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You can have a seat, okay?

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Okay, just have a seat.

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Okay, Mr. Hamilton, just have a seat.

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Hold your head straight, dear.

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Okay, have a seat.

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Okay sir, just have a seat.

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Have a seat.

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- Have a seat.

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- Okay, just have a seat, please.

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Mr. Wills, would you mind removing your hat, please?

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- 3A.

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- Alexander Coswell.

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- 4C.

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- Indian people here don't like here, you know?

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I'm gonna fight you for Oklahoma, you know.

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Don't wanna give you nothing because I'm a Indian.

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What's happened to the Indian people, you know?

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What's happened?

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You don't good, not good?

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I'm a human being like anybody,

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like a white or black or something like that.

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I'm human, I'm a human, you understand?

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They don't want to help you, you know,

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they don't want me helping.

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'Cause I'm an Indian people, you know?

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I see too many Indian people in this country, you know,

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in New York.

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You got in Washington, you know?

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I take it all from there,

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because in there like camp,

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a concentration camp.

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You taken all my land, you know,

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and push me on a reservation like a jail.

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You know?

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And now he don't dig it too much.

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He don't dig it.

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The government, they don't like the Indian people.

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You understand?

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It preys on the Indian people, you know?

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Every time I go he say, you Indian?

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Get outta here!

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I don't want you Indian...

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That's not good.

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You know that is not good.

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Because you know if you suppose I'm a human being, you know?

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Like you, like any people, you know.

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Yes ma'am.

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- I called 39 Broadway.

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- Okay ma'am.

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- So far as we know, they have made no provisions

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to issue ID cards to their claimants.

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- Right, that's right, thank you.

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- But on the other hand, welfare cannot give you one either

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because you're not on our rolls.

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The best thing for you to do when you get your check

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is go to a check cashing place

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or maybe a landlord will cash it.

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Keep going to SSI until they come up with some ID

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so that you'll be able to cash your check.

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But sir, sir, we cannot give it to you,

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because your checks don't come from us.

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Your check does not come from us,

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so we cannot give you an ID card.

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You go in with an ID card from one department

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and you get your check from another department,

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it's not gonna help you.

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- I know, but I need the picture for change my check.

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- No, I'm sorry, they won't give it to you.

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You have to get it from them...

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- Yeah, listen man.

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You know, I just go in yesterday

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and you know, walk in because I ain't got no money.

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I walk in all the way up from Broadway

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and I explain my situation.

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He said they don't give you a Medicaid card there

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and he don't give you ID card there, you know?

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He said go to 40th Street,

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maybe you can solution your case.

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I need help.

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- Nevertheless, this is a problem

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that you have to take up with them,

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Waverly's no longer responsible.

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- But what can I do now for check my check?

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- You've got your check, you have your check in your pocket?

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- You know, I just tried it, you know.

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To get the picture because...

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- I explained to you several times

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that we cannot give it to you, I'm sorry.

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- Right, I know.

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You know, so my check come, and the check come in...

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- Take it to a check cashing place.

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- Yes, but I ain't got no ID card, you don't give it to me,

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good lady.

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- Keep going to 39 Broadway and tell them

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you're having difficulty cashing your check

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and you need some kind of ID.

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- I just said I tell him yesterday,

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tell him I supposed to get a picture, because you know,

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he don't give it to me, he don't want to give it to me.

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- I'm sorry, Waverly can't either,

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Waverly's not responsible.

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- So I supposed...

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You lose my ear.

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- Oh, thank you.

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- Yeah, so you know, what I can do now?

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Explain the situation again?

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Okay, thank you very much, young lady.

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- So you were out of the apartment in November?

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- That's right.

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- November 28th.

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- Novembers 28th, and then you went...

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Over here it says you went to the halfway house

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December 27th, that's a month later.

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- Yeah.

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- Okay...

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- We were staying...

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- No what's she's saying is what did you do

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from November 28th to...

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- December 27th, where were you?

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- Well, I was in and out of jail.

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It was like one day at a time,

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like they would, you know...

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- It says you were only in jail for one day.

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- I know that, but previous to that too,

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you know, like it was, they just...

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We went into restaurants

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and we were just eating and not paying our bill

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because we didn't have any money.

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So they picked us up, you know, like on that,

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and we'd spend the night in jail or something,

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and then they released us out into the street again.

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- And we were staying in...

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We were staying with a friend of mine.

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- When you worked for the department,

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you know, you were making good money.

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- That's right.

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Like I stayed in each position for about a year

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or a year and half, I kept taking service exams.

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That's how I got promoted.

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I started as a grade three

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and then I went to supervising clerk,

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then I became.

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- See we haven't...

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- It's been a year, two years,.

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- We haven't got your accounts, right?

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We just got the letter from the bank saying that

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your accounts are closed.

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- He lost the passbook.

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- No no, wait a minute, wait.

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And then you're telling me that you only these amounts

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in each account, but you were making relatively good money,

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I can't understand how...

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- $198 in rent was one item, okay?

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- I know, I know.

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- And what about for food?

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We had to spend on food.

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- That's right, we spent money on entertainment.

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- What kinda entertainment?

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- Movies.

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- Movies.

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- Drinking.

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You know what I mean?

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- How come you've never worked?

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- I'm an epileptic and I can't work.

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- Okay.

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- We had to pay electric, yeah, and so on.

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- Have you got a medical...

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- I don't have any medical because my doctor...

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- You have Medicaid, that's the only thing.

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- Medicaid is the only thing I have.

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- Are you under any medication?

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- No, I don't take any medication

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because the doctor told me I don't need it,

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it's just that I gotta take it easy and relax

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and I'm not allowed to work, I wish I could, I would work.

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- They gave us the Medicaid because we, you know,

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we are in a situation.

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- That's right.

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- Well the reason I'm asking you all these questions.

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- Yeah.

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- It's true you're an emergency,

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so we are giving you the emergency interview.

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But every aspect of your application has to be gotten into.

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Okay?

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Okay.

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I'm surprised you asked that

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being that you were a supervisor in social services.

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You should know.

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- Well, you know, sure, but at the moment

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I'm thinking in terms of answering your questions

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and of you know...

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- Did you ever get social security under your fathers?

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- My father I don't know, because my father is in the army

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and I haven't seen him since I was six years old.

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- I see.

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Where's your mother?

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- My mother's on Pellum Parkway,

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she gave me a little money and then she told me

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to go hang myself or commit suicide

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and every time I contact her she hangs up the phone.

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The counselor at the rehabilitation center tried

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and she claimed she doesn't know me,

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he tried, my sister tried,

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I got money from my sister, a little bit,

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and then forget it, she didn't help me

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and neither did my mother,

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my mother doesn't want any part of me.

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I've tried calling her every single time

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and she hangs up the phone,

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or "go hang yourself" or "sleep in a jail."

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That's why I can't get any response.

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My sister's out in Stony Point,

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I asked if I could stay up with her,

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I can't because she works.

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Her husband...

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- If we could stay with relatives we would be glad to do so.

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- We sure would.

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I've tried my aunt who lives on 14th Street

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and my grandfather's got cataracts

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and he needs to stay in the house,

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so I can't ask her for help.

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- Did you both apply for the SSI?

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- Yes we have.

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- Yes, we both have.

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- You both went down?

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Now you're just living together, you're not married.

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- No, no.

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If I knew where my husband was

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I wouldn't even be around here.

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I don't know where he is, I haven't seen him.

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I have a partial disability on my hand, I'm cerebral palsic.

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I used to wear a brace.

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I am epileptic too, I used to take Dilatin,

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but the doctor took me off of it.

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- You're legally married?

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- Yes I am.

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I don't know where my husband is.

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- Did you ever go to court?

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- No.

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- Are you divorced?

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- No I'm not.

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- That's family court I think she's talking about.

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- You know, your husband might be working,

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making a very good salary.

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Now he's legally responsible for you.

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- Oh, I know that, don't you think if I knew where he was

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I'd be going to him?

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I don't know where he is.

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The last time I seen him was in the summertime.

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- The summer?

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- That's right.

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And it was late at night.

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I usually would see him at night, very quick.

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And he was always with me, right Larry?

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You know, when you were with your wife.

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Right?

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- Do you have any cigarettes ma'am?

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May I?

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- No he sometimes, because his wife

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was working in the welfare, and we'd been looking...

267
00:11:35,703 --> 00:11:37,327
- You're married also?

268
00:11:37,328 --> 00:11:38,576
- That's right.

269
00:11:38,577 --> 00:11:39,640
- Yes ma'am.

270
00:11:39,641 --> 00:11:41,151
- I know it sounds complicated.

271
00:11:41,152 --> 00:11:43,708
- Did you put down that you're married?

272
00:11:43,709 --> 00:11:44,709
Is your wife working?

273
00:11:45,551 --> 00:11:47,367
- Is she working?

274
00:11:47,368 --> 00:11:48,476
I don't know where she is.

275
00:11:48,477 --> 00:11:49,310
I don't have a wife.

276
00:11:49,311 --> 00:11:52,149
What do you mean telling her I have a wife for?

277
00:11:52,150 --> 00:11:54,449
- Didn't you say that he has a wife?

278
00:11:54,450 --> 00:11:56,247
- I thought he had a wife.

279
00:11:56,248 --> 00:11:58,959
- She's my wife.

280
00:11:58,960 --> 00:12:00,510
- I don't know what I'm saying.

281
00:12:01,860 --> 00:12:02,850
I don't know.

282
00:12:02,850 --> 00:12:03,720
Forgive me.

283
00:12:03,721 --> 00:12:04,779
I don't know.

284
00:12:04,780 --> 00:12:06,150
I'm sorry Larry, okay?

285
00:12:07,760 --> 00:12:09,999
I don't know, I really don't know.

286
00:12:10,000 --> 00:12:11,239
- Are you married or aren't you?

287
00:12:11,240 --> 00:12:12,589
- To her?

288
00:12:12,590 --> 00:12:13,543
No.

289
00:12:13,543 --> 00:12:14,376
- Not to her.

290
00:12:14,376 --> 00:12:15,209
Are you married to someone else?

291
00:12:15,210 --> 00:12:16,689
- No.

292
00:12:16,690 --> 00:12:18,209
- So what gave her the impression

293
00:12:18,210 --> 00:12:19,469
that you were?

294
00:12:19,470 --> 00:12:21,519
- Maybe it's a wish that she had, I don't know.

295
00:12:21,520 --> 00:12:23,439
- Maybe it could be a wish, I don't know.

296
00:12:23,440 --> 00:12:28,350
- It's hard to say.

297
00:12:29,513 --> 00:12:32,024
- I haven't eaten in a couple of days

298
00:12:32,025 --> 00:12:35,159
and I'm hungry and you know, I get a little excited.

299
00:12:35,160 --> 00:12:36,620
So I'm sorry Larry, okay?

300
00:12:40,250 --> 00:12:41,083
- I don't feel too hot either.

301
00:12:41,084 --> 00:12:43,061
You know, my system is all...

302
00:12:43,062 --> 00:12:45,539
- I need some food in me and sleep, I haven't slept.

303
00:12:45,540 --> 00:12:49,310
- Aches in every part of me.

304
00:12:52,226 --> 00:12:54,876
- All right, this is for the housing.

305
00:12:59,678 --> 00:13:00,720
- Where do we bring that?

306
00:13:01,910 --> 00:13:04,840
- This is on the fifth floor.

307
00:13:06,950 --> 00:13:08,120
Now you have to go...

308
00:13:09,810 --> 00:13:13,430
After that you have to go to employment, okay?

309
00:13:14,495 --> 00:13:15,880
- Yes.

310
00:13:15,881 --> 00:13:17,264
- Okay.

311
00:13:17,265 --> 00:13:18,098
So...

312
00:13:18,099 --> 00:13:19,780
- Have we been accepted?

313
00:13:19,781 --> 00:13:21,699
- She said she's gonna house us.

314
00:13:21,700 --> 00:13:23,629
- If we're gonna house you that means that

315
00:13:23,630 --> 00:13:27,584
- Okay, thank you miss, I just want to be reassured,

316
00:13:27,585 --> 00:13:29,249
thank you.

317
00:13:29,250 --> 00:13:31,650
And then we've gotta eat because we're starving.

318
00:13:33,260 --> 00:13:37,129
- So could you please go up to the housing first?

319
00:13:37,130 --> 00:13:38,209
- Where's that, what floor?

320
00:13:38,210 --> 00:13:41,289
- On the fifth floor, and this is on the fourth floor,

321
00:13:41,290 --> 00:13:42,890
the employment is on the fourth.

322
00:13:45,320 --> 00:13:47,564
- Go up there now and then we come back to you?

323
00:13:47,565 --> 00:13:48,565
- Yes.

324
00:14:08,870 --> 00:14:09,959
- Go to the third floor,

325
00:14:09,960 --> 00:14:11,360
up to the replacement group.

326
00:14:12,330 --> 00:14:13,969
The third floor.

327
00:14:13,970 --> 00:14:15,429
Anna, tell her to go up to the third floor

328
00:14:15,430 --> 00:14:17,144
to the replacement group.

329
00:14:26,543 --> 00:14:27,376
- Okay, next?

330
00:14:27,377 --> 00:14:28,522
- Who's next?

331
00:14:28,523 --> 00:14:30,440
- Go on up there.

332
00:14:30,441 --> 00:14:31,878
- Why are you here, dear?

333
00:14:31,879 --> 00:14:32,879
- I wanted to.

334
00:14:35,688 --> 00:14:37,720
- Did you get part of a check?

335
00:14:42,494 --> 00:14:44,089
How much of the check did you get?

336
00:14:44,090 --> 00:14:45,090
- I get 66.

337
00:14:46,611 --> 00:14:47,611
66.

338
00:14:48,830 --> 00:14:50,159
- How much are you supposed to get, dear?

339
00:14:50,160 --> 00:14:51,380
- 115.

340
00:14:52,570 --> 00:14:53,570
15.

341
00:14:59,215 --> 00:15:00,690
- What do you got, one or two cats?

342
00:15:01,680 --> 00:15:02,800
- I don't know, I think one.

343
00:15:09,040 --> 00:15:10,040
- Who's next?

344
00:15:10,960 --> 00:15:12,590
Come on people, let's move down.

345
00:15:23,763 --> 00:15:24,596
Drop that in the box.

346
00:15:24,597 --> 00:15:26,569
Have a seat and wait for them to call your name.

347
00:15:26,570 --> 00:15:27,570
Who's next?

348
00:15:29,140 --> 00:15:30,890
Come on people, move down please.

349
00:15:32,747 --> 00:15:34,832
- I'm gonna drop over dead,

350
00:15:34,833 --> 00:15:38,140
and they do it while I'm sleeping, they're dope addicts.

351
00:15:39,320 --> 00:15:41,609
They took everything, they took all my Medicaid

352
00:15:41,610 --> 00:15:44,630
and my Social Security, they took it all.

353
00:15:46,300 --> 00:15:48,439
- Quick service group on the third floor.

354
00:15:48,440 --> 00:15:49,709
- Okay, and here it tells you about

355
00:15:49,710 --> 00:15:51,239
the supplemental security income

356
00:15:51,240 --> 00:15:52,890
to the aged, blind, and disabled.

357
00:15:54,070 --> 00:15:55,819
Now if you already, wait a second,

358
00:15:55,820 --> 00:15:58,539
do you already recieve social security disability payments?

359
00:15:58,540 --> 00:15:59,373
- Yes.

360
00:15:59,374 --> 00:16:02,419
Well, I don't know, the supplemental bit,

361
00:16:02,420 --> 00:16:04,720
you know, the increase or something like that?

362
00:16:05,570 --> 00:16:06,480
Whatever it's supposed to be.

363
00:16:06,481 --> 00:16:08,459
- Do you get money from social security?

364
00:16:08,460 --> 00:16:09,699
- That's what I'm told,

365
00:16:09,700 --> 00:16:12,529
see my stuff comes from the Holy Name Society,

366
00:16:12,530 --> 00:16:14,609
8 East Bleaker Street.

367
00:16:14,610 --> 00:16:16,409
- Oh, and...

368
00:16:16,410 --> 00:16:21,229
- I get so much per day to get a room or whatever I can.

369
00:16:21,230 --> 00:16:22,220
- But you get that money

370
00:16:22,221 --> 00:16:23,749
from social security.

371
00:16:23,750 --> 00:16:25,539
- They told me $84.50.

372
00:16:25,540 --> 00:16:28,429
Now whatever it is that

373
00:16:28,430 --> 00:16:29,761
- What I'm asking you

374
00:16:29,762 --> 00:16:32,179
is do the people at the Holy Name, that's where you live?

375
00:16:32,180 --> 00:16:36,360
- I don't live there, I just, I have to live wherever I can.

376
00:16:37,988 --> 00:16:40,529
- Okay, so you'll have to go to 39 Broadway.

377
00:16:40,530 --> 00:16:42,099
I want you to go back to wherever it is you stay

378
00:16:42,100 --> 00:16:43,969
or wherever it is they get your papers

379
00:16:43,970 --> 00:16:47,089
and show them this and tell them that we said

380
00:16:47,090 --> 00:16:49,919
that you had to go to 39 Broadway, right,

381
00:16:49,920 --> 00:16:51,679
that's your social security office, okay?

382
00:16:51,680 --> 00:16:55,429
Because you qualify for social security, not for here.

383
00:16:55,430 --> 00:16:57,389
- You have to go to Holy Name and talk to them.

384
00:16:57,390 --> 00:16:58,914
- That's right.

385
00:16:58,915 --> 00:16:59,748
- Yeah, show them this

386
00:16:59,749 --> 00:17:01,079
and be sure they understand what we said.

387
00:17:01,080 --> 00:17:01,913
- Yes.

388
00:17:01,914 --> 00:17:04,459
- And then they'll direct you to 39 Broadway, okay?

389
00:17:04,460 --> 00:17:05,499
- All right.

390
00:17:05,500 --> 00:17:08,868
And that's before I can get on the welfare or whatever...

391
00:17:08,869 --> 00:17:11,325
- They'll take care of you there.

392
00:17:11,326 --> 00:17:12,159
- Yes,?

393
00:17:12,160 --> 00:17:13,659
- At 39 Broadway.

394
00:17:13,660 --> 00:17:14,492
- Oh.

395
00:17:14,493 --> 00:17:17,134
- 39 Broadway, that's where you gotta go.

396
00:17:17,135 --> 00:17:18,179
Go 39 Broadway, downtown.

397
00:17:18,180 --> 00:17:19,767
- 39 Broadway.

398
00:17:19,768 --> 00:17:21,432
- Yes, okay?

399
00:17:21,433 --> 00:17:22,433
- Yes.

400
00:17:36,990 --> 00:17:38,359
- Who's next?

401
00:17:38,360 --> 00:17:39,360
Is there a next?

402
00:17:50,036 --> 00:17:51,536
Want to move down?

403
00:18:09,520 --> 00:18:12,545
- You got a check from social security for $100 on Friday,

404
00:18:12,546 --> 00:18:14,981
and today's three days later.

405
00:18:14,982 --> 00:18:17,169
- They sent me back here.

406
00:18:17,170 --> 00:18:18,130
- Who sent you?

407
00:18:18,131 --> 00:18:20,047
- From social security.

408
00:18:21,436 --> 00:18:23,889
- You got a $100 from social security administration

409
00:18:23,890 --> 00:18:24,723
on Friday.

410
00:18:24,724 --> 00:18:25,809
- They sent me down here...

411
00:18:25,810 --> 00:18:26,919
- Wait, Mr. Long.

412
00:18:26,920 --> 00:18:30,639
Did you get a check for $100 on Friday from social security?

413
00:18:30,640 --> 00:18:31,819
- $40.

414
00:18:31,820 --> 00:18:33,347
- And you'll be getting...

415
00:18:33,348 --> 00:18:36,484
- Two weeks, and then I had

416
00:18:36,485 --> 00:18:38,889
$60 Friday for food.

417
00:18:38,890 --> 00:18:41,999
- And what happened to the $60?

418
00:18:42,000 --> 00:18:43,459
- For food and...

419
00:18:43,460 --> 00:18:45,710
- What happened to the $60 you had on Friday?

420
00:18:48,120 --> 00:18:50,789
You're covered by the federal social security program,

421
00:18:50,790 --> 00:18:53,259
you're not covered by local welfare center.

422
00:18:53,260 --> 00:18:54,745
- Well social security...

423
00:18:54,746 --> 00:18:55,579
- You got $60 from...

424
00:18:55,580 --> 00:18:57,473
- Social security and welfare

425
00:18:57,474 --> 00:18:58,589
were having an argument on Friday.

426
00:18:58,590 --> 00:19:01,449
- Mr. Long, if you got $60 of food money on Friday

427
00:19:01,450 --> 00:19:04,769
you're expected to put it to last for a little while.

428
00:19:04,770 --> 00:19:07,239
Of the $2800 you blew in two months...

429
00:19:07,240 --> 00:19:10,553
- I had to pay my doctor bill, I had to pay my doctor bill.

430
00:19:10,554 --> 00:19:11,450
- You should apply for Medicaid.

431
00:19:11,451 --> 00:19:12,719
- I had to pay my doctor bill.

432
00:19:12,720 --> 00:19:14,319
- Mr. Long, if you got $60

433
00:19:14,320 --> 00:19:15,799
from social security on Friday,

434
00:19:15,800 --> 00:19:16,740
you're not gonna get any money today.

435
00:19:16,741 --> 00:19:18,679
- Yes, I paid my...

436
00:19:18,680 --> 00:19:20,229
- The money was for food and...

437
00:19:20,230 --> 00:19:22,781
- Then give me it and I'll go back to social security...

438
00:20:30,210 --> 00:20:32,049
- Who's next?

439
00:20:32,050 --> 00:20:35,470
Come on people, please move down.

440
00:20:38,200 --> 00:20:39,240
- Miss Slompo.

441
00:20:40,170 --> 00:20:42,269
You must bring us...

442
00:20:42,270 --> 00:20:44,535
How many months pregnant are you?

443
00:20:44,536 --> 00:20:45,369
- Five.

444
00:20:45,370 --> 00:20:48,159
- You must bring us a letter from a hospital.

445
00:20:48,160 --> 00:20:51,510
The doctor can write anything that he wants to.

446
00:20:52,397 --> 00:20:53,569
In order qualify for public assistance,

447
00:20:53,570 --> 00:20:56,969
you must bring a verification letter from a hospital.

448
00:20:56,970 --> 00:20:59,399
Are you attending any clinic?

449
00:20:59,400 --> 00:21:00,233
- No.

450
00:21:00,233 --> 00:21:01,066
- Why not?

451
00:21:01,066 --> 00:21:01,899
- I have no money.

452
00:21:01,900 --> 00:21:04,309
- That is not a requirement, that's not a requisite

453
00:21:04,310 --> 00:21:05,919
for you to go to a public clinic.

454
00:21:05,920 --> 00:21:09,059
Go there and tell them that you don't have money,

455
00:21:09,060 --> 00:21:12,689
and then they will fill out this form for you.

456
00:21:12,690 --> 00:21:15,419
- All this says is verification of pregnancy.

457
00:21:15,420 --> 00:21:17,219
- This is not what we want.

458
00:21:17,220 --> 00:21:20,159
We wanted a doctor, there's a certain form,

459
00:21:20,160 --> 00:21:23,659
if you go to a city hospital, they'll give it to you.

460
00:21:23,660 --> 00:21:26,469
Now, you realize that a doctor can write

461
00:21:26,470 --> 00:21:28,499
anything that he wishes, sometimes...

462
00:21:28,500 --> 00:21:31,969
- Oh, yeah but, five people have seen this letter.

463
00:21:31,970 --> 00:21:33,419
- Elaine, are you taking this

464
00:21:33,420 --> 00:21:35,690
for verification of pregnancy?

465
00:21:41,260 --> 00:21:43,169
- Yeah, there's an EGC date on it.

466
00:21:43,170 --> 00:21:44,769
Signed by a doctor.

467
00:21:44,770 --> 00:21:47,072
- So that, you'll take that

468
00:21:47,073 --> 00:21:49,869
instead of the form from the hospital, right?

469
00:21:49,870 --> 00:21:51,479
- Yeah, it's just a private doctor.

470
00:21:51,480 --> 00:21:53,800
- All right, okay, it's accepted.

471
00:22:13,270 --> 00:22:16,119
- Indicates to me that she may be using a loose term

472
00:22:16,120 --> 00:22:18,329
broadly, very broadly.

473
00:22:18,330 --> 00:22:20,201
It may not be detrimental to her.

474
00:22:20,202 --> 00:22:23,179
The hospital note tends...

475
00:22:23,180 --> 00:22:24,859
The letter from the hospital indicates

476
00:22:24,860 --> 00:22:28,269
that there were apparently extenuating social circumstances.

477
00:22:28,270 --> 00:22:30,520
It may be a question of lousy conditions.

478
00:22:32,870 --> 00:22:36,740
Now the format is first a home visit according to Kay,

479
00:22:37,756 --> 00:22:40,769
within 48 hours, second are phone calls

480
00:22:40,770 --> 00:22:42,870
to both central agency and SSC,

481
00:22:43,866 --> 00:22:45,350
and then the...

482
00:22:47,420 --> 00:22:49,239
On the first sheet you'll see a nine...

483
00:22:49,240 --> 00:22:50,689
I think it's a 492.

484
00:22:50,690 --> 00:22:53,349
These forms, I have them there, I'll give them to you.

485
00:22:53,350 --> 00:22:56,160
They have to be processed within 48 hours

486
00:22:57,109 --> 00:22:58,109
of the phone calls.

487
00:22:59,750 --> 00:23:01,299
- You haven't answered my question.

488
00:23:01,300 --> 00:23:02,133
- What's that?

489
00:23:02,134 --> 00:23:05,148
- BCW already knows about it, why do we have to notify BCW?

490
00:23:05,149 --> 00:23:06,259
- Just to get a clarification on it.

491
00:23:06,260 --> 00:23:07,399
Just to see exactly...

492
00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:09,439
Her description of it leaves a lot open.

493
00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:12,889
She describes it broadly as a child neglect or abuse.

494
00:23:12,890 --> 00:23:14,259
The woman is accusing herself,

495
00:23:14,260 --> 00:23:16,996
I'm pretty sure you'll find that she's using the term

496
00:23:16,997 --> 00:23:19,339
without quite understanding what it means.

497
00:23:19,340 --> 00:23:22,769
- Zimmerman, we're gonna take the child off the budget

498
00:23:22,770 --> 00:23:25,459
because it's not with you at the moment,

499
00:23:25,460 --> 00:23:27,569
and if you get the child back you let us know about it,

500
00:23:27,570 --> 00:23:28,403
okay?

501
00:23:28,404 --> 00:23:29,476
- Okay.

502
00:23:30,311 --> 00:23:31,679
She'll be back as soon as I get another apartment,

503
00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:34,289
and see that's the problem right now.

504
00:23:34,290 --> 00:23:35,939
- How long have you lived in this apartment?

505
00:23:35,940 --> 00:23:37,379
- About nine months.

506
00:23:37,380 --> 00:23:41,549
But like there's rats and a gas leak and...

507
00:23:41,550 --> 00:23:44,079
- The central registry,

508
00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:45,629
they're the ones who took the complaint.

509
00:23:45,630 --> 00:23:46,809
Now I don't know who made the complaint,

510
00:23:46,810 --> 00:23:49,889
I think it was the hospital, woman's infirmary.

511
00:23:49,890 --> 00:23:53,779
Said that you have some diseased pets in the house?

512
00:23:53,780 --> 00:23:55,499
- Yes, one dog is diseased.

513
00:23:55,500 --> 00:23:57,219
It's not my dog though, and it doesn't live there.

514
00:23:57,220 --> 00:24:00,159
- Yes, but you can't let the child near the dog,

515
00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:01,609
it doesn't matter that it's not your dog,

516
00:24:01,610 --> 00:24:03,068
the dog is in the apartment,

517
00:24:03,069 --> 00:24:04,589
and that has nothing to do with...

518
00:24:04,590 --> 00:24:07,029
Even though the conditions of your apartment are bad

519
00:24:07,030 --> 00:24:08,619
and probably you'll be able to move,

520
00:24:08,620 --> 00:24:09,600
it's still a diseased dog

521
00:24:09,601 --> 00:24:10,839
and they're not gonna let the child back

522
00:24:10,840 --> 00:24:12,839
as long as you've got a diseased pet in there.

523
00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:15,289
- No, it's not there all the time,

524
00:24:15,290 --> 00:24:16,669
it's there once in a while.

525
00:24:16,670 --> 00:24:19,059
It's my boyfriend's dog and he doesn't live there.

526
00:24:19,060 --> 00:24:21,229
- But it only has to be there for a little while

527
00:24:21,230 --> 00:24:23,159
for the child to catch something.

528
00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:24,619
That's why the doctors I don't think

529
00:24:24,620 --> 00:24:25,799
are going to let you have it back

530
00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:29,499
until you get rid of the dog for good.

531
00:24:29,500 --> 00:24:33,929
So you tell your boyfriend to come and pick it up, okay?

532
00:24:33,930 --> 00:24:35,541
- Okay.

533
00:24:37,980 --> 00:24:39,799
- But anyway, somebody will be visiting your house

534
00:24:39,800 --> 00:24:42,930
in the future, so clean it up.

535
00:24:44,390 --> 00:24:45,340
- All right.

536
00:24:45,341 --> 00:24:47,049
Do you know about when?

537
00:24:47,050 --> 00:24:49,489
I put in a complaint about three weeks ago

538
00:24:49,490 --> 00:24:52,486
with building inspector, no one ever came,

539
00:24:52,487 --> 00:24:55,682
and at housing I got a real runaround,

540
00:24:55,683 --> 00:24:58,050
and nobody knew nothing about it.

541
00:25:01,390 --> 00:25:03,829
It's like they say that there's no record of violations.

542
00:25:03,830 --> 00:25:04,909
- No, somebody will help you.

543
00:25:04,910 --> 00:25:06,369
You need a lawyer to help you with that,

544
00:25:06,370 --> 00:25:08,039
you can't do it yourself.

545
00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:10,319
So I'll give you the phone number of this lawyer

546
00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:12,769
that works for the mobilization for you.

547
00:25:12,770 --> 00:25:14,309
- Okay.

548
00:25:14,310 --> 00:25:15,590
- Because you know, you don't...

549
00:25:16,363 --> 00:25:17,389
- Okay.

550
00:25:17,390 --> 00:25:19,536
- Here's her number, or else you can go in person

551
00:25:19,537 --> 00:25:20,768
and tell her your problems.

552
00:25:20,769 --> 00:25:22,011
- See I don't know why the building inspector won't come.

553
00:25:22,012 --> 00:25:22,920
- They take a couple of months to come.

554
00:25:22,921 --> 00:25:25,199
They're understaffed, et cetera, et cetera.

555
00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:26,736
They won't come...

556
00:25:26,737 --> 00:25:29,119
When I had to wait for building inspector for myself

557
00:25:29,120 --> 00:25:32,119
it was a year and a half, so don't count on that.

558
00:25:32,120 --> 00:25:35,041
That's why you have to go to somebody who's legal.

559
00:25:35,042 --> 00:25:37,019
That way they can help you do it a lot faster.

560
00:25:37,020 --> 00:25:38,948
- See because like the case worker says

561
00:25:38,949 --> 00:25:39,817
that they don't want to move me

562
00:25:39,818 --> 00:25:41,049
because there's no record of any violations,

563
00:25:41,050 --> 00:25:41,883
and I can't live there for...

564
00:25:41,883 --> 00:25:42,760
- That's why you have to put in

565
00:25:42,761 --> 00:25:44,699
the violations and then you will be able to move.

566
00:25:44,700 --> 00:25:46,459
You see you have to say yes, there are violations.

567
00:25:46,460 --> 00:25:48,159
- I have to go to a lawyer?

568
00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:48,993
Okay.

569
00:25:48,993 --> 00:25:49,850
- Okay, so you have her number.

570
00:25:49,851 --> 00:25:51,569
So that's okay, you can go home now.

571
00:25:51,570 --> 00:25:52,970
- Okay, thank you very much.

572
00:25:58,450 --> 00:26:01,589
- You had a fire, and the emergency card in August.

573
00:26:01,590 --> 00:26:05,329
And you settled the emergency because you resolved it,

574
00:26:05,330 --> 00:26:08,329
because you lived with your friend.

575
00:26:08,330 --> 00:26:10,169
Now there are new circumstances,

576
00:26:10,170 --> 00:26:12,040
now if you want to...

577
00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:16,339
If you want to correct the situation

578
00:26:16,340 --> 00:26:18,809
by having a new apartment,

579
00:26:18,810 --> 00:26:21,639
you must make a fair hearing.

580
00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:23,639
This is your only course.

581
00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:24,899
You can't solve it in the...

582
00:26:24,900 --> 00:26:26,069
- I don't think this is fair.

583
00:26:26,070 --> 00:26:27,339
- We can't solve it in the center,

584
00:26:27,340 --> 00:26:28,890
they won't give you this money.

585
00:26:29,950 --> 00:26:32,069
- I don't think this is fair at all.

586
00:26:32,070 --> 00:26:34,986
Something has got to be done somewhere,

587
00:26:34,987 --> 00:26:36,429
because it will continue...

588
00:26:36,430 --> 00:26:40,119
- Why are you so reluctant about asking for a fair hearing?

589
00:26:40,120 --> 00:26:42,544
- I'm not reluctant about asking for a fair...

590
00:26:42,545 --> 00:26:44,619
I am reluctant to a certain extent.

591
00:26:44,620 --> 00:26:46,259
The reason why is because it's gonna take

592
00:26:46,260 --> 00:26:47,736
a longer period of time.

593
00:26:47,737 --> 00:26:48,681
- How do you know it's gonna take

594
00:26:48,681 --> 00:26:49,537
a longer period of time?

595
00:26:49,538 --> 00:26:50,599
- It takes at least three weeks for a fair hearing,

596
00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:51,433
does it not?

597
00:26:51,434 --> 00:26:52,559
- Yeah, but how long...

598
00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:54,779
- Meanwhile my friends is moved out and where am I?

599
00:26:54,780 --> 00:26:56,219
- Your friend hasn't moved out yet, has he?

600
00:26:56,220 --> 00:26:57,210
- He's moving his things...

601
00:26:57,210 --> 00:26:58,210
- When is he moving?

602
00:26:59,301 --> 00:27:00,396
- He's in the process of moving his things.

603
00:27:00,397 --> 00:27:01,230
- When is he moving?

604
00:27:01,231 --> 00:27:03,059
- All things will be out within the next two days.

605
00:27:03,060 --> 00:27:04,629
And I have responsibilities also.

606
00:27:04,630 --> 00:27:05,899
- By the way, are you enrolled

607
00:27:05,900 --> 00:27:07,749
in a rep program or any of the programs?

608
00:27:07,750 --> 00:27:09,199
- Yes, I am.

609
00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:10,869
- You're enrolled right now in some...

610
00:27:10,870 --> 00:27:12,449
- The rep program.

611
00:27:12,450 --> 00:27:14,239
- When do you start?

612
00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:15,549
- Well the guy's been sending me out...

613
00:27:15,550 --> 00:27:17,529
They sent me to the unemployment section,

614
00:27:17,530 --> 00:27:20,539
and now the guy's been sending me out to different jobs,

615
00:27:20,540 --> 00:27:22,559
and he told me to call him this week

616
00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:24,531
so he could send me somewhere else.

617
00:27:24,532 --> 00:27:28,639
- Are you ever enrolled in a narcotic program?

618
00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:31,309
- Yes I was, I was a drug addict at one time,

619
00:27:31,310 --> 00:27:33,619
but when I came out I started working

620
00:27:33,620 --> 00:27:35,539
and I've got my own apartment

621
00:27:35,540 --> 00:27:37,719
and from there started building on my own two feet,

622
00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:40,119
and then from there I bought a dog, a great dane,

623
00:27:40,120 --> 00:27:42,500
that I had responsibilities toward her.

624
00:27:42,501 --> 00:27:47,058
Now I'm... being at the fire, I only had the dog left.

625
00:27:47,059 --> 00:27:50,949
It's me and the dog and I had lost my job,

626
00:27:50,950 --> 00:27:54,209
and y'all said y'all would give me some kind of help,

627
00:27:54,210 --> 00:27:55,849
and it hasn't been done yet.

628
00:27:55,850 --> 00:27:57,259
And that is another reason why

629
00:27:57,260 --> 00:27:59,419
the hotel wouldn't be suitable.

630
00:27:59,420 --> 00:28:01,270
I would have to get my own apartment.

631
00:28:02,380 --> 00:28:03,449
- Because of the dog you mean.

632
00:28:03,450 --> 00:28:05,150
- Right, because I have a dog too.

633
00:28:06,770 --> 00:28:09,359
- I think there's only one course for you.

634
00:28:09,360 --> 00:28:12,389
And you can go to the state and make a fair hearing,

635
00:28:12,390 --> 00:28:16,311
and we'll be over there with our records, what?

636
00:28:16,312 --> 00:28:18,936
- What happens meanwhile, when the guy moves out?

637
00:28:18,937 --> 00:28:20,879
- He hasn't moved out yet, right?

638
00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:22,688
He's still living there.

639
00:28:22,689 --> 00:28:23,670
- Not completely, but within the next two days,

640
00:28:23,671 --> 00:28:26,139
it takes three weeks for a fair hearing.

641
00:28:26,140 --> 00:28:27,959
What do I do during that time?

642
00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:30,219
- Nothing that we can do, unless you come...

643
00:28:30,220 --> 00:28:31,739
You want to live in a hotel meanwhile.

644
00:28:31,740 --> 00:28:33,499
- Are they gonna let me take my dog?

645
00:28:33,500 --> 00:28:35,459
I'll live there.

646
00:28:35,460 --> 00:28:37,219
Y'all give me furniture, clothes money...

647
00:28:37,220 --> 00:28:39,019
- We're not giving assistance for your dog.

648
00:28:39,020 --> 00:28:40,589
- I know, I know.

649
00:28:40,590 --> 00:28:42,625
- We're concerned about you, right?

650
00:28:42,626 --> 00:28:45,229
- Between the dog, me and my friend work it out.

651
00:28:45,230 --> 00:28:46,709
We'll work it out between me and the dog.

652
00:28:46,710 --> 00:28:49,150
- And you know the dog can stay with your friend.

653
00:28:50,982 --> 00:28:53,499
- It's my dog, but I don't know.

654
00:28:53,500 --> 00:28:56,240
I don't know if he wants the dog to stay, I'm not sure.

655
00:28:56,241 --> 00:28:58,449
That I would have to work out with him.

656
00:28:58,450 --> 00:29:00,429
Like I said, I might be able to work out

657
00:29:00,430 --> 00:29:02,420
a furniture situation with him,

658
00:29:02,421 --> 00:29:04,568
and the dog, I don't know.

659
00:29:04,569 --> 00:29:07,089
But the fact that I came down here

660
00:29:07,090 --> 00:29:10,929
was because I was told that I would have a place to go

661
00:29:10,930 --> 00:29:12,129
which is an apartment,

662
00:29:12,130 --> 00:29:14,572
and that is where I could take my dog and live

663
00:29:14,573 --> 00:29:16,969
and work for a living.

664
00:29:16,970 --> 00:29:18,769
- Where is your friend moving to?

665
00:29:18,770 --> 00:29:20,379
- He's moving on the west side.

666
00:29:20,380 --> 00:29:22,709
- You telling me you can't stay over with your friend?

667
00:29:22,710 --> 00:29:23,710
- He told me it's too small,

668
00:29:23,710 --> 00:29:24,710
the apartment is too small.

669
00:29:24,710 --> 00:29:25,543
- For a day or two?

670
00:29:25,544 --> 00:29:27,879
- He has his woman.

671
00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:30,210
His woman is with him too.

672
00:29:30,211 --> 00:29:32,629
And all along I still...

673
00:29:32,630 --> 00:29:35,999
- Let me ask you, if this woman lives with him too,

674
00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:39,619
you know is he still living in your apartment?

675
00:29:39,620 --> 00:29:40,789
- At my apartment?

676
00:29:40,790 --> 00:29:41,849
- Well he's living with you.

