1 00:00:07,355 --> 00:00:08,955 Nate! Finally. 2 00:00:08,957 --> 00:00:10,923 Buddy, I can't believe you're missing this, dude. 3 00:00:10,925 --> 00:00:12,092 The view up here is insane. 4 00:00:12,092 --> 00:00:15,095 The sunset on top of the bridge is mind-blowing. 5 00:00:15,096 --> 00:00:16,963 They weren't joking when they said... 6 00:00:16,964 --> 00:00:18,532 What'd you say? 7 00:00:18,533 --> 00:00:21,602 I'm in Chinatown. There's... there's some festival going on. 8 00:00:21,603 --> 00:00:22,736 Huh? What? 9 00:00:22,736 --> 00:00:23,870 I can barely hear you. 10 00:00:23,871 --> 00:00:25,705 Sorry, Tyler, there's people everywhere. 11 00:00:25,707 --> 00:00:26,974 Where are you? 12 00:00:26,975 --> 00:00:28,542 Yeah, I can't hear you. Say that again. 13 00:00:28,542 --> 00:00:30,878 Hang on a minute. I'm gonna move away from the crowd. 14 00:00:30,879 --> 00:00:33,146 Huh? Can you say that again, man? Where are you? 15 00:00:33,146 --> 00:00:35,783 Oh, it is chaos down here. 16 00:00:35,783 --> 00:00:37,618 You didn't show, so I tried calling you. 17 00:00:37,618 --> 00:00:38,752 Yeah, sorry. 18 00:00:38,753 --> 00:00:40,119 It's all good, I mean... 19 00:00:40,121 --> 00:00:42,789 I mean, the tour was at 8:00, but where you been? 20 00:00:42,790 --> 00:00:45,725 The trolls were waiting for me in the hotel lobby. 21 00:00:45,726 --> 00:00:47,761 Trolls? You lose 'em? 22 00:00:47,762 --> 00:00:49,796 - Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think so. - Okay, good. 23 00:00:49,798 --> 00:00:51,965 Come to me. Jump in a cab and I'll meet you when we get down. 24 00:00:51,966 --> 00:00:54,601 - Hello? - Okay, I'll be there soon. 25 00:00:54,603 --> 00:00:55,969 - Oh! - Nate? 26 00:00:55,969 --> 00:00:57,838 - The hell was that? - Nate? 27 00:00:57,838 --> 00:00:59,238 Oh! 28 00:00:59,240 --> 00:01:00,473 Hello? Nate? 29 00:01:00,475 --> 00:01:02,009 You still with me, buddy? 30 00:01:02,009 --> 00:01:03,210 Nate! 31 00:01:03,210 --> 00:01:04,778 Stop messing around, dude. 32 00:01:04,778 --> 00:01:06,748 Hello? 33 00:01:07,948 --> 00:01:09,115 Nate! 34 00:01:10,418 --> 00:01:12,552 Hello? Nate? 35 00:01:15,557 --> 00:01:16,689 What's going on, buddy? 36 00:01:16,691 --> 00:01:18,191 Ugh. Shooter. 37 00:01:18,192 --> 00:01:20,359 Did you say 'shooter'? Dude, it's hard to hear you. 38 00:01:20,361 --> 00:01:21,662 Did you say 'shooter'? 39 00:01:21,662 --> 00:01:23,730 - Someone's trying to kill me. - What are you... 40 00:01:23,731 --> 00:01:25,132 What are you talking about? 41 00:01:25,132 --> 00:01:26,933 Okay, you need to give me your location, man. 42 00:01:26,935 --> 00:01:28,468 Like, a street name, anything. 43 00:01:28,469 --> 00:01:30,302 - Just give me something. - Ugh. 44 00:01:30,304 --> 00:01:32,039 Nate? 45 00:01:32,039 --> 00:01:34,007 Nate, buddy? 46 00:01:34,008 --> 00:01:35,075 Talk to me, Nate! 47 00:01:35,075 --> 00:01:36,911 Nate?! 48 00:01:37,712 --> 00:01:39,212 Dammit! Nate! 49 00:01:40,180 --> 00:01:41,715 Nate, talk to me! 50 00:01:41,716 --> 00:01:45,253 Buddy! Nate! 51 00:02:21,055 --> 00:02:22,723 Special Agent Mackey, NCIS. 52 00:02:24,192 --> 00:02:25,826 Is there a problem? 53 00:02:27,596 --> 00:02:29,197 Thank you, Special Agent Mackey. 54 00:02:36,336 --> 00:02:38,506 Chief Petty Officer Nathaniel 'Nate' Holbrook, 55 00:02:38,507 --> 00:02:40,372 stationed out of Mayport, Florida. 56 00:02:40,373 --> 00:02:41,741 He was out here on leave. 57 00:02:41,742 --> 00:02:43,442 Flew out with his brother a few days ago. 58 00:02:43,444 --> 00:02:44,978 Thank you. 59 00:02:44,978 --> 00:02:46,346 Welcome to Sydney. 60 00:02:49,383 --> 00:02:52,418 The shots were fired about a hundred meters down the road. 61 00:02:52,420 --> 00:02:54,656 That's where he caught the wound to his torso. 62 00:02:56,456 --> 00:02:58,258 Stuffing from a toy koala. 63 00:02:58,259 --> 00:02:59,793 The shot went right through them both. 64 00:02:59,793 --> 00:03:02,262 Poor bastard ran till he was brought down. 65 00:03:02,263 --> 00:03:04,532 Second round must have gone through his heart 66 00:03:04,532 --> 00:03:06,067 if he dropped like that. 67 00:03:06,800 --> 00:03:09,537 He would have... He would have died in seconds. 68 00:03:09,538 --> 00:03:11,471 - Anyone else hit? - No. 69 00:03:11,472 --> 00:03:13,740 Packed street, and the killer 70 00:03:13,741 --> 00:03:15,474 focuses his fire on our boy. 71 00:03:15,475 --> 00:03:16,943 Why? 72 00:03:16,944 --> 00:03:19,612 Yeah, he seems to have a fan base too. 73 00:03:19,614 --> 00:03:22,415 - Holbrook, right? - Yeah, Nathaniel Holbrook. 74 00:03:25,318 --> 00:03:27,320 Justice for Zoe! 75 00:03:35,163 --> 00:03:36,829 Justice for Zoe. 76 00:03:36,831 --> 00:03:39,265 True crime podcast superfans. 77 00:03:39,266 --> 00:03:41,602 Marsh Family Murders. 78 00:03:41,603 --> 00:03:43,603 It's a podcast based on an Aussie family, 79 00:03:43,604 --> 00:03:44,805 two parents and a daughter, 80 00:03:44,805 --> 00:03:46,840 who were murdered on Thanksgiving Day. 81 00:03:46,841 --> 00:03:47,841 What happened in the end? 82 00:03:47,841 --> 00:03:49,776 Well, according to this, 83 00:03:49,777 --> 00:03:51,343 absolutely nothing. 84 00:03:51,344 --> 00:03:53,479 No one ever stood trial for their deaths. 85 00:03:53,480 --> 00:03:54,981 But the main suspect 86 00:03:54,983 --> 00:03:57,183 was US Navy Chief Petty Officer... 87 00:03:57,185 --> 00:03:58,853 Nate Holbrook. 88 00:04:00,454 --> 00:04:03,090 Nate used to date the murdered daughter, Zoe Marsh. 89 00:04:03,091 --> 00:04:06,060 Looks like someone got their justice in the end. 90 00:04:11,199 --> 00:04:13,634 Sorry, little fella. 91 00:04:13,634 --> 00:04:15,401 You're supposed to be a protected species. 92 00:04:15,402 --> 00:04:16,771 Evie! 93 00:04:19,841 --> 00:04:21,408 Got another one. 94 00:04:23,845 --> 00:04:25,512 Come on. 95 00:04:25,512 --> 00:04:27,213 Check it out. 96 00:04:27,214 --> 00:04:29,817 ...308, full metal jacket. 97 00:04:29,817 --> 00:04:31,752 Favored by long-distance shooters. 98 00:04:31,752 --> 00:04:33,321 That's comforting. 99 00:04:35,389 --> 00:04:37,759 Sounds like we got ourselves a sniper. 100 00:04:38,558 --> 00:04:40,293 Angle of fire suggests the shooter 101 00:04:40,293 --> 00:04:42,629 had an elevated position. 102 00:04:42,630 --> 00:04:44,465 Plenty of options. 103 00:04:45,566 --> 00:04:47,134 Let's narrow 'em down, then. 104 00:04:56,610 --> 00:04:59,245 Damn! Hell of a shot. 105 00:04:59,247 --> 00:05:01,682 Yeah, I could make that. 106 00:05:01,682 --> 00:05:03,516 Girl, in your dreams. 107 00:05:03,516 --> 00:05:06,052 I took out Hansie from a moving boat. 108 00:05:06,053 --> 00:05:07,586 A croc chalked up that hit. 109 00:05:07,588 --> 00:05:09,257 - Oh, whatever. - Ugh! 110 00:05:10,959 --> 00:05:13,226 Shooter doesn't seem bothered about leaving evidence. 111 00:05:21,769 --> 00:05:23,271 D. 112 00:05:26,940 --> 00:05:28,375 What is that? Opal? 113 00:05:28,375 --> 00:05:31,211 Yeah, not just any opal. Black opal. 114 00:05:31,211 --> 00:05:32,745 Rarest of the rare. 115 00:05:32,747 --> 00:05:34,314 Not something you leave behind. 