1 00:00:10,480 --> 00:00:12,040 This thing is a collector. 2 00:00:12,700 --> 00:00:15,780 It wants the person dead so it can get the bones. 3 00:00:16,640 --> 00:00:19,440 It's like a hand that goes around your neck and pushes. 4 00:00:20,220 --> 00:00:21,820 I want that son of a bitch gone. 5 00:00:22,120 --> 00:00:23,120 I want it gone. 6 00:00:24,640 --> 00:00:28,720 It's starting to evolve into a type of poltergeist haunting. 7 00:00:30,840 --> 00:00:33,080 It was like a scene from a horror movie. 8 00:00:33,380 --> 00:00:38,400 The emotion is one of utter, utter hate. 9 00:00:39,050 --> 00:00:40,470 I knew it wanted to kill me. I knew that. 10 00:00:41,310 --> 00:00:43,770 His intentions are very violent. 11 00:00:45,130 --> 00:00:47,130 Ooh, the dark is getting darker. 12 00:00:47,590 --> 00:00:49,030 My name is Amy Allen. 13 00:00:49,750 --> 00:00:50,990 I see dead people. 14 00:00:51,250 --> 00:00:52,770 There is a skinwalker here. 15 00:00:53,330 --> 00:00:55,190 I seek the dead people. 16 00:00:55,510 --> 00:00:56,890 And they seek to me. 17 00:00:57,630 --> 00:00:59,370 He wants to collect the women. 18 00:00:59,670 --> 00:01:02,610 But there's only one way to know if my findings are real. 19 00:01:03,170 --> 00:01:06,310 They're sucking the life out of these people. 20 00:01:07,160 --> 00:01:08,400 I rely on my partner. 21 00:01:08,640 --> 00:01:11,880 I'm Steve DeShop. I'm a retired New York City homicide detective. 22 00:01:12,240 --> 00:01:13,960 This is the kind of case that would have haunted me. 23 00:01:14,160 --> 00:01:17,920 And I know every person, every house has secrets. 24 00:01:18,240 --> 00:01:22,760 It's my job to reveal them. But Steve and I never speak. We never communicate 25 00:01:22,760 --> 00:01:23,760 during an investigation. 26 00:01:24,020 --> 00:01:25,280 Until the very end. 27 00:01:25,740 --> 00:01:26,740 Is that what I think it is? 28 00:01:26,920 --> 00:01:30,860 Yes. When we uncover if it's safe for you to stay. I told you he was trying to 29 00:01:30,860 --> 00:01:31,860 kill me. 30 00:01:32,260 --> 00:01:36,500 We're time to get out. You have a dead person inside you. 31 00:01:51,120 --> 00:01:54,640 I'm here in Discovery Bay, California. It's about 60 miles east of San 32 00:01:54,640 --> 00:01:55,640 Francisco. 33 00:01:56,660 --> 00:01:58,880 I got a call from a couple, Heather and Jonathan. 34 00:01:59,080 --> 00:02:02,780 Now, a few years back, they moved into a new house and things went south 35 00:02:02,780 --> 00:02:06,080 immediately. It sounds like a really horrible situation. 36 00:02:06,280 --> 00:02:07,280 I'm hoping we can help. 37 00:02:20,520 --> 00:02:23,460 The people here are suffering from depression. 38 00:02:26,020 --> 00:02:32,640 One of the living people here is way more invested in stopping 39 00:02:32,640 --> 00:02:34,180 this activity. 40 00:02:34,600 --> 00:02:40,460 But there's another living person here who has abilities. This woman is really 41 00:02:40,460 --> 00:02:43,640 not wanting it to stop. 42 00:02:49,680 --> 00:02:51,880 She likes the drama and she likes the attention. 43 00:02:52,360 --> 00:02:57,260 She pretty much wants the energy, this negativity that's coming in. 44 00:03:03,200 --> 00:03:06,580 All right, so Heather, the neighborhood is beautiful. This is a gorgeous house, 45 00:03:06,740 --> 00:03:10,600 but I guess looks can be deceiving, right? I mean, what's it like living in 46 00:03:10,600 --> 00:03:12,880 house? It's horrible. It's a nightmare. 47 00:03:13,260 --> 00:03:14,260 You can't relax. 48 00:03:14,800 --> 00:03:17,260 All right, Heather, let's start with basics. Who lives in the house? 49 00:03:18,380 --> 00:03:21,600 All right, what do we got here? Okay, we have my son, Bailey. He just turned 21. 50 00:03:21,720 --> 00:03:22,800 And then, of course, myself. 51 00:03:23,040 --> 00:03:24,940 And then our daughter, Michaela. She's 14. 52 00:03:25,700 --> 00:03:26,800 And then my husband, Jonathan. 53 00:03:27,060 --> 00:03:28,500 It's a beautiful family. Thank you. 54 00:03:28,980 --> 00:03:32,160 Do me a favor and give me a list of what's going on in the house. 55 00:03:32,720 --> 00:03:34,400 Things move in the house. 56 00:03:35,200 --> 00:03:40,480 There's shadows, nightmares, and then the physical attacks. 57 00:03:41,200 --> 00:03:44,000 Now, I remember when we spoke on the phone, you said something about the 58 00:03:44,000 --> 00:03:45,000 killed your dad. 59 00:03:45,280 --> 00:03:47,240 Yeah. What's going on with that? 60 00:03:47,720 --> 00:03:49,200 My father used to own this house. 61 00:03:49,720 --> 00:03:54,580 The minute he purchased this home, he got sick, very sick. 62 00:03:54,880 --> 00:03:57,380 What was his illness, if you don't mind me asking? 63 00:03:57,620 --> 00:04:01,920 Lung cancer, but they still aren't 100 % sure. Okay, and how old was he when he 64 00:04:01,920 --> 00:04:02,920 passed? 67. 65 00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:07,000 It's far from me. 66 00:04:07,660 --> 00:04:08,660 Okay. 67 00:04:10,060 --> 00:04:13,280 So now, when your father was alive, did he have experiences here? 68 00:04:13,500 --> 00:04:14,500 Yes, he did. 69 00:04:14,680 --> 00:04:15,740 He moved in here. 70 00:04:16,490 --> 00:04:19,290 And within a couple months, he said, there's something here. 71 00:04:20,170 --> 00:04:23,210 So on the phone, you also told me you thought your son Bailey's in danger. 72 00:04:23,490 --> 00:04:24,490 Why do you believe that? 73 00:04:25,050 --> 00:04:28,150 We moved in here, and he got sick. 74 00:04:28,670 --> 00:04:30,170 They say, oh, we think. 75 00:04:30,710 --> 00:04:33,630 We're not 100%, but we think it might be MS. 76 00:04:34,230 --> 00:04:36,790 And he's getting hard treatment. He's getting chemo. 77 00:04:37,170 --> 00:04:38,970 That's got to be really hard on you as a mom. 78 00:04:39,230 --> 00:04:42,790 Seeing him take chemo is probably the worst thing I've ever seen. 79 00:04:44,030 --> 00:04:45,030 How's he doing emotionally? 80 00:04:45,520 --> 00:04:47,060 He did have a bout with depression. 81 00:04:47,340 --> 00:04:49,160 We've never argued before, ever. 82 00:04:49,440 --> 00:04:54,920 Okay. And we've had three very heated arguments here that broke my heart. 83 00:04:55,300 --> 00:04:59,460 Okay, so it's totally not his personality. No, not at all. 84 00:04:59,740 --> 00:05:02,640 This has got to be pretty stressful for you guys. How's the family holding up? 85 00:05:02,880 --> 00:05:04,740 Jonathan and I, my husband, we fought. 86 00:05:05,500 --> 00:05:06,880 God -awful anger. 87 00:05:08,080 --> 00:05:10,960 What's your thoughts on what's going on here? What do you think it is? 88 00:05:12,160 --> 00:05:13,640 Death, it's even told me that. 89 00:05:16,310 --> 00:05:21,570 Okay. I feel like trauma from living people, like just fighting. 90 00:05:22,250 --> 00:05:25,150 There are bad living dynamics here. 91 00:05:26,170 --> 00:05:28,970 Feeling the chills, like, for no reason. 92 00:05:29,630 --> 00:05:30,750 That's not good. 93 00:05:31,430 --> 00:05:33,990 There's a vortex right here. 94 00:05:34,730 --> 00:05:36,130 This is happening. 