1 00:00:03,619 --> 00:00:06,240 Previously on The Disappearance of Maura Murray. 2 00:00:11,800 --> 00:00:13,580 February 9th, 2004. 3 00:00:14,180 --> 00:00:17,560 Maura vanishes after crashing her car. 4 00:00:17,840 --> 00:00:22,020 They had no tracks from the accident scene into the woodlands. You don't have 5 00:00:22,020 --> 00:00:23,240 any signs of foul play. 6 00:00:23,620 --> 00:00:27,360 While looking into Maura's disappearance, I pursued several 7 00:00:27,820 --> 00:00:32,020 Running away, murder, a police conspiracy. 8 00:00:35,490 --> 00:00:37,790 Fred said, well, she's all depressed. 9 00:00:38,330 --> 00:00:41,150 Go out in the woods, you step off the trail and you die. 10 00:00:42,650 --> 00:00:43,650 Hello. 11 00:00:44,150 --> 00:00:46,830 I've explored what led Maura to take off that day. 12 00:00:47,890 --> 00:00:51,010 I asked her if everything was okay and it sounded like she was crying. 13 00:00:51,430 --> 00:00:53,950 I think she was running from the men in her life. 14 00:00:54,410 --> 00:00:58,330 I thought we were really close, but everyone's got their secrets. 15 00:01:00,290 --> 00:01:02,230 The Murray family and others. 16 00:01:02,950 --> 00:01:04,010 Blame law enforcement. 17 00:01:04,390 --> 00:01:09,590 Their guy on the scene of a missing girl that hasn't been seen in 13 years. What 18 00:01:09,590 --> 00:01:10,590 did you do, mister? 19 00:01:10,870 --> 00:01:12,230 Do you wish you had gone back? 20 00:01:12,870 --> 00:01:16,610 Sometimes I think that I may have disappeared too if I did. 21 00:01:17,270 --> 00:01:22,110 But after unprecedented access to the investigation, we didn't find a 22 00:01:22,110 --> 00:01:26,210 conspiracy. What, the local police did something to Maura Murray? 23 00:01:26,550 --> 00:01:28,070 What is that based on? 24 00:01:28,910 --> 00:01:31,350 Which leads Art and I to a final conclusion. 25 00:01:31,900 --> 00:01:35,840 The most likely scenario is that she got into a car with somebody and was met 26 00:01:35,840 --> 00:01:36,840 with foul play. 27 00:01:36,920 --> 00:01:37,920 She was murdered. 28 00:01:39,560 --> 00:01:40,660 But who did it? 29 00:01:41,300 --> 00:01:42,300 And why? 30 00:01:43,480 --> 00:01:46,980 I mean, more than likely, it's human blood if it's up here in this room. 31 00:01:47,580 --> 00:01:49,560 Could this house hold the key? 32 00:01:51,380 --> 00:01:57,000 We have a house searched by canines, and they were getting a hit in this closet. 33 00:01:58,400 --> 00:02:00,100 Well, there could be something there. 34 00:02:20,920 --> 00:02:27,540 Really? The phenol saline test is a color -based test, so you'll be able to 35 00:02:27,540 --> 00:02:29,980 a really bright pink color develop. 36 00:02:30,520 --> 00:02:32,140 If blood is present. 37 00:02:35,120 --> 00:02:39,420 We're testing evidence from a house where it's rumored Maura was murdered. 38 00:02:40,020 --> 00:02:44,100 This is huge. This is all that is left of the house. 39 00:02:48,520 --> 00:02:53,820 Maura's father, Fred, acquired a bloody knife from the A -frame house. A knife, 40 00:02:53,900 --> 00:02:57,380 he was told, might have been used in Maura's murder. 41 00:02:57,780 --> 00:02:59,680 The police accepted the knife. 42 00:03:00,140 --> 00:03:02,120 but won't tell us if they've tested it. 43 00:03:02,600 --> 00:03:07,380 These wood chips are the next best thing, because the blood is from the 44 00:03:07,380 --> 00:03:08,600 alleged incident. 45 00:03:09,640 --> 00:03:15,220 If the Q -tip turns pink, it means we have a positive for blood, either animal 46 00:03:15,220 --> 00:03:16,420 or human. 47 00:03:17,080 --> 00:03:21,720 And if it's human blood, the answer could lead to solving Maura's 48 00:03:30,730 --> 00:03:35,550 I do see some faint color showing up, but it's extremely faint. 49 00:03:36,570 --> 00:03:41,350 I'm actually encouraged to see even a slight reaction. 50 00:03:42,030 --> 00:03:45,330 So what is the best thing we should do right now with the wood chip? 51 00:03:45,550 --> 00:03:49,710 I think the best move forward is to go ahead and send it to DNA. 52 00:03:52,730 --> 00:03:56,930 As we wait for a lab to tell us if it's human blood on the chip and if the blood 53 00:03:56,930 --> 00:03:57,930 is Maura's, 54 00:03:58,380 --> 00:04:04,400 I think about everything we've done, the theories we've debunked, and the many 55 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:05,800 people we've spoken with. 56 00:04:06,740 --> 00:04:13,200 To be honest, it feels in many ways like we've hit a roadblock, or worse, that 57 00:04:13,200 --> 00:04:14,320 we have nothing left. 58 00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:19,959 And if we have nothing left, and nothing left to lose, why not take a shot on 59 00:04:19,959 --> 00:04:21,660 something controversial? 60 00:04:23,610 --> 00:04:27,970 Medium Allison Dubois has been helping solve crimes for over 20 years. 61 00:04:28,750 --> 00:04:32,930 She's worked with police departments in Arizona as well as the Texas Rangers. 62 00:04:33,730 --> 00:04:37,750 She's even had a TV series made based on her life experiences. 63 00:04:38,270 --> 00:04:39,490 It's called Medium. 64 00:04:41,170 --> 00:04:43,290 Art and I have invited her to New Hampshire. 65 00:04:44,910 --> 00:04:45,910 Hi. Hi. 66 00:04:46,210 --> 00:04:47,990 Maggie, nice to meet you. Hi, Allison. 67 00:04:48,250 --> 00:04:50,650 Hi, Allison. Art Roderick, good to meet you. Thanks for coming in. 68 00:04:51,720 --> 00:04:54,280 We haven't told Allison anything about this case. 69 00:04:55,020 --> 00:04:59,220 She only knew she was flying into Manchester, New Hampshire, and that the 70 00:04:59,220 --> 00:05:01,460 was about a missing woman, nothing more. 71 00:05:02,780 --> 00:05:06,460 So your process is you know nothing about this case at all. I know nothing 72 00:05:06,460 --> 00:05:09,920 this case. If I knew something about it, I actually couldn't work it, because 73 00:05:09,920 --> 00:05:11,780 otherwise it taints. 74 00:05:12,200 --> 00:05:16,380 What I get when I go to a crime scene and I really want to go off of nothing 75 00:05:16,380 --> 00:05:17,600 just go off of my impressions. 76 00:05:17,820 --> 00:05:21,860 And then I convey that information to you. And then you ask me either to take 77 00:05:21,860 --> 00:05:26,260 further or let's go down this road. Let's look at that. And then I go there. 78 00:05:26,500 --> 00:05:29,420 So I like to start with a wave of nothing. 79 00:05:29,840 --> 00:05:30,840 So it's pure. 80 00:05:30,960 --> 00:05:32,700 What do you need from us? How do you want to start? 81 00:05:33,500 --> 00:05:35,380 Photograph. Sure. And name. 82 00:05:36,100 --> 00:05:38,960 This is Maura Murray. 83 00:05:39,530 --> 00:05:44,170 And the month and day she was born? She was born May 4th. Okay. 84 00:05:44,450 --> 00:05:48,530 I know that this process seems strange to people. I have to put pencil to paper 85 00:05:48,530 --> 00:05:50,010 for it to, like, click with me. 86 00:05:50,630 --> 00:05:52,650 So, okay. 87 00:06:00,150 --> 00:06:06,330 One of the things about this young woman, she wouldn't stay away 88 00:06:06,330 --> 00:06:07,330 willingly. 