1 00:00:11,633 --> 00:00:14,767 ♪ ♪ 2 00:00:27,567 --> 00:00:31,166 ♪ ♪ 3 00:00:58,200 --> 00:01:01,934 ♪ ♪ 4 00:01:16,967 --> 00:01:20,867 ♪ ♪ 5 00:01:37,400 --> 00:01:41,300 ♪ ♪ 6 00:02:02,300 --> 00:02:06,333 (children shouting, laughing) 7 00:02:24,967 --> 00:02:29,900 (distant singing) 8 00:02:31,200 --> 00:02:33,700 (door opens) 9 00:02:38,066 --> 00:02:39,867 Woman: Manhattan Beach Police Department, 10 00:02:39,867 --> 00:02:43,033 crime report: 0067-99. 11 00:02:43,033 --> 00:02:46,533 D.R. number: 85-01713. 12 00:02:46,533 --> 00:02:49,200 Reporting officer Detective J. Hoag. 13 00:02:49,200 --> 00:02:51,100 Date of Report: 8-12-83. 14 00:02:51,100 --> 00:02:55,600 Person filing complaint: Judy Ann Johnson, Mrs. 15 00:02:55,600 --> 00:02:57,066 Report follows: 16 00:02:57,066 --> 00:02:59,133 Mrs. Johnson came to the police station 17 00:02:59,133 --> 00:03:01,867 approximately 10:30 a.m. with her son, Malcolm, 18 00:03:01,867 --> 00:03:03,533 age two and a half years, 19 00:03:03,533 --> 00:03:06,667 and filed a complaint charging Child Sexual Abuse. 20 00:03:06,667 --> 00:03:11,133 Reporting officer conducted an interview with the child and with his mother. 21 00:03:11,133 --> 00:03:13,533 Mrs. Johnson alleges that her son has been molested 22 00:03:13,533 --> 00:03:16,166 while attending preschool in Manhattan Beach. 23 00:03:16,166 --> 00:03:20,300 Complainant reported that her son named Raymond Charles Buckey... 24 00:03:24,567 --> 00:03:27,767 Subject walking from parking lot on campus. 25 00:03:32,900 --> 00:03:34,500 (children shouting) 26 00:03:34,500 --> 00:03:37,133 Man: Passed a group of 12 schoolchildren, 27 00:03:37,133 --> 00:03:39,467 six to eight years of age. 28 00:03:48,767 --> 00:03:51,800 Subject stopped and watched children playing. 29 00:03:54,834 --> 00:03:58,133 Subject was alone and talked to nobody. 30 00:03:58,133 --> 00:04:01,066 TV announcer: The Eyewitness News Team. 31 00:04:01,066 --> 00:04:04,533 From the desert to the sea to all of Southern California, 32 00:04:04,533 --> 00:04:06,133 a good evening. Here's the latest at 6:00. 33 00:04:06,133 --> 00:04:08,166 In a case which has been described 34 00:04:08,166 --> 00:04:10,867 as one of the most bizarre and shocking 35 00:04:10,867 --> 00:04:12,533 ever to involve young children. 36 00:04:12,533 --> 00:04:15,200 Reporter Wayne Satz is now able to bring you 37 00:04:15,200 --> 00:04:18,066 this extraordinary, exclusive story. Wayne. 38 00:04:18,066 --> 00:04:20,200 Tonight's story comes out of the mouths 39 00:04:20,200 --> 00:04:22,000 of over 60 children, 40 00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:24,867 some of them as young as two years of age. 41 00:04:24,867 --> 00:04:28,000 They have allegedly been keeping a grotesque secret. 42 00:04:28,000 --> 00:04:31,533 The secret is they were being sexually molested, (phone rings) 43 00:04:31,533 --> 00:04:34,934 and made to appear in pornographic films. 44 00:04:34,934 --> 00:04:36,967 The children were all attending this preschool... Man: Yeah. 45 00:04:36,967 --> 00:04:38,667 Man on phone: Hi, it's Kelly. Are you watching this? 46 00:04:38,667 --> 00:04:40,467 Man: I'm watching it. Call me when it's over. 47 00:04:40,467 --> 00:04:42,533 Satz: What makes their statements even more extraordinary 48 00:04:42,533 --> 00:04:45,900 and shocking is that the owner of this preschool 49 00:04:45,900 --> 00:04:48,500 is 76-year-old Virginia McMartin, 50 00:04:48,500 --> 00:04:50,867 Manhattan Beach's most honored citizen. 51 00:04:50,867 --> 00:04:53,667 In fact, this home video was shot... Hey, baby. 52 00:04:53,667 --> 00:04:54,934 ...at the Chamber of Commerce... Hey. 53 00:04:54,934 --> 00:04:56,734 ...giving Virginia McMartin the highest award... 54 00:04:56,734 --> 00:04:58,166 Watch this. Sweaty. 55 00:04:58,166 --> 00:05:00,934 Watch this. ...the Rose and Scroll. 56 00:05:00,934 --> 00:05:03,200 Man: Here, here, here. Look at this. Look. Watch. 57 00:05:03,200 --> 00:05:06,900 To me, there isn't anything that can equal the smile 58 00:05:06,900 --> 00:05:09,667 and love of a small child. 59 00:05:09,667 --> 00:05:12,100 Forgive me, I go on and on when I get started 60 00:05:12,100 --> 00:05:15,734 on my favorite subject: children. 61 00:05:15,734 --> 00:05:18,333 Satz: But last year the mother of one of the students, 62 00:05:18,333 --> 00:05:22,667 Judy Johnson, noticed her two-and-a-half-year-old son 63 00:05:22,667 --> 00:05:26,700 was having a redness on his bottom and having nightmares. 64 00:05:26,700 --> 00:05:31,433 She accused Virginia McMartin's 25-year-old grandson, Raymond Buckey, 65 00:05:31,433 --> 00:05:34,934 seen here in this home movie at the school's Halloween parade. 66 00:05:34,934 --> 00:05:38,367 Ray Buckey. The Manhattan Beach Police sent letters to parents 67 00:05:38,367 --> 00:05:40,734 whose children had attended the McMartin Preschool, 68 00:05:40,734 --> 00:05:44,533 asking them to question their children about possible cases of sodomy, 69 00:05:44,533 --> 00:05:47,467 oral copulation... This is the most sickening thing. 70 00:05:47,467 --> 00:05:50,767 Yeah, and guess who their lawyer wants to take this case off his hands? 71 00:05:50,767 --> 00:05:53,633 Danny, no. Not these people. 72 00:05:53,633 --> 00:05:56,066 The children all replied that nothing had happened. 73 00:05:56,066 --> 00:05:59,100 That was until the district attorney took the children 74 00:05:59,100 --> 00:06:02,433 to this nationally recognized therapist on child abuse, 75 00:06:02,433 --> 00:06:07,433 Kee McFarlane, of C.I.I., the Children's Institute International. 76 00:06:07,433 --> 00:06:11,000 She drew forth horrifying stories of molestation 77 00:06:11,000 --> 00:06:15,166 from literally hundreds of children based on play therapy session 78 00:06:15,166 --> 00:06:17,333 which she videotaped. 79 00:06:17,333 --> 00:06:19,700 I don't think the depth of terror that can be put 80 00:06:19,700 --> 00:06:21,633 into a child should be underestimated. 81 00:06:21,633 --> 00:06:24,133 I've been working this field for 13 years, 82 00:06:24,133 --> 00:06:27,967 and I haven't seen a situation that compares to this. 83 00:06:27,967 --> 00:06:29,300 It's simply horrifying. 84 00:06:29,300 --> 00:06:32,934 They said the teachers mutilated animals at their school... 85 00:06:32,934 --> 00:06:35,000 Oh, God, the poor babies. 86 00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:36,967 ...their parents would receive similar treatment. 87 00:06:36,967 --> 00:06:39,367 Is it any wonder that they kept silent? 88 00:06:39,367 --> 00:06:43,400 Danny, this thing is gonna be plastered all over everywhere by tomorrow morning. 89 00:06:43,400 --> 00:06:45,633 I hope so. What a case. 90 00:06:45,633 --> 00:06:48,000 ...and that way they don't feel the parents will be killed 91 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:50,533 because it's the puppets that are saying it, not them. 92 00:06:50,533 --> 00:06:53,033 Satz: Are the children able... 93 00:06:53,033 --> 00:06:56,467 We've been on this case for weeks and it still gives me the creeps. 94 00:06:56,467 --> 00:06:58,700 Yeah. Have you thought about those parents? 95 00:06:58,700 --> 00:07:01,166 The guilt, the betrayal they must be feeling? 96 00:07:01,166 --> 00:07:05,567 God, they trusted their children to these people. 97 00:07:05,567 --> 00:07:08,900 A case like this makes you glad you're a prosecutor. 98 00:07:08,900 --> 00:07:11,600 In the meantime, to the outrage of many parents, 99 00:07:11,600 --> 00:07:14,600 Ray Buckey remains a free man. 100 00:07:14,600 --> 00:07:16,900 The grand jury... Okay, Kelly, I'll take it. The case is mine. 101 00:07:16,900 --> 00:07:20,567 You are crazy to take this on. And you are sweaty. 102 00:07:20,567 --> 00:07:22,934 Hey, come on, Grace. Their lawyer's gettin' rocks 103 00:07:22,934 --> 00:07:25,000 thrown through his window so he chickens out. 104 00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:26,967 Channel 7's got him buried already. 105 00:07:26,967 --> 00:07:28,834 The odds against him are 50 to one the other way. 106 00:07:28,834 --> 00:07:30,166 You really wanna see him lynched? 107 00:07:30,166 --> 00:07:31,900 Do you understand what these people did? 108 00:07:31,900 --> 00:07:35,367 Did to children! Hey, a client's a client. 109 00:07:42,133 --> 00:07:44,667 ♪ ♪ 110 00:07:44,667 --> 00:07:48,600 (banging) Woman: Open the door. Police! 111 00:07:51,033 --> 00:07:53,266 (loud banging) 112 00:07:59,133 --> 00:08:01,066 Open the door! Police. 113 00:08:01,066 --> 00:08:04,000 Where's your son, ma'am? (toilet flushes) 114 00:08:25,066 --> 00:08:27,033 Hm... 115 00:08:28,934 --> 00:08:32,433 Hey! Look what we got here. 116 00:08:32,433 --> 00:08:36,800 Naked dolls, a robe, women's underwear. 117 00:08:36,800 --> 00:08:39,166 Take a look at that. 118 00:08:39,166 --> 00:08:40,567 Woman: That's a new one. 119 00:08:40,567 --> 00:08:42,266 "Be my baby." Man: Yeah. 120 00:08:42,266 --> 00:08:43,900 Woman: Black cape? Man: Yeah. 121 00:08:43,900 --> 00:08:45,533 Woman: I don't know. Man: Strange. 122 00:08:45,533 --> 00:08:47,800 Woman: Kinda interesting. Man: Buck naked. They're all naked here. 123 00:08:47,800 --> 00:08:49,900 Officer on phone: Hello, Mr. Davis? Manhattan Beach Police. 124 00:08:49,900 --> 00:08:51,533 Your client's just been arrested. 125 00:08:51,533 --> 00:08:53,066 Thanks. 126 00:08:53,066 --> 00:08:54,800 Sorry. Bye. 127 00:08:54,800 --> 00:08:57,200 (tires screech) 128 00:08:59,800 --> 00:09:03,300 (inmates shouting) 129 00:09:08,133 --> 00:09:10,533 Man: What you do? What you in here for? Huh? 130 00:09:10,533 --> 00:09:12,567 Close! 131 00:09:14,567 --> 00:09:17,767 Man: Hey! Hey! Clark Kent! 132 00:09:17,767 --> 00:09:19,867 Clark Kent, what you in here for, man? 133 00:09:19,867 --> 00:09:21,166 Show me your booking slip. 134 00:09:21,166 --> 00:09:23,433 Your booking slip, that pink piece of paper 135 00:09:23,433 --> 00:09:25,200 they gave you when you got in this place! 136 00:09:25,200 --> 00:09:28,467 Come on, put it through the bars, man! Let me see it now! 137 00:09:28,467 --> 00:09:30,633 Come on, let me see, man! Come on! 138 00:09:30,633 --> 00:09:33,166 Come a little closer, man! Come on! 139 00:09:33,166 --> 00:09:36,166 Come on, bring it closer! Closer! Closer! 140 00:09:36,166 --> 00:09:37,533 Give me that! 141 00:09:38,500 --> 00:09:40,934 Whoa! Goddamn! 142 00:09:40,934 --> 00:09:43,633 56 counts of 288-C! 143 00:09:43,633 --> 00:09:48,166 This guy got 56 counts of child molestation! Goddamn! 144 00:09:48,166 --> 00:09:51,800 Hey! You must be that guy on the news! 145 00:09:51,800 --> 00:09:54,700 Buckey! Buckey! (inmates banging bars) 146 00:09:54,700 --> 00:09:58,200 Buckey! McMartin, that's you, ain't it? Goddamn! 147 00:09:58,200 --> 00:10:02,166 (inmates shouting, banging) 148 00:10:10,433 --> 00:10:11,533 Open! Open! 149 00:10:13,166 --> 00:10:15,633 Get out! What the hell's the matter with you?! 150 00:10:15,633 --> 00:10:19,433 What are you starting in here, huh? 151 00:10:19,433 --> 00:10:21,667 (inmates shouting) 152 00:10:41,667 --> 00:10:44,033 Morning, guys. 153 00:10:44,033 --> 00:10:48,133 Whoop! Whoa. Okay. 154 00:10:48,133 --> 00:10:49,433 Congratulations. I hear they had to move you 155 00:10:49,433 --> 00:10:51,667 into the Celebrity Wing with Sean Penn, the Ninja Brothers 156 00:10:51,667 --> 00:10:54,200 and the Night Stalker. I'm Danny Davis, your new attorney. 157 00:10:54,200 --> 00:10:56,533 Kelly couldn't stand the heat, so he got out of the kitchen. 158 00:10:56,533 --> 00:10:59,367 Thank you. Sam, thank you. Come on. Chop-chop. 159 00:10:59,367 --> 00:11:01,367 Attorney/client privilege. Shut the door. 160 00:11:01,367 --> 00:11:03,133 Don't worry, kid. I'm the best there is. 161 00:11:03,133 --> 00:11:05,400 I haven't left anybody in jail yet. 162 00:11:05,400 --> 00:11:07,900 Come on, guys. Give me a break, will ya? Come on! 163 00:11:07,900 --> 00:11:11,300 Geez. Everybody's watchin' your cage. So here's the deal. You don't talk to anybody. 164 00:11:11,300 --> 00:11:14,200 Not anybody. You don't say you did it. You don't say you didn't do it. 165 00:11:14,200 --> 00:11:17,000 You just don't talk. (handcuffs rattle) 166 00:11:17,000 --> 00:11:20,233 What...? Why am I here? I didn't do anything. 167 00:11:20,233 --> 00:11:22,900 Well, congratulations again. You'll be the first innocent client I ever had. 168 00:11:22,900 --> 00:11:27,200 No one in my family has ever been arrested. 169 00:11:27,200 --> 00:11:29,800 This will kill them. Well... 170 00:11:33,166 --> 00:11:34,533 Are you kidding with those glasses? 171 00:11:34,533 --> 00:11:36,600 You look like a child molester. 172 00:11:36,600 --> 00:11:38,834 Get rid of them or it's gonna be a short trial. 173 00:11:38,834 --> 00:11:41,500 Satz: This is a mind-boggling case. 174 00:11:41,500 --> 00:11:43,834 Not only has Ray Buckey been taken into custody, 175 00:11:43,834 --> 00:11:46,033 but now they're arresting his mother, 176 00:11:46,033 --> 00:11:48,400 57-year-old "Miss Peggy," 177 00:11:48,400 --> 00:11:50,934 as she is called by children. 178 00:11:50,934 --> 00:11:52,567 Hoag: Step back, please. 179 00:11:55,667 --> 00:11:59,333 Satz: They're arresting Peggy Ann Buckey, 180 00:11:59,333 --> 00:12:03,100 who is Virginia McMartin's granddaughter and Ray Buckey's sister, 181 00:12:03,100 --> 00:12:04,834 at Kennedy High School in Newport Beach. 182 00:12:04,834 --> 00:12:06,400 Put your hands behind your back, ma'am. 183 00:12:07,867 --> 00:12:09,700 You don't have to do it in front of the kids. 184 00:12:10,967 --> 00:12:12,700 Excuse me. Satz: They also arrested 185 00:12:12,700 --> 00:12:15,333 62-year-old teacher Betty Raidor 186 00:12:15,333 --> 00:12:18,367 as she was returning with her granddaughter from a stroll. 187 00:12:18,367 --> 00:12:20,166 Okay, move your shoulder in first. 188 00:12:20,166 --> 00:12:24,100 Satz: Mary Ann Jackson, 60, mother of four, 189 00:12:24,100 --> 00:12:26,700 and grandmother of five. 190 00:12:30,467 --> 00:12:32,934 Babette Spitler, mother of two 191 00:12:32,934 --> 00:12:36,667 who had once worked helping abused children. 192 00:12:38,567 --> 00:12:42,367 And, amazingly enough, the grand jury also indicted 193 00:12:42,367 --> 00:12:46,400 the 76-year-old owner of the McMartin School, Virginia McMartin. 194 00:12:46,400 --> 00:12:49,800 I said stop this right now! Oh! 195 00:12:49,800 --> 00:12:51,333 Danny: Hello, my name is Danny Davis. 196 00:12:51,333 --> 00:12:54,567 I'll be representing you for the bail hearing. 197 00:12:54,567 --> 00:12:55,800 Why are we here? 198 00:12:55,800 --> 00:12:57,133 How can the police do this? 199 00:12:57,133 --> 00:12:58,900 You're here because you were indicted by a grand jury 200 00:12:58,900 --> 00:13:00,433 and the police were well within their rights. 201 00:13:00,433 --> 00:13:02,467 What about our rights? The parents were afraid something else 202 00:13:02,467 --> 00:13:04,200 might happen to their children. What do the TV people 203 00:13:04,200 --> 00:13:07,166 think they're doing? That reporter stuck his camera right in my face! 204 00:13:07,166 --> 00:13:09,867 Wayne Satz, he's the Geraldo of local news, but he's usually not wrong. 205 00:13:09,867 --> 00:13:12,700 What's the matter with everybody? Don't they know children make up stories? 206 00:13:12,700 --> 00:13:15,266 A lot of new research indicates that they don't make up stories about child abuse. 207 00:13:15,266 --> 00:13:16,800 Oh, hogwash! 208 00:13:16,800 --> 00:13:18,867 Well, Los Angeles believes it, and the DA believes that this case 209 00:13:18,867 --> 00:13:20,600 is gonna win him reelection. Would you look at us?! 210 00:13:20,600 --> 00:13:22,066 Do we look like child molesters? 211 00:13:22,066 --> 00:13:24,333 Does Ted Bundy look like a serial killer? 212 00:13:24,333 --> 00:13:27,266 I'll need power of attorney over your property for your bail hearing. 213 00:13:27,266 --> 00:13:29,967 Your bail and your granddaughter's is set at $50,000 apiece. 214 00:13:29,967 --> 00:13:31,433 You want my house and my school. 215 00:13:31,433 --> 00:13:33,066 Your daughter's set at $350,000. 216 00:13:33,066 --> 00:13:34,867 Why should I give you something I worked my whole life for? 217 00:13:34,867 --> 00:13:36,767 And your grandson Ray Buckey at one million dollars. 218 00:13:36,767 --> 00:13:38,300 She drove a school bus for years to be able 219 00:13:38,300 --> 00:13:39,533 to get the money to buy this school. 220 00:13:39,533 --> 00:13:41,467 In our neighborhood, she's considered a saint. 221 00:13:41,467 --> 00:13:44,800 In her neighborhood, Joan of Arc was considered a saint and they burned her at the stake. 222 00:13:44,800 --> 00:13:47,800 Just sign here on the X, please. 223 00:13:47,800 --> 00:13:50,900 If you're gonna be our lawyer, you can start by getting my grandmother's wheelchair back. 224 00:13:50,900 --> 00:13:52,900 And where did they put my daughter? 225 00:13:55,200 --> 00:13:57,533 Look, I don't know you. 226 00:13:57,533 --> 00:13:59,533 I don't know anything about you. 227 00:13:59,533 --> 00:14:01,700 If you wanna stay here forever, then don't sign it. 228 00:14:01,700 --> 00:14:03,834 If you'd like to get out on bail in a few days, then please, 229 00:14:03,834 --> 00:14:06,300 just sign at the X. Okay? 230 00:14:09,867 --> 00:14:11,633 (tapping on glass) 231 00:14:14,900 --> 00:14:15,967 No physical contact. 232 00:14:22,400 --> 00:14:23,734 Thank you. 233 00:14:23,734 --> 00:14:25,300 (sighs) 234 00:14:25,300 --> 00:14:26,734 I'll see what I can do about your wheelchair. 235 00:14:28,100 --> 00:14:30,133 Bye. Huh. 236 00:14:33,734 --> 00:14:36,834 Did you see our new poll? Number one concern? 237 00:14:36,834 --> 00:14:39,700 Woman: Child abuse tops crime. I know. Are you surprised? 238 00:14:39,700 --> 00:14:42,934 Boy! You are fast! I've been chasin' you all over. 239 00:14:42,934 --> 00:14:45,266 Can we work out lower bail on McMartin? 240 00:14:45,266 --> 00:14:47,133 'Cause, you know... 241 00:14:47,133 --> 00:14:49,734 Hey, you know, my clients aren't a danger to the community. 242 00:14:49,734 --> 00:14:52,133 So what's the problem? I mean, that's the only justification 243 00:14:52,133 --> 00:14:54,700 for that kind of bail. Am I right? Come on, Stevens. 244 00:14:54,700 --> 00:14:57,734 These people never had so much as a parking ticket, for Christ's sake. 245 00:14:57,734 --> 00:14:59,800 These people are monsters, Mr. Davis. 246 00:14:59,800 --> 00:15:02,934 Do you actually believe children would make something like this up? 247 00:15:02,934 --> 00:15:06,667 I knew it would be someone like you who would take this case. 248 00:15:06,667 --> 00:15:08,500 What happened? Did you run out of drug dealers? 249 00:15:08,500 --> 00:15:09,533 Is she kiddin' with this shit? 250 00:15:09,533 --> 00:15:10,900 I want you to know something. 251 00:15:10,900 --> 00:15:13,834 I care passionately about this case. 252 00:15:13,834 --> 00:15:15,900 Do your bottom-feeding somewhere else. 253 00:15:15,900 --> 00:15:17,367 Don't tell me that you didn't take this case 254 00:15:17,367 --> 00:15:18,834 for the exact same reason I did: 255 00:15:18,834 --> 00:15:21,333 because it's a great case. The media are gonna be all over it. 256 00:15:21,333 --> 00:15:23,100 They're gonna be on this... Shall I state the obvious? 257 00:15:23,100 --> 00:15:25,567 You are an opportunist of the worst kind. 258 00:15:25,567 --> 00:15:28,367 You're using these little children to aggrandize yourself. 259 00:15:28,367 --> 00:15:32,633 They deserve better than that. I intend to see that they get it. 260 00:15:32,633 --> 00:15:34,233 One other thing. 261 00:15:34,233 --> 00:15:37,133 Whatever happened to the presumption of innocence? 262 00:15:39,066 --> 00:15:41,166 Yuppie scum. 263 00:15:42,600 --> 00:15:44,900 ♪ ♪ 264 00:15:44,900 --> 00:15:46,467 Man: KSDL Mobile One to base. 265 00:15:46,467 --> 00:15:48,367 This is Mobile One in position. 266 00:15:48,367 --> 00:15:51,867 (overlapping chatter) 267 00:15:56,033 --> 00:15:58,300 (overlapping chatter continues) 268 00:16:01,667 --> 00:16:03,767 Man: This is KABC News Van 12. 269 00:16:03,767 --> 00:16:07,567 We are transmitting color bars and tone. Do you have audio and video? 270 00:16:16,900 --> 00:16:18,000 (inaudible) 271 00:16:18,000 --> 00:16:20,100 Reporter: Shock and disbelief 272 00:16:20,100 --> 00:16:22,166 is the reaction in Manhattan Beach today 273 00:16:22,166 --> 00:16:25,900 as the horrified parents and former pupils at the McMartin Preschool... 274 00:16:25,900 --> 00:16:28,367 Reporter 2: Raymond Buckey also brandished a gun 275 00:16:28,367 --> 00:16:31,166 to terrorize the children... Reporter 3: Deputy District Attorney Lael Rubin 276 00:16:31,166 --> 00:16:34,433 says she'll be charging 400 new... 277 00:16:34,433 --> 00:16:38,467 It's a parent's nightmare. The person entrusted to guard and teach their child 278 00:16:38,467 --> 00:16:40,667 is suspected of... Female reporter: The scale of this shocking... 279 00:16:40,667 --> 00:16:43,000 ...the children were used for pornography. 280 00:16:43,000 --> 00:16:48,667 Remember how vulnerable they were feeling during the time they were abused. 281 00:16:48,667 --> 00:16:52,200 They need to feel they have power over their own destiny. 282 00:16:52,200 --> 00:16:53,467 Satz: And cut. 283 00:16:53,467 --> 00:16:55,066 Reporter: The children's stories... How was that? 284 00:16:55,066 --> 00:16:57,033 It was terrific. It's even better than before. 285 00:16:57,033 --> 00:17:00,333 Woman: Yeah. And all this in sweeps week, too. 286 00:17:00,333 --> 00:17:01,567 Here they come. 287 00:17:01,567 --> 00:17:03,333 Female reporter: And here comes Virginia McMartin, 288 00:17:03,333 --> 00:17:05,734 who was granted bail two weeks ago along with her granddaughter... 289 00:17:05,734 --> 00:17:08,233 Male reporter: A poll conducted by District Attorney Philobosian's 290 00:17:08,233 --> 00:17:11,133 reelection committee identifies child abuse 291 00:17:11,133 --> 00:17:13,633 as the number one voter concern in the upcoming elections. 292 00:17:13,633 --> 00:17:16,533 We're talking about such acts as rape, sodomy, 293 00:17:16,533 --> 00:17:18,800 oral copulation and fondling. 294 00:17:18,800 --> 00:17:21,467 (shouting) 295 00:17:30,834 --> 00:17:32,200 Hi, did they see all the kids? 296 00:17:32,200 --> 00:17:33,967 Shame on you, Mr. Davis. 297 00:17:33,967 --> 00:17:35,834 (metal detector wand whirs) 298 00:17:36,867 --> 00:17:38,567 (indistinct chatter) 299 00:17:51,867 --> 00:17:53,800 Bailiff: Uh, we cleared a space for the chair up there. 300 00:17:53,800 --> 00:17:54,934 Man: Where? 301 00:17:54,934 --> 00:17:56,767 Right there. 302 00:17:56,767 --> 00:17:59,600 Sorry. Hi. I'm here. 303 00:17:59,600 --> 00:18:01,467 Excuse me. Could you... 304 00:18:01,467 --> 00:18:02,967 We'll be out of here in just about an hour, okay? 305 00:18:02,967 --> 00:18:06,500 Okay. Come on. Get my brother released, too, not just us women. 