95 00:05:38,210 --> 00:05:40,070 There's a lot of movement here. 96 00:05:42,760 --> 00:05:45,880 Okay, it's being created by a living person. 97 00:05:46,340 --> 00:05:48,140 I think it's the woman with ability. 98 00:05:48,600 --> 00:05:50,780 It's growing. It's getting bigger. 99 00:05:51,200 --> 00:05:54,980 It's just opening a doorway to anything and everything. 100 00:05:58,020 --> 00:06:00,200 All right, so there's basically a path. 101 00:06:01,200 --> 00:06:05,140 This path was already here, but pretty small. 102 00:06:05,700 --> 00:06:10,460 So this woman, I think, is bringing more of this in. 103 00:06:10,990 --> 00:06:16,750 and has been bringing it in, building it up, inviting, being inviting, you know. 104 00:06:17,130 --> 00:06:18,130 Guys. 105 00:06:21,910 --> 00:06:23,090 So what's going on in here? 106 00:06:23,930 --> 00:06:25,390 I hear crashing sounds. 107 00:06:25,750 --> 00:06:29,230 Like what? I mean, what's it sound like to you? It's loud. It's like dishes, 108 00:06:29,450 --> 00:06:31,530 glass, maybe coffee mug. 109 00:06:32,030 --> 00:06:34,350 Do you have any evidence at all that something broke? 110 00:06:34,790 --> 00:06:36,670 I'll even open the cabinets to look inside. 111 00:06:37,170 --> 00:06:38,290 Nothing? Nothing. 112 00:06:39,350 --> 00:06:41,750 Okay, so you're hearing the crashing noises. Anything else? 113 00:06:41,970 --> 00:06:46,450 The front door has a digital lock. Okay. And you will hear it as this ding sound 114 00:06:46,450 --> 00:06:47,690 opens and closes. 115 00:06:48,670 --> 00:06:51,550 And we hear it all the time, but when we go and check, there's nobody there. 116 00:06:51,810 --> 00:06:55,770 All right, now, I have the same type of locks at home. Sometimes when the 117 00:06:55,770 --> 00:06:57,970 battery's starting to go, it makes that noise. 118 00:06:58,670 --> 00:07:02,010 We thought of that. We've changed the batteries. It still does it. Okay. 119 00:07:03,710 --> 00:07:06,690 I think another person lives here who has PK abilities. 120 00:07:09,230 --> 00:07:12,610 So they're possibly too sensitive in the house. 121 00:07:13,550 --> 00:07:17,430 So they're like, oh, okay, I'm going to take this out right now, right? 122 00:07:17,650 --> 00:07:19,250 And then they're like this, right? 123 00:07:19,730 --> 00:07:25,270 And then they're, like, doing it over here. And then they turn around, and 124 00:07:25,270 --> 00:07:30,250 open. So they're like, well, I thought I closed that, but it's open. 125 00:07:31,010 --> 00:07:35,570 And so they're starting to be, like, weirded out by this. And, in fact, it is 126 00:07:35,570 --> 00:07:37,270 some kind of PK. 127 00:07:42,570 --> 00:07:47,130 And now it's starting to evolve into a type of poltergeist haunting. 128 00:07:53,010 --> 00:07:54,330 Okay, so what's going on in here? 129 00:07:54,770 --> 00:07:56,770 I get this sense of being watched. 130 00:07:57,430 --> 00:08:00,730 Describe it. Is it like you're peeping Tom, somebody's about to rob you? 131 00:08:01,410 --> 00:08:05,030 It's to the point where I don't even want to get out of bed to go get water 132 00:08:05,030 --> 00:08:09,590 go use the restroom. I feel like it's in the corner just ominously just staring. 133 00:08:10,040 --> 00:08:11,620 All right, so the feeling of being watched. What else? 134 00:08:11,880 --> 00:08:16,500 There's a very tall, dark, thick, black shadow. 135 00:08:16,880 --> 00:08:20,040 First showed itself to me two days before my father passed away. 136 00:08:20,440 --> 00:08:21,780 Give me a description of this thing. 137 00:08:22,060 --> 00:08:24,980 It has like an Amish -style hat. 138 00:08:25,360 --> 00:08:28,340 Can you make out any facial features? No. I think he's sneaky. 139 00:08:28,580 --> 00:08:33,159 I think he's conniving. I think he's figuring out what he's going to do next. 140 00:08:33,280 --> 00:08:34,460 That's the feeling I get. 141 00:08:35,460 --> 00:08:36,620 Okay. It's a game to him. 142 00:08:37,569 --> 00:08:39,110 Okay, so anything else? 143 00:08:39,350 --> 00:08:45,770 I wake up with bruises, scratches, burns. I have some photos here that you 144 00:08:45,770 --> 00:08:46,770 see. 145 00:08:47,170 --> 00:08:50,410 You just wake up like this? Yeah, just wake up regularly, and there they are. 146 00:08:51,210 --> 00:08:53,550 These are pretty bad. And what do you think this is? 147 00:08:53,870 --> 00:08:57,550 It's that thing. It's that tall black thing. I want that son of a bitch gone. 148 00:08:58,430 --> 00:08:59,430 I want it gone. 149 00:09:02,050 --> 00:09:04,270 So this right now is an active doorway. 150 00:09:05,930 --> 00:09:08,110 I see a skeleton coming out of this vortex. 151 00:09:08,890 --> 00:09:09,950 He's big. 152 00:09:10,170 --> 00:09:11,770 He's really tall. 153 00:09:15,710 --> 00:09:19,910 The living are seeing a big guy in and around here. 154 00:09:20,490 --> 00:09:22,050 I'm getting more chills. 155 00:09:22,630 --> 00:09:25,070 The tall skeleton -looking dude. 156 00:09:25,450 --> 00:09:27,250 Yeah, that guy's in here a lot. 157 00:09:29,630 --> 00:09:33,570 Just a lot of, like, really bad energy. 158 00:09:34,890 --> 00:09:40,070 It's feeling it's like hungry, like it's violently hungry. 159 00:09:40,350 --> 00:09:41,990 It wants this person. 160 00:09:42,330 --> 00:09:44,830 This thing is like a collector. 161 00:09:45,210 --> 00:09:48,290 It wants the person dead so it can get the bones. 162 00:10:11,820 --> 00:10:15,820 So, Jonathan, I was talking to your wife earlier, and she was telling me about 163 00:10:15,820 --> 00:10:18,900 what's going on. I mean, things sound pretty bad here. Are you worried about 164 00:10:18,900 --> 00:10:20,920 her? Definitely worried about her. It's getting a lot worse. 165 00:10:21,120 --> 00:10:22,600 What about yourself? Any experiences? 166 00:10:22,960 --> 00:10:27,040 I get extremely angry when I get home. I hear that a lot from, you know, clients 167 00:10:27,040 --> 00:10:28,880 and witnesses about the anger issue. 168 00:10:29,300 --> 00:10:32,140 Why is it paranormal in your case and not just you're an angry guy? 169 00:10:32,420 --> 00:10:35,860 It's not happening when I'm away from here. It's as soon as I get to this 170 00:10:36,000 --> 00:10:39,900 something just kind of ignites me. I'll come home and I'll snap for no reason. 171 00:10:40,140 --> 00:10:41,320 Is it affecting your marriage? 172 00:10:41,770 --> 00:10:42,709 Very badly. 173 00:10:42,710 --> 00:10:43,710 Very badly. 174 00:10:44,430 --> 00:10:45,430 So anything else? 175 00:10:45,810 --> 00:10:49,230 We have a dark shadow that follows us around. Your wife described the shadow 176 00:10:49,230 --> 00:10:50,610 saw. Tell me what you see. 177 00:10:51,290 --> 00:10:54,090 It's basically just a giant dark spot. 178 00:10:54,490 --> 00:10:55,770 Okay. Any features at all? 179 00:10:55,990 --> 00:10:57,290 I can't see facial features. 