outside of work a day, and then weekends. 122 00:07:13,087 --> 00:07:15,573 As soon as I wake up 'til I go to bed, 123 00:07:15,676 --> 00:07:17,437 I could just constantly just, 124 00:07:17,540 --> 00:07:19,369 like, I just gotta, I gotta keep going. 125 00:07:19,473 --> 00:07:21,648 It's like, "One step closer. One step closer." 126 00:07:23,960 --> 00:07:26,584 I generally search the Doe Network, 127 00:07:26,687 --> 00:07:29,518 and I also like to use NamUs, 128 00:07:29,897 --> 00:07:33,867 which is a website that compiles unidentified individuals. 129 00:07:34,177 --> 00:07:37,353 And I just try and put myself in the perspective 130 00:07:37,457 --> 00:07:38,975 of a family member 131 00:07:39,079 --> 00:07:41,357 and see if I can find any people that are looking for 132 00:07:41,461 --> 00:07:42,600 their loved ones. 133 00:07:43,704 --> 00:07:46,776 If I was looking to find a loved one 134 00:07:46,880 --> 00:07:50,953 in approximately late '70s, '80s, 135 00:07:51,056 --> 00:07:52,161 where would I go? 136 00:07:52,264 --> 00:07:54,991 So, I started going into newspaper archives, 137 00:07:55,095 --> 00:07:57,442 through classified ads. 138 00:07:57,753 --> 00:07:59,893 People, a lot of times, would post, 139 00:07:59,996 --> 00:08:02,171 looking for family members there. 140 00:08:02,758 --> 00:08:05,899 I also thought about if they started looking for them, 141 00:08:06,002 --> 00:08:07,866 like, when the internet started. 142 00:08:07,970 --> 00:08:10,041 Where would they start looking? 143 00:08:11,836 --> 00:08:14,355 So, Ancestry has a message board 144 00:08:14,632 --> 00:08:17,358 where you could look for missing loved ones. 145 00:08:17,669 --> 00:08:20,085 I would use keywords to search. 146 00:08:20,396 --> 00:08:22,087 "Sister", "daughter", 147 00:08:22,191 --> 00:08:26,195 I just start compiling potential matches. 148 00:08:28,749 --> 00:08:31,752 And if I found out that they are alive, 149 00:08:31,856 --> 00:08:33,202 then they'd be ruled out. 150 00:08:34,099 --> 00:08:37,206 [music] 151 00:08:37,309 --> 00:08:39,070 [Rebekah] So, on Facebook, 152 00:08:39,346 --> 00:08:42,660 there was a group that followed the case. 153 00:08:43,384 --> 00:08:47,630 So, somebody posted something, and someone posed a question. 154 00:08:48,079 --> 00:08:50,288 You know, we might interact with each other 155 00:08:50,391 --> 00:08:52,877 in the comment section of the post. 156 00:08:53,360 --> 00:08:55,673 People would comment about the case and say, 157 00:08:55,776 --> 00:08:57,744 "Why is nobody looking for them?" 158 00:08:57,847 --> 00:09:00,609 Like, "Who could, how could you just let someone go?" 159 00:09:00,954 --> 00:09:03,128 And to me, it wasn't that there wasn't anyone looking. 160 00:09:03,232 --> 00:09:05,372 It was, how do we find those people 161 00:09:05,475 --> 00:09:06,891 that are looking for them? 162 00:09:07,270 --> 00:09:11,033 And that's how I got in touch with Ronda and Scott. 163 00:09:11,136 --> 00:09:15,002 [music] 164 00:09:15,106 --> 00:09:16,866 [Ronda] I grew up in southern New Hampshire, 165 00:09:16,970 --> 00:09:19,282 about 45 minutes from Allenstown. 166 00:09:19,800 --> 00:09:22,976 In 2011, I came to this case, 167 00:09:23,079 --> 00:09:24,702 and it said a woman and three little girls 168 00:09:24,805 --> 00:09:26,773 were found out here in a barrel 169 00:09:26,876 --> 00:09:28,602 in the woods in Allenstown. 170 00:09:28,913 --> 00:09:30,190 That really bothered me, 171 00:09:30,293 --> 00:09:32,192 that not only had someone killed them, 172 00:09:32,572 --> 00:09:34,539 but that somebody had actually robbed them 173 00:09:34,643 --> 00:09:36,023 of their names, as well, 174 00:09:36,127 --> 00:09:37,991 and that they'd gone unidentified. 175 00:09:38,370 --> 00:09:41,304 Why wasn't there a huge outcry in New Hampshire, 176 00:09:41,408 --> 00:09:44,169 in New England about their disappearance? 177 00:09:44,273 --> 00:09:46,586 And so, I decided, "Oh, I think I wanna go down 178 00:09:46,689 --> 00:09:48,898 and see the area where they were found." 179 00:09:49,312 --> 00:09:52,246 I asked my siblings if any of them would go with me. 180 00:09:52,350 --> 00:09:57,735 [music] 181 00:09:57,838 --> 00:09:59,184 [Scott] Early on in the case, 182 00:09:59,288 --> 00:10:00,772 that was kinda hard for me to understand, you know, 183 00:10:00,876 --> 00:10:02,256 how can a...? 184 00:10:02,360 --> 00:10:04,673 What we thought was a mother and her three kids go missing, 185 00:10:04,776 --> 00:10:07,020 and no one seems to be looking for the suspect? 186 00:10:07,952 --> 00:10:09,539 I wanted to lay eyes on the property 187 00:10:09,643 --> 00:10:10,955 where they were found, 188 00:10:11,058 --> 00:10:12,750 just to kinda get some own answers for myself. 189 00:10:14,510 --> 00:10:18,583 [Rebekah] It felt like a puzzle, and you got all of these pieces. 190 00:10:18,894 --> 00:10:20,033 Just put 'em together. 191 00:10:20,136 --> 00:10:21,621 Like, how...? I don't know. 192 00:10:21,724 --> 00:10:24,520 It just seemed like such a solvable case. 193 00:10:24,831 --> 00:10:27,316 I feel like they are me. 194 00:10:27,419 --> 00:10:30,526 They just deserve names. They should not be nameless. 195 00:10:30,630 --> 00:10:32,873 They need someone to fight for them, and... 196 00:10:33,115 --> 00:10:35,255 I'm, I'm willing to do that. 197 00:10:35,358 --> 00:10:40,156 [music] 198 00:10:44,851 --> 00:10:47,439 [music] 199 00:10:47,543 --> 00:10:52,790 [Rebekah] I am on my way to meet up with Ronda and Scott. 200 00:10:53,135 --> 00:10:58,450 It's been about three years since we last got together. 201 00:11:00,487 --> 00:11:05,492 I think one main purpose was that in these Facebook groups, 202 00:11:05,595 --> 00:11:07,356 we truly cared about the victims. 203 00:11:07,459 --> 00:11:08,771 And if we could all come together 204 00:11:08,875 --> 00:11:10,566 and find some answers, 205 00:11:10,670 --> 00:11:12,706 that's really what mattered the most. 206 00:11:12,810 --> 00:11:16,986 [music] 207 00:11:17,090 --> 00:11:19,264 [Scott] Interesting meeting Rebekah. 208 00:11:19,851 --> 00:11:22,474 She really does know herself, she's--know the case, 209 00:11:22,578 --> 00:11:23,890 and she's a great researcher. 