306 00:18:06,500 --> 00:18:10,133 On a million dollars bail? One step at a time here. Just sit down, please. 307 00:18:13,734 --> 00:18:15,667 You all right? 308 00:18:23,600 --> 00:18:26,300 ♪ ♪ 309 00:18:37,633 --> 00:18:40,100 So I'm gonna be five or ten minutes here. 310 00:18:40,100 --> 00:18:42,633 I have a few things that I have to present. Just a formality. 311 00:18:42,633 --> 00:18:45,166 Then we'll have you out of here and you'll be on your way home. Okay? 312 00:18:52,200 --> 00:18:55,800 Perfect typecasting. They could be Buchenwald guards. 313 00:18:57,066 --> 00:18:58,800 Look at the old woman. 314 00:19:02,767 --> 00:19:06,300 Man: All rise. Department 100 in the Superior Court 315 00:19:06,300 --> 00:19:07,800 of the State of California is now in session, 316 00:19:07,800 --> 00:19:10,633 Judge Ronald M. George presiding. 317 00:19:17,266 --> 00:19:18,667 Miss Rubin. 318 00:19:23,033 --> 00:19:27,533 Your Honor, the people move to deny bail for the defendants. 319 00:19:27,533 --> 00:19:30,667 What did she say? (crowd murmuring) 320 00:19:30,667 --> 00:19:32,233 We've already set bail. 321 00:19:32,233 --> 00:19:35,000 There have been developments since. 322 00:19:35,000 --> 00:19:38,800 Developments? What developments? 323 00:19:38,800 --> 00:19:41,700 These children and their parents were threatened by the defendants 324 00:19:41,700 --> 00:19:44,433 that if they appeared in court as witnesses they would be killed. 325 00:19:44,433 --> 00:19:45,934 (crowd murmuring) 326 00:19:45,934 --> 00:19:49,433 These threats make them a serious danger to the public safety. 327 00:19:49,433 --> 00:19:53,166 Where is, uh... Where is the proof of this, Your Honor? 328 00:19:53,166 --> 00:19:55,266 I have it in statements by the parents and the children. 329 00:19:55,266 --> 00:19:59,066 Well, I want to talk to those children and verify these things. 330 00:19:59,066 --> 00:20:02,900 You'll get your turn. Continue, Miss Rubin. 331 00:20:02,900 --> 00:20:05,100 Your Honor, the McMartin Preschool was in the business 332 00:20:05,100 --> 00:20:10,066 of orchestrating clear and unequivocal child abuse. Thank you. 333 00:20:15,867 --> 00:20:18,967 Yes, Your Honor. I would like to, uh... 334 00:20:18,967 --> 00:20:21,867 I would like to begin with Peggy Ann Buckey, 335 00:20:21,867 --> 00:20:24,934 the, uh, sister of... of Ray, uh, the daughter of Peggy Buckey 336 00:20:24,934 --> 00:20:29,133 and the granddaughter of Virginia McMartin. 337 00:20:29,133 --> 00:20:33,100 This, uh, young lady was awarded the Higgins Scholarship 338 00:20:33,100 --> 00:20:36,467 for Outstanding Student of... Student Teacher of the Year. 339 00:20:36,467 --> 00:20:39,900 Even to suggest that she be denied bail... Good old Danny. 340 00:20:39,900 --> 00:20:41,700 Next he'll call her a virgin. 341 00:20:41,700 --> 00:20:43,166 ...granted to felons and murderers... 342 00:20:43,166 --> 00:20:45,734 Judge: Do you think allegations of abuse against 343 00:20:45,734 --> 00:20:50,500 hundreds of children is any less a danger than, say, the murder of one person? 344 00:20:50,500 --> 00:20:53,333 But there is nothing more than allegations, Your Honor. 345 00:20:53,333 --> 00:20:55,700 I have read the transcripts of the grand jury proceedings, 346 00:20:55,700 --> 00:21:00,333 and I believe they demonstrate the broad scope of this conspiracy. 347 00:21:03,800 --> 00:21:09,300 Denying bail to Miss Buckey, Your Honor, would be more responsive to the media 348 00:21:09,300 --> 00:21:12,400 rather than any precedent... Judge: I think that's entirely out of line, 349 00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:14,333 Mr. Davis. 350 00:21:14,333 --> 00:21:19,200 If there is any case where there is to be no bail in a non-capital case, 351 00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:21,867 this is that case. Yes, Your Honor, but I-- 352 00:21:21,867 --> 00:21:24,300 In the interest of public safety, 353 00:21:24,300 --> 00:21:27,033 I deny bail to Raymond Buckey. 354 00:21:27,033 --> 00:21:31,100 I also deny bail to Babette Spitler, 355 00:21:31,100 --> 00:21:35,266 Betty Raidor, Peggy Ann Buckey, 356 00:21:35,266 --> 00:21:37,166 and Peggy Buckey. 357 00:21:39,333 --> 00:21:42,333 Your Honor... 358 00:21:42,333 --> 00:21:44,367 You Honor, I beseech you... Mom. 359 00:21:44,367 --> 00:21:47,900 I beseech you to reconsider. You promised to get us out of here! 360 00:21:48,834 --> 00:21:50,033 What happened? 361 00:21:50,033 --> 00:21:51,333 I don't know what happened. 362 00:21:51,333 --> 00:21:53,033 I... What about the children? 363 00:21:53,033 --> 00:21:54,967 What's gonna happen to my children? 364 00:21:54,967 --> 00:21:57,200 Peggy! I promise you... 365 00:21:57,200 --> 00:21:58,800 I promise you, I will take care of this. 366 00:22:05,533 --> 00:22:07,300 (sighs) 367 00:22:12,133 --> 00:22:15,133 Satz: Mr. Davis. 368 00:22:15,133 --> 00:22:18,333 Mr. Davis. Mr. Davis. 369 00:22:18,333 --> 00:22:20,734 Mr. Davis? 370 00:22:20,734 --> 00:22:22,633 What are you running away for? 371 00:22:22,633 --> 00:22:24,033 What do you want? 372 00:22:24,033 --> 00:22:26,133 I want you to tell my viewers right here and now 373 00:22:26,133 --> 00:22:28,266 that you believe your clients are innocent. 374 00:22:28,266 --> 00:22:31,867 I refer you to their plea. I believe it's "not guilty." 375 00:22:34,567 --> 00:22:36,000 Cut. 376 00:22:38,433 --> 00:22:39,734 Congratulations, Davis. 377 00:22:39,734 --> 00:22:41,633 You just chickened out in front of five million people. 378 00:22:41,633 --> 00:22:44,567 You are such an asshole. Thank you. Thank you. 379 00:22:46,100 --> 00:22:47,567 Satz: I have with me a man who spent two days 380 00:22:47,567 --> 00:22:49,400 in the same jail cell as the key figure 381 00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:51,600 in the most amazing... What are you watching? 382 00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:55,700 Ooh, nice tattoos. What is he, a Hell's Angel? 383 00:22:55,700 --> 00:22:58,100 Here. 384 00:22:58,100 --> 00:23:01,433 Buckey told me in jail that he had penetrated the kids with K-Y Jelly 385 00:23:01,433 --> 00:23:05,533 so it wouldn't tear 'em up. Where does Wayne Satz find these people? 386 00:23:05,533 --> 00:23:09,700 Where he gets the whole thing: from the prosecution. 387 00:23:09,700 --> 00:23:13,500 ...schoolchildren how to perform... oral copulation on a man. 388 00:23:13,500 --> 00:23:15,033 From the office sewer pipe! 389 00:23:15,033 --> 00:23:16,934 Man: I told him I was there for the same thing he was. 390 00:23:16,934 --> 00:23:20,300 This case is bad. Can't you get out of it? 391 00:23:20,300 --> 00:23:22,867 Man: I got five kids and grandchildren of my own. 392 00:23:22,867 --> 00:23:26,700 I did not say that my sister stood in front of a classroom 393 00:23:26,700 --> 00:23:28,633 and taught kids how to perform sex acts! 394 00:23:28,633 --> 00:23:30,767 You're gonna have to talk to me, gonna have to tell me everything! 395 00:23:30,767 --> 00:23:32,433 You saw my sister! Who could say that about her? 396 00:23:32,433 --> 00:23:33,734 Ray, you're gonna have to talk to me! 397 00:23:33,734 --> 00:23:35,166 You're gonna have to tell me everything! 398 00:23:35,166 --> 00:23:36,834 Because I am not gonna stand in front of that court 399 00:23:36,834 --> 00:23:40,066 with my dick in my hand waiting for them to throw things at you! 400 00:23:40,066 --> 00:23:41,834 Now, talk to me! I said, 401 00:23:41,834 --> 00:23:45,400 and I mean that there will be no surprises! There's nothing! 402 00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:48,400 This is not a frat initiation at San Diego State. 403 00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:51,667 There are going to be little children on that stand saying that they were hurt! 404 00:23:51,667 --> 00:23:52,934 You have got to be ready for that. 405 00:23:52,934 --> 00:23:54,200 Who could be ready for that? 406 00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:55,700 Hurt by you and your sister 407 00:23:55,700 --> 00:23:57,133 and your mother and your grandmother! 408 00:23:57,133 --> 00:23:58,667 What do you want me to do?! I can't make things up! 409 00:23:58,667 --> 00:24:00,900 All right, all right. 410 00:24:00,900 --> 00:24:02,200 (sighs) 411 00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:05,266 Why would a guy wanna work in a preschool with kids? 412 00:24:05,266 --> 00:24:07,934 I like being with kids. 413 00:24:07,934 --> 00:24:10,300 Never answer that question like that again! 414 00:24:10,300 --> 00:24:11,834 Now, Mr. Buckey, please tell the court 415 00:24:11,834 --> 00:24:15,934 why would a grown man want to work with preschool children? 416 00:24:15,934 --> 00:24:18,300 It was my grandmother's-- Wrong. Wrong! Come on, Ray! 417 00:24:18,300 --> 00:24:20,066 Come on! I could be near the beach. 418 00:24:20,066 --> 00:24:21,734 No, come on, come on. Better, better, come on. 419 00:24:21,734 --> 00:24:23,533 I dropped out of college and I needed a job. 420 00:24:23,533 --> 00:24:25,400 Ah, better. Better. 421 00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:27,266 It sucks, but it's better. 422 00:24:27,266 --> 00:24:30,066 You know that some of the, uh, parents 423 00:24:30,066 --> 00:24:34,200 said you didn't wear underwear to preschool. You aware of that? 424 00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:36,066 No, I didn't wear underwear underneath my shorts. 425 00:24:36,066 --> 00:24:38,233 So you got your dick hanging out in front of these little kids. 426 00:24:38,233 --> 00:24:39,533 They're surfer shorts, they're long. 427 00:24:39,533 --> 00:24:40,934 Oh, your surfer dick was hanging out. 428 00:24:40,934 --> 00:24:42,367 That makes it better. It's a beach community! 429 00:24:42,367 --> 00:24:44,667 I mean, is that a crime now too? No, but it's enough to convict you. 430 00:24:44,667 --> 00:24:47,500 That's all. You could do about 500 years in jail. 431 00:24:47,500 --> 00:24:49,500 Tell me about your relationships with women. Okay? 432 00:24:49,500 --> 00:24:51,900 How many women have you been to bed with, Ray? Just round numbers, 433 00:24:51,900 --> 00:24:54,667 like 20, 30, 50, whatever. One. 434 00:24:54,667 --> 00:24:57,700 Do you mind? 435 00:24:57,700 --> 00:25:01,100 One... one what? One woman. 436 00:25:01,100 --> 00:25:05,367 How old are you? You're what, 25 years old? 437 00:25:05,367 --> 00:25:06,667 You've been to bed with one woman? 438 00:25:06,667 --> 00:25:08,934 Only one! Is that another crime? 439 00:25:08,934 --> 00:25:13,233 When you're accused of child molesting, everything is a crime. 440 00:25:13,233 --> 00:25:16,033 (sighs) You're a fruit, right? 441 00:25:16,033 --> 00:25:18,266 Come on, you like to bite the pillow. Right? No. 442 00:25:18,266 --> 00:25:20,467 Hey, we all thought about it at summer camp. Come on. 443 00:25:20,467 --> 00:25:22,567 I'm not. You can level with me. 444 00:25:22,567 --> 00:25:26,633 Okay. I have a little gift for you here, Ray. 445 00:25:28,633 --> 00:25:31,000 "My name is Ray Buckey. 446 00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:35,867 I don't talk. I don't listen." 447 00:25:35,867 --> 00:25:38,333 Ray, you gotta stop grinding your teeth. 448 00:25:38,333 --> 00:25:39,700 Very unattractive in front of a jury. 449 00:25:39,700 --> 00:25:41,467 Man on radio: You just have to take one look at Buckey 450 00:25:41,467 --> 00:25:42,700 and you know he's guilty. 451 00:25:42,700 --> 00:25:44,300 Rubin: Why aren't we coming up with stuff faster 452 00:25:44,300 --> 00:25:45,533 from the investigators on this? 453 00:25:45,533 --> 00:25:47,800 We really, really have to move quickly on this. 454 00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:50,767 I know. I'm hoping for something from the names of Virginia's diary. 455 00:25:50,767 --> 00:25:53,133 Good. There should be a lot of material in ten years of diaries. 456 00:25:53,133 --> 00:25:57,533 Where are we on the tapes? Uh, we're playin' catchup. More is coming all the time. 457 00:25:57,533 --> 00:25:59,934 Thousands of hours of tapes. 458 00:25:59,934 --> 00:26:02,233 Kee's working overtime. 459 00:26:02,233 --> 00:26:04,233 Woman: When was the last time any of us had any food? 460 00:26:04,233 --> 00:26:06,233 What do you say? Greek? Chinese? 461 00:26:06,233 --> 00:26:08,700 Yeah. Good idea. 462 00:26:08,700 --> 00:26:10,667 Woman: I'll get some takeout menus. 463 00:26:10,667 --> 00:26:12,967 Rubin: What about pornographic pictures? Huh? 464 00:26:12,967 --> 00:26:15,667 They gotta be out there somewhere. Get a list of all the photo labs. 465 00:26:15,667 --> 00:26:17,500 Man: By the way... Oh, and get the FBI 466 00:26:17,500 --> 00:26:20,433 to check out dealers in Scandinavia, too. 467 00:26:20,433 --> 00:26:23,667 By the way, this note. Judy Johnson, the original accuser... 468 00:26:23,667 --> 00:26:26,900 Judy Johnson. Listen, Glenn, we've got hundreds of kids making accusations now. 469 00:26:26,900 --> 00:26:30,967 They've all gotta be checked out and it's all gotta be done quickly. 470 00:26:30,967 --> 00:26:33,667 Thank you. Rubin: Pet stores! Check into pet stores. 471 00:26:33,667 --> 00:26:36,600 They're killing all these animals. There's gotta be a supplier. 472 00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:38,834 We should probably check this Johnson note out. 473 00:26:38,834 --> 00:26:40,700 You know, just to see if this woman is okay. 474 00:26:40,700 --> 00:26:43,433 In the note, she seems kind of, uh... 475 00:26:43,433 --> 00:26:45,066 Well, fragile would be polite. 476 00:26:45,066 --> 00:26:47,100 After all she's been through, you surprised? 477 00:26:47,100 --> 00:26:50,867 I wonder if the defense got this note? 478 00:26:50,867 --> 00:26:52,633 Why wouldn't they? 479 00:26:52,633 --> 00:26:55,600 Oh, and check out all the animal labs too. Good. 480 00:27:14,133 --> 00:27:17,266 Hi there. 481 00:27:17,266 --> 00:27:18,900 You must be Malcolm. 482 00:27:27,500 --> 00:27:30,500 Mrs. Johnson? 483 00:27:30,500 --> 00:27:32,600 I'm Glenn Stevens from the DA's office. 484 00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:34,100 I'll be helping you with your testimony. 485 00:27:34,100 --> 00:27:37,967 I would like to speak to your son as well. 486 00:27:37,967 --> 00:27:41,133 He's been through enough. Malcolm, go inside. 487 00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:48,133 Well... 488 00:27:50,900 --> 00:27:53,734 You know, I'll have to speak to him sooner or later. 489 00:27:53,734 --> 00:27:57,066 I mean, after all, it was your charges 490 00:27:57,066 --> 00:27:58,667 that started this whole case. 491 00:27:58,667 --> 00:28:03,033 Your son is our most important witness, Mrs. Johnson. 492 00:28:08,300 --> 00:28:10,333 Female reporter: Several more preschools are being investigated 493 00:28:10,333 --> 00:28:12,533 for possible links... Male reporter: Parents dropping their children 494 00:28:12,533 --> 00:28:14,133 off at the Hickory Tree Preschool... 495 00:28:14,133 --> 00:28:15,567 Reporter: The owner of the Little Angels... 496 00:28:15,567 --> 00:28:17,467 Reporter 2: Authorities in Manhattan Beach have raided 497 00:28:17,467 --> 00:28:19,033 the Manhattan Ranch Preschool... 498 00:28:19,033 --> 00:28:21,133 Female reporter: They are also asking that any parent... 499 00:28:21,133 --> 00:28:23,500 Male reporter: The owner of the Greenup School in Northridge 500 00:28:23,500 --> 00:28:25,734 has been charged with 16 felony counts 501 00:28:25,734 --> 00:28:27,333 of child molestation. 502 00:28:27,333 --> 00:28:28,166 Reporter: Peninsula Montessori, 503 00:28:28,166 --> 00:28:29,633 number two, and... 504 00:28:29,633 --> 00:28:31,900 Female reporter: Sheriff Block said he believed over 1200 children 505 00:28:31,900 --> 00:28:34,934 may have been molested and swapped with children from other schools. 506 00:28:34,934 --> 00:28:36,033 Man: I'm going to ask you, 507 00:28:36,033 --> 00:28:37,367 this is about the thousandth time, 508 00:28:37,367 --> 00:28:39,300 for the grand jury transcript and the police report! 509 00:28:39,300 --> 00:28:40,700 I mean, if you won't pursue this, 510 00:28:40,700 --> 00:28:42,200 we'll conduct our own investigation! 511 00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:45,066 Not while I'm chief of police, you won't. 512 00:28:45,066 --> 00:28:48,300 Every minute somebody's reporting another child molester. 513 00:28:48,300 --> 00:28:50,667 There's a good reason for that. You see what happened at Greenup today? 514 00:28:50,667 --> 00:28:53,400 Yes, did you hear what happened-- I'm really not sure 515 00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:55,467 how much evidence there is. There's plenty of evidence. 516 00:28:55,467 --> 00:28:57,633 Do you ever watch the news? Let's be careful here. 517 00:28:57,633 --> 00:28:59,800 Or some innocent people will be hurt. 518 00:29:09,133 --> 00:29:10,633 There she is! Child molester! 519 00:29:10,633 --> 00:29:13,767 (inmates shouting) 520 00:29:15,233 --> 00:29:18,000 We're gonna get you, you motherfucking cunt! 521 00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:20,400 Die, bitch! Die! (spits) 522 00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:24,033 (inmates shouting, laughing) 523 00:29:24,033 --> 00:29:26,100 Peggy: They're going to kill me. 524 00:29:26,100 --> 00:29:29,500 Peggy. Peggy, I want you to try to calm down if you can. 525 00:29:29,500 --> 00:29:30,867 Okay? No one's gonna kill you. You don't... 526 00:29:30,867 --> 00:29:33,166 You don't know what it's like here. 527 00:29:33,166 --> 00:29:35,934 You don't think anything like this 528 00:29:35,934 --> 00:29:39,033 can ever happen to you. 529 00:29:39,033 --> 00:29:42,400 I have to go to the infirmary for my medicine. 530 00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:46,867 And they have my handcuffs behind my back. 531 00:29:46,867 --> 00:29:49,600 And they say... 532 00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:52,800 ...words to me. 533 00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:55,300 They say they want to hurt me. 534 00:29:55,300 --> 00:29:58,333 I don't know why they put you in general population. 535 00:29:58,333 --> 00:30:01,333 We are going to get you moved. I promise. 536 00:30:03,967 --> 00:30:07,300 You seem like a nice man. 537 00:30:07,300 --> 00:30:09,133 Who are you? 538 00:30:09,133 --> 00:30:11,400 Dean Gits is my name. Remember? 539 00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:15,834 Judge George called and asked if I wanted to represent you. 540 00:30:15,834 --> 00:30:19,467 How old are you? You look like a kid. 541 00:30:19,467 --> 00:30:20,967 39. 542 00:30:20,967 --> 00:30:24,333 You're much too thin. 543 00:30:28,667 --> 00:30:31,233 Reporter: Fire crews were called again last night 544 00:30:31,233 --> 00:30:34,300 to the site of the former McMartin Preschool in Manhattan Beach. 545 00:30:34,300 --> 00:30:36,533 In what is believed to be an arson attempt, 546 00:30:36,533 --> 00:30:38,800 the vacant school buildings were set ablaze 547 00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:40,834 between 3:00 and 4:00 this morning. 548 00:30:40,834 --> 00:30:43,967 The fire was brought under control and there were no casualties. 549 00:30:43,967 --> 00:30:48,667 Authorities suspect there may be a link with the ongoing child molestation case... 550 00:30:50,100 --> 00:30:51,100 Watch your step. 551 00:30:51,100 --> 00:30:52,600 The second time in two months. 552 00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:54,700 Shoulda let it burn. 553 00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:01,433 What a mess. 554 00:31:01,433 --> 00:31:03,867 Watch out for the puddle. 555 00:31:03,867 --> 00:31:06,934 The windows, look how big they are. 556 00:31:06,934 --> 00:31:08,667 You can see right in. 557 00:31:08,667 --> 00:31:10,333 We're on the busiest street in town 558 00:31:10,333 --> 00:31:12,533 and you can see right in. 559 00:31:12,533 --> 00:31:14,867 Anybody could. 560 00:31:14,867 --> 00:31:17,834 Did they have curtains? I don't see any. 561 00:31:17,834 --> 00:31:20,033 (banging) 562 00:31:24,567 --> 00:31:28,033 You think they did it? What do you think? 563 00:31:28,033 --> 00:31:31,066 Well, when I read Peggy the charges against her, 564 00:31:31,066 --> 00:31:35,000 she asked me what a dildo was. 565 00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:36,500 The others are the same. 566 00:31:36,500 --> 00:31:40,500 Mothers, grandmothers. Christian Scientists. 567 00:31:40,500 --> 00:31:42,100 Never as much as a parking ticket. 568 00:31:42,100 --> 00:31:45,533 And yet you have these kids saying that they were raped, 569 00:31:45,533 --> 00:31:49,567 sodomized, made to do pornography. 570 00:31:49,567 --> 00:31:51,533 I don't know. 571 00:31:51,533 --> 00:31:53,767 It's kinda hard to imagine it happening here, isn't it? 572 00:31:53,767 --> 00:31:58,734 I've seen so much in my time, nothin' shocks me. 573 00:31:58,734 --> 00:32:01,433 I don't see any closets. Aren't some of the kids saying that Ray 574 00:32:01,433 --> 00:32:03,166 would hide them in a closet when their parents came? 575 00:32:03,166 --> 00:32:04,533 Isn't that suppose to be on the tapes? 576 00:32:04,533 --> 00:32:06,000 Did you get anywhere with those tapes? 577 00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:09,600 The other side sees the tapes. Our side flies blind. 578 00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:12,667 I'm doin' the best I can. Where are the closets? 579 00:32:12,667 --> 00:32:15,066 Man: Fucking baby rapers! (gunshot) 580 00:32:15,066 --> 00:32:17,700 (tires screeching) Hey! 581 00:32:20,967 --> 00:32:22,834 Let me show you the interview room. 582 00:32:22,834 --> 00:32:26,667 Hi, guys. Children: Hi! 583 00:32:26,667 --> 00:32:29,633 Still busy, I see. It's unbelievable, isn't it? 584 00:32:29,633 --> 00:32:33,767 The parents and the kids spread the word around, there's more coming every day. 585 00:32:33,767 --> 00:32:35,533 Come in. 586 00:32:35,533 --> 00:32:37,166 How many have you taped so far? 587 00:32:37,166 --> 00:32:39,734 Over 300. 588 00:32:39,734 --> 00:32:41,934 And how long is each tape? 589 00:32:41,934 --> 00:32:44,300 Anywhere from an hour and a half to two. 590 00:32:44,300 --> 00:32:46,967 What? We go into preliminary next month. 591 00:32:46,967 --> 00:32:48,433 How am I gonna look at all of these? 592 00:32:48,433 --> 00:32:52,166 We've indexed every charge on our VCR counter. Sandy. 593 00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:55,367 Fantastic. 594 00:32:55,367 --> 00:32:57,700 Let's see. Have a seat. 595 00:32:57,700 --> 00:33:00,433 Uh... let's see. 596 00:33:00,433 --> 00:33:03,333 Chuck Ross. 25-12. 597 00:33:03,333 --> 00:33:06,667 The child says, "Ray and Peggy touched my penis." 598 00:33:08,934 --> 00:33:11,500 Maryann, 32-71. 