89 00:06:08,510 --> 00:06:10,610 Like she wouldn't not come back. 90 00:06:12,070 --> 00:06:14,410 Do you sense that she's still alive? 91 00:06:18,510 --> 00:06:24,290 How is this going to be aired for the parents? 92 00:06:27,110 --> 00:06:30,190 My sense is that she's not alive. 93 00:06:33,950 --> 00:06:37,230 Do you feel anything? Normally she wouldn't like. 94 00:06:37,850 --> 00:06:42,330 get into a car with somebody that she just met or that she didn't know that 95 00:06:42,330 --> 00:06:45,530 well. But you say vehicle. You said a car. 96 00:06:45,790 --> 00:06:46,790 Tell me about it. 97 00:06:47,030 --> 00:06:52,050 I just kept seeing a car as being a part of, like, maybe she took a ride from 98 00:06:52,050 --> 00:06:58,650 him. I did get the sense that someone she knows is either involved or 99 00:06:58,650 --> 00:07:03,190 knows the person who she was last with. 100 00:07:04,080 --> 00:07:08,620 Because her friends seem to be key to me. It's almost like some of them know 101 00:07:08,620 --> 00:07:13,040 pieces of information that they haven't shared because they don't think it's 102 00:07:13,040 --> 00:07:15,660 important or they're not putting it together. 103 00:07:16,140 --> 00:07:21,320 There are more than a couple people that know what happened to her. If it was 104 00:07:21,320 --> 00:07:25,980 one person that initially removed her, there were other accomplices that helped 105 00:07:25,980 --> 00:07:28,780 cover up some of the elements of this crime. 106 00:07:29,300 --> 00:07:33,280 So that's what I would be looking at, people that will connect you. 107 00:07:33,630 --> 00:07:34,630 To him. 108 00:07:35,710 --> 00:07:37,110 You said to him. 109 00:07:37,690 --> 00:07:43,110 Yeah, it almost feels like a guy who would be unassuming, like he could smile 110 00:07:43,110 --> 00:07:45,650 you and you'd trust him. Does she know that person? 111 00:07:47,270 --> 00:07:53,810 It feels like she had seen him before or met him before, but they weren't, 112 00:07:53,810 --> 00:07:56,170 like, close. 113 00:07:56,870 --> 00:08:01,950 I have to reemphasize that Allison told us she knew nothing about this case. 114 00:08:02,400 --> 00:08:03,580 prior to coming here today. 115 00:08:04,060 --> 00:08:07,860 So if she is actually connecting the dots, it's kind of freaky. 116 00:08:08,560 --> 00:08:14,040 A car, the idea that Maura got a ride with someone she knew, it all links to 117 00:08:14,040 --> 00:08:19,160 possibility of a tandem driver, but not in the way we originally explored. 118 00:08:19,760 --> 00:08:25,100 Where we once considered that a tandem driver helped Maura escape her life, 119 00:08:25,100 --> 00:08:29,340 version shows a person or people taking her life. 120 00:08:30,380 --> 00:08:34,919 He has a predatory element to him, more of like Ted Bundy. 121 00:08:35,140 --> 00:08:38,659 He'd be somebody that you would assume could never do that because they 122 00:08:38,659 --> 00:08:41,520 have to because they're charming, you know. 123 00:08:41,740 --> 00:08:46,000 So you mentioned Ted Bundy. This sounds like a serial killer. 124 00:08:46,500 --> 00:08:50,140 She wouldn't have been the only victim that he had. 125 00:08:50,580 --> 00:08:52,440 This isn't a one -time thing. 126 00:08:54,720 --> 00:08:58,820 This idea of a serial killer makes me think back to Breonna Maitland. 127 00:08:59,370 --> 00:09:02,670 a young woman who went missing around the same time as Maura. 128 00:09:03,110 --> 00:09:06,310 Do you know why she was in this area? Can you feel why she was up here? I have 129 00:09:06,310 --> 00:09:07,990 to go to the place to pull that information. 130 00:09:08,370 --> 00:09:12,730 Are we going to go to the last place she was seen today as well? 131 00:09:13,170 --> 00:09:14,310 Absolutely. Let's go. 132 00:09:21,030 --> 00:09:22,630 This is a solvable case. 133 00:09:23,510 --> 00:09:25,490 This doesn't have to stay cold. 134 00:09:26,470 --> 00:09:27,950 Sometimes it's a timing issue. 135 00:09:28,490 --> 00:09:31,190 Maybe it's time for this to come together. 136 00:09:31,590 --> 00:09:34,150 The dots are going to be connected in this case. 137 00:09:38,110 --> 00:09:38,670 The 138 00:09:38,670 --> 00:09:45,970 dots 139 00:09:45,970 --> 00:09:48,450 are going to be connected in this case. It's solvable. 140 00:09:48,810 --> 00:09:50,450 This is a solvable case. 141 00:09:50,950 --> 00:09:52,890 This doesn't have to stay cold. 142 00:09:53,390 --> 00:09:55,530 We're with medium Allison Dubois. 143 00:09:56,300 --> 00:09:59,680 Do you know why she was in this area? Can you feel why? I have to go to the 144 00:09:59,680 --> 00:10:01,040 place to pull that information. 145 00:10:02,740 --> 00:10:08,360 As we head to the crash site, Allison claims she's receiving impressions from 146 00:10:08,360 --> 00:10:11,500 Maura, who she says is no longer alive. 147 00:10:12,220 --> 00:10:14,640 Allison is relaying these impressions to us. 148 00:10:16,680 --> 00:10:21,140 She was like her dad because she was like a daddy's girl. They both, like, 149 00:10:21,140 --> 00:10:25,380 anybody the shirt off their back or just, like, salt of the earth nice 150 00:10:25,820 --> 00:10:28,360 Anything about any other family members? 151 00:10:30,160 --> 00:10:32,620 I don't know why the mom's being shown as removed. 152 00:10:34,140 --> 00:10:36,380 So she's just showing her mom as removed. 153 00:10:38,020 --> 00:10:39,940 You mean removed like... 154 00:10:40,540 --> 00:10:44,040 Sometimes it's that they pass, or sometimes it's that they're emotionally 155 00:10:44,040 --> 00:10:47,080 disconnected and they're not feeling it. It's like they're dead inside. 156 00:10:48,180 --> 00:10:53,080 Allison says she didn't know a single aspect of Maura's story before she flew 157 00:10:53,080 --> 00:10:54,280 here to New Hampshire today. 158 00:10:54,640 --> 00:10:58,880 So if she's telling the truth, there would be no way for her to know that 159 00:10:58,880 --> 00:11:04,380 Maura's mother died, unless she's either guessing or channeling Maura as she 160 00:11:04,380 --> 00:11:05,380 claims. 161 00:11:13,480 --> 00:11:20,100 I feel really sick here, and initially I wanted to think that she got 162 00:11:20,100 --> 00:11:22,360 in the car willingly, but it doesn't feel willingly. 163 00:11:25,840 --> 00:11:32,040 It doesn't feel amicable here, or I wouldn't feel as sick as I feel right 164 00:11:32,140 --> 00:11:33,260 So that's important. 165 00:11:34,020 --> 00:11:38,740 I mean, you said she knew this individual, possibly met him before. 