210 00:11:23,993 --> 00:11:27,617 Both Ronda and I grew up ten miles outside of Manchester. 211 00:11:27,721 --> 00:11:28,964 - New Hampshire. - Yep, yep. 212 00:11:29,067 --> 00:11:31,414 But we moved out of the area two years ago, 213 00:11:31,518 --> 00:11:34,901 so I probably haven't been back for two years. 214 00:11:35,349 --> 00:11:38,387 I think it was last fall was the last time I went up to the park 215 00:11:38,974 --> 00:11:40,354 and to the property. 216 00:11:41,355 --> 00:11:42,805 Follow up on loose ends. 217 00:11:43,081 --> 00:11:45,394 It's like a never-ending project for Scott and I. 218 00:11:50,468 --> 00:11:53,436 I had been doing a lot of adoption searches for people. 219 00:11:53,540 --> 00:11:56,129 I like research, I'm kind of a history buff. 220 00:11:57,061 --> 00:12:00,443 In 2011, my kids grew up and left home, 221 00:12:00,547 --> 00:12:02,929 and I think it was a little bit of an empty nest moment 222 00:12:03,032 --> 00:12:05,103 where I just wanted to find something to research 223 00:12:05,207 --> 00:12:08,244 that was a little bit different than I'd been doing for years. 224 00:12:08,348 --> 00:12:09,970 And I came to this case, 225 00:12:10,074 --> 00:12:11,903 and there was four victims 226 00:12:12,007 --> 00:12:14,561 put in barrels out here in the woods. 227 00:12:15,148 --> 00:12:17,426 I couldn't believe that could be true. 228 00:12:19,117 --> 00:12:21,050 [Rebekah] It was an extensive amount of work 229 00:12:21,154 --> 00:12:24,674 that Scott and Ronda put into trying to identify 230 00:12:24,778 --> 00:12:26,297 who the perpetrator was 231 00:12:26,400 --> 00:12:30,094 and how he was connected to the case. 232 00:12:30,197 --> 00:12:37,204 [music] 233 00:12:37,308 --> 00:12:40,414 They had the same push and drive that I did. 234 00:12:42,106 --> 00:12:46,973 My mission was to try and find the identities of these victims. 235 00:12:47,387 --> 00:12:50,217 Ronda and Scott had been just trying to go headfirst 236 00:12:50,321 --> 00:12:52,910 and find a suspect for the murders. 237 00:12:53,496 --> 00:12:57,155 [music] 238 00:12:59,882 --> 00:13:06,199 [music] 239 00:13:06,302 --> 00:13:07,510 [Scott] Right in this area here 240 00:13:07,614 --> 00:13:10,893 is where the first barrel was found in 1985. 241 00:13:12,032 --> 00:13:14,483 [Ronda] It was found by a couple hunters, 242 00:13:14,586 --> 00:13:16,278 brothers who were out here. 243 00:13:16,381 --> 00:13:17,382 And at that time, 244 00:13:17,486 --> 00:13:19,212 you could look over into the mobile home park, 245 00:13:19,315 --> 00:13:21,421 and you could see the various mobile homes. 246 00:13:21,524 --> 00:13:23,803 You could see the path where people walked their dogs. 247 00:13:25,011 --> 00:13:26,391 And we figured that the, 248 00:13:26,495 --> 00:13:27,979 everybody in the neighborhood had been spoken to. 249 00:13:28,083 --> 00:13:30,326 You know, questions had been asked. 250 00:13:31,327 --> 00:13:33,191 [Ronda] Many, many, many people told us 251 00:13:33,295 --> 00:13:35,055 they waited for the police to come and ask questions, 252 00:13:35,159 --> 00:13:36,608 and nobody ever did. 253 00:13:38,887 --> 00:13:40,958 Very shortly after they were found, 254 00:13:41,337 --> 00:13:44,099 the investigation was taken out of the hands of the local police 255 00:13:44,202 --> 00:13:46,687 and turned over to New Hampshire State Police. 256 00:13:46,791 --> 00:13:48,137 And in a lot of people's minds, 257 00:13:48,241 --> 00:13:50,450 that's where the investigation fell apart. 258 00:13:50,553 --> 00:13:55,731 [music] 259 00:13:55,835 --> 00:13:57,146 [Ronda] So, finally, we just said, 260 00:13:57,250 --> 00:13:58,561 "Alright, we're just a brother and sister, 261 00:13:58,665 --> 00:13:59,839 we grew up in New Hampshire. 262 00:13:59,942 --> 00:14:01,771 And, you know, we believe this case can be solved. 263 00:14:01,875 --> 00:14:03,497 We know it can, 264 00:14:03,601 --> 00:14:05,499 and we just need to ask the right questions to find out." 265 00:14:07,018 --> 00:14:08,986 Two things became very apparent. 266 00:14:09,089 --> 00:14:10,815 Nobody knew the little girls were found, 267 00:14:10,919 --> 00:14:12,679 almost nobody in the mobile home park. 268 00:14:12,782 --> 00:14:14,129 And you could just throw, you know, 269 00:14:14,232 --> 00:14:15,647 a rock over there, practically. 270 00:14:15,751 --> 00:14:16,890 And the second thing was 271 00:14:16,994 --> 00:14:18,788 that we needed to focus on this property 272 00:14:18,892 --> 00:14:20,307 and the men who lived here. 273 00:14:20,411 --> 00:14:23,069 Because why would you risk coming down here? 274 00:14:23,172 --> 00:14:25,105 Down a private driveway, 275 00:14:25,450 --> 00:14:29,247 in sight of a mobile home park, dumping bodies? 276 00:14:29,696 --> 00:14:34,770 Likely, who placed them here was familiar with the property. 277 00:14:34,874 --> 00:14:41,190 [music] 278 00:14:41,294 --> 00:14:42,605 [Ronda] We heard all kinds of stories. 279 00:14:42,709 --> 00:14:45,401 Like, there was a family with kids, they moved away. 280 00:14:45,505 --> 00:14:47,956 We'd be like, "Who were they?" And they didn't even know. 281 00:14:48,059 --> 00:14:49,164 So then we began thinking, 282 00:14:49,267 --> 00:14:51,545 "Well, maybe they could've lived here." 283 00:14:52,132 --> 00:14:54,307 One theory being that whoever did this 284 00:14:54,410 --> 00:14:56,309 was what they call a family annihilator. 285 00:14:56,585 --> 00:14:58,967 You know, an individual who just exploded one day, 286 00:14:59,070 --> 00:15:00,106 killed his family, 287 00:15:00,209 --> 00:15:02,004 took off for parts unknown. 288 00:15:02,349 --> 00:15:04,144 Maybe a family in the mobile home park 289 00:15:04,248 --> 00:15:05,801 befriended the girls, 290 00:15:05,905 --> 00:15:07,665 if they had stayed on the property. 291 00:15:08,459 --> 00:15:11,945 [music] 292 00:15:12,049 --> 00:15:13,809 [Scott] One of the biggest things we did 293 00:15:13,913 --> 00:15:15,362 was to recreate the trailer park. 294 00:15:15,466 --> 00:15:17,709 Try to identify all the residents that lived there 295 00:15:17,813 --> 00:15:19,642 and contact them. 296 00:15:20,229 --> 00:15:22,991 [Ronda] Out of the ten families that lived there in 1985 297 00:15:23,094 --> 00:15:24,544 that also were there in 2000, 298 00:15:24,647 --> 00:15:27,685 only one family knew that the little girls had been found. 