1 00:00:22,188 --> 00:00:24,190 Imagine if we had the opportunity 2 00:00:24,274 --> 00:00:28,111 to hear from a cultural icon after they've passed away. 3 00:00:28,862 --> 00:00:30,822 A chance for them to shape their own legacy, 4 00:00:30,905 --> 00:00:34,409 to be heard one last time in their own words. 5 00:00:35,368 --> 00:00:38,830 Dr. Jane Goodall connected humanity to Mother Nature 6 00:00:38,913 --> 00:00:41,541 in ways we had previously only imagined. 7 00:00:42,042 --> 00:00:43,668 She was a scientist, 8 00:00:44,544 --> 00:00:45,962 a conservationist, 9 00:00:46,921 --> 00:00:48,173 and an educator. 10 00:00:49,466 --> 00:00:50,717 We're all interconnected, 11 00:00:50,800 --> 00:00:53,845 and we depend on the natural resources of this planet, 12 00:00:53,928 --> 00:00:55,388 and they're not infinite. 13 00:00:57,223 --> 00:00:59,350 Her bond with nature was instinctive 14 00:00:59,434 --> 00:01:01,102 from the time she was a child. 15 00:01:01,186 --> 00:01:03,063 Animals seemed to trust her, 16 00:01:03,146 --> 00:01:05,482 and she credited them as her teachers. 17 00:01:06,274 --> 00:01:11,029 At 26, she traveled to East Africa to study wild chimpanzees 18 00:01:11,112 --> 00:01:15,742 and made a groundbreaking discovery that chimps could use and make tools, 19 00:01:15,825 --> 00:01:18,745 something people thought only humans were capable of. 20 00:01:20,330 --> 00:01:22,248 But Jane didn't just study chimps. 21 00:01:22,832 --> 00:01:24,125 She befriended them, 22 00:01:25,085 --> 00:01:27,337 assigning them names rather than numbers 23 00:01:27,420 --> 00:01:30,048 and following their families for generations. 24 00:01:30,548 --> 00:01:33,927 The work led her to become a UN Messenger of Peace 25 00:01:34,010 --> 00:01:37,305 and a battle-tested leader in the war to save Mother Nature. 26 00:01:38,098 --> 00:01:41,559 Whether she was speaking before CEOs or world leaders, 27 00:01:42,060 --> 00:01:45,772 Jane's charm and calm demeanor reached hearts and changed minds, 28 00:01:46,397 --> 00:01:48,024 including in the US, 29 00:01:48,108 --> 00:01:51,236 where she helped end government testing on chimpanzees. 30 00:01:53,196 --> 00:01:55,490 In more than 70 countries, 31 00:01:55,573 --> 00:01:59,828 Jane empowered generations of young people through her Roots and Shoots program 32 00:01:59,911 --> 00:02:03,081 to carry on the fight for a sustainable future. 33 00:02:03,873 --> 00:02:05,208 With her passing, 34 00:02:05,291 --> 00:02:09,879 the world has lost a moral compass and a relentless force for good. 35 00:02:10,380 --> 00:02:15,176 Before she died, Jane Goodall sat down for a deeply meaningful conversation, 36 00:02:15,760 --> 00:02:21,558 knowing that what you're about to see would not air until after she passed away, 37 00:02:22,183 --> 00:02:25,353 even if that meant locking away the footage for years. 38 00:02:26,646 --> 00:02:30,567 These are Jane Goodall's Famous Last Words. 39 00:02:31,860 --> 00:02:34,112 - Here, you wanna take my hand? - How do we walk? 40 00:02:34,195 --> 00:02:36,531 We're just gonna walk straight. We'll hold hands. 41 00:02:36,614 --> 00:02:39,242 Whoopsie whoops. And then we walk around here. 42 00:02:39,325 --> 00:02:41,369 - You're very spry. - Oh, yes. 43 00:02:42,120 --> 00:02:44,372 You're gonna sit in this chair right here. 44 00:02:44,455 --> 00:02:46,916 - Yes. - Got some whiskey set up for you already. 45 00:02:47,500 --> 00:02:49,252 - For my throat, for my voice. - Yes. 46 00:02:49,335 --> 00:02:53,631 - They already poured some in there. - It got very overused during COVID. 47 00:02:54,549 --> 00:02:56,926 You know, I was doing up to four Zooms a day. 48 00:02:57,010 --> 00:02:59,804 Wow. Do you like to have a drink of whiskey 49 00:02:59,888 --> 00:03:01,222 before you start talking? 50 00:03:01,306 --> 00:03:03,892 Would you wanna have that now, or you wanna wait? 51 00:03:03,975 --> 00:03:05,476 Um, yes. 52 00:03:05,560 --> 00:03:09,272 Having a little sip of whiskey at the beginning of a talk 53 00:03:09,856 --> 00:03:12,901 is sometimes really, really good. 54 00:03:13,526 --> 00:03:14,527 Please do. 55 00:03:15,028 --> 00:03:17,614 I am not an alcoholic. 56 00:03:17,697 --> 00:03:19,657 But I have said to my people, 57 00:03:19,741 --> 00:03:22,911 if you give me more things to do per day, 58 00:03:22,994 --> 00:03:25,580 and my voice gets tighter and tighter, 59 00:03:25,663 --> 00:03:28,416 you may turn me into an alcoholic, 60 00:03:28,499 --> 00:03:30,543 and then the world will blame you 61 00:03:30,627 --> 00:03:33,922 for stopping Jane from giving out her message. 62 00:03:34,005 --> 00:03:35,757 - Cheers. - Cheers to you. 63 00:03:39,302 --> 00:03:41,596 I did wanna talk about him. 64 00:03:41,679 --> 00:03:44,224 - Mr. H. - Mr. H. 65 00:03:44,891 --> 00:03:46,434 Is he always with you? 66 00:03:46,517 --> 00:03:49,103 Yes. He's 34 years old. 67 00:03:49,812 --> 00:03:52,565 He was given to me by a man called Gary Haun, 68 00:03:52,649 --> 00:03:54,442 which is why he's Mr. H. 69 00:03:54,943 --> 00:03:58,446 Gary Haun thought he was giving me a stuffed chimpanzee 70 00:03:58,529 --> 00:03:59,906 for my birthday 34 years ago. 71 00:03:59,989 --> 00:04:01,282 It's not a chimpanzee. 72 00:04:01,366 --> 00:04:05,036 And I took his hand, and I made him hold the tail. 73 00:04:05,119 --> 00:04:07,538 I said, "Gary, chimps don't have tails. " 74 00:04:07,622 --> 00:04:12,293 So Gary went blind at 21 when he was in the US Marines. 75 00:04:12,377 --> 00:04:16,381 But, you know, 34 years old is pretty jolly good. 76 00:04:16,464 --> 00:04:17,465 He looks great. 77 00:04:17,548 --> 00:04:20,218 And, of course, Mr. H. is far more than a toy. 78 00:04:20,301 --> 00:04:23,972 He's a... he's a symbol of the indomitable spirit 79 00:04:24,055 --> 00:04:26,015 because of who gave him to me. 80 00:04:26,099 --> 00:04:27,850 - Mm. - And he's very famous. 81 00:04:27,934 --> 00:04:29,269 - Very. - Yes. 82 00:04:29,352 --> 00:04:31,604 Well, welcome, Jane, 83 00:04:31,688 --> 00:04:35,149 welcome, Mr. H., to our set here, 84 00:04:35,233 --> 00:04:38,278 which you can see is different than most other interview sets 85 00:04:38,361 --> 00:04:40,530 in that there are no cameramen in here. 86 00:04:40,613 --> 00:04:44,033 We have five cameras operated remotely. 87 00:04:44,534 --> 00:04:46,577 We seem to have a little train going around. 88 00:04:46,661 --> 00:04:49,956 Yes, they can move, they... but they can't hear anything we say. 89 00:04:50,623 --> 00:04:55,920 So we are gonna have a very personal, private conversation 90 00:04:56,004 --> 00:04:59,674 without any worries about the consequences of what you have to say. 91 00:04:59,757 --> 00:05:03,219 You can speak very honestly about yourself and the people in your life 92 00:05:03,303 --> 00:05:08,725 and anybody who you have some things to say about, which could be, uh... 93 00:05:08,808 --> 00:05:13,021 'Cause I'm dead, so I won't have repercussions. 94 00:05:13,104 --> 00:05:16,065 Exactly. This will not air until after you have died. 95 00:05:16,149 --> 00:05:19,944 So anyone watching this is grieving you at the moment 96 00:05:20,028 --> 00:05:24,365 and very excited to hear a little bit more from you, so... 97 00:05:24,449 --> 00:05:27,827 There may be one or two people who say, "Hey, she's gone!" 98 00:05:27,910 --> 00:05:30,288 I... I honestly think it's o... it's only one or two 99 00:05:30,371 --> 00:05:32,790 because I... I think you are... you are 100 00:05:33,333 --> 00:05:36,711 one of the most beloved people... in the world. 101 00:05:37,670 --> 00:05:39,297 And how that happened 102 00:05:40,256 --> 00:05:42,133 is a true mystery to me. 103 00:05:42,633 --> 00:05:46,220 Well, I think other humans seeing what... what's possible, 104 00:05:46,304 --> 00:05:48,890 seeing what a person can be, what we can be, 105 00:05:48,973 --> 00:05:51,642 that we have someone committed to a mission of good 106 00:05:52,310 --> 00:05:56,773 and relentlessly working towards that good is, uh, inspiring to us. 107 00:05:57,315 --> 00:06:00,193 Well, I mean, I only do what I do 108 00:06:00,985 --> 00:06:05,907 because... because people get inspired to do better themselves. 109 00:06:06,407 --> 00:06:07,408 Mm. 110 00:06:08,409 --> 00:06:11,996 All right, so I wanna read, um, your bio, 111 00:06:12,080 --> 00:06:14,665 and it... it's quite extensive for you, 112 00:06:15,249 --> 00:06:17,919 so if you'll just allow me. 113 00:06:18,002 --> 00:06:21,005 Dr. Valerie Jane Morris-Goodall. 114 00:06:21,506 --> 00:06:25,927 You were born on April 3rd, 1934 in London, England. 115 00:06:26,761 --> 00:06:29,764 Your mother, Margaret "Mavenwy"... 116 00:06:29,847 --> 00:06:30,807 Myfanwe. 117 00:06:30,890 --> 00:06:32,517 - Myfanwe. - Welsh. Welsh. 118 00:06:32,600 --> 00:06:33,601 Welsh. 119 00:06:34,560 --> 00:06:37,355 Your mother, Margaret Myfanwe... 120 00:06:37,438 --> 00:06:39,482 Got it. 121 00:06:39,565 --> 00:06:43,319 ...was a writer who wrote under the name Vanne Morris-Goodall. 122 00:06:43,403 --> 00:06:46,864 Your father, Mortimer Herbert Morris-Goodall, 123 00:06:46,948 --> 00:06:50,243 was an engineer who became a race car driver for Aston Martin. 124 00:06:50,326 --> 00:06:52,203 You have a younger sister, Judy, 125 00:06:52,286 --> 00:06:54,664 who you share a birthday with four years apart. 126 00:06:54,747 --> 00:06:56,374 You were married twice. 127 00:06:56,457 --> 00:07:00,711 First to Baron Hugo van Lawick, a photographer and filmmaker 128 00:07:00,795 --> 00:07:03,506 who captured your research in the wild for ten years. 129 00:07:03,589 --> 00:07:06,467 You share a son, Hugo, but named Grub, 130 00:07:06,968 --> 00:07:08,553 a master boat and home builder, 131 00:07:08,636 --> 00:07:12,640 who lives in Tanzania with your grandkids, Angel, Merlin, and Nick. 132 00:07:13,474 --> 00:07:16,686 Tanzania is also where you met your late husband, Derek Bryceson. 