1 00:00:00,781 --> 00:00:02,241 - In the criminal justice system, 2 00:00:02,533 --> 00:00:04,034 sexually based offenses 3 00:00:04,059 --> 00:00:06,102 are considered especially heinous. 4 00:00:06,378 --> 00:00:08,839 In New York City, the dedicated detectives 5 00:00:08,864 --> 00:00:10,532 who investigate these vicious felonies 6 00:00:10,557 --> 00:00:12,100 are members of an elite squad 7 00:00:12,125 --> 00:00:13,793 known as the Special Victims Unit. 8 00:00:14,059 --> 00:00:15,769 These are their stories. 9 00:00:22,480 --> 00:00:25,483 [indistinct chatter] 10 00:00:25,956 --> 00:00:27,707 - I am so sorry. 11 00:00:27,791 --> 00:00:29,251 - Take it easy. You made it, you made it. 12 00:00:29,292 --> 00:00:32,254 Come here. Sit down. 13 00:00:32,337 --> 00:00:34,548 Excuse me, can I get a glass of wine here? 14 00:00:34,673 --> 00:00:36,091 - Uh, did you hear from your mother? 15 00:00:36,174 --> 00:00:38,176 - Yeah, the last report from Staten Island 16 00:00:38,218 --> 00:00:39,719 is that the kids are making popcorn, 17 00:00:39,845 --> 00:00:41,179 they're watching movies 18 00:00:41,304 --> 00:00:42,430 that they probably shouldn't be watching, 19 00:00:42,514 --> 00:00:44,141 but everybody's happy. 20 00:00:44,224 --> 00:00:45,976 - Thank you. - Uh... 21 00:00:46,059 --> 00:00:47,310 Liv keep you late, or...? 22 00:00:47,352 --> 00:00:48,770 - No, she had to kick me out. 23 00:00:48,854 --> 00:00:52,774 I--I just-- I lost track of time. 24 00:00:52,899 --> 00:00:54,568 I'm really sorry. - No, no, no. 25 00:00:54,651 --> 00:00:56,528 Relax, relax. Look. 26 00:00:56,570 --> 00:00:57,821 Sounds to me like you're finally back 27 00:00:57,863 --> 00:00:59,614 in a job that makes you happy. 28 00:00:59,698 --> 00:01:01,908 - I am. 29 00:01:01,950 --> 00:01:03,952 Happy. 30 00:01:04,035 --> 00:01:05,287 It's just weird. 31 00:01:05,412 --> 00:01:06,705 - Why is that weird? - I don't know. 32 00:01:06,746 --> 00:01:09,332 I'm just-- I guess I'm just used to 33 00:01:09,457 --> 00:01:13,378 hopping around different jobs, and this feels... 34 00:01:13,461 --> 00:01:15,380 permanent. 35 00:01:15,463 --> 00:01:16,631 - Enjoy it. 36 00:01:16,715 --> 00:01:17,674 Be bored. 37 00:01:17,716 --> 00:01:19,259 - Mm. - Just for a minute. 38 00:01:19,301 --> 00:01:20,427 Here. 39 00:01:22,220 --> 00:01:24,097 Happy second anniversary. 40 00:01:24,139 --> 00:01:25,182 - Yes. 41 00:01:25,265 --> 00:01:26,183 [glasses clink] 42 00:01:28,351 --> 00:01:29,436 I don't think that's how it goes. 43 00:01:29,519 --> 00:01:30,520 - [chuckles] 44 00:01:32,564 --> 00:01:35,108 - Uh, silence is almost eerie. 45 00:01:35,192 --> 00:01:36,485 - Hear me complaining? 46 00:01:36,568 --> 00:01:38,612 Hey, I'm gonna take a shower. 47 00:01:38,737 --> 00:01:39,988 Don't you go anywhere. 48 00:01:40,071 --> 00:01:41,031 - Mm. 49 00:01:45,243 --> 00:01:47,704 [glass crunches] 50 00:01:47,787 --> 00:01:50,707 [tense music] 51 00:01:50,790 --> 00:01:52,334 ♪ ♪ 52 00:01:52,417 --> 00:01:54,711 Sonny? 53 00:01:58,423 --> 00:01:59,382 Sonny? 54 00:01:59,466 --> 00:02:06,431 ♪ ♪ 55 00:02:20,278 --> 00:02:21,154 Drop it. 56 00:02:21,279 --> 00:02:22,364 - Lower the gun. 57 00:02:22,447 --> 00:02:23,824 - Drop it or I'll shoot. 58 00:02:23,990 --> 00:02:27,410 - Shoot and Counselor Carisi dies, Sergeant Rollins. 59 00:02:27,494 --> 00:02:29,454 - It's okay, it's okay. 60 00:02:29,538 --> 00:02:31,665 - Put it on the ground. Kick it to me. 61 00:02:31,748 --> 00:02:32,499 - There's still time to get out of this. 62 00:02:32,541 --> 00:02:34,918 - Do it! 63 00:02:35,001 --> 00:02:42,008 ♪ ♪ 64 00:02:43,593 --> 00:02:44,803 I said to me! 65 00:02:44,886 --> 00:02:46,179 - Just forget about the gun. 66 00:02:46,263 --> 00:02:48,014 Just--just tell us what you want. 67 00:02:48,056 --> 00:02:49,099 - Back up. 68 00:02:52,602 --> 00:02:54,020 - All right. 69 00:02:55,814 --> 00:02:58,191 - He walks over slow. 70 00:02:58,358 --> 00:02:59,442 You tie him up. 71 00:02:59,484 --> 00:03:00,610 - I'm not doing that. 72 00:03:00,694 --> 00:03:01,903 - I'm in control. 73 00:03:01,987 --> 00:03:03,822 - Amanda. 74 00:03:07,242 --> 00:03:09,161 - Do it! 75 00:03:09,244 --> 00:03:11,538 Unravel it. 76 00:03:11,580 --> 00:03:12,664 - No. 77 00:03:13,999 --> 00:03:14,916 - Unravel it! 78 00:03:15,000 --> 00:03:15,917 [grunts] 79 00:03:16,042 --> 00:03:22,883 ♪ ♪ 80 00:03:22,924 --> 00:03:24,092 - [groans] 81 00:03:24,134 --> 00:03:24,968 - Don't move. 82 00:03:25,051 --> 00:03:26,803 [gunshot] 83 00:03:29,431 --> 00:03:30,515 - Are you okay? - I'm okay, I'm okay. 84 00:03:30,640 --> 00:03:31,933 Go, go. Go. 85 00:03:32,017 --> 00:03:38,899 ♪ ♪ 86 00:03:38,982 --> 00:03:41,902 - [panting] 87 00:03:52,662 --> 00:03:55,499 [dramatic music] 88 00:03:55,582 --> 00:04:02,589 ♪ ♪ 89 00:04:40,046 --> 00:04:42,023 - Amanda, it's funny. - Anything? 90 00:04:42,048 --> 00:04:43,508 - Uh, not yet, 91 00:04:43,591 --> 00:04:45,051 but we have every cop in the city on the lookout. 92 00:04:45,135 --> 00:04:46,886 - Okay, just make sure that they have his full description. 93 00:04:46,970 --> 00:04:48,596 Um, he was white. 94 00:04:48,638 --> 00:04:50,807 Um, he was young, 20s, probably. 95 00:04:50,849 --> 00:04:52,725 He had medium build. He had brown eyes. 96 00:04:52,767 --> 00:04:54,060 - Okay, Amanda, we got it. 97 00:04:54,144 --> 00:04:55,186 Why don't--why don't you have a seat, honey? 98 00:04:55,270 --> 00:04:56,646 Okay? 99 00:04:56,771 --> 00:04:59,482 Look, is there anything at all familiar about him? 100 00:04:59,607 --> 00:05:02,402 Did you--the sound of his voice, a familiar scent? 101 00:05:02,485 --> 00:05:03,444 - No, if we know him, we didn't recognize him. 102 00:05:03,611 --> 00:05:04,904 - No. 103 00:05:05,029 --> 00:05:06,406 - But he sure as hell knew who we were. 104 00:05:06,489 --> 00:05:07,824 - Yeah, he knew our names. And he knew how to break in. 105 00:05:07,907 --> 00:05:09,742 He was waiting here for us, Liv. 106 00:05:09,826 --> 00:05:12,162 - Did he say anything that gives us motive, anything? 107 00:05:12,287 --> 00:05:13,746 - Oh, he wanted us both dead. 108 00:05:13,830 --> 00:05:15,373 Okay? He didn't need to say it. 109 00:05:15,415 --> 00:05:17,083 - And the way he referred to us, Sergeant, Counselor-- 110 00:05:17,208 --> 00:05:19,335 like, I know that we're looking at a targeted attack, 111 00:05:19,419 --> 00:05:21,171 but I think it could be revenge. 112 00:05:21,254 --> 00:05:23,631 - I'm sending a protective detail, okay? 113 00:05:23,715 --> 00:05:25,925 To Staten Island for your kids and your parents. 114 00:05:26,009 --> 00:05:30,638 And I'm putting you two in a hotel until we know more. 115 00:05:30,722 --> 00:05:32,682 - Good. - This could've-- 116 00:05:32,724 --> 00:05:34,934 this could have been really, really bad. 117 00:05:35,018 --> 00:05:37,645 - And it wasn't because you kept your head about you 118 00:05:37,729 --> 00:05:39,230 and you protected yourself. 119 00:05:39,314 --> 00:05:41,065 And you are safe and your children are safe. 120 00:05:41,149 --> 00:05:42,358 We're gonna- - Widen the perimeter. 121 00:05:42,400 --> 00:05:44,736 And I want a patrol car on every block 122 00:05:44,861 --> 00:05:48,156 a mile out until we say otherwise. 123 00:05:49,908 --> 00:05:52,744 Hey, uh, I just wanted to see with my own eyes 124 00:05:52,827 --> 00:05:53,912 that you were all right. 