1 00:00:01,640 --> 00:00:03,847 Who's that? Who is that? 2 00:00:04,000 --> 00:00:06,606 It's just a patient. Road traffic accident. 3 00:00:06,760 --> 00:00:08,569 We're only holding two cards, Stella. 4 00:00:08,720 --> 00:00:12,202 One, we have him. Two, we have her and she's alive. 5 00:00:12,360 --> 00:00:14,522 The rest is a disaster. 6 00:00:14,680 --> 00:00:16,523 Do you have a friend called Daisy? 7 00:00:16,680 --> 00:00:17,727 Why? 8 00:00:17,880 --> 00:00:19,450 There's something about her online. 9 00:00:19,600 --> 00:00:21,250 How she met Daddy one time. 10 00:00:21,400 --> 00:00:23,209 Am I being interviewed under caution? 11 00:00:23,360 --> 00:00:25,761 - Yes, you are. - I know Rose was in that boot. 12 00:00:25,920 --> 00:00:27,649 And I needed to get to her. 13 00:00:27,800 --> 00:00:29,882 And what about Mr. Spector's life? 14 00:00:30,040 --> 00:00:32,202 Did you not have a duty to protect that? 15 00:00:32,360 --> 00:00:34,283 Oh! 16 00:00:34,440 --> 00:00:36,169 - I need some help in here! 17 00:00:36,320 --> 00:00:38,322 - Rose, what are you doing? - I want to go home. 18 00:00:38,480 --> 00:00:40,050 - You can't. - I want to go home! 19 00:00:40,200 --> 00:00:41,565 A man has come forward 20 00:00:41,720 --> 00:00:44,041 having seen Spector's photograph on the news. 21 00:00:44,200 --> 00:00:45,690 He says Spector looks like a man 22 00:00:45,840 --> 00:00:48,241 who rents a lock-up from him in East Belfast. 23 00:00:48,400 --> 00:00:50,323 Under the name "Baldwin". 24 00:00:50,480 --> 00:00:53,211 We've just landed a not uninteresting little case. 25 00:00:53,360 --> 00:00:54,850 The Belfast Strangler. 26 00:00:55,000 --> 00:00:57,002 - You stay away from him! - I haven't been near him. 27 00:00:57,160 --> 00:01:00,209 You need to get a grip! You're obsessed. It's pathetic. 28 00:01:00,360 --> 00:01:02,249 - Who's pathetic now? 29 00:01:02,400 --> 00:01:05,210 Ma'am. 30 00:01:05,360 --> 00:01:07,647 Hello, Daddy. It's me, Olivia. 31 00:01:07,800 --> 00:01:11,521 Why are you so big? And you...you look different. 32 00:01:11,680 --> 00:01:14,286 Older. What's happening to me? 33 00:01:16,400 --> 00:01:18,402 More victims. 34 00:03:31,640 --> 00:03:33,642 Are you in pain? 35 00:03:49,400 --> 00:03:51,562 - Here. 36 00:04:27,720 --> 00:04:29,484 We've seen fragments before, 37 00:04:29,640 --> 00:04:31,802 bits of pages that didn't burn in the car. 38 00:04:31,960 --> 00:04:33,724 Enough to confirm that he kept journals 39 00:04:33,880 --> 00:04:35,928 but...nothing like this. 40 00:04:37,120 --> 00:04:40,522 Nothing so extensive, nothing so detailed. 41 00:04:40,680 --> 00:04:42,887 I'd...put it to Spector 42 00:04:43,040 --> 00:04:45,805 that between the strangulation of Rose 43 00:04:45,960 --> 00:04:48,008 and the murder of Fiona Gallagher 44 00:04:48,160 --> 00:04:49,924 that there must have been other attacks. 45 00:04:50,080 --> 00:04:52,765 He said that there were no other attacks, 46 00:04:52,920 --> 00:04:54,922 that Fiona Gallagher was his first murder. 47 00:04:56,600 --> 00:04:57,806 During that gap in time, 48 00:04:57,960 --> 00:05:02,568 he suggested that he always had a "project" to work on. 49 00:05:03,960 --> 00:05:05,962 Are these those "projects"? 50 00:05:06,960 --> 00:05:08,962 "AS." 51 00:05:10,920 --> 00:05:13,605 Might live in the Holylands area. 52 00:05:13,760 --> 00:05:16,331 Who might be a journalist. 53 00:05:16,480 --> 00:05:20,724 Who seems to wake up late every day and skip breakfast. 54 00:05:20,880 --> 00:05:24,202 Who wears a cream robe after her bath 55 00:05:24,360 --> 00:05:26,806 and sometimes doesn't completely close 56 00:05:26,960 --> 00:05:28,724 her bedroom curtains. 57 00:05:30,760 --> 00:05:33,161 Or "RW." 58 00:05:34,160 --> 00:05:36,288 Who cycles to the university most days off. 59 00:05:36,440 --> 00:05:38,329 Somewhere in the Lisburn Road. 60 00:05:38,480 --> 00:05:40,369 Always brings her lunch with her 61 00:05:40,520 --> 00:05:42,249 and eats in the Botanic Gardens. 62 00:05:43,440 --> 00:05:47,286 Who has clear, pale skin, wears close-fitting clothes 63 00:05:47,440 --> 00:05:50,603 and walks with a short stride that Spector likes. 64 00:05:53,360 --> 00:05:55,647 Where on the continuum of his violence 65 00:05:55,800 --> 00:05:57,802 do these journals fit? 66 00:05:59,680 --> 00:06:01,967 Are they just fantasies that sustain him? 67 00:06:02,120 --> 00:06:04,088 Feed his appetites? 68 00:06:04,240 --> 00:06:06,242 Or are they a record? 69 00:06:08,480 --> 00:06:10,482 Of nine more murders? 70 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:15,891 What time of day is it? Morning, afternoon, night? 71 00:06:17,560 --> 00:06:19,847 - Morning. - Where are we? 72 00:06:22,640 --> 00:06:24,608 Belfast General Hospital. 73 00:06:25,920 --> 00:06:27,809 Can you remember the name of your nurse? 74 00:06:32,680 --> 00:06:34,682 Kiera. 75 00:06:35,760 --> 00:06:37,842 Are you married? Or do you have a partner? 76 00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:40,731 I'm married. 77 00:06:40,880 --> 00:06:42,928 Can you remember any other family members? 78 00:06:46,080 --> 00:06:50,165 Sally-Ann has a father, John. 79 00:06:50,320 --> 00:06:52,129 And a mother, Carol. 80 00:06:52,280 --> 00:06:54,851 We call her CC. 81 00:06:55,000 --> 00:06:57,321 And what about you? 82 00:06:59,680 --> 00:07:02,286 - Me? - Do you have any family? 83 00:07:03,960 --> 00:07:06,361 - No. - Why is that? 84 00:07:08,520 --> 00:07:10,682 My mother died. 85 00:07:10,840 --> 00:07:12,842 And what about your father? 86 00:07:15,080 --> 00:07:17,970 When I was growing up, he was known as Peter Baldwin. 87 00:07:19,440 --> 00:07:24,890 I thought that man was... my father, until he left us. 88 00:07:26,960 --> 00:07:30,123 My mother told me that he wasn't my real father, 89 00:07:30,280 --> 00:07:33,204 just...just a man. 90 00:07:35,960 --> 00:07:37,962 When did you become Paul Spector? 91 00:07:40,440 --> 00:07:44,206 Erm...just before I met Sally-Ann. 92 00:07:45,880 --> 00:07:48,201 Why did you change? 93 00:07:50,680 --> 00:07:54,765 I wanted a...clean start. New life. 94 00:07:54,920 --> 00:07:56,922 Why is that? 95 00:07:58,120 --> 00:08:00,122 Not sure. 96 00:08:01,840 --> 00:08:03,888 Has that new life worked for you? 97 00:08:14,120 --> 00:08:15,849 The sheer volume of garments 98 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:20,210 suggest there were very many fetish burglaries at that time. 99 00:08:20,360 --> 00:08:24,843 His journals talk of... climbing scaffolding... 100 00:08:25,000 --> 00:08:27,367 ...finding windows open, doors unlocked. 101 00:08:27,520 --> 00:08:29,488 Alarms not set. 102 00:08:30,680 --> 00:08:33,206 I took this photograph to be of a woman. 103 00:08:34,440 --> 00:08:36,807 On closer inspection... 104 00:08:36,960 --> 00:08:38,962 it's clear it's a mannequin. 105 00:08:40,800 --> 00:08:42,802 And these pictures of him... 106 00:08:45,200 --> 00:08:49,000 ...the bondage... the auto-asphyxiation... 107 00:08:50,960 --> 00:08:54,726 ...introduce a new element to our understanding 108 00:08:54,880 --> 00:08:56,484 of his sexual behaviour. 109 00:08:57,920 --> 00:09:00,321 Has any information returned to you 110 00:09:00,480 --> 00:09:02,721 over the last 12 hours, voluntarily? 