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This sound will him
record with a tape recorder.
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- Brad?
- Here we are.
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- Brad?
- Yes
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You want to again
to play it
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after the instrumental break,
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and then reenter
with the quarters
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towards the end of, uh--
there, before the "C"?
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Ready!
This is which?
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OK, second take.
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- Alvin!
- OK!
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It's 5 o'clock in Los Angeles!
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subtitle translation
torrentoula ♫
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The Demolition Workshop
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The Wrecking Crew was
the focus of music.
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They had all the soul..
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and all the know-how,
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especially for rock and roll.
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In her heart
production,
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everyone knew
what was going on there.
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I mean, everyone knew that
the best musicians
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they played in all of them
recordings
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but we, as an audience
we didn't know that.
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I had no idea that
specific people
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they weren't playing on their records
until the Monkees came along.
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They played so well, and
so nice to each other
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I think they liked it so much.
They respected each other,
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and everyone was sitting and
they hung out -
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You know, they were talking in between
at the shootings they also hung out.
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I mean, it was like -
it was a social event
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and for themselves.
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The nice thing about her
the group
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is that they were playing
together a lot.
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And so they had become one
layered groove machine.
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They knew each other.
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That's how you could count
in what they offered.
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We played for everyone.
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On the album Lazy-Crazy-Hazy Days
of Summer
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with Nat King Cole,
they are the same who
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so did the Beach Boys.
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The musicians were real
the unknown heroes
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of all these
hit records.
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When I listen to the records,
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it's so obvious
that these guys
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they were just too good.
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And you can understand why
everyone used them, you know?
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Because they were so close.
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They were the dry, cold ones
rock and roll professionals,
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and maybe never again
not to exist
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a group of musicians
of rock and roll
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of this level.
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Probably not
did you know his name
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But you probably sang or
you hummed his music
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The famous studio guitarist,
Tommy Tedesco is dead.
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I'm Kurt Loder with the
soon news of MTV.
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Tommy Tedesco was
undoubtedly
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the king of session guitarists
of Los Angeles.
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You probably haven't heard
never his name
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or his voice,
but listen.
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He is someone who
you've heard before.
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He was playing on the theme
of Bonanza ...
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of Batman.
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♪ The chores! ♪
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♪ The stores! ♪
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Tedesco died from
cancer on monday
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at his home in
Northridge, California,
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at the age of 67.
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His name maybe not
it is instantly familiar
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to all, some of
his music, it certainly is.
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Here's the irony.
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You spend your whole life
playing guitar,
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- . .. instead of Tommy.
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Tommy wasn't just one
legendary guitarist.
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He was my father.
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And he was also a member
of an elite group
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music studio.
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So what follows
it's my father's story
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and his extended family,
of the Wrecking Crew.
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♪
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The Hondells, the Marketts,
the Routers--
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We wrote the tracks
and discs,
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and then they formed one
group, which would become the group.
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People don't
they also focused a lot
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in the long, drawn out ones
album recordings.
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Four songs
in three hours.
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Only a specific group
of people can do this.
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Many of the recordings
they were coming over here.
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That's when we had mass
influx of New York musicians.
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He was in his mid-60s,
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when they started to
flow here.
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Then we got flooded
at that time.
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This led to a
flood of work
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for the musicians of
Los Angeles studio.
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Not everyone, but
a small group
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which became known later
as the Wrecking Crew.
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She was not an organized one
band of musicians
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which started to
understand rock and roll.
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And I can't say exactly
who was a member of it
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You know, “They're going to crash
the music business."
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- We didn't have the respect that
the older ones had.
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You remember the elders
studio players,
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the Barney Kessels,
and Lloyd Elliots,
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- all these guys?
- Yes, exactly.
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- Yes, that's how the whole thing came about
with the "demolition workshop".
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Although the term "Demolition Plant"
"The Wrecking Crew"
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became more popular
by rock historians,
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many of them
musicians heard the term
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many years later.
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- I think I heard it first
by Hal Blaine.
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- Yes.. --
- Probably him
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he thought of the name.
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- I think it's just evolved.
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- It was --
- The first time that
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I heard it, I think it was
at The Baked Potato,
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that they had her
the gathering.
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They used the expression
"the demolition crew."
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- It was also used earlier.
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It was used as much
we were recording
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- And the definition of what belonged
at the Demolition Workshop,
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there is no and
no definition.
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Among the sound engineers,
producers
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trick for this
do you know
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It was our job to
to invent phrases etc,
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then on the third line
this came to me:
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And Sonny went crazy
and gave it to Bob West,
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the bassist, to play it.
And we bothplay it
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throughout the melody.
And without a good bass line
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the melody does not emerge
you know
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it doesn't click, you know
as in a soux.
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- I always said,
"They put notes on paper.
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They put notes on paper,
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but that's not what music is."
You make the music.
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Is it what you're going to do with the notes?
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- Right.
- What do you do with sheet music?
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- Absolutely.
- What are you doing with the chords?
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- Otherwise, you just take
the union for
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to find a guitarist.
- Right, so--
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So it's what will
you put
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because how many days is it
in fact, we are all here.
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- It's what you're going to put on,
which is not written.
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- Actually everyone can
- those who sit here,
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I remember I did
different things
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that no one ever
he hadn't imagined.
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And then, suddenly, it happened
part of the disk
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and part of the mark
record of the record.
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- We all produced at
our place. It's that simple.
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- Oh, yes, yes.
- To swing, yes.
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You know, the first thing
that I ever did,
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that "smelled" so to speak
rock and roll
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it was some work
which I don't know either
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not even for which artist.
There was no minor 7th
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not even for a sample, you know?
It was completely straight.
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Then I knew it existed
something different.
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At the time, I did
Ozzie and Harriet TV show.
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- Ah!
- And then suddenly,
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you know, i do this show.
And then, they say -
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One day, they come.. I mean,
Jimmie Haskell is coming..
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and with Ricky Nelson, he says...
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"We do these things
rock and roll stuff."
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I have no idea what they are saying.
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It just gives me a sheet music
with chords, and says,
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- "Play behind Ricky Nelson."
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So very soon, I found myself..
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We started working
with this.
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That brought me to LA
in... 1960..
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In the summer of '60, to play
with Ricky Nelson's band.
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Working with them,
in this way
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was a perfect example of this
which would follow later.
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And I had no idea that
I would ever be
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"session".
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I didn't even know what
it meant that.
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We learned to play
rock and roll
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on the job.
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Hey, you know, since
this is what they want...
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I can do it.
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You know, this is Latin -
It's Latin music.
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It's nothing, you know.
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You can do it
all day this.
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There were some dogmatists,
as always
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in everything in life, some
people do not compromise.
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No, that they couldn't. They didn't,
in most cases.
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They did not allow themselves
them to.. you know..
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They felt that they are at one
specific level.
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And rock and roll
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it was maybe a little bit
inferior to them.
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And they didn't want to
get involved,
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while, ours, we
we welcomed rock and roll.
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They didn't play shit like that
they didn't know.
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They didn't like them.
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And I started playing
mostly in demos,
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you know, $10 a piece, like that
i had to eat that day..
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I had three children that I had to
feed, and that's how things were.
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And money was important
to pay the rent.
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And so I did what they did
and the rest.
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I got, uh.. a Fender guitar
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and I put 9-strings on her,
of the ones you do
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get up, get out of here
as far as the Evros.
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And I heard some of
those who played them
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and rock groups, up to
to get to play them
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better than the
they were playing.
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The first-first job that
I did at Disney,
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we got there at a quarter to twelve
and all the costumes
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They were leaving. And we sit
everyone over there and
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it makes us a mess,
type, "Ladies and Gentlemen,
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we brought you here, because
in this particular film
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we'll put some..
A little of yours..
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your rock and roll music."
- "Your rock and roll music"?
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-"It's her"... Yes.
"We have this little scene..."
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- This always happens to me.
- "...and we will show it to you
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And it was a small, short one
scene. So he says,
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"We have you all
music written.
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It's in front of you.
And itwill
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we do what we say
"with a metronome"
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As if we didn't know
what's wrong with us
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"We'll play it
too late, then
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may you all learn, study
and memorize the music."
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And then he says, "Mary Anne,
set the metronome very slow."
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And she accidentally steps on it
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and the moment we listen
eight clicks
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ding-ding-ding-ding-ding-
ding-ding-ding, we're in.
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And we play it, from her
beginning to end.
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And when we finished,
says the guy,
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"But how the..
I mean, you did it perfectly.
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I wish we had it."
- "Let's get it."
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"How the hell
did you do that?"
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And Tommy says, "Hey, baby..
we study a lot, during the day."
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- It was perfect, because
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they thought we were
complete idiots.
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- I mean, it was incredible.
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The most music
and.. the money,
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I accidentally said -
but it's true -
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came from the building
Brill, in New York.
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It was based in New York,
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the writers, the singers,
the musicians.
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The music industry
was in new york
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dot and dash,
in that period.
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- Master "A," first take.
- Let's go, let's write.
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E.g. Chess Records
in Cincinnati.
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But maybe there was
just a guitarist,
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a bass player,
a pianist,
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so it could be delayed
by that one or two players.
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Whereas, they could
to come to LA
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and.. it didn't matter
if they took
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10 or 12 different ones
guitarists,
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all of them were
equally good
318
00:15:11,544 --> 00:15:12,844
to do this
that they wanted to be done.
319
00:15:12,845 --> 00:15:14,675
Plus they had more
studio over here.
320
00:15:14,680 --> 00:15:17,850
Many musicians who
were located east,
321
00:15:17,850 --> 00:15:20,150
and in Nashville, many
they came over here
322
00:15:20,153 --> 00:15:21,893
to find glory and money.
323
00:15:21,888 --> 00:15:23,648
It was a place
unexploited
324
00:15:23,656 --> 00:15:25,586
and for young artists
to record
325
00:15:25,591 --> 00:15:28,000
Lee Hazlewood told me
that he went back to New York
326
00:15:28,001 --> 00:15:30,157
for a recording and
and it goes to a guy,
327
00:15:30,163 --> 00:15:32,000
to the guitarist and tells him,
328
00:15:31,001 --> 00:15:33,761
“Hey, you can play me
a little this here?"
329
00:15:33,765 --> 00:15:35,225
And the guy says,
"write it my"
330
00:15:35,234 --> 00:15:36,904
And the guy just refused
331
00:15:36,903 --> 00:15:39,943
to experiment, to try.
If it wasn't written that is,
332
00:15:39,939 --> 00:15:42,039
he wasn't playing it.
You had new musicians
333
00:15:42,041 --> 00:15:43,311
who were willing to
contribute
334
00:15:43,309 --> 00:15:44,879
and think of ideas, you know,
335
00:15:44,877 --> 00:15:47,407
and I think that
that was the difference.
336
00:15:47,413 --> 00:15:48,853
I don't think so
it's a secret.
337
00:15:48,848 --> 00:15:52,348
The 60s, everyone
the musicians headed west.
338
00:15:52,351 --> 00:15:54,291
L.A. was the place
where you wanted to be
339
00:15:54,287 --> 00:15:58,457
If you wanted the best, it was
all here in los angeles.
340
00:16:08,201 --> 00:16:10,631
He was more raw,
relaxed sound
341
00:16:10,636 --> 00:16:12,736
from the one who was coming out
from New York,
342
00:16:12,738 --> 00:16:14,768
and it has a lot to do with it, I guess
with the musicians
343
00:16:14,774 --> 00:16:17,744
that we used, why
they were fresh in kind.
344
00:16:28,254 --> 00:16:29,824
- Hal, you started surfing
345
00:16:29,822 --> 00:16:35,062
and Earl started double time,
you know, because we were playing..
346
00:16:40,032 --> 00:16:42,972
You know.. you know, we doubled it
and they were sweet.
347
00:16:42,969 --> 00:16:46,769
Yes, it was kind of like with her
east coast and west coast jazz.
348
00:16:46,772 --> 00:16:48,872
It really existed
distinct difference.
349
00:16:48,875 --> 00:16:51,775
And.. in those years,
the record producers
350
00:16:51,777 --> 00:16:53,437
they chose the west coast.
- Yes,
351
00:16:53,446 --> 00:16:55,606
and the successes began
to get out of here.
352
00:17:01,687 --> 00:17:03,047
Here they started to
are turned
353
00:17:03,055 --> 00:17:05,055
youth films. Everyone
they wanted to be surfers.
354
00:17:05,057 --> 00:17:06,857
Whether you were white or
black, or alive
355
00:17:06,859 --> 00:17:08,829
in the middle of the desert, you wanted
a surfboard.
356
00:17:08,828 --> 00:17:10,658
It was crazy.
And with her
357
00:17:10,663 --> 00:17:13,703
came the youth music
and was created here.
358
00:17:13,699 --> 00:17:18,969
Sea apparitions everywhere and fans
of art, pleasing to the eye.
359
00:17:18,971 --> 00:17:22,311
Here is heaven for
thousands of sun worshippers,
360
00:17:22,308 --> 00:17:24,778
Californians by birth
or by choice.
361
00:17:24,777 --> 00:17:28,377
I remember the perfumed air,
the evening primrose,
362
00:17:28,381 --> 00:17:30,481
and all the plants that
grow in
363
00:17:30,483 --> 00:17:34,293
Southern California, and how much
everything was dreamy.
364
00:17:34,287 --> 00:17:35,787
It was the sound of
Beach Boys
365
00:17:35,788 --> 00:17:39,158
which was somewhat straying from
every house,
366
00:17:39,158 --> 00:17:42,088
you know, about the same record
which was just repeated,
367
00:17:42,094 --> 00:17:44,534
and the idea that,
"Hey, is this true,
368
00:17:44,530 --> 00:17:47,530
that's the culture here
this beach fashion.".
369
00:17:47,533 --> 00:17:50,703
- The Beach Boys!
370
00:17:50,703 --> 00:17:52,273
Thank you very much.
371
00:17:52,271 --> 00:17:54,641
We would like this moment, yes
we show you how the Beach Boys
372
00:17:54,640 --> 00:17:56,510
they make a record.
373
00:17:56,509 --> 00:17:59,209
We start with Denny Wilson
on the drums...
374
00:18:03,916 --> 00:18:07,376
...followed by Al Jardine
on rhythm guitar...
375
00:18:11,591 --> 00:18:14,691
...who is helped by
Carl "lead guitarist" Wilson...
376
00:18:19,031 --> 00:18:21,271
...and it fills orchestral
our leader
377
00:18:21,267 --> 00:18:23,497
Brian Wilson on bass.
378
00:18:28,975 --> 00:18:31,835
When we're ready to sing,
we come to the microphones
379
00:18:31,844 --> 00:18:33,544
and something like this comes out.
380
00:18:46,925 --> 00:18:48,585
I went to Gold Star,
381
00:18:48,594 --> 00:18:52,004
and I met the beloved
of musicians, Phil Spector,
382
00:18:51,998 --> 00:18:55,598
And immediately I put him
Steve Douglas to close,
383
00:18:55,601 --> 00:18:57,101
you know the only ones..-
They are called permanent,
384
00:18:57,103 --> 00:18:59,743
the Wrecking Crew.
And he started closing them
385
00:18:59,739 --> 00:19:01,739
for me, in my studio
in Western.
386
00:19:01,741 --> 00:19:04,141
The session musicians were coming
from the producers
387
00:19:04,143 --> 00:19:07,043
00:21:35,687
George Martin told me that the
Sgt. Pepper was an attempt..
440
00:21:35,694 --> 00:21:38,134
An attempt to
reach Pet Sounds.
441
00:21:38,130 --> 00:21:42,000
It was a disc with
incredible influence,
442
00:21:42,001 --> 00:21:44,431
and I think he had one
electromagnetic field.
443
00:21:44,436 --> 00:21:48,766
And people were drawn here,
and they wanted to be a part of it,
444
00:21:48,774 --> 00:21:50,544
And they wanted to make records
like him.
445
00:21:50,543 --> 00:21:53,913
Good Vibrations, must
we did 25, 30 recordings.
446
00:21:53,913 --> 00:21:55,553
- It might have been necessary
six months to be done.
447
00:21:55,548 --> 00:21:57,178
- Some days we worked
five minutes.
448
00:21:57,183 --> 00:22:00,053
- Some days, 4 hours.
- Yes.
449
00:22:00,052 --> 00:22:02,392
- In the same piece.
- We were just.. experimenting.
450
00:22:02,388 --> 00:22:04,500
And they asked me,
"So what do you want?"
451
00:22:04,501 --> 00:22:05,856
And I was like, "Hey, I don't know," you know.
452
00:22:05,858 --> 00:22:07,458
and we were going home, and her
next time we meet
453
00:22:07,459 --> 00:22:09,689
then we were also tuning in
we were making it.
454
00:22:09,695 --> 00:22:13,255
Three months, two
three times a week,
455
00:22:13,265 --> 00:22:15,595
but Capitol Records
was paying the bill.
456
00:22:15,601 --> 00:22:17,171
And we liked to
we work for him.
