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Showtime translation team presents .:. .:. www.show-time.iN .:. 2 00:00:10,350 --> 00:00:19,420 :: Tamura: translation and subtitle :: 3 00:01:46,350 --> 00:01:47,420 John 4 00:02:06,850 --> 00:02:07,420 A true story based on records and interview transcripts 5 00:02:16,750 --> 00:02:20,350 Do you know why we want to talk to you, John? 6 00:02:21,790 --> 00:02:25,890 I don't know, I think 7 00:02:26,560 --> 00:02:29,530 Why do you think I want to talk to you? 8 00:02:30,830 --> 00:02:32,460 About that boy 9 00:02:33,800 --> 00:02:37,370 yes - Because someone stole him and killed him. 10 00:02:37,370 --> 00:02:37,730 .yeah 11 00:02:37,740 --> 00:02:40,840 It wasn't me, I didn't go to Strandbottle shopping center at all 12 00:02:40,840 --> 00:02:43,670 Okay, we don't want to talk about this right now 13 00:02:43,680 --> 00:02:46,840 First, we want to talk about something else 14 00:02:48,280 --> 00:02:50,510 Do you know what the truth is, John? 15 00:02:51,420 --> 00:02:52,480 .yeah 16 00:02:52,750 --> 00:02:57,350 Well, tell us, what do you think the truth means? 17 00:02:58,560 --> 00:03:02,990 That you did something, it becomes the truth 18 00:03:03,630 --> 00:03:06,430 What is a lie then? 19 00:03:09,770 --> 00:03:10,970 I don't know 20 00:03:12,400 --> 00:03:14,770 Is it wrong to lie? 21 00:03:14,770 --> 00:03:17,810 .yeah - So if I say your face is green - 22 00:03:17,810 --> 00:03:22,050 And your hair is pink, then can it be a lie? 23 00:03:22,050 --> 00:03:22,580 .yeah 24 00:03:22,580 --> 00:03:25,850 Okay, so you know what a lie is 25 00:04:01,020 --> 00:04:04,090 Robert, the pictures you saw on TV 26 00:04:04,090 --> 00:04:08,990 James and the two boys he shows off stealing, right? 27 00:04:08,990 --> 00:04:13,660 Yeah, I'm not Because I didn't steal it 28 00:04:13,670 --> 00:04:15,070 Well, that boy in the movie 29 00:04:15,070 --> 00:04:17,530 His jacket is like yours 30 00:04:17,540 --> 00:04:20,900 Many of their jackets are like mine 31 00:04:20,910 --> 00:04:24,910 Well, another boy, whose jacket is the same as John's, walks next to James 32 00:04:24,910 --> 00:04:27,680 Well, he doesn't walk with me 33 00:04:27,680 --> 00:04:30,050 But you are there, aren't you? 34 00:04:30,050 --> 00:04:32,650 Yes, I was 35 00:04:32,650 --> 00:04:35,890 I saw it but we didn't steal it 36 00:04:38,820 --> 00:04:39,820 what was he doing 37 00:04:39,830 --> 00:04:44,590 He was only with his mother He had a blue coat 38 00:04:49,530 --> 00:04:51,700 I think, John, you should know that Robert 39 00:04:51,700 --> 00:04:53,000 In Walton local police station 40 00:04:53,000 --> 00:04:57,110 And he told another story about the events of Friday 41 00:04:57,110 --> 00:04:59,640 Robert probably lied 42 00:04:59,640 --> 00:05:02,410 What do you think Robert lied about? 43 00:05:02,410 --> 00:05:06,150 I don't know, do you think I killed that kid? 44 00:05:06,150 --> 00:05:08,390 No, they don't think so, John 45 00:05:08,390 --> 00:05:10,050 You don't need to be upset 46 00:05:10,060 --> 00:05:12,420 No one says that, John 47 00:05:12,420 --> 00:05:14,160 They just want to know where you were 48 00:05:14,160 --> 00:05:17,860 If you were busy stealing all day You have to tell them 49 00:05:17,860 --> 00:05:20,030 I didn't go to Strandbottle shopping center at all 50 00:05:20,030 --> 00:05:22,170 Is this true or false? 51 00:05:22,170 --> 00:05:23,630 It's true 52 00:05:23,640 --> 00:05:25,700 John once told me that Robert 53 00:05:25,700 --> 00:05:28,140 He wanted to tell a bunch of lies 54 00:05:28,140 --> 00:05:31,010 Robi took me to places I didn't know 55 00:05:31,010 --> 00:05:32,740 He is terrified because there 56 00:05:32,740 --> 00:05:35,410 He doesn't know, but Robert knows 57 00:05:36,750 --> 00:05:39,150 Was there the Strandbottle shopping center? 