1 00:00:04,680 --> 00:00:09,780 (Transcrito por TurboScribe.ai. Atualize para Ilimitado para remover esta mensagem.) There's nothing pure, there's nothing more spiritual to me than children. 2 00:00:13,500 --> 00:00:15,620 I think it's the most golden thing we have. 3 00:00:19,490 --> 00:00:23,390 I can be myself and jump into their magical world. 4 00:00:39,020 --> 00:00:45,740 If you told me right now that you could never see another child, I would kill myself. 5 00:00:48,340 --> 00:00:50,400 And I swear to you, I would do it. 6 00:00:51,620 --> 00:00:54,040 Because I have nothing else to live for. 7 00:00:57,970 --> 00:01:02,590 See the way I feel about Gavin? I multiply that millions of times over. 8 00:01:03,870 --> 00:01:06,710 And that's why I know this magic of love is so important. 9 00:01:07,590 --> 00:01:09,150 He is such a beautiful child. 10 00:01:10,270 --> 00:01:12,010 I told him, I said, you look just like an angel. 11 00:01:14,430 --> 00:01:17,210 Michael said, Gavin, when you get out of the hospital, 12 00:01:17,630 --> 00:01:21,410 you come to Neverland Ranch and I will heal you. 13 00:01:22,410 --> 00:01:26,390 And then the Martin Bashir documentary caused a worldwide commotion. 14 00:01:27,130 --> 00:01:31,350 And then he finally said, okay, if you love me, you sleep on the bed. 15 00:01:31,830 --> 00:01:35,970 I was like, oh man. And so I finally slept on the bed. 16 00:01:36,510 --> 00:01:40,890 You gotta give the devil his due. Martin Bashir did an incredible job. 17 00:01:42,190 --> 00:01:45,270 Did that lead to the trial? You bet. 18 00:01:56,450 --> 00:01:59,790 People just can't stop talking about the interview with Michael Jackson, 19 00:02:00,030 --> 00:02:02,990 a British documentary which aired in the U.S. last night. 20 00:02:03,790 --> 00:02:06,050 The man is 44 years old. 21 00:02:06,230 --> 00:02:09,789 What in the hell is he doing sleeping in the bed with kids who are not his, 22 00:02:10,190 --> 00:02:10,930 who are not related? 23 00:02:11,490 --> 00:02:13,910 The Martin Bashir documentary drops. 24 00:02:14,850 --> 00:02:18,510 And it's like the pedophile heard around the world. 25 00:02:18,510 --> 00:02:22,790 For Michael Jackson, this was a nuclear bomb. 26 00:02:23,610 --> 00:02:24,770 Why can't you share your bed? 27 00:02:26,050 --> 00:02:29,090 The most loving thing to do is to share your bed with someone. 28 00:02:30,470 --> 00:02:32,090 You know? You really think that? Yeah. 29 00:02:32,650 --> 00:02:34,770 The media painted Michael to be a child molester. 30 00:02:35,170 --> 00:02:38,640 And they replayed that Bashir clip probably one billion times. 31 00:02:39,550 --> 00:02:42,590 Why are you holding the hand of a 13-year-old kid? 32 00:02:42,850 --> 00:02:46,510 You know that if it were any of us and we were engaging in that kind of behavior, 33 00:02:46,510 --> 00:02:48,010 the cops would be all over us. 34 00:02:48,130 --> 00:02:49,790 You would be cringing. 35 00:02:49,990 --> 00:02:52,670 You would be cringing if your client got on national TV 36 00:02:52,670 --> 00:02:56,330 and said words to the effect that he'd hosted sleepover parties for small boys. 37 00:02:56,970 --> 00:03:01,330 The media certainly felt that Michael was fair game to go after anything and everything. 38 00:03:01,610 --> 00:03:02,430 He hated it. 39 00:03:03,910 --> 00:03:06,170 The press, they wait with knives. 40 00:03:07,510 --> 00:03:08,890 Because I was the pioneer. 41 00:03:09,950 --> 00:03:11,470 And that's why they start the story. 42 00:03:11,990 --> 00:03:13,430 He's weird. He's gay. 43 00:03:14,190 --> 00:03:15,970 Anything to turn people against me. 44 00:03:16,510 --> 00:03:17,570 They tried their hardest. 45 00:03:18,890 --> 00:03:19,890 It's a frenzy. 46 00:03:20,390 --> 00:03:23,010 My phone doesn't stop ringing with press people. 47 00:03:23,230 --> 00:03:26,130 They want to talk. You know, everybody wants to get a story going. 48 00:03:26,850 --> 00:03:29,390 I even get a phone call from a tabloid 49 00:03:29,390 --> 00:03:32,150 offering an incredible amount of money just to talk dirt. 50 00:03:32,510 --> 00:03:33,630 It's a PR meltdown. 51 00:03:35,110 --> 00:03:38,470 There is tremendous pressure to get it all under control. 52 00:03:44,670 --> 00:03:46,690 Michael, great entertainer. 53 00:03:47,010 --> 00:03:48,010 Big celebrity status. 54 00:03:50,870 --> 00:03:52,610 But he has a habit of tripping. 55 00:03:54,110 --> 00:03:59,030 So when this Beshear interview was released in the United States, 56 00:03:59,350 --> 00:04:00,950 I get a call from my friend Frank, 57 00:04:01,370 --> 00:04:03,150 who's Michael Jackson's PR manager. 58 00:04:03,770 --> 00:04:05,790 He's like, come out to L.A. 59 00:04:06,810 --> 00:04:08,070 and come out and work on this. 60 00:04:08,070 --> 00:04:10,750 This damage control which is occurring right now. 61 00:04:14,050 --> 00:04:16,089 Frank was very close to Michael. 62 00:04:16,510 --> 00:04:20,290 I asked him, you know, before I leave and I take this job, 63 00:04:20,790 --> 00:04:22,250 has Michael ever harmed a child? 64 00:04:22,830 --> 00:04:24,190 And he says, Vin, you know me. 65 00:04:24,890 --> 00:04:26,990 I am the closest person to him. 66 00:04:27,730 --> 00:04:29,770 And he said, never would happen. 67 00:04:30,750 --> 00:04:34,390 So I trusted Frank and I made a decision to take the job. 68 00:04:38,260 --> 00:04:41,140 The best thing that we could do to defend Michael Jackson 69 00:04:41,140 --> 00:04:43,960 was to film our own documentary 70 00:04:43,960 --> 00:04:48,280 to get a really good rebuttal to who Michael was 71 00:04:48,280 --> 00:04:49,480 and that he's a good person. 