457
00:22:17,169 --> 00:22:18,980
We said, "You're on
recording
458
00:22:18,981 --> 00:22:20,104
with Brian Wilson tomorrow?"
459
00:22:20,105 --> 00:22:21,665
"Yes, I am."
"Oh nice"
460
00:22:21,674 --> 00:22:23,744
Carol played in the
Good Vibrations
461
00:22:23,742 --> 00:22:26,612
and in California Girls,
and it was, somehow,
462
00:22:26,612 --> 00:22:27,912
the star of the phase.
I mean, it was
463
00:22:27,913 --> 00:22:30,153
the best bassist
in the world.
464
00:22:30,149 --> 00:22:31,849
And he was way ahead
since her time.
465
00:22:31,851 --> 00:22:33,651
He was playing tonic in a 5th
466
00:22:33,652 --> 00:22:35,952
or in a 3rd instead of
on the 5th, you know.
467
00:22:35,955 --> 00:22:37,045
He was one of the first
bassists who
468
00:22:37,056 --> 00:22:38,686
started playing like this.
469
00:22:38,691 --> 00:22:41,431
But he certainly wrote
some very serious basslines
470
00:22:41,427 --> 00:22:42,927
such as, for example:
471
00:22:44,597 --> 00:22:45,857
I would never play that.
472
00:22:52,071 --> 00:22:53,501
I'll go for it..
473
00:22:59,612 --> 00:23:01,652
This is jazz
walking line.
474
00:23:01,647 --> 00:23:05,247
You knew this lad had
something very, very great.
475
00:23:05,251 --> 00:23:08,521
The room had an atmosphere,
with Hal the leader,
476
00:23:08,520 --> 00:23:09,920
you know, and all the kids
477
00:23:09,922 --> 00:23:11,422
to work together, yes
they are bored even playing.
478
00:23:11,423 --> 00:23:13,823
Something arrived as he wanted
to hear it.
479
00:23:13,826 --> 00:23:16,156
And when this was happening,
it was good.
480
00:23:16,161 --> 00:23:18,861
When I heard Good Vibrations
first time on the radio
481
00:23:18,864 --> 00:23:20,434
I was just speechless.
482
00:23:47,859 --> 00:23:49,789
Now.
483
00:23:49,795 --> 00:23:51,425
Very nice.
484
00:23:51,430 --> 00:23:53,460
- But I remember Carol.
I still remember it
485
00:23:53,465 --> 00:23:56,999
because her favorite, whatever
day even if we went after that
486
00:23:57,000 --> 00:23:59,838
"Would you like me to use
the pen of the Beach Boys?"
487
00:23:59,838 --> 00:24:03,198
And so.. he impressed everyone..
With her here...
488
00:24:03,475 --> 00:24:05,075
- Which he had taken
going to the studio.
489
00:24:05,077 --> 00:24:06,537
- And everyone was looking
the pen,
490
00:24:06,545 --> 00:24:08,505
and they were looking at her too.
- You have to sell her,
491
00:24:08,514 --> 00:24:10,054
you know
- Sell that shit,
492
00:24:10,049 --> 00:24:12,679
like crazy. A small one
pena did this girl
493
00:24:12,685 --> 00:24:15,045
make hundreds
thousands of dollars.
494
00:24:28,099 --> 00:24:30,169
I was very jealous of the guitar
495
00:24:30,169 --> 00:24:32,439
when we started dating
and we got engaged
496
00:24:32,438 --> 00:24:36,568
and gave much more
importance on the guitar, I felt.
497
00:24:36,575 --> 00:24:40,135
So I gave him an ultimatum,
"The Guitar or Me"
498
00:24:40,145 --> 00:24:44,405
And he said to me, "My love,
the guitar has no legs
499
00:24:44,416 --> 00:24:45,916
you have."
500
00:24:45,918 --> 00:24:48,118
I got so angry
where i got my ring
501
00:24:48,120 --> 00:24:51,050
and I threw it to him.
502
00:24:51,056 --> 00:24:52,516
And then I went to find it.
503
00:24:52,524 --> 00:24:54,424
And I started late in life.
504
00:24:54,426 --> 00:24:57,186
I was not one of those who
you read in books
505
00:24:57,196 --> 00:25:00,000
You know, you read articles on
Guitar Player, and the guy says
506
00:25:00,065 --> 00:25:01,765
"Well, when I was 12 years old,
507
00:25:01,767 --> 00:25:04,467
I had deer heads,
and something like that, you know"
508
00:25:06,372 --> 00:25:08,972
Me when I was 12 years old
anyway i was playing gigillions
509
00:25:08,974 --> 00:25:11,344
you know.. And when I was 24
510
00:25:11,343 --> 00:25:13,583
I worked at Douglas Aircraft,
you know, moving boxes,
511
00:25:13,579 --> 00:25:15,879
and I was trying to play the guitar.
512
00:25:15,881 --> 00:25:18,381
I was 24, still fighting
something like this:
513
00:25:18,384 --> 00:25:21,284
"Wow, I'm in 7th place."
514
00:25:21,286 --> 00:25:23,186
And finally I had learned
a gamut chord.
515
00:25:23,188 --> 00:25:25,588
-Wow!
516
00:25:25,591 --> 00:25:29,961
So I'm not one of them
the types you read.
517
00:25:29,962 --> 00:25:32,462
We went to the dance
and Ralph Marterie's
518
00:25:32,464 --> 00:25:34,634
would play. We learned that
519
00:25:34,633 --> 00:25:37,873
their guitarist will
was leaving that night.
520
00:25:37,870 --> 00:25:40,270
And so he did a test,
audition,
521
00:25:40,272 --> 00:25:42,472
and they hired him on the spot.
522
00:25:42,474 --> 00:25:44,674
It was Friday night,
and Saturday's night
523
00:25:44,676 --> 00:25:46,076
left for New York.
524
00:25:56,788 --> 00:26:00,458
- Tell the truth.
- OK, you have to let me go.
525
00:26:03,295 --> 00:26:08,025
Marterie would take one
guitarist-singer,
526
00:26:08,033 --> 00:26:11,503
to pay
only one person.
527
00:26:11,503 --> 00:26:13,943
He decided he knew that
there's nothing there
528
00:26:13,939 --> 00:26:16,039
in Niagara Falls for him.
529
00:26:16,041 --> 00:26:19,111
He wanted to go to
California to play.
530
00:26:19,111 --> 00:26:21,711
While my father was struggling to
get a job as a guitarist,
531
00:26:21,713 --> 00:26:24,383
he had to make ends meet
working in a warehouse.
532
00:26:24,383 --> 00:26:27,083
She always said she was the
best job he ever had.
533
00:26:27,086 --> 00:26:30,186
00:26:39,496
So, after seven
months of struggle over here,
537
00:26:39,498 --> 00:26:43,428
dad wanted us to go back
and I said, "No way,"
538
00:26:43,435 --> 00:26:45,995
because I would not submit
to those two guys.
539
00:26:47,573 --> 00:26:51,213
And that's why dad said,
"My Stubborn Sicilian Wife"
540
00:26:51,210 --> 00:26:55,000
Actually, the woman
he supported me 100%,
541
00:26:55,001 --> 00:26:57,850
all the time I was working. It was..:
"You go on tour."
542
00:26:57,850 --> 00:26:59,720
She worked, she earned
phone calls,
543
00:26:59,718 --> 00:27:01,248
no.. he never complained.
544
00:27:01,253 --> 00:27:03,853
I was coming home at 11, 10.
545
00:27:03,856 --> 00:27:05,456
I saw my children whenever.
546
00:27:05,457 --> 00:27:08,157
My wife accepted it,
this was our life
547
00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:10,530
our whole family
he accepted it as it was.
548
00:27:10,529 --> 00:27:12,299
Every now and then, the woman
some musician
549
00:27:12,297 --> 00:27:14,057
he used to come and complain to her
550
00:27:14,066 --> 00:27:15,796
and she was talking to them.
551
00:27:15,801 --> 00:27:17,371
He was saying, “Look, her
it's his life."
552
00:27:17,369 --> 00:27:20,169
- Well, probably Carmy didn't speak
never to Barbara the Barbarian.
553
00:27:20,172 --> 00:27:23,072
Hahaha..
554
00:27:23,075 --> 00:27:25,075
00:27:26,477
to do a job:
556
00:27:26,478 --> 00:27:28,948
for the money
for everything
557
00:27:28,947 --> 00:27:31,447
for the experience,
or just because you like it."
558
00:27:31,450 --> 00:27:34,080
I have to tell you a story
for your father
559
00:27:34,086 --> 00:27:36,216
We were in Western studio 3
560
00:27:36,221 --> 00:27:39,121
And Jan Berry
of Jan and Dean,
561
00:27:39,124 --> 00:27:41,324
gives the count, "All
ready? Yes. OK"
562
00:27:41,326 --> 00:27:44,296
Tedesco begins to play,
563
00:27:46,899 --> 00:27:49,629
and Jan says, "Stop, wait."
And he goes there and looks,
564
00:27:49,635 --> 00:27:51,665
and tells him, "Tedesco,
what are you doing?"
565
00:27:51,670 --> 00:27:52,940
He.. Tommy..
566
00:27:52,938 --> 00:27:54,198
The score was upside down,
567
00:27:54,206 --> 00:27:56,136
and Tommy was reading it backwards.
568
00:27:56,141 --> 00:27:57,541
This is a true story,
569
00:27:57,543 --> 00:27:59,743
but we are talking about a lot of laughter.
570
00:27:59,745 --> 00:28:01,235
Tommy was very funny.
571
00:28:16,728 --> 00:28:18,058
Wait, cut it.
572
00:28:19,731 --> 00:28:21,631
There was an action that
was created by Phillip.
573
00:28:21,633 --> 00:28:25,743
I remember, Phillip was so
excited at every recording.
574
00:28:25,737 --> 00:28:29,567
There was so much vibrancy in it
hall, which...
575
00:28:29,575 --> 00:28:31,205
that lifted you up.
576
00:28:31,210 --> 00:28:32,900
And there were so many
many musicians
577
00:28:32,901 --> 00:28:34,614
and the sound was huge.
578
00:28:34,613 --> 00:28:38,223
And, it sure was..
the wall of sound, was..
579
00:28:38,217 --> 00:28:39,277
It really existed.
580
00:28:39,284 --> 00:28:42,420
I never entered the studio
and be different people
581
00:28:42,421 --> 00:28:44,021
they were always the same kids.
582
00:29:00,906 --> 00:29:04,006
The "wall of sound" was the
Gold Star's echo chamber,
583
00:29:04,009 --> 00:29:05,439
mainly.
- In the first place, there were
584
00:29:05,444 --> 00:29:07,314
wall to wall musicians
- Yes, it's true.
585
00:29:07,312 --> 00:29:10,182
- Most used
a 4 person rhythm section.
586
00:29:10,182 --> 00:29:13,522
He had 4 guitars, or 6, or 7.
587
00:29:13,518 --> 00:29:15,248
There were always 4 pianos,
588
00:29:15,254 --> 00:29:18,464
a double bass,
a Fender bass.
589
00:29:18,457 --> 00:29:21,157
I mean, it usually was
only one set of drums.
590
00:29:21,159 --> 00:29:24,029
15 people were playing percussion.
591
00:29:24,029 --> 00:29:25,629
- In a very small room.
- Yes.
592
00:29:25,631 --> 00:29:27,161
- Maybe not small, but average.
593
00:29:27,165 --> 00:29:29,725
- And a huge chamber for
the echo, for whom
594
00:29:29,735 --> 00:29:31,965
Gold Star was famous.
This was the wall of sound.
595
00:29:31,970 --> 00:29:33,200
- Ceramic walls.
596
00:29:33,205 --> 00:29:35,265
- One, two, three.
597
00:29:42,514 --> 00:29:44,254
- Nice.
- The wall of sound
598
00:29:44,249 --> 00:29:47,349
Phil Spector's is more
like a lost feeling.
599
00:29:47,352 --> 00:29:50,422
it's thick in You've Lost
That Lovin' Feelin',
600
00:29:50,422 --> 00:29:53,292
and it was.. He was using
i hear her so much
601
00:29:53,292 --> 00:29:55,192
and was swimming all the time.
602
00:29:55,193 --> 00:29:57,263
Despite the reflectors,
we were all going through thes
603
00:29:57,262 --> 00:30:00,032
each other's microphones,
enough to give him
604
00:30:00,032 --> 00:30:04,332
the combination of this leakage,
of the echo, plus our fatigue.
605
00:30:04,336 --> 00:30:06,536
You are already on the 30th take
tired, you know.
606
00:30:06,538 --> 00:30:10,538
So, he had a true feeling
relaxation in his successes.
607
00:30:22,087 --> 00:30:24,987
- It is the most played
piece of all time.
608
00:30:24,990 --> 00:30:26,190
- But, I believe so, yes.
609
00:30:26,191 --> 00:30:28,091
- The most played record
of all times.
610
00:30:28,093 --> 00:30:30,563
They were the sound that
Phillip had.
611
00:30:30,562 --> 00:30:32,462
Phillip was also very,
very prudent,
612
00:30:32,464 --> 00:30:33,964
and no..
He wanted them,
613
00:30:33,965 --> 00:30:35,925
and always wanted these
the kids, you know.
614
00:30:35,934 --> 00:30:39,704
He only felt safe when
he was playing with these kids.
615
00:30:39,705 --> 00:30:42,405
- The same musicians, the same sound engineers,
same studio,
616
00:30:42,407 --> 00:30:44,967
the same, perhaps, brand of film.
617
00:30:44,976 --> 00:30:47,606
- Yes, probably.
- Erm..
618
00:30:47,612 --> 00:30:50,852
- It was just a thing
that stuck to him, that
619
00:30:50,849 --> 00:30:53,849
if he didn't do it that way,
it would not be a success.
620
00:30:53,852 --> 00:30:56,292
- And he was probably right.
- I guess he was right.
621
00:30:56,288 --> 00:30:58,788
And we are grateful for that.
622
00:30:58,790 --> 00:31:00,520
Sol short week.
623
00:31:00,525 --> 00:31:02,485
You know, Phillip was marching on
a different universe,
624
00:31:02,494 --> 00:31:05,804
from everyone else. So,
in his own mind, it was all him,
625
00:31:05,797 --> 00:31:07,657
you know, the kids were too
only of some kind
626
00:31:07,666 --> 00:31:10,166
extension of those not
he could do himself.
627
00:31:10,168 --> 00:31:14,898
Phil never wrote anything
the first 3 hours.
628
00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:19,400
That is, he taught them
so much so that in the end
629
00:31:19,411 --> 00:31:22,481
they did not play individually.
They were very tired.
630
00:31:22,481 --> 00:31:25,851
And so they just melted away
inside this...
631
00:31:25,851 --> 00:31:27,681
the wall of sound.
632
00:31:27,686 --> 00:31:30,746
Phil was pushing Howard
very, very
633
00:31:30,756 --> 00:31:35,156
on how to play, and
insisted again and again.
634
00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:36,760
And he was not satisfied,
or something like that
635
00:31:36,762 --> 00:31:39,862
and made him play it again,
and again and again
636
00:31:39,865 --> 00:31:41,595
and again, whole hours,
637
00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:46,440
until Howard's hands
they were in excruciating pain.
638
00:31:46,438 --> 00:31:48,568
"No, no, no, like that."
And Howard says,
639
00:31:48,574 --> 00:31:52,300
"Look, my man, if
I can't play it myself
640
00:31:52,301 --> 00:31:54,484
and you know how it is
why don't you play it?"
641
00:31:54,479 --> 00:31:57,049
Howard Robert is the
the only one I saw
642
00:31:57,048 --> 00:31:59,378
never leave recording,
643
00:31:59,384 --> 00:32:01,754
that is, he left the
always down
644
00:32:01,753 --> 00:32:04,553
took the guitar and him
amplifier of
645
00:32:04,556 --> 00:32:06,816
and left. He said: "Enough"
646
00:32:06,825 --> 00:32:09,755
He was very demanding. I don't
I had no problem with Phil,
647
00:32:09,761 --> 00:32:12,431
I imagine, because he knew, that
I always knew too
648
00:32:12,431 --> 00:32:14,361
that I wasn't the original drummer,
649
00:32:14,366 --> 00:32:16,226
because if I had a problem,
I would leave.
650
00:32:16,234 --> 00:32:17,734
Who would he take?
651
00:32:17,736 --> 00:32:19,866
He already had, you know,
argue with Al,
652
00:32:19,871 --> 00:32:21,471
maybe Al will
don't come back.
653
00:32:21,473 --> 00:32:24,913
So.. so the
we were doing well.
654
00:32:24,910 --> 00:32:27,280
They made fun of him all the time
but they liked him a lot.
655
00:32:27,512 --> 00:32:29,052
I think they really respected him.
656
00:32:29,047 --> 00:32:30,907
They thought he was crazy,
which, of course, was
657
00:32:30,916 --> 00:32:32,946
but I think always
they were looking forward
658
00:32:32,951 --> 00:32:35,621
because it always would
something very cool.