299 00:15:27,788 --> 00:15:30,032 And clearly, they didn't talk to their neighbors about it. 300 00:15:30,136 --> 00:15:32,069 None of the other families. 301 00:15:32,172 --> 00:15:33,656 I mean, we felt like we're having to prove, 302 00:15:33,760 --> 00:15:35,727 you know, pull out the composites and show them. 303 00:15:37,108 --> 00:15:41,526 I know at some point, people began wondering if 304 00:15:41,630 --> 00:15:44,357 there was a serial killer that was loose. 305 00:15:45,806 --> 00:15:48,740 [Scott] To go after the suspect every weekend, every evening, 306 00:15:48,844 --> 00:15:51,778 we're traveling all over New England talking to people. 307 00:15:51,881 --> 00:15:53,711 It was all-consuming. 308 00:15:53,814 --> 00:15:56,024 Like, I always kept coming back to one thing. 309 00:15:56,127 --> 00:15:57,577 They're somebody. 310 00:15:57,680 --> 00:16:00,511 They belonged to somebody, and somebody is missing them. 311 00:16:00,614 --> 00:16:01,719 They had families, 312 00:16:01,822 --> 00:16:04,964 and I'd like to see justice served for them. 313 00:16:06,310 --> 00:16:08,553 [Ronda] I mean, took quite a while just going door to door. 314 00:16:08,657 --> 00:16:11,108 You know, we'd come back over and over again sometimes. 315 00:16:11,211 --> 00:16:13,179 Or people just refused to speak to us. 316 00:16:13,282 --> 00:16:14,559 So, we just said, you know, 317 00:16:14,663 --> 00:16:16,389 "We realize us showing up at your door 318 00:16:16,492 --> 00:16:17,769 on a Saturday morning is awkward, 319 00:16:17,873 --> 00:16:19,979 but so are dead little girls." 320 00:16:20,393 --> 00:16:22,464 And we just wouldn't take no for an answer. 321 00:16:22,567 --> 00:16:26,744 [music] 322 00:16:29,816 --> 00:16:34,372 [music] 323 00:16:34,476 --> 00:16:37,168 [GPS] Use the right two lanes to keep right to Elm Street. 324 00:16:37,272 --> 00:16:38,549 Downtown[indistinct] 325 00:16:38,652 --> 00:16:41,793 [Rebekah] Ronda and Scott had a blog going 326 00:16:41,897 --> 00:16:43,209 a couple of years before 327 00:16:43,312 --> 00:16:46,315 I started proactively searching for answers. 328 00:16:46,419 --> 00:16:48,904 But in the beginning, I, I mean, I was alone. 329 00:16:49,008 --> 00:16:50,354 I had nobody at all. 330 00:16:52,563 --> 00:16:56,153 My research process, it's just kind of, like, 331 00:16:56,256 --> 00:16:58,396 scattered all over the place. 332 00:16:58,707 --> 00:17:01,089 I'm dyslexic, and for the longest time, 333 00:17:01,192 --> 00:17:04,023 I couldn't do normal things that everyone else could 334 00:17:04,126 --> 00:17:05,438 the same way that everyone else could. 335 00:17:05,541 --> 00:17:06,577 And I couldn't learn the same way, 336 00:17:06,680 --> 00:17:09,131 and it used to frustrate me so much. 337 00:17:09,476 --> 00:17:12,721 But it really, truly taught me to think outside the box. 338 00:17:14,343 --> 00:17:18,278 There was one specific post that was posted on Ancestry, 339 00:17:18,382 --> 00:17:20,729 and it was from 1999. 340 00:17:23,456 --> 00:17:26,838 It was family members looking for Sarah McWaters, 341 00:17:27,149 --> 00:17:31,188 a child born in 1977, in California. 342 00:17:31,705 --> 00:17:35,157 She was missing with her mother, Marlyse. 343 00:17:35,709 --> 00:17:38,850 Sarah had a half-sister, Marie Vaughn, 344 00:17:38,954 --> 00:17:40,680 who was also missing. 345 00:17:40,783 --> 00:17:43,786 So, as I'm looking into it, the dates are all lining up. 346 00:17:44,166 --> 00:17:46,030 The equation already is lining up, 347 00:17:46,134 --> 00:17:47,652 of the victims found in the barrels. 348 00:17:47,756 --> 00:17:51,484 There's two girls, and there's an adult female. 349 00:17:51,587 --> 00:17:53,624 But the more I looked into that case, 350 00:17:53,727 --> 00:17:56,351 I really couldn't find enough information 351 00:17:56,454 --> 00:17:58,594 to confirm or to rule it out. 352 00:18:01,942 --> 00:18:05,222 All I can think of is, like, "How can I find who you are? 353 00:18:05,670 --> 00:18:09,502 Where else can I look? What angle am I not looking at?" 354 00:18:10,744 --> 00:18:13,368 There's gotta be someone out there that's looking. 355 00:18:13,471 --> 00:18:15,335 There just absolutely has to be. 356 00:18:15,439 --> 00:18:22,825 [music] 357 00:18:22,929 --> 00:18:26,243 We wanted to find out who lived in the mobile home park. 358 00:18:26,346 --> 00:18:29,315 We got aerial photos from the late '70s. 359 00:18:29,418 --> 00:18:33,077 And we just started piecing together who lived where. 360 00:18:33,491 --> 00:18:36,874 Then I made a Facebook page and a blog. 361 00:18:37,219 --> 00:18:39,773 I had come across the blog before. 362 00:18:39,877 --> 00:18:41,154 'Cause I know it referenced 363 00:18:41,258 --> 00:18:43,674 the list of names of people that lived there. 364 00:18:44,985 --> 00:18:47,540 [Scott] And during this time, we were having 365 00:18:47,643 --> 00:18:49,438 some conversations with the property owner. 366 00:18:49,542 --> 00:18:51,337 And I think Ronda asked him, you know, 367 00:18:51,440 --> 00:18:53,166 "Well, do you have any idea who could've done this?" 368 00:18:53,270 --> 00:18:54,547 And he says, "Well, 369 00:18:54,650 --> 00:18:56,928 I have somebody that I wondered about, 370 00:18:57,274 --> 00:18:58,930 but I don't wanna say anything bad about him." 371 00:19:00,069 --> 00:19:01,347 That sends us down... 372 00:19:01,450 --> 00:19:04,557 Three years after having many conversations with him, 373 00:19:04,660 --> 00:19:06,110 where he said he didn't know anything. 374 00:19:06,214 --> 00:19:07,939 He's the guy that would know everything. 375 00:19:08,043 --> 00:19:09,493 [Ronda] Yeah, yeah. 376 00:19:10,666 --> 00:19:12,012 [Scott] Ronda was on the phone with him, 377 00:19:12,116 --> 00:19:16,983 and she was asking about a particular group of people. 378 00:19:17,086 --> 00:19:19,192 And he got frustrated and said, 379 00:19:19,296 --> 00:19:20,711 "No, you're barking up the wrong tree. 380 00:19:22,264 --> 00:19:24,163 The person you wanna look at is Bobby. 