599 00:33:11,500 --> 00:33:13,500 "Maryann made me kiss her boobs." 600 00:33:13,500 --> 00:33:15,800 35-12. "Chuck says he copulated Betty." 601 00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:17,400 Do you have anything on Virginia? 602 00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:19,834 Heather. Heather. Heather Ross. 603 00:33:19,834 --> 00:33:21,900 Here it is. 26-65. 604 00:33:21,900 --> 00:33:23,767 "Virginia would turn her wheelchair around 605 00:33:23,767 --> 00:33:26,533 and clap while the naked games were going on." 606 00:33:26,533 --> 00:33:30,066 Wow. This is very helpful. 607 00:33:30,066 --> 00:33:35,200 It sometimes takes a while, but the truth always comes out in the end. 608 00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:38,000 (door rattling) Guard: All right, wakey-wakey! 609 00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:40,567 Time to get up! Let's go! Come on! Get up! 610 00:33:40,567 --> 00:33:42,533 What's going on? Move it! Get your things together. 611 00:33:42,533 --> 00:33:44,066 We're moving you. Where are we going? 612 00:33:44,066 --> 00:33:45,633 Chop-chop! Chop-chop! 613 00:33:45,633 --> 00:33:47,533 Over here, come on. That's right, the bag. 614 00:33:47,533 --> 00:33:50,233 Pick up the bag! That's right, put the items in the bag. 615 00:33:50,233 --> 00:33:51,867 Very good. What's happening? 616 00:33:51,867 --> 00:33:53,266 Come on over, help her out here. 617 00:33:53,266 --> 00:33:54,567 We're transferring you. Where are we going? 618 00:33:54,567 --> 00:33:56,934 We're transferring you. Let's go. 619 00:33:58,166 --> 00:34:00,433 Come on. Move it! 620 00:34:00,433 --> 00:34:02,567 Would you please tell me where you're taking me? 621 00:34:02,567 --> 00:34:04,633 Right here. 4203. 622 00:34:04,633 --> 00:34:07,867 Prisoner transfer time, 3:17 a.m. 623 00:34:07,867 --> 00:34:11,066 (woman moans) I don't want to have to share a cell with anyone. 624 00:34:11,066 --> 00:34:12,133 In. 625 00:34:16,500 --> 00:34:20,200 (gasping) 626 00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:22,333 Mom! 627 00:34:22,333 --> 00:34:27,133 Mom! Is that... Is that you, Peggy Ann? 628 00:34:27,133 --> 00:34:31,300 It's you? Oh, thank God! Thank God, it's you! 629 00:34:31,300 --> 00:34:33,200 (sobbing) 630 00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:35,300 Oh, it's so... it's so awful here. 631 00:34:35,300 --> 00:34:37,700 There's this woman in the next cell, 632 00:34:37,700 --> 00:34:40,533 and she's... she screams! 633 00:34:40,533 --> 00:34:45,633 All night long she screams! Shh... 634 00:34:45,633 --> 00:34:47,667 Oh, I'm so glad that you're here. 635 00:34:47,667 --> 00:34:50,834 I finally have someone to talk to in here. 636 00:34:50,834 --> 00:34:53,367 Have you-- have you seen Ray? 637 00:34:53,367 --> 00:34:55,400 Is he all right? How is my baby? 638 00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:57,600 They won't tell me anything. 639 00:34:57,600 --> 00:34:59,834 Did they let him go home? I'm so afraid. 640 00:34:59,834 --> 00:35:02,367 I'm so worried about him. 641 00:35:02,367 --> 00:35:04,367 I'm so worried about all of us. 642 00:35:04,367 --> 00:35:05,834 Danny: For God's sake, shut your mother up, 643 00:35:05,834 --> 00:35:07,433 unless you want them to hear every word! 644 00:35:07,433 --> 00:35:08,900 What are you talking about? 645 00:35:08,900 --> 00:35:11,066 What? They're probably bugging you. 646 00:35:11,066 --> 00:35:14,233 You think they'd put you in the same cell out of the goodness of their hearts? 647 00:35:14,233 --> 00:35:16,667 Do they strike you as benevolent people? God! 648 00:35:16,667 --> 00:35:19,166 And they made us take our clothes off 649 00:35:19,166 --> 00:35:22,433 and lay on our tummies on the floor. 650 00:35:22,433 --> 00:35:24,400 And then they'd tie us up. 651 00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:26,300 And I was scared. 652 00:35:26,300 --> 00:35:28,934 They shouted at us and told us to be quiet. 653 00:35:28,934 --> 00:35:33,333 She poked me with her fingers, and it hurt. 654 00:35:33,333 --> 00:35:36,567 Where did it hurt you? It hurt in my bottom. 655 00:35:36,567 --> 00:35:39,133 And some other men were there as well. 656 00:35:39,133 --> 00:35:40,900 Glenn: What did they do? 657 00:35:40,900 --> 00:35:45,433 They watched. And took photos. 658 00:35:45,433 --> 00:35:48,166 And then Ray would take us to the car wash 659 00:35:48,166 --> 00:35:51,367 and we'd have to take off our clothes in the car. 660 00:35:51,367 --> 00:35:54,934 And Ray would be with us in the car and, um, 661 00:35:54,934 --> 00:35:57,100 he would touch us. 662 00:35:57,100 --> 00:36:00,400 These kids are so brave to come forward. 663 00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:03,133 The poor little things actually feel guilty themselves 664 00:36:03,133 --> 00:36:05,667 for the violations they've suffered. 665 00:36:05,667 --> 00:36:09,467 They need all our love and support to help them get through this terrible trauma 666 00:36:09,467 --> 00:36:11,266 they've had to endure 667 00:36:11,266 --> 00:36:13,433 at the hands of the people they trusted. 668 00:36:13,433 --> 00:36:15,567 Female reporter: Kee McFarlane also went on to say 669 00:36:15,567 --> 00:36:17,934 that the children's stories have been remarkably consistent 670 00:36:17,934 --> 00:36:21,734 since the very first allegations were made nearly ten months ago. 671 00:36:21,734 --> 00:36:24,333 What is it? What is so important? 672 00:36:24,333 --> 00:36:26,567 You know we have a preliminary in two weeks. 673 00:36:26,567 --> 00:36:28,367 Hey, Malcolm. Where's Judy? 674 00:36:28,367 --> 00:36:32,066 I thought it best that you talked to Malcolm alone. 675 00:36:32,066 --> 00:36:34,200 Tell him, Malcolm. 676 00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:35,734 He hurt me. 677 00:36:38,033 --> 00:36:40,667 Hoag: Who hurt you, Malcolm? 678 00:36:40,667 --> 00:36:43,100 He poked me. 679 00:36:43,100 --> 00:36:46,100 Hoag: Who poked you? 680 00:36:46,100 --> 00:36:50,567 Daddy poked me with a stick in my bottom. 681 00:36:53,233 --> 00:36:55,567 What's a stick, Malcolm? 682 00:36:57,100 --> 00:36:58,800 This is a stick. 683 00:37:01,767 --> 00:37:03,033 Where did it happen? 684 00:37:04,567 --> 00:37:06,100 In the bath. 685 00:37:06,100 --> 00:37:09,233 Daddy took a bath with me. 686 00:37:17,266 --> 00:37:22,000 Did Mommy tell you to say bad things about Daddy? 687 00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:25,934 Uh-uh. No. 688 00:37:25,934 --> 00:37:29,400 Why don't you, uh, go in to your mom, hmm? 689 00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:31,367 Thanks, buddy. 690 00:37:35,500 --> 00:37:37,667 Do you really believe this is what happened? 691 00:37:37,667 --> 00:37:39,867 What choice do I have? 692 00:37:39,867 --> 00:37:42,767 Could there be some other explanation? 693 00:37:42,767 --> 00:37:44,834 Come on, Jane. Is there? 694 00:37:44,834 --> 00:37:47,200 Well, he filed for divorce. Well, there it is. 695 00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:49,934 Judy doesn't work. She doesn't have anything. 696 00:37:49,934 --> 00:37:52,500 This is her way of getting even, maybe even getting a little money. 697 00:37:52,500 --> 00:37:55,700 We have to file charges against the father. Jane... 698 00:37:55,700 --> 00:38:00,700 If we do that, the defense will kill us with it. 699 00:38:00,700 --> 00:38:04,333 This was the first charge against Ray Buckey. 700 00:38:04,333 --> 00:38:07,834 Malcolm was with his father the night before Judy reported he was molested. 701 00:38:07,834 --> 00:38:09,600 They'll say that's how this whole thing started. 702 00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:12,700 Well, what do you want to do then? 703 00:38:14,433 --> 00:38:16,734 Let the father have visitation again? 704 00:38:16,734 --> 00:38:18,533 No. 705 00:38:18,533 --> 00:38:20,633 No, of course not. 706 00:38:20,633 --> 00:38:22,133 Just, uh... 707 00:38:22,133 --> 00:38:25,467 ...tell Judy not to let the father see Malcolm 708 00:38:25,467 --> 00:38:28,967 until we can check this out. All right? 709 00:38:43,166 --> 00:38:45,633 You have no idea what we went through to get these tapes. 710 00:38:45,633 --> 00:38:47,567 We have to watch all of them here. 711 00:38:47,567 --> 00:38:49,300 They won't let me take them to my office. 712 00:38:49,300 --> 00:38:50,867 So I need you guys to help me out. 713 00:38:50,867 --> 00:38:52,567 I want you to take notes on each child. 714 00:38:52,567 --> 00:38:54,800 Write down every single thing you can remember 715 00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:57,066 about him or her. 716 00:38:57,066 --> 00:39:01,533 The first kid we're seeing is, uh, Jonathan Lawson. 717 00:39:01,533 --> 00:39:02,700 Okay. 718 00:39:04,333 --> 00:39:05,734 We can skip him. 719 00:39:05,734 --> 00:39:08,266 I came to the school after... after he was gone. 720 00:39:08,266 --> 00:39:11,266 Well, I think this tape is gonna show that he remembers you. 721 00:39:11,266 --> 00:39:13,867 So let's, um, 722 00:39:13,867 --> 00:39:17,567 refresh your recollection, as they say in the courtroom. 723 00:39:17,567 --> 00:39:22,600 I've got some really crazy-looking dolls to show you. 724 00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:26,033 These are as nutty as anything. 725 00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:31,400 (woman chuckles) Wow, that's weird. 726 00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:34,934 Woman: These kinda look like cupcakes, don't they? 727 00:39:34,934 --> 00:39:37,667 (Jonathan giggles) She has a belly button. 728 00:39:37,667 --> 00:39:41,667 She has hair on her vagina. (giggles) 729 00:39:41,667 --> 00:39:43,900 (mutters indistinctly) Woman: And this one... 730 00:39:45,700 --> 00:39:48,433 This one has a penis. (chuckles) 731 00:39:50,300 --> 00:39:54,367 Now, I'd like you to look at a picture. 732 00:39:56,967 --> 00:39:59,300 Woman: You know him, don't you? 733 00:40:00,500 --> 00:40:03,133 Remember him? 734 00:40:03,133 --> 00:40:04,567 Uh, yeah, I think. 735 00:40:04,567 --> 00:40:06,333 "I think." Woman: Was he a teacher 736 00:40:06,333 --> 00:40:09,467 when you were in school back then? 737 00:40:09,467 --> 00:40:11,567 Um... 738 00:40:11,567 --> 00:40:14,567 No, I don't think I remember him. 739 00:40:14,567 --> 00:40:16,934 Look at his face. 740 00:40:19,433 --> 00:40:23,133 No. Was he around, maybe back then? 741 00:40:23,133 --> 00:40:26,700 No, I wasn't. Who is she to do this? 742 00:40:26,700 --> 00:40:28,667 Shhh, listen. 743 00:40:31,533 --> 00:40:34,567 I didn't see him much. Once or twice. 744 00:40:34,567 --> 00:40:38,233 Woman: The older kids like you have to help the little kids 745 00:40:38,233 --> 00:40:39,800 'cause they're not as smart as you. 746 00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:41,700 And we found out some crummy stuff 747 00:40:41,700 --> 00:40:43,266 happened to these little kids. 748 00:40:43,266 --> 00:40:45,633 Do you think you might be able to help us out? 749 00:40:45,633 --> 00:40:49,533 It didn't happen to me. No? It didn't happen to you? 750 00:40:51,900 --> 00:40:55,433 Somehow I can't remember. I'm not sure about it. 751 00:40:55,433 --> 00:40:58,200 Woman: Well, sometimes some of this stuff 752 00:40:58,200 --> 00:41:00,767 is really hard to talk about. 753 00:41:00,767 --> 00:41:02,567 And that's why we use puppets! 754 00:41:02,567 --> 00:41:07,266 Hi, Snake! 755 00:41:07,266 --> 00:41:10,100 Some of the kids told us they played yucky games 756 00:41:10,100 --> 00:41:13,867 and the teachers would touch them in some yucky places. 757 00:41:13,867 --> 00:41:16,834 Did something like that happen to Jonathan? 758 00:41:16,834 --> 00:41:18,133 To me it didn't. 759 00:41:18,133 --> 00:41:21,100 It didn't happen to Jonathan? 760 00:41:21,100 --> 00:41:23,600 No, it didn't happen to me. 761 00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:25,033 (voices rewind) 762 00:41:25,033 --> 00:41:29,333 No, it didn't happen to me. "It didn't happen to me." 763 00:41:29,333 --> 00:41:33,633 Do you guys remember the tickle game? 764 00:41:33,633 --> 00:41:35,367 Tickle game? 765 00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:40,300 Woman: Come on. Your memory can't be that bad. 766 00:41:40,300 --> 00:41:44,333 All your best friends say you played it. 767 00:41:44,333 --> 00:41:48,767 What's the matter, Snake? Isn't your memory as good as theirs? 768 00:41:48,767 --> 00:41:51,734 Um, I remember the tickle game. 769 00:41:51,734 --> 00:41:54,266 Woman: See? What a good memory! 770 00:41:54,266 --> 00:41:56,266 I thought I had a bad one. 771 00:41:56,266 --> 00:41:59,400 It might be better than you thought. 772 00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:02,767 Maybe you could show us how the tickle game was played. 773 00:42:02,767 --> 00:42:06,300 Jonathan: We'd crawl around, 774 00:42:06,300 --> 00:42:08,333 and they'd try to get us. 775 00:42:08,333 --> 00:42:12,000 They'd go slow and... 776 00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:14,633 ...tickle us! (scoffs) 777 00:42:15,934 --> 00:42:18,533 Woman: Was it a naked game sometimes? 778 00:42:18,533 --> 00:42:22,400 They'd go like this, and pull up my t-shirt 779 00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:25,367 and tickle my belly. That's all that happened. 780 00:42:25,367 --> 00:42:29,133 Woman: That's all that happened? Yes. 781 00:42:29,133 --> 00:42:31,500 This kid could end up saving your life. 782 00:42:31,500 --> 00:42:35,233 Woman: Okay. You guys remember the naked movie star game? 783 00:42:35,233 --> 00:42:38,000 Naked movie star game? 784 00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:42,734 It was sort of a fashion show, I think. 785 00:42:42,734 --> 00:42:47,600 Where I'll walk across the room. Turn around and around? 786 00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:50,300 What did the grownups do? 787 00:42:52,467 --> 00:42:53,767 Jonathan: I think... 788 00:42:53,767 --> 00:42:57,467 I'm not sure. Taking pictures? 789 00:42:57,467 --> 00:43:01,100 Boy, you're really somethin'! 790 00:43:01,100 --> 00:43:03,500 Who was taking pictures? 791 00:43:03,500 --> 00:43:06,166 I'm really trying to test your brain here. 792 00:43:06,166 --> 00:43:10,667 It was Ray. I know that. (voices rewind) 793 00:43:10,667 --> 00:43:14,767 It was Ray. I know that. (voices rewind) 794 00:43:14,767 --> 00:43:18,734 It was Ray. I know that. Woman: Amazing! 795 00:43:18,734 --> 00:43:22,667 Amazing! Amazing! 796 00:43:22,667 --> 00:43:24,633 Amazing! 797 00:43:24,633 --> 00:43:29,300 It was scary. He told us to hide in a tunnel under the school. 798 00:43:29,300 --> 00:43:32,066 When our moms and dads came, they wouldn't see us. 799 00:43:32,066 --> 00:43:35,433 And we were all naked, 800 00:43:35,433 --> 00:43:38,967 and we had to do this dance. 801 00:43:38,967 --> 00:43:41,767 And Ray, he killed the horse. 802 00:43:41,767 --> 00:43:43,834 He hit it and it died. 803 00:43:46,500 --> 00:43:47,800 What did he hit it with? 804 00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:50,066 A baseball bat. 805 00:43:50,066 --> 00:43:53,700 He hit it and the horse fell down. 806 00:43:53,700 --> 00:43:57,500 Glenn: Who else was there? The Goat Man. 807 00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:03,633 And then they took us to the airport and we flew on a plane. 808 00:44:03,633 --> 00:44:06,967 The airport? Didn't... 809 00:44:06,967 --> 00:44:09,066 Didn't you tell me it was, uh, the car wash? 810 00:44:09,066 --> 00:44:12,133 Uh, it was the airport, 811 00:44:12,133 --> 00:44:14,367 but the plane had no windows. 812 00:44:19,233 --> 00:44:21,433 (door opens) 813 00:44:24,367 --> 00:44:26,667 You're free. You're out on bail. 814 00:44:26,667 --> 00:44:28,667 Your father's waiting to pick you up in the parking lot. 815 00:44:28,667 --> 00:44:31,133 What? Right now? Right now. Let's go. 816 00:44:31,133 --> 00:44:32,900 What about the others? Are they out, too? 817 00:44:32,900 --> 00:44:34,934 Not Ray. But we expected that. 818 00:44:34,934 --> 00:44:37,266 And your mother's lawyer waived her right to a speedy trial. 819 00:44:37,266 --> 00:44:39,934 Oh, my God. All right. Come on. 820 00:44:43,734 --> 00:44:45,900 I'm going to be on my own here again. 821 00:44:45,900 --> 00:44:49,467 It'll be okay, Mom. You'll be out soon. 822 00:44:49,467 --> 00:44:52,533 I'll leave this comb. Maybe you'll need it. 823 00:44:57,800 --> 00:44:59,333 It'll be okay. 824 00:44:59,333 --> 00:45:01,934 Be strong. I love you. 825 00:45:03,367 --> 00:45:07,133 I don't think I can make it here alone. 826 00:45:09,233 --> 00:45:10,934 What? 827 00:45:10,934 --> 00:45:15,200 I don't think I can make it here on my own. 828 00:45:19,266 --> 00:45:23,233 Okay. Okay. (sobbing) 829 00:45:23,233 --> 00:45:26,467 Okay, I'll stay with you. I'll stay. 830 00:45:26,467 --> 00:45:30,100 I won't let 'em put up bail for me 831 00:45:30,100 --> 00:45:32,000 and I'll just... 832 00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:36,200 I can do that. I can stay. Okay? 833 00:45:41,567 --> 00:45:44,800 No. You go on. 834 00:45:48,133 --> 00:45:50,500 Hurry up, before they change their mind. 835 00:45:50,500 --> 00:45:51,967 Go on. 836 00:45:53,633 --> 00:45:57,834 Go on! Go on. 837 00:46:07,233 --> 00:46:10,233 Woman: Prisoner release here. 838 00:46:10,233 --> 00:46:12,066 (sighs) 839 00:46:12,066 --> 00:46:14,967 I'm sorry. I thought I heard you say thank you 840 00:46:14,967 --> 00:46:19,867 for getting you out. Clearly mistaken. 841 00:46:19,867 --> 00:46:24,867 I can't. I can't. I feel too guilty. Guilty about what? 842 00:46:24,867 --> 00:46:28,333 About leaving everybody behind. 843 00:46:53,600 --> 00:46:59,300 Today, just weeks after new DA Ira Reiner's taking over the reins for... 844 00:46:59,300 --> 00:47:02,834 Incredibly, it's now 11 months since we started bringing you these exclusive 845 00:47:02,834 --> 00:47:04,967 reports on this extraordinary... ...from the first child witness, 846 00:47:04,967 --> 00:47:09,133 a seven-year-old boy named simply John Doe 7. 847 00:47:09,133 --> 00:47:11,066 Reporter: Testimony is expected to contain explicit allegations 848 00:47:11,066 --> 00:47:12,667 highly damaging to the defense, 849 00:47:12,667 --> 00:47:14,233 and the mood here in the courthouse 850 00:47:14,233 --> 00:47:15,834 is one of grim anticipation. 851 00:47:15,834 --> 00:47:19,700 There is no doubt that feelings about the case run very high indeed. 852 00:47:19,700 --> 00:47:20,700 Man: Here they come! 853 00:47:20,700 --> 00:47:22,600 Satz: ...in the whole area of child abuse. 854 00:47:22,600 --> 00:47:26,500 I just hope that it doesn't lead to hysteria and contagion. 855 00:47:26,500 --> 00:47:29,166 ♪ ♪ 856 00:47:32,333 --> 00:47:34,266 Peggy Ann: Please, the lights are hurting her eyes! 857 00:47:34,266 --> 00:47:35,633 She's got cataracts. 858 00:47:35,633 --> 00:47:38,033 Danny: Hey, come on. What are you doing? 859 00:47:38,033 --> 00:47:39,900 Come on, she has cataracts. What's going on here? 860 00:47:39,900 --> 00:47:42,633 Hey, move that! What are you doing? You son of a bitch! 861 00:47:42,633 --> 00:47:43,900 (grunts) 862 00:47:43,900 --> 00:47:47,100 No one told you to defend the devil! 863 00:47:53,433 --> 00:47:57,800 Ugh! (camera shutters clicking) 864 00:47:57,800 --> 00:47:59,767 Okay, you got what you need? 865 00:48:14,467 --> 00:48:18,433 As you can see, we've put the press in another room 866 00:48:18,433 --> 00:48:20,567 while children testify. 867 00:48:20,567 --> 00:48:23,467 They will have to watch us on closed-circuit TV. 868 00:48:26,066 --> 00:48:27,600 Hi, Sean. 869 00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:32,066 How old are you? Seven. 870 00:48:32,066 --> 00:48:34,500 Glenn: Do you know the difference between the truth and a lie? 871 00:48:34,500 --> 00:48:35,967 Yes. 872 00:48:35,967 --> 00:48:38,100 Glenn: What happens to you when you tell a lie? 873 00:48:38,100 --> 00:48:41,300 Sean: You get in big trouble. 874 00:48:41,300 --> 00:48:43,000 Glenn: Now, Sean, while you were at school, 875 00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:46,333 did you ever play any naked games? 876 00:48:46,333 --> 00:48:49,000 Cowboys and Indians? 877 00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:52,667 We were the cowboys and they were the Indians 878 00:48:52,667 --> 00:48:57,433 and then they would take us and put us in jail, and then they'd touch us. 879 00:48:57,433 --> 00:49:00,100 Glenn: Where did they touch you? Sean: In the penis. 880 00:49:00,100 --> 00:49:02,734 Glenn: Who touched you, Sean? 881 00:49:02,734 --> 00:49:05,800 Ray and Miss Peggy. 882 00:49:09,533 --> 00:49:12,734 Did you ever play any other naked games? 883 00:49:12,734 --> 00:49:15,900 Alligator game. 884 00:49:15,900 --> 00:49:18,133 Glenn: Could you tell us the names of the people 885 00:49:18,133 --> 00:49:20,600 who played the alligator game? 886 00:49:20,600 --> 00:49:22,800 I don't remember. 887 00:49:27,934 --> 00:49:30,867 Oh, well... what other games 888 00:49:30,867 --> 00:49:33,900 did you play, Sean? 889 00:49:33,900 --> 00:49:36,633 Naked movie star? That's right. 890 00:49:36,633 --> 00:49:39,834 Did somebody take pictures of you during that game? 891 00:49:41,100 --> 00:49:43,533 Yea-- Uh... don't remember. 892 00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:49,066 Now, didn't... didn't you tell me that, uh, Miss Virginia 893 00:49:49,066 --> 00:49:51,767 took the pictures during naked movie star game? 894 00:49:51,767 --> 00:49:55,633 Your Honor, leading the witness. Objection. 895 00:49:55,633 --> 00:49:57,500 Objection overruled. 896 00:49:58,934 --> 00:50:02,200 Sean? Did Miss Virginia 897 00:50:02,200 --> 00:50:03,667 take the pictures 898 00:50:03,667 --> 00:50:06,333 while you played the naked movie star game? 899 00:50:06,333 --> 00:50:07,433 Yes. 900 00:50:07,433 --> 00:50:09,834 Did Ray ever touch you with anything 901 00:50:09,834 --> 00:50:13,934 beside his hand? With his penis. 902 00:50:13,934 --> 00:50:17,433 Glenn: Where did Ray put his penis? 903 00:50:17,433 --> 00:50:20,300 In my penis. 904 00:50:20,300 --> 00:50:23,266 Did he say, "In my penis?" Yes. 905 00:50:23,266 --> 00:50:25,066 Thank you. 906 00:50:30,500 --> 00:50:33,567 Danny: Good morning, Sean. Good morning. 907 00:50:33,567 --> 00:50:37,333 Good morning, Snoopy. (chuckles) 908 00:50:40,066 --> 00:50:44,100 I understand your dad calls you "Haystack." Why is that? 909 00:50:44,100 --> 00:50:46,900 I don't know. Do you think it's 'cause of that little hair 910 00:50:46,900 --> 00:50:49,066 that sticks out there maybe? Yeah. 911 00:50:49,066 --> 00:50:51,700 (laughs) Sean, uh, 912 00:50:51,700 --> 00:50:54,767 your mommy took you to a place called C.I.I. 913 00:50:54,767 --> 00:50:56,567 and there you met a lady named Kee 914 00:50:56,567 --> 00:50:59,400 and she showed you some pretty strange dolls. 