133 00:07:16,769 --> 00:07:19,605 Together, you established the Gombe National Park, 134 00:07:19,689 --> 00:07:22,150 the birthplace of your scientific discoveries. 135 00:07:22,233 --> 00:07:24,777 You were married for five years before he passed away. 136 00:07:25,278 --> 00:07:26,779 Your study of chimps in Tanzania 137 00:07:26,863 --> 00:07:29,282 is the longest-running wildlife study in history 138 00:07:29,365 --> 00:07:31,492 and the world's largest scientific database 139 00:07:31,576 --> 00:07:33,578 on humans' closest DNA relative. 140 00:07:34,495 --> 00:07:37,206 You are the woman who redefined man 141 00:07:37,290 --> 00:07:40,334 by showing that chimpanzees can make and use tools 142 00:07:40,418 --> 00:07:43,379 and have distinct personalities, minds, and emotions. 143 00:07:43,463 --> 00:07:47,008 And when this is broadcast, all of your work... will be finished. 144 00:07:48,259 --> 00:07:50,720 How does it feel to... hear all that? 145 00:07:51,512 --> 00:07:53,806 It just reinforces my belief 146 00:07:53,890 --> 00:07:57,435 that I was put on this planet to make this journey, 147 00:07:57,977 --> 00:08:00,396 because things happened which took me... 148 00:08:00,480 --> 00:08:01,856 Like, for example, 149 00:08:02,648 --> 00:08:04,275 I wanted to go to Africa. 150 00:08:05,276 --> 00:08:07,528 It started when I was ten years old 151 00:08:07,612 --> 00:08:09,697 and I read Tarzan of the Apes. 152 00:08:09,780 --> 00:08:11,824 Before that, it was animals, animals, animals, 153 00:08:11,908 --> 00:08:14,869 but Tarzan of the Apes, I fell in love with Tarzan, 154 00:08:15,495 --> 00:08:18,206 was mad when he married the wrong Jane. 155 00:08:18,289 --> 00:08:20,541 His Jane was a real wimp. 156 00:08:20,625 --> 00:08:22,793 And, uh, everybody laughed at me. 157 00:08:22,877 --> 00:08:24,879 "How will you get to Africa? You don't have money. " 158 00:08:24,962 --> 00:08:28,674 My family had little money. "Africa's far away. It's dangerous. " 159 00:08:28,758 --> 00:08:31,427 Back then, we knew... It was called the Dark Continent. 160 00:08:31,511 --> 00:08:33,137 We didn't know much about it. 161 00:08:33,221 --> 00:08:37,266 "It's full of fierce wild animals," which, of course, was what I wanted. 162 00:08:37,350 --> 00:08:39,602 "And anyway, you're just a girl. " 163 00:08:40,102 --> 00:08:43,814 Girls back then... didn't dream of anything like that. 164 00:08:44,440 --> 00:08:47,652 But Mum said, "If you really want to do something like this, 165 00:08:47,735 --> 00:08:49,987 you're going to have to work very hard, 166 00:08:50,071 --> 00:08:52,615 take advantage of every opportunity, 167 00:08:52,698 --> 00:08:55,451 and if you don't give up, I'm sure you'll find a way. " 168 00:08:55,535 --> 00:08:58,412 So that was my mother's wisdom. 169 00:08:58,496 --> 00:09:00,498 My supportive, amazing mother, 170 00:09:00,581 --> 00:09:04,001 whom I give credit... a lot of credit as to who I am. 171 00:09:04,085 --> 00:09:06,754 She supported this love of animals, 172 00:09:06,837 --> 00:09:10,716 so that when I was 18 months, I don't remember, but she told me 173 00:09:10,800 --> 00:09:14,387 that I'd taken a whole lot of earthworms into my bed, 174 00:09:14,470 --> 00:09:16,389 along with the earth, of course, 175 00:09:16,472 --> 00:09:21,310 and instead of getting angry, she said, "Jane, you were looking so intently. " 176 00:09:21,394 --> 00:09:25,022 "I think you must have been wondering how they walk without legs. " 177 00:09:25,523 --> 00:09:30,152 And when I was four, I was given a job to help collect hen's eggs. 178 00:09:30,653 --> 00:09:35,157 And the hen would go in, go into the box, lay her egg in the straw, 179 00:09:35,241 --> 00:09:38,869 and I would open the lid, get out the egg, and put it in my basket. 180 00:09:39,370 --> 00:09:43,249 So I apparently began asking everybody, 181 00:09:43,332 --> 00:09:47,295 "But where is the hole? Where does the egg come out of the hen?" 182 00:09:47,378 --> 00:09:50,715 I couldn't see a hole like that, and nobody answered me. 183 00:09:50,798 --> 00:09:55,177 So what I remember vividly was a hen who was... she was brown, 184 00:09:55,678 --> 00:09:58,306 and she went into one of these hen houses. 185 00:09:58,389 --> 00:10:00,975 I crawled after her, went, and waited. 186 00:10:01,058 --> 00:10:03,436 And my mother was about to call the police. 187 00:10:03,519 --> 00:10:06,522 Nobody knew where I was, and I'd been gone four whole hours. 188 00:10:07,732 --> 00:10:12,153 And yet when she sees this little girl, all excited, 189 00:10:12,236 --> 00:10:14,947 instead of, "How dare you go and do something like that 190 00:10:15,031 --> 00:10:17,533 without telling us? Don't you dare do it again," 191 00:10:17,617 --> 00:10:21,954 would have killed the excitement, she sat to listen to my story. 192 00:10:22,038 --> 00:10:26,334 So I love that story, because isn't that the making of a little scientist? 193 00:10:26,417 --> 00:10:29,837 Asking questions, not getting the right answer, 194 00:10:29,920 --> 00:10:33,132 deciding to find out for yourself, making a mistake, 195 00:10:33,215 --> 00:10:35,509 not giving up, and learning patience. 196 00:10:35,593 --> 00:10:36,427 Hm. 197 00:10:36,510 --> 00:10:41,265 And a different kind of mother might have crushed that early scientific curiosity, 198 00:10:41,349 --> 00:10:44,101 and I might not be talking to you now. 199 00:10:45,353 --> 00:10:46,604 I was lucky. 200 00:10:46,687 --> 00:10:49,440 I read you told your friends that you could speak with animals. 201 00:10:49,523 --> 00:10:52,777 Yes, I knew I couldn't, though, but they believed me. 202 00:10:53,277 --> 00:10:54,487 In watching 203 00:10:54,570 --> 00:10:57,615 and reading about your time when you first got to the jungle, 204 00:10:57,698 --> 00:11:00,993 you were out alone in the jungle. 205 00:11:01,077 --> 00:11:03,496 This is before you even found the chimps. 206 00:11:04,330 --> 00:11:06,082 - All day. - Yep. 207 00:11:06,749 --> 00:11:09,835 For days and days, for weeks and weeks, for months and months. 208 00:11:09,919 --> 00:11:13,798 And yet there was no experience of boredom for you. 209 00:11:13,881 --> 00:11:17,343 No, because in nature, there's always something to watch. 210 00:11:17,426 --> 00:11:19,261 You know, there are insects, 211 00:11:19,345 --> 00:11:22,181 and, you know, you can see such fun things with insects. 212 00:11:22,264 --> 00:11:24,684 I remember once the dung beetles, 213 00:11:24,767 --> 00:11:27,603 you know, they get into a pile of somebody's shit, 214 00:11:27,687 --> 00:11:31,232 and they make a little ball, and they roll that ball, 215 00:11:31,315 --> 00:11:32,983 and they... they dig a hole. 216 00:11:33,067 --> 00:11:35,986 They drop the ball down, and they lay their eggs in it. 217 00:11:36,070 --> 00:11:37,905 That's for the young ones to eat. 218 00:11:37,988 --> 00:11:42,243 And so I was watching, and two came like this. 219 00:11:42,326 --> 00:11:44,954 And this ball was being rolled by two, 220 00:11:45,037 --> 00:11:47,873 one going backwards, and the other pushing forwards. 221 00:11:47,957 --> 00:11:49,333 This was a lone one, 222 00:11:49,417 --> 00:11:53,295 and the male from the male-female pair started to fight. 223 00:11:53,379 --> 00:11:57,591 So the female just very quietly moved dung 224 00:11:57,675 --> 00:12:01,220 from the... the lone male's ball onto her ball, 225 00:12:01,303 --> 00:12:02,972 and went off with it. 226 00:12:03,055 --> 00:12:06,767 And, you know, things like that, people don't notice. 227 00:12:06,851 --> 00:12:08,477 And I'm shocked, 228 00:12:08,561 --> 00:12:12,982 because nature is always filled with things to look at. 229 00:12:13,065 --> 00:12:15,526 Another example, I was in the Denver airport, 230 00:12:15,609 --> 00:12:17,111 sparrows can come in, 231 00:12:17,194 --> 00:12:19,363 and there was a little drama going on. 232 00:12:19,447 --> 00:12:22,658 There were two sparrows, and the female was, you know, 233 00:12:22,742 --> 00:12:23,909 it was courtship, 234 00:12:23,993 --> 00:12:27,496 so she was doing this fluttering, mouth open, 235 00:12:27,580 --> 00:12:30,750 and down on the ground was a crumb that somebody dropped. 236 00:12:30,833 --> 00:12:35,171 And clearly the male wanted to feed his lady love with the crumb. 237 00:12:35,254 --> 00:12:39,884 And so he flew down, and three times, just as he was about to pick it up, 238 00:12:39,967 --> 00:12:42,303 somebody comes by, looking at their cell phone, 239 00:12:42,386 --> 00:12:44,472 they just walk by this drama, 240 00:12:44,555 --> 00:12:49,059 and finally he was able to get it and feed the lady. 241 00:12:49,143 --> 00:12:50,478 I mean, this was... 242 00:12:50,561 --> 00:12:53,689 I mean, it took ten minutes, and it was entertaining. 243 00:12:54,190 --> 00:12:56,692 - There's no need to be bored. - Right. 244 00:12:57,193 --> 00:12:58,903 When people are watching this, 245 00:12:58,986 --> 00:13:02,573 the world will really be in collective mourning for you. 246 00:13:03,616 --> 00:13:04,867 I suppose so. 247 00:13:05,785 --> 00:13:08,996 You only suppose so? You don't think so? I mean, people love you. 248 00:13:09,079 --> 00:13:11,916 I know they come up and they say they love me. 249 00:13:11,999 --> 00:13:15,503 The... the... the strange thing is, they don't actually know me. 250 00:13:16,337 --> 00:13:17,713 There are two Janes. 251 00:13:18,380 --> 00:13:20,007 There's this one, 252 00:13:20,090 --> 00:13:23,803 just talking, and then there's the icon. 253 00:13:24,720 --> 00:13:27,723 The people who don't know me love the icon. 254 00:13:28,265 --> 00:13:32,061 But it does seem that most people who do know me also love me. 255 00:13:32,561 --> 00:13:34,230 So why? I don't know. 256 00:13:34,313 --> 00:13:37,066 People say, you know, "What is it about you?" 257 00:13:37,733 --> 00:13:38,859 What do you think? 