166 00:11:38,920 --> 00:11:40,780 Casually. But he turned on her. 167 00:11:41,450 --> 00:11:45,890 You know, it's like he could be charming at first, but then turn on you. Is 168 00:11:45,890 --> 00:11:49,670 there a bar in town that would have been there that they could have stopped at 169 00:11:49,670 --> 00:11:52,770 or that they would have eaten at? We questioned that. Yeah. 170 00:11:53,430 --> 00:11:55,390 Because that feels really important to me. 171 00:11:57,390 --> 00:12:01,810 The idea that Maura stopped to meet up with someone she knew prior to her 172 00:12:01,810 --> 00:12:05,750 accident is something Art and I have been debating since we started this 173 00:12:05,750 --> 00:12:06,750 investigation. 174 00:12:07,340 --> 00:12:12,500 It's one of the possible reasons we think her journey took one hour longer 175 00:12:12,500 --> 00:12:13,500 ours. 176 00:12:15,580 --> 00:12:18,500 It feels like he said he was taking her somewhere that there were going to be 177 00:12:18,500 --> 00:12:21,240 other people and they weren't there. And then she started to get afraid where 178 00:12:21,240 --> 00:12:23,860 he's like, no, no, no, just go a little further, go a little further, you know. 179 00:12:24,040 --> 00:12:27,280 And it just turned into something more, something bad. 180 00:12:29,440 --> 00:12:30,940 What's his intention to hurt her? 181 00:12:32,280 --> 00:12:37,360 He does have a rapist energy to him. It just feels like this was taken too far 182 00:12:37,360 --> 00:12:39,060 because she fought him. 183 00:12:39,600 --> 00:12:43,340 And also that she was going to tell the people that she knew that were connected 184 00:12:43,340 --> 00:12:47,040 to him. And he didn't want that. So it feels like it was something that may 185 00:12:47,040 --> 00:12:49,340 been more date rapey gone wrong. 186 00:12:51,100 --> 00:12:53,520 To me, the friend group's the key to this. 187 00:12:53,870 --> 00:12:57,830 And the girls, like, it feels like there were two female best friends or, like, 188 00:12:57,830 --> 00:13:01,770 two females that were really close to her. And they didn't do anything wrong, 189 00:13:01,850 --> 00:13:05,990 but they do know that some of the males around them are a little nefarious or 190 00:13:05,990 --> 00:13:07,890 able to keep secrets for each other. 191 00:13:09,030 --> 00:13:13,030 Could the friends Allison is talking about be Maura's friends from UMass? 192 00:13:13,570 --> 00:13:17,810 We know Maura went to a dorm party with her close friend Kate and another 193 00:13:17,810 --> 00:13:20,570 girlfriend two nights before she left town. 194 00:13:21,580 --> 00:13:25,040 Could friends from this party have driven with Maura up to New Hampshire? 195 00:13:25,580 --> 00:13:28,340 And could something have gone wrong in the process? 196 00:13:29,320 --> 00:13:31,200 We need to revisit that night. 197 00:13:33,160 --> 00:13:36,700 It feels like he had friends that helped him get rid of whatever he needed to 198 00:13:36,700 --> 00:13:37,700 get rid of. 199 00:13:37,900 --> 00:13:41,620 But also, you're probably going to find out that those three boys, two of them 200 00:13:41,620 --> 00:13:44,380 may have been brothers, that would bring additional vehicles. 201 00:13:45,040 --> 00:13:49,820 And then that makes sense how she ended up on a different road in a different 202 00:13:49,820 --> 00:13:54,900 car because they would have been following her there or with one of the 203 00:13:54,900 --> 00:13:57,600 the car with her and the other one's following. 204 00:13:59,460 --> 00:14:02,140 Allison's mention of three males stands out. 205 00:14:02,420 --> 00:14:05,440 Is she seeing three guys from the dorm party at UMass? 206 00:14:05,720 --> 00:14:10,860 Or is her vision three local men, which lines up with a rumor people in town 207 00:14:10,860 --> 00:14:11,860 have told me about? 208 00:14:12,940 --> 00:14:19,080 There was a story about some young men who worked at the ski area over in Loon 209 00:14:19,080 --> 00:14:25,140 that lived and would have driven by that site on the way to work that didn't 210 00:14:25,140 --> 00:14:26,300 show up for work that night. 211 00:14:27,820 --> 00:14:30,700 It's unclear which set of men Allison is seeing. 212 00:14:31,260 --> 00:14:36,980 Either way, if Maura fell victim to foul play by three men, I wonder if the 213 00:14:36,980 --> 00:14:39,580 medium has any idea where Maura might be. 214 00:14:40,720 --> 00:14:46,240 Without her body, Maura is still just a missing person in the eyes of the law. 215 00:14:46,580 --> 00:14:51,000 She referenced a bridge being important, so I don't know how many bridges they 216 00:14:51,000 --> 00:14:52,000 have in this area. 217 00:14:52,540 --> 00:14:58,900 So it's what just feels like where the evidence is, I'll say, 218 00:14:59,040 --> 00:15:04,500 is just outside of where they were looking. Like, it's not much further 219 00:15:04,500 --> 00:15:05,500 where they were looking. 220 00:15:06,080 --> 00:15:08,440 But you think that her body is nearby? 221 00:15:08,880 --> 00:15:09,880 Mm -hmm. 222 00:15:10,350 --> 00:15:14,730 It's going to be a street that's more of a dead end where only locals go. 223 00:15:15,010 --> 00:15:18,350 And only locals go there to drink or to get in trouble. 224 00:15:20,810 --> 00:15:23,250 In general, I'm skeptical about psychics. 225 00:15:23,590 --> 00:15:26,750 But I'm impressed with some of the detail Allison provided. 226 00:15:27,930 --> 00:15:30,850 I mean, some of the stuff she said was just flat out freaky. 227 00:15:31,170 --> 00:15:36,390 Yeah. I think talking to Kate, if ever we can get her. 228 00:15:36,830 --> 00:15:41,730 I keep coming back to the thing that clicked with me is the three. The three 229 00:15:41,730 --> 00:15:42,790 guys. Three guys. 230 00:15:43,610 --> 00:15:49,370 Possibly two brothers that knew this area that had a fight with her in the 231 00:15:49,370 --> 00:15:50,370 around here somewhere. 232 00:15:51,150 --> 00:15:54,450 There's a bridge nearby. There's a dead end road that he took her down. 233 00:15:54,750 --> 00:15:58,190 I mean, it's going to be hard to pinpoint that, but those are pretty 234 00:15:58,190 --> 00:16:03,830 facts that if we ever get to a location like that, we should contact her. 235 00:16:04,230 --> 00:16:05,770 A location at a bridge. 236 00:16:06,360 --> 00:16:11,860 Near the accident site, but just outside the search zone. A dead end where 237 00:16:11,860 --> 00:16:12,860 locals go and drink. 238 00:16:13,400 --> 00:16:16,040 This is what we need to find. 239 00:16:22,180 --> 00:16:28,800 Our meeting with medium Alison Dubois was interesting. 240 00:16:29,420 --> 00:16:33,920 She made some strong correlations to a few of the theories Art and I have been 241 00:16:33,920 --> 00:16:38,900 tracking. Her friends seem to be key to me. It's almost like some of them know 242 00:16:38,900 --> 00:16:43,320 pieces of information that they haven't shared because they don't think it's 243 00:16:43,320 --> 00:16:45,900 important or they're not putting it together. 244 00:16:46,180 --> 00:16:50,480 She referenced a bridge being important, so I don't know how many bridges they 245 00:16:50,480 --> 00:16:51,480 have in this area. 246 00:16:52,420 --> 00:16:56,460 In the weeks since we met her, as the snow in the North Country melts winter 247 00:16:56,460 --> 00:17:01,140 away, Art and I feel compelled to take a deeper look at some of what Allison 248 00:17:01,140 --> 00:17:02,140 shared. 