677
00:29:41,850 --> 00:29:43,300
If this woman lives with him.

678
00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:45,409
Lives with him in the present.

679
00:29:45,410 --> 00:29:47,379
- Right, and he's moving some of his things,

680
00:29:47,380 --> 00:29:49,789
he's in the midst of moving some of his things

681
00:29:49,790 --> 00:29:51,029
to the west side.

682
00:29:51,030 --> 00:29:52,379
He hasn't moved everything yet.

683
00:29:52,380 --> 00:29:53,213
- But you just stated

684
00:29:53,214 --> 00:29:54,599
that the woman is living with him.

685
00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:55,673
- Right.

686
00:29:55,674 --> 00:29:56,507
At his apartment.

687
00:29:56,507 --> 00:29:57,440
- And you're living with this man.

688
00:29:57,440 --> 00:29:58,273
- Uh-huh.

689
00:29:58,273 --> 00:29:59,270
- So the woman is living with him,

690
00:29:59,271 --> 00:30:01,549
and with you also, you're living in the same apartment.

691
00:30:01,550 --> 00:30:02,779
- Right, there's three of us, plus a dog.

692
00:30:02,780 --> 00:30:04,799
- Now there are three of you plus a dog.

693
00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:06,150
- Right, but it's his home.

694
00:30:07,020 --> 00:30:08,369
It's not mine.

695
00:30:08,370 --> 00:30:09,369
It's his home.

696
00:30:09,370 --> 00:30:11,909
- It gets more involved as we go along.

697
00:30:11,910 --> 00:30:13,983
- It's the man's home, it's not mine.

698
00:30:13,984 --> 00:30:16,129
- Now you have a dog and you have a woman and you have...

699
00:30:16,130 --> 00:30:17,509
- I don't have no woman, no no.

700
00:30:17,510 --> 00:30:18,709
- He has the woman.

701
00:30:18,710 --> 00:30:21,659
- Well what goes on with him is not my concern.

702
00:30:21,660 --> 00:30:22,889
He just lets me...

703
00:30:22,890 --> 00:30:26,169
I rent part of the apartment to sleep there.

704
00:30:26,170 --> 00:30:28,479
I sleep there and do what I have to do.

705
00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:30,009
- Listen, do me a favor, make the fair hearing

706
00:30:30,010 --> 00:30:32,119
at 488650.

707
00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:34,389
- Still, I'm being rejected again.

708
00:30:34,390 --> 00:30:35,540
It's still a runaround.

709
00:30:36,550 --> 00:30:38,319
Thank you for your help.

710
00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:39,320
- Okay.

711
00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:43,249
- Not allowed to pay back due money.

712
00:30:43,250 --> 00:30:45,169
You should come in on the time...

713
00:30:45,170 --> 00:30:46,639
- Well the damn hearing kept me there.

714
00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:48,069
I don't want to hear that.

715
00:30:48,070 --> 00:30:49,989
I don't want to hear that shit at all.

716
00:30:49,990 --> 00:30:51,889
You didn't feed me, he fed me.

717
00:30:51,890 --> 00:30:53,469
You're supposed to send those checks.

718
00:30:53,470 --> 00:30:55,719
I'm single issue, you never sent them.

719
00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:56,600
You never sent them.

720
00:30:56,601 --> 00:30:58,809
- You're supposed to come in for single issue checks.

721
00:30:58,810 --> 00:31:00,599
We are not supposed to send you money.

722
00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:02,619
- They were sent before single issue always

723
00:31:02,620 --> 00:31:04,889
without a fucking problem, but now there's a problem.

724
00:31:04,890 --> 00:31:07,561
- You don't have to use that kind of language.

725
00:31:09,690 --> 00:31:11,729
- Well can I have today's food money, then?

726
00:31:11,730 --> 00:31:13,879
- You can't have today's food money.

727
00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:14,713
- Why not?

728
00:31:14,714 --> 00:31:15,999
- Your date is due tomorrow.

729
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:18,499
We according to dates, I told you that already.

730
00:31:18,500 --> 00:31:20,675
The best thing I can do for you

731
00:31:20,676 --> 00:31:23,199
is the rent money from before that you didn't pick up,

732
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:27,129
I can give you your rent money for the 1st to the 31st.

733
00:31:27,130 --> 00:31:28,599
I'll give you an appointment for tomorrow

734
00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:29,999
to come in and get your food money.

735
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:31,669
- And I'll still have to stand out there

736
00:31:31,670 --> 00:31:33,593
6:00 tomorrow morning.

737
00:31:33,594 --> 00:31:35,339
- No, you won't have to,

738
00:31:35,340 --> 00:31:36,820
because I'll give you an appointment.

739
00:31:41,532 --> 00:31:43,749
- Will I still have you tomorrow?

740
00:31:43,750 --> 00:31:44,979
- There's a little problem here.

741
00:31:44,980 --> 00:31:47,940
Did you apply after January 1 or before?

742
00:31:48,810 --> 00:31:49,810
- Before.

743
00:31:50,628 --> 00:31:53,360
- You had no active case here before January 1?

744
00:31:54,347 --> 00:31:56,559
- No.

745
00:31:56,560 --> 00:32:00,000
- If that is true, then we can accept you for 30 days.

746
00:32:01,095 --> 00:32:04,009
Until the social security department gets around

747
00:32:04,010 --> 00:32:06,939
to accepting you.

748
00:32:06,940 --> 00:32:08,109
- All right, well the girl...

749
00:32:08,110 --> 00:32:09,749
- You have a letter from them?

750
00:32:09,750 --> 00:32:11,049
- Yes, I showed it to the girl.

751
00:32:11,050 --> 00:32:12,899
I don't have any of my papers with me now,

752
00:32:12,900 --> 00:32:15,909
but I showed you know the interviewer downstairs

753
00:32:15,910 --> 00:32:17,999
like you know, my reaction report,

754
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:21,309
I showed her the referral slip from SSI, and...

755
00:32:21,310 --> 00:32:23,059
- You have that with you now?

756
00:32:23,060 --> 00:32:24,766
- No, I don't have it with me now.

757
00:32:25,601 --> 00:32:26,643
- Okay, all right.

758
00:32:26,644 --> 00:32:27,679
- But I been coming back here every day for two weeks.

759
00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:30,319
Like she says get a notarized letter for this,

760
00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:31,290
a notarized letter for that.

761
00:32:31,291 --> 00:32:33,286
- That's the application group.

762
00:32:33,287 --> 00:32:34,120
- Yes.

763
00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:34,953
- The application.

764
00:32:34,953 --> 00:32:35,786
- Yes, yes.

765
00:32:35,786 --> 00:32:36,720
- And so now you're here in housing,

766
00:32:36,721 --> 00:32:41,699
so you must've had a referral from them to housing, right?

767
00:32:41,700 --> 00:32:44,929
- Yes, because they said they only give out $160.

768
00:32:44,930 --> 00:32:46,429
- That's a lot of money for rent.

769
00:32:46,430 --> 00:32:47,919
- $160.

770
00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:49,459
- $170.

771
00:32:49,460 --> 00:32:51,329
- Yeah, they say they only give out $160.

772
00:32:51,330 --> 00:32:53,169
My rent is $170, all right?

773
00:32:53,170 --> 00:32:54,170
- That's difficult.

774
00:32:54,171 --> 00:32:55,629
You live alone?

775
00:32:55,630 --> 00:32:57,169
- Yes.

776
00:32:57,170 --> 00:33:00,419
I went to the landlord, right?

777
00:33:00,420 --> 00:33:03,543
The landlord is out of town, he's in Aruba,

778
00:33:03,544 --> 00:33:06,670
but his attorneys here on the case gave me a letter

779
00:33:08,250 --> 00:33:12,449
saying that they will deduct $10

780
00:33:12,450 --> 00:33:14,809
for some burglar alarm system.

781
00:33:14,810 --> 00:33:16,505
She rejected that.

782
00:33:16,506 --> 00:33:19,339
So she told me if I get a letter from my mother,

783
00:33:19,340 --> 00:33:21,299
a certified letter from my mother,

784
00:33:21,300 --> 00:33:24,089
saying that my mother would give me the $10 a month,

785
00:33:24,090 --> 00:33:25,699
I would be accepted, all right?

786
00:33:25,700 --> 00:33:27,939
I got the certified letter from my mother saying...

787
00:33:27,940 --> 00:33:29,919
- They can't tell you anything but...

788
00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:32,020
- Saying that she will give me $10 a month

789
00:33:33,474 --> 00:33:37,019
to make up the $10 different,

790
00:33:37,020 --> 00:33:39,210
and she rejects that and sends me up here.

791
00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:45,166
- So they told you you are not eligible.

792
00:33:45,167 --> 00:33:47,799
- She's told me she's giving me the food and money

793
00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:49,879
and all that other garbage, you know,

794
00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:53,170
but she wants me to relocate instamatically.

795
00:33:59,547 --> 00:34:01,069
She just wants me to move somewhere.

796
00:34:01,070 --> 00:34:03,483
- Your case is accepted, though.

797
00:34:03,484 --> 00:34:05,146
- Yes.

798
00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:32,829
- You know upstairs, there aren't two people

799
00:34:32,830 --> 00:34:34,419
that do it the same way?

800
00:34:34,420 --> 00:34:36,165
- There aren't?

801
00:34:36,166 --> 00:34:37,785
- If you're gonna need an interpreter

802
00:34:37,786 --> 00:34:39,552
I'll have to go find someone.

803
00:35:03,448 --> 00:35:04,532
- No no no, hold it.

804
00:35:04,533 --> 00:35:06,076
If I get my check today,

805
00:35:06,077 --> 00:35:08,194
which I think I will, they owe me two checks.

806
00:35:08,195 --> 00:35:09,526
You could...

807
00:35:09,527 --> 00:35:13,081
Come on, I don't do that, come on.

808
00:35:19,608 --> 00:35:23,311
- You want to go with me?

809
00:35:23,312 --> 00:35:25,827
- I just got out of the hospital.

810
00:35:25,828 --> 00:35:26,661
- Okay.

811
00:35:26,662 --> 00:35:28,292
What were you in the hospital for?

812
00:35:28,293 --> 00:35:29,492
- I got a operation.

813
00:35:34,368 --> 00:35:35,368
- Mrs. Johnson.

814
00:35:56,411 --> 00:35:59,309
- I was put in a hotel for a week,

815
00:35:59,310 --> 00:36:01,469
and my check was supposed to come there

816
00:36:01,470 --> 00:36:03,070
between the first and the third.

817
00:36:03,970 --> 00:36:06,709
It didn't come, the man gave me two days

818
00:36:06,710 --> 00:36:08,466
and put me out the hotel.

819
00:36:08,467 --> 00:36:09,899
- Mrs. Johnson, according to this,

820
00:36:09,900 --> 00:36:13,169
social security gave you a check on the 6th of January?

821
00:36:13,170 --> 00:36:14,499
- For food money.

822
00:36:14,500 --> 00:36:15,729
- How much did they give you?

823
00:36:15,730 --> 00:36:18,260
- $100 food money until...

824
00:36:18,261 --> 00:36:21,289
And saying my check will be there in 10 days,

825
00:36:21,290 --> 00:36:24,439
it's been 14 days, I meet the mailman every morning,

826
00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:25,539
no check comes.

827
00:36:25,540 --> 00:36:28,679
I can't pay no rent and I'm supposed to be in a hotel,

828
00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:29,829
but I didn't.

829
00:36:29,830 --> 00:36:32,959
And they ain't even had me listed,

830
00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:35,369
they told me that I wasn't even on the roll.

831
00:36:35,370 --> 00:36:37,369
- Were you receiving assistance here before,

832
00:36:37,370 --> 00:36:38,203
Mrs. Johnson?

833
00:36:38,204 --> 00:36:39,301
- Yes I was.

834
00:36:39,302 --> 00:36:41,182
- May I see your Medicaid card?

835
00:36:41,210 --> 00:36:42,479
- This a new one they gave me

836
00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:44,269
and they done put the wrong date on that,

837
00:36:44,270 --> 00:36:46,071
I got to get that changed.

838
00:36:46,072 --> 00:36:47,284
- Excuse me, excuse me.

839
00:36:47,285 --> 00:36:50,992
- They aren't supposed to be issued for a month.

840
00:36:50,993 --> 00:36:53,689
- How long were you on assistance in this office

841
00:36:53,690 --> 00:36:56,609
before you were sent to the social security?

842
00:36:56,610 --> 00:36:57,636
- Since March.

843
00:36:57,637 --> 00:36:58,729
- Since March of...

844
00:36:58,730 --> 00:37:00,679
- This year, last year.

845
00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:02,809
- 1973, yes.

846
00:37:02,810 --> 00:37:05,569
And your case was transferred from this office to security?

847
00:37:05,570 --> 00:37:08,229
- Disabled, because I'm disabled.

848
00:37:08,230 --> 00:37:11,602
- She claims she's been on assistance here since March.

849
00:37:11,603 --> 00:37:12,689
She was living...

850
00:37:12,690 --> 00:37:17,690
She has a rent receipt from the Hotel Marquez dated 1/2/74.

851
00:37:19,190 --> 00:37:20,299
- Mhmm.

852
00:37:20,300 --> 00:37:22,611
- So apparently it's a conversion,

853
00:37:22,612 --> 00:37:23,510
but here they have her as...

854
00:37:23,511 --> 00:37:25,379
Can you make this out here?

855
00:37:25,380 --> 00:37:27,069
- SSI beneficiary.

856
00:37:27,070 --> 00:37:28,689
- Which means that she was a conversion.

857
00:37:28,690 --> 00:37:31,160
- It means that she was a conversion, yeah.

858
00:37:31,161 --> 00:37:33,110
- For them to give her $100,

859
00:37:34,636 --> 00:37:36,499
she obviously is a conversion.

860
00:37:36,500 --> 00:37:37,500
- Is a conversion.

861
00:37:38,356 --> 00:37:39,342
- Nothing we can do.

862
00:37:39,343 --> 00:37:41,168
- Either that or they would've assumed in error

863
00:37:41,169 --> 00:37:42,289
that she was, and it doesn't seem like it,

864
00:37:42,290 --> 00:37:44,229
since she's been in a state of assistance since March.

865
00:37:44,230 --> 00:37:46,449
- But I don't understand they're saying needs home relief.

866
00:37:46,450 --> 00:37:49,819
- Well apparently they just are hoping that she can get

867
00:37:49,820 --> 00:37:52,589
some help here or wanted to get rid of her, either one.

868
00:37:52,590 --> 00:37:53,726
Because...

869
00:37:53,727 --> 00:37:55,356
- I was wondering if they were inferring

870
00:37:55,357 --> 00:37:59,529
that her eligibility had been denied for assistance,

871
00:37:59,530 --> 00:38:00,363
but they wouldn't...

872
00:38:00,363 --> 00:38:01,230
- Did she give us a phone number?

873
00:38:01,231 --> 00:38:03,828
No, they never give us phone numbers to call.

874
00:38:03,829 --> 00:38:06,699
- Now she's at the Hotel Vasquez.

875
00:38:06,700 --> 00:38:08,259
- Oh, yeah, well she'll have to get through

876
00:38:08,260 --> 00:38:09,719
the change of address with them,

877
00:38:09,720 --> 00:38:11,059
and we cannot help her here.

878
00:38:11,060 --> 00:38:12,939
It looks as if she's a conversion case.

879
00:38:12,940 --> 00:38:15,419
- She is a conversion case obviously, yes.

880
00:38:15,420 --> 00:38:18,064
Well I'll in form her of this, okay?

881
00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:29,120
Mrs. Johnson, once a case has been transferred or converted

882
00:38:29,990 --> 00:38:32,520
to social security by this office,

883
00:38:33,375 --> 00:38:38,375
we are not able to make any address changes

884
00:38:40,261 --> 00:38:42,659
that occur in January.

885
00:38:42,660 --> 00:38:45,649
You must wait until they mail you a check, Mrs. Johnson,

886
00:38:45,650 --> 00:38:49,488
because social security already gave you $100

887
00:38:49,489 --> 00:38:50,907
for your January...

888
00:38:50,908 --> 00:38:52,139
- Food money.

889
00:38:52,140 --> 00:38:53,589
Food money for 10 days.

890
00:38:53,590 --> 00:38:55,299
- Yes, until the other check arrives,

891
00:38:55,300 --> 00:38:57,599
they are responsible for any checks

892
00:38:57,600 --> 00:39:00,519
issued you in January, Mrs. Johnson.

893
00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:02,499
- That's what they're saying, but they're saying

894
00:39:02,500 --> 00:39:07,459
y'all's welfare have to make out my budget

895
00:39:07,460 --> 00:39:09,329
and I'll bring it over there to them

896
00:39:09,330 --> 00:39:13,109
and then they will take over from there.

897
00:39:13,110 --> 00:39:15,599
- How much rent were you paying here, Mrs. Johnson?

898
00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:17,459
- I was paying $140 a month.

899
00:39:17,460 --> 00:39:18,696
- $140 a month?

900
00:39:18,697 --> 00:39:21,370
- Yeah, and the hotel, it's gonna cost...

901
00:39:22,714 --> 00:39:25,068
- Well if you were getting...

902
00:39:25,069 --> 00:39:26,699
Do you have cooking facilities at your...

903
00:39:26,700 --> 00:39:28,836
- $47 food cooking facilities,

904
00:39:28,837 --> 00:39:30,539
but the hotel don't have none.

905
00:39:30,540 --> 00:39:32,619
- And the rent there was $140?

906
00:39:32,620 --> 00:39:33,759
- $140 a month.

907
00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:37,086
- That means it's $70, $70 monthly.

908
00:39:37,087 --> 00:39:38,950
In other words, we were...

909
00:39:39,820 --> 00:39:43,319
Your budget, the budget you were receiving from us,

910
00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:45,239
was $117...

911
00:39:45,240 --> 00:39:46,073
- Yes, two weeks.

912
00:39:46,074 --> 00:39:47,729
- Every two weeks, correct.

913
00:39:47,730 --> 00:39:52,730
Now the social security budget will be $214 a month.

914
00:39:53,505 --> 00:39:54,869
You understand that?

915
00:39:54,870 --> 00:39:56,629
- Yes, but I ain't got no check from them.

916
00:39:56,630 --> 00:39:59,284
- But they gave you $100 advance.

917
00:39:59,285 --> 00:40:00,230
- Yeah.

918
00:40:00,231 --> 00:40:01,679
- Toward your food check.

919
00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:02,513
- That was food money.

920
00:40:02,514 --> 00:40:04,869
- Right, now they will send you a check

921
00:40:04,870 --> 00:40:06,559
at your address here.

922
00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:08,284
- Then been supposed to send it.

923
00:40:08,285 --> 00:40:10,249
It wasn't even on the roll,

924
00:40:10,250 --> 00:40:12,680
but now they're gonna have to put me in the hotel

925
00:40:12,681 --> 00:40:14,869
because I'm getting put out of this here place.

926
00:40:14,870 --> 00:40:16,608
- And they are responsible

927
00:40:16,609 --> 00:40:17,442
for the address change...

928
00:40:17,442 --> 00:40:18,275
- And they want...

929
00:40:18,275 --> 00:40:19,108
- I'm gonna give you a letter

930
00:40:19,109 --> 00:40:20,579
and I want you to go there right away

931
00:40:20,580 --> 00:40:23,780
so they can make an address change for you, Mrs. Johnson.

932
00:40:23,781 --> 00:40:25,689
I'm terribly sorry-

933
00:40:25,690 --> 00:40:27,199
- The man said they don't make no changes.

934
00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:29,349
You could call 'em, I don't have money to be

935
00:40:29,350 --> 00:40:31,249
ripping and running in that rain,

936
00:40:31,250 --> 00:40:33,459
I just got out of the hospital from an operation,

937
00:40:33,460 --> 00:40:34,649
a serious operation.

938
00:40:34,650 --> 00:40:38,069
- Well I'll tell you, with the new social security budget,

939
00:40:38,070 --> 00:40:41,969
there is no increase in rent, there are no provisions made

940
00:40:41,970 --> 00:40:44,069
for any increase in rent.

941
00:40:44,070 --> 00:40:46,660
You are to live on a flat grant.

942
00:40:47,509 --> 00:40:52,340
Not to exceed no more than $206.85 a month,

943
00:40:54,090 --> 00:40:56,859
regardless of how much rent you pay.

944
00:40:56,860 --> 00:41:00,762
You will get one grant, do you understand that Miss Johnson?

945
00:41:00,763 --> 00:41:05,433
Whether you pay $50 a month or $150 a month rent.

946
00:41:05,434 --> 00:41:06,999
- $160 a month rent.

947
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:09,607
- The fact is that social security

948
00:41:09,608 --> 00:41:13,169
does not increase or decrease your budget like we used to.

949
00:41:13,170 --> 00:41:17,429
- No, they say you will figure out

950
00:41:17,430 --> 00:41:20,159
how much my budget will be in the hotel,

951
00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:22,783
and they will house it from there.

952
00:41:22,784 --> 00:41:25,079
- But we cannot change any budgets

953
00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:28,899
after January 1st, Mrs. Johnson.

954
00:41:28,900 --> 00:41:30,728
So the person may have been mistaken.

955
00:41:30,729 --> 00:41:35,149
- Well I was being put in the hotel before January 1st.

956
00:41:35,150 --> 00:41:39,228
- Actually your case is probably at 39 Broadway.

957
00:41:39,229 --> 00:41:41,619
They sent you to the other office because

958
00:41:41,620 --> 00:41:42,580
they were too crowded.

959
00:41:42,581 --> 00:41:45,859
- I called 39 Broadway, she said...

960
00:41:45,860 --> 00:41:48,001
She said that...

961
00:41:54,839 --> 00:41:56,488
- It'll be the end of next month

962
00:41:56,489 --> 00:42:00,090
before I receive any kind of rent money or food money,

963
00:42:00,091 --> 00:42:02,428
and I'll be put out by then.

964
00:42:18,053 --> 00:42:20,360
I didn't record it to social service.

965
00:42:20,361 --> 00:42:21,459
I returned my rent money here.

966
00:42:21,460 --> 00:42:23,569
- I'm calling 39 Broadway now

967
00:42:23,570 --> 00:42:26,104
to see if they could find it, okay?

968
00:42:31,205 --> 00:42:32,739
Valerie Johnson for me, please?

969
00:42:32,740 --> 00:42:37,740
The social security number 437-58-3867.

970
00:42:38,710 --> 00:42:41,149
She was referred to us again for a change of address

971
00:42:41,150 --> 00:42:43,022
I understand effective January

972
00:42:43,023 --> 00:42:46,059
that we are not responsible for any address changes

973
00:42:46,060 --> 00:42:47,779
or budget changes, rather.

974
00:42:47,780 --> 00:42:50,020
She actually is requesting a budget change.

975
00:42:52,710 --> 00:42:55,600
Yes, she wants to put in a change of address, right.

976
00:42:57,950 --> 00:43:01,980
It's 437-58-3867.

977
00:43:05,230 --> 00:43:06,949
Yes, would you please?

978
00:43:06,950 --> 00:43:08,169
Mhmm.

979
00:43:08,170 --> 00:43:10,864
She's gonna check her rolls, Mrs. Johnson, okay?

980
00:43:45,993 --> 00:43:46,993
Okay?

981
00:43:48,097 --> 00:43:48,930
- Okay.

982
00:43:48,930 --> 00:43:49,930
- Okay?

983
00:43:54,440 --> 00:43:56,185
Okay Nicolassa, good night.

984
00:43:56,186 --> 00:43:57,992
- Good night, bye bye.

985
00:43:57,993 --> 00:43:58,993
Bye.

986
00:44:01,742 --> 00:44:02,825
- Yes, hello.

987
00:44:07,205 --> 00:44:08,136
Do you have...

988
00:44:08,137 --> 00:44:09,719
Is the address 31 East First Street?

989
00:44:09,720 --> 00:44:12,659
It's possible, see she says she was serviced

990
00:44:12,660 --> 00:44:15,039
at 1657 Broadway.

991
00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:17,109
Now I don't know why they would service her up there

992
00:44:17,110 --> 00:44:21,559
if she's got this First Street address.

993
00:44:21,560 --> 00:44:23,070
Do you have a birthday on her?

994
00:44:24,350 --> 00:44:25,350
Yeah.

995
00:44:29,930 --> 00:44:31,609
She has a Valerie Johnson there,

996
00:44:31,610 --> 00:44:34,169
31 East First Avenue.

997
00:44:34,170 --> 00:44:36,379
- They got the address wrong, that's what it is.

998
00:44:36,380 --> 00:44:37,370
That's me.

999
00:44:37,371 --> 00:44:38,599
That's me.

1000
00:44:38,600 --> 00:44:39,433
- Yeah.

1001
00:44:39,434 --> 00:44:40,769
No, but she has a different social security number.

1002
00:44:40,770 --> 00:44:42,679
- She got it wrong then.

1003
00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:44,879
My ID was lost, I had to come here and get

1004
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:48,010
duplicate copies of everything, that's me, Valerie Johnson.

1005
00:44:54,670 --> 00:44:58,809
- Well here your office is at 125th Street,

1006
00:44:58,810 --> 00:45:03,589
did you go way up there too, at 230 West 125th Street?

1007
00:45:03,590 --> 00:45:07,159
Oh this is when you lived at East 29th Street,

1008
00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:08,559
you don't live there anymore, do you?

1009
00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:10,449
- No, that was the old one

1010
00:45:10,450 --> 00:45:12,469
when I first got my social security card.

1011
00:45:12,470 --> 00:45:14,629
- Now this is the correct number that we have here,

1012
00:45:14,630 --> 00:45:15,463
your account number,

1013
00:45:15,464 --> 00:45:18,169
your social security number seems to be correct.

1014
00:45:18,170 --> 00:45:20,092
She's checking it out for me, okay?

1015
00:45:20,093 --> 00:45:21,093
Yeah.

1016
00:45:24,171 --> 00:45:26,491
- They told me that's where my check would be returned to,

1017
00:45:27,050 --> 00:45:28,280
that center.

1018
00:45:28,281 --> 00:45:29,579
- Now you didn't pay rent at this address

1019
00:45:29,580 --> 00:45:31,329
for January, did you?

1020
00:45:31,330 --> 00:45:34,149
- I ain't got no check for January to pay no rent there.

1021
00:45:34,150 --> 00:45:37,319
And brought the two rent checks in here

1022
00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:39,609
and turned them in to y'all for December

1023
00:45:39,610 --> 00:45:41,979
because I was moving in the hotel.

1024
00:45:41,980 --> 00:45:43,279
- But they eventually gave you

1025
00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:44,929
the December checks, is that correct?

1026
00:45:44,930 --> 00:45:47,299
- No, they didn't give 'em to me, y'all still got 'em.

1027
00:45:47,300 --> 00:45:49,319
- You got no checks for December here?

1028
00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:50,829
- No, I brought 'em into y'all,

1029
00:45:50,830 --> 00:45:52,760
one for rent and one for the...

1030
00:45:52,761 --> 00:45:54,052
- I mean your welfare checks,

1031
00:45:54,053 --> 00:45:54,981
your welfare checks.

1032
00:45:54,982 --> 00:45:56,555
- My welfare checks, I turned 'em back into y'all,

1033
00:45:56,556 --> 00:45:57,389
both of 'em.

1034
00:45:57,390 --> 00:45:58,789
- You had no money for December here?

1035
00:45:58,790 --> 00:46:03,200
- I had food money, but the rent money I brought back in.

1036
00:46:03,201 --> 00:46:05,319
- Because you were supposed to have moved.

1037
00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:07,159
- Because they was putting me in the hotel

1038
00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:09,349
soon as the January first.

1039
00:46:09,350 --> 00:46:10,779
- Now what happened to the rent money

1040
00:46:10,780 --> 00:46:12,539
they gave you for the new hotel?

1041
00:46:12,540 --> 00:46:13,749
They're, excuse me.

1042
00:46:13,750 --> 00:46:15,319
- They only paid it for one week,

1043
00:46:15,320 --> 00:46:16,879
here's the receipt, you got the receipt.

1044
00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:19,689
- Okay, well thank you.

1045
00:46:19,690 --> 00:46:21,759
- They only paid it for a week,

1046
00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:26,209
and then social security was supposed to have my check there

1047
00:46:26,210 --> 00:46:28,789
before this rent was due, and they didn't pay it.

1048
00:46:28,790 --> 00:46:31,199
The man was nice enough to let me stay there

1049
00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:34,459
two days over, and then he couldn't let me stay no more

1050
00:46:34,460 --> 00:46:37,340
after the check wasn't coming and I couldn't pay.

1051
00:46:37,341 --> 00:46:38,399
- So you did not pay this hotel any rent,

1052
00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:39,233
is that correct?

1053
00:46:39,233 --> 00:46:40,180
- Yeah, I paid this here.

1054
00:46:40,181 --> 00:46:41,299
- Just one week?

1055
00:46:41,300 --> 00:46:42,133
- One week.

1056
00:46:42,134 --> 00:46:43,229
- And you stayed a week and two days,

1057
00:46:43,230 --> 00:46:44,549
is that right?

1058
00:46:44,550 --> 00:46:47,449
- My check was supposed to come the third...

1059
00:46:47,450 --> 00:46:52,450
Between the third and the seventh, and it never did come.

1060
00:46:52,521 --> 00:46:54,370
- Now let me ask you a question, Mrs. Johnson.

1061
00:46:55,300 --> 00:46:59,879
Why does social security have your old number,

1062
00:46:59,880 --> 00:47:02,029
your old address, did you ask them that?

1063
00:47:02,030 --> 00:47:03,169
- Because when I got put on here,

1064
00:47:03,170 --> 00:47:06,289
I didn't have nowhere else to go but to that old apartment,

1065
00:47:06,290 --> 00:47:08,569
so I went back in that old apartment.

1066
00:47:08,570 --> 00:47:09,470
- And this, we...

1067
00:47:09,471 --> 00:47:13,422
This is all you received from this office,

1068
00:47:13,423 --> 00:47:16,889
a week's rent to pay this hotel here?

1069
00:47:16,890 --> 00:47:17,890
- Right, and food money.

1070
00:47:17,891 --> 00:47:20,409
- Do you know if they made a change of address

1071
00:47:20,410 --> 00:47:22,230
when you did it?

1072
00:47:23,276 --> 00:47:27,649
When we gave you a week's rent here at the Marquez hotel...

1073
00:47:27,650 --> 00:47:30,700
- They put the address the Marquez hotel then.

1074
00:47:31,720 --> 00:47:33,499
After I had to move out of there

1075
00:47:33,500 --> 00:47:34,969
I went to social security,

1076
00:47:34,970 --> 00:47:37,119
told them how I had to move out of there

1077
00:47:37,120 --> 00:47:40,539
and the only place I had to go was the old apartment.

1078
00:47:40,540 --> 00:47:44,925
He sent me with this letter for y'all to send me

1079
00:47:44,926 --> 00:47:47,009
with a budget.

1080
00:47:47,010 --> 00:47:48,429
- You spent the whole $100

1081
00:47:48,430 --> 00:47:50,979
since the sixth of the month?

1082
00:47:50,980 --> 00:47:53,268
- I paid my lights, my electric,

1083
00:47:53,269 --> 00:47:55,264
and gas bill out of it,

1084
00:47:55,265 --> 00:47:59,845
bought a few groceries and it was gone.

1085
00:47:59,846 --> 00:48:01,079
Bought two new sweaters...

1086
00:48:01,080 --> 00:48:02,320
- Mrs. Johnson,

1087
00:48:03,201 --> 00:48:04,324
can you wait 'til tomorrow morning?

1088
00:48:04,325 --> 00:48:06,609
I think we should work on this properly.

1089
00:48:06,610 --> 00:48:07,540
This man apparently...

1090
00:48:07,541 --> 00:48:10,330
- That Valerie Johnson that they got at 39...

1091
00:48:12,525 --> 00:48:13,929
- At 39 Broadway.

1092
00:48:13,930 --> 00:48:15,936
- Broadway, that's me.

1093
00:48:15,937 --> 00:48:18,449
They made the mistake in the number

1094
00:48:18,450 --> 00:48:20,679
because I didn't see this lady person,

1095
00:48:20,680 --> 00:48:22,580
she took the information on the phone.

1096
00:48:23,573 --> 00:48:24,406
- But don't you think

1097
00:48:24,407 --> 00:48:25,709
that if you came in in the morning Mrs. Johnson

1098
00:48:25,710 --> 00:48:27,569
we could clarify this better?

1099
00:48:27,570 --> 00:48:30,169
Perhaps that is your case down at Broadway,

1100
00:48:30,170 --> 00:48:32,789
there was a different social security number.

1101
00:48:32,790 --> 00:48:35,541
- She got the check down there, right?

1102
00:48:35,542 --> 00:48:36,969
- Well she didn't say,

1103
00:48:36,970 --> 00:48:38,099
she just gave me your name...

1104
00:48:38,100 --> 00:48:40,715
- Would you call and ask and I'll go down there

1105
00:48:40,716 --> 00:48:44,249
and have her verify that there's no Valerie Johnson

1106
00:48:44,250 --> 00:48:45,640
on First Avenue?

1107
00:48:46,537 --> 00:48:47,370
I'll even...

1108
00:48:47,371 --> 00:48:49,140
- She said 31 First Avenue.

1109
00:48:50,233 --> 00:48:51,709
Do you think it's a mistake?

1110
00:48:51,710 --> 00:48:53,849
- It ain't no 31 First Avenue,

1111
00:48:53,850 --> 00:48:55,769
it's 31 East First Avenue,

1112
00:48:55,770 --> 00:48:58,372
they don't even have no address like that.

1113
00:48:58,373 --> 00:48:59,230
- It's 31 East First Street.

1114
00:48:59,230 --> 00:49:00,063
- Street, right.

1115
00:49:00,063 --> 00:49:01,050
It ain't no...

1116
00:49:01,051 --> 00:49:03,129
- I asked her for your birthdate

1117
00:49:03,130 --> 00:49:05,932
to verify further whether you were the person

1118
00:49:05,933 --> 00:49:08,499
and she did not have your birthdate listed there.

1119
00:49:08,500 --> 00:49:10,159
- She did not take my birthdate

1120
00:49:10,160 --> 00:49:12,209
when she was asking me on the phone.

1121
00:49:12,210 --> 00:49:14,269
- Then you did see someone at 39 Broadway.

1122
00:49:14,270 --> 00:49:16,059
- I talked to her on the phone,

1123
00:49:16,060 --> 00:49:18,740
and been talking to her almost every day.

1124
00:49:18,741 --> 00:49:20,660
- Why don't you go there in person,

1125
00:49:20,661 --> 00:49:21,494
why don't you down to lower Broadway right now?

1126
00:49:21,495 --> 00:49:23,930
- Would you call her and ask her?

1127
00:49:25,091 --> 00:49:28,249
- Well, the rent you owe is for December, is that correct?

1128
00:49:28,250 --> 00:49:31,429
- December and January, I got no check for January.

1129
00:49:31,430 --> 00:49:32,580
Nothing but food money.

1130
00:49:35,473 --> 00:49:36,833
And I'm still waiting on my check.

1131
00:49:37,911 --> 00:49:38,932
I've been waiting.

1132
00:49:38,933 --> 00:49:40,176
- This is very complicated Mrs. Johnson,

1133
00:49:40,177 --> 00:49:42,139
because if you owe December rent.

1134
00:49:42,140 --> 00:49:44,649
- I don't owe it, I brought it in and gave it here to y'all.

1135
00:49:44,650 --> 00:49:45,709
Y'all got December rent.

1136
00:49:45,710 --> 00:49:48,579
- Yes, okay then, then we are probably responsible

1137
00:49:48,580 --> 00:49:50,919
for that December check.

1138
00:49:50,920 --> 00:49:52,792
Social security would...

1139
00:49:52,793 --> 00:49:54,680
- That's what they said, y'all responsible for it.

1140
00:49:54,681 --> 00:49:55,514
- And social security...

1141
00:49:55,515 --> 00:49:57,029
- Now they're gonna give me January,

1142
00:49:57,030 --> 00:50:00,969
but ya'll got my December, which puts me two months behind.

1143
00:50:00,970 --> 00:50:02,779
- Then we're gonna have to send you to reception

1144
00:50:02,780 --> 00:50:06,159
so you get an appointment for group four,

1145
00:50:06,160 --> 00:50:09,399
which is the group that gives out checks here, Mrs. Johnson,

1146
00:50:09,400 --> 00:50:10,400
do you understand?

1147
00:50:17,080 --> 00:50:19,859
You want me to call reception to see if we can get you

1148
00:50:19,860 --> 00:50:21,049
an appointment now?

1149
00:50:21,050 --> 00:50:22,305
- Yes.

1150
00:50:22,306 --> 00:50:23,344
- For the group here?

1151
00:50:23,345 --> 00:50:25,079
- For to see about my December check,

1152
00:50:25,080 --> 00:50:27,120
but would you call 39 Broadway?

1153
00:50:29,350 --> 00:50:32,315
- This comes from 1657 Broadway.

1154
00:50:32,316 --> 00:50:34,309
Whatever this means I don't know.

1155
00:50:34,310 --> 00:50:35,170
- Hold on a minute.

1156
00:50:35,171 --> 00:50:37,870
- She's under the impression that the security workup

1157
00:50:38,774 --> 00:50:41,669
wants a budget from us.

1158
00:50:41,670 --> 00:50:44,289
But according to this, there's nothing they can do for her,

1159
00:50:44,290 --> 00:50:46,839
they gave her $100 on 1/6,

1160
00:50:46,840 --> 00:50:49,537
now, she was referred, she claims

1161
00:50:49,538 --> 00:50:54,179
she was given a check by us to the Hotel Marquez on 1/2,

1162
00:50:54,180 --> 00:50:57,440
and returned the December rent checks.

1163
00:50:58,790 --> 00:51:00,579
- All right, she was probably given...

1164
00:51:00,580 --> 00:51:02,159
- Now she's back at this address.

1165
00:51:02,160 --> 00:51:04,999
- She was probably given a check on 1/2

1166
00:51:05,000 --> 00:51:07,519
to replace December checks that were lost.

1167
00:51:07,520 --> 00:51:11,293
That's probably why they were able to

1168
00:51:11,294 --> 00:51:13,136
- No, they was mailed to me in the mail.

1169
00:51:13,137 --> 00:51:13,970
- Okay.

1170
00:51:13,971 --> 00:51:15,419
- And they told me they would put me in the hotel,

1171
00:51:15,420 --> 00:51:18,499
so I saved the checks and brought them in here.

1172
00:51:18,500 --> 00:51:20,329
Now when I went to social security,

1173
00:51:20,330 --> 00:51:23,352
they said they didn't even have me on the roll

1174
00:51:23,353 --> 00:51:26,789
'cause no check had been sent out to me no kinda way.

1175
00:51:26,790 --> 00:51:28,640
So they gave me emergency food money.

1176
00:51:31,959 --> 00:51:35,170
At 39 Broadway office, they got Valerie Johnson,

1177
00:51:37,021 --> 00:51:38,923
but they got the wrong address.

1178
00:51:38,924 --> 00:51:41,839
- I don't see any way that this office can help her here.

1179
00:51:41,840 --> 00:51:44,380
I imagine that was some kind of replacement check.

1180
00:51:45,509 --> 00:51:46,342
- I would assume.

1181
00:51:46,343 --> 00:51:48,159
But according to this, there's nothing they can do for her

1182
00:51:48,160 --> 00:51:49,289
and she needs home relief...

1183
00:51:49,290 --> 00:51:52,489
- No, she was a grandfathered in case, do we know that?

1184
00:51:52,490 --> 00:51:53,759
- She was, I'm sure she was.

1185
00:51:53,760 --> 00:51:55,569
For them to give her $100.

1186
00:51:55,570 --> 00:51:57,179
- Did you check the roll?

1187
00:51:57,180 --> 00:52:00,909
- I can't get security.

1188
00:52:00,910 --> 00:52:03,197
I'll have to check the roll to see if she...

1189
00:52:03,198 --> 00:52:04,558
I'm sure she was.

1190
00:52:04,559 --> 00:52:05,919
- See if she was grandfathered in.