915 00:50:59,400 --> 00:51:00,934 Yes. 916 00:51:00,934 --> 00:51:04,133 Danny: And the lady, Kee, 917 00:51:04,133 --> 00:51:07,467 wanted to talk to you about penises, didn't she? Yes. 918 00:51:07,467 --> 00:51:10,166 You think that was kinda funny, this lady you just met 919 00:51:10,166 --> 00:51:14,033 wanted to tell you things like that? Sort of. 920 00:51:14,033 --> 00:51:16,400 Kinda weird. She told you she thought 921 00:51:16,400 --> 00:51:20,800 that Ray had touched you on the penis, didn't she? Yes. 922 00:51:20,800 --> 00:51:24,066 And you said no, didn't you? Yes. 923 00:51:24,066 --> 00:51:27,200 Danny: And she just kept askin' that same old question, didn't she? 924 00:51:27,200 --> 00:51:28,433 Sean: Yeah. 925 00:51:28,433 --> 00:51:29,834 And eventually, you said, 926 00:51:29,834 --> 00:51:32,867 "Well, yeah, Ray touched me on the penis." 927 00:51:32,867 --> 00:51:35,567 Objection. Leading. Judge: Sustained. 928 00:51:39,667 --> 00:51:41,200 When you first talked about this, Sean, 929 00:51:41,200 --> 00:51:45,667 you didn't remember anybody taking pictures, did you? 930 00:51:45,667 --> 00:51:49,000 No. And then Mr. Stevens helped you remember 931 00:51:49,000 --> 00:51:51,300 that Miss Virginia took pictures. Sean: Yes. 932 00:51:51,300 --> 00:51:54,533 Danny: And so you said yes, Virginia did. 933 00:51:54,533 --> 00:51:56,767 Sean: Yes. Danny: And you did that because you knew 934 00:51:56,767 --> 00:51:59,400 he wanted you to say that, right? Sean: Yes. 935 00:51:59,400 --> 00:52:02,033 Danny: And you thought if you didn't, it would make him sad, right? 936 00:52:02,033 --> 00:52:03,767 Sean: Yeah. 937 00:52:03,767 --> 00:52:06,467 Danny: You're telling the story that Kee wants you to tell. 938 00:52:06,467 --> 00:52:08,066 Yes. 939 00:52:08,066 --> 00:52:10,400 Danny: And the story that everybody talks to you about this case 940 00:52:10,400 --> 00:52:12,700 would like you to tell. Yes. 941 00:52:14,700 --> 00:52:16,533 Thanks, Sean. 942 00:52:16,533 --> 00:52:20,467 Thank you. And thank you, Snoopy. 943 00:52:20,467 --> 00:52:23,033 Court will recess for 15 minutes. 944 00:52:23,033 --> 00:52:24,934 ♪ ♪ 945 00:52:24,934 --> 00:52:27,900 (indistinct chatter) 946 00:52:37,266 --> 00:52:41,967 Sean, did anybody tell you what to say when you were in court? 947 00:52:41,967 --> 00:52:44,600 No. 948 00:52:44,600 --> 00:52:47,166 Now, when Mr. Davis asked you 949 00:52:47,166 --> 00:52:52,300 if you were saying the things that everybody wanted you to say, you said yes. 950 00:52:52,300 --> 00:52:53,934 What did you mean by that? 951 00:52:53,934 --> 00:52:57,400 I said it because I know they wanted me to tell the truth, 952 00:52:57,400 --> 00:52:59,300 and I would please them that way. 953 00:52:59,300 --> 00:53:01,433 Thank you, Sean. 954 00:53:01,433 --> 00:53:05,767 Witness will step down. Court will recess. (gavel bangs) 955 00:53:12,300 --> 00:53:14,300 Think we did it or not? It's good, a good trial. 956 00:53:14,300 --> 00:53:15,800 Right. And to really make your day, 957 00:53:15,800 --> 00:53:18,400 during the recess, one of the parents tells the press, 958 00:53:18,400 --> 00:53:20,700 he's found porno pictures of the kids. 959 00:53:20,700 --> 00:53:23,533 Oh, no. Oh, no! But-- but he says he can't produce them 960 00:53:23,533 --> 00:53:25,633 because, listen to this, there are four cops 961 00:53:25,633 --> 00:53:28,667 on the Manhattan Beach Police Department involved in a sex ring. 962 00:53:28,667 --> 00:53:30,900 What? What?! I don't know. 963 00:53:30,900 --> 00:53:33,600 Man: You told millions of people on television 964 00:53:33,600 --> 00:53:36,934 that Jim here was part of a sex ring. 965 00:53:36,934 --> 00:53:39,166 Now say it in front of him. 966 00:53:43,200 --> 00:53:46,667 Okay, you said there were pornographic pictures. 967 00:53:46,667 --> 00:53:51,400 Either you give them to me, or I'll hold you in custody until you do. 968 00:53:51,400 --> 00:53:54,300 There aren't any pictures, are there? 969 00:53:54,300 --> 00:53:56,734 What the hell's the matter with you? 970 00:53:56,734 --> 00:53:58,333 Jim here's got high blood pressure at it is, 971 00:53:58,333 --> 00:54:00,233 without you making up something like that. 972 00:54:00,233 --> 00:54:02,033 Why'd you do it? 973 00:54:03,333 --> 00:54:05,367 We got national coverage for an important issue 974 00:54:05,367 --> 00:54:08,767 affecting the lives of innocent children. 975 00:54:08,767 --> 00:54:13,033 Did you ever hear the term "the end justifies the means"? 976 00:54:14,800 --> 00:54:17,667 Okay, let's strip the bed, and check out the pillow. I got it. 977 00:54:19,500 --> 00:54:22,200 Take it all off. Check it all out. You got it. 978 00:54:22,200 --> 00:54:23,567 Okay. 979 00:54:27,367 --> 00:54:29,500 You're not supposed to bring anything back from court. 980 00:54:29,500 --> 00:54:33,367 It was just something my mother made. 981 00:54:33,367 --> 00:54:35,133 She crocheted it for me. 982 00:54:39,700 --> 00:54:43,367 Okay, take your clothes off, all of 'em. Hurry up. Hurry up. 983 00:54:45,200 --> 00:54:46,900 Hurry up! 984 00:54:49,900 --> 00:54:51,967 Give it to me. 985 00:54:59,200 --> 00:55:01,800 You have to go over every cavity. 986 00:55:05,266 --> 00:55:07,633 Okay, now... 987 00:55:08,734 --> 00:55:10,533 Pull your ears towards me. 988 00:55:14,867 --> 00:55:16,100 Shake your hair. 989 00:55:17,166 --> 00:55:18,767 Pull up your stomach. 990 00:55:22,033 --> 00:55:25,433 Okay. Now, bend over. 991 00:55:28,767 --> 00:55:31,633 Pull open your vagina. 992 00:55:31,633 --> 00:55:35,133 Cough. (coughs) 993 00:55:35,133 --> 00:55:39,200 The reason for the coughing is they like to bring things in stuffed up their vaginas. 994 00:55:39,200 --> 00:55:40,700 Guard: You're kidding. No. 995 00:55:40,700 --> 00:55:42,400 Like drugs, guns. 996 00:55:42,400 --> 00:55:44,867 You wouldn't believe what you can fit up there. 997 00:55:44,867 --> 00:55:47,266 I had one once, brought in six packs of cigarettes. 998 00:55:47,266 --> 00:55:49,233 (laughs) 999 00:55:49,233 --> 00:55:52,266 Can I put on my clothes? 1000 00:55:52,266 --> 00:55:54,967 What are you doing tonight? I don't know. 1001 00:55:54,967 --> 00:55:57,734 I thought I'd catch the new Clint Eastwood movie. How about you? 1002 00:55:57,734 --> 00:56:00,934 I might shoot some pool. 1003 00:56:00,934 --> 00:56:03,600 I want to go home. 1004 00:56:05,300 --> 00:56:07,266 She wouldn't even let Dad see her naked. 1005 00:56:07,266 --> 00:56:10,367 I can't believe they'd do that to her. 1006 00:56:12,433 --> 00:56:14,767 Do we have to keep lugging this school stuff around? 1007 00:56:14,767 --> 00:56:17,133 Can't we get rid of it? 1008 00:56:17,133 --> 00:56:20,533 This is the sixth time we've had to move it. 1009 00:56:20,533 --> 00:56:22,867 (sighs) 1010 00:56:24,734 --> 00:56:26,834 Gram? 1011 00:56:33,166 --> 00:56:34,934 (softly) Gram? 1012 00:56:41,333 --> 00:56:45,467 How can you smile? Doesn't it make you bitter? 1013 00:56:45,467 --> 00:56:48,800 Virginia: Of course it does. 1014 00:56:48,800 --> 00:56:51,367 But who says I can't be bitter 1015 00:56:51,367 --> 00:56:54,700 and still enjoy the sight of little kids playing? 1016 00:56:57,100 --> 00:56:58,633 (laughs) 1017 00:56:58,633 --> 00:57:00,233 Woman: Where did Peggy Ann 1018 00:57:00,233 --> 00:57:02,266 touch you on your body? On my dick. 1019 00:57:02,266 --> 00:57:04,333 Woman: Did you have to touch Peggy Ann? 1020 00:57:04,333 --> 00:57:05,934 Boy: Yes. Where? 1021 00:57:05,934 --> 00:57:07,233 Boy: On her boobs. 1022 00:57:07,233 --> 00:57:09,567 Did you have to touch any other part of her body 1023 00:57:09,567 --> 00:57:13,233 besides her boobs? Her puss. 1024 00:57:13,233 --> 00:57:15,367 Did you see Ray do anything to Peggy Ann? 1025 00:57:15,367 --> 00:57:17,867 He would put his dick in her puss. 1026 00:57:17,867 --> 00:57:21,967 Woman: Did you see Ray do anything to the animals at school? 1027 00:57:21,967 --> 00:57:24,734 Boy: He would cut the ears off the rabbits. 1028 00:57:24,734 --> 00:57:27,333 Woman: Did Ray say anything while he was doing that to the rabbits? 1029 00:57:27,333 --> 00:57:29,133 Boy: He said it would happen to our parents 1030 00:57:29,133 --> 00:57:31,166 if we told any of our secrets. 1031 00:57:31,166 --> 00:57:33,100 Woman: Did the teachers take you any other place 1032 00:57:33,100 --> 00:57:36,834 outside of the school? To Harry's Market. 1033 00:57:36,834 --> 00:57:38,967 Woman: And what happened when you got there? 1034 00:57:38,967 --> 00:57:41,166 They took us in this storage room 1035 00:57:41,166 --> 00:57:43,867 and touched us on our dicks and took pictures. 1036 00:57:43,867 --> 00:57:47,100 Woman: Did you go anyplace else besides the market? 1037 00:57:47,100 --> 00:57:49,700 To a church. 1038 00:57:49,700 --> 00:57:52,967 Saint Cross Church. 1039 00:57:52,967 --> 00:57:55,400 What happened at the church? 1040 00:57:55,400 --> 00:57:57,100 Boy: The took us down the aisle, 1041 00:57:57,100 --> 00:57:58,800 and on the altar they put animals 1042 00:57:58,800 --> 00:58:02,934 like birds and rabbits and chopped them to pieces. 1043 00:58:05,166 --> 00:58:07,300 Who is "they," Jonathan? 1044 00:58:07,300 --> 00:58:09,300 I saw people wearing black costumes 1045 00:58:09,300 --> 00:58:12,066 with ropes around their waists. 1046 00:58:12,066 --> 00:58:14,233 And it would look really scary. 1047 00:58:14,233 --> 00:58:16,433 And sometimes they'd have devil suits on. 1048 00:58:16,433 --> 00:58:18,467 Woman: Devil suits? 1049 00:58:18,467 --> 00:58:21,700 Yeah. And we were forced to drink rabbit blood. 1050 00:58:21,700 --> 00:58:23,000 (all murmuring) 1051 00:58:23,000 --> 00:58:24,700 Reporter: The witness, a ten-year-old boy, 1052 00:58:24,700 --> 00:58:27,133 gave perhaps the most terrorizing testimony 1053 00:58:27,133 --> 00:58:30,233 so far as he told the court about... 1054 00:58:30,233 --> 00:58:33,166 Did you hear what he said in there? They'll kill us. I know. 1055 00:58:33,166 --> 00:58:35,934 Sacrifices in a church, devils... Just take it easy, Christine. 1056 00:58:35,934 --> 00:58:39,100 Glenn, has Rubin been telling Reiner the problems we're having? 1057 00:58:39,100 --> 00:58:41,633 I don't know. Well, she told me she would. 1058 00:58:41,633 --> 00:58:43,333 I mean, if she doesn't, I will. 1059 00:58:43,333 --> 00:58:45,533 ...told a rapt courthouse how he was forced to drink 1060 00:58:45,533 --> 00:58:46,934 the blood of a slaughtered rabbit. 1061 00:58:46,934 --> 00:58:50,367 Satz on TV: What did you think of Brian's testimony? 1062 00:58:50,367 --> 00:58:52,800 Do you think there was actually Satanism... Danny: This is unbelievable. 1063 00:58:52,800 --> 00:58:55,767 ...at the McMartin school? Can you believe this shit? 1064 00:58:55,767 --> 00:58:58,667 I mean, sacrifices, group sex, 1065 00:58:58,667 --> 00:59:00,633 people walking around in robes. I mean, next they're gonna 1066 00:59:00,633 --> 00:59:03,433 have some kid telling about the guy they nailed to a cross, 1067 00:59:03,433 --> 00:59:06,433 or the virgin they sacrificed on the altar. This is getting scary. 1068 00:59:06,433 --> 00:59:09,467 It's out of control. Don't you think? Hon? 1069 00:59:09,467 --> 00:59:13,266 Don't you think so? I do. I think this is out of control. 1070 00:59:13,266 --> 00:59:18,266 I believe we may be dealing with a nationwide conspiracy of child predators 1071 00:59:18,266 --> 00:59:22,266 who are operating daycare centers as a cover for child abuse. 1072 00:59:22,266 --> 00:59:24,700 Reporter: Satanism, devil worship 1073 00:59:24,700 --> 00:59:26,967 is being practiced all across the country. 1074 00:59:26,967 --> 00:59:29,967 We have all types of perversion. 1075 00:59:29,967 --> 00:59:31,967 Reporter: Is cannibalism part of the rituals? 1076 00:59:31,967 --> 00:59:33,633 The children have spoken about this... 1077 00:59:33,633 --> 00:59:37,100 Children were made to chew pieces 1078 00:59:37,100 --> 00:59:39,200 of these children's hearts. 1079 00:59:39,200 --> 00:59:41,400 Pieces of their flesh. 1080 00:59:41,400 --> 00:59:43,533 Reporter: When parents begin to realize these things 1081 00:59:43,533 --> 00:59:46,800 are really happening, and not just something out of the Dark Ages, 1082 00:59:46,800 --> 00:59:49,633 it'll be much more difficult for these people 1083 00:59:49,633 --> 00:59:52,300 to pull these things off. (children shouting) 1084 00:59:52,300 --> 00:59:55,500 When we hear of ritual sacrifices, 1085 00:59:55,500 --> 00:59:58,033 our reaction is one of horrific avoidance. 1086 00:59:58,033 --> 01:00:01,300 We say things like, "This only happened in the Middle Ages." 1087 01:00:01,300 --> 01:00:05,166 It doesn't mean that children are not telling the truth. 1088 01:00:05,166 --> 01:00:08,667 (children shouting) 1089 01:00:08,667 --> 01:00:11,200 Danny: So where is your storage room? 1090 01:00:11,200 --> 01:00:12,700 Man: I'll show you. Danny: Oh. 1091 01:00:14,233 --> 01:00:17,166 This is it? 1092 01:00:17,166 --> 01:00:19,133 You can see the whole room from the store. 1093 01:00:19,133 --> 01:00:21,700 My cashier is over there. 1094 01:00:21,700 --> 01:00:24,266 He can see everything from the cash register. 1095 01:00:24,266 --> 01:00:25,767 And it's always been this way? Always. 1096 01:00:25,767 --> 01:00:27,300 (cash register dings) 1097 01:00:27,300 --> 01:00:29,734 Glenn: Is there any way what he said could have happened? 1098 01:00:29,734 --> 01:00:32,000 Priest: Well, our doors are always locked. 1099 01:00:32,000 --> 01:00:33,667 We had a robbery in the office one night 1100 01:00:33,667 --> 01:00:36,166 and the police told us that they wouldn't give us any surveillance 1101 01:00:36,166 --> 01:00:37,967 unless we kept the doors locked. 1102 01:00:37,967 --> 01:00:39,900 Could someone have broken in? 1103 01:00:39,900 --> 01:00:43,667 No. Not without the treasurer or the secretary or the accountant 1104 01:00:43,667 --> 01:00:46,200 hearing it from the chapel. 1105 01:00:46,200 --> 01:00:48,000 (vacuum whirring) 1106 01:00:48,000 --> 01:00:51,166 (reporters clamoring) 1107 01:00:51,166 --> 01:00:53,000 Could you hold the door, please? 1108 01:00:53,000 --> 01:00:54,500 (clamoring continues) 1109 01:01:02,100 --> 01:01:04,433 Reporter: Hold it! Virginia! 1110 01:01:04,433 --> 01:01:06,300 Hold that right there. 1111 01:01:13,367 --> 01:01:16,900 Are you sure you can ride in the same elevator as us, Mr. Satz? 1112 01:01:16,900 --> 01:01:18,533 We might pull out a rabbit and drink its blood, 1113 01:01:18,533 --> 01:01:20,100 or take off our clothes and dance around naked. 1114 01:01:20,100 --> 01:01:24,600 Miss Buckey, I don't make the news. I just report it. 1115 01:01:24,600 --> 01:01:27,767 How do you expect anybody to know your side if you won't tell them 1116 01:01:27,767 --> 01:01:30,200 what you're feeling, and that you're innocent? 1117 01:01:30,200 --> 01:01:32,533 (elevator dings) You wouldn't be interested and you know it. 1118 01:01:32,533 --> 01:01:34,834 All you want is Ray Buckey trapped like an animal! 1119 01:01:34,834 --> 01:01:36,934 No comment. Sorry, no comment. 1120 01:01:36,934 --> 01:01:38,300 Virginia McMartin flashed kids from her wheelchair! 1121 01:01:38,300 --> 01:01:41,667 Peggy Ann Buckey made a three-year-old child copulate her. 1122 01:01:41,667 --> 01:01:43,734 You couldn't care less about the truth! 1123 01:01:43,734 --> 01:01:46,400 No more questions. What were you thinking? Don't you ever do that. 1124 01:01:46,400 --> 01:01:49,834 Don't ever do that again! Why not? This whole thing is a farce. 1125 01:01:49,834 --> 01:01:52,266 Nothing happened at school. You know it, and he knows it! 1126 01:01:52,266 --> 01:01:55,500 I'm sorry, no comment. Somebody has to be the voice of sanity. 1127 01:01:55,500 --> 01:01:58,533 I like your witnesses. 1128 01:01:58,533 --> 01:01:59,934 One of them recants, 1129 01:01:59,934 --> 01:02:03,300 saying he was making it all up so you wouldn't be sad. 1130 01:02:03,300 --> 01:02:05,667 The other says he went to Saint Cross Church 1131 01:02:05,667 --> 01:02:07,800 and a rabbit was killed on the altar 1132 01:02:07,800 --> 01:02:09,667 and he had to drink its blood. 1133 01:02:09,667 --> 01:02:11,233 What are you trying to do, win your case 1134 01:02:11,233 --> 01:02:13,900 or audition for "Saturday Night Live"? 1135 01:02:13,900 --> 01:02:16,400 Why in the hell did you use them? 1136 01:02:16,400 --> 01:02:18,066 Christine: I'll answer that for Glenn. 1137 01:02:18,066 --> 01:02:20,100 Because they're the best witnesses we have. 1138 01:02:20,100 --> 01:02:23,066 What about the tapes? You have to see them to believe them. 1139 01:02:23,066 --> 01:02:26,734 What does that mean? The kids don't have to say anything. 1140 01:02:26,734 --> 01:02:29,367 Kee McFarlane and Sandy Krebs tell them everything. 1141 01:02:29,367 --> 01:02:31,133 If they say they weren't molested, they say, 1142 01:02:31,133 --> 01:02:34,333 "Well, everybody else said you were, so you must be wrong." 1143 01:02:34,333 --> 01:02:37,967 And if they say they were molested, say, "Boy, you're really amazing." 1144 01:02:37,967 --> 01:02:39,467 Rubin: Well, what did you expect? 1145 01:02:39,467 --> 01:02:40,967 The kids were just gonna come out and say, 1146 01:02:40,967 --> 01:02:42,433 "Hey, I was raped and sodomized?" 1147 01:02:42,433 --> 01:02:43,934 Especially after they were threatened 1148 01:02:43,934 --> 01:02:45,533 with harm to their parents? 1149 01:02:45,533 --> 01:02:47,767 Reiner: Let me ask a silly question. 1150 01:02:47,767 --> 01:02:51,000 Why am I hearing this for the first time? 1151 01:02:51,000 --> 01:02:54,867 Didn't anybody look at the evidence a long time ago? 1152 01:02:54,867 --> 01:02:59,166 Yes, of course we did. But when we filed the charges, there wasn't time. 1153 01:02:59,166 --> 01:03:00,967 There was just too much of it. 1154 01:03:00,967 --> 01:03:03,100 We had to rely on McFarlane's logs. 1155 01:03:03,100 --> 01:03:05,767 Reiner: Well, aren't they reliable? No. They're not. 1156 01:03:08,500 --> 01:03:12,166 What exactly do we have going for us? 1157 01:03:12,166 --> 01:03:14,967 We have a confession. Man: Freeman. 1158 01:03:14,967 --> 01:03:18,567 The guy who was in the cell with Buckey. Do you believe him? 1159 01:03:18,567 --> 01:03:20,834 I don't bring forward witnesses I don't believe in. 1160 01:03:20,834 --> 01:03:23,867 I don't like snitches, and neither do juries. 1161 01:03:23,867 --> 01:03:25,900 They might not like them, but they're impressed by them, 1162 01:03:25,900 --> 01:03:27,734 even if it's only on a subliminal basis. 1163 01:03:27,734 --> 01:03:31,667 What about the medical evidence that they were abused? 1164 01:03:31,667 --> 01:03:36,133 We can't get any doctor who is independent of C.I.I. 1165 01:03:36,133 --> 01:03:37,533 to corroborate it. 1166 01:03:37,533 --> 01:03:38,667 No one of stature. 1167 01:03:38,667 --> 01:03:41,300 They say it's inconclusive. 1168 01:03:41,300 --> 01:03:44,367 Reiner: I want recommendations. Stevens. 1169 01:03:44,367 --> 01:03:48,033 Well, there... there are problems with the case. 1170 01:03:48,033 --> 01:03:51,333 But there are other considerations, too. Like the media. 1171 01:03:51,333 --> 01:03:52,433 Please, leave them out of it. 1172 01:03:52,433 --> 01:03:55,200 I'm developing a reasonable doubt on six. 1173 01:03:55,200 --> 01:03:57,233 I say drop the charges against the women. 1174 01:03:57,233 --> 01:04:01,066 Are you serious? They molested children! 1175 01:04:01,066 --> 01:04:03,533 Reiner: What about Buckey? Can we get a conviction? 1176 01:04:03,533 --> 01:04:06,600 Maybe. Maybe? 1177 01:04:06,600 --> 01:04:09,333 Christine: He wasn't even at the school when four of the children 1178 01:04:09,333 --> 01:04:11,667 are saying he molested them. 1179 01:04:11,667 --> 01:04:14,133 Glenn: And the kids' stories are changing. 1180 01:04:14,133 --> 01:04:16,767 They said that they were taken by the teachers to car washes, 1181 01:04:16,767 --> 01:04:19,033 to mortuaries, to cemeteries. 1182 01:04:19,033 --> 01:04:22,000 Flown in an airplane to Palm Springs. 1183 01:04:22,000 --> 01:04:25,567 Not one piece of corroboration. Not one person saw them. 1184 01:04:29,667 --> 01:04:32,333 All right, look. This office can do what it wants. 1185 01:04:32,333 --> 01:04:35,233 As far as I'm concerned, I don't intend to drop any 1186 01:04:35,233 --> 01:04:37,300 of the charges against any of the defendants. 1187 01:04:37,300 --> 01:04:39,934 I think we have a clear duty here. 1188 01:04:39,934 --> 01:04:41,667 But we're not even sure about Buckey. 1189 01:04:41,667 --> 01:04:45,033 Look, look. Here is a guy who abuses drugs, 1190 01:04:45,033 --> 01:04:48,066 who flunked out of almost every school he ever attended, 1191 01:04:48,066 --> 01:04:50,100 who sits in this preschool day after day 1192 01:04:50,100 --> 01:04:51,834 with his genitals exposed to these children. 1193 01:04:51,834 --> 01:04:54,467 And there's something even more significant. What? 1194 01:04:54,467 --> 01:04:56,000 Let me have the picture, Glenn. 1195 01:04:56,000 --> 01:04:58,967 This a picture of Buckey at a pyramid convention. 1196 01:04:58,967 --> 01:05:00,200 You see this woman here? 1197 01:05:00,200 --> 01:05:03,000 She told investigators she took him to a motel. 1198 01:05:03,000 --> 01:05:07,367 The woman even paid the tab, and Buckey couldn't get it up! 1199 01:05:07,367 --> 01:05:09,934 What does that have to do with molesting children? 1200 01:05:09,934 --> 01:05:12,834 Put it together with the rest of the evidence, Christine. 1201 01:05:12,834 --> 01:05:14,467 Obviously, this is a man 1202 01:05:14,467 --> 01:05:17,200 for whom normal sex is not possible. 1203 01:05:17,200 --> 01:05:20,900 He had to gratify himself some way. Don't you think this begins to add up? 1204 01:05:20,900 --> 01:05:24,900 Maybe, but that doesn't explain his mother, his sister, his grandmother. 1205 01:05:24,900 --> 01:05:27,567 The old woman in the dark glasses? Look, Glenn. 1206 01:05:27,567 --> 01:05:30,700 You don't think that women are capable of the same desires 1207 01:05:30,700 --> 01:05:33,166 and the same aberrations as men? 1208 01:05:35,100 --> 01:05:38,133 Philobosian. 1209 01:05:38,133 --> 01:05:40,200 208 counts. 1210 01:05:40,200 --> 01:05:42,333 Do you think he over-fired? 1211 01:05:42,333 --> 01:05:43,834 (laughter) 1212 01:05:43,834 --> 01:05:46,033 Could be the election had something to do with it. 1213 01:05:46,033 --> 01:05:48,066 You think? All right, all right. 1214 01:05:48,066 --> 01:05:50,834 Look, just because we're having some trouble with some evidence, 1215 01:05:50,834 --> 01:05:53,767 that doesn't make these people suddenly innocent. 1216 01:05:53,767 --> 01:05:56,500 Children don't lie about this kind of thing. 1217 01:05:56,500 --> 01:05:59,533 There is a smoking gun out there! I know it! 1218 01:05:59,533 --> 01:06:01,033 We've just gotta find it! 1219 01:06:01,033 --> 01:06:04,333 Somebody is gonna get drunk and confide in someone. 