58 00:05:39,150 --> 00:05:40,850 no - You know Robert says he was with you - 59 00:05:40,850 --> 00:05:44,190 And actually you were together in the Strand Bottle shopping center 60 00:05:44,190 --> 00:05:46,160 We were not - Robert says you were - 61 00:05:46,160 --> 00:05:49,730 Yes, we were there, but we didn't see any children there 62 00:05:49,730 --> 00:05:50,890 We did not steal any children 63 00:05:50,900 --> 00:05:52,700 So you were in the Strandbottle shopping center? 64 00:05:52,700 --> 00:05:53,830 Were you in the Strandbottle shopping center? 65 00:05:53,830 --> 00:05:58,770 Yeah, but we didn't steal any kids at all, Mom We did not steal children 66 00:05:58,770 --> 00:06:01,970 Mrs. Venables, I must ask you not to be angry with him 67 00:06:01,970 --> 00:06:03,770 We never stole a child .never mom 68 00:06:03,780 --> 00:06:05,940 We saw those children together I saw him 69 00:06:05,940 --> 00:06:09,110 We didn't steal any kids at all, Mom Mom, we did not steal a child 70 00:06:09,110 --> 00:06:13,880 You think it was our work, we weren't Our mother did not steal 71 00:06:20,060 --> 00:06:21,860 I think you saw James more than this 72 00:06:21,860 --> 00:06:23,890 Because it can't be done with just a glance 73 00:06:23,900 --> 00:06:24,830 He remembered the blue coat 74 00:06:24,830 --> 00:06:25,660 I never stole it 75 00:06:25,660 --> 00:06:27,460 Well, we believe you 76 00:06:27,470 --> 00:06:30,000 You left the store with that kid, James and John 77 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:32,600 who says - we say - 78 00:06:32,600 --> 00:06:35,470 No, I didn't go out with him at all 79 00:06:36,170 --> 00:06:39,240 Well, explain it to me What happened next? 80 00:06:39,240 --> 00:06:40,980 I did not touch it at all 81 00:06:42,880 --> 00:06:44,650 I did not touch it at all 82 00:06:44,650 --> 00:06:46,620 It is because you remember his coat 83 00:06:46,620 --> 00:06:50,220 John was holding his hand, wasn't he? 84 00:06:52,660 --> 00:06:55,690 Yes, John was holding the child's hand 85 00:06:55,690 --> 00:06:58,560 And he just walked here and there with him 86 00:06:58,560 --> 00:07:00,700 .but then he let go to himself 87 00:07:00,700 --> 00:07:03,170 Where did John leave? 88 00:07:03,170 --> 00:07:04,230 Next to the church 89 00:07:04,240 --> 00:07:05,570 I told John not to cut it 90 00:07:05,570 --> 00:07:06,840 Well, we have a report from a lady 91 00:07:06,840 --> 00:07:11,040 He said two boys and a child Seen above the reservoir 92 00:07:11,040 --> 00:07:14,140 I think it was you and John with Jemiz 93 00:07:15,880 --> 00:07:17,780 What is this kid doing here? 94 00:07:17,780 --> 00:07:20,280 We found it just down the hill 95 00:07:20,290 --> 00:07:22,190 fell 96 00:07:22,190 --> 00:07:24,250 Badly bruised 97 00:07:24,260 --> 00:07:25,990 It was like this when we found it 98 00:07:25,990 --> 00:07:29,560 Better take him to the Walton police station 99 00:07:29,560 --> 00:07:30,690 Do you know where it is? 100 00:07:30,700 --> 00:07:32,600 Yes, we will take it now 101 00:07:44,940 --> 00:07:47,910 If you knew I was going to the Strand Bottle shopping center 102 00:07:47,910 --> 00:07:50,080 I was leading, yes 103 00:07:50,080 --> 00:07:54,120 And you didn't think I killed a child I never 104 00:07:54,120 --> 00:07:56,690 I don't think so at all 105 00:07:56,690 --> 00:08:00,160 Because, because if I said 106 00:08:00,160 --> 00:08:02,730 Because I thought you would I killed him 107 00:08:02,730 --> 00:08:05,030 If I knew all this, John 108 00:08:05,030 --> 00:08:09,300 I will bring you to the police station immediately 109 00:08:09,830 --> 00:08:11,770 Instead of making a strong statement, knock on the door 110 00:08:11,770 --> 00:08:15,070 They point at me in the street 111 00:08:15,070 --> 00:08:20,340 But I thought you think I killed him 112 00:08:57,080 --> 00:09:00,220 We just found it It was lost in the store 113 00:09:00,220 --> 00:09:02,920 Now we are taking him to the police station 114 00:09:02,920 --> 00:09:04,850 If you find it in the Strand shopping center 115 00:09:04,860 --> 00:09:07,190 Why didn't you hand it over to the police station? 