659
00:32:35,620 --> 00:32:37,250
It was also completely friendly,
660
00:32:37,255 --> 00:32:39,155
because they were coming in and
they said, you know..
661
00:32:39,157 --> 00:32:40,887
"How did you do at golf?"
662
00:32:40,892 --> 00:32:43,332
or, you know, someone had it
such and such a car etc..
663
00:32:43,328 --> 00:32:44,858
There was always one
Mad,magazine
664
00:32:44,863 --> 00:32:47,363
who was going around, someone
he was bringing it, you know.
665
00:32:48,867 --> 00:32:50,927
I admired them so much because of it
by Phil Spector, who..
666
00:32:50,936 --> 00:32:52,466
it took a couple of times,
until I get used to it,
667
00:32:52,471 --> 00:32:54,201
you know, to be with the kids.
668
00:32:54,206 --> 00:32:56,500
- Some memory of Be My Baby
the first time you heard it?
669
00:32:56,501 --> 00:32:58,811
- Ah.. I stopped my car
on the side of the road
670
00:32:58,810 --> 00:33:01,040
and I'm like, "What am I hearing?", you know..
671
00:33:01,046 --> 00:33:02,646
I couldn't believe it.
672
00:33:02,647 --> 00:33:04,447
I immediately wrote it
Don't Worry Baby
673
00:33:04,449 --> 00:33:05,919
after that. Yes.
674
00:33:05,917 --> 00:33:08,617
I was so inspired.
I didn't believe it.
675
00:33:46,491 --> 00:33:49,531
When we got to
River deep - Mountain High,
676
00:33:49,528 --> 00:33:51,900
we all thought it would
huge success.
677
00:33:51,901 --> 00:33:54,260
It was another hit
of the wall of sound,
678
00:33:54,266 --> 00:33:55,896
but it went down.
679
00:33:55,901 --> 00:33:59,271
It was a great success
in England, but in the US,
680
00:33:59,271 --> 00:34:01,071
it was his first failure.
681
00:34:01,072 --> 00:34:04,612
And he says, “OK, this one
style is leaving.
682
00:34:04,609 --> 00:34:06,779
The wall of sound
it's over then."
683
00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:11,610
- One of the boys.
One of the boys.
684
00:34:11,616 --> 00:34:12,976
- One of the children, yes.
685
00:34:12,984 --> 00:34:15,600
- If the lawsuits were played then
for sexual harassment,
686
00:34:15,601 --> 00:34:17,723
now they would be seven millionaires,
687
00:34:17,722 --> 00:34:19,222
.. after what he told her
we made him endure.
688
00:34:19,224 --> 00:34:21,494
He will have the lawyers of the world
to work for... against us.
689
00:34:22,727 --> 00:34:24,827
- I don't think anyone
he saw her as
690
00:34:24,829 --> 00:34:27,800
woman-woman, and no
I mean that in a bad way.
691
00:34:27,801 --> 00:34:29,665
- No, we were musicians.
- Yes
692
00:34:29,668 --> 00:34:31,598
Everything was music..
music, really.
693
00:34:31,603 --> 00:34:32,773
- Yes.
- Worse than that
694
00:34:32,771 --> 00:34:35,511
it would be... if we closed it
on the outside
695
00:34:35,507 --> 00:34:37,567
and we didn't share
the camaraderie.
696
00:34:37,576 --> 00:34:44,306
Mission Impossible
(topic)
697
00:34:49,119 --> 00:34:51,389
And that's all
i had to mutate
698
00:34:51,389 --> 00:34:52,989
to bring out the treble.
699
00:34:55,226 --> 00:34:57,156
So you hear it.
- Yes.
700
00:34:57,162 --> 00:34:58,932
- Anyway, that's what I did, yes.
701
00:34:58,930 --> 00:35:01,660
And Earl Palmer is playing
to the drums on this one.
702
00:35:01,666 --> 00:35:03,966
I was listening to music small
703
00:35:03,969 --> 00:35:06,500
because my mother was
professional pianist.
704
00:35:06,501 --> 00:35:08,938
He was playing from behind, at
silent cinema.
705
00:35:08,940 --> 00:35:10,870
My father was too
trombonist.
706
00:35:10,875 --> 00:35:13,435
He played in Dixieland bands,
such things.
707
00:35:13,445 --> 00:35:15,035
So I listened to music all the time.
708
00:35:15,046 --> 00:35:16,946
If they weren't arguing, they were playing music.
709
00:35:16,948 --> 00:35:19,278
So you know.. you knew from
which originates.
710
00:35:21,319 --> 00:35:24,219
My mother and I lived
in a complex of houses.
711
00:35:24,222 --> 00:35:25,822
But my mom was saving money
712
00:35:25,824 --> 00:35:28,024
and a salesman appeared
electric guitar
713
00:35:28,026 --> 00:35:31,186
With three or four courses
for ten dollars.
714
00:35:31,196 --> 00:35:34,326
So he accepted it.
And I was about 13 then.
715
00:35:34,332 --> 00:35:38,002
At that time, I roughly started
to take jobs with the guitar.
716
00:35:40,805 --> 00:35:42,165
And some Latin things.
717
00:35:42,173 --> 00:35:44,573
So it was very nice
experience, you know...
718
00:35:48,446 --> 00:35:50,506
.. these things,
heavy jazz.
719
00:35:50,515 --> 00:35:52,645
And it was fun,
and I played a lot
720
00:35:52,651 --> 00:35:53,951
in the black clubs.
721
00:35:53,952 --> 00:35:55,752
And they were very accepting of me,
by the way.
722
00:35:55,754 --> 00:35:57,594
I had made up a name.
723
00:35:57,589 --> 00:35:59,959
There were many women
who played jazz
724
00:35:59,958 --> 00:36:02,188
and it was in theirs
pop bands,
725
00:36:02,193 --> 00:36:03,833
So, it wasn't that much
unusual.
726
00:36:03,828 --> 00:36:06,798
But most women
at that time, in the '50s,
727
00:36:06,798 --> 00:36:09,068
they played until they got married.
728
00:36:09,067 --> 00:36:13,267
It was more important to have it
"Ma" in front of your name
729
00:36:13,271 --> 00:36:14,771
rather than having a career.
730
00:36:28,086 --> 00:36:29,886
Then came the opportunity to
work in a studio
731
00:36:29,888 --> 00:36:32,388
at the end of 1957
for Sam Cooke.
732
00:36:32,390 --> 00:36:33,620
I had never heard before
Sam Cooke,
733
00:36:33,625 --> 00:36:35,215
but they missed it
a guitarist.
734
00:36:35,226 --> 00:36:38,056
I just did my first one
work with Sam Cooke,
735
00:36:38,063 --> 00:36:40,903
made more money
in 3 hours, of alls
736
00:36:40,899 --> 00:36:43,029
I've been out all week,
with my day job.
737
00:36:43,034 --> 00:36:45,204
Only they had more
from two days a week.
738
00:36:45,203 --> 00:36:48,073
They especially wanted our sinafi
739
00:36:48,073 --> 00:36:53,683
to write discs
of success, because we became good.
740
00:36:53,678 --> 00:36:56,808
Ray Pohlman had a great sound.
741
00:36:56,815 --> 00:36:59,445
It was the first electric
bassist.
742
00:36:59,451 --> 00:37:01,381
played on hits from
in '57 onwards, approx.
743
00:37:01,386 --> 00:37:04,786
I'd say maybe he did
85% of successes.
744
00:37:04,789 --> 00:37:07,659
But Ray Pohlman did
his conductor
745
00:37:07,659 --> 00:37:09,750
Shindig show, approx
same time I entered
746
00:37:09,751 --> 00:37:13,704
me accidentally on the bass,
so there was a big gap.
747
00:37:13,698 --> 00:37:15,798
People ask me all the time
that I was a woman
748
00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:17,130
in a world of men.
749
00:37:17,135 --> 00:37:19,295
I felt equal to
the rest of the children,
750
00:37:19,304 --> 00:37:20,504
they felt the same way.
751
00:37:20,505 --> 00:37:22,265
Sometimes it can
were getting a little tricky.
752
00:37:22,273 --> 00:37:24,243
They were like, "Oh, you're playing well
for a girl, Carol.”
753
00:37:24,242 --> 00:37:26,082
"Yeah, you're fine too
you play for a man."
754
00:37:26,077 --> 00:37:28,777
I love musicians
and humor
755
00:37:28,780 --> 00:37:31,080
and the way they play.
And everyone knew it.
756
00:37:31,082 --> 00:37:33,182
And I think, it was like
the sister..
757
00:37:33,184 --> 00:37:35,154
as if they had a sister there.
758
00:37:35,153 --> 00:37:39,723
I had the two children and
my mother to feed, then.
759
00:37:39,724 --> 00:37:41,394
We did three, four
recordings during the day,
760
00:37:41,392 --> 00:37:44,962
and managed to get home
for dinner with the kids.
761
00:37:44,963 --> 00:37:46,833
That's all for it
which I regret, that
762
00:37:46,831 --> 00:37:48,231
I didn't spend more
time with children.
763
00:37:48,233 --> 00:37:51,473
But they were very well cared for,
764
00:37:51,469 --> 00:37:53,369
and they had a good life, you know.
765
00:37:53,371 --> 00:37:57,641
Most of the time..
it was ok.
766
00:37:59,444 --> 00:38:01,984
You know, after I looked it up
work calendar
767
00:38:01,980 --> 00:38:04,310
of my father, I realized
that it wasn't that much
768
00:38:04,315 --> 00:38:06,345
present, as I thought.
769
00:38:06,351 --> 00:38:10,351
But when he was home, he was
focused on his family.
770
00:38:21,498 --> 00:38:23,268
He was one of the few
studio musicians
771
00:38:23,268 --> 00:38:25,698
who had found a balance
in between the crazy schedule
772
00:38:25,703 --> 00:38:28,403
and maintaining a relatively
decent family life.
773
00:38:28,406 --> 00:38:35,406
The truth is, no
I know how he did it.
774
00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:39,250
Time was money and
you wouldn't stay long
775
00:38:39,250 --> 00:38:44,650
in a studio, if not
you could follow
776
00:38:44,656 --> 00:38:46,600
The studio musicians
in this city
777
00:38:46,601 --> 00:38:48,964
they were admired
and respect.
778
00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:51,030
We were treated like...
779
00:38:51,029 --> 00:38:52,759
"Our lives depend on it
from you guys."
780
00:38:52,764 --> 00:38:54,134
Well, they were real
sessions.
781
00:38:54,132 --> 00:38:56,102
They were guys going
from gig to gig,
782
00:38:56,100 --> 00:38:58,230
you know, and they played in all of them
good music.
783
00:38:58,236 --> 00:39:00,936
My God, they were happening
so many things,
784
00:39:00,939 --> 00:39:02,869
and we were so busy.
785
00:39:02,874 --> 00:39:05,314
I mean, we were going from one
to the other and to the other
786
00:39:05,310 --> 00:39:10,410
Going from session to session
in session, we've called it
787
00:39:10,415 --> 00:39:11,545
"dovetailing."
(swallow-tail)
788
00:39:11,549 --> 00:39:14,151
God, when you leave
from home at 7 in the morning.
789
00:39:14,152 --> 00:39:16,252
and you're at Universal
at 9:00 to noon.
790
00:39:16,254 --> 00:39:18,454
You are now in the Capitol
Records at 1:00,
791
00:39:18,456 --> 00:39:20,116
as soon as you could
to arrive,
792
00:39:20,124 --> 00:39:22,364
and then you have one
commercial at 4:00,
793
00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:26,100
and then recording with
someone at 8:00,
794
00:39:26,097 --> 00:39:27,897
and then the Beach Boys
at midnight,
795
00:39:27,899 --> 00:39:29,869
and you do this
5 days a week..
796
00:39:29,868 --> 00:39:31,598
Hey man, you're on fire.
797
00:39:31,603 --> 00:39:33,143
Once, we made an album
798
00:39:33,137 --> 00:39:35,337
in a day for
Liberty Records.
799
00:39:35,340 --> 00:39:38,880
5 to 6 weeks in a row,
we used to write an album a day...
800
00:39:38,877 --> 00:39:41,577
six pieces in the morning,
six pieces in the afternoon.
801
00:39:41,579 --> 00:39:43,279
When we all realized
802
00:39:43,281 --> 00:39:45,281
that we did most of them
recordings, we said,
803
00:39:45,283 --> 00:39:48,723
"We will get the basic salary
or you will find others."
804
00:39:48,720 --> 00:39:50,850
And of course, they didn't find
805
00:39:50,855 --> 00:39:53,115
because it was the most
tight rhythm section
806
00:39:53,124 --> 00:39:54,824
I believe, that I have ever played.
807
00:40:39,671 --> 00:40:41,401
I didn't go into the studio
808
00:40:41,406 --> 00:40:45,936
if I didn't have Tommy Tedesco,
Hal Blaine,
809
00:40:45,944 --> 00:40:47,614
such people,
810
00:40:47,612 --> 00:40:50,652
I just wasn't getting into
studio until they are free.
811
00:40:50,648 --> 00:40:52,278
But they worked constantly.
812
00:40:52,283 --> 00:40:53,923
Whatever producer I worked with,
813
00:40:53,918 --> 00:40:56,648
whether it was Lee Hazlewood
or Snuff Garrett,
814
00:40:56,654 --> 00:40:58,294
everyone used
the same musicians.
815
00:40:58,289 --> 00:41:00,619
They were simply the best.
816
00:41:00,625 --> 00:41:03,285
If they couldn't find them,
they did not close a date.
817
00:41:03,294 --> 00:41:05,904
They waited until it was
children available.
818
00:41:05,897 --> 00:41:07,227
- Which was great.
819
00:41:07,231 --> 00:41:09,271
- Of course, their wives
they were never seen.
820
00:41:11,469 --> 00:41:13,769
I don't know if they could
to work more
821
00:41:13,771 --> 00:41:17,041
unless he didn't sleep at all.
822
00:41:17,041 --> 00:41:19,311
If you want to be successful
in this job
823
00:41:19,310 --> 00:41:22,080
you never say no, until you're too old
busy to say yes.
824
00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:24,310
And I learned this
seeing children
825
00:41:24,315 --> 00:41:26,945
who lost careers
by themselves
826
00:41:26,951 --> 00:41:29,351
saying, “Nah, no
it's good enough.
827
00:41:29,354 --> 00:41:31,624
I'll wait until so and so
and the and the."
828
00:41:31,622 --> 00:41:34,692
Because if you are waiting for your home to
the phone rings, it won't happen.
829
00:41:34,692 --> 00:41:36,632
If you are a freelancer
musician,
830
00:41:36,627 --> 00:41:38,557
you can't reject anything
831
00:41:38,563 --> 00:41:40,933
because there is someone who
standing right behind you
832
00:41:40,932 --> 00:41:43,902
that he is drooling to
take this job
833
00:41:43,901 --> 00:41:46,101
One day, I get a phone call
by Ernie Freeman.
834
00:41:46,104 --> 00:41:47,444
It was, say,
8:00 in the morning,
835
00:41:47,438 --> 00:41:51,208
"Hey Tom, I need a guitar player
over here at United.
836
00:41:51,209 --> 00:41:52,439
What time do you want to arrive?"
837
00:41:52,443 --> 00:41:54,013
I say, "20 minutes,"
where, you know
838
00:41:54,012 --> 00:41:55,312
they were lies. I wanted an hour.
839
00:41:55,313 --> 00:41:57,313
But after I agreed, I had to
840
00:41:57,315 --> 00:41:58,605
..to wait for me, right?
- Right.
841
00:41:58,616 --> 00:42:01,276
- I go there, I do the recording,
he likes it.
842
00:42:01,285 --> 00:42:02,945
And then he tells me,
"You won't believe it
843
00:42:02,954 --> 00:42:04,054
what Bill Pitman told me.
844
00:42:04,055 --> 00:42:05,955
I took Bill and asked,
845
00:42:05,957 --> 00:42:07,257
can you come
I'm stuck.
846
00:42:07,258 --> 00:42:09,088
At what time?
And says Bill.
847
00:42:09,093 --> 00:42:11,363
"Hey, I'm having breakfast. I will
finish in
848
00:42:11,362 --> 00:42:15,932
About 45 minutes and I'll be there
there in an hour."
849
00:42:15,933 --> 00:42:19,003
And whoever understood
never Bill Pitman
850
00:42:19,003 --> 00:42:22,643
he was typical Bill Pitman..
all straight, no thought.
851
00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:26,880
I'm the opposite, that is
"What is he doing to us right now?"
852
00:42:26,878 --> 00:42:28,238
And now it's time for
another take
853
00:42:28,246 --> 00:42:30,446
for probably one more
crazy success
854
00:42:30,448 --> 00:42:33,118
in the wonderful world
by Sonny and Cher.
855
00:42:33,117 --> 00:42:35,677
Sonny writes himself
most pieces
856
00:42:35,686 --> 00:42:37,486
together with Cher are recording.