111 00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:07,002 Don't think so. 112 00:09:08,640 --> 00:09:10,404 Hold this in your hand. 113 00:09:11,640 --> 00:09:15,326 Keep it safe. Can you give it back to me in 15 minutes' time? 114 00:09:16,360 --> 00:09:18,601 Yes. 115 00:09:18,760 --> 00:09:20,922 Who's the British Prime Minister? 116 00:09:22,600 --> 00:09:24,090 Tony Blair. 117 00:09:26,320 --> 00:09:27,810 Have you heard of Facebook? 118 00:09:29,600 --> 00:09:31,602 - Yes. - What is it? 119 00:09:32,760 --> 00:09:36,845 It's erm...it's a social networking thing. 120 00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:39,401 And what about Twitter? 121 00:09:43,320 --> 00:09:45,049 Don't know what that is. 122 00:09:45,200 --> 00:09:47,362 So you don't know what a tweet is or tweeting? 123 00:09:51,040 --> 00:09:53,008 The sound a bird makes. 124 00:09:55,560 --> 00:09:57,562 What's a hashtag? 125 00:10:00,480 --> 00:10:02,482 No idea. 126 00:10:03,640 --> 00:10:07,042 Presumably I'm supposed to know what these things are? 127 00:10:08,960 --> 00:10:10,962 Maybe. 128 00:10:13,160 --> 00:10:17,051 The main thing is we identify and find these women. 129 00:10:18,800 --> 00:10:20,290 Use the initials. 130 00:10:20,440 --> 00:10:24,047 Look at solved or unsolved sexually motivated murders 131 00:10:24,200 --> 00:10:27,044 or attempted murders, particularly strangulations, 132 00:10:27,200 --> 00:10:29,089 occurring in homes and apartments. 133 00:10:29,240 --> 00:10:34,485 Check Missing Persons for suspected foul play. 134 00:10:36,440 --> 00:10:39,011 We need to know if these women are alive or dead. 135 00:10:42,840 --> 00:10:45,081 I think that's all, unless there's anything else? 136 00:10:45,240 --> 00:10:47,447 We've confirmed the list of children's homes 137 00:10:47,600 --> 00:10:50,331 Spector was in following the death of his mother. 138 00:10:50,480 --> 00:10:53,324 We have lists of all his fellow pupils, 139 00:10:53,480 --> 00:10:55,369 including those at Gortnacull. 140 00:10:55,520 --> 00:10:57,727 Any news on the Benedetto girl? 141 00:10:57,880 --> 00:11:00,884 Uniforms called at her house this morning, ma'am. 142 00:11:01,040 --> 00:11:02,530 She didn't come home last night. 143 00:11:02,680 --> 00:11:04,444 Her mother has no idea where she is. 144 00:11:04,600 --> 00:11:06,967 A warrant's been issued for her arrest. 145 00:11:09,760 --> 00:11:11,762 Thank you, all. 146 00:11:13,080 --> 00:11:15,242 What's the last full day you remember? 147 00:11:18,880 --> 00:11:21,486 It was with Olivia. 148 00:11:21,640 --> 00:11:23,642 Go on. 149 00:11:25,200 --> 00:11:28,363 Erm... I took her to a playgroup. 150 00:11:28,520 --> 00:11:30,761 A musical playgroup. 151 00:11:32,560 --> 00:11:34,562 She loves dancing. 152 00:11:35,720 --> 00:11:39,406 And er...they all sing songs. 153 00:11:39,560 --> 00:11:42,291 Wheels On The Bus. 154 00:11:42,440 --> 00:11:44,727 She touches all the right places 155 00:11:44,880 --> 00:11:47,451 when she does Head, Shoulders, Knees And Toes. 156 00:11:50,560 --> 00:11:53,723 Then we er... went for lunch in the park. 157 00:11:56,520 --> 00:11:59,330 She was... peddling on her tricycle. 158 00:12:01,880 --> 00:12:05,646 There's a pair of swans on the water there. 159 00:12:05,800 --> 00:12:09,009 Nine or ten babies. Ugly ducklings. 160 00:12:11,440 --> 00:12:13,363 She was talking loads. 161 00:12:13,520 --> 00:12:18,128 She's always getting me to play "make believe" with her. 162 00:12:18,280 --> 00:12:20,487 It sounds to me like Olivia's about two years old? 163 00:12:20,640 --> 00:12:22,529 Yeah. 164 00:12:22,680 --> 00:12:24,682 But she isn't, is she? 165 00:14:00,760 --> 00:14:03,491 Can you describe what the memory loss feels like to you? 166 00:14:10,440 --> 00:14:12,442 Well... 167 00:14:13,440 --> 00:14:16,171 ...it feels like it's night-time and... 168 00:14:18,000 --> 00:14:20,207 ...there's a thunderstorm and... 169 00:14:20,360 --> 00:14:22,647 I'm standing on a hillside. 170 00:14:23,760 --> 00:14:28,322 I've been asked to...to draw a map of the valley below. 171 00:14:30,320 --> 00:14:32,846 There's lightning flashes. 172 00:14:33,000 --> 00:14:36,766 They light up the land, but only for a few seconds. 173 00:14:36,920 --> 00:14:38,922 Not long enough to draw the map. 174 00:14:47,960 --> 00:14:49,928 Can you recall who are you? 175 00:14:50,080 --> 00:14:53,129 In the sense of what you were like and what you're like now? 176 00:14:53,280 --> 00:14:56,090 Your trait characteristics? 177 00:14:58,240 --> 00:15:00,242 Erm... 178 00:15:01,600 --> 00:15:03,602 I'm told I have a son. 179 00:15:05,440 --> 00:15:09,729 I have no reason to think that people are lying to me, but... 180 00:15:11,240 --> 00:15:13,242 ...I don't feel it. 181 00:15:15,200 --> 00:15:17,601 I'm told I'm in trouble with the police. 182 00:15:19,360 --> 00:15:21,362 I don't know what I've done. 183 00:15:24,880 --> 00:15:27,724 I think that... I might be different, 184 00:15:27,880 --> 00:15:30,565 but...I don't know how. 185 00:15:32,840 --> 00:15:36,049 I feel like... I'm an all right person. 186 00:16:03,320 --> 00:16:05,527 It'll all come back to me, won't it? 187 00:16:06,840 --> 00:16:09,411 Your anterograde memory is working well. 188 00:16:12,040 --> 00:16:15,328 Anything else you've forgotten, you can relearn. 189 00:16:18,840 --> 00:16:20,842 But the ownership has gone. 190 00:17:03,320 --> 00:17:04,924 - Gibson. - Patrick Spencer. 191 00:17:05,080 --> 00:17:07,401 ICU consultant, Belfast General Hospital. 192 00:17:08,400 --> 00:17:10,129 Thank you for calling me back, Doctor. 193 00:17:10,280 --> 00:17:11,645 I understand he's conscious. 194 00:17:11,800 --> 00:17:15,247 Yes. His physiology is normalising. 195 00:17:15,400 --> 00:17:18,290 He's cardiovascularly stable, and he's made good progress 196 00:17:18,440 --> 00:17:20,124 given the massive insult 197 00:17:20,280 --> 00:17:22,726 and blood loss from the bullet wounds. 198 00:17:22,880 --> 00:17:26,566 - But? - But there is an issue. 199 00:17:26,720 --> 00:17:28,722 Although his short-term memory 200 00:17:28,880 --> 00:17:30,769 seems to be functioning adequately... 201 00:17:31,800 --> 00:17:33,643 ...it seems Mr. Spector has suffered 202 00:17:33,800 --> 00:17:36,531 quite extensive long-term memory loss. 203 00:17:46,600 --> 00:17:48,602 OK. 204 00:17:49,920 --> 00:17:52,844 Just gonna move your legs to the edge of the bed here. 205 00:17:54,360 --> 00:17:56,362 OK. And now I'm gonna take your arm out. 206 00:17:59,280 --> 00:18:01,169 OK, here we go. 207 00:18:07,040 --> 00:18:10,010 Keep going. Right, yeah... 208 00:18:12,280 --> 00:18:15,045 - Yeah. 209 00:18:18,560 --> 00:18:20,562 That's good. Well done. 210 00:18:22,760 --> 00:18:25,081 Apparently, he's docile. 211 00:18:25,240 --> 00:18:27,322 Well-orientated in time and space, 212 00:18:27,480 --> 00:18:30,165 and has established good relations 213 00:18:30,320 --> 00:18:31,685 with his doctors and nurses. 214 00:18:31,840 --> 00:18:33,171 Oh, for pity's sake... 215 00:18:34,440 --> 00:18:36,761 Seems he can acquire new information, 216 00:18:36,920 --> 00:18:38,809 and keep track of his medical procedures, 217 00:18:38,960 --> 00:18:42,601 but he has almost no recollection of the events 218 00:18:42,760 --> 00:18:45,161 that have taken place over the last six years or so. 219 00:18:45,320 --> 00:18:47,891 Are we supposed to be taking this seriously? 