1220 01:06:04,333 --> 01:06:07,333 Somebody is gonna attempt suicide and leave a note. 1221 01:06:07,333 --> 01:06:09,767 Somebody is gonna find those pornographic pictures. 1222 01:06:09,767 --> 01:06:13,800 That's all we need! One picture! One! 1223 01:06:15,667 --> 01:06:17,133 I'd like to say something. 1224 01:06:17,133 --> 01:06:19,667 What is this about, Mrs. McMartin? Please be seated. 1225 01:06:19,667 --> 01:06:23,867 You told my lawyer that the county will no longer agree to pay him his fee. 1226 01:06:23,867 --> 01:06:27,867 I have no more money. They took my school. 1227 01:06:27,867 --> 01:06:29,233 I have nothing left. 1228 01:06:29,233 --> 01:06:31,700 Mr. Brunen knew what he was getting into 1229 01:06:31,700 --> 01:06:34,433 when he took this case, and he's been paid a large sum of money. 1230 01:06:34,433 --> 01:06:36,200 He will continue on to the end of the hearing. 1231 01:06:36,200 --> 01:06:39,600 I've never accepted charity before, and I don't intend to now. 1232 01:06:39,600 --> 01:06:41,266 Then I'll get you another attorney. 1233 01:06:41,266 --> 01:06:46,033 I won't talk to him. Mrs. McMartin, do you have any knowledge of the law? 1234 01:06:46,033 --> 01:06:48,834 I have something more important. I know the children. 1235 01:06:48,834 --> 01:06:51,300 I've had them all sit on my lap. 1236 01:06:51,300 --> 01:06:53,066 I think all of you better take a course in children. 1237 01:06:53,066 --> 01:06:55,033 It's my decision Mr. Brunen will continue on as your counsel 1238 01:06:55,033 --> 01:06:57,500 as to not interfere with this hearing. I will not, and I'll get up 1239 01:06:57,500 --> 01:07:00,066 and walk out of this courtroom if you insist! Mrs. McMartin, you will remain 1240 01:07:00,066 --> 01:07:02,100 in the courtroom! Mom! 1241 01:07:02,100 --> 01:07:04,367 You will have to stay, ma'am. Are you going to use force? 1242 01:07:04,367 --> 01:07:07,734 Why don't you have a seat. I will not have a seat. 1243 01:07:07,734 --> 01:07:10,000 If you wish to use force, do it. 1244 01:07:10,000 --> 01:07:11,133 You're a little bigger than I am. 1245 01:07:11,133 --> 01:07:12,500 You are ordered to sit down 1246 01:07:12,500 --> 01:07:14,567 or you will be cited for contempt! Danny: Please, Your Honor. 1247 01:07:14,567 --> 01:07:16,200 Put me in jail! Your Honor... 1248 01:07:16,200 --> 01:07:19,967 I've been in your jail, I know what terrible places they are. 1249 01:07:19,967 --> 01:07:22,333 Mom, you want to go to jail? 1250 01:07:22,333 --> 01:07:24,600 You wouldn't be able to stand it, you know it. 1251 01:07:24,600 --> 01:07:27,767 Mrs.-- Mrs. McMartin! You do not want to go to jail! 1252 01:07:27,767 --> 01:07:29,734 Please, Your Honor. 1253 01:07:29,734 --> 01:07:33,000 I know how you feel, but this is not the way. 1254 01:07:33,000 --> 01:07:35,967 Don't make things worse for your family, please. 1255 01:07:43,500 --> 01:07:45,000 Gram? 1256 01:07:51,467 --> 01:07:53,734 Just go ahead and sit down. 1257 01:08:00,834 --> 01:08:04,266 (phone rings) 1258 01:08:06,333 --> 01:08:09,800 Yeah? Judy: Malcolm's butt is red again. 1259 01:08:09,800 --> 01:08:12,166 Whoa. Who is this? 1260 01:08:12,166 --> 01:08:14,333 Judy? 1261 01:08:14,333 --> 01:08:17,467 What... what happened? What? What? Is Malcolm okay? 1262 01:08:17,467 --> 01:08:18,600 Judy: He's all right for now. 1263 01:08:18,600 --> 01:08:21,033 But the dog's behind is red, too. 1264 01:08:21,033 --> 01:08:24,300 And it's missing hair there, too. 1265 01:08:24,300 --> 01:08:27,266 Judy, are you trying to tell me 1266 01:08:27,266 --> 01:08:29,600 that someone molested your dog? 1267 01:08:29,600 --> 01:08:33,467 Judy: Yes. I think it was the Marine. He's been following me. 1268 01:08:33,467 --> 01:08:34,967 He's going to kill us, I know it! Judy! 1269 01:08:34,967 --> 01:08:37,300 What the hell are you talking about? 1270 01:08:37,300 --> 01:08:42,100 Did you ever read the note she wrote describing what happened? 1271 01:08:42,100 --> 01:08:45,100 "Malcolm was hurt by a lion. 1272 01:08:45,100 --> 01:08:48,266 There was a baby, the head was chopped open and the brains were burned. 1273 01:08:48,266 --> 01:08:51,400 Malcolm had to drink the baby's blood." 1274 01:08:52,734 --> 01:08:54,867 Did the defense get this note? 1275 01:08:54,867 --> 01:08:57,567 I assume Rubin sent it over. 1276 01:08:57,567 --> 01:08:59,300 Then we're off the hook, 'cause I sure as hell 1277 01:08:59,300 --> 01:09:01,700 don't have time to butt heads with her. 1278 01:09:03,433 --> 01:09:05,567 Danny: At the cemetery, you were forced 1279 01:09:05,567 --> 01:09:08,233 to dig up the bodies of dead people? 1280 01:09:08,233 --> 01:09:09,834 Yes. 1281 01:09:09,834 --> 01:09:11,600 Danny: And did the teachers give the kids shovels 1282 01:09:11,600 --> 01:09:14,700 to dig up the bodies? Yes. 1283 01:09:14,700 --> 01:09:16,633 Danny: Permission to approach, Your Honor. 1284 01:09:19,100 --> 01:09:21,100 Now... 1285 01:09:21,100 --> 01:09:24,767 these are pictures of some men with numbers under them, right? 1286 01:09:24,767 --> 01:09:27,633 Yes. Look at these very carefully, Aaron, 1287 01:09:27,633 --> 01:09:30,567 and if you see any of the men who went with you to the cemetery, 1288 01:09:30,567 --> 01:09:34,800 draw a circle around their pictures with the red pencil. 1289 01:09:54,166 --> 01:09:56,233 Okay? 1290 01:09:56,233 --> 01:09:59,100 Your Honor, I would like to indicate, for the record, that Aaron has identified 1291 01:09:59,100 --> 01:10:03,734 city attorney James Hahn and actor Chuck Norris. 1292 01:10:03,734 --> 01:10:07,400 (murmuring) Thank you. 1293 01:10:09,700 --> 01:10:14,100 (theme music plays) 1294 01:10:14,100 --> 01:10:16,900 Announcer: This is ABC News Nightline. 1295 01:10:16,900 --> 01:10:19,667 Reporting from Washington, Ted Koppel. 1296 01:10:19,667 --> 01:10:22,967 Joining us now, live in our Los Angeles bureau, is Daniel Davis, 1297 01:10:22,967 --> 01:10:24,934 who is defense attorney for Raymond Buckey, 1298 01:10:24,934 --> 01:10:27,166 one of the defendants in the McMartin case. 1299 01:10:27,166 --> 01:10:31,233 Mr. Davis, I understand that your first responsibility is to your client 1300 01:10:31,233 --> 01:10:34,266 and to come up with the best defense you possibly can for him. 1301 01:10:34,266 --> 01:10:37,367 But it doesn't sound as though you're taking any prisoners 1302 01:10:37,367 --> 01:10:40,700 among your six and seven-year-old witnesses. 1303 01:10:40,700 --> 01:10:44,100 My client is in jail at this moment without bail 1304 01:10:44,100 --> 01:10:45,533 because of the statements of these children. 1305 01:10:45,533 --> 01:10:47,066 That's good. 1306 01:10:47,066 --> 01:10:49,266 Koppel: Is it necessary to be quite that tough with them? 1307 01:10:49,266 --> 01:10:53,200 Mr. Buckey is being held, an innocent man without bail... 1308 01:10:53,200 --> 01:10:55,667 Doesn't this frighten you? What? 1309 01:10:55,667 --> 01:10:58,367 You're getting to be as much despised as the McMartins. 1310 01:10:58,367 --> 01:11:01,233 Maybe even more. Thanks for sharing. 1311 01:11:01,233 --> 01:11:03,633 Yeah, it frightens me. This case is a nightmare. 1312 01:11:03,633 --> 01:11:06,300 They got the train on the tracks, it's rolling, it's winning them votes 1313 01:11:06,300 --> 01:11:09,567 and sound bites, but nobody's willing to put on their brakes. Of course it frightens me. 1314 01:11:09,567 --> 01:11:13,333 Big train, fast track? I mean, what, you make it sound like it's so exciting! 1315 01:11:13,333 --> 01:11:14,734 But it's not! It's taking you nowhere! 1316 01:11:14,734 --> 01:11:17,433 Why are you doing this? Look, just get out of this case. 1317 01:11:17,433 --> 01:11:19,367 It's gonna cost you your career. Are you kidding? 1318 01:11:19,367 --> 01:11:21,000 This case is why guys go to law school. 1319 01:11:21,000 --> 01:11:22,567 This case is about justice. 1320 01:11:22,567 --> 01:11:24,734 Oh, come on. (turns volume down) 1321 01:11:24,734 --> 01:11:26,867 Give me a break. Hey! I'm-- 1322 01:11:26,867 --> 01:11:30,100 This case is just as scummy as all the others, even scummier! 1323 01:11:30,100 --> 01:11:33,000 And, and you know what? If you do win this case, 1324 01:11:33,000 --> 01:11:36,233 you're just gonna encourage child abusers to think that they can get away with it. 1325 01:11:36,233 --> 01:11:38,166 You know what? You're just like all the rest! 1326 01:11:38,166 --> 01:11:40,533 You are so wrong, it's pathetic! 1327 01:11:40,533 --> 01:11:43,734 You know, you just say the word "kids," and everybody rushes to judgement. 1328 01:11:43,734 --> 01:11:46,400 Hang 'em, fry 'em, just string them up by their fingernails. 1329 01:11:46,400 --> 01:11:49,567 How come everybody in America knows these people are guilty? 1330 01:11:49,567 --> 01:11:52,100 What about the facts? What about the fucking facts?! 1331 01:11:52,100 --> 01:11:54,467 If you're so sure you're right, then why are you yelling? 1332 01:11:54,467 --> 01:11:57,233 Because I didn't grow up with the advantages you grew up with. Okay? 1333 01:11:57,233 --> 01:12:00,433 I grew up in a slum where everybody called a spade a goddamn shovel. 1334 01:12:00,433 --> 01:12:02,867 I'm not a club type of lawyer. I'm just a hack. 1335 01:12:02,867 --> 01:12:04,567 Yeah, and maybe I'm part of what's fucking up the system, 1336 01:12:04,567 --> 01:12:06,333 because the system is fucked up 1337 01:12:06,333 --> 01:12:07,934 and everybody should know about it. 1338 01:12:07,934 --> 01:12:09,967 You know what's basically at stake here? 1339 01:12:09,967 --> 01:12:11,900 It's called the rule of law. 1340 01:12:11,900 --> 01:12:14,166 And I happen to like it! 1341 01:12:15,800 --> 01:12:17,867 Judy? 1342 01:12:21,066 --> 01:12:23,000 Get off my land, this is sacred property! 1343 01:12:23,000 --> 01:12:25,567 Judy? 1344 01:12:25,567 --> 01:12:27,834 It's me, Steve. 1345 01:12:29,166 --> 01:12:30,433 What are you doin' with that thing? 1346 01:12:30,433 --> 01:12:31,700 Don't you touch my children! 1347 01:12:31,700 --> 01:12:32,834 Don't you touch my babies! 1348 01:12:32,834 --> 01:12:35,433 Or I'll kill you, I'm Jesus Johnson. 1349 01:12:37,533 --> 01:12:40,333 Doctor: She pulled out a 12-gauge shotgun on her brother 1350 01:12:40,333 --> 01:12:43,400 because she thought he was coming to kill her babies. 1351 01:12:43,400 --> 01:12:47,934 All she talks about is how the neighbors are trying to sexually molest her kids. 1352 01:12:47,934 --> 01:12:51,400 What is it? Acute paranoid schizophrenia. 1353 01:12:51,400 --> 01:12:52,834 And the drinking doesn't help. 1354 01:12:52,834 --> 01:12:54,567 What do you mean, the drinking? 1355 01:12:54,567 --> 01:12:58,000 She's been an alcoholic for years. Didn't you know that? 1356 01:13:00,200 --> 01:13:01,800 (moans) 1357 01:13:01,800 --> 01:13:04,767 Judge: We'll recess for a late lunch. 1358 01:13:04,767 --> 01:13:07,600 Court will resume at 2:30. 1359 01:13:11,734 --> 01:13:14,900 Bailiff: Let's go. Come on. See you after lunch. 1360 01:13:14,900 --> 01:13:17,100 Time to go. 1361 01:13:17,100 --> 01:13:18,633 We're gonna go through each one... 1362 01:13:18,633 --> 01:13:20,800 Come on. Let's go. 1363 01:13:20,800 --> 01:13:23,066 All right, easy. Come on. 1364 01:13:23,066 --> 01:13:24,333 Okay, dear. Bye, Mom. 1365 01:13:24,333 --> 01:13:26,200 See you later. See you tomorrow, dear. 1366 01:13:26,200 --> 01:13:28,233 I'll be here, sweetheart. I'll be here. 1367 01:13:28,233 --> 01:13:29,567 Bailiff: Come on. 1368 01:13:29,567 --> 01:13:31,000 Don't forget to take your medicine. 1369 01:13:31,000 --> 01:13:34,133 Come on. Let's go. Don't push me so fast. 1370 01:13:34,133 --> 01:13:36,333 Come on. Let's go. Please don't go so fast. 1371 01:13:36,333 --> 01:13:38,000 (screams) Peggy! 1372 01:13:38,000 --> 01:13:39,867 Peggy Ann: Mom! Virginia: Peggy! 1373 01:13:39,867 --> 01:13:42,400 What are they doing? They're not doing anything to her! 1374 01:13:42,400 --> 01:13:44,700 No, she's all right. She just tripped. I saw it. 1375 01:13:44,700 --> 01:13:47,600 I saw it. She's okay. I don't trust you! 1376 01:13:47,600 --> 01:13:50,200 I don't trust any of you! She's gonna be okay. 1377 01:13:50,200 --> 01:13:52,567 All I've heard are lies! 1378 01:13:52,567 --> 01:13:55,900 Lies from the first day in this courtroom! 1379 01:13:55,900 --> 01:13:57,333 Calm down. She's fine. 1380 01:13:57,333 --> 01:13:59,433 What's happened to my daughter? She just stumbled. 1381 01:14:12,834 --> 01:14:14,200 Hey, Faye. Hey! 1382 01:14:14,200 --> 01:14:15,834 Can I buy you lunch? Sure. 1383 01:14:15,834 --> 01:14:17,667 We were just going to that Greek place. 1384 01:14:17,667 --> 01:14:20,633 They have pea soup today. Okay. 1385 01:14:20,633 --> 01:14:24,333 Uh... I can, uh... 1386 01:14:24,333 --> 01:14:28,000 speak to you guys off the record, right? 1387 01:14:36,133 --> 01:14:37,700 Danny: Whammo! 1388 01:14:37,700 --> 01:14:38,900 It's gotta be Glenn Stevens. 1389 01:14:38,900 --> 01:14:41,000 He's the only one in that office with enough guts. 1390 01:14:41,000 --> 01:14:43,333 This is unbelievable. 1391 01:14:44,500 --> 01:14:45,700 Whoa! 1392 01:14:45,700 --> 01:14:47,533 Rubin: Are you really naive enough 1393 01:14:47,533 --> 01:14:49,734 to think that a reporter would keep it 1394 01:14:49,734 --> 01:14:53,066 off the record that the DA's office doubts its own case, Glenn? 1395 01:14:53,066 --> 01:14:55,333 And you did it anonymously? 1396 01:14:55,333 --> 01:14:57,133 Half the people will think I did it! 1397 01:14:57,133 --> 01:14:59,400 This thing's gonna follow my career forever. 1398 01:14:59,400 --> 01:15:02,800 How could you do it, Glenn? Why? 1399 01:15:02,800 --> 01:15:06,100 Because I think they're innocent. 1400 01:15:06,100 --> 01:15:08,266 Don't you? 1401 01:15:08,266 --> 01:15:10,834 Come on, Christine. Didn't it get to you? 1402 01:15:10,834 --> 01:15:13,433 What about what's right? Wait a minute! Wait a minute! 1403 01:15:13,433 --> 01:15:16,500 Where does this sanctimonious tone come from, my friend? 1404 01:15:16,500 --> 01:15:19,967 You don't know they're innocent. You are a public prosecutor. 1405 01:15:19,967 --> 01:15:21,800 Your job is to see that justice gets served. 1406 01:15:21,800 --> 01:15:23,734 For you to go behind everybody's back like this 1407 01:15:23,734 --> 01:15:26,033 is unethical and cowardly, period! 1408 01:15:29,734 --> 01:15:34,767 If it's any satisfaction to you, I think you have sabotaged this case beyond repair. 1409 01:15:34,767 --> 01:15:37,800 Well, if it's any satisfaction to you, 1410 01:15:37,800 --> 01:15:41,600 I've sabotaged my career beyond repair in order to do it. 1411 01:15:44,533 --> 01:15:48,734 You'll have my resignation, on your desk, in the morning. 1412 01:15:55,734 --> 01:15:56,900 (door slams) 1413 01:15:56,900 --> 01:16:00,734 ♪ ♪ (clamoring) 1414 01:16:02,867 --> 01:16:05,834 Reporters: Mr. Reiner! Mr. Reiner! 1415 01:16:10,066 --> 01:16:14,633 I have been in conference with my staff. 1416 01:16:14,633 --> 01:16:16,834 We've all come to the same conclusion. 1417 01:16:16,834 --> 01:16:19,967 The evidence against five in this case 1418 01:16:19,967 --> 01:16:23,934 is so incredibly weak, it does not go beyond mere accusation. 1419 01:16:23,934 --> 01:16:25,867 (reporters clamoring) 1420 01:16:25,867 --> 01:16:28,800 Reiner on TV: We are dropping charges 1421 01:16:28,800 --> 01:16:32,133 against five of the defendants in the McMartin case. 1422 01:16:32,133 --> 01:16:34,066 Yes! Reiner: On the other hand, 1423 01:16:34,066 --> 01:16:36,000 we have clear and convincing evidence 1424 01:16:36,000 --> 01:16:38,400 that Ray Buckey molested children. 1425 01:16:38,400 --> 01:16:41,200 (reporters clamoring) 1426 01:16:41,200 --> 01:16:43,834 Reiner: There is equally clear 1427 01:16:43,834 --> 01:16:45,934 and equally convincing evidence 1428 01:16:45,934 --> 01:16:49,667 that his mother, Peggy Buckey, was also involved. 1429 01:16:51,567 --> 01:16:54,200 Thank you. (reporters clamoring) 1430 01:16:54,200 --> 01:16:56,066 Well, he let five go. That's somethin'. 1431 01:16:56,066 --> 01:16:57,767 You gotta give him credit for that. Yeah, for what? 1432 01:16:57,767 --> 01:16:59,600 Tryin' to have it both ways? He knows he can't get 1433 01:16:59,600 --> 01:17:01,467 a conviction with all seven, but he can't let 'em go. 1434 01:17:01,467 --> 01:17:03,266 He knows that Ray and Peggy have been kept in jail 1435 01:17:03,266 --> 01:17:05,066 all this time without bail on his watch! 1436 01:17:05,066 --> 01:17:07,367 He's just looking for scapegoats to cover his ass. 1437 01:17:07,367 --> 01:17:08,934 Reporter: There is furious reaction tonight 1438 01:17:08,934 --> 01:17:11,066 against the prosecution's latest move 1439 01:17:11,066 --> 01:17:14,367 in the case that helped center national attention on the problems... 1440 01:17:14,367 --> 01:17:16,734 I'd like Ira Reiner to go to the 300 victims 1441 01:17:16,734 --> 01:17:20,266 and explain why these people who have hurt them are allowed to go free. 1442 01:17:20,266 --> 01:17:23,533 Look... Look, look. I would never get involved in any vigilante activity, 1443 01:17:23,533 --> 01:17:26,166 but I wouldn't want to be one of these defendants walking the streets... 1444 01:17:26,166 --> 01:17:29,633 Where's Wayne Satz these days, now that some of the shoes are on the other foot? 1445 01:17:29,633 --> 01:17:31,734 Man: ...in our preschools are molesting our kids! 1446 01:17:31,734 --> 01:17:33,133 That's a good question, you know. 1447 01:17:36,233 --> 01:17:38,333 (knock on door) Woman: Come in. 1448 01:17:46,200 --> 01:17:49,967 (phone rings) 1449 01:17:49,967 --> 01:17:52,133 Thank you. Hello? 1450 01:17:52,133 --> 01:17:54,100 Man on phone: Hello. This is long distance for Wayne Satz. 1451 01:17:54,100 --> 01:17:56,800 Just a minute, please. Honey! 1452 01:17:56,800 --> 01:18:00,166 Yeah? It's for you, long distance. 1453 01:18:00,166 --> 01:18:02,500 Man on phone: Who is this? Is this Kee? Who is it? 1454 01:18:02,500 --> 01:18:04,066 Who's calling? 1455 01:18:04,066 --> 01:18:06,367 Man on phone: It's Chris Woodyard of The Examiner. 1456 01:18:06,367 --> 01:18:09,066 Is Wayne there? It's Chris Woodyard of The Examiner. 1457 01:18:09,066 --> 01:18:11,467 Chris: Hello? What'd you answer the phone for? 1458 01:18:11,467 --> 01:18:14,000 Chris: Anybody there? Hello? 1459 01:18:14,000 --> 01:18:17,867 Chris. Chris: Wayne? 1460 01:18:17,867 --> 01:18:18,934 Hi. 1461 01:18:18,934 --> 01:18:21,000 (dings) 1462 01:18:25,367 --> 01:18:28,266 Hi. What's up? 1463 01:18:28,266 --> 01:18:31,633 Man: Been getting a little help from "Deep Throat," Wayne? 1464 01:18:31,633 --> 01:18:33,834 What are you talkin' about? The "puppet lady." 1465 01:18:33,834 --> 01:18:35,633 How long have you been living with her? 1466 01:18:35,633 --> 01:18:38,000 What? Conflict of interest. 1467 01:18:38,000 --> 01:18:40,667 Fucking the source of a story. How long have you been doing it? 1468 01:18:40,667 --> 01:18:43,433 No wonder you've gotten so many exclusives, eh? 1469 01:18:43,433 --> 01:18:45,567 Now, I'm proud of my work on this case. 1470 01:18:45,567 --> 01:18:48,066 I won a Peabody and two Golden Mic awards for it. 1471 01:18:48,066 --> 01:18:50,934 So just maybe jealousy might be a motive here. Huh? 1472 01:18:50,934 --> 01:18:52,500 Please! You're a piece of shit, Wayne. 1473 01:18:52,500 --> 01:18:55,600 You're the reason people hate the press. 1474 01:18:55,600 --> 01:18:57,600 We are gonna nail your ass so bad-- 1475 01:18:57,600 --> 01:19:01,467 You try it. But you be careful what you put on the air. 1476 01:19:01,467 --> 01:19:04,934 I'm not only a reporter, I'm a lawyer, too, and there are laws about these things. 1477 01:19:04,934 --> 01:19:08,333 You can't just say anything you like on TV, you know? 1478 01:19:10,333 --> 01:19:13,567 (reporters clamoring) 1479 01:19:13,567 --> 01:19:16,266 Danny: I don't think you have anything to worry about. I think it'll be fair. 1480 01:19:16,266 --> 01:19:18,367 Just tell it like it is. Tell the truth. 1481 01:19:18,367 --> 01:19:19,834 Everything will be okay. 1482 01:19:19,834 --> 01:19:21,734 I don't know why I agreed to do this. 1483 01:19:21,734 --> 01:19:23,767 You look nice. 1484 01:19:24,900 --> 01:19:26,333 She looks pretty, doesn't she? 1485 01:19:26,333 --> 01:19:28,500 You look really nice. Mmm-hmmm. 1486 01:19:28,500 --> 01:19:31,166 Oh, yeah. Come on. You look good. 1487 01:19:33,467 --> 01:19:35,500 Announcer: This is "60 Minutes." 1488 01:19:35,500 --> 01:19:39,100 Well, during the time that I was in jail, 1489 01:19:39,100 --> 01:19:43,367 the custody of my children was taken away from me. 1490 01:19:43,367 --> 01:19:48,266 They were taken from the school that we've placed them in. 1491 01:19:48,266 --> 01:19:50,667 They were arrested. 1492 01:19:52,166 --> 01:19:54,800 (sighs) I don't know for what. 1493 01:19:54,800 --> 01:19:57,533 At that time, my son was eight. 1494 01:19:57,533 --> 01:20:00,667 Along with everyone else, 1495 01:20:00,667 --> 01:20:03,533 I lost every material possession I ever had. 1496 01:20:03,533 --> 01:20:05,867 I lost all my teaching credentials, 1497 01:20:05,867 --> 01:20:08,000 which I had gone six years of college to get. 1498 01:20:08,000 --> 01:20:11,767 In this country, if you're accused, you're guilty. 1499 01:20:11,767 --> 01:20:13,800 God help you if you've got to prove you're innocent. 1500 01:20:13,800 --> 01:20:17,433 Fuckin' A, right. That's the way we've been treated from the first day. 1501 01:20:17,433 --> 01:20:20,400 Know who should be made to watch this? Ira Reiner. 1502 01:20:20,400 --> 01:20:22,667 I could talk all day long... Ira Reiner should be made to watch this. 1503 01:20:22,667 --> 01:20:24,266 You gonna get him on camera? 1504 01:20:24,266 --> 01:20:28,433 Virginia McMartin, Betty Raidor, Mary Ann Jackson, 1505 01:20:28,433 --> 01:20:30,934 Peggy Ann Buckey, their homes, 1506 01:20:30,934 --> 01:20:32,867 their money, their honor. 1507 01:20:32,867 --> 01:20:35,200 Everything gone. Deserved? 1508 01:20:35,200 --> 01:20:37,600 No, of course not. 1509 01:20:37,600 --> 01:20:39,567 So who do these people go to, to get their money back 1510 01:20:39,567 --> 01:20:41,934 and their life back? The county? 1511 01:20:41,934 --> 01:20:47,033 Your predecessor? Children's Institute International? 1512 01:20:47,033 --> 01:20:50,600 That's not the sort of question I should be getting into. 1513 01:20:50,600 --> 01:20:52,834 Do you think you can get him to grant bail for Peggy? 1514 01:20:52,834 --> 01:20:55,033 God, I hope so. She's 62 years old. 1515 01:20:55,033 --> 01:20:56,834 They've kept her for 18 months without a trial. 1516 01:20:56,834 --> 01:20:59,667 It's unbelievable. The trial itself will take another year and a half. 1517 01:20:59,667 --> 01:21:02,734 They can't let this happen. It'll be a scandal. 