180 00:10:57,690 --> 00:10:59,330 How big is this thing? It's huge. 181 00:10:59,570 --> 00:11:00,970 More than 10 feet. Okay. 182 00:11:01,350 --> 00:11:02,350 Anything else? 183 00:11:02,570 --> 00:11:07,270 There was a night I was laying down in bed to go to sleep and it felt like 184 00:11:07,270 --> 00:11:09,710 was like a spider on my face. So I kind of wiped it off. 185 00:11:10,480 --> 00:11:13,580 Nothing there. And then it just felt like it started choking me. 186 00:11:13,820 --> 00:11:16,660 The choking feeling you get, is it like something caught in your throat or 187 00:11:16,660 --> 00:11:17,880 somebody wrapped around your neck? 188 00:11:18,140 --> 00:11:21,760 It's like a hand that goes around your neck and pushes right on a soft spot. 189 00:11:22,580 --> 00:11:24,840 Do you think it has anything to do with the shadow figure you saw? 190 00:11:25,300 --> 00:11:26,300 Yes. 191 00:11:26,380 --> 00:11:28,560 Before that, I've had my foot tugged on it. 192 00:11:29,180 --> 00:11:30,860 Your foot? Laying down in bed. 193 00:11:31,160 --> 00:11:34,060 Next thing I know, it just felt like something grabbed my foot and just 194 00:11:34,660 --> 00:11:36,020 Did it feel like a man's hand? 195 00:11:36,280 --> 00:11:38,260 Yes. And you were alone in the bedroom? Yes. 196 00:11:39,280 --> 00:11:41,780 I mean, I don't even know how to debunk that. You would have seen it if it was 197 00:11:41,780 --> 00:11:44,200 somebody else, right? I definitely would have seen it if it was somebody else. 198 00:11:44,340 --> 00:11:46,520 What do you think is here? Definitely evil. 199 00:11:47,080 --> 00:11:48,760 It's definitely starting to attack. 200 00:11:51,600 --> 00:11:57,700 There's a lot of negativity in this house with living people, and I think 201 00:11:57,700 --> 00:11:59,880 this person has a darkness. 202 00:12:00,100 --> 00:12:03,980 The tall, skeleton -looking dude was attracted to. 203 00:12:05,220 --> 00:12:08,620 Yeah, but it's fast, and it's like... 204 00:12:09,000 --> 00:12:15,700 coming out and at times rushing, rushing, and sometimes 205 00:12:15,700 --> 00:12:17,680 more creeping. 206 00:12:18,520 --> 00:12:24,180 Is he dangerous? The intention is absolutely there and it's pretty 207 00:12:31,720 --> 00:12:36,380 So Bailey was talking to mom today. I understand you have some medical issues. 208 00:12:36,560 --> 00:12:38,760 Yeah. I have multiple sclerosis. 209 00:12:39,020 --> 00:12:41,980 Your mom seems to think that the paranormal has a lot to do with your 210 00:12:42,240 --> 00:12:43,380 How do you feel about it? 211 00:12:43,720 --> 00:12:48,360 I'm not too sure, but I do kind of feel like I do have more symptoms when I am 212 00:12:48,360 --> 00:12:48,939 at home. 213 00:12:48,940 --> 00:12:53,940 So, talking to your mom, talking to dad, and they were saying they see this 214 00:12:53,940 --> 00:12:57,840 shadow figure, big, tall shadow figure. Are you seeing this at all? Yeah, I see 215 00:12:57,840 --> 00:13:02,620 a tall figure with a black hat. I don't see any facial features, nothing. 216 00:13:02,880 --> 00:13:05,400 He sits right behind my door, just watches. 217 00:13:06,010 --> 00:13:07,250 Your mom mentioned the hat too. 218 00:13:07,830 --> 00:13:08,830 Anything else? 219 00:13:08,890 --> 00:13:12,330 I've also been grabbed when I was laying down in my bed. 220 00:13:12,850 --> 00:13:14,650 It was a very forceful pull. 221 00:13:14,910 --> 00:13:16,050 You're a big guy. Yeah. 222 00:13:16,710 --> 00:13:18,890 What did it, did it feel like a hand? 223 00:13:19,150 --> 00:13:23,610 It felt like it was a one -handed grab and smack on my leg. Do you think it was 224 00:13:23,610 --> 00:13:25,030 this shadow figure that did that? 225 00:13:25,310 --> 00:13:28,430 I do, yeah. I think it wants to come after me. 226 00:13:29,050 --> 00:13:32,490 How are you feeling though? I mean, your mother mentioned to me that you and her 227 00:13:32,490 --> 00:13:34,810 were having some arguments. You had some real anger issues. 228 00:13:35,360 --> 00:13:39,360 Just talking to you for a few minutes, I can't really see you that way. My mom 229 00:13:39,360 --> 00:13:42,340 actually normally will describe me as a gentle giant to everybody. 230 00:13:43,040 --> 00:13:47,800 But for some reason, sometimes when I'm here, I just get angry over the littlest 231 00:13:47,800 --> 00:13:48,800 of things. 232 00:13:51,880 --> 00:13:55,000 In here, I'm just feeling like anger and decompressing. 233 00:13:56,180 --> 00:13:58,900 Yeah, I'm feeling it really hardcore right here. 234 00:14:01,480 --> 00:14:02,480 What's going on? 235 00:14:02,620 --> 00:14:04,260 You also have... 236 00:14:04,570 --> 00:14:11,490 two living people here, one who has PK abilities, and 237 00:14:11,490 --> 00:14:15,690 then you have another one who might be a medium. 238 00:14:16,170 --> 00:14:23,110 And those two combined with their negative energy are pulling from 239 00:14:23,110 --> 00:14:27,130 the energy that was already here. They're creating their own energy, and 240 00:14:27,130 --> 00:14:32,550 therefore they're starting to create little mini vortexes or doorways 241 00:14:32,550 --> 00:14:33,550 the house. 242 00:14:37,360 --> 00:14:40,960 And how many of them are there under these vortexes? It would be one, two, 243 00:14:41,160 --> 00:14:42,680 three. I think there's about four. 244 00:14:43,540 --> 00:14:49,160 This negative energy that they have, you know, is creating a lot of, like, 245 00:14:49,220 --> 00:14:52,640 adrenaline. So that's just building and drawing. 246 00:14:52,840 --> 00:14:54,660 It's growing. It's getting bigger. 247 00:15:07,820 --> 00:15:11,880 So I made my usual calls before I got to town. Local cops, journalists, 248 00:15:12,100 --> 00:15:16,020 genealogists. I just got a call from a historian who says one of the original 249 00:15:16,020 --> 00:15:20,180 owners of Heather and Jonathan's land has a crazy story I'm definitely going 250 00:15:20,180 --> 00:15:21,180 want to hear about. 251 00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:28,900 So Dan, what can you tell me about this guy? The man we're talking about is John 252 00:15:28,900 --> 00:15:33,080 Marsh. John Marsh was born 1799 in Massachusetts. 253 00:15:33,740 --> 00:15:37,120 Okay. So he makes it out west to Fort Snelling, Minnesota. 254 00:15:37,680 --> 00:15:39,000 where he becomes an Indian agent. 255 00:15:39,340 --> 00:15:43,900 So what an Indian agent is, is somebody whose role is to communicate as a 256 00:15:43,900 --> 00:15:47,840 liaison between the federal government, United States, and the various Indian 257 00:15:47,840 --> 00:15:48,840 tribes in the area. 258 00:15:48,860 --> 00:15:50,360 Anything happen there I should know about? 259 00:15:50,580 --> 00:15:54,580 One is he falls in love with a woman named Marguerite de Canteau. They have a 260 00:15:54,580 --> 00:15:55,960 child that they named Charles. 261 00:15:56,240 --> 00:16:00,180 Okay. Then the other thing that happens is he gets in pretty big trouble with 262 00:16:00,180 --> 00:16:03,580 the U .S. government because he's accused of helping to incite. 263 00:16:03,950 --> 00:16:04,950 The Black Hawk War. 264 00:16:05,010 --> 00:16:07,490 He's in a lot of trouble. Do they bring him up on charges? What happens? 