220 00:18:49,040 --> 00:18:51,361 I think we have to. 221 00:18:51,520 --> 00:18:54,524 Are they linking this...this impairment 222 00:18:54,680 --> 00:18:56,842 directly to the shooting? 223 00:18:57,000 --> 00:19:01,085 The nature of the amnesia has not been established yet. 224 00:19:01,240 --> 00:19:03,163 It might be organic. 225 00:19:03,320 --> 00:19:05,243 An injury to the brain 226 00:19:05,400 --> 00:19:08,768 because of blood loss or resultant lack of oxygen. 227 00:19:08,920 --> 00:19:11,491 Or it could be psychogenic. 228 00:19:11,640 --> 00:19:13,847 A result, perhaps, of trauma. 229 00:19:14,920 --> 00:19:17,685 But until they do an MRI scan, they can't really say. 230 00:19:19,240 --> 00:19:20,969 So perform the MRI scan. 231 00:19:22,000 --> 00:19:23,968 Spector has retained metal fragments 232 00:19:24,120 --> 00:19:26,122 from the bullet in his body. 233 00:19:26,280 --> 00:19:30,365 If they contain iron, the fragments can be heated up 234 00:19:30,520 --> 00:19:32,602 and the magnet could drag them through the body 235 00:19:32,760 --> 00:19:34,649 and cause more organ damage. 236 00:19:34,800 --> 00:19:37,007 Are they conducting psychological tests yet? 237 00:19:37,160 --> 00:19:38,400 Yes, they are. 238 00:19:38,560 --> 00:19:41,962 The consultant neuropsychologist is an Alison Walden. 239 00:19:42,120 --> 00:19:43,360 But Jim's right. 240 00:19:43,520 --> 00:19:46,126 He must be feigning, surely, or at the very least, 241 00:19:46,280 --> 00:19:47,770 exaggerating his symptoms. 242 00:19:47,920 --> 00:19:49,684 To what end? 243 00:19:49,840 --> 00:19:51,171 The law does not concern itself 244 00:19:51,320 --> 00:19:53,800 with the present state of mind of the criminal defendant, 245 00:19:53,960 --> 00:19:57,043 only the state of mind at the time the crime was committed. 246 00:19:57,200 --> 00:20:00,249 And Spector's was clearly conveyed in his confession. 247 00:20:00,400 --> 00:20:01,925 He clearly understood the difference 248 00:20:02,080 --> 00:20:05,527 between right and wrong at the time of the crimes. 249 00:20:05,680 --> 00:20:08,445 And therefore, he will be held accountable. 250 00:20:08,600 --> 00:20:11,251 But it is founded on memory-based evidence. 251 00:20:12,320 --> 00:20:14,687 If he's saying that he can't remember any of the crimes 252 00:20:14,840 --> 00:20:17,241 it poses all sorts of problems for the courts. 253 00:20:18,280 --> 00:20:21,170 It's almost like he's claiming that he's innocent. 254 00:20:21,320 --> 00:20:23,687 It seems there's more than usual pressure 255 00:20:23,840 --> 00:20:26,525 to build the evidential case against him. 256 00:20:28,360 --> 00:20:30,442 That's precisely what we're doing, sir. 257 00:20:32,920 --> 00:20:35,241 What will happen to him if the defence does ask 258 00:20:35,400 --> 00:20:36,890 for a mental health assessment? 259 00:20:37,040 --> 00:20:40,522 His potential dangerousness suggests a forensic unit, 260 00:20:40,680 --> 00:20:42,762 rather than a hospital ward. 261 00:20:42,920 --> 00:20:44,570 And where would that be? 262 00:20:44,720 --> 00:20:46,927 The Foyle Clinic in East Belfast. 263 00:20:47,080 --> 00:20:48,969 Who will assess him? 264 00:20:49,120 --> 00:20:50,770 August Larson. 265 00:20:50,920 --> 00:20:53,366 He's the consultant forensic psychiatrist. 266 00:20:53,520 --> 00:20:55,409 Very experienced. 267 00:20:55,560 --> 00:20:57,961 Very used to giving expert testimony in court. 268 00:20:59,760 --> 00:21:01,808 The sooner we get him out of the hands of the medics 269 00:21:01,960 --> 00:21:04,406 and back into the justice system, the better. 270 00:21:20,560 --> 00:21:22,562 Thanks, Alison. 271 00:21:35,760 --> 00:21:38,604 Kiera Sheridan, Mr. Spector's dedicated nurse. 272 00:21:38,760 --> 00:21:40,364 She provides him with one-to-one care. 273 00:21:40,520 --> 00:21:43,251 She will limit your visit if patient status warrants it. 274 00:21:43,400 --> 00:21:45,641 - Thank you. - She'll show you in. 275 00:21:53,160 --> 00:21:55,003 What about the wife? 276 00:21:56,280 --> 00:21:59,011 I'm worried about her. 277 00:21:59,160 --> 00:22:01,925 It's obviously been a devastating blow to her, 278 00:22:02,080 --> 00:22:04,287 as it would be to anyone who seems to have had... 279 00:22:04,440 --> 00:22:06,602 no real suspicions. 280 00:22:06,760 --> 00:22:11,402 There's no possibility of her repeating the offence. 281 00:22:11,560 --> 00:22:14,769 She's admitted her guilt, she's corrected the facts. 282 00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:17,730 She might even end up being a witness for the prosecution. 283 00:22:19,680 --> 00:22:21,569 I think we should drop the charges. 284 00:22:21,720 --> 00:22:23,449 If she'd told the truth in the first place 285 00:22:23,600 --> 00:22:25,489 about Spector's whereabouts, 286 00:22:25,640 --> 00:22:28,371 then we could have investigated him more closely. 287 00:22:28,520 --> 00:22:29,760 And perhaps Rose Stagg 288 00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:32,287 would not have been put through the ordeal that she has. 289 00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:38,321 I just feel that pursuing her through the courts 290 00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:40,084 will likely have a very bad effect 291 00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:42,242 on her mental and physical health. 292 00:22:43,680 --> 00:22:47,810 Is prosecution really in the public interest? 293 00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:49,928 As Director of Public Prosecutions, 294 00:22:50,080 --> 00:22:51,969 I have to say I think it is. 295 00:22:52,120 --> 00:22:54,441 How things will unfold with Spector is unclear. 296 00:22:54,600 --> 00:22:57,171 Prosecuting his wife sends a clear signal. 297 00:22:58,520 --> 00:22:59,760 We mean business 298 00:22:59,920 --> 00:23:02,321 and no-one involved will be getting off lightly. 299 00:23:05,800 --> 00:23:09,088 Sally-Ann Spector miscarried in police custody. 300 00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:14,323 That's a devastating thing to happen to any woman... 301 00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:15,641 but particularly her. 302 00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:18,451 Her identity is wrapped up in her children 303 00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:20,250 and those that she cares for. 304 00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:22,528 She's perceived as an angel 305 00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:26,207 by the parents of the babies she looks after in the NICU. 306 00:23:26,360 --> 00:23:29,364 Now it appears as if she's lost everything. 307 00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:33,411 Her marriage, her...work, her unborn child. 308 00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:38,531 She's paid a very high price for her naivety. 309 00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:41,604 I can't believe that of all people, you are suggesting 310 00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:44,081 that we treat Sally-Ann paternalistically. 311 00:23:46,120 --> 00:23:48,441 I say we move ahead with the charges 312 00:23:48,600 --> 00:23:50,807 and we can use them as leverage against Spector. 