125 00:05:54,037 --> 00:05:55,205 - We're fine. Thank you, Chief. 126 00:05:55,288 --> 00:05:56,748 - The department is devoting 127 00:05:56,873 --> 00:05:59,209 every available resource to this. 128 00:05:59,292 --> 00:06:01,794 We will be meticulous and swift. 129 00:06:01,836 --> 00:06:05,006 Um, my personal number. 130 00:06:05,089 --> 00:06:07,300 Call any time. - Appreciate it, Chief. 131 00:06:08,384 --> 00:06:10,136 - Yeah. 132 00:06:12,138 --> 00:06:14,182 [both sigh] 133 00:06:15,683 --> 00:06:18,645 - [sighs] - You all right? 134 00:06:18,686 --> 00:06:20,688 - You want the honest answer? 135 00:06:20,772 --> 00:06:22,357 - Me neither. - [sighs] 136 00:06:22,440 --> 00:06:23,817 - When it happens to one of us, it happens to all of us. 137 00:06:23,900 --> 00:06:25,276 - Yeah. 138 00:06:25,360 --> 00:06:27,237 - I'm here to support you, whatever you need. 139 00:06:29,447 --> 00:06:32,826 - Well, I want is for you to take the lead on this. 140 00:06:32,867 --> 00:06:33,827 And before you answer-- 141 00:06:33,910 --> 00:06:35,370 - Done. 142 00:06:35,453 --> 00:06:37,372 - Wow, okay. 143 00:06:37,497 --> 00:06:39,040 Uh, thank you. 144 00:06:39,082 --> 00:06:41,709 - She'll, uh, need to be on modified 145 00:06:41,751 --> 00:06:43,211 while the shooting is being reviewed. 146 00:06:43,336 --> 00:06:44,546 - Of course. 147 00:06:44,629 --> 00:06:46,130 - Give up her gun, 148 00:06:46,172 --> 00:06:47,423 which I imagine will go over like a lead balloon. 149 00:06:47,507 --> 00:06:50,051 - She-- she understands protocol. 150 00:06:50,135 --> 00:06:52,971 - Still, if you need me to be the bad guy, I'll take the hit. 151 00:06:53,054 --> 00:06:55,890 Tell her I won't listen to reason. 152 00:06:56,015 --> 00:06:57,225 - I appreciate that. 153 00:06:59,185 --> 00:07:01,563 I'll handle it. - Sure. 154 00:07:01,646 --> 00:07:06,734 - And, um, I'll get her on top of the list for the psych eval. 155 00:07:06,818 --> 00:07:09,362 You just find who did this. 156 00:07:09,445 --> 00:07:11,030 - I will. 157 00:07:14,701 --> 00:07:16,828 Hey, what did we get from the witnesses? 158 00:07:16,870 --> 00:07:17,996 - Neighbor's a bust. 159 00:07:18,079 --> 00:07:19,247 He heard the guy in the fire escape. 160 00:07:19,330 --> 00:07:20,456 He couldn't get a good look. 161 00:07:20,540 --> 00:07:22,083 - But the Amazon driver did, 162 00:07:22,125 --> 00:07:23,960 said that he saw a man in a COVID mask 163 00:07:24,085 --> 00:07:24,961 get into a blue Honda. 164 00:07:25,086 --> 00:07:26,045 - We get a license plate? 165 00:07:26,087 --> 00:07:28,214 - No. Let me show you why. 166 00:07:30,842 --> 00:07:32,886 The plate's got some kind of cover on it. 167 00:07:32,927 --> 00:07:34,053 The guy knows what he's doing. 168 00:07:34,137 --> 00:07:35,513 - It's too far away to ID the driver, 169 00:07:35,597 --> 00:07:37,098 but the perp gets into the passenger side. 170 00:07:37,223 --> 00:07:38,641 - Which means that he had an accomplice. 171 00:07:38,683 --> 00:07:40,268 - Did any other cameras pick this up? 172 00:07:40,351 --> 00:07:41,519 - No, none better than this. 173 00:07:41,644 --> 00:07:43,104 We'll put out an APB on what we got. 174 00:07:43,229 --> 00:07:44,731 - Okay, did we get anything back from the labs? 175 00:07:44,856 --> 00:07:46,191 - No prints on the cord that was left behind, 176 00:07:46,316 --> 00:07:48,943 but they're pushing his blood through CODIS. 177 00:07:48,985 --> 00:07:50,612 - Hey, where's-- where's Rollins? 178 00:07:54,616 --> 00:07:55,950 So tell me you wanna be alone 179 00:07:56,034 --> 00:07:57,368 without telling me you wanna be alone. 180 00:07:57,494 --> 00:07:59,329 - I just needed to focus. 181 00:07:59,412 --> 00:08:01,331 - Yeah, focus on your old cases? 182 00:08:01,414 --> 00:08:03,208 - I've got it narrowed down. 183 00:08:03,291 --> 00:08:06,920 - Based on what? - Motive and recent releases. 184 00:08:06,961 --> 00:08:08,129 Here's Robert Watson. 185 00:08:08,171 --> 00:08:09,714 He was a fire escape peeping Tom 186 00:08:09,797 --> 00:08:12,258 we collared few weeks ago for the third time. 187 00:08:12,300 --> 00:08:13,635 Somehow he made bail. 188 00:08:13,802 --> 00:08:15,887 Michael Simmons, a rapist who was escalating 189 00:08:15,970 --> 00:08:17,847 when I arrested him ten years ago. 190 00:08:17,931 --> 00:08:19,724 He was released last month. 191 00:08:19,849 --> 00:08:21,893 Then we got Bruce Ingram. 192 00:08:21,976 --> 00:08:24,646 He threatened to kill Carisi after his arraignment. 193 00:08:24,813 --> 00:08:26,356 Um, he was just found not guilty at trial. 194 00:08:26,481 --> 00:08:28,149 - Yeah, I remember him. 195 00:08:28,191 --> 00:08:29,651 He had a bogus alibi. - Mm-hmm. 196 00:08:29,776 --> 00:08:32,237 - But then DNA exonerated him in the final hour. 197 00:08:32,362 --> 00:08:34,864 - Could still hold a grudge, so I figured I'll run 'em down, 198 00:08:34,948 --> 00:08:36,658 uh, rule 'em out with their voices. 199 00:08:36,741 --> 00:08:39,452 - Yeah, okay, so, uh, we knew that the review of the shooting 200 00:08:39,577 --> 00:08:41,079 would come back clean. - Yeah. 201 00:08:41,204 --> 00:08:43,122 - But you still need to clear psych. 202 00:08:43,206 --> 00:08:45,834 - Yeah, but look, Bruno's out, you know, for a funeral. 203 00:08:45,875 --> 00:08:47,168 We're down a man, so I just figured-- 204 00:08:47,293 --> 00:08:48,586 - You figured--figured what? 205 00:08:48,711 --> 00:08:52,090 You figured I'd just let you skip that part? 206 00:08:52,131 --> 00:08:54,300 No, that's--that's-- it's just not good for anyone. 207 00:08:54,425 --> 00:08:58,972 Plus, Tynan, uh, is expediting your appointment. 208 00:08:59,055 --> 00:09:00,431 - Great. - Yeah. 209 00:09:00,515 --> 00:09:02,142 - All right, so the quicker it's done, the better. 210 00:09:02,225 --> 00:09:06,271 - Yeah, the quicker you talk to someone, the better. 211 00:09:06,396 --> 00:09:11,442 Because, if you don't, it'll only get worse. 212 00:09:11,568 --> 00:09:14,612 In the meantime, I'll have Curry and Griffin... 213 00:09:14,696 --> 00:09:16,406 [taps table] Pay these three a visit. 214 00:09:19,534 --> 00:09:20,618 - Talk to my attorney. 215 00:09:20,702 --> 00:09:21,870 - Not the best way to start, Bruce. 216 00:09:21,911 --> 00:09:23,121 - But they found me not guilty. 217 00:09:23,204 --> 00:09:24,247 Can't you people just leave me alone? 218 00:09:24,372 --> 00:09:25,790 - This isn't about that case. 219 00:09:25,915 --> 00:09:28,334 It's about Assistant District Attorney Carisi. 220 00:09:28,418 --> 00:09:30,461 - Never heard of him. - No? 221 00:09:30,503 --> 00:09:31,921 Well, he's the prosecutor that you threatened to kill 222 00:09:32,046 --> 00:09:33,214 after your arraignment. 223 00:09:33,298 --> 00:09:34,841 Or does that not ring any bells? 224 00:09:34,924 --> 00:09:36,176 - What about him? 225 00:09:36,259 --> 00:09:37,927 - He and his wife were attacked last night. 226 00:09:38,011 --> 00:09:39,721 - It's got nothing to do with me. 227 00:09:39,846 --> 00:09:43,308 - So threatening to kill him was what, a hilarious joke? 228 00:09:43,349 --> 00:09:45,059 - I was mad. 229 00:09:45,143 --> 00:09:47,187 Cops accused me of hurting that girl. 230 00:09:47,312 --> 00:09:48,563 That prosecutor tried to seal the deal. 231 00:09:48,646 --> 00:09:49,606 He ruined my life. 232 00:09:49,689 --> 00:09:51,441 - Sounds like motive. 