116 00:09:07,190 --> 00:09:12,060 We were taking him to Walton local police station 117 00:09:12,060 --> 00:09:16,100 Well, you have a long way to go from the Strand Mall to the station Walton police have come 118 00:09:16,100 --> 00:09:18,970 Well, that's how he guided us 119 00:09:18,970 --> 00:09:20,340 where is your house 120 00:09:20,340 --> 00:09:23,740 The police station is on the way to our house 121 00:09:24,310 --> 00:09:25,940 How are you, little one? 122 00:09:29,080 --> 00:09:31,950 We will take him to the police station 123 00:09:31,950 --> 00:09:34,250 Can you please take care of my little girl? 124 00:09:34,250 --> 00:09:35,920 Let me take him to the police station 125 00:09:35,920 --> 00:09:39,320 Oh, my dog doesn't like children 126 00:09:39,320 --> 00:09:41,820 He is afraid of them, shame 127 00:09:41,830 --> 00:09:45,090 OK guys, do you know which way to go? 128 00:09:45,100 --> 00:09:46,930 Yeah, we know 129 00:09:49,300 --> 00:09:51,770 Are you sure you know the way? 130 00:09:51,770 --> 00:09:53,740 We're going from that side, madam 131 00:10:06,220 --> 00:10:09,450 So, you went with James? 132 00:10:09,990 --> 00:10:12,060 Yes, we went to the Strand Mall 133 00:10:12,060 --> 00:10:14,060 And we took little James with us 134 00:10:14,060 --> 00:10:16,690 Well, he survived 135 00:10:17,190 --> 00:10:17,930 That's right 136 00:10:17,930 --> 00:10:21,060 After that, we took it down and let it go in "Haw". 137 00:10:21,070 --> 00:10:22,170 in the air 138 00:10:22,170 --> 00:10:23,830 Next to the railway 139 00:10:23,840 --> 00:10:25,470 Why did you leave James there? 140 00:10:25,470 --> 00:10:27,700 Because if we take him to the police station 141 00:10:27,710 --> 00:10:32,410 Then we had to go inside. that one He didn't cry, he just looked around 142 00:10:32,410 --> 00:10:34,340 He only had a small scratch 143 00:10:34,980 --> 00:10:36,980 Now if your little brother, Ben, was two years old 144 00:10:36,980 --> 00:10:39,920 Would you let him go there again? 145 00:10:39,920 --> 00:10:41,850 No, because he is my uncle 146 00:10:41,850 --> 00:10:44,350 Then you let a boy like him go? 147 00:10:44,360 --> 00:10:48,890 It's not like that, whatever it is, it's a relationship Not with us 148 00:10:49,460 --> 00:10:51,930 Mom, are they asking John the same questions? 149 00:10:52,460 --> 00:10:55,130 Robert says you took James's hand 150 00:10:55,130 --> 00:10:57,300 and took it out of the store 151 00:10:57,300 --> 00:10:59,970 We didn't get it, we didn't get it - no, we don't - 152 00:10:59,970 --> 00:11:02,140 Robert is saying that you took his hand 153 00:11:02,140 --> 00:11:06,180 We didn't get - ROBERT No, you got - 154 00:11:06,180 --> 00:11:08,280 I didn't get - So why did Robert say this about you? 155 00:11:08,280 --> 00:11:09,110 He is a liar 156 00:11:09,110 --> 00:11:11,210 Well, it's not like that, honey, you tell them the truth - I didn't steal it - 157 00:11:11,220 --> 00:11:14,350 I didn't even touch it when I was new 158 00:11:14,350 --> 00:11:16,320 John, is it okay to continue? 159 00:11:16,320 --> 00:11:16,990 .yeah 160 00:11:16,990 --> 00:11:18,390 John, look at me 161 00:11:18,390 --> 00:11:22,190 Whenever you want, don't continue anymore, just say it 162 00:11:22,190 --> 00:11:23,860 You have to tell the truth, John 163 00:11:23,860 --> 00:11:26,300 Because you are making up stories for us 164 00:11:26,300 --> 00:11:27,260 I never stole a child 165 00:11:27,270 --> 00:11:31,270 Well, if you didn't steal a child, tell us What happened? 