249 00:17:03,690 --> 00:17:08,450 We've been talking to locals and researching bridges that fit Allison's 250 00:17:08,450 --> 00:17:13,609 for where Maura's body or evidence of her disappearance may have been dropped. 251 00:17:17,369 --> 00:17:22,329 Meanwhile, I've called Maura's best friend from UMass, Kate, countless 252 00:17:23,130 --> 00:17:25,530 She was with Maura at the dorm party. 253 00:17:25,730 --> 00:17:30,950 If anyone would know something, it's her. But she never picks up. 254 00:17:32,140 --> 00:17:35,820 I'm trying one last time at her house in person. 255 00:17:36,840 --> 00:17:41,520 Hi, Kate. This is Maggie Freeling calling again. I am in the area where 256 00:17:41,520 --> 00:17:44,260 live, so if you can call me back, I would appreciate it. Thanks. 257 00:17:47,940 --> 00:17:51,940 With nothing from Kate, I'll revisit the potential drop sites. 258 00:17:52,960 --> 00:17:56,080 Although they may be a long shot, it feels like I should. 259 00:17:57,320 --> 00:17:59,820 Art and I have narrowed the search to three bridges. 260 00:18:00,330 --> 00:18:05,990 that fit within Allison's description, at a dead end, by a bridge where kids 261 00:18:05,990 --> 00:18:08,790 party, just outside the search zone. 262 00:18:10,050 --> 00:18:13,090 We've invited the medium back to the region to check them out. 263 00:18:15,850 --> 00:18:19,050 So, Allison, could you tell us just a little bit about your process? When we 264 00:18:19,050 --> 00:18:20,210 there, you know what you're going to do. 265 00:18:20,470 --> 00:18:24,990 Usually I'll at least get an impression or a visual blast through my head of 266 00:18:24,990 --> 00:18:26,290 something that happened there. 267 00:18:27,390 --> 00:18:31,970 Usually a death will leave an indelible mark, and even though it's been 13 268 00:18:31,970 --> 00:18:36,550 years, there'd be a trace of something, so I'm hoping that this is the case 269 00:18:36,550 --> 00:18:37,550 here. 270 00:18:39,130 --> 00:18:42,130 Maura's crash occurred on Route 112 in Woodsville. 271 00:18:42,890 --> 00:18:46,530 The official search for her extended in a 12 -mile radius. 272 00:18:47,250 --> 00:18:52,590 Art and I have found three bridges just beyond the search area, all along Route 273 00:18:52,590 --> 00:18:55,490 112, and all fitting Allison's criteria. 274 00:19:05,750 --> 00:19:07,790 A little bit of a creep factor here. 275 00:19:07,990 --> 00:19:11,370 Yeah, it's creepy, but it just doesn't feel like murder, and I'm just not 276 00:19:11,370 --> 00:19:12,510 getting that impression here. 277 00:19:14,010 --> 00:19:15,010 Okay. 278 00:19:15,370 --> 00:19:16,490 We've got some other spots. 279 00:19:20,450 --> 00:19:24,650 No fire, no alcohol, no camping. Wow, this is definitely a party spot. Yeah, 280 00:19:24,650 --> 00:19:25,710 this is a party spot. 281 00:19:31,030 --> 00:19:36,400 What I can say is, if I'm seeing the bridge, I'm seeing it from her eyes. 282 00:19:36,920 --> 00:19:39,280 So this is not where she was killed. 283 00:19:40,380 --> 00:19:43,320 Okay. Because this is not what she would have seen. 284 00:19:43,840 --> 00:19:45,480 How far away was she from it? 285 00:19:45,680 --> 00:19:48,220 Does it seem like it was close, like she was under it? 286 00:19:48,560 --> 00:19:52,820 Not under it. Far enough away that she could see it in its entirety. 287 00:19:53,860 --> 00:19:58,560 Is where she was killed close to where her body might have been dumped? 288 00:20:00,400 --> 00:20:01,400 Yes. 289 00:20:01,860 --> 00:20:02,860 Yes. 290 00:20:04,750 --> 00:20:06,710 Two bridges down, one to go. 291 00:20:07,810 --> 00:20:10,010 This last bridge is our most hopeful. 292 00:20:12,070 --> 00:20:13,730 It's closest to the craft site. 293 00:20:17,830 --> 00:20:20,510 Well, this is a dump site, for sure. 294 00:20:20,790 --> 00:20:21,790 I agree. 295 00:20:22,310 --> 00:20:23,850 It's definitely deeper here. 296 00:20:25,150 --> 00:20:28,550 Well, and that's more what I'm looking for, where it's deep to where she 297 00:20:28,550 --> 00:20:31,790 wouldn't necessarily get caught up on shallow rocks. There'd be a way to keep 298 00:20:31,790 --> 00:20:33,490 flowing downriver. 299 00:20:34,840 --> 00:20:39,320 This is more like what I was seeing. The difference, I guess, would be that the 300 00:20:39,320 --> 00:20:41,840 top of the bridge didn't look so rounded. 301 00:20:42,220 --> 00:20:44,980 So it was more of a straight angle as opposed to arched. 302 00:20:45,340 --> 00:20:48,160 More of a straight angle, the way I saw it. Okay. 303 00:20:49,480 --> 00:20:52,080 You know, from the places we've brought you, I mean, what do you think? 304 00:20:52,720 --> 00:20:55,100 I mean, I'm just not feeling anything. 305 00:20:56,240 --> 00:20:57,240 Right. 306 00:20:58,300 --> 00:21:02,240 Could Allison's impressions have been beyond the drop sites we researched? 307 00:21:02,940 --> 00:21:03,940 Absolutely. 308 00:21:05,230 --> 00:21:09,170 There are hundreds of bridges branching further out into the state. 309 00:21:10,030 --> 00:21:15,170 What's more, this idea that maybe three men were somehow involved with Maura 310 00:21:15,170 --> 00:21:16,470 hasn't panned out. 311 00:21:17,790 --> 00:21:22,950 We haven't spoken to Kate or anyone who was at that dorm party at UMass. 312 00:21:23,610 --> 00:21:29,050 And Art and I haven't been able to identify the three men who we call 313 00:21:29,050 --> 00:21:30,009 Mountain Three. 314 00:21:30,010 --> 00:21:34,070 In fact, police have never officially named them suspects. 315 00:21:35,520 --> 00:21:38,260 Which means we're pretty much out of leads. 316 00:21:39,140 --> 00:21:40,920 There is one thing hanging, though. 317 00:21:43,540 --> 00:21:48,080 The coordinates that Tim and Lance told me about when I first interviewed them. 318 00:21:48,700 --> 00:21:53,440 So you do a map search, you find the coordinates. It's White Mountains, it's 319 00:21:53,440 --> 00:21:58,180 Mount Kerrigan. Good conditions there and back. Without making any stops, it's 320 00:21:58,180 --> 00:22:01,000 like a seven and a half hour. Full day. Like a full day hike. 321 00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:03,440 Seven plus hours into the wilderness? 322 00:22:04,270 --> 00:22:09,070 Would someone really go through the effort of taking Maura up there, dead or 323 00:22:09,070 --> 00:22:10,070 alive? 324 00:22:10,150 --> 00:22:16,130 It's a really creepy story why this coordinates is a thing in this case. 325 00:22:16,950 --> 00:22:21,910 James Renner was emailed these coordinates a few years ago, said stop 326 00:22:22,090 --> 00:22:27,130 and the sender was, it was like Ray Ramay, but if you rearrange the letters, 327 00:22:27,130 --> 00:22:28,130 spells Maura Murray. 328 00:22:28,330 --> 00:22:31,390 Would it be possible for somebody to bring a body up there? 