1518 01:21:05,600 --> 01:21:06,667 That's all? 1519 01:21:06,667 --> 01:21:07,867 This is it. 1520 01:21:07,867 --> 01:21:09,867 Leave it here. 1521 01:21:09,867 --> 01:21:11,567 I'll see what I can do. 1522 01:21:18,600 --> 01:21:21,333 ♪ ♪ 1523 01:21:21,333 --> 01:21:23,266 Peggy Ann: You always used to love to come here. 1524 01:21:23,266 --> 01:21:26,166 No. Peggy, I wanna go home. 1525 01:21:26,166 --> 01:21:29,333 No. Mom, not back to that little apartment. 1526 01:21:29,333 --> 01:21:31,600 Not yet. Please. 1527 01:21:31,600 --> 01:21:35,300 You haven't been outdoors once since you got out. 1528 01:21:35,300 --> 01:21:37,300 Please. 1529 01:21:37,300 --> 01:21:40,433 I promise, there's nothing here to hurt you. 1530 01:21:40,433 --> 01:21:42,767 Okay? Come on. 1531 01:21:44,834 --> 01:21:47,333 We'll just take a little walk. Okay? 1532 01:21:50,200 --> 01:21:54,467 There's nothin' to be afraid of. It's just us. I know. 1533 01:21:54,467 --> 01:21:59,166 Peggy: I know. I know. 1534 01:22:00,800 --> 01:22:02,433 No, there's nothing to be afraid of. 1535 01:22:02,433 --> 01:22:06,500 But I... I am afraid. I'm so afraid. 1536 01:22:08,233 --> 01:22:10,133 I'm afraid they'll come in the middle of the night 1537 01:22:10,133 --> 01:22:13,433 again and arrest me. 1538 01:22:13,433 --> 01:22:17,033 I mean, I know I've done nothing wrong. 1539 01:22:17,033 --> 01:22:19,934 Why is this happening then? 1540 01:22:19,934 --> 01:22:23,967 It feels like God is punishing me for something. 1541 01:22:23,967 --> 01:22:26,500 All I've ever known is teaching children, 1542 01:22:26,500 --> 01:22:29,233 and I can never do that again. 1543 01:22:29,233 --> 01:22:32,934 Everything is... lost. 1544 01:22:32,934 --> 01:22:37,500 (chuckles sadly) And you... your youth. 1545 01:22:37,500 --> 01:22:41,400 You never smile anymore like you used to. 1546 01:22:41,400 --> 01:22:43,900 And Ray. Ray... 1547 01:22:43,900 --> 01:22:47,867 Ray's still in there. I mean, how can he endure it? 1548 01:22:47,867 --> 01:22:50,133 He will endure it. 1549 01:22:50,133 --> 01:22:52,000 You did. 1550 01:22:53,633 --> 01:22:56,433 Yeah. We all will. 1551 01:23:00,300 --> 01:23:04,100 (children laughing) 1552 01:23:04,100 --> 01:23:05,800 Come on. 1553 01:23:22,900 --> 01:23:25,133 Danny! Danny! 1554 01:23:25,133 --> 01:23:26,800 Danny! Wait! Look! Look! Look! I got somethin'! 1555 01:23:26,800 --> 01:23:28,066 Look! Look! You gotta see this! 1556 01:23:28,066 --> 01:23:29,367 Uh, I think it was September 21st... 1557 01:23:29,367 --> 01:23:31,367 Danny, look at this! Superior Court 1962. 1558 01:23:31,367 --> 01:23:32,567 I mean, right now. Look. Look. 1559 01:23:32,567 --> 01:23:34,700 It came my way last night. 1560 01:23:36,934 --> 01:23:39,233 Where'd you get this? Stevens? 1561 01:23:44,900 --> 01:23:45,934 Holy shit. 1562 01:23:45,934 --> 01:23:48,834 Mr. Davis, can I help you? No. 1563 01:23:48,834 --> 01:23:50,467 Sir. 1564 01:23:50,467 --> 01:23:52,166 The Judy Johnson discovery. 1565 01:23:52,166 --> 01:23:53,900 Would we have a trial if I had this to present in court?! 1566 01:23:53,900 --> 01:23:55,467 Don't walk in here without an appointment. 1567 01:23:55,467 --> 01:23:57,900 I don't fucking think so! And you don't swear at me. 1568 01:23:57,900 --> 01:23:58,934 Judy Johnson. Who the hell... 1569 01:23:58,934 --> 01:24:00,433 You knew she was nuts! 1570 01:24:00,433 --> 01:24:01,767 She's the main accuser in your case, 1571 01:24:01,767 --> 01:24:03,633 and you knew she was a fucking banana! 1572 01:24:03,633 --> 01:24:07,633 Do not shout at me. Who the hell do you think you are?! 1573 01:24:07,633 --> 01:24:09,600 Why didn't I get this before?! 1574 01:24:09,600 --> 01:24:11,600 Who do you think you're talking to here, Mr. Davis? 1575 01:24:11,600 --> 01:24:13,900 Are you expecting me to be personally responsible 1576 01:24:13,900 --> 01:24:16,066 for every piece of evidence that comes down the pike? Yes, I am! 1577 01:24:16,066 --> 01:24:18,400 It was not my job to get it to you. It is your job! 1578 01:24:18,400 --> 01:24:20,900 You received a summary! You could have followed up! 1579 01:24:20,900 --> 01:24:22,834 Bullshit! Why don't you take care of your side of this?! 1580 01:24:22,834 --> 01:24:24,967 Bullshit! Your back's against the wall and you know it. 1581 01:24:24,967 --> 01:24:27,567 Why didn't you file charges against Judy Johnson's husband? 1582 01:24:27,567 --> 01:24:29,467 She accused him of molesting Malcolm. 1583 01:24:29,467 --> 01:24:31,433 The same woman who accused my clients! 1584 01:24:31,433 --> 01:24:33,367 You don't see a problem that I didn't get to see this? 1585 01:24:33,367 --> 01:24:34,500 Yes, I see a problem. Thank you. 1586 01:24:34,500 --> 01:24:36,867 It's not my problem. It is your problem. 1587 01:24:36,867 --> 01:24:38,967 I don't know why you didn't get it. 1588 01:24:38,967 --> 01:24:41,734 As for Judy Johnson, she only accused her husband 1589 01:24:41,734 --> 01:24:43,600 after she became unstable. 1590 01:24:43,600 --> 01:24:45,266 She became unstable after what happened to her son. 1591 01:24:45,266 --> 01:24:48,667 After damages inflicted on him by your client! Wow. 1592 01:24:48,667 --> 01:24:50,667 Who are you? Where did you come from? 1593 01:24:50,667 --> 01:24:52,734 Did you read this thing?! 1594 01:24:52,734 --> 01:24:54,867 Did you?! 1595 01:24:54,867 --> 01:24:56,934 You didn't press charges against Judy Johnson's husband 1596 01:24:56,934 --> 01:24:58,633 because you didn't want it to mess up your nice, 1597 01:24:58,633 --> 01:25:01,266 neat witch hunt against my clients! 1598 01:25:02,967 --> 01:25:05,233 Fine! 1599 01:25:05,233 --> 01:25:07,734 You know what I'm gonna do about this? 1600 01:25:07,734 --> 01:25:09,033 I'm going to the judge. 1601 01:25:09,033 --> 01:25:10,700 I'm gonna ask him to recuse you 1602 01:25:10,700 --> 01:25:12,367 and the entire district attorney's office 1603 01:25:12,367 --> 01:25:14,834 for prosecutorial misconduct! 1604 01:25:19,600 --> 01:25:22,200 Judge: I have seldom seen anything as explosive 1605 01:25:22,200 --> 01:25:24,767 as this handwritten letter from Judy Johnson 1606 01:25:24,767 --> 01:25:28,633 that was allegedly not passed onto the defense. 1607 01:25:28,633 --> 01:25:31,433 The prosecution maintains that they only sent over 1608 01:25:31,433 --> 01:25:33,433 a typed-written summary of this evidence earlier 1609 01:25:33,433 --> 01:25:34,834 because they were overwhelmed 1610 01:25:34,834 --> 01:25:37,967 by the sheer volume of the material. 1611 01:25:37,967 --> 01:25:40,467 I accept this explanation, 1612 01:25:40,467 --> 01:25:43,100 and am therefore going to dismiss the charges 1613 01:25:43,100 --> 01:25:44,734 of prosecutorial misconduct. 1614 01:25:44,734 --> 01:25:48,734 However, the court does grant the defense's request 1615 01:25:48,734 --> 01:25:52,200 to examine Mrs. Johnson. 1616 01:25:52,200 --> 01:25:54,233 Clearly, she is a crucial witness. 1617 01:25:54,233 --> 01:25:58,066 (police radio chatter) 1618 01:26:00,834 --> 01:26:03,367 Roger. We're at location. Over. 1619 01:26:05,166 --> 01:26:07,633 Rubin: Everyday she heard herself being ridiculed 1620 01:26:07,633 --> 01:26:10,200 and ripped apart by Mr. Davis on the news. 1621 01:26:10,200 --> 01:26:11,600 I would hope the defense attorneys 1622 01:26:11,600 --> 01:26:13,600 are now beginning to regret their comments. 1623 01:26:13,600 --> 01:26:16,166 Danny: There's nothing beneath the prosecution, is there? 1624 01:26:16,166 --> 01:26:17,600 The body's not even cold yet. 1625 01:26:17,600 --> 01:26:18,567 Rubin: How do you think she felt 1626 01:26:18,567 --> 01:26:20,633 reading everyday in the newspapers 1627 01:26:20,633 --> 01:26:23,266 that this case was spawned by a madwoman? 1628 01:26:23,266 --> 01:26:25,567 (all clamoring) It is... 1629 01:26:25,567 --> 01:26:28,934 It is... it is commendable of the prosecution 1630 01:26:28,934 --> 01:26:31,533 to have such compassion for Mrs. Johnson now that she's dead. 1631 01:26:31,533 --> 01:26:33,633 Reporter: But did they know it? But they knew from the beginning 1632 01:26:33,633 --> 01:26:35,934 that she was mentally ill. But they did not suggest she be helped, 1633 01:26:35,934 --> 01:26:38,800 because they were afraid the defense might find out about it. 1634 01:26:38,800 --> 01:26:41,467 (reporters clamoring) Thanks... Thanks to the defense, 1635 01:26:41,467 --> 01:26:43,033 this woman has suffered more in a few weeks 1636 01:26:43,033 --> 01:26:45,000 than most of us suffer in a lifetime. 1637 01:26:45,000 --> 01:26:47,533 Danny: Not as much as... And... and... and I tell you, 1638 01:26:47,533 --> 01:26:50,066 there but for the grace of God, go you and I. 1639 01:26:50,066 --> 01:26:52,600 (reporters clamoring) Reporter: Police investigators say 1640 01:26:52,600 --> 01:26:54,567 they believe Judy Johnson's death 1641 01:26:54,567 --> 01:26:57,700 was a result of an accidental alcohol overdose. 1642 01:26:57,700 --> 01:27:00,967 Mrs. Johnson was a key figure in the McMartin case, 1643 01:27:00,967 --> 01:27:03,834 and it was her allegations that lead to the first charges 1644 01:27:03,834 --> 01:27:06,533 being filed against Raymond Buckey... 1645 01:27:06,533 --> 01:27:07,734 Ta-da! 1646 01:27:07,734 --> 01:27:10,000 I know you like to think of yourself as an athlete, 1647 01:27:10,000 --> 01:27:12,767 so let's see how many miles you can ride on this thing everyday. 1648 01:27:12,767 --> 01:27:15,166 Judy Johnson's dead. 1649 01:27:15,166 --> 01:27:17,266 I know, Ray. And it's too bad. 1650 01:27:17,266 --> 01:27:19,000 But we don't need her. Thanks, boys. 1651 01:27:19,000 --> 01:27:21,000 We don't need her? She was the whole case. 1652 01:27:21,000 --> 01:27:22,333 Thanks. Now she's dead. 1653 01:27:22,333 --> 01:27:24,800 I can't take this anymore, Danny. You're gonna have to. 1654 01:27:24,800 --> 01:27:28,033 Every night, I lie in my bed in that tiny little cell 1655 01:27:28,033 --> 01:27:30,000 and my mind whirls around and around. 1656 01:27:30,000 --> 01:27:32,700 Why shouldn't I just put a plastic bag over my head, 1657 01:27:32,700 --> 01:27:34,600 or slit my wrists, or have someone else 1658 01:27:34,600 --> 01:27:37,467 jam a shank through my ear? What am I hangin' around for? 1659 01:27:37,467 --> 01:27:40,433 To listen to these kids rip the skin off of me? 1660 01:27:40,433 --> 01:27:43,333 Watch my family get humiliated? Watch them lose everything they had? 1661 01:27:43,333 --> 01:27:45,800 They hate me, Danny! I'm like Freddy Krueger to these people! 1662 01:27:45,800 --> 01:27:47,367 (guard tapping on window) I'm Charles Manson! 1663 01:27:47,367 --> 01:27:49,533 I mean, they use my name to scare their little kids 1664 01:27:49,533 --> 01:27:52,066 before they go to sleep! 1665 01:27:53,500 --> 01:27:54,567 You're right. 1666 01:27:54,567 --> 01:27:57,066 I'll never lie to you, Ray. 1667 01:27:57,066 --> 01:27:59,467 They do hate you. 1668 01:27:59,467 --> 01:28:01,100 But we're gonna make them hate someone else. 1669 01:28:01,100 --> 01:28:03,600 We're gonna make the jury hate someone else. 1670 01:28:03,600 --> 01:28:06,000 What are you talkin' about? Lael Rubin. 1671 01:28:06,000 --> 01:28:07,767 What do you think your case is gonna be, Ray? 1672 01:28:07,767 --> 01:28:09,900 I'll tell ya. She's gonna make a big deal 1673 01:28:09,900 --> 01:28:11,867 out of the fact that you had a picture from a skin magazine 1674 01:28:11,867 --> 01:28:14,200 as proof that you molest children. 1675 01:28:14,200 --> 01:28:15,600 She's gonna show that you're a bad guy 1676 01:28:15,600 --> 01:28:17,533 because sometimes you forget to wear your BVDs. 1677 01:28:17,533 --> 01:28:19,200 She's gonna make the fact that you aren't chasing 1678 01:28:19,200 --> 01:28:22,166 everything in a skirt prove that you are chasin' five-year-olds. 1679 01:28:22,166 --> 01:28:24,300 What do you think is gonna happen when she shows up in court 1680 01:28:24,300 --> 01:28:27,066 with this flimsy rag of a case? 1681 01:28:27,066 --> 01:28:29,600 Everyone is gonna see the emperor's new clothes. 1682 01:28:29,600 --> 01:28:33,000 They're gonna see through the innuendos and the bullshit and the stories. 1683 01:28:33,000 --> 01:28:34,834 And they're gonna see that if somebody is on trial 1684 01:28:34,834 --> 01:28:37,066 for screwing people, 1685 01:28:37,066 --> 01:28:39,467 maybe it shouldn't be Ray Buckey. 1686 01:28:41,633 --> 01:28:43,100 Okay? 1687 01:28:43,100 --> 01:28:44,667 Now, son, I want you to get your ass on this bike 1688 01:28:44,667 --> 01:28:46,667 and see how many miles you can clock. 1689 01:28:46,667 --> 01:28:49,934 Or you can let Lael Rubin and Kee McFarlane 1690 01:28:49,934 --> 01:28:53,667 dance all over your grave! 1691 01:28:53,667 --> 01:28:56,033 Ta-da! 1692 01:28:58,100 --> 01:28:59,467 Come on, son. 1693 01:28:59,467 --> 01:29:01,300 ♪ ♪ 1694 01:29:02,767 --> 01:29:05,367 Reporter: Today, nearly four years after the first arrest 1695 01:29:05,367 --> 01:29:07,767 in the McMartin Preschool molestation case, 1696 01:29:07,767 --> 01:29:12,233 defendants Raymond Buckey, and his mother, Peggy McMartin Buckey, 1697 01:29:12,233 --> 01:29:16,533 will finally go on trial before a jury of eight men and four women. 1698 01:29:18,300 --> 01:29:21,133 Rubin: Mr. Freeman, did Raymond Buckey confess to you 1699 01:29:21,133 --> 01:29:23,667 that he had sex with children? 1700 01:29:23,667 --> 01:29:26,133 He said he sexually assaulted children. 1701 01:29:26,133 --> 01:29:30,166 Will you tell us the words he used? You want me to? 1702 01:29:30,166 --> 01:29:32,066 Yes. 1703 01:29:32,066 --> 01:29:35,233 Well, he said he, uh, he fucked a two-year-old boy in the butt. 1704 01:29:35,233 --> 01:29:37,000 (courtroom murmuring) 1705 01:29:40,166 --> 01:29:43,400 Did the defendant say what he used when he 1706 01:29:43,400 --> 01:29:46,500 "fucked this two-year-old boy," to use his words? 1707 01:29:46,500 --> 01:29:48,767 Freeman: He said he usually used baby oil and K-Y Jelly. 1708 01:29:48,767 --> 01:29:52,500 Rubin: Mm-hm. Did the defendant say that anything happened 1709 01:29:52,500 --> 01:29:55,700 when he used the K-Y or the baby oil? 1710 01:29:55,700 --> 01:29:59,000 Freeman: Yeah. He said if he didn't use baby oil that, uh, 1711 01:29:59,000 --> 01:30:00,467 the boy bled. 1712 01:30:00,467 --> 01:30:03,533 Ah, Mr. Davis. It seems we have a bit of a problem. 1713 01:30:03,533 --> 01:30:05,333 What is that, Your Honor? 1714 01:30:05,333 --> 01:30:09,667 I wanted us to meet because I think Mr. Freeman should have an attorney. 1715 01:30:09,667 --> 01:30:13,400 He told me that he committed perjury in other cases. 1716 01:30:13,400 --> 01:30:15,500 When did he tell you this? Three weeks ago. 1717 01:30:15,500 --> 01:30:17,967 You're telling me that you knew before Freeman got on the stand 1718 01:30:17,967 --> 01:30:19,333 that he'd perjured himself, 1719 01:30:19,333 --> 01:30:21,467 and you let him testify without informing the court?! 1720 01:30:21,467 --> 01:30:24,000 To be honest with you, I hadn't considered the fact 1721 01:30:24,000 --> 01:30:26,333 that he might need an attorney until now. (scoffs) 1722 01:30:26,333 --> 01:30:29,266 You know we face giving him immunity or calling a mistrial? 1723 01:30:29,266 --> 01:30:31,233 Both: Call a mistrial! You can't let this happen. 1724 01:30:31,233 --> 01:30:33,333 Do you know how much the state has spent on this case so far? 1725 01:30:33,333 --> 01:30:34,633 I don't give a damn how much it cost! 1726 01:30:34,633 --> 01:30:36,900 It's a mistrial! This is outrageous! 1727 01:30:36,900 --> 01:30:40,767 You may not give a damn, but I do and the people of Los Angeles do. 1728 01:30:40,767 --> 01:30:43,300 Your Honor... It is my view that Mr. Freeman must testify. 1729 01:30:43,300 --> 01:30:45,467 And the only way to do that is through immunity. 1730 01:30:45,467 --> 01:30:47,500 Miss Rubin planned this all along. 1731 01:30:47,500 --> 01:30:50,433 Judge: Mr. Davis, my ruling will stand. 1732 01:30:52,834 --> 01:30:55,000 So, when Freeman came to you with his problem, what'd you say? 1733 01:30:55,000 --> 01:30:58,000 "Don't worry, George, get your garbage in. I'll protect ya"? 1734 01:30:58,000 --> 01:30:59,834 I said nothing of the kind. 1735 01:30:59,834 --> 01:31:02,433 And let's not go public with this, please. 1736 01:31:04,200 --> 01:31:07,100 The district attorney's office and the judge are sayin' to George Freeman, 1737 01:31:07,100 --> 01:31:09,667 "Go ahead, lie. Perjure yourself. You won't be prosecuted." 1738 01:31:09,667 --> 01:31:12,867 But there's one thing they cannot grant him immunity on, and that is murder! 1739 01:31:12,867 --> 01:31:14,567 Reporter: Murder? George Freeman committed a murder? 1740 01:31:14,567 --> 01:31:15,633 Why wasn't he indicted? Why not? 1741 01:31:15,633 --> 01:31:17,133 Why do you think he wasn't indicted? 1742 01:31:17,133 --> 01:31:19,567 Are you suggesting a deal was made not to indict Freeman 1743 01:31:19,567 --> 01:31:21,467 if he agreed to testify against Ray Buckey? 1744 01:31:21,467 --> 01:31:23,600 I'm not suggesting anything. You draw your own conclusions. 1745 01:31:23,600 --> 01:31:25,700 But George Freeman is the prosecution's super-duper, 1746 01:31:25,700 --> 01:31:28,433 whopper jumbo cheeseburger deluxe with extra special sauce! 1747 01:31:28,433 --> 01:31:30,533 Now, either you swallow it, or you have a delicate stomach 1748 01:31:30,533 --> 01:31:32,266 and it smells bad, you don't go near it. 1749 01:31:32,266 --> 01:31:34,166 It doesn't make any difference because before this is over, 1750 01:31:34,166 --> 01:31:36,300 I am gonna convict George Freeman of that murder! 1751 01:31:36,300 --> 01:31:39,967 Thank you. No more questions. (all clamoring) 1752 01:31:39,967 --> 01:31:42,867 You don't have anything on this murder, do you? Not a thing, are you kiddin'? 1753 01:31:42,867 --> 01:31:46,700 The star witness in the McMartin molestation trial, George Freeman, 1754 01:31:46,700 --> 01:31:49,934 was arrested this morning when he failed to show up in court. 1755 01:31:49,934 --> 01:31:52,200 Sheriff's deputies tracked Freeman down here, 1756 01:31:52,200 --> 01:31:54,834 to his sister's house in the San Fernando Valley, 1757 01:31:54,834 --> 01:31:56,367 where he had gone into hiding. 1758 01:31:56,367 --> 01:31:59,700 They found him squatting behind a number of boxes in the garage. 1759 01:31:59,700 --> 01:32:02,000 He surrendered to the deputies without incident, 1760 01:32:02,000 --> 01:32:05,000 and is expected to appear in court tomorrow morning. 1761 01:32:05,000 --> 01:32:07,133 Danny: You're upset with me, aren't you? 1762 01:32:07,133 --> 01:32:09,900 You know I am. Did it disturb you, what I said 1763 01:32:09,900 --> 01:32:13,834 about getting you convicted of murder? I don't care. 1764 01:32:13,834 --> 01:32:16,834 Mr. Freeman, have you ever been convicted 1765 01:32:16,834 --> 01:32:20,467 of what might be called "willful cruelty to children"? 1766 01:32:20,467 --> 01:32:23,700 Yeah. Isn't it true that you once 1767 01:32:23,700 --> 01:32:25,600 tied up your mother and sister, 1768 01:32:25,600 --> 01:32:27,967 burglarized other parts of the house, 1769 01:32:27,967 --> 01:32:29,667 and left them tied up? 1770 01:32:29,667 --> 01:32:32,200 Only God would know, right? 1771 01:32:32,200 --> 01:32:34,600 Right. 1772 01:32:34,600 --> 01:32:36,867 Mr. Freeman, 1773 01:32:36,867 --> 01:32:41,000 do you have any credibility, in your own opinion? 1774 01:32:41,867 --> 01:32:43,467 No. 1775 01:32:45,133 --> 01:32:47,667 Well, that's all. Thank you. 1776 01:32:50,900 --> 01:32:53,266 Danny: Did you appear on a program in which Wayne Satz announced 1777 01:32:53,266 --> 01:32:55,934 that 60 children were making allegations against Raymond Buckey 1778 01:32:55,934 --> 01:32:58,500 before the case had even gone before the grand jury? 1779 01:32:58,500 --> 01:33:00,367 I believe I did. 1780 01:33:00,367 --> 01:33:01,934 Danny: Didn't it concern you that you might be 1781 01:33:01,934 --> 01:33:04,900 compromising the investigation of the case? 1782 01:33:04,900 --> 01:33:07,100 Yes, it did, and I was very upset by it. 1783 01:33:07,100 --> 01:33:09,233 And I told Mr. Satz so. 1784 01:33:09,233 --> 01:33:11,567 You were so upset about it that you moved in with him. Is that right? 1785 01:33:11,567 --> 01:33:14,700 Objection, Your Honor. Miss McFarlane's intimate relations 1786 01:33:14,700 --> 01:33:17,567 are not an issue in this trial. Sustained. 1787 01:33:20,233 --> 01:33:23,400 Do you think you're qualified to judge whether a child has been molested or not? 1788 01:33:23,400 --> 01:33:26,700 Objection! Miss McFarlane is not on trial here, 1789 01:33:26,700 --> 01:33:29,000 even if Mr. Davis would like to put her on trial. 1790 01:33:29,000 --> 01:33:30,667 Danny: What is Miss Rubin afraid of? 1791 01:33:30,667 --> 01:33:33,033 Miss McFarlane was touted by the DA's office 1792 01:33:33,033 --> 01:33:35,200 as their expert witness, going around the country giving speeches. 1793 01:33:35,200 --> 01:33:39,000 What's happened all of a sudden? Are you afraid she won't pass muster? 1794 01:33:39,000 --> 01:33:41,567 Objection overruled. 1795 01:33:42,867 --> 01:33:44,467 Thank you, Your Honor. Answer the question, please. 1796 01:33:44,467 --> 01:33:47,333 Do you think you're qualified? 1797 01:33:47,333 --> 01:33:50,633 Since I've spent the majority of my professional life 1798 01:33:50,633 --> 01:33:52,767 devoted to the subject, I think so, yes. 1799 01:33:52,767 --> 01:33:56,100 What is your educational background as far as diagnosing children? 1800 01:33:56,100 --> 01:33:59,166 I have a Master's Degree in social work from the University of Maryland. 1801 01:33:59,166 --> 01:34:02,767 Did the curriculum include any study in child abuse? Yes. 1802 01:34:02,767 --> 01:34:04,834 Oh. What portion dealt with that? 1803 01:34:04,834 --> 01:34:08,834 Well, it's a liberal arts program with psychology, 1804 01:34:08,834 --> 01:34:12,033 sociology, and those basic courses cover children. 1805 01:34:12,033 --> 01:34:16,100 Well, have you ever treated children in the psychiatric sense? 1806 01:34:16,100 --> 01:34:18,900 I don't understand what you mean. 1807 01:34:18,900 --> 01:34:21,433 You know what psychiatric is. Have you ever heard of that? Psychiatric? 1808 01:34:21,433 --> 01:34:24,567 Objection. Would you instruct Mr. Davis 1809 01:34:24,567 --> 01:34:25,934 to stop harassing the witness? 1810 01:34:25,934 --> 01:34:28,166 I think if this witness doesn't know what psychiatric means, 1811 01:34:28,166 --> 01:34:30,066 and she has presented herself as an expert, 1812 01:34:30,066 --> 01:34:32,033 then the court ought to know about that. Don't you think? 1813 01:34:32,033 --> 01:34:34,500 Objection overruled. Thank you, Your Honor. 1814 01:34:34,500 --> 01:34:37,367 Answer the question, please. Have you ever treated children 1815 01:34:37,367 --> 01:34:40,500 in a psychiatric sense? No. 1816 01:34:40,500 --> 01:34:42,767 How have you treated them? 1817 01:34:42,767 --> 01:34:44,800 I've treated them as a social worker. 1818 01:34:44,800 --> 01:34:47,867 You worked in Maryland and New Jersey and California. Is that right? 