1 00:00:10,299 --> 00:00:12,340 There's this huge vortex. 2 00:00:13,120 --> 00:00:14,860 It's this dark hole. 3 00:00:16,059 --> 00:00:18,520 This area is not healthy for the living. 4 00:00:19,240 --> 00:00:22,520 I'm afraid that she's going to end up dead. 5 00:00:23,140 --> 00:00:28,140 I was at the top of the stairs, and I felt two hands just push me. 6 00:00:28,380 --> 00:00:29,380 You're in a lot of trouble here. 7 00:00:29,780 --> 00:00:32,840 Like feeling somebody getting smacked on the face. 8 00:00:35,720 --> 00:00:40,240 It could become more and more violent, so that could cause death. 9 00:00:40,620 --> 00:00:41,640 Have a minute. 10 00:00:42,340 --> 00:00:45,420 It's always been negative. This is bad. 11 00:00:47,520 --> 00:00:49,140 It wants the person dead. 12 00:00:49,460 --> 00:00:51,000 My name is Amy Allen. 13 00:00:51,560 --> 00:00:54,860 I see dead people. I saw a winged creature. 14 00:00:55,460 --> 00:00:59,120 I speak to dead people, and they speak to me. 15 00:00:59,960 --> 00:01:01,840 This person feels like a monster. 16 00:01:02,140 --> 00:01:04,940 But there's only one way to know if my findings are real. 17 00:01:05,160 --> 00:01:08,220 They are sucking the life out of these people. 18 00:01:08,840 --> 00:01:10,380 I rely on my partner. 19 00:01:10,640 --> 00:01:13,860 I'm Steve DeShop. I'm a retired New York City homicide detective. 20 00:01:14,180 --> 00:01:19,100 So how many bodies are we talking? And I know every person, every house as 21 00:01:19,100 --> 00:01:23,760 secrets. It's my job to reveal them. But Steve and I never speak. We never 22 00:01:23,760 --> 00:01:26,760 communicate during an investigation. Until the very end. 23 00:01:27,180 --> 00:01:28,320 I'm not going to like this. 24 00:01:28,910 --> 00:01:32,850 When we uncover if it's safe for you to stay. I'm sorry, I need to take a break. 25 00:01:33,570 --> 00:01:37,450 Or time to get out. It wants inside the house because it wants to kill you. 26 00:01:51,770 --> 00:01:54,950 So, I'm in Wilmington, North Carolina on the Cape Fear coast. 27 00:01:55,420 --> 00:01:58,400 She used to be a good name for this place because I got a call from a 28 00:01:58,480 --> 00:01:59,480 Deb and Elaine. 29 00:01:59,600 --> 00:02:01,580 They are scared out of their minds. 30 00:02:02,540 --> 00:02:08,320 Whatever the entity or entities that are in our house are affecting our health 31 00:02:08,320 --> 00:02:09,979 and our safety. 32 00:02:10,639 --> 00:02:12,840 It's like attacking us. 33 00:02:14,080 --> 00:02:18,700 So if you would please help us, we have nowhere else to turn. 34 00:02:20,260 --> 00:02:23,720 Deb says Amy and I are her last chance. We can't help. 35 00:02:24,080 --> 00:02:25,720 It won't be long before she's a widow. 36 00:02:33,480 --> 00:02:35,700 There's this huge vortex. 37 00:02:36,880 --> 00:02:39,520 Like it's this dark hole. 38 00:02:40,660 --> 00:02:43,340 This vortex messes with the living. 39 00:02:44,520 --> 00:02:50,200 So the people can get lost in what's real and what's manipulation. 40 00:02:55,540 --> 00:02:57,800 This area is not healthy for the living. 41 00:03:00,780 --> 00:03:01,780 Deb, 42 00:03:07,340 --> 00:03:11,340 I know when we spoke on the phone, you were desperate and needed our help. But 43 00:03:11,340 --> 00:03:12,980 can tell you, driving up here, this place is beautiful. 44 00:03:13,400 --> 00:03:16,140 I mean, your home should be in a magazine somewhere. 45 00:03:16,840 --> 00:03:18,060 What's it like living in this house? 46 00:03:18,320 --> 00:03:22,160 We are just living through hell at this point. 47 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:24,460 And I'm so... 48 00:03:25,130 --> 00:03:28,010 Worried about my wife being hurt. 49 00:03:28,750 --> 00:03:31,950 I'm afraid that she's going to end up dead. 50 00:03:32,330 --> 00:03:35,930 Why you think whatever's here is going after Elaine? Do you have any thoughts 51 00:03:35,930 --> 00:03:36,809 that? 52 00:03:36,810 --> 00:03:42,490 I think she's more open to the spiritual world. 53 00:03:42,830 --> 00:03:46,030 On the phone, you said Elaine used to be a cop and a firefighter, right? 54 00:03:46,410 --> 00:03:49,010 Yes. Okay, so was it just the two of you living here? 55 00:03:49,230 --> 00:03:50,430 Yes, it was just us. 56 00:03:50,910 --> 00:03:54,010 Well, you look happy in this photo. When we're away from the house, we are. 57 00:03:54,840 --> 00:03:56,280 Okay, how long have you guys been together? 58 00:03:56,660 --> 00:03:58,680 We've been together almost 20 years. 59 00:03:59,080 --> 00:04:02,500 So how long have you lived here, though? Almost five years. Almost five years. 60 00:04:02,640 --> 00:04:06,980 Okay. So, Deb, I'm obviously going to do my investigation on the home and the 61 00:04:06,980 --> 00:04:09,400 property. Is there anything that you can tell me that could help my 62 00:04:09,400 --> 00:04:14,280 investigation? Well, the previous owners that we bought the home from had a son 63 00:04:14,280 --> 00:04:19,380 who was murdered here in town. He lived here for a period of time. 64 00:04:19,760 --> 00:04:21,360 Okay, I'm going to look into that, obviously. 65 00:04:22,440 --> 00:04:25,480 All right, so Deb, do me a favor and give me a list of what you guys are 66 00:04:25,480 --> 00:04:27,920 through. Well, we hear voices. 67 00:04:28,820 --> 00:04:31,180 We have seen shadow figures. 68 00:04:32,360 --> 00:04:34,440 It's become more aggressive. 69 00:04:35,900 --> 00:04:41,040 And I really feel that it's trying to kill Elaine at this point. 70 00:04:41,820 --> 00:04:43,980 It's depleting her life force. 71 00:04:44,300 --> 00:04:47,160 It's definitely affecting her and her health. 72 00:04:47,480 --> 00:04:50,400 All right, so what do you mean when you say it's sucking out her life force? 73 00:04:50,880 --> 00:04:56,710 About... 3 o 'clock in the afternoon, she's just exhausted, and she has to go 74 00:04:56,710 --> 00:04:57,710 lay down. 75 00:04:57,770 --> 00:05:00,350 Is what's going on here causing you guys to fight at all? 76 00:05:00,970 --> 00:05:02,830 Elaine says that, for sure. 77 00:05:03,170 --> 00:05:05,790 So what makes you think that's something paranormal? It's just not like couple 78 00:05:05,790 --> 00:05:11,270 stuff. When we leave and go on vacation, it's completely different. 79 00:05:12,250 --> 00:05:16,390 That's why I'm saying I think we're at least influenced by something here. 80 00:05:16,810 --> 00:05:20,170 Your wife is basically being destroyed slowly. 81 00:05:21,320 --> 00:05:23,220 And you're standing here watching it happen. 82 00:05:23,460 --> 00:05:24,460 That's devastating. 