258 00:13:39,568 --> 00:13:41,487 Well, I think people trust me. 259 00:13:42,321 --> 00:13:43,155 Uh... 260 00:13:44,698 --> 00:13:49,245 I think they like the values I've always shown that I have. 261 00:13:49,829 --> 00:13:53,374 I don't know. I mean, this other Jane is a mystery to me. 262 00:13:53,457 --> 00:13:55,626 - The icon is a mystery to you? - Yeah. 263 00:13:56,210 --> 00:13:59,088 Because, you know, I know who I am. I'm just me. 264 00:13:59,171 --> 00:14:04,885 And yet... people in airports come up and start to cry. 265 00:14:05,427 --> 00:14:06,470 "Oh my God!" 266 00:14:06,554 --> 00:14:09,723 And I always say, "I'm not your God. I'm just Jane. " 267 00:14:09,807 --> 00:14:15,062 Do you... do you remember when you first realized that icon Jane existed? 268 00:14:16,480 --> 00:14:20,693 I remember, with shock and horror, the first time something happened. 269 00:14:20,776 --> 00:14:24,697 I was in Santa Fe, and this elderly couple came up. 270 00:14:25,197 --> 00:14:27,533 And the woman... I mean, this is really weird. 271 00:14:27,616 --> 00:14:29,994 This only happened to me ever once again. 272 00:14:30,077 --> 00:14:33,455 She looked at me, and she said, "Can I touch you?" 273 00:14:33,539 --> 00:14:36,500 I said, "Oh my... What is this? 274 00:14:36,584 --> 00:14:37,751 And... 275 00:14:37,835 --> 00:14:40,337 ...so I said, "Well, we could shake hands. " 276 00:14:41,672 --> 00:14:44,091 That happened to me again two years ago. 277 00:14:44,592 --> 00:14:47,761 But normally people, you know, want to take a selfie 278 00:14:47,845 --> 00:14:50,931 or, uh, want me to sign something. 279 00:14:51,015 --> 00:14:54,310 What do you think she wanted or needed by touching you? 280 00:14:54,393 --> 00:14:57,563 - What do you think she was trying to...? - I had no idea. I was shocked. 281 00:14:57,646 --> 00:15:01,650 And after that, I suddenly realized, "Well, somehow this has happened. " 282 00:15:01,734 --> 00:15:04,486 "And I think I have a mission in this life, 283 00:15:04,570 --> 00:15:05,946 so I'll make use of that. " 284 00:15:06,030 --> 00:15:08,407 You're always on mission. 285 00:15:08,490 --> 00:15:10,743 - You're always- - I'm always on mission, yeah. 286 00:15:11,869 --> 00:15:15,915 Even... even when I'm really tired. I mean, that's what I'm on this planet for. 287 00:15:15,998 --> 00:15:17,374 I truly believe that. 288 00:15:17,458 --> 00:15:20,669 And I think it's important, as people turn to you, to say, 289 00:15:20,753 --> 00:15:24,715 "What's the fight? Where's the battle? Where should we look? What should we do?" 290 00:15:25,215 --> 00:15:28,594 Identifying who the people who... who the battle is against, 291 00:15:28,677 --> 00:15:30,304 I think... I think it's important. 292 00:15:30,387 --> 00:15:33,849 Do you have people that you don't like? 293 00:15:33,933 --> 00:15:36,644 Absolutely, there are people I don't like. 294 00:15:37,144 --> 00:15:40,648 And I would like to put them on one of Musk's spaceships 295 00:15:40,731 --> 00:15:44,276 and send them all off to the planet he's sure he's going to discover. 296 00:15:44,360 --> 00:15:46,487 Would he be... would he be one of them? 297 00:15:46,570 --> 00:15:49,239 Oh, absolutely. He'd be the host. 298 00:15:49,323 --> 00:15:52,451 And you can imagine who I'd put on that spaceship. 299 00:15:52,534 --> 00:15:55,412 - Who? - Along with Musk would be Trump. 300 00:15:55,496 --> 00:16:00,542 And some of Trump's real supporters. And then I would put Putin in there. 301 00:16:01,043 --> 00:16:02,962 And I would put President Xi. 302 00:16:03,045 --> 00:16:08,050 I'd certainly put Netanyahu in there and his far-right government. 303 00:16:08,133 --> 00:16:11,095 Put them all on that spaceship and send them off. 304 00:16:11,595 --> 00:16:16,684 These men seem like not the alpha... chimp. 305 00:16:17,267 --> 00:16:20,521 They think they are, but it seems that their behavior is not, uh... 306 00:16:20,604 --> 00:16:23,649 Well, we get, interestingly, two types of alpha. 307 00:16:24,274 --> 00:16:26,360 One does it all by aggression. 308 00:16:27,319 --> 00:16:31,782 And because they're strong and they fight, they don't last very long. 309 00:16:32,282 --> 00:16:34,702 Others do it by using their brains, 310 00:16:34,785 --> 00:16:39,206 like a young male will only challenge a higher-ranking one 311 00:16:39,289 --> 00:16:42,418 if his friend, often his brother, is with him. 312 00:16:43,252 --> 00:16:47,047 And... you know, they last much, much longer. 313 00:16:47,548 --> 00:16:49,174 - Interesting. - Mm. 314 00:16:49,258 --> 00:16:54,013 As a scientist who studies behaviors, 315 00:16:54,722 --> 00:16:56,974 wh... how do you explain the behavior like that? 316 00:16:57,057 --> 00:16:59,685 If people behave that way, how do you make sense of that? 317 00:17:00,185 --> 00:17:01,353 Well... 318 00:17:02,479 --> 00:17:03,689 in the '70s, 319 00:17:03,772 --> 00:17:07,317 science of behavior became politicized. 320 00:17:07,818 --> 00:17:12,281 And there was a huge debate about whether aggression in humans 321 00:17:12,364 --> 00:17:14,283 was innate or learned. 322 00:17:14,867 --> 00:17:16,744 Well, from my study of chimpanzees, 323 00:17:16,827 --> 00:17:18,203 our closest relative, 324 00:17:18,287 --> 00:17:22,374 you know, we share 98.7% of our DNA with them, 325 00:17:22,458 --> 00:17:25,127 and the behavior is almost identical. 326 00:17:25,711 --> 00:17:28,714 And so I saw them 327 00:17:28,797 --> 00:17:33,927 behaving in... dark, aggressive, brutal ways, 328 00:17:34,511 --> 00:17:36,388 even a kind of primitive war. 329 00:17:37,306 --> 00:17:41,518 Therefore, I believe that aggression is innate. 330 00:17:41,602 --> 00:17:42,853 - Innate? - Innate. 331 00:17:42,936 --> 00:17:47,066 And we're born with a tendency to become aggressive, 332 00:17:47,566 --> 00:17:49,151 just as chimps are. 333 00:17:49,234 --> 00:17:52,321 Chimps see a stranger from a neighboring community, 334 00:17:52,404 --> 00:17:54,990 and they get all excited, and their hair stands out, 335 00:17:55,074 --> 00:17:57,367 and they reach out and touch another, 336 00:17:57,451 --> 00:18:01,163 and they've got these faces of anger and fear, 337 00:18:01,246 --> 00:18:02,539 and it catches, 338 00:18:02,623 --> 00:18:06,418 and the others catch that feeling that this one male has had, 339 00:18:06,502 --> 00:18:08,170 and they all become aggressive. 340 00:18:08,754 --> 00:18:10,339 So it's contagious. 341 00:18:10,923 --> 00:18:13,092 And humans are susceptible to that as well? 342 00:18:13,175 --> 00:18:17,471 Yeah, I think so. Some of these, um, demonstrations that turn aggressive, 343 00:18:17,971 --> 00:18:19,681 it sweeps through them. 344 00:18:19,765 --> 00:18:22,309 They all want to join in and become aggressive. 345 00:18:22,392 --> 00:18:26,563 I'm not a political analyst or anything like that. 346 00:18:26,647 --> 00:18:30,275 But in behavioral, for... for the chimps, why do they get caught up in it? 347 00:18:30,359 --> 00:18:34,404 Well, they're protecting their territory or fighting for dominance. 348 00:18:35,697 --> 00:18:39,368 And is that the same for humans? Probably sometimes, yes. 349 00:18:39,451 --> 00:18:42,204 But I truly believe that most people are decent. 350 00:18:42,704 --> 00:18:44,081 - You do? - Yes. 351 00:18:44,873 --> 00:18:47,835 Ignorance you can reach. You say evil you can't reach. 352 00:18:47,918 --> 00:18:50,504 - But you believe that you're out there. - Yes. 353 00:18:50,587 --> 00:18:54,341 Part of your mission is to cure ignorance. 354 00:18:54,424 --> 00:18:56,468 And, you know, as I say, my biggest hope 355 00:18:56,552 --> 00:19:01,098 is raising this new generation of compassionate citizens, 356 00:19:01,181 --> 00:19:02,558 Roots and Shoots. 357 00:19:02,641 --> 00:19:04,810 But do we have time? I don't know. 358 00:19:04,893 --> 00:19:07,020 It's a really grim time. 359 00:19:07,521 --> 00:19:10,774 Is this... is this, in all the years you have been fighting this fight, 360 00:19:10,858 --> 00:19:13,777 do you feel like it's the most dangerous time 361 00:19:13,861 --> 00:19:15,112 or the darkest time? 362 00:19:15,612 --> 00:19:19,783 Well, I suppose if I had been older than five years old 363 00:19:19,867 --> 00:19:21,535 when World War II began, 364 00:19:22,035 --> 00:19:24,371 I would say it's about like that. 365 00:19:24,454 --> 00:19:28,709 But because all of Europe was defeated or capitulated, 366 00:19:28,792 --> 00:19:33,046 and it looked as though Nazi Germany would take the world over. 367 00:19:33,672 --> 00:19:36,967 But since then, yes, this is much the worst time. 368 00:19:37,593 --> 00:19:39,094 When you look back now 369 00:19:39,178 --> 00:19:42,806 on all these moments when you were... relentless 370 00:19:42,890 --> 00:19:46,643 and, uh, shameless about winning the fight, 371 00:19:46,727 --> 00:19:47,978 is it the mission? 372 00:19:48,061 --> 00:19:51,106 Is it something in you that just doesn't ever wanna give up? 373 00:19:51,190 --> 00:19:54,443 Never want to give up, and I'm obstinate, and I won't give up. 374 00:19:55,360 --> 00:19:58,155 That doesn't mean you don't have moments of depression, 375 00:19:58,238 --> 00:19:59,239 'cause you do. 376 00:19:59,740 --> 00:20:04,494 But then you come out of it and say, "Okay, I'm not going to let them win. " 377 00:20:04,578 --> 00:20:05,495 Mm. 378 00:20:05,579 --> 00:20:07,831 - It's like Churchill in the war. - Mm. 379 00:20:08,332 --> 00:20:12,586 When Britain was the last nation standing up to Nazi Germany. 