1819 01:34:47,867 --> 01:34:51,100 Yes. Were you licensed in New Jersey or Maryland? 1820 01:34:51,100 --> 01:34:52,233 Not licensed. 1821 01:34:52,233 --> 01:34:54,166 Are you licensed in California? No. 1822 01:34:54,166 --> 01:34:56,633 You are not licensed to work as a therapist 1823 01:34:56,633 --> 01:34:59,400 or a social worker in any state, are you? 1824 01:35:00,567 --> 01:35:03,233 That's correct. Danny: Thank you. 1825 01:35:03,233 --> 01:35:06,734 Where'd you learn these techniques that you used with these children? 1826 01:35:06,734 --> 01:35:08,867 Kee: From working with families and attending virtually 1827 01:35:08,867 --> 01:35:11,533 every conference on child abuse in the country. 1828 01:35:11,533 --> 01:35:14,834 I don't know of any library that's more extensive than my own on the subject. 1829 01:35:14,834 --> 01:35:16,834 Permission to approach the witness, Your Honor. 1830 01:35:16,834 --> 01:35:18,867 And I would like to mark into evidence defense exhibits... 1831 01:35:18,867 --> 01:35:21,667 KK-LL. KK-LL. 1832 01:35:24,233 --> 01:35:25,333 Your Honor. 1833 01:35:26,767 --> 01:35:28,734 Thank you. 1834 01:35:33,000 --> 01:35:35,500 You use dolls like these? Yes. 1835 01:35:35,500 --> 01:35:39,033 Why? 1836 01:35:39,033 --> 01:35:41,233 Kee: To familiarize the children with their body parts 1837 01:35:41,233 --> 01:35:44,033 so they're able to talk about it. 1838 01:35:44,033 --> 01:35:46,834 It's very difficult for them to say the words. 1839 01:35:46,834 --> 01:35:51,734 Some of them aren't even able to articulate what's happened to them. 1840 01:35:51,734 --> 01:35:55,300 How do you know anything happened to them? I made a determination. 1841 01:35:55,300 --> 01:35:58,066 Some of them were in your office only a few minutes 1842 01:35:58,066 --> 01:36:01,133 before you undressed these dolls. How could you tell? 1843 01:36:01,133 --> 01:36:02,800 By the way they were acting. 1844 01:36:02,800 --> 01:36:04,400 By their not wanting to talk about it. 1845 01:36:04,400 --> 01:36:06,700 Did it ever occur to you that they didn't talk about it 1846 01:36:06,700 --> 01:36:09,834 because nothing happened? Something happened to them, Mr. Davis. 1847 01:36:09,834 --> 01:36:12,500 You used different dolls to represent the teachers, did you not? 1848 01:36:12,500 --> 01:36:15,500 Yes. Did you choose black dolls 1849 01:36:15,500 --> 01:36:17,867 to represent Raymond Buckey, Miss McFarlane? 1850 01:36:17,867 --> 01:36:21,900 The children pick the dolls. 1851 01:36:21,900 --> 01:36:24,433 Your Honor, I would like to present into evidence 1852 01:36:24,433 --> 01:36:28,967 sections of the video tape made by Miss McFarlane of the children. 1853 01:36:28,967 --> 01:36:31,934 Thank you. Thank you. 1854 01:36:35,100 --> 01:36:37,667 Kee on video: Under their dresses they have bloomers. 1855 01:36:37,667 --> 01:36:41,066 And the little boys have, guess what, down here? 1856 01:36:43,700 --> 01:36:45,900 A real looking penis. 1857 01:36:46,867 --> 01:36:48,600 Now, which doll do you think 1858 01:36:48,600 --> 01:36:52,166 would be good for Ray? Girl: I don't know. 1859 01:36:53,667 --> 01:36:57,734 Okay, how about... this one. 1860 01:36:59,800 --> 01:37:01,000 Okay? 1861 01:37:05,633 --> 01:37:07,734 What I like is their hair. 1862 01:37:07,734 --> 01:37:09,800 Even though it doesn't really look like real hair. Does it? 1863 01:37:09,800 --> 01:37:11,367 Girl: It's fuzzy. 1864 01:37:11,367 --> 01:37:14,100 Look! He's got a little hair 1865 01:37:14,100 --> 01:37:16,567 on his great big ugly penis! 1866 01:37:16,567 --> 01:37:20,734 Were you trying to teach these children a little bit of racism? 1867 01:37:20,734 --> 01:37:23,500 I don't associate the use of dolls of different color 1868 01:37:23,500 --> 01:37:24,567 with racism. 1869 01:37:24,567 --> 01:37:25,967 You weren't tryin' to make them think 1870 01:37:25,967 --> 01:37:28,233 that Ray Buckey was a bad man, were you? 1871 01:37:28,233 --> 01:37:32,100 I don't perceive a black doll as inherently having a negative characteristic. 1872 01:37:32,100 --> 01:37:34,567 How about when you remove the doll's pants and add, 1873 01:37:34,567 --> 01:37:38,066 "Oh, he has hair on his great, 1874 01:37:38,066 --> 01:37:40,433 "big, ugly penis?" 1875 01:37:40,433 --> 01:37:43,567 I commented about all of the dolls. 1876 01:37:43,567 --> 01:37:47,400 I was trying to let them know I was the kind of person they could say anything to. 1877 01:37:48,433 --> 01:37:50,233 And who is this? 1878 01:37:50,233 --> 01:37:54,233 Miss Peggy. Miss Peggy. 1879 01:37:54,233 --> 01:37:57,667 Now, doesn't she have funny looking boobies? 1880 01:37:59,467 --> 01:38:02,133 Look at these little hard things that stick out. 1881 01:38:02,133 --> 01:38:04,834 Have you ever seen boobies with these lines in them? 1882 01:38:08,333 --> 01:38:12,233 Some of the kids at school told me that her real name is Miss Piggy, 1883 01:38:12,233 --> 01:38:16,300 'cause she's kinda fat. Is that true? 1884 01:38:16,300 --> 01:38:19,433 Why do you call her Miss Piggy instead of Miss Peggy? 1885 01:38:19,433 --> 01:38:22,767 What do you mean when you talk about her boobs with lines? 1886 01:38:22,767 --> 01:38:25,567 I don't think you understand how frightened these children were. 1887 01:38:25,567 --> 01:38:30,934 An attempt to jog their memories, sort out which teacher was which. 1888 01:38:33,233 --> 01:38:36,100 All right, Mr. Monkey, are you gonna be stupid 1889 01:38:36,100 --> 01:38:39,667 or are you gonna be smart and help us out here? 1890 01:38:39,667 --> 01:38:43,467 'Cause some people think you're stupid, Mr. Monkey. 1891 01:38:43,467 --> 01:38:47,433 Well, I'll be smart. You will? 1892 01:38:47,433 --> 01:38:52,400 Mmm-hmm. Okay. 1893 01:38:52,400 --> 01:38:54,133 Monkey's a chicken, 1894 01:38:54,133 --> 01:38:56,700 and he can't remember any of the naked games. 1895 01:38:56,700 --> 01:39:01,633 But we think that we know a game that Mr. Monkey remembers. 1896 01:39:01,633 --> 01:39:04,233 It's the naked movie star game. 1897 01:39:04,233 --> 01:39:08,967 Do you remember that game? Or is your memory too bad? 1898 01:39:08,967 --> 01:39:12,467 Danny: You told Sam that he was stupid, 1899 01:39:12,467 --> 01:39:14,300 and that he was a chicken, 1900 01:39:14,300 --> 01:39:16,767 and that his memory was too bad. Is that right? 1901 01:39:16,767 --> 01:39:19,166 I was talking to the puppet. 1902 01:39:19,166 --> 01:39:22,066 You don't think little Sam thought you were calling him dumb? 1903 01:39:22,066 --> 01:39:25,000 If I believed that, Mr. Davis, I wouldn't have said it. 1904 01:39:28,233 --> 01:39:32,000 Now what the other kids did is they took this doll of Ray 1905 01:39:32,000 --> 01:39:34,433 and they started... like that. 1906 01:39:34,433 --> 01:39:36,166 (banging) 1907 01:39:36,166 --> 01:39:39,633 Wanna punch him like the other kids did? 1908 01:39:39,633 --> 01:39:41,500 Go ahead. 1909 01:39:43,000 --> 01:39:44,967 That's it. (banging) 1910 01:39:44,967 --> 01:39:47,567 Good for you. Good for you. 1911 01:39:47,567 --> 01:39:52,000 You wanna punch him? Go ahead. 1912 01:39:52,000 --> 01:39:54,934 Why did you encourage her to beat the doll 1913 01:39:54,934 --> 01:39:56,166 that was supposed to represent Ray? 1914 01:39:56,166 --> 01:39:58,166 Don't you think this kind of thing 1915 01:39:58,166 --> 01:40:01,033 leads the children to believe that he was a bad man? 1916 01:40:01,033 --> 01:40:03,500 Not at all. It was therapy. 1917 01:40:03,500 --> 01:40:05,300 It's best that they let their anger out, 1918 01:40:05,300 --> 01:40:09,166 rather than keeping it bottled up inside of themselves for years. 1919 01:40:09,166 --> 01:40:11,934 It can become a time bomb if it's repressed. 1920 01:40:11,934 --> 01:40:15,600 Sandra Krebs, your assistant. You taught her your technique. Did you not? 1921 01:40:15,600 --> 01:40:17,900 Yes, I did. And she was initially employed 1922 01:40:17,900 --> 01:40:20,800 as your video camera operator, was she not? 1923 01:40:20,800 --> 01:40:24,667 You seem to give a great priority to formal education, Mr. Davis. 1924 01:40:24,667 --> 01:40:27,000 Miss McFarlane, this was, in your words, 1925 01:40:27,000 --> 01:40:29,433 "One of the biggest molestation cases 1926 01:40:29,433 --> 01:40:32,600 "in the history of the world." 1927 01:40:32,600 --> 01:40:35,600 Why didn't you hire the most experienced person you could get? 1928 01:40:35,600 --> 01:40:38,834 Because some of them wouldn't have had the courage to do what had to be done. 1929 01:40:38,834 --> 01:40:43,000 What courage was that? Simply to find out the truth. 1930 01:40:44,600 --> 01:40:46,000 Remember all the times 1931 01:40:46,000 --> 01:40:48,734 your mom asked you if anything happened? 1932 01:40:48,734 --> 01:40:53,667 159 times. 1933 01:40:53,667 --> 01:40:57,834 I know what we'll do. 1934 01:40:57,834 --> 01:40:59,967 We tried this with another little girl. 1935 01:40:59,967 --> 01:41:03,633 Here's Big Bird. 1936 01:41:03,633 --> 01:41:05,133 Now, what this little girl did 1937 01:41:05,133 --> 01:41:10,033 was she squeaked once for no and twice for yes. (toy squeaks) 1938 01:41:10,033 --> 01:41:11,266 Can you do that? 1939 01:41:11,266 --> 01:41:14,967 Once for no and twice for yes. 1940 01:41:18,800 --> 01:41:21,400 When Jennifer was touched at the school, 1941 01:41:21,400 --> 01:41:24,500 was it a hand that touched her? 1942 01:41:24,500 --> 01:41:26,600 (squeaks once) No. 1943 01:41:26,600 --> 01:41:31,900 No. Did Ray sometimes do yucky things to some of the kids? 1944 01:41:31,900 --> 01:41:33,834 (squeaks once) No. 1945 01:41:33,834 --> 01:41:38,300 Sometimes people we like can touch kids 1946 01:41:38,300 --> 01:41:41,166 in places that are uncomfortable and scary. 1947 01:41:41,166 --> 01:41:44,166 Did you know that Ray did that to some of the kids? 1948 01:41:44,166 --> 01:41:46,433 (squeaks once) Danny, Kee: No. 1949 01:41:46,433 --> 01:41:48,700 We don't want to hear any more, "No's." 1950 01:41:48,700 --> 01:41:52,333 No, no, no, no, no! 1951 01:41:52,333 --> 01:41:57,066 You told this child's parents that she was molested, did you not? 1952 01:41:57,066 --> 01:42:00,367 We said she was in denial. Did the parents see all of the tapes? 1953 01:42:00,367 --> 01:42:04,900 I beg your pardon? Did they see all of the tapes, Miss McFarlane? 1954 01:42:04,900 --> 01:42:09,100 No. We were interviewing 400 children and more were calling all the time. 1955 01:42:09,100 --> 01:42:12,900 So all you had to do was press fast-forward on the VCR, 1956 01:42:12,900 --> 01:42:15,567 and you had at your fingertips each child saying whether or not 1957 01:42:15,567 --> 01:42:17,367 he or she had been molested, is that correct? 1958 01:42:17,367 --> 01:42:21,000 You give me too much credit, Mr. Davis. 1959 01:42:21,000 --> 01:42:24,200 The very idea that after an hour or two with me, a child would say 1960 01:42:24,200 --> 01:42:26,633 he was molested even if he wasn't 1961 01:42:26,633 --> 01:42:28,500 makes me out to be some sort of genius. 1962 01:42:28,500 --> 01:42:31,100 Children... 1963 01:42:31,100 --> 01:42:33,834 between three and six 1964 01:42:33,834 --> 01:42:36,166 can be very easily tricked. 1965 01:42:36,166 --> 01:42:39,533 They are at this developmental stage of magical thinking. 1966 01:42:39,533 --> 01:42:43,533 It is very easy to intimidate them. 1967 01:42:46,667 --> 01:42:50,600 You did make that statement, didn't you, Miss McFarlane? 1968 01:42:50,600 --> 01:42:54,033 I knew what would happen when I put myself on the line with these tapes. 1969 01:42:54,033 --> 01:42:57,667 I knew people like you would pick apart every word, every inflection. 1970 01:42:57,667 --> 01:43:01,600 But somebody had to do it, Mr. Davis, so the children could tell the truth. 1971 01:43:01,600 --> 01:43:05,133 The truth? Was what you got the truth? 1972 01:43:05,133 --> 01:43:07,667 What are you trying to suggest? 1973 01:43:07,667 --> 01:43:11,066 I would deliberately plant false ideas in their heads? 1974 01:43:11,066 --> 01:43:14,000 Is what why you think I entered into all of this? 1975 01:43:14,000 --> 01:43:18,133 No, I think you entered into all of this for a very noble reason: 1976 01:43:18,133 --> 01:43:21,433 to help children that you honestly thought had been traumatized, 1977 01:43:21,433 --> 01:43:25,066 and maybe spare them going through another trauma in this very courtroom. 1978 01:43:25,066 --> 01:43:28,266 But I also believe that you must have known 1979 01:43:28,266 --> 01:43:31,567 what a dangerous technique this was, highly suggestive, 1980 01:43:31,567 --> 01:43:33,200 a technique that was meant to be used 1981 01:43:33,200 --> 01:43:35,633 where abuse was already an established fact. 1982 01:43:35,633 --> 01:43:38,700 And yet, in this case, there was no such evidence that abuse had occurred. 1983 01:43:38,700 --> 01:43:41,133 And you went ahead and used this technique anyway. 1984 01:43:41,133 --> 01:43:42,900 And this technique became the evidence. 1985 01:43:42,900 --> 01:43:45,934 That's ridiculous. Of course there was abuse. 1986 01:43:45,934 --> 01:43:50,000 The children told me, I heard them, and you and the entire justice system 1987 01:43:50,000 --> 01:43:52,233 are trying to stop them from telling the truth. 1988 01:43:52,233 --> 01:43:55,700 Well, I don't blame you for not wanting to face reality, Miss McFarlane. 1989 01:43:55,700 --> 01:43:57,934 Because the reality is this: 1990 01:43:57,934 --> 01:43:59,900 You didn't listen to these children. 1991 01:43:59,900 --> 01:44:02,700 You closed your ears to the truth 1992 01:44:02,700 --> 01:44:05,967 that they were so desperately trying to tell you. 1993 01:44:05,967 --> 01:44:09,100 You ended up implanting instead in their fertile imaginations 1994 01:44:09,100 --> 01:44:13,700 a memory of something that never happened. 1995 01:44:13,700 --> 01:44:16,400 Why would I do that? Well, I don't know why, Miss McFarlane, 1996 01:44:16,400 --> 01:44:19,467 I do know that Mr. Satz came along, didn't he? 1997 01:44:19,467 --> 01:44:22,567 And then you suddenly became the Joan of Arc of the children's movement. 1998 01:44:22,567 --> 01:44:25,133 Your Honor... You were the champion of children's rights, 1999 01:44:25,133 --> 01:44:26,767 their savior. Judge: Mr. Davis! 2000 01:44:26,767 --> 01:44:28,133 Maybe it all went to your head. 2001 01:44:28,133 --> 01:44:29,900 Maybe the power trip was too much to resist. 2002 01:44:29,900 --> 01:44:31,266 Rubin: Your Honor... What power trip? 2003 01:44:31,266 --> 01:44:32,934 Mr. Davis... A halo around your head. 2004 01:44:32,934 --> 01:44:34,667 On Oprah every afternoon at 3:00. 2005 01:44:34,667 --> 01:44:35,800 You were on a role, weren't you? 2006 01:44:35,800 --> 01:44:37,967 Your Honor, objection! Judge: Mr. Davis! 2007 01:44:39,000 --> 01:44:41,900 That's enough. Objection sustained. 2008 01:44:41,900 --> 01:44:44,300 Thank you, Your Honor. I have no more questions. 2009 01:44:48,567 --> 01:44:51,467 Reporter: Raymond Buckey has now spent five years in jail 2010 01:44:51,467 --> 01:44:54,633 without bail, a new record in California history 2011 01:44:54,633 --> 01:44:57,367 which has generated criticism in legal circles. 2012 01:44:57,367 --> 01:44:59,900 But today, in a major defense victory, 2013 01:44:59,900 --> 01:45:02,333 Judge Pounders has granted him that bail 2014 01:45:02,333 --> 01:45:06,000 and placed him in the custody of his attorney, Daniel Davis. 2015 01:45:06,000 --> 01:45:09,266 (reporters clamoring) 2016 01:45:09,266 --> 01:45:12,400 How does it feel to be out? Ray! Ray! Come on, Ray, speak! 2017 01:45:12,400 --> 01:45:15,800 (clamoring continues) 2018 01:45:15,800 --> 01:45:17,767 Danny: Come on, Mr. Buckey. You know you're a pedophile. 2019 01:45:17,767 --> 01:45:19,533 You can't cut it with anyone but children 2020 01:45:19,533 --> 01:45:21,934 because you can make them do anything you want. 2021 01:45:21,934 --> 01:45:24,300 Please answer the question, Mr. Buckey! Stop it! Stop it! 2022 01:45:24,300 --> 01:45:27,633 I can't take this anymore. All right, all right. Cool down. 2023 01:45:27,633 --> 01:45:29,433 This is the kinda crap that they're gonna keep 2024 01:45:29,433 --> 01:45:31,967 shoveling at you all day long tomorrow. 2025 01:45:31,967 --> 01:45:34,700 And you've got to look every one of those jurors in the eye, Ray. 2026 01:45:34,700 --> 01:45:35,867 You keep lookin' away from 'em. 2027 01:45:35,867 --> 01:45:38,266 I need you to connect with every single one of them. 2028 01:45:38,266 --> 01:45:40,166 I can't do that. Why not? What are you afraid of? 2029 01:45:40,166 --> 01:45:42,800 I just spent the last five years in jail. All right, here we go. 2030 01:45:42,800 --> 01:45:44,266 I don't know how to behave anymore. 2031 01:45:44,266 --> 01:45:47,200 I mean, here's this woman who tells lies about me 2032 01:45:47,200 --> 01:45:49,100 and puts my mother behind bars 2033 01:45:49,100 --> 01:45:51,033 and then rips the skin off me every chance she gets. 2034 01:45:51,033 --> 01:45:53,400 How do I know I'm not just gonna jump out of the witness box 2035 01:45:53,400 --> 01:45:54,967 and strangle her or burst into tears? 2036 01:45:54,967 --> 01:45:56,767 Because that's exactly what she wants you to do. 2037 01:45:56,767 --> 01:46:00,133 Okay, you told me what you're afraid of. 2038 01:46:00,133 --> 01:46:02,600 You wanna know what I'm afraid of? 2039 01:46:05,567 --> 01:46:07,367 I'm afraid... 2040 01:46:07,367 --> 01:46:09,100 that I'm just a back alley lawyer. 2041 01:46:09,100 --> 01:46:12,000 I represent drug dealers and scumbags for a living. 2042 01:46:12,000 --> 01:46:14,667 I'm afraid Lael Rubin and Ira Reiner 2043 01:46:14,667 --> 01:46:18,867 and the entire DA's department is just gonna eat me alive. 2044 01:46:18,867 --> 01:46:22,433 But I've got one thing they haven't got, Ray. 2045 01:46:22,433 --> 01:46:23,567 I've got you. 2046 01:46:25,066 --> 01:46:27,433 And the only thing you've got... 2047 01:46:27,433 --> 01:46:29,567 is me. 2048 01:46:29,567 --> 01:46:31,300 So tomorrow, I'm gonna swallow my fear 2049 01:46:31,300 --> 01:46:33,800 and I'm gonna get up there and I'm gonna fight 'em. 2050 01:46:33,800 --> 01:46:36,300 And you're gonna tell them something 2051 01:46:36,300 --> 01:46:39,300 they haven't heard in that courtroom yet in this trial, Ray. 2052 01:46:39,300 --> 01:46:41,834 You're gonna tell them the truth. 2053 01:46:41,834 --> 01:46:45,033 And the jury is either gonna believe us or they aren't, son. 2054 01:46:45,033 --> 01:46:48,433 If they believe us, Ray, 2055 01:46:48,433 --> 01:46:52,166 you're gonna be a free man. 2056 01:46:52,166 --> 01:46:55,400 And if they don't... Yeah. 2057 01:46:55,400 --> 01:46:58,567 You understand? I understand. 2058 01:47:00,033 --> 01:47:01,800 Mr. Buckey, you've heard all these children... 2059 01:47:01,800 --> 01:47:03,934 Rubin: ...accuse you of sodomizing them, 2060 01:47:03,934 --> 01:47:05,433 of killing animals, 2061 01:47:05,433 --> 01:47:08,800 of threatening to kill their parents if they told anyone. 2062 01:47:08,800 --> 01:47:10,734 Were all these children lying? 2063 01:47:10,734 --> 01:47:14,600 No. Not all of them. What do you mean, not all of them? 2064 01:47:14,600 --> 01:47:15,867 Well, I think some of the children 2065 01:47:15,867 --> 01:47:17,433 were lead to believe these things happened. 2066 01:47:17,433 --> 01:47:21,600 Permission to approach, Your Honor? Judge: Granted. 2067 01:47:23,734 --> 01:47:26,266 Do you recognize these pictures? 2068 01:47:28,700 --> 01:47:31,834 What's the matter? You afraid of them? 2069 01:47:31,834 --> 01:47:34,333 Look at them. Pick them up. 2070 01:47:34,333 --> 01:47:37,834 Will you tell the jury what's on the first one, please? 2071 01:47:37,834 --> 01:47:40,400 It's a picture of a man giving oral sex to a woman. 2072 01:47:40,400 --> 01:47:42,133 Why did you keep it? 2073 01:47:43,467 --> 01:47:44,567 Self gratification. 2074 01:47:44,567 --> 01:47:46,400 You masturbated with them, did you not? 2075 01:47:46,400 --> 01:47:49,333 Will you tell the jury how you did that, please? 2076 01:47:49,333 --> 01:47:52,433 What do you mean? Isn't it true that you pasted this 2077 01:47:52,433 --> 01:47:56,200 to the window of your apartment and masturbated on the bed 2078 01:47:56,200 --> 01:47:59,100 in a position where people in the street could see you as they walk by? 2079 01:47:59,100 --> 01:48:02,967 No, that's not true. That's not what two of your neighbors said. 2080 01:48:02,967 --> 01:48:05,900 You can't see into my bedroom from the street. 2081 01:48:05,900 --> 01:48:10,033 You think a person who does this should work at a preschool? 2082 01:48:10,033 --> 01:48:12,734 I don't think it has anything to do with the preschool. 2083 01:48:12,734 --> 01:48:14,700 Then why did you tear this up when the police came? 2084 01:48:14,700 --> 01:48:17,166 Why did you flush it down the toilet? 2085 01:48:17,166 --> 01:48:20,200 I was afraid of what they might make out of it. 2086 01:48:20,200 --> 01:48:21,533 What might they make out of it? 2087 01:48:21,533 --> 01:48:23,467 What you're trying to make out of it now. 2088 01:48:23,467 --> 01:48:27,867 Isn't it true that you regularly sat facing the wading pool 2089 01:48:27,867 --> 01:48:30,767 at the preschool in your shorts without any underwear 2090 01:48:30,767 --> 01:48:33,033 with your genitals exposed to the children? 2091 01:48:33,033 --> 01:48:35,767 No. That isn't true. I didn't wear underwear, 2092 01:48:35,767 --> 01:48:37,900 but my shorts came halfway down my thighs. 2093 01:48:37,900 --> 01:48:43,266 You're a normal heterosexual typical young man. Is that true, Mr. Buckey? 2094 01:48:43,266 --> 01:48:45,867 I don't know if there is such a thing, Miss Rubin. 2095 01:48:45,867 --> 01:48:48,967 Isn't it true that the only gratification you have ever had 2096 01:48:48,967 --> 01:48:51,900 or ever will have is with these children, Mr. Buckey? 2097 01:48:51,900 --> 01:48:55,567 That you are incapable of having satisfactory sex with a grown woman? 2098 01:48:55,567 --> 01:48:59,900 (sighs) 2099 01:48:59,900 --> 01:49:03,600 I may have done some stupid things in my life. 2100 01:49:03,600 --> 01:49:08,333 And I am far from perfect, but I have never had sex with a child. 2101 01:49:08,333 --> 01:49:10,567 I've never hurt a child. 2102 01:49:10,567 --> 01:49:15,333 And I have had satisfactory sex with a grown woman, Miss Rubin. 2103 01:49:15,333 --> 01:49:17,400 Mmm-hmm. 2104 01:49:17,400 --> 01:49:20,166 Do you have an interest in pyramids, Mr. Buckey? 2105 01:49:20,166 --> 01:49:22,767 Danny: Objection. Irrelevant. Judge: Overruled. 2106 01:49:22,767 --> 01:49:24,233 What are pyramids? 2107 01:49:24,233 --> 01:49:27,600 They're supposed to have a positive effect 2108 01:49:27,600 --> 01:49:30,166 on living things. 2109 01:49:30,166 --> 01:49:33,066 It helps you sleep if you put one over your bed. It's just a fad. 2110 01:49:33,066 --> 01:49:35,967 Did you fly to a convention where pyramids were sold? 2111 01:49:35,967 --> 01:49:39,767 Objection. Your Honor, I think we better approach, if we may, please? 