83 00:05:25,120 --> 00:05:26,420 So we got to fix this. 84 00:05:29,060 --> 00:05:31,740 I felt something following me. 85 00:05:33,600 --> 00:05:39,020 It didn't feel like a person. It just felt like a really dark energy. 86 00:05:40,140 --> 00:05:44,940 It's malevolent. You do feel watched and stalked by it. 87 00:05:45,840 --> 00:05:49,420 This dark energy is showing itself to me as a spider. 88 00:05:50,170 --> 00:05:53,870 And I think it can suck all of the life force out of everything. 89 00:05:54,930 --> 00:05:58,630 And I was looking around and it was like everything was dying. 90 00:06:02,130 --> 00:06:08,870 This dark, nasty presence can affect the living by, I believe, 91 00:06:09,070 --> 00:06:12,850 like basically draining their life energy. 92 00:06:13,350 --> 00:06:15,890 So that can make them very ill. 93 00:06:16,920 --> 00:06:23,780 Also, kind of intrusive thoughts, regret, remorse, depression, over 94 00:06:23,780 --> 00:06:24,940 and over and over again. 95 00:06:25,240 --> 00:06:31,720 And I hear somebody being like, yeah, it's always been dark there. It's always 96 00:06:31,720 --> 00:06:33,280 been negative. 97 00:06:39,660 --> 00:06:40,920 What's going on in here? 98 00:06:42,380 --> 00:06:45,280 I see shadow figures out of the corner of my eyes. 99 00:06:45,500 --> 00:06:46,500 Is it always down here? 100 00:06:46,900 --> 00:06:49,360 Usually in the entryway and stairway. 101 00:06:49,800 --> 00:06:51,380 Okay, so it's not in just one spot. 102 00:06:51,680 --> 00:06:55,700 Right. Could it be coming from outside? Because, you know, the road's out here. 103 00:06:55,740 --> 00:06:58,680 Is it possible that's happening? No, we don't have that much traffic. Let me 104 00:06:58,680 --> 00:06:59,680 shut the blinds. 105 00:06:59,820 --> 00:07:00,820 Okay, anything else? 106 00:07:01,040 --> 00:07:02,580 Things are moving on their own. 107 00:07:02,860 --> 00:07:04,020 Okay, so give me an example. 108 00:07:04,260 --> 00:07:09,760 A lot of times I'll come down in the morning and my pictures are moved. 109 00:07:10,160 --> 00:07:11,180 Is anything else moving? 110 00:07:11,610 --> 00:07:18,570 We have, like, little rocks that you can hear being picked up and put back 111 00:07:18,570 --> 00:07:22,950 on a mirror. So those are moving, and we'll get up, and they'll be moved. What 112 00:07:22,950 --> 00:07:23,829 room is this in? 113 00:07:23,830 --> 00:07:25,010 In the master bedroom. 114 00:07:25,370 --> 00:07:27,190 Sounds like whatever's here doesn't want you to sleep. 115 00:07:27,450 --> 00:07:28,710 Right. Okay. 116 00:07:31,850 --> 00:07:38,750 So, Senator, do you take the toll on the living, physical and mental and 117 00:07:38,750 --> 00:07:40,590 emotional, obviously, toll? 118 00:07:42,570 --> 00:07:49,010 The people who are living in it are feeling the sense that 119 00:07:49,010 --> 00:07:52,510 this isn't quite right. 120 00:07:52,910 --> 00:07:57,430 There's something wrong with their reality. 121 00:07:58,270 --> 00:08:04,990 What I want to understand is this dark thing that I know is like stalkerish and 122 00:08:04,990 --> 00:08:05,990 watch it. 123 00:08:08,330 --> 00:08:10,550 There's annoyance with it. 124 00:08:14,640 --> 00:08:16,340 okay, the pillows are all purty. 125 00:08:16,540 --> 00:08:21,040 And you come back and it's like, you know, this one's here like that. And 126 00:08:21,040 --> 00:08:24,080 like, no, no, no. I definitely have that pillow over there. 127 00:08:25,020 --> 00:08:29,620 All right, all right. And it's like constantly doing like that. 128 00:08:32,380 --> 00:08:34,760 And this thing likes the chaos. 129 00:08:41,419 --> 00:08:42,640 So what's going on in here? 130 00:08:43,630 --> 00:08:45,130 I felt the bed shake. 131 00:08:45,510 --> 00:08:47,470 Can you show me how hot it was when it happened? 132 00:08:47,830 --> 00:08:49,190 Sure. It was like this. 133 00:08:49,910 --> 00:08:51,070 Okay, so substantial. 134 00:08:51,490 --> 00:08:54,890 Yeah. Anything else physical like that happen? I've been touched. 135 00:08:55,350 --> 00:08:56,350 How? 136 00:08:56,790 --> 00:08:58,010 Across my jaw. 137 00:08:58,370 --> 00:09:03,890 And one time while I was standing in this bedroom, I felt like a force pull 138 00:09:03,890 --> 00:09:05,370 straight down my spine. 139 00:09:05,930 --> 00:09:06,829 How did you react? 140 00:09:06,830 --> 00:09:10,690 I like pulled my clothes off because I thought something was crawling on me. 141 00:09:11,210 --> 00:09:13,230 You mean like a spider or something? Yeah. 142 00:09:14,130 --> 00:09:15,009 What else? 143 00:09:15,010 --> 00:09:16,090 I've been choked. 144 00:09:17,010 --> 00:09:18,010 Choked? 145 00:09:18,110 --> 00:09:19,110 Explain what happened. 146 00:09:19,250 --> 00:09:20,250 I was sound asleep. 147 00:09:20,650 --> 00:09:25,470 Okay. And woken about 3 .15 in the morning, and it felt like there was 148 00:09:25,470 --> 00:09:29,970 something in my throat, and I was having a hard time breathing. 149 00:09:30,350 --> 00:09:31,870 So I had to freak you out a little bit. Yeah. 150 00:09:32,090 --> 00:09:34,290 I was quite scared. 151 00:09:35,150 --> 00:09:37,870 I know you're worried about your wife, but you're having some stuff happen to 152 00:09:37,870 --> 00:09:38,870 you. Yeah. 153 00:09:39,390 --> 00:09:40,410 Hopefully we can get something. 154 00:09:40,840 --> 00:09:42,600 figure it out and how to fix it. 155 00:09:44,680 --> 00:09:48,680 The dark energy, that spider -looking thing, it's everywhere. 156 00:09:51,080 --> 00:09:53,500 That thing is freaking them the fuck out. 157 00:09:54,820 --> 00:10:00,460 Someone is being touched and messed with here. I see a woman. 158 00:10:01,280 --> 00:10:02,640 She's not seeing anything. 159 00:10:02,920 --> 00:10:04,540 Just feeling the hands. 160 00:10:05,480 --> 00:10:08,980 And, like, grabbed, like, here, I'm thinking. 161 00:10:10,280 --> 00:10:11,920 And she's like yanking back. 162 00:10:12,820 --> 00:10:16,720 They're scared. They're scared. And they're having all of those experiences. 163 00:10:17,940 --> 00:10:21,160 Like feeling somebody getting smacked on the face. 164 00:10:21,520 --> 00:10:22,600 This is bad. 165 00:10:47,530 --> 00:10:51,010 So, Elaine, Deb told me that she thinks whatever he is trying to kill you. I 166 00:10:51,010 --> 00:10:52,150 mean, and you agree with that? 167 00:10:52,930 --> 00:10:53,930 I do. 168 00:10:53,970 --> 00:10:57,750 So talking to Deb and I asked her, you know, how your relationships are going 169 00:10:57,750 --> 00:11:00,490 because of all this. She said you guys are kind of fighting a little bit more 170 00:11:00,490 --> 00:11:02,010 than normal. A little bit. 171 00:11:03,410 --> 00:11:08,850 Oh, I'm ready to take a break and just drive on out the driveway. 