116 00:05:34,314 --> 00:05:36,317 Unless you're making a statement. 117 00:05:49,197 --> 00:05:52,365 Zoe Marsh, her mother, Jacquie, and her father, Brendan, 118 00:05:52,365 --> 00:05:54,033 sat down to celebrate Thanksgiving 119 00:05:54,034 --> 00:05:58,637 with Zoe's boyfriend, US Navy sailor Nate Holbrook. 120 00:05:58,639 --> 00:05:59,939 None of the Marsh family 121 00:05:59,941 --> 00:06:02,041 made it through to the pumpkin pie dessert. 122 00:06:02,043 --> 00:06:04,677 Zoe's boyfriend was found covered in blood, 123 00:06:04,678 --> 00:06:05,913 clutching a shotgun, 124 00:06:05,913 --> 00:06:08,214 with gunpowder residue on his hands. 125 00:06:08,216 --> 00:06:12,351 He had no plausible alibi, yet the case never went to trial. 126 00:06:12,353 --> 00:06:16,423 Five years on and a lot of people are still asking why. 127 00:06:16,423 --> 00:06:18,024 I'm Lucinda Wainwright. 128 00:06:18,026 --> 00:06:22,461 Join me as I find answers to what really happened that day. 129 00:06:24,365 --> 00:06:25,432 The real mystery is 130 00:06:25,432 --> 00:06:27,266 why they were celebrating Thanksgiving. 131 00:06:27,268 --> 00:06:28,500 It was Thanksgiving Day. 132 00:06:28,502 --> 00:06:31,204 It's not an Aussie thing, D. You know that, right? 133 00:06:31,204 --> 00:06:32,740 Y'all appropriate Halloween. 134 00:06:32,740 --> 00:06:34,240 You know, why miss out on a chance 135 00:06:34,242 --> 00:06:36,643 to eat turkey and cornbread with your nearest and dearest? 136 00:06:36,644 --> 00:06:37,911 Because turkey's a dry bird. 137 00:06:37,911 --> 00:06:38,911 See, now, 138 00:06:38,913 --> 00:06:40,713 you ain't tried my grandma's turkey. 139 00:06:40,715 --> 00:06:43,082 The trick is buttermilk brine. 140 00:06:43,084 --> 00:06:44,384 Three whole days. 141 00:06:44,384 --> 00:06:46,786 Then there's the butter that she slips under the skin. 142 00:06:46,788 --> 00:06:47,721 D... 143 00:06:47,721 --> 00:06:49,288 Bacon grease all over the breast meat. 144 00:06:49,290 --> 00:06:51,925 Then that special basting of her garlic butter every half-hour. 145 00:06:51,925 --> 00:06:53,927 D, come on, you're giving me hunger pains. 146 00:06:53,927 --> 00:06:55,394 Yeah, giving me a coronary. 147 00:06:55,396 --> 00:06:57,798 Does the podcast have a theory as to motive? 148 00:06:57,798 --> 00:06:59,566 Episode 2: The Letters. 149 00:06:59,567 --> 00:07:02,101 Covers Nate's possible motive. 150 00:07:02,103 --> 00:07:03,771 According to the podcast, 151 00:07:03,771 --> 00:07:06,072 Zoe was suspected of cheating on Nate. 152 00:07:06,074 --> 00:07:08,675 He supposedly found letters to her from a mystery lover 153 00:07:08,675 --> 00:07:10,076 and just snapped. 154 00:07:10,077 --> 00:07:11,144 Hmm. 155 00:07:11,144 --> 00:07:12,245 Theory is 156 00:07:12,245 --> 00:07:14,014 Nate then draped the letters 157 00:07:14,014 --> 00:07:16,415 over Zoe's body after he shot her. 158 00:07:16,417 --> 00:07:18,550 - The police charged him, right? - Initially. 159 00:07:18,552 --> 00:07:20,821 But the Department of Public Prosecutions 160 00:07:20,822 --> 00:07:22,221 declined to prosecute, 161 00:07:22,223 --> 00:07:26,093 as featured on Episode 6: Justice Never Served. 162 00:07:26,093 --> 00:07:27,795 So what happened? Not enough evidence? 163 00:07:27,795 --> 00:07:30,463 See, to answer that, y'all want Episode 7: Cover-Up. 164 00:07:30,463 --> 00:07:32,665 Which is part 1 of 2. It's a banger. 165 00:07:32,665 --> 00:07:34,167 Who did the covering up? 166 00:07:34,168 --> 00:07:37,637 Well, according to this, we did. The US Navy. 167 00:07:37,637 --> 00:07:39,840 The NCIS case at the time 168 00:07:39,841 --> 00:07:41,808 states Nate was granted emergency leave. 169 00:07:41,810 --> 00:07:43,310 Once he returned to the States, 170 00:07:43,310 --> 00:07:45,177 charges were mysteriously dropped. 171 00:07:45,178 --> 00:07:47,648 - I want that file. - Sitting in your inbox. 172 00:07:48,449 --> 00:07:50,617 Hey, Blue, how are we going, uh, fingerprint-wise? 173 00:07:50,617 --> 00:07:53,653 Uh, not very wise. No prints. 174 00:07:53,653 --> 00:07:55,956 But I'm running the DNA from the coffee cup 175 00:07:55,956 --> 00:07:57,689 and cigarettes from the sniper's nest. 176 00:07:57,691 --> 00:08:00,427 Figure we'll check out the gun ranges around town. 177 00:08:00,427 --> 00:08:02,661 Guy was a hotshot. Only comes with practice. 178 00:08:02,663 --> 00:08:03,997 Or natural talent. 179 00:08:03,997 --> 00:08:05,833 Bit of luck, we match the gun and ammo 180 00:08:05,834 --> 00:08:07,634 with the names from the podcast's subscriber list. 181 00:08:17,045 --> 00:08:20,512 Now, um, I believe you have my brother's body. 182 00:08:20,514 --> 00:08:22,149 Appreciate everything you're... you're doing 183 00:08:22,149 --> 00:08:24,016 to catch whoever killed my little brother. 184 00:08:24,018 --> 00:08:26,185 Why did Nate come back after all these years? 185 00:08:26,187 --> 00:08:28,221 Wainwright got in contact. 186 00:08:28,221 --> 00:08:30,189 Sweet-talked Nate into coming to Australia 187 00:08:30,190 --> 00:08:31,391 to tell his side of events. 188 00:08:31,391 --> 00:08:33,692 - Nate went on the podcast? - Yeah. 189 00:08:33,693 --> 00:08:37,932 He recorded a vlog interview yesterday with Lucinda. 190 00:08:40,168 --> 00:08:42,336 The Marshes were like a family to Nate. 191 00:08:43,270 --> 00:08:44,871 Zoe was his sweetheart. 192 00:08:44,873 --> 00:08:46,239 He couldn't stand the thought 193 00:08:46,240 --> 00:08:49,509 that the actual killer was still out there, so... 194 00:08:51,178 --> 00:08:54,248 I mean, I came out to make sure he had someone in his corner. 195 00:08:58,351 --> 00:09:01,120 I had to perform a full autopsy. 196 00:09:01,121 --> 00:09:02,923 I've, uh, sewn him back up, 197 00:09:02,923 --> 00:09:04,557 but you might find... 198 00:09:04,557 --> 00:09:07,294 ...my handiwork a little confronting. 199 00:09:10,798 --> 00:09:13,866 I'd like to say goodbye, if that's all right. 200 00:09:13,868 --> 00:09:16,104 That's fair enough. 201 00:09:32,552 --> 00:09:34,022 Hmm. 202 00:09:35,822 --> 00:09:38,892 He... uh, he worked with his hands, I see. 203 00:09:38,893 --> 00:09:41,227 I'm sorry. 204 00:09:41,229 --> 00:09:43,931 Yeah, um, he was a machinist's mate. 205 00:09:43,932 --> 00:09:45,398 He said pulling engines apart 206 00:09:45,399 --> 00:09:47,100 and putting them back together was... 207 00:09:47,100 --> 00:09:49,302 Well, it was his happy place. 208 00:09:49,302 --> 00:09:50,703 Mm-hm. 209 00:09:51,838 --> 00:09:54,341 God, I'm so sorry, bro. 210 00:09:54,341 --> 00:09:56,476 I let you down. 211 00:10:02,649 --> 00:10:04,017 Listen, son. 212 00:10:04,018 --> 00:10:05,586 You take your time. 213 00:10:06,620 --> 00:10:10,657 I mean, the grief of losing someone close is unimaginable. 214 00:10:10,658 --> 00:10:11,993 But... 215 00:10:14,162 --> 00:10:18,630 Losing family, it's... it's on another level entirely. 