381 00:19:24,335 --> 00:19:25,578 Bobby Evans." 382 00:19:26,337 --> 00:19:27,752 And we said, "Why?" 383 00:19:27,856 --> 00:19:29,306 And he said, "Well, he was a strange guy, 384 00:19:29,409 --> 00:19:30,755 and he dumped trash on my property." 385 00:19:30,859 --> 00:19:32,826 And that's when you pretty much moved into 386 00:19:32,930 --> 00:19:34,311 the Manchester Library. 387 00:19:34,587 --> 00:19:36,451 [Scott] So, we'd look up everything we could find 388 00:19:36,554 --> 00:19:37,693 you know, about a Bob Evans. 389 00:19:37,797 --> 00:19:39,178 [Ronda] We heard he was an electrician, 390 00:19:39,281 --> 00:19:40,834 so, then we began to ask people, 391 00:19:40,938 --> 00:19:42,422 "Do you recall an electrician 392 00:19:42,526 --> 00:19:44,252 being in the area named Bob Evans? 393 00:19:44,355 --> 00:19:45,632 What was your interest, 394 00:19:45,736 --> 00:19:47,462 you know, what was your interaction with him?" 395 00:19:47,565 --> 00:19:49,395 And we did find people who knew him. 396 00:19:52,777 --> 00:19:56,954 This clearing area over here is where the Bear Brook Store was. 397 00:19:57,368 --> 00:19:58,921 Bob Evans was an electrician, 398 00:19:59,025 --> 00:20:00,613 so he helped work on the store, 399 00:20:00,716 --> 00:20:03,409 in the cooling and refrigeration part of it. 400 00:20:03,823 --> 00:20:08,103 One family's recollection is that he was living with a family 401 00:20:08,207 --> 00:20:10,761 here on the property in a pop-up camper. 402 00:20:11,175 --> 00:20:12,797 And it was around Christmastime, 403 00:20:12,901 --> 00:20:14,799 and the family felt bad that there were kids here, 404 00:20:14,903 --> 00:20:17,181 and they sent over some of their adult children 405 00:20:17,285 --> 00:20:19,045 with food for the family. 406 00:20:19,425 --> 00:20:21,875 What we don't know is whether these little girls 407 00:20:21,979 --> 00:20:23,152 were the victims. 408 00:20:23,429 --> 00:20:25,016 They're sure it was Evans, 409 00:20:25,120 --> 00:20:26,190 because they knew him, 410 00:20:26,294 --> 00:20:27,640 they worked with him at the Waumbec Mill. 411 00:20:27,743 --> 00:20:29,780 So, we know that he was on this property 412 00:20:29,883 --> 00:20:31,989 for some time, anyway. 413 00:20:32,714 --> 00:20:35,337 We just try to collect stories in case there was any clue, 414 00:20:35,441 --> 00:20:36,821 but we could never find him. 415 00:20:36,925 --> 00:20:39,134 You know, so after six months of looking into it ourselves, 416 00:20:39,238 --> 00:20:41,757 you know, we turned it over to the New Hampshire State Police. 417 00:20:42,931 --> 00:20:44,622 [Scott] They probably just thought, 418 00:20:44,726 --> 00:20:46,866 "Oh, it's another name that Ronda and Scott are giving us." 419 00:20:46,969 --> 00:20:49,282 That name didn't mean anything to anyone. 420 00:20:49,731 --> 00:20:51,388 It kinda went cold for us. 421 00:20:51,560 --> 00:20:52,872 But it, it was always, 422 00:20:52,975 --> 00:20:55,426 it, that name was always in the back of our head. 423 00:20:55,668 --> 00:21:04,677 [music] 424 00:21:04,780 --> 00:21:06,299 [Jeff] My name is Jeff Strelzin, 425 00:21:06,403 --> 00:21:07,611 I'm a senior assistant attorney general 426 00:21:07,714 --> 00:21:09,509 with the New Hampshire Attorney General's Office. 427 00:21:10,717 --> 00:21:12,029 [Rebekah] There was gonna be a press release, 428 00:21:12,132 --> 00:21:15,274 'cause, you know, there was a big break in the case. 429 00:21:16,378 --> 00:21:17,897 At my desk at work, I'm like, 430 00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:20,209 "Okay, I'm gonna need to see this press release." 431 00:21:20,313 --> 00:21:24,248 So I get, like, my phone and my headphones, I'm listening in. 432 00:21:24,352 --> 00:21:26,043 I'm like, "Okay, what's the break? 433 00:21:26,146 --> 00:21:27,458 What's the break, what's the break?" 434 00:21:27,907 --> 00:21:29,667 [Jeff] We believe we have our killer 435 00:21:29,771 --> 00:21:31,393 of the Allenstown victims. 436 00:21:31,738 --> 00:21:33,913 We're confident that Bob Evans is the person 437 00:21:34,016 --> 00:21:36,743 who killed the four victims in Allenstown. 438 00:21:37,123 --> 00:21:39,056 [Ronda] New Hampshire State Police said that 439 00:21:39,159 --> 00:21:43,336 the name Bob Evans first came up in 2014, in our research. 440 00:21:43,612 --> 00:21:45,821 It was pretty exciting. 441 00:21:47,064 --> 00:21:48,652 [Rebekah] At that time, 442 00:21:48,755 --> 00:21:52,863 I didn't know Ronda and Scott had researched Bob Evans. 443 00:21:53,346 --> 00:21:56,487 He had a beard and, like, a plaid shirt, 444 00:21:56,660 --> 00:21:59,318 and these piercing blue eyes. 445 00:21:59,697 --> 00:22:01,975 It really kinda came as a shock. 446 00:22:02,286 --> 00:22:06,014 He had many other victims besides just the victims 447 00:22:06,117 --> 00:22:08,154 that were in the barrels. 448 00:22:08,775 --> 00:22:12,469 When New Hampshire State Police had confirmed Bob Evans 449 00:22:12,572 --> 00:22:15,126 as the Bear Brook Killer, 450 00:22:15,230 --> 00:22:16,749 he had already been incarcerated 451 00:22:16,852 --> 00:22:19,821 for an unrelated murder in California. 452 00:22:20,235 --> 00:22:22,548 They uncovered that he had also 453 00:22:22,651 --> 00:22:27,000 kidnapped a baby girl from New Hampshire in 1981, 454 00:22:27,104 --> 00:22:30,452 and he had abandoned her in California. 455 00:22:31,073 --> 00:22:36,044 Even though this baby girl was not one of the victims 456 00:22:36,147 --> 00:22:38,046 in the Bear Brook barrels, 457 00:22:38,149 --> 00:22:41,808 she had disappeared not too far from Allenstown, 458 00:22:41,912 --> 00:22:44,984 where Bear Brook State Park is located. 459 00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:51,508 Once they had the connection of this perpetrator, Bob Evans, 460 00:22:51,611 --> 00:22:54,752 in the area of the Bear Brook murders, 461 00:22:55,201 --> 00:23:00,586 police tried testing the DNA of this perpetrator, Bob Evans, 462 00:23:00,689 --> 00:23:04,486 against the DNA of the victims found in the barrels. 