172 00:11:09,210 --> 00:11:11,490 And you don't think it's just relationship stuff? 173 00:11:12,050 --> 00:11:15,050 No, no. We've been together for almost 19 years. 174 00:11:15,550 --> 00:11:18,970 So. Obviously, you've had experiences. Can you tell me about some of them? 175 00:11:19,550 --> 00:11:24,010 I've seen all kinds of shadow figures all over the house. 176 00:11:24,290 --> 00:11:25,410 Describe what you're seeing. 177 00:11:25,610 --> 00:11:28,870 Very tall shadow figures, maybe seven foot tall. 178 00:11:29,190 --> 00:11:30,290 Really? Yes. 179 00:11:30,530 --> 00:11:37,210 I saw one in my bedroom and it had legs and it moved from the closet 180 00:11:37,210 --> 00:11:43,790 area and it moved through the bed and just disappeared 181 00:11:43,790 --> 00:11:44,930 through the wall. 182 00:11:46,700 --> 00:11:49,860 So Elaine, when I was talking to Deb, she told me that you were a firefighter 183 00:11:49,860 --> 00:11:55,080 and a cop as well. I got to assume, like me, I've seen the worst of the worst, 184 00:11:55,160 --> 00:11:57,060 and I have PTSD from it. 185 00:11:57,300 --> 00:11:58,300 Yes. 186 00:11:58,760 --> 00:12:04,220 Do you think that whatever's happening to you here with the paranormal, the 187 00:12:04,220 --> 00:12:05,220 is getting triggered? 188 00:12:05,500 --> 00:12:09,860 No. You don't? No. I can tell the difference between the two. 189 00:12:10,160 --> 00:12:14,780 Okay. I don't have an explanation for what's happening. It sounds like it's 190 00:12:14,780 --> 00:12:15,780 trying to drive you guys crazy. 191 00:12:16,170 --> 00:12:19,310 It is. I feel like I'm going crazy with it. 192 00:12:21,630 --> 00:12:26,670 So somebody has seen a figure. 193 00:12:28,390 --> 00:12:32,150 And it is this dark energy. 194 00:12:34,890 --> 00:12:36,830 So they've seen a form. 195 00:12:37,130 --> 00:12:38,190 That's interesting. 196 00:12:38,930 --> 00:12:40,890 This living person was raped. 197 00:12:42,190 --> 00:12:44,170 They're actually kind of creating. 198 00:12:45,490 --> 00:12:49,570 A person out of this energy. And that's pretty interesting. 199 00:12:52,370 --> 00:12:57,050 So this person created a shadow figure that looks like their attacker. 200 00:12:57,670 --> 00:12:58,790 What is it they're seeing? 201 00:12:59,130 --> 00:13:00,750 This is a young male. 202 00:13:01,710 --> 00:13:02,770 Short hair. 203 00:13:04,150 --> 00:13:08,690 Like a professional aura. Like someone who's like 9 to 5. 204 00:13:08,950 --> 00:13:10,150 Clean cut. 205 00:13:10,490 --> 00:13:13,150 They've actually given it like a... 206 00:13:14,280 --> 00:13:21,240 existence in like a shape it's become kind of physical in a way 207 00:13:21,240 --> 00:13:26,540 obviously they must have some kind of ability 208 00:13:26,540 --> 00:13:32,020 okay shadow figures we got that what else are you experiencing i was sitting 209 00:13:32,020 --> 00:13:38,000 watching tv one night on the couch and i felt a really bad burning sensation on 210 00:13:38,000 --> 00:13:42,730 my back okay what was it Well, I asked Deb to look at it because I thought that 211 00:13:42,730 --> 00:13:49,070 something had bit me, and she lifted my shirt up, and this is what 212 00:13:49,070 --> 00:13:51,070 she saw. 213 00:13:54,270 --> 00:13:55,690 And this just came out of nowhere? 214 00:13:55,990 --> 00:13:58,710 Out of nowhere, and it hurt for a long time. 215 00:13:59,290 --> 00:14:00,290 All right. Anything else? 216 00:14:00,790 --> 00:14:06,870 I was at the top of the stairs, and I felt two hands on my back, and it was a 217 00:14:06,870 --> 00:14:07,870 pretty hard shove. 218 00:14:08,220 --> 00:14:13,080 I reached around and grabbed the handrail with both hands. 219 00:14:13,660 --> 00:14:19,100 And if I hadn't have, I would have went straight down the stairs. 220 00:14:19,820 --> 00:14:21,740 Obviously, if you would have fell, you could have broke your neck. 221 00:14:22,180 --> 00:14:24,640 It would have busted my head wide open. 222 00:14:24,840 --> 00:14:28,420 You know, as tough as you are and all your background, I'm surprised you 223 00:14:28,420 --> 00:14:30,340 run the hell out of here because I think I might have ran out. 224 00:14:31,680 --> 00:14:32,800 Okay, anything else? 225 00:14:33,400 --> 00:14:36,420 Since we've moved in, my health. 226 00:14:36,810 --> 00:14:38,310 has completely went downhill. 227 00:14:38,650 --> 00:14:41,050 You know, when I spoke to Deb earlier, she mentioned that. 228 00:14:41,970 --> 00:14:43,310 Explain to me what's going on with you. 229 00:14:43,590 --> 00:14:45,230 I stay tired all the time. 230 00:14:45,550 --> 00:14:46,550 Sounds like depression. 231 00:14:46,830 --> 00:14:49,490 I know, and I'm not, I don't feel depressed. 232 00:14:50,110 --> 00:14:51,110 Do you feel abused? 233 00:14:51,530 --> 00:14:53,870 I do, by something that I cannot see. 234 00:14:54,530 --> 00:14:55,630 You're in a lot of trouble here. 235 00:14:55,890 --> 00:14:56,970 This has got to stop. 236 00:15:01,590 --> 00:15:04,610 What kind of effect would all this have on somebody that spends a lot of time 237 00:15:04,610 --> 00:15:11,000 here? This dark energy, I think, being exposed to it could make you sick 238 00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:13,220 because it killed. 239 00:15:13,780 --> 00:15:17,300 It was killing, just sucking the life out of everything. 240 00:15:23,280 --> 00:15:30,240 It's sucking the life out of people, feeling off constantly, never 241 00:15:30,240 --> 00:15:31,800 feeling quite right. 242 00:15:33,840 --> 00:15:38,400 questioning your sanity, questioning your reality. 243 00:15:43,940 --> 00:15:48,720 Obviously, there's physical interaction with this thing as well, which is 244 00:15:48,720 --> 00:15:55,180 dangerous and traumatizing. I think that they could get very ill, if not even 245 00:15:55,180 --> 00:15:56,180 die. 246 00:16:10,100 --> 00:16:13,780 So one of the first calls I made when I got to town was to a local professor 247 00:16:13,780 --> 00:16:14,860 who's helped me out before. 248 00:16:15,580 --> 00:16:19,380 She tells me one of the earliest owners of Devin and Elaine's property had 249 00:16:19,380 --> 00:16:22,620 nothing but heartbreak from the second he set foot on the land. 250 00:16:29,940 --> 00:16:33,120 Well, Professor, it's good to see you again, and thanks for helping me out. 251 00:16:33,360 --> 00:16:33,979 No problem. 252 00:16:33,980 --> 00:16:37,700 So who was this early owner with all the bad luck you told me about? 253 00:16:38,010 --> 00:16:41,790 Well, his name was Luke Hill McClammy, and he was born in Wilmington in 1848. 