216 00:10:18,631 --> 00:10:20,301 You speaking from experience? 217 00:10:21,335 --> 00:10:23,171 Hmm. 218 00:10:24,504 --> 00:10:28,807 Just one thing that's been bugging me. 219 00:10:28,808 --> 00:10:31,311 Your brother, did he own a toy koala? 220 00:10:31,312 --> 00:10:33,613 Clarence. 221 00:10:33,614 --> 00:10:34,981 - Oh? - Yeah, we, uh... 222 00:10:34,982 --> 00:10:36,984 I bought him for... 223 00:10:36,985 --> 00:10:39,485 ...for, uh, our niece. 224 00:10:39,486 --> 00:10:42,423 We made sure Clarence photobombed all of our pictures. 225 00:10:45,259 --> 00:10:48,528 We were actually gonna go hiking in the Blue Mountains today. 226 00:10:49,529 --> 00:10:51,032 I'm sorry. 227 00:10:53,067 --> 00:10:54,868 I'm sorry for your loss. 228 00:11:05,678 --> 00:11:07,413 I pulled the cold case files. 229 00:11:07,414 --> 00:11:09,982 Maybe shed some light on whether Nate really killed that family. 230 00:11:09,984 --> 00:11:11,484 It's kind of beside the point. 231 00:11:11,485 --> 00:11:12,652 All that really matters 232 00:11:12,653 --> 00:11:14,221 is whether or not our killer believed he did. 233 00:11:15,389 --> 00:11:18,259 Hi. Come on through. 234 00:11:21,394 --> 00:11:23,863 Oh, my ex enjoyed The Chancery Lane Killings. 235 00:11:23,864 --> 00:11:27,200 Used to listen to it on long road trips down the coast. 236 00:11:27,201 --> 00:11:29,036 Killer went down for it in the end, 237 00:11:29,037 --> 00:11:31,203 thanks to your investigation, if I remember. 238 00:11:31,205 --> 00:11:33,240 I like to think I played a small part 239 00:11:33,240 --> 00:11:34,274 in reopening the case. 240 00:11:34,274 --> 00:11:37,210 What about you, Agent Mackey? 241 00:11:37,211 --> 00:11:40,147 I liked Serial. That one of yours? 242 00:11:40,148 --> 00:11:41,181 No. 243 00:11:41,182 --> 00:11:42,415 Hm. 244 00:11:44,884 --> 00:11:47,019 Maybe we should talk about Nate Holbrook's murder. 245 00:11:47,020 --> 00:11:50,190 Yeah, that was horrible. The poor brother. 246 00:11:50,191 --> 00:11:52,658 Do you have any leads yet? 247 00:11:52,659 --> 00:11:54,894 Ah, running a few angles. 248 00:11:54,894 --> 00:11:57,096 Internet vigilantism is one of them. 249 00:11:57,097 --> 00:11:59,231 Really? As in one of my listeners? 250 00:11:59,232 --> 00:12:02,902 presence at our crime scene. 251 00:12:02,903 --> 00:12:04,971 Well, word travels fast. People care. 252 00:12:05,972 --> 00:12:08,441 People who'd be willing to take matters into their own hands? 253 00:12:08,442 --> 00:12:12,745 I mean, I have over a million subscribers. How would I know? 254 00:12:12,745 --> 00:12:14,081 You got a chat room? 255 00:12:14,081 --> 00:12:17,116 Anyone use violent language directed at Nate? 256 00:12:17,118 --> 00:12:18,118 Some. 257 00:12:18,119 --> 00:12:19,219 But would any of them 258 00:12:19,220 --> 00:12:20,687 take their frustration beyond the keyboard? 259 00:12:20,687 --> 00:12:22,355 I really couldn't say. 260 00:12:23,124 --> 00:12:26,359 - You interviewed Nate yesterday. - He reached out. 261 00:12:26,360 --> 00:12:28,927 We heard it was the other way around. 262 00:12:28,928 --> 00:12:30,763 No, he was desperate to clear his name. 263 00:12:30,764 --> 00:12:32,732 I just gave him the opportunity. 264 00:12:33,667 --> 00:12:35,501 I'm gonna need a copy of that recording. 265 00:12:35,503 --> 00:12:37,104 Sure. 266 00:12:37,105 --> 00:12:39,272 You know, if Nate's killer is 267 00:12:39,273 --> 00:12:41,573 some sort of internet vigilante, 268 00:12:41,575 --> 00:12:44,577 chances are they listen to my podcast, right? 269 00:12:45,678 --> 00:12:46,613 So? 270 00:12:46,614 --> 00:12:48,480 So you should come on my show 271 00:12:48,481 --> 00:12:50,582 and talk to them direct. 272 00:12:50,584 --> 00:12:52,119 You know, maybe that's not such a crazy idea... 273 00:12:52,120 --> 00:12:54,421 - That is a crazy idea. - Oh, go on. 274 00:12:54,422 --> 00:12:56,755 We could go live. 275 00:12:56,756 --> 00:12:59,459 You can engage with my listeners directly. 276 00:12:59,460 --> 00:13:00,760 And who knows? 277 00:13:01,662 --> 00:13:03,931 You might even catch a break. 278 00:13:11,871 --> 00:13:13,541 Thanks for your time. 279 00:13:24,985 --> 00:13:27,354 - Can I help you? - Luka Litchfield? 280 00:13:27,355 --> 00:13:28,955 Yep, that's me. 281 00:13:28,956 --> 00:13:30,789 Special Agent Jackson, NCIS. 282 00:13:30,791 --> 00:13:34,027 Constable Evie Cooper, AFP. We called ahead. 283 00:13:35,028 --> 00:13:36,495 Thought you said lunchtime. 284 00:13:36,496 --> 00:13:38,331 We've been to every gun range in Sydney. 285 00:13:38,331 --> 00:13:39,631 You're lucky last. 286 00:13:39,633 --> 00:13:42,469 Oh, remind me to buy a lottery ticket. 287 00:13:43,537 --> 00:13:44,571 We're gonna need a list 288 00:13:44,572 --> 00:13:45,804 of all your target shooters 289 00:13:45,806 --> 00:13:47,673 and their registered firearms with your club. 290 00:13:47,674 --> 00:13:49,308 Specifically high-caliber rifles 291 00:13:49,309 --> 00:13:52,279 firing .308 full metal jacket rounds. 292 00:13:53,780 --> 00:13:55,847 Oh, we've got a new fandangled system, 293 00:13:55,849 --> 00:13:57,048 so it'll take me a beat. 294 00:13:57,049 --> 00:13:58,385 Oh, we can wait. 295 00:14:02,389 --> 00:14:03,623 Ooh! 296 00:14:03,624 --> 00:14:05,857 - While we do... - Really? 297 00:14:05,859 --> 00:14:08,727 You seriously wanna get shown up, soldier boy? 298 00:14:08,729 --> 00:14:10,163 Hope you brought your textbook, 299 00:14:10,163 --> 00:14:11,563 'cause I'm taking you to school. 300 00:14:11,565 --> 00:14:14,067 Oh. 301 00:14:20,341 --> 00:14:21,573 Whoo-hoo-hoo! 302 00:14:23,177 --> 00:14:26,044 Four center circle, two outside. 303 00:14:26,046 --> 00:14:28,380 Three center circle. 304 00:14:28,381 --> 00:14:30,716 That one is outside the line, D. 305 00:14:30,717 --> 00:14:32,018 On the line. 306 00:14:32,019 --> 00:14:34,955 NRL rules, baby. On the line is out. 307 00:14:45,232 --> 00:14:47,868 - Three center circle. - Three outside. 308 00:14:48,769 --> 00:14:50,403 We tied again. 309 00:14:51,304 --> 00:14:53,740 Go again? Next one wins? 310 00:14:53,740 --> 00:14:55,575 Oi, you two. 311 00:14:55,576 --> 00:14:58,076 Sorry, I got into the register, but it's telling me 312 00:14:58,077 --> 00:15:00,580 the printer's not connected or something. 313 00:15:00,581 --> 00:15:02,215 Oh, yeah, yeah, email's fine. 314 00:15:02,216 --> 00:15:04,984 We're under the gun, so to speak. 315 00:15:10,758 --> 00:15:13,360 I don't know what the hell happened that day. 316 00:15:13,360 --> 00:15:14,626 You know, I wish I did. 317 00:15:14,628 --> 00:15:16,763 And where were you at the time of the murders? 318 00:15:16,764 --> 00:15:18,431 Well, party was going well. 319 00:15:18,432 --> 00:15:20,600 You know, we were having a good time. 320 00:15:20,600 --> 00:15:23,269 Um, I went out to get some beer. 321 00:15:23,270 --> 00:15:26,374 When I got back, Zoe... 322 00:15:27,674 --> 00:15:29,176 Her entire family... 