233 00:09:51,566 --> 00:09:52,817 - You already got my DNA. 234 00:09:52,859 --> 00:09:54,652 - Yeah, we do. 235 00:09:54,736 --> 00:09:56,446 But if you want me out of your hair faster, 236 00:09:56,488 --> 00:09:58,531 give me a voice recording and an alibi. 237 00:10:00,074 --> 00:10:02,368 - I was here working. 238 00:10:02,494 --> 00:10:05,288 And I did my time. Don't I get a second chance? 239 00:10:05,371 --> 00:10:06,956 - Yeah, looks like you're living it. 240 00:10:07,040 --> 00:10:10,084 - [scoffs] Only place that would hire me. 241 00:10:10,210 --> 00:10:12,629 It's better than being locked up like some caged animal. 242 00:10:12,670 --> 00:10:15,381 - Well, ten years, oof, it's a long time. 243 00:10:15,507 --> 00:10:18,301 Maybe long enough to want Sergeant Rollins dead. 244 00:10:20,887 --> 00:10:21,846 - She's dead? 245 00:10:21,930 --> 00:10:25,058 - No, but someone tried. 246 00:10:25,141 --> 00:10:28,228 And it looks like that doesn't surprise you. 247 00:10:28,311 --> 00:10:30,188 - I didn't do it. 248 00:10:30,271 --> 00:10:31,648 But you hear things on the inside. 249 00:10:31,731 --> 00:10:33,191 I'm not the only one she put away. 250 00:10:33,316 --> 00:10:35,318 - Anyone who's capable of doing this? 251 00:10:35,443 --> 00:10:36,611 - None I'd be willing to say. 252 00:10:36,778 --> 00:10:38,071 - Hey. 253 00:10:38,196 --> 00:10:40,073 You like being out of the cage, right? 254 00:10:42,325 --> 00:10:46,704 Let's keep it that way. Give me names and your voice. 255 00:10:46,746 --> 00:10:51,042 - Shoot, and Counselor Carisi dies, Sergeant Rollins. 256 00:10:51,167 --> 00:10:52,043 - It's not them. - Are you sure? 257 00:10:52,085 --> 00:10:54,212 - No, I'm positive. 258 00:10:54,295 --> 00:10:56,047 Anything on the names that Simmons gave us? 259 00:10:56,089 --> 00:10:58,174 - Griffin checked them out. They're all still in prison. 260 00:10:58,258 --> 00:11:00,718 - Okay, and did we talk to Robert Watson? 261 00:11:00,844 --> 00:11:02,720 - Talked to his parole officer. 262 00:11:02,762 --> 00:11:05,014 Watson was in Central Booking at the time of the attack. 263 00:11:05,140 --> 00:11:05,932 - Still nothing on the blue Honda? 264 00:11:06,057 --> 00:11:07,392 - Not yet. 265 00:11:07,475 --> 00:11:08,601 I mean, my guess is, they either ditched it 266 00:11:08,768 --> 00:11:09,936 or they're laying low somewhere. 267 00:11:09,978 --> 00:11:11,563 - Or they uncovered the plates 268 00:11:11,646 --> 00:11:13,106 and they're halfway to the Midwest right now 269 00:11:13,148 --> 00:11:14,357 and we are back to square one. 270 00:11:14,524 --> 00:11:15,483 [knock at door] 271 00:11:15,608 --> 00:11:16,776 - Okay. - Yeah. 272 00:11:16,860 --> 00:11:18,319 - Perp's blood came back from the lab. 273 00:11:18,444 --> 00:11:21,197 Matched an attempted murder from a week ago in Brooklyn. 274 00:11:21,322 --> 00:11:23,867 Vic's name, Diana Vitale, 62. 275 00:11:23,908 --> 00:11:25,201 Neighbor found her tied up with a cord. 276 00:11:25,243 --> 00:11:27,829 Multiple stab wounds-- - Wait, I know that name. 277 00:11:27,912 --> 00:11:29,622 Diana Vitale. She's a court reporter. 278 00:11:29,706 --> 00:11:30,915 She's retired now, 279 00:11:30,999 --> 00:11:32,250 but she worked a lot of trials with Carisi. 280 00:11:32,333 --> 00:11:33,918 - Brooklyn Homicide get any leads? 281 00:11:34,002 --> 00:11:35,336 - Not yet, no. But Vitale survived. 282 00:11:35,420 --> 00:11:36,337 She's still in the hospital. 283 00:11:36,421 --> 00:11:37,463 - Great, I'll talk to her. 284 00:11:37,547 --> 00:11:39,090 - I can-- 285 00:11:39,132 --> 00:11:42,343 - Amanda, you still need to get to your psych eval. 286 00:11:42,427 --> 00:11:44,596 You gotta do it. - Yeah. 287 00:11:44,679 --> 00:11:46,431 Thanks. 288 00:11:46,473 --> 00:11:49,934 [tense music] 289 00:11:49,976 --> 00:11:51,978 - Diana Vitale. 290 00:11:52,103 --> 00:11:54,147 A stab in the back that led to paralysis. 291 00:11:54,189 --> 00:11:56,399 Two more to the abdomen, one of which punctured her stomach. 292 00:11:56,524 --> 00:11:58,776 Led to sepsis we couldn't control. 293 00:11:58,860 --> 00:12:00,778 She was one of yours? 294 00:12:00,862 --> 00:12:02,697 - She is now. 295 00:12:11,581 --> 00:12:12,373 [door squeaks] 296 00:12:09,832 --> 00:12:10,750 - Ready, Amanda? 297 00:12:15,166 --> 00:12:16,631 - You come out of retirement just for me? 298 00:12:16,756 --> 00:12:18,090 - [chuckles] - [sighs] 299 00:12:18,174 --> 00:12:20,218 - I still fill in from time to time, 300 00:12:20,259 --> 00:12:22,887 especially at Olivia's request. 301 00:12:29,894 --> 00:12:32,647 - Uh, yeah, so I'm sleeping fine. 302 00:12:32,730 --> 00:12:34,607 There's no insomnia, no nightmares. 303 00:12:34,732 --> 00:12:36,776 - Any re-experiencing? 304 00:12:36,901 --> 00:12:39,195 - A little. - What crosses your mind? 305 00:12:39,278 --> 00:12:41,113 - What I would have done differently. 306 00:12:41,197 --> 00:12:43,157 What--what-- 307 00:12:43,241 --> 00:12:46,494 could have happened if my kids were home. 308 00:12:46,577 --> 00:12:48,329 - When you go to that place, how do you feel? 309 00:12:48,412 --> 00:12:50,039 - Angry. 310 00:12:53,167 --> 00:12:54,669 Powerless. 311 00:12:54,794 --> 00:12:58,297 But after that, um, you know, I feel focused. 312 00:12:58,422 --> 00:12:59,841 - So I've heard. 313 00:12:59,966 --> 00:13:02,552 Benson tells me you've hit the ground running. 314 00:13:02,593 --> 00:13:03,928 - What else does she tell you? 315 00:13:03,970 --> 00:13:08,724 - She told me you returned recently to SVU. 316 00:13:08,808 --> 00:13:13,187 Before that, a stint at Intel, professor at Fordham. 317 00:13:13,271 --> 00:13:15,731 You like to move around. 318 00:13:15,857 --> 00:13:17,150 - I don't see how that's relevant. 319 00:13:20,862 --> 00:13:22,822 - I'm not trying to trick you, Amanda. 320 00:13:22,905 --> 00:13:24,073 You and I both know 321 00:13:24,157 --> 00:13:25,491 that you'll come up with a good answer 322 00:13:25,616 --> 00:13:27,243 for every question that I ask you, 323 00:13:27,285 --> 00:13:30,037 but what you should also know is that all I want out of this 324 00:13:30,121 --> 00:13:32,999 is for you to be honest. 325 00:13:33,082 --> 00:13:37,879 So why don't you like to stay put? 326 00:13:37,920 --> 00:13:39,881 - [claps softly] 327 00:13:39,964 --> 00:13:43,926 I guess it comes from how I grew up. 328 00:13:44,051 --> 00:13:46,971 - Abusive father, addicted sister. 329 00:13:47,054 --> 00:13:49,932 That must be a very unsettling way to grow up. 330 00:13:50,016 --> 00:13:54,020 - Yeah, you're always waiting for the shoe to drop. 331 00:13:54,103 --> 00:13:59,275 And you're always braced for impact. 332 00:13:59,358 --> 00:14:01,277 I got out of there as quick as I could. 333 00:14:01,360 --> 00:14:05,823 - Still, it couldn't have been easy. 334 00:14:05,907 --> 00:14:09,619 Must have felt like you had no control over your life. 335 00:14:09,660 --> 00:14:11,037 Like you were powerless. 336 00:14:14,207 --> 00:14:16,417 - Yeah. 337 00:14:16,542 --> 00:14:20,588 - It's easy to equate movement with survival. 338 00:14:20,713 --> 00:14:22,798 Evolutionarily, it makes sense. 339 00:14:22,840 --> 00:14:24,801 Motion has always meant life. 340 00:14:24,884 --> 00:14:29,514 If you stay still, you get left behind. 341 00:14:29,597 --> 00:14:31,933 - I guess I don't like being still, then. 342 00:14:31,974 --> 00:14:33,142 - [chuckles softly] 343 00:14:33,267 --> 00:14:36,020 Then I'd like to give you a little advice. 