463 00:23:04,866 --> 00:23:09,457 The DNA test showed Bob Evans as the biological father 464 00:23:09,560 --> 00:23:11,079 of the middle child. 465 00:23:16,809 --> 00:23:18,569 We believe that Bob Evans' killing finally 466 00:23:18,673 --> 00:23:21,261 came to an end in California in 2002, 467 00:23:21,365 --> 00:23:23,747 with his last victim, Eusoon Jun. 468 00:23:24,126 --> 00:23:26,784 He certainly fits the profile of a serial killer. 469 00:23:28,268 --> 00:23:30,719 [Man] Miss Jun had been murdered, dismembered, 470 00:23:30,823 --> 00:23:33,066 and was buried in the basement of her residence. 471 00:23:33,757 --> 00:23:36,622 Which I find so shocking. 472 00:23:37,174 --> 00:23:40,522 Bob Evans was caught and put in prison in California 473 00:23:40,626 --> 00:23:42,179 for his last murder 474 00:23:42,282 --> 00:23:46,183 17 years after the first Bear Brook victims were found. 475 00:23:46,286 --> 00:23:48,634 [Jeff] Evans was eventually charged with murder. 476 00:23:48,737 --> 00:23:51,533 He plead guilty in 2003. 477 00:23:52,051 --> 00:23:53,432 And in 2010, 478 00:23:53,535 --> 00:23:55,641 he died in prison of natural causes. 479 00:23:57,401 --> 00:23:59,645 [Rebekah] By the time New Hampshire State Police 480 00:23:59,748 --> 00:24:02,095 determined that Evans was the Bear Brook killer, 481 00:24:02,406 --> 00:24:04,650 he had been deceased for six years. 482 00:24:05,064 --> 00:24:07,584 DNA saved from his autopsy confirmed 483 00:24:07,687 --> 00:24:10,276 he was father of one of the victims. 484 00:24:10,759 --> 00:24:13,659 What stuck with me the most from the press release 485 00:24:13,762 --> 00:24:15,937 was that the victim, 486 00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:19,561 the little girl that no one seemed to be related to, 487 00:24:19,665 --> 00:24:21,805 was Bob Evans' daughter. 488 00:24:25,084 --> 00:24:28,432 For some reason, I envisioned her with, like, little pigtails, 489 00:24:28,812 --> 00:24:31,918 holding her dad's hand and walking through the woods. 490 00:24:32,229 --> 00:24:34,093 She was, like, three years old. 491 00:24:34,196 --> 00:24:36,716 Just like such a tiny little innocent baby. 492 00:24:36,820 --> 00:24:38,753 Like, what the hell? 493 00:24:38,925 --> 00:24:41,341 She had no idea that when... 494 00:24:41,894 --> 00:24:44,931 she was in a car ride with him, drivin' up here, 495 00:24:45,035 --> 00:24:46,968 that that was gonna be the last location 496 00:24:47,071 --> 00:24:48,417 she ever visited. 497 00:24:48,590 --> 00:24:55,390 [music] 498 00:24:55,494 --> 00:24:57,979 [Rebekah] Now we have a suspect named, 499 00:24:58,082 --> 00:25:00,706 and the victims are still unidentified. 500 00:25:01,051 --> 00:25:04,364 When, in general, you have the victims identified, 501 00:25:04,468 --> 00:25:06,505 and then that's how you find the suspect. 502 00:25:06,608 --> 00:25:08,645 It was the opposite in this case. 503 00:25:11,302 --> 00:25:13,304 This just opened a whole plethora 504 00:25:13,408 --> 00:25:14,892 of opportunities. 505 00:25:17,308 --> 00:25:18,689 And with this information, 506 00:25:18,793 --> 00:25:20,726 I can start tracking his locations, 507 00:25:21,071 --> 00:25:24,315 searching for the identities of the victims. 508 00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:27,249 And at that point, 509 00:25:27,353 --> 00:25:30,252 I assumed that the adult female with her two children 510 00:25:30,356 --> 00:25:32,082 could've been living in the same property 511 00:25:32,185 --> 00:25:36,086 with Bob Evans and Evans' daughter. 512 00:25:39,123 --> 00:25:42,506 So, they don't really know a lot about Bob Evans' locations. 513 00:25:43,058 --> 00:25:46,061 Knew he had one specific address that links to him. 514 00:25:48,201 --> 00:25:49,789 It's the known address. 515 00:25:49,893 --> 00:25:51,550 No one else is listed with him. 516 00:25:51,653 --> 00:25:53,862 Although he claimed to have a wife 517 00:25:53,966 --> 00:25:56,175 that resided at that residence, as well. 518 00:25:56,278 --> 00:26:05,494 [music] 519 00:26:05,598 --> 00:26:07,704 925, right in the back. 520 00:26:08,946 --> 00:26:10,845 The girls would've lived there, too. 521 00:26:11,155 --> 00:26:13,813 The neighbors that used to live there within those years 522 00:26:13,917 --> 00:26:17,368 did not recognize his photo at all. 523 00:26:17,472 --> 00:26:20,924 I would imagine someone would remember three little girls. 524 00:26:21,027 --> 00:26:32,936 [music] 525 00:26:37,975 --> 00:26:41,116 [Rebekah] Ronda, Scott, and I came here 526 00:26:41,358 --> 00:26:43,912 to visit Bob Evans' office. 527 00:26:44,395 --> 00:26:47,778 He was hired to work here to... 528 00:26:48,365 --> 00:26:52,749 manage the team that essentially broke the factory down. 529 00:26:53,508 --> 00:26:59,479 They would fill oil drums or barrels and dump 'em. 530 00:26:59,928 --> 00:27:01,585 And one of the places that they would dump them 531 00:27:01,689 --> 00:27:04,623 was at Bear Brook State Park, 532 00:27:04,726 --> 00:27:06,314 where the barrels were found. 533 00:27:09,213 --> 00:27:14,149 Logically, they were here at some point in this town. 534 00:27:14,563 --> 00:27:16,082 So, when I come here, 535 00:27:16,186 --> 00:27:20,328 it's hard not to feel like you're reliving the moment 536 00:27:20,431 --> 00:27:22,019 when the girls were here. 537 00:27:26,023 --> 00:27:28,819 Unfortunately, even contacting 538 00:27:28,923 --> 00:27:31,408 neighbors in the surrounding areas, 539 00:27:31,926 --> 00:27:34,722 employees that worked at Waumbec when he worked there, 540 00:27:34,825 --> 00:27:37,138 nobody seems to know anything about his life. 541 00:27:38,484 --> 00:27:41,004 When working at Waumbec Mills, 542 00:27:41,107 --> 00:27:44,697 there was one room that he left locked all the time, 543 00:27:44,801 --> 00:27:46,975 that wouldn't allow anyone to go into. 544 00:27:47,286 --> 00:27:49,115 What was in that room? 545 00:27:49,219 --> 00:27:52,809 Could he have been holding the barrels there? 546 00:27:53,706 --> 00:27:55,294 I found myself questioning, 547 00:27:55,397 --> 00:27:59,091 "What, what other angle can you possibly look at?" 548 00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:03,785 Disappointment once again. 