380 00:20:12,669 --> 00:20:15,923 Britain was not prepared for war because of Chamberlain, 381 00:20:16,006 --> 00:20:18,342 who wanted to capitulate like France, 382 00:20:18,425 --> 00:20:21,678 but we had Churchill and, you know, his famous speech, 383 00:20:21,762 --> 00:20:23,388 "We'll fight them on the beaches 384 00:20:23,472 --> 00:20:25,807 and we'll fight them in the streets and the cities. " 385 00:20:25,891 --> 00:20:28,769 And then he turned aside to a friend and was heard to say, 386 00:20:28,852 --> 00:20:31,271 "We'll fight them with the ends of broken bottles 387 00:20:31,355 --> 00:20:33,523 'cause that's all we've bloody well got. " 388 00:20:34,316 --> 00:20:37,194 And he roused the spirit of the British people. 389 00:20:37,277 --> 00:20:39,655 I guess he was as obstinate as me. 390 00:20:40,155 --> 00:20:44,117 Do you feel like Churchill in a war for your mission, 391 00:20:44,201 --> 00:20:45,827 for... for... for the planet? 392 00:20:45,911 --> 00:20:47,496 Does it feel like a war to you? 393 00:20:48,121 --> 00:20:49,831 Well, it is a sort of war, isn't it? 394 00:20:49,915 --> 00:20:52,542 I haven't thought of it as a war, but in a way it is. 395 00:20:52,626 --> 00:20:54,044 We talk about a fight. 396 00:20:54,795 --> 00:20:57,089 So I suppose it's a kind of a war. 397 00:20:59,132 --> 00:21:02,135 It's saving Mother Nature. 398 00:21:02,219 --> 00:21:03,095 Right. 399 00:21:04,096 --> 00:21:07,474 And you need... you need... you need a Churchill in that fight who says, 400 00:21:07,557 --> 00:21:11,186 "We're never... we're never quitting, even when it's the darkest. " 401 00:21:11,270 --> 00:21:12,938 Yes, and give people hope. 402 00:21:13,021 --> 00:21:16,024 One thing people say to me from all over, they... 403 00:21:16,108 --> 00:21:18,819 It's been said to me again and again and again, 404 00:21:18,902 --> 00:21:22,489 you know, "Whatever situation you're in," they say, 405 00:21:22,572 --> 00:21:23,699 "you're calm. " 406 00:21:24,574 --> 00:21:26,326 "How can you stay so calm?" 407 00:21:27,119 --> 00:21:28,287 And... 408 00:21:28,370 --> 00:21:30,973 So I think it's because of all the 409 00:21:31,340 --> 00:21:34,776 months and months I spent in the rainforest, 410 00:21:34,811 --> 00:21:36,044 and I keep that. 411 00:21:36,128 --> 00:21:39,506 Right. We talked a little about the idea of boredom, but also the idea of luck. 412 00:21:39,589 --> 00:21:40,507 Yes, luck. 413 00:21:40,590 --> 00:21:42,342 I think a lot of people could look and say, 414 00:21:42,426 --> 00:21:46,471 "Well, a friend happened to tell you about Dr. Leakey. " 415 00:21:46,555 --> 00:21:49,766 He was probably the world's most famous paleontologist at the time, 416 00:21:49,850 --> 00:21:51,852 and he happened to have needed a secretary. 417 00:21:51,935 --> 00:21:54,771 Yes, somebody said, as you said, 418 00:21:54,855 --> 00:21:58,608 uh, "If you're interested in animals, you should meet Louis Leakey. " 419 00:21:59,109 --> 00:22:01,403 But when I met him, 420 00:22:01,486 --> 00:22:04,823 he was head of the Natural History Museum in Nairobi. 421 00:22:05,324 --> 00:22:08,452 He took me all around, asked me lots of questions. 422 00:22:08,535 --> 00:22:09,911 I could answer most of them 423 00:22:09,995 --> 00:22:13,457 'cause I'd read about every book on animals in Africa 424 00:22:13,540 --> 00:22:16,460 that I could lay my hands on. There weren't many back then. 425 00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:18,045 And guess what? 426 00:22:18,545 --> 00:22:22,049 Just before I arrived, his secretary had left. 427 00:22:22,549 --> 00:22:24,926 And he wanted a secretary, and there I was. 428 00:22:25,010 --> 00:22:27,554 It was not a normal secretarial job. 429 00:22:27,637 --> 00:22:30,349 I was in his office, which was huge 430 00:22:30,432 --> 00:22:33,560 and filled with skulls and bones, and, you know, 431 00:22:33,643 --> 00:22:36,188 sometimes people had brought in animals and so on. 432 00:22:36,772 --> 00:22:40,567 And I rescued a little pygmy bush baby, 433 00:22:40,650 --> 00:22:43,278 about this big, with big ears. 434 00:22:43,779 --> 00:22:46,823 And for some odd reason, I called him Levi, 435 00:22:46,907 --> 00:22:50,660 I don't know why, and he came with me to work. 436 00:22:51,161 --> 00:22:53,580 And he liked... They sleep in the day, 437 00:22:53,663 --> 00:22:57,501 so he would sleep in a gourd, which was right over Leakey's desk. 438 00:22:58,001 --> 00:22:59,795 But if a visitor came in, 439 00:23:00,295 --> 00:23:03,006 little Levi's head would peep out of the gourd. 440 00:23:03,090 --> 00:23:04,841 He'd look down at the visitor. 441 00:23:05,342 --> 00:23:06,426 And then he would... 442 00:23:06,510 --> 00:23:12,349 And Leakey knew this was gonna happen. He'd jump onto the unsuspecting visitor. 443 00:23:12,432 --> 00:23:16,520 But when a bush baby jumps, they want their hands to be able to grip. 444 00:23:16,603 --> 00:23:18,146 So they'd pee on them. 445 00:23:19,314 --> 00:23:21,233 So, you know, imagine the fun. 446 00:23:21,858 --> 00:23:26,196 And then the key thing was that Leakey let me go with him, 447 00:23:26,279 --> 00:23:29,908 his wife, and another young, uh, girl 448 00:23:30,492 --> 00:23:32,452 on a trip to Olduvai Gorge, 449 00:23:32,536 --> 00:23:35,080 now a very famous site of early man. 450 00:23:35,163 --> 00:23:39,334 But back then, no fossil... human fossils had been found. 451 00:23:39,418 --> 00:23:42,045 Three months in the middle of nowhere. 452 00:23:42,129 --> 00:23:44,881 Serengeti as nobody will ever see it again. 453 00:23:44,965 --> 00:23:46,091 Animals everywhere. 454 00:23:46,758 --> 00:23:50,762 And Gillian and I would work hard all day digging for fossils. 455 00:23:50,846 --> 00:23:54,307 And then we were allowed out, uh, to have a walk. 456 00:23:55,100 --> 00:23:57,018 And the animals were there. 457 00:23:57,561 --> 00:24:00,439 So one evening, there was a young male lion, 458 00:24:00,522 --> 00:24:04,067 fully grown, mane just starting on his shoulders. 459 00:24:05,193 --> 00:24:08,864 He was standing looking, tail waving gently. 460 00:24:09,448 --> 00:24:10,991 I think he was curious. 461 00:24:11,074 --> 00:24:14,828 Gillian panicked. She wanted us to hide in the vegetation. 462 00:24:14,911 --> 00:24:17,956 I said, "Gillian, the lion will know where we are. " 463 00:24:18,039 --> 00:24:20,125 "We won't have a clue where the lion is. " 464 00:24:20,208 --> 00:24:24,963 "We must climb up onto the plains from the gorge," not very far, 465 00:24:25,046 --> 00:24:29,259 "so he sees that we're not a threat," which is what we did. 466 00:24:29,342 --> 00:24:32,471 And I think it was that evening around the campfire 467 00:24:32,554 --> 00:24:38,185 that Leakey decided that I was the person he'd been looking for to study chimps. 468 00:24:38,268 --> 00:24:42,647 So it was a... a way that was part destiny, part luck, 469 00:24:42,731 --> 00:24:44,858 part determination. 470 00:24:44,941 --> 00:24:46,693 Do you believe in destiny? 471 00:24:46,776 --> 00:24:49,404 I believe that we have 472 00:24:50,238 --> 00:24:52,991 a path that we should take, 473 00:24:53,074 --> 00:24:54,993 but that we have free will. 474 00:24:55,076 --> 00:24:56,953 We don't have to make the choice. 475 00:24:57,037 --> 00:24:59,372 And I believe, looking back in my life, 476 00:24:59,456 --> 00:25:00,874 I've taken the right... 477 00:25:01,833 --> 00:25:03,001 the right turn. 478 00:25:03,084 --> 00:25:06,630 I mean, if... if I'm right that I was born with a mission, 479 00:25:07,547 --> 00:25:13,220 then it was the voice of that, mm... spiritual entity 480 00:25:13,303 --> 00:25:15,764 that put me on the planet. 481 00:25:15,847 --> 00:25:17,557 Do you believe in God? 482 00:25:18,517 --> 00:25:20,852 I believe in a great spiritual power. 483 00:25:20,936 --> 00:25:24,606 I have to believe in it because it's helped me so often. 484 00:25:25,106 --> 00:25:29,861 And do you think that spiritual power has also protected you out in the wild? 485 00:25:29,945 --> 00:25:31,613 I'm sure it has. 486 00:25:33,406 --> 00:25:36,076 I just feel it... it has to be. 487 00:25:36,701 --> 00:25:38,787 You have a magic when it comes to nature. 488 00:25:38,870 --> 00:25:41,790 Obviously, you have a magic that others don't have 489 00:25:41,873 --> 00:25:42,958 that Leakey saw. 490 00:25:43,041 --> 00:25:46,169 It wasn't just that you were a woman and he thought a woman would be better. 491 00:25:46,253 --> 00:25:48,880 It wasn't just that you were good at being nonthreatening. 492 00:25:48,964 --> 00:25:51,091 There's some other magic you have that the... 493 00:25:51,174 --> 00:25:52,551 It is a magic. 494 00:25:53,093 --> 00:25:56,179 And strange things... I do have strange... 495 00:25:56,263 --> 00:25:58,890 Like, I was just talking to a group of people. 496 00:25:58,974 --> 00:26:01,893 We were having a party, just with friends. 497 00:26:01,977 --> 00:26:04,646 And one person said, 498 00:26:04,729 --> 00:26:07,274 "I was somewhere where Jane stopped the rain," 499 00:26:07,357 --> 00:26:08,650 and they laughed. 500 00:26:08,733 --> 00:26:10,485 And I said, "No, it's true. " 501 00:26:11,236 --> 00:26:13,405 What ha- How did you do it? 502 00:26:13,905 --> 00:26:15,824 Well, I just... 503 00:26:17,659 --> 00:26:19,119 asked the rain to stop. 504 00:26:20,036 --> 00:26:22,706 And it... Most times, it doesn't listen when we ask the rain- 505 00:26:22,789 --> 00:26:25,458 No, I know, but it happened again in Malaysia, 506 00:26:25,542 --> 00:26:28,086 and I was with this small, tiny group. 507 00:26:28,169 --> 00:26:31,923 She was a sheikha, you know, the wife of a sheik, powerful lady. 508 00:26:32,007 --> 00:26:34,342 And it was the monsoon season, 509 00:26:34,426 --> 00:26:36,177 which starts like clockwork. 510 00:26:36,678 --> 00:26:39,514 And, uh, somehow, I don't know, we got it a bit wrong. 