857
00:42:37,488 --> 00:42:39,288
Musicians usually work
with the pair,
858
00:42:39,290 --> 00:42:42,590
and are excellent at
great view.
859
00:42:42,593 --> 00:42:45,393
Today they are recording
various songs
860
00:42:45,396 --> 00:42:47,126
which will constitute the
album called
861
00:42:47,131 --> 00:42:50,001
The Wondrous World
of Sonny and Cher,
862
00:42:50,001 --> 00:42:52,771
the 2nd album that
do together
863
00:42:52,770 --> 00:42:55,700
Now they are ready for recording.
864
00:42:55,706 --> 00:42:57,706
Sound engineer ready...
865
00:42:57,708 --> 00:43:00,008
and they shout, "1st take."
866
00:43:00,011 --> 00:43:01,811
- Have you ever felt scared?
from the children?
867
00:43:01,813 --> 00:43:03,313
- No, I was too dumb
and I didn't know.
868
00:43:03,314 --> 00:43:05,614
Well, I was kind of shy
with everyone.
869
00:43:05,616 --> 00:43:07,346
In the beginning, so was everyone
much older than me.
870
00:43:07,351 --> 00:43:08,881
I mean, the first one..
recording I went to
871
00:43:08,886 --> 00:43:10,916
I was 16 years old... and I didn't...
872
00:43:10,922 --> 00:43:12,462
I hadn't been in before
recording studio.
873
00:43:12,457 --> 00:43:13,987
You know, I was just trying
not to step somewhere
874
00:43:13,991 --> 00:43:15,261
which should not,
875
00:43:15,259 --> 00:43:16,859
that is, everywhere, as I thought.
876
00:43:16,861 --> 00:43:18,861
And they all knew each other
them and they were very relaxed.
877
00:43:18,863 --> 00:43:20,263
That is, everyone was very
good to me
878
00:43:20,264 --> 00:43:22,874
I think I didn't know
for a long time,
879
00:43:22,867 --> 00:43:24,297
how great they were.
880
00:43:24,302 --> 00:43:27,372
And then, when I met
other musicians,
881
00:43:27,371 --> 00:43:29,141
they asked me, you know
I went..
882
00:43:29,140 --> 00:43:34,440
If I was ever on a recording session
with any of the kids?
883
00:43:34,445 --> 00:43:37,075
There was a lot of honesty
on those discs
884
00:43:37,081 --> 00:43:38,751
and that is why many successes were made.
885
00:43:38,749 --> 00:43:41,949
When I was thinking in the musk,
i was thinking i'm a 13 year old
886
00:43:41,953 --> 00:43:44,023
trying to learn
to play music.
887
00:43:44,021 --> 00:43:45,451
Every time I played.
you know,
888
00:43:45,456 --> 00:43:46,686
were all these hits with..
889
00:43:46,691 --> 00:43:49,631
Marketts, Routers,
all these solos. And then,
890
00:43:49,627 --> 00:43:51,487
restored myself.
- Joking.
891
00:43:51,496 --> 00:43:53,756
I was like, “How would he play it
a child this,
892
00:43:53,764 --> 00:43:56,234
which is so stupid, which
he doesn't know what he's doing
893
00:43:56,234 --> 00:43:58,334
and was trying to play it?"
I did such shit,
894
00:43:58,336 --> 00:44:00,296
I didn't know what I was doing
risers,
895
00:44:00,304 --> 00:44:02,814
I didn't care, I didn't...
Awful, out of tune.
896
00:44:02,807 --> 00:44:04,167
- Yes.
- What song is this?
897
00:44:04,175 --> 00:44:05,735
- Beatles? (Beetles); Cockroaches?
- Some youth group.
898
00:44:05,743 --> 00:44:07,013
- I had no idea.
899
00:44:07,011 --> 00:44:08,341
I didn't know the names then.
900
00:44:08,346 --> 00:44:10,746
- My own feelings
for the music
901
00:44:10,748 --> 00:44:12,208
is that everything was great
902
00:44:12,216 --> 00:44:14,776
and I was making millions...
903
00:44:14,785 --> 00:44:16,345
period and dash.
904
00:44:16,354 --> 00:44:18,154
I didn't give a damn, though
Tommy liked it or not.
905
00:44:18,156 --> 00:44:19,586
I didn't do it for him.
906
00:44:19,590 --> 00:44:20,860
Like the artist.
907
00:44:20,858 --> 00:44:22,188
I also took it to Ser..
..she didn't like it?
908
00:44:22,193 --> 00:44:23,763
Well, I didn't make it for her
anyway.
909
00:44:23,761 --> 00:44:24,900
I did it to
people buy
910
00:44:24,901 --> 00:44:26,595
not for Sir to hear it.
911
00:44:26,597 --> 00:44:28,627
He never heard it again
Gypsys, Tramps and Thieves
912
00:44:28,633 --> 00:44:33,073
or any other disc
that I did with her.. Never again.
913
00:44:33,070 --> 00:44:34,900
It was the Diamond Ring.
914
00:44:34,906 --> 00:44:36,166
We cut the disc and I say,
915
00:44:36,174 --> 00:44:38,544
"Oh my god. I hate it."
916
00:44:38,543 --> 00:44:42,283
Two weeks later he was at
No10 or something like that.
917
00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:45,850
So I have to give it to him
of Snuff, in terms of..
918
00:44:45,850 --> 00:44:48,720
..of a special pop perception.
919
00:44:48,719 --> 00:44:52,959
He had her, but he wasn't
exactly to my taste.
920
00:44:52,957 --> 00:44:55,657
The music we recorded
in the 60s,
921
00:44:55,660 --> 00:44:59,230
no one thought he would
hold on, after 10 years.
922
00:44:59,230 --> 00:45:00,560
In fact, Bill Pitman says…
923
00:45:00,565 --> 00:45:03,265
We made a recording
chugga-chugga-chugga,
924
00:45:03,267 --> 00:45:05,697
and says, “You can
imagine the children
925
00:45:05,703 --> 00:45:07,703
to dance with the wives
them in 20 years from now,
926
00:45:07,705 --> 00:45:09,765
and say, "Honey,
are they playing our piece?"
927
00:45:09,774 --> 00:45:12,414
I remember coming home
a day after the recording,
928
00:45:12,410 --> 00:45:15,240
and it was one of these sessions
of three-chords.
929
00:45:15,246 --> 00:45:17,076
And when you sit over there,
playing rhythm guitar,
930
00:45:17,081 --> 00:45:18,451
there is not much to do.
931
00:45:18,449 --> 00:45:20,079
You just do it, you get it
money and you go home.
932
00:45:20,084 --> 00:45:22,424
And I remember where I came back too
I wasn't in a good mood.
933
00:45:22,420 --> 00:45:26,290
I say to my wife, “I could
to do this when I'm 14."
934
00:45:26,290 --> 00:45:29,260
And he tells me, "Yes, but no
just as well."
935
00:45:29,260 --> 00:45:31,490
I didn't really care
rock and roll music.
936
00:45:31,495 --> 00:45:33,555
I was basically
jazz drummer.
937
00:45:33,564 --> 00:45:35,634
But I realized that
I make a living.
938
00:45:35,633 --> 00:45:37,373
And if it is to continue to
I do, I have to
939
00:45:37,368 --> 00:45:39,438
to play like she is
my favorite music.
940
00:45:39,437 --> 00:45:41,667
It's not him
professionalism for me.
941
00:45:41,672 --> 00:45:44,212
is not subordinate,
if it sustains you.
942
00:45:44,208 --> 00:45:46,438
If subordinate,
don't play it.
943
00:45:46,444 --> 00:45:48,414
Actually
I was grateful
944
00:45:48,412 --> 00:45:50,482
because when I was listening to them
records on the radio,
945
00:45:50,481 --> 00:45:52,851
I understood, really how much
incredible sound
946
00:45:52,850 --> 00:45:55,580
had this group of people.
947
00:46:45,336 --> 00:46:46,596
We go to her
Capitol Records
948
00:46:46,604 --> 00:46:48,604
..right up here.
- Oh, indeed.
949
00:46:48,606 --> 00:46:50,766
- My God, the roads are
completely dissolved,
950
00:46:50,775 --> 00:46:52,035
unbelievable.
951
00:46:52,043 --> 00:46:53,643
Over here we did everything..
952
00:46:53,644 --> 00:46:55,384
you know, his records
Glen Campbell's
953
00:46:55,379 --> 00:46:58,979
and by Ray Anthony
and all of them, you say.
954
00:46:58,983 --> 00:47:01,753
Peggy Lee, Nat King Cole.
955
00:47:01,752 --> 00:47:04,222
We made everyone,
down in the bowels.
956
00:47:04,221 --> 00:47:06,291
Terrible.
957
00:47:06,290 --> 00:47:07,660
- Immediately we just entered
in those studios
958
00:47:07,658 --> 00:47:09,688
and we found that so
it was making a lot of money,
959
00:47:09,694 --> 00:47:12,364
it was, "Hey man, no need
to do tours.
960
00:47:12,363 --> 00:47:14,103
We can sit at home
with our children.", you know.
961
00:47:14,098 --> 00:47:15,858
- Unfortunately, I didn't.
962
00:47:15,866 --> 00:47:17,726
I went through six husbands.
963
00:47:19,370 --> 00:47:22,140
- Yes, but that was due
of your personality..
964
00:47:22,139 --> 00:47:23,809
...not of playing.
965
00:47:23,808 --> 00:47:27,808
- No, I had 2 important marriages
both disbanded
966
00:47:27,812 --> 00:47:30,382
because I was in the studio
too much.
967
00:47:30,381 --> 00:47:31,911
- I think, it is one very
difficult balance.
968
00:47:31,916 --> 00:47:33,246
- Yes, it was difficult.
969
00:47:35,119 --> 00:47:37,619
When I got out of the army,
I got my allowance,
970
00:47:37,621 --> 00:47:40,721
I went to Chicago, I went to one
percussion institute.
971
00:47:40,725 --> 00:47:43,025
I went to school approx
from 8 in the morning, until
972
00:47:43,027 --> 00:47:47,727
at 4 in the afternoon. And then
I played in strip clubs
973
00:47:47,732 --> 00:47:50,972
from about 8 in the evening
until 4 in the morning,
974
00:47:50,968 --> 00:47:52,598
which was a bit barbaric.
975
00:47:52,603 --> 00:47:56,443
But it was a great study
for treble sight.
976
00:47:56,440 --> 00:47:59,610
You have all these new ones
women who come to dance,
977
00:47:59,610 --> 00:48:01,640
they throw the music at you
978
00:48:01,645 --> 00:48:05,105
And you should, you know
read it immediately.
979
00:48:12,390 --> 00:48:16,760
It was great practice,
to relax and play,
980
00:48:16,761 --> 00:48:18,931
because to this day,
can i sit
981
00:48:18,929 --> 00:48:21,299
and throw me any
kind of music in front of me
982
00:48:21,298 --> 00:48:23,128
and to... You know, it might
it's the hardest
983
00:48:23,134 --> 00:48:26,344
thing in the world, but
I will be completely relaxed.
984
00:48:26,337 --> 00:48:29,297
No one will know that
inside I say,
985
00:48:29,306 --> 00:48:30,906
"My dear Lady,
what is this?"
986
00:48:30,908 --> 00:48:33,978
So there was a lot going on, good
basic practice
987
00:48:33,978 --> 00:48:37,448
while I was there, which me
was essentially preparing
988
00:48:37,448 --> 00:48:38,478
for the studios.
989
00:48:43,888 --> 00:48:46,658
I ended up IN the nightclub
in Hollywood,
990
00:48:46,657 --> 00:48:49,087
where everyone used to gather
the movie stars.
991
00:48:49,093 --> 00:48:52,193
There was a manager who
called me one night
992
00:48:52,196 --> 00:48:54,696
and he says, "Look, I have
a child, who
993
00:48:54,698 --> 00:48:58,498
will sign to
Capital Records very soon.
994
00:48:58,502 --> 00:49:00,102
and we need a drummer."
995
00:49:00,104 --> 00:49:03,974
The child's name was Tommy Sands,
a wonderful young man,
996
00:49:03,974 --> 00:49:08,014
became a big teen idol,
and we went on tours.
997
00:49:08,012 --> 00:49:10,652
But it was that time,
where I was with Tommy,
998
00:49:10,648 --> 00:49:13,748
where I had the opportunity to work
with people like Diamonds,
999
00:49:13,751 --> 00:49:17,491
which were very popular
then. The Platters.
1000
00:49:17,488 --> 00:49:20,288
I used to play at such concerts.
1001
00:49:20,291 --> 00:49:23,991
Great experience. And now
I also learned rock and roll,
1002
00:49:23,994 --> 00:49:27,204
which was still a dirty word
for most musicians.
1003
00:49:38,976 --> 00:49:40,536
When I got back to L.A.,
1004
00:49:40,544 --> 00:49:43,654
there was a man who
his name was H.B. Barnum
1005
00:49:43,647 --> 00:49:49,447
And H.B. he started usingme
with Carol Kaye on bass
1006
00:49:49,453 --> 00:49:51,193
and Glen Campbell on guitar.
1007
00:49:51,188 --> 00:49:55,288
We were enough, that we were
let's say demo musicians,
1008
00:49:55,292 --> 00:49:56,962
but we played rock and roll.
1009
00:49:56,961 --> 00:49:59,561
Usually, whoever sat in
those recordings,
1010
00:49:59,563 --> 00:50:02,133
in that group, he was
awesome musician:
1011
00:50:02,132 --> 00:50:07,572
he studied, he was well read,
he loved what he did...
1012
00:50:07,571 --> 00:50:09,371
Everyone wanted us.
1013
00:50:19,048 --> 00:50:23,518
- Do you remember when my dad did
Jobim's album?
1014
00:50:23,521 --> 00:50:24,721
- Oh, yes.
1015
00:50:24,722 --> 00:50:28,062
- And the whole "A" class team
which was inside.
1016
00:50:28,058 --> 00:50:33,898
And at the end of the recording
we did Somethin' Stupid.
1017
00:50:33,898 --> 00:50:37,728
And the "A" group left, and entered
our little group "B"
1018
00:50:37,735 --> 00:50:40,135
the Wrecking Crew
he came and sat down
1019
00:50:40,137 --> 00:50:43,267
and we wrote an album No1.
1020
00:50:43,274 --> 00:50:44,714
- And what they don't understand
most, is that
1021
00:50:44,708 --> 00:50:47,578
he was the first
Our father's number 1 record.
1022
00:50:47,578 --> 00:50:49,978
- We just walked in too
in marching
1023
00:50:49,980 --> 00:50:51,580
and we wrote our hit.
1024
00:50:51,582 --> 00:50:53,522
- Daddy..
- Sorry.
1025
00:51:00,724 --> 00:51:03,194
I have to sing
a little louder then.
1026
00:51:03,193 --> 00:51:05,133
- And you.. And you sing
a little louder.
1027
00:51:05,129 --> 00:51:08,629
I did Somethin' Stupid
with Frank and Nancy Sinatra.
1028
00:51:08,632 --> 00:51:10,972
And that phrase that
i played in the intro,
1029
00:51:10,968 --> 00:51:13,368
I had already played her in one
another disc, of the type
1030
00:51:13,370 --> 00:51:16,670
who wrote it
by Carson Parks.
1031
00:51:16,674 --> 00:51:22,314
And Frank heard it and wanted it
exactly the same phrase in the introduction.
1032
00:51:22,313 --> 00:51:23,983
Billy Strange was
the orchestrator
1033
00:51:23,981 --> 00:51:25,881
and guitars I and
Glen Campbell.
1034
00:51:25,883 --> 00:51:28,823
And Billy had just written
an El Pasostyle guitar
1035
00:51:28,819 --> 00:51:30,449
for the input. So,
Glenn, of course,
1036
00:51:30,454 --> 00:51:31,794
played something very nice,
but it wasn't that
1037
00:51:31,789 --> 00:51:33,819
on the original disc.
And Frank said,
1038
00:51:33,824 --> 00:51:35,464
"No, it's not that,
it's not that. Let's go.."
1039
00:51:35,459 --> 00:51:36,729
So Glenn tried something else
1040
00:51:36,727 --> 00:51:38,827
and Frank's not his
enjoyed it,
1041
00:51:38,829 --> 00:51:40,499
because it didn't sound like
what we had heard.
1042
00:51:40,497 --> 00:51:41,997
So finally, after a while
I say, "Glenn,
1043
00:51:41,999 --> 00:51:43,499
I don't want to be a priest
or nothing
1044
00:51:43,500 --> 00:51:44,870
but I play it on
original disk.
1045
00:51:44,868 --> 00:51:46,568
I know exactly what he wants."
1046
00:51:46,570 --> 00:51:47,940
And he says,
"Hey, then you play it."
1047
00:51:47,938 --> 00:51:49,668
So we changed places
quickly and I played it.
1048
00:51:49,673 --> 00:51:51,043
- Do you want to hear the guitars
1049
00:51:51,041 --> 00:51:52,211
to make sure that
is everything ok
1050
00:51:52,209 --> 00:51:53,579
- A very quick start,
and let's go.