1191
00:52:06,239 --> 00:52:08,899
- May I have your Medicaid card again miss?

1192
00:52:08,900 --> 00:52:13,439
Oh nevermind, I have it here, I have it here.

1193
00:52:13,440 --> 00:52:15,854
- What it appears to be is

1194
00:52:15,855 --> 00:52:19,569
that the money you were given here early in January

1195
00:52:19,570 --> 00:52:23,309
was to replace money that was given to you in December

1196
00:52:23,310 --> 00:52:26,439
or that was owed to you from December or whatever.

1197
00:52:26,440 --> 00:52:30,559
You are definitely on social security's rolls.

1198
00:52:30,560 --> 00:52:32,880
You are on there to the amount of...

1199
00:52:39,310 --> 00:52:43,210
$241.46 a month.

1200
00:52:44,045 --> 00:52:46,609
They may give you, hold on a minute, hold on.

1201
00:52:46,610 --> 00:52:49,589
You hear me through and I'll hear you through.

1202
00:52:49,590 --> 00:52:53,599
That is the amount that we budgeted you for when we

1203
00:52:53,600 --> 00:52:55,100
turned your case over to them.

1204
00:52:56,510 --> 00:52:58,760
- That was the 31 East what you call it.

1205
00:53:01,406 --> 00:53:02,300
- Okay, hold on a minute.

1206
00:53:02,301 --> 00:53:03,629
- But you made me a new budget

1207
00:53:03,630 --> 00:53:04,819
when you put me in a hotel.

1208
00:53:04,820 --> 00:53:07,053
- Hold on.

1209
00:53:07,054 --> 00:53:12,054
For $241.46 a month, they may give you some extra

1210
00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:15,969
to make up for the fact that you have lost your food stamps.

1211
00:53:15,970 --> 00:53:18,949
I think they make some financial allowance for that.

1212
00:53:18,950 --> 00:53:21,609
So you would be getting a little extra.

1213
00:53:21,610 --> 00:53:25,689
Now, that is for your budget at 31 East First Street,

1214
00:53:25,690 --> 00:53:27,817
you're not living there anymore.

1215
00:53:27,818 --> 00:53:28,651
- Right.

1216
00:53:28,652 --> 00:53:30,529
- But you moved after the first of January,

1217
00:53:30,530 --> 00:53:32,749
if my understanding is correct.

1218
00:53:32,750 --> 00:53:34,899
Therefore I do not believe...

1219
00:53:34,900 --> 00:53:35,977
- She still made out a new budget.

1220
00:53:35,978 --> 00:53:37,285
She still made out a new budget

1221
00:53:37,286 --> 00:53:40,313
and told me my check will come to the hotel then.

1222
00:53:40,314 --> 00:53:43,940
So she had to make out a hotel budget

1223
00:53:43,941 --> 00:53:48,289
in order to send my check to this hotel,

1224
00:53:48,290 --> 00:53:49,790
so I have enough money to pay.

1225
00:53:50,694 --> 00:53:51,527
- All right, we'll have to wait

1226
00:53:51,528 --> 00:53:53,279
until we hear from them downstairs.

1227
00:53:53,280 --> 00:53:56,219
I understand somebody down there is looking up your record.

1228
00:53:56,220 --> 00:53:58,069
We'll see what they did.

1229
00:53:58,070 --> 00:54:00,379
I'm just telling you that my understanding is

1230
00:54:00,380 --> 00:54:03,519
that if you moved, your case has been turned over

1231
00:54:03,520 --> 00:54:05,589
to the Social Security Administration.

1232
00:54:05,590 --> 00:54:06,909
Okay.

1233
00:54:06,910 --> 00:54:08,589
Well, let's see what they come up with

1234
00:54:08,590 --> 00:54:10,099
from the record downstairs.

1235
00:54:10,100 --> 00:54:12,559
If something unusual has occurred,

1236
00:54:12,560 --> 00:54:14,975
and that change was put through, fine.

1237
00:54:14,976 --> 00:54:17,749
- And messing me around because

1238
00:54:17,750 --> 00:54:21,250
I'm getting put out of everywhere, you know,

1239
00:54:22,220 --> 00:54:27,220
and I don't have no more food money or anything

1240
00:54:27,540 --> 00:54:29,229
because they told me definitely

1241
00:54:29,230 --> 00:54:32,159
that my check would be out in a few days.

1242
00:54:32,160 --> 00:54:34,613
- Miss Matthews, can you get Mrs. Johnson

1243
00:54:34,614 --> 00:54:36,419
to come here in the morning?

1244
00:54:36,420 --> 00:54:38,899
Explain to her that perhaps we would have

1245
00:54:38,900 --> 00:54:40,389
more time to find her record,

1246
00:54:40,390 --> 00:54:41,360
we would have more time...

1247
00:54:41,361 --> 00:54:42,609
- You can't find her records?

1248
00:54:42,610 --> 00:54:43,709
- They've looked downstairs.

1249
00:54:43,710 --> 00:54:44,910
The woman in the group...

1250
00:54:46,106 --> 00:54:47,737
- No nobody, she didn't go look.

1251
00:54:47,738 --> 00:54:49,089
She didn't go look.

1252
00:54:49,090 --> 00:54:49,923
She said she...

1253
00:54:49,924 --> 00:54:51,590
- Talk to Miss Perry.

1254
00:54:52,643 --> 00:54:54,203
- She couldn't give you any information

1255
00:54:54,748 --> 00:54:56,388
without the record, that's what she said,

1256
00:54:56,466 --> 00:54:57,938
because she don't remember it.

1257
00:54:57,939 --> 00:54:59,199
But she got it wrote in the record, she said.

1258
00:54:59,200 --> 00:55:01,825
If you get the record you'll see.

1259
00:55:01,826 --> 00:55:03,019
- If they don't have your record,

1260
00:55:03,020 --> 00:55:04,820
they don't know nothing about you.

1261
00:55:05,718 --> 00:55:07,339
You could be Jane Doe.

1262
00:55:07,340 --> 00:55:09,209
You understand where I'm coming from?

1263
00:55:09,210 --> 00:55:10,359
They don't know nothing about it,

1264
00:55:10,360 --> 00:55:13,069
so you cannot, come here, you got something in your eye.

1265
00:55:13,070 --> 00:55:14,294
- They've got...

1266
00:55:14,295 --> 00:55:15,128
That's a mole.

1267
00:55:15,129 --> 00:55:17,348
That man down there could go get the record, see?

1268
00:55:17,349 --> 00:55:19,028
- Open your eye.

1269
00:55:19,029 --> 00:55:21,490
- That man down there could go get my record.

1270
00:55:22,639 --> 00:55:25,170
- Let's go downstairs, I'll talk to Miss Perry.

1271
00:55:26,400 --> 00:55:28,739
- Hey, hey, get your stuff.

1272
00:55:28,740 --> 00:55:30,685
- Are you ready yet?

1273
00:55:30,686 --> 00:55:33,728
- Yeah, I'm waiting for my checks to be taken downstairs.

1274
00:55:33,729 --> 00:55:34,899
- Mrs. Johnson, in the event they don't find your record...

1275
00:55:34,900 --> 00:55:36,219
- Is this yours?

1276
00:55:36,220 --> 00:55:37,679
Please don't forget nothing.

1277
00:55:37,680 --> 00:55:40,480
- Miss Matthews, or rather Miss Johnson.

1278
00:55:41,360 --> 00:55:44,917
- She can stay with me until tomorrow if necessary.

1279
00:55:44,918 --> 00:55:46,280
- That would be fine.

1280
00:55:46,281 --> 00:55:47,114
In the event they don't find your record tonight,

1281
00:55:47,115 --> 00:55:48,880
please come here early in the morning,

1282
00:55:49,750 --> 00:55:51,869
and go to the reception desk.

1283
00:55:51,870 --> 00:55:53,080
- Can she get a receipt?

1284
00:55:54,130 --> 00:55:55,880
I mean an appointment?

1285
00:55:56,842 --> 00:55:58,429
- She will in the morning, yes.

1286
00:55:58,430 --> 00:56:01,748
- She can get an appointment downstairs for tomorrow?

1287
00:56:01,749 --> 00:56:02,582
- No.

1288
00:56:02,582 --> 00:56:03,415
- I doubt if they could do it for her now,

1289
00:56:03,416 --> 00:56:04,889
but she will get one in the morning.

1290
00:56:04,890 --> 00:56:07,989
- In the morning she'll get an appointment to come back

1291
00:56:07,990 --> 00:56:08,823
for another day?

1292
00:56:08,824 --> 00:56:10,117
- On an emergency basis.

1293
00:56:10,118 --> 00:56:12,142
- That's not sure, that's not sure.

1294
00:56:12,143 --> 00:56:14,383
- You know that, you know they ain't gonna give me no...

1295
00:56:17,929 --> 00:56:20,189
- See Mr. Matthews tomorrow.

1296
00:56:20,190 --> 00:56:21,023
- Mister?

1297
00:56:21,024 --> 00:56:23,542
- Matthews, he's in reception...

1298
00:56:28,054 --> 00:56:30,103
- If they don't call her number,

1299
00:56:30,104 --> 00:56:32,781
if they don't call her number until 5:00 in the afternoon,

1300
00:56:32,782 --> 00:56:35,249
she will not get an appointment till the next day.

1301
00:56:35,250 --> 00:56:36,649
- On an emergency basis

1302
00:56:36,650 --> 00:56:38,489
we can get her an appointment tomorrow.

1303
00:56:38,490 --> 00:56:40,579
- They just gave me an appointment for Wednesday.

1304
00:56:40,580 --> 00:56:43,525
- Would you give me a letter saying it's emergency basis?

1305
00:56:51,086 --> 00:56:54,249
- You're not gonna get nowhere up here arguing with him.

1306
00:56:54,250 --> 00:56:55,589
He's doing his job.

1307
00:56:55,590 --> 00:56:57,539
The man can't do no more than...

1308
00:56:57,540 --> 00:56:59,362
- She gotta go through all that.

1309
00:57:06,565 --> 00:57:08,333
Don't feel bad, look here, I've been here

1310
00:57:08,334 --> 00:57:09,865
and haven't even got in.

1311
00:57:09,866 --> 00:57:11,573
- Come on, come walk with me.

1312
00:57:14,769 --> 00:57:18,149
- I did get 39 Broadway, they have a Valerie Johnson there

1313
00:57:18,150 --> 00:57:20,209
with a different social security number,

1314
00:57:20,210 --> 00:57:22,357
and they got her at 31 Avenue...

1315
00:57:24,681 --> 00:57:25,681
- 31 First Avenue.

1316
00:57:29,583 --> 00:57:31,461
- I know, but dig this.

1317
00:57:31,462 --> 00:57:33,822
Listen, listen, this is the third time that I've been here.

1318
00:57:35,546 --> 00:57:36,773
- Makes me mad to see them do this.

1319
00:57:36,774 --> 00:57:38,601
- No, but they don't care nothing back there,

1320
00:57:38,602 --> 00:57:39,709
they're gonna send her and she's gonna have to go to...

1321
00:57:39,710 --> 00:57:41,430
- You know what's curious,

1322
00:57:43,338 --> 00:57:46,679
look at the slip they give her to go here.

1323
00:57:46,680 --> 00:57:48,949
165 West 46th Street.

1324
00:57:48,950 --> 00:57:50,309
I couldn't even get information

1325
00:57:50,310 --> 00:57:52,979
to give me a number on there.

1326
00:57:52,980 --> 00:57:55,419
- I cannot get them to give me an address on it,

1327
00:57:55,420 --> 00:57:58,117
they transferred me from person to person.

1328
00:58:00,814 --> 00:58:01,762
- See that's different, she should...

1329
00:58:01,763 --> 00:58:02,859
- But she's still a little mixed up.

1330
00:58:02,860 --> 00:58:05,870
Now they gonna fuck her around as long as they can.

1331
00:58:07,226 --> 00:58:08,845
- But did she tell them that she was eligible for...

1332
00:58:08,846 --> 00:58:10,429
- She's a little bit retarded, if that ain't eligible,

1333
00:58:10,430 --> 00:58:11,430
what the fuck is?

1334
00:58:12,904 --> 00:58:14,432
- Well does she have a doctor

1335
00:58:14,433 --> 00:58:15,430
or a psychiatrist or something to...

1336
00:58:15,431 --> 00:58:17,489
- Don't you know they send everybody here to J Street?

1337
00:58:17,490 --> 00:58:19,879
- I know, but you don't see no psychiatrist

1338
00:58:19,880 --> 00:58:21,293
at 330 J Street, I been there.

1339
00:58:21,294 --> 00:58:23,979
- I ain't no psychiatrist and I can tell.

1340
00:58:23,980 --> 00:58:24,813
- Right.

1341
00:58:24,814 --> 00:58:26,959
- You ain't no psychiatrist and you can tell.

1342
00:58:26,960 --> 00:58:28,349
So you know he can tell.

1343
00:58:28,350 --> 00:58:29,659
- They don't give you the complete test,

1344
00:58:29,660 --> 00:58:31,329
they don't give everybody the complete medical

1345
00:58:31,330 --> 00:58:32,969
over on 330 J Street.

1346
00:58:32,970 --> 00:58:35,345
- Two and two ain't 22, come on.

1347
00:58:35,346 --> 00:58:36,841
- Right, but look.

1348
00:58:38,750 --> 00:58:39,999
- That's what I was telling her,

1349
00:58:40,000 --> 00:58:42,421
ain't no need in arguing with him.

1350
00:58:42,422 --> 00:58:43,653
- Get put out on the street.

1351
00:58:43,654 --> 00:58:45,059
- No you're not gonna get put out on the street.

1352
00:58:45,060 --> 00:58:46,759
Come walk with me downstairs

1353
00:58:46,760 --> 00:58:48,359
and I'll talk to Miss Perry

1354
00:58:48,360 --> 00:58:50,509
and she'll try and find your record, okay?

1355
00:58:50,510 --> 00:58:52,959
- Listen, they got them procedures Valerie,

1356
00:58:52,960 --> 00:58:53,793
and you know...

1357
00:58:53,794 --> 00:58:56,789
- She gets upset, and I don't want her to, you know,

1358
00:58:56,790 --> 00:58:58,520
she had those like seizures.

1359
00:58:59,358 --> 00:59:02,859
- I know, I know.

1360
00:59:02,860 --> 00:59:05,117
- Valerie, Valerie, Valerie, look.

1361
00:59:05,118 --> 00:59:06,573
I'm gonna get my check.

1362
00:59:09,170 --> 00:59:12,168
- I think what she needs to do tomorrow is

1363
00:59:21,128 --> 00:59:23,579
- Of course they say that you can't have your own apartment

1364
00:59:23,580 --> 00:59:25,539
and all that bologna if you're under 21.

1365
00:59:25,540 --> 00:59:26,410
- Oh, that's bullshit.

1366
00:59:26,410 --> 00:59:27,243
I have my own.

1367
00:59:27,244 --> 00:59:28,345
- I know.

1368
00:59:28,346 --> 00:59:29,694
And I went to court.

1369
00:59:29,695 --> 00:59:30,551
So now it's...

1370
00:59:30,552 --> 00:59:31,674
- I got an apartment.

1371
00:59:31,675 --> 00:59:32,670
- But I'm not gonna see them unless the lawyer comes,

1372
00:59:32,671 --> 00:59:35,304
because then they just hassle you around and you know.

1373
00:59:35,305 --> 00:59:37,169
- They told me I had to get a lawyer

1374
00:59:37,170 --> 00:59:39,679
to get a buildings inspector down at my house.

1375
00:59:39,680 --> 00:59:40,513
- To get a what?

1376
00:59:40,514 --> 00:59:42,010
- To get a buildings inspector.

1377
00:59:42,011 --> 00:59:43,899
'Cause we got rats and the walls are falling down.

1378
00:59:43,900 --> 00:59:46,319
- And they're letting your baby live there?

1379
00:59:46,320 --> 00:59:48,469
They're supposed to come, no building inspector.

1380
00:59:48,470 --> 00:59:49,470
- I know.

1381
00:59:49,471 --> 00:59:52,169
- They're supposed to come, not no building inspector.

1382
00:59:52,170 --> 00:59:54,309
- I came here with about five apartments already

1383
00:59:54,310 --> 00:59:56,229
and they refused them all.

1384
00:59:56,230 --> 00:59:57,243
- Yeah?

1385
00:59:57,244 --> 00:59:59,079
How much were the rents?

1386
00:59:59,080 --> 01:00:01,969
- One was $135 and one was $160.

1387
01:00:01,970 --> 01:00:04,480
Now I got one for $90, they can't refuse me now.

1388
01:00:07,810 --> 01:00:09,559
- My son is only five months old

1389
01:00:09,560 --> 01:00:11,589
and you know, my mother's real sick,

1390
01:00:11,590 --> 01:00:13,429
you know, asthmatic and stuff like that,

1391
01:00:13,430 --> 01:00:14,619
my father's had heart attacks,

1392
01:00:14,620 --> 01:00:15,909
we don't get along anyway, you know,

1393
01:00:15,910 --> 01:00:18,809
'cause he's mad 'cause I'm not married and I had the kid.

1394
01:00:18,810 --> 01:00:20,279
So now I have my own apartment

1395
01:00:20,280 --> 01:00:21,666
they tell me you can't have it.

1396
01:00:21,667 --> 01:00:23,660
When I was pregnant I came here,

1397
01:00:24,510 --> 01:00:26,909
I was five months pregnant and they made me come in

1398
01:00:26,910 --> 01:00:28,249
like six or seven times,

1399
01:00:28,250 --> 01:00:29,979
and they tell me okay, we're gonna give you,

1400
01:00:29,980 --> 01:00:31,929
open your own budget, open your own budget,

1401
01:00:31,930 --> 01:00:33,109
and they told me no, you know?

1402
01:00:33,110 --> 01:00:35,049
And I didn't even have car fare to come or anything.

1403
01:00:35,050 --> 01:00:36,449
This place gives you a big around, they're full of shit.

1404
01:00:36,450 --> 01:00:37,949
- You know what you should do is get your parents

1405
01:00:37,950 --> 01:00:38,910
to write you a letter.

1406
01:00:38,911 --> 01:00:41,449
- I got it notarized, I got notarized letter...

1407
01:00:41,450 --> 01:00:42,609
- Say that they won't support you.

1408
01:00:42,610 --> 01:00:44,429
- I know, but mother's, she's very sick,

1409
01:00:44,430 --> 01:00:46,639
and me and my son shouldn't be living in the house.

1410
01:00:46,640 --> 01:00:49,039
I got a notarized letter from my father

1411
01:00:49,040 --> 01:00:50,499
that he doesn't want me in the house.

1412
01:00:50,500 --> 01:00:51,699
That's how they are.

1413
01:00:51,700 --> 01:00:54,559
Usually they put the baby in your mother's custody

1414
01:00:54,560 --> 01:00:57,622
or something, but they put it in my custody, you know?

1415
01:00:57,623 --> 01:01:01,219
But I'm on program and they're pretty good.

1416
01:01:01,220 --> 01:01:05,589
Private programs aren't as good as city program, you know?

1417
01:01:05,590 --> 01:01:06,998
It's much better.

1418
01:01:08,231 --> 01:01:09,064
- Take my kid.

1419
01:01:09,065 --> 01:01:11,939
Now welfare, I have to have a letter from my shrink

1420
01:01:11,940 --> 01:01:14,539
saying that I'm mentally stable now,

1421
01:01:14,540 --> 01:01:17,240
'cause I got off on mental disability two years ago,

1422
01:01:18,126 --> 01:01:20,460
and they want to know whether I'm stable or not

1423
01:01:20,461 --> 01:01:21,802
enough to have a kid.

1424
01:01:21,803 --> 01:01:22,942
So I talked to my shrink and he says

1425
01:01:22,943 --> 01:01:24,533
well what do you want me to tell them?

1426
01:01:25,464 --> 01:01:28,149
I said tell them I'm not crazy no more.

1427
01:01:28,150 --> 01:01:30,879
So I got this shrink, you know.

1428
01:01:30,880 --> 01:01:33,299
- Yeah, because they do try, you know.

1429
01:01:33,300 --> 01:01:36,189
That's less money for them to be giving you, you know,

1430
01:01:36,190 --> 01:01:37,589
they take the baby away.

1431
01:01:37,590 --> 01:01:39,319
- Yeah right, they took her off my budget

1432
01:01:39,320 --> 01:01:41,670
just 'cause she was in the hospital for a week.

1433
01:01:43,150 --> 01:01:45,293
So now I have to get her back.

1434
01:01:45,294 --> 01:01:47,209
If I get this place I could get her back on before the 7th

1435
01:01:47,210 --> 01:01:48,578
so I have a little money.

1436
01:02:03,438 --> 01:02:05,479
- There's no way it can be reopened.

1437
01:02:05,480 --> 01:02:07,799
State law provides that if it's closed for more than...

1438
01:02:07,800 --> 01:02:08,999
- Aww man, you're giving me technicality,

1439
01:02:09,000 --> 01:02:11,189
I'm telling you about a condition, man,

1440
01:02:11,190 --> 01:02:14,539
I might be not eating or have no place to stay,

1441
01:02:14,540 --> 01:02:16,949
and you're telling me about technicalities.

1442
01:02:16,950 --> 01:02:18,121
Man, what are you telling me?

1443
01:02:19,400 --> 01:02:20,739
Now what did you give me a check for

1444
01:02:20,740 --> 01:02:22,713
when I came down here last time for?

1445
01:02:22,714 --> 01:02:23,547
- I've never given you a check.

1446
01:02:23,547 --> 01:02:24,547
- I'm talking about...

1447
01:02:25,964 --> 01:02:28,449
You're that technical, that you know,

1448
01:02:28,450 --> 01:02:30,299
you understand what I'm saying when I say "you,"

1449
01:02:30,300 --> 01:02:31,479
I'm not speaking about you, you know?

1450
01:02:31,480 --> 01:02:33,340
- Let me say something.

1451
01:02:33,341 --> 01:02:34,439
Your case was open the last time you came in the center

1452
01:02:34,440 --> 01:02:35,320
and that was three months ago.

1453
01:02:35,321 --> 01:02:37,239
- How could it be open when I got a notification

1454
01:02:37,240 --> 01:02:38,699
stating that the case was closed?

1455
01:02:38,700 --> 01:02:40,009
What are you telling me, you're telling me something...

1456
01:02:40,010 --> 01:02:41,373
- I'm telling you

1457
01:02:41,374 --> 01:02:42,250
that the last time you were here,

1458
01:02:42,250 --> 01:02:43,220
wait a minute now.

1459
01:02:43,221 --> 01:02:44,339
- What do you mean, wait a minute?

1460
01:02:44,340 --> 01:02:45,330
Don't tell me to wait a minute.

1461
01:02:45,331 --> 01:02:46,586
- I'm telling you

1462
01:02:46,587 --> 01:02:48,519
the last time you were here on the eighth of November,

1463
01:02:48,520 --> 01:02:51,299
your case was open, which is why you got a check then.

1464
01:02:51,300 --> 01:02:52,133
- Well all right then.

1465
01:02:52,134 --> 01:02:53,689
I'm telling you I got no official notice

1466
01:02:53,690 --> 01:02:57,289
that would even indicate that I should come down here.

1467
01:02:57,290 --> 01:02:59,439
Well who do I ask for a fair hearing?

1468
01:02:59,440 --> 01:03:00,789
- I need five operations.

1469
01:03:00,790 --> 01:03:03,299
They have my records there that I need these operations.

1470
01:03:03,300 --> 01:03:04,869
From my doctor, from their doctor.

1471
01:03:04,870 --> 01:03:06,869
I have a brace now, orthopedic brace,

1472
01:03:06,870 --> 01:03:07,870
I can hardly walk.

1473
01:03:09,320 --> 01:03:11,249
Yet I have to come down here and fight for my check,

1474
01:03:11,250 --> 01:03:13,759
and some mornings I can't get up.

1475
01:03:13,760 --> 01:03:14,760
Out of bed.

1476
01:03:15,934 --> 01:03:17,459
And my doctor's mad that I just, you know,

1477
01:03:17,460 --> 01:03:19,060
signed my way into the hospital.

1478
01:03:20,342 --> 01:03:22,292
But where would I live when I come out?

1479
01:03:27,331 --> 01:03:30,190
I have a tumor on my back, I need a left ear operation,

1480
01:03:31,218 --> 01:03:32,051
I have hernias.

1481
01:03:32,052 --> 01:03:33,452
They have it all down in my record.

1482
01:03:34,760 --> 01:03:37,919
I was at social security office yesterday,

1483
01:03:37,920 --> 01:03:40,119
off 46th Street, the annex.

1484
01:03:40,120 --> 01:03:41,449
And they told me to come down here

1485
01:03:41,450 --> 01:03:42,939
and I would get a check here.

1486
01:03:42,940 --> 01:03:45,429
Now these people say I'm supposed to get a check...

1487
01:03:45,430 --> 01:03:46,549
- That's what happened to me.

1488
01:03:46,550 --> 01:03:49,169
The social security sends you to the welfare

1489
01:03:49,170 --> 01:03:51,329
and they says the welfare will give you a check,

1490
01:03:51,330 --> 01:03:54,209
and the welfare says that the social security's

1491
01:03:54,210 --> 01:03:57,639
supposed to give you a check, and nobody gives you a check.

1492
01:03:57,640 --> 01:03:59,349
- I have no rent money or food money,

1493
01:03:59,350 --> 01:04:00,933
and I have no car fare money.

1494
01:04:00,934 --> 01:04:03,609
- I don't even have, you have to sneak under the trains

1495
01:04:03,610 --> 01:04:05,559
to get in the trains to go see the offices.

1496
01:04:05,560 --> 01:04:07,300
- That's how I came here.

1497
01:04:07,301 --> 01:04:08,298
By sneaking on the train.

1498
01:04:08,298 --> 01:04:09,131
- To get down to the offices,

1499
01:04:09,132 --> 01:04:11,573
and once you're in the office you wait around for hours,

1500
01:04:11,574 --> 01:04:13,539
and they don't care.

1501
01:04:13,540 --> 01:04:17,179
People got lost and the man at the social security

1502
01:04:17,180 --> 01:04:20,519
said that he's took care of two and a half million people

1503
01:04:20,520 --> 01:04:22,869
he had to take care of, so if a couple of thousand

1504
01:04:22,870 --> 01:04:25,610
don't get their check, he's doing a very good job.

1505
01:04:33,630 --> 01:04:36,629
- They told them to bring in a letter from social security

1506
01:04:36,630 --> 01:04:39,716
and they told them to bring, yeah, yes.

1507
01:04:39,717 --> 01:04:42,409
Well what did they tell you today?

1508
01:04:42,410 --> 01:04:44,489
- They told us to come back tomorrow.

1509
01:04:44,490 --> 01:04:46,690
- They told them to come back tomorrow.

1510
01:04:46,917 --> 01:04:48,264
- Fill out an application and come back tomorrow.

1511
01:04:48,265 --> 01:04:49,839
- Fill out the application and come back tomorrow.

1512
01:04:49,840 --> 01:04:51,959
Oh, you were given an appointment for tomorrow.

1513
01:04:51,960 --> 01:04:52,793
Listen...

1514
01:04:52,794 --> 01:04:53,949
- But then we don't have money for today.

1515
01:04:53,950 --> 01:04:56,050
- But she doesn't have no money for today.

1516
01:04:57,263 --> 01:05:00,367
And the social workers are you know, real...

1517
01:05:00,368 --> 01:05:04,190
He says that he can't help her out and it's impossible.

1518
01:05:05,763 --> 01:05:07,839
Do you have someplace to stay tonight?

1519
01:05:07,840 --> 01:05:09,064
- Yeah she has...

1520
01:05:10,917 --> 01:05:14,301
Yeah, she has an apartment.

1521
01:05:14,302 --> 01:05:16,499
- The only thing they can do,

1522
01:05:16,500 --> 01:05:18,249
we'll give you an appointment for tomorrow.

1523
01:05:18,250 --> 01:05:19,349
If you can't...

1524
01:05:19,350 --> 01:05:21,189
If they refuse to help her tomorrow

1525
01:05:21,190 --> 01:05:22,939
you come up and I'll go downstairs with you, okay?

1526
01:05:22,940 --> 01:05:24,528
- But I want some money for today so she can...

1527
01:05:24,529 --> 01:05:25,969
- They won't be able to give you money today.

1528
01:05:25,970 --> 01:05:28,289
There's no way they can give you...

1529
01:05:28,290 --> 01:05:29,359
She got a place to live

1530
01:05:29,360 --> 01:05:30,789
and it's not an emergency, they claim.

1531
01:05:30,790 --> 01:05:32,360
- But she don't have nothing to eat.

1532
01:05:33,250 --> 01:05:35,417
- Nothing we can do about it.

1533
01:05:35,418 --> 01:05:39,325
They claim that there's no food money in the house,

1534
01:05:39,326 --> 01:05:41,224
you know?

1535
01:05:45,721 --> 01:05:46,554
- Okay.

1536
01:05:46,555 --> 01:05:47,614
- Look.

1537
01:05:47,615 --> 01:05:49,528
That's all she has.

1538
01:05:49,529 --> 01:05:51,801
- Make the appointment.

1539
01:05:54,237 --> 01:05:56,317
Make the appointment and come back tomorrow morning,

1540
01:05:57,139 --> 01:05:58,137
as they requested.

1541
01:05:58,138 --> 01:05:59,880
And if she runs into a snafu tomorrow,

1542
01:05:59,881 --> 01:06:03,819
if she runs into some sort of problem tomorrow,

1543
01:06:03,820 --> 01:06:05,969
you and her come upstairs and see me, okay?

1544
01:06:05,970 --> 01:06:07,569
- Well what is she gonna do for today?

1545
01:06:07,570 --> 01:06:09,159
That's what I want to know.

1546
01:06:09,160 --> 01:06:09,993
She's a real person.

1547
01:06:09,994 --> 01:06:11,039
- Listen, there's nothing...

1548
01:06:11,040 --> 01:06:13,206
They won't give her any money today.

1549
01:06:13,207 --> 01:06:14,509
Okay?

1550
01:06:14,510 --> 01:06:16,759
- Not even a few dollars so she can eat?

1551
01:06:16,760 --> 01:06:18,239
- Nothing, nothing at all.

1552
01:06:18,240 --> 01:06:22,132
Better come back tomorrow morning.

1553
01:06:29,474 --> 01:06:31,619
- She says you told her she was gonna check from them.

1554
01:06:31,620 --> 01:06:33,239
- I just talked to the applications,

1555
01:06:33,240 --> 01:06:35,011
the head supervisor there,

1556
01:06:35,012 --> 01:06:36,299
and they won't be able to help you.

1557
01:06:36,300 --> 01:06:37,969
- Well what's she gonna do, starve?

1558
01:06:37,970 --> 01:06:39,926
- I didn't say you should starve,

1559
01:06:39,927 --> 01:06:41,079
did I say you should starve?

1560
01:06:41,080 --> 01:06:42,078
- Well what is she gonna do?

1561
01:06:42,078 --> 01:06:43,050
She don't have no money.

1562
01:06:43,051 --> 01:06:45,759
- You represent a poverty agency or what?

1563
01:06:45,760 --> 01:06:47,290
- No, a community center.

1564
01:06:49,290 --> 01:06:52,049
Aldridge Community Center.

1565
01:06:52,050 --> 01:06:52,883
But she needs...

1566
01:06:52,884 --> 01:06:54,619
- She didn't live in a vacuum all these years,

1567
01:06:54,620 --> 01:06:57,629
she knows the grocery men and she knows different people,

1568
01:06:57,630 --> 01:06:59,080
she can get credit for a day.

1569
01:07:00,520 --> 01:07:02,376
She didn't live in a vacuum,

1570
01:07:02,377 --> 01:07:04,119
all these years she's lived in New York,

1571
01:07:04,120 --> 01:07:05,020
she worked, she knows people, she knows grocery men,

1572
01:07:05,021 --> 01:07:07,369
she knows neighbors, she has some sort of relatives,

1573
01:07:07,370 --> 01:07:08,203
she knows people...

1574
01:07:08,204 --> 01:07:09,809
- She's never taken welfare before,

1575
01:07:09,810 --> 01:07:12,229
and now that she comes for help, you know,

1576
01:07:12,230 --> 01:07:14,028
nobody wants to help her.

1577
01:07:14,029 --> 01:07:15,719
If you want to tell me if she would be here every time

1578
01:07:15,720 --> 01:07:17,699
for welfare, then I could understand what you're saying.

1579
01:07:17,700 --> 01:07:19,757
- Nobody said they're not gonna help her,

1580
01:07:19,758 --> 01:07:20,591
they're gonna help her.

1581
01:07:20,592 --> 01:07:22,680
She brought back the requirements,

1582
01:07:23,570 --> 01:07:24,430
as she was told to do.

1583
01:07:24,431 --> 01:07:25,739
- And she doesn't get no help,

1584
01:07:25,740 --> 01:07:26,929
and she brought the requirements.

1585
01:07:26,930 --> 01:07:29,059
- They say they won't be able to see her till tomorrow,

1586
01:07:29,060 --> 01:07:30,497
that's it.

1587
01:07:30,498 --> 01:07:31,331
There's nothing more I can do.

1588
01:07:31,332 --> 01:07:33,650
I'd like to help you out, but that's all I can do.

1589
01:07:36,610 --> 01:07:39,169
Tomorrow I'll personally go down with you, tomorrow.

1590
01:07:39,170 --> 01:07:41,123
If she runs into any problems.

1591
01:07:41,124 --> 01:07:42,629
Okay?

1592
01:07:42,630 --> 01:07:43,878
- Why not today?

1593
01:07:43,879 --> 01:07:45,629
It's gonna be the same thing today as tomorrow.

1594
01:07:45,630 --> 01:07:47,192
- They won't see her till tomorrow.

1595
01:07:47,193 --> 01:07:48,715
- She signs an application today...

1596
01:07:48,716 --> 01:07:50,140
- I didn't see the appointment,

1597
01:07:50,141 --> 01:07:51,821
originally I had not seen the appointment,

1598
01:07:51,997 --> 01:07:53,537
when you first came up,

1599
01:07:53,538 --> 01:07:55,276
I had not seen the appointment for tomorrow.

1600
01:07:55,277 --> 01:07:56,998
- So what's so big about an appointment

1601
01:07:56,999 --> 01:07:57,832
when you could do it today?

1602
01:07:57,833 --> 01:07:59,158
She's willing to stay here.

1603
01:07:59,159 --> 01:08:00,460
- Did you see how many people

1604
01:08:00,461 --> 01:08:01,458
were downstairs?

1605
01:08:01,458 --> 01:08:02,291
- There's an emergency case, right?

1606
01:08:02,291 --> 01:08:03,124
- Every case is an emergency.

1607
01:08:03,125 --> 01:08:04,460
- Do you eat?

1608
01:08:04,461 --> 01:08:05,458
- Every case is...

1609
01:08:05,459 --> 01:08:06,460
- You eat, right?

1610
01:08:06,461 --> 01:08:07,458
- Do you eat?

1611
01:08:07,459 --> 01:08:08,460
- Yes.

1612
01:08:08,461 --> 01:08:09,458
- Do you eat?

1613
01:08:09,459 --> 01:08:10,460
- Yes.

1614
01:08:10,461 --> 01:08:11,458
- Okay, I eat also.

1615
01:08:11,459 --> 01:08:12,595
That's very good, I'm proud of you.

1616
01:08:12,596 --> 01:08:14,212
- She's not in good health.

1617
01:08:14,213 --> 01:08:15,046
- I'm proud of you.

1618
01:08:15,046 --> 01:08:15,879
- She's had an operation, right?

1619
01:08:15,880 --> 01:08:17,699
Well what is she supposed to do?

1620
01:08:17,700 --> 01:08:18,938
- All I can do.

1621
01:08:18,939 --> 01:08:22,112
There's nothing more we can do about it.

1622
01:08:22,113 --> 01:08:24,550
Nothing more we can do.

1623
01:10:41,591 --> 01:10:42,591
- 19C.

1624
01:10:52,335 --> 01:10:54,835
- Made more phone calls trying to get a job,

1625
01:10:54,836 --> 01:10:56,094
no one's given me a job.

1626
01:10:56,095 --> 01:10:57,694
I'll get a job though.

1627
01:10:58,759 --> 01:10:59,592
- Can you cook?

1628
01:10:59,592 --> 01:11:00,425
- Cook?

1629
01:11:00,425 --> 01:11:01,258
Yeah, I can cook.

1630
01:11:01,258 --> 01:11:02,091
Anything.

1631
01:11:02,091 --> 01:11:02,924
- Were you ever on a ship?

1632
01:11:02,925 --> 01:11:04,299
- Yeah, small ships, small boats.

1633
01:11:04,300 --> 01:11:05,429
Yeah, in fact I was on...

1634
01:11:05,430 --> 01:11:07,899
The last trip I was on was a French aircraft carrier.

1635
01:11:07,900 --> 01:11:08,864
- Oh yeah?

1636
01:11:08,865 --> 01:11:09,865
- Yeah.

1637
01:11:09,866 --> 01:11:11,102
- What were you doing there, cooking?

1638
01:11:11,103 --> 01:11:12,703
- I was just wandering around, visiting.

1639
01:11:13,641 --> 01:11:15,819
- You been in Europe and Asia?

1640
01:11:15,820 --> 01:11:17,363
- Never been in Asia.

1641
01:11:17,364 --> 01:11:19,604
- You been out of the country?

1642
01:11:19,605 --> 01:11:20,499
- Yeah.

1643
01:11:20,500 --> 01:11:21,636
- Where?

1644
01:11:21,637 --> 01:11:22,479
- Canada.

1645
01:11:22,479 --> 01:11:23,312
- Oh.

1646
01:11:23,312 --> 01:11:24,145
It's the only place I haven't been.

1647
01:11:24,145 --> 01:11:25,145
- Montreal, Toronto.

1648
01:11:28,737 --> 01:11:29,570
- You are?

1649
01:11:29,570 --> 01:11:30,464
That's good.

1650
01:11:30,465 --> 01:11:32,644
- Well I'm worth a fortune myself...

1651
01:11:38,157 --> 01:11:39,444
$3000.

1652
01:11:39,445 --> 01:11:40,317
- $3000?

1653
01:11:40,318 --> 01:11:44,026
- And $2500 from a month, welfare $500 month or so.

1654
01:11:44,027 --> 01:11:45,949
- Doing pretty good.

1655
01:11:45,950 --> 01:11:48,783
I haven't worked for since October.

1656
01:11:51,521 --> 01:11:55,103
- My brother-in-law, my future brother-in-law Nelson

1657
01:12:00,250 --> 01:12:01,459
Broke.

1658
01:12:01,460 --> 01:12:02,293
- Broke?

1659
01:12:02,293 --> 01:12:03,293
I'm not a success.

1660
01:12:04,910 --> 01:12:07,439
- You'll get money, you'll get your money.

1661
01:12:07,440 --> 01:12:08,800
- I don't even have a credit card.

1662
01:12:10,623 --> 01:12:11,823
Don't even have a credit card.

1663
01:12:21,830 --> 01:12:23,299
- Did you ever do any fighting?

1664
01:12:23,300 --> 01:12:24,709
- No.

1665
01:12:24,710 --> 01:12:26,029
I'm a peaceful man.

1666
01:12:26,030 --> 01:12:27,299
- Ever had any fights?

1667
01:12:27,300 --> 01:12:28,879
- Not in a long time.

1668
01:12:28,880 --> 01:12:30,280
My wife hit me in the head I think.

1669
01:12:31,057 --> 01:12:32,219
- You still mad?

1670
01:12:32,220 --> 01:12:33,276
- Yeah.

1671
01:12:36,384 --> 01:12:38,159
- We'll go down and find out.

1672
01:12:38,160 --> 01:12:39,435
I can get shelter.

1673
01:12:39,436 --> 01:12:40,519
Get a worker.

1674
01:12:41,630 --> 01:12:42,930
And possibly I can,

1675
01:12:45,103 --> 01:12:46,103
and then

1676
01:12:49,595 --> 01:12:50,896
I'll see if I can.