72 00:04:49,740 --> 00:04:54,480 Michael Jackson take two is going to air on Fox February 20th. 73 00:04:54,500 --> 00:04:56,960 So then what do you think about Michael's version of this show 74 00:04:56,960 --> 00:04:57,720 that's going to come out? 75 00:04:58,020 --> 00:05:00,220 Positive spin. I mean, it'll help him. 76 00:05:00,300 --> 00:05:03,020 It'll help him, but he said what he said. 77 00:05:03,540 --> 00:05:05,280 For about a week to a week and a half, 78 00:05:05,280 --> 00:05:08,000 I was trying to line up all the press around the documentary. 79 00:05:08,920 --> 00:05:12,120 The participation of the boy in the documentary, 80 00:05:12,760 --> 00:05:16,800 Gavin DeViso, is a key element in how it's all going to work. 81 00:05:18,260 --> 00:05:21,000 So the idea is we're going to capture an interview 82 00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:23,760 with the Arvizo family to show that there hadn't been 83 00:05:24,140 --> 00:05:28,600 improper contact or conduct between Michael Jackson and Gavin. 84 00:05:29,180 --> 00:05:31,500 It was essentially to get this interview done 85 00:05:32,680 --> 00:05:35,140 before the tabloids get a hold of this family 86 00:05:35,280 --> 00:05:47,840 My first task dealing with the Arvizo family 87 00:05:47,840 --> 00:05:51,120 was to go pick up the mother, Janet Arvizo, 88 00:05:51,580 --> 00:05:53,700 and bring her to Michael's videographer. 89 00:05:54,860 --> 00:05:56,240 She was very upset. 90 00:05:57,020 --> 00:05:58,780 She was complaining about the family 91 00:05:59,280 --> 00:06:02,560 and all their dreams are shattered now because of this. 92 00:06:06,210 --> 00:06:08,210 We started pretty late in the evening. 93 00:06:09,130 --> 00:06:12,110 I talked the family through what we're going to be talking about, 94 00:06:12,810 --> 00:06:14,050 basically just giving them a rundown 95 00:06:14,050 --> 00:06:15,810 that this is a total fluff interview, 96 00:06:15,810 --> 00:06:17,590 but we want you to be honest. 97 00:06:30,050 --> 00:06:33,410 The family is supposedly totally on board, 98 00:06:34,010 --> 00:06:36,930 but the mom won't start the interview 99 00:06:37,890 --> 00:06:40,970 because I need signed model releases 100 00:06:40,970 --> 00:06:42,410 before we can do the interview. 101 00:06:45,270 --> 00:06:47,030 But she didn't want to sign the model releases. 102 00:06:47,810 --> 00:06:49,590 Why don't you sign a model release? 103 00:06:51,130 --> 00:06:51,730 Money. 104 00:06:52,850 --> 00:06:56,930 So is she worried that she's not going to get a piece of this 105 00:06:56,930 --> 00:06:58,270 if we sell this footage? 106 00:06:58,690 --> 00:07:01,170 And then suddenly she's on the phone with lawyers. 107 00:07:01,970 --> 00:07:04,530 At some point, someone tells Janet 108 00:07:04,530 --> 00:07:08,730 that it's okay for us to sign the model releases 109 00:07:08,730 --> 00:07:10,690 and to film the interview. 110 00:07:11,610 --> 00:07:14,230 Wait, wait. You know how Bashir... 111 00:07:14,230 --> 00:07:18,930 Hey, you know how Bashir zoomed in on him holding hands? 112 00:07:19,030 --> 00:07:20,510 Do that, the same thing. 113 00:07:21,070 --> 00:07:25,510 Because that's what a mother does with a son 114 00:07:25,510 --> 00:07:27,950 or a father does with a son, you know? 115 00:07:28,070 --> 00:07:32,010 And they try to make it out to be something wrong and dirty. 116 00:07:32,770 --> 00:07:33,970 So you can have that. 117 00:07:34,570 --> 00:07:35,690 When I first met Michael, 118 00:07:35,790 --> 00:07:39,570 all I thought was he was a loving, kind, humble man. 119 00:07:39,850 --> 00:07:42,510 And all he wanted to do was good. 120 00:07:43,050 --> 00:07:44,310 As I'm doing an interview, 121 00:07:44,590 --> 00:07:47,210 I really do feel like Gavin is very sincere. 122 00:07:47,730 --> 00:07:49,710 He treats me like he's my father. 123 00:07:53,000 --> 00:07:54,920 He gives Gavin advice. 124 00:07:54,920 --> 00:07:59,820 And Michael is exactly an answered prayer 125 00:07:59,820 --> 00:08:01,340 to my children and me. 126 00:08:02,120 --> 00:08:03,720 Michael is there for us, 127 00:08:04,200 --> 00:08:05,580 there for all three of them. 128 00:08:06,320 --> 00:08:07,940 Janet's just over the top. 129 00:08:08,500 --> 00:08:10,220 I dislike her immediately. 130 00:08:11,280 --> 00:08:13,180 Every door closed on us. 131 00:08:13,680 --> 00:08:16,100 And Michael said, all my doors are open. 132 00:08:17,060 --> 00:08:21,400 My home is your home and your children. 133 00:08:22,560 --> 00:08:24,160 I am like their father. 134 00:08:24,920 --> 00:08:29,040 And his interactions with my children were all innocent, 135 00:08:29,300 --> 00:08:31,740 as a father interacts with his children. 136 00:08:33,039 --> 00:08:35,419 Where she really loses my credibility 137 00:08:35,419 --> 00:08:38,580 is just how she suddenly adopted this idea 138 00:08:38,580 --> 00:08:40,940 that Michael is their real father. 139 00:08:41,500 --> 00:08:45,920 Either this mom is completely in love with Michael Jackson, 140 00:08:46,820 --> 00:08:51,700 or she's driven by the world of Michael Jackson possibilities. 141 00:08:51,700 --> 00:08:55,240 It disturbed me greatly when I saw them 142 00:08:55,240 --> 00:08:58,160 and the innuendos he was making. 143 00:08:58,380 --> 00:09:00,780 They took a beautiful relationship, 144 00:09:01,580 --> 00:09:03,560 relationship that he has with Gavin, 145 00:09:03,760 --> 00:09:05,480 and spun it out of control. 