344 00:14:36,062 --> 00:14:39,065 After I clear you and you return to the field 345 00:14:39,190 --> 00:14:41,108 and you find the man who did this, 346 00:14:41,234 --> 00:14:46,572 what I would like for you to do is to slow down. 347 00:14:46,656 --> 00:14:49,450 [suspenseful music] 348 00:14:49,575 --> 00:14:54,455 ♪ ♪ 349 00:14:54,539 --> 00:14:56,833 - What else do we know about Diana Vitale? 350 00:14:56,874 --> 00:14:58,709 - Not much--retired last year, 351 00:14:58,835 --> 00:15:00,545 widowed, no kids, no known enemies. 352 00:15:00,670 --> 00:15:02,380 - Aside from the dozens of scumbags 353 00:15:02,505 --> 00:15:04,674 she reported on the court she shared with Carisi. 354 00:15:04,757 --> 00:15:06,175 - And me. 355 00:15:06,217 --> 00:15:07,510 So there's 82 cases where 356 00:15:07,635 --> 00:15:09,804 Vitale, Carisi, and I intersect. 357 00:15:09,929 --> 00:15:11,764 - Okay, any stick out? - I'm narrowing it down, 358 00:15:11,806 --> 00:15:13,975 but I opened it up to ViCAP and I got a hit in Queens. 359 00:15:14,100 --> 00:15:15,393 Julia Pratt, all right? 360 00:15:15,476 --> 00:15:17,520 She, um, she's 20. 361 00:15:17,603 --> 00:15:19,105 Same MO-- the break in and wait. 362 00:15:19,230 --> 00:15:20,398 She was tied up with the black cord 363 00:15:20,439 --> 00:15:22,400 and she was murdered in her apartment building 364 00:15:22,483 --> 00:15:23,943 with a knife two weeks ago. 365 00:15:24,068 --> 00:15:25,444 - Any connection to law enforcement? 366 00:15:25,528 --> 00:15:27,530 - Not in ViCAP, but her sister Rose is in Astoria. 367 00:15:27,655 --> 00:15:28,906 She might be able to tell us more. 368 00:15:28,990 --> 00:15:31,534 - Okay, you two stay on Diana Vitale. 369 00:15:31,659 --> 00:15:34,036 Phones, emails. See what you can dig up. 370 00:15:34,120 --> 00:15:35,288 - Okay. 371 00:15:36,914 --> 00:15:39,041 - How'd it go with Wong? 372 00:15:39,125 --> 00:15:40,543 - Fine. He cleared me. - Yeah, I know. 373 00:15:40,585 --> 00:15:43,379 He, uh--I talked to him. 374 00:15:43,421 --> 00:15:45,339 - You checking up on me? 375 00:15:45,381 --> 00:15:47,091 - Yes, Amanda, I am. 376 00:15:47,175 --> 00:15:50,428 The same way you would do if it were me. 377 00:15:50,511 --> 00:15:52,054 - Captain. 378 00:15:52,180 --> 00:15:54,015 Dispatch called about a white male at an urgent care. 379 00:15:54,140 --> 00:15:56,559 Nurse said it's a gunshot wound, left shoulder. 380 00:15:56,684 --> 00:15:59,103 - Change of plan. Head to the urgent care. 381 00:16:03,483 --> 00:16:08,112 - He came in dodgy, aggressive with my receptionist. 382 00:16:08,196 --> 00:16:09,572 - And what'd he say had happened to him? 383 00:16:09,655 --> 00:16:10,948 - Said he was working construction. 384 00:16:10,990 --> 00:16:12,992 Said someone clipped him with a nail gun, 385 00:16:13,075 --> 00:16:16,162 but I took one look at it and I knew that it was a bullet. 386 00:16:16,287 --> 00:16:17,371 They tried to cut it out themselves. 387 00:16:17,497 --> 00:16:18,831 They tried to clean it. 388 00:16:18,956 --> 00:16:20,791 - Who is they? - He was with a woman. 389 00:16:20,875 --> 00:16:23,419 White, brown hair. She looked strung out. 390 00:16:23,503 --> 00:16:25,046 - Okay. 391 00:16:25,087 --> 00:16:27,298 We are gonna need the footage from those cameras. 392 00:16:27,423 --> 00:16:29,926 - They don't work, but I did see them drive off. 393 00:16:30,051 --> 00:16:32,512 - Blue Honda? - Yeah. 394 00:16:32,595 --> 00:16:34,514 Caught the first few digits of the license plate. 395 00:16:37,642 --> 00:16:41,187 - My sister lit up every room she walked into. 396 00:16:41,229 --> 00:16:43,856 I still can't understand who would wanna hurt her. 397 00:16:43,940 --> 00:16:45,691 - I'm so sorry, Rose. 398 00:16:45,733 --> 00:16:48,736 We just have a few more questions for you, okay? 399 00:16:48,861 --> 00:16:52,532 - So we understand that Julia worked in fashion. 400 00:16:52,657 --> 00:16:54,450 Is that right? 401 00:16:54,534 --> 00:16:56,410 - She went to FIT. 402 00:16:56,452 --> 00:17:00,039 Her internship gave her a job after she graduated. 403 00:17:00,122 --> 00:17:03,334 - Was there ever a time that she explored law enforcement? 404 00:17:03,417 --> 00:17:05,002 - Law enforcement? 405 00:17:05,086 --> 00:17:06,504 No. 406 00:17:06,629 --> 00:17:07,797 Why? 407 00:17:07,839 --> 00:17:09,757 - Because the man who hurt her 408 00:17:09,882 --> 00:17:12,301 uh, may have been targeting the justice system 409 00:17:12,343 --> 00:17:13,511 and we're trying to figure out 410 00:17:13,636 --> 00:17:18,432 if Julia had some other connection to it. 411 00:17:18,516 --> 00:17:20,810 - Our aunt is a judge. 412 00:17:22,395 --> 00:17:25,148 She took us in after our mom walked out, 413 00:17:25,231 --> 00:17:29,068 became our legal guardian, retired to Florida in May. 414 00:17:31,112 --> 00:17:34,490 - Your--your aunt is Judge Anita Wright? 415 00:17:36,659 --> 00:17:38,494 - Diana Vitale, me, and Carisi, 416 00:17:38,536 --> 00:17:40,371 there's 82 overlapping cases, 417 00:17:40,454 --> 00:17:42,415 but only 5 including Judge Anita Wright. 418 00:17:42,540 --> 00:17:43,499 - So it could have been the defendant 419 00:17:43,624 --> 00:17:44,750 in any one of those cases. 420 00:17:44,834 --> 00:17:47,920 - No, no, I know who it is. 421 00:17:48,004 --> 00:17:49,297 Henry Mesner. 422 00:17:49,380 --> 00:17:51,340 We first encountered him in 2013. 423 00:17:51,424 --> 00:17:53,134 He was abusing his little sister, Ruby. 424 00:17:53,217 --> 00:17:57,013 - Yeah, so he was released from juvenile detention in 2021. 425 00:17:57,096 --> 00:17:58,848 He got out, he raped a college student, 426 00:17:58,973 --> 00:18:01,142 and then he murdered his family. 427 00:18:01,225 --> 00:18:02,560 - Yeah, I remember this case. 428 00:18:02,685 --> 00:18:04,937 Rollins saved his sister after he took her hostage. 429 00:18:04,979 --> 00:18:07,273 - And after we arrested Henry, he stabbed Carisi 430 00:18:07,398 --> 00:18:08,858 in a competency hearing. 431 00:18:08,941 --> 00:18:10,359 - This guy's not still just walking around out there? 432 00:18:10,401 --> 00:18:12,028 - No, no, no. He stood trial. 433 00:18:12,069 --> 00:18:14,280 He's 5 years into 60 at Sing Sing. 434 00:18:14,363 --> 00:18:16,449 - But that doesn't mean he's not still pulling the strings. 435 00:18:16,491 --> 00:18:19,494 And to find out how, we need to go talk to him. 436 00:18:19,577 --> 00:18:21,537 [phone buzzes] - Maybe not. 437 00:18:21,621 --> 00:18:23,915 TARU found the blue Honda based on the partial plate. 438 00:18:24,040 --> 00:18:26,292 It belongs to an 18-year-old 439 00:18:26,417 --> 00:18:28,127 with a rap sheet for drug possession. 440 00:18:28,252 --> 00:18:30,213 - We know her? 441 00:18:30,296 --> 00:18:33,257 [tense music] 442 00:18:33,299 --> 00:18:37,303 - That-- - That's Henry's sister. 443 00:18:37,386 --> 00:18:39,222 That's Ruby Mesner. 444 00:18:39,305 --> 00:18:43,309 ♪ ♪ 445 00:18:43,981 --> 00:18:44,982 - Our son moved to California. 446 00:18:45,806 --> 00:18:48,434 That's when we got the idea to foster. 447 00:18:48,895 --> 00:18:52,281 Ruby was placed with us five years ago. 448 00:18:52,691 --> 00:18:54,249 She hardly spoke at first. 