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- Thrilling.
- Substantial.

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- Surprising.
- Rewarding.

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- Original.
- Fun.

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- Fortunate.
- Amazing.

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- Fantastical.
- F-U-N, fun.

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- Unexpected.
- Unique.

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- Um, bonkers.
- Titillating.

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- Wow.
- Joyful.

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- Deadly.
- Terror.

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As an artist, as a creative
person, a filmmaker,

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I'm interested
in this intersection

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between horror and humor,
and I think Chucky

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has turned out to be
an ideal mouthpiece for that.

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Chucky is a monster.

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All horror is based
on being preyed upon

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by something with which
you cannot negotiate.

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Chucky had to be
that first and foremost.

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You're dealing with
really high stakes.

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You're dealing
with life and death,

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and people are being killed,

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and this doll
is causing all this terror.

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The idea of an animated doll,

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a sentient doll
that can keep you company,

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is a very strong idea.

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I'm sure it goes back through
every culture into the cave.

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And there's something
so delicious

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about the... about the concept
of your plaything coming alive,

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especially if it's
a murderous doll.

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He makes real the fantasy that
we all have when we're children,

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that the things that we play
with will come alive.

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We tapped into
an inherent fear of people

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for a doll coming to life
and trying to kill you.

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In some way
that's very captivating.

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So Chucky is always the bad guy,
but we... we also relate to him.

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And he secretly acting out
our mischievous,

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darkest, mischievous
bad boyness.

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He has that sassy,
you know, fuck you.

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The fact that Chucky is
such a full-fledged personality

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who has a girlfriend
and a child,

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and none of that
domesticates him.

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He still goes on
to wanting to turn people

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into meat, um, is scary.

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The whole idea was to make it
so lovable and so cute

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with the dimples
and all that stuff.

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I'm your friend to the end.

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Hidey, hidey, ho,
ha, ha, ha.

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Hey, wanna play?

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No one would ever think
it would be a horrible thing.

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You know, like I'm just all
Mayberry, but deep down,

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I'm, you know, Dexter.

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No, it's just
a momentary mix up.

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Chucky still scares me,
to be honest.

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You're never going to forget
being scared

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by this innocent little thing.

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People have nightmares
about Chucky.

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You know, we've
all got to see him evolve,

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go through every type
of circumstance and situation

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life can throw at you.

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People around
the world love this,

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this little iconic bastard.

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He is considered
an iconic horror star.

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I wasn't aware of the impact
of the Chucky films

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and the fan base,
but when I started to travel,

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I began to realize that it was
this universal thing.

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There's a lot of doll movies,
a doll monster movies,

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but Chucky is the best one.

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Chucky is the king of them all.

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It's because Chucky is part of
our primal fear of being prey,

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which we all have.

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It's universal.

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My mother always taught me
love would set me free.

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Am I going
to be a killer?

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By the mid 1980s,

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the horror genre had
successfully attacked moviegoers

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with monsters and villains
of every kind.

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Sensing an opportunity
for something different

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to make audiences scream,

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a young writer
crafted a screenplay

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with a slightly different bent,
a fable-like tale

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about a mother, her son,

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and the killer doll
that comes between them.

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It would prove to
a new generation

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that big terror can come
in small packages.

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My original impetus
for this idea,

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it goes back to my childhood.

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My dad worked in advertising,

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so I became very aware
at a very young age

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how cynical
the advertising business is.

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I wanted to write something,
a dark satire about

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how marketing and advertising
affected children.

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- More games, more toys.
- Oh, boy.

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♪ I want to be
a Toys "R" Us kid ♪

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And this was in the '80s
when I was in school at UCLA

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and Cabbage Patch Dolls
were hugely popular.

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But the notion that these dolls,
these goofy dolls,

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would cause literal riots in the
stores when they would sell out.

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A full-grown woman taking a
doll out of a child's hand?

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Being a life-long horror fan,

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I, of course, had seen
Talky Tina and "Magic"

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and "Dead of Night"
and "Trilogy of Terror,"

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and I realized that using
the killer doll trope

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would be a great way into
talking about the dark side

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of marketing to children.

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Don wanted Madison Avenue
to be the bad guy here.

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Madison Avenue
meaning ad agencies.

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When I was a kid,
I remember my sisters had,

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you know, dolls that would pee
or they would cry or whatever.

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And I just thought, well,
for a horror movie,

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what about a doll that bleeds

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and you'd have to go out
and buy buddy Band-Aids?

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It was a dark,
twisted marketing conceit

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to get kids to buy more shit.

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Each sold separately.

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- Each sold separately.
- Each sold separately.

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In my original script,

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the doll didn't come to life
in the same way.

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In my script, the doll was not
possessed by a serial killer.

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The doll was sort of
a manifestation

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of Andy's unconscious,
his ID, his anger,

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and I thought
it was very interesting,

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the notion that the doll, Buddy,
would go

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after the kids
perceived enemies.

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Trying to figure out who's
responsible for these murders,

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never thinking for a moment
that it could even be possible

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that it's a doll,
which is Don's original concept.

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The original title
was "Batteries Not Included,"

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and around that time
it was announced

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that Spielberg's production
of "Batteries Not Included"

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was in the works.

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So we knew we needed
another title.

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I wrote that script, and it
landed on David Kirschner's desk

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in the summer of '85.

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The other projects
that I had worked

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on were completely
child friendly.

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"Rose Petal Place,"
"An American Tail."

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I really wanted to prove
that I could do something scary.

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So my wife and I
were in London

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and I came upon a book
called "The Dollhouse Murders."

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And then I remember seeing
Talking Tina on "Twilight Zone."

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My name is Talky Tina,

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and I think I could
even hate you.

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The idea of a doll coming to
life was something that I...