1677
01:12:50,897 --> 01:12:52,416
- What did you say, that she said you have to have

1678
01:12:52,417 --> 01:12:53,499
a physical and a psychiatric exam?

1679
01:12:53,500 --> 01:12:55,049
- No no no no.

1680
01:12:55,050 --> 01:12:56,050
You have a physical

1681
01:12:58,095 --> 01:13:00,359
on like the first,

1682
01:13:00,360 --> 01:13:01,499
then you wait a day,

1683
01:13:01,500 --> 01:13:03,000
then you go back on the third.

1684
01:13:03,974 --> 01:13:05,973
Apparently they do blood tests and things like that.

1685
01:13:05,974 --> 01:13:07,433
- You come back here two days later.

1686
01:13:07,434 --> 01:13:08,853
- You come back here on the fourth.

1687
01:13:10,715 --> 01:13:14,736
Assuming the fourth is a day they're open.

1688
01:13:14,737 --> 01:13:16,052
- Not a weekend or something, yeah.

1689
01:13:16,053 --> 01:13:17,333
- It's probably another weekend.

1690
01:13:19,437 --> 01:13:23,173
By then I'll be very hungry.

1691
01:13:24,820 --> 01:13:26,489
- Oh, I'm sure you will have.

1692
01:13:26,490 --> 01:13:29,669
It's procedure, she told me.

1693
01:13:29,670 --> 01:13:31,299
- I filled out all these papers.

1694
01:13:31,300 --> 01:13:35,210
I could show you VA, this, that.

1695
01:13:41,070 --> 01:13:42,620
We're having a black.

1696
01:13:44,100 --> 01:13:45,100
It's...

1697
01:13:47,334 --> 01:13:48,829
It's a catastrophe

1698
01:13:48,830 --> 01:13:51,260
for any poor slob seeking assistance.

1699
01:13:53,700 --> 01:13:54,760
And I got stuff here.

1700
01:13:58,930 --> 01:13:59,930
I can show you

1701
01:14:01,309 --> 01:14:02,660
so much stuff here.

1702
01:14:05,580 --> 01:14:08,280
This, that, and that.

1703
01:14:09,320 --> 01:14:10,549
All these are different things.

1704
01:14:10,550 --> 01:14:15,050
All these are places I've been.

1705
01:14:16,540 --> 01:14:20,359
Show you names, rent numbers here,

1706
01:14:20,360 --> 01:14:23,809
names, all these centers, every one of them.

1707
01:14:25,220 --> 01:14:27,670
I'm a veteran, they say I'm not a Korean veteran,

1708
01:14:29,080 --> 01:14:32,309
because I went on 9/17/53.

1709
01:14:34,490 --> 01:14:37,509
And officially according to the VA,

1710
01:14:37,510 --> 01:14:40,990
it ain't over till 1/55.

1711
01:14:42,620 --> 01:14:44,579
That I'm positive of,

1712
01:14:44,580 --> 01:14:46,549
because I would've had a wartime disability,

1713
01:14:46,550 --> 01:14:47,900
they told me it was before.

1714
01:14:50,657 --> 01:14:52,357
No I was, I went in late.

1715
01:14:52,358 --> 01:14:53,191
- I was in '52.

1716
01:14:53,191 --> 01:14:54,024
- I was in the Navy before that.

1717
01:14:54,025 --> 01:14:56,235
- Yeah, well I was in the Army at that time.

1718
01:14:58,215 --> 01:14:59,048
It just doesn't make a damn difference.

1719
01:14:59,049 --> 01:15:00,977
- You can get VA assistance.

1720
01:15:02,621 --> 01:15:03,921
You can get VA assistance.

1721
01:15:05,034 --> 01:15:08,059
Did you go up to that place, 529 Eighth Avenue?

1722
01:15:12,520 --> 01:15:14,010
Something's awful funny here.

1723
01:15:15,460 --> 01:15:17,010
Something doesn't meet the eye.

1724
01:15:18,220 --> 01:15:20,200
Look at all these places I've been to.

1725
01:15:21,840 --> 01:15:23,739
No car fare, nothing.

1726
01:15:23,740 --> 01:15:25,369
I don't eat.

1727
01:15:25,370 --> 01:15:26,490
Walk the streets.

1728
01:15:28,690 --> 01:15:30,740
I got medical proof of my sickness.

1729
01:15:32,690 --> 01:15:33,790
I'll have it tomorrow.

1730
01:15:34,630 --> 01:15:36,199
If this...

1731
01:15:36,200 --> 01:15:38,229
I'll have the money on Tuesday, rather.

1732
01:15:38,230 --> 01:15:40,159
I gotta mail these letters out.

1733
01:15:40,160 --> 01:15:41,160
I ain't got stamps.

1734
01:15:43,540 --> 01:15:46,990
I been here four times this week, four times.

1735
01:15:48,481 --> 01:15:50,139
And they keep sending me out,

1736
01:15:50,140 --> 01:15:53,209
and every place I go keeps sending me back here.

1737
01:15:53,210 --> 01:15:55,369
Now you figure that one out.

1738
01:15:55,370 --> 01:15:56,790
Here I was all day one day.

1739
01:16:01,240 --> 01:16:02,940
Look at these forms they fill out.

1740
01:16:05,276 --> 01:16:07,599
A whole rigamarole of forms.

1741
01:16:07,600 --> 01:16:09,250
Papers, papers, papers.

1742
01:16:11,885 --> 01:16:12,930
I got more.

1743
01:16:18,700 --> 01:16:19,700
There's one.

1744
01:16:24,340 --> 01:16:25,340
There's another one.

1745
01:16:27,280 --> 01:16:29,080
There's another one and another one.

1746
01:16:54,260 --> 01:16:57,230
Here's my hospital card from the VA, I'm a veteran.

1747
01:17:00,689 --> 01:17:01,789
And a driver's permit.

1748
01:17:06,100 --> 01:17:07,620
I been to 20, 30 places.

1749
01:17:16,990 --> 01:17:20,139
- Hi David, you're not gonna believe what's happening dear.

1750
01:17:20,140 --> 01:17:22,539
Tuesday morning I came over to the Waverly center.

1751
01:17:22,540 --> 01:17:25,699
Waverly said bring back a passport,

1752
01:17:25,700 --> 01:17:27,719
bring a notarization for your father

1753
01:17:27,720 --> 01:17:29,789
that he's not willing to support you anymore,

1754
01:17:29,790 --> 01:17:31,609
fill out this application,

1755
01:17:31,610 --> 01:17:33,229
bring back letters from your doctors

1756
01:17:33,230 --> 01:17:34,829
for when you were dismissed, when you entered,

1757
01:17:34,830 --> 01:17:36,379
all this crap.

1758
01:17:36,380 --> 01:17:40,119
And they gave me appointment for Thursday morning.

1759
01:17:40,120 --> 01:17:42,839
Oh and also a notarized letter from my roommate

1760
01:17:42,840 --> 01:17:45,769
that she was no longer gonna put up with me after Friday.

1761
01:17:45,770 --> 01:17:46,730
Well I have a letter from her,

1762
01:17:46,731 --> 01:17:49,659
but the poor kid does not have the time to notarize it.

1763
01:17:49,660 --> 01:17:53,489
So I came back, I really forgot the appointment on Thursday

1764
01:17:53,490 --> 01:17:55,989
because I've been depressed and kind of upset,

1765
01:17:55,990 --> 01:17:59,109
I come back today, I went to talk to the worker,

1766
01:17:59,110 --> 01:18:02,689
she would not read the letter from the department of...

1767
01:18:02,690 --> 01:18:05,058
Oh yesterday I went down to the World Trade Center

1768
01:18:05,059 --> 01:18:07,854
department of social whatever it is from the state, yeah.

1769
01:18:07,855 --> 01:18:10,289
Well, she would not read that letter,

1770
01:18:10,290 --> 01:18:12,839
nor would she read the letters from the two doctors,

1771
01:18:12,840 --> 01:18:15,659
she said I'll give you an appointment for Monday.

1772
01:18:15,660 --> 01:18:18,479
I said I'm sorry, I have $1 to my name

1773
01:18:18,480 --> 01:18:20,909
and I have not got a place to sleep this weekend.

1774
01:18:20,910 --> 01:18:22,349
She said sorry, all I can do

1775
01:18:22,350 --> 01:18:24,120
is give you an appointment for Monday.

1776
01:18:25,374 --> 01:18:26,897
I said you got to be kidding.

1777
01:18:26,898 --> 01:18:29,159
I am out of an institute for manic depression,

1778
01:18:29,160 --> 01:18:30,999
and I am depressed lady.

1779
01:18:31,000 --> 01:18:32,239
What do I do?

1780
01:18:32,240 --> 01:18:33,879
Come back for your appointment on Monday.

1781
01:18:33,880 --> 01:18:34,910
Do you believe that?

1782
01:18:37,860 --> 01:18:39,030
This coming Monday.

1783
01:18:41,170 --> 01:18:43,009
She doesn't really care.

1784
01:18:43,010 --> 01:18:44,010
None of them care.

1785
01:18:46,010 --> 01:18:47,389
I told her I have no friends.

1786
01:18:47,390 --> 01:18:48,829
I told her I have no place to go.

1787
01:18:48,830 --> 01:18:52,059
I told her I have $1, that I walked up from Bleaker Street.

1788
01:18:53,390 --> 01:18:54,919
I have a notarized letter from a hospital,

1789
01:18:54,920 --> 01:18:57,249
I have a notarized letter from everybody.

1790
01:18:57,250 --> 01:18:59,380
I have every goddamn thing they asked for.

1791
01:19:00,510 --> 01:19:02,110
And they said all we can do,

1792
01:19:03,105 --> 01:19:04,465
I've spoken to the office manager,

1793
01:19:05,276 --> 01:19:07,476
is you can come back Monday morning for an appointment.

1794
01:19:07,821 --> 01:19:10,249
I said lady, what do I do for the weekend?

1795
01:19:10,250 --> 01:19:12,808
I am sick, I was discharged Monday

1796
01:19:12,809 --> 01:19:15,903
from a psychiatric institute for manic depression.

1797
01:19:15,904 --> 01:19:17,749
This is friendly New York for you

1798
01:19:17,750 --> 01:19:20,100
in the New York welfare department.

1799
01:19:21,155 --> 01:19:22,629
Maybe she thinks I should sleep

1800
01:19:22,630 --> 01:19:24,330
at Port Authority for the weekend.

1801
01:19:25,730 --> 01:19:27,393
Yeah, that's what they...

1802
01:19:27,394 --> 01:19:29,279
Oh, she first, even down at the state department

1803
01:19:29,280 --> 01:19:32,049
or whatever it is, she said women's shelter,

1804
01:19:32,050 --> 01:19:33,769
she said but you really couldn't go there,

1805
01:19:33,770 --> 01:19:35,429
there's a lot of sickies there.

1806
01:19:35,430 --> 01:19:37,769
A lot of dikes, a lot of really, you know,

1807
01:19:37,770 --> 01:19:39,269
bad news people.

1808
01:19:39,270 --> 01:19:41,739
I said really lady, I would freak out.

1809
01:19:41,740 --> 01:19:43,540
There is no way I could handle that.

1810
01:19:44,460 --> 01:19:45,739
And she said well I'm sorry,

1811
01:19:45,740 --> 01:19:48,739
it takes at least maximum 45 days

1812
01:19:48,740 --> 01:19:50,729
to get approved for welfare.

1813
01:19:50,730 --> 01:19:52,065
I said...

1814
01:19:52,066 --> 01:19:53,809
And they wouldn't touch me in the hospital.

1815
01:19:54,990 --> 01:19:56,630
So what the hell do they expect me to do?

1816
01:19:57,540 --> 01:19:58,540
What?

1817
01:19:59,233 --> 01:20:00,260
Yeah?

1818
01:20:02,130 --> 01:20:03,230
That's not a bad idea.

1819
01:20:05,455 --> 01:20:07,640
Well I'm writing a letter to the Village Voice.

1820
01:20:08,720 --> 01:20:09,990
Maybe I'll call him too.

1821
01:20:10,990 --> 01:20:12,709
Geraldo Rivera?

1822
01:20:12,710 --> 01:20:13,710
Okay.

1823
01:20:14,811 --> 01:20:15,811
Yeah.

1824
01:20:19,081 --> 01:20:21,410
I think he might be very interested in it.

1825
01:20:22,500 --> 01:20:24,650
- You're gonna see more hanging

1826
01:20:24,651 --> 01:20:25,654
than you ever saw in your life.

1827
01:20:25,655 --> 01:20:26,559
- Oh, I've seen a lot of hanging.

1828
01:20:26,560 --> 01:20:27,589
- Any hanging.

1829
01:20:27,590 --> 01:20:28,719
- Oh yes, man.

1830
01:20:28,720 --> 01:20:31,159
Lost my brother at five years old, hmm.

1831
01:20:31,160 --> 01:20:32,379
- They'll hang.

1832
01:20:32,380 --> 01:20:34,359
They'll hang like crazy.

1833
01:20:34,360 --> 01:20:35,566
Crazy.

1834
01:20:35,567 --> 01:20:37,438
- What can I tell you?

1835
01:20:37,439 --> 01:20:38,311
What can I tell you?

1836
01:20:38,312 --> 01:20:39,450
- You can't tell me anything.

1837
01:20:39,451 --> 01:20:40,454
- There it is.

1838
01:20:40,455 --> 01:20:41,452
- There's no way to control it, man.

1839
01:20:41,453 --> 01:20:42,576
- Nobody controls anything.

1840
01:20:42,577 --> 01:20:44,419
- What are we talking about?

1841
01:20:44,420 --> 01:20:45,770
- We all act savages.

1842
01:20:46,851 --> 01:20:49,719
That's the way this country was founded.

1843
01:20:49,720 --> 01:20:50,553
- Savages.

1844
01:20:50,554 --> 01:20:52,035
- There it is.

1845
01:20:52,036 --> 01:20:53,118
- We're all savages.

1846
01:20:53,119 --> 01:20:54,449
- All of us, black, white, blue, green, purple,

1847
01:20:54,450 --> 01:20:55,282
all of us are savages.

1848
01:20:55,283 --> 01:20:59,319
- There's no way we can conduct ourselves as gentlemen

1849
01:20:59,320 --> 01:21:00,153
amongst ourselves?

1850
01:21:00,154 --> 01:21:01,369
- There is.

1851
01:21:01,370 --> 01:21:03,349
That can be done, but nobody wants to take time

1852
01:21:03,350 --> 01:21:05,058
or to sit down and find it.

1853
01:21:05,059 --> 01:21:05,900
- I do.

1854
01:21:05,900 --> 01:21:06,820
- You do?

1855
01:21:06,821 --> 01:21:07,870
By calling me nigger?

1856
01:21:09,070 --> 01:21:12,094
Telling me you're gonna shoot me with a 357 magnum?

1857
01:21:12,095 --> 01:21:15,599
- The next time three guys do this up against my head

1858
01:21:15,600 --> 01:21:16,433
I'm gonna shoot 'em.

1859
01:21:16,434 --> 01:21:18,789
- But you got a right against those three guys.

1860
01:21:18,790 --> 01:21:20,019
- You better believe it, baby.

1861
01:21:20,020 --> 01:21:20,950
- Those three.

1862
01:21:20,951 --> 01:21:22,259
Only those three.

1863
01:21:22,260 --> 01:21:24,359
You don't come here and threaten me.

1864
01:21:24,360 --> 01:21:25,949
I ain't never seen you before.

1865
01:21:25,950 --> 01:21:27,737
I ain't put my hands on you.

1866
01:21:27,738 --> 01:21:30,339
And you come in here and you threatening me.

1867
01:21:30,340 --> 01:21:34,379
- You black are about 10% of the population,

1868
01:21:34,380 --> 01:21:37,489
and you account for 63% of the crime.

1869
01:21:37,490 --> 01:21:38,789
- Well what can we tell you?

1870
01:21:38,790 --> 01:21:40,808
- Statistically you don't have to tell me anything.

1871
01:21:40,809 --> 01:21:42,355
- what you want me to say?

1872
01:21:42,356 --> 01:21:47,356
- How come 10% are worth 63% of the crime?

1873
01:21:47,410 --> 01:21:49,249
- So now what you're trying to say is

1874
01:21:49,250 --> 01:21:51,065
all of us are bad.

1875
01:21:51,066 --> 01:21:51,898
- No.

1876
01:21:51,899 --> 01:21:53,039
- Hmm?

1877
01:21:53,040 --> 01:21:53,873
- No.

1878
01:21:53,873 --> 01:21:54,790
No one is all bad.

1879
01:21:54,791 --> 01:21:57,152
- So this is what the whole thing is about...

1880
01:21:59,814 --> 01:22:01,772
- I'm giving you a statistic.

1881
01:22:01,773 --> 01:22:02,848
- Can I do that?

1882
01:22:02,849 --> 01:22:03,851
- What do you mean?

1883
01:22:03,852 --> 01:22:05,408
- Statistic don't mean anything to me.

1884
01:22:05,409 --> 01:22:06,731
Really.

1885
01:22:06,732 --> 01:22:08,767
'Cause there ain't a man out there on the street

1886
01:22:08,768 --> 01:22:09,959
I'm afraid of.

1887
01:22:09,960 --> 01:22:11,710
Nobody gonna take anything from me.

1888
01:22:13,680 --> 01:22:15,339
- Cain killed Abel.

1889
01:22:15,340 --> 01:22:17,519
- Yeah, but Abel wasn't looking.

1890
01:22:17,520 --> 01:22:18,731
- His brother.

1891
01:22:18,732 --> 01:22:19,565
That's right.

1892
01:22:19,565 --> 01:22:20,398
- I don't trust anyone.

1893
01:22:20,399 --> 01:22:21,728
- I assume they were white.

1894
01:22:21,729 --> 01:22:24,179
- Oh, you can assume what you want to.

1895
01:22:24,180 --> 01:22:25,013
- Whatever.

1896
01:22:25,014 --> 01:22:26,891
- You can assume what you want to.

1897
01:22:29,273 --> 01:22:30,770
- It's not a hangup about the black.

1898
01:22:32,016 --> 01:22:33,626
- I know those.

1899
01:22:33,627 --> 01:22:35,160
This I know.

1900
01:22:35,161 --> 01:22:37,609
- Why are the blacks "get whitey," huh?

1901
01:22:37,610 --> 01:22:38,470
Get whitey?

1902
01:22:38,471 --> 01:22:40,643
- So why was it before get nigger?

1903
01:22:40,644 --> 01:22:41,477
- Get whitey.

1904
01:22:41,478 --> 01:22:42,895
Get nigger?

1905
01:22:42,896 --> 01:22:44,401
- What goes around comes around.

1906
01:22:44,402 --> 01:22:45,695
- They didn't have to get nigger.

1907
01:22:45,696 --> 01:22:47,792
They could hang the niggers, they didn't have to get 'em.

1908
01:22:47,793 --> 01:22:48,626
- They could hang the niggers, just like...

1909
01:22:48,627 --> 01:22:50,439
That's your race, that's your race.

1910
01:22:50,440 --> 01:22:52,208
Hang a nigger any time you want to.

1911
01:22:52,209 --> 01:22:53,299
- Any time.

1912
01:22:53,300 --> 01:22:54,619
- Right after lunch, hang a nigger.

1913
01:22:54,620 --> 01:22:55,759
- As it should be.

1914
01:22:55,760 --> 01:22:57,979
Get outta town by sunset.

1915
01:22:57,980 --> 01:23:00,331
Your ass is black, get outta town.

1916
01:23:00,332 --> 01:23:01,165
- Yeah it is.

1917
01:23:01,166 --> 01:23:03,088
- Don't be here when the sun sets.

1918
01:23:03,089 --> 01:23:04,102
- Yeah right.

1919
01:23:04,103 --> 01:23:04,936
- That's Mississippi.

1920
01:23:04,936 --> 01:23:05,769
- That's all over.

1921
01:23:05,770 --> 01:23:07,089
- But what about my town?

1922
01:23:07,090 --> 01:23:08,199
- What is your town?

1923
01:23:08,200 --> 01:23:09,160
- New York.

1924
01:23:09,161 --> 01:23:10,448
We never did that.

1925
01:23:10,449 --> 01:23:11,451
- New York is my town too.

1926
01:23:11,452 --> 01:23:12,449
- We never did that.

1927
01:23:12,450 --> 01:23:13,451
- You never did what?

1928
01:23:13,452 --> 01:23:14,449
- We never talked.

1929
01:23:14,450 --> 01:23:15,459
- Huh?

1930
01:23:15,460 --> 01:23:17,448
- We never talked "get your ass outta here,

1931
01:23:17,449 --> 01:23:20,592
"get your ass outta New York,".

1932
01:23:20,593 --> 01:23:21,591
- Really?

1933
01:23:21,592 --> 01:23:23,039
Are you sure of this?

1934
01:23:23,040 --> 01:23:23,873
- Absolutely.

1935
01:23:23,874 --> 01:23:25,586
- You're positive?

1936
01:23:25,587 --> 01:23:28,306
- Can't be positive, only a fool is positive.

1937
01:23:28,307 --> 01:23:30,470
- All right then, all right then.

1938
01:23:30,471 --> 01:23:31,472
- A fool is certain.

1939
01:23:31,473 --> 01:23:32,380
- So don't come and tell me.

1940
01:23:32,381 --> 01:23:33,830
- But I never hanged.

1941
01:23:33,831 --> 01:23:34,664
- You can't tell me something you're positive of,

1942
01:23:34,665 --> 01:23:35,949
I don't even want to hear it.

1943
01:23:35,950 --> 01:23:37,613
Oh you never, there's a lot I never heard of.

1944
01:23:37,614 --> 01:23:40,319
- But I was really amazed when I saw

1945
01:23:40,320 --> 01:23:42,779
these three goddamn blacks beating me head

1946
01:23:42,780 --> 01:23:44,099
and kicking my head in.

1947
01:23:44,100 --> 01:23:44,933
- You keep bringing that up.

1948
01:23:44,934 --> 01:23:46,630
- Kicking my head in.

1949
01:23:46,631 --> 01:23:47,632
- You keep bringing that up.

1950
01:23:47,633 --> 01:23:48,631
Well it's a fact, man.

1951
01:23:48,632 --> 01:23:49,632
- I got nothing to do with that.

1952
01:23:49,633 --> 01:23:50,631
- Well certainly you don't.

1953
01:23:50,632 --> 01:23:51,632
- I got nothing to do with that.

1954
01:23:51,633 --> 01:23:53,939
- But they got a particular sadistic delight

1955
01:23:53,940 --> 01:23:55,931
in beating whitey's head in.

1956
01:23:55,932 --> 01:23:59,607
That covered all the hangings and all the, you know.

1957
01:23:59,608 --> 01:24:01,979
Covered everything.

1958
01:24:01,980 --> 01:24:03,359
They didn't even know.

1959
01:24:03,360 --> 01:24:04,549
- That made up for all of it.

1960
01:24:04,550 --> 01:24:05,679
- It made up for all of it.

1961
01:24:05,680 --> 01:24:07,179
- That one little incident with you

1962
01:24:07,180 --> 01:24:09,040
made up for everything.

1963
01:24:09,041 --> 01:24:11,190
Well then everything should be straight now.

1964
01:24:12,193 --> 01:24:13,691
Everything should be straight now.

1965
01:24:13,692 --> 01:24:14,848
- No.

1966
01:24:14,849 --> 01:24:16,549
The only thing straight is that I'm gonna get a gun

1967
01:24:16,550 --> 01:24:18,639
and I see a black man coming up to me

1968
01:24:18,640 --> 01:24:20,689
I'm gonna blow his belly in.

1969
01:24:20,690 --> 01:24:21,989
I'm not gonna blow his belly out,

1970
01:24:21,990 --> 01:24:23,669
I'm gonna hit him in the balls.

1971
01:24:23,670 --> 01:24:24,610
- Mhmm.

1972
01:24:24,611 --> 01:24:25,819
- So they'll not forget it.

1973
01:24:25,820 --> 01:24:27,819
- You think they make only one gun?

1974
01:24:27,820 --> 01:24:29,119
- One gun to blow his balls...

1975
01:24:29,120 --> 01:24:31,869
- That's all they make, that's all they make is one gun.

1976
01:24:31,870 --> 01:24:32,919
- But I'm gonna...

1977
01:24:32,920 --> 01:24:34,299
I'm a gunnery sergeant.

1978
01:24:34,300 --> 01:24:35,579
I was a Marine sergeant.

1979
01:24:35,580 --> 01:24:37,110
- What that mean?

1980
01:24:37,111 --> 01:24:39,211
- I killed about 500 men in the war and never saw them.

1981
01:24:39,212 --> 01:24:41,599
But now I'm gonna see that black man...

1982
01:24:41,600 --> 01:24:42,433
- How you know you killed them?

1983
01:24:42,434 --> 01:24:43,899
- And those Puerto Ricans...

1984
01:24:43,900 --> 01:24:45,472
- Oh, now it's the Puerto Ricans.

1985
01:24:45,473 --> 01:24:46,471
- Yeah.

1986
01:24:46,472 --> 01:24:48,058
- If talked to you in half an hour

1987
01:24:48,059 --> 01:24:49,999
it'd be an Irishman and a Chinaman.

1988
01:24:50,000 --> 01:24:51,531
Yeah, okay.

1989
01:24:51,532 --> 01:24:52,719
- Sure.

1990
01:24:52,720 --> 01:24:55,830
But at the moment it's Puerto Rican and colored.

1991
01:24:55,831 --> 01:24:57,369
- Yeah, what was it, two blacks and one Puerto Rican?

1992
01:24:57,370 --> 01:24:59,129
Or two Puerto Ricans and one black?

1993
01:24:59,130 --> 01:25:01,110
- It happened to be three blacks.

1994
01:25:01,111 --> 01:25:03,511
- It happened to be three blacks and one Puerto Rican.

1995
01:25:03,809 --> 01:25:04,971
- Well, when this happened, yeah.

1996
01:25:04,972 --> 01:25:06,571
- Oh, when that happened.

1997
01:25:06,572 --> 01:25:08,230
Puerto Rican was in there when this happened.

1998
01:25:08,231 --> 01:25:09,712
- Kicking my brains in.

1999
01:25:09,713 --> 01:25:10,711
Now don't tell me, man.

2000
01:25:10,712 --> 01:25:11,712
- I can't tell you anything, I can see that.

2001
01:25:11,713 --> 01:25:12,752
- They got a real delight.

2002
01:25:12,753 --> 01:25:14,230
- I can see it.

2003
01:25:14,231 --> 01:25:15,632
I can't tell you anything.

2004
01:25:15,633 --> 01:25:16,631
- Kicking my brains in.

2005
01:25:16,632 --> 01:25:17,632
I'm trying to fight 'em.

2006
01:25:17,633 --> 01:25:19,233
Get that whitey, get whitey, you whitey.

2007
01:25:20,990 --> 01:25:21,823
Punks.

2008
01:25:21,824 --> 01:25:23,264
- Did you do anything to them?

2009
01:25:23,969 --> 01:25:24,802
- Eh.

2010
01:25:24,803 --> 01:25:26,140
- What?

2011
01:25:26,141 --> 01:25:28,046
- If I'd have got ahold of them I'd strangle them.

2012
01:25:28,047 --> 01:25:29,632
- I didn't say, I said did you do anything

2013
01:25:29,633 --> 01:25:30,500
before they started hitting you?

2014
01:25:30,501 --> 01:25:31,529
- Of course not.

2015
01:25:31,530 --> 01:25:32,801
- Hmm?

2016
01:25:32,802 --> 01:25:34,512
You're just walking down the street.

2017
01:25:34,513 --> 01:25:35,460
- One guy grabbed me on the back of the neck,

2018
01:25:35,461 --> 01:25:37,140
I'm down, there it is.

2019
01:25:40,276 --> 01:25:42,284
I'm down, I'm out.

2020
01:25:42,285 --> 01:25:43,385
I got up to fight him.

2021
01:25:44,433 --> 01:25:45,720
- I feel for you.

2022
01:25:45,721 --> 01:25:46,959
- They ripped me off and...

2023
01:25:46,960 --> 01:25:49,219
- I feel for you myself, feel you.

2024
01:25:49,220 --> 01:25:50,053
- Oh, you feel, yeah.

2025
01:25:50,053 --> 01:25:50,886
- I feel for you, I'm serious.

2026
01:25:50,887 --> 01:25:51,929
- You would've protected me.

2027
01:25:51,930 --> 01:25:53,415
- Probably.

2028
01:25:53,416 --> 01:25:54,679
Probably.

2029
01:25:54,680 --> 01:25:55,919
- With the badge and everything.

2030
01:25:55,920 --> 01:25:56,920
- Probably.

2031
01:25:58,318 --> 01:26:00,620
Put my life on the line for less than that.

2032
01:26:01,943 --> 01:26:03,100
For a country I don't have.

2033
01:26:04,701 --> 01:26:05,534
- For a country you don't have?

2034
01:26:05,535 --> 01:26:06,730
- Country I do not have.

2035
01:26:07,809 --> 01:26:10,169
- I don't have a country, man.

2036
01:26:10,170 --> 01:26:11,419
You people have got it.

2037
01:26:11,420 --> 01:26:12,679
- Oh, we got it now.

2038
01:26:12,680 --> 01:26:15,430
Oh, so it's our country and you're just living here.

2039
01:26:16,380 --> 01:26:18,995
- I won't fight anymore for this one.

2040
01:26:18,996 --> 01:26:20,560
- Yeah?

2041
01:26:20,561 --> 01:26:23,749
- 30 years ago I fought for this one.

2042
01:26:23,750 --> 01:26:24,750
Not anymore.

2043
01:26:25,661 --> 01:26:28,770
Not to bring up the swine that's coming up on the street.

2044
01:26:30,410 --> 01:26:33,663
- What swine you talking about now?

2045
01:26:35,890 --> 01:26:38,809
What swine are you talking about now?

2046
01:26:39,770 --> 01:26:41,499
- What do you want, baby?

2047
01:26:41,500 --> 01:26:42,679
- I don't want anything.

2048
01:26:42,680 --> 01:26:44,178
- What do you really want?

2049
01:26:44,179 --> 01:26:45,635
- Actually I don't even feel like talking to you,

2050
01:26:45,636 --> 01:26:46,743
but since you're here, to tell you the truth.

2051
01:26:46,744 --> 01:26:49,040
- Oh you'd rather ignore the whole thing, eh?

2052
01:26:49,041 --> 01:26:51,239
- Isn't that what you're doing?

2053
01:26:51,240 --> 01:26:52,200
- No.

2054
01:26:52,201 --> 01:26:53,358
- No?

2055
01:26:53,359 --> 01:26:55,064
- I'm bitching like crazy.

2056
01:26:55,065 --> 01:26:57,129
I come in here and they can't even give me

2057
01:26:57,130 --> 01:26:59,058
a room to sleep tonight.

2058
01:26:59,059 --> 01:27:00,279
- Why?

2059
01:27:00,280 --> 01:27:01,113
- Why?

2060
01:27:01,114 --> 01:27:02,620
- Why?

2061
01:27:02,621 --> 01:27:04,420
- Well ask them, don't ask me.

2062
01:27:05,480 --> 01:27:06,829
- They should've told you.

2063
01:27:06,830 --> 01:27:08,139
- Why?

2064
01:27:08,140 --> 01:27:10,119
- Didn't you talk to the ladies, she told you.

2065
01:27:10,120 --> 01:27:11,319
- Got a fractured skull,

2066
01:27:11,320 --> 01:27:13,179
I've been two months in the hospital and out,

2067
01:27:13,180 --> 01:27:14,769
they get a letter from the hospital

2068
01:27:14,770 --> 01:27:17,140
and I'm persona non grata.

2069
01:27:21,040 --> 01:27:22,040
What should I add?

2070
01:27:23,800 --> 01:27:24,800
For my country.

2071
01:27:26,440 --> 01:27:31,440
Two Puerto Rican paramours, three colored concubines?

2072
01:27:32,860 --> 01:27:34,676
- Now it's five of them.

2073
01:27:34,677 --> 01:27:36,589
- Six children, six children.

2074
01:27:36,590 --> 01:27:38,200
Well, it's only a story.

2075
01:27:39,880 --> 01:27:41,121
What should I do?

2076
01:27:46,065 --> 01:27:49,719
I paid more taxes than my president.

2077
01:27:49,720 --> 01:27:52,355
- We all paid more taxes than your president.

2078
01:27:52,356 --> 01:27:53,358
- Yeah.

2079
01:27:53,359 --> 01:27:54,879
- You didn't say nothing.

2080
01:27:54,880 --> 01:27:56,308
- Is there anybody that'll talk to me,

2081
01:27:56,309 --> 01:27:58,060
or what are you gonna do with me?

2082
01:27:58,061 --> 01:27:59,639
- The lady talked to you already.

2083
01:27:59,640 --> 01:28:01,154
I don't know what she told you...

2084
01:28:01,155 --> 01:28:02,929
- They haven't talked to me yet.

2085
01:28:02,930 --> 01:28:03,930
It's getting late.

2086
01:28:04,836 --> 01:28:05,959
- So what are you doing,

2087
01:28:05,960 --> 01:28:06,982
you going to the hospital now?

2088
01:28:06,983 --> 01:28:07,980
- Yeah.

2089
01:28:07,981 --> 01:28:09,980
You gotta call the hospital, I want to go back.

2090
01:28:09,981 --> 01:28:11,983
- They're not coming.

2091
01:28:11,984 --> 01:28:15,142
- May I use your phone?

2092
01:28:15,143 --> 01:28:17,950
- any phone you want to.

2093
01:28:22,061 --> 01:28:24,801
- Never the twain shall meet, huh?

2094
01:28:24,802 --> 01:28:26,599
Never the twain shall meet.

2095
01:28:26,600 --> 01:28:27,863
- If that's the way you feel.

2096
01:28:27,864 --> 01:28:29,361
If that's the way you feel.

2097
01:28:29,362 --> 01:28:30,519
- It's the way I know, baby.

2098
01:28:30,520 --> 01:28:31,353
We're never gonna make it.

2099
01:28:31,354 --> 01:28:32,839
Never gonna make it.

2100
01:28:32,840 --> 01:28:35,059
- I'm not gonna stop trying till I'm dead.

2101
01:28:36,675 --> 01:28:37,509
- This is not my country,

2102
01:28:37,510 --> 01:28:39,699
you don't even comb your hair that way,

2103
01:28:39,700 --> 01:28:41,299
you're gonna be...

2104
01:28:41,300 --> 01:28:43,339
- Comb what hair?

2105
01:28:43,340 --> 01:28:44,519
- Black is beautiful.

2106
01:28:44,520 --> 01:28:47,940
- I got the right to wear my hair any way I please.

2107
01:28:47,941 --> 01:28:49,399
- Black is beautiful, man.

2108
01:28:49,400 --> 01:28:50,500
- I know it is.

2109
01:28:51,590 --> 01:28:54,262
- Black is blond.

2110
01:28:54,263 --> 01:28:55,885
- To you.

2111
01:28:55,886 --> 01:28:59,063
- I'm getting a 357 magnum and blowing

2112
01:28:59,064 --> 01:29:01,890
every black that I can right out of the business.

2113
01:29:02,744 --> 01:29:05,509
- Now two wrongs don't make a right now.

2114
01:29:05,510 --> 01:29:06,510
- Right.

2115
01:29:07,212 --> 01:29:08,775
- Mhmm.

2116
01:29:08,776 --> 01:29:11,129
- And when we finally get rid of the 10% of black.

2117
01:29:11,130 --> 01:29:12,509
- Just get rid of all of us.

2118
01:29:12,510 --> 01:29:13,599
- Get rid of all of you.

2119
01:29:13,600 --> 01:29:15,049
- Never.

2120
01:29:15,050 --> 01:29:16,289
Never.

2121
01:29:16,290 --> 01:29:17,779
- Not the way you progenerate.

2122
01:29:17,780 --> 01:29:18,750
- No way.

2123
01:29:18,751 --> 01:29:21,749
- Oh man, you're like rabbits, you're like rabbits.

2124
01:29:21,750 --> 01:29:23,260
- No way.

2125
01:29:23,261 --> 01:29:24,776
- You're like rabbits.

2126
01:29:24,777 --> 01:29:26,022
But where we're gonna beat you is

2127
01:29:26,023 --> 01:29:26,857
because you don't have any homes.

2128
01:29:26,858 --> 01:29:28,819
When they get so goddamn black,

2129
01:29:28,820 --> 01:29:30,930
these streets are gonna run with blood.

2130
01:29:32,590 --> 01:29:35,489
- Well, one thing I can tell you is...

2131
01:29:35,490 --> 01:29:36,839
- And you're only 10%, man.

2132
01:29:36,840 --> 01:29:39,209
- It won't be all black blood.

2133
01:29:39,210 --> 01:29:40,959
- Oh, you'll get some whiteys.

2134
01:29:40,960 --> 01:29:41,969
They're getting some whiteys.

2135
01:29:41,970 --> 01:29:43,959
They're getting a few cops.

2136
01:29:43,960 --> 01:29:46,115
They're dedicated to get cops.

2137
01:29:46,116 --> 01:29:48,449
There's a, you know.

2138
01:29:48,450 --> 01:29:51,143
The blacks are dedicated to get cops.

2139
01:29:51,144 --> 01:29:52,059
- Oh, we all are.

2140
01:29:52,060 --> 01:29:54,779
- They've killed many many cops.

2141
01:29:54,780 --> 01:29:56,859
- I'm dedicated to get a cop.

2142
01:29:56,860 --> 01:29:58,599
- Oh, you got to get 'em.

2143
01:29:58,600 --> 01:30:00,060
- Oh, I got to get 'em.

2144
01:30:00,061 --> 01:30:00,894
- Badge or no badge.

2145
01:30:00,895 --> 01:30:02,439
You got to get 'em.

2146
01:30:02,440 --> 01:30:03,469
Oh yeah.

2147
01:30:03,470 --> 01:30:04,743
Yep.

2148
01:30:04,744 --> 01:30:05,577
- That sounds a little far-fetched.

2149
01:30:05,578 --> 01:30:08,229
- And that's not even the Muslim.

2150
01:30:08,230 --> 01:30:10,539
They're even taking 'em out in far-fetched Muslim,

2151
01:30:10,540 --> 01:30:12,929
but it's not even far-fetched Muslim.

2152
01:30:12,930 --> 01:30:15,079
They're out to get the cops.

2153
01:30:15,080 --> 01:30:17,609
But we're not gonna allow it.

2154
01:30:17,610 --> 01:30:20,569
And because the fact that you're in the minority,

2155
01:30:20,570 --> 01:30:21,909
you're gonna die.

2156
01:30:21,910 --> 01:30:24,589
You're gonna be worse off than you ever were.

2157
01:30:24,590 --> 01:30:25,423
- Could be.

2158
01:30:25,424 --> 01:30:27,079
But you have to remember...

2159
01:30:27,080 --> 01:30:27,913
- Back to Africa.

2160
01:30:27,914 --> 01:30:30,999
- You have to remember minorities started this country.

2161
01:30:31,000 --> 01:30:31,833
- Not a minority.

2162
01:30:31,834 --> 01:30:33,201
- Oh yes it was.

2163
01:30:33,202 --> 01:30:34,035
- Oh no.

2164
01:30:34,035 --> 01:30:34,868
- When the British this country,

2165
01:30:34,869 --> 01:30:36,961
how many people were in America, man?

2166
01:30:36,962 --> 01:30:38,929
- That was a political and a religious minority,

2167
01:30:38,930 --> 01:30:41,660
but they were white, they were white, they were white.

2168
01:30:41,661 --> 01:30:43,239
- This is different.

2169
01:30:43,240 --> 01:30:44,481
This is different.

2170
01:30:44,482 --> 01:30:46,079
- Yep, yep.

2171
01:30:46,080 --> 01:30:51,080
Like a man says, biologically and nomologically,

2172
01:30:51,720 --> 01:30:55,230
and prominality, everything the black,

2173
01:30:59,943 --> 01:31:01,543
- What?

2174
01:31:01,544 --> 01:31:03,361
- Different.