449 00:18:54,725 --> 00:18:56,393 - But she had what she needed-- 450 00:18:56,477 --> 00:18:58,437 a bed, food. 451 00:18:58,562 --> 00:19:00,231 - We tried to love her. 452 00:19:00,356 --> 00:19:02,358 We thought she'd be okay for a while, beat the odds. 453 00:19:02,399 --> 00:19:05,319 - And then she started having problems? 454 00:19:05,402 --> 00:19:07,446 - School called every other day. 455 00:19:07,529 --> 00:19:09,698 Grades slipping, running away, 456 00:19:09,782 --> 00:19:11,283 kept finding pills under her mattress. 457 00:19:11,367 --> 00:19:13,077 - We called her social worker, 458 00:19:13,118 --> 00:19:15,996 and they put her into rehab for a month. 459 00:19:16,038 --> 00:19:18,040 But things only got worse. 460 00:19:18,207 --> 00:19:21,835 - Was--was Ruby ever, uh, violent? 461 00:19:21,961 --> 00:19:23,754 - Only with herself. 462 00:19:23,796 --> 00:19:27,675 She cut her arms so deep, it was just awful. 463 00:19:27,841 --> 00:19:31,470 - After Ruby turned 18, got herself arrested for drugs. 464 00:19:31,554 --> 00:19:33,806 That was enough. 465 00:19:33,847 --> 00:19:37,184 I told her she had to leave, and I'm not sorry I did. 466 00:19:37,226 --> 00:19:39,019 It was the right thing. 467 00:19:41,313 --> 00:19:44,191 - Do you have any idea where she might be 468 00:19:44,275 --> 00:19:46,443 or who she might be with? 469 00:19:46,569 --> 00:19:47,736 - My guess is with her boyfriend. 470 00:19:47,820 --> 00:19:49,071 - What's his name? 471 00:19:49,113 --> 00:19:51,407 - Phillip something. We never met him. 472 00:19:51,490 --> 00:19:52,992 - She was with him 473 00:19:53,075 --> 00:19:55,160 when she called begging for money a few weeks ago. 474 00:19:55,244 --> 00:19:56,871 Heard her talking to him. 475 00:19:56,912 --> 00:19:58,289 - The number we have for Ruby traces back to this address, 476 00:19:58,372 --> 00:19:59,707 but it went dead months ago. 477 00:19:59,790 --> 00:20:01,959 - It wasn't her phone she called from. 478 00:20:02,084 --> 00:20:05,838 We still have the number. I--I tried it a few times. 479 00:20:05,880 --> 00:20:09,508 Ruby never picks up. 480 00:20:09,592 --> 00:20:12,136 - TARU is looking into this number that Ruby called from. 481 00:20:12,261 --> 00:20:13,220 Hopefully, it'll tell us something 482 00:20:13,262 --> 00:20:15,139 about whoever this Phillip is. 483 00:20:15,222 --> 00:20:17,308 - It won't tell us about his connection to Henry. 484 00:20:17,474 --> 00:20:19,184 We should be headed to Sing Sing right now. 485 00:20:19,226 --> 00:20:21,103 - Yeah, so Amanda, I haven't made a decision about 486 00:20:21,186 --> 00:20:23,480 whether talking to Henry is the best idea. 487 00:20:23,564 --> 00:20:25,691 - Well, that's all we have. 488 00:20:25,774 --> 00:20:27,818 Uh, besides this phone number. 489 00:20:27,902 --> 00:20:29,528 And we don't know if the killing spree is over yet. 490 00:20:29,612 --> 00:20:31,071 - But we do know Henry. 491 00:20:31,155 --> 00:20:32,656 And we know that he'd love nothing more 492 00:20:32,823 --> 00:20:35,701 than to string us along and play games 493 00:20:35,784 --> 00:20:37,411 whether he knows something or not. 494 00:20:37,453 --> 00:20:40,497 - It's no coincidence that his sister is the getaway driver. 495 00:20:40,664 --> 00:20:42,917 And Henry can play games all he wants, 496 00:20:43,042 --> 00:20:44,376 but if he knows something, 497 00:20:44,501 --> 00:20:46,337 I'll be able to tell just by looking at him. 498 00:20:46,420 --> 00:20:48,714 - I know you would. 499 00:20:48,797 --> 00:20:50,007 But I would too. 500 00:20:53,385 --> 00:20:56,347 And I'll be going to Sing Sing myself. 501 00:21:00,476 --> 00:21:02,353 - Henry hasn't caused any problems. 502 00:21:02,436 --> 00:21:03,938 - Was he close with anyone? 503 00:21:04,104 --> 00:21:06,732 Maybe a guard or an inmate who's been released recently? 504 00:21:06,857 --> 00:21:08,234 - Uh, not that I know of. 505 00:21:08,400 --> 00:21:09,735 Have a seat. 506 00:21:09,818 --> 00:21:11,237 - Thank you. - Yeah. 507 00:21:11,362 --> 00:21:13,405 - And what about his communication with the outside? 508 00:21:13,447 --> 00:21:15,282 - Nothing in his incoming mail to alert our staff. 509 00:21:15,449 --> 00:21:17,409 And nothing outgoing. 510 00:21:17,493 --> 00:21:20,871 - So he hasn't made any calls lately or had any visitors? 511 00:21:20,996 --> 00:21:22,498 - No. 512 00:21:22,581 --> 00:21:25,918 His last visit was a year ago-- his sister, Ruby Mesner. 513 00:21:26,001 --> 00:21:28,671 - Oh, well, you know what they talked about? 514 00:21:28,754 --> 00:21:32,091 No, there's not much in the transcript. 515 00:21:32,174 --> 00:21:34,552 Uh, the guards had to pull her out of the room pretty quick. 516 00:21:34,677 --> 00:21:35,928 - Why is that? 517 00:21:36,011 --> 00:21:37,846 - Because she tried to attack him. 518 00:21:41,600 --> 00:21:44,478 [door buzzer blares] 519 00:21:44,562 --> 00:21:45,896 - [sighs] 520 00:21:53,445 --> 00:21:55,072 Have a seat, Henry. 521 00:21:58,075 --> 00:22:01,412 You look happy to see me. 522 00:22:01,495 --> 00:22:03,956 - It's been a long time since I had any visitors. 523 00:22:04,039 --> 00:22:07,543 - Well, I heard that you've actually adjusted quite well. 524 00:22:07,626 --> 00:22:11,672 No disciplinary measures, no issues with other inmates. 525 00:22:11,839 --> 00:22:14,341 - I'll probably die in here. 526 00:22:14,425 --> 00:22:16,093 Shouldn't I be making the most of it? 527 00:22:16,176 --> 00:22:21,348 - Well, that depends on what that means to you. 528 00:22:21,473 --> 00:22:23,851 - I think it means reform, 529 00:22:23,934 --> 00:22:26,395 rehabilitation, responsibility. 530 00:22:26,562 --> 00:22:27,938 - For what you did to your family. 531 00:22:30,065 --> 00:22:32,526 For what you did to Ruby. 532 00:22:32,651 --> 00:22:36,697 I heard that she actually came to visit you a while back. 533 00:22:36,780 --> 00:22:41,869 And, uh, things got a little, little dicey? 534 00:22:41,952 --> 00:22:45,456 - I don't think you came here about my sister. 535 00:22:45,581 --> 00:22:47,291 I think you're here about something else. 536 00:22:51,545 --> 00:22:54,256 - Why do you think I'm here? 537 00:22:54,298 --> 00:22:56,675 - [chuckles softly] Gotta say, 538 00:22:56,717 --> 00:22:59,053 I'm surprised that you're the one coming to see me. 539 00:22:59,094 --> 00:23:01,513 - Were you expecting someone else? 540 00:23:01,639 --> 00:23:04,058 - Always had a soft spot for Detective Rollins. 541 00:23:04,099 --> 00:23:05,643 - Yeah, I remember that. 542 00:23:05,809 --> 00:23:08,854 Well, she's actually a sergeant now. 543 00:23:08,896 --> 00:23:10,564 - Good for her. 544 00:23:10,606 --> 00:23:12,191 And I heard she's married. 545 00:23:12,233 --> 00:23:13,108 To what's-his-name? 546 00:23:13,192 --> 00:23:16,820 Ah, Lawyer Carisi. 547 00:23:16,904 --> 00:23:18,072 Tell them both I said hello. 548 00:23:18,155 --> 00:23:21,116 - I will. 549 00:23:21,158 --> 00:23:23,869 After I tell them that I was right. 550 00:23:23,911 --> 00:23:25,037 - Right about what? 551 00:23:25,079 --> 00:23:27,456 [tense music] 552 00:23:27,540 --> 00:23:29,667 - That talking to you was a waste of time. 553 00:23:29,833 --> 00:23:34,838 ♪ ♪ 554 00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:36,340 - Maybe I'm just talking to the wrong person. 555 00:23:36,382 --> 00:23:37,716 You know, if Sergeant Rollins was here-- 556 00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:39,885 - I'm not here to negotiate, Henry. 