329 00:22:31,610 --> 00:22:35,390 It's just something that we know is probably a wild goose chase, but it's 330 00:22:35,390 --> 00:22:37,030 something that you really need to check off the list. 331 00:22:38,090 --> 00:22:39,090 So they tried. 332 00:22:39,570 --> 00:22:43,750 Tim and Lance booked a room in nearby Lincoln, New Hampshire, ready to make 333 00:22:43,750 --> 00:22:44,750 trek. 334 00:22:44,830 --> 00:22:47,050 And that's when the trouble started. 335 00:22:48,270 --> 00:22:49,850 We got tweeted a penny. 336 00:22:50,550 --> 00:22:53,930 The year of the penny was 1982, which is Maura's birth year. 337 00:22:55,180 --> 00:22:58,880 The tweeter was like a skull and crossbones logo. 338 00:22:59,420 --> 00:23:02,760 And the more we looked at it, the more it started to come together. This was 339 00:23:02,760 --> 00:23:07,060 day before we were going to say it. Lincoln is on the penny, and the year on 340 00:23:07,060 --> 00:23:08,460 penny was Moore's birthday. 341 00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:09,680 Which is creepy. 342 00:23:09,740 --> 00:23:13,960 Tim and Lance felt the tweet was bizarre, but it wasn't cause for 343 00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:18,480 Yet as they arrived in Lincoln, they received more strange emails. 344 00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:20,940 He's getting closer to threatening. 345 00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:27,990 At one point he says to us, Tommy Conrad was assassinated on his mother's front 346 00:23:27,990 --> 00:23:30,310 lawn for not minding your own goddamn business. 347 00:23:30,730 --> 00:23:36,010 Who was Tommy Conrad? Tommy Conrad is someone who was shot on his mom's lawn 348 00:23:36,010 --> 00:23:39,110 2005. From the area? Yes, in Haverhill. 349 00:23:39,810 --> 00:23:41,010 It's unsolved still. 350 00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:46,020 Did you guys track that email? Were you able to track the email? I had a co 351 00:23:46,020 --> 00:23:52,860 -worker who was a real clever IT guy, and I took the emails to him, and he 352 00:23:52,860 --> 00:23:56,500 back to me, and he was like, whoever did this knows what they're doing. It's 353 00:23:56,500 --> 00:23:59,640 buried. Buried. It's buried and made to look like a bot. 354 00:24:00,120 --> 00:24:06,140 The tweet, the threat, the mention of an unsolved murder in Haverhill, the same 355 00:24:06,140 --> 00:24:11,240 town where Maura disappeared, all of it put him and Lance on edge. 356 00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:16,460 We were just like, no, this is not worth it. Because if it's not a body that 357 00:24:16,460 --> 00:24:20,800 we're finding up there, it's probably a trap, if there's anything. If there's 358 00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:22,120 anything, it's probably a trap. 359 00:24:22,360 --> 00:24:23,360 Sure. 360 00:24:25,300 --> 00:24:27,720 The story of the coordinates would have ended there. 361 00:24:28,300 --> 00:24:33,860 But a few months went by, and the podcasters got another bizarre email, 362 00:24:33,860 --> 00:24:35,980 time from someone entirely new. 363 00:24:37,340 --> 00:24:43,040 We were sent photographs from a hiker who was... hiking up there alone and 364 00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:49,880 found ribbons that said RIP Maura Murray strung around 365 00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:55,000 a tree. And we had a Skype call with her, so she's legit. She seems just like 366 00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:56,000 hiker. 367 00:24:56,740 --> 00:25:02,160 Whoever this person is who sent this email did go up there. They're not just 368 00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:04,880 sending some random coordinates. I mean, they went to this location. 369 00:25:05,500 --> 00:25:09,520 Yeah. If anyone was directly involved with Maura's disappearance, does that 370 00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:10,520 anything to do with the coordinates? 371 00:25:10,939 --> 00:25:14,140 there's only one way to find out. You have to get there. There has to be a 372 00:25:14,140 --> 00:25:17,300 thorough search there, which I don't believe has ever been done. 373 00:25:17,580 --> 00:25:21,240 There was just some random coordinates, I think, maybe not so much, but we know 374 00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:24,640 someone did go through the effort of going up there, so what else could they 375 00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:25,199 have done? 376 00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:26,900 And I think that needs to be checked out. 377 00:25:29,300 --> 00:25:33,880 I've been focusing on this case for close to six months, trying to tie leads 378 00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:37,120 together and find out what ultimately happened to Maura Murray. 379 00:25:37,740 --> 00:25:39,140 What if this person... 380 00:25:39,530 --> 00:25:45,370 who has been emailing Kim and Lance, is the same person or people Allison saw 381 00:25:45,370 --> 00:25:46,770 when she channeled Maura. 382 00:25:47,710 --> 00:25:52,350 The possible connection reminds me I've come too far to just leave this lead 383 00:25:52,350 --> 00:25:53,350 hanging. 384 00:25:53,550 --> 00:25:58,770 Plus, we have the resources Kim, Lance, and Renner never had. 385 00:26:00,490 --> 00:26:05,730 If anything happens to us, we'll have cameras recording it all for the police 386 00:26:05,730 --> 00:26:07,190 consult. All right, let's go. 387 00:26:12,460 --> 00:26:18,820 One week later, after hiring a local mountaineering guide, it's time to make 388 00:26:18,820 --> 00:26:19,820 hike. 389 00:26:20,060 --> 00:26:26,280 But as we set out with the podcasters, something bizarre happens. 390 00:26:28,020 --> 00:26:31,160 We received another email from the same person. 391 00:26:31,420 --> 00:26:36,860 Really? It says, stop looking again at the subject line. It says, since Renner 392 00:26:36,860 --> 00:26:41,160 didn't get it back in 2014, maybe spelling it out will help. Good luck. 393 00:26:41,710 --> 00:26:43,170 And then he puts the coordinates again. 394 00:26:43,410 --> 00:26:44,830 Wow. That's bizarre. 395 00:26:45,230 --> 00:26:47,770 All I had to do was think about who knew we were doing this. 396 00:26:47,970 --> 00:26:50,410 I didn't tell anybody. Tim didn't tell anybody. 397 00:26:50,830 --> 00:26:53,170 Hell, I didn't even tell my wife I was doing this. 398 00:26:53,870 --> 00:26:57,850 I'm a little bit in shock over it. What do you guys make of this? You changed 399 00:26:57,850 --> 00:26:59,550 your passwords and your emails. 400 00:26:59,790 --> 00:27:03,570 I mean, what do you... Is it someone else? Like, is this a coincidence? Is 401 00:27:03,570 --> 00:27:06,670 someone... No way it can be a coincidence, my God. 402 00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:19,320 You changed your passwords in your email. Is someone still in your email? 