313 00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:52,689 I do think we need to bear in mind 314 00:23:52,840 --> 00:23:55,320 the seriousness of the offence. 315 00:23:59,040 --> 00:24:02,010 We accepted instructions on your behalf from your wife 316 00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:03,730 when you were unconscious. 317 00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:06,087 Today is an opportunity for you to say 318 00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:09,289 if you're happy for us to be representing you. 319 00:24:10,360 --> 00:24:13,011 I believe that the nature of your injuries 320 00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:15,128 has been explained to you? 321 00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:16,770 Yes. 322 00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:19,002 And you understand that you were in police custody 323 00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:21,447 - when you were shot? - Yes. 324 00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:24,001 But I still don't know why. No-one will tell me. 325 00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:29,690 An individual called James Tyler was responsible. 326 00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:41,606 I don't know who that is. Why did he shoot me? 327 00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:43,808 I need to get more information from the police 328 00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:45,849 before I can explain that. 329 00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:48,287 The more pressing issue, Mr. Spector, 330 00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:51,011 is that the police have charged you 331 00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:52,844 with a number of very serious crimes. 332 00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:56,368 I mean...the most serious crimes on the statute book. 333 00:24:57,840 --> 00:25:00,650 - What crimes? - A series of murders. 334 00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:07,841 What...what sort of murders? 335 00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:10,285 With your permission, 336 00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:13,171 let me take you through the police charge sheet. 337 00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:18,726 All the er...alleged crimes took place in Belfast. 338 00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:24,042 The police claim that on the tenth day of December, 2011, 339 00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:26,567 you murdered university lecturer Fiona Gallagher 340 00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:29,326 in her home, before fleeing the scene. 341 00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:31,482 Death by strangulation. 342 00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:36,840 That on the 15th of March, 2012... 343 00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:41,487 ...you murdered architect Alice Munroe in her home, 344 00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:43,642 strangling her with a ligature. 345 00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:47,610 They allege that you then washed and dried her body 346 00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:51,685 before putting her back to bed and posing her body. 347 00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:56,323 That on the 16th of April, 2012, 348 00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:59,484 you murdered solicitor Sarah Kay in her home, 349 00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:01,722 strangling her with a ligature. 350 00:26:03,360 --> 00:26:08,400 They allege that you washed and dried Sarah's body. 351 00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:10,642 Washed and dried her bedclothes... 352 00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:14,445 ...painted her fingernails red... 353 00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:17,843 ...before posing her in her bed and taking photographs. 354 00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:22,086 Sarah Kay was pregnant at the time of her death. 355 00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:29,644 That four days later, on the 20th of April, 2012... 356 00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:33,529 ...you attacked and strangled 357 00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:36,286 accountant Annie Brawley in her home. 358 00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:42,846 They claim that you also murdered her brother, 359 00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:44,445 Joseph Brawley, 360 00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:46,568 when he tried to defend his sister. 361 00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:51,123 Stabbing him three times with some decorating shears. 362 00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:53,203 You then fled the scene. 363 00:26:53,360 --> 00:26:55,442 Annie Brawley survived the attack. 364 00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:02,811 I don't recognise any of these people. 365 00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:04,769 I've never seen these people before. 366 00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:08,805 There's more. 367 00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:11,440 They allege that on May 3rd, 368 00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:14,922 you abducted Rose Stagg from her home. 369 00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:18,248 Imprisoned her unlawfully 370 00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:20,402 and detained her against her will. 371 00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:28,802 I know her. 372 00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:33,208 - Rose what? Who did you say? - Stagg. 373 00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:37,565 Perhaps you know Mrs. Stagg better as Rose McGill. 374 00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:42,802 Yes. 375 00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:48,246 But I haven't seen her for the last four years or so. 376 00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:51,482 When did you last see her, do you think? 377 00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:57,842 Early summer, 2002. 378 00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:02,729 2002 is ten years ago, not four. 379 00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:05,645 Have you been listening to the charges, Mr. Spector? 380 00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:07,131 It's May 2012. 381 00:28:11,360 --> 00:28:14,443 I'm sorry. I'm sorry. 382 00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:21,167 What happened to Rose? 383 00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:23,322 She's alive. 384 00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:27,324 The police say you led them to her. 385 00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:29,721 She was found in the boot of her own car. 386 00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:32,611 The police suggest you left her trapped. 