557 00:23:39,969 --> 00:23:42,805 - Well, then I guess we're both walking away empty-handed. 558 00:23:42,972 --> 00:23:44,181 - You wanna know what I think? 559 00:23:45,849 --> 00:23:49,186 I think you got nothing to say. 560 00:23:53,357 --> 00:23:55,150 Goodbye, Henry. 561 00:23:55,192 --> 00:24:02,199 ♪ ♪ 562 00:24:03,993 --> 00:24:05,828 - Hey, was just in the neighborhood. 563 00:24:05,911 --> 00:24:08,747 I had to, um-- had to pick up some stuff. 564 00:24:08,789 --> 00:24:10,040 - Yeah? - Uh-huh. 565 00:24:10,124 --> 00:24:11,458 - What stuff? 566 00:24:11,542 --> 00:24:12,626 - [scoffs] All right. Sue me. 567 00:24:12,668 --> 00:24:13,961 Look, I'm just checking in on you. 568 00:24:14,044 --> 00:24:15,546 - Uh-huh. 569 00:24:15,588 --> 00:24:17,298 - Listen, this, uh, this Henry Mesner thing. 570 00:24:17,381 --> 00:24:18,924 - Yeah. Benson thinks he's bluffing. 571 00:24:19,049 --> 00:24:20,301 She won't let me go in. 572 00:24:20,384 --> 00:24:21,844 - Yeah, well, maybe she's got a point. 573 00:24:21,886 --> 00:24:23,095 Look, at best, he's full of it. 574 00:24:23,262 --> 00:24:25,723 At worst, he's--he's not. He could be dangerous. 575 00:24:25,806 --> 00:24:28,100 - Are you saying that as the ADA or as my husband? 576 00:24:28,183 --> 00:24:29,226 - I'm saying it as both. 577 00:24:29,351 --> 00:24:31,103 - Okay, I appreciate it, but right now, 578 00:24:31,145 --> 00:24:33,022 me going in to talk to Henry might be the only way 579 00:24:33,105 --> 00:24:34,064 we catch the guy that did this to us. 580 00:24:34,148 --> 00:24:35,608 [phone buzzes] 581 00:24:35,649 --> 00:24:37,234 - What is it? 582 00:24:37,318 --> 00:24:39,570 - TARU traced the number that Ruby missed her call from. 583 00:24:39,612 --> 00:24:42,656 A Phillip Wingate. We've got an address. 584 00:24:42,740 --> 00:24:44,783 - NYPD! 585 00:24:44,909 --> 00:24:46,702 - Go, go, go, go! 586 00:24:46,785 --> 00:24:49,121 - Phillip Wingate, NYPD! We have a warrant! 587 00:24:49,163 --> 00:24:51,624 [tense music] 588 00:24:51,665 --> 00:24:52,666 - Pushing up! 589 00:24:52,833 --> 00:24:54,335 [officers shouting] 590 00:24:54,418 --> 00:25:01,425 ♪ ♪ 591 00:25:03,010 --> 00:25:04,720 - Clear. - Clear! 592 00:25:31,372 --> 00:25:32,665 [floorboard creaks] 593 00:25:32,748 --> 00:25:34,083 - Hey. 594 00:25:36,669 --> 00:25:37,711 - These are the names of the victims. 595 00:25:37,795 --> 00:25:39,630 - Yeah. 596 00:25:39,713 --> 00:25:42,508 Public court records on Henry's cases, news articles about him. 597 00:25:42,633 --> 00:25:43,717 - Got movement upstairs. 598 00:25:43,801 --> 00:25:46,136 Bedroom door. Ready to breach. 599 00:25:53,185 --> 00:25:54,728 - NYPD, coming in. 600 00:25:54,812 --> 00:26:01,860 ♪ ♪ 601 00:26:01,902 --> 00:26:03,904 Okay. Okay. 602 00:26:08,450 --> 00:26:09,994 Ruby? 603 00:26:14,399 --> 00:26:15,775 Ruby, where is Phillip? 604 00:26:15,833 --> 00:26:22,798 ♪ ♪ 605 00:26:31,957 --> 00:26:34,618 - Phillip Wingate, 28, parents are deceased 606 00:26:34,643 --> 00:26:36,571 and he's lived with his grandmother since he was three. 607 00:26:36,611 --> 00:26:37,821 - Spotty employment records. 608 00:26:37,846 --> 00:26:39,973 He was fired from his last job six months ago 609 00:26:40,023 --> 00:26:41,358 right around the time his grandma died 610 00:26:41,383 --> 00:26:42,550 and left him the townhouse. 611 00:26:42,575 --> 00:26:43,875 - No criminal record. 612 00:26:43,900 --> 00:26:46,571 - Only juvenile, which is why his DNA wasn't in the system. 613 00:26:46,835 --> 00:26:49,213 When Phillip was 12, he abused a younger cousin. 614 00:26:49,299 --> 00:26:52,469 - Guy had a thing for hunting squirrels in Central Park. 615 00:26:52,774 --> 00:26:54,317 - Checks all the boxes. 616 00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:56,194 - So what did we learn from these journals? 617 00:26:56,236 --> 00:26:58,696 - Yeah, guy is very prolific. 618 00:26:58,822 --> 00:27:02,075 He writes his victims' names over and over and over again 619 00:27:02,158 --> 00:27:04,786 with what seems like either poetry or gibberish. 620 00:27:04,869 --> 00:27:06,037 - And a lot of writing about Henry. 621 00:27:06,162 --> 00:27:07,622 I mean, he's obviously obsessed. 622 00:27:07,705 --> 00:27:09,707 - But it doesn't explain how they met 623 00:27:09,791 --> 00:27:11,251 or whether Henry put Phillip up to this. 624 00:27:11,376 --> 00:27:12,669 - And nothing that indicates 625 00:27:12,752 --> 00:27:14,712 where he is now or where he's headed next. 626 00:27:14,796 --> 00:27:15,922 - There's over a dozen of these things 627 00:27:16,047 --> 00:27:17,048 we're still sorting through. 628 00:27:17,090 --> 00:27:19,717 - I say we just ask her. 629 00:27:34,107 --> 00:27:35,525 - I know you. 630 00:27:35,650 --> 00:27:37,569 - Yeah, you do. 631 00:27:37,694 --> 00:27:39,154 We helped you out a long time ago, 632 00:27:39,195 --> 00:27:40,738 and we might be able to help you out now 633 00:27:40,864 --> 00:27:42,740 if you're willing to talk to us. 634 00:27:42,866 --> 00:27:43,700 - I don't know where Phillip is. 635 00:27:43,825 --> 00:27:45,702 - Yeah, but you do know 636 00:27:45,785 --> 00:27:49,080 how this whole thing started, don't you, Ruby? 637 00:27:49,122 --> 00:27:51,624 We spoke with your foster parents. 638 00:27:51,749 --> 00:27:53,668 - They don't care about me. 639 00:27:53,751 --> 00:27:56,671 - I think they tried to. 640 00:27:56,796 --> 00:27:59,924 But look, after everything that you've gone through, 641 00:28:00,008 --> 00:28:01,634 I certainly understand how it feels, 642 00:28:01,718 --> 00:28:06,014 like nobody cares, but that's not true. 643 00:28:06,097 --> 00:28:09,684 We care. And we'd like to help you. 644 00:28:09,726 --> 00:28:11,770 But we need for you to be honest with us 645 00:28:11,853 --> 00:28:13,062 for us to do that. 646 00:28:13,104 --> 00:28:16,107 Can you do that? 647 00:28:16,191 --> 00:28:19,861 So why don't you tell us about Phillip? 648 00:28:19,986 --> 00:28:21,988 How did you two meet? 649 00:28:22,030 --> 00:28:26,326 - He found me a few months ago. 650 00:28:26,367 --> 00:28:28,077 He said he wanted to take care of me. 651 00:28:28,203 --> 00:28:29,412 - Mm-hmm. 652 00:28:29,496 --> 00:28:32,123 - At first, it was fine. 653 00:28:32,207 --> 00:28:35,627 He didn't really want anything from me. 654 00:28:35,752 --> 00:28:37,212 Until he started asking questions. 655 00:28:37,337 --> 00:28:39,422 - About Henry? 656 00:28:39,464 --> 00:28:41,257 - [softly] Yeah. 657 00:28:41,382 --> 00:28:44,260 What he was like. 658 00:28:44,344 --> 00:28:45,970 How much I remember from when he'd hurt me. 659 00:28:46,095 --> 00:28:48,223 - Does Phillip know Henry? 660 00:28:48,348 --> 00:28:49,933 - No. 661 00:28:50,058 --> 00:28:51,267 No, no. 662 00:28:51,351 --> 00:28:53,770 He--he said he heard about him on a podcast 663 00:28:53,853 --> 00:28:56,064 or the news or something. [sniffles] 664 00:28:56,189 --> 00:28:57,816 - Ruby, why is Phillip doing this? 665 00:28:57,899 --> 00:28:59,109 - I don't know. 666 00:28:59,234 --> 00:29:01,402 He would just-- 667 00:29:01,528 --> 00:29:03,279 he would say things I didn't know what they meant. 668 00:29:03,363 --> 00:29:05,657 - Well, what-- what kind of things? 669 00:29:05,740 --> 00:29:07,033 - He was like-- 670 00:29:07,158 --> 00:29:09,536 he was like, in service of Henry. 