549 00:28:04,337 --> 00:28:07,686 These little girls and their mother 550 00:28:07,996 --> 00:28:10,102 were just nameless. 551 00:28:12,691 --> 00:28:16,453 I don't know, at this point it just seems like I was... 552 00:28:17,937 --> 00:28:20,699 just hittin' dead end after dead end after dead end. 553 00:28:21,147 --> 00:28:27,498 [music] 554 00:28:31,054 --> 00:28:36,715 [music] 555 00:28:36,818 --> 00:28:42,410 I have not seen my family in a number of years. 556 00:28:43,135 --> 00:28:47,035 Once you leave one of these religious communities 557 00:28:47,139 --> 00:28:48,830 like I was raised in, 558 00:28:49,072 --> 00:28:51,522 you're just ostracized. 559 00:28:52,316 --> 00:28:54,767 Each person told me, if I leave, "You're gonna die. 560 00:28:54,871 --> 00:28:57,080 You're goin' to Hell. You're never gonna make it." 561 00:28:57,183 --> 00:29:04,466 [music] 562 00:29:04,570 --> 00:29:07,538 [Rebekah] I guess, if anything, it made me... 563 00:29:07,642 --> 00:29:11,301 push and dig even further. 564 00:29:13,544 --> 00:29:16,893 I have been looking for the victims about seven months. 565 00:29:16,996 --> 00:29:19,619 Then, there's an update in the case. 566 00:29:19,827 --> 00:29:24,210 [music] 567 00:29:24,314 --> 00:29:26,661 The man known in New Hampshire as Bob Evans, 568 00:29:26,765 --> 00:29:29,940 that man's real name was Terry Rasmussen. 569 00:29:30,838 --> 00:29:35,359 [Rebekah] Now the suspect who they believed to be Bob Evans 570 00:29:35,463 --> 00:29:38,052 is actually just an alias. 571 00:29:38,155 --> 00:29:42,470 His true name is Terry Peter Rasmussen. 572 00:29:43,195 --> 00:29:45,887 [Ronda] Law enforcement used DNA from his autopsy, 573 00:29:46,474 --> 00:29:47,993 and was able to build a family tree 574 00:29:48,096 --> 00:29:49,339 and figure out who he was, 575 00:29:49,442 --> 00:29:51,651 and confirmed it with DNA from his son. 576 00:29:51,893 --> 00:29:53,861 The identification of Terry Rasmussen 577 00:29:53,964 --> 00:29:56,449 was the first time a killer had been identified 578 00:29:56,553 --> 00:29:58,382 using genetic genealogy. 579 00:29:58,486 --> 00:30:01,800 [music] 580 00:30:01,903 --> 00:30:03,663 [Rebekah] So now, with this information, 581 00:30:03,767 --> 00:30:06,045 I know his true identity. 582 00:30:06,494 --> 00:30:09,911 There's so many things attached to your actual birth name 583 00:30:10,015 --> 00:30:12,051 within public records. 584 00:30:12,327 --> 00:30:15,744 Terry Rasmussen, that's not a common name. 585 00:30:16,193 --> 00:30:18,955 So, you don't get as many hits as you do 586 00:30:19,058 --> 00:30:20,957 when you're searching for "Bob Evans," 587 00:30:21,060 --> 00:30:22,924 because let me tell you, that's... 588 00:30:23,166 --> 00:30:25,133 that's an endless search. 589 00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:28,688 So, at least it was narrowed down quite a bit more. 590 00:30:28,792 --> 00:30:32,313 [music] 591 00:30:32,416 --> 00:30:35,247 [Rebekah] Terry Rasmussen actually was previously married, 592 00:30:35,350 --> 00:30:37,732 and he had four living children. 593 00:30:37,939 --> 00:30:39,734 Which really poses the question, 594 00:30:39,838 --> 00:30:42,599 was he leading two lives? 595 00:30:42,979 --> 00:30:45,222 He's got this biological daughter 596 00:30:45,326 --> 00:30:50,503 that we've assumed he killed and placed in a barrel. 597 00:30:51,159 --> 00:30:54,059 I started searching anything related to Rasmussen 598 00:30:54,162 --> 00:30:57,200 that might lead to the identity of the victims. 599 00:30:57,303 --> 00:31:02,136 [music] 600 00:31:03,551 --> 00:31:07,348 [music] 601 00:31:07,451 --> 00:31:10,661 [Rebekah] It had been a year since the press release. 602 00:31:10,938 --> 00:31:13,216 There was a podcast coming out 603 00:31:13,319 --> 00:31:16,667 that was going to focus on the Bear Brook murders. 604 00:31:17,703 --> 00:31:19,636 [Jason] This is Bear Brook. 605 00:31:20,602 --> 00:31:22,363 I'm Jason Moon. 606 00:31:22,466 --> 00:31:26,746 I immediately started listening to it, trying to just... 607 00:31:27,126 --> 00:31:29,094 grasp at any more additional information 608 00:31:29,197 --> 00:31:32,614 that perhaps I didn't know about the case at this point. 609 00:31:33,339 --> 00:31:35,652 This story grabbed the attention of more people. 610 00:31:35,755 --> 00:31:41,244 It showed the magnitude that this case really is. 611 00:31:41,623 --> 00:31:44,903 When I was listening to the third or fourth episode, 612 00:31:45,006 --> 00:31:47,008 that's when everything clicked. 613 00:31:47,112 --> 00:31:49,459 [Jason] The release of the isotope testing results 614 00:31:49,562 --> 00:31:50,667 was, in some ways, 615 00:31:50,770 --> 00:31:53,325 the final Hail Mary in the Bear Brook case. 616 00:31:53,428 --> 00:31:55,568 [Rebekah] This specific episode 617 00:31:55,672 --> 00:31:57,916 focused on isotope testing 618 00:31:58,019 --> 00:31:59,952 that was conducted on the victims. 619 00:32:00,401 --> 00:32:03,093 [Jason] Living things carry an imprint of their environment, 620 00:32:03,197 --> 00:32:05,095 recorded in isotopes. 621 00:32:05,371 --> 00:32:06,821 It's like your body is coding 622 00:32:06,925 --> 00:32:11,032 everything that you've ingested over time. 623 00:32:11,136 --> 00:32:13,103 [Jason] Radio isotope testing. 624 00:32:13,207 --> 00:32:15,519 The bones, teeth, and hair of the victims 625 00:32:15,623 --> 00:32:18,281 can offer one of the first real clues 626 00:32:18,384 --> 00:32:21,215 about where the Bear Brook victims came from. 627 00:32:21,594 --> 00:32:23,838 [Rebekah] They did tell with the adult female 628 00:32:23,942 --> 00:32:25,874 that she was possibly from California 629 00:32:25,978 --> 00:32:27,566 or surrounding states. 630 00:32:27,669 --> 00:32:29,395 [Jason] The map for the related victims 631 00:32:29,499 --> 00:32:31,708 includes parts of the West Coast. 632 00:32:34,090 --> 00:32:35,815 [Rebekah] As soon as I heard that, 633 00:32:35,919 --> 00:32:38,818 I remembered that one specific post 634 00:32:38,922 --> 00:32:41,028 on Ancestry message board. 