1051
00:51:53,577 --> 00:51:54,707
- OK, the letter "A."
1052
00:51:57,181 --> 00:51:59,481
- That's it, OK.
- Nice sound.
1053
00:51:59,483 --> 00:52:00,883
Yes, that's all
disk trick.
1054
00:52:30,613 --> 00:52:32,783
Chuck Berghofer,
who was the star,
1055
00:52:32,783 --> 00:52:36,753
you know, that bass line
she became famous... Yes,
1056
00:52:36,754 --> 00:52:39,494
it is perhaps... As simple as that
sounds like it's probably one of the
1057
00:52:39,490 --> 00:52:42,060
more difficult things that can
a bass player needs to do.
1058
00:52:42,059 --> 00:52:44,459
- No one can do it.
- They never get it right.
1059
00:52:44,461 --> 00:52:46,061
you know, or try to
play it.
1060
00:52:46,063 --> 00:52:47,703
The sound engineer came out
and said
1061
00:52:47,698 --> 00:52:49,258
"Poop, I'm crazy about him
sound of your bass."
1062
00:52:49,266 --> 00:52:51,366
He says, “I'll give your name
to my friend."
1063
00:52:51,368 --> 00:52:53,198
And it was Jim Bowen after all.
1064
00:52:53,203 --> 00:52:56,543
And I ended up doing some
recordings for Jim Bowen.
1065
00:52:56,540 --> 00:52:59,470
About the 3rd recording,
I did Boots Are Made For Walking.
1066
00:52:59,476 --> 00:53:01,636
And that made me famous.
1067
00:53:01,645 --> 00:53:03,875
I went from both recordings
all my life,
1068
00:53:03,881 --> 00:53:05,551
to do three a day.
1069
00:53:05,549 --> 00:53:08,149
Yes, if I wasn't available
that day,
1070
00:53:08,152 --> 00:53:10,992
I would probably sell
fuses somewhere now.
1071
00:53:10,988 --> 00:53:14,658
This "chunk-a-chunk-a-chunk,"
that rhythmic, percussivesound
1072
00:53:14,658 --> 00:53:17,428
he was so... Lee him
he said "stupid".
1073
00:53:17,428 --> 00:53:19,998
He wanted that dumb sound.
1074
00:53:19,997 --> 00:53:21,857
He really did...
made the records,
1075
00:53:21,865 --> 00:53:24,725
and it was very difficult to him
impressions, especially live ones.
1076
00:53:32,710 --> 00:53:34,640
Lee didn't want to
I say it.
1077
00:53:34,645 --> 00:53:37,045
I kept saying, “I want
to make the boots,
1078
00:53:37,047 --> 00:53:38,847
what he says about boots."
And he was saying, "No,
1079
00:53:38,849 --> 00:53:40,519
it's not a woman's part."
I went to him too,
1080
00:53:40,517 --> 00:53:42,847
"Well, it certainly isn't
and masculine."
1081
00:53:42,853 --> 00:53:46,293
He sang it live
at his concerts.
1082
00:53:46,290 --> 00:53:49,930
And I said, "It's wrong to
a man sings it.
1083
00:53:49,927 --> 00:53:52,687
It is cruel and abusive,
1084
00:53:52,696 --> 00:53:55,556
but it's perfect for him to say
a little girl."
1085
00:54:06,743 --> 00:54:10,153
The feeling of recording live
it was something else
1086
00:54:10,147 --> 00:54:12,947
because you immediately heard it again
and it was ready.
1087
00:54:12,950 --> 00:54:16,050
It was either magic,
or had no magic.
1088
00:54:16,053 --> 00:54:19,653
And I will never forget when
I drove to Las Vegas,
1089
00:54:19,656 --> 00:54:22,886
and on the marquee it said,
"Nancy Sinatra
1090
00:54:22,893 --> 00:54:25,293
with Hal Blaine on Drums."
A huge awning
1091
00:54:25,295 --> 00:54:27,555
above Caesars Palace.
1092
00:54:27,564 --> 00:54:31,674
And now it makes approx
$2,500 per week.
1093
00:54:31,668 --> 00:54:34,698
And Irv Cottler works with him
Frank, the father..
1094
00:54:34,705 --> 00:54:36,765
and he makes $750 a week.
1095
00:54:36,774 --> 00:54:38,214
Me too...
- Who said life is fair?
1096
00:54:38,208 --> 00:54:40,378
- Oh my god, what the hell...
And then, suddenly,
1097
00:54:40,377 --> 00:54:42,637
I see this "Hal Blaine."
And I was laughing.
1098
00:54:42,646 --> 00:54:45,606
"Hal Blaine" spread
in Caesar's marquee.
1099
00:54:45,616 --> 00:54:46,846
- It was great.
- What a game!
1100
00:54:46,850 --> 00:54:49,050
- You have to grab it,
when you can.
1101
00:55:42,300 --> 00:55:44,800
It took some time until
realize it,
1102
00:55:44,801 --> 00:55:48,105
but New Orleans was great
city for a musician to grow up.
1103
00:55:48,111 --> 00:55:51,881
My brother and me
we were 12 and 13,
1104
00:55:51,882 --> 00:55:57,852
and we already played games
on the Mardi Gras floats.
1105
00:55:57,855 --> 00:56:01,585
No plays, a play.
(Mardi Gras: carnival)
1106
00:56:01,592 --> 00:56:03,532
My mother was a singer
and pianist.
1107
00:56:03,527 --> 00:56:08,557
And the city was buzzing with soldiers,
sailors and marines,
1108
00:56:08,565 --> 00:56:11,825
who were passing by to them
send to World War II.
1109
00:56:11,835 --> 00:56:13,903
And the clubs at
French Quarter,
1110
00:56:13,904 --> 00:56:16,304
they were making a lot of money
1111
00:56:16,306 --> 00:56:17,766
and they were hiring
many bands.
1112
00:56:17,774 --> 00:56:19,574
My mother was working
in the afternoon, playing
1113
00:56:19,576 --> 00:56:23,576
and singing to
evening show,
1114
00:56:23,580 --> 00:56:25,380
my father had it too
evening play.
1115
00:56:25,382 --> 00:56:28,282
And I think it was the first
time in their lives that
1116
00:56:28,285 --> 00:56:33,685
they were fully occupied
as musicians.
1117
00:56:33,690 --> 00:56:38,030
I went to Catholic
high school for blacks
1118
00:56:38,028 --> 00:56:42,028
and all public schools
were separated.
1119
00:56:42,032 --> 00:56:45,532
I couldn't see the time
to escape
1120
00:56:45,535 --> 00:56:48,695
My brother and I soon
we created a band,
1121
00:56:48,705 --> 00:56:50,005
you know. He was playing the piano.
1122
00:56:50,007 --> 00:56:54,807
He mainly played blues and boogie..
1123
00:56:54,811 --> 00:56:57,011
He wanted to play be-bop
but really
1124
00:56:57,014 --> 00:57:00,184
no one wanted to listen to her.
1125
00:57:00,183 --> 00:57:03,153
People always tell me
how good I was and, you know,
1126
00:57:03,153 --> 00:57:05,223
“This kid really
will go ahead" and...
1127
00:57:05,222 --> 00:57:09,122
Of course, I thought so.
1128
00:57:15,298 --> 00:57:19,128
In 1954, my brother and I
we moved to LA
1129
00:57:19,136 --> 00:57:24,636
and we were starving
in the city, for about 2 years,
1130
00:57:24,641 --> 00:57:26,141
we used to go to all the jams.
1131
00:57:26,143 --> 00:57:27,813
This is what you do when you are
new in town.
1132
00:57:27,811 --> 00:57:31,381
And sooner or later this
will bring you work
1133
00:57:31,381 --> 00:57:34,251
because all the group leaders
they came to the jams,
1134
00:57:34,251 --> 00:57:38,221
to find brass players
or rhythm players.
1135
00:57:38,221 --> 00:57:41,391
And there I found them, in the jams
1136
00:57:41,391 --> 00:57:43,331
The fashion of rock and roll
it kept growing
1137
00:57:43,327 --> 00:57:47,027
and they needed the wind instrument
where I play
1138
00:57:47,030 --> 00:57:49,860
So I was just
in the right place
1139
00:57:49,866 --> 00:57:53,636
at the right time.
1140
00:58:03,412 --> 00:58:05,882
Specifically when I went
on the Merv Griffin Show,
1141
00:58:05,882 --> 00:58:08,382
which started at 3
in the afternoon.
1142
00:58:08,385 --> 00:58:11,245
That was the time they were returning
my children from school.
1143
00:58:11,254 --> 00:58:15,664
And it ended at 8.30 in the evening,
and I would get home maybe 9.30.
1144
00:58:15,659 --> 00:58:17,689
This was the time they were falling
sleep my children
1145
00:58:17,694 --> 00:58:20,664
Many days, I did not see them.
1146
00:58:20,665 --> 00:58:23,532
Let's put it this way:
1147
00:58:23,533 --> 00:58:27,103
I'm a better grandpa,
since I was a father.
1148
00:58:42,519 --> 00:58:43,389
- That's great.
1149
00:58:43,387 --> 00:58:46,287
Ah, fantastic.
1150
00:58:46,289 --> 00:58:49,259
- I remember when I took her out
this photo.
1151
00:58:49,259 --> 00:58:51,859
I got her out of one
disc, a 45-gauge.
1152
00:58:51,862 --> 00:58:53,962
- These are all yours.
Oh, they are nice.
1153
00:58:53,964 --> 00:58:55,334
- Yes.
1154
00:58:55,332 --> 00:58:57,972
The first band I had
it was just an experiment.
1155
00:58:57,968 --> 00:59:00,198
We were opening the show
for Dave Brubeck,
1156
00:59:00,203 --> 00:59:05,143
and people liked it...
you know, our half hour set,
1157
00:59:05,142 --> 00:59:08,642
while we were playing. And I remember where
I got off the stage
1158
00:59:08,645 --> 00:59:14,545
and Paul stood
Desmond aside.
1159
00:59:14,551 --> 00:59:17,051
And as I passed him,
he scratched his head
1160
00:59:17,054 --> 00:59:19,999
and he said, "I don't know what
just heard
1161
00:59:20,000 --> 00:59:23,760
but I think I like it."
1162
00:59:23,760 --> 00:59:25,030
This was the first
mark I had
1163
00:59:25,028 --> 00:59:27,058
that maybe
we are going somewhere
1164
00:59:27,064 --> 00:59:30,004
A jazz musician loved it..
or he liked it.
1165
00:59:30,000 --> 00:59:32,230
The first recording I did
it was for Herb Alpert,
1166
00:59:32,235 --> 00:59:33,835
Shorty Rogers got me
and says
1167
00:59:33,837 --> 00:59:35,297
"Bill, will you do me a favor?"
1168
00:59:35,305 --> 00:59:37,565
He says, "He's a guy,
he's my friend."
1169
00:59:37,574 --> 00:59:40,014
He says, “He's a trumpet player and
it has no franc.
1170
00:59:40,010 --> 00:59:41,640
You will do it like
favor for me?"
1171
00:59:41,645 --> 00:59:43,105
I say, “Sure, I will.”
1172
00:59:43,113 --> 00:59:45,653
Herb gave us $15.
It was a piece of work.
1173
00:59:45,649 --> 00:59:48,679
- Well, most of them were...
- Right, yes.
1174
00:59:48,685 --> 00:59:50,615
- When we first started
then, you know.
1175
00:59:50,620 --> 00:59:53,460
- Right. It was $15.
- Two in the quarter.
1176
00:59:53,457 --> 00:59:55,787
- Yes, two for 25.
1177
00:59:55,792 --> 00:59:57,362
And that was The Lonely Bull.
1178
01:00:02,265 --> 01:00:05,765
That was the first huge one
hit made by Herb Alpert.
1179
01:00:05,769 --> 01:00:07,139
It was huge!
1180
01:00:07,137 --> 01:00:09,100
He became a millionaire
with a disk.
1181
01:00:08,301 --> 01:00:12,435
And you know what he did?
Go to the union,
1182
01:00:12,442 --> 01:00:14,582
he said what he did,
pay the fine
1183
01:00:14,578 --> 01:00:17,908
and then sent checks
to all musicians with the basic
1184
01:00:17,914 --> 01:00:23,124
which... they should have taken, but
they didn't take him.
1185
01:00:23,120 --> 01:00:24,750
An iconic moment
in A Taste of Honey's
1186
01:00:24,754 --> 01:00:27,594
is when the boot gives four.
1187
01:00:27,591 --> 01:00:30,461
We had no way to
back to the rhythm
1188
01:00:30,460 --> 01:00:34,200
without, you know, counting.
And Hal, you know, said,
1189
01:00:34,197 --> 01:00:36,427
"Let me tap the boot.
1190
01:00:36,433 --> 01:00:38,603
And everyone will know when
to enter."
1191
01:00:42,939 --> 01:00:44,739
Larry Levine thought..
the sound engineer,
1192
01:00:44,741 --> 01:00:46,711
that we had to keep it
and it is, you know,
1193
01:00:46,710 --> 01:00:48,880
one of the things that
people remember from the record.
1194
01:00:48,879 --> 01:00:53,049
And somehow it did
T.J.B.S.'s trademark
1195
01:00:53,049 --> 01:00:54,719
And it's because they
1196
01:00:54,718 --> 01:00:57,418
the professional musicians
they could not enter together.
1197
01:01:03,093 --> 01:01:05,493
I met Julius in high school
1198
01:01:05,495 --> 01:01:07,755
We started playing a piece
and he got solo,
1199
01:01:07,764 --> 01:01:09,104
and I thought,
"Poop, man,
1200
01:01:09,099 --> 01:01:11,299
this guy is playing
like Lionel Hampton."
1201
01:01:11,301 --> 01:01:12,971
He wrote the Spanish Flea,
(flea)
1202
01:01:12,969 --> 01:01:15,439
though the first title
it was "Spanish Fly," (fly)
1203
01:01:15,438 --> 01:01:17,408
and I said, "I don't know..
i'm not sure..
1204
01:01:17,407 --> 01:01:22,137
not sure if
this title will "go".
1205
01:01:33,189 --> 01:01:35,689
You know, when T.J.B.
became famous
1206
01:01:35,692 --> 01:01:39,662
and had to create
concert band,
1207
01:01:39,663 --> 01:01:41,933
none of the musicians
of the studios did not go,
1208
01:01:41,932 --> 01:01:44,132
because they were very busy.
1209
01:01:44,134 --> 01:01:47,404
We made 13 albums, and
this is something that
1210
01:01:47,404 --> 01:01:49,704
has bothered me all my life,
throughout my career.
1211
01:01:49,706 --> 01:01:51,536
We were coming back and I was calling
1212
01:01:51,541 --> 01:01:55,911
to the children, Lou and Hal.
And the tour guys...
1213
01:01:55,912 --> 01:01:57,952
Yes, they were pissed off.
1214
01:01:57,948 --> 01:02:00,378
They were a little offended because
they weren't using them
1215
01:02:00,383 --> 01:02:03,223
but you know, the musicians
of the recordings they had
1216
01:02:03,219 --> 01:02:06,649
a certain sound
which was necessary to go out.
1217
01:02:09,459 --> 01:02:11,789
Whatever form it takes
your stomach,
1218
01:02:11,795 --> 01:02:14,755
when out of shape,
take Alka-Seltzer.
1219
01:02:14,764 --> 01:02:17,574
I saw a commercial too
it seemed a wild success.
1220
01:02:17,567 --> 01:02:20,637
I called Dave Pell,
who was my supervisor,
1221
01:02:20,637 --> 01:02:22,637
and I said, "What instrumentals
do we have a group over here?"
1222
01:02:22,639 --> 01:02:26,139
And he says, “Hey, here we have a name.
They're called The T-Bones."
1223
01:02:26,142 --> 01:02:28,112
And I say, "Okay."
So I got Tommy Tedesco
1224
01:02:28,111 --> 01:02:30,311
and the boys, and bur
for the studio, and
1225
01:02:30,313 --> 01:02:32,713
we wrote No Matter What Shape.”
(slogan namesake)
1226
01:02:32,716 --> 01:02:35,246
And it was the No. 1 instrumental
part of the year.
1227
01:02:35,252 --> 01:02:36,282
The T-Bones!
1228
01:02:56,740 --> 01:02:58,710
What are their names..
"Willy Vanelli"
1229
01:02:58,708 --> 01:03:00,578
or whatever the hell they call them?
- Milli..
1230
01:03:00,577 --> 01:03:02,537
- They didn't catch one,
in front of us.
1231
01:03:02,545 --> 01:03:04,275
- Right. - ...right?
We did this all the time.
1232
01:03:04,281 --> 01:03:06,811
I wanted the Marketts to be
like a normal group.
1233
01:03:06,816 --> 01:03:10,886
And, you know, if the public knew
that it is not so
1234
01:03:10,887 --> 01:03:15,457
would be like them
"Mini Vanilli" or whatever they are called.