146 00:09:06,500 --> 00:09:07,740 We completed the interview. 147 00:09:08,560 --> 00:09:10,520 But then the director of photography 148 00:09:10,520 --> 00:09:12,180 would not give me the footage. 149 00:09:13,560 --> 00:09:16,180 This interview was obviously very important. 150 00:09:16,520 --> 00:09:18,560 And he wanted Michael to pay him. 151 00:09:19,860 --> 00:09:22,740 So, unfortunately, it never went into the Fox special. 152 00:09:23,880 --> 00:09:25,440 It wasn't a good situation 153 00:09:25,440 --> 00:09:28,420 with tabloids hovering around everybody at the time. 154 00:09:28,880 --> 00:09:31,960 I had a strong feeling that I didn't trust Janet. 155 00:09:32,280 --> 00:09:34,540 So I am absolutely worried 156 00:09:34,540 --> 00:09:37,360 that this is the type of person who might take money 157 00:09:37,360 --> 00:09:40,400 to say, Michael Jackson blessed my kid. 158 00:09:40,620 --> 00:09:41,780 Because there's a lot of money in that. 159 00:09:41,780 --> 00:09:59,210 I have very few friends. 160 00:09:59,790 --> 00:10:02,470 And the friends that are family to me 161 00:10:02,470 --> 00:10:05,410 are because they have exhibited honesty, 162 00:10:06,430 --> 00:10:07,990 trustworthiness, love. 163 00:10:08,510 --> 00:10:10,250 This video, I've never seen it. 164 00:10:10,370 --> 00:10:11,610 I don't know how you guys got all this. 165 00:10:13,770 --> 00:10:16,530 And that is why we are very thankful 166 00:10:17,230 --> 00:10:19,870 and appreciate that Michael calls us family 167 00:10:19,870 --> 00:10:21,510 because he exhibits all that. 168 00:10:21,510 --> 00:10:23,710 And he gives these boys much direction 169 00:10:25,090 --> 00:10:28,490 because 12 and 13, they need a whole bunch of it. 170 00:10:30,430 --> 00:10:32,430 So what you're seeing in Janet here, 171 00:10:32,550 --> 00:10:35,450 she just truly wants this all to be true. 172 00:10:36,390 --> 00:10:38,590 Because this is just a godsend 173 00:10:38,590 --> 00:10:41,410 that there would be a male influence in her children's life 174 00:10:41,410 --> 00:10:42,470 who was kind and caring. 175 00:10:43,330 --> 00:10:44,790 She says things very dramatically, 176 00:10:45,050 --> 00:10:46,930 but Janet really feels what she's saying. 177 00:10:47,350 --> 00:10:49,510 I know her. That's what she feels. 178 00:10:49,510 --> 00:10:52,710 You know, she had been going through a lot of stuff. 179 00:10:53,130 --> 00:10:54,230 She was getting a divorce. 180 00:10:54,730 --> 00:10:57,590 Gavin's father had been abusive to her and the kids. 181 00:10:59,510 --> 00:11:01,270 So at this point, 182 00:11:01,410 --> 00:11:03,210 the idea that somebody this important 183 00:11:03,210 --> 00:11:05,410 would value her children and parent them, 184 00:11:05,810 --> 00:11:07,790 that was meaningful to her, 185 00:11:07,990 --> 00:11:10,110 like extraordinarily meaningful to her at the time. 186 00:11:11,250 --> 00:11:12,390 She craved it. 187 00:11:17,380 --> 00:11:19,940 After the Martin Bashir documentary aired, 188 00:11:20,240 --> 00:11:21,580 I became concerned. 189 00:11:21,580 --> 00:11:22,840 I start calling. 190 00:11:23,340 --> 00:11:24,380 Their numbers are disconnected. 191 00:11:25,260 --> 00:11:26,440 I didn't know where she was. 192 00:11:27,580 --> 00:11:31,420 Clearly, they were at the center of a hurricane. 193 00:11:32,260 --> 00:11:34,480 Anybody that had any kind of show 194 00:11:34,480 --> 00:11:37,760 would have wanted to talk to this family. 195 00:11:39,160 --> 00:11:42,580 Michael Jackson's team would have wanted to keep them contained. 196 00:11:48,940 --> 00:11:51,400 Okay, everybody, that two-hour documentary 197 00:11:51,400 --> 00:11:54,460 on living with Michael Jackson is still making news. 198 00:11:54,460 --> 00:11:56,760 Michael Jackson's image has taken a brutal beating 199 00:11:56,760 --> 00:11:58,080 over the past few months, as you know. 200 00:12:06,190 --> 00:12:08,410 Among the madness of Bashir, 201 00:12:09,270 --> 00:12:09,970 I get a phone call, 202 00:12:10,030 --> 00:12:11,610 hey, we're going to go to Gary, Indiana 203 00:12:11,610 --> 00:12:12,910 and visit Michael's child at home. 204 00:12:13,390 --> 00:12:14,350 Any kind of distraction. 205 00:12:14,990 --> 00:12:16,990 Give them some new Michael Jackson stuff that was positive. 206 00:12:19,190 --> 00:12:20,950 I would like to officially, 207 00:12:21,250 --> 00:12:23,050 on behalf of the men and the women 208 00:12:23,050 --> 00:12:24,830 and the young people of the city of Gary, 209 00:12:25,470 --> 00:12:28,150 welcome back home Mr. Michael Jackson. 210 00:12:28,150 --> 00:12:30,270 I am the biggest fan. 211 00:12:30,390 --> 00:12:31,450 Well, probably not the biggest 212 00:12:31,450 --> 00:12:32,590 because there's a lot of them here, 213 00:12:32,770 --> 00:12:34,570 but I just love Michael Jackson. 214 00:12:34,830 --> 00:12:36,950 Just his persona, he loves children. 215 00:12:37,210 --> 00:12:39,590 I just, in a good way, he loves children. 216 00:12:40,230 --> 00:12:42,090 He, uh, listen, he a role model. 217 00:12:43,070 --> 00:12:44,010 And I love him. 218 00:12:44,330 --> 00:12:45,890 I originally thought we were going 219 00:12:45,890 --> 00:12:48,470 because he wanted to visit his hometown. 