2175
01:31:03,362 --> 01:31:04,280
- Different than whom?

2176
01:31:04,280 --> 01:31:05,160
- The whites.

2177
01:31:05,161 --> 01:31:06,756
- Hmm?

2178
01:31:06,757 --> 01:31:07,760
- The whites.

2179
01:31:07,761 --> 01:31:08,761
- In what respect?

2180
01:31:11,512 --> 01:31:15,750
In what respect am I different from you?

2181
01:31:18,950 --> 01:31:20,399
- You figure it out.

2182
01:31:20,400 --> 01:31:22,029
Take your whole people.

2183
01:31:22,030 --> 01:31:24,808
- I'm no different from you.

2184
01:31:24,809 --> 01:31:26,069
- Don't put it specifically.

2185
01:31:26,070 --> 01:31:27,619
- Except maybe a little prouder.

2186
01:31:27,620 --> 01:31:29,111
- Prouder?

2187
01:31:29,112 --> 01:31:31,929
- Maybe a little prouder.

2188
01:31:31,930 --> 01:31:32,763
That's right.

2189
01:31:32,764 --> 01:31:34,699
- Man, you got nothing going.

2190
01:31:34,700 --> 01:31:35,709
- Who got nothing going?

2191
01:31:35,710 --> 01:31:37,269
I got everything going.

2192
01:31:37,270 --> 01:31:38,270
- Nothing.

2193
01:31:39,210 --> 01:31:40,339
You got nothing going.

2194
01:31:40,340 --> 01:31:41,340
- Really?

2195
01:31:42,061 --> 01:31:43,063
- Really.

2196
01:31:43,064 --> 01:31:44,199
- Looks like I got more going now

2197
01:31:44,200 --> 01:31:46,119
and I'm only 22 than you have your whole life.

2198
01:31:46,120 --> 01:31:48,099
- I'm 51, man.

2199
01:31:48,100 --> 01:31:49,100
- That's right.

2200
01:31:50,520 --> 01:31:51,353
- And I've fought wars, twice.

2201
01:31:51,354 --> 01:31:53,799
- Oh, I've fought 'em too, ain't no big thing.

2202
01:31:53,800 --> 01:31:54,800
Ain't no big thing.

2203
01:31:56,512 --> 01:31:58,860
And I fought in a war that was worse than yours.

2204
01:32:00,082 --> 01:32:01,510
'cause I saw who I was killing.

2205
01:32:02,410 --> 01:32:03,610
- You never see.

2206
01:32:04,675 --> 01:32:05,739
- Oh, I saw who I was killing.

2207
01:32:05,740 --> 01:32:07,500
Every man I shot down, I saw.

2208
01:32:07,501 --> 01:32:10,289
- I never saw the men that I killed.

2209
01:32:10,290 --> 01:32:12,509
- That's the difference between your war and mine.

2210
01:32:12,510 --> 01:32:13,789
- I had orders.

2211
01:32:13,790 --> 01:32:15,069
- We all had orders.

2212
01:32:15,070 --> 01:32:17,980
- You're prejudiced, that means that you had...

2213
01:32:17,981 --> 01:32:18,814
- At whom?

2214
01:32:18,815 --> 01:32:20,119
- You had a particular reason to kill a man.

2215
01:32:20,120 --> 01:32:22,161
- At whom am I prejudiced?

2216
01:32:22,162 --> 01:32:23,479
- I never killed a man I ever...

2217
01:32:23,480 --> 01:32:24,599
I never killed a man.

2218
01:32:24,600 --> 01:32:25,958
I never killed a man that I...

2219
01:32:25,959 --> 01:32:28,161
Never had anything against a man that I killed.

2220
01:32:28,162 --> 01:32:30,149
- So then what were you doing in the war, then?

2221
01:32:30,150 --> 01:32:31,499
- Survival.

2222
01:32:31,500 --> 01:32:32,709
- Isn't that what we're doing?

2223
01:32:32,710 --> 01:32:33,949
- Simply survival.

2224
01:32:33,950 --> 01:32:35,079
- Isn't that what we're doing?

2225
01:32:35,080 --> 01:32:37,380
- Oh no, not the way the blacks coming up now.

2226
01:32:38,220 --> 01:32:40,829
Black is beautiful, black is perfect, black power.

2227
01:32:40,830 --> 01:32:41,830
- Still survival.

2228
01:32:42,701 --> 01:32:43,799
- Power, power, power.

2229
01:32:43,800 --> 01:32:45,420
- Still survival.

2230
01:32:45,421 --> 01:32:46,423
It's all survival.

2231
01:32:46,424 --> 01:32:47,463
- You got nothing going, man.

2232
01:32:47,464 --> 01:32:48,461
- I got everything.

2233
01:32:48,462 --> 01:32:52,919
- Man, you say black is power, you're gonna 86 out.

2234
01:32:52,920 --> 01:32:53,840
- 86 out.

2235
01:32:53,841 --> 01:32:55,955
I might as well get all my business together.

2236
01:32:55,956 --> 01:32:57,260
- Get all your business together.

2237
01:32:57,261 --> 01:32:58,644
- Say goodbye to everybody.

2238
01:32:58,645 --> 01:33:00,561
- Say goodbye to everybody.

2239
01:33:00,562 --> 01:33:02,241
- But see I didn't know, you know.

2240
01:33:02,242 --> 01:33:03,242
How did I know?

2241
01:33:04,242 --> 01:33:05,521
Hmm?

2242
01:33:05,522 --> 01:33:07,637
- You don't think you're gonna make too goddamn much.

2243
01:33:07,661 --> 01:33:09,019
- Oh, I'm gonna make everything I want.

2244
01:33:09,020 --> 01:33:10,919
- Well take a look at TV right now.

2245
01:33:10,920 --> 01:33:13,222
We're in the greatest goddamn spot.

2246
01:33:14,675 --> 01:33:15,798
What do you got?

2247
01:33:15,799 --> 01:33:16,997
- What do we have?

2248
01:33:16,998 --> 01:33:17,831
- What do you got?

2249
01:33:17,832 --> 01:33:19,058
Not even expression.

2250
01:33:19,059 --> 01:33:20,161
- Tell me.

2251
01:33:20,162 --> 01:33:21,189
- Not even leadership.

2252
01:33:21,190 --> 01:33:22,023
Nothing.

2253
01:33:22,023 --> 01:33:22,856
- At what?

2254
01:33:22,857 --> 01:33:24,161
- At any level.

2255
01:33:24,162 --> 01:33:25,160
- At any level?

2256
01:33:25,161 --> 01:33:26,161
- You blacks can't even lead each other.

2257
01:33:26,162 --> 01:33:29,515
You can't even lead each other.

2258
01:33:29,516 --> 01:33:32,030
- Ain't got nothing better to do.

2259
01:33:33,304 --> 01:33:34,624
Don't have anything better to do.

2260
01:33:35,821 --> 01:33:38,178
All right, I'll finish, okay.

2261
01:33:38,179 --> 01:33:39,859
All right, it was nice talking to you.

2262
01:33:39,860 --> 01:33:41,715
I learned a lot from you.

2263
01:33:41,716 --> 01:33:43,479
- It wasn't, you haven't learned a goddamn thing.

2264
01:33:43,480 --> 01:33:45,058
- Yes I did, I learned that I don't have long to live.

2265
01:33:45,059 --> 01:33:46,519
That's good to know.

2266
01:33:46,520 --> 01:33:47,759
- You're killing yourself.

2267
01:33:47,760 --> 01:33:49,109
- I don't want to die just like that.

2268
01:33:49,110 --> 01:33:51,909
If I know it's coming I can prepare for it.

2269
01:33:51,910 --> 01:33:53,863
- It depends on who shoots you, who hangs you.

2270
01:33:53,864 --> 01:33:55,058
- Really.

2271
01:33:55,059 --> 01:33:56,309
- I got no respect.

2272
01:33:57,720 --> 01:33:58,720
- Well that's you.

2273
01:33:59,956 --> 01:34:02,195
- No respect.

2274
01:34:02,196 --> 01:34:04,036
- I got enough for both of us.

2275
01:34:04,037 --> 01:34:05,075
- Nope.

2276
01:34:05,076 --> 01:34:05,909
- I got enough for both of us.

2277
01:34:05,910 --> 01:34:07,939
- I hope it'll keep us alive.

2278
01:34:07,940 --> 01:34:09,980
- It's gonna keep me alive.

2279
01:34:14,340 --> 01:34:15,769
- Your name is Magdonna, right?

2280
01:34:15,770 --> 01:34:17,118
- Yes.

2281
01:34:17,119 --> 01:34:18,561
- Okay, Mrs. Magdonna, I...

2282
01:34:18,562 --> 01:34:20,035
- And they say I'm not supposed to...

2283
01:34:20,036 --> 01:34:21,143
- Sweetheart, listen to me.

2284
01:34:21,144 --> 01:34:22,179
- No more white tickets,

2285
01:34:22,180 --> 01:34:26,218
I done got about four of 'em already.

2286
01:34:26,219 --> 01:34:27,479
- Will you listen to me?

2287
01:34:27,480 --> 01:34:28,754
- Yes.

2288
01:34:28,755 --> 01:34:30,289
- I asked you to be patient,

2289
01:34:30,290 --> 01:34:32,569
and when the lady comes back from lunch,

2290
01:34:32,570 --> 01:34:34,549
I told you that I would come over and let you know,

2291
01:34:34,550 --> 01:34:35,460
all right?

2292
01:34:35,461 --> 01:34:37,499
I would check it out for you, right?

2293
01:34:37,500 --> 01:34:39,079
- Yeah, but is she back?

2294
01:34:39,080 --> 01:34:40,030
- No she's not back.

2295
01:34:40,031 --> 01:34:41,138
She's not back.

2296
01:34:41,139 --> 01:34:43,795
- Well there ain't but three chairs in there.

2297
01:34:43,796 --> 01:34:45,269
- Be patient, all right?

2298
01:34:45,270 --> 01:34:47,679
Have a seat over there and I'll take care of it for you,

2299
01:34:47,680 --> 01:34:49,079
okay?

2300
01:34:49,080 --> 01:34:49,969
- Please, 'cause I got to go to my parole hearing.

2301
01:34:49,969 --> 01:34:50,969
- All right.

2302
01:34:53,180 --> 01:34:54,180
Excuse me.

2303
01:34:59,028 --> 01:35:00,567
- You have to go.

2304
01:35:00,568 --> 01:35:03,848
Just get out of the center, all right?

2305
01:35:05,583 --> 01:35:06,583
- Oh boy.

2306
01:35:07,790 --> 01:35:09,740
Mister, just get out of the center now.

2307
01:35:13,460 --> 01:35:15,089
- You know, the interesting thing is

2308
01:35:15,090 --> 01:35:16,950
that I see every cop is black.

2309
01:35:18,127 --> 01:35:19,448
Why is this?

2310
01:35:19,449 --> 01:35:24,019
If I were a white man, or any particular thing,

2311
01:35:24,020 --> 01:35:26,170
I'd probably think they were prejudiced.

2312
01:35:27,320 --> 01:35:29,549
What the hell, is everybody in social welfare

2313
01:35:29,550 --> 01:35:30,670
and everything black?

2314
01:35:31,668 --> 01:35:34,615
- 'Cause we want to help.

2315
01:35:34,616 --> 01:35:37,027
- I think I'll get a...

2316
01:35:37,028 --> 01:35:38,147
What the hell is it?

2317
01:35:38,148 --> 01:35:40,408
An NAAWP?

2318
01:35:40,409 --> 01:35:41,929
- CP?

2319
01:35:41,930 --> 01:35:42,930
- CP for white.

2320
01:35:43,887 --> 01:35:44,888
- That's good.

2321
01:35:44,889 --> 01:35:46,859
- A white man's gotta protect himself.

2322
01:35:46,860 --> 01:35:49,368
See the reason I didn't break your haed.

2323
01:35:50,548 --> 01:35:52,708
The reason I didn't break your head was because I knew

2324
01:35:55,130 --> 01:35:57,370
But you hit me like a tiger.

2325
01:35:58,330 --> 01:36:00,439
You actually wanted to do it.

2326
01:36:00,440 --> 01:36:02,289
But I knew I could've busted you back

2327
01:36:02,290 --> 01:36:03,990
and if it weren't for these guys...

2328
01:36:04,831 --> 01:36:05,780
- Mister, why don't you go on now?

2329
01:36:05,781 --> 01:36:07,669
Won't you please go now?

2330
01:36:07,670 --> 01:36:09,719
- You couldn't put him in a bag

2331
01:36:10,844 --> 01:36:12,479
when I get through with him.

2332
01:36:12,480 --> 01:36:13,609
- He'll be fine, yeah.

2333
01:36:13,610 --> 01:36:14,819
- You believe it?

2334
01:36:14,820 --> 01:36:16,408
- Right, okay...

2335
01:36:16,409 --> 01:36:18,299
- And that's with the badge right on top of it.

2336
01:36:18,300 --> 01:36:20,189
You're that great, man.

2337
01:36:20,190 --> 01:36:21,599
But if you think you can take me,

2338
01:36:21,600 --> 01:36:23,638
take my hand right now.

2339
01:36:23,639 --> 01:36:25,539
Put one foot to me

2340
01:36:25,540 --> 01:36:29,519
and show these black men how great you are.

2341
01:36:29,520 --> 01:36:31,179
- Mister, will you please go on?

2342
01:36:31,180 --> 01:36:33,427
Go to the hospital, go where you're going.

2343
01:36:33,428 --> 01:36:34,551
- No, I want to get another one.

2344
01:36:34,552 --> 01:36:36,601
- Come on, day's over man.

2345
01:36:53,540 --> 01:36:55,046
- Oh Jesus Christ.

2346
01:37:08,090 --> 01:37:10,611
- Oh I know I'm gonna get stuck doing this forever.

2347
01:37:29,284 --> 01:37:30,534
- Hold it a minute.

2348
01:37:40,400 --> 01:37:43,069
- Somebody show me to the elevator?

2349
01:37:43,070 --> 01:37:43,903
- Elevator?

2350
01:37:43,903 --> 01:37:44,903
- Yeah.

2351
01:38:13,096 --> 01:38:16,309
Well I don't know.

2352
01:38:18,000 --> 01:38:19,350
I need a new Medicaid card.

2353
01:38:27,791 --> 01:38:29,454
- Let me take care of you.

2354
01:38:29,455 --> 01:38:30,665
Let me take care of you.

2355
01:38:30,666 --> 01:38:32,809
Sit down.

2356
01:38:33,803 --> 01:38:35,120
- Thank you.

2357
01:38:35,121 --> 01:38:36,121
- Okay.

2358
01:38:47,200 --> 01:38:49,251
- The reason why they want

2359
01:38:49,252 --> 01:38:50,085
to close your case is because

2360
01:38:50,086 --> 01:38:52,859
they have tried to verify your husband's income

2361
01:38:52,860 --> 01:38:55,029
for several months and nobody's cooperated...

2362
01:38:55,030 --> 01:38:56,799
- He brought the income in, it's right here in the record.

2363
01:38:56,800 --> 01:38:59,779
We brought it in, and they took a photostatic copy.

2364
01:38:59,780 --> 01:39:02,119
Would you look in the record and find it?

2365
01:39:02,120 --> 01:39:04,670
Every check I have to go through all this bullshit?

2366
01:39:06,190 --> 01:39:07,729
There was one time he did bring it in,

2367
01:39:07,730 --> 01:39:09,660
it's in there, the photostatic copy.

2368
01:39:11,120 --> 01:39:12,219
That's it right there.

2369
01:39:14,300 --> 01:39:19,039
They gonna keep telling me he didn't bring the pay stub in?

2370
01:39:19,040 --> 01:39:21,044
He don't get paid off in check,

2371
01:39:21,045 --> 01:39:22,205
he get paid off in envelopes.

2372
01:39:34,670 --> 01:39:36,687
- What did they tell you

2373
01:39:36,688 --> 01:39:37,521
at the conference that was held on this case

2374
01:39:37,522 --> 01:39:38,562
when you received a notice

2375
01:39:39,534 --> 01:39:40,367
that your case was gonna be closed?

2376
01:39:40,368 --> 01:39:42,129
- They did not send me a notice telling me

2377
01:39:42,130 --> 01:39:44,468
my case was gonna be closed.

2378
01:39:44,469 --> 01:39:45,579
- Well you had a conference,

2379
01:39:45,580 --> 01:39:46,619
didn't you go to the conference?

2380
01:39:46,620 --> 01:39:48,131
- Yes.

2381
01:39:48,132 --> 01:39:49,268
And they did not tell...

2382
01:39:49,269 --> 01:39:50,272
- You wouldn't have known

2383
01:39:50,273 --> 01:39:51,486
about the conference unless you had known

2384
01:39:51,487 --> 01:39:52,653
your case was going to be closed.

2385
01:39:52,654 --> 01:39:53,487
- I asked for this.

2386
01:39:53,488 --> 01:39:54,539
- Yes, but I mean you asked for it

2387
01:39:54,540 --> 01:39:56,674
because they sent you this here.

2388
01:39:56,675 --> 01:39:57,508
- They didn't send nothing out to me

2389
01:39:57,509 --> 01:39:59,240
because when I came into the office

2390
01:40:00,094 --> 01:40:00,927
I asked them for a fair hearing.

2391
01:40:00,928 --> 01:40:04,047
So they advised me to go upstairs to this lady.

2392
01:40:04,048 --> 01:40:06,009
And she sent me a notice,

2393
01:40:06,010 --> 01:40:07,410
appointment when to come in.

2394
01:40:09,770 --> 01:40:11,379
- And that's Miss Horowitz you saw, right?

2395
01:40:11,380 --> 01:40:12,869
- They did not discuss

2396
01:40:12,870 --> 01:40:15,589
nothing about no case closing or nothing.

2397
01:40:15,590 --> 01:40:17,459
You think if they told me my case was going to be closed

2398
01:40:17,460 --> 01:40:19,209
I'd be sitting up here?

2399
01:40:19,210 --> 01:40:23,139
- Well the conference was held, according to all of this.

2400
01:40:29,380 --> 01:40:31,909
No Tom, you're misunderstanding me.

2401
01:40:31,910 --> 01:40:32,743
- Yes, I know what you're saying.

2402
01:40:32,743 --> 01:40:33,576
- She got this.

2403
01:40:33,577 --> 01:40:34,906
- Right, right.

2404
01:40:34,907 --> 01:40:35,741
- She called the number.

2405
01:40:35,742 --> 01:40:37,222
- And she's been at the fair hearing.

2406
01:40:37,823 --> 01:40:38,656
- She got this conference.

2407
01:40:38,657 --> 01:40:39,808
Yeah, the conference said her case would be closed

2408
01:40:39,809 --> 01:40:41,020
so they're sending her this notice saying...

2409
01:40:41,021 --> 01:40:43,109
- Yeah but she didn't in fact have a fair hearing,

2410
01:40:43,110 --> 01:40:44,460
it was a conference, right?

2411
01:40:45,665 --> 01:40:46,926
- Well, my question is this.

2412
01:40:46,927 --> 01:40:49,167
She says that she gave them the information they wanted.

2413
01:40:49,983 --> 01:40:50,816
And if you look in the record.

2414
01:40:50,816 --> 01:40:51,660
- Yeah, but I'm asking you, did she...

2415
01:40:51,661 --> 01:40:53,429
- You will see that in fact she did.

2416
01:40:53,430 --> 01:40:54,263
- Yeah, but I'm not...

2417
01:40:54,264 --> 01:40:55,593
- So I wonder why they're closing her case.

2418
01:40:55,594 --> 01:40:58,218
- Oh, that, okay.

2419
01:40:58,219 --> 01:41:01,830
This is from George Drew's office.

2420
01:41:03,656 --> 01:41:04,489
- Horowitz worked on it.

2421
01:41:04,490 --> 01:41:05,935
Should I go up and give Horowitz a run for her money?

2422
01:41:05,936 --> 01:41:08,959
- Go up and ask her why they're closing her case.

2423
01:41:08,960 --> 01:41:11,090
- Fabulous.

2424
01:41:11,091 --> 01:41:11,924
- Right.

2425
01:41:11,925 --> 01:41:13,029
That's a whole...

2426
01:41:13,030 --> 01:41:14,030
Thanks, Noel.

2427
01:41:15,713 --> 01:41:16,713
Thanks Noel.

2428
01:41:23,142 --> 01:41:25,620
- Excuse me, is this Miss Horowitz's office?

2429
01:41:26,690 --> 01:41:29,450
And you agree that the case should be closed,

2430
01:41:29,451 --> 01:41:30,451
is that what this means?

2431
01:41:33,190 --> 01:41:35,250
- Client working for five years...

2432
01:41:37,621 --> 01:41:38,455
Yes, that's what it means.

2433
01:41:38,456 --> 01:41:39,468
Whatever action is necessary.

2434
01:41:39,469 --> 01:41:42,520
Because I have no proof that this man has left the home,

2435
01:41:43,623 --> 01:41:44,456
in fact I don't believe he has.

2436
01:41:44,457 --> 01:41:46,760
- Well no, but she was asked to bring in the pay stubs,

2437
01:41:47,983 --> 01:41:48,816
right?

2438
01:41:48,817 --> 01:41:49,990
That's what the closing is for.

2439
01:41:49,991 --> 01:41:54,991
She says she brought them and there is a copy of them.

2440
01:41:56,350 --> 01:41:58,700
Did she show you that?

2441
01:41:59,889 --> 01:42:03,839
- She asked me to change the budget,

2442
01:42:03,840 --> 01:42:06,606
put it back in her name, that he's not living with her,

2443
01:42:06,607 --> 01:42:07,440
do you know about that?

2444
01:42:07,440 --> 01:42:08,273
- Is this what she brought you?

2445
01:42:08,274 --> 01:42:10,690
Is that sufficient, does that answer the closing notice?

2446
01:42:16,050 --> 01:42:19,232
- There's more involved than just what the man is making.

2447
01:42:19,233 --> 01:42:20,329
- Yes I know, there is more involved, I agree with you,

2448
01:42:20,330 --> 01:42:23,500
but we have to go by what is on this paper here,

2449
01:42:25,137 --> 01:42:27,097
and it says we're closing it because for the last

2450
01:42:28,340 --> 01:42:30,840
five years, you have never brought your pay stubs.

2451
01:42:31,827 --> 01:42:32,660
He's bringing them now.

2452
01:42:32,660 --> 01:42:33,493
- Yeah.

2453
01:42:33,494 --> 01:42:34,870
- So you have to leave it open.

2454
01:42:35,719 --> 01:42:36,885
- He brings them now and he's saying

2455
01:42:36,886 --> 01:42:38,209
he's living with his wife...

2456
01:42:38,210 --> 01:42:39,513
- Well we'll get into that later.

2457
01:42:39,514 --> 01:42:41,808
- That's the thing that you have to go into now,

2458
01:42:41,809 --> 01:42:43,340
is the case suspicious.

2459
01:42:44,365 --> 01:42:45,198
That's why...

2460
01:42:45,198 --> 01:42:46,031
- So finally they find out how much money he's making

2461
01:42:46,032 --> 01:42:48,369
and now she says he's no longer in the home.

2462
01:42:48,370 --> 01:42:50,770
But my point is you cannot go ahead and close it

2463
01:42:51,749 --> 01:42:52,700
because she brought the stuff.

2464
01:42:52,701 --> 01:42:54,450
- If she has complied, you know,

2465
01:42:55,364 --> 01:42:57,219
I'm not the fair hearing section.

2466
01:42:58,213 --> 01:42:59,150
- Yes, but you had the conference on it.

2467
01:42:59,151 --> 01:43:01,557
- Yes, at the time I had the conference

2468
01:43:01,558 --> 01:43:03,149
I didn't have proof of current income.

2469
01:43:03,150 --> 01:43:05,369
He showed me something from a year or two before

2470
01:43:05,370 --> 01:43:07,120
or something, I didn't see that one

2471
01:43:08,530 --> 01:43:09,362
from the current pay slip.

2472
01:43:09,362 --> 01:43:10,196
- Well is that sufficient, what I showed you here?

2473
01:43:10,197 --> 01:43:11,210
- Yes, I would say it is.

2474
01:43:12,308 --> 01:43:13,609
- Okay, so it can't be closed.

2475
01:43:13,610 --> 01:43:16,030
Are you gonna void this 913 then?

2476
01:43:22,442 --> 01:43:23,922
'Cause her case is going to be closed

2477
01:43:25,492 --> 01:43:27,172
unless someone called up and said stop it.

2478
01:43:27,775 --> 01:43:29,279
Or however you do that.

2479
01:43:29,280 --> 01:43:31,080
- I have to change it to not upheld.

2480
01:43:35,985 --> 01:43:37,370
That's all I do.

2481
01:43:37,371 --> 01:43:38,205
- So her case will remain open.

2482
01:43:38,206 --> 01:43:39,539
- Yeah.

2483
01:43:39,540 --> 01:43:40,540
- Okay.

2484
01:43:40,540 --> 01:43:41,540
Thank you.

2485
01:43:42,510 --> 01:43:43,510
Tom.

2486
01:43:49,709 --> 01:43:52,131
I pointed out to Miss Horowitz the error of her ways.

2487
01:43:52,132 --> 01:43:52,965
- Yes.

2488
01:43:52,966 --> 01:43:54,489
- She's upset because she doesn't believe the woman's story

2489
01:43:54,490 --> 01:43:57,030
that conveniently her husband has disappeared

2490
01:43:59,267 --> 01:44:00,308
as soon as this is taken care of,

2491
01:44:00,309 --> 01:44:02,249
rather that he's out of the home.

2492
01:44:02,250 --> 01:44:04,239
She wants the case transferred to her name

2493
01:44:04,240 --> 01:44:07,218
because the checks are going out in his name.

2494
01:44:07,219 --> 01:44:10,609
I think we just don't do that on her say,

2495
01:44:10,610 --> 01:44:12,379
we'll have to find out where he is,

2496
01:44:12,380 --> 01:44:15,558
meaning write to his employer, see what address is there,

2497
01:44:15,559 --> 01:44:18,279
check housing, 'cause they live in public housing,

2498
01:44:18,280 --> 01:44:20,029
see if he's listed on that.

2499
01:44:20,030 --> 01:44:21,660
- Send a letter, a registered certified letter...

2500
01:44:21,661 --> 01:44:24,589
- Now, you should also know that she says

2501
01:44:24,590 --> 01:44:26,080
her children are starving.

2502
01:44:26,969 --> 01:44:28,308
- Her what?

2503
01:44:28,309 --> 01:44:29,460
- She wants some money.

2504
01:44:33,075 --> 01:44:33,907
Do you want to give her any?

2505
01:44:33,907 --> 01:44:34,741
- Well, the can't.

2506
01:44:34,742 --> 01:44:35,897
- Okay.

2507
01:44:35,898 --> 01:44:37,609
- Yeah, they can't close it on that, they have to...

2508
01:44:37,610 --> 01:44:40,159
- No, the closing yes, they will not close.

2509
01:44:40,160 --> 01:44:41,419
But she wants the money today.

2510
01:44:41,420 --> 01:44:42,449
Of course they can't give her any

2511
01:44:42,450 --> 01:44:44,760
unless the case is reclassified into her name.

2512
01:44:46,005 --> 01:44:47,459
- Well they have to reclassify it then...

2513
01:44:47,460 --> 01:44:49,300
- Well they can't do it until we check it out.

2514
01:44:50,780 --> 01:44:51,612
- No...

2515
01:44:51,613 --> 01:44:52,813
Well, I don't know how they...

2516
01:44:58,300 --> 01:45:00,979
Now let me tell you, they have to reclassify into her name

2517
01:45:00,980 --> 01:45:02,173
before they can give it, right, the checks?

2518
01:45:02,174 --> 01:45:03,319
- Right.

2519
01:45:03,320 --> 01:45:05,259
- However, she has a perfect right

2520
01:45:05,260 --> 01:45:06,509
to ask for a fair hearing,

2521
01:45:06,510 --> 01:45:08,459
despite the hearing she had upstairs.

2522
01:45:08,460 --> 01:45:10,420
- No, she doesn't need a fair hearing.

2523
01:45:11,880 --> 01:45:14,269
We've already decided her case is not to be closed

2524
01:45:14,270 --> 01:45:16,141
because she did at the last minute bring the pay stub.

2525
01:45:16,142 --> 01:45:18,486
- What I say is they would...

2526
01:45:18,487 --> 01:45:19,320
I would suggest...

2527
01:45:19,321 --> 01:45:21,241
- But now she's saying don't count the pay stubs

2528
01:45:21,745 --> 01:45:22,577
because the guy does not live there any longer.

2529
01:45:22,578 --> 01:45:24,749
- If she's without funds,

2530
01:45:24,750 --> 01:45:27,058
they have to service her financially.

2531
01:45:27,059 --> 01:45:28,361
They'll have to make the switch on the basis

2532
01:45:28,362 --> 01:45:29,847
of our ongoing investigation.

2533
01:45:32,962 --> 01:45:33,795
- They'll have to decide that.

2534
01:45:33,796 --> 01:45:34,849
- That's their decision, but that's what they'll have to do.

2535
01:45:34,850 --> 01:45:36,423
- So I'll just work on our end.

2536
01:45:36,424 --> 01:45:37,257
- Right.

2537
01:45:37,258 --> 01:45:38,359
They'll have to make whatever change is necessary

2538
01:45:38,360 --> 01:45:41,820
to service her and on the basis of our investigation...

2539
01:45:50,010 --> 01:45:51,780
- Miss Horowitz had made a mistake.

2540
01:45:53,430 --> 01:45:54,869
You did bring the pay stub,

2541
01:45:54,870 --> 01:45:57,740
or your husband did, whoever did.

2542
01:45:59,419 --> 01:46:00,869
We have to verify where your husband is now.

2543
01:46:00,870 --> 01:46:03,419
Did you tell Lilian Wallhauser that he had moved out?

2544
01:46:03,420 --> 01:46:04,699
- Yes.

2545
01:46:04,700 --> 01:46:06,699
- So he's off their records.

2546
01:46:06,700 --> 01:46:09,029
- Yes, because I have the new lease

2547
01:46:09,030 --> 01:46:10,138
they sent in the mail yesterday

2548
01:46:10,139 --> 01:46:11,969
for me to fill out for that.

2549
01:46:13,657 --> 01:46:14,717
- Are you married to him?

2550
01:46:14,718 --> 01:46:16,478
- Yes, I'm legally married to him, I have my

2551
01:46:18,383 --> 01:46:19,383
papers here.

2552
01:46:25,549 --> 01:46:26,382
- Do any other children live in the home

2553
01:46:26,383 --> 01:46:28,183
besides these listed here?

2554
01:46:28,184 --> 01:46:30,270
Patricia, Leeroy, Priscilla, Denise,

2555
01:46:31,175 --> 01:46:32,008
and there's another Patricia?

2556
01:46:32,008 --> 01:46:32,910
- No, they have...

2557
01:46:32,911 --> 01:46:34,309
Gwendoline's supposed to be.

2558
01:46:36,536 --> 01:46:38,959
It's Gwendoline, Patricia, Denise, and Leeroy,

2559
01:46:38,960 --> 01:46:40,399
Michael and Irving have left.

2560
01:46:40,400 --> 01:46:41,558
- Well we'll have to refer this

2561
01:46:41,559 --> 01:46:43,468
to family court.

2562
01:46:43,469 --> 01:46:45,670
- So I can't get an emergency check?

2563
01:46:47,501 --> 01:46:48,334
Some food for the kids?

2564
01:46:48,335 --> 01:46:49,459
- Well it's not that simple

2565
01:46:49,460 --> 01:46:51,770
because they have to take your husband off the case,

2566
01:46:54,949 --> 01:46:56,849
and they can't do that,

2567
01:46:56,850 --> 01:46:57,690
they can't make any changes in the welfare budget

2568
01:46:57,691 --> 01:46:59,980
without sending a notice to you

2569
01:46:59,981 --> 01:47:02,779
and giving you 15 days to say go ahead and do it

2570
01:47:02,780 --> 01:47:04,569
or I don't care or say nothing or protest it

2571
01:47:04,570 --> 01:47:05,920
or whatever you want to do,

2572
01:47:07,612 --> 01:47:09,293
even if this move is in your favor,

2573
01:47:09,294 --> 01:47:10,815
in this case it would be in your favor

2574
01:47:10,816 --> 01:47:12,289
to take your husband off the budget today.

2575
01:47:12,290 --> 01:47:14,009
They can't do that 15 days.

2576
01:47:14,010 --> 01:47:16,249
So I think you're in a bind.

2577
01:47:16,250 --> 01:47:18,649
But I'll take the record up to the group.

2578
01:47:18,650 --> 01:47:21,579
It's not my responsibility, money matters.

2579
01:47:21,580 --> 01:47:24,480
And I'll explain to them that we're referring it to court,

2580
01:47:25,670 --> 01:47:26,680
and...

2581
01:47:33,170 --> 01:47:36,340
Since welfare's really based upon what clients say,

2582
01:47:38,940 --> 01:47:41,170
they really have to believe what you tell them.

2583
01:47:45,240 --> 01:47:46,639
Until it's proved otherwise.

2584
01:47:49,463 --> 01:47:50,296
How long have you been on welfare?

2585
01:47:50,296 --> 01:47:51,296
- Let's see.

2586
01:47:53,750 --> 01:47:55,150
About eight or nine years.

2587
01:47:56,120 --> 01:47:57,120
Maybe 10.

2588
01:47:59,985 --> 01:48:04,985
- Well, we can take this up to the group.

2589
01:48:07,690 --> 01:48:09,977
Do you want to sign this, Tom?

2590
01:48:09,978 --> 01:48:11,395
- Yes, yes.

2591
01:48:13,086 --> 01:48:14,669
- No no, I haven't.

2592
01:48:21,224 --> 01:48:22,057
- Okay right.

2593
01:48:22,058 --> 01:48:25,007
They have to process it until our investigation is through.

2594
01:48:25,889 --> 01:48:27,940
Whatever manipulations they have to make.

2595
01:48:37,434 --> 01:48:40,192
- To start with the reason that we sent people to J Street,

2596
01:48:40,193 --> 01:48:41,289
the reason that we send everybody to J Street

2597
01:48:41,290 --> 01:48:44,718
is because we want to see if you're able to work or not.

2598
01:48:44,719 --> 01:48:47,138
Because that's the most important factor

2599
01:48:47,139 --> 01:48:50,052
in determining what type of assistance is appropriate.

2600
01:48:50,053 --> 01:48:52,349
So we have different types of assistance

2601
01:48:52,350 --> 01:48:56,090
based on whether or not you are able to work.

2602
01:48:57,674 --> 01:49:02,260
And the J Street report says that you are employable.

2603
01:49:04,180 --> 01:49:06,499
How much school have you had?

2604
01:49:06,500 --> 01:49:08,200
- Well, I went to the ninth grade.

2605
01:49:10,040 --> 01:49:11,739
- In New York?

2606
01:49:11,740 --> 01:49:13,790
- Yes, in New York.

2607
01:49:16,547 --> 01:49:18,093
- And what do you have

2608
01:49:18,094 --> 01:49:18,928
in the way of employment background?

2609
01:49:18,929 --> 01:49:22,059
- Well, I don't have too much of a employment experience

2610
01:49:23,349 --> 01:49:24,649
due to the fact that, you know,

2611
01:49:24,650 --> 01:49:27,820
I've just been released out of prison after 11 years.

2612
01:49:29,947 --> 01:49:30,780
- Where were you?

2613
01:49:30,781 --> 01:49:32,905
- You know, I was Clinton, Comstock, and what have you,

2614
01:49:32,906 --> 01:49:34,586
nevertheless I was released out of prison.

2615
01:49:35,536 --> 01:49:36,369
- Oh, so you've been in jail several times.

2616
01:49:36,370 --> 01:49:38,070
- No, that's my first time in prison.

2617
01:49:39,982 --> 01:49:42,589
But I did 11 years in prison.

2618
01:49:42,590 --> 01:49:46,089
So I don't have too much of a backing, you know, background.

2619
01:49:46,090 --> 01:49:47,579
- What was the charge?

2620
01:49:47,580 --> 01:49:48,580
- Homicide.

2621
01:49:52,173 --> 01:49:53,005
- Are you now...

2622
01:49:53,006 --> 01:49:54,638
You served the complete sentence, are you on parole?

2623
01:49:54,639 --> 01:49:56,760
- I'm still on parole for four years.

2624
01:50:04,316 --> 01:50:05,148
- Did you manage to pick up

2625
01:50:05,149 --> 01:50:06,946
any special training or anything like that?

2626
01:50:06,947 --> 01:50:07,870
- Well...

2627
01:50:07,871 --> 01:50:08,969
Yes, tailoring.

2628
01:50:11,209 --> 01:50:14,340
My first few years in prison, I picked up tailoring,

2629
01:50:15,478 --> 01:50:18,370
but I'm not that well, you know, skilled in tailoring

2630
01:50:19,454 --> 01:50:22,107
due to the fact that I dropped it, you know.

2631
01:50:22,108 --> 01:50:23,239
I have to brush up on it.

2632
01:50:23,240 --> 01:50:26,968
- So what happens is we send you over today

2633
01:50:26,969 --> 01:50:29,267
to the rep office, that'll be this morning, right from here,

2634
01:50:29,268 --> 01:50:32,599
and first you're seen by somebody from the New York state

2635
01:50:32,600 --> 01:50:35,839
employment service, because they would have full time jobs,

2636
01:50:35,840 --> 01:50:37,429
and certainly if you can get a full time job,

2637
01:50:37,430 --> 01:50:39,809
that would be anything that rep would offer.

2638
01:50:42,370 --> 01:50:44,739
If they don't have a full time job,

2639
01:50:44,740 --> 01:50:46,138
or it looks as though they are not going to have one

2640
01:50:46,139 --> 01:50:50,219
very soon, then they forward you to the rep,

2641
01:50:52,317 --> 01:50:53,150
and you'll have another person,

2642
01:50:53,151 --> 01:50:55,968
like another case worker, who will again

2643
01:50:55,969 --> 01:50:57,369
ask about your employment background

2644
01:50:57,370 --> 01:50:59,770
and see if they've got anything that looks good.

2645
01:51:01,327 --> 01:51:04,239
It's very important to get the phone number of that person,

2646
01:51:04,240 --> 01:51:05,669
because just in case let's say you're unable

2647
01:51:05,670 --> 01:51:08,190
to keep an appointment or something,

2648
01:51:10,460 --> 01:51:11,539
they right away start telling me to close the case,

2649
01:51:11,540 --> 01:51:12,540
you know?

2650
01:51:13,573 --> 01:51:14,629
And this is one of the problems that you might have.

2651
01:51:14,630 --> 01:51:17,099
So in general I'm also going to give you my phone number

2652
01:51:17,100 --> 01:51:19,100
because I'm going to have your case here

2653
01:51:20,902 --> 01:51:23,799
so that, I mean, if some complication comes up,

2654
01:51:23,800 --> 01:51:27,909
right away call so that there won't be any misunderstanding,

2655
01:51:27,910 --> 01:51:28,743
because it's much easier to you know,

2656
01:51:28,744 --> 01:51:30,889
settle things out before they happen.

2657
01:52:12,443 --> 01:52:14,550
- I've been a supervisor since 1966,

2658
01:52:16,681 --> 01:52:17,514
and I see people who've been supervisors since 1969

2659
01:52:17,515 --> 01:52:20,169
who are getting all the very best jobs,

2660
01:52:20,170 --> 01:52:21,340
and I don't like it.

2661
01:52:23,605 --> 01:52:24,540
- Who has the best job?

2662
01:52:24,541 --> 01:52:26,659
- Well, and she's frozen and no one can touch her.

2663
01:52:26,660 --> 01:52:30,940
You take this woman here, she's pleading hardship.

2664
01:52:33,005 --> 01:52:35,339
You take Mr. Morris, he's pleading union delegate,

2665
01:52:35,340 --> 01:52:36,173
he can't be moved.

2666
01:52:36,173 --> 01:52:37,005
- She's a union delegate.

2667
01:52:37,005 --> 01:52:37,839
- Right, that's what I'm saying,

2668
01:52:37,840 --> 01:52:39,040
and they pull super seniority.