265 00:16:07,690 --> 00:16:08,810 Well, he becomes a wanted man. 266 00:16:09,050 --> 00:16:14,470 So he takes Marguerite and their young son, Charles, 300 miles away, sets him 267 00:16:14,470 --> 00:16:15,189 with a family. 268 00:16:15,190 --> 00:16:19,930 He returns to Fort Snelling trying to settle things with the U .S. government. 269 00:16:20,130 --> 00:16:23,210 So he gets her out of harm's way, comes back and tries to see if he can smooth 270 00:16:23,210 --> 00:16:24,210 things over. Correct. 271 00:16:24,670 --> 00:16:29,950 However, Marguerite cannot live without him. She takes it upon herself to walk 272 00:16:29,950 --> 00:16:32,310 300 miles through the wilderness. 273 00:16:33,150 --> 00:16:38,610 While pregnant, she makes it to Fort Snelling, and both she and the child die 274 00:16:38,610 --> 00:16:39,269 his arms. 275 00:16:39,270 --> 00:16:42,890 Okay, so when does he actually make it out to California? 276 00:16:43,250 --> 00:16:44,710 In 1837. 277 00:16:45,050 --> 00:16:51,050 So when he gets here, he actually begins practicing medicine. He pays $500 by 13 278 00:16:51,050 --> 00:16:54,450 ,000 acres, which includes your client's property. 279 00:16:54,750 --> 00:17:01,090 Wow. He ends up marrying a woman named Abigail Tuck in March of 1852. 280 00:17:01,660 --> 00:17:06,020 Okay. The next year, they have a child that they named Alice, and that's a 281 00:17:06,020 --> 00:17:07,020 family photo. 282 00:17:08,579 --> 00:17:09,579 Okay. 283 00:17:09,819 --> 00:17:13,380 All right, so he's married again. He's got another kid. About a year after that 284 00:17:13,380 --> 00:17:18,040 photograph was taken, Abby contracts what we think was tuberculosis, and she 285 00:17:18,040 --> 00:17:19,160 dies in 1855. 286 00:17:19,619 --> 00:17:22,319 She is then buried on the property. 287 00:17:22,579 --> 00:17:24,800 How old was she when she died? She was about 36. 288 00:17:25,240 --> 00:17:26,460 Okay, so she was a young woman. 289 00:17:26,920 --> 00:17:30,660 All right, so now he loses two wives. What happens next? So the following 290 00:17:30,880 --> 00:17:35,640 John Marsh is heading to a business trip in San Francisco, takes his horse and 291 00:17:35,640 --> 00:17:40,720 buggy. On the trail, he's confronted by three Mexican cowboys that Marsh hired 292 00:17:40,720 --> 00:17:45,340 to work the ranch for him. They accused Marsh of not paying them what he owed 293 00:17:45,340 --> 00:17:46,340 them. Okay. 294 00:17:46,620 --> 00:17:47,680 They had a confrontation. 295 00:17:48,060 --> 00:17:52,920 Marsh is thrown from the buggy, and then a man named Felipe Moreno comes over 296 00:17:52,920 --> 00:17:54,860 and slits Marsh's throat. 297 00:17:55,400 --> 00:17:56,460 Okay, so now we've got a homicide. 298 00:17:56,700 --> 00:18:03,280 Correct. Charles Marsh, John's son, spent the next decade of his life 299 00:18:03,280 --> 00:18:09,240 down his father's murder. He eventually captures Felipe Moreno, and Felipe is 300 00:18:09,240 --> 00:18:12,000 tried and convicted of the murder. 301 00:18:12,840 --> 00:18:18,300 This story went from unbelievable to this is bad to unbelievable again to a 302 00:18:18,300 --> 00:18:21,280 tragedy. That's the story of John Marsh's life. 303 00:18:24,360 --> 00:18:28,420 I'm seeing a dead couple sitting there, a male and a female. 304 00:18:28,660 --> 00:18:33,700 They're both white in their 30s. They come into the house through one of the 305 00:18:33,700 --> 00:18:34,700 vortexes. 306 00:18:36,220 --> 00:18:41,400 The dead woman, she also wanted to say that the reason why the guy she's with 307 00:18:41,400 --> 00:18:44,040 so stiff and quiet is because he's got PTSD. 308 00:18:44,940 --> 00:18:47,120 The woman is kind of messed up. 309 00:18:47,540 --> 00:18:53,000 The side of her face is not right. I thought she had been in some kind of 310 00:18:53,760 --> 00:18:54,760 because of her face. 311 00:18:55,100 --> 00:18:56,480 But then I heard no. 312 00:18:56,740 --> 00:19:00,560 They seemed to be a couple from a while ago. They want out. 313 00:19:02,080 --> 00:19:04,940 She kept saying, help me, help me, trust me. 314 00:19:05,240 --> 00:19:10,420 Her head was hurt. Something about a premature baby. 315 00:19:10,780 --> 00:19:13,440 And that's the real way she died. 316 00:19:17,280 --> 00:19:19,880 Heather and Jonathan live in a big gated development. 317 00:19:20,200 --> 00:19:21,320 It's a beautiful place. 318 00:19:21,870 --> 00:19:26,790 But a local genealogist just called me up, said the whole place is built on an 319 00:19:26,790 --> 00:19:29,250 ancient burial site. This I got to hear about. 320 00:19:36,850 --> 00:19:39,110 So, Cherie, I appreciate you coming out and meeting with me. 321 00:19:39,490 --> 00:19:41,090 Before we get to the burial site. 322 00:19:41,680 --> 00:19:42,980 When did this development start? 323 00:19:43,280 --> 00:19:44,280 In about 2002. 324 00:19:44,780 --> 00:19:49,540 They started out at Marsh Creek area, which is about five miles this way. 325 00:19:49,580 --> 00:19:54,020 And they developed the area all the way to where you see now. There's about 3 326 00:19:54,020 --> 00:19:58,000 ,000 homes in this community. So ancient burial grounds, what did they find? 327 00:19:58,200 --> 00:20:01,840 Well, at first they found tools. They found a lot of artifacts. 328 00:20:02,320 --> 00:20:05,300 Okay. Then they came upon some burial sites. 329 00:20:05,640 --> 00:20:08,260 Okay. After they did the radiocarbon dating. 330 00:20:09,150 --> 00:20:14,250 They found that the bones were 3 ,000 to 4 ,000 years old. So do we have any 331 00:20:14,250 --> 00:20:18,350 idea how many remains they found as far as bodies go? They found 500 burial 332 00:20:18,350 --> 00:20:19,570 sites. Wow. 333 00:20:19,850 --> 00:20:23,490 Within this area here. So with all the stuff that they found, was there any 334 00:20:23,490 --> 00:20:26,750 clues as to who they might have been or what they were all about? The 335 00:20:26,750 --> 00:20:30,350 archaeologists on the site have dubbed them the Marsh Creek people. 336 00:20:30,750 --> 00:20:33,970 And this is what the burial sites looked like. 337 00:20:34,440 --> 00:20:37,480 Do we know how they survived, how they ate and stuff like that? 338 00:20:37,700 --> 00:20:42,800 They were hunter -gatherer people. They survived off of acorns and fish. 339 00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:44,820 Any idea how old they lived to? 340 00:20:45,380 --> 00:20:50,280 There were some skeletons that were approximately 35 years old. There was 341 00:20:50,280 --> 00:20:55,500 another that was 40, but not much older than that. So middle age to them was 20. 342 00:20:55,660 --> 00:20:59,380 Yes. You always hear the old joke about, oh, I live on ancient burial grounds. 343 00:20:59,420 --> 00:21:00,420 These people actually do. 344 00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:01,480 Yes. 345 00:21:06,480 --> 00:21:13,460 So I'm walking along and I see like this wide, I don't know if 346 00:21:13,460 --> 00:21:17,560 it was a large creek bed or a river bed. 347 00:21:19,360 --> 00:21:25,660 In it, I'm seeing all of these human bones just scattered. 348 00:21:27,860 --> 00:21:31,780 Along this, I see men on their knees. 