511 00:26:39,598 --> 00:26:40,890 And just before the end, 512 00:26:40,974 --> 00:26:45,645 when two little boys were going to make a wee presentation of Roots and Shoots, 513 00:26:45,729 --> 00:26:47,897 the first big drops fell. 514 00:26:47,981 --> 00:26:49,858 And she said, "We better go inside. " 515 00:26:49,941 --> 00:26:52,402 And I said, "No, let's hold hands around the table 516 00:26:52,902 --> 00:26:55,780 and ask the rain just to give us half an hour. " 517 00:26:56,656 --> 00:26:57,741 And it stopped. 518 00:26:58,408 --> 00:27:04,164 You always had that kind of connection where you actually talk and it talks back? 519 00:27:04,247 --> 00:27:07,667 Well, you know, it's only recently I've begun putting it all together 520 00:27:07,751 --> 00:27:09,794 and saying that I don't know. 521 00:27:10,962 --> 00:27:12,589 It doesn't happen that often. 522 00:27:12,672 --> 00:27:15,884 Besides speaking chimp, actually speaking the language of chimp, 523 00:27:15,967 --> 00:27:18,428 with animals, there is a connection 524 00:27:18,511 --> 00:27:22,390 that's very real and pure and nonverbal with them. 525 00:27:22,474 --> 00:27:24,392 - I think so. - And with nature in general. 526 00:27:24,476 --> 00:27:27,020 It's what... You know, it's what kept you safe, 527 00:27:27,103 --> 00:27:30,190 I imagine, out in the jungle all that time, for the most part. 528 00:27:30,273 --> 00:27:33,276 Well, maybe, but I learned something interesting. 529 00:27:33,360 --> 00:27:36,154 You know, when I first went, it was Tanganyika, 530 00:27:36,237 --> 00:27:38,448 was a British protectorate. 531 00:27:38,531 --> 00:27:41,534 And so the British authorities told Leakey, 532 00:27:41,618 --> 00:27:44,871 "We're not taking responsibility for something as stupid 533 00:27:44,954 --> 00:27:47,916 as sending a girl into the forest," but he never gave up. 534 00:27:48,500 --> 00:27:51,670 So in the end, they said, "All right, but she can't come alone. " 535 00:27:51,753 --> 00:27:54,005 That's why Mum volunteered to come. 536 00:27:54,089 --> 00:27:56,216 So we stepped onto the shore, 537 00:27:56,299 --> 00:27:58,635 and we'd been told there was a headman, 538 00:27:58,718 --> 00:28:02,931 and we'd been told to bring him a gift, so we gave it to him. 539 00:28:03,014 --> 00:28:06,434 Very soon after that, Mum had this little clinic, 540 00:28:06,935 --> 00:28:10,855 and the fishermen began queuing up. 541 00:28:10,939 --> 00:28:13,817 She only had aspirins and Epsom salts 542 00:28:13,900 --> 00:28:16,611 and saline drips and things like that. 543 00:28:16,695 --> 00:28:18,655 But she spent time with people, 544 00:28:19,155 --> 00:28:21,908 and she made some amazing cures, 545 00:28:21,991 --> 00:28:23,576 so that word spread. 546 00:28:23,660 --> 00:28:27,080 And so I learned much, much, much later, 547 00:28:27,163 --> 00:28:30,500 two of our field staff, I was talking to them, 548 00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:32,001 and they said, 549 00:28:32,711 --> 00:28:35,463 "That guy, Idi Matata, the headman, 550 00:28:35,547 --> 00:28:39,050 he was the most infamous witch doctor the area's ever known. " 551 00:28:39,843 --> 00:28:42,429 And so Idi told all the fishermen 552 00:28:42,512 --> 00:28:44,556 they were to help me, 553 00:28:45,598 --> 00:28:49,561 and they told... he told the animals not to hurt me. 554 00:28:49,644 --> 00:28:53,898 - He told the animals? - Yes. That's what I learned years later. 555 00:28:53,982 --> 00:28:55,734 So how do we know? 556 00:28:58,236 --> 00:28:59,237 How do we know? 557 00:28:59,738 --> 00:29:02,365 There's so much we have still to discover, 558 00:29:03,283 --> 00:29:05,368 you know, and I know when I'm gone, 559 00:29:05,869 --> 00:29:10,039 there'll be more and more discovered if we can save the planet in time. 560 00:29:10,123 --> 00:29:11,082 Mm-hmm. 561 00:29:11,875 --> 00:29:14,502 Where... where are you now as people are watching this? 562 00:29:14,586 --> 00:29:16,463 What's... what's next? 563 00:29:16,546 --> 00:29:18,965 Well, you know, when you die, 564 00:29:19,048 --> 00:29:23,011 there's either nothing, in which case nothing, 565 00:29:23,094 --> 00:29:24,345 or there's something. 566 00:29:25,096 --> 00:29:29,142 And from all the experiences I've read, 567 00:29:29,225 --> 00:29:32,312 you know, the near-death experiences, the books I've read, 568 00:29:32,395 --> 00:29:35,023 and my own personal experience 569 00:29:35,106 --> 00:29:37,567 after my second husband, Derek, died, 570 00:29:37,650 --> 00:29:39,360 I believe there is something. 571 00:29:40,195 --> 00:29:41,404 What was that experience? 572 00:29:41,488 --> 00:29:44,240 After he died, it was one night, 573 00:29:44,324 --> 00:29:45,950 and Derek appeared, 574 00:29:46,576 --> 00:29:49,954 and he was smiling, and he was telling me, 575 00:29:50,038 --> 00:29:52,707 you know, everything was going to be fine, 576 00:29:52,791 --> 00:29:54,709 and he was fine, 577 00:29:54,793 --> 00:29:58,087 and then he kind of disappeared after that. 578 00:29:58,171 --> 00:30:01,049 All I was left with was he was okay. 579 00:30:02,258 --> 00:30:03,176 Wow. 580 00:30:04,052 --> 00:30:07,472 And reincarnation kind of makes sense. 581 00:30:07,555 --> 00:30:11,100 I mean, a lot of religions talk about an old soul. 582 00:30:11,184 --> 00:30:14,813 An old soul has been back in different forms, 583 00:30:14,896 --> 00:30:19,317 and, you know, they gradually, gradually acquire knowledge and wisdom. 584 00:30:19,984 --> 00:30:23,279 I've... Many people have told me I'm an old soul. 585 00:30:23,363 --> 00:30:25,824 Yeah, if... if... if... if we keep coming back, 586 00:30:25,907 --> 00:30:29,619 reincarnating in order to... to evolve, I feel like you're done. 587 00:30:29,702 --> 00:30:32,205 - I feel like this is it for you. - Well, I hope so. 588 00:30:32,288 --> 00:30:34,207 I don't want to come back. 589 00:30:34,290 --> 00:30:36,501 Do you think people come back as the dung beetle, 590 00:30:36,584 --> 00:30:39,295 or they come back always as humans with other opportunities? 591 00:30:40,046 --> 00:30:43,883 I... I personally think that we come back as humans. 592 00:30:43,967 --> 00:30:44,926 Mm. 593 00:30:45,009 --> 00:30:47,720 Because, you know, we've evolved to a different kind of level. 594 00:30:47,804 --> 00:30:49,055 And I don't know... 595 00:30:49,138 --> 00:30:52,100 Well, maybe some humans should go back down there. 596 00:30:52,767 --> 00:30:54,936 You've mentioned a couple on that rocket ship, I think. 597 00:30:55,019 --> 00:30:56,145 Maybe they come back. 598 00:30:56,229 --> 00:30:58,982 Though those dung beetles seem very happy and productive. 599 00:30:59,065 --> 00:31:01,025 Yes, I wouldn't want them to be dung beetles. 600 00:31:01,109 --> 00:31:03,695 I think... I don't know what I'd want them to be. 601 00:31:03,778 --> 00:31:06,823 Oh, yes, they could be the poor, wretched animals 602 00:31:06,906 --> 00:31:10,785 who are used in laboratories to test medicines on. 603 00:31:10,869 --> 00:31:12,120 Let them be those. 604 00:31:12,203 --> 00:31:13,746 - And learn. - And learn. 605 00:31:14,247 --> 00:31:16,666 One thing I was very moved by 606 00:31:16,749 --> 00:31:18,710 was that in Gombe, there were certain chimps 607 00:31:18,793 --> 00:31:20,962 that you clearly had a closer relationship with. 608 00:31:21,045 --> 00:31:22,672 You had David Greybeard, 609 00:31:22,755 --> 00:31:25,758 who, you know, famously showed you that they can use tools. 610 00:31:25,842 --> 00:31:29,220 - Yeah. - You had Flo and her son Flint. 611 00:31:29,304 --> 00:31:31,973 And when Flo died, 612 00:31:33,391 --> 00:31:35,351 that Flint, her... her son... 613 00:31:35,435 --> 00:31:37,520 - Yeah. - ... died of grief, of a broken heart. 614 00:31:37,604 --> 00:31:40,023 Yes. He stopped eating. 615 00:31:41,190 --> 00:31:44,694 And, um, out in the tropics when an animal dies, 616 00:31:44,777 --> 00:31:47,071 very, very quickly, flies lay their eggs. 617 00:31:47,155 --> 00:31:49,157 - Mm-hmm. - And they're white. 618 00:31:49,657 --> 00:31:52,744 And so chimps are very used to dead animals 619 00:31:52,827 --> 00:31:55,371 who don't move and with these white eggs. 620 00:31:55,455 --> 00:31:57,957 And Flint, when Flo died, 621 00:31:58,041 --> 00:32:01,628 he came down about five or six times, 622 00:32:02,170 --> 00:32:03,880 took his mother's hand. 623 00:32:03,963 --> 00:32:06,049 He wanted her to groom him. 624 00:32:06,132 --> 00:32:07,967 So he took her dead hand. 625 00:32:08,468 --> 00:32:11,304 And then I think it was the fifth time he came down, 626 00:32:11,804 --> 00:32:14,182 a fly had laid eggs in her ear, 627 00:32:14,265 --> 00:32:16,768 and there were these white eggs in her ear. 628 00:32:16,851 --> 00:32:21,189 And he poked them, looked at his finger, ran away, 629 00:32:21,272 --> 00:32:25,151 rubbed his finger on the ground like that, and never went near her again. 630 00:32:25,693 --> 00:32:29,280 It was as though some... something clicked. 631 00:32:29,364 --> 00:32:31,032 "She's not going to move again. " 632 00:32:31,658 --> 00:32:35,036 And after that, he climbed a tree 633 00:32:35,119 --> 00:32:38,706 where I had watched them nest before she died, 634 00:32:38,790 --> 00:32:40,875 just a few days before she died. 635 00:32:40,959 --> 00:32:44,253 and he walked very slowly along the branch 636 00:32:44,337 --> 00:32:46,965 to where their joint nest was. 637 00:32:47,048 --> 00:32:48,591 And he just stood there, 638 00:32:49,092 --> 00:32:53,137 and he looked at it for about a minute. 