254 00:16:42,090 --> 00:16:44,510 When did Luke wind up buying my client's property? 255 00:16:44,790 --> 00:16:49,310 Luke bought it in 1874, and he was just married. He and his wife, Mary, wanted 256 00:16:49,310 --> 00:16:50,510 to start a family at that point. 257 00:16:50,710 --> 00:16:53,650 So you told me he had nothing but heartbreak when he got onto my client's 258 00:16:53,650 --> 00:16:54,850 property. What happened? 259 00:16:55,190 --> 00:17:00,590 Five years after he bought the property, his first son, Worth McClammy, died in 260 00:17:00,590 --> 00:17:01,650 infancy. Okay. 261 00:17:01,850 --> 00:17:04,530 And then in 1880, there were two deaths. 262 00:17:04,890 --> 00:17:06,270 One was his daughter, Frances. 263 00:17:06,680 --> 00:17:10,420 And also, Luke's twin brother, David, died of unknown causes. 264 00:17:11,020 --> 00:17:13,440 Oh, jeez. This guy can't catch a break. 265 00:17:13,720 --> 00:17:14,859 No, he really can't. 266 00:17:15,859 --> 00:17:19,940 Luke's last remaining child, Julian, died at the age of 22. 267 00:17:20,460 --> 00:17:22,180 Do things ever get better for this guy? 268 00:17:22,440 --> 00:17:28,440 Only for about 12 years. And then in 1909, Luke's beloved wife, Mary, was 269 00:17:28,440 --> 00:17:32,480 outside in the morning feeding the chickens as she usually did, and she 270 00:17:32,480 --> 00:17:33,820 over dead from a heart attack. 271 00:17:35,080 --> 00:17:39,100 I mean, is anybody else alive in this family? No, he's totally alone. And he 272 00:17:39,100 --> 00:17:44,780 decides, having nobody left to give the property to, in 1913, he sold half of 273 00:17:44,780 --> 00:17:46,440 it. He sold the other half in 1918. 274 00:17:46,680 --> 00:17:51,300 And then exactly two months to the day after he signed the deed selling his 275 00:17:51,300 --> 00:17:53,260 property, Luke himself died. 276 00:17:54,980 --> 00:17:55,980 All right. 277 00:17:57,640 --> 00:18:00,600 Does that say the cause of death is exhaustion? 278 00:18:01,000 --> 00:18:01,679 It does. 279 00:18:01,680 --> 00:18:02,680 Exhaustion and anemia. 280 00:18:03,050 --> 00:18:05,570 He's certainly probably died from a broken heart as well. 281 00:18:05,790 --> 00:18:07,030 Wow, what a shame. 282 00:18:12,210 --> 00:18:19,070 This huge vortex, I believe, is somehow collecting dead 283 00:18:19,070 --> 00:18:20,070 people. 284 00:18:21,490 --> 00:18:28,290 This area has a lot of random dead people from, I believe, quite a 285 00:18:28,290 --> 00:18:29,510 long period of time. 286 00:18:30,280 --> 00:18:36,900 And so I do think it's a possibility that there may be, you know, 287 00:18:36,940 --> 00:18:38,720 dead coming and going. 288 00:18:43,500 --> 00:18:48,540 So far, I've got clients terrified that the dead are trying to rip them apart on 289 00:18:48,540 --> 00:18:52,140 a property where one of the first owners suffered nothing but heartbreaking 290 00:18:52,140 --> 00:18:53,140 tragedy. 291 00:18:53,680 --> 00:18:55,660 But I got to see if there's anything else. 292 00:18:57,720 --> 00:19:01,520 Searching through the archives, I found a freak storm that destroyed dozens of 293 00:19:01,520 --> 00:19:03,240 boats back in the late 1800s. 294 00:19:05,020 --> 00:19:07,480 But one boat just vanished into thin air. 295 00:19:07,800 --> 00:19:09,440 That is, until a few years ago. 296 00:19:12,500 --> 00:19:16,480 I reached out to a local historian who says I won't believe what happened to 297 00:19:16,480 --> 00:19:17,480 wreckage from that ship. 298 00:19:24,260 --> 00:19:26,480 So, Robert, I appreciate you helping me out with this case. 299 00:19:27,070 --> 00:19:28,290 So what can you tell me about this ship? 300 00:19:28,630 --> 00:19:33,150 The John S. Lee, it was originally built in 1859, and it probably looks 301 00:19:33,150 --> 00:19:34,150 something about like that. 302 00:19:34,390 --> 00:19:36,750 This is not the ship, but this is what it would look like. Exactly. 303 00:19:37,110 --> 00:19:40,550 All right, so we know the ship went down. When did it leave port for the 304 00:19:40,550 --> 00:19:43,730 time? Left Wilmington on April 11, 1877. 305 00:19:44,050 --> 00:19:46,590 It was headed to Venezuela with a cargo of lumber. 306 00:19:46,870 --> 00:19:48,850 What was the crew like? How many people on board? 307 00:19:49,050 --> 00:19:52,950 On board, typical schooner, you would have had a crew of six to eight men. 308 00:19:53,170 --> 00:19:54,610 All right, so what went wrong? 309 00:19:55,150 --> 00:19:59,170 Well... Two days into the trip, a massive storm hits the North Carolina 310 00:19:59,470 --> 00:20:00,470 It was huge. 311 00:20:00,490 --> 00:20:03,770 We're talking torrential rains, gale force winds. 312 00:20:04,170 --> 00:20:09,310 At least 32 vessels were damaged or lost at sea, including the John S. Lee. 313 00:20:09,610 --> 00:20:13,090 I got to assume with that much damage and all those ships, some of the stuff 314 00:20:13,090 --> 00:20:14,090 to wash up on shore. 315 00:20:14,210 --> 00:20:16,910 Yeah, for weeks, bodies and wreckage were washing up. 316 00:20:17,310 --> 00:20:20,370 I know from my research that John S. Lee was found pretty recently. 317 00:20:20,970 --> 00:20:23,950 Yeah, it was basically lost to history until 2014. 318 00:20:24,860 --> 00:20:28,460 And then remains of a shipwreck were discovered on a place called Figure 8 319 00:20:28,460 --> 00:20:31,420 Island, about two miles from your client's property. 320 00:20:31,800 --> 00:20:35,360 So now you mentioned on the phone, I'd be really surprised as to what was done 321 00:20:35,360 --> 00:20:36,360 with the ship's wreckage. 322 00:20:36,840 --> 00:20:41,900 Yeah. A local couple decided to build a house on Figure 8, and they used part of 323 00:20:41,900 --> 00:20:43,060 it in the design. 324 00:20:43,640 --> 00:20:47,420 So part of this house is actual wood from a ship that went down. That's 325 00:20:47,760 --> 00:20:51,620 I mean, isn't it kind of creepy using wood from a ship that went down? I got 326 00:20:51,620 --> 00:20:52,680 reservations about that. 327 00:20:52,880 --> 00:20:56,320 Yeah. I agree. The one good thing is that now we know what happened to that 328 00:20:56,320 --> 00:20:57,320 ship. True. 329 00:20:59,640 --> 00:21:06,380 I look down and I see two inches of muck I'm walking through. And 330 00:21:06,380 --> 00:21:10,020 I realize that it's decomposed bodies. 331 00:21:11,140 --> 00:21:15,720 Yeah, there's a lot of bodies. There's like pieces. 332 00:21:16,780 --> 00:21:18,420 Like pieces of people. 333 00:21:21,320 --> 00:21:27,040 I don't feel good down here. I feel very sick down here. I don't know because 334 00:21:27,040 --> 00:21:31,940 all these pieces of people are, like, crying. 