2669
01:52:40,615 --> 01:52:42,590
So by the time they finish I have no seniority at all,

2670
01:52:42,591 --> 01:52:45,537
because everybody else is going,

2671
01:52:45,538 --> 01:52:46,371
you take Susteel who should've been out of here

2672
01:52:46,371 --> 01:52:47,204
and she's pleading hardship.

2673
01:52:47,205 --> 01:52:48,650
Well it's more hardship for me.

2674
01:52:49,982 --> 01:52:51,859
- She is a sick woman, she had a...

2675
01:52:51,860 --> 01:52:52,693
- I have to come from New Jersey,

2676
01:52:52,693 --> 01:52:53,526
what are you talking about?

2677
01:52:53,526 --> 01:52:54,359
I get up at 5:30 every morning,

2678
01:52:54,359 --> 01:52:55,250
and spend a lot of money,

2679
01:52:55,251 --> 01:52:56,555
I spend more money to get to this job

2680
01:52:56,556 --> 01:52:57,629
than anybody else on staff.

2681
01:52:57,630 --> 01:53:01,849
You wouldn't believe it the money I spend

2682
01:53:01,850 --> 01:53:03,589
to get to this job.

2683
01:53:03,590 --> 01:53:04,590
That's right.

2684
01:53:05,360 --> 01:53:06,193
Whether I come by train, whether I come by my personal car

2685
01:53:06,194 --> 01:53:09,946
or what, it's very expensive to come from New Jersey.

2686
01:53:09,947 --> 01:53:14,030
- At one time the department didn't have

2687
01:53:15,152 --> 01:53:17,269
anybody on the staff who lived out of state, you know that?

2688
01:53:17,270 --> 01:53:18,569
- Don't give me about out of state.

2689
01:53:18,570 --> 01:53:20,192
I've been on...

2690
01:53:20,193 --> 01:53:23,289
When I first came to the department I lived in New York.

2691
01:53:23,290 --> 01:53:24,889
Not only did I live in New York,

2692
01:53:26,212 --> 01:53:27,460
I was a home owner in New York,

2693
01:53:28,344 --> 01:53:33,344
having a house 60 by 100 at 1144500 79th Street St. Albans.

2694
01:53:33,710 --> 01:53:36,361
A very wealthy section, right?

2695
01:53:40,222 --> 01:53:41,055
Now, I own property in New York.

2696
01:53:41,056 --> 01:53:43,379
I'm entitled to work in New York

2697
01:53:43,380 --> 01:53:44,539
and lived there for many many years.

2698
01:53:44,540 --> 01:53:45,540
- I know that, I...

2699
01:53:46,334 --> 01:53:47,300
- The reason I went to Newark was because

2700
01:53:47,300 --> 01:53:48,159
my stepfather died and he left my mother

2701
01:53:48,160 --> 01:53:49,238
all alone in the house.

2702
01:53:49,239 --> 01:53:51,779
So I went to live with her.

2703
01:53:51,780 --> 01:53:55,888
When she died, the house came to me by inheritance.

2704
01:53:55,889 --> 01:53:58,539
What am I gonna do, throw the house in the street?

2705
01:53:58,540 --> 01:53:59,946
Right?

2706
01:53:59,947 --> 01:54:01,308
- Well if you have any grievance,

2707
01:54:01,309 --> 01:54:02,142
why don't you discuss it with Stanley?

2708
01:54:02,143 --> 01:54:05,122
- It's useless to discuss with Stanley, he his favorites.

2709
01:54:05,123 --> 01:54:06,857
Just like before.

2710
01:54:06,858 --> 01:54:08,817
I should've gotten the...

2711
01:54:08,818 --> 01:54:10,938
I should have bene the supervisor for general service

2712
01:54:11,388 --> 01:54:13,164
because I had the seniority, I had the training,

2713
01:54:13,165 --> 01:54:14,459
I've had the courses,

2714
01:54:14,460 --> 01:54:16,779
I've been to four of them, I've had casework one,

2715
01:54:16,780 --> 01:54:19,439
casework two, personality and behavior one,

2716
01:54:19,440 --> 01:54:20,802
personality and behavior two,

2717
01:54:20,803 --> 01:54:23,430
administration and juvenile delinquency.

2718
01:54:24,550 --> 01:54:25,383
Now that fits me for something,

2719
01:54:25,384 --> 01:54:26,539
I haven't been just sitting on my rear

2720
01:54:26,540 --> 01:54:28,718
not keeping abreast of the times.

2721
01:54:28,719 --> 01:54:29,950
I've always kept up.

2722
01:54:31,420 --> 01:54:33,689
And I think I deserve better than the kind of fair shuffle

2723
01:54:33,690 --> 01:54:36,210
that I've been getting here in this welfare department.

2724
01:54:37,534 --> 01:54:38,619
Because this man is a czar and he's going to put in

2725
01:54:38,620 --> 01:54:40,882
who he wants to put in.

2726
01:54:40,883 --> 01:54:41,716
- Why don't you discuss it with him?

2727
01:54:41,716 --> 01:54:42,549
- That's all.

2728
01:54:42,549 --> 01:54:43,382
What's there to discuss?

2729
01:54:43,383 --> 01:54:44,980
- Why are you taking it out on me?

2730
01:54:46,340 --> 01:54:48,406
- Because you called me in.

2731
01:54:48,407 --> 01:54:49,759
And that's why I resorted to CO,

2732
01:54:49,760 --> 01:54:52,138
because I figured they must have some kind of job down there

2733
01:54:52,139 --> 01:54:55,231
even if it's no more than interviewing people for

2734
01:54:55,232 --> 01:54:57,232
maybe jobs in the department or whatnot,

2735
01:54:58,639 --> 01:54:59,718
because I can do interviewing and whatnot.

2736
01:54:59,719 --> 01:55:01,630
- So you're forgetting about this memo?

2737
01:55:05,943 --> 01:55:07,731
- If Mr. Sullivan wants to speak to me, you know,

2738
01:55:07,732 --> 01:55:08,692
you can tell him that this came through

2739
01:55:08,693 --> 01:55:11,249
and that Miss Hightell would like to see him

2740
01:55:11,250 --> 01:55:12,550
in reference to this memo.

2741
01:55:14,869 --> 01:55:16,749
Before I have to resort to grievance machinery.

2742
01:55:36,650 --> 01:55:38,650
- Listen, I didn't hear anything further

2743
01:55:39,750 --> 01:55:40,990
on Frank Curtis Rossa.

2744
01:55:43,219 --> 01:55:44,839
Because he was going to legal aid

2745
01:55:44,840 --> 01:55:46,979
or, one or the other.

2746
01:55:46,980 --> 01:55:48,460
So if you should get a call,

2747
01:55:49,666 --> 01:55:51,210
the big question is, who is he?

2748
01:55:52,670 --> 01:55:54,369
- Getting assistance under phony names.

2749
01:55:54,370 --> 01:55:55,570
- Three different names.

2750
01:55:56,537 --> 01:55:58,637
We don't know, and each one uses the other

2751
01:56:00,010 --> 01:56:02,240
as the landlord in the particular case,

2752
01:56:03,375 --> 01:56:04,695
so if he's being evicted, who is evicting who?

2753
01:56:04,696 --> 01:56:07,070
- I spoke to the investing officer.

2754
01:56:07,965 --> 01:56:08,798
- He's evicting himself.

2755
01:56:08,799 --> 01:56:10,510
- We had him arrested the other day.

2756
01:56:12,137 --> 01:56:13,257
He had a record a mile long.

2757
01:56:14,303 --> 01:56:15,136
- Yeah, he had a big record.

2758
01:56:15,136 --> 01:56:15,969
- Big record.

2759
01:56:15,969 --> 01:56:16,802
You know, he doesn't fear getting busted.

2760
01:56:16,803 --> 01:56:17,829
He doesn't fear getting busted.

2761
01:56:17,830 --> 01:56:18,830
- No.

2762
01:56:19,619 --> 01:56:21,156
All these guys.

2763
01:56:21,157 --> 01:56:22,080
It's a normal routine of things.

2764
01:56:22,081 --> 01:56:23,259
They're not excited about it.

2765
01:56:23,260 --> 01:56:24,240
- He was excited about it.

2766
01:56:24,241 --> 01:56:25,880
- Nah, it doesn't bother them.

2767
01:56:27,546 --> 01:56:28,379
They're accustomed to it.

2768
01:56:28,380 --> 01:56:29,849
Anyway, I'm only letting you know this.

2769
01:56:29,850 --> 01:56:31,863
The case the other day, you should get a call.

2770
01:56:31,864 --> 01:56:35,109
But the big problem is, who is who?

2771
01:56:35,110 --> 01:56:36,610
We don't know who the man is,

2772
01:56:38,469 --> 01:56:39,302
we don't know that he...

2773
01:56:39,302 --> 01:56:40,135
- Well I called out Jack Williams

2774
01:56:40,136 --> 01:56:41,307
and he answered to Jack Williams.

2775
01:56:41,308 --> 01:56:42,709
- All right.

2776
01:56:42,710 --> 01:56:44,269
Now it's Curtis Rossa.

2777
01:56:44,270 --> 01:56:45,870
There's another guy, Jack Haiga.

2778
01:56:48,607 --> 01:56:50,439
Well this is why I put it in each record.

2779
01:56:50,440 --> 01:56:52,308
Besides, we don't have the record of this one.

2780
01:56:52,309 --> 01:56:53,839
- Now hold on, Jack, Jack.

2781
01:56:53,840 --> 01:56:56,179
He answered, you know, and he came over.

2782
01:56:56,180 --> 01:56:59,029
- Anyway, this attorney has all the records anyway, so,

2783
01:56:59,030 --> 01:57:01,739
We take no action until this is disposed of by the court.

2784
01:57:01,740 --> 01:57:04,349
- How stupid can he be to come in today?

2785
01:57:04,350 --> 01:57:05,979
Over here, he knows the...

2786
01:57:05,980 --> 01:57:07,760
- They have hutzpah to the end.

2787
01:57:09,809 --> 01:57:10,643
- You knocked him up and he still came in again

2788
01:57:10,644 --> 01:57:13,289
for his welfare check.

2789
01:57:13,290 --> 01:57:14,750
- What's he got to lose?

2790
01:57:17,335 --> 01:57:19,165
- Unbelievable.

2791
01:57:19,166 --> 01:57:20,249
I'll see you.

2792
01:57:49,565 --> 01:57:50,398
- I was here Friday, I was too late for this,

2793
01:57:50,399 --> 01:57:54,171
and she told me to come back to get

2794
01:57:54,172 --> 01:57:56,338
for tomorrow maybe.

2795
01:57:56,339 --> 01:57:57,966
It was too late to go upstairs, they were closed.

2796
01:57:57,967 --> 01:58:00,341
- It's on Thursday.

2797
01:58:00,342 --> 01:58:01,175
- It was Friday.

2798
01:58:01,176 --> 01:58:04,537
- No, you're supposed to get it in the mail.

2799
01:58:04,538 --> 01:58:06,819
You were supposed to bring it to me this morning, Mister.

2800
01:58:12,023 --> 01:58:13,084
I'll give you one for tomorrow.

2801
01:58:13,085 --> 01:58:15,835
- That's what you said on Friday.

2802
01:58:53,171 --> 01:58:54,698
- That is my food block, right?

2803
01:58:54,699 --> 01:58:56,385
- That's correct.

2804
01:58:56,386 --> 01:58:57,569
- I get $42 for food, okay?

2805
01:58:57,570 --> 01:58:58,570
Now if...

2806
01:59:00,987 --> 01:59:01,821
Is that all the money I'm gonna get?

2807
01:59:01,822 --> 01:59:02,899
- That's correct, they will not pay the rent.

2808
01:59:02,900 --> 01:59:03,900
- That's it?

2809
01:59:05,439 --> 01:59:06,584
All right.

2810
01:59:06,585 --> 01:59:07,419
Now when it goes to getting my...

2811
01:59:07,419 --> 01:59:08,252
- Unemployment.

2812
01:59:08,252 --> 01:59:09,085
- Yeah, unemployment.

2813
01:59:09,085 --> 01:59:09,918
- They take that into account.

2814
01:59:09,919 --> 01:59:11,039
- Are they gonna deduct that figure?

2815
01:59:11,040 --> 01:59:11,873
- Yes, yes.

2816
01:59:11,873 --> 01:59:12,706
- They're gonna deduct.

2817
01:59:12,707 --> 01:59:15,261
- In other words, if you get $25 a week unemployment,

2818
01:59:15,262 --> 01:59:18,179
which is the minimum, that's $50 every two weeks,

2819
01:59:18,180 --> 01:59:20,674
which is in excess of our budget,

2820
01:59:20,675 --> 01:59:22,795
in which case they would close your case immediately.

2821
01:59:23,889 --> 01:59:26,441
- So the maximum allotment I can get approximately right now

2822
01:59:26,442 --> 01:59:27,389
from you coupled with unemployment

2823
01:59:27,390 --> 01:59:29,306
is about $50 a week.

2824
01:59:29,307 --> 01:59:30,779
As you see it?

2825
01:59:30,780 --> 01:59:31,612
- No, less.

2826
01:59:31,612 --> 01:59:32,446
No no no no no.

2827
01:59:32,447 --> 01:59:34,729
- I'm trying to find out the figure that I get.

2828
01:59:34,730 --> 01:59:35,929
- They won't pay this rent.

2829
01:59:35,930 --> 01:59:37,388
See, in the event that you were to find an apartment

2830
01:59:37,389 --> 01:59:39,373
for $150...

2831
01:59:39,374 --> 01:59:40,779
- Wait a minute, wait a minute, okay.

2832
01:59:40,780 --> 01:59:42,480
Now all I care about is

2833
01:59:44,208 --> 01:59:45,196
if I had $150 instead of $175,

2834
01:59:45,197 --> 01:59:46,939
you're telling me they would pay it?

2835
01:59:46,940 --> 01:59:48,339
- Right, okay, let's assume it was $150.

2836
01:59:48,340 --> 01:59:49,649
- All right, now.

2837
01:59:49,650 --> 01:59:51,400
Because they won't consider,

2838
01:59:52,414 --> 01:59:54,254
they won't put a maximum limit on that and say

2839
01:59:54,574 --> 01:59:55,407
ah, this is, you know,

2840
01:59:55,408 --> 01:59:57,359
we will treat this as $150 and the rest she has to make up.

2841
01:59:57,360 --> 01:59:59,855
- They can't do that, that's all.

2842
01:59:59,856 --> 02:00:02,565
- Well then what am I supposed to...

2843
02:00:02,566 --> 02:00:03,399
I'm supposed to relocate?

2844
02:00:03,400 --> 02:00:05,068
- That's correct.

2845
02:00:05,069 --> 02:00:05,902
This isn't my...

2846
02:00:05,902 --> 02:00:06,735
- That's insane, all right.

2847
02:00:06,736 --> 02:00:08,520
- Be that as it may, that's, okay...

2848
02:00:08,521 --> 02:00:09,909
- I want to find out how I get

2849
02:00:09,910 --> 02:00:11,969
that maximum allotment for $150.

2850
02:00:11,970 --> 02:00:14,620
- You would have to live an apartment for $150.

2851
02:00:16,572 --> 02:00:18,061
They will not allow you to live in an apartment for more

2852
02:00:18,062 --> 02:00:19,750
and only pay partial.

2853
02:00:20,997 --> 02:00:22,660
That's not legal.

2854
02:00:22,661 --> 02:00:25,561
That's, you know, this is the city or actually state will,

2855
02:00:27,508 --> 02:00:28,341
they allow only a certain amount per person.

2856
02:00:28,342 --> 02:00:30,379
- How do you contest it?

2857
02:00:30,380 --> 02:00:31,769
- You file for a fair hearing.

2858
02:00:31,770 --> 02:00:32,603
- Okay.

2859
02:00:32,603 --> 02:00:33,603
That's insane.

2860
02:00:34,644 --> 02:00:37,817
- So your beef is not with me, the beef is with the law.

2861
02:00:37,818 --> 02:00:42,079
Now the law that I'm citing you, that I'm telling you,

2862
02:00:42,080 --> 02:00:46,240
is that the rent allotment

2863
02:00:48,689 --> 02:00:49,689
for one person

2864
02:00:51,800 --> 02:00:56,429
may not exceed $150.

2865
02:00:56,430 --> 02:00:58,309
This is state law, and this is what your beef is,

2866
02:00:58,310 --> 02:01:01,239
you wish to either question my...

2867
02:01:01,240 --> 02:01:03,880
- No, I wish to get that $150, period.

2868
02:01:04,950 --> 02:01:07,594
- Then you would have to go and, you know,

2869
02:01:07,595 --> 02:01:08,595
that's what it is.

2870
02:01:09,894 --> 02:01:10,727
Your contention is you're entitled to that,

2871
02:01:10,728 --> 02:01:11,999
you're willing to make up the difference.

2872
02:01:12,000 --> 02:01:12,833
- Yeah.

2873
02:01:12,833 --> 02:01:13,666
- And what I'm contending is that

2874
02:01:13,667 --> 02:01:15,880
it's not, you know, they're not gonna go for that,

2875
02:01:17,149 --> 02:01:18,808
you can ask them, that's what they're there for.

2876
02:01:18,832 --> 02:01:20,680
Okay?

2877
02:01:23,731 --> 02:01:24,688
- I don't know.

2878
02:01:24,689 --> 02:01:26,924
Well, it just seems if you work

2879
02:01:26,925 --> 02:01:29,699
and if your rent is over a certain amount,

2880
02:01:29,700 --> 02:01:30,700
you have the problem.

2881
02:01:31,550 --> 02:01:33,579
- Established in 1937.

2882
02:01:33,580 --> 02:01:35,790
Ain't a thing but old charity.

2883
02:01:38,313 --> 02:01:39,313
- What?

2884
02:01:46,061 --> 02:01:47,061
- Thanks a lot.

2885
02:01:52,540 --> 02:01:53,540
- It has to be the sixth.

2886
02:01:55,211 --> 02:01:56,044
Okay?

2887
02:01:56,044 --> 02:01:56,877
- Thank you.

2888
02:01:56,878 --> 02:01:58,660
- Okay, you're welcome.

2889
02:01:59,495 --> 02:02:00,577
I don't know.

2890
02:02:06,235 --> 02:02:07,235
- 26.

2891
02:02:24,367 --> 02:02:25,200
- You don't have no place to live?

2892
02:02:25,201 --> 02:02:26,530
- No, I have no place to live.

2893
02:02:29,457 --> 02:02:31,045
That's why I'm here by the welfare now,

2894
02:02:31,046 --> 02:02:32,334
to see that I get me a place to live

2895
02:02:32,335 --> 02:02:35,590
so I can live like a decent human being, you know?

2896
02:02:38,298 --> 02:02:39,978
Not because I feel like I have a right to.

2897
02:02:42,819 --> 02:02:44,819
But I think when you be in this country,

2898
02:02:46,020 --> 02:02:47,069
I think you have a right to

2899
02:02:47,070 --> 02:02:49,130
if you're American or they're not.

2900
02:02:51,650 --> 02:02:52,989
And I believe in that, you know.

2901
02:02:52,990 --> 02:02:55,670
I think this country is a good country

2902
02:02:57,446 --> 02:02:58,729
who really would like to help, you know?

2903
02:02:58,730 --> 02:03:01,130
But right now they don't know about me.

2904
02:03:03,609 --> 02:03:04,819
So I have to go there and find out,

2905
02:03:04,820 --> 02:03:06,670
because when you got here on a plane,

2906
02:03:12,948 --> 02:03:13,781
they not declare you for crazy,

2907
02:03:13,782 --> 02:03:15,083
but eh, you never can tell with the doctors

2908
02:03:15,084 --> 02:03:17,420
what they might find, you know.

2909
02:03:17,421 --> 02:03:21,590
I mean I don't

2910
02:03:21,591 --> 02:03:23,201
knife and the ax, you know?

2911
02:03:23,202 --> 02:03:24,035
I'm not that crazy yet.

2912
02:03:24,036 --> 02:03:26,081
But I'm a nice guy, you know.

2913
02:03:26,082 --> 02:03:29,407
I just want to be in the fairly good conditions

2914
02:03:29,408 --> 02:03:31,810
like any person has the right to, you know.

2915
02:03:33,482 --> 02:03:34,390
So.

2916
02:03:34,391 --> 02:03:37,143
Although if they don't like me anymore,

2917
02:03:37,144 --> 02:03:39,061
I guess they have to send me back to Germany.

2918
02:03:39,062 --> 02:03:40,502
But I don't think they will do that,

2919
02:03:41,141 --> 02:03:42,539
because I am too long in this country.

2920
02:03:42,540 --> 02:03:44,059
So.

2921
02:03:44,060 --> 02:03:46,110
So they don't want to send me to Germany,

2922
02:03:47,878 --> 02:03:49,278
and they don't me to give any here.

2923
02:03:49,846 --> 02:03:50,679
See.

2924
02:03:50,680 --> 02:03:52,520
I think I better look for a nice tree to hang.

2925
02:03:53,800 --> 02:03:55,880
That must be a nice good hanging place, you know?

2926
02:03:57,183 --> 02:03:58,570
But it's got a little short down in here

2927
02:03:58,571 --> 02:04:00,037
when you're getting any air.

2928
02:04:00,038 --> 02:04:00,871
Oh oh, that's.

2929
02:04:00,872 --> 02:04:03,029
- But that'll only last for a few moments

2930
02:04:03,030 --> 02:04:04,030
if you choose that way.

2931
02:04:04,031 --> 02:04:06,839
- Mm, well, it'll only last for a few moments,

2932
02:04:06,840 --> 02:04:09,820
but it takes a long time to be down there and dead.

2933
02:04:11,241 --> 02:04:12,074
- Oh sure, a long time...

2934
02:04:12,075 --> 02:04:13,269
- You never come up there.

2935
02:04:13,270 --> 02:04:14,590
You never come back again.

2936
02:04:16,286 --> 02:04:18,430
You'll just be down there forever,

2937
02:04:20,085 --> 02:04:20,918
and that's the way that goes.

2938
02:04:20,919 --> 02:04:22,590
And I guess everybody has that luck too.

2939
02:04:24,714 --> 02:04:25,547
I think so.

2940
02:04:25,548 --> 02:04:26,590
I'm positively sure of it.

2941
02:04:28,530 --> 02:04:30,420
'Cause everybody has to die, you know?

2942
02:04:31,492 --> 02:04:33,969
There's nothing you or me can do about it.

2943
02:04:33,970 --> 02:04:35,020
It just comes around.

2944
02:04:36,194 --> 02:04:37,027
'Cause see god is not a man like the social service,

2945
02:04:37,028 --> 02:04:39,750
you know?

2946
02:04:41,938 --> 02:04:44,247
He doesn't come around and say well, this man is poor,

2947
02:04:44,248 --> 02:04:45,888
let's give him a couple of hundred bucks.

2948
02:04:46,173 --> 02:04:48,223
No, he only helps you when he feels like,

2949
02:04:49,943 --> 02:04:50,776
and sometimes, he...

2950
02:04:50,776 --> 02:04:51,730
- Sometimes he does.

2951
02:04:51,731 --> 02:04:54,229
- He wants you to die too, oh yeah,

2952
02:04:54,230 --> 02:04:56,751
and there's nothing you can do about it

2953
02:04:56,752 --> 02:05:01,089
because he is god, he made the human being, right?

2954
02:05:01,090 --> 02:05:03,129
And he can do what he feels like, you know?

2955
02:05:03,130 --> 02:05:06,659
And there's nothing anybody can do about it.

2956
02:05:06,660 --> 02:05:08,609
Even Jesus Christ, you know?

2957
02:05:08,610 --> 02:05:10,762
You ask him, he would say well,

2958
02:05:10,763 --> 02:05:13,490
you're not, you have to die,

2959
02:05:15,548 --> 02:05:18,159
because you cannot fool around with god that much.

2960
02:05:18,160 --> 02:05:19,920
You have to be all the time good.

2961
02:05:21,720 --> 02:05:25,279
Well, once in a while you can be bad and he forgive you.

2962
02:05:25,280 --> 02:05:26,784
- Once in a while.

2963
02:05:26,785 --> 02:05:28,179
- Oh yeah, he forgive you, you know?

2964
02:05:28,180 --> 02:05:31,992
But you better not do something real bad.

2965
02:05:31,993 --> 02:05:34,110
Then he says all right,

2966
02:05:36,120 --> 02:05:38,830
down in hell you go, and you never come back.

2967
02:05:40,587 --> 02:05:42,787
- But you've been a pretty good man, haven't you?

2968
02:05:43,205 --> 02:05:45,359
- Well, but right now when you ask me...

2969
02:05:45,360 --> 02:05:46,193
- You wonder.

2970
02:05:46,194 --> 02:05:47,710
- How do you feel in your head?

2971
02:05:49,555 --> 02:05:52,640
I said well, I don't feel like going to a nut house,

2972
02:05:55,929 --> 02:05:57,569
but I wish I could see a doctor.

2973
02:05:57,570 --> 02:05:59,250
Maybe I could go to a hospital.

2974
02:06:00,796 --> 02:06:01,629
- Maybe welfare can help you see a doctor.

2975
02:06:01,630 --> 02:06:04,057
- Yeah, maybe they'll send me to a hospital, you know,

2976
02:06:04,058 --> 02:06:06,149
and I get treated by a doctor, you know?

2977
02:06:06,150 --> 02:06:07,243
Maybe it is something wrong from an accident I had,

2978
02:06:07,244 --> 02:06:09,389
you know?

2979
02:06:09,390 --> 02:06:10,889
I don't know.

2980
02:06:10,890 --> 02:06:11,890
I just walk around.

2981
02:06:13,110 --> 02:06:15,540
One time I went downtown, I blacked out.

2982
02:06:16,521 --> 02:06:18,527
- You walked all the way downtown?

2983
02:06:18,528 --> 02:06:21,119
- They stole from me $50, two packs of cigarettes,

2984
02:06:21,120 --> 02:06:23,809
my driver's license, everything is gone.

2985
02:06:23,810 --> 02:06:25,780
The only proof I have is

2986
02:06:28,300 --> 02:06:29,850
my passport from Germany,

2987
02:06:30,907 --> 02:06:32,510
that's all what they could really get.

2988
02:06:33,651 --> 02:06:35,371
But I got an American license in there too.

2989
02:06:36,408 --> 02:06:37,658
- And how old is your passport?

2990
02:06:37,659 --> 02:06:38,492
I imagine it's...

2991
02:06:38,493 --> 02:06:40,810
- Oh, it's still good until '76.

2992
02:06:42,020 --> 02:06:43,242
- Until '76.

2993
02:06:43,243 --> 02:06:44,326
- Yeah.

2994
02:06:51,640 --> 02:06:53,050
- Antonio Sanchez.

2995
02:07:23,010 --> 02:07:24,329
- Constance Jackson, Constance Jackson.

2996
02:07:24,330 --> 02:07:27,440
Jackson.

2997
02:07:33,580 --> 02:07:34,590
Franciso Supilvia.

2998
02:07:42,370 --> 02:07:43,370
- Lilian?

2999
02:07:48,700 --> 02:07:49,760
Mary Corman.

3000
02:07:51,531 --> 02:07:52,531
Mary Corman.

3001
02:08:00,245 --> 02:08:01,579
Check it Miss Corman to see if it's correct.

3002
02:08:01,580 --> 02:08:03,646
Because she's pregnant doesn't mean

3003
02:08:03,647 --> 02:08:04,480
she automatically gets welfare,

3004
02:08:04,481 --> 02:08:06,252
she has to answer a few questions,

3005
02:08:06,253 --> 02:08:08,453
and that's what was happening when she got up and left.

3006
02:08:08,909 --> 02:08:13,270
- But she's been pregnant since, see, since October of...

3007
02:08:15,953 --> 02:08:17,289
Somewhere along the line, either Waverly or lower Manhattan

3008
02:08:17,290 --> 02:08:19,540
or not understanding the problem.

3009
02:08:20,469 --> 02:08:22,019
The immediate problem for her is food for her baby, right?

3010
02:08:22,020 --> 02:08:24,380
- If she's eligible, she has to be eligible,

3011
02:08:25,584 --> 02:08:26,674
and we want a few questions answered,

3012
02:08:26,675 --> 02:08:28,059
and in the middle of the interview she got up and left.

3013
02:08:28,060 --> 02:08:30,390
Now what do you want me to do?

3014
02:08:31,417 --> 02:08:33,296
- I want you to give her food for her baby, right?

3015
02:08:33,297 --> 02:08:35,369
- She has to be eligible before she gets food for the baby.

3016
02:08:35,370 --> 02:08:38,449
- But she is eligible, she showed you a prenatal form.

3017
02:08:38,450 --> 02:08:40,000
- Okay, so someone is pregnant,

3018
02:08:41,264 --> 02:08:42,097
they just come into welfare and get money?

3019
02:08:42,098 --> 02:08:43,499
Is that in the rulebook now?

3020
02:08:43,500 --> 02:08:46,849
I must be missing something, 'cause I've never seen it.

3021
02:08:46,850 --> 02:08:48,350
- Well you show me in writing,

3022
02:08:49,230 --> 02:08:52,324
you show me in writing that she's not eligible,

3023
02:08:52,325 --> 02:08:53,158
why isn't she eligible?

3024
02:08:53,159 --> 02:08:55,551
- Who's showed you in writing that she's not eligible?

3025
02:08:55,552 --> 02:08:56,385
- What?

3026
02:08:56,386 --> 02:08:57,970
- What are you talking about,

3027
02:08:57,971 --> 02:08:58,804
what do you mean she's not eligible?

3028
02:08:58,805 --> 02:08:59,882
- You say that she's ineligible,

3029
02:08:59,883 --> 02:09:01,673
you show me why she's not eligible.

3030
02:09:01,674 --> 02:09:02,559
- Said she was being asked a few questions,

3031
02:09:02,560 --> 02:09:03,569
and in the middle of the interview...

3032
02:09:03,570 --> 02:09:04,403
- About her husband?

3033
02:09:04,404 --> 02:09:05,889
That's secondary, about her husband.

3034
02:09:05,890 --> 02:09:07,190
- Do you have a complaint?

3035
02:09:08,976 --> 02:09:09,809
- I have a complaint, yes.

3036
02:09:09,809 --> 02:09:10,780
- Well what do you want to do about it?

3037
02:09:10,781 --> 02:09:13,587
- Well what I want to do, if you can't answer for me,

3038
02:09:13,588 --> 02:09:15,281
I want somebody that can answer it for me, why you can't...

3039
02:09:15,282 --> 02:09:16,506
- Apply and be interviewed,

3040
02:09:16,507 --> 02:09:18,827
if she's willing to come back she'll be interviewed again.

3041
02:09:19,217 --> 02:09:20,050
- But why wasn't the interview finished?

3042
02:09:20,051 --> 02:09:21,439
- 'Cause she got up and left in the middle of the interview.

3043
02:09:21,440 --> 02:09:23,019
- Because you were asking her about her husband.

3044
02:09:23,020 --> 02:09:24,770
She wants food for her baby, right?

3045
02:09:27,190 --> 02:09:29,310
- The baby's not even born, how's the baby gonna eat?

3046
02:09:30,618 --> 02:09:33,939
- She needs food and she needs a layout and so forth.

3047
02:09:33,940 --> 02:09:36,209
According to the rules and regulations that I know of,

3048
02:09:36,210 --> 02:09:37,609
the first thing that's primary

3049
02:09:37,610 --> 02:09:39,399
is getting food for her baby, right?

3050
02:09:39,400 --> 02:09:41,550
Secondary is finding out about the husband,

3051
02:09:42,873 --> 02:09:43,706
as far as I'm concerned/

3052
02:09:43,707 --> 02:09:44,899
- Why...

3053
02:09:44,900 --> 02:09:46,649
- Now if you can't answer it, can you direct me

3054
02:09:46,650 --> 02:09:48,480
to somebody that can help her?

3055
02:09:49,520 --> 02:09:51,400
- Does the client want to be interviewed again?

3056
02:09:52,009 --> 02:09:53,459
- Well she'll have to wait until this worker's

3057
02:09:53,460 --> 02:09:54,293
able to call her again.

3058
02:09:54,294 --> 02:09:56,340
- Oh by the way, another thing happened,

3059
02:09:56,341 --> 02:09:58,141
on Friday she just saw her come in on Friday,

3060
02:09:59,621 --> 02:10:00,490
I came down here in person and got an interview for her,

3061
02:10:00,491 --> 02:10:03,531
and when she came in on Friday she was turned away,

3062
02:10:03,532 --> 02:10:04,365
she was turned away.

3063
02:10:04,366 --> 02:10:05,479
- In person and got an interview for her?

3064
02:10:05,480 --> 02:10:06,313
Was it...

3065
02:10:06,314 --> 02:10:07,919
- I came down here and I talked to the people at the desk

3066
02:10:07,920 --> 02:10:09,196
and they said that they would interview her on Friday.

3067
02:10:09,197 --> 02:10:11,589
She came in on Friday, they said we can't interview

3068
02:10:11,590 --> 02:10:13,190
because we're working on charts.

3069
02:10:15,113 --> 02:10:15,946
- Well this is the first time you've...

3070
02:10:15,947 --> 02:10:18,030
- I don't put clients through a hoop.

3071
02:10:20,839 --> 02:10:21,672
What?

3072
02:10:21,673 --> 02:10:23,233
- Are you assuming that we are?

3073
02:10:23,430 --> 02:10:25,308
- I assume that you are if you're interviewing her

3074
02:10:25,309 --> 02:10:29,509
and torturing her by asking about her husband and so forth...

3075
02:10:29,510 --> 02:10:31,937
- I don't think that's torture.

3076
02:10:31,938 --> 02:10:32,771
- I think it is.

3077
02:10:32,772 --> 02:10:34,015
- Oh.

3078
02:10:34,016 --> 02:10:35,346
Well I don't think it's torture to ask somebody...

3079
02:10:35,347 --> 02:10:37,760
- Well close to it, anyway.

3080
02:10:38,987 --> 02:10:39,820
But anyways, will you see her today?

3081
02:10:39,820 --> 02:10:40,653
- Why don't you have a seat in the waiting area

3082
02:10:40,654 --> 02:10:43,037
and when she's finished whatever she's doing,

3083
02:10:43,038 --> 02:10:43,871
and when she has nobody else to call,

3084
02:10:43,871 --> 02:10:44,704
she'll call her again,

3085
02:10:44,705 --> 02:10:46,590
but she's gotta go through all these slips.

3086
02:10:47,873 --> 02:10:48,988
'Cause she left in the middle of her interview.

3087
02:10:48,989 --> 02:10:50,948
When she's finished with all these slips

3088
02:10:50,949 --> 02:10:55,730
she'll then call the client back, okay?

3089
02:10:57,068 --> 02:10:58,770
- You know, keep as firm as you can,

3090
02:11:00,527 --> 02:11:01,899
and I'll try to find out, I'm gonna try to get

3091
02:11:01,900 --> 02:11:03,890
a social worker to call downtown

3092
02:11:05,645 --> 02:11:06,478
to find out what's happening,

3093
02:11:06,479 --> 02:11:08,164
because yours is a special case,

3094
02:11:08,165 --> 02:11:09,605
you're the first case that I know of

3095
02:11:11,457 --> 02:11:12,290
in which you're in the federal system

3096
02:11:12,291 --> 02:11:14,339
and you're pregnant and you're gonna have a baby, you know,

3097
02:11:14,340 --> 02:11:16,469
and somewhere along the line,

3098
02:11:16,470 --> 02:11:18,860
you have to receive money for that unborn child,

3099
02:11:20,213 --> 02:11:22,880
and in the past, ADC mothers were given

3100
02:11:28,518 --> 02:11:29,351
allowances four months after they're pregnant.

3101
02:11:29,351 --> 02:11:30,184
Now you're being denied this,

3102
02:11:30,185 --> 02:11:31,379
and I want to find out the reason why.

3103
02:11:31,380 --> 02:11:32,696
So just be a little calm and if they come up to you

3104
02:11:32,697 --> 02:11:36,629
and say that they can't do anything for you today,

3105
02:11:36,630 --> 02:11:39,150
come up and see me, and meanwhile I'll try calling

3106
02:11:42,636 --> 02:11:43,469
the prenatal clinic at...

3107
02:11:43,470 --> 02:11:46,046
- I think you're too late because they went to lunch

3108
02:11:46,047 --> 02:11:46,880
and like she's taking a long time,

3109
02:11:46,880 --> 02:11:47,713
she's got about six to eight people before she's, you know,

3110
02:11:47,714 --> 02:11:49,260
call me again.

3111
02:11:51,378 --> 02:11:52,211
And that'll be around 4:00.

3112
02:11:52,212 --> 02:11:55,014
- Well I'm gonna call Mr. Ing again and find out

3113
02:11:55,015 --> 02:11:55,848
what we can get you, you know, a little ahead of time.

3114
02:11:55,849 --> 02:11:57,500
Try to be patient, okay?

3115
02:11:59,051 --> 02:11:59,884
And I'll do my best.

3116
02:11:59,884 --> 02:12:00,834
- All right, thank you very much.

3117
02:12:00,835 --> 02:12:02,890
- You're welcome.

3118
02:12:04,263 --> 02:12:05,096
- Hello.

3119
02:12:05,097 --> 02:12:08,609
Could Mr. Shupulski be seen there by our clients

3120
02:12:08,610 --> 02:12:09,730
to change the lease?

3121
02:12:10,858 --> 02:12:13,129
The client is Massandra Oppelheim.

3122
02:12:13,130 --> 02:12:14,770
All right, this is the problem,

3123
02:12:15,983 --> 02:12:18,259
Mrs. Rivera is the tenant that you have,

3124
02:12:18,260 --> 02:12:20,590
but Mrs. Rivera moved out October,

3125
02:12:22,686 --> 02:12:24,736
and our client is saying that her husband

3126
02:12:26,860 --> 02:12:27,860
from whom she's separated

3127
02:12:29,418 --> 02:12:30,251
got the apartment from his sister,

3128
02:12:30,252 --> 02:12:31,929
the landlord has not been informed of this,

3129
02:12:31,930 --> 02:12:33,520
I'm calling to inform him

3130
02:12:35,456 --> 02:12:37,856
and ask him if he'll put the lease in the name of Oppenheim.

3131
02:12:41,610 --> 02:12:43,920
I know this, but I'm asking you,

3132
02:12:46,238 --> 02:12:48,278
if I send her there can these arrangements be made?

3133
02:12:48,778 --> 02:12:49,611
- When is your appointment for Manpower

3134
02:12:49,612 --> 02:12:51,058
to get a physical examination?

3135
02:12:51,059 --> 02:12:51,893
- On the 20th.

3136
02:12:51,893 --> 02:12:52,726
- On the 20th.

3137
02:12:52,726 --> 02:12:53,559
- Of next month.

3138
02:12:53,559 --> 02:12:54,559
From here to then...

3139
02:12:56,031 --> 02:12:57,429
- When did you lose your job?

3140
02:12:57,430 --> 02:12:58,659
- About three days, two days ago,

3141
02:12:58,660 --> 02:13:00,629
she told me don't want to use me anymore.

3142
02:13:00,630 --> 02:13:01,590
She told me she's tired of me...

3143
02:13:01,591 --> 02:13:03,079
- In other words your situation has changed

3144
02:13:03,080 --> 02:13:04,389
since the last time you came here.

3145
02:13:04,390 --> 02:13:06,239
- Oh god, has it changed.

3146
02:13:06,240 --> 02:13:07,920
- Well then what do you think,

3147
02:13:09,852 --> 02:13:10,809
we're magic, that we guess at what your problems are?

3148
02:13:10,810 --> 02:13:12,519
- No, it's not the idea of you guessing,

3149
02:13:12,520 --> 02:13:15,789
it's the idea that you verbally promised my wife,

3150
02:13:15,790 --> 02:13:18,699
you told my wife don't worry, go home with your husband,

3151
02:13:18,700 --> 02:13:19,700
we're gonna give...