1235
01:03:25,768 --> 01:03:28,738
I think it's a little different
when you are
1236
01:03:28,738 --> 01:03:32,068
brass and they ask you to
play the intro
1237
01:03:32,075 --> 01:03:34,735
..to play the first couplet..
- I understand that.
1238
01:03:34,744 --> 01:03:38,454
- ...and play the first solo, and
after playing the fade out at the end..
1239
01:03:38,448 --> 01:03:41,478
And the sign comes out and doesn't
it has your name on it.
1240
01:03:48,058 --> 01:03:52,528
In Surfer's Stomp... Plas Johnson
was the lead saxophonist,
1241
01:03:52,529 --> 01:03:55,629
and I say, “Plas, how about that
shall we call it The Plas Johnson?”
1242
01:03:55,632 --> 01:03:57,532
And he says, "no," he says
1243
01:03:57,534 --> 01:03:59,374
"I don't want to be related
with this kind of music."
1244
01:03:59,369 --> 01:04:02,039
I mean, he was much better
musician than that,
1245
01:04:02,038 --> 01:04:04,368
but it became a hit, and so
we put it out The Marketts.
1246
01:04:04,374 --> 01:04:06,044
And then I started to accept
phone calls.
1247
01:04:06,042 --> 01:04:09,682
Thus, the composer, with whom
we wrote Surfer's Stomp together
1248
01:04:09,679 --> 01:04:11,949
got mike gordon,
make a group
1249
01:04:11,948 --> 01:04:13,108
and went on tour.
1250
01:04:13,116 --> 01:04:14,616
Worse than not
take the money
1251
01:04:14,617 --> 01:04:18,347
is to have.. play in one
hit record he sold
1252
01:04:18,355 --> 01:04:20,915
1 million copies, and that's it
it doesn't even have your name on it.
1253
01:04:20,924 --> 01:04:24,534
And they go and dig something up
white high school kids,
1254
01:04:24,527 --> 01:04:28,827
and they take them on tour
and give them the name.
1255
01:04:28,832 --> 01:04:30,672
And it was very easy for
the producers and
1256
01:04:30,667 --> 01:04:33,597
companies to hire us
to read the music,
1257
01:04:33,603 --> 01:04:35,773
and play it right,
in three hours and
1258
01:04:35,772 --> 01:04:37,872
let's leave the studio
within three hours,
1259
01:04:37,874 --> 01:04:40,384
from having them and
waste 3 weeks writing.
1260
01:04:40,377 --> 01:04:44,047
We either reinforced or
we were completely replacing the group.
1261
01:04:44,047 --> 01:04:49,247
We're making a new group, say
the Association, for example.
1262
01:04:49,252 --> 01:04:51,322
None of them played
on the disc.
1263
01:04:51,321 --> 01:04:53,221
We have replaced
the whole group.
1264
01:05:07,303 --> 01:05:09,003
Well, these are the guys
who played in Windy
1265
01:05:09,005 --> 01:05:11,535
and Never My Love and the
Everything That Touches You.
1266
01:05:11,541 --> 01:05:15,111
And in all that was in them
the two albums, which
1267
01:05:15,111 --> 01:05:18,451
I did with them, in all this
it's those studio musicians.
1268
01:05:18,448 --> 01:05:21,818
Al, Joe, Larry, Tommy and..
these children.
1269
01:05:21,818 --> 01:05:24,348
I wanted to put their names
back to the album
1270
01:05:24,354 --> 01:05:26,824
when it was over, and no
they left me
1271
01:05:26,823 --> 01:05:29,563
Because they said, "Well, we don't want to
the kids out there who
1272
01:05:29,559 --> 01:05:31,189
they will buy our records
to know that
1273
01:05:31,194 --> 01:05:32,864
we don't play on record."
1274
01:05:32,862 --> 01:05:36,262
I went and got her
Brian's place in the Beach Boys.
1275
01:05:36,266 --> 01:05:39,766
And I can understand maybe
because Brian brought themusicians
1276
01:05:39,769 --> 01:05:45,169
of the studios, because they were arguing
like dog and cat, man.
1277
01:05:45,175 --> 01:05:48,735
Instead of Brian suffering the inconvenience,
to write the tracks,
1278
01:05:48,745 --> 01:05:52,175
was hiring the rhythm section
to come and write them.
1279
01:05:52,182 --> 01:05:54,952
The children?... At first
they were a little jealous,
1280
01:05:54,951 --> 01:05:56,881
do you know what I mean? But them
I explained and said,
1281
01:05:56,886 --> 01:06:00,146
“You know, I want to have it
better for the group."
1282
01:06:00,156 --> 01:06:02,616
And they say, "Yes, we understand
what do you mean Brian,"
1283
01:06:02,625 --> 01:06:05,185
you know So we proceeded
and we did
1284
01:06:05,195 --> 01:06:08,555
and he sure liked it
and to the children.
1285
01:06:08,565 --> 01:06:11,525
I mean, it's one of the most
frequently asked questions,
1286
01:06:11,534 --> 01:06:13,804
"Dennis didn't get angry,
he was not angry
1287
01:06:13,803 --> 01:06:16,103
that you did them
Beach Boys records?"
1288
01:06:16,105 --> 01:06:21,205
Dennis didn't have the studios
abilities that we had.
1289
01:06:21,211 --> 01:06:23,600
And for the sake of truth,
Dennis took me to
1290
01:06:23,601 --> 01:06:26,706
I do his album when Dennis
he made his solo album.
1291
01:06:26,716 --> 01:06:28,346
I played drums on it.
1292
01:06:28,351 --> 01:06:31,051
Many times, children
they were sitting in the studio,
1293
01:06:31,054 --> 01:06:32,954
we didn't know it is
the members of the group.
1294
01:06:32,956 --> 01:06:35,916
The guitarists of these
of various groups, when
1295
01:06:35,925 --> 01:06:38,300
they realized they were going to play
guys like Tommy Tedesco's
1296
01:06:37,301 --> 01:06:40,501
they wanted to come to the studio
to watch.
1297
01:06:40,502 --> 01:06:41,697
And the drummers wanted to
to come and sit
1298
01:06:41,698 --> 01:06:43,198
to watch
me or Al
1299
01:06:43,199 --> 01:06:45,069
He was there, more or less
to learn.
1300
01:06:45,068 --> 01:06:47,298
You know, it's something that I do too
I would like to see,
1301
01:06:47,303 --> 01:06:48,773
if i were in their place.
1302
01:06:48,771 --> 01:06:50,711
Terry Melcher wanted to get
session musicians
1303
01:06:50,707 --> 01:06:52,267
for Mr. Tambourine Man.
1304
01:06:52,275 --> 01:06:53,875
I was a studio musician
in New York,
1305
01:06:53,877 --> 01:06:56,237
before I joined the Byrds, so..
1306
01:06:56,246 --> 01:06:57,606
they let me play.
1307
01:06:57,614 --> 01:06:59,514
So my feeling was,
"Great. I'll play
1308
01:06:59,516 --> 01:07:01,346
with this great band,
the Wrecking Crew."
1309
01:07:01,351 --> 01:07:03,051
Of course, the rest,
David Crosby,
1310
01:07:03,052 --> 01:07:06,352
Michael Clark and Chris Hellman,
he was out of the brakes.
1311
01:07:06,356 --> 01:07:07,516
They didn't like it at all
the idea, why
1312
01:07:07,524 --> 01:07:08,794
they didn't play in the same one
them the disc.
1313
01:07:08,791 --> 01:07:11,061
We hit #1 with it, exactly
from the beginning.
1314
01:07:11,060 --> 01:07:14,030
But we threw out a couple of pieces
in one recording of 3 hours.
1315
01:07:14,030 --> 01:07:16,360
Comparing it to what happened
when the rest of the band
1316
01:07:16,366 --> 01:07:19,066
played, we needed 77 takes,
1317
01:07:19,068 --> 01:07:22,468
to write the band
for Turn, Turn, Turn,
1318
01:07:22,472 --> 01:07:24,212
which also became No1.
1319
01:08:06,115 --> 01:08:09,575
People just assume that
because my father was alive
1320
01:08:09,586 --> 01:08:12,116
playing guitar, that
i can play too
1321
01:08:12,121 --> 01:08:15,021
For me, and a few others
children of studio musicians,
1322
01:08:15,024 --> 01:08:17,024
we didn't follow it
as a profession.
1323
01:08:17,026 --> 01:08:19,986
What father taught us
it was our common sense.
1324
01:08:19,996 --> 01:08:21,796
They call me somewhere
many years ago.
1325
01:08:21,798 --> 01:08:24,328
I go and there are 70 musicians
1326
01:08:24,334 --> 01:08:25,804
sitting over there.
And I look
1327
01:08:25,802 --> 01:08:28,742
and I say, "70 musicians?
Wow. Where do I sit?"
1328
01:08:28,738 --> 01:08:30,468
They say, “There.
Here's the guitar."
1329
01:08:30,473 --> 01:08:32,643
I'm sitting, looking around.
1330
01:08:32,642 --> 01:08:36,242
The only problem is that
I start at the 95th meter,
1331
01:08:36,245 --> 01:08:37,505
and all the rest, I sit.
1332
01:08:37,513 --> 01:08:39,453
The guy starts, yes.
1333
01:08:39,449 --> 01:08:40,949
And you know how I was
me at that time.
1334
01:08:40,950 --> 01:08:42,680
We were in a nightclub, you know
you see a chick
1335
01:08:42,685 --> 01:08:44,745
"Nati! Hey, hey..."
1336
01:08:44,754 --> 01:08:47,024
When he went and didn't
there was music, I say.
1337
01:08:47,023 --> 01:08:49,063
"Oh, it's on the 95th meter,
I knew it."
1338
01:08:49,058 --> 01:08:51,688
"Guitar. Where's the guitar?"
"This is where I lose."
1339
01:08:51,694 --> 01:08:52,794
"We're at 95, I didn't hear you."
1340
01:08:52,795 --> 01:08:54,155
"Uh, yeah, ok" you know.
1341
01:08:54,163 --> 01:08:58,733
- One-two-three-te..
1342
01:08:58,735 --> 01:09:01,165
"OK, forget it. Let's go from 96"
1343
01:09:01,170 --> 01:09:03,500
And they brought another one the next day
day to do it.
1344
01:09:03,506 --> 01:09:06,336
Elvis also came sometime
years, me too
1345
01:09:06,342 --> 01:09:08,712
I was starting to suck at
discography, and Elvis
1346
01:09:08,711 --> 01:09:10,781
started using me
when it came to movies.
1347
01:09:10,780 --> 01:09:12,510
So no one told him
Elvis who I was.
1348
01:09:12,515 --> 01:09:16,675
Until then, I never found out if they knew
that I'm the same guy, anyway.
1349
01:09:16,686 --> 01:09:18,346
But I wouldn't tell them!
“Do you remember me?
1350
01:09:18,354 --> 01:09:20,994
Three years ago..."
No, no, no...
1351
01:09:20,990 --> 01:09:23,560
You see, the only thing I have
it's common sense.
1352
01:09:23,559 --> 01:09:26,789
I studied common sense
more than the guitar.
1353
01:09:35,837 --> 01:09:37,967
In the 60s
the Wrecking Crew played
1354
01:09:37,974 --> 01:09:39,714
in thousands of recordings,
1355
01:09:39,709 --> 01:09:41,909
but you would never know.
1356
01:09:41,911 --> 01:09:45,411
The producers made it big
mistake they didn't put
1357
01:09:45,415 --> 01:09:47,675
list of contributors to
back of albums,
1358
01:09:47,684 --> 01:09:49,584
of all the people who
played on the albums.
1359
01:09:49,585 --> 01:09:52,815
Not only did they deserve it, but I believe
it was also misleading.
1360
01:09:52,822 --> 01:09:55,462
Perhaps one of the reasons that
they left out the names
1361
01:09:55,458 --> 01:09:58,558
is that so many same musicians,
they played on so many records
1362
01:09:58,561 --> 01:10:01,561
which would be a shame if
he named some of them.
1363
01:10:02,231 --> 01:10:04,801
I was used to it, because
when someonehired me
1364
01:10:04,801 --> 01:10:07,571
with his last $25
and he ate fola,
1365
01:10:07,570 --> 01:10:09,840
I never gave them to him
his money back, you know.
1366
01:10:09,839 --> 01:10:11,869
So I could see it clearly
like work
1367
01:10:11,874 --> 01:10:15,484
and i understand how you feel
you too But I felt
1368
01:10:15,478 --> 01:10:18,048
"Just give me my money
and I do."
1369
01:10:26,022 --> 01:10:29,562
Snuffy always left me
and the Playboys
1370
01:10:29,559 --> 01:10:31,459
to write all the basic tracks.
1371
01:10:31,461 --> 01:10:35,061
And then Snuff would say,
"Now we're going to sweeten it up,
1372
01:10:35,064 --> 01:10:37,674
we'll do some overdubs etc
and I will bring some people
1373
01:10:37,667 --> 01:10:39,127
that I want to use."
1374
01:10:39,135 --> 01:10:42,765
And I had no experience
in it, while Snuffy had.
1375
01:10:42,772 --> 01:10:44,442
So I was like, “Oh, great.
1376
01:10:44,440 --> 01:10:46,940
If you think so it should be
be done, let's do it."
1377
01:10:46,943 --> 01:10:51,213
The drummer came, but o
Snuffy left him, you know,
1378
01:10:51,214 --> 01:10:53,614
to play some percussion,
like a tambourine, say
1379
01:10:53,616 --> 01:10:56,746
so that he can say
"Gary Lewis and The Playboys."
1380
01:10:56,753 --> 01:10:59,653
But they were the studio kids
who wrote the piece.
1381
01:10:59,655 --> 01:11:03,955
And I remember the guitarist
me and our keyboard,
1382
01:11:03,960 --> 01:11:07,190
after they heard them
sessions that came and
1383
01:11:07,196 --> 01:11:10,056
they wrote the parts, you know
they were saying, "Oh, my God,
1384
01:11:10,066 --> 01:11:13,166
I could never
to do such a thing."
1385
01:11:13,169 --> 01:11:15,899
I will never forget when I was working
with Gary Lewis and The Playboys
1386
01:11:15,905 --> 01:11:17,735
..we made this record.
- Oh, yes.
1387
01:11:17,740 --> 01:11:22,180
And I won't forget, I had one
very funny phrase
1388
01:11:22,178 --> 01:11:25,848
on a disc... Spanish
things, everywhere.
1389
01:11:33,890 --> 01:11:37,860
And finally, he comes
his guitarist and he tells me
1390
01:11:37,860 --> 01:11:40,190
"You killed me with this thing.
1391
01:11:40,196 --> 01:11:43,326
First of all, I can't
i play it, so i don't play it.
1392
01:11:43,332 --> 01:11:46,402
And then, everyone comes and
they compliment me
1393
01:11:46,402 --> 01:11:48,002
for this point."
1394
01:11:48,004 --> 01:11:49,944
I tell him, "Hey, take the compliment
and forget it."
1395
01:11:49,939 --> 01:11:53,709
So all my guitarists played
a much more simplified one
1396
01:11:53,709 --> 01:11:56,739
version, because no one could
to play this thing.
1397
01:12:02,451 --> 01:12:04,451
These were things
from the inside.
1398
01:12:04,453 --> 01:12:07,393
I think the public in general
he was ignorant of the fact
1399
01:12:07,390 --> 01:12:11,090
that there was a secret
star maker,
1400
01:12:11,093 --> 01:12:14,903
that a very important ingredient
to them were these groups,
1401
01:12:14,897 --> 01:12:17,567
like executors,
studio performers.
1402
01:12:17,567 --> 01:12:18,627
Nobody cared.
1403
01:12:18,634 --> 01:12:20,134
All they wanted
was the product.
1404
01:12:20,136 --> 01:12:22,496
They just wanted the name
and sales.
1405
01:12:22,505 --> 01:12:23,965
Who created it?
Pffff..
1406
01:12:23,973 --> 01:12:25,473
This was of secondary importance.
1407
01:12:35,284 --> 01:12:38,094
- Tell him your story, Hal,
for the Monkees.
1408
01:12:38,087 --> 01:12:41,287
Why did the newspapers come
to speak to them,
1409
01:12:41,290 --> 01:12:43,990
And we were next door
studio, we were writing their material.
1410
01:12:43,993 --> 01:12:46,563
And then he pretended that
theydid it
1411
01:12:46,562 --> 01:12:48,162
there in the studios.
1412
01:12:48,164 --> 01:12:50,164
- Well, you just said it.
- Tell him the story.
1413
01:12:50,166 --> 01:12:53,866
- Well, you told the story.
Did you write it?
1414
01:12:57,139 --> 01:12:59,309
I never considered him
myself a musician.
1415
01:12:59,308 --> 01:13:01,578
I.. you know, for me
someone is a musician
1416
01:13:01,577 --> 01:13:05,247
who is in session, who appears
and reads sheet music.