387 00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:34,762 Left her to die. 388 00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:41,722 Why would I do that to Rose? 389 00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:09,326 The police say they have a confession. 390 00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:11,687 That you made a number of admissions. 391 00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:16,285 I erm...have no memory of that. 392 00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:18,841 We think it makes sense for your first appearance in court 393 00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:20,081 to be as soon as possible, 394 00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:23,050 because it will initiate the evidential disclosure process. 395 00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:24,486 Will you be strong enough? 396 00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:28,329 Once we are in receipt of those documents 397 00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:30,323 we will look at the detail of that confession 398 00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:33,051 and take you through every bit of evidence against you. 399 00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:36,204 Every witness statement, page by page, line by line. 400 00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:39,762 Is that all clear? 401 00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:44,089 Yes. 402 00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:46,242 Any questions? 403 00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:54,207 I just need some time for it all to sink in. 404 00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:56,362 Of course. 405 00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:00,642 Do you know who that is? 406 00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:09,122 No. Should I? 407 00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:11,851 If any memories relevant to the case return to you, 408 00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:14,002 please contact Louise here. 409 00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:18,562 We're here to help you, Mr. Spector. 410 00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:22,845 We will guide you through this. 411 00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:25,002 Thank you. 412 00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:16,326 Sorry, ma'am. Rose Stagg is here to see you. 413 00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:22,601 Set up an interview room, Dani. I'd like you to sit in. 414 00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:24,808 Of course. 415 00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:33,487 I woke to find him in bed with me. 416 00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:42,725 He took me downstairs, his hand over my mouth. 417 00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:44,882 He took me into the kitchen. 418 00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:49,084 Go on. 419 00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:54,729 He used my name. He called me Rose. 420 00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:03,331 I felt perhaps I recognised the voice. 421 00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:09,765 He said he didn't want to hurt me or my lovely family. 422 00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:13,562 But that he would if I cried out. 423 00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:19,442 And then he released me. 424 00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:25,091 When I turned round, I recognised him. 425 00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:31,282 What did you think in that moment? 426 00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:38,802 Just for a moment... 427 00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:41,882 ...I thought that maybe it would be all right. 428 00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:45,282 That maybe it was a joke. 429 00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:48,362 A game. 430 00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:03,762 What did you say? 431 00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:07,527 I just said, "Peter?" 432 00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:17,562 He...he made me dress 433 00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:20,246 from clothes that were hanging in the utility room. 434 00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:25,249 He made me write a note. He told me what to put. 435 00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:30,562 The house seemed so silent. 436 00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:35,207 The sound of the pen on the paper 437 00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:37,362 seemed really loud in my head. 438 00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:40,762 Like a whooshing. 439 00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:45,200 All I could think about was getting him out of there. 440 00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:47,124 Away from Nancy. 441 00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:51,841 Did you resist him at all? 442 00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:56,202 Er...I was numb. 443 00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:00,165 I didn't really struggle 444 00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:03,483 until he was walking me towards that awful building. 445 00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:09,602 I thought, "If he takes me in there... 446 00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:13,762 ...I'm gonna die. 447 00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:18,482 I'm gonna be the next victim." 448 00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:22,802 That's when I tried to run. 449 00:34:25,720 --> 00:34:27,722 He was too strong. 450 00:34:36,240 --> 00:34:38,242 He made tapes of you. 451 00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:42,484 We found edited versions of those tapes on his phone. 452 00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:47,130 You've seen them? 453 00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:59,447 He tied me to a chair. It was fixed to the ground. 454 00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:04,290 And he sat behind the camera so that when I looked at him... 455 00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:07,328 ...I was looking directly into the lens. 456 00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:14,802 He hardly spoke. He...he just stared at me. 457 00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:23,371 I tried everything I could to get through to him. 458 00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:28,169 I begged him. I flattered him. 459 00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:30,800 I insulted him. I tried to provoke him, even. 460 00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:35,682 He didn't respond. 