220 00:12:49,470 --> 00:12:50,970 But as it turns out, 221 00:12:51,170 --> 00:12:55,750 it was to capture footage of Michael's humble beginnings 222 00:12:55,750 --> 00:12:58,550 because that was what the narrative was going to be. 223 00:12:58,850 --> 00:13:00,750 It was like going to be the sickly sweet, 224 00:13:01,490 --> 00:13:03,890 you know, you know, here comes the king, 225 00:13:04,070 --> 00:13:05,350 you know, like wah, wah. 226 00:13:06,090 --> 00:13:08,550 The management of Michael's image, 227 00:13:08,790 --> 00:13:10,070 that's the number one thing. 228 00:13:11,310 --> 00:13:14,250 When you saw Michael's childhood home, 229 00:13:14,530 --> 00:13:15,890 it was pretty rough. 230 00:13:16,850 --> 00:13:17,910 You know, we're talking a two, 231 00:13:18,090 --> 00:13:21,590 a small two room home where 10 or 11 people lived. 232 00:13:22,670 --> 00:13:24,170 Michael grew up in abject poverty, 233 00:13:24,170 --> 00:13:26,450 certainly in an age of discrimination. 234 00:13:27,370 --> 00:13:29,890 Opportunities for black men and black families especially 235 00:13:29,890 --> 00:13:31,530 was, were, were very limited. 236 00:13:32,070 --> 00:13:33,890 But the one thing that really affected him 237 00:13:33,890 --> 00:13:35,530 was his relationship with his father. 238 00:13:37,430 --> 00:13:39,950 Father, he did some rough, cruel, 239 00:13:41,550 --> 00:13:42,930 the way he would beat you. 240 00:13:43,350 --> 00:13:45,730 He would make you strip nude first. 241 00:13:46,190 --> 00:13:48,450 So when, when the foot of the, um, 242 00:13:48,910 --> 00:13:50,830 of the ironing court hit you, 243 00:13:50,970 --> 00:13:54,150 it would just, you know, fall on your face, your back. 244 00:13:54,170 --> 00:13:54,670 Everywhere. 245 00:13:56,190 --> 00:13:57,130 He would tell us, 246 00:13:57,750 --> 00:13:58,710 don't call me dad. 247 00:13:59,090 --> 00:13:59,730 I'm Joseph. 248 00:14:01,530 --> 00:14:03,670 I never felt love from him. 249 00:14:05,010 --> 00:14:08,250 All I want is his, is his love, his approval. 250 00:14:09,790 --> 00:14:11,870 I think the broken relationship 251 00:14:11,870 --> 00:14:13,770 between father and son was monumental. 252 00:14:15,650 --> 00:14:17,650 They were really like two Michael Jacksons. 253 00:14:17,890 --> 00:14:19,410 One needed love and validation, 254 00:14:19,790 --> 00:14:21,770 the other needed attention and celebrity. 255 00:14:22,890 --> 00:14:26,450 I proudly present to you Mr. Michael Jackson. 256 00:14:28,610 --> 00:14:31,150 Everything is already geared up like a machine. 257 00:14:31,470 --> 00:14:32,550 All this love. 258 00:14:33,770 --> 00:14:36,930 It's all orchestrated to get support from the fans, 259 00:14:37,130 --> 00:14:39,910 you know, because they would defend him no matter what. 260 00:14:40,110 --> 00:14:42,210 The Gary Community School Corporation 261 00:14:42,210 --> 00:14:46,130 welcomes home the king of pop, Michael Jackson. 262 00:14:50,290 --> 00:14:51,750 The intrigue surrounding Michael Jackson 263 00:14:51,770 --> 00:14:53,230 it continues tonight. 264 00:14:53,470 --> 00:14:55,150 Would you let your son or daughter 265 00:14:55,150 --> 00:14:56,270 stay over at Neverland? 266 00:14:56,470 --> 00:14:59,010 No, and I can't understand why these other boys' parents 267 00:14:59,010 --> 00:15:00,090 allowed them to either. 268 00:15:00,310 --> 00:15:02,170 I believe that Child Welfare Services 269 00:15:02,170 --> 00:15:05,250 should interview every child that has been at Neverland 270 00:15:05,570 --> 00:15:07,290 with Mr. Jackson in his bedroom. 271 00:15:07,810 --> 00:15:10,390 The tabloids are still foaming at the mouth. 272 00:15:11,670 --> 00:15:12,970 And there was a sense that 273 00:15:12,970 --> 00:15:14,990 you want to keep Janet Arvizo, 274 00:15:15,150 --> 00:15:16,870 who seems like a bit of a live wire, 275 00:15:17,250 --> 00:15:20,750 as far away from tabloids and people with checks 276 00:15:20,750 --> 00:15:22,130 as possible. 277 00:15:25,670 --> 00:15:29,080 The Arvizo family is surrounded by handlers. 278 00:15:30,930 --> 00:15:33,050 They're getting carted around 279 00:15:33,050 --> 00:15:35,450 by people inside the Jackson team. 280 00:15:35,870 --> 00:15:37,930 And there is a controlled element of 281 00:15:37,930 --> 00:15:40,350 making sure they don't talk to people 282 00:15:40,350 --> 00:15:41,630 that they shouldn't be talking to. 283 00:15:45,010 --> 00:15:49,960 I would bring Janet and the kids 284 00:15:49,960 --> 00:15:53,200 back and forth between the Neverland Ranch and L.A. 285 00:15:54,040 --> 00:15:56,120 I was told to spend my time 286 00:15:56,120 --> 00:15:57,620 with assisting Janet Arvizo, 287 00:15:57,680 --> 00:15:59,200 whatever needed to get done. 288 00:16:04,840 --> 00:16:07,040 I drove her all over the place. 289 00:16:09,920 --> 00:16:13,080 The Arvizos are okay with it at first, 290 00:16:13,460 --> 00:16:15,560 but slowly they start to, you know, 291 00:16:15,620 --> 00:16:18,040 become resentful of being controlled. 292 00:16:18,840 --> 00:16:20,840 No, no, no, you don't go get your groceries. 293 00:16:20,980 --> 00:16:22,020 We'll do it with you. 294 00:16:25,340 --> 00:16:27,360 And then I was told that Vinny 295 00:16:27,360 --> 00:16:28,980 was going to help them move. 296 00:16:31,400 --> 00:16:32,380 And I go, why? 297 00:16:33,480 --> 00:16:34,540 Do they want to move? 298 00:16:35,000 --> 00:16:36,660 Well, we need a better location. 299 00:16:37,280 --> 00:16:38,100 We? Who's we? 300 00:16:38,880 --> 00:16:41,400 You know, so this is, this is curious language. 301 00:16:43,120 --> 00:16:45,140 The Arvizo family were getting 302 00:16:45,140 --> 00:16:46,880 a lot of pressure from the press. 