635 00:32:41,994 --> 00:32:44,859 That Ancestry post from 1999 636 00:32:45,135 --> 00:32:48,380 was Sarah McWaters' family looking for her. 637 00:32:50,037 --> 00:32:52,832 A child born in 1977, 638 00:32:53,178 --> 00:32:56,215 who disappeared in California. 639 00:32:56,491 --> 00:32:59,356 And I'm like, "Pause the podcast. 640 00:32:59,460 --> 00:33:02,118 Rewind it back and listen to it over again." 641 00:33:02,221 --> 00:33:04,120 [Jason] Parts of the West Coast. 642 00:33:04,223 --> 00:33:06,260 And as I'm listening, I'm like, 643 00:33:08,538 --> 00:33:10,678 "I don't know. I really think..." 644 00:33:12,887 --> 00:33:15,441 "I really think that could be them." 645 00:33:16,132 --> 00:33:19,273 Sarah McWaters could be one of the victims. 646 00:33:20,377 --> 00:33:23,139 She could've been one of the two daughters 647 00:33:23,380 --> 00:33:26,970 that were related to the adult female. 648 00:33:27,522 --> 00:33:31,940 I'm gonna contact that woman who posted in 1999. 649 00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:34,736 I'm contacting her because I know that this is them. 650 00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:36,980 This is them. There's no way it's not them. 651 00:33:37,291 --> 00:33:40,294 Everything matches. There's, there's just no way. 652 00:33:41,433 --> 00:33:44,332 I'm like, "Alright, how am I gonna contact her?" 653 00:33:44,574 --> 00:33:46,817 I'm like, "That's probably a broken email address. 654 00:33:46,921 --> 00:33:48,302 It's from 1999." 655 00:33:49,268 --> 00:33:51,270 "I'm gonna find her on Facebook." 656 00:33:52,892 --> 00:33:56,137 So, I'm like, lookin' through, and I find the person's name. 657 00:33:56,379 --> 00:33:59,175 I'm like, "Alright... Hey... 658 00:34:00,383 --> 00:34:04,766 just wondering, are you the same person that posted 659 00:34:04,870 --> 00:34:08,149 an Ancestry message board post from 1999, 660 00:34:08,253 --> 00:34:10,496 looking for Sarah McWaters?" 661 00:34:10,876 --> 00:34:13,810 I'm like, "This woman is gonna think I'm a complete loon." 662 00:34:15,156 --> 00:34:16,882 You know, what can I lose? 663 00:34:17,365 --> 00:34:21,473 And, say, within seven minutes, she responds back. 664 00:34:23,233 --> 00:34:26,029 "Yeah, it is. It's me. 665 00:34:26,133 --> 00:34:28,307 You've got my heart pounding." 666 00:34:28,411 --> 00:34:31,862 "Oh, okay, I'm just wondering if I could help you find her." 667 00:34:31,966 --> 00:34:37,178 And she starts just giving me, like, little tidbits on Marlyse. 668 00:34:37,661 --> 00:34:42,839 Marlyse had two daughters: Sarah McWaters and Marie Vaughn. 669 00:34:44,427 --> 00:34:47,982 She goes, "Oh, yeah, and by the way... 670 00:34:48,603 --> 00:34:51,019 We believe that she ran off with a guy, 671 00:34:51,123 --> 00:34:52,676 and his name was Rasmussen." 672 00:34:52,780 --> 00:34:54,230 And I'm like... 673 00:34:54,885 --> 00:34:56,301 "Oh my God, oh my God." 674 00:34:56,404 --> 00:34:58,579 I my hands started, like, shaking uncontrollably, 675 00:34:58,682 --> 00:35:00,546 I'm like, "Oh my God, oh my God, oh my God." 676 00:35:00,650 --> 00:35:01,823 I'm like, trying to type, I'm like, 677 00:35:01,927 --> 00:35:04,378 "Oh my God, it's really them, it's really them. 678 00:35:04,481 --> 00:35:05,482 It's them, it's them, it's them." 679 00:35:08,623 --> 00:35:13,490 [music] 680 00:35:13,594 --> 00:35:16,286 [Rebekah] It was so shocking. 681 00:35:16,390 --> 00:35:19,531 I could not believe that I had found out 682 00:35:19,634 --> 00:35:22,258 the identification of the victims. 683 00:35:22,534 --> 00:35:25,192 And now I'm trying to process, like, 684 00:35:25,295 --> 00:35:27,608 "Oh my God, they, they're gonna be identified. 685 00:35:27,711 --> 00:35:30,128 They're gonna be identified. It's, it's them." 686 00:35:33,269 --> 00:35:34,718 So, the next day, 687 00:35:34,822 --> 00:35:37,583 I contacted Detective Headley in California. 688 00:35:37,687 --> 00:35:42,209 I'm like, "I think I have a credible tip. 689 00:35:42,726 --> 00:35:47,628 There's two girls: Sarah McWaters and Marie Vaughn. 690 00:35:47,731 --> 00:35:50,734 They were half-sisters missing with their mother, 691 00:35:50,838 --> 00:35:54,152 Marlyse Honeychurch, in California." 692 00:35:54,704 --> 00:35:58,190 I'm like, "I'm sure you get this all the time, 693 00:35:58,501 --> 00:36:00,917 but I really, really, really, really, really, really believe 694 00:36:01,020 --> 00:36:04,886 that this is the victims of Bear Brook murders. 695 00:36:05,404 --> 00:36:07,613 Marlyse Honeychurch had disappeared with 696 00:36:07,717 --> 00:36:09,719 a guy with the last name Rasmussen." 697 00:36:12,066 --> 00:36:15,587 And they're like, "So, what's your relation to this case?" 698 00:36:16,622 --> 00:36:17,865 I'm like... 699 00:36:19,315 --> 00:36:23,457 "Just a hobby, I look into these cases." 700 00:36:23,836 --> 00:36:25,769 And I think he was a little skeptical at first, 701 00:36:25,873 --> 00:36:29,187 but then slowly warmed up to the idea that 702 00:36:29,290 --> 00:36:32,949 a member of the public could offer a tip. 703 00:36:36,159 --> 00:36:37,540 The next day, 704 00:36:37,643 --> 00:36:39,783 Sarah McWaters' family was up in New Hampshire 705 00:36:39,887 --> 00:36:42,717 getting their DNA test against the victims'. 706 00:36:44,754 --> 00:36:47,929 After the family members had their DNA tested, 707 00:36:48,033 --> 00:36:50,069 we waited and waited and waited 708 00:36:50,173 --> 00:36:51,899 for what seemed like forever. 709 00:36:52,002 --> 00:36:54,246 [indistinct], come on. Come. 710 00:36:54,729 --> 00:36:57,594 Marlyse's family had mixed feelings. 711 00:36:57,732 --> 00:37:01,426 They believed that it likely was her, 712 00:37:01,736 --> 00:37:04,049 and that it was the children. 713 00:37:04,256 --> 00:37:05,533 But at the same time, 714 00:37:05,637 --> 00:37:08,847 they were still hoping it wasn't her. 715 00:37:09,192 --> 00:37:11,505 They were hoping that, you know, she had just moved on 716 00:37:11,608 --> 00:37:14,508 and was living a fulfilled life. 717 00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:23,827 [music] 718 00:37:23,931 --> 00:37:25,933 [Ronda] When I heard that she found the families, 719 00:37:26,036 --> 00:37:28,246 of course, Scott and I were dying to know, 720 00:37:28,349 --> 00:37:29,661 you know, what she had learned. 