461 00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:40,769 His eyes were open but it was like he was in a trance. 462 00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:44,687 Did he sexually assault you? 463 00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:49,844 No. I don't think so. 464 00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:55,484 Did he perform sex acts on himself? 465 00:35:55,640 --> 00:35:57,881 Did he masturbate in front of you? 466 00:35:58,040 --> 00:36:00,008 No, just the filming. 467 00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:07,771 Are those healing all right? 468 00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:13,482 I'm told I did it to myself. 469 00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:18,167 I've no memory of that. 470 00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:21,290 We found a broken lens from a pair of sunglasses 471 00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:23,408 in the boot of your car. 472 00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:26,450 Your blood was on them. There were no other fingerprints. 473 00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:33,651 I can't work out if it's just marks... 474 00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:37,522 ...or if it's a message. 475 00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:40,485 When I first saw it... 476 00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:45,685 ...it looked like an attempt to write, "I love you." 477 00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:58,049 Breathe. 478 00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:13,887 I always thought that I wanted...love and security. 479 00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:20,370 Now I just... feel like I'm floating free... 480 00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:24,402 ...in a void. 481 00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:35,926 You have such a strong sense of purpose. 482 00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:42,127 I feel like there's nothing beneath my feet right now. 483 00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:46,444 Like...nothing steadying them. 484 00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:52,969 It's as if I'm slightly drunk. 485 00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:56,842 Rose...Rose... 486 00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:02,927 Remember...you survived. 487 00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:09,002 You got through it. 488 00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:13,202 It's in the past. 489 00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:31,929 Paul Spector, a 32-year-old bereavement counsellor 490 00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:35,243 from South Belfast charged with four counts of murder 491 00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:39,007 is due to make his first appearance in court today. 492 00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:40,286 The four female victims, 493 00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:42,807 all young, professional women in their 30s, 494 00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:45,247 were attacked in their homes at night. 495 00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:46,481 Three of those women 496 00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:50,201 died of manual or ligature strangulation. 497 00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:52,681 Spector, a married man and father-of-two, 498 00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:54,968 is also charged with the attempted murder 499 00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:56,565 of accountant Annie Brawley 500 00:38:56,720 --> 00:38:59,200 and the abduction and unlawful imprisonment 501 00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:01,966 of Belfast radiologist Rose Stagg. 502 00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:13,402 Your head. 503 00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:35,281 I worry this is all too soon for you. 504 00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:39,207 I'll be fine. 505 00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:06,369 Detective Superintendent Gibson! 506 00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:09,251 The man you have in custody, will he be in court today? 507 00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:38,969 How are you doing? Are you ready for this? 508 00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:41,282 I'm a bit nervous, but yeah. 509 00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:44,250 Yeah. Shall we head up, then? 510 00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:23,807 Stand there. 511 00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:34,851 Look straight into the camera. 512 00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:38,083 You'll be able to see the judge and the legal teams. 513 00:41:38,240 --> 00:41:39,890 Answer any questions clearly. 514 00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:00,928 The er...prosecution has suggested 515 00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:03,003 we read the shortened version of the charge. 516 00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:06,004 - You happy enough with that? - Yeah, that's fine. 517 00:42:09,240 --> 00:42:11,527 - All rise. 518 00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:20,208 Thank you. Please sit. 519 00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:27,442 Are you ready to proceed, ma'am? 520 00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:31,402 I am. 521 00:42:34,720 --> 00:42:37,724 Mr. Spector, can you see and hear the proceedings? 522 00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:39,769 Yes. 523 00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:41,763 The charges against the accused 524 00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:44,127 are stated as four counts of murder, 525 00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:46,442 one of attempted murder, 526 00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:49,888 and one of abduction and unlawful imprisonment. 527 00:42:50,040 --> 00:42:53,328 Can you confirm for the court that you are Peter Paul Spector? 528 00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:55,369 Yes. 529 00:42:55,520 --> 00:42:59,241 That your date of birth is the 25th of May, 1979? 530 00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:01,050 That's correct. 531 00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:03,851 And that you live at 64 Tiberias Drive, 532 00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:07,322 Belfast, BT6 7KM. 533 00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:09,767 So I've been told. 534 00:43:14,040 --> 00:43:16,122 Why is he answering in that manner? 535 00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:18,442 Ma'am, if I may. 536 00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:20,648 My client has to answer in that manner 537 00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:23,371 because he has suffered significant memory loss. 538 00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:24,646 As you no doubt know, 539 00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:28,122 Mr. Spector was shot while in police custody. 