323 00:15:31,144 --> 00:15:32,879 There was a lot of blood. 324 00:15:32,879 --> 00:15:34,647 I got it all over me. 325 00:15:34,648 --> 00:15:37,283 You were clocked leaving the liquor store at 2:25, 326 00:15:37,284 --> 00:15:39,485 but you didn't call the police until 3:30. 327 00:15:39,486 --> 00:15:41,086 - What happened in the interim? - Yeah. 328 00:15:41,087 --> 00:15:42,621 I got a flat tire on the way home. 329 00:15:42,623 --> 00:15:45,625 I had no jack in the back of my pickup, 330 00:15:45,625 --> 00:15:47,326 so I had to use what I had. 331 00:15:47,327 --> 00:15:48,995 I've been over this. 332 00:15:48,995 --> 00:15:51,630 Seriously? The old flat-tire alibi? 333 00:15:51,631 --> 00:15:53,633 What does he think this is, Murder, She Wrote? 334 00:15:53,634 --> 00:15:55,134 - Is anyone buying this? - What, the alibi? 335 00:15:55,134 --> 00:15:57,803 Or the fact that you name- checked a 40-year-old TV show? 336 00:15:57,804 --> 00:15:59,838 - Come on. - You're on the news, boss. 337 00:15:59,840 --> 00:16:02,008 Or should I say, you are the news. 338 00:16:02,009 --> 00:16:05,244 In the latest installment of the Marsh Family Murders, 339 00:16:05,245 --> 00:16:07,178 the net widens as NCIS 340 00:16:07,179 --> 00:16:09,148 investigate Nate Holbrook's murder. 341 00:16:09,149 --> 00:16:11,017 Will they unveil the truth 342 00:16:11,018 --> 00:16:13,421 or will the cover-up continue? 343 00:16:15,956 --> 00:16:18,190 - We should go on her show. - She's baiting us. 344 00:16:18,191 --> 00:16:20,493 That's been up there, what, half an hour. 345 00:16:20,494 --> 00:16:22,794 - Have a go at all the likes. - I'm not doing it. 346 00:16:22,796 --> 00:16:25,998 Come on, she's offering us a chance to connect directly 347 00:16:25,999 --> 00:16:27,533 with millions of listeners 348 00:16:27,534 --> 00:16:29,000 who might be able to help us with the case. 349 00:16:29,001 --> 00:16:32,804 It is a podcast, JD, and we're cops. At least I am. 350 00:16:32,806 --> 00:16:35,375 Chances are Nate's killer's gonna tune in. 351 00:16:35,375 --> 00:16:39,010 And when they do, I want us to be there. 352 00:16:49,956 --> 00:16:52,491 For the record, this is one of your stupider ideas. 353 00:16:52,493 --> 00:16:53,960 You really don't like her, do you? 354 00:16:53,961 --> 00:16:55,161 I have no opinion either way. 355 00:16:55,162 --> 00:16:57,196 Is it 'cause of her success in solving crime? 356 00:16:57,197 --> 00:16:58,297 Let's be clear. 357 00:16:58,298 --> 00:17:01,100 She sells advertising space, I solve crime. 358 00:17:02,503 --> 00:17:05,538 Hey, just remember, when you speak, to modulate your voice. 359 00:17:05,538 --> 00:17:07,339 You don't want the listeners falling asleep 360 00:17:07,340 --> 00:17:08,740 'cause you're all Monotone Mackey. 361 00:17:08,741 --> 00:17:11,377 Okay, Wolfman Jack, just worry about yourself. 362 00:17:13,145 --> 00:17:14,580 Today we are lucky enough 363 00:17:14,582 --> 00:17:17,916 to be joined by NCIS Special Agent Michelle Mackey 364 00:17:17,917 --> 00:17:21,019 and her AFP counterpart, Sergeant Jim Dempsey. 365 00:17:21,020 --> 00:17:24,222 I am so excited to have you both on the show. 366 00:17:24,223 --> 00:17:27,093 Our first transcontinental crime-fighting duo. 367 00:17:27,094 --> 00:17:29,395 - Pleasure to be here. - Thanks for the invite. 368 00:17:29,396 --> 00:17:30,896 Can I start by asking 369 00:17:30,897 --> 00:17:33,601 why you both came on the show in the first place? 370 00:17:35,067 --> 00:17:36,804 Hi there, folks. 371 00:17:39,205 --> 00:17:41,106 It's simple, really. 372 00:17:41,107 --> 00:17:43,241 We're investigating Nate Holbrook's murder 373 00:17:43,242 --> 00:17:45,744 and wondering if anyone has seen anything, 374 00:17:45,746 --> 00:17:48,980 heard anything, that might relate to what happened. 375 00:17:48,981 --> 00:17:50,750 Right on, Macka. 376 00:17:50,750 --> 00:17:54,520 So, over to you good people at home. 377 00:17:54,521 --> 00:17:55,922 If you have any information 378 00:17:55,923 --> 00:17:58,557 that could point us in the direction of Nate's shooter, 379 00:17:58,558 --> 00:18:01,861 be sure to call or text the number on the screen. 380 00:18:01,862 --> 00:18:03,730 You heard Sergeant Dempsey. 381 00:18:03,730 --> 00:18:05,230 We are now open for questions. 382 00:18:05,231 --> 00:18:08,200 383 00:18:08,201 --> 00:18:09,402 Next one. 384 00:18:09,403 --> 00:18:10,737 Stirling Merrifield. 385 00:18:12,138 --> 00:18:15,776 - Evie. Stirling Merrifield. - Shh! 386 00:18:17,478 --> 00:18:19,377 While we wait for the calls to come through, 387 00:18:19,378 --> 00:18:20,613 perhaps you can tell us about 388 00:18:20,614 --> 00:18:23,415 the US-Australian Law Enforcement Partnership. 389 00:18:23,416 --> 00:18:26,051 How's that going for you, Agent Mackey? 390 00:18:26,053 --> 00:18:27,252 It's terrific. 391 00:18:27,253 --> 00:18:28,788 Believe it or not, we're a great 392 00:18:28,788 --> 00:18:30,088 cultural fit. 393 00:18:30,089 --> 00:18:31,423 There... 394 00:18:37,297 --> 00:18:38,631 There were some... 395 00:18:38,632 --> 00:18:41,099 There were some natural teething issues 396 00:18:41,101 --> 00:18:42,101 at first. 397 00:18:42,102 --> 00:18:44,636 Uh, I think they thought we'd last, 398 00:18:44,637 --> 00:18:46,271 you know, like, two weeks. 399 00:18:46,272 --> 00:18:48,840 But here we are, still doing our thing. 400 00:18:48,842 --> 00:18:51,309 - Yeah. - Uh... 401 00:18:51,310 --> 00:18:52,813 Doing our thang. 402 00:18:55,147 --> 00:18:58,284 Did I say what a tremendous opportunity 403 00:18:58,285 --> 00:18:59,551 it is to be on the show? 404 00:18:59,552 --> 00:19:03,021 Mm, I think what Agent Mackey is trying to say is 405 00:19:03,022 --> 00:19:05,257 how much she enjoys working with the Australian law enforcement. 406 00:19:05,258 --> 00:19:07,159 I'm so glad to hear that. 407 00:19:07,160 --> 00:19:10,195 Can I start with a question for you, Agent Mackey? 408 00:19:10,196 --> 00:19:11,262 Shoot. 409 00:19:11,263 --> 00:19:12,598 Let's talk about Nate Holbrook 410 00:19:12,599 --> 00:19:14,634 and the multiple homicide charges 411 00:19:14,634 --> 00:19:15,968 that have been leveled against him. 412 00:19:15,969 --> 00:19:17,636 As you know, Lucinda, 413 00:19:17,637 --> 00:19:20,172 the public prosecutor declined to take the case 414 00:19:20,173 --> 00:19:22,008 and dropped all charges. 415 00:19:22,009 --> 00:19:24,477 That's technically true, but they had to 416 00:19:24,478 --> 00:19:26,311 because Nate skipped the country. 417 00:19:26,313 --> 00:19:29,280 According to the affidavit, he had a health emergency. 418 00:19:29,281 --> 00:19:31,617 Nate needed treatment back in the States. 419 00:19:31,618 --> 00:19:33,653 A health emergency that kicked in a day before 420 00:19:33,653 --> 00:19:36,022 the case was supposed to go to a committal hearing? 