335 00:21:32,580 --> 00:21:35,920 They're, like, asking for help. They're crying. They're screaming. 336 00:21:36,140 --> 00:21:37,320 They're tormented. 337 00:21:39,140 --> 00:21:43,800 What the? But these dead people, they all feel like a lot. 338 00:21:44,600 --> 00:21:46,900 I think they're all stuck in this vortex. 339 00:21:47,360 --> 00:21:50,240 Okay. And it did. It took in these dead people. 340 00:21:50,720 --> 00:21:52,400 I mean, they said it's been here forever, so. 341 00:21:53,540 --> 00:21:56,540 It's always been that way, they said. It's always been that way. 342 00:21:56,900 --> 00:21:57,900 There's too many. 343 00:21:57,960 --> 00:21:59,800 What does that mean? How many, roughly? 344 00:22:01,120 --> 00:22:02,120 Hundreds? 345 00:22:05,280 --> 00:22:11,880 For more information about the show, and if you need us to investigate 346 00:22:11,880 --> 00:22:16,420 unexplained activity in your home, please visit TravelChannel .com slash 347 00:22:16,420 --> 00:22:17,219 Dead Files. 348 00:22:17,220 --> 00:22:19,560 Click on Help Me Dead Files to submit your story. 349 00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:20,880 and we'll help if we can. 350 00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:30,760 Deb mentioned that the son of a previous owner was murdered. 351 00:22:31,520 --> 00:22:35,640 I can't tell you how often clients get this kind of stuff wrong, but I did some 352 00:22:35,640 --> 00:22:36,640 digging, and it's true. 353 00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:40,560 I'm heading back to the house to meet a local television reporter who says it 354 00:22:40,560 --> 00:22:42,440 all started with a bizarre love triangle. 355 00:22:47,500 --> 00:22:51,220 So, Ashley, thanks for looking into this for me. I appreciate it. Before we get 356 00:22:51,220 --> 00:22:53,780 into the details of the homicide, what do we know about the victim? 357 00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:57,920 The victim in this case was a 32 -year -old man by the name of Martin 358 00:22:57,920 --> 00:23:03,540 Yakimovich. Okay. In 1993, his father and stepmother moved into your client's 359 00:23:03,540 --> 00:23:06,300 house. We think that this was actually his room at the time. 360 00:23:06,560 --> 00:23:07,780 When was the murder? 361 00:23:08,060 --> 00:23:09,860 The murder was in 2014. 362 00:23:10,360 --> 00:23:14,260 So I got to assume he wasn't living here at the time because he was an adult 363 00:23:14,260 --> 00:23:15,260 when he got murdered. 364 00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:19,180 Yes. He was living about 10 miles from here with his girlfriend at the time, 365 00:23:19,220 --> 00:23:23,000 Molly. Anything about their relationship that we know of? We do know that Martin 366 00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:27,120 traveled a lot for work, leaving Molly in their three -bedroom home for 367 00:23:27,120 --> 00:23:28,400 stretches of time. 368 00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:30,520 Okay. All right. So she's lonely. 369 00:23:31,020 --> 00:23:32,140 So what happens next? 370 00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:37,720 She is lonely, and she meets a teenager online, 19 -year -old Shelby Lentz. 371 00:23:37,940 --> 00:23:42,160 And then she asks Martin if Shelby can move in with them. 372 00:23:42,810 --> 00:23:47,570 She was lonely, Shelby needed a place to stay, and they had the extra space at 373 00:23:47,570 --> 00:23:50,870 their house. And in a fateful decision, Martin agrees. 374 00:23:51,310 --> 00:23:54,370 I'm assuming at one point they probably start sleeping together. 375 00:23:54,710 --> 00:24:00,570 Correct. Martin comes home from a trip in December of 2013 and finds that 376 00:24:00,570 --> 00:24:05,590 and Molly were sleeping together behind his back. He is furious, and he kicks 377 00:24:05,590 --> 00:24:06,249 Shelby out. 378 00:24:06,250 --> 00:24:07,950 Does he break up with her at this point? 379 00:24:08,150 --> 00:24:09,150 No, they stay together. 380 00:24:09,410 --> 00:24:10,530 So what happens next? 381 00:24:10,990 --> 00:24:16,250 On January 3rd, 2014, Martin comes home from another work trip and finds that 382 00:24:16,250 --> 00:24:18,950 Shelby moved in again while he was away. 383 00:24:19,190 --> 00:24:24,310 There is a huge argument, and that's when Shelby comes up right behind Molly 384 00:24:24,310 --> 00:24:25,950 stabs Martin in the chest. 385 00:24:26,930 --> 00:24:31,530 All right, so he's got a chest wound now. How bad was it? The knife pierced 386 00:24:31,530 --> 00:24:33,350 heart. Okay, so he bleeds out. 387 00:24:33,830 --> 00:24:38,150 So what happens with our perp? Shelby turned himself into police two days 388 00:24:38,270 --> 00:24:40,590 but he claimed this whole thing was self -defense. 389 00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:46,400 In a jailhouse interview with us, he said that Molly and Martin were 390 00:24:46,540 --> 00:24:48,280 that Martin was the aggressor here. 391 00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:52,780 But as it turns out, Molly did not back up that story, and the autopsy report 392 00:24:52,780 --> 00:24:57,400 shows that there are no indications that Martin was the aggressor in this case. 393 00:24:57,860 --> 00:25:02,060 Did they charge him, and does he go to trial? What happens? A year later, 394 00:25:02,060 --> 00:25:06,440 confesses in court to second -degree murder, and he's sentenced to 18 to 23 395 00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:07,720 years in prison. 396 00:25:08,420 --> 00:25:10,620 18 to 23 years? I mean, that's a plea deal. 397 00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:13,300 Yeah, Martin's father felt that he got off easy. 398 00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:18,320 He turned to him during sentencing and said, God will deal with you. A year 399 00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:20,580 later, he moved out of your client's house. 400 00:25:23,980 --> 00:25:30,860 I'm seeing like a male, late teens, early 20s, murdered in 401 00:25:30,860 --> 00:25:31,860 this area. 402 00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:34,420 He was thin. 403 00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:36,940 probably about 5 '7 to 5 '9. 404 00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:42,560 He had frosted dyed blonde hair, like a skater boy haircut. 