1417
01:13:05,248 --> 01:13:07,508
I always approached them too
Monkees as an actor,
1418
01:13:07,516 --> 01:13:11,116
acting as the drummer,
in this fantasy group,
1419
01:13:11,120 --> 01:13:13,690
who lived on this beach
house of fantasy,
1420
01:13:13,689 --> 01:13:15,289
and he had these fantastic ones
adventures.
1421
01:13:15,291 --> 01:13:17,991
For me, this always...
it's always been that.
1422
01:13:17,994 --> 01:13:20,434
Peter tells the story
that went to some
1423
01:13:20,429 --> 01:13:23,529
From the first sessions. And
came in with the guitar and
1424
01:13:23,532 --> 01:13:26,332
his bass, and they call him
"What do you want here?" - "What's going on?"
1425
01:13:26,335 --> 01:13:29,635
"Hey, we're already done with the track.
Micky will sing."
1426
01:13:29,639 --> 01:13:32,269
“So what?… You called me for
recording."
1427
01:13:32,275 --> 01:13:36,435
He says, "Yes."
I say, "Hey, what are you doing?"
1428
01:13:36,445 --> 01:13:40,045
"We have the record, simply
we have to speak up."
1429
01:13:40,049 --> 01:13:41,819
They say, “Just go home.
Relax."
1430
01:13:41,817 --> 01:13:44,147
One, two, three, four.
1431
01:13:54,362 --> 01:13:56,062
- Mikey, do you like it?
- Do you like it?
1432
01:13:56,065 --> 01:13:58,725
It's horrible.
It's the worst...
1433
01:13:58,734 --> 01:14:01,974
I had no idea who
it was these guys in the first place
1434
01:14:01,971 --> 01:14:03,571
recordings. She was the first
my recording.
1435
01:14:03,572 --> 01:14:06,072
And they introduce us,
"These are the musicians."
1436
01:14:06,075 --> 01:14:07,435
I was a voice.
1437
01:14:07,443 --> 01:14:09,413
I remember Hal Blaine to me
gives some advice
1438
01:14:09,412 --> 01:14:12,852
on the recordings, and Earl Palmer
he was giving me advice.
1439
01:14:12,848 --> 01:14:14,478
But I didn't have to play
at that point.
1440
01:14:14,483 --> 01:14:17,053
They say, "You're going to start classes
drums on Monday."
1441
01:14:17,053 --> 01:14:19,493
And I started.
And I did for about a year.
1442
01:14:19,488 --> 01:14:24,018
So when I had to play
really on stage, live,
1443
01:14:24,026 --> 01:14:25,486
I wasn't that bad.
1444
01:14:25,494 --> 01:14:27,764
That is, only our own pieces
I had to play, obviously
1445
01:14:27,763 --> 01:14:29,503
and it was relatively simple,
pop tracks.
1446
01:14:29,498 --> 01:14:34,128
Hal and Earl do that
with one hand in their sleep.
1447
01:14:43,512 --> 01:14:47,252
The fans didn't know, neither did they
he cared, I was in phase too :
1448
01:14:47,249 --> 01:14:50,119
"And what happened? It is
tv show,
1449
01:14:50,119 --> 01:14:51,549
you know So what happened?"
1450
01:14:51,554 --> 01:14:54,224
But you know, at that time
even to this day,
1451
01:14:54,223 --> 01:14:57,163
many people get too much
seriously their rock and roll
1452
01:14:57,159 --> 01:14:59,189
and, you know.. And it is
you know
1453
01:14:59,195 --> 01:15:02,395
rock and roll does not
it's a funny thing.
1454
01:15:02,398 --> 01:15:05,028
You shouldn't be kidding, you know
1455
01:15:05,034 --> 01:15:06,734
It must be very serious.
1456
01:15:06,736 --> 01:15:08,136
Now I get it.
1457
01:15:08,137 --> 01:15:09,397
If I did the project
1458
01:15:09,405 --> 01:15:11,305
I would do exactly that
in the same way.
1459
01:15:11,307 --> 01:15:13,867
Uh.. but.. uh.. then
I didn't understand it at all.
1460
01:15:13,876 --> 01:15:15,406
I didn't understand.
1461
01:15:15,411 --> 01:15:17,141
- Were you angry?
- Yes, I was angry.
1462
01:15:17,146 --> 01:15:20,176
I believe that... I mean,
I was very naive.
1463
01:15:20,182 --> 01:15:24,152
I see how angry I was
as part of my naivety.
1464
01:15:24,153 --> 01:15:27,223
I always thought I would be
in some recording
1465
01:15:27,223 --> 01:15:28,823
and I would play the guitar
and i would do things
1466
01:15:28,824 --> 01:15:31,464
and I would sing vocals
and everything else.
1467
01:15:31,460 --> 01:15:33,360
I had no idea they had gone
1468
01:15:33,362 --> 01:15:35,232
and they had written them without us.
1469
01:15:35,231 --> 01:15:37,231
I don't think it backfired
the revelation that
1470
01:15:37,233 --> 01:15:40,103
the Monkees weren't playing
their organs initially,
1471
01:15:40,102 --> 01:15:41,972
because everyone knew that
it was common practice.
1472
01:15:41,971 --> 01:15:43,541
I used to see them on
recordings of all.
1473
01:15:43,539 --> 01:15:46,939
I remember at RCA the Victor na
goes to Mamas and Papas,
1474
01:15:46,942 --> 01:15:48,682
who was in the next room,
and there was Hal Blaine.
1475
01:15:48,677 --> 01:15:52,147
And then he was coming
made our own recording.
1476
01:15:52,148 --> 01:15:54,348
And then to someone else, I guess.
1477
01:15:54,350 --> 01:15:57,120
I knew they were actually playing
on all Beach Boys records.
1478
01:15:57,119 --> 01:15:59,119
You know we ate a lot of shit about it
1479
01:15:59,121 --> 01:16:02,191
but I think, after all, some
of these guys
1480
01:16:02,191 --> 01:16:04,291
they begin to confess it.
1481
01:16:22,411 --> 01:16:26,211
Barry McGuire had found this
the California Dreamin'track
1482
01:16:26,215 --> 01:16:27,405
that he wanted to record.
1483
01:16:27,416 --> 01:16:30,416
And these four
somewhat sloppy,
1484
01:16:30,419 --> 01:16:32,149
two boys, two girls
they entered thestudio
1485
01:16:32,154 --> 01:16:33,424
because Barry wanted to
to sing
1486
01:16:33,422 --> 01:16:35,522
vocally on his record.
1487
01:16:35,524 --> 01:16:38,134
And he says to Lou, “It is
awesome vocal group.
1488
01:16:38,127 --> 01:16:39,787
You have to listen to them
to sing."
1489
01:16:39,795 --> 01:16:42,525
John Phillips wrote this
track, California Dreamin'.
1490
01:16:42,531 --> 01:16:45,431
So, while the band took a break,
Lou and I went to
1491
01:16:45,434 --> 01:16:47,374
studio 2 with the four of them.
1492
01:16:47,369 --> 01:16:50,899
And John had a guitar too
they sang California Dreamin'.
1493
01:16:58,714 --> 01:17:00,284
Says Lou, "What are you talking about?"
1494
01:17:00,282 --> 01:17:02,352
And I say, "If you don't take them
you, I'll take them.", you know.
1495
01:17:02,351 --> 01:17:06,221
After hearing their vocals
1496
01:17:06,222 --> 01:17:08,162
I thought I should
it's their own record.
1497
01:17:08,157 --> 01:17:11,187
When I started doing them
Mamas and The Papas,
1498
01:17:11,193 --> 01:17:14,863
i put joe osborn in it
the group, with Hal Blaine.
1499
01:17:14,864 --> 01:17:20,034
And then Hal, and Larry
and I worked together
1500
01:17:20,035 --> 01:17:21,635
as a group, for the first time.
1501
01:17:21,637 --> 01:17:23,937
I wasn't too busy.
At that time,
1502
01:17:23,939 --> 01:17:26,339
I wasn't too busy
like a studio player.
1503
01:17:26,342 --> 01:17:29,012
And Hal helped me in
in this space.
1504
01:17:29,011 --> 01:17:32,511
These combinations of ti
brought by Joe to Hal Blaine,
1505
01:17:32,515 --> 01:17:35,545
and what Hal Blaine brought to
Joe Osborn were great.
1506
01:17:43,125 --> 01:17:44,625
In the case of
Mamas and Papas
1507
01:17:44,627 --> 01:17:50,627
John Phillips was playing the part
on rhythm guitar.
1508
01:17:50,633 --> 01:17:53,133
At the same time,
Hal was taking notes.
1509
01:17:53,135 --> 01:17:54,965
Glen Campbell can
was taking notes.
1510
01:17:54,970 --> 01:17:56,600
And then we say,
"OK, let's go."
1511
01:17:56,605 --> 01:17:59,535
They had the places in mind
so you can make corrections.
1512
01:17:59,542 --> 01:18:01,342
"Yes, that's good,
let's keep it.
1513
01:18:01,343 --> 01:18:03,413
That's not it, you can
try something else?"
1514
01:18:03,412 --> 01:18:05,982
But they had a big contribution
in the orchestrations.
1515
01:18:05,981 --> 01:18:08,800
The members of the Mamas
and The Papas learn
1516
01:18:08,801 --> 01:18:10,475
the piece to the musicians.
1517
01:18:10,486 --> 01:18:12,746
There is no orchestration
or sheet music.
1518
01:18:28,336 --> 01:18:30,666
The musicians decide
what will they play,
1519
01:18:30,673 --> 01:18:35,143
on the vocals.
A rhythm begins.
1520
01:18:38,747 --> 01:18:41,317
Producers were giving to
musicians a map.
1521
01:18:41,317 --> 01:18:45,317
It was just the chords.
And somewhere there
1522
01:18:45,321 --> 01:18:47,591
was ending.
Now, these musicians
1523
01:18:47,590 --> 01:18:52,160
they were getting the information and
you know, they added a little flavor
1524
01:18:52,161 --> 01:18:54,291
which was unexpected.
Many times, it was
1525
01:18:54,296 --> 01:18:58,296
you know, much more
than you hoped.
1526
01:19:38,706 --> 01:19:40,636
People come and say,
"Did you do that?"
1527
01:19:40,643 --> 01:19:42,683
Did you work with this group?"
I say, "I don't remember."
1528
01:19:42,678 --> 01:19:44,178
“But, I saw your name
on the album."
1529
01:19:44,179 --> 01:19:45,509
"Well then, yes."
You know, so...
1530
01:19:45,514 --> 01:19:46,954
- Exactly.
- Why did you work so hard,
1531
01:19:46,949 --> 01:19:48,079
that you had no idea.
1532
01:19:48,083 --> 01:19:51,053
The studio musician of 1999
should...
1533
01:19:51,053 --> 01:19:52,653
If they don't play all the time,
1534
01:19:52,655 --> 01:19:54,655
they should do what
we never had to,
1535
01:19:54,657 --> 01:19:55,957
to study.
1536
01:19:55,958 --> 01:19:58,288
All the time you were studying,
while you were being paid.
1537
01:19:58,294 --> 01:19:59,999
It's funny. Earl and me
we used to say sometime
1538
01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:02,662
...you couldn't judge someone
from how much he worked,
1539
01:20:02,665 --> 01:20:05,225
because everyone was working
continuously.
1540
01:20:05,566 --> 01:20:07,866
You should have seen from the drink
job rejects.
1541
01:20:07,870 --> 01:20:10,640
Most of us
we were lucky to find each other
1542
01:20:10,639 --> 01:20:14,600
in the beginnings of rock and roll.
1543
01:20:14,601 --> 01:20:16,907
For the record.. I got more
money playing rock and roll,
1544
01:20:16,912 --> 01:20:18,282
than I ever got
playing jazz.
1545
01:20:18,280 --> 01:20:20,750
There was a time,
in the mid-60s
1546
01:20:20,749 --> 01:20:23,719
that I was making more money
by the President of the United States.
1547
01:20:23,719 --> 01:20:25,519
- I remember I was joking
to Carol. I was saying
1548
01:20:25,521 --> 01:20:28,821
"You realize, Carol,
if i got a divorce and you...
1549
01:20:28,824 --> 01:20:31,794
We could get married
and what money we will lose.
1550
01:20:31,794 --> 01:20:33,364
With your own money
and mine,
1551
01:20:33,362 --> 01:20:34,902
...we would kill them all.”
1552
01:20:34,897 --> 01:20:36,757
- And each other.
1553
01:20:41,669 --> 01:20:43,739
Here we did Sinatra,
1554
01:20:43,739 --> 01:20:45,169
the Dean Martin,
1555
01:20:45,174 --> 01:20:46,444
Sammy Davis Jr.
1556
01:20:46,442 --> 01:20:49,512
We did them all in there.
1557
01:20:49,511 --> 01:20:52,981
It's an awesome place.
1558
01:20:52,981 --> 01:20:54,721
In my case,
1559
01:20:54,717 --> 01:20:58,317
I bought an amazing one
mansion in Hollywood.
1560
01:20:58,320 --> 01:21:00,990
I had a magnificent yacht.
1561
01:21:00,989 --> 01:21:02,719
I had a wonderful Rolls Royce.
1562
01:21:02,725 --> 01:21:05,985
But, out of nowhere, I had one
husband who suddenly
1563
01:21:05,994 --> 01:21:07,734
declared, "I want a divorce."
1564
01:21:07,730 --> 01:21:10,060
"What? But what are you saying now?
1565
01:21:10,065 --> 01:21:13,095
I went for a sandwich and…”
1566
01:21:13,102 --> 01:21:15,502
It's impossible to believe.
1567
01:21:15,504 --> 01:21:17,704
And to repay her,
1568
01:21:17,706 --> 01:21:20,106
you sell everything you have.
1569
01:21:20,109 --> 01:21:23,379
I had 170 gold records.
1570
01:21:23,379 --> 01:21:25,909
I had to sell them all.
1571
01:21:25,914 --> 01:21:29,024
The house was sold in 1/3
of its value.
1572
01:21:29,017 --> 01:21:32,587
I also had to give the yacht away.
The yacht was impounded.
1573
01:21:32,588 --> 01:21:36,418
It has never been confiscated from me
nothing in my life
1574
01:21:36,425 --> 01:21:40,455
It's a shame to be exterminated
so seriously
1575
01:21:40,462 --> 01:21:42,762
I was working with him
John Denver,
1576
01:21:42,765 --> 01:21:46,625
about 5k a week
for almost 10 years,
1577
01:21:46,635 --> 01:21:49,035
and suddenly, her
work is over.
1578
01:21:49,037 --> 01:21:51,367
Terrible, terrible thing to
one passes it.
1579
01:21:51,373 --> 01:21:54,343
I mean, it's...
You are definitely there
1580
01:21:54,343 --> 01:21:56,213
in the sphere of suicide,
1581
01:21:56,211 --> 01:21:59,281
you certainly think so.
1582
01:21:59,281 --> 01:22:02,521
I was working at
Scottsdale, Arizona
1583
01:22:02,518 --> 01:22:05,088
and I was a security guard,
1584
01:22:05,087 --> 01:22:06,917
simply.
1585
01:22:06,922 --> 01:22:09,892
Here's where I found myself from...
all this money
1586
01:22:09,892 --> 01:22:12,762
and the magnificent mansion
and all the concomitants,
1587
01:22:12,761 --> 01:22:15,561
and completely suddenly
I limited myself
1588
01:22:15,564 --> 01:22:18,304
living in a closet
1589
01:22:18,300 --> 01:22:21,870
I came out about 23
rooms in Hollywood.
1590
01:22:21,870 --> 01:22:24,400
And it was like the end of the world.
1591
01:22:33,347 --> 01:22:35,217
That was the Gold Star.
1592
01:22:35,217 --> 01:22:37,717
So that's it.
That's what was left.
1593
01:22:37,719 --> 01:22:39,549
And it was a great time,
1594
01:22:39,555 --> 01:22:41,555
and that was it
historical place
1595
01:22:41,557 --> 01:22:44,257
They had a lot of first-timers
who made great hits,
1596
01:22:44,259 --> 01:22:46,159
who came here and did
their records.
1597
01:22:46,161 --> 01:22:49,361
Opposite, we recorded them
The Captain and Tennille
1598
01:22:49,364 --> 01:22:52,704
with Love Will Keep Us
Together
1599
01:22:52,701 --> 01:22:54,471
Even if they became No1,
1600
01:22:54,470 --> 01:22:58,210
was the record of the year,
that year.
1601
01:22:58,207 --> 01:23:01,037
It was my last
record of the year.
1602
01:23:21,730 --> 01:23:26,870
In L.A., I heard that things
they were starting to suck again...
1603
01:23:26,869 --> 01:23:29,799
you know '82, '83
somewhere there
1604
01:23:29,805 --> 01:23:32,665
And then I started to
I have some phonecalls
1605
01:23:32,674 --> 01:23:36,784
and suddenly, I was working again.