303 00:16:48,740 --> 00:16:50,640 And there was a need for a place 304 00:16:50,640 --> 00:16:52,000 where they can stay with their kids. 305 00:16:52,000 --> 00:16:53,120 Where they can feel safe. 306 00:16:55,460 --> 00:16:56,900 There was also a lot of talk 307 00:16:56,900 --> 00:16:58,400 about taking the family on a vacation. 308 00:16:59,060 --> 00:17:01,260 Vinny was running around getting passport photos. 309 00:17:01,900 --> 00:17:02,880 And I thought that was probably 310 00:17:02,880 --> 00:17:04,260 a really smart idea as well. 311 00:17:04,440 --> 00:17:05,780 And to make sure that this family 312 00:17:05,780 --> 00:17:08,000 is off in Mars, 313 00:17:09,180 --> 00:17:10,780 as far away from the press 314 00:17:10,780 --> 00:17:12,040 and the tabloids as possible. 315 00:17:20,359 --> 00:17:21,380 I'm being asked, 316 00:17:21,760 --> 00:17:23,700 wouldn't you like to let go to Brazil? 317 00:17:23,700 --> 00:17:24,660 I'm like, no. 318 00:17:25,500 --> 00:17:27,099 Why is the family being coaxed 319 00:17:27,099 --> 00:17:27,840 to go to Brazil? 320 00:17:28,600 --> 00:17:31,460 There is this plan that's going on, 321 00:17:31,520 --> 00:17:33,160 but who's the guy behind the curtain 322 00:17:33,160 --> 00:17:34,060 in The Wizard of Oz? 323 00:17:35,760 --> 00:17:36,960 Nothing's going to get done 324 00:17:36,960 --> 00:17:37,980 without Michael's approval. 325 00:17:39,860 --> 00:17:41,360 He knows what's going on. 326 00:17:54,090 --> 00:17:55,030 One day, 327 00:17:55,190 --> 00:17:57,890 I get a frantic phone call from Janet 328 00:17:57,890 --> 00:17:59,670 who is being kept somewhere 329 00:17:59,670 --> 00:18:00,550 and whispering. 330 00:18:01,950 --> 00:18:03,270 She was panicky 331 00:18:03,650 --> 00:18:06,130 and she wants me to come to where she is 332 00:18:06,130 --> 00:18:07,630 and get her and the kids 333 00:18:07,630 --> 00:18:09,010 and bring them back to my house. 334 00:18:10,870 --> 00:18:12,350 She sounded desperate 335 00:18:12,350 --> 00:18:14,890 and I felt her panic 336 00:18:14,890 --> 00:18:16,090 for her own children. 337 00:18:19,260 --> 00:18:21,380 She felt they were keeping her family 338 00:18:21,380 --> 00:18:22,180 at Neverland 339 00:18:22,180 --> 00:18:24,880 and that they were going to send them to Brazil 340 00:18:25,460 --> 00:18:27,260 and make the family disappear. 341 00:18:29,080 --> 00:18:31,160 And it's not like you can call the police 342 00:18:31,160 --> 00:18:31,780 and say, 343 00:18:32,420 --> 00:18:33,440 you know, 344 00:18:34,320 --> 00:18:35,980 I think there's a family 345 00:18:35,980 --> 00:18:37,580 being held against their will 346 00:18:37,580 --> 00:18:38,740 by Michael Jackson. 347 00:18:39,660 --> 00:18:40,960 I don't know there's, 348 00:18:41,160 --> 00:18:42,440 that's a 911 call 349 00:18:42,440 --> 00:18:43,520 that's going to be put through. 350 00:18:44,220 --> 00:18:47,140 I had extended to her, 351 00:18:47,340 --> 00:18:48,900 you know, call me in 24 hours 352 00:18:48,900 --> 00:18:50,600 and then I would have 353 00:18:51,860 --> 00:18:53,800 better resources in place. 354 00:18:54,900 --> 00:18:56,740 And she never called. 355 00:19:07,650 --> 00:19:09,190 When I became involved 356 00:19:09,190 --> 00:19:09,730 with Janet 357 00:19:10,870 --> 00:19:12,170 and her family, 358 00:19:12,670 --> 00:19:13,710 they were allowed to go 359 00:19:13,710 --> 00:19:14,330 anywhere they wanted 360 00:19:14,330 --> 00:19:15,050 and I would take them 361 00:19:15,050 --> 00:19:15,650 wherever they wanted. 362 00:19:18,200 --> 00:19:19,760 One day she said, 363 00:19:19,920 --> 00:19:21,720 please bring my children 364 00:19:21,720 --> 00:19:24,080 down to their grandparents' house. 365 00:19:24,240 --> 00:19:26,200 My mother is sick. 366 00:19:27,020 --> 00:19:28,240 I didn't think anything of it. 367 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:31,120 After that day, 368 00:19:31,480 --> 00:19:32,700 we hadn't heard from them. 369 00:19:34,340 --> 00:19:35,680 They were done with us 370 00:19:35,680 --> 00:19:36,600 and we were finished 371 00:19:36,600 --> 00:19:37,660 working with them 372 00:19:37,660 --> 00:19:39,060 and that was it. 373 00:19:39,060 --> 00:19:40,680 They were going to leave 374 00:19:40,680 --> 00:19:41,920 anywhere, any time, 375 00:19:42,040 --> 00:19:44,420 any day. 376 00:19:51,750 --> 00:19:53,190 When I finally heard 377 00:19:53,190 --> 00:19:53,730 from Janet, 378 00:19:53,930 --> 00:19:55,990 she told me about the danger 379 00:19:55,990 --> 00:19:57,850 that she felt 380 00:19:59,210 --> 00:20:00,850 had been visited 381 00:20:00,850 --> 00:20:01,850 upon her family. 382 00:20:02,590 --> 00:20:04,210 They had been kept at Neverland 383 00:20:04,210 --> 00:20:05,350 for three weeks or so 384 00:20:06,290 --> 00:20:08,750 and when Janet got her kids home, 385 00:20:09,590 --> 00:20:11,250 they were not behaving normally. 386 00:20:14,300 --> 00:20:15,460 Janet spoke to 387 00:20:15,780 --> 00:20:16,000 her lawyer. 388 00:20:16,700 --> 00:20:17,680 He heard enough 389 00:20:17,680 --> 00:20:18,720 and saw these boys 390 00:20:18,720 --> 00:20:19,600 and thought, 391 00:20:20,180 --> 00:20:21,520 I don't like the way 392 00:20:21,520 --> 00:20:22,580 this is sounding at all. 393 00:20:24,280 --> 00:20:25,220 I told Michael, 394 00:20:25,480 --> 00:20:26,200 don't work with kids, 395 00:20:26,340 --> 00:20:27,100 work with their parents. 396 00:20:27,720 --> 00:20:28,340 It's their parents 397 00:20:28,340 --> 00:20:28,820 who are supposed to be 398 00:20:28,820 --> 00:20:29,200 leading them. 399 00:20:29,660 --> 00:20:30,980 You're not the child's Messiah. 