421 00:19:38,526 --> 00:19:40,358 Uh, bad timing, for sure. 422 00:19:40,359 --> 00:19:41,961 Police files and evidence boxes 423 00:19:41,961 --> 00:19:45,197 from the original case that JD requested, with more to come. 424 00:19:45,198 --> 00:19:47,032 Is there anything from your listeners? 425 00:19:47,034 --> 00:19:48,734 Nothing yet, but that happens. 426 00:19:48,736 --> 00:19:50,001 No one wants to go first. 427 00:19:50,002 --> 00:19:52,203 Just takes one person to get the ball rolling. 428 00:19:52,204 --> 00:19:55,674 All right, come on, folks. We need your help. 429 00:19:55,675 --> 00:19:57,876 Doesn't matter how irrelevant you think it might be. 430 00:19:57,877 --> 00:19:59,111 Any piece of information 431 00:19:59,112 --> 00:20:01,380 could be the lead that helps break our case. 432 00:20:01,381 --> 00:20:02,848 Wow. 433 00:20:02,849 --> 00:20:05,017 They are dying out there. 434 00:20:05,018 --> 00:20:08,054 You should help them out. Throw 'em a bone. 435 00:20:08,055 --> 00:20:10,388 God, no. This is amazing. 436 00:20:10,390 --> 00:20:12,424 Shove over. 437 00:20:15,863 --> 00:20:18,230 Really? That's your bone? 438 00:20:19,231 --> 00:20:22,535 Okay, we do have one question from Nicky Rimz. 439 00:20:22,536 --> 00:20:24,369 Have you ever used your handcuffs 440 00:20:24,371 --> 00:20:27,339 or any other form of restraints on each other? 441 00:20:30,743 --> 00:20:33,712 Oh, man, damn! Is that the best you got? 442 00:20:33,713 --> 00:20:36,248 I'm just trying to get the conversation started. 443 00:20:36,249 --> 00:20:39,384 That is a negative, Nicky. 444 00:20:39,385 --> 00:20:43,255 Okay. Uh, and another one from Hugh Jarse. 445 00:20:45,491 --> 00:20:47,058 Do you practice patting each other down? 446 00:20:47,059 --> 00:20:49,662 All right, okay, folks. Let's stay on track. 447 00:20:49,663 --> 00:20:51,763 We need your help to catch a killer. 448 00:20:51,765 --> 00:20:53,900 Out of all the people you've traded words with 449 00:20:53,901 --> 00:20:55,233 in the podcast chat room, 450 00:20:55,234 --> 00:20:57,435 who would be your go-to person of interest 451 00:20:57,436 --> 00:20:58,671 you'd want to speak to? 452 00:20:58,672 --> 00:21:01,373 We do have one name being offered up 453 00:21:01,374 --> 00:21:03,609 by some of the listeners. 454 00:21:03,611 --> 00:21:06,311 Freddy Rasmussen. Does that mean anything to you? 455 00:21:06,313 --> 00:21:08,247 Not yet. 456 00:21:08,248 --> 00:21:10,017 Pulling up his chat log now. 457 00:21:11,417 --> 00:21:12,550 Whoa. 458 00:21:12,551 --> 00:21:13,885 "Only justice for Zoe 459 00:21:13,886 --> 00:21:17,624 "comes in the form of 180-grain full metal jacket." 460 00:21:17,625 --> 00:21:18,790 Gun club records show 461 00:21:18,791 --> 00:21:21,461 that Rasmussen owns a Winchester .308. 462 00:21:33,006 --> 00:21:34,641 Freddy Rasmussen. 463 00:21:34,642 --> 00:21:35,942 Sergeant Dempsey, AFP. 464 00:21:35,942 --> 00:21:38,076 I'd like to ask you a few questions. 465 00:21:38,077 --> 00:21:40,980 Special Agent Mackey, NCIS. 466 00:21:40,980 --> 00:21:43,883 We've already met, haven't we, Freddy? 467 00:21:43,884 --> 00:21:45,284 In Chinatown. 468 00:21:45,285 --> 00:21:46,653 You got a warrant? 469 00:21:46,653 --> 00:21:48,622 Are we gonna need one? 470 00:21:52,459 --> 00:21:53,826 Where were you yesterday 471 00:21:53,826 --> 00:21:55,126 between 8:00 and 10:00pm? 472 00:21:55,127 --> 00:21:56,162 I was out. 473 00:21:56,163 --> 00:21:58,430 Out where? Doing what? 474 00:21:58,431 --> 00:22:00,465 Keeping vigil for Zoe. 475 00:22:00,467 --> 00:22:03,903 "Keeping vigil"? What does that mean? 476 00:22:03,903 --> 00:22:05,503 I stood outside a hotel 477 00:22:05,505 --> 00:22:07,807 waiting for that coward Nate Holbrook to show. 478 00:22:07,807 --> 00:22:10,009 I wanted to give him a piece of my mind. 479 00:22:10,009 --> 00:22:11,477 And did you? 480 00:22:11,478 --> 00:22:14,346 Holbrook saw me, ran out the back way. 481 00:22:14,346 --> 00:22:16,315 Old habits die hard. 482 00:22:16,316 --> 00:22:17,983 You own a Winchester .308? 483 00:22:17,984 --> 00:22:19,617 You know I do. It's why you're here. 484 00:22:19,618 --> 00:22:22,121 - Where do you keep it? - The gun club, usually. 485 00:22:22,122 --> 00:22:23,890 Usually? 486 00:22:23,891 --> 00:22:25,057 It's in my car. 487 00:22:25,057 --> 00:22:27,126 Going away for the weekend. 488 00:22:49,348 --> 00:22:51,084 Fired it recently? 489 00:22:52,019 --> 00:22:53,854 Not that I can recall. 490 00:22:58,657 --> 00:23:01,693 Rasmussen's wife, Helen, was murdered three years ago. 491 00:23:01,694 --> 00:23:03,796 That's what the shrine in his house was about. 492 00:23:03,797 --> 00:23:06,999 Killer took his own life before the case could go to trial. 493 00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:09,435 So he never got justice for his wife's murder? 494 00:23:10,336 --> 00:23:11,872 Maybe he can for Zoe? 495 00:23:15,208 --> 00:23:17,076 Sorry about your wife, mate. 496 00:23:18,111 --> 00:23:19,546 Helen, isn't it? 497 00:23:21,749 --> 00:23:23,383 You got people around you? 498 00:23:25,018 --> 00:23:27,219 I joined the Victims of Crime support group. 499 00:23:27,220 --> 00:23:28,821 They have regular meet-ups. 500 00:23:29,856 --> 00:23:30,890 Does it help? 501 00:23:34,527 --> 00:23:36,494 A guy there suggested I find a hobby. 502 00:23:36,496 --> 00:23:38,530 It's how I came to target shooting. 503 00:23:39,531 --> 00:23:41,233 Helped fill the days. 504 00:23:42,001 --> 00:23:46,105 It's the nights that are, uh, the hardest, though, right? 505 00:23:47,140 --> 00:23:48,473 The midnight to dawn. 506 00:23:48,474 --> 00:23:51,310 Everyone wants you to leave the past in the past. 507 00:23:52,412 --> 00:23:53,813 How are you supposed to do that 508 00:23:53,814 --> 00:23:55,748 when you lose the reason you have for living? 509 00:23:55,749 --> 00:23:58,217 Did you kill Nate Holbrook? 510 00:23:58,218 --> 00:23:59,385 Yep. 511 00:24:03,089 --> 00:24:04,589 Every night in my head. 512 00:24:04,590 --> 00:24:06,925 How about last night in Chinatown? 513 00:24:11,498 --> 00:24:14,567 I haven't got it in me to take someone's life. 514 00:24:16,469 --> 00:24:17,871 Really? 515 00:24:19,739 --> 00:24:21,606 "Only justice for Zoe 516 00:24:21,607 --> 00:24:25,144 "comes in the form of a 180-grain full metal jacket." 517 00:24:25,144 --> 00:24:26,511 Meant to mean something? 518 00:24:26,512 --> 00:24:29,916 Well, you tell me. I'm quoting you. 519 00:24:34,653 --> 00:24:37,824 Yeah, sometimes I... I lose myself in those chat rooms. 520 00:24:37,825 --> 00:24:41,060 Stuff comes bubbling up. I didn't mean anything by it. 521 00:24:44,463 --> 00:24:46,833 "You know it's gonna make it that much better 522 00:24:46,834 --> 00:24:50,201 "when we can say goodnight and stay together." 523 00:24:50,202 --> 00:24:52,805 Seriously? I mean, who writes this stuff? 524 00:24:52,806 --> 00:24:55,173 - It's poetry. It's beautiful. - It's Beach Boys. 525 00:24:55,174 --> 00:24:57,576 Yeah, I guess Zoe loved the classics. 