166 00:11:31,270 --> 00:11:32,470 Was it Robert's job? 167 00:11:34,270 --> 00:11:39,280 You are shaking your head - Yeah, he dropped it on the road - 168 00:11:39,280 --> 00:11:41,080 Okay, let's go back to the store 169 00:11:41,080 --> 00:11:44,050 No, I never touched a child Mom, I didn't 170 00:11:44,050 --> 00:11:45,110 ok 171 00:11:47,050 --> 00:11:49,490 Come here, boy, okay Nothing, nothing 172 00:11:49,490 --> 00:11:51,890 .oh god no- keep calm 173 00:11:51,890 --> 00:11:54,320 It's not possible, I didn't touch it at all 174 00:11:54,330 --> 00:11:56,860 Sit down, go to your mom 175 00:11:56,860 --> 00:11:59,800 Okay, okay, you're making me cry Darmiari, see 176 00:11:59,800 --> 00:12:03,930 It wasn't my business, Mom. I know you don't do that, I know you with a boy - You don't do that 177 00:12:03,940 --> 00:12:09,070 Okay, so why don't you tell us? What's up, John? 178 00:12:09,070 --> 00:12:10,510 I let Robert do his work 179 00:12:10,510 --> 00:12:13,510 tell me the truth Right now, John, please 180 00:12:13,510 --> 00:12:14,580 I never killed him, Mom 181 00:12:14,580 --> 00:12:17,810 We just took it and dumped it in the canal That's it, mom 182 00:12:17,820 --> 00:12:20,850 Did you do it in the canal near Strand Mall? 183 00:12:20,850 --> 00:12:24,990 yes - Where did you find it in the store? - I don't know, he went wherever he wanted - 184 00:12:24,990 --> 00:12:28,890 I didn't kill him, mom I didn't kill him, mom 185 00:12:28,890 --> 00:12:29,890 I would never hurt a child 186 00:12:29,890 --> 00:12:34,430 I know you wouldn't hurt a child - I want to go home, I told you everything I knew 187 00:12:34,430 --> 00:12:39,040 You want to put me in jail It wasn't my job, mom 188 00:12:39,040 --> 00:12:44,970 It wasn't me, it wasn't me, it wasn't me 189 00:12:51,010 --> 00:12:53,580 You know, Robert, if James is hurt 190 00:12:53,590 --> 00:12:56,120 And we find his blood on your clothes or John 191 00:12:56,120 --> 00:12:58,860 So we understand that you were there when he was injured 192 00:12:58,860 --> 00:13:01,460 But how do you know that it is the blood of little Himez? 193 00:13:01,460 --> 00:13:04,530 We understand because his body is in our hands 194 00:13:04,530 --> 00:13:05,490 where 195 00:13:05,500 --> 00:13:07,200 Well, it doesn't matter where 196 00:13:07,200 --> 00:13:10,330 He was probably taken to the hospital first 197 00:13:10,340 --> 00:13:11,300 why 198 00:13:11,300 --> 00:13:14,600 To draw blood from him, like the same thing to do with you 199 00:13:14,610 --> 00:13:18,370 They take blood from him to try Bring it back to life? 200 00:13:18,380 --> 00:13:22,510 no - No, they can't do that - 201 00:13:23,550 --> 00:13:25,550 Telling me it's cut in half 202 00:13:25,550 --> 00:13:28,890 Well, it can't be resurrected, can it? 203 00:13:28,890 --> 00:13:31,050 If it is cut in half? 204 00:13:33,290 --> 00:13:37,460 Maybe it's my blood because I bled because of a cut 205 00:13:38,000 --> 00:13:41,400 Well, you couldn't do that with your shoes 206 00:13:41,400 --> 00:13:44,670 And blood was found on your shoe 207 00:13:47,010 --> 00:13:48,910 I didn't kill him 208 00:13:48,910 --> 00:13:52,640 You all want to say that I killed him 209 00:13:52,640 --> 00:13:55,210 Why don't you tell John? 210 00:13:55,210 --> 00:13:59,120 Ask John, I did not touch him 211 00:14:34,480 --> 00:14:40,190 John, your father and I want to tell you something 212 00:14:40,690 --> 00:14:43,690 And that is something important, okay? 213 00:14:43,700 --> 00:14:44,990 ok 214 00:14:45,000 --> 00:14:51,270 We want you to know that we love you very very much 215 00:14:53,170 --> 00:14:54,700 .more than anything 216 00:14:55,440 --> 00:14:58,670 And nothing is going to change that, okay? 217 00:14:59,680 --> 00:15:03,250 ok - Well, what I want to tell you, John - 218 00:15:03,250 --> 00:15:08,720 It doesn't matter what happens It doesn't matter what you did 219 00:15:08,720 --> 00:15:12,150 Even if it is a very, very bad thing 220 00:15:13,460 --> 00:15:17,330 We will always love you You know that, right? 