403 00:27:19,740 --> 00:27:24,680 As if there wasn't already enough intrigue surrounding the coordinates, 404 00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:27,440 Lance receive another mysterious email. 405 00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:33,000 It comes on the very same day we're hiking to the spot where we might find 406 00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:34,160 to Maura's disappearance. 407 00:27:34,700 --> 00:27:37,240 I didn't tell anybody. Tim didn't tell anybody. 408 00:27:37,860 --> 00:27:40,380 Hell, I didn't even tell my wife I was doing this. 409 00:27:41,100 --> 00:27:42,860 This is definitely weird. 410 00:27:44,110 --> 00:27:48,690 It's obvious that either our email has been hacked or we're being watched. 411 00:27:49,810 --> 00:27:55,030 It's exactly this kind of thing that caused him and Lance to call off their 412 00:27:55,030 --> 00:27:56,030 previous search. 413 00:27:56,910 --> 00:27:59,010 What could this person be protecting? 414 00:27:59,530 --> 00:28:00,810 What is up here? 415 00:28:01,630 --> 00:28:03,170 I need to find out. 416 00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:17,559 I'm Maggie. 417 00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:22,540 Nice to meet you. Dustin Cormier is a certified mountain rescue and trail 418 00:28:22,940 --> 00:28:24,600 He'll be our escort to the coordinates. 419 00:28:25,140 --> 00:28:31,080 We wanted to come here before. We attempted it, but we got sufficiently 420 00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:33,900 out. We didn't know if there was a trap set for us. Yeah. 421 00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:35,160 Well, 422 00:28:35,360 --> 00:28:39,000 I hope there's no traps. Every time someone tries to come here, it seems 423 00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:41,240 this mysterious emailer returns. 424 00:28:41,660 --> 00:28:44,500 Huh. Like today. So the guy sent you the same... 425 00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:51,000 coordinates again today yeah it really is creepy yeah so as far as what we're 426 00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:55,520 looking for it could be anything it could be an artifact could be i mean i 427 00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:59,780 want to sound like paranoid but i just keep our eyes peeled for anything along 428 00:28:59,780 --> 00:29:04,400 the way okay if we do come across anything don't touch it yeah right all 429 00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:08,020 because we might have to make a phone call and get gotcha law enforcement up 430 00:29:08,020 --> 00:29:12,620 here in case of some type of evidential nature so all right as we prepare to set 431 00:29:12,620 --> 00:29:17,950 out Lance enters the coordinates into Dustin's GPS mapping unit. This 432 00:29:17,950 --> 00:29:23,410 destination is an especially dense part of the White Mountains, a virgin forest 433 00:29:23,410 --> 00:29:26,250 virtually untouched through the centuries. 434 00:29:26,890 --> 00:29:31,210 Our target location is some 48 -mile Tremoras crash site. 435 00:29:31,630 --> 00:29:36,650 It's on the backside of Mount Kerrigan's peak, a nearly 15 -mile round -trip 436 00:29:36,650 --> 00:29:40,010 hike with 6 ,000 feet of elevation change. 437 00:29:40,390 --> 00:29:42,090 All right, let's do it. 438 00:29:43,180 --> 00:29:45,720 And with that, we're off. 439 00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:55,440 One of the emails that we got, the second email, was a rhyme. It said, 440 00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:59,020 year ago, I told you where. Look again, she is still there. 441 00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:00,320 Huh? 442 00:30:01,540 --> 00:30:06,700 So we've just been kind of analyzing the process of bringing a body to these 443 00:30:06,700 --> 00:30:07,700 coordinates. 444 00:30:08,460 --> 00:30:10,220 What's the trail like in the winter? 445 00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:17,780 This would be, it'd just be like four feet of deep layered snow. 446 00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:21,120 Okay. Do people snowmobile up here? 447 00:30:21,460 --> 00:30:24,580 No, this is wilderness, so you can't even bike. 448 00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:27,940 Bringing a body up here is like a challenge. 449 00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:31,080 Could you bring packing, like a horse or a mule up here? 450 00:30:31,460 --> 00:30:33,260 I've never seen it, but. Okay. 451 00:30:34,460 --> 00:30:38,120 I mean, you could do it. You could snowshoe in. Should you put it on like a 452 00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:39,400 and drag it? Yeah. 453 00:30:40,650 --> 00:30:42,230 If the person's still alive. 454 00:30:43,690 --> 00:30:47,150 Art just had a good point. If the person's still alive, you're hiking in 455 00:30:47,150 --> 00:30:50,790 somebody. So she could have walked there on her own and then gotten killed. 456 00:30:53,050 --> 00:30:55,170 Does anyone else feel like we're being watched? 457 00:30:55,830 --> 00:30:56,830 Totally. 458 00:30:57,190 --> 00:30:58,930 It's just super creepy. 459 00:31:02,190 --> 00:31:05,450 We're right now at one hour and 17 minutes as we left. 460 00:31:05,850 --> 00:31:12,130 the beginning of the river road so we've come 1 .7 miles let's do it so we're 461 00:31:12,130 --> 00:31:14,370 going up and over yeah okay cool 462 00:31:14,370 --> 00:31:29,310 all 463 00:31:29,310 --> 00:31:36,050 right this is the summit came up signal ridge trail We're going to head down 464 00:31:36,050 --> 00:31:38,390 Desolation Trail, which is right there. It's super steep. 465 00:31:38,850 --> 00:31:44,130 It's like 1 ,700 feet down to about where our GPS coordinates are. 466 00:31:44,510 --> 00:31:48,850 A little ways into the woods once we get there, but we're getting close. 467 00:31:49,150 --> 00:31:53,730 Okay. And there might be a chance of the... If this is someone playing a sick 468 00:31:53,730 --> 00:31:57,370 joke, then we do have to be careful. Watch our step out there. 469 00:32:19,050 --> 00:32:23,010 All right, guys, looks like we're getting pretty close to where we leave 470 00:32:23,010 --> 00:32:24,010 trail. 471 00:32:24,170 --> 00:32:26,350 It's going to be pretty nasty in the woods. 472 00:32:28,630 --> 00:32:33,550 After seven miles of trekking into the wilderness, we're about to go off the 473 00:32:33,550 --> 00:32:39,610 trail into deeper woods with more treacherous terrain to the exact 474 00:32:40,070 --> 00:32:41,330 That's some pretty thick woods. 475 00:32:41,570 --> 00:32:45,170 So when we do go in there, what are we looking for? 476 00:32:46,430 --> 00:32:47,430 Traps? 477 00:32:47,870 --> 00:32:49,410 Any type of human remains? 478 00:32:49,790 --> 00:32:54,530 Articles of clothes, jewelry, anything out of place. 