3152
02:13:21,483 --> 02:13:22,316
We're gonna send you a check by that amount

3153
02:13:22,317 --> 02:13:25,190
so you can be able to eat and this until you go to Manpower.

3154
02:13:26,678 --> 02:13:27,609
Now I turn around...

3155
02:13:27,610 --> 02:13:29,240
- Does the wife have an application?

3156
02:13:30,628 --> 02:13:31,669
- I don't know whether we checked it out.

3157
02:13:31,670 --> 02:13:33,153
- Check it out.

3158
02:13:33,154 --> 02:13:37,309
- We'll have to give an appointment for the interview today.

3159
02:13:38,931 --> 02:13:39,764
Give this fellow an appointment

3160
02:13:39,765 --> 02:13:41,290
for the interview group today.

3161
02:13:42,936 --> 02:13:44,340
No no, all right, all right.

3162
02:13:45,187 --> 02:13:47,020
Give him one now, because he's supposed to

3163
02:13:49,039 --> 02:13:51,520
see the interview group.

3164
02:13:51,521 --> 02:13:52,354
She'll give you an appointment.

3165
02:13:52,355 --> 02:13:54,675
Let me go over and talk to Elaine about it.

3166
02:13:54,676 --> 02:13:55,676
- Okay.

3167
02:14:08,194 --> 02:14:10,420
- You didn't get any part of your check?

3168
02:14:12,500 --> 02:14:16,120
Not the probation check either?

3169
02:14:25,971 --> 02:14:27,340
- When did he last get paid?

3170
02:14:27,341 --> 02:14:29,980
- I don't know, but you better call up the landlord

3171
02:14:29,981 --> 02:14:30,814
and find out whether this is actually so.

3172
02:14:30,815 --> 02:14:33,009
He said he lost it two or three days ago.

3173
02:14:33,010 --> 02:14:35,639
- Well he's not supposed to get paid until the 10th.

3174
02:14:35,640 --> 02:14:36,473
That's what she said...

3175
02:14:36,474 --> 02:14:38,080
- Well you better call up the landlord

3176
02:14:39,693 --> 02:14:40,527
and find out what it is

3177
02:14:40,527 --> 02:14:41,360
because if he doesn't have anything,

3178
02:14:41,360 --> 02:14:42,193
we'll have to give him something.

3179
02:14:42,194 --> 02:14:43,989
- And then Miss Robinson had called about that case

3180
02:14:43,990 --> 02:14:44,823
and I was going to...

3181
02:14:44,824 --> 02:14:47,380
- She mention it was my office?

3182
02:14:47,381 --> 02:14:48,214
- No.

3183
02:14:48,214 --> 02:14:49,047
- Well it's very strange that the social worker

3184
02:14:49,047 --> 02:14:49,880
didn't mention over the phone that he was laid off.

3185
02:14:49,881 --> 02:14:52,209
- Well, you better check it out anyway, because...

3186
02:14:52,210 --> 02:14:54,291
- Well, he has to be seen right now,

3187
02:14:54,292 --> 02:14:56,476
meanwhile I only have two or three workers in,

3188
02:14:56,477 --> 02:14:57,477
I need some workers.

3189
02:14:59,441 --> 02:15:01,291
And also she's leaving in half a day,

3190
02:15:02,273 --> 02:15:03,106
she's gotta go to disaster training or something.

3191
02:15:03,107 --> 02:15:04,979
- Who has to go to disaster training?

3192
02:15:04,980 --> 02:15:05,980
- Roz.

3193
02:15:06,965 --> 02:15:07,798
- What kind of disaster training?

3194
02:15:07,798 --> 02:15:08,631
- You know the thing where you go

3195
02:15:08,631 --> 02:15:09,510
every six months or something

3196
02:15:09,511 --> 02:15:12,019
in case there's a fire, flood or something.

3197
02:15:12,020 --> 02:15:12,853
- Well, we'll keep her here today,

3198
02:15:12,854 --> 02:15:15,585
she can find out some other time.

3199
02:15:15,586 --> 02:15:16,619
Well who does she have to go to see disaster...

3200
02:15:16,620 --> 02:15:18,029
- Roz, excuse me.

3201
02:15:18,030 --> 02:15:19,279
What's this thing with disaster training?

3202
02:15:19,280 --> 02:15:21,248
Can you take another day?

3203
02:15:21,249 --> 02:15:22,768
Or is it definitely today?

3204
02:15:22,769 --> 02:15:25,528
- Definitely today.

3205
02:15:27,470 --> 02:15:29,280
- Well we can't release her today.

3206
02:15:32,309 --> 02:15:33,741
- It's...

3207
02:15:33,742 --> 02:15:34,856
- Boy, look at this book.

3208
02:15:34,857 --> 02:15:35,720
- I'm telling you, it's a whole thing.

3209
02:15:35,721 --> 02:15:37,579
- That's for disaster training?

3210
02:15:37,580 --> 02:15:39,470
- Yeah, here, I got notes, I got

3211
02:15:42,333 --> 02:15:44,539
in case of disaster, I man the telephones,

3212
02:15:44,540 --> 02:15:47,800
we have artificial telephone calls

3213
02:15:47,801 --> 02:15:50,039
coming in from central office.

3214
02:15:50,040 --> 02:15:51,799
I swear, we answer it, and we have to go back and...

3215
02:15:51,800 --> 02:15:52,967
- How long do you have to be there?

3216
02:15:52,968 --> 02:15:54,899
- All afternoon.

3217
02:15:54,900 --> 02:15:56,360
I go twice a year.

3218
02:15:56,361 --> 02:15:58,625
Yeah, they sent...

3219
02:15:59,649 --> 02:16:03,609
December 14, '72, and today is February 4th.

3220
02:16:03,610 --> 02:16:07,811
And the last time I went was February '72, twice a year.

3221
02:16:07,812 --> 02:16:09,769
- Look, is he...

3222
02:16:09,770 --> 02:16:12,189
Is Arcardia Rivera here or just the wife?

3223
02:16:12,190 --> 02:16:13,579
- He's here.

3224
02:16:13,580 --> 02:16:15,550
- Did he keep his Manpower appointment?

3225
02:16:16,421 --> 02:16:17,254
He gets no money until...

3226
02:16:17,255 --> 02:16:18,935
- No, he's not going there until the 20th.

3227
02:16:19,638 --> 02:16:21,838
But you better check him out anyway, just to make sure.

3228
02:16:24,029 --> 02:16:25,509
- So what do I do with this?

3229
02:16:25,510 --> 02:16:26,909
- We need some more workers.

3230
02:16:26,910 --> 02:16:28,410
Frank Farkas hasn't called in.

3231
02:16:29,934 --> 02:16:30,768
- Frank Farkas hasn't called, all right,

3232
02:16:30,768 --> 02:16:31,601
we'll try to get Petey Barry.

3233
02:16:31,602 --> 02:16:33,009
- All right.

3234
02:16:33,010 --> 02:16:34,699
- Oh, I have notes, I have...

3235
02:16:34,700 --> 02:16:36,159
- We'll get Peter Barry and let's see, who else...

3236
02:16:36,160 --> 02:16:37,619
- How about Larry Janice?

3237
02:16:37,620 --> 02:16:38,718
- How about Larry Janice, all right.

3238
02:16:38,719 --> 02:16:40,049
I'll see if I can get him.

3239
02:16:41,180 --> 02:16:42,309
- Suderman Ally.

3240
02:16:44,170 --> 02:16:45,269
Miss Ally, you're gonna have to go back

3241
02:16:45,270 --> 02:16:46,236
to Waverly Welfare Center, we're very sorry,

3242
02:16:46,237 --> 02:16:48,000
it was a mistake.

3243
02:16:49,858 --> 02:16:51,160
Take this message back.

3244
02:16:51,161 --> 02:16:51,994
- He's legally responsible

3245
02:16:51,994 --> 02:16:52,826
to take care of the children.

3246
02:16:52,826 --> 02:16:53,660
- We know that.

3247
02:16:53,660 --> 02:16:54,493
- And her, as long as she's married.

3248
02:16:54,493 --> 02:16:55,493
- Yes.

3249
02:16:56,419 --> 02:16:57,849
That's why she got.

3250
02:16:57,850 --> 02:17:00,753
She's got another time but he didn't show up.

3251
02:17:00,754 --> 02:17:01,588
- It has to be in the court's hands

3252
02:17:01,589 --> 02:17:02,798
as long as he's getting income

3253
02:17:02,799 --> 02:17:05,169
and then he's not using it while he's in the hospital,

3254
02:17:05,170 --> 02:17:07,218
it's for the children, it's for the use of his children.

3255
02:17:07,219 --> 02:17:09,242
- What is the alternative, what's she gonna do?

3256
02:17:09,243 --> 02:17:10,076
Take the check from him

3257
02:17:10,077 --> 02:17:11,249
if he don't want to give them to her?

3258
02:17:11,250 --> 02:17:12,230
What's the alternative, she's been to court.

3259
02:17:12,231 --> 02:17:13,671
- When did they go to court?

3260
02:17:14,412 --> 02:17:15,244
- Yesterday.

3261
02:17:15,244 --> 02:17:16,077
- We went yesterday and went last week.

3262
02:17:16,077 --> 02:17:16,911
- What did the court say?

3263
02:17:16,912 --> 02:17:17,924
- He didn't show up, they sent out a warrant for him.

3264
02:17:17,925 --> 02:17:19,679
- Well he's in the hospital.

3265
02:17:19,680 --> 02:17:20,881
- Well what do you want her to do if he don't show up?

3266
02:17:20,882 --> 02:17:23,039
And he got the checks and won't give them to her.

3267
02:17:23,040 --> 02:17:25,069
- The only thing I can suggest is that,

3268
02:17:25,070 --> 02:17:26,681
I talked to the application supervisor and she said

3269
02:17:26,682 --> 02:17:28,489
if you feel you've been treated...

3270
02:17:28,490 --> 02:17:31,060
- Of course we feel, why do you think we're back here now?

3271
02:17:31,061 --> 02:17:32,079
- You have to apply for a fair hearing.

3272
02:17:32,080 --> 02:17:33,109
- Oh, in the meantime, what they gonna do

3273
02:17:33,110 --> 02:17:35,509
with a fair hearing, what they gonna do, starve to death?

3274
02:17:35,510 --> 02:17:37,208
He's in the hospital, she's sick,

3275
02:17:37,209 --> 02:17:39,929
she got diabetes, she got arthritis, she got heart trouble.

3276
02:17:39,930 --> 02:17:40,762
What is she supposed to do

3277
02:17:40,763 --> 02:17:42,048
while she waiting for a fair hearing?

3278
02:17:42,049 --> 02:17:44,770
Since November I've been running around with this woman.

3279
02:17:46,188 --> 02:17:47,021
- You know, you're making it sound

3280
02:17:47,021 --> 02:17:47,853
like it's my fault.

3281
02:17:47,853 --> 02:17:48,687
I'm telling you...

3282
02:17:48,687 --> 02:17:49,520
- Well it's not my fault either.

3283
02:17:49,520 --> 02:17:50,352
It's not his fault he's in the hospital.

3284
02:17:50,353 --> 02:17:52,080
It's not her fault she's sick.

3285
02:17:52,081 --> 02:17:53,059
Whose fault is it?

3286
02:17:53,060 --> 02:17:54,286
- I'm telling you what they're telling me,

3287
02:17:54,287 --> 02:17:55,250
they have...

3288
02:17:55,251 --> 02:17:57,539
- Who is responsible for her?

3289
02:17:57,540 --> 02:18:00,589
If her husband is sick, he's in the hospital,

3290
02:18:00,590 --> 02:18:01,722
and she's...

3291
02:18:01,723 --> 02:18:02,556
- He's getting disability payments from the union.

3292
02:18:02,557 --> 02:18:04,231
- Can she take the checks from him?

3293
02:18:04,232 --> 02:18:05,729
- He is legally responsible for her security.

3294
02:18:05,730 --> 02:18:06,690
- That's why she take him to court,

3295
02:18:06,691 --> 02:18:08,649
because he's not taking care of his legal responsibilities.

3296
02:18:08,650 --> 02:18:10,109
- It's in the hands of the court.

3297
02:18:10,110 --> 02:18:11,388
- The court sent her here.

3298
02:18:11,389 --> 02:18:14,494
I have a letter from the court telling her to come here.

3299
02:18:14,495 --> 02:18:16,249
- Well now this is before the case was rejected,

3300
02:18:16,250 --> 02:18:18,440
the case was rejected on the 24th,

3301
02:18:21,270 --> 02:18:22,102
and this was given to her...

3302
02:18:22,103 --> 02:18:23,730
- That's the day I came here.

3303
02:18:25,683 --> 02:18:27,443
- When you rejected her she had this letter.

3304
02:18:28,364 --> 02:18:29,429
- And told me to go here, social security,

3305
02:18:29,430 --> 02:18:30,919
and that's where I went.

3306
02:18:30,920 --> 02:18:31,877
- She went to social security,

3307
02:18:31,877 --> 02:18:32,709
social security sent her back here.

3308
02:18:32,710 --> 02:18:34,368
They're gonna take care of her.

3309
02:18:34,369 --> 02:18:35,309
- Well social security is evaluating her application,

3310
02:18:35,310 --> 02:18:36,379
that's a different thing altogether.

3311
02:18:36,380 --> 02:18:38,320
- Okay, so meanwhile who is responsible for her?

3312
02:18:39,331 --> 02:18:40,164
- Mr. Gaskin.

3313
02:18:40,165 --> 02:18:41,769
- He's in the hospital, as you very well know.

3314
02:18:41,770 --> 02:18:43,983
- I understand he's in the hospital.

3315
02:18:43,984 --> 02:18:45,304
- Now what is she supposed to do?

3316
02:18:46,041 --> 02:18:47,575
- Checks are coming...

3317
02:18:47,576 --> 02:18:48,409
- Go down there and take checks that don't belong to her?

3318
02:18:48,409 --> 02:18:49,409
They belong to him.

3319
02:18:50,179 --> 02:18:51,012
- He has a responsibility...

3320
02:18:51,013 --> 02:18:53,025
- He don't want to give them to her.

3321
02:18:54,094 --> 02:18:55,654
We're going into a vicious cycle again,

3322
02:18:56,012 --> 02:18:57,132
and I'm getting tired of it.

3323
02:18:57,974 --> 02:18:58,807
- Well, as I said before,

3324
02:18:58,808 --> 02:19:00,079
you'd have to apply for a fair hearing.

3325
02:19:00,080 --> 02:19:01,539
- Oh, and how long is a fair hearing gonna take,

3326
02:19:01,540 --> 02:19:02,829
and what's she gonna do in the meanwhile,

3327
02:19:02,830 --> 02:19:04,548
while she's waiting for the fair hearing?

3328
02:19:04,549 --> 02:19:07,130
She's been coming here since November.

3329
02:19:08,647 --> 02:19:09,580
- Well it's her responsibility to try to get...

3330
02:19:09,581 --> 02:19:10,919
- What do you think she's trying to do?

3331
02:19:10,920 --> 02:19:12,349
Why do you think she's going to court?

3332
02:19:12,350 --> 02:19:13,868
- You keep shouting at me and you don't...

3333
02:19:13,869 --> 02:19:15,298
- You're sending me around into a vicious cycle,

3334
02:19:15,299 --> 02:19:16,819
I'm trying to tell you her hands are tied.

3335
02:19:16,820 --> 02:19:17,740
- I'm not sending you...

3336
02:19:17,741 --> 02:19:20,575
- She is sick, he is sick, who is gonna take care of them?

3337
02:19:20,576 --> 02:19:21,409
- I am not sending you anywhere.

3338
02:19:21,410 --> 02:19:22,699
- You're telling me now to wait for a fair hearing,

3339
02:19:22,700 --> 02:19:24,380
what's she gonna do in the meanwhile?

3340
02:19:26,190 --> 02:19:27,022
- Well, you have to ask

3341
02:19:27,023 --> 02:19:28,058
the application supervisor to re-entertain the application.

3342
02:19:28,059 --> 02:19:30,007
- What do you think I'm here for now?

3343
02:19:30,008 --> 02:19:31,488
Why am I talking to you now for this?

3344
02:19:32,216 --> 02:19:33,259
- You're shouting at me.

3345
02:19:33,260 --> 02:19:35,784
- I'm gonna do more shouting if you don't stop this.

3346
02:19:35,785 --> 02:19:36,618
Ever since November.

3347
02:19:36,619 --> 02:19:37,763
You talking about shouting,

3348
02:19:37,764 --> 02:19:38,598
I've been trying to take care of this woman,

3349
02:19:38,599 --> 02:19:41,458
what do you want from me?

3350
02:19:41,459 --> 02:19:43,279
Sending us around all over to these different places

3351
02:19:43,280 --> 02:19:45,742
and they sending us back around in circles.

3352
02:19:45,743 --> 02:19:46,695
- Where are you supposed to go?

3353
02:19:46,696 --> 02:19:48,539
- That's what I want to know, she said go to court,

3354
02:19:48,540 --> 02:19:49,540
she went to court.

3355
02:19:50,320 --> 02:19:52,450
Go to social security, they sent her back here.

3356
02:19:55,880 --> 02:19:57,269
They up there sitting on their behinds upstairs,

3357
02:19:57,270 --> 02:19:59,029
that's why they can't do nothing for nobody.

3358
02:19:59,030 --> 02:20:00,780
Have you sitting here all damn day,

3359
02:20:02,239 --> 02:20:03,072
and then sending you all around the courts

3360
02:20:03,073 --> 02:20:07,169
and the courts send you here.

3361
02:20:07,170 --> 02:20:08,330
She refused you.

3362
02:20:10,274 --> 02:20:12,634
- It doesn't mean she's getting any, and she's got a point.

3363
02:20:14,812 --> 02:20:16,419
She did go to court, she's got proof in her hand

3364
02:20:16,420 --> 02:20:18,368
that she went to court.

3365
02:20:18,369 --> 02:20:19,799
So that's why I'm suggesting

3366
02:20:19,800 --> 02:20:21,809
you re-entertain the application.

3367
02:20:21,810 --> 02:20:23,460
- Okay, however, we want to know,

3368
02:20:24,742 --> 02:20:25,575
we didn't know where she's even living

3369
02:20:25,575 --> 02:20:26,540
at the present time.

3370
02:20:26,540 --> 02:20:27,470
- Well that you evaluate...

3371
02:20:27,471 --> 02:20:28,979
- And I think she's living uptown.

3372
02:20:28,980 --> 02:20:30,048
- She may very well be living uptown,

3373
02:20:30,049 --> 02:20:32,590
but you don't know until you interview her

3374
02:20:33,658 --> 02:20:34,491
and ascertain her whereabouts.

3375
02:20:34,492 --> 02:20:36,256
- Well, she's paying rent, is she paying rent now?

3376
02:20:36,257 --> 02:20:37,659
- You can check through the court

3377
02:20:37,660 --> 02:20:39,849
what address she applied from.

3378
02:20:39,850 --> 02:20:41,169
- Yeah.

3379
02:20:41,170 --> 02:20:43,020
What is it, $87 she's getting a week?

3380
02:20:44,016 --> 02:20:46,856
- No, it's in his name, it's a union benefit.

3381
02:20:46,857 --> 02:20:47,690
- Right.

3382
02:20:47,691 --> 02:20:49,293
- In his name.

3383
02:20:49,294 --> 02:20:50,127
- But if he is hospitalized,

3384
02:20:50,127 --> 02:20:50,960
why isn't she getting that money?

3385
02:20:50,961 --> 02:20:52,490
- It's not, see we cannot tell him,

3386
02:20:53,377 --> 02:20:54,210
the court's telling him to give it.

3387
02:20:54,211 --> 02:20:56,338
- Yeah, but we want to call up the social worker.

3388
02:20:56,339 --> 02:20:57,889
You have a seat that side, please.

3389
02:20:57,890 --> 02:20:58,976
- We're discussing it, Miss Casker,

3390
02:20:58,977 --> 02:21:00,540
just wait outside over there.

3391
02:21:03,631 --> 02:21:04,911
- Excuse me?

3392
02:21:04,912 --> 02:21:06,632
- I told you that wasn't the same daughter.

3393
02:21:09,304 --> 02:21:10,230
- Send her back home to what?

3394
02:21:10,231 --> 02:21:12,844
- All right, do we have to call the hospital to find out

3395
02:21:12,845 --> 02:21:14,738
if he actually is hospitalized?

3396
02:21:14,739 --> 02:21:16,499
- No, the only place I called was the union.

3397
02:21:17,423 --> 02:21:18,256
- All right.

3398
02:21:18,256 --> 02:21:19,089
- But see the check is in his name.

3399
02:21:19,090 --> 02:21:21,529
- Yeah, however, if he's hospitalized all the time,

3400
02:21:21,530 --> 02:21:22,543
where are those checks going

3401
02:21:22,544 --> 02:21:23,377
and who is cashing those checks?

3402
02:21:23,378 --> 02:21:26,047
- If he's coming home on weekends, he may be...

3403
02:21:26,048 --> 02:21:26,881
We don't know.

3404
02:21:26,881 --> 02:21:27,770
- Did we verify that he's coming home on weekends?

3405
02:21:27,771 --> 02:21:29,779
- That's what she said and I didn't verify a thing,

3406
02:21:29,780 --> 02:21:32,409
I just got to her this morning, she stormed on my upstairs.

3407
02:21:32,410 --> 02:21:33,539
- On the fourth floor?

3408
02:21:33,540 --> 02:21:34,829
- The daughter?

3409
02:21:34,830 --> 02:21:36,368
- Yeah, the daughter.

3410
02:21:41,049 --> 02:21:42,862
- The money is in his name,

3411
02:21:42,863 --> 02:21:44,211
if it was in her name it would be different.

3412
02:21:44,212 --> 02:21:45,660
- No, if it's in his name,

3413
02:21:48,753 --> 02:21:49,586
he is responsible for his wife and his children.

3414
02:21:49,587 --> 02:21:50,676
- He is, but that's why she went to the court,

3415
02:21:50,677 --> 02:21:51,759
because he's not giving her a penny.

3416
02:21:51,760 --> 02:21:53,880
She has the slip from the court.

3417
02:21:54,790 --> 02:21:55,790
- All right, tell her to get a slip desk.

3418
02:21:55,791 --> 02:21:57,009
- Now they're telling me to go to work

3419
02:21:57,010 --> 02:21:58,359
while I got a letter from the doctor

3420
02:21:58,360 --> 02:21:59,629
saying I'm not supposed to be working.

3421
02:21:59,630 --> 02:22:01,691
- And went and tore your letter up?

3422
02:22:01,692 --> 02:22:02,525
- And she went and tore the letter yesterday.

3423
02:22:02,525 --> 02:22:03,358
- Another letter.

3424
02:22:03,358 --> 02:22:04,191
- Ask the supervisor.

3425
02:22:04,191 --> 02:22:05,024
- Get another letter.

3426
02:22:05,025 --> 02:22:06,449
Letter in an envelope.

3427
02:22:06,450 --> 02:22:07,295
- Yeah, I'm gonna get another one,

3428
02:22:07,295 --> 02:22:09,135
the doctor told me to pick one up today, yeah.

3429
02:22:14,688 --> 02:22:15,521
- My father is sick.

3430
02:22:15,522 --> 02:22:16,908
He's in the hospital since November,

3431
02:22:16,909 --> 02:22:20,269
I been running back and forth with this woman for months,

3432
02:22:20,270 --> 02:22:22,584
but they send us back in a circle,

3433
02:22:22,585 --> 02:22:23,440
we go to court, from the court to the hospital,

3434
02:22:23,441 --> 02:22:25,499
from the hospital to social security to welfare

3435
02:22:25,500 --> 02:22:28,449
back to social security to the hospital to the court,

3436
02:22:28,450 --> 02:22:29,390
she don't have one dime,

3437
02:22:29,391 --> 02:22:30,771
and we're all suffering trying to take care of her.

3438
02:22:30,772 --> 02:22:32,799
You know when you try to help yourself,

3439
02:22:32,800 --> 02:22:33,633
they don't help you at all.

3440
02:22:33,634 --> 02:22:36,119
- And what they do is give me a runaround too.

3441
02:22:37,079 --> 02:22:39,159
- That's how it is, that's just the whole damn system.

3442
02:22:39,160 --> 02:22:40,293
When you try to help yourself, nobody helps you.

3443
02:22:40,294 --> 02:22:42,569
- Not only that, but then if I come around

3444
02:22:42,570 --> 02:22:43,819
and then she comes to tear the letter

3445
02:22:43,820 --> 02:22:44,788
and I beat the brains out of her, then I got to jail.

3446
02:22:44,789 --> 02:22:46,889
- Then you gonna go to jail, and then where's your wife?

3447
02:22:46,890 --> 02:22:48,703
Right back in the circle again.

3448
02:22:48,704 --> 02:22:50,118
- No, and then they gotta help her

3449
02:22:50,119 --> 02:22:50,953
whether they like it or not.

3450
02:22:50,954 --> 02:22:52,554
- Well I guess that's what you gotta do.

3451
02:22:53,070 --> 02:22:53,903
You gotta do it, you gotta do it.

3452
02:22:53,904 --> 02:22:55,544
- That's what I'm gonna have to do.

3453
02:22:56,097 --> 02:22:56,930
- I gotta come here with my mother,

3454
02:22:56,931 --> 02:22:58,609
I got children I gotta take care of,

3455
02:22:58,610 --> 02:23:00,359
all my family got children.

3456
02:23:00,360 --> 02:23:01,489
My mother is a woman that had 15 children.

3457
02:23:01,490 --> 02:23:03,639
She took care of every one of them.

3458
02:23:03,640 --> 02:23:05,140
My father worked like a slave.

3459
02:23:06,107 --> 02:23:08,029
He's sick, he's gotta go through this?

3460
02:23:08,030 --> 02:23:09,149
I gotta go through this?

3461
02:23:09,150 --> 02:23:09,983
No.

3462
02:23:09,984 --> 02:23:12,000
Somebody gonna do something for her.

3463
02:23:12,001 --> 02:23:12,834
And I'm not gonna leave here

3464
02:23:12,835 --> 02:23:14,355
and I'm not gonna go not one more day,

3465
02:23:15,008 --> 02:23:16,689
because I am tired and she's tired,

3466
02:23:16,690 --> 02:23:18,904
and we got the kids out of school,

3467
02:23:18,905 --> 02:23:20,105
they don't even have no shoes.

3468
02:23:20,580 --> 02:23:23,509
What do they want from us?

3469
02:23:23,510 --> 02:23:25,319
I know you're tired because I am, and I'm just...

3470
02:23:25,320 --> 02:23:26,180
- The welfare department

3471
02:23:26,181 --> 02:23:27,599
is actually the New York runaround.

3472
02:23:27,600 --> 02:23:29,329
- You better believe it 'cause that's all you gonna get

3473
02:23:29,330 --> 02:23:30,931
is a runaround.

3474
02:23:30,932 --> 02:23:32,279
Did you go upstairs?

3475
02:23:32,280 --> 02:23:33,113
- No, I don't go upstairs.

3476
02:23:33,114 --> 02:23:35,196
- You'll go up thee one day.

3477
02:23:35,197 --> 02:23:36,030
- Sometimes they don't even allow us

3478
02:23:36,031 --> 02:23:37,369
to be on certain points.

3479
02:23:38,544 --> 02:23:39,377
- They get angry with you because

3480
02:23:39,377 --> 02:23:40,210
you're interrupting their coffee break.

3481
02:23:40,211 --> 02:23:41,453
I made the mistake of interrupting their coffee break

3482
02:23:41,454 --> 02:23:44,289
one day when I went there.

3483
02:23:44,290 --> 02:23:45,669
I I said then.

3484
02:23:45,670 --> 02:23:47,880
You know and they tell me come back tomorrow morning.

3485
02:23:58,250 --> 02:23:59,250
- Stop kicking.

3486
02:24:00,360 --> 02:24:01,332
Stop kicking.

3487
02:24:01,333 --> 02:24:03,311
You stop kicking.

3488
02:24:03,312 --> 02:24:06,190
You stop kicking, you stop kicking.

3489
02:24:09,028 --> 02:24:10,459
- Yeah, she lives in,

3490
02:24:10,460 --> 02:24:11,849
she's here on a temporary basis

3491
02:24:11,850 --> 02:24:14,009
because her husband works here in New York,

3492
02:24:14,010 --> 02:24:15,610
but she lives in North Carolina.

3493
02:24:17,930 --> 02:24:19,610
Her husband lives in New York, that's why.

3494
02:24:20,502 --> 02:24:22,085
- Excuse me please.

3495
02:24:23,039 --> 02:24:24,289
Miss Silver, would you...

3496
02:24:33,035 --> 02:24:35,967
I asked Mrs. Gaskin for proof that she's living

3497
02:24:35,968 --> 02:24:37,379
at 89 Lancomo, she has...

3498
02:24:37,380 --> 02:24:38,959
- This is a housing project?

3499
02:24:38,960 --> 02:24:41,470
What address did you give the court as your home address?

3500
02:24:43,030 --> 02:24:44,449
- The Liliville address.

3501
02:24:44,450 --> 02:24:46,290
- How long were you in North Carolina?

3502
02:24:48,161 --> 02:24:50,359
- I'm not here to stay, I'm only here on a temporary basis.

3503
02:24:50,360 --> 02:24:52,310
- Then why are you even in New York?

3504
02:24:53,851 --> 02:24:56,251
- Because I'm sick, I've been, wait a minute, wait a minute.

3505
02:24:58,444 --> 02:25:00,404
When I was living here, let me explain it to you.

3506
02:25:01,808 --> 02:25:02,641
-, Mrs. Gaskin?

3507
02:25:02,642 --> 02:25:05,090
- Three years ago, yes.

3508
02:25:07,909 --> 02:25:09,633
- All right.

3509
02:25:09,634 --> 02:25:10,467
So for the last three years, you've been living

3510
02:25:10,467 --> 02:25:11,300
in North Carolina?

3511
02:25:11,301 --> 02:25:12,309
- Yes, but I've been,

3512
02:25:12,310 --> 02:25:14,470
you can verify it.

3513
02:25:19,549 --> 02:25:20,382
- In the first part of November.

3514
02:25:20,382 --> 02:25:21,215
- Came back the first part of November.

3515
02:25:21,215 --> 02:25:22,048
Why'd you come back to New York?

3516
02:25:22,048 --> 02:25:22,881
- I had to come to the doctor, and when I came here...

3517
02:25:22,882 --> 02:25:24,476
- This is the only doctor that can take care of you?

3518
02:25:24,477 --> 02:25:25,989
- That's the only doctor...

3519
02:25:25,990 --> 02:25:27,509
- And what do you suffer from?

3520
02:25:27,510 --> 02:25:29,570
- Don't you see it on there?

3521
02:25:29,571 --> 02:25:30,949
- Diabetes, I mean no other doctor in North Carolina

3522
02:25:30,950 --> 02:25:32,419
can take care of you?

3523
02:25:32,420 --> 02:25:33,820
- Well it was too expensive.

3524
02:25:35,878 --> 02:25:36,711
- Do you mind if I explain it...

3525
02:25:36,712 --> 02:25:38,168
- No, I do mind.

3526
02:25:38,169 --> 02:25:39,010
You mean you came all the way back to New York

3527
02:25:39,011 --> 02:25:40,509
to go to Nina Health Clinic

3528
02:25:40,510 --> 02:25:42,110
because there's no other doctor?

3529
02:25:45,093 --> 02:25:46,686
- I'm trying to tell her now.

3530
02:25:46,687 --> 02:25:48,009
The reason why I went to North Carolina to live,

3531
02:25:48,010 --> 02:25:50,569
we were living in the housing projects...

3532
02:25:50,570 --> 02:25:51,403
- In New York.

3533
02:25:51,404 --> 02:25:53,140
- Yes, my husband was working,

3534
02:25:54,709 --> 02:25:55,969
every time he got a raise, they wanted a raise,

3535
02:25:55,970 --> 02:25:57,549
so he decided he wanted me to move.

3536
02:25:57,550 --> 02:25:58,850
- He decided what?

3537
02:26:00,311 --> 02:26:01,144
- He wanted her to move.

3538
02:26:01,145 --> 02:26:02,319
- So in order to move down there,

3539
02:26:02,320 --> 02:26:04,899
he had to go to the VA,

3540
02:26:04,900 --> 02:26:08,090
the VA lent him money to buy his house.

3541
02:26:09,437 --> 02:26:10,768
- Was VA welfare?

3542
02:26:10,769 --> 02:26:12,019
- I don't know, I didn't take care of that business.

3543
02:26:12,020 --> 02:26:14,281
- All right, he might've been on welfare

3544
02:26:14,282 --> 02:26:15,562
in the veterans' administration.

3545
02:26:16,288 --> 02:26:17,312
It's a form of welfare.

3546
02:26:17,313 --> 02:26:18,313
All right.

3547
02:26:19,893 --> 02:26:21,842
- He got money from the VA,

3548
02:26:21,843 --> 02:26:23,403
the VA lent him money to buy his house,

3549
02:26:24,278 --> 02:26:25,111
it's not paid for yet.

3550
02:26:25,111 --> 02:26:26,003
- Oh, to buy his house.

3551
02:26:26,004 --> 02:26:27,159
If you can get accepted on welfare in New York,

3552
02:26:27,160 --> 02:26:29,630
which I don't know, you're gonna have to sign over

3553
02:26:29,631 --> 02:26:30,679
that whole entire house to the department of welfare

3554
02:26:30,680 --> 02:26:32,048
in New York.

3555
02:26:32,049 --> 02:26:32,882
- It's not my house.

3556
02:26:32,882 --> 02:26:33,810
- You are co-owner of it, aren't you?

3557
02:26:33,811 --> 02:26:34,979
- My husband is the one that...

3558
02:26:34,980 --> 02:26:38,385
- Well you will have to sign over that house.

3559
02:26:38,386 --> 02:26:40,279
You'll have to bring the deed to welfare.

3560
02:26:40,280 --> 02:26:41,114
- I don't have the deed,

3561
02:26:41,114 --> 02:26:41,947
this is what I'm telling you, I don't have anything.

3562
02:26:41,948 --> 02:26:44,432
- You'll have to go to your husband who's hospitalized

3563
02:26:44,433 --> 02:26:45,266
and get the deed.

3564
02:26:45,267 --> 02:26:46,368
- Didn't I tell you that every time

3565
02:26:46,369 --> 02:26:48,029
I went to the hospital, they tells me

3566
02:26:48,030 --> 02:26:49,359
I'm not to bother with him?

3567
02:26:49,360 --> 02:26:50,687
How can I get anything if they don't let me to?

3568
02:26:50,688 --> 02:26:53,289
- For anybody who has a resource such as a house

3569
02:26:53,290 --> 02:26:55,449
or a co-op or anything like that, they must sign it over

3570
02:26:55,450 --> 02:26:56,819
to the department before they can get assistance,

3571
02:26:56,820 --> 02:26:58,259
that is considered a resource.

3572
02:26:58,260 --> 02:27:00,160
You have money invested in that house.

3573
02:27:03,545 --> 02:27:05,576
Look, I don't know too much about resources,

3574
02:27:05,577 --> 02:27:07,297
we've got a resource consultant, excuse me.

3575
02:27:08,448 --> 02:27:09,599
- You can tell her that she can sign over

3576
02:27:09,600 --> 02:27:11,015
a house that belongs to her husband?

3577
02:27:11,016 --> 02:27:13,090
- Her husband's responsible for her,

3578
02:27:13,997 --> 02:27:14,830
and the children have to go on...

3579
02:27:14,831 --> 02:27:16,231
- That's why we had to go to court.

3580
02:27:17,187 --> 02:27:18,020
She is very much aware of that.

3581
02:27:18,021 --> 02:27:19,501
She can't make him give her anything.

3582
02:27:20,332 --> 02:27:21,165
- We would like to see the deed,

3583
02:27:21,166 --> 02:27:22,206
see whose name is there...

3584
02:27:23,118 --> 02:27:23,951
- Then you can get it from him yourself,

3585
02:27:23,951 --> 02:27:24,817
he won't give her anything.

3586
02:27:24,817 --> 02:27:25,747
- He didn't even show up in court,

3587
02:27:25,748 --> 02:27:26,830
that's why I'm back here.

3588
02:27:28,961 --> 02:27:32,207
- She was in court yesterday with him, he did not show up.

3589
02:27:32,208 --> 02:27:33,041
What do you expect from her, to take the deed from him?

3590
02:27:33,042 --> 02:27:34,336
If he maintains that he's not gonna give her anything.

3591
02:27:34,337 --> 02:27:35,170
You're the one that told her

3592
02:27:35,171 --> 02:27:36,779
to take his checks out of the mailbox, right?

3593
02:27:36,780 --> 02:27:37,868
What do you want her to do?

3594
02:27:37,869 --> 02:27:40,143
- The interview cannot continue.

3595
02:27:40,144 --> 02:27:40,977
- What do you want her to do?

3596
02:27:40,977 --> 02:27:41,810
- I am just telling you this.

3597
02:27:41,811 --> 02:27:43,019
- Take money from him?

3598
02:27:43,020 --> 02:27:44,063
- I am not yelling

3599
02:27:44,064 --> 02:27:44,897
and there's no reason for you to continue yelling.

3600
02:27:44,898 --> 02:27:45,980
- Why should you yell?

3601
02:27:47,910 --> 02:27:50,147
- If you're yelling the interview will not continue.

3602
02:27:50,148 --> 02:27:51,296
- Why should you yell?

3603
02:27:51,297 --> 02:27:52,130
You're gonna tell her that she must go...

3604
02:27:52,130 --> 02:27:52,963
- If you continue raising your voice...

3605
02:27:52,964 --> 02:27:54,623
- You are telling her,

3606
02:27:54,624 --> 02:27:55,457
you are telling her,

3607
02:27:55,457 --> 02:27:56,290
she don't want to talk about it.

3608
02:27:56,290 --> 02:27:57,123
You see, and my voice is down.

3609
02:27:57,124 --> 02:27:59,644
- Come back tomorrow...

3610
02:27:59,645 --> 02:28:00,478
- No, I'm not gonna come back tomorrow.

3611
02:28:00,479 --> 02:28:02,089
You are telling her to go and break in the mailbox

3612
02:28:02,090 --> 02:28:04,108
and take the man's checks.

3613
02:28:04,109 --> 02:28:06,428
How can you tell my mother take his checks?

3614
02:28:06,429 --> 02:28:08,697
You see how she walks away from me?

3615
02:28:08,698 --> 02:28:09,530
How you gonna tell her to take his checks

3616
02:28:09,531 --> 02:28:11,609
out of his mailbox, when his name is on them?

3617
02:28:11,610 --> 02:28:12,849
He said he's not gonna take care of her,

3618
02:28:12,850 --> 02:28:14,080
she's taking him to court.

3619
02:28:15,085 --> 02:28:15,918
- My papers.

3620
02:28:15,918 --> 02:28:16,751
Miss.

3621
02:28:16,751 --> 02:28:17,584
Will you give me my papers back?

3622
02:28:17,585 --> 02:28:19,440
My letter, give it back to me please.

3623
02:28:21,232 --> 02:28:23,514
- It's easy for her, she's not gonna use this as no cop out,

3624
02:28:23,515 --> 02:28:24,348
after she gonna tell her to break into the mailbox

3625
02:28:24,349 --> 02:28:27,562
and take some checks that don't even belong to her.

3626
02:28:28,965 --> 02:28:29,930
And if the checks...

3627
02:28:29,931 --> 02:28:31,490
If the house, she told me,

3628
02:28:32,356 --> 02:28:34,919
if the man has got the deed to the house and he maintains it

3629
02:28:34,920 --> 02:28:35,753
he's not gonna give it to her,

3630
02:28:35,754 --> 02:28:37,529
what is she supposed to take it from him?

3631
02:28:39,817 --> 02:28:40,817
Huh?

3632
02:28:42,163 --> 02:28:44,512
I'll go up and see the what you call 'em again.

3633
02:28:45,423 --> 02:28:47,063
She wants some excuse to walk out of here

3634
02:28:49,159 --> 02:28:49,992
after she gonna tell you to break in some mailboxes

3635
02:28:49,992 --> 02:28:50,825
and take stuff that's not even yours.