221 00:15:17,330 --> 00:15:18,390 .yeah 222 00:15:19,600 --> 00:15:23,170 .We will always love you, John 223 00:15:23,170 --> 00:15:26,770 But you have to tell the truth 224 00:15:26,770 --> 00:15:30,040 Mom 225 00:15:33,680 --> 00:15:36,550 Mom, I wanted to tell you 226 00:15:42,320 --> 00:15:44,050 I killed him 227 00:16:09,480 --> 00:16:11,510 What about his mother? 228 00:16:11,520 --> 00:16:14,350 Do you tell him that I'm sorry? 229 00:16:20,090 --> 00:16:22,590 Where did you find James? 230 00:16:24,160 --> 00:16:25,460 Butcher section 231 00:16:25,460 --> 00:16:28,260 And who thought to steal it? 232 00:16:28,570 --> 00:16:33,270 I, then Robert's idea was to kill him 233 00:16:34,170 --> 00:16:35,770 Why did you want to steal it? 234 00:16:35,770 --> 00:16:40,610 I just told Robert that this boy is missing? 235 00:16:40,610 --> 00:16:42,810 We looked around for his mother 236 00:16:42,810 --> 00:16:48,250 But then we got tired and went to that channel 237 00:16:49,120 --> 00:16:53,420 Hey little one, it's nothing Looking at the water, it is not like that 238 00:16:53,420 --> 00:16:54,860 Let's push it inside 239 00:16:56,830 --> 00:17:00,660 Then Robert caught him and threw him to the ground 240 00:17:00,670 --> 00:17:04,230 This is how his head swelled 241 00:17:04,240 --> 00:17:06,500 Then he started crying? - .yeah - 242 00:17:13,810 --> 00:17:18,180 We ran away but then we came back 243 00:17:18,180 --> 00:17:21,120 And he came towards us 244 00:17:39,540 --> 00:17:41,540 I feel sick because I have a little brother 245 00:17:41,540 --> 00:17:43,310 I had it since school 246 00:17:43,310 --> 00:17:48,880 I want to tell my mom that I don't want to anymore My brother, take care 247 00:17:49,680 --> 00:17:50,750 Yala 248 00:18:23,850 --> 00:18:26,920 We went to the middle of the bridge 249 00:18:26,920 --> 00:18:29,650 And Robert opened a can of paint 250 00:18:29,650 --> 00:18:35,490 And then he threw it in James's face 251 00:18:37,190 --> 00:18:39,630 I can't tell you anything else 252 00:18:40,530 --> 00:18:41,600 why 253 00:18:43,200 --> 00:18:48,200 Because give me one 254 00:18:48,210 --> 00:18:53,980 Okay, that's right, I know it's a little bad 255 00:18:53,980 --> 00:18:56,450 But you know what you did If you try harder 256 00:18:56,450 --> 00:18:58,510 Can you tell us? 257 00:18:58,520 --> 00:19:00,920 Just take a break Think about it 258 00:19:00,920 --> 00:19:03,390 And just tell us what happened 259 00:19:04,820 --> 00:19:06,920 We took him on the train tracks 260 00:19:07,490 --> 00:19:10,460 and started throwing stones at him 261 00:19:10,460 --> 00:19:11,590 when 262 00:19:12,530 --> 00:19:13,660 Robbie 263 00:19:15,230 --> 00:19:18,230 Then he said, he said stay there" 264 00:19:18,240 --> 00:19:20,940 "We will get you a bandage 265 00:19:20,940 --> 00:19:26,310 Then he picked up the stone and threw it in his face 266 00:19:26,710 --> 00:19:28,980 Robert, you have denied many things 267 00:19:28,980 --> 00:19:30,550 And then you accepted them 268 00:19:30,550 --> 00:19:31,780 We were right about them 269 00:19:31,780 --> 00:19:34,280 And we are right in this case 270 00:19:34,290 --> 00:19:36,890 Yeah, well, I didn't kill him 271 00:19:36,890 --> 00:19:40,290 If you just tell them the truth, that's all It will finish in a few minutes 272 00:19:40,290 --> 00:19:42,730 John threw a stone in his face 273 00:19:42,730 --> 00:19:43,990 why 274 00:19:44,000 --> 00:19:44,890 I don't know 275 00:19:44,900 --> 00:19:48,700 Well, you're finally talking, aren't you? 276 00:19:48,700 --> 00:19:50,030 We are getting to the truth 277 00:19:50,030 --> 00:19:53,270 Yeah, well, I want to stop all this blaming 278 00:19:53,270 --> 00:19:53,970 Just because blood was found on me 279 00:19:53,970 --> 00:19:57,470 What happened after John threw the stone? 