540 00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:32,171 He lost his spleen as a result and was in a coma for some time. 541 00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:34,084 The reason he is appearing from hospital 542 00:43:34,240 --> 00:43:36,925 is that he is still being held there in intensive care. 543 00:43:37,080 --> 00:43:41,369 I have written reports from the ICU consultant, Dr. Spencer, 544 00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:43,568 and from the consultant neuropsychologist, 545 00:43:43,720 --> 00:43:45,210 Dr. Alison Walden, 546 00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:47,488 that explain the nature and degree 547 00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:50,246 of my client's disability. 548 00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:52,084 Dr. Walden is approved 549 00:43:52,240 --> 00:43:55,244 under part two of the Mental Health Order, 1986. 550 00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:56,765 There's information there 551 00:43:56,920 --> 00:43:59,366 about the treatment Mr. Spector's undergone 552 00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:02,649 and an account of his behaviour in hospital. 553 00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:04,290 The memory loss, you will see, 554 00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:06,522 covers a period of approximately six years 555 00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:09,923 up to and including the recent shooting. 556 00:44:11,080 --> 00:44:14,163 One of the primary foundations of criminal law 557 00:44:14,320 --> 00:44:16,891 is that all defendants are capable 558 00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:20,044 of actively participating in their defence. 559 00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:23,966 Mr. Spector's amnesia prevents him from so doing. 560 00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:27,361 Whilst Mr. Spector understands that he is in court 561 00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:30,364 and charged with a number of criminal offences, 562 00:44:30,520 --> 00:44:32,204 and understands the nature and object 563 00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:34,567 and the possible consequences of the proceedings, 564 00:44:34,720 --> 00:44:36,882 he cannot enter a plea. 565 00:44:37,040 --> 00:44:39,520 He cannot consult with, or assist his lawyer. 566 00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:42,001 He cannot give evidence in his own defence. 567 00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:44,970 On that basis, I feel I need to raise the issue of competence 568 00:44:45,120 --> 00:44:48,681 as to whether Mr. Spector is fit to stand trial. 569 00:44:48,840 --> 00:44:50,729 Mr. Healy, let me stop you there. 570 00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:53,121 The concerns you have raised are noted, 571 00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:54,964 but you know as well as I do 572 00:44:55,120 --> 00:44:57,771 that it's not a matter on which this court can adjudicate. 573 00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:05,011 Mr. Spector, do you understand 574 00:45:05,160 --> 00:45:07,606 that your case must be sent to Crown Court? 575 00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:11,446 - Yes. 576 00:45:11,600 --> 00:45:13,762 Then you will be held on remand in hospital 577 00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:15,331 until arrangements can be made 578 00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:19,246 to transfer you to a secure psychiatric clinic, 579 00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:21,323 where more tests can be done 580 00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:25,007 to determine the nature of your mental disability. 581 00:45:44,720 --> 00:45:46,484 That's the guy who's defending the murderer! 582 00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:49,246 Mr Healy, how does it feel to be defending the Belfast Strangler? 583 00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:52,051 The alleged Belfast Strangler. 584 00:45:56,840 --> 00:45:59,446 Dressed in a blue sweatshirt and tracksuit bottoms, 585 00:45:59,600 --> 00:46:02,080 Mr Spector spoke only to confirm his name and date of birth 586 00:46:02,240 --> 00:46:03,730 during the ten-minute hearing. 587 00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:06,008 At that point proceedings took a bizarre twist 588 00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:08,447 as it became apparent that the alleged serial killer 589 00:46:08,600 --> 00:46:10,967 is suffering from significant memory loss. 590 00:46:11,120 --> 00:46:13,009 Mr. Spector was remanded in custody 591 00:46:13,160 --> 00:46:15,845 to undergo further medical and psychiatric assessment. 592 00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:18,844 Following the hearing, the Public Prosecution Service 593 00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:20,729 confirmed that Sally-Ann Spector 594 00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:23,724 will appear in the Crown Court on Monday, 2nd of July, 595 00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:26,201 to face charges of perverting the course of justice. 596 00:46:26,360 --> 00:46:28,806 The prosecution claims that Mr. Spectofs wife 597 00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:31,440 provided her husband with false alibis. 598 00:46:51,600 --> 00:46:53,045 Gibson. 599 00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:55,680 Superintendent Gibson? 600 00:46:55,840 --> 00:46:57,126 Yes. 601 00:46:57,280 --> 00:47:00,090 I'm August Larson. 602 00:47:00,240 --> 00:47:01,890 I'm the consultant psychiatrist 603 00:47:02,040 --> 00:47:04,361 who's been asked to assist Paul Spector. 604 00:47:07,200 --> 00:47:09,441 It's an odd time to be calling, Doctor. 605 00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:13,809 Are you still working? 606 00:47:13,960 --> 00:47:15,849 Yes. 607 00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:18,526 Well, there you are. 608 00:47:18,680 --> 00:47:20,444 Before he's moved here, 609 00:47:20,600 --> 00:47:23,001 I need to determine the risk of violence 610 00:47:23,160 --> 00:47:27,165 towards himself and others, and plan his management. 611 00:47:28,560 --> 00:47:31,643 Have you seen the list of crimes he's been charged with? 612 00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:35,810 I received that information from the court, yes. 613 00:47:39,320 --> 00:47:42,483 In my experience, a history of previous violence 614 00:47:42,640 --> 00:47:45,484 is the best predictor for future violence 615 00:47:45,640 --> 00:47:49,850 for someone whether they are mentally disordered or not. 616 00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:54,244 And Paul Spector is a violent sexual sadist. 