639 00:32:53,638 --> 00:32:57,809 And then he turned slowly, walked away, climbed down, 640 00:32:58,309 --> 00:33:00,728 curled up on the ground, and that was it. 641 00:33:03,606 --> 00:33:05,525 Yeah, it was very sad. 642 00:33:09,654 --> 00:33:11,197 So when you die, 643 00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:15,618 who are the people that you love the most who will be there to welcome you? 644 00:33:15,702 --> 00:33:17,161 I have no idea. 645 00:33:17,245 --> 00:33:20,206 I just don't know, but I just hope and pray 646 00:33:20,289 --> 00:33:22,834 that some of the chimps, that my special chimps, 647 00:33:22,917 --> 00:33:25,461 David Greybeard, um, Rusty, 648 00:33:25,545 --> 00:33:27,547 my childhood dog, Rusty, 649 00:33:27,630 --> 00:33:30,842 and some of the others, I... I hope they'll be there. 650 00:33:30,925 --> 00:33:32,593 And, of course, I hope Mum. 651 00:33:33,553 --> 00:33:35,596 And, um... Yeah. 652 00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:37,974 What about, uh, Derek or Hugo? 653 00:33:38,057 --> 00:33:39,976 - Or your husbands? - Well... 654 00:33:41,519 --> 00:33:43,021 Wouldn't matter so much. 655 00:33:43,104 --> 00:33:45,064 - How come? - I don't know. 656 00:33:47,316 --> 00:33:49,027 Did you feel that kind of closeness 657 00:33:49,110 --> 00:33:51,612 you felt with the chimps or... with Hugo or Derek, 658 00:33:51,696 --> 00:33:55,241 the men you were married to, or your mom, that you felt, uh...? 659 00:33:56,993 --> 00:33:59,412 Uh, Mum was... different, 660 00:33:59,495 --> 00:34:03,041 and obviously it was a different kind of, you know, love. 661 00:34:03,124 --> 00:34:06,085 These things are different. There's lots of kinds of love. 662 00:34:06,836 --> 00:34:10,089 And the love that I had for Derek and for Hugo and for Mum 663 00:34:10,173 --> 00:34:15,845 were all different from the love I had with... with David Greybeard and Rusty. 664 00:34:16,721 --> 00:34:18,931 I... I think it's interesting that, um, 665 00:34:19,015 --> 00:34:22,268 like, when it comes... when it came to romance in your life, 666 00:34:22,852 --> 00:34:26,189 was it something that you felt deeply? 667 00:34:27,106 --> 00:34:30,777 I find it interesting that you're saying that you don't have the same... the same 668 00:34:31,652 --> 00:34:35,990 thoughts of them greeting you, that... that... the ones who you love the most. 669 00:34:38,242 --> 00:34:39,243 Because... 670 00:34:42,205 --> 00:34:44,373 Let me talk about how I was, 671 00:34:45,541 --> 00:34:47,835 and I think about how I was, 672 00:34:48,711 --> 00:34:49,545 that... 673 00:34:51,589 --> 00:34:55,676 It's difficult to explain, but... in some ways, 674 00:34:56,177 --> 00:34:58,513 the two marriages I made were made... 675 00:34:59,013 --> 00:35:04,102 Like, Hugo helped the course I'm on by his film. 676 00:35:05,144 --> 00:35:07,230 Derek helped the course I'm on 677 00:35:07,313 --> 00:35:11,818 because four of my students were kidnapped in 1974. 678 00:35:11,901 --> 00:35:15,613 Gombe was closed, and, but for Derek, it would have ended. 679 00:35:16,489 --> 00:35:19,492 And... had it been otherwise, 680 00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:23,579 I know I shouldn't have married either of them, 681 00:35:25,456 --> 00:35:29,585 because both of them were insanely jealous. 682 00:35:30,461 --> 00:35:32,088 Even if I had a girlfriend, 683 00:35:32,964 --> 00:35:34,507 insanely jealous. 684 00:35:36,050 --> 00:35:37,135 Hugo was 685 00:35:38,386 --> 00:35:41,472 more interested in his career than his son, 686 00:35:41,973 --> 00:35:44,142 in some ways, although he loved him. 687 00:35:44,642 --> 00:35:45,643 Um, 688 00:35:46,477 --> 00:35:47,520 Derek was... 689 00:35:49,147 --> 00:35:51,232 Neither of them could bear the fact 690 00:35:51,315 --> 00:35:55,528 that I was, you know, successful in my career, 691 00:35:56,946 --> 00:35:59,365 even though Derek was a minister and everything. 692 00:35:59,866 --> 00:36:04,287 And so you got... you got married because it was practical? 693 00:36:04,787 --> 00:36:06,873 No, I was in love at the time. 694 00:36:06,956 --> 00:36:08,583 - You were in love? - Yes. 695 00:36:09,667 --> 00:36:12,628 But looking back on it, I wasn't enough in love. 696 00:36:12,712 --> 00:36:13,754 Right. 697 00:36:13,838 --> 00:36:15,131 And looking back on it, 698 00:36:15,214 --> 00:36:18,092 it looks as though I married them for a practical reason. 699 00:36:18,176 --> 00:36:19,760 I didn't at the time. 700 00:36:19,844 --> 00:36:23,598 But... but I'm looking back on how I was, 701 00:36:24,807 --> 00:36:26,225 not as I am. 702 00:36:26,309 --> 00:36:29,896 Right. Was there ever a man who you didn't end up marrying 703 00:36:29,979 --> 00:36:33,691 who you did feel that kind of love, that... somebody that... that got away? 704 00:36:34,734 --> 00:36:36,986 There was one married man, yes. 705 00:36:37,069 --> 00:36:38,487 - Who was that? - No. 706 00:36:38,571 --> 00:36:41,324 No. I mean, you're... now's the time if you're going to. 707 00:36:41,407 --> 00:36:42,742 Now's the time I'm dead, 708 00:36:42,825 --> 00:36:46,329 but probably this man has relatives, no. 709 00:36:46,996 --> 00:36:49,040 If we don't talk about him specifically, 710 00:36:49,123 --> 00:36:51,918 but talk about what it was you felt for him... 711 00:36:53,502 --> 00:36:57,757 Well, we both have the same interests, the same passion for animals. 712 00:36:58,299 --> 00:36:59,175 Uh... 713 00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:03,095 He had a wife that, you know, 714 00:37:03,179 --> 00:37:07,016 he wasn't that... passionate about anymore. 715 00:37:07,642 --> 00:37:10,603 Uh, I was between marriages at that time. 716 00:37:12,021 --> 00:37:16,150 And there was no chance of him leaving her and you guys being together? 717 00:37:16,817 --> 00:37:17,818 No. 718 00:37:19,111 --> 00:37:20,571 Was that a heartbreak? 719 00:37:20,655 --> 00:37:22,323 It was sad at the time. 720 00:37:23,783 --> 00:37:24,617 Yeah. 721 00:37:24,700 --> 00:37:25,701 Do you, um, 722 00:37:26,327 --> 00:37:29,163 Do you have any regrets about... looking back at your life? 723 00:37:29,872 --> 00:37:32,500 Uh, well, I would... for my son's sake, 724 00:37:32,583 --> 00:37:35,336 I would like the first marriage to have worked. 725 00:37:36,003 --> 00:37:39,173 But there were so many ways in which it... it really didn't. 726 00:37:39,257 --> 00:37:42,843 Hm. Did he take the divorce hard? Did Grub take the divorce hard? 727 00:37:42,927 --> 00:37:45,137 I think he did. Yeah. 728 00:37:46,097 --> 00:37:46,973 But, um... 729 00:37:47,056 --> 00:37:50,476 How did that... how did that show up? How did he... How did you know? 730 00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:54,480 Well, because he became rather silent. 731 00:37:54,563 --> 00:37:57,483 And... But it wasn't a real bad upset. 732 00:37:58,776 --> 00:38:01,904 'Cause he didn't have that good a time with his father. 733 00:38:01,988 --> 00:38:02,822 Right. 734 00:38:03,906 --> 00:38:07,952 He just wasn't... maybe somebody who was made to be 735 00:38:08,744 --> 00:38:10,371 a very involved father. 736 00:38:10,454 --> 00:38:12,581 I think something like that. 737 00:38:12,665 --> 00:38:15,960 I mean, there was one... It was Grub's first known Christmas. 738 00:38:16,043 --> 00:38:17,461 He was two. 739 00:38:17,545 --> 00:38:19,922 And we were on the Serengeti, 740 00:38:20,715 --> 00:38:22,258 uh, or Ngorongoro. 741 00:38:22,758 --> 00:38:25,720 And, uh, the wildebeest, you know, 742 00:38:25,803 --> 00:38:30,266 they... they migrate, and a certain time, they swim across a river. 743 00:38:30,349 --> 00:38:32,852 - And it's very dramatic to film. - Mm. 744 00:38:32,935 --> 00:38:36,564 And so a film team, I think it was Japanese, 745 00:38:36,647 --> 00:38:39,942 came and asked Hugo to show them where this would happen. 746 00:38:40,693 --> 00:38:42,570 Hugo had filmed it already. 747 00:38:43,070 --> 00:38:44,530 And so he told them. 748 00:38:44,613 --> 00:38:46,449 And it was Christmas Day. 749 00:38:46,532 --> 00:38:48,159 We found a little... 750 00:38:48,242 --> 00:38:51,078 It wasn't a proper Christmas tree, but Grub was going, 751 00:38:51,162 --> 00:38:54,332 "Daddy's coming, and we're going to have presents at lunchtime. " 752 00:38:54,415 --> 00:38:57,877 And the team, afterwards they said, 753 00:38:57,960 --> 00:39:00,713 "We kept telling your husband, 'We don't need you now. '" 754 00:39:00,796 --> 00:39:02,631 "'You've shown us where this will happen. '" 755 00:39:02,715 --> 00:39:05,301 "'It's Christmas. You need to go back to your family. '" 756 00:39:05,384 --> 00:39:07,261 He never... He stayed out all day. 757 00:39:07,762 --> 00:39:11,932 That... I think that was the thing that cinched it for me. 758 00:39:12,016 --> 00:39:14,310 - You were done. - It was horrible. 759 00:39:14,894 --> 00:39:18,356 It was like, you know, this little boy was so excited. 760 00:39:20,441 --> 00:39:23,402 Yeah. Maybe he was three, even, I can't remember. 761 00:39:26,614 --> 00:39:29,200 Of course, I've never told Grub that, 762 00:39:29,283 --> 00:39:32,328 so maybe he's listening now. 763 00:39:32,411 --> 00:39:33,704 So sorry, Grub. 764 00:39:35,706 --> 00:39:38,459 Do you have any guilt about how you raised him? 765 00:39:39,210 --> 00:39:42,088 No, because I wasn't away from him one day 766 00:39:42,171 --> 00:39:45,341 until he was after three, one night. 767 00:39:45,966 --> 00:39:49,470 So as he is now, the Flint in the situation, 768 00:39:49,553 --> 00:39:52,973 sitting, watching this, grieving you, what would you say to him? 769 00:39:53,557 --> 00:39:56,560 Oh, what would I say to... to him? 770 00:39:57,436 --> 00:40:01,690 We have a relationship that's closer now 771 00:40:02,525 --> 00:40:04,485 than it has been for some time. 772 00:40:04,568 --> 00:40:07,655 And I think he resented the fact that... 773 00:40:07,738 --> 00:40:12,618 I mean, he's... he's remembering that I left him for the chimps, 774 00:40:13,119 --> 00:40:14,161 which isn't true. 775 00:40:14,245 --> 00:40:16,622 - Hm. - He now knows that. 776 00:40:16,705 --> 00:40:18,791 That's why we've got closer again. 