400 00:20:32,880 --> 00:20:34,040 I always feel that 401 00:20:34,040 --> 00:20:35,040 I don't want the parents 402 00:20:35,040 --> 00:20:35,880 to get jealous 403 00:20:35,880 --> 00:20:37,200 because it happens sometimes 404 00:20:37,200 --> 00:20:38,420 and I always say, 405 00:20:38,500 --> 00:20:40,060 I'm not trying to take your place. 406 00:20:40,700 --> 00:20:41,460 I'm just trying to help 407 00:20:41,460 --> 00:20:42,540 and I want to be a friend 408 00:20:42,980 --> 00:20:44,220 and the kids end up 409 00:20:44,220 --> 00:20:45,220 just falling in love 410 00:20:45,220 --> 00:20:46,240 with my personality. 411 00:20:46,580 --> 00:20:47,640 Sometimes it gets me 412 00:20:47,640 --> 00:20:48,220 into trouble. 413 00:20:57,930 --> 00:20:58,810 In 2003, 414 00:20:59,090 --> 00:21:01,170 I was a senior prosecutor 415 00:21:01,170 --> 00:21:02,770 in the district attorney's office. 416 00:21:03,450 --> 00:21:04,910 I was the supervisor 417 00:21:12,690 --> 00:21:13,510 of a two-page report 418 00:21:13,950 --> 00:21:15,190 and I'm looking at it 419 00:21:15,190 --> 00:21:16,070 and it seems to be 420 00:21:16,070 --> 00:21:18,150 kind of the ordinary preamble 421 00:21:18,150 --> 00:21:19,490 that you see in these investigations 422 00:21:20,090 --> 00:21:21,250 and I don't understand 423 00:21:21,250 --> 00:21:22,110 why I'm sitting there 424 00:21:22,110 --> 00:21:23,050 looking at this thing. 425 00:21:23,150 --> 00:21:24,610 It's like dozens of other cases 426 00:21:24,610 --> 00:21:25,270 I've looked at. 427 00:21:26,270 --> 00:21:27,510 And then I look at the top 428 00:21:27,510 --> 00:21:28,250 that has the name. 429 00:21:28,370 --> 00:21:29,670 I never went to the name 430 00:21:29,670 --> 00:21:30,930 and the name was 431 00:21:30,930 --> 00:21:31,970 Michael Joe Jackson. 432 00:21:51,160 --> 00:21:51,600 Gavin, 433 00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:52,500 can you tell us 434 00:21:52,500 --> 00:21:53,360 what your conversations, 435 00:21:53,640 --> 00:21:54,960 what you guys talked about? 436 00:21:57,420 --> 00:21:58,460 He says that, 437 00:21:58,640 --> 00:21:59,880 I know you're stressed out 438 00:22:00,360 --> 00:22:01,340 about all the stuff 439 00:22:01,340 --> 00:22:02,000 that's going on 440 00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:02,740 so I have something 441 00:22:02,740 --> 00:22:03,740 that can relax you. 442 00:22:04,560 --> 00:22:05,200 He said, 443 00:22:05,240 --> 00:22:05,540 drink it. 444 00:22:05,620 --> 00:22:05,860 And I said, 445 00:22:05,880 --> 00:22:06,300 what's that? 446 00:22:07,360 --> 00:22:08,660 And he said, 447 00:22:09,860 --> 00:22:10,820 it's drinking 448 00:22:10,820 --> 00:22:11,760 so I drank it. 449 00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:13,400 I didn't like the taste 450 00:22:13,400 --> 00:22:14,560 and I asked him, 451 00:22:14,620 --> 00:22:15,060 what is it? 452 00:22:15,080 --> 00:22:15,400 And he said, 453 00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:16,000 it's wine. 454 00:22:16,760 --> 00:22:18,040 Just keep drinking it. 455 00:22:18,180 --> 00:22:18,880 Okay, don't drink it. 456 00:22:21,340 --> 00:22:23,040 And my head started hurting 457 00:22:23,040 --> 00:22:23,480 and stuff. 458 00:22:24,180 --> 00:22:24,480 I fell. 459 00:22:25,780 --> 00:22:27,200 Gavin talking about 460 00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:28,120 alcohol use 461 00:22:36,300 --> 00:22:36,740 and, if you will, 462 00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:39,180 demeanor of somebody 463 00:22:39,180 --> 00:22:41,120 that's been abused. 464 00:22:41,680 --> 00:22:41,960 You know, 465 00:22:42,400 --> 00:22:44,020 the shying away from the questions, 466 00:22:44,760 --> 00:22:46,520 not wanting to talk about anything, 467 00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:48,500 keeping himself closed up 468 00:22:48,500 --> 00:22:49,320 during the interview. 469 00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:52,420 He said that 470 00:22:52,420 --> 00:22:55,980 we boys have to 471 00:22:55,980 --> 00:22:56,440 masturbate 472 00:22:56,440 --> 00:22:57,520 because if we don't 473 00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:01,000 we can go crazy. 474 00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:02,380 He said that 475 00:23:02,380 --> 00:23:03,340 he wanted to show me 476 00:23:06,300 --> 00:23:07,040 how to masturbate. 477 00:23:08,020 --> 00:23:08,500 Okay. 478 00:23:09,100 --> 00:23:10,080 I said no. 479 00:23:12,820 --> 00:23:13,460 And he said, 480 00:23:13,580 --> 00:23:14,500 he'd do it for me. 481 00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:15,160 Okay. 482 00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:19,160 And did he do it for you? 483 00:23:27,470 --> 00:23:28,270 Go ahead, Gavin, 484 00:23:28,330 --> 00:23:28,770 it's fine. 485 00:23:31,250 --> 00:23:32,790 He put his hand in my pants. 486 00:23:33,190 --> 00:23:34,290 Did he put it on the outside? 487 00:23:35,030 --> 00:23:35,510 Inside. 488 00:23:35,690 --> 00:23:36,150 Inside? 489 00:23:36,730 --> 00:23:37,970 And what did he do next? 490 00:23:38,470 --> 00:23:40,830 He started masturbating me. 491 00:23:42,930 --> 00:23:43,510 And 492 00:23:45,750 --> 00:23:46,630 after a while, 493 00:23:46,710 --> 00:23:48,130 I told him I didn't want to do it. 494 00:23:48,890 --> 00:23:49,610 Did he stop? 495 00:23:49,750 --> 00:23:52,630 He told me he kept on doing it. 496 00:23:56,720 --> 00:23:59,160 Having to publicly talk about 497 00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:00,260 sexual abuse 498 00:24:00,260 --> 00:24:01,700 is not an easy thing. 