671 00:29:09,619 --> 00:29:13,248 I don't--he was like, wanted to be close to him. 672 00:29:13,331 --> 00:29:16,084 - So that's--that's why he sought you out, huh? 673 00:29:18,503 --> 00:29:21,923 - Once he did, I couldn't escape. 674 00:29:22,048 --> 00:29:24,968 - So you just... 675 00:29:25,009 --> 00:29:26,136 went along with it? 676 00:29:26,261 --> 00:29:29,597 [tense music] 677 00:29:29,639 --> 00:29:32,559 You waited while he murdered those people, 678 00:29:32,684 --> 00:29:34,519 and you drove the getaway car? 679 00:29:34,602 --> 00:29:36,396 - Phillip was gonna kill me. What was I supposed to do? 680 00:29:36,438 --> 00:29:38,606 - I don't know, go to the cops? 681 00:29:38,731 --> 00:29:39,816 Call us? 682 00:29:39,941 --> 00:29:42,068 Get out of there? 683 00:29:42,110 --> 00:29:45,697 And instead, you helped him kill those people 684 00:29:45,780 --> 00:29:47,407 and come after me and my family. 685 00:29:47,449 --> 00:29:48,825 - No, he just told me to drive. 686 00:29:48,950 --> 00:29:50,243 I didn't--I didn't know what he was doing-- 687 00:29:50,368 --> 00:29:51,953 - Yeah, you don't know a whole lot, do you, Ruby? 688 00:29:52,036 --> 00:29:53,496 Like--like where Phillip is. You don't know that? 689 00:29:53,580 --> 00:29:54,622 - Sergeant. - I was afraid! 690 00:29:54,706 --> 00:29:57,125 - Oh, I don't believe you, Ruby. 691 00:29:57,250 --> 00:29:58,585 I don't. 692 00:29:58,710 --> 00:29:59,961 I think you're protecting Phillip and your brother. 693 00:30:00,044 --> 00:30:01,921 - Okay, Sergeant, that's enough-- 694 00:30:02,046 --> 00:30:03,339 - You know what? I saved your life. 695 00:30:03,381 --> 00:30:04,924 - I wish you didn't! 696 00:30:05,008 --> 00:30:06,176 - So do I! 697 00:30:06,301 --> 00:30:08,636 - Hey. We're done here. 698 00:30:08,761 --> 00:30:10,013 Rollins, now. 699 00:30:10,138 --> 00:30:15,894 ♪ ♪ 700 00:30:16,019 --> 00:30:17,103 Are you kidding me? 701 00:30:17,187 --> 00:30:18,313 - Yeah? - What was that? 702 00:30:18,438 --> 00:30:19,689 You need to cool down. 703 00:30:19,731 --> 00:30:21,065 - Cool down? 704 00:30:21,107 --> 00:30:22,233 - We need her to talk! 705 00:30:22,358 --> 00:30:23,943 - Yes, and in her current state, 706 00:30:24,068 --> 00:30:25,653 I'm not sure that she can tell us-- 707 00:30:25,737 --> 00:30:28,072 - Who cares about her current state? 708 00:30:28,156 --> 00:30:30,825 There's a murderer out there, Liv, and she's involved! 709 00:30:30,909 --> 00:30:32,994 - I care about her current state, and so should you. 710 00:30:33,077 --> 00:30:34,746 After everything that that girl has been through? 711 00:30:34,788 --> 00:30:36,247 Are you kidding me? - She helped Phillip. 712 00:30:36,372 --> 00:30:37,665 And now we don't know whether Henry's-- 713 00:30:37,749 --> 00:30:39,334 Henry's behind him. 714 00:30:39,417 --> 00:30:42,337 - Henry is playing us, and she just about confirmed that. 715 00:30:42,462 --> 00:30:44,088 All that guy wants is your attention. 716 00:30:44,130 --> 00:30:45,965 - Yeah, well, he has it. 717 00:30:46,049 --> 00:30:47,509 You know, and I could use that if you'd let me go talk to him. 718 00:30:47,634 --> 00:30:48,802 - Because I'm trying to protect you. 719 00:30:48,843 --> 00:30:51,054 - I don't need your protection. 720 00:30:51,179 --> 00:30:52,972 I need you to trust me. 721 00:30:53,056 --> 00:30:54,307 - Okay, that's not what this is about. 722 00:30:54,432 --> 00:30:55,892 - Then why did you take me out of the room? 723 00:30:55,975 --> 00:30:58,228 - Because you're not yourself. 724 00:30:58,353 --> 00:31:02,315 That girl needs our help, not an interrogation. 725 00:31:02,398 --> 00:31:04,734 She's a victim of both Henry and Phillip. 726 00:31:04,818 --> 00:31:06,194 And quite frankly, so are you. 727 00:31:06,319 --> 00:31:08,696 - Oh, my God. You never turn it off. 728 00:31:08,780 --> 00:31:10,323 - What does that mean? 729 00:31:10,406 --> 00:31:12,450 - It means not everyone deserves your empathy, Olivia. 730 00:31:12,534 --> 00:31:19,541 ♪ ♪ 731 00:31:20,500 --> 00:31:23,336 [groans] 732 00:31:23,419 --> 00:31:26,589 - I can't have you on this case anymore, Amanda. 733 00:31:26,631 --> 00:31:27,674 You're off. 734 00:31:57,996 --> 00:31:59,122 - Hello, Amanda. 735 00:31:59,247 --> 00:32:03,251 ♪ ♪ 736 00:32:06,182 --> 00:32:07,472 - I had a feeling you'd come. 737 00:32:07,508 --> 00:32:09,885 - You asked for me, didn't you? 738 00:32:10,361 --> 00:32:12,655 - Do you remember the last thing you said to me? 739 00:32:12,739 --> 00:32:14,032 - I'm surprised if you do, 740 00:32:14,157 --> 00:32:16,242 considering how drugged up you were. 741 00:32:16,326 --> 00:32:18,828 - If you ever go after anyone in my family again, 742 00:32:18,953 --> 00:32:20,955 it'll be your last day on Earth? 743 00:32:21,122 --> 00:32:23,124 Is that why you came? 744 00:32:23,208 --> 00:32:25,043 - To kill you? - No. 745 00:32:25,168 --> 00:32:28,922 - You can't do that until you know it was me or not. 746 00:32:28,963 --> 00:32:31,716 - I know who it is. 747 00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:34,052 Why I'm here is to see if you do. 748 00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:42,310 - You want to know if I recognize them? 749 00:32:42,435 --> 00:32:43,645 - No, I know you do. 750 00:32:43,728 --> 00:32:44,896 These are all people that helped put you away. 751 00:32:45,021 --> 00:32:46,773 And the person who's going after them, Henry, 752 00:32:46,856 --> 00:32:49,526 I gotta tell you, they're pretty good at it. 753 00:32:51,027 --> 00:32:54,989 But this person is smart, organized, 754 00:32:55,031 --> 00:32:57,409 like they're on a mission. 755 00:33:04,833 --> 00:33:07,335 It's your sister, Henry. It's Ruby. 756 00:33:07,419 --> 00:33:10,922 [tense music] 757 00:33:11,005 --> 00:33:13,675 - Ruby didn't do any of this. She's not capable. 758 00:33:13,717 --> 00:33:14,801 - Are you sure about that? 759 00:33:14,843 --> 00:33:16,678 - Are you dumb? 760 00:33:16,845 --> 00:33:17,887 She's weak, pathetic. 761 00:33:18,054 --> 00:33:19,889 She's a victim, always will be. 762 00:33:19,973 --> 00:33:21,683 - Okay, thank you. 763 00:33:21,850 --> 00:33:25,895 - W--what I meant to say was 764 00:33:25,937 --> 00:33:28,398 she couldn't have done it by herself. 765 00:33:32,819 --> 00:33:34,863 She couldn't have known how to hold the knife 766 00:33:35,029 --> 00:33:39,367 or what it would feel like when you push it into someone. 767 00:33:39,492 --> 00:33:43,747 The soft belly, the bony throat. 768 00:33:43,913 --> 00:33:47,667 It's a very specific skill set. 769 00:33:47,709 --> 00:33:51,588 - And who do we think helped her navigate all that? 770 00:33:51,671 --> 00:33:54,466 Who had that-- that right set of skills? 771 00:33:54,507 --> 00:33:55,717 - I did. 772 00:33:57,844 --> 00:34:00,430 It wasn't very hard. 773 00:34:00,472 --> 00:34:03,808 Guards are easy, let me use their phones. 774 00:34:03,933 --> 00:34:05,435 I had a plan. 775 00:34:05,477 --> 00:34:07,437 I just needed someone to help me carry it out. 776 00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:09,981 You know, Ruby works best being directed. 777 00:34:10,023 --> 00:34:12,901 - No, Henry, I think she did this alone. 778 00:34:12,984 --> 00:34:15,028 I think she broke into these people's houses 779 00:34:15,195 --> 00:34:16,362 and she stabbed them to death all by herself. 780 00:34:16,488 --> 00:34:18,281 - She couldn't have done anything without me. 781 00:34:18,323 --> 00:34:19,491 - Oh, so you're the mastermind? 