777 00:40:20,334 --> 00:40:21,210 So, 778 00:40:22,378 --> 00:40:24,839 I think all I say to him is, 779 00:40:24,922 --> 00:40:26,632 Grub, I did my best for you, 780 00:40:26,715 --> 00:40:30,261 and, I think, somehow made a pretty good job of it 781 00:40:30,344 --> 00:40:32,054 because I'm proud of you. 782 00:40:34,723 --> 00:40:36,809 I think that's something that a son would wanna hear 783 00:40:36,892 --> 00:40:39,205 from their mother more than anything, that... 784 00:40:39,274 --> 00:40:41,295 that... I mean, he knows you love him, 785 00:40:41,454 --> 00:40:42,898 but that you're proud of him. 786 00:40:42,982 --> 00:40:44,275 Yeah, I've told him. 787 00:40:45,234 --> 00:40:47,486 I'm proud of my grandchildren too. 788 00:40:47,570 --> 00:40:50,489 Do you have any messages for them from... from the beyond? 789 00:40:50,573 --> 00:40:52,408 I know you'll be sorry I'm not here, 790 00:40:52,491 --> 00:40:57,121 but, uh, you'll be carrying on the same kind of effort 791 00:40:57,204 --> 00:40:59,874 that I made to make the world a better place. 792 00:41:00,374 --> 00:41:02,877 - And you know my spirit's with you. - Mm. 793 00:41:03,669 --> 00:41:05,296 And I'll know what you're doing. 794 00:41:07,089 --> 00:41:09,967 This is a moment right now, as people are watching this, 795 00:41:10,050 --> 00:41:13,846 where maybe the biggest story in the world is that you've passed away. 796 00:41:13,929 --> 00:41:17,808 I think it'll be a global story. I think there'll be global mourning. 797 00:41:17,892 --> 00:41:20,644 I think a lot of people will be talking about who you were. 798 00:41:21,145 --> 00:41:23,898 So who would you say you were? 799 00:41:25,483 --> 00:41:30,029 I would say I was somebody sent to this world 800 00:41:30,112 --> 00:41:34,074 to try to give people hope in dark times, 801 00:41:34,158 --> 00:41:38,287 because without hope, we fall into apathy and do nothing. 802 00:41:38,787 --> 00:41:42,625 And in the dark times that we are living in now, 803 00:41:43,250 --> 00:41:46,128 if people don't have hope, we're doomed. 804 00:41:46,962 --> 00:41:52,051 And how can we bring little children into this dark world we've created 805 00:41:52,551 --> 00:41:55,387 and let them be surrounded by people who've given up? 806 00:41:55,471 --> 00:41:56,305 Mm. 807 00:41:56,388 --> 00:42:01,936 So even... even if this is the end of humanity as we know it, 808 00:42:02,019 --> 00:42:04,021 let's fight to the very end. 809 00:42:04,104 --> 00:42:09,109 Let's let the children know, you know, that there is hope if they get together. 810 00:42:10,027 --> 00:42:13,030 And even if it becomes impossible for anybody, 811 00:42:13,531 --> 00:42:18,244 it's better to go on fighting to the end than just to give up and say, "Okay. " 812 00:42:19,995 --> 00:42:23,499 And if I asked... ten-year-old Jane, 813 00:42:24,124 --> 00:42:25,376 "Who are you?" 814 00:42:26,335 --> 00:42:27,503 What would she say? 815 00:42:27,586 --> 00:42:30,798 I would say I'm just an ordinary little girl, 816 00:42:30,881 --> 00:42:35,302 rather shy, um, but also quite obstinate, 817 00:42:35,844 --> 00:42:40,349 and that I want to go to Africa, and I want to live with animals. 818 00:42:40,432 --> 00:42:44,478 I feel like there's a difference between the Jane answer and the icon Jane answer. 819 00:42:44,562 --> 00:42:48,190 The first one was the icon Jane answer, and the second was the Jane answer. 820 00:42:48,274 --> 00:42:49,149 That's right. 821 00:42:49,233 --> 00:42:52,736 It seems like your understanding of yourself was pretty clear at ten. 822 00:42:52,820 --> 00:42:54,905 Yeah, I knew what I wanted to do. 823 00:42:54,989 --> 00:42:57,992 - And you knew who you were. - I knew who I was. 824 00:42:58,075 --> 00:43:00,536 Is it hard to think about leaving the fight? 825 00:43:01,745 --> 00:43:04,164 Well, I've fought for so long. 826 00:43:04,707 --> 00:43:06,797 I think I've probably 827 00:43:07,035 --> 00:43:11,079 been accomplishing the reason I was put on this planet. 828 00:43:11,630 --> 00:43:14,883 And there comes a time when I'm really ready 829 00:43:14,967 --> 00:43:19,221 to hand over to others that have picked up the same spirit. 830 00:43:20,681 --> 00:43:24,351 Is there a certain feeling of relief that you'll be able to put that down? 831 00:43:24,435 --> 00:43:28,272 Sometimes, I think, "Oh goodness. " "I really don't want to go on. " 832 00:43:28,355 --> 00:43:29,940 And it's getting harder, 833 00:43:30,441 --> 00:43:32,568 because the world is getting darker. 834 00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:34,737 And it's, um... 835 00:43:34,820 --> 00:43:37,281 You know, it's not just in the US, 836 00:43:37,364 --> 00:43:39,742 but this swing to the far right, 837 00:43:40,242 --> 00:43:43,203 which is harming the environment so terribly. 838 00:43:43,287 --> 00:43:46,457 We're in the midst of the sixth great extinction. 839 00:43:46,540 --> 00:43:48,667 - Mm-hmm. - We've got climate change. 840 00:43:49,251 --> 00:43:53,297 And, you know, everywhere I go, things are different. 841 00:43:54,173 --> 00:43:57,926 Yeah, and I think if anybody reads about those other five extinction events, 842 00:43:58,010 --> 00:43:59,553 you don't wanna be part of those. 843 00:43:59,637 --> 00:44:01,764 You don't wanna be around for when those happen. 844 00:44:01,847 --> 00:44:03,807 It's not... it's not pleasant for anyone. 845 00:44:03,891 --> 00:44:07,853 It would be horrible, and that's why action must be now. 846 00:44:08,854 --> 00:44:13,108 I have no doubt that we have the tools to make the change, 847 00:44:13,609 --> 00:44:16,236 but do we have the will to make the change? 848 00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:19,073 And it seems with some of the top politicians 849 00:44:19,156 --> 00:44:22,493 and corrupt corporations, there is no such will. 850 00:44:22,576 --> 00:44:24,036 The reason why you claim 851 00:44:24,119 --> 00:44:28,082 that you were able to connect with the chimps 852 00:44:28,165 --> 00:44:30,542 was that you were not threatening to them. 853 00:44:30,626 --> 00:44:31,502 Mm. 854 00:44:31,585 --> 00:44:36,215 And then what I've read is you used that same technique 855 00:44:36,298 --> 00:44:37,758 to... to be an activist. 856 00:44:37,841 --> 00:44:40,094 - Yeah. - Is that you would use that. 857 00:44:40,177 --> 00:44:45,015 Yes, because... because, um, I... I just don't think being aggressive 858 00:44:45,849 --> 00:44:47,351 ever... ever works. 859 00:44:47,434 --> 00:44:49,687 You know, if you meet somebody who disagrees, 860 00:44:49,770 --> 00:44:54,024 first of all, listen to them, because maybe they've got something that... 861 00:44:54,108 --> 00:44:56,610 well, got an idea that you hadn't thought about. 862 00:44:56,694 --> 00:45:01,907 And then, if you still think you're on a better track than they are, 863 00:45:02,408 --> 00:45:03,951 how you've got to reach the heart. 864 00:45:04,034 --> 00:45:07,287 It's no good fighting with the head, 'cause they're not going to listen, 865 00:45:07,371 --> 00:45:09,540 especially a big, powerful man, with me. 866 00:45:09,623 --> 00:45:13,502 And... So then, fortunately, as I've lived longer, 867 00:45:13,585 --> 00:45:15,003 I've got more stories, 868 00:45:15,087 --> 00:45:17,923 'cause to reach the heart, you can usually do it with a story. 869 00:45:18,006 --> 00:45:18,924 Mm-hmm. 870 00:45:19,007 --> 00:45:23,137 I do quite a lot of talks to CEOs of big corporations. 871 00:45:23,721 --> 00:45:26,515 And this was our CEO in Singapore. 872 00:45:26,598 --> 00:45:29,393 He came up to me afterwards, and he said, 873 00:45:29,476 --> 00:45:33,814 "What tipped the balance for me was my little girl, eight years old. " 874 00:45:33,897 --> 00:45:35,649 "She came home from school one day, 875 00:45:35,733 --> 00:45:37,568 and she said, 'Daddy, 876 00:45:37,651 --> 00:45:40,654 they tell me that what you're doing is hurting the planet. '" 877 00:45:40,738 --> 00:45:43,949 "'That's not true, is it, Daddy? 'Cause it's my planet. '" 878 00:45:45,117 --> 00:45:47,453 That reached the heart. 879 00:45:47,536 --> 00:45:50,998 And so when I tell that story, that reaches other hearts. 880 00:45:51,081 --> 00:45:52,416 Mm-hmm. Right. 881 00:45:52,499 --> 00:45:54,626 And, you know, living through World War II, 882 00:45:54,710 --> 00:45:59,047 when everything was rationed, you learned not to take things for granted. 883 00:45:59,131 --> 00:46:00,132 Mm-hmm. 884 00:46:00,215 --> 00:46:03,677 So our kids today take things for granted, but you can't blame them. 885 00:46:03,761 --> 00:46:06,263 - Yes. - They expect water to come from a tap. 886 00:46:06,346 --> 00:46:09,016 They expect a light to come on when you turn a switch. 887 00:46:09,099 --> 00:46:10,684 They expect to have food. 888 00:46:10,768 --> 00:46:13,479 It's not their fault that they take it for granted. 889 00:46:13,562 --> 00:46:17,107 I saw that you... you... you reuse your coffee grinds twice, yeah? 890 00:46:17,191 --> 00:46:18,734 Yes. Not always. 891 00:46:18,817 --> 00:46:22,488 If I go to a hotel, uh, you know, every bin, 892 00:46:22,571 --> 00:46:24,782 every paper... waste paper thing, 893 00:46:24,865 --> 00:46:26,492 it's got a plastic in. 894 00:46:26,575 --> 00:46:28,452 Well, that means for one day, 895 00:46:28,535 --> 00:46:31,330 maybe four plastic bags are wasted. 896 00:46:31,914 --> 00:46:33,040 So I take it. 897 00:46:33,123 --> 00:46:36,001 There's usually some paper carton of something 898 00:46:36,084 --> 00:46:38,462 or a used something, 899 00:46:38,545 --> 00:46:40,380 and I put all the waste in that. 900 00:46:40,464 --> 00:46:42,716 I don't use those bags. 901 00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:46,720 And is that... It is... Is it... is it big mission, little actions? 