405 00:25:42,980 --> 00:25:46,160 This was in anywhere from 2000 until now. 406 00:25:46,500 --> 00:25:48,460 He was beaten and left for dead. 407 00:25:49,300 --> 00:25:52,420 It was nighttime when this happened, and he's angry. 408 00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:54,180 This is bad. 409 00:26:02,410 --> 00:26:06,130 I saw several disturbing things on my walk, but two stood out. 410 00:26:06,510 --> 00:26:11,890 First, the many pieces of dead people in the basement. So there's like a wall. 411 00:26:12,350 --> 00:26:16,250 In that, I could see these little pockets. 412 00:26:16,630 --> 00:26:22,510 And in those little pockets were like these little bubbles. And inside the 413 00:26:22,510 --> 00:26:24,210 bubbles were all different people. 414 00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:29,500 Next, I describe the shadow figure who looks like the person who attacked a 415 00:26:29,500 --> 00:26:36,020 living woman. Both of his hands were on his knees, and he's completely 416 00:26:36,020 --> 00:26:40,660 straight, and he's looking at the person in the bed. 417 00:26:42,380 --> 00:26:45,620 So his hair is a little bit shorter and neater. 418 00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:53,700 Amy, is this what you saw? 419 00:27:16,889 --> 00:27:21,430 Now that Amy and I have completed our investigations, we're ready to reveal 420 00:27:21,430 --> 00:27:22,430 findings to each other. 421 00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:24,600 and our clients for the first time. 422 00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:26,920 So, guys, this is Amy. 423 00:27:27,420 --> 00:27:31,400 She's going to be doing the reveal from a separate room so she can focus on your 424 00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:33,140 case and the dead without any distractions. 425 00:27:33,660 --> 00:27:38,120 Amy, me, Deb, and Elaine, this was supposed to be their forever home. 426 00:27:38,620 --> 00:27:41,300 And as you can see, it's absolutely beautiful. 427 00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:45,140 But since they moved in, their life has gone to hell. 428 00:27:45,500 --> 00:27:50,240 It's so bad, Deb thinks that whatever's here is trying to kill Elaine. 429 00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:52,080 We're their last hope. 430 00:27:52,490 --> 00:27:57,810 And these guys are praying you could find some way to make this place safe 431 00:27:57,810 --> 00:28:03,050 them. So unless Amy's got some questions, she'll tell us about her war. 432 00:28:06,290 --> 00:28:11,410 Well, one thing that I got when I first arrived was a violent death. 433 00:28:11,670 --> 00:28:14,170 And the victim was a male. 434 00:28:14,390 --> 00:28:15,390 He was murdered. 435 00:28:15,630 --> 00:28:20,930 He was on the younger side. I would have put him in his 20s. What I picked up... 436 00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:27,480 about how he died was that he was beaten and left for dead. I did see this 437 00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:32,680 happening at night and I felt that this was relatively recent, maybe in the 438 00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:33,680 2000s. 439 00:28:34,360 --> 00:28:37,100 You looking at me like you're thinking what I'm thinking? 440 00:28:37,700 --> 00:28:38,700 Deb, 441 00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:42,780 you gave me a tip that actually checked out. I think the victim of this murder 442 00:28:42,780 --> 00:28:46,400 you're talking about was a guy named Martin Yakimovich. 443 00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:48,640 His dad owned this house. 444 00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:52,320 And when he was a kid, we believed that this was the room he stayed in. 445 00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:56,900 But by the time of the murder, his dad still lived here, but Martin was 10 446 00:28:56,900 --> 00:28:59,420 away, living with his girlfriend, Molly. 447 00:28:59,660 --> 00:29:03,740 Now, he traveled a lot for work, and Molly got lonely and started a 448 00:29:03,740 --> 00:29:06,820 with a 19 -year -old kid named Shelby Lentz. 449 00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:12,200 So in December of 2013, Martin caught them in bed together and threw Shelby 450 00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:17,540 But just a few weeks later, in January of 2014, Martin came home one night. 451 00:29:18,350 --> 00:29:20,170 and found them two in the bed again. 452 00:29:20,470 --> 00:29:21,470 Oh, my God. 453 00:29:22,030 --> 00:29:26,190 They had a huge fight. Things got really heated. So about 11 o 'clock that 454 00:29:26,190 --> 00:29:30,550 night, Shelby grabs a knife and plunges it right into Martin's heart and pierces 455 00:29:30,550 --> 00:29:32,370 it. Oh, damn. 456 00:29:33,310 --> 00:29:38,270 Shelby pleaded out to second -degree murder, and he got an 18 to 23 -year 457 00:29:38,270 --> 00:29:40,610 sentence. I got his mugshot here. 458 00:29:41,310 --> 00:29:43,630 He looked like a little child. 459 00:29:44,210 --> 00:29:45,730 He was 19 when he did the murder. 460 00:29:46,170 --> 00:29:49,970 So the father was so upset about the whole thing, he actually moved out of 461 00:29:49,970 --> 00:29:50,869 a year later. 462 00:29:50,870 --> 00:29:52,310 How long did they live here? 463 00:29:53,050 --> 00:29:56,310 Over 20 years. Yeah, they were here a while. Really? Okay, interesting. 464 00:29:57,010 --> 00:29:58,950 Well, that makes me even more concerned. 465 00:30:03,010 --> 00:30:04,230 So what else you got, Amy? 466 00:30:05,190 --> 00:30:09,930 The land your house sits on has me very worried, and that's because there's a 467 00:30:09,930 --> 00:30:10,930 vortex. 468 00:30:11,330 --> 00:30:14,110 It somehow is... 469 00:30:14,490 --> 00:30:16,830 Like collecting bodies. 470 00:30:18,030 --> 00:30:22,350 I was walking and I could see like two inches of this muck. 471 00:30:22,590 --> 00:30:25,870 And then I realized it was like these decomposing bodies. 472 00:30:26,670 --> 00:30:30,230 And I was like, this is like just very bizarre. 473 00:30:31,390 --> 00:30:35,950 So I came across a ton of deaths in my research. But for now, I'm just going to 474 00:30:35,950 --> 00:30:41,570 tell you about one of them. It happened in April of 1877 when a freak storm came 475 00:30:41,570 --> 00:30:43,450 and caught everybody. 