782 00:34:19,574 --> 00:34:21,493 - Yes, I am. 783 00:34:21,659 --> 00:34:27,582 ♪ ♪ 784 00:34:27,665 --> 00:34:28,833 - No, you're not. 785 00:34:31,795 --> 00:34:34,798 But you are pathetic. 786 00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:40,929 And you got one thing right. 787 00:34:40,970 --> 00:34:42,972 Ruby didn't kill these people. 788 00:34:43,014 --> 00:34:44,265 A man named Phillip Wingate did. 789 00:34:44,391 --> 00:34:45,683 He's the mastermind, 790 00:34:45,725 --> 00:34:50,522 and you are a cautionary tale at best. 791 00:34:51,856 --> 00:34:54,609 You're nothing. 792 00:34:54,651 --> 00:34:56,277 And now we both know it. 793 00:34:56,361 --> 00:35:03,702 ♪ ♪ 794 00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:06,579 - If I tell you what I know, will you come back to see me? 795 00:35:06,705 --> 00:35:08,540 - It's too late, Henry. 796 00:35:08,581 --> 00:35:10,375 Goodbye. 797 00:35:10,500 --> 00:35:11,751 - I know him. 798 00:35:11,835 --> 00:35:14,421 I know of him, technically, 799 00:35:14,546 --> 00:35:16,589 and I can tell you about it if you promise. 800 00:35:16,631 --> 00:35:19,300 And I mean really promise to come back and see me 801 00:35:19,467 --> 00:35:21,469 every now and again. 802 00:35:24,639 --> 00:35:29,477 - Yeah, if what you tell me is actually helpful, 803 00:35:29,644 --> 00:35:33,189 I'll come visit you. 804 00:35:33,231 --> 00:35:34,816 - I get a bunch of fan letters. 805 00:35:34,858 --> 00:35:37,318 Never read them, but... 806 00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:42,490 I know a ton of them came from someone who signed them as PW. 807 00:35:42,574 --> 00:35:49,581 ♪ ♪ 808 00:35:53,585 --> 00:35:57,255 - Judge's niece, court reporter. 809 00:35:57,297 --> 00:36:00,759 Next I say hello to the childhood doctor. 810 00:36:00,925 --> 00:36:07,932 ♪ ♪ 811 00:36:08,099 --> 00:36:10,393 Liv, Phillip is going after the doctor 812 00:36:10,435 --> 00:36:12,187 that Henry saw when he was a kid. 813 00:36:12,353 --> 00:36:15,440 He's going after Wong. 814 00:36:15,523 --> 00:36:18,443 [sirens wailing] 815 00:36:23,740 --> 00:36:25,825 - Oh, he's already here. 816 00:36:25,867 --> 00:36:27,660 Okay, go, now. 817 00:36:27,702 --> 00:36:30,622 [officers shouting] 818 00:36:33,708 --> 00:36:36,461 - NYPD! - Go, go, go, go! 819 00:36:36,544 --> 00:36:38,922 - Clear! - Move in. 820 00:36:39,005 --> 00:36:42,008 - Wong, are you all right? 821 00:36:42,133 --> 00:36:44,219 - Mm. Mm. - You sure? 822 00:36:44,260 --> 00:36:45,720 - [gasps] - Where'd he go? 823 00:36:45,845 --> 00:36:48,390 - Uh, he--he heard the sirens and he went out the back. 824 00:36:48,473 --> 00:36:50,225 - Okay. Get an EMT in here now! 825 00:36:50,308 --> 00:36:52,102 - All right, all units, suspect is on foot. 826 00:36:52,143 --> 00:36:54,646 Back exit. I repeat, back exit. 827 00:36:56,481 --> 00:36:57,649 [tires screech] 828 00:37:02,070 --> 00:37:03,154 - Stop right there! 829 00:37:03,321 --> 00:37:10,161 ♪ ♪ 830 00:37:13,873 --> 00:37:16,292 - [panting] 831 00:37:22,966 --> 00:37:24,884 - Hey! 832 00:37:25,502 --> 00:37:27,262 No getaway driver, huh? 833 00:37:27,643 --> 00:37:28,680 - 'Cause you took her from me. 834 00:37:28,847 --> 00:37:29,931 - She was never yours to begin with. 835 00:37:30,268 --> 00:37:31,558 Drop the knife. 836 00:37:31,599 --> 00:37:33,059 You're under arrest. 837 00:37:33,101 --> 00:37:35,770 - But I already got what I wanted, Sergeant Rollins. 838 00:37:35,937 --> 00:37:38,356 For Henry to see me. 839 00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:40,275 - I saw Henry. 840 00:37:40,358 --> 00:37:43,862 He didn't even know who you were until we told him. 841 00:37:46,030 --> 00:37:48,366 Those letters? He never read 'em. 842 00:37:48,533 --> 00:37:55,457 ♪ ♪ 843 00:37:56,624 --> 00:37:57,584 Don't do it! 844 00:37:57,751 --> 00:37:59,502 [gunshots] 845 00:38:02,047 --> 00:38:03,548 - Cover! - Shots fired! 846 00:38:03,631 --> 00:38:06,468 [indistinct police chatter] 847 00:38:11,765 --> 00:38:16,936 - He can't hurt anyone anymore, including you. 848 00:38:16,978 --> 00:38:18,688 - What happens now? 849 00:38:18,772 --> 00:38:19,939 - Given the circumstances, 850 00:38:20,023 --> 00:38:21,649 the DA's willing to make you a deal. 851 00:38:21,691 --> 00:38:22,692 Conspiracy in the third. 852 00:38:22,817 --> 00:38:24,194 You'll do five years' probation. 853 00:38:24,277 --> 00:38:26,071 The first year will be inpatient rehab. 854 00:38:26,154 --> 00:38:27,947 - But that deal only stands 855 00:38:27,989 --> 00:38:31,701 if you're willing to agree to do something for us. 856 00:38:31,785 --> 00:38:34,954 The next time you're in... 857 00:38:34,996 --> 00:38:37,415 a bad situation, 858 00:38:37,499 --> 00:38:39,626 you call me. 859 00:38:39,709 --> 00:38:40,752 - Why? 860 00:38:42,504 --> 00:38:44,422 - Because I know what it's like to feel stuck, Ruby. 861 00:38:44,464 --> 00:38:47,759 I know what it's like to feel powerless. 862 00:38:47,884 --> 00:38:52,222 And the next time you feel that way, 863 00:38:52,263 --> 00:38:55,433 I wanna be there to help you with that. 864 00:39:00,522 --> 00:39:03,441 [indistinct chatter] 865 00:39:11,950 --> 00:39:13,702 - She's the one who helps her. It's amazing. 866 00:39:13,743 --> 00:39:14,786 - Hey, sorry to interrupt. 867 00:39:14,869 --> 00:39:15,870 I was just-- 868 00:39:18,415 --> 00:39:20,166 Nosy, just nosy. 869 00:39:20,208 --> 00:39:21,668 How are you, Doctor? 870 00:39:21,835 --> 00:39:23,420 - All right. 871 00:39:23,545 --> 00:39:25,880 Recommitting to retirement. 872 00:39:26,005 --> 00:39:27,924 - Yeah. - How about you? 873 00:39:28,007 --> 00:39:30,552 - You know, just, uh, getting back to normal. 874 00:39:33,638 --> 00:39:36,599 - Well, I'm grateful for your insubordination, 875 00:39:36,766 --> 00:39:39,894 if that helps to break the ice. 876 00:39:43,064 --> 00:39:44,357 - Does not. 877 00:39:44,441 --> 00:39:46,067 - Hey. 878 00:39:46,192 --> 00:39:48,027 Thank you. - Of course. 879 00:39:48,194 --> 00:39:49,028 - Talk soon? 880 00:39:49,154 --> 00:39:50,488 - Yep, talk soon. 881 00:39:50,613 --> 00:39:52,741 Amanda, be well. 882 00:39:52,824 --> 00:39:54,075 - Thanks. 883 00:39:57,662 --> 00:39:59,330 Liv, I just wanna say-- 884 00:39:59,497 --> 00:40:02,250 - Don't--don't apologize if you don't mean it. 885 00:40:03,668 --> 00:40:06,838 - I'm-- 886 00:40:06,963 --> 00:40:10,759 I'm sorry I lost some of your trust. 887 00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:13,678 [soft dramatic music] 888 00:40:13,845 --> 00:40:18,516 - Look, I understand why you did what you did. 889 00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:22,312 The same way you understand 890 00:40:22,353 --> 00:40:25,190 that you will never do it again. 891 00:40:27,233 --> 00:40:28,401 - All right. 892 00:40:28,485 --> 00:40:31,446 Deal. 893 00:40:31,488 --> 00:40:33,239 And hopefully, that's the last time 894 00:40:33,364 --> 00:40:36,368 we'll ever have to think about Henry Mesner again. 895 00:40:39,871 --> 00:40:42,791 [sinister music] 896 00:40:42,874 --> 00:40:44,751 ♪ ♪ 897 00:40:44,876 --> 00:40:47,712 [footsteps approaching] 898 00:40:47,879 --> 00:40:54,803 ♪ ♪ 899 00:41:05,313 --> 00:41:08,149 [dramatic music] 900 00:41:08,233 --> 00:41:15,240 ♪ ♪ 901 00:41:35,343 --> 00:41:38,346 [wolf howls]