902 00:46:46,804 --> 00:46:48,639 - Is that kind of the idea? - Yes. Yes. 903 00:46:48,722 --> 00:46:51,099 Like, if millions of people do things like that, 904 00:46:51,183 --> 00:46:52,309 it makes big change. 905 00:46:52,392 --> 00:46:54,603 That's the main message of Roots and Shoots. 906 00:46:54,686 --> 00:46:55,687 Yeah. 907 00:46:56,980 --> 00:47:00,067 All right, so, we've sort of come to the end of the interview. 908 00:47:00,150 --> 00:47:01,318 You are magic, 909 00:47:01,401 --> 00:47:04,071 and this conversation has been magic for me. 910 00:47:04,154 --> 00:47:07,115 - I want to thank you. - Ah, it's been interesting for me too. 911 00:47:07,199 --> 00:47:08,325 - I'm really glad. - Yeah. 912 00:47:08,408 --> 00:47:11,745 I wanna just read a little something here, uh, as a thank you to you. 913 00:47:12,663 --> 00:47:15,666 "There's no question you are the 'mother' in Mother Nature. " 914 00:47:16,166 --> 00:47:18,919 "You've redefined how we view our relationship with animals, 915 00:47:19,002 --> 00:47:20,546 the environment, and each other. " 916 00:47:20,629 --> 00:47:23,257 "In terms of your impact in the scientific world, 917 00:47:23,340 --> 00:47:25,384 you stand among the greatest of all time. " 918 00:47:26,260 --> 00:47:28,679 "The only hope for our planet's survival 919 00:47:28,762 --> 00:47:32,349 lies in the countless individuals you've inspired to make a difference. " 920 00:47:32,432 --> 00:47:34,601 "You spent almost a half century traveling the world, 921 00:47:34,685 --> 00:47:37,896 imparting wisdom and hope and guidance to millions of people. " 922 00:47:37,980 --> 00:47:40,065 And now I'm gonna step out, 923 00:47:40,774 --> 00:47:44,319 so you can use this opportunity to do it one last time. 924 00:47:44,820 --> 00:47:45,654 Yes. 925 00:47:45,737 --> 00:47:49,116 Everybody's gonna wanna know what you wanna leave us with. 926 00:47:49,199 --> 00:47:50,742 So the death, okay. 927 00:47:50,826 --> 00:47:52,703 Don't be like Macbeth. 928 00:47:52,786 --> 00:47:55,330 "Now is a very witching time of night 929 00:47:55,414 --> 00:47:57,875 when churchyards yawn and hell itself 930 00:47:57,958 --> 00:48:00,377 breathes forth contagion to the night. " 931 00:48:00,460 --> 00:48:02,296 "Now I could drink hot blood 932 00:48:02,379 --> 00:48:04,047 and do such bitter deeds 933 00:48:04,131 --> 00:48:06,300 as day would quake to look on. " 934 00:48:06,383 --> 00:48:07,634 I think 935 00:48:07,718 --> 00:48:11,346 if Jane Goodall were to have those be her final words to the world, 936 00:48:11,430 --> 00:48:13,599 that would be iconic. 937 00:48:13,682 --> 00:48:15,976 I think people wouldn't believe it. 938 00:48:16,059 --> 00:48:18,979 Hopefully, some people still read Shakespeare. 939 00:48:19,062 --> 00:48:20,147 Yes, I think so. 940 00:48:20,230 --> 00:48:22,649 If they haven't, they'll be inspired to after hearing that. 941 00:48:24,109 --> 00:48:26,820 And before you step out, shall we have a toast? 942 00:48:26,904 --> 00:48:30,699 I would never turn down the opportunity to have a drink with Jane Goodall, 943 00:48:30,782 --> 00:48:35,329 because I feel like that would be a sin that would follow me the rest of my life. 944 00:48:35,412 --> 00:48:37,873 So, yes, even though everyone forgive me 945 00:48:37,956 --> 00:48:40,292 for the face I'm about to make as I drink this. 946 00:48:40,375 --> 00:48:42,127 - But... - You don't need to drink it. 947 00:48:42,210 --> 00:48:44,338 - I want to with you so much. - You can pretend. 948 00:48:44,421 --> 00:48:45,464 No, I can't pretend. 949 00:48:45,547 --> 00:48:47,132 You know, after my mother died, 950 00:48:47,215 --> 00:48:51,219 and six... six months, uh, after her sister died, 951 00:48:51,303 --> 00:48:54,181 and my sister and me were sitting talking, 952 00:48:54,264 --> 00:48:55,849 and I started imagining. 953 00:48:55,933 --> 00:48:59,853 I said, "Oh, can't you see this beautiful white cloud up there?" 954 00:48:59,937 --> 00:49:01,897 "And Mum's up there. " 955 00:49:01,980 --> 00:49:05,317 "And, uh, if there's any heavenly spirit, 956 00:49:05,400 --> 00:49:06,443 she's got it. " 957 00:49:06,526 --> 00:49:08,362 "So let's drink a toast. " 958 00:49:08,445 --> 00:49:12,532 My sister said, "Oh, and if our father is up there, 959 00:49:12,616 --> 00:49:15,827 you know, he'll be zooming around in his Aston Martin 960 00:49:15,911 --> 00:49:17,621 and trying to get Mum for a ride," 961 00:49:17,704 --> 00:49:19,581 because when he was 80, 962 00:49:19,665 --> 00:49:23,794 he used to sneak away from his second wife and call Mum every Sunday. 963 00:49:23,877 --> 00:49:25,754 Oh wow. 964 00:49:25,837 --> 00:49:28,298 - So, anyway... - I didn't know that. Wow. 965 00:49:28,382 --> 00:49:31,802 - We can drink to the cloud contingent. - We'll drink to the cloud contingent. 966 00:49:31,885 --> 00:49:34,638 Anybody dead that you've loved is up there too. 967 00:49:34,721 --> 00:49:37,057 - I hope they're enjoying it. - Drink to the cloud contingent. 968 00:49:37,140 --> 00:49:39,393 - And the health of the planet. - Yes. 969 00:49:39,476 --> 00:49:43,188 And our children and grandchildren. Drink to the future. 970 00:49:50,529 --> 00:49:52,030 Mm, I grin. 971 00:49:53,657 --> 00:49:57,035 What a delight. So thank you. I leave you to it. 972 00:49:57,953 --> 00:49:58,954 Thank you, Jane. 973 00:50:10,799 --> 00:50:12,968 In the place where I am now, 974 00:50:13,719 --> 00:50:15,804 I look back over my life. 975 00:50:16,471 --> 00:50:19,266 I look back at the world I've left behind. 976 00:50:20,809 --> 00:50:23,061 What message do I want to leave? 977 00:50:24,187 --> 00:50:27,566 I want to make sure that you all understand 978 00:50:28,108 --> 00:50:32,029 that each and every one of you has a role to play. 979 00:50:32,529 --> 00:50:33,780 You may not know it. 980 00:50:34,406 --> 00:50:35,824 You may not find it. 981 00:50:36,324 --> 00:50:38,160 But your life matters, 982 00:50:38,243 --> 00:50:40,245 and you are here for a reason. 983 00:50:40,746 --> 00:50:44,624 And I just hope that that reason will become apparent 984 00:50:44,708 --> 00:50:46,501 as you live through your life. 985 00:50:47,335 --> 00:50:49,004 I want you to know 986 00:50:49,087 --> 00:50:53,467 that whether or not you find that role that you're supposed to play, 987 00:50:53,550 --> 00:50:55,135 your life does matter. 988 00:50:55,677 --> 00:50:57,846 And that every single day you live, 989 00:50:57,929 --> 00:51:00,474 you make a difference in the world, 990 00:51:00,974 --> 00:51:04,561 and you get to choose the difference that you make. 991 00:51:05,479 --> 00:51:09,357 I want you to understand that we are part of the natural world. 992 00:51:09,941 --> 00:51:13,111 And even today, where the planet is dark, 993 00:51:14,112 --> 00:51:16,156 there still is hope. 994 00:51:17,365 --> 00:51:18,617 Don't lose hope. 995 00:51:19,242 --> 00:51:23,080 If you lose hope, you become apathetic and do nothing. 996 00:51:23,747 --> 00:51:27,793 And if you want to save what is still beautiful in this world, 997 00:51:28,293 --> 00:51:33,548 if you want to save the planet for the future generations, 998 00:51:34,049 --> 00:51:37,594 your grandchildren, their grandchildren, 999 00:51:38,261 --> 00:51:42,057 then think about the actions you take each day. 1000 00:51:42,599 --> 00:51:45,977 Because multiplied a million, a billion times, 1001 00:51:46,061 --> 00:51:49,981 even small actions will make for great change. 1002 00:51:50,982 --> 00:51:52,025 I want to... 1003 00:51:52,734 --> 00:51:56,571 I... I just hope that you understand 1004 00:51:57,072 --> 00:52:00,909 that this life on planet Earth isn't the end. 1005 00:52:01,701 --> 00:52:02,702 I believe, 1006 00:52:03,411 --> 00:52:04,579 and now I know, 1007 00:52:05,247 --> 00:52:07,958 that there is life beyond death, 1008 00:52:08,542 --> 00:52:11,253 that consciousness survives. 1009 00:52:12,045 --> 00:52:17,467 I can't tell you from where I am secrets that are not mine to share. 1010 00:52:18,301 --> 00:52:23,098 I can't tell you what you will find when you leave planet Earth. 1011 00:52:23,765 --> 00:52:28,019 But I want you to know that your life on planet Earth 1012 00:52:28,645 --> 00:52:30,564 will make some difference 1013 00:52:30,647 --> 00:52:34,484 in the kind of life that you find after you die. 1014 00:52:34,985 --> 00:52:38,822 Above all, I want you to think about the fact 1015 00:52:38,905 --> 00:52:42,033 that we are part... when we're on planet Earth, 1016 00:52:42,534 --> 00:52:43,869 we are part 1017 00:52:44,703 --> 00:52:45,912 of Mother Nature. 1018 00:52:45,996 --> 00:52:48,498 We depend on Mother Nature for clean air, 1019 00:52:48,582 --> 00:52:52,460 for water, for food, for clothing, for everything. 1020 00:52:53,545 --> 00:52:58,133 And as we destroy one ecosystem after another, 1021 00:52:59,009 --> 00:53:02,345 as we create worse climate change, 1022 00:53:02,429 --> 00:53:05,265 worse loss of diversity, 1023 00:53:06,266 --> 00:53:09,561 we have to do everything in our power 1024 00:53:10,395 --> 00:53:12,480 to make the world a better place 1025 00:53:13,148 --> 00:53:17,777 for the children alive today and for those that will follow. 1026 00:53:19,112 --> 00:53:22,324 You have it in your power to make a difference. 1027 00:53:23,408 --> 00:53:24,618 Don't give up. 1028 00:53:25,202 --> 00:53:26,870 There is a future for you. 1029 00:53:26,953 --> 00:53:31,833 Do your best while you're still on this beautiful planet Earth 1030 00:53:31,917 --> 00:53:35,587 that I look down upon from where I am now. 1031 00:53:36,171 --> 00:53:37,547 God bless you all.