2112 01:49:39,767 --> 01:49:41,967 Very well. 2113 01:49:43,633 --> 01:49:44,667 Your Honor, I must object. 2114 01:49:44,667 --> 01:49:46,700 Miss Rubin is trying to convert pyramids 2115 01:49:46,700 --> 01:49:49,066 into pentagrams and turn my client into Dracula. 2116 01:49:49,066 --> 01:49:51,400 You categorize Peggy Buckey as a caring teacher. 2117 01:49:51,400 --> 01:49:54,166 Would a caring person allow somebody who abuses drugs 2118 01:49:54,166 --> 01:49:57,800 and flies off to pyramid conventions to work at her school? 2119 01:49:57,800 --> 01:49:59,500 Objection overruled. Continue. 2120 01:49:59,500 --> 01:50:02,266 Permission to approach, Your Honor? Granted. 2121 01:50:04,767 --> 01:50:09,567 Is this a picture of you at a convention holding a pyramid? 2122 01:50:09,567 --> 01:50:12,233 Yes. You see the woman on the right-hand side 2123 01:50:12,233 --> 01:50:14,367 of the photograph? 2124 01:50:16,967 --> 01:50:19,033 Ray: Yes. 2125 01:50:19,033 --> 01:50:20,500 Danny: Who is Diana Sullivan? 2126 01:50:20,500 --> 01:50:22,533 (sighs) I told you about her. 2127 01:50:22,533 --> 01:50:24,767 We had an affair. 2128 01:50:24,767 --> 01:50:29,033 She told two investigators otherwise. 2129 01:50:29,033 --> 01:50:32,000 I don't see what it matters whether or not I slept with her. 2130 01:50:32,000 --> 01:50:34,133 Well, I think the DA is gonna bring her here 2131 01:50:34,133 --> 01:50:37,200 and get her to tell the jury that you don't have sex with women. 2132 01:50:37,200 --> 01:50:40,600 And it's going to hurt us, Ray. 2133 01:50:40,600 --> 01:50:43,066 I don't think she'll do that. Oh, really? Why is that? 2134 01:50:43,066 --> 01:50:46,734 Because, what, you've become a secret stud all of a sudden? 2135 01:50:46,734 --> 01:50:49,166 Ray? 2136 01:50:49,166 --> 01:50:52,633 I just... I don't think she'll do that. 2137 01:50:52,633 --> 01:50:55,734 Ms. Sullivan, did you ever tell someone in 1984 2138 01:50:55,734 --> 01:50:59,500 that you had never had sex with Raymond Buckey? Yes. 2139 01:50:59,500 --> 01:51:01,767 Who was it? My fiancee. 2140 01:51:01,767 --> 01:51:06,767 And to the investigators that interviewed me seven years ago. 2141 01:51:06,767 --> 01:51:09,100 And why did you tell them that? 2142 01:51:09,100 --> 01:51:14,533 Because I wanted to protect my reputation and my marriage. 2143 01:51:14,533 --> 01:51:17,633 And in the last few weeks, did some people associated with Miss Rubin's office 2144 01:51:17,633 --> 01:51:21,200 come and visit you at your home in Montana? 2145 01:51:21,200 --> 01:51:23,233 Yes. 2146 01:51:23,233 --> 01:51:24,734 Danny: Would you tell us what they did, please? 2147 01:51:24,734 --> 01:51:27,367 They wanted to speak to me about my testimony. 2148 01:51:27,367 --> 01:51:29,500 They questioned me in front of my children. 2149 01:51:29,500 --> 01:51:32,233 My kids thought I was gonna go to jail. 2150 01:51:32,233 --> 01:51:34,166 What did they want? 2151 01:51:34,166 --> 01:51:37,033 They wanted assurances that I would testify 2152 01:51:37,033 --> 01:51:39,567 that I never had sex with Mr. Buckey. 2153 01:51:39,567 --> 01:51:43,734 Danny: And did you and Raymond Buckey in fact have sexual relations? 2154 01:51:43,734 --> 01:51:47,066 Yes. Danny: Thank you. That's all. 2155 01:51:48,567 --> 01:51:52,033 Would you describe yourself as promiscuous? 2156 01:51:52,033 --> 01:51:53,600 No. I really don't think so. 2157 01:51:53,600 --> 01:51:56,400 Have you been enjoying the publicity 2158 01:51:56,400 --> 01:51:58,033 you've been getting from this trial? 2159 01:51:58,033 --> 01:52:01,700 No. I know my children are gonna read about it in the paper. 2160 01:52:01,700 --> 01:52:06,300 Did you have any difficulty having sex 2161 01:52:06,300 --> 01:52:11,567 with Mr. Buckey? How do you mean, difficult? 2162 01:52:11,567 --> 01:52:14,900 Was it necessary to orally copulate Mr. Buckey 2163 01:52:14,900 --> 01:52:17,734 in order to have sex with him? 2164 01:52:17,734 --> 01:52:21,500 No. 2165 01:52:21,500 --> 01:52:24,300 Rubin: Didn't you tell that to investigators? 2166 01:52:24,300 --> 01:52:27,133 No, I did not. Rubin: Are you sure? 2167 01:52:27,133 --> 01:52:30,000 It's not the language I would have used. 2168 01:52:30,000 --> 01:52:34,066 What language would you have used, Ms. Sullivan? 2169 01:52:34,066 --> 01:52:38,433 I would have said... head. (laughter) 2170 01:52:40,600 --> 01:52:43,333 This is Mr. Buckey's seventh day on the stand. 2171 01:52:43,333 --> 01:52:48,000 Miss Rubin has gotten the allegedly most notorious child molester in history 2172 01:52:48,000 --> 01:52:50,800 to reveal that he did not wear underwear, 2173 01:52:50,800 --> 01:52:54,900 that he smoked marijuana, that he believed in pyramid power, 2174 01:52:54,900 --> 01:52:57,700 and was a virgin until 24. 2175 01:52:57,700 --> 01:53:00,400 But there seems to be little connection to the case that claimed... 2176 01:53:00,400 --> 01:53:03,600 Rubin: Thank you. ...400 child molestations 2177 01:53:03,600 --> 01:53:06,467 and launched nationwide hysteria. 2178 01:53:06,467 --> 01:53:08,867 Rubin: Were these items found in your room, Mr. Buckey? 2179 01:53:08,867 --> 01:53:10,200 Ray: Yes. 2180 01:53:10,200 --> 01:53:12,800 You've been interested in pornography for a long time. 2181 01:53:12,800 --> 01:53:16,800 Haven't you? How old were you when you drew this picture? 2182 01:53:16,800 --> 01:53:19,967 I was about 11. Don't you think this is rather sophisticated 2183 01:53:19,967 --> 01:53:24,967 for a boy that age? I used to pick up "Playboy" magazines and copy from those. 2184 01:53:24,967 --> 01:53:27,633 You drew pubic hair there, didn't you? 2185 01:53:29,367 --> 01:53:32,600 I drew nipples there too, see? 2186 01:53:38,333 --> 01:53:41,066 Let's talk about pyramids again. 2187 01:53:41,066 --> 01:53:44,700 Are these your books? Yes. 2188 01:53:44,700 --> 01:53:46,533 You think it's normal for a man your age 2189 01:53:46,533 --> 01:53:47,767 to believe in pyramids? 2190 01:53:47,767 --> 01:53:49,266 Well, I... I laugh about it now. 2191 01:53:49,266 --> 01:53:52,633 You laugh about it now, but you weren't laughing about it then. 2192 01:53:52,633 --> 01:53:54,600 No, I... I guess I wasn't. 2193 01:53:54,600 --> 01:53:56,900 You see an item on this table called a Raydome? 2194 01:53:56,900 --> 01:54:00,100 Yeah. But that's just what it's called. It has nothing to do with me. 2195 01:54:00,100 --> 01:54:01,467 That's not what I asked you. 2196 01:54:01,467 --> 01:54:03,667 Isn't it true that a Raydome is supposed to have 2197 01:54:03,667 --> 01:54:06,266 40 times the effectiveness of a regular pyramid? 2198 01:54:06,266 --> 01:54:09,433 Objection, Your Honor. It calls for speculation 2199 01:54:09,433 --> 01:54:12,066 as to the wattage of the Raydome. 2200 01:54:12,066 --> 01:54:16,567 (laughter) 2201 01:54:22,400 --> 01:54:24,433 Danny: Are these delightful items yours, Mr. Buckey? 2202 01:54:24,433 --> 01:54:26,133 Ray: No. Whose are they? 2203 01:54:26,133 --> 01:54:28,700 They're my sister's. Who bought them for her? 2204 01:54:28,700 --> 01:54:32,066 Her boyfriend's father, as a joke. 2205 01:54:37,233 --> 01:54:40,433 Is this your doll collection? No. 2206 01:54:40,433 --> 01:54:45,500 Whose is it? It's my mother's. 2207 01:54:45,500 --> 01:54:49,233 She kept them for her nieces to play with. 2208 01:54:56,266 --> 01:54:59,467 Now... what is this? 2209 01:54:59,467 --> 01:55:01,533 It's a pyramid hat. 2210 01:55:01,533 --> 01:55:03,433 A pyramid hat. 2211 01:55:08,834 --> 01:55:11,433 (laughter) 2212 01:55:11,433 --> 01:55:13,800 Like this? 2213 01:55:13,800 --> 01:55:15,567 It's, uh... it's backwards. 2214 01:55:15,567 --> 01:55:18,900 Oh. (laughter) 2215 01:55:20,533 --> 01:55:24,700 Mr. Buckey, is it possible that pyramid power 2216 01:55:24,700 --> 01:55:26,834 drove you to molest children? 2217 01:55:26,834 --> 01:55:30,400 No. Is it possible that pyramid power blanked out your mind 2218 01:55:30,400 --> 01:55:33,033 so you forgot horrible events like molesting children? 2219 01:55:33,033 --> 01:55:36,567 No. Is it possible... 2220 01:55:36,567 --> 01:55:39,567 you never molested children at all? Yes. 2221 01:55:39,567 --> 01:55:44,133 Look the jury in the eye, and answer this question. 2222 01:55:50,166 --> 01:55:54,700 Danny: Did you ever molest a child? 2223 01:55:54,700 --> 01:55:56,834 No. 2224 01:56:07,433 --> 01:56:11,233 ♪ ♪ 2225 01:56:12,967 --> 01:56:15,533 Feel like working out? 2226 01:56:15,533 --> 01:56:18,500 The jury came in. 2227 01:56:18,500 --> 01:56:21,033 What, you just heard? 2228 01:56:21,033 --> 01:56:23,734 No, I heard last night. 2229 01:56:23,734 --> 01:56:26,667 They're reading the verdict, uh, at the opening of session this morning. 2230 01:56:29,867 --> 01:56:32,433 They're hung on 13 counts, Ray. 2231 01:56:32,433 --> 01:56:36,233 Is that good or bad? 2232 01:56:36,233 --> 01:56:39,166 Your mother's charged with 13 counts. 2233 01:56:39,166 --> 01:56:42,266 So if they're hung on her... 2234 01:56:43,834 --> 01:56:45,200 it's not so good for you, is it? 2235 01:56:46,834 --> 01:56:49,033 Could be just a coincidence. 2236 01:56:49,033 --> 01:56:50,900 And it's not the end of everything. 2237 01:56:53,367 --> 01:56:55,100 I can keep you out on bail, I think. 2238 01:56:55,100 --> 01:56:57,600 We'll appeal. 2239 01:56:57,600 --> 01:56:59,834 We have grounds for appeal, I think. 2240 01:57:03,166 --> 01:57:04,800 I'm sorry, Ray. 2241 01:57:07,300 --> 01:57:10,000 I never thought 12 people would believe this. 2242 01:57:12,066 --> 01:57:14,233 I wasn't good enough. Oh, hey. 2243 01:57:18,767 --> 01:57:20,066 You did your best. 2244 01:57:20,066 --> 01:57:24,834 You know, you did the best you could. 2245 01:57:24,834 --> 01:57:28,233 I always knew this was the way it was gonna go. 2246 01:57:29,700 --> 01:57:31,400 I'll survive. 2247 01:57:44,233 --> 01:57:45,734 Judge: You have reached 52 verdicts? 2248 01:57:45,734 --> 01:57:47,100 Juror: We have, Your Honor. 2249 01:57:47,100 --> 01:57:48,567 Judge: If you'll present those forms 2250 01:57:48,567 --> 01:57:51,467 to the bailiff, the court will read the verdict. 2251 01:58:21,867 --> 01:58:24,133 The clerk will read the verdict. 2252 01:58:40,834 --> 01:58:43,100 In the case of the People of the State of California 2253 01:58:43,100 --> 01:58:46,667 versus Raymond Buckey and Peggy McMartin Buckey, 2254 01:58:46,667 --> 01:58:49,333 we the jury in the above entitled action find the defendants, 2255 01:58:49,333 --> 01:58:52,767 Peggy McMartin Buckey and Raymond Charles Buckey, 2256 01:58:52,767 --> 01:58:54,934 not guilty... All: Oh! 2257 01:58:54,934 --> 01:58:56,867 as charged with lewd acts with children 2258 01:58:56,867 --> 01:59:00,166 under the age of 14 in violation of Penal Code 2259 01:59:00,166 --> 01:59:03,533 Section 288-A, Felony. 2260 01:59:03,533 --> 01:59:04,967 Oh, my God. 2261 01:59:06,533 --> 01:59:08,000 Judge: Is this your verdict? 2262 01:59:08,000 --> 01:59:09,233 Juror: Yes, Your Honor. 2263 01:59:09,233 --> 01:59:10,867 Judge: So say one, so say you all? 2264 01:59:10,867 --> 01:59:12,800 Juror: Yes, Your Honor. 2265 01:59:12,800 --> 01:59:16,367 Judge: Does the prosecution wish to have the jury polled? 2266 01:59:16,367 --> 01:59:18,700 I should like to thank the members of the jury 2267 01:59:18,700 --> 01:59:22,200 for your participation in this most important case. 2268 01:59:22,200 --> 01:59:25,734 (all clamoring) 2269 01:59:28,667 --> 01:59:31,400 Oh, my baby! Oh! 2270 01:59:31,400 --> 01:59:34,500 (all clamoring) 2271 01:59:34,500 --> 01:59:37,667 Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! 2272 01:59:39,266 --> 01:59:42,133 We are! We're very happy. 2273 01:59:50,467 --> 01:59:55,133 It's over! I used to watch you, wondering what you must be thinking. 2274 01:59:55,133 --> 01:59:59,533 How hard it was on you. I saw you wipe away a tear once in a while, 2275 01:59:59,533 --> 02:00:01,834 but it didn't happen very often. 2276 02:00:01,834 --> 02:00:03,567 We read your mother's diary. 2277 02:00:03,567 --> 02:00:05,633 That school was your life. You loved kids, 2278 02:00:05,633 --> 02:00:09,834 and we could all see that. I'm not bitter. 2279 02:00:09,834 --> 02:00:14,266 I was raised not to be bitter. 2280 02:00:14,266 --> 02:00:16,467 We... 2281 02:00:16,467 --> 02:00:18,667 We lost everything. 2282 02:00:18,667 --> 02:00:21,900 We don't have anything! 2283 02:00:21,900 --> 02:00:24,667 Mama! (sobbing) We don't have anything! 2284 02:00:24,667 --> 02:00:27,433 Do you think they'll try your client again on the hung 13 counts? 2285 02:00:27,433 --> 02:00:29,066 If they put those children through this again, 2286 02:00:29,066 --> 02:00:31,200 it will be the biggest molestation of all. 2287 02:00:31,200 --> 02:00:33,734 I think everyone agrees that justice was done here at last. 2288 02:00:33,734 --> 02:00:36,500 Today we're investigating McMartin outrage. 2289 02:00:36,500 --> 02:00:37,734 What went wrong? 2290 02:00:37,734 --> 02:00:40,734 Does it spell the doom of child abuse cases? 2291 02:00:40,734 --> 02:00:42,867 Man: I could not do what the jury had done. 2292 02:00:42,867 --> 02:00:46,200 The justice system may have been served today, but justice was not. 2293 02:00:46,200 --> 02:00:48,567 Wake up, America. This is your wakeup call. 2294 02:00:48,567 --> 02:00:50,533 Geraldo: Despite the shocking and painfully... 2295 02:00:50,533 --> 02:00:54,433 There are some really upset and angry parents here. 2296 02:00:54,433 --> 02:00:57,633 We have a network of parents all over America. 2297 02:00:57,633 --> 02:01:00,433 These charges will be filed again. 2298 02:01:00,433 --> 02:01:03,066 Feelings are running very high in the courthouse. 2299 02:01:03,066 --> 02:01:05,967 This doesn't diminish what those children have lived through 2300 02:01:05,967 --> 02:01:08,200 or will have to face for the rest of their lives. 2301 02:01:08,200 --> 02:01:12,100 Female reporter: ...and who hoodwinked our legal system. 2302 02:01:14,266 --> 02:01:18,867 We have reached a decision to have a second trial on the McMartin case. 2303 02:01:18,867 --> 02:01:23,367 (groaning, murmuring) 2304 02:01:23,367 --> 02:01:24,934 We're glad you could come. 2305 02:01:24,934 --> 02:01:27,533 We'd like to talk to you about something I think you'll be happy about. 2306 02:01:27,533 --> 02:01:29,500 Where's Rubin? Man: She is no longer on the case. 2307 02:01:29,500 --> 02:01:31,100 She asked to be reassigned to Santa Monica. 2308 02:01:31,100 --> 02:01:33,133 It couldn't have anything to do with "The New York Times" 2309 02:01:33,133 --> 02:01:34,667 calling some of her behavior "sleazy" 2310 02:01:34,667 --> 02:01:36,934 and some of her remarks, "unprofessional," could it? 2311 02:01:36,934 --> 02:01:38,633 Let's get to the business at hand. 2312 02:01:38,633 --> 02:01:41,400 We'd like to spare the county the expense of going through this thing again. 2313 02:01:41,400 --> 02:01:45,133 Enough money has been spent. So here's... You looked at the tapes. 2314 02:01:45,133 --> 02:01:47,400 You finally looked at the tapes, didn't you? 2315 02:01:47,400 --> 02:01:50,967 (laughs) Now, we haven't spoken to Reiner about this, 2316 02:01:50,967 --> 02:01:54,266 we'd have to make a hard sell, you understand... That's bullshit. Okay? 2317 02:01:54,266 --> 02:01:56,767 We wouldn't all be sitting here if you hadn't already talked to Reiner. 2318 02:01:56,767 --> 02:01:58,133 He's running for Attorney General. 2319 02:01:58,133 --> 02:01:59,333 All you need is to lose again, 2320 02:01:59,333 --> 02:02:01,600 and you're lookin' for a way out. So, 2321 02:02:01,600 --> 02:02:04,100 what's the deal? 2322 02:02:04,100 --> 02:02:06,533 I'll tell you where I'm coming from. 2323 02:02:06,533 --> 02:02:10,300 I would personally urge Reiner to accept a nolo plea. 2324 02:02:10,300 --> 02:02:13,367 (sighs) Hmm... 2325 02:02:16,734 --> 02:02:19,600 Let me run it by my client. 2326 02:02:19,600 --> 02:02:23,233 You don't have to plead guilty. Okay? So you can just say 2327 02:02:23,233 --> 02:02:26,333 that you're takin' the deal because it's too good to turn down. 2328 02:02:26,333 --> 02:02:30,367 You take one count on each child and that's it. No time. 2329 02:02:30,367 --> 02:02:32,000 Doesn't that mean I'm saying I'm guilty? 2330 02:02:32,000 --> 02:02:35,767 No. It means you're saying, "I'm taking the deal 2331 02:02:35,767 --> 02:02:38,033 "because it's too good to turn down." 2332 02:02:38,033 --> 02:02:40,667 That's it? That's all? 2333 02:02:40,667 --> 02:02:44,333 And you have to register with the police. 2334 02:02:44,333 --> 02:02:46,767 Register as what? 2335 02:02:46,767 --> 02:02:49,867 That you're a sex offender. 2336 02:02:51,166 --> 02:02:53,033 You wanna go up and take this crapshoot again? 2337 02:02:53,033 --> 02:02:55,867 I'm sure as hell not gonna let them win without going to trial. 2338 02:02:55,867 --> 02:02:58,934 Trial? A trial. We can't go through another trial, Ray, and you know it. 2339 02:02:58,934 --> 02:03:00,934 You speak for yourself! Don't even think about it. 2340 02:03:00,934 --> 02:03:04,834 I'm tired, I'm exhausted and I'm burned out! 2341 02:03:04,834 --> 02:03:06,133 And you can't take anymore. 2342 02:03:06,133 --> 02:03:08,066 I remember you were gonna put a shiv through your ear. 2343 02:03:08,066 --> 02:03:10,467 You were gonna hang yourself with your shoe laces in your jail cell. 2344 02:03:10,467 --> 02:03:11,834 Yeah, yeah, okay. So don't say another trial. 2345 02:03:11,834 --> 02:03:13,867 So I thought about killing myself. Okay? 2346 02:03:13,867 --> 02:03:17,333 But never, not once, not in my worst time. 2347 02:03:17,333 --> 02:03:18,433 Now, listen to me, Danny. 2348 02:03:18,433 --> 02:03:20,266 Not once did I ever think 2349 02:03:20,266 --> 02:03:23,133 of giving them what you want me to give them now. 2350 02:03:23,133 --> 02:03:28,433 No way! I'm not putting on a piece of paper that I'm a pedophile. Never. 2351 02:03:30,533 --> 02:03:35,467 Ray, they say it ain't over until the fat lady sings. 2352 02:03:35,467 --> 02:03:37,033 I think she's already sung. 2353 02:03:39,967 --> 02:03:41,867 Thanks. 2354 02:03:41,867 --> 02:03:46,467 Hey! How are you, Danny? 2355 02:03:46,467 --> 02:03:48,133 Ray, how do you feel about goin' through another trial? 2356 02:03:48,133 --> 02:03:50,767 Fine. He feels fine about it. The DA wants to make me a deal. 2357 02:03:50,767 --> 02:03:52,133 And he wants me to let them off the hook. 2358 02:03:52,133 --> 02:03:53,300 I turned it down. Ray? 2359 02:03:53,300 --> 02:03:54,367 Just a second. Hey! 2360 02:03:54,367 --> 02:03:57,800 Wait a minute! Wait a minute! Come on! 2361 02:03:57,800 --> 02:04:00,667 I made a deal with Martinez to keep this under wraps. 2362 02:04:00,667 --> 02:04:03,133 It's too late. (clamoring) 2363 02:04:03,133 --> 02:04:04,133 Hi. 2364 02:04:04,133 --> 02:04:06,233 Mr. Martinez! 2365 02:04:06,233 --> 02:04:09,800 Mr. Martinez! Did you try to cut a deal with Ray Buckey? 2366 02:04:09,800 --> 02:04:11,433 Never. Not in a million years. 2367 02:04:11,433 --> 02:04:15,000 We wouldn't offer Ray Buckey a deal in his wildest dreams. 2368 02:04:15,000 --> 02:04:19,200 Thank you. Good day. Do it. 2369 02:04:19,200 --> 02:04:22,200 He's lying his ass off. What? 2370 02:04:22,200 --> 02:04:26,500 I said he's lying his ass off. 2371 02:04:28,533 --> 02:04:30,100 Mr. Martinez is a liar. 2372 02:04:30,100 --> 02:04:32,700 I had a meeting with him. I tape recorded the meeting. 2373 02:04:32,700 --> 02:04:34,200 Perhaps you'd all like to hear it. 2374 02:04:34,200 --> 02:04:36,066 Martinez on tape: I'll tell you where I'm coming from. 2375 02:04:36,066 --> 02:04:40,200 I would personally urge Reiner to accept a nolo plea. 2376 02:04:40,200 --> 02:04:44,633 Thank you. Thanks, Danny. 2377 02:04:47,033 --> 02:04:48,633 You were right. 2378 02:04:48,633 --> 02:04:52,233 The fat lady had another song in her after all. 2379 02:04:52,233 --> 02:04:56,300 (people murmuring) 2380 02:04:58,600 --> 02:05:01,100 Judge: Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, 2381 02:05:01,100 --> 02:05:03,567 have you reached a verdict? 2382 02:05:03,567 --> 02:05:06,000 Juror: We have been unable to come to a conclusion 2383 02:05:06,000 --> 02:05:08,033 on any of these nine counts. 2384 02:05:08,033 --> 02:05:10,033 We are irrevocably deadlocked 2385 02:05:10,033 --> 02:05:12,066 and will never come to a conclusion. 2386 02:05:12,066 --> 02:05:15,500 ♪ ♪ 2387 02:05:15,500 --> 02:05:17,734 Reporter: The McMartin case is finally over, 2388 02:05:17,734 --> 02:05:20,934 after seven years and 15 million dollars 2389 02:05:20,934 --> 02:05:23,300 and without a single conviction. 2390 02:05:32,500 --> 02:05:34,767 It's odd, isn't it? 2391 02:05:34,767 --> 02:05:37,500 Seven years, and then in one minute... 2392 02:05:37,500 --> 02:05:42,300 it's over. It's so strange. 2393 02:05:42,300 --> 02:05:45,467 It isn't over, not for me. 2394 02:05:45,467 --> 02:05:48,166 When something like this hits you, 2395 02:05:48,166 --> 02:05:51,066 you don't start your life over again so easily. 2396 02:05:51,066 --> 02:05:53,767 Not at my age. 2397 02:05:53,767 --> 02:05:56,567 Not when most of it's gone. 2398 02:05:56,567 --> 02:05:59,633 We don't mean to sound ungrateful, Danny, we are grateful. 2399 02:05:59,633 --> 02:06:02,433 I know. But... 2400 02:06:02,433 --> 02:06:04,667 this thing is gonna stay with us. 2401 02:06:04,667 --> 02:06:07,266 People have short memories. There's another astounding headline 2402 02:06:07,266 --> 02:06:10,200 in the papers, another case on TV. People forget. 2403 02:06:10,200 --> 02:06:12,266 Woman: Look, that's them. The child molesters. 2404 02:06:12,266 --> 02:06:14,166 Child molesters! 2405 02:06:14,166 --> 02:06:16,533 What is your problem? Huh? 2406 02:06:16,533 --> 02:06:19,500 You wanna say it to my face? 2407 02:06:19,500 --> 02:06:23,033 Child molesters, you see? 2408 02:06:23,033 --> 02:06:26,033 They don't forget. 2409 02:06:26,033 --> 02:06:29,767 And they don't care that they've ruined our lives. 2410 02:06:29,767 --> 02:06:34,133 And not just ours, the parents, the children. 2411 02:06:35,533 --> 02:06:37,567 How come God didn't stop it? 2412 02:06:37,567 --> 02:06:41,066 Oh, no. Don't blame God. 2413 02:06:41,066 --> 02:06:44,934 What happened to us was all the work of people. 2414 02:06:44,934 --> 02:06:48,100 God wasn't let into it. 2415 02:06:48,100 --> 02:06:52,300 Who had the time to stop and listen to God? 2416 02:06:52,300 --> 02:06:56,633 They were all too busy watching television. 2417 02:07:08,467 --> 02:07:12,767 ♪ ♪ 2418 02:08:11,433 --> 02:08:14,867 ♪ ♪ 2419 02:08:14,867 --> 02:08:19,467 (choral music plays) 2420 02:11:08,200 --> 02:11:11,467 (children laughing, shouting in distance) 2421 02:11:23,000 --> 02:11:27,066 (children laughing, shouting in distance) 2422 02:11:40,767 --> 02:11:44,800 (children laughing, shouting in distance)