349 00:21:32,460 --> 00:21:37,520 They're hunched over and they're naked. They're also completely hairless and 350 00:21:37,520 --> 00:21:44,000 they're pounding on the ground in anguish. They chose to stay to remember 351 00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:50,820 mourn. The tall skeleton dude was one of those people and has like 352 00:21:50,820 --> 00:21:51,880 these glowing eyes. 353 00:21:52,120 --> 00:21:54,780 He's got like some kind of special job here or whatnot. 354 00:21:55,060 --> 00:21:59,680 And that's when I got a really bad feeling. And I mean, very bad. 355 00:22:08,650 --> 00:22:12,210 For more information about the show, and if you need us to investigate 356 00:22:12,210 --> 00:22:16,750 unexplained activity in your home, please visit TravelChannel .com slash 357 00:22:16,750 --> 00:22:17,529 Dead Files. 358 00:22:17,530 --> 00:22:20,970 Click on Help Me Dead Files to submit your story, and we'll help if we can. 359 00:22:27,970 --> 00:22:32,050 So far, I've got a client who thinks something in the house killed her father 360 00:22:32,050 --> 00:22:35,610 a property that was built over ancient Native American burial grounds. 361 00:22:36,510 --> 00:22:38,210 But I want to see if there's anything else. 362 00:22:39,170 --> 00:22:42,870 Searching through old records, I found a gruesome story about a man who kept 363 00:22:42,870 --> 00:22:45,590 thousands of cremated bodies in a storage facility. 364 00:22:46,550 --> 00:22:49,290 So I'm heading over to meet a local journalist who covered this crime. 365 00:22:49,490 --> 00:22:53,930 Now, he says the reason the guy kept all the cremated remains is going to blow 366 00:22:53,930 --> 00:22:54,930 me away. 367 00:23:00,510 --> 00:23:04,690 So, Greg, do me a favor and let's take it from the top. How the hell did they 368 00:23:04,690 --> 00:23:05,710 find the remains? 369 00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:08,860 Steve, it happened on June 5th, 1997. 370 00:23:09,660 --> 00:23:15,540 Okay. When one of the local storage units out here, the tenant noticed that 371 00:23:15,540 --> 00:23:17,780 was getting this dust from the unit next door. 372 00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:21,820 Okay. So he told the management company, and they come out, and they roll up the 373 00:23:21,820 --> 00:23:25,440 door from the place next door, and it was like a scene from a horror movie. 374 00:23:25,580 --> 00:23:30,500 There were boxes of human remains, cremations, stacked floor to ceiling in 375 00:23:30,500 --> 00:23:31,500 storage unit. 376 00:23:32,260 --> 00:23:33,260 Okay, that's a little bizarre. 377 00:23:33,500 --> 00:23:36,280 I mean, how far is that from my client's property, do you know? It was just 378 00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:37,079 about a mile. 379 00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:39,240 All right, so we got a locker filled with cremated remains. 380 00:23:39,660 --> 00:23:40,660 I mean, do we know how many? 381 00:23:41,120 --> 00:23:44,380 Yes, there was close to 5 ,000 remains in this locker. 382 00:23:45,060 --> 00:23:48,660 And some of the boxes were so old, they were like crushed and the ashes were 383 00:23:48,660 --> 00:23:51,920 coming out of them. All right, so who the hell is keeping the remains there? I 384 00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:57,280 mean, what's going on? Well, the guy's name was Alan Kenneth Vieira. He was a 385 00:23:57,280 --> 00:23:59,360 -year -old guy from Stockton, California. 386 00:24:00,010 --> 00:24:03,130 All right, so this guy sounds like a sick bastard. I mean, what would possess 387 00:24:03,130 --> 00:24:05,750 this guy to keep 5 ,000 remains in a loft? I don't understand. 388 00:24:05,950 --> 00:24:11,170 Well, he was a commercial pilot, and he worked with about 150 funeral prowlers 389 00:24:11,170 --> 00:24:12,170 around the area. 390 00:24:12,590 --> 00:24:18,190 And his job was to disperse these ashes. And he used to fly them in a plane like 391 00:24:18,190 --> 00:24:19,610 this, right? 392 00:24:19,990 --> 00:24:24,190 Well, what happened was he lost his pilot license in, like, 1985. 393 00:24:24,950 --> 00:24:26,650 Okay. So he needed the money. 394 00:24:27,120 --> 00:24:31,340 So he just kept taking the job and taking the remains and storing them in 395 00:24:31,340 --> 00:24:33,480 storage unit, figuring nobody was ever going to know. 396 00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:35,720 Okay, so I assume the authorities got involved. 397 00:24:36,180 --> 00:24:38,600 Well, absolutely. They knew who he was from the storage locker. 398 00:24:38,820 --> 00:24:43,180 They found out they got seven arrest warrants for this guy, and they went to 399 00:24:43,180 --> 00:24:46,620 airplane hangar where they found another thousand boxes of remains. 400 00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:51,080 Wow. Cops seek remains pilot. Okay, so they didn't get him at this point. 401 00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:53,620 No. They tried to get him, but he went on the run. 402 00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:56,620 All right, so with all these warrants out for him, did they ever catch up to 403 00:24:56,620 --> 00:25:01,260 him? Sort of. They found his abandoned car out on a remote road in the next 404 00:25:01,260 --> 00:25:06,160 county over, and they did a search, and about 200 yards from the car, they found 405 00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:07,079 his body. 406 00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:09,400 Single gunshot wound to the head. He offed himself. 407 00:25:10,180 --> 00:25:12,500 Did the families ever get any of the ashes back? 408 00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:16,020 Yes, most of the families did get the remains back from the identifications on 409 00:25:16,020 --> 00:25:20,060 the boxes, but there were several hundred that were never identified 410 00:25:20,060 --> 00:25:23,620 boxes were broken and ashes got mixed together, so unfortunately not everybody 411 00:25:23,620 --> 00:25:25,660 did get their family member back. 412 00:25:36,610 --> 00:25:43,310 I saw a lot of disturbing 413 00:25:43,310 --> 00:25:48,330 things on my walk, but the tall skeleton dude tormenting a living woman has me 414 00:25:48,330 --> 00:25:49,330 the most concerned. 415 00:25:50,190 --> 00:25:51,370 From the front. 416 00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:54,720 You see clearly a skeleton. 417 00:25:55,140 --> 00:26:01,880 Everything on the back side of him is actually skin. And also, 418 00:26:01,940 --> 00:26:07,440 he has eyeballs in his sockets, in the open sockets. 419 00:26:14,340 --> 00:26:16,260 Amy, is this what you saw? 420 00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:19,660 Yes, that's what I saw. 421 00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:44,440 Now that Amy and I have completed our investigations, we're ready to reveal 422 00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:47,660 findings to each other and our clients for the first time. 423 00:26:48,100 --> 00:26:49,280 Guys, this is Amy. 424 00:26:50,180 --> 00:26:53,180 She's going to be doing the reveal from one of your bedrooms so she can 425 00:26:53,180 --> 00:26:54,920 concentrate on your case without any distractions. 