479 00:32:55,330 --> 00:32:59,930 I mean, who knows? But yeah, keep your eyes peeled for anything that might harm 480 00:32:59,930 --> 00:33:00,909 you. 481 00:33:00,910 --> 00:33:03,670 Let's do it. I'll start it and you guys just follow me. 482 00:33:06,350 --> 00:33:07,350 It's dense. 483 00:33:07,850 --> 00:33:08,850 This is unreal. 484 00:33:09,890 --> 00:33:10,890 Holy crap. 485 00:33:11,650 --> 00:33:13,790 This is really one of the craziest days of my life. 486 00:33:14,570 --> 00:33:15,529 You okay? 487 00:33:15,530 --> 00:33:17,020 Yeah. How far? 488 00:33:17,220 --> 00:33:18,300 Halfway. Halfway. Ow! 489 00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:20,780 Looks like you cleared up a little bit right there. 490 00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:24,220 This is pretty much it. 491 00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:31,060 So, I don't know. It's going to be hard to find anything, but I think we just 492 00:33:31,060 --> 00:33:32,800 look and it's like a 30 -foot block. 493 00:33:33,740 --> 00:33:35,220 We've made it to the coordinates. 494 00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:41,960 Our plan now is to search the immediate area for any clues or anything out of 495 00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:42,960 the ordinary. 496 00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:00,100 What is that right there? 497 00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:01,520 Where? 498 00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:02,859 What'd you find? 499 00:34:02,860 --> 00:34:04,280 Something there. Hold on. 500 00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:05,960 Right there. 501 00:34:06,300 --> 00:34:08,080 Here? Lance, you making the doubt? 502 00:34:08,300 --> 00:34:09,300 Can you see it? 503 00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:10,500 I think I see it. 504 00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:13,259 Hold on. 505 00:34:13,260 --> 00:34:14,260 Nah. 506 00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:15,480 Nah. Here? 507 00:34:16,860 --> 00:34:17,860 Oh, my God. 508 00:34:19,260 --> 00:34:21,460 There's a bright green something down there. 509 00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:24,940 Nah, it's nothing. It's just a tree. 510 00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:27,600 Find anything? 511 00:34:29,710 --> 00:34:34,489 No. No, there's nothing down here. There's not even a real clearing. 512 00:34:35,010 --> 00:34:36,030 There's no evidence. 513 00:34:37,810 --> 00:34:38,810 No trap. 514 00:34:40,170 --> 00:34:41,170 No Maura. 515 00:34:46,670 --> 00:34:49,870 The coordinates were one of our last roads to travel down. 516 00:34:53,230 --> 00:34:57,190 Although we feel like we've closed the lid on a number of theories, pregnancy, 517 00:34:58,380 --> 00:35:03,420 police conspiracy, car sabotage, running away. 518 00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:08,060 We've come up empty -handed at practically every turn. 519 00:35:09,820 --> 00:35:14,400 It's clear we've exhausted what we can do without the information the police 520 00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:16,240 hold dear and keep secret. 521 00:35:21,580 --> 00:35:23,460 There is one last thing, though. 522 00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:28,210 The DNA results of the wood chips is back from the lab. 523 00:35:29,050 --> 00:35:33,570 We're meeting with Dr. Lori Baker, an anthropology professor at Baylor 524 00:35:33,570 --> 00:35:37,870 University who specializes in forensic analysis of human remains. 525 00:35:39,370 --> 00:35:41,730 She'll interpret the results of the test for us. 526 00:35:42,070 --> 00:35:44,570 Well, I have the DNA results. 527 00:35:44,910 --> 00:35:48,270 Do you want me to walk you through a little bit about how this was done? Yes. 528 00:35:48,290 --> 00:35:53,710 Absolutely. So the DNA tests were done by swabbing the blood samples, and it 529 00:35:53,710 --> 00:35:56,710 went through a series of trying to get rid of the inhibitors that would have 530 00:35:56,710 --> 00:36:00,850 been found in the wood and so forth, and we were able to get some interesting 531 00:36:00,850 --> 00:36:01,850 results. 532 00:36:02,190 --> 00:36:06,030 This is definitely blood that was on these wood chips. 533 00:36:06,510 --> 00:36:08,270 Absolutely positive for blood. 534 00:36:10,710 --> 00:36:12,250 Is it human or animal? 535 00:36:12,850 --> 00:36:18,060 Human. Wow, you have the DNA from humans, and you actually have the DNA 536 00:36:18,060 --> 00:36:19,060 individuals. 537 00:36:21,780 --> 00:36:25,040 Wow, I didn't think we were going to get anything, actually. 538 00:36:25,420 --> 00:36:28,200 Did the police know that you tested the sample? 539 00:36:28,420 --> 00:36:30,800 Because I think you're going to want to share this with them. 540 00:36:31,380 --> 00:36:34,020 Why? Is one Maura? 541 00:36:36,260 --> 00:36:38,880 There is a possibility that this could be Maura. 542 00:36:39,460 --> 00:36:40,460 Wow. 543 00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:41,940 Would you like me to show you? 544 00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:43,200 Yes. 545 00:36:44,620 --> 00:36:49,520 All right, so in the sample that was taken, there were actually two 546 00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:55,240 And one of those individuals happened to be male. What we cannot tell is if the 547 00:36:55,240 --> 00:36:56,940 other profile is a female. 548 00:36:58,080 --> 00:37:02,760 We're not able to take these samples and separate them out, so we're not able to 549 00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:04,760 see which sample came from which individual. 550 00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:11,060 So what we would have to do is take Mara's DNA and compare it to this 551 00:37:12,110 --> 00:37:17,690 So the first step would be to find out, does her DNA match any of those numbers 552 00:37:17,690 --> 00:37:22,410 on that sheet? Right, and especially this particular number where we have a 553 00:37:22,410 --> 00:37:23,450 profile. Okay. 554 00:37:23,810 --> 00:37:26,170 And if it doesn't, it's not. 555 00:37:26,430 --> 00:37:33,270 The state of New Hampshire has Maura's DNA on file, so Art and I are going to 556 00:37:33,270 --> 00:37:35,130 share the results with them right away. 557 00:37:41,240 --> 00:37:44,480 So Chuck West just called me, and I was waiting for you to get here before I 558 00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:47,040 called him back to find out what information he's got. 559 00:37:47,340 --> 00:37:48,340 Let's call him. 560 00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:49,440 Hey, 561 00:37:51,820 --> 00:37:53,280 Chuck, it's Art Roderick. How you doing? 562 00:37:54,740 --> 00:37:55,740 No problem. 