280 00:19:57,480 --> 00:19:58,970 A stone hit his face 281 00:19:58,980 --> 00:20:00,640 and fell on the ground 282 00:20:00,650 --> 00:20:02,710 Why didn't you just leave? 283 00:20:02,710 --> 00:20:05,550 I went, then I ran away 284 00:20:05,550 --> 00:20:07,680 I left my life alone 285 00:20:07,690 --> 00:20:11,390 What happened to that child? - He was crying like this on the ground - 286 00:20:11,590 --> 00:20:13,520 Was he unconscious or conscious? 287 00:20:13,720 --> 00:20:15,490 what do you mean 288 00:20:15,490 --> 00:20:17,030 It was like he was asleep, right? 289 00:20:17,030 --> 00:20:18,890 He was awake 290 00:20:19,760 --> 00:20:25,770 Then Robbie said "pick up a stone and throw it" 291 00:20:25,770 --> 00:20:31,070 But I just threw it on the ground 292 00:20:31,080 --> 00:20:37,580 I did it on purpose because I didn't want to to hurt him 293 00:20:37,580 --> 00:20:42,380 But then Robbie took the same stone and He threw it again 294 00:20:42,390 --> 00:20:46,620 I don't think you told us the whole truth 295 00:20:46,620 --> 00:20:47,620 That was all I saw 296 00:20:47,630 --> 00:20:49,090 We already know what happened 297 00:20:49,090 --> 00:20:51,460 .and that doesn't clear up a lot of things 298 00:20:51,460 --> 00:20:53,000 Were you there and saw me? 299 00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:56,900 No, but we can tell what happened from his wound 300 00:20:56,900 --> 00:21:00,740 Why should I buy him flowers if I wanted to kill him? 301 00:21:00,740 --> 00:21:04,740 I know the truth, I believe it I know the truth 302 00:21:04,740 --> 00:21:06,440 Me too, I was there 303 00:21:06,440 --> 00:21:08,810 right - You weren't - 304 00:21:10,780 --> 00:21:14,920 Then Robi threw about 10 stones 305 00:21:14,920 --> 00:21:17,590 I only threw five or six 306 00:21:17,820 --> 00:21:21,960 But it slipped out of my hand and I hit his hand 307 00:21:21,960 --> 00:21:25,430 I didn't want to hurt his hand at all 308 00:21:25,430 --> 00:21:28,600 I wanted to throw the stone away from him 309 00:21:28,600 --> 00:21:29,930 Was he injured? 310 00:21:30,770 --> 00:21:32,000 everywhere 311 00:21:34,500 --> 00:21:35,670 It's all our family's fault 312 00:21:35,670 --> 00:21:37,670 It is our family that should always be blamed 313 00:21:37,680 --> 00:21:39,980 Maybe your family is blameworthy in the past 314 00:21:39,980 --> 00:21:42,080 But in this case We are right, aren't we? 315 00:21:42,080 --> 00:21:44,910 No, because I didn't touch it at all 316 00:21:44,920 --> 00:21:47,050 Tell us what happened next 317 00:21:47,050 --> 00:21:48,680 John threw another stone 318 00:21:48,690 --> 00:21:50,490 Where did it go? 319 00:21:50,490 --> 00:21:51,850 .here 320 00:21:51,860 --> 00:21:52,960 What happened next? 321 00:21:52,960 --> 00:21:56,020 Then he hit him again with a big iron thing that had holes in it 322 00:21:56,030 --> 00:21:57,790 Where did he hit it? 323 00:21:57,800 --> 00:22:01,830 In his head, he went and hit him just like that 324 00:22:02,600 --> 00:22:07,470 He hit it with a stick, I thought it was ineffective 325 00:22:07,470 --> 00:22:11,940 Then we threw some stones at him and ran away 326 00:22:11,940 --> 00:22:13,510 why did you run away 327 00:22:13,510 --> 00:22:17,650 I don't know, I just told Robert 328 00:22:17,650 --> 00:22:21,050 Do you think it is not enough? 329 00:22:21,580 --> 00:22:23,750 Were you angry with James? 