499 00:24:02,120 --> 00:24:03,640 But he was courageous. 500 00:24:05,020 --> 00:24:06,480 I had complete faith 501 00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:08,140 in everything Gavin was saying. 502 00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:09,820 And I, 503 00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:12,240 there was never a question in my mind 504 00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:14,620 as to the honesty 505 00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:16,060 of his statements. 506 00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:16,640 Never. 507 00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:19,300 But I knew we were going after 508 00:24:19,300 --> 00:24:20,680 an international superstar. 509 00:24:21,580 --> 00:24:23,020 And that changes the equation. 510 00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:24,800 That was the part that was 511 00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:26,360 the unknown for all of us. 512 00:24:34,550 --> 00:24:35,070 Romance. 513 00:24:35,990 --> 00:24:37,410 Is love and romance 514 00:24:37,410 --> 00:24:38,330 two different things? 515 00:24:39,810 --> 00:24:41,210 I'm in love with 516 00:24:41,210 --> 00:24:42,090 innocence. 517 00:24:42,550 --> 00:24:43,630 That's what I'm in love with. 518 00:24:43,630 --> 00:24:45,890 And that's why I love children so much. 519 00:24:46,990 --> 00:24:48,190 I can relate to them easier. 520 00:24:48,890 --> 00:24:49,450 Much easier. 521 00:24:50,410 --> 00:24:50,830 You just 522 00:24:51,710 --> 00:24:52,310 play. 523 00:24:52,530 --> 00:24:54,430 Just love and innocence 524 00:24:54,430 --> 00:24:57,190 and to find true happiness 525 00:24:57,190 --> 00:24:58,610 and magic, you know? 526 00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:12,360 There are surprising developments 527 00:25:12,360 --> 00:25:13,920 at the home of Michael Jackson. 528 00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:15,400 Authorities are serving 529 00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:16,720 a secret search warrant 530 00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:17,360 at his ranch 531 00:25:17,360 --> 00:25:18,860 near Santa Barbara, California. 532 00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:20,900 Although there is no official word 533 00:25:20,900 --> 00:25:22,480 as to the nature of the warrant, 534 00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:23,900 a number of news outlets 535 00:25:23,900 --> 00:25:25,180 are reporting that the search 536 00:25:25,180 --> 00:25:26,380 is tied to allegations 537 00:25:26,380 --> 00:25:27,820 from a 12-year-old boy 538 00:25:27,820 --> 00:25:29,660 that he was molested by Jackson. 539 00:25:30,380 --> 00:25:31,860 I was watching CNN 540 00:25:31,860 --> 00:25:34,700 and I saw all of these police 541 00:25:34,700 --> 00:25:37,000 entering the gates of Neverland. 542 00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:38,860 Investigators have swarmed 543 00:25:38,860 --> 00:25:40,560 Jackson's Neverland ranch. 544 00:25:40,740 --> 00:25:42,400 Target Neverland is underway. 545 00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:43,800 I picked up the phone 546 00:25:47,360 --> 00:25:48,880 and I said, Mr. Jackson, 547 00:25:49,740 --> 00:25:50,920 are you okay? 548 00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:52,720 And he says, yeah, why? 549 00:25:52,900 --> 00:25:54,380 I said, they're raiding Neverland. 550 00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:55,220 He says, what? 551 00:25:55,840 --> 00:25:57,300 I said, turn on CNN. 552 00:25:57,660 --> 00:25:58,640 You'll see it there. 553 00:25:58,920 --> 00:25:59,700 It's live. 554 00:25:59,820 --> 00:26:01,540 They're raiding Neverland. 555 00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:05,960 Michael was really shocked 556 00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:07,960 and I'd never seen 557 00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:08,700 anything like it. 558 00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:10,760 I mean, the gate of Neverland 559 00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:13,220 is a good mile from the house 560 00:26:13,220 --> 00:26:16,340 and here's this string of cars 561 00:26:17,360 --> 00:26:18,520 and suddenly it's just abuse. 562 00:26:19,420 --> 00:26:20,340 It's harassment. 563 00:26:21,020 --> 00:26:22,820 The media has set up camp out here. 564 00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:25,420 We're told as many as 60 investigators 565 00:26:25,420 --> 00:26:26,640 are inside at this point 566 00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:27,720 searching the ranch. 567 00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:30,120 It was a very large operation. 568 00:26:32,100 --> 00:26:35,300 I was a newly promoted detective. 569 00:26:36,100 --> 00:26:38,660 I was a big Michael Jackson fan 570 00:26:38,660 --> 00:26:39,500 as a teenager. 571 00:26:40,860 --> 00:26:42,240 When Michael Jackson 572 00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:43,520 would come out to perform, 573 00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:46,300 you can imagine teenage girls 574 00:26:46,300 --> 00:26:47,700 screaming at the top of their lungs. 