3636
02:28:50,826 --> 02:28:52,122
- What she wanted me to do.

3637
02:28:52,123 --> 02:28:52,956
- And going to tell you, how you gonna make him

3638
02:28:52,956 --> 02:28:53,789
sign over a house?

3639
02:28:53,790 --> 02:28:56,110
Let her go over there and tell him to sign the house over.

3640
02:28:58,463 --> 02:29:00,143
- Well your problem is being taken care of

3641
02:29:01,798 --> 02:29:03,076
by the other lady that went upstairs.

3642
02:29:03,077 --> 02:29:04,602
- Yeah, but I want to know what's the problem with me...

3643
02:29:04,603 --> 02:29:06,603
- Excuse me, let me just speak, let me just speak.

3644
02:29:07,567 --> 02:29:08,400
His wife's is being accepted through the mail,

3645
02:29:08,401 --> 02:29:09,559
and he should leave the center.

3646
02:29:09,560 --> 02:29:11,479
He will be getting a check in the mail.

3647
02:29:11,480 --> 02:29:14,331
So as far as I'm concerned, this case is over with.

3648
02:29:14,332 --> 02:29:15,165
- All right.

3649
02:29:15,165 --> 02:29:15,998
Well anyway, the worker's been talking to him...

3650
02:29:15,999 --> 02:29:17,982
- Well the worker walked away, no.

3651
02:29:17,983 --> 02:29:19,463
The worker is not seeing him anymore.

3652
02:29:20,133 --> 02:29:20,966
- No, she didn't walk away for no reason

3653
02:29:20,966 --> 02:29:21,799
because I was quiet.

3654
02:29:21,799 --> 02:29:22,632
- She went upstairs...

3655
02:29:22,632 --> 02:29:23,465
- I was quiet.

3656
02:29:23,466 --> 02:29:24,986
- I know where my worker went.

3657
02:29:25,417 --> 02:29:26,369
My worker is not gonna see him anymore.

3658
02:29:26,369 --> 02:29:27,203
- Why don't you talk to...

3659
02:29:27,203 --> 02:29:28,151
Who's your supervisor down here?

3660
02:29:28,152 --> 02:29:29,266
Who's your supervisor down here?

3661
02:29:29,267 --> 02:29:30,588
- Wait, wait a minute.

3662
02:29:30,589 --> 02:29:31,591
Wait a minute.

3663
02:29:31,592 --> 02:29:32,589
Wait, let me just talk.

3664
02:29:32,590 --> 02:29:33,591
- Go over there and sit down and be cool, all right?

3665
02:29:33,592 --> 02:29:38,592
- Look, I am the supervisor and I know where my worker went.

3666
02:29:44,560 --> 02:29:45,560
The worker told the clients to leave the area.

3667
02:29:45,560 --> 02:29:46,560
He's walking away.

3668
02:29:47,872 --> 02:29:49,049
The worker asked the clients to leave the area.

3669
02:29:49,050 --> 02:29:50,900
The termination of the case was made,

3670
02:29:51,802 --> 02:29:53,240
they will get a check in the mail.

3671
02:29:53,241 --> 02:29:54,074
Now he is carrying on disrupting

3672
02:29:54,075 --> 02:29:55,529
and I would like him removed from...

3673
02:29:55,530 --> 02:29:56,363
- Let's take care of this problem

3674
02:29:56,363 --> 02:29:57,196
we're dealing with now.

3675
02:29:57,196 --> 02:29:58,029
- Which problem do you want to take care of first?

3676
02:29:58,029 --> 02:29:59,010
- The one you're having right now.

3677
02:29:59,011 --> 02:30:00,439
- I'm having two problems right now,

3678
02:30:00,440 --> 02:30:01,459
which is quite obvious.

3679
02:30:01,460 --> 02:30:02,519
- What she wants to do is she wants to cop out.

3680
02:30:02,520 --> 02:30:03,468
- Which one are you gonna deal with now?

3681
02:30:03,469 --> 02:30:05,008
- All right, you want to deal with these people?

3682
02:30:05,009 --> 02:30:06,565
- Me?

3683
02:30:06,566 --> 02:30:07,839
You asking me?

3684
02:30:09,322 --> 02:30:10,240
- Workers cannot work, and there's a whole

3685
02:30:10,240 --> 02:30:11,073
commotion around here.

3686
02:30:11,073 --> 02:30:11,920
- Let's take care of the problem

3687
02:30:11,921 --> 02:30:13,457
that you're doing now.

3688
02:30:13,458 --> 02:30:14,291
- Which problem is that?

3689
02:30:14,291 --> 02:30:15,124
These people?

3690
02:30:15,124 --> 02:30:15,957
- Whichever one you're taking here.

3691
02:30:15,957 --> 02:30:16,856
- Okay, these people will be interviewed

3692
02:30:16,857 --> 02:30:18,457
any time they want to lower their voices

3693
02:30:18,975 --> 02:30:19,808
and conduct the interview in a low voice.

3694
02:30:19,808 --> 02:30:20,641
- Now when I lowed my voice

3695
02:30:20,641 --> 02:30:21,474
she still insisted on walking away.

3696
02:30:21,474 --> 02:30:22,307
She's just using this as a cop out.

3697
02:30:22,307 --> 02:30:23,210
She's gonna tell my mother to go and break in a mailbox

3698
02:30:23,211 --> 02:30:25,019
and take some checks that don't even belong to her,

3699
02:30:25,020 --> 02:30:26,419
that belong to my father.

3700
02:30:26,420 --> 02:30:28,029
She's gonna say she wants the house, okay.

3701
02:30:28,030 --> 02:30:28,930
My mother don't own the house,

3702
02:30:28,931 --> 02:30:30,039
how can she give her the house?

3703
02:30:30,040 --> 02:30:31,007
- Are you finished now?

3704
02:30:31,008 --> 02:30:33,009
- Listen, go over there and sit down

3705
02:30:33,010 --> 02:30:35,806
and wait for your wife and people to come down, all right?

3706
02:30:35,807 --> 02:30:37,209
- Wait...

3707
02:30:37,210 --> 02:30:38,609
- Do you have a supervisor.

3708
02:30:38,610 --> 02:30:40,329
- Yeah, I'm the supervisor.

3709
02:30:40,330 --> 02:30:41,406
- All right,

3710
02:30:41,407 --> 02:30:42,606
well why don't you deal with them?

3711
02:30:42,607 --> 02:30:44,055
Because I'm the patrolman here.

3712
02:30:44,056 --> 02:30:45,666
The only thing I can do, there's an arrest to be made,

3713
02:30:45,667 --> 02:30:46,500
I'm here.

3714
02:30:46,501 --> 02:30:47,506
Otherwise social workers social workers.

3715
02:30:47,507 --> 02:30:49,573
- Excuse me, Mr. Val, Sergeant, whatever you are...

3716
02:30:53,280 --> 02:30:55,009
- No, my workers will not work

3717
02:30:55,010 --> 02:30:56,339
if this man sits there without an interview.

3718
02:30:56,340 --> 02:30:57,819
The interviewer is not coming back.

3719
02:30:57,820 --> 02:31:00,669
The interview is over, Miss Bale walked away.

3720
02:31:00,670 --> 02:31:02,259
- Listen, let's deal with what you have here.

3721
02:31:02,260 --> 02:31:03,244
This man is...

3722
02:31:03,245 --> 02:31:06,299
Go over there man, go over there and stay over there.

3723
02:31:06,300 --> 02:31:07,549
Let's deal with what you have no.

3724
02:31:07,550 --> 02:31:08,649
- Okay, this interview will continue

3725
02:31:08,650 --> 02:31:09,949
any time they lower their voice

3726
02:31:09,950 --> 02:31:11,559
and conduct the interview in a low voice.

3727
02:31:11,560 --> 02:31:13,748
- I lowered my voice and she still persisted...

3728
02:31:13,749 --> 02:31:14,582
- How long do you have to be there

3729
02:31:14,583 --> 02:31:17,670
to make sure somebody's voice isn't being raised?

3730
02:31:18,950 --> 02:31:20,489
- Who's taking care of this lady?

3731
02:31:20,490 --> 02:31:21,504
Nobody?

3732
02:31:21,505 --> 02:31:22,338
- Miss was talking to them

3733
02:31:22,339 --> 02:31:23,399
but they continued to cause a scene

3734
02:31:23,400 --> 02:31:25,249
and have a very loud voice and they're disrupting.

3735
02:31:25,250 --> 02:31:26,449
- When I told you that you told me...

3736
02:31:26,450 --> 02:31:27,859
- All right, can we try it again?

3737
02:31:27,860 --> 02:31:29,649
Can we try it again without any problems?

3738
02:31:29,650 --> 02:31:31,179
- I would like for you to at least sit in on it

3739
02:31:31,180 --> 02:31:33,019
because she's asking questions,

3740
02:31:33,020 --> 02:31:34,809
she wants my mother to sign over something

3741
02:31:34,810 --> 02:31:35,643
that don't belong to her.

3742
02:31:35,644 --> 02:31:37,689
- Excuse me, what it is, they own a house in North Carolina

3743
02:31:37,690 --> 02:31:40,299
and I told them the resource policy concerning it.

3744
02:31:40,300 --> 02:31:41,449
- If you own something.

3745
02:31:41,450 --> 02:31:43,349
- All right, but just a moment, just a moment.

3746
02:31:43,350 --> 02:31:44,939
We understand that.

3747
02:31:44,940 --> 02:31:46,949
It's not that my mother's not cooperating.

3748
02:31:46,950 --> 02:31:48,389
My mother never signed any paper.

3749
02:31:48,390 --> 02:31:49,868
Why don't she get it from my father?

3750
02:31:49,869 --> 02:31:51,929
She don't have the right to give him anything.

3751
02:31:51,930 --> 02:31:53,749
- Where is your father?

3752
02:31:53,750 --> 02:31:54,899
- In the hospital, she knows where he's at.

3753
02:31:54,900 --> 02:31:56,029
She knows this.

3754
02:31:56,030 --> 02:31:57,804
- What's the problem on the whole case?

3755
02:31:57,805 --> 02:31:59,648
- The problem is I asked...

3756
02:31:59,649 --> 02:32:01,769
I went to the hospital because my husband

3757
02:32:01,770 --> 02:32:04,847
was in the hospital, I asked the people at the hospital

3758
02:32:04,848 --> 02:32:07,099
that told me about my health,

3759
02:32:07,100 --> 02:32:08,709
and they told me to go to welfare.

3760
02:32:08,710 --> 02:32:11,499
So I didn't go to welfare, I went to court first,

3761
02:32:11,500 --> 02:32:13,149
they gave me a referral to come here,

3762
02:32:13,150 --> 02:32:14,699
when I came in Monday they told me

3763
02:32:14,700 --> 02:32:16,409
to go back to social security.

3764
02:32:16,410 --> 02:32:18,359
Social security told me, give me a referral

3765
02:32:18,360 --> 02:32:20,579
to come back here and said get for the children

3766
02:32:20,580 --> 02:32:21,413
and not for me.

3767
02:32:21,413 --> 02:32:22,246
They wouldn't give me...

3768
02:32:22,247 --> 02:32:24,539
- Because she said she can get some social security.

3769
02:32:24,540 --> 02:32:26,749
- Was this an ADC case for the two children, or what?

3770
02:32:26,750 --> 02:32:27,650
- Yes, I have two children.

3771
02:32:27,650 --> 02:32:28,530
- Two children?

3772
02:32:28,531 --> 02:32:29,844
- What's the story?

3773
02:32:29,845 --> 02:32:30,984
- All I know is her legal residence is North Carolina

3774
02:32:30,985 --> 02:32:33,259
New York 'cause she's here on a visit.

3775
02:32:33,260 --> 02:32:34,718
It seems to me that's the story.

3776
02:32:34,719 --> 02:32:37,074
- My father works here,

3777
02:32:37,075 --> 02:32:39,368
and he was sending her money to North Carolina,

3778
02:32:39,369 --> 02:32:41,639
after he took sick, after he got sick.

3779
02:32:41,640 --> 02:32:43,240
- And there are no doctors in North Carolina

3780
02:32:43,241 --> 02:32:45,259
and the only doctors that can take care

3781
02:32:45,260 --> 02:32:48,249
of her diabetic condition is a New York doctor,

3782
02:32:48,250 --> 02:32:49,597
so she came up here.

3783
02:32:49,598 --> 02:32:51,929
- The doctor there was too expensive.

3784
02:32:51,930 --> 02:32:52,949
- She's dramatizing things.

3785
02:32:52,950 --> 02:32:54,209
- I had a doctor there before,

3786
02:32:54,210 --> 02:32:55,589
but I had a doctor here, and...

3787
02:32:55,590 --> 02:32:58,459
- Your legal residence is in North Carolina?

3788
02:32:58,460 --> 02:32:59,719
- But my husband is here.

3789
02:32:59,720 --> 02:33:00,560
- It's yours, it's yours.

3790
02:33:00,561 --> 02:33:02,557
- I don't know how it's done.

3791
02:33:02,558 --> 02:33:03,391
- They own a house in North Carolina,

3792
02:33:03,392 --> 02:33:05,179
so I would assume it's a source of legal residence.

3793
02:33:05,180 --> 02:33:07,300
- Were they on welfare in...

3794
02:33:07,301 --> 02:33:08,134
- She claims no.

3795
02:33:08,135 --> 02:33:09,229
- She claims no, did we check it out?

3796
02:33:09,230 --> 02:33:10,063
- No we haven't done so as yet.

3797
02:33:10,064 --> 02:33:12,819
She claims that her husband was sending her checks,

3798
02:33:12,820 --> 02:33:15,429
and now her husband is hospitalized and can no longer

3799
02:33:15,430 --> 02:33:16,609
send her checks.

3800
02:33:16,610 --> 02:33:17,520
- He's in the hospital.

3801
02:33:17,521 --> 02:33:18,589
- Can he write us a letter?

3802
02:33:18,590 --> 02:33:20,439
- I don't know, see, when I went to the hospital...

3803
02:33:20,440 --> 02:33:22,219
- We'll have somebody visit him in the hospital...

3804
02:33:22,220 --> 02:33:23,589
- To see his social worker.

3805
02:33:23,590 --> 02:33:25,069
- If they will lower their voice

3806
02:33:25,070 --> 02:33:26,030
and continue the interview.

3807
02:33:26,031 --> 02:33:27,157
- All right, all right.

3808
02:33:27,158 --> 02:33:29,222
Let's all be quiet, let's sit down,

3809
02:33:29,223 --> 02:33:32,519
let's see if we can get this show on the road.

3810
02:33:32,520 --> 02:33:34,799
- And you request that we lower our voices.

3811
02:33:34,800 --> 02:33:36,518
I request that you stop being so dramatic

3812
02:33:36,519 --> 02:33:38,209
and putting words into my mother's mouth

3813
02:33:38,210 --> 02:33:39,769
saying things she did not say.

3814
02:33:39,770 --> 02:33:41,079
She never told you there's no other doctor

3815
02:33:41,080 --> 02:33:42,169
in North Carolina, don't be like that.

3816
02:33:42,170 --> 02:33:43,939
- Well we're never going to get anyplace this way.

3817
02:33:43,940 --> 02:33:45,039
Let's continue the interview.

3818
02:33:45,040 --> 02:33:47,769
- All right, let's solve the other problem.

3819
02:33:47,770 --> 02:33:50,229
Miss Bale is not continuing that interview over there,

3820
02:33:50,230 --> 02:33:51,729
the determination on the case was made

3821
02:33:51,730 --> 02:33:53,589
and I want the patrolman removing those clients,

3822
02:33:53,590 --> 02:33:54,423
the man over there.

3823
02:33:54,424 --> 02:33:56,118
We can't remove him till 5:00.

3824
02:33:56,119 --> 02:33:57,578
- This waiting area is over there, I...

3825
02:33:57,579 --> 02:33:59,449
- We'll put him, I'll put him in the waiting area.

3826
02:33:59,450 --> 02:34:00,450
- Well, you...

3827
02:34:02,420 --> 02:34:06,829
Let's sit down and interview this client.

3828
02:34:06,830 --> 02:34:09,180
- Well, Bates is doing it, they go back there.

3829
02:34:16,100 --> 02:34:18,039
- Since I can't hear she's been giving me a hard time

3830
02:34:18,040 --> 02:34:20,748
because she just don't like me, I guess.

3831
02:34:23,785 --> 02:34:25,649
This is the first time I come here and even yelling.

3832
02:34:25,650 --> 02:34:28,129
Women here three, since October I've been

3833
02:34:28,130 --> 02:34:29,929
going back and forth, and they've been giving me

3834
02:34:29,930 --> 02:34:30,999
the same rap.

3835
02:34:31,000 --> 02:34:33,579
Bring another letter, so I bring another letter.

3836
02:34:33,580 --> 02:34:35,629
That's not the one, bring this one, so I bring that one.

3837
02:34:35,630 --> 02:34:38,200
- You've got the runaround since October,

3838
02:34:38,201 --> 02:34:39,034
we've only seen you this month, right?

3839
02:34:39,035 --> 02:34:40,689
So obviously other people are giving you runarounds.

3840
02:34:40,690 --> 02:34:41,793
- Yeah.

3841
02:34:41,794 --> 02:34:42,760
- It's very strange,

3842
02:34:42,761 --> 02:34:44,359
everybody's giving you runarounds.

3843
02:34:44,360 --> 02:34:45,879
You were in another center, you were in Waverly.

3844
02:34:45,880 --> 02:34:47,709
- I was over here, and they closed my case...

3845
02:34:47,710 --> 02:34:49,069
- All right, I'll tell you something.

3846
02:34:49,070 --> 02:34:51,368
See all centers work the same and all centers want proof,

3847
02:34:51,369 --> 02:34:52,868
they just don't hand out money.

3848
02:34:52,869 --> 02:34:54,669
And we're not the only center who does it.

3849
02:34:54,670 --> 02:34:56,009
- I got all the proof you want here.

3850
02:34:56,010 --> 02:34:57,949
- Every center works by certain rules

3851
02:34:57,950 --> 02:34:59,618
and regulations and procedures.

3852
02:34:59,619 --> 02:35:02,259
And when you come in to us, we all work the same way.

3853
02:35:02,260 --> 02:35:03,549
The other center that gave you runaround

3854
02:35:03,550 --> 02:35:05,099
since September or October,

3855
02:35:05,100 --> 02:35:06,618
and now you think we're giving you the runaround,

3856
02:35:06,619 --> 02:35:08,029
but we're only working in the same way

3857
02:35:08,030 --> 02:35:09,199
that they are working.

3858
02:35:09,200 --> 02:35:10,200
Okay.

3859
02:35:11,185 --> 02:35:12,581
This is it.

3860
02:35:12,582 --> 02:35:13,415
Okay, I...

3861
02:35:13,416 --> 02:35:16,748
- Because you're not bringing the information we need.

3862
02:35:16,749 --> 02:35:17,789
That doesn't mean...

3863
02:35:17,790 --> 02:35:19,829
- May I ask you something, you said that my sponsor

3864
02:35:19,830 --> 02:35:23,269
is legally for me, well he's my guardian, right?

3865
02:35:23,270 --> 02:35:24,859
- Your sponsor is more responsible for you

3866
02:35:24,860 --> 02:35:26,759
than welfare is, and we like to have contact with him

3867
02:35:26,760 --> 02:35:27,593
before we give you money.

3868
02:35:27,594 --> 02:35:28,889
- Then why is it that when my sponsor,

3869
02:35:28,890 --> 02:35:31,529
I could not get permission to marry with my sponsor?

3870
02:35:31,530 --> 02:35:32,559
- Yeah, you tell us that.

3871
02:35:32,560 --> 02:35:33,929
- If he's responsible for me, why couldn't...

3872
02:35:33,930 --> 02:35:35,118
- I don't know, I'm not a marriage counselor,

3873
02:35:35,119 --> 02:35:37,339
I don't know anything about marriages or anything like that.

3874
02:35:37,340 --> 02:35:38,200
I know about welfare.

3875
02:35:38,201 --> 02:35:41,004
- How long you think it'll take us to get help?

3876
02:35:41,005 --> 02:35:42,679
At least, man.

3877
02:35:42,680 --> 02:35:43,512
This is...

3878
02:35:43,513 --> 02:35:45,839
- We've accepted your case now.

3879
02:35:45,840 --> 02:35:47,609
I mean, you're just killing a dead horse.

3880
02:35:47,610 --> 02:35:49,207
- I'm just asking you because I'm tight, man.

3881
02:35:49,208 --> 02:35:50,669
I'm really tight for money,

3882
02:35:50,670 --> 02:35:52,269
I'll show you what I got in my pocket,

3883
02:35:52,270 --> 02:35:54,399
and what I have ate all day today since I been here,

3884
02:35:54,400 --> 02:35:55,233
you see?

3885
02:35:55,234 --> 02:35:57,099
That's what I got in my name, you understand?

3886
02:35:57,100 --> 02:35:57,933
That's all.

3887
02:35:57,934 --> 02:35:59,749
I'll pull out my wallet and I'll show you the same thing.

3888
02:35:59,750 --> 02:36:02,705
I don't have a dime to my name, practically.

3889
02:36:02,706 --> 02:36:03,700
- Get a job.

3890
02:36:03,701 --> 02:36:05,339
- Yeah, you want to help me get a job?

3891
02:36:05,340 --> 02:36:07,059
- That's your only vocabulary, get a job,

3892
02:36:07,060 --> 02:36:08,319
to everybody that comes in here.

3893
02:36:08,320 --> 02:36:10,029
- What about the letter the doctor sent you?

3894
02:36:10,030 --> 02:36:11,559
That said that I wasn't able to go to work

3895
02:36:11,560 --> 02:36:13,759
because I have to be rehabilitated?

3896
02:36:13,760 --> 02:36:15,699
- Inconclusive doctor's statement.

3897
02:36:15,700 --> 02:36:19,011
That's why we're giving you a medical examination.

3898
02:36:19,012 --> 02:36:21,309
- You are really inconclusive.

3899
02:36:21,310 --> 02:36:24,239
All I wanted to do is get help until I get on my feet,

3900
02:36:24,240 --> 02:36:26,510
and believe me, I wouldn't be here after you.

3901
02:36:28,505 --> 02:36:31,020
Man, I wish I were by myself now.

3902
02:36:32,670 --> 02:36:34,919
- If you were by yourself she'd gladly help you.

3903
02:36:34,920 --> 02:36:36,829
- Of course, if I were by myself she might just do that,

3904
02:36:36,830 --> 02:36:37,989
help me then.

3905
02:36:37,990 --> 02:36:38,990
I'm a man, am I?

3906
02:36:41,780 --> 02:36:46,780
Now sir, what do you suggest, I go home of course.

3907
02:36:46,830 --> 02:36:48,699
- We're accepting her case.

3908
02:36:48,700 --> 02:36:50,048
Let's leave it at that.

3909
02:36:50,049 --> 02:36:53,809
Let's not bring it any further, let's not quarrel about it,

3910
02:36:53,810 --> 02:36:55,579
the fact is her case is being accepted,

3911
02:36:55,580 --> 02:36:56,680
we're not refusing it.

3912
02:36:57,630 --> 02:36:59,079
But there were certain other items

3913
02:36:59,080 --> 02:37:02,529
like the letter from her uncle that we need.

3914
02:37:02,530 --> 02:37:03,539
That's all there is to it.

3915
02:37:03,540 --> 02:37:05,439
- Okay, then for the bills that I got,

3916
02:37:05,440 --> 02:37:09,110
all the doctor bills, what I'll do, I just hold onto them?

3917
02:37:09,111 --> 02:37:11,739
I got plenty of bills, sir.

3918
02:37:11,740 --> 02:37:14,709
- Right now there's nothing much we can do about your bills

3919
02:37:14,710 --> 02:37:16,799
until we find out whether you're eligible or not.

3920
02:37:16,800 --> 02:37:18,289
She's eligible.

3921
02:37:18,290 --> 02:37:20,979
- But the meantime is that since October,

3922
02:37:20,980 --> 02:37:23,089
I've been, you know what I've been doing?

3923
02:37:23,090 --> 02:37:25,879
I have to sell my medication, my medicine, you understand?

3924
02:37:25,880 --> 02:37:27,709
And I'm not about to go to jail for nobody anymore,

3925
02:37:27,710 --> 02:37:28,543
you understand?

3926
02:37:28,544 --> 02:37:29,620
- Right, right.

3927
02:37:29,621 --> 02:37:32,058
- That's what they're gonna make me do here.

3928
02:37:32,059 --> 02:37:33,659
- That's up to you.

3929
02:37:33,660 --> 02:37:35,872
I mean, the path you take is up to you.

3930
02:37:35,873 --> 02:37:38,098
We've accepted her.

3931
02:37:38,099 --> 02:37:41,379
Now if the situation changes and we accept you,

3932
02:37:41,380 --> 02:37:43,379
that's a different story, but right now...

3933
02:37:43,380 --> 02:37:45,919
- Hold up, I really, all I want right now

3934
02:37:45,920 --> 02:37:47,618
is concerned that I get something to help her,

3935
02:37:47,619 --> 02:37:49,111
you understand?

3936
02:37:49,112 --> 02:37:50,079
- We're not accepting your case,

3937
02:37:50,080 --> 02:37:51,109
we can't give you a Medicaid card.

3938
02:37:51,110 --> 02:37:52,439
- If you accept her now you can give her

3939
02:37:52,440 --> 02:37:53,649
a Medicaid card.

3940
02:37:53,650 --> 02:37:54,483
Not me.

3941
02:37:54,484 --> 02:37:55,719
- She's getting a Medicaid card.

3942
02:37:55,720 --> 02:37:56,920
She'll get one.

3943
02:37:56,921 --> 02:37:57,881
- Okay.

3944
02:37:57,882 --> 02:37:58,919
Okay.

3945
02:37:58,920 --> 02:37:59,753
That's settled then.

3946
02:37:59,754 --> 02:38:00,979
Then I'll go home.

3947
02:38:00,980 --> 02:38:01,980
- Okay now.

3948
02:38:03,360 --> 02:38:04,193
- Thank you.

3949
02:38:04,193 --> 02:38:05,193
- All right.

3950
02:39:04,500 --> 02:39:06,389
- No, we can't give you an appointment, it's too late.

3951
02:39:06,390 --> 02:39:07,879
You have to come back tomorrow.

3952
02:39:07,880 --> 02:39:08,713
Right?

3953
02:39:08,714 --> 02:39:10,339
I said I don't have any money, I got 10 cents,

3954
02:39:10,340 --> 02:39:12,149
my rent is due tomorrow, I have nothing to live on.

3955
02:39:12,150 --> 02:39:13,909
I haven't eaten for three days.

3956
02:39:13,910 --> 02:39:16,969
- You just told me you had a ripped off Corvette.

3957
02:39:16,970 --> 02:39:18,549
- I got caught ripping off Corvettes

3958
02:39:18,550 --> 02:39:19,909
for $110 worth of stuff.

3959
02:39:19,910 --> 02:39:20,743
- And they let you go, right?

3960
02:39:20,744 --> 02:39:22,389
- That's right, I spent two hours explaining

3961
02:39:22,390 --> 02:39:23,759
how I ripped off the other four stores

3962
02:39:23,760 --> 02:39:25,159
over the last six months.

3963
02:39:25,160 --> 02:39:26,820
- And you just ripped off...

3964
02:39:26,821 --> 02:39:29,100
You said you ripped off Woolworth last night.

3965
02:39:29,101 --> 02:39:30,129
- Today.

3966
02:39:30,130 --> 02:39:32,009
Seven bars of chocolate.

3967
02:39:32,010 --> 02:39:33,899
- Seven bars of chocolate.

3968
02:39:33,900 --> 02:39:35,809
- I ate three and I gave four away.

3969
02:39:35,810 --> 02:39:37,429
- And you believe it's right to steal, right?

3970
02:39:37,430 --> 02:39:38,493
No.

3971
02:39:38,494 --> 02:39:39,840
Absolutely wrong.

3972
02:39:39,841 --> 02:39:40,674
Absolutely wrong to steal.

3973
02:39:40,675 --> 02:39:41,955
- You just told me before.

3974
02:39:42,680 --> 02:39:44,239
- Did I say it was right?

3975
02:39:44,240 --> 02:39:45,819
I said it was necessary.

3976
02:39:45,820 --> 02:39:47,419
There's a difference between right and necessary.

3977
02:39:47,420 --> 02:39:48,253
- Why's it necessary?

3978
02:39:48,254 --> 02:39:50,009
- Because I don't have the money to buy

3979
02:39:50,010 --> 02:39:53,229
what I have to steal, because the social service department

3980
02:39:53,230 --> 02:39:55,249
doesn't see fit, or the Social Security Administration

3981
02:39:55,250 --> 02:39:57,349
doesn't see fit to give me enough money to live on.

3982
02:39:57,350 --> 02:39:59,236
- You're a social security case now.

3983
02:39:59,237 --> 02:40:00,070
- Yeah.

3984
02:40:00,070 --> 02:40:00,930
- So why do you come to welfare?

3985
02:40:00,931 --> 02:40:02,459
- They sent me.

3986
02:40:02,460 --> 02:40:03,559
With a referral slip.

3987
02:40:03,560 --> 02:40:06,719
Which was stolen last night along with $1 billion worth

3988
02:40:06,720 --> 02:40:08,279
of original research that I've been working on

3989
02:40:08,280 --> 02:40:09,280
for three years.

3990
02:40:09,281 --> 02:40:10,819
Psychic research.

3991
02:40:10,820 --> 02:40:12,969
Mind control research.

3992
02:40:12,970 --> 02:40:13,970
In a red folder.

3993
02:40:15,181 --> 02:40:16,329
Stuff that it was hand written.

3994
02:40:16,330 --> 02:40:18,089
- Why don't you go downstairs, make an appointment,

3995
02:40:18,090 --> 02:40:21,019
do what's right, make an appointment with legal people.

3996
02:40:21,020 --> 02:40:21,853
- For tomorrow.

3997
02:40:21,853 --> 02:40:22,686
- Yeah, do what's right.

3998
02:40:22,687 --> 02:40:23,969
- What do I do for tonight?

3999
02:40:23,970 --> 02:40:25,049
What do I do for rent money?

4000
02:40:25,050 --> 02:40:26,499
What do I do for food money?

4001
02:40:26,500 --> 02:40:28,705
I haven't eaten in three days now.

4002
02:40:28,706 --> 02:40:30,579
Except what I steal.

4003
02:40:30,580 --> 02:40:32,539
Except what I steal, I can't steal a chicken.

4004
02:40:32,540 --> 02:40:34,980
I can't steal a steak, it doesn't fit in my pocket.

4005
02:40:35,930 --> 02:40:37,889
I can only steal Hershey bars,

4006
02:40:37,890 --> 02:40:40,039
and cheap packages of cheese,

4007
02:40:40,040 --> 02:40:42,839
and you know, cans of fruit.

4008
02:40:42,840 --> 02:40:44,609
- Mr. Hirsch, there's nothing we can do for you.

4009
02:40:44,610 --> 02:40:45,682
- I know.

4010
02:40:45,683 --> 02:40:47,129
- Nothing we can do, I'm sorry.

4011
02:40:47,130 --> 02:40:48,239
- I know you can't.

4012
02:40:48,240 --> 02:40:50,679
Social security can't because I'm over the maximum.

4013
02:40:50,680 --> 02:40:52,489
You can't because it's too late.

4014
02:40:52,490 --> 02:40:54,120
- You received a check from us recently.

4015
02:40:54,121 --> 02:40:56,890
- No, I didn't, it was sent back.

4016
02:40:56,891 --> 02:41:00,209
$147.35.

4017
02:41:00,210 --> 02:41:01,559
I never got it.

4018
02:41:01,560 --> 02:41:02,879
It was sent to the hotel I was at,

4019
02:41:02,880 --> 02:41:05,359
but I had to check out because I didn't get it on the 16th.

4020
02:41:05,360 --> 02:41:07,389
It came on the 18th, and I wasn't there anymore

4021
02:41:07,390 --> 02:41:09,309
because I didn't have the money for the rent.

4022
02:41:09,310 --> 02:41:11,310
So the manager sent it back on the 19th,

4023
02:41:12,450 --> 02:41:15,239
and then Mr. Vagen for some reason

4024
02:41:15,240 --> 02:41:17,789
sent me to social security, I don't know why.

4025
02:41:17,790 --> 02:41:19,139
Without any money.

4026
02:41:19,140 --> 02:41:20,000
Without ever seeing that check.

4027
02:41:20,001 --> 02:41:21,809
- It's my understanding you received a check.

4028
02:41:21,810 --> 02:41:23,429
- I never received any check.

4029
02:41:23,430 --> 02:41:25,281
- Then discuss it with Mr. Vagen, don't discuss it with me.

4030
02:41:25,282 --> 02:41:27,099
- Where's Mr. Vagen?

4031
02:41:27,100 --> 02:41:28,456
- He'll be here shortly.

4032
02:41:28,457 --> 02:41:29,290
Have a wait outside.

4033
02:41:29,290 --> 02:41:30,290
- Yeah, why not?

4034
02:41:31,065 --> 02:41:31,898
I'll wait.

4035
02:41:31,899 --> 02:41:33,459
I've been waiting for the last 124 days

4036
02:41:33,460 --> 02:41:34,999
since I got out of the hospital.

4037
02:41:35,000 --> 02:41:36,149
Waiting for something.

4038
02:41:36,150 --> 02:41:37,233
Gadot?

4039
02:41:37,234 --> 02:41:39,349
I mean you know what happens in the story of Gadot,

4040
02:41:39,350 --> 02:41:40,350
he never came.

4041
02:41:41,380 --> 02:41:44,169
That's what I'm waiting for, something that'll never come.

4042
02:41:44,170 --> 02:41:45,790
Equity, justice.

4043
02:41:47,030 --> 02:41:48,659
Justice.

4044
02:41:48,660 --> 02:41:51,959
Under this great democratic society of ours

4045
02:41:51,960 --> 02:41:55,249
where everybody is equal under the law, you know.

4046
02:41:55,250 --> 02:41:56,319
Lincoln said that, didn't he?

4047
02:41:56,320 --> 02:41:58,189
All men are created equal?

4048
02:41:58,190 --> 02:42:00,379
Lincoln never took an army physical, you know.

4049
02:42:00,380 --> 02:42:02,189
You should know that.

4050
02:42:02,190 --> 02:42:03,559
Equal, what's equality?

4051
02:42:03,560 --> 02:42:06,289
Equality is when somebody has and somebody hasn't,

4052
02:42:06,290 --> 02:42:08,979
and the one that hasn't tries to rip off the one that has.

4053
02:42:08,980 --> 02:42:10,529
And the one that has tries to keep what he's got.

4054
02:42:10,530 --> 02:42:12,749
And there's nothing in the middle anymore.

4055
02:42:12,750 --> 02:42:14,444
You either have it or you don't have it.

4056
02:42:14,445 --> 02:42:15,278
You know.

4057
02:42:15,279 --> 02:42:16,339
It's not a matter of middle, you know,

4058
02:42:16,340 --> 02:42:17,419
there's no middle class anymore,

4059
02:42:17,420 --> 02:42:19,310
there's just the rich and the poor.

4060
02:42:20,285 --> 02:42:21,600
And I'm one of the poor.

4061
02:42:22,640 --> 02:42:24,040
In fact destitute, not poor.

4062
02:42:24,993 --> 02:42:25,990
And I don't like the feeling.

4063
02:42:25,991 --> 02:42:28,040
Not with 22 years of education behind me.

4064
02:42:28,960 --> 02:42:31,789
Not with 17 years of service to this state.

4065
02:42:31,790 --> 02:42:34,410
Not with a $23,000 plus income when I was working.

4066
02:42:35,410 --> 02:42:37,740
Plus my private practice which brought in

4067
02:42:37,741 --> 02:42:38,981
another three or four thousand.

4068
02:42:40,072 --> 02:42:42,039
No, but after being in the hospital

4069
02:42:42,040 --> 02:42:44,640
for seven months and eight days up until September,

4070
02:42:44,641 --> 02:42:47,559
and not being considered fit to go back to work,

4071
02:42:47,560 --> 02:42:49,979
and having to resign rather than be fired...

4072
02:42:49,980 --> 02:42:51,337
- Sit outside now.

4073
02:42:51,338 --> 02:42:52,399
- I only got another 11 days to go

4074
02:42:52,400 --> 02:42:54,799
until they fire me from that 17 year job.

4075
02:42:54,800 --> 02:42:59,650
- Go and sit down.

4076
02:43:03,170 --> 02:43:04,409
- You're the law, man.

4077
02:43:04,410 --> 02:43:05,410
You're the man.

4078
02:43:07,102 --> 02:43:10,379
Everybody's the man when you don't have anything.

4079
02:43:10,380 --> 02:43:11,500
Everybody's the boss.

4080
02:43:15,845 --> 02:43:19,502
If it doesn't change in the next 15 years by 1988,

4081
02:43:19,503 --> 02:43:23,289
there will be no United States of America,

4082
02:43:23,290 --> 02:43:25,849
there will be nobody here worth saving.

4083
02:43:25,850 --> 02:43:29,139
Everybody who was worth saving will be someplace else,

4084
02:43:29,140 --> 02:43:30,690
and I'll be the first to leave.

4085
02:43:31,740 --> 02:43:34,579
Because for 40 years and seven months I've tried.

4086
02:43:34,580 --> 02:43:37,360
God knows I've tried to help.

4087
02:43:38,286 --> 02:43:41,840
Now I can't even help myself, let alone anybody else.

4088
02:43:44,310 --> 02:43:46,280
How can you help anybody on 11 cents?

4089
02:43:47,990 --> 02:43:49,325
Five days.

4090
02:43:57,770 --> 02:44:02,150
Lord, I don't know, but you still don't want me to live.

4091
02:44:03,606 --> 02:44:05,887
You still don't want me to do anything that I want to do.

4092
02:44:07,250 --> 02:44:08,800
Still want me to do your thing.

4093
02:44:10,410 --> 02:44:11,410
And suffer.

4094
02:44:12,720 --> 02:44:15,560
I gotta suffer for everybody else who's gone before.

4095
02:44:19,820 --> 02:44:21,629
Okay, if that's what you want,

4096
02:44:21,630 --> 02:44:23,559
that's the way it's gonna be.

4097
02:44:23,560 --> 02:44:25,610
We've had this agreement for a while now.

4098
02:44:26,510 --> 02:44:28,368
I'm not backing down.

4099
02:44:28,369 --> 02:44:30,170
If you want to that's your business.

4100
02:44:31,100 --> 02:44:33,750
I'll stay with it until it's over.

4101
02:44:34,680 --> 02:44:36,379
Whenever that is.

4102
02:44:36,380 --> 02:44:38,721
And if you don't want me to eat,

4103
02:44:38,722 --> 02:44:40,169
if you don't want me to sleep,

4104
02:44:40,170 --> 02:44:41,619
if you don't want me to work,

4105
02:44:42,965 --> 02:44:43,965
I won't.

4106
02:44:44,946 --> 02:44:46,669
And if you want me to keep wandering

4107
02:44:46,670 --> 02:44:50,118
the way we've been wandering for 5735 years

4108
02:44:50,119 --> 02:44:51,399
I'll keep wandering.

4109
02:44:51,400 --> 02:44:54,280
You know that doesn't bother me.

4110
02:44:55,170 --> 02:44:58,919
Even if there's no one, no one in this whole world

4111
02:44:58,920 --> 02:45:00,520
that listens to me, I'll wander.

4112
02:45:01,900 --> 02:45:04,300
Until you're ready to decide where I belong.

4113
02:45:06,170 --> 02:45:07,170
A place, a home.

4114
02:45:08,290 --> 02:45:09,780
People, friends.

4115
02:45:12,400 --> 02:45:13,400
Whenever that'll be.

4116
02:45:15,201 --> 02:45:16,801
I got all the time in the world.

4117
02:45:18,637 --> 02:45:20,859
And thank god all the patience.

4118
02:45:20,860 --> 02:45:23,560
And the strength, and the understanding.

4119
02:45:26,494 --> 02:45:27,494
Thank you.