526 00:25:00,012 --> 00:25:01,347 Wait. 527 00:25:03,715 --> 00:25:05,984 I thought you said black opal is rare. 528 00:25:05,986 --> 00:25:07,318 It is. 529 00:25:07,319 --> 00:25:08,554 What do you got, D? 530 00:25:08,555 --> 00:25:10,422 It looks like the same type of black opal 531 00:25:10,423 --> 00:25:12,191 links both crime scenes, boss. 532 00:25:12,192 --> 00:25:14,192 So is there a chance that whoever killed Nate 533 00:25:14,193 --> 00:25:15,560 was there the day Zoe died? 534 00:25:15,561 --> 00:25:18,797 If so, Nate's not the murderer. 535 00:25:18,798 --> 00:25:21,601 He's just another innocent victim. 536 00:25:22,434 --> 00:25:25,237 It all goes back to the Thanksgiving lunch. 537 00:25:50,931 --> 00:25:53,065 I want everything as it was back in the day. 538 00:25:53,066 --> 00:25:55,067 Use your crime scene photos as your guide. 539 00:25:55,067 --> 00:25:57,036 You seriously think here's where we get answers? 540 00:25:57,037 --> 00:25:59,337 That, or dysentery. 541 00:26:21,127 --> 00:26:23,261 All right now, big one. Big smiles. 542 00:26:23,262 --> 00:26:25,364 - Happy Thanksgiving. - Happy Thanksgiving! 543 00:26:48,755 --> 00:26:51,490 That's great, yeah! 544 00:26:51,490 --> 00:26:53,892 Oh, sweet! 545 00:27:53,486 --> 00:27:56,454 Wow. Who needs roadside service, eh? 546 00:27:56,455 --> 00:27:58,656 Just testing out Nate's alibi. 547 00:27:58,657 --> 00:28:01,660 Turns out it is possible to change a tire without a jack 548 00:28:01,661 --> 00:28:04,596 and only a tire iron and chainsaw for company. 549 00:28:04,596 --> 00:28:06,298 Huh. 550 00:28:06,298 --> 00:28:07,532 So what's the beer for, then? 551 00:28:07,534 --> 00:28:08,900 Well, Nate was off buying beers, 552 00:28:08,901 --> 00:28:10,701 so I'm just trying to keep it real. 553 00:28:10,702 --> 00:28:11,803 Oh. 554 00:28:11,804 --> 00:28:13,873 And for knockoff. 555 00:28:15,541 --> 00:28:17,476 Yikes! Your hands. 556 00:28:17,477 --> 00:28:19,911 Ah, it's just brake pad dust from the wheels. 557 00:28:19,912 --> 00:28:22,881 Don't worry, Mum. I'm going to wash my hands... 558 00:28:22,882 --> 00:28:25,683 No, no, no, no. Don't do that. Don't do that, whatever you do. 559 00:28:25,684 --> 00:28:27,619 Not until I am done with you. 560 00:28:32,525 --> 00:28:34,559 So the father was shot here, right? 561 00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:35,693 Mm-hm. 562 00:28:35,694 --> 00:28:37,229 Where does that put the shooter? 563 00:28:37,230 --> 00:28:39,298 Well, here, I guess. 564 00:28:39,298 --> 00:28:42,601 Oh, well, that's what the police report suggests. 565 00:28:42,602 --> 00:28:44,836 But as per the coroner's report, 566 00:28:44,836 --> 00:28:46,538 which came out afterwards, 567 00:28:46,538 --> 00:28:48,906 the blast struck Brandon's carotid artery, 568 00:28:48,907 --> 00:28:51,477 meaning a lot of blood would have sprayed forward. 569 00:28:51,478 --> 00:28:55,747 So if Nate was the shooter, blood would have sprayed on him. 570 00:28:55,748 --> 00:28:57,348 Leaving a blood silhouette behind him. 571 00:28:57,349 --> 00:28:59,050 But there isn't one on that photo 572 00:28:59,051 --> 00:29:01,988 because Nate didn't kill Brandon. 573 00:29:05,023 --> 00:29:05,990 Okay, so who did? 574 00:29:05,991 --> 00:29:08,026 Well, based on what we're seeing here, 575 00:29:08,027 --> 00:29:09,661 I'd say 576 00:29:09,662 --> 00:29:11,597 Brandon killed Brandon. 577 00:29:12,531 --> 00:29:14,299 - What, murder-suicide? Why? - Hm. 578 00:29:14,300 --> 00:29:16,067 'Cause Zoe wasn't the one having the affair. 579 00:29:16,068 --> 00:29:18,670 I went back and managed to access her public playlist. 580 00:29:18,671 --> 00:29:21,207 Travis Scott, Nicki Minaj, J. Cole. 581 00:29:21,208 --> 00:29:22,941 She had a poster of Hilltop Hoods on her wall. 582 00:29:22,942 --> 00:29:25,876 But the love letters are full of Beach Boys lyrics. Old school. 583 00:29:25,877 --> 00:29:28,247 See, that ain't the way to a hip-hop girl's heart. 584 00:29:28,248 --> 00:29:29,914 Hm. These weren't Zoe's. 585 00:29:29,915 --> 00:29:31,250 We think they were her mum's. 586 00:29:31,250 --> 00:29:33,952 You're telling me Jacquie was having the affair? 587 00:29:35,922 --> 00:29:37,288 How did the cops miss this? 588 00:29:37,289 --> 00:29:38,789 Well, you think about it. 589 00:29:38,790 --> 00:29:39,958 You come through the door, 590 00:29:39,959 --> 00:29:42,127 you find Nate holding the murder weapon 591 00:29:42,128 --> 00:29:45,096 covered in the victim's blood, gunpowder residue all over him. 592 00:29:45,097 --> 00:29:46,632 With a "cat ate my homework" alibi. 593 00:29:46,633 --> 00:29:49,268 Someone didn't do the work. Went for the low-hanging fruit. 594 00:29:49,269 --> 00:29:50,769 Jumped to the conclusion that if it flaps 595 00:29:50,769 --> 00:29:52,104 like a duck and quacks like a duck... 596 00:29:52,105 --> 00:29:53,271 The wrong person goes to prison. 597 00:29:53,272 --> 00:29:55,641 And years later, has podcasts made about them. 598 00:29:55,642 --> 00:29:57,242 Pff! 599 00:29:57,243 --> 00:29:59,244 Okay, great job, team. 600 00:29:59,246 --> 00:30:01,346 Let's not slap ourselves on the back too hard yet. 601 00:30:01,347 --> 00:30:03,080 We may have solved the cold case, 602 00:30:03,082 --> 00:30:06,685 but we aren't any closer to working out who killed Nate. 603 00:30:14,193 --> 00:30:15,794 Come on, kiddo, don't do this. 604 00:30:15,795 --> 00:30:17,095 We just solved the cold case. 605 00:30:17,096 --> 00:30:18,663 - DNA doesn't lie. - Exactly. 606 00:30:18,664 --> 00:30:20,266 So Dad killed his wife and daughter 607 00:30:20,267 --> 00:30:21,767 and then turned the gun on himself. 608 00:30:21,768 --> 00:30:22,768 I mean, it totally tracks. 609 00:30:22,769 --> 00:30:24,836 Except in this case, he couldn't have. 610 00:30:24,836 --> 00:30:25,936 Why not, exactly? 611 00:30:25,938 --> 00:30:27,138 Because I ran DNA analysis 612 00:30:27,140 --> 00:30:28,307 on the historic victims 613 00:30:28,307 --> 00:30:29,275 and it turns out 614 00:30:29,276 --> 00:30:31,743 that Brandon and Zoe's DNA don't match. 615 00:30:33,746 --> 00:30:34,645 What... 616 00:30:34,646 --> 00:30:35,846 Call me old-fashioned, 617 00:30:35,847 --> 00:30:37,482 but shouldn't a father and daughter's DNA match 618 00:30:37,483 --> 00:30:38,784 on some level? 619 00:30:38,785 --> 00:30:41,920 Yes, absolutely, if they are in fact father and daughter. 620 00:30:41,921 --> 00:30:45,356 Wait, Brandon wasn't Zoe's biological dad? 621 00:30:45,357 --> 00:30:47,593 Nope, not according to the laws of science. 622 00:30:47,594 --> 00:30:49,595 So who is Zoe's biological father? 623 00:30:49,596 --> 00:30:51,363 That is what I've been trying to tell you. 624 00:30:51,364 --> 00:30:55,267 So Zoe's DNA is a match for the DNA on the coffee cup 625 00:30:55,268 --> 00:30:58,002 and the cigarette butts found at the scene of Nate's shooting. 626 00:30:58,003 --> 00:31:00,070 - Where we found the opal? - Yes. 627 00:31:00,071 --> 00:31:03,141 - So whoever shot Nate... - is Zoe's biological father. 