617 00:48:02,120 --> 00:48:04,122 Why are you so kind to me? 618 00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:10,921 If I've done the things that the...police say I've done, 619 00:48:11,080 --> 00:48:12,684 then I'm a monster. 620 00:48:14,760 --> 00:48:16,762 It's my job. 621 00:48:22,320 --> 00:48:24,322 What? 622 00:48:26,440 --> 00:48:28,807 It says in your notes that there were tears in your eyes 623 00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:30,803 during your surgery. 624 00:48:30,960 --> 00:48:32,769 That you were crying. 625 00:48:37,160 --> 00:48:38,685 Was I? 626 00:48:41,160 --> 00:48:43,049 Does that mean anything to you? 627 00:48:48,040 --> 00:48:50,042 Perhaps. 628 00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:55,763 I just can't believe the memory loss is real. 629 00:48:57,720 --> 00:49:00,849 He's just the sort of person who would feign amnesia 630 00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:03,685 if he felt there was something to be gained from it. 631 00:49:03,840 --> 00:49:06,286 Even for the sheer delight of duping people... 632 00:49:06,440 --> 00:49:08,488 particularly experts. 633 00:49:08,640 --> 00:49:12,281 Someone like me, for example? 634 00:49:13,320 --> 00:49:16,130 I'm just saying that from my conversations with him 635 00:49:16,280 --> 00:49:18,203 it seems to me that he exhibits, if anything, 636 00:49:18,360 --> 00:49:22,524 a...superior memory for his violence. 637 00:49:22,680 --> 00:49:24,569 It's clear to me... 638 00:49:24,720 --> 00:49:29,009 that he rehearsed the crimes in his mind over and over. 639 00:49:29,160 --> 00:49:31,606 They were heavily scripted. 640 00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:35,003 And so the crimes themselves were memorable, 641 00:49:35,160 --> 00:49:37,845 both in the way that they matched the script 642 00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:40,002 and in the way that they differ. 643 00:49:41,240 --> 00:49:45,689 So, in my view, it's...extremely unlikely 644 00:49:45,840 --> 00:49:48,491 that he has... forgotten anything. 645 00:49:48,640 --> 00:49:50,688 Faced with memory loss, 646 00:49:50,840 --> 00:49:53,810 there is only one way a clinician can go... 647 00:49:53,960 --> 00:49:56,201 and that is to investigate. 648 00:49:57,880 --> 00:50:01,885 If we take him here, then that is what I intend to do. 649 00:50:02,040 --> 00:50:04,850 If you have the time I'd really appreciate 650 00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:08,129 a pre-morbid appraisal of Mr. Spector from you. 651 00:50:08,280 --> 00:50:12,205 As someone who has had extensive dealings with him. 652 00:50:12,360 --> 00:50:14,647 Anything at all you can tell me about him 653 00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:16,882 would be extremely useful. 654 00:50:19,960 --> 00:50:21,962 I'll help in any way I can. 655 00:50:23,040 --> 00:50:25,327 Thank you. 656 00:50:25,480 --> 00:50:27,482 Good night. 657 00:50:28,640 --> 00:50:30,802 - Good night. 658 00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:45,651 Everything went dark. 659 00:50:45,800 --> 00:50:48,326 And did time seem to speed up or slow down? 660 00:50:50,720 --> 00:50:52,722 Sped up. 661 00:50:54,040 --> 00:50:56,042 I was rushing through a tunnel. 662 00:50:57,880 --> 00:51:01,965 And did you see or feel surrounded by a brilliant light? 663 00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:05,207 - There was a light. - Can you describe it? 664 00:51:07,320 --> 00:51:10,802 Erm...incredibly bright. Blinding. 665 00:51:10,960 --> 00:51:12,849 And hot? 666 00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:15,401 No. Not hot. 667 00:51:16,480 --> 00:51:19,404 Did you come to a border or a point of no return? 668 00:51:23,880 --> 00:51:27,202 There was a point erm... I felt I could have gone on. 669 00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:31,928 But there were voices calling me back. 670 00:51:32,080 --> 00:51:34,082 What voices? 671 00:51:34,240 --> 00:51:37,323 My daughter. Olivia. 672 00:52:05,160 --> 00:52:08,243 And was there anyone else there known to you? 673 00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:10,243 Living or dead? 674 00:52:11,720 --> 00:52:13,961 - Yes. - Who? 675 00:52:19,480 --> 00:52:21,642 I think my mother. 676 00:52:22,720 --> 00:52:24,722 And what happened? 677 00:52:26,480 --> 00:52:28,482 How did you feel in her presence? 678 00:52:37,040 --> 00:52:39,646 Afraid. 679 00:52:39,800 --> 00:52:41,564 Did she speak to you? 680 00:52:44,880 --> 00:52:47,042 She was calling me. 681 00:52:47,200 --> 00:52:50,249 I think she wanted me to come to her... 682 00:52:51,240 --> 00:52:54,005 ...towards the light. 683 00:52:54,160 --> 00:52:58,210 But there was other voices. My daughter calling me back. 684 00:53:02,160 --> 00:53:05,130 And did you want to come back to your body? 685 00:53:05,280 --> 00:53:07,089 Come back to life? 686 00:53:11,720 --> 00:53:13,722 No. 687 00:53:15,400 --> 00:53:17,402 But I couldn't just abandon her. 688 00:53:19,520 --> 00:53:21,522 Is that when you cried? 689 00:53:26,600 --> 00:53:28,409 Hey. 690 00:53:37,200 --> 00:53:39,202 Drink it all up. 691 00:53:43,720 --> 00:53:45,722 Good girl. 692 00:53:48,200 --> 00:53:50,202 Now... 693 00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:24,207 You came close to dying. 694 00:54:26,320 --> 00:54:29,164 What do you now understand death to be? 695 00:54:29,320 --> 00:54:31,607 What does death mean to you now? 696 00:54:35,200 --> 00:54:38,682 I know that life... is our only true possession. 697 00:54:41,240 --> 00:54:43,322 And death? 698 00:54:51,760 --> 00:54:53,967 I've found a murder that looks promising. 699 00:54:54,120 --> 00:54:56,043 Really? The right initials? 700 00:54:56,200 --> 00:55:01,331 That's not the connection. A law student, Susan Harper. 701 00:55:01,480 --> 00:55:03,721 Do you think she looks right? 702 00:55:03,880 --> 00:55:06,281 Yes, absolutely. Just a bit younger. 703 00:55:06,440 --> 00:55:10,286 21. The only problem is there is someone doing time for it. 704 00:55:10,440 --> 00:55:12,841 It's an individual called David Alvarez. 705 00:55:13,000 --> 00:55:15,571 Now, I remembered I saw his name yesterday 706 00:55:15,720 --> 00:55:17,529 on the list of children who were at Gortnacull 707 00:55:17,680 --> 00:55:19,205 at the same time as Spector. 708 00:55:19,360 --> 00:55:20,850 So I've done some digging. 709 00:55:21,000 --> 00:55:23,401 And they are one and the same. 710 00:55:23,560 --> 00:55:25,801 The David Alvarez who's doing time for the murder 711 00:55:25,960 --> 00:55:27,405 is the same David Alvarez 712 00:55:27,560 --> 00:55:30,166 who was a fellow pupil of Spector's at the home. 713 00:55:30,320 --> 00:55:32,402 Why was Alvarez convicted? 714 00:55:32,560 --> 00:55:36,485 His DNA on her body. A subsequent confession. 715 00:55:36,640 --> 00:55:38,642 That's pretty conclusive. 716 00:55:40,600 --> 00:55:42,329 What year is this? 717 00:55:42,480 --> 00:55:44,482 August, 2002. 718 00:55:46,240 --> 00:55:49,050 In London. 719 00:55:49,200 --> 00:55:52,841 Now there's a gap in Spector's timeline there. 720 00:55:53,000 --> 00:55:56,129 We don't know where he was or what he was doing. 721 00:55:58,040 --> 00:56:00,042 No, we don't. 722 00:57:26,800 --> 00:57:29,963 I'll see you in the morning. Try and get some sleep. 723 00:57:40,680 --> 00:57:42,887 I'll pray for you.