330 00:22:23,750 --> 00:22:28,090 No, I really didn't want to hurt him 331 00:22:28,090 --> 00:22:29,560 I didn't want to hurt him 332 00:22:29,560 --> 00:22:34,000 Because I didn't want to hurt him with heavy things 333 00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:35,860 .just light things 334 00:22:35,870 --> 00:22:40,170 So you just wanted to hurt him a little 335 00:22:43,070 --> 00:22:45,070 Answer the question 336 00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:49,650 Why did you want to hurt him a little? 337 00:22:49,950 --> 00:22:54,580 .I mean, I really didn't want to hurt him 338 00:22:54,590 --> 00:22:59,120 Robert probably, Robbie probably for fun 339 00:22:59,120 --> 00:23:03,830 Or something like that Because you laugh out loud 340 00:23:04,090 --> 00:23:07,230 Why, why did he do that? 341 00:23:07,230 --> 00:23:08,660 Why did John do this? 342 00:23:08,670 --> 00:23:10,100 I don't know, I don't know this anymore 343 00:23:10,100 --> 00:23:12,940 Robert, I can't believe you just stood in a corner like that 344 00:23:12,940 --> 00:23:15,740 When he was alive, he used to do all these things 345 00:23:15,740 --> 00:23:16,840 I tried to stop him 346 00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:19,480 John approved of stone throwing, things like that 347 00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:22,510 But he also blames you for many things 348 00:23:22,510 --> 00:23:24,850 I don't think John has done everything 349 00:23:24,850 --> 00:23:26,850 Yeah, well, it wasn't my job 350 00:23:26,850 --> 00:23:27,980 I think you hit it 351 00:23:27,990 --> 00:23:31,820 Well, this is your opinion There is only one person here who knows the whole truth - 352 00:23:31,820 --> 00:23:34,220 I know, and I said it all right now 353 00:23:34,230 --> 00:23:38,930 I know that's why I never hit him I have no remorse 354 00:23:40,230 --> 00:23:46,570 I can't, I can't bear sitting here anymore 355 00:23:47,900 --> 00:23:51,740 Did one of you take off James's two clothes? 356 00:23:52,110 --> 00:23:56,280 Robert took off his underwear and shorts 357 00:23:56,280 --> 00:23:58,550 I also took off his shoes 358 00:24:01,620 --> 00:24:02,820 why 359 00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:08,990 I don't know why, it was a week ago, I can't remember it all 360 00:24:09,830 --> 00:24:11,090 I didn't do anything else, dad 361 00:24:11,100 --> 00:24:13,760 He asks very difficult questions 362 00:24:54,740 --> 00:24:56,140 Why should I want to kill a child? 363 00:24:56,140 --> 00:24:57,670 When I have one myself? 364 00:24:57,680 --> 00:25:01,940 If I wanted to kill a child, I would kill one of my own, right? 365 00:25:01,950 --> 00:25:06,010 Well, you said yourself that your little baby is part of your family, right? 366 00:25:06,020 --> 00:25:06,980 what do you mean 367 00:25:06,980 --> 00:25:08,250 Well, this is what you said yourself 368 00:25:08,250 --> 00:25:09,990 I know that he is my family I'm not stupid 369 00:25:09,990 --> 00:25:12,050 I don't understand why you are blaming me 370 00:25:12,060 --> 00:25:13,860 When James' body was found 371 00:25:13,860 --> 00:25:17,630 Her panties were off 372 00:25:18,060 --> 00:25:20,630 Can you tell us the reason? 373 00:25:20,630 --> 00:25:24,070 no - Did you go out with him? - 374 00:25:24,070 --> 00:25:25,230 with whom 375 00:25:26,100 --> 00:25:28,300 With James 376 00:25:28,310 --> 00:25:29,640 No 377 00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:30,370 are you sure 378 00:25:30,370 --> 00:25:33,080 Yeah, I'm not a pervert, you know? 379 00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:35,780 John says that you were the one who took off his shorts and underwear 380 00:25:35,780 --> 00:25:38,080 So, you accept what John said 381 00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:40,820 And you just ignore me So I will ignore you 382 00:25:40,820 --> 00:25:43,690 James's mouth was injured 383 00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:46,250 Do you know anything about this? 384 00:25:46,260 --> 00:25:48,960 No, I won't answer anymore 385 00:25:49,790 --> 00:25:51,230 I think there are still things 386 00:25:51,230 --> 00:25:53,260 .that you didn't tell us, John 387 00:25:53,260 --> 00:25:57,300 Batteries, what were those batteries doing there? 