426 00:26:55,700 --> 00:26:57,620 Amy, this is Heather and her husband, Jonathan. 427 00:26:58,300 --> 00:27:00,220 They live here with their two kids. 428 00:27:00,420 --> 00:27:03,000 This is Bailey and Michaela. 429 00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:05,540 Bailey's 21 and Michaela's 14. 430 00:27:06,380 --> 00:27:09,500 So now these guys have been here a couple of years, and it's been bad for 431 00:27:09,580 --> 00:27:10,580 No one feels safe. 432 00:27:10,900 --> 00:27:15,340 Heather is convinced whatever's here in the house is capable of murder, and she 433 00:27:15,340 --> 00:27:16,500 thinks it's going at the belly. 434 00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:20,740 So now that Amy knows a little bit about you guys, she'll tell us about her 435 00:27:20,740 --> 00:27:21,740 walk. 436 00:27:23,140 --> 00:27:29,300 When I first walked into the house, I knew that there was somebody here who 437 00:27:29,300 --> 00:27:30,900 PK abilities. 438 00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:36,320 And I believe that this is a living female. 439 00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:40,520 Amy, can you do me a favor? Can you just explain the PK? 440 00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:47,300 It's the ability of an individual, a living person, to affect their 441 00:27:47,300 --> 00:27:49,300 in a non -physical manner. 442 00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:56,660 And some of the things that I felt you guys might be having experiences with 443 00:27:56,660 --> 00:28:00,800 were hearing or seeing cabinets and doors opening. 444 00:28:01,910 --> 00:28:03,230 things going missing? 445 00:28:03,770 --> 00:28:09,150 I will hear like mugs or dishes crashing, but I don't find anything. 446 00:28:09,590 --> 00:28:16,230 Okay. Have you had anything with like getting something out of the cabinet and 447 00:28:16,230 --> 00:28:20,190 thinking you closed that cabinet and then you're looking and it's open, but 448 00:28:20,190 --> 00:28:23,590 you're like, I'm pretty sure I closed that thing. Yeah. And it consistently 449 00:28:23,590 --> 00:28:25,210 happening? Yeah. 450 00:28:25,570 --> 00:28:27,830 Okay. I thought I was losing my marbles. 451 00:28:28,430 --> 00:28:32,280 Actually, when I sat down and I was looking at you, Heather, I do think it 452 00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:34,320 you. I also think you're a psychic empath. 453 00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:40,660 And you also being a psychic empath means that you're absorbing even more 454 00:28:40,660 --> 00:28:44,340 energy? I always thought it was just my mother instinct. 455 00:28:45,980 --> 00:28:48,360 I could tell you my kids can get sick before they do. 456 00:28:48,780 --> 00:28:49,780 Okay, okay. 457 00:28:50,300 --> 00:28:54,540 So, Amy, you should probably know that the house used to be owned by Heather's 458 00:28:54,540 --> 00:28:55,540 father, Warren. 459 00:28:55,620 --> 00:28:57,180 I actually have a picture of him here. 460 00:28:58,250 --> 00:29:03,070 This guy never had experiences before, but the second he moved in here, that 461 00:29:03,070 --> 00:29:04,550 changed. Really? 462 00:29:05,590 --> 00:29:06,590 Interesting. Okay. 463 00:29:06,850 --> 00:29:09,290 He just thought something was here. 464 00:29:09,870 --> 00:29:11,890 You also think this house killed your father? 465 00:29:13,330 --> 00:29:18,270 From the minute he saw this house, he declined rapidly. 466 00:29:18,770 --> 00:29:21,990 Did he ever think, like, he had abilities? 467 00:29:22,370 --> 00:29:25,990 If he did, he would have never told me. He didn't believe in that stuff. 468 00:29:26,230 --> 00:29:32,980 Okay. The reason why I'm asking that is because I believed there to be a 469 00:29:32,980 --> 00:29:34,420 second sensitive in the house. 470 00:29:35,420 --> 00:29:41,520 But I felt that that individual was more than likely a medium. 471 00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:45,340 Any idea who the other sensitive is? 472 00:29:45,580 --> 00:29:51,180 I don't know if it was her father or if it's you. 473 00:29:53,710 --> 00:29:58,190 Here's the thing. The energy created by having two sensitives in this house is 474 00:29:58,190 --> 00:30:03,730 making various pathways or vortexes for the dead. 475 00:30:04,970 --> 00:30:10,130 Right now, I believe there are four separate vortexes in the house. And the 476 00:30:10,130 --> 00:30:14,970 problem with these is that, unfortunately, they can allow anything 477 00:30:16,610 --> 00:30:17,610 I'm trembling. 478 00:30:18,490 --> 00:30:20,630 Yeah, it's a lot. I'm trembling. 479 00:30:25,290 --> 00:30:28,590 So now these vortexes, what's coming through them? 480 00:30:28,830 --> 00:30:35,330 There were two different sets of dead people. The first one was a couple. 481 00:30:35,610 --> 00:30:41,350 They looked to be probably in their 30s. The male was very, very stiff. 482 00:30:41,590 --> 00:30:46,390 And she told me the reason why he was like that was because he is suffering 483 00:30:46,390 --> 00:30:47,390 PTSD. 484 00:30:47,470 --> 00:30:52,070 I kept trying to figure out how the female died. 485 00:30:52,650 --> 00:30:54,930 because her face was a little messed up. 486 00:30:55,130 --> 00:30:59,110 And I thought initially that it looked like she had been in some kind of fire 487 00:30:59,110 --> 00:31:00,890 something, but I heard no. 488 00:31:01,310 --> 00:31:03,870 She just kept saying, please help me. 489 00:31:04,210 --> 00:31:09,710 There was something as well around her death that had to do with a premature 490 00:31:09,710 --> 00:31:13,510 baby. Okay, so this is making me think of the original owner of this land. 491 00:31:14,050 --> 00:31:15,390 His name was John Marsh. 492 00:31:15,610 --> 00:31:16,650 He was from Massachusetts. 493 00:31:17,170 --> 00:31:21,730 Now, he ended up in Minnesota in Fort Snelling. He worked as an Indian agent. 494 00:31:22,540 --> 00:31:28,060 Basically, what that means is a fancy way of saying he was a broker between 495 00:31:28,060 --> 00:31:30,660 government, U .S. government and the Native American tribes. 496 00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:33,760 While he was there, he fell in love with an Indian woman and they had a child 497 00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:35,340 together. Then things went bad. 498 00:31:35,940 --> 00:31:40,380 He got blamed for starting a war between two tribes and suddenly his life was in 499 00:31:40,380 --> 00:31:45,160 danger. So he sent his common -law wife to hide out with a friend about 300 500 00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:46,019 miles away. 501 00:31:46,020 --> 00:31:50,720 But she missed him. And get this, she walked all the way back. 502 00:31:51,290 --> 00:31:54,890 300 miles. Even though she was pregnant with their second child. 