575 00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:49,540 That's what we were doing. 576 00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:52,660 When I was told about the allegations 577 00:26:52,660 --> 00:26:53,740 against Michael Jackson, 578 00:26:54,020 --> 00:26:55,240 I was kind of surprised. 579 00:26:56,480 --> 00:26:58,800 I was assigned to search 580 00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:00,300 the main residence. 581 00:27:01,660 --> 00:27:02,220 Hi. 582 00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:04,060 How you doing? 583 00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:04,940 Sheriff's Department. 584 00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:05,720 We have a search warrant. 585 00:27:09,900 --> 00:27:11,520 To me, Michael Jackson 586 00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:12,540 was just another celebrity. 587 00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:14,600 When you're dealing with celebrities, 588 00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:16,600 you have accusations that are made 589 00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:19,300 and you have to take those accusations 590 00:27:19,300 --> 00:27:20,240 with a grain of salt. 591 00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:22,020 You have to do your investigation. 592 00:27:26,790 --> 00:27:28,490 Whose office is this? 593 00:27:29,390 --> 00:27:30,350 That's his office. 594 00:27:30,950 --> 00:27:31,830 This is Michael's? 595 00:27:33,290 --> 00:27:35,190 Does he have anything else? 596 00:27:35,210 --> 00:27:36,810 Michael Jackson's mansion 597 00:27:36,810 --> 00:27:39,490 was like no other house 598 00:27:39,490 --> 00:27:41,110 I've ever seen. 599 00:27:41,910 --> 00:27:45,290 There was just so much stuff everywhere. 600 00:27:46,190 --> 00:27:48,070 This is the area right here. 601 00:27:48,290 --> 00:27:49,690 This is the way we have to go. 602 00:27:50,170 --> 00:27:51,490 This is where we get in. 603 00:27:51,930 --> 00:27:52,990 And that is... 604 00:27:56,530 --> 00:27:58,110 My assignment was going to be 605 00:27:58,110 --> 00:28:00,030 going into Michael Jackson's bedroom. 606 00:28:00,450 --> 00:28:02,510 Somebody said now he's moved upstairs 607 00:28:02,510 --> 00:28:03,850 rather than down here. 608 00:28:04,010 --> 00:28:05,590 So we're also going to have to check up on that. 609 00:28:05,590 --> 00:28:07,190 Let's just secure everything right now. 610 00:28:07,530 --> 00:28:09,990 Gavin had disclosed 611 00:28:09,990 --> 00:28:11,830 that there would be a briefcase 612 00:28:12,570 --> 00:28:14,630 with pornographic magazines 613 00:28:14,630 --> 00:28:17,670 that were used by Michael 614 00:28:17,670 --> 00:28:19,070 to provoke an arousal. 615 00:28:19,650 --> 00:28:21,850 Those items we refer to 616 00:28:21,850 --> 00:28:22,710 as grooming materials. 617 00:28:28,550 --> 00:28:30,730 My job was to do the library. 618 00:28:32,170 --> 00:28:33,670 First thing that caught my attention, 619 00:28:33,890 --> 00:28:34,950 it was all cluttered. 620 00:28:35,050 --> 00:28:37,770 Boxes of books on the floor. 621 00:28:38,810 --> 00:28:40,310 The books I remember seizing 622 00:28:40,310 --> 00:28:42,490 were books of children 623 00:28:42,490 --> 00:28:43,590 posing in their underwear. 624 00:28:44,070 --> 00:28:45,250 In and of themselves, 625 00:28:45,250 --> 00:28:47,370 they're not child pornography. 626 00:28:47,970 --> 00:28:49,350 They weren't posing together 627 00:28:49,350 --> 00:28:50,490 in sexual acts 628 00:28:50,490 --> 00:28:52,090 or anything like that. 629 00:28:52,270 --> 00:28:54,110 But based on the investigations 630 00:28:54,110 --> 00:28:55,170 I'd done in the past, 631 00:28:55,450 --> 00:28:56,810 to me those were grooming books. 632 00:28:57,930 --> 00:28:59,330 We'd found books like that 633 00:28:59,330 --> 00:29:00,710 in other situations. 634 00:29:04,010 --> 00:29:05,510 We also found 635 00:29:05,970 --> 00:29:09,590 a pair of underwear briefs 636 00:29:09,590 --> 00:29:10,570 stuffed in a box. 637 00:29:11,630 --> 00:29:12,210 They were 638 00:29:13,490 --> 00:29:14,970 either very small adults 639 00:29:15,250 --> 00:29:15,850 or children's briefs. 640 00:29:18,450 --> 00:29:20,250 We asked the housekeeper 641 00:29:20,250 --> 00:29:21,190 where's the bedroom. 642 00:29:21,650 --> 00:29:22,870 That's when we were told 643 00:29:22,870 --> 00:29:24,070 no one was permitted 644 00:29:24,070 --> 00:29:24,890 into his bedroom 645 00:29:25,970 --> 00:29:27,330 and nobody had a key 646 00:29:27,330 --> 00:29:28,030 for his bedroom. 647 00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:37,140 We were able to make entry. 648 00:29:40,340 --> 00:29:42,240 And when we walked in, 649 00:29:43,180 --> 00:29:44,280 it was a mess. 650 00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:45,780 Papers, 651 00:29:45,780 --> 00:29:46,980 clothes 652 00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:49,300 covering the whole floor. 653 00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:51,500 I found some 654 00:29:51,500 --> 00:29:53,520 pepperoni sausages 655 00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:55,520 that were just thrown in there. 656 00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:57,500 I remember thinking, 657 00:29:57,620 --> 00:29:58,960 oh my gosh, this?