563 00:37:56,900 --> 00:38:02,420 Chuck West is part of New Hampshire's cold case unit and is one of the 564 00:38:02,420 --> 00:38:04,140 heading up Maura Murray's case. 565 00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:06,740 All right, Chuck. Thanks, buddy. I'll talk to you soon. 566 00:38:09,260 --> 00:38:10,260 What did he say? 567 00:38:10,670 --> 00:38:11,670 Take a look. 568 00:38:16,110 --> 00:38:17,110 Still confused. 569 00:38:17,190 --> 00:38:19,670 Yeah, I think this is something the whole family should hear. 570 00:38:20,410 --> 00:38:21,410 Let's get them together. 571 00:38:21,550 --> 00:38:22,550 Yeah. 572 00:38:37,750 --> 00:38:38,750 Hi, Fred. 573 00:38:50,100 --> 00:38:55,220 Chuck West of New Hampshire's cold case unit told us that since the sample of 574 00:38:55,220 --> 00:39:00,200 blood taken from the wood chips is so degraded and the chain of custody so 575 00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:05,140 unclear that it would be impossible for them to identify if it's more as blood. 576 00:39:05,780 --> 00:39:08,220 It could literally be the blood of almost anyone. 577 00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:11,360 and so it would never be admissible in court. 578 00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:17,100 But Chuck did give us other information that is encouraging. 579 00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:24,840 So basically what has happened is since we have started working on this, the 580 00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:29,340 state police are looking into, or if you want to say reopening the case. So 581 00:39:29,340 --> 00:39:31,520 they're going back and re -interviewing everybody. 582 00:39:31,820 --> 00:39:34,100 They've established three task forces. 583 00:39:34,460 --> 00:39:38,990 They're going back to the very beginning, looking at all the forensics, 584 00:39:38,990 --> 00:39:43,990 examining everything from day one on. They've even gone getting a yellow 585 00:39:44,270 --> 00:39:49,590 It's an Interpol notice, and it blasted out to 190 countries with all the 586 00:39:49,590 --> 00:39:55,210 information on Maura, her DNA, and they're checking all their records in 587 00:39:55,210 --> 00:39:58,470 she did go across the Canadian border. 588 00:39:59,410 --> 00:40:02,990 Law enforcement's re -engagement in Maura's case is promising. 589 00:40:03,610 --> 00:40:08,030 The state has even agreed to give us a piece of evidence that they've never 590 00:40:08,030 --> 00:40:09,490 before released publicly. 591 00:40:09,970 --> 00:40:11,390 The ATM footage. 592 00:40:13,330 --> 00:40:15,730 Maura's family has been fighting for this. 593 00:40:17,290 --> 00:40:18,310 Thirteen years. 594 00:40:18,990 --> 00:40:20,190 I know. 595 00:40:20,830 --> 00:40:24,690 It's a series of shots taken every three or four seconds. 596 00:40:25,170 --> 00:40:27,170 So it's not like an actual video. 597 00:40:28,510 --> 00:40:29,510 Right. 598 00:40:40,970 --> 00:40:41,970 That's Mara. 599 00:40:45,250 --> 00:40:47,290 Do you recognize that jacket, though? 600 00:40:49,050 --> 00:40:50,050 I know. 601 00:40:50,290 --> 00:40:53,950 Yeah, I don't either. I don't need to. That's Mara. Oh, I know. That's Mara. 602 00:41:05,470 --> 00:41:08,870 I started this project wanting to find justice for Maura. 603 00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:14,940 One example of the 70 ,000 missing women in the United States. 604 00:41:16,700 --> 00:41:21,920 Yet while Art and I haven't learned what ultimately happened to her, I have come 605 00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:23,100 to realize a few things. 606 00:41:23,900 --> 00:41:29,540 So many people are quick to dismiss these 70 ,000 missing women as runaways. 607 00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:34,740 They are often considered overly emotional, thought of as having no other 608 00:41:34,740 --> 00:41:38,140 handle their so -called bad day than to leave it all behind. 609 00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:43,720 But after almost a year of connecting with people in Maura's life, I feel 610 00:41:43,720 --> 00:41:46,680 confident that Maura didn't willingly walk away. 611 00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:51,700 There's nothing in her history that hints that she would leave her family 612 00:41:51,700 --> 00:41:52,700 forever. 613 00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:58,680 Something bad happened to her, and it's possible she's no longer alive. 614 00:42:00,340 --> 00:42:05,360 I hope I'm wrong, but my gut tells me I'm not. 615 00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:12,140 Maybe now, with the police digging back in, they'll go over what Art and I found 616 00:42:12,140 --> 00:42:14,940 and compare it to information they keep private. 617 00:42:17,340 --> 00:42:22,760 Or maybe someone will see this series and finally reach out to law enforcement 618 00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:25,340 with the tip they have been waiting for. 619 00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:28,960 I hope our quest for answers will produce results. 620 00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:35,760 I hope our work gives the Murrays the break they've been looking for for 13 621 00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:36,760 years. 622 00:42:39,820 --> 00:42:44,440 If somebody comes forward, seeing this, that would be what it takes. Right. 623 00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:46,740 Somebody that nobody knows about. Right. 624 00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:48,280 Somebody knows something. 625 00:42:49,580 --> 00:42:53,120 There's no doubt about it. And they've been afraid to come out for their 626 00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:58,000 personal safety, but now that this has reached the level that it has, maybe 627 00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:00,640 they'll be a little less reluctant to remain in the shadows. 628 00:43:01,060 --> 00:43:04,820 I think this is all just beginning. I think there's going to be a lot of 629 00:43:04,820 --> 00:43:07,640 information. I think you guys are going to get a lot of answers. 630 00:43:08,190 --> 00:43:14,590 Well, it's a direct response to you folks working on the case, and 631 00:43:14,590 --> 00:43:18,530 we'll be forever in your debt for it. 632 00:43:19,030 --> 00:43:22,450 Something good's going to happen, and I believe it. And not just because I have 633 00:43:22,450 --> 00:43:26,190 to believe it, but I do believe it. This is a break we've been looking for for 634 00:43:26,190 --> 00:43:27,190 13 years. 635 00:43:28,270 --> 00:43:31,670 Mara knows that we're pulling out all the stops. 636 00:43:32,570 --> 00:43:33,570 Come on, kid. 637 00:43:35,570 --> 00:43:36,570 We'll find you. 638 00:43:49,130 --> 00:43:53,950 If you have any information on the disappearance of Maura Murray, please 639 00:43:53,950 --> 00:43:55,990 New Hampshire's Cold Case Unit.