503 00:31:55,150 --> 00:31:59,310 But the walk literally killed her. When she arrived, she actually died in his 504 00:31:59,310 --> 00:32:03,330 arms. Her unborn child was also dead as well. 505 00:32:03,790 --> 00:32:08,910 So in 1838, Marsh finally made his way here and bought 13 ,000 acres of land, 506 00:32:09,070 --> 00:32:10,350 which includes your property. 507 00:32:10,630 --> 00:32:12,630 So in 1851, he remarried. 508 00:32:12,910 --> 00:32:15,190 Now, I got a picture of him with his second wife. 509 00:32:15,490 --> 00:32:17,690 But four years later, she died of TB. 510 00:32:17,950 --> 00:32:20,090 And she was only 36 when she died. 511 00:32:20,750 --> 00:32:24,690 The following year, Marsh got into a fight with some of the farmhands who 512 00:32:24,690 --> 00:32:28,650 thought they'd been underpaid. One of them sliced his throat and he died in a 513 00:32:28,650 --> 00:32:31,070 field. Now, he was 57 when he died. 514 00:32:31,370 --> 00:32:33,050 I don't want them stuck here. 515 00:32:34,310 --> 00:32:36,370 So you said this couple came through the vortex. 516 00:32:36,650 --> 00:32:40,150 Yes. Anything else coming out of the vortex when they came out? The second 517 00:32:40,150 --> 00:32:44,950 that I saw coming through is something I'm actually worried about here. 518 00:32:45,290 --> 00:32:49,010 What I saw coming at me looked like a skeleton. 519 00:32:50,220 --> 00:32:54,920 I know that this thing was alive once. It was a person, a male. 520 00:32:55,280 --> 00:33:02,260 And what I saw was about five or six men with this 521 00:33:02,260 --> 00:33:07,560 skeleton. They were all on their knees and bent over, and they were banging on 522 00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:08,439 the ground. 523 00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:14,320 They were around, I believe, a large creek or some kind of riverbed. And what 524 00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:18,880 saw were a lot of bones that were scattered all over the place. 525 00:33:19,340 --> 00:33:22,360 And that's why these men are so upset. 526 00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:25,680 And they were grieving over the bones. 527 00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:30,120 Well, you pretty much nailed this one. 528 00:33:30,660 --> 00:33:35,020 So Heather and John's house is built on a development of about 3 ,000 houses. 529 00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:39,680 Construction started a few miles away in 2002 by Marsh Creek. 530 00:33:39,940 --> 00:33:43,800 This is the creek not far from here. Now, once they started digging, they 531 00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:47,320 realized they were building over an ancient city. Oh, no. Oh, my gosh. 532 00:33:48,010 --> 00:33:53,910 Now, they found tools, cooking sites, you know, all kinds of other artifacts. 533 00:33:54,670 --> 00:33:58,870 They also found more than 500 graves with the bones intact. 534 00:33:59,710 --> 00:34:01,910 This is what it looked like. It was similar to this. 535 00:34:03,810 --> 00:34:10,290 Using radiocarbon dating, they determined that these bones were between 536 00:34:10,290 --> 00:34:12,150 ,000 and 4 ,000 years old. 537 00:34:12,389 --> 00:34:13,389 Oh, holy. 538 00:34:14,889 --> 00:34:15,929 Thanks so much. 539 00:34:16,330 --> 00:34:18,690 Did you guys know about that? I said it. No. She felt it. 540 00:34:19,570 --> 00:34:20,570 What'd you feel? 541 00:34:21,250 --> 00:34:24,810 She just kept repeating, like, your face is on native ground. We're out of here. 542 00:34:25,030 --> 00:34:26,590 Really? Because she don't want to mess with it. 543 00:34:26,830 --> 00:34:27,328 Mm -mm. 544 00:34:27,330 --> 00:34:28,248 Mm -mm. 545 00:34:28,250 --> 00:34:30,670 Amy, you said you were worried about the skeleton guy, but why? 546 00:34:31,010 --> 00:34:33,530 Now I'm tenfold worried. 547 00:34:33,830 --> 00:34:35,170 He's strong. He's strong. 548 00:34:35,949 --> 00:34:39,690 When I saw him in particular coming through, that... 549 00:34:40,350 --> 00:34:46,010 Vortex. I thought that maybe y 'all would see something very, very big or 550 00:34:47,190 --> 00:34:51,070 Well, Amy, everybody I spoke to has seen this tall shadow guy. 551 00:34:51,670 --> 00:34:56,330 He's very black, very big, black, black, black shadow. It's almost identical. 552 00:34:56,590 --> 00:34:58,390 It's like I can make out the shoulders. 553 00:34:58,590 --> 00:35:01,310 Then you can see just the shadow of his head. 554 00:35:01,570 --> 00:35:07,710 The emotion with him is one of utter, utter 555 00:35:07,710 --> 00:35:10,380 hate. And violence. 556 00:35:10,820 --> 00:35:15,220 The reason he's attracted to your house is that there's a lot of anger here. 557 00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:22,020 As soon as I pull up in the driveway, I just instantly feel angry 558 00:35:22,020 --> 00:35:28,400 over the smallest things. And I snap instantly, just snap. 559 00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:29,720 And for no reason. 560 00:35:30,260 --> 00:35:36,800 It's anger I never felt. Screaming to where your throat hurts. 561 00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:38,040 And that's not us. 562 00:35:38,260 --> 00:35:39,590 No. That's not us. 563 00:35:40,170 --> 00:35:44,650 Interesting. I wouldn't be surprised if there's been some physical interaction. 564 00:35:45,070 --> 00:35:49,810 At this point, I'm thinking touching, possible scratching with him. 565 00:35:50,170 --> 00:35:56,890 I will wake up first thing in the morning and I will notice bruises on my 566 00:35:57,110 --> 00:36:01,410 my forearm, inner thighs, around my knees. 567 00:36:01,610 --> 00:36:03,430 And it looks like fingerprints. 568 00:36:03,810 --> 00:36:07,530 And I also wake up with scratches on my arms. 569 00:36:08,010 --> 00:36:11,590 So I got a couple of photos here of the bruising she's talking about. 570 00:36:12,270 --> 00:36:13,290 This is one of them. 571 00:36:15,390 --> 00:36:18,970 This is the other one. These are both on your... My forearms. My forearms. 572 00:36:20,230 --> 00:36:21,750 They're pretty significant bruises. 573 00:36:23,090 --> 00:36:24,450 You got grabbed by the foot. 574 00:36:24,970 --> 00:36:28,050 Yeah. Tell Amy what happened. In bed, getting ready to go to sleep. 575 00:36:28,310 --> 00:36:32,650 Next thing I know, I just had this hand just grab my foot and just tug. 576 00:36:33,050 --> 00:36:34,350 Your son barely had his... 577 00:36:34,790 --> 00:36:38,710 Foot grab, too. Tell Amy what happened. Yeah, and he's a big boy, and it yanked 578 00:36:38,710 --> 00:36:39,710 him recently. 579 00:36:39,950 --> 00:36:42,550 Okay. Remember that spider thing you talked about? 580 00:36:42,830 --> 00:36:47,070 Yeah. Tell Amy what happened. It was a night I was laying in bed, and it felt 581 00:36:47,070 --> 00:36:49,910 like I had a spider crawl along my shoulder. 