628 00:31:06,445 --> 00:31:08,315 What are we missing? 629 00:31:09,182 --> 00:31:10,316 Thanksgiving dinner. 630 00:31:10,317 --> 00:31:11,782 Everyone's a few drinks in. 631 00:31:11,784 --> 00:31:15,153 Brandon somehow stumbles onto Jacquie's love letters... 632 00:31:15,153 --> 00:31:16,922 Proving his wife had had an affair. 633 00:31:16,923 --> 00:31:18,557 Confirming his suspicions 634 00:31:18,557 --> 00:31:21,626 that the daughter he'd raised as his own wasn't actually his. 635 00:31:21,627 --> 00:31:23,494 So he snaps hard. 636 00:31:23,496 --> 00:31:24,962 He shoots Zoe in front of Mum, 637 00:31:24,963 --> 00:31:29,000 placing the love letters over Zoe's body to humiliate Jacquie, 638 00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:31,001 just like she humiliated him. 639 00:31:31,002 --> 00:31:32,304 The love letters I get, 640 00:31:32,305 --> 00:31:34,839 but why place Mom's opal necklace over Zoe? 641 00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:37,209 And why are there black opals at both of the crime scenes? 642 00:31:37,210 --> 00:31:40,346 Yo, got confirmation from Customs and Immigration 643 00:31:40,346 --> 00:31:42,513 regarding Nate's exit from the country after the murders. 644 00:31:42,515 --> 00:31:43,682 - And? - And he didn't hop 645 00:31:43,682 --> 00:31:45,317 a commercial flight back to L.A. 646 00:31:45,317 --> 00:31:46,652 How'd he get back, then? 647 00:31:46,653 --> 00:31:47,685 Turns out his brother, Tyler, 648 00:31:47,686 --> 00:31:49,555 was in the Navy back in the day too. 649 00:31:49,556 --> 00:31:50,855 And that's important because... 650 00:31:50,856 --> 00:31:51,856 Because his brother 651 00:31:51,857 --> 00:31:53,759 was in Navy transport logistics. 652 00:31:56,563 --> 00:31:59,096 Yeah, I admit it. I called in some favors. 653 00:31:59,097 --> 00:32:00,999 So your brother wouldn't face charges? 654 00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:02,334 Charges he was innocent of. 655 00:32:02,335 --> 00:32:05,436 - And you knew that how? - Because he's my little brother. 656 00:32:05,438 --> 00:32:07,204 And I asked him straight up, 657 00:32:07,205 --> 00:32:08,940 I told him I'd stand by him either way, 658 00:32:08,941 --> 00:32:10,541 but if I found out down the track 659 00:32:10,542 --> 00:32:12,578 he was lying to me, then I'd kick his ass. 660 00:32:17,115 --> 00:32:19,750 I've been looking after Nate since he was in diapers, right? 661 00:32:19,751 --> 00:32:22,454 You think I don't know when my baby brother's lying to me? 662 00:32:24,523 --> 00:32:26,625 I made a promise to my dad on his deathbed 663 00:32:26,625 --> 00:32:28,426 I would look after Nate, all right? 664 00:32:28,428 --> 00:32:29,596 So that's what I did. 665 00:32:30,396 --> 00:32:32,931 And you figured that meant getting him out of Australia 666 00:32:32,932 --> 00:32:34,666 to avoid police charges? 667 00:32:36,935 --> 00:32:39,704 Okay, if I could have my time over, I... I... 668 00:32:39,705 --> 00:32:41,772 ...I would let it go to trial, 669 00:32:41,773 --> 00:32:44,075 and his alibi would have come to light, 670 00:32:44,076 --> 00:32:46,211 there would have been no podcast, 671 00:32:46,211 --> 00:32:50,650 and Nate might still be alive. 672 00:32:52,751 --> 00:32:54,219 But... 673 00:33:00,159 --> 00:33:02,059 So looking into Zoe's biological dad means 674 00:33:02,060 --> 00:33:03,828 I gotta go back 26 years, 675 00:33:03,829 --> 00:33:06,163 figure out what Mum was doing way back when. 676 00:33:06,164 --> 00:33:09,435 Turns out she was a regional flight attendant. 677 00:33:11,570 --> 00:33:12,903 And one of her regular routes 678 00:33:12,904 --> 00:33:14,071 was to Lightning Ridge, 679 00:33:14,073 --> 00:33:16,607 which happens to be Australia's opal capital, 680 00:33:16,608 --> 00:33:18,276 famous for black opal. 681 00:33:18,277 --> 00:33:20,278 And who said you don't do the daily groundwork? 682 00:33:20,278 --> 00:33:23,982 You, mostly, while I'm making you look good. 683 00:33:24,817 --> 00:33:26,352 What have you got? 684 00:33:26,353 --> 00:33:28,019 Passenger manifests from every one 685 00:33:28,019 --> 00:33:29,788 of Jacquie's flights back in the day. 686 00:33:29,788 --> 00:33:31,589 I'm trying to work out which were opal miners 687 00:33:31,590 --> 00:33:35,161 and linking them to any big finds of black opal. 688 00:33:35,994 --> 00:33:37,328 If Jacquie had an affair, 689 00:33:37,329 --> 00:33:39,664 it was likely with one of those miners. 690 00:33:39,665 --> 00:33:43,101 Sure. Or... 691 00:33:43,102 --> 00:33:45,605 ...we could just ask the jeweler who set both opals. 692 00:33:48,941 --> 00:33:52,344 I remember this stone. One of two for the same client. 693 00:33:52,345 --> 00:33:53,345 Two stones? 694 00:33:53,346 --> 00:33:55,681 The first one, 20-some years ago, 695 00:33:55,682 --> 00:33:57,583 the second one, maybe five years back. 696 00:33:57,584 --> 00:33:59,951 Mm. You still got the client's details? 697 00:33:59,951 --> 00:34:01,520 Oh, I should do. 698 00:34:02,821 --> 00:34:05,656 So let's assume the first opal is a gift for Jacquie. 699 00:34:05,657 --> 00:34:07,358 And the second one's for Zoe. 700 00:34:07,359 --> 00:34:09,860 Maybe. But why the delay? 701 00:34:09,862 --> 00:34:11,028 Dunno. 702 00:34:11,030 --> 00:34:12,898 Maybe he just found out he was a dad. 703 00:34:12,898 --> 00:34:15,568 Got the second opal set for the daughter he didn't know he had. 704 00:34:16,369 --> 00:34:18,771 I found the original invoices. 705 00:34:25,677 --> 00:34:29,516 Damn. Didn't see that coming. 706 00:34:31,884 --> 00:34:33,018 What have you got, Blue? 707 00:34:33,018 --> 00:34:36,121 - Worms? - Nope, better. Excitement. 708 00:34:36,121 --> 00:34:38,188 Ballistics came through the lab on Rasmussen's rifle 709 00:34:38,190 --> 00:34:39,289 with a positive match. 710 00:34:39,291 --> 00:34:40,492 We certain about that? 711 00:34:40,492 --> 00:34:41,693 According to Team Bang-Bang, 712 00:34:41,693 --> 00:34:43,994 the firing pin indent and extractor claw marks 713 00:34:43,996 --> 00:34:45,195 match his rifle. 714 00:34:50,869 --> 00:34:52,670 People come up to me all the time. 715 00:34:52,672 --> 00:34:56,809 They talk to me about needing to move on after Helen. 716 00:34:58,244 --> 00:35:00,411 "It's been years, mate," they say. 717 00:35:00,413 --> 00:35:02,648 "Time to let her go." 718 00:35:03,416 --> 00:35:05,784 Bit rich if you've never been there. 719 00:35:05,784 --> 00:35:08,487 Hear, hear. 720 00:35:09,255 --> 00:35:10,822 Uh, let's take a five-minute break. 721 00:35:14,092 --> 00:35:15,126 What are you doing here? 722 00:35:15,126 --> 00:35:17,695 We ran a ballistics check on your gun. 723 00:35:17,697 --> 00:35:19,530 Came back positive for the weapon used 724 00:35:19,532 --> 00:35:21,099 to kill Nate Holbrook. 725 00:35:21,099 --> 00:35:23,001 I don't understand. 