476 00:30:44,250 --> 00:30:49,650 off guard so now there were 32 boats that were lost or damaged during the 477 00:30:49,650 --> 00:30:54,370 so now bodies wind up washing up on shore for weeks less than a mile from 478 00:30:54,370 --> 00:31:01,150 one ship the john s lee was never recovered that was until 2014 when a 479 00:31:01,150 --> 00:31:06,210 local couple found the debris nearby and used it to decorate the house that they 480 00:31:06,210 --> 00:31:11,110 were building less than two miles from here was all wood that was recovered 481 00:31:11,110 --> 00:31:12,110 oh my gosh 482 00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:16,640 Is that a bad idea to kind of use the wood from a boat where people died? 483 00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:18,480 that wouldn't be a great idea. 484 00:31:20,300 --> 00:31:26,400 When I came down to the basement, I saw people from all different time periods. 485 00:31:26,900 --> 00:31:33,900 I feel very sick down here. I don't know if it's all these pieces 486 00:31:33,900 --> 00:31:35,960 of people are, like, crying. 487 00:31:36,620 --> 00:31:39,940 They're, like, asking for help. They're crying. They're screaming. 488 00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:41,200 They're tormented. 489 00:31:42,990 --> 00:31:43,990 You okay? 490 00:31:44,770 --> 00:31:47,150 You got a pretty strong reaction to what she was saying. 491 00:31:48,010 --> 00:31:50,550 That's where I spend all my time is in the basement. 492 00:31:50,790 --> 00:31:53,990 I did have a sketch done of what I saw down here. 493 00:32:00,350 --> 00:32:01,350 Kind of creepy. 494 00:32:08,210 --> 00:32:09,330 That looks evil. 495 00:32:10,590 --> 00:32:11,790 That looks awful. 496 00:32:13,610 --> 00:32:14,910 And they're trapped there. 497 00:32:16,910 --> 00:32:19,190 It makes me not want to go back down there. 498 00:32:22,370 --> 00:32:23,910 That's a pretty interesting walk already. 499 00:32:24,170 --> 00:32:25,250 What else did you come across? 500 00:32:26,070 --> 00:32:30,570 Now, here's like the really serious issue for you guys in particular. 501 00:32:30,850 --> 00:32:34,910 When I was coming up to the house, there was this dark energy. 502 00:32:35,450 --> 00:32:38,670 It drains the life force out of things. 503 00:32:38,910 --> 00:32:40,890 Like, when I was walking up, I... 504 00:32:41,130 --> 00:32:45,690 Literally, it's showing me like it's coming up and the grass is dying behind 505 00:32:45,690 --> 00:32:48,070 because it's absorbing that energy. 506 00:32:48,410 --> 00:32:55,070 So that goes, if you have humans, really not good because it does 507 00:32:55,070 --> 00:32:57,970 drain you guys, which can lead to illness. 508 00:32:58,350 --> 00:33:05,230 I can sleep all night long, get up, and two hours later, I'm ready to 509 00:33:05,230 --> 00:33:09,030 go back to bed and sleep all day long. 510 00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:15,880 One of the things that I saw upstairs, there's a bed with a bunch of pillows on 511 00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:21,340 it and a blanket at the end of the bed. Okay, so you make it. It's all nice. You 512 00:33:21,340 --> 00:33:26,140 leave. You come back. Now the blanket's still folded, but it turned down, and 513 00:33:26,140 --> 00:33:27,400 the pillows move. 514 00:33:27,700 --> 00:33:32,180 So I think that over time, living here would make you feel like you're losing 515 00:33:32,180 --> 00:33:32,999 your mind. 516 00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:34,040 Things move. 517 00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:39,160 Everything from certain pictures, canvases in our house. 518 00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:42,440 The cabinets will open. We'll hear things move. 519 00:33:43,340 --> 00:33:46,840 It's gotten to the point where I felt like I was losing my mind. 520 00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:54,780 One of the things that I got that this energy does to people is 521 00:33:54,780 --> 00:33:57,520 that it can give people intrusive thoughts. 522 00:33:58,100 --> 00:34:04,340 It tries to draw out of people this kind of remorse and depression and regret. 523 00:34:04,740 --> 00:34:08,639 Over time, I believe this could really... 524 00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:13,500 take a very serious mental and emotional toll on someone. 525 00:34:14,300 --> 00:34:18,460 Well, you guys mentioned that whatever's been going on here, it's been taking a 526 00:34:18,460 --> 00:34:20,320 toll on your relationship and your marriage, right? 527 00:34:20,820 --> 00:34:21,860 It's been a struggle. 528 00:34:22,699 --> 00:34:25,219 Yeah, it's like it's pitting us against each other. 529 00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:29,100 Well, you guys are functioning in, like, negative hell. 530 00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:37,199 So when I went upstairs, I went into the bedroom on the right. 531 00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:38,520 That's their bedroom. 532 00:34:38,679 --> 00:34:43,880 I sense that the living in there had abilities. 533 00:34:44,260 --> 00:34:48,900 So you think it's both of them? Honestly, I think it's Elaine. 534 00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:54,320 Yeah, I think she's always been more open and sensitive. 535 00:34:54,880 --> 00:35:01,800 Because of your abilities, somehow you are giving a form and a shape to this 536 00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:02,800 dark energy. 537 00:35:03,380 --> 00:35:09,840 So the way that I perceived this, Energy was this 538 00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:12,600 huge, like, black spider. 539 00:35:13,180 --> 00:35:20,160 But you're seeing it as a person, a kind of clean -cut, kind of 540 00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:26,080 younger male. He was sitting on the steps near the bed, like, staring. 541 00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:33,540 I felt that this person had some kind of role in your life that was 542 00:35:33,540 --> 00:35:34,540 pretty significant. 543 00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:40,000 There's some kind of trauma with him from your past. 544 00:35:41,220 --> 00:35:47,460 And I saw a living woman being held down and attacked by this male. 545 00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:50,620 And I did have a sketch done of what I saw. 546 00:35:55,460 --> 00:35:58,560 It's a chandelier, right, but you're not going to like what you see next to it. 547 00:36:05,450 --> 00:36:10,850 I would have put him in the 80s, but I did feel like that there was sexual 548 00:36:10,850 --> 00:36:12,010 trauma in the past. 549 00:36:18,410 --> 00:36:25,110 Can I have a minute? Yeah, of course. 