388 00:25:58,740 --> 00:25:59,230 I don't know 389 00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:00,200 I think you should know, John 390 00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:03,010 I never put them there Robert dropped them 391 00:26:03,010 --> 00:26:04,410 A little more than throwing 392 00:26:04,410 --> 00:26:07,780 I don't know, I don't know, Dad 393 00:26:07,780 --> 00:26:11,180 John, what happened with the batteries is horrible? 394 00:26:11,180 --> 00:26:14,350 I said something about Robert with the batteries I don't know what he did 395 00:26:14,350 --> 00:26:15,320 so why are you crying 396 00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:19,190 Because you blame me for it being my job I don't know anything about batteries 397 00:26:19,190 --> 00:26:21,090 I don't know, I don't know 398 00:26:21,090 --> 00:26:23,390 Hey, hey, don't hit your dad 399 00:26:23,390 --> 00:26:24,860 My dad thinks I know, but it's not like that 400 00:26:24,860 --> 00:26:28,930 You are saying that I know, but I don't know I only know that he was killed 401 00:26:28,930 --> 00:26:30,430 Calm down, John 402 00:26:31,170 --> 00:26:33,270 Can you tell us what happened to James? 403 00:26:33,270 --> 00:26:35,340 I don't know, I didn't see anything at all 404 00:26:35,340 --> 00:26:36,870 John, you have to accept that 405 00:26:36,870 --> 00:26:39,040 You saw everything that happened there 406 00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:41,310 Because you were part of it 407 00:26:41,310 --> 00:26:42,080 No, never 408 00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:44,110 So you can't say that you didn't see anything 409 00:26:44,110 --> 00:26:46,980 No, I want my mom Please, it was not my job 410 00:26:46,980 --> 00:26:49,280 Please, I don't know Finish it, Dad 411 00:26:49,290 --> 00:26:51,020 Please finish it, finish it 412 00:26:51,020 --> 00:26:53,690 finish it, finish it Finish it! 413 00:26:55,690 --> 00:27:05,690 A final interview was conducted with John Venables and Robert Dompson But the details were deemed too inconvenient to air in court 414 00:27:05,690 --> 00:27:12,690 The four tapes were forbidden to be played by the jury .and it was never made public 415 00:27:13,380 --> 00:27:15,980 We want to go for a walk, John 416 00:27:15,980 --> 00:27:19,780 We will start from the Strand Mall and you can Show us the way you went from there 417 00:28:24,210 --> 00:28:26,210 There we are 418 00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:29,820 There is a lot of it around here 419 00:28:29,820 --> 00:28:32,320 You don't need them anymore, do you? 420 00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:37,460 How come my photo is black and white? 421 00:28:37,460 --> 00:28:39,560 But not Robert? 422 00:28:43,300 --> 00:28:45,300 I don't know, John 423 00:28:57,310 --> 00:29:01,050 Was it a train that passed? 424 00:29:01,050 --> 00:29:01,880 .yeah 425 00:29:01,890 --> 00:29:04,550 I know all those trains 426 00:29:26,550 --> 00:29:35,150 John Venables and Robert Dompson were tried at the adult court in Liverpool On November 24, 1993 When they were only 10 years old, they were accused of kidnapping and murdering Jamiz Bulger 427 00:29:39,150 --> 00:29:35,150 They became the youngest convicted murderers of the 20th century 428 00:29:50,050 --> 00:29:59,150 :: Tamura: translation and subtitle :: 429 00:30:01,050 --> 00:30:10,150 .:. 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