726 00:35:23,001 --> 00:35:24,235 Yeah, we know. 727 00:35:24,235 --> 00:35:27,472 Hey, mate. White with two, just how you like it. 728 00:35:27,474 --> 00:35:30,275 Hi. I'm Luka. Welcome to the group. 729 00:35:30,275 --> 00:35:31,710 Jim Dempsey, AFP. 730 00:35:31,710 --> 00:35:33,878 Special Agent Michelle Mackey, NCIS. 731 00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:35,547 We were just talking to your friend Freddy 732 00:35:35,547 --> 00:35:36,715 about the murder of Nate Holbrook. 733 00:35:36,715 --> 00:35:37,916 Yeah, his rifle's a ballistics match 734 00:35:37,916 --> 00:35:39,617 to the gun the killer used. 735 00:35:39,619 --> 00:35:41,954 We're gonna need to take Freddy down to the station with us. 736 00:35:43,922 --> 00:35:45,724 Unless, of course, there's something else 737 00:35:45,724 --> 00:35:47,460 you want to tell us, Luka. 738 00:35:50,463 --> 00:35:53,264 Sorry, Freddy, this wasn't supposed to come back to you. 739 00:35:55,434 --> 00:35:56,902 I don't understand. 740 00:35:56,902 --> 00:35:59,605 I used my master key to access your rifle 741 00:35:59,606 --> 00:36:01,072 in the lock-up at the club. 742 00:36:03,943 --> 00:36:05,311 Wait. 743 00:36:06,512 --> 00:36:08,112 You shot Nate Holbrook? 744 00:36:08,114 --> 00:36:09,648 He killed my kid. 745 00:36:10,782 --> 00:36:12,418 What was I gonna do? 746 00:36:20,458 --> 00:36:21,628 Freddy! 747 00:36:26,833 --> 00:36:29,034 Talk to me about the opal necklace. 748 00:36:29,034 --> 00:36:31,335 It was from the same seam of black opal 749 00:36:31,336 --> 00:36:34,940 that I discovered on the day I met Jacquie. 750 00:36:34,940 --> 00:36:36,641 Why leave it at the crime scene? 751 00:36:36,643 --> 00:36:38,309 What's the significance for Zoe? 752 00:36:38,309 --> 00:36:40,978 I couldn't have a relationship with her mum, 753 00:36:40,980 --> 00:36:42,380 so I thought... 754 00:36:43,983 --> 00:36:46,251 ...maybe I could connect with her. 755 00:36:48,019 --> 00:36:51,923 We arranged to meet face-to-face at the botanic gardens. 756 00:36:54,059 --> 00:36:55,894 She never showed. 757 00:36:58,097 --> 00:37:00,532 Her Navy boyfriend made sure of that. 758 00:37:00,532 --> 00:37:02,568 Nate didn't kill Zoe. 759 00:37:05,371 --> 00:37:07,806 What are you... What are you talking about? 760 00:37:10,409 --> 00:37:11,677 Course he did. 761 00:37:11,677 --> 00:37:13,043 There was... 762 00:37:13,045 --> 00:37:14,144 ...evidence. 763 00:37:14,146 --> 00:37:16,447 It was an open-and-shut case. It... 764 00:37:17,817 --> 00:37:20,585 There was no one else in the house that day. 765 00:37:20,586 --> 00:37:22,052 The cops were all over it. 766 00:37:22,054 --> 00:37:25,891 The police made some critical errors in their investigation. 767 00:37:25,891 --> 00:37:27,693 It was a murder-suicide. 768 00:37:27,693 --> 00:37:29,427 Brandon killed Zoe. 769 00:37:29,427 --> 00:37:31,396 Then he killed Jacquie, and then... 770 00:37:32,731 --> 00:37:34,132 ...himself. 771 00:37:35,467 --> 00:37:36,802 Over these. 772 00:37:41,574 --> 00:37:44,074 Your love letters to Jacquie. 773 00:37:44,076 --> 00:37:45,844 You quote the Beach Boys. 774 00:37:45,844 --> 00:37:47,913 That's how we knew they weren't for Zoe. 775 00:37:47,914 --> 00:37:49,615 The Beach Boys. 776 00:37:52,117 --> 00:37:55,887 That's what was playing on the night we first met. 777 00:37:58,990 --> 00:38:03,494 She was standing there in her hostess uniform, by the jukebox. 778 00:38:06,097 --> 00:38:07,800 I asked her to dance. 779 00:38:08,635 --> 00:38:12,739 I'd just discovered the mother lode of black opal. 780 00:38:14,373 --> 00:38:16,507 A seam as long as my arm. 781 00:38:19,577 --> 00:38:22,614 I was 24 and rich beyond my wildest dreams. 782 00:38:24,751 --> 00:38:26,619 Suddenly, I couldn't care less. 783 00:38:28,954 --> 00:38:30,255 I didn't know it at the time, 784 00:38:30,255 --> 00:38:33,358 but that was the night we made Zoe. 785 00:38:44,971 --> 00:38:46,871 What have I done? 786 00:38:52,143 --> 00:38:55,012 We've actually decided to get him cremated here. 787 00:38:55,014 --> 00:38:57,916 Nate always loved the Australian bush. 788 00:38:58,985 --> 00:39:01,952 Well, there's no shortage of that around here. I mean... 789 00:39:01,954 --> 00:39:04,355 Blue Mountains would be my pick. 790 00:39:04,356 --> 00:39:06,490 Megalong Valley, something like that. 791 00:39:06,492 --> 00:39:08,458 - Mega-long? - Ha. 792 00:39:08,460 --> 00:39:10,128 Okay, I'll bear that in mind. 793 00:39:10,128 --> 00:39:12,898 There's a lookout where you get to watch the sun go down 794 00:39:12,898 --> 00:39:14,164 over two valleys. 795 00:39:15,233 --> 00:39:17,836 It makes you feel small, but in a good way. 796 00:39:20,706 --> 00:39:24,744 Don't suppose you'd... want to come along? 797 00:39:26,378 --> 00:39:29,514 Well, the place I'm talking about 798 00:39:29,514 --> 00:39:30,916 can be tricky to find, 799 00:39:30,916 --> 00:39:33,085 and I wouldn't want you getting lost out there. 800 00:39:39,958 --> 00:39:41,126 Tire iron. 801 00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:44,561 Similar to the one Nate used to change a flat tire. 802 00:39:44,563 --> 00:39:47,331 You're not still going on about the missing jack, are you? 803 00:39:47,333 --> 00:39:49,000 There was no one there to corroborate it. 804 00:39:49,001 --> 00:39:51,168 I deal in facts, Agent Mackey. 805 00:39:51,170 --> 00:39:53,771 Fact, he had the victim's blood on his clothes. 806 00:39:53,773 --> 00:39:55,472 Fact, fingerprints on the murder weapon. 807 00:39:55,474 --> 00:39:58,143 Fact, gunshot residue all over his hands. 808 00:39:58,143 --> 00:40:01,713 And all over yours right now. 809 00:40:03,048 --> 00:40:05,516 All that black powder on the tire rim, 810 00:40:05,516 --> 00:40:07,018 that's brake pad dust. 811 00:40:07,018 --> 00:40:10,021 When Nate changed the tire, he got it all over him. 812 00:40:10,021 --> 00:40:11,856 No, the police analyzed it. It was... 813 00:40:11,858 --> 00:40:17,228 Barium, the main ingredient in gunpowder and brake pad dust. 814 00:40:18,030 --> 00:40:19,664 Well, the police should have picked that up. 815 00:40:19,664 --> 00:40:21,365 Maybe you should have too. 816 00:40:21,367 --> 00:40:22,833 Might be an episode in that. 817 00:40:22,835 --> 00:40:24,737 Yeah. 818 00:40:31,744 --> 00:40:33,210 Hoo-hoo-hoo! 819 00:40:36,916 --> 00:40:38,682 Bull's-eye! 820 00:40:38,684 --> 00:40:41,652 Oh, bull's-eye, my arse! 821 00:40:42,420 --> 00:40:44,389 Off like old salami, mate. 822 00:40:44,389 --> 00:40:47,025 Fine. Show me what you got, girl. 823 00:40:47,025 --> 00:40:49,494 Oh, okay. 824 00:40:54,432 --> 00:40:57,402 Is there a cross-draft in here? You feel that? 825 00:40:57,402 --> 00:40:59,003 Uh-huh. 826 00:40:59,005 --> 00:41:01,306 Come on, guys, wrap it up. We're closed. 827 00:41:01,306 --> 00:41:03,775 We just need a couple more minutes to finish this off. 828 00:41:03,775 --> 00:41:04,809 Thank you. 829 00:41:06,577 --> 00:41:11,215 Next closest to the center is the champion of the world. 830 00:41:11,217 --> 00:41:12,751 You're on.