582 00:36:50,270 --> 00:36:53,790 So I kind of brushed it off, and it touched my face. 583 00:36:54,010 --> 00:36:58,330 And just a few minutes later, something grabbed my throat and started squeezing. 584 00:36:58,850 --> 00:37:00,610 Now, Heather, you told me you feel what? 585 00:37:01,610 --> 00:37:02,610 Oh, yeah. 586 00:37:02,870 --> 00:37:06,810 Creepy, in the corner, just ominous, evil, just staring. 587 00:37:07,470 --> 00:37:08,910 He's in the dark, watching. 588 00:37:09,130 --> 00:37:12,630 So you guys have seen it. I mean, Amy, what did it look like to you? 589 00:37:12,890 --> 00:37:15,870 Actually, I did have a sketch done of what I saw. 590 00:37:25,730 --> 00:37:27,370 I'm not sure if you're going to want to see this. 591 00:37:27,570 --> 00:37:30,030 No, I'm going to fight this guy. I want to see what he looks like. 592 00:37:33,569 --> 00:37:34,930 Oh, yeah, you're going down. 593 00:37:37,510 --> 00:37:38,510 Wrong house. 594 00:37:39,490 --> 00:37:40,490 Wrong house. 595 00:37:44,230 --> 00:37:45,390 Wrong house. 596 00:37:46,110 --> 00:37:47,130 Wish I can shoot it. 597 00:37:47,450 --> 00:37:48,450 That's scary. 598 00:37:48,670 --> 00:37:49,810 I ain't scared of him. 599 00:37:50,370 --> 00:37:51,149 I'm good. 600 00:37:51,150 --> 00:37:52,650 I ain't scared of him. He's going. 601 00:37:52,870 --> 00:37:55,090 No, he just pissed me off. That's all he did. 602 00:37:55,630 --> 00:37:56,630 Touch my kids. 603 00:37:57,590 --> 00:38:00,270 So what the hell does he want from these guys? 604 00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:06,120 His intentions are very violent and based on, like, when I say pure hate, I 605 00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:07,120 hate. 606 00:38:07,820 --> 00:38:13,240 What I saw when I was looking at him coming towards the bed was him 607 00:38:13,240 --> 00:38:18,760 honing in on a female. He wants her dead, meaning you. 608 00:38:19,020 --> 00:38:21,040 He told you. So he can have your bone. 609 00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:23,280 It's all about the bone. 610 00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:26,420 Almost like a revenge, I think. 611 00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:27,680 Well, because they did. 612 00:38:27,720 --> 00:38:30,320 Ripped out the bones from the graves here? That's what I think, yeah. 613 00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:32,140 I knew it wanted to kill me. I knew that. 614 00:38:32,900 --> 00:38:33,900 I knew that. 615 00:38:34,240 --> 00:38:37,320 You're angry about it as opposed to being afraid. 616 00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:39,000 It touched my kid. 617 00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:40,760 I may be small. 618 00:38:42,180 --> 00:38:47,160 With my kids, it's a whole nother ballgame. Good. It's a good attitude. I 619 00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:48,220 it. It's a whole nother ballgame. 620 00:39:05,759 --> 00:39:11,320 Well, you guys have a trifecta here. You got PK, vortexes, and the skeleton guy. 621 00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:12,880 That's a lot. 622 00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:17,460 So now for the big questions. Can you stay and fight or should you pack up and 623 00:39:17,460 --> 00:39:19,920 go? For that answer, I'm going to turn it over to Amy. 624 00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:28,100 So the first thing, Heather, what would be really good for you is something like 625 00:39:28,100 --> 00:39:31,740 Tai Chi or Qigong. And these are energetic exercises. 626 00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:38,340 what that will do is help you to control, release, and manage your PK 627 00:39:38,340 --> 00:39:44,220 specifically. The second thing that I would suggest is some type of family 628 00:39:44,220 --> 00:39:50,980 counseling with a psychotherapist to allow you guys to kind of purge all of 629 00:39:50,980 --> 00:39:55,560 these experiences and allow everybody in the family to just kind of share where 630 00:39:55,560 --> 00:39:56,560 they're at with things. 631 00:39:57,540 --> 00:39:59,840 Now, considering everything, 632 00:40:03,210 --> 00:40:09,690 The safest thing to do, especially because, you know, you have family and 633 00:40:09,690 --> 00:40:15,530 know that this thing is filled with absolute hatred, has keyed in on your 634 00:40:15,530 --> 00:40:21,390 location and wants to do you physical harm and has been doing physical harm. 635 00:40:21,390 --> 00:40:24,010 safest thing to do is to relocate. 636 00:40:26,670 --> 00:40:30,710 I mean, this is a blow to the head, which I didn't want you guys to deal 637 00:40:30,710 --> 00:40:34,430 tonight. I know this house has sentimental value as far as you follow 638 00:40:34,470 --> 00:40:36,790 That doesn't mean nothing. That doesn't mean nothing, no. My son has MS. 639 00:40:37,370 --> 00:40:39,330 He can't. He can't fight this. 640 00:40:40,630 --> 00:40:41,630 He can't. 641 00:40:42,510 --> 00:40:44,030 And I'm not losing my kid. 642 00:40:44,810 --> 00:40:48,250 Just to build it. Right. Yeah. Just to build it. You can make a home anywhere. 643 00:40:48,470 --> 00:40:50,810 Yeah. My dad wouldn't want me here. 644 00:40:51,050 --> 00:40:52,450 Yeah. Not knowing this. No. 645 00:40:52,670 --> 00:40:55,290 I don't like the idea of leaving it here for someone else. 646 00:40:55,550 --> 00:40:56,229 Mm -hmm. 647 00:40:56,230 --> 00:40:58,510 I know. That scares me. Mm -hmm. 648 00:40:59,340 --> 00:41:03,280 You thought your marriage was on the rocks because of all the fighting, but 649 00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:04,700 you guys leave, be a fresh start. 650 00:41:04,900 --> 00:41:05,900 Definitely. 651 00:41:06,240 --> 00:41:07,240 I like that. 652 00:41:12,020 --> 00:41:16,520 It's never easy telling someone they need to leave their home, but in a 653 00:41:16,520 --> 00:41:20,060 situation as dangerous as this, it's their only option. 654 00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:25,960 Hopefully, Heather and Jonathan take my advice, seek family counseling, and get 655 00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:27,820 a fresh start someplace new. 656 00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:34,320 Hi, Dead Files. 657 00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:38,100 We are still currently in the house. We haven't moved yet. 658 00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:44,060 We do plan on moving within the next year, depending on the current 659 00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:45,540 Yeah, it's hard right now. 660 00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:50,120 The activity in the house, it's still going on. We've still got the bruises 661 00:41:50,120 --> 00:41:53,540 the scratches and the noises and everything going on. 662 00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:55,780 I'm starting to see some shadows again. 663 00:41:56,500 --> 00:41:59,880 So it's not very comforting, but we're going to take care of it.