550 00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:38,920 She figured you would pick up on it, but it's not something that she really 551 00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:41,340 wants to discuss, obviously. 552 00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:44,560 So let me just check on her. Okay. 553 00:36:46,540 --> 00:36:48,640 Something happened to me bad as a kid. 554 00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:53,720 I cannot tell her about it. You knew that she was going to pick up on it. 555 00:36:54,180 --> 00:36:56,220 Okay, let's go back in. I'm good. 556 00:36:57,460 --> 00:36:58,460 I'm sorry. 557 00:36:58,520 --> 00:36:59,520 No. 558 00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:02,840 Listen, you just relax. 559 00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:06,360 I'm sorry. 560 00:37:06,720 --> 00:37:07,638 Don't be. 561 00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:09,160 You hit the nail on the head. 562 00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:10,440 I'm sorry. 563 00:37:11,620 --> 00:37:12,620 Don't apologize. 564 00:37:18,580 --> 00:37:23,620 So then I saw this thing getting really physical, and I saw some touching. 565 00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:29,580 There was a female. I felt like getting smacked on my face, getting grabbed by 566 00:37:29,580 --> 00:37:30,580 the shoulder. 567 00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:32,480 We were just watching TV. 568 00:37:33,130 --> 00:37:36,610 And I felt a really bad burning sensation on my back. 569 00:37:37,130 --> 00:37:39,170 I asked Deb to look at my back. 570 00:37:39,410 --> 00:37:41,190 And she was like, oh, my God. 571 00:37:41,430 --> 00:37:42,810 And she snapped a picture. 572 00:37:43,470 --> 00:37:45,210 And that's what she saw. 573 00:37:47,330 --> 00:37:49,390 The welt? Yeah, the welt. Boy. 574 00:37:50,190 --> 00:37:52,010 Amy, Deb's been touched a few times. 575 00:37:52,590 --> 00:37:57,310 So, Deb, do me a favor. Tell Amy about what you described as like a choking. 576 00:37:57,950 --> 00:38:03,290 I was awake at like 3 -something in the morning, and I woke up choking. It 577 00:38:03,290 --> 00:38:07,930 wasn't like pressure on my neck. It was actually inside my throat. 578 00:38:08,410 --> 00:38:10,230 Tell Amy about you getting pushed on the stairs. 579 00:38:11,070 --> 00:38:17,490 I was going down the stairs, and I got to about the third step, and I felt two 580 00:38:17,490 --> 00:38:18,490 huge hands. 581 00:38:18,990 --> 00:38:21,910 It pushed me, and I caught myself. 582 00:38:22,670 --> 00:38:24,590 And if I hadn't have... 583 00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:27,200 I would have fell completely down the steps. 584 00:38:28,260 --> 00:38:35,240 My worry is that it could become more and more violent as far as attacks are 585 00:38:35,240 --> 00:38:40,520 concerned. So that obviously could potentially cause death. 586 00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:49,800 I'm actually kind of surprised that Elaine didn't pick up on it when we were 587 00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:51,660 looking at this house. 588 00:38:52,490 --> 00:38:54,350 What Deb wants, Deb gets. 589 00:38:55,470 --> 00:38:59,710 I really would have thought that Elaine would have picked up on the land being 590 00:38:59,710 --> 00:39:04,470 bad. And so this is kind of heartbreaking. Well, I'm not Amy Allen. 591 00:39:05,850 --> 00:39:09,690 And I know a lot of sensitives, including myself, who have been duped 592 00:39:09,690 --> 00:39:11,350 into really tough places. 593 00:39:11,830 --> 00:39:14,690 So it happens to all of us. 594 00:39:31,820 --> 00:39:36,260 I can see the stunned look on your faces, and honestly, I feel the same 595 00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:41,100 So now is the big question. Is there any way to make this house safe for you 596 00:39:41,100 --> 00:39:44,080 guys, living happily ever after, or not? 597 00:39:44,500 --> 00:39:46,180 For that answer, I'm going to turn it over to Amy. 598 00:39:49,500 --> 00:39:55,880 This is a very beautiful home, but I think you guys know what I'm going to 599 00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:04,640 When I saw what I saw here, I knew that nobody should have ever built here. 600 00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:09,800 Nobody should live here. This should have just been left alone. 601 00:40:10,740 --> 00:40:16,100 I think it's not healthy for anybody to 602 00:40:16,100 --> 00:40:18,740 stay here. 603 00:40:23,540 --> 00:40:25,760 Unfortunately, I know that's not the answer you guys want to hear. 604 00:40:27,340 --> 00:40:28,340 It's just a house. 605 00:40:30,340 --> 00:40:31,340 What about you? 606 00:40:34,340 --> 00:40:41,180 It's not worth staying here and having to continually worry and to 607 00:40:41,180 --> 00:40:42,320 give up our happiness. 608 00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:48,560 When they move to a new location that doesn't have any issues, will she start 609 00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:50,500 feel better? Will their relationship get better? 610 00:40:50,740 --> 00:40:52,580 Yeah, I mean, absolutely. 611 00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:56,500 Where's the Brazil sign? 612 00:40:58,890 --> 00:41:00,850 You guys are young. You had a long life ahead of you. 613 00:41:02,430 --> 00:41:03,690 Why not make the best of it? 614 00:41:05,450 --> 00:41:07,990 What we've built here, we can do again. 615 00:41:09,150 --> 00:41:11,670 And I'll just have to look at it that way. 616 00:41:16,330 --> 00:41:22,450 I feel really bad for Deb and Elaine, but in a situation as dangerous as this, 617 00:41:22,450 --> 00:41:23,890 think it's best they leave their home. 618 00:41:24,430 --> 00:41:26,030 Hopefully they take my advice. 619 00:41:26,510 --> 00:41:30,950 Leave this dark negative energy behind and get a fresh start somewhere new. 620 00:41:35,270 --> 00:41:39,410 Hi, Steve and Amy. We wanted to give you an update at what's going on in our 621 00:41:39,410 --> 00:41:43,090 house. The activity has continued and actually has increased. 622 00:41:44,050 --> 00:41:48,770 Because of Amy's findings, we've decided to take her advice and sell the house 623 00:41:48,770 --> 00:41:52,290 and move on to hopefully a better place. 624 00:41:52,940 --> 00:41:59,200 So thank you so much for coming and investigating and letting us know what 625 00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:00,200 happening.