1606
01:23:36,778 --> 01:23:39,648
It was a top moment
when I was introduced to
1607
01:23:39,648 --> 01:23:41,648
Rock and Roll
Hall of Fame
1608
01:23:41,650 --> 01:23:43,650
So in the year 2000,
1609
01:23:43,652 --> 01:23:46,992
me and Earl Palmer
we entered.
1610
01:23:46,989 --> 01:23:50,059
You know, Earl was... I don't have
words to thank him.
1611
01:23:50,058 --> 01:23:52,288
Earl recommending me
at the beginning,
1612
01:23:52,294 --> 01:23:57,364
that's how I made a name. It was
really that simple.
1613
01:23:57,366 --> 01:24:01,026
You know, I've always said...
1614
01:24:01,036 --> 01:24:05,306
if you love your job,
then it's not work
1615
01:24:05,307 --> 01:24:07,567
do you know We loved her
our work, my dear.
1616
01:24:07,576 --> 01:24:09,336
That's why we could
we work day and night,
1617
01:24:09,344 --> 01:24:12,054
because we loved her.
1618
01:24:20,422 --> 01:24:21,762
I will never forget a recording
1619
01:24:21,757 --> 01:24:23,917
that we all did together
with Don Costa.
1620
01:24:23,926 --> 01:24:27,226
And I started playing rhythm
and he stopped and said,
1621
01:24:27,229 --> 01:24:29,159
"Glen, you have the first guitar here."
1622
01:24:29,164 --> 01:24:31,064
And, man, I said...
1623
01:24:31,066 --> 01:24:32,966
I said, "Mr. Costa,
I can't read notes."
1624
01:24:32,968 --> 01:24:34,828
And he says, “Hey, you know her
the tune, right?"
1625
01:24:34,836 --> 01:24:36,566
And I say, "Yes."
He says, "Well, then...
1626
01:24:36,572 --> 01:24:38,972
That's the tune."
I'm like, "Oh, OK, great."
1627
01:24:38,974 --> 01:24:41,074
He asked Tedesco,
“How's that shape going,
1628
01:24:41,076 --> 01:24:43,106
or the other shape," you know?
- Right, exactly.
1629
01:24:43,111 --> 01:24:45,711
And then he was also sitting
he was working on it.
1630
01:24:45,714 --> 01:24:49,224
And we made the records and
she was always perfect.
1631
01:24:49,217 --> 01:24:52,217
- Yes. Well, he had a specific one
thing he offered
1632
01:24:52,220 --> 01:24:53,290
that they wanted.
1633
01:24:53,288 --> 01:24:56,788
- Great ear and great
dexterity on the instrument.
1634
01:24:56,792 --> 01:24:59,192
Glen was thinking
great ideas,
1635
01:24:59,194 --> 01:25:01,164
and his solos were super.
1636
01:25:01,163 --> 01:25:03,133
And then suddenly, it is
star of the song.
1637
01:25:03,131 --> 01:25:05,671
Well, she was always singing.
We made fun of him,
1638
01:25:05,667 --> 01:25:07,297
"Oops, he's up and singing now,."
1639
01:25:07,302 --> 01:25:10,102
he's going to be a big star."
But he became a big star.
1640
01:25:14,343 --> 01:25:15,583
Good evening, ladies and gentlemen.
1641
01:25:15,577 --> 01:25:17,377
I'm Glen Campbell.
1642
01:25:17,379 --> 01:25:19,049
I was mixing, actually
on the first disc.
1643
01:25:19,047 --> 01:25:21,077
That record that
did at the capitol...
1644
01:25:21,083 --> 01:25:22,223
I did the mixing
on this disc.
1645
01:25:22,217 --> 01:25:24,677
And it was a big surprise
when I saw him enter
1646
01:25:24,686 --> 01:25:26,546
and say, "I sing
on this record, you will…”
1647
01:25:26,555 --> 01:25:27,615
you know...
1648
01:25:27,623 --> 01:25:29,563
And the record was a success,
1649
01:25:29,558 --> 01:25:32,258
and that's how the vocal started
his career.
1650
01:25:32,260 --> 01:25:35,730
And when he came out and became a star
of the song,
1651
01:25:35,731 --> 01:25:38,031
guess who he called
to support him?
1652
01:25:38,033 --> 01:25:40,003
- Right, yes.
- We were all there for him.
1653
01:25:40,002 --> 01:25:42,602
I remember Tedesco
to play in...
1654
01:25:42,604 --> 01:25:44,604
I forget which one it was.
1655
01:25:44,606 --> 01:25:47,066
He says, “You're still talking to
us proletarians?"
1656
01:25:48,944 --> 01:25:51,884
I say, "To some."
1657
01:25:51,880 --> 01:25:54,210
But it was great to have them
guys for the recordings.
1658
01:25:54,216 --> 01:25:57,746
I knew who they were
good players.
1659
01:25:57,753 --> 01:26:01,153
We were playing Wichita Lineman,
had a chord.
1660
01:26:01,156 --> 01:26:03,416
Δε νομίζω να είχε κανένα
part written.
1661
01:26:03,417 --> 01:26:06,927
She thought of...
1662
01:26:06,928 --> 01:26:09,558
you know He says,
“How about this for a start
1663
01:26:09,564 --> 01:26:11,464
at Wichita Lineman?"
She thought about it.
1664
01:26:27,549 --> 01:26:29,819
Glen Campbell was a guitarist,
1665
01:26:29,818 --> 01:26:31,948
I had this too
Dano bass guitar
1666
01:26:31,953 --> 01:26:35,193
which had special magnets
and bridge and overstrings
1667
01:26:35,190 --> 01:26:37,390
and he really had one
nice.. original sound.
1668
01:26:37,392 --> 01:26:40,232
And he took it and did it
his solo with it.
1669
01:26:40,228 --> 01:26:41,388
It was great.
1670
01:26:47,969 --> 01:26:51,139
I heard the Wichita Lineman
in a pharmacy once
1671
01:26:51,139 --> 01:26:53,109
and i cried
1672
01:26:53,108 --> 01:26:56,038
cause that part meant
a lot for me.
1673
01:27:11,159 --> 01:27:12,929
I did all those things
first by Glen Campbell,
1674
01:27:12,928 --> 01:27:16,028
everything... until
the Southern Nights,
1675
01:27:16,031 --> 01:27:18,331
when he changed producers
and I did nothing else.
1676
01:27:18,333 --> 01:27:21,433
Glen at the time was trying to...
to write... with his own band.
1677
01:27:21,436 --> 01:27:24,036
I'm sitting at Martoni
one night there in Hollywood,
1678
01:27:24,039 --> 01:27:27,539
and Steve Turner, his drummer,
goes inside.
1679
01:27:27,542 --> 01:27:30,482
And he says, “You won't believe it
what just happened."
1680
01:27:30,479 --> 01:27:32,349
"What;" And he tells me,
"I come from
1681
01:27:32,347 --> 01:27:35,517
recording with Glen, and
we try to make a splash
1682
01:27:35,517 --> 01:27:37,547
to play a little decent
rhythm guitar."
1683
01:27:37,552 --> 01:27:42,162
And Glen says, “Here, show me this
big, full Al Casey sound."
1684
01:27:42,157 --> 01:27:44,987
I say, “He knows I am
available tonight?"
1685
01:27:44,993 --> 01:27:46,493
you know But I understand
1686
01:27:46,495 --> 01:27:48,125
was trying to use
his own band.
1687
01:27:48,130 --> 01:27:49,600
But when they start to
things like this happen
1688
01:27:49,598 --> 01:27:52,428
it's... it's a sign.
1689
01:27:52,434 --> 01:27:55,874
I think many of us felt that
this could go on forever.
1690
01:27:55,871 --> 01:27:57,971
And that was the first
big shock
1691
01:27:57,973 --> 01:28:01,113
for many of us who
we had setbacks in ourcareer
1692
01:28:01,109 --> 01:28:03,579
and we realized that,
"It has its ups and downs
1693
01:28:03,578 --> 01:28:05,848
up and down it, this thing."
1694
01:28:05,847 --> 01:28:08,077
Athletes seem to
they have a ten-year period
1695
01:28:08,083 --> 01:28:10,283
which then everything happens.
1696
01:28:10,285 --> 01:28:12,385
So what you have
is the rise
1697
01:28:12,387 --> 01:28:15,657
you have ten good years
and you also have the descent.
1698
01:28:15,657 --> 01:28:17,717
And the trick is to
you make the descent
1699
01:28:17,726 --> 01:28:20,686
to last as long as possible
you can
1700
01:28:20,695 --> 01:28:22,355
Who would hire me?
at my age then,
1701
01:28:22,364 --> 01:28:23,804
join a rock band?
1702
01:28:23,799 --> 01:28:25,429
They didn't do that anymore,
1703
01:28:25,433 --> 01:28:28,173
because now the rockets
they made their own material.
1704
01:28:28,170 --> 01:28:29,570
And they wrote, as they always did,
1705
01:28:29,571 --> 01:28:32,341
but they could also
to play them.
1706
01:28:32,340 --> 01:28:35,610
As Dylan said, "The times,
they are a-changing."
1707
01:28:35,610 --> 01:28:37,180
"Times are changing."
they just changed.
1708
01:28:37,179 --> 01:28:39,909
New game, new way.
1709
01:28:39,915 --> 01:28:41,945
- I don't think it was
conscious decision
1710
01:28:41,950 --> 01:28:44,380
that, you know, these musicians
they play a certain way
1711
01:28:44,386 --> 01:28:47,746
and now we better find
more modern.
1712
01:28:47,756 --> 01:28:49,686
In my case, it had
to do with the artist,
1713
01:28:49,691 --> 01:28:51,521
or whom he brought with him
the artist.
1714
01:28:51,526 --> 01:28:52,886
In the case of Carole King,
1715
01:28:52,894 --> 01:28:54,764
brought one with her
rhythm section.
1716
01:28:54,763 --> 01:28:57,203
Brought James Taylor
on the guitar.
1717
01:28:57,199 --> 01:28:59,069
I think the bands
they learned to play.
1718
01:28:59,067 --> 01:29:01,267
It was more important for the
public to know that
1719
01:29:01,269 --> 01:29:04,869
the bands were actually playing
the music.
1720
01:29:04,873 --> 01:29:06,773
You had these groups
that appeared
1721
01:29:06,775 --> 01:29:09,175
in the late 60s
and the '70...
1722
01:29:09,177 --> 01:29:11,977
The Buffalo Springfield who
became Crosby, Stills and Nash.
1723
01:29:11,980 --> 01:29:14,280
And that was all
autonomous group that,
1724
01:29:14,282 --> 01:29:16,852
most of the time, never
they did not use studio musicians.
1725
01:29:16,852 --> 01:29:18,182
And these things became huge.
1726
01:29:18,186 --> 01:29:20,886
And there they really became a lot
great album artists.
1727
01:29:20,889 --> 01:29:23,259
Well, it had a huge impact and...
1728
01:29:23,258 --> 01:29:26,258
you know, the artists that were
singers/songwriters
1729
01:29:26,261 --> 01:29:28,931
became very important
for people.
1730
01:29:28,930 --> 01:29:32,670
They started asking for bands
who were playing their own material.
1731
01:29:32,667 --> 01:29:35,497
It had a great effect on
session musicians.
1732
01:29:35,503 --> 01:29:37,473
I had already escaped, then.
1733
01:29:37,472 --> 01:29:39,342
We all went inside
1734
01:29:39,341 --> 01:29:42,781
knowing that he could
to stop at any time.
1735
01:29:42,777 --> 01:29:44,337
It wouldn't last forever.
1736
01:29:44,346 --> 01:29:47,046
It was just like one
magic bubble
1737
01:29:47,048 --> 01:29:49,648
which somehow...
1738
01:29:49,651 --> 01:29:51,821
inflate for a moment...
1739
01:29:51,820 --> 01:29:54,390
hovered for a while...
1740
01:29:54,389 --> 01:29:58,589
Hal plays in 7 straight
records of the year.
1741
01:29:58,593 --> 01:30:00,963
Seven consecutive...
1742
01:30:00,962 --> 01:30:03,702
and then the bubble... poof!
It pops.
1743
01:30:03,698 --> 01:30:05,428
They are young people,
it is a new regime.
1744
01:30:05,433 --> 01:30:08,403
We entered a specific one
period, when we were all new.
1745
01:30:08,403 --> 01:30:11,003
All new people
they come in now
1746
01:30:11,006 --> 01:30:13,736
who are new...
young, alive,
1747
01:30:13,742 --> 01:30:16,812
they play the sound of today.
It's that simple.
1748
01:30:44,406 --> 01:30:46,636
As the recordings with
the Wrecking Crew dwindled,
1749
01:30:46,641 --> 01:30:50,011
my father was one of them
luckier musicians.
1750
01:30:50,011 --> 01:30:52,311
Its flexibility, in combination
with his ability to
1751
01:30:52,314 --> 01:30:55,424
01:31:13,028
In the 70s, the father
he started playing with me
1760
01:31:13,034 --> 01:31:15,034
for his own pleasure.
1761
01:31:15,036 --> 01:31:18,336
It was the first time
I remember seeing him
1762
01:31:18,340 --> 01:31:20,610
home with the guitar
1763
01:31:20,608 --> 01:31:22,738
He started doing seminars
1764
01:31:22,744 --> 01:31:24,884
and that was what made him
he was very pleased.
1765
01:31:24,879 --> 01:31:26,349
He was flying all over the country.
1766
01:31:26,348 --> 01:31:30,178
And he arranged his seminars
on weekends,
1767
01:31:30,185 --> 01:31:32,315
so it can be home
in the week...
1768
01:31:32,320 --> 01:31:34,120
in case it falls
no phone calls.
1769
01:31:34,122 --> 01:31:35,762
Let me show you
what I call
1770
01:31:35,757 --> 01:31:37,817
"creative studio guitarist"
1771
01:31:37,826 --> 01:31:39,456
About a year ago,
1772
01:31:39,461 --> 01:31:42,031
they called me to do
an emergency for John Denver.
1773
01:31:42,030 --> 01:31:44,560
It was John Denver in Mexico,
1774
01:31:44,566 --> 01:31:46,466
and they wanted some...
He was on a fishing boat,
1775
01:31:46,468 --> 01:31:48,938
and they wanted some Mexican
music, so I played them this:
1776
01:32:07,721 --> 01:32:09,521
They take me to be theirs
Charlie's Angels.
1777
01:32:09,524 --> 01:32:11,564
He was in Puerto Rico. They wanted to
puerto rican music,
1778
01:32:21,536 --> 01:32:24,136
In Starsky and Hutch
was in a great rebellion
1779
01:32:24,139 --> 01:32:25,639
in Bolivia, in an outbreak.
1780
01:32:25,640 --> 01:32:26,870
They wanted Bolivian music.
1781
01:32:36,051 --> 01:32:40,091
In 1975, my father, in the havale,
wrote a piece called
1782
01:32:40,088 --> 01:32:43,218
Requiem for a Studio Guitarist.
1783
01:32:43,219 --> 01:32:47,537
♪ I used to be #1 ♪
1784
01:32:51,538 --> 01:32:56,537
♪ I used to do them all
jobs in L.A. ♪
1785
01:32:56,538 --> 01:32:58,438
He was always looking to go one
anecdote a little further.
1786
01:32:58,440 --> 01:33:01,940
01:34:07,406
he said to me, “You know, the
stroke came
1807
01:34:07,408 --> 01:34:09,708
the right time in my life."
1808
01:34:09,711 --> 01:34:11,811
I know exactly what he meant.
1809
01:34:11,813 --> 01:34:13,483
The phone had stopped ringing,
1810
01:34:13,481 --> 01:34:15,881
and his days as king
of the Los Angeles sessions
1811
01:34:15,884 --> 01:34:17,654
they had reached their end.
1812
01:34:17,652 --> 01:34:21,922
01:34:38,537
that soon it will
were taking his place,
1820
01:34:38,540 --> 01:34:41,670
as he also took the position
someone 40 years ago.
1821
01:36:42,229 --> 01:36:43,999
I like it!
1822
01:37:09,357 --> 01:37:11,517
This is the moment when
we all waited.
1823
01:37:11,526 --> 01:37:14,986
With 30 points,
the winner for today is...
1824
01:37:15,997 --> 01:37:18,257
...Tommy Tedesco!
1825
01:38:04,258 --> 01:38:09,320
Thanks to everyone who contributed.
You made it possible!
1826
01:38:09,410 --> 01:38:14,409
(In the end it's crazy
anecdote from Hal Blaine.)
1827
01:41:28,521 --> 01:41:34,520
Many thanks to my children,
Isabella, Rafael and Tommy
1828
01:41:34,521 --> 01:41:36,261
What is the trombonist's name?
1829
01:41:36,257 --> 01:41:38,317
which has a buzzer?
1830
01:41:38,326 --> 01:41:39,956
...OPTIMISTIC...
1831
01:41:40,000 --> 01:41:43,550
No musicians were injured
during the movie,
1832
01:41:43,551 --> 01:41:46,551
and was not used
NEVER a drum machine.
1833
01:41:46,598 --> 01:41:49,598
subtitle translation
torrentoula ♫