721 00:37:29,764 --> 00:37:31,490 But I didn't wanna just be obnoxious. 722 00:37:31,594 --> 00:37:33,147 And, and I knew that maybe 723 00:37:33,251 --> 00:37:35,460 she wouldn't wanna say anything publicly 724 00:37:35,563 --> 00:37:37,013 until she found out more. 725 00:37:37,116 --> 00:37:39,809 So, it was just kind of a waiting game on our end, too. 726 00:37:43,226 --> 00:37:44,434 [Rebekah] Seven months later, 727 00:37:44,538 --> 00:37:47,195 there was a press release identifying 728 00:37:47,437 --> 00:37:49,267 three of the victims. 729 00:37:49,784 --> 00:37:52,028 [Jeff] After long, hard work by many people, 730 00:37:53,271 --> 00:37:56,860 we've identified three of the Allenstown murder victims. 731 00:37:57,344 --> 00:37:58,793 The mother has been identified 732 00:37:58,897 --> 00:38:01,279 as Marlyse Elizabeth Honeychurch. 733 00:38:02,210 --> 00:38:04,247 This is Marlyse's oldest daughter, 734 00:38:04,351 --> 00:38:06,525 Marie Elizabeth Vaughn. 735 00:38:07,768 --> 00:38:10,736 This is Sarah Lynn McWaters. 736 00:38:11,185 --> 00:38:13,118 The youngest murder victim. 737 00:38:13,221 --> 00:38:17,778 [music] 738 00:38:17,881 --> 00:38:19,642 [Scott] You know, you started to learn a little bit about 739 00:38:19,745 --> 00:38:21,264 these people that you've been tryin' to identify 740 00:38:21,368 --> 00:38:22,783 for all those years, 741 00:38:22,886 --> 00:38:24,957 and, and now they had faces, they had names, 742 00:38:25,061 --> 00:38:26,269 they had families, and... 743 00:38:26,373 --> 00:38:27,995 and that's when it... 744 00:38:28,098 --> 00:38:29,790 I think there was a lot of... 745 00:38:32,240 --> 00:38:34,312 sadness, at that point. 746 00:38:34,829 --> 00:38:37,004 They had kind of become our family, 747 00:38:37,453 --> 00:38:39,834 because nobody else was advocating for them. 748 00:38:39,938 --> 00:38:42,941 And, you know, I kinda took 'em on as, I guess, as our family, 749 00:38:43,044 --> 00:38:44,977 and I didn't realize that until afterwards. 750 00:38:46,979 --> 00:38:49,430 Unfortunately, there's always gonna be questions 751 00:38:49,741 --> 00:38:51,259 that we will never get the answers to, 752 00:38:51,363 --> 00:38:52,847 and I think that's always gonna haunt us. 753 00:38:52,951 --> 00:38:56,368 I know there was years that nobody knows where he was, 754 00:38:56,472 --> 00:38:58,681 and most likely, there are more victims. 755 00:39:01,649 --> 00:39:03,686 Yes, Ronda and I went to the funeral, 756 00:39:03,789 --> 00:39:08,587 and we got a chance to meet Marlyse's siblings. 757 00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:14,386 [music] 758 00:39:14,490 --> 00:39:17,389 We, as a family, would like to thank the community. 759 00:39:17,631 --> 00:39:19,667 Although this moment is bittersweet, 760 00:39:19,771 --> 00:39:22,049 they have their names back on this day. 761 00:39:22,152 --> 00:39:23,361 They can rest in peace. 762 00:39:23,464 --> 00:39:30,816 [music] 763 00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:32,508 [Scott] I believe it's just a matter of time 764 00:39:32,611 --> 00:39:34,406 before Rasmussen's biological daughter 765 00:39:34,510 --> 00:39:36,374 is fully identified. 766 00:39:37,098 --> 00:39:38,859 [Ronda] There is also a picture of a birthday party 767 00:39:38,962 --> 00:39:42,449 that Rasmussen's daughter may have attended. 768 00:39:42,794 --> 00:39:45,279 If the right person saw the picture and came forward, 769 00:39:45,383 --> 00:39:48,075 then perhaps she could get identified. 770 00:39:49,939 --> 00:39:52,044 Really, it's an appeal to the public. 771 00:39:53,218 --> 00:39:55,738 If her composite looks familiar, 772 00:39:55,841 --> 00:39:59,397 or if the circumstances of her life seem familiar, 773 00:39:59,880 --> 00:40:03,021 it would be really helpful if the public could submit tips 774 00:40:03,435 --> 00:40:05,161 about who she might be. 775 00:40:05,368 --> 00:40:16,759 [music] 776 00:40:17,932 --> 00:40:29,841 [music] 777 00:40:34,121 --> 00:40:36,710 [Rebekah] The case kinda solidifies for me 778 00:40:36,813 --> 00:40:39,471 that I truly made right decisions 779 00:40:39,575 --> 00:40:42,370 when I left the community I was raised in. 780 00:40:42,474 --> 00:40:47,134 Because I felt that there was, I was meant to do more in life. 781 00:40:47,824 --> 00:40:53,243 And as I was trying to, to find the identities of these victims 782 00:40:53,347 --> 00:40:54,935 and these girls, 783 00:40:55,211 --> 00:40:58,525 I truly found my own identity. 784 00:40:59,180 --> 00:41:03,806 And that was something that was just so unexpected. 785 00:41:04,047 --> 00:41:12,642 [music] 786 00:41:12,746 --> 00:41:14,817 [Rebekah] I am still working on this case. 787 00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:18,717 The last middle child is still unidentified, 788 00:41:18,890 --> 00:41:21,755 and I cannot let her go. 789 00:41:21,858 --> 00:41:31,696 [music] 790 00:41:52,648 --> 00:42:01,070 [music] 791 00:42:01,484 --> 00:42:03,831 [Rebekah] She deserves her own name. 792 00:42:03,935 --> 00:42:06,454 She deserves to have her own identity, 793 00:42:06,765 --> 00:42:10,458 rather than "the daughter of a serial killer". 794 00:42:11,011 --> 00:42:15,774 And I will continue that search until they find out who she is. 795 00:42:15,878 --> 00:42:21,055 [music] 796 00:42:25,197 --> 00:42:37,106 [music] 797 00:42:54,848 --> 00:42:59,093 The officers seen it only as an accident, and that was it. 798 00:42:59,197 --> 00:43:00,854 On the next episode of 799 00:43:00,957 --> 00:43:03,408 "True Crime Story: Citizen Detective"... 800 00:43:03,511 --> 00:43:05,479 Woman: How did he hit his head twice, 801 00:43:05,583 --> 00:43:07,964 falling off the bicycle one time? 802 00:43:08,068 --> 00:43:10,173 Woman We had to connect the dots. 803 00:43:10,277 --> 00:43:12,935 Did I do things that put my life in danger? 804 00:43:13,038 --> 00:43:14,730 Yes. 805 00:43:14,833 --> 00:43:17,215 I needed to know what happened to my son. 806 00:43:17,318 --> 00:43:21,081 "True Crime Story: Citizen Detective." 807 00:43:21,184 --> 00:43:24,118 ♪