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- I really wanted to play with.
- You know, I think my agent

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at the time
sent the script out.

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I don't think I ever knew, like,

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who did it go to and who passed
or anything like that.

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And I said, well,
I'd like to read it.

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And there was so much
that was so good.

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David Kirschner
was a great collaborator.

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He was very inventive
and a great storyteller.

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He had experience
in other areas of film,

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but this was a new experience
for him as well.

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I was intrigued,
I thought the writing was great.

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All these studios
had passed on it,

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but back then I think I was
just so naive that I liked it.

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So why wouldn't
other people like it?

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I thought it
was creepy and exciting.

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And David was actually
the first meeting

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I ever had with any Hollywood
connection at all.

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Yeah, I mean, John was
incredibly young.

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Even then, I mean,
he had a vision.

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He was excited that
there was a potential,

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especially after all the studios
passed on it.

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When I first met with Don,
he brought a My Buddy doll

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that was popular in the '80s,

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♪ My buddy, my buddy

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♪ My buddy and me

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He was a cute little fellow.

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And in Don's script,
Don describes Chucky...

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Red hair, blue eyes,
freckles,

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stripy shirt, red shoes.

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All of that was in my script.

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So I took that notion,

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and then I drew the nightmare
version of what he looks like

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when he's not that sweet toy.
=And I think

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that was a crucial step.

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What happened was I did
not go out with Don's script.

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I took 18 pages
that I had written up

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with changes
that I had made

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and my drawings of what
this monster would look like,

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and that's what I used in
in my meetings

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when I went to all these
different studios.

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Paramount,
Warner Brothers, Universal

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and then United Artists.
I think there's a fifth.

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I... I don't remember
if it's Fox or not.

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The head of United Artists,

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a wonderful man
named Tony Thomopoulos,

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came to my office and said,
"Look, I want to give you a home

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where you can not
only be successful,

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but you can also fail.
And we'll do this together."

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But the studio wanted someone
else to come in and write.

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They brought in other people
instantly,

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and I knew enough about
the movie business that, like,

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okay,
this is just the way it goes.

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I remember a meeting
at my house

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and I invited Don to it,
and Tom Holland was there.

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We were sitting around
my my breakfast table

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just discussing all of this
and what it's going to be like.

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I was very excited
to be meeting Tom Holland.

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You know, he was, you know,
someone I admired.

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I loved the script
for "Psycho II."

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I also had loved his movie

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"Cloak and Dagger"
that he wrote.

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And "Fright Night"
I thought was great.

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What happened was I finished
"Fright Night" and I took

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"Blood Buddy," as it was called
at the time,

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and tried to get a script
out of it, and I couldn't do it.

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And that's because I didn't want
to disturb the original script.

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But there was no bad guy.

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And he was just
sort of talking about

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some of the changes
that they were going to make.

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And the first one
was the notion

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that they were
going to make the doll

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possessed by a serial killer.

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You know, I felt that
it was less interesting,

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but I think it was deliberate
and probably correct

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and smart of them
to make it simpler in that way,

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to make Andy the clear hero
and Chucky the clear villain.

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So Tom came in initially

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and he was going to do
a draft of the script,

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but for some reason
he fell out.

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I couldn't build a story
with a rising suspense line,

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which I wanted, so I gave up

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because I was going crazy trying
to get it and couldn't do it.

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And I left and I made...

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And while I was gone,
it went to somebody else.

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They went to John Lafia
to do the rewrite.

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And he hit a home
run with that script.

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I mean, there were notes
that the studio had,

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but they moved forward
immediately.

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I mean,
it was pretty darn quick.

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With the script
in active development,

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the next step
was finding a director,

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someone who not only understood
the horror genre

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but the kind of terror,

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action and drama
the movie could create.

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I met with a lot
of directors, William Friedkin.

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I had so much respect for him.

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Irvin Kershner, who directed
the second "Star Wars,"

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Robert Wise, who directed
"The Sound of Music,"

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which was shocking
that he was even interested.

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- But he really was.
- In this period,

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there were a couple
of other directors

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that Kirschner
was flirting with.

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One of them was Joseph Rubin,

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who had just done
"The Stepfather."

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Another director possibility
was the duo of Rocky Morton

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and Annabel Jankel,
who had done "Max Headroom."

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They offered it to everybody
in town countless times,

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and everybody in town
turned it down countless times.

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And then it came back to Tom,
and Tom came back onto it.

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I saw that
he did "Fright Night"

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and several other films
in the genre,

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and I was impressed
with his work,

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so I felt
pretty confident in him.

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I think I loved
"Fright Night" so much.

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I mean, it really spoke to me

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and it just really felt like
this guy knew how to do horror.

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I was also extremely hot
in Hollywood at that moment.

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"Fright Night" had come out
and it was a solid success.

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They were desperate
for a director.

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They probably would have
taken anybody at that point.

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Tom had a vision
for the film.

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I mean, there was Don's script,
there was John's script,

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and then his rewrite.

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I was talking to Dean Riesner.

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Dean Riesner was
a great Hollywood writer,

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and Dean said something about,
"well, did you ever think

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about doing it from the point
of view of the killer?"

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And then I had more of a story
and it started to come.

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I totally get
why David Kirschner

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and John Lafia and Tom Holland,

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why they would change it
in the way they did.

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And I, you know, can certainly
see the upside.

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I went into "Child's Play,"
which is my title.

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With a director on board,

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it was time to search
for the film's cast.

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In the role of skeptical
detective Mike Norris,

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Tom Holland landed on someone
who understood

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the often surprising worlds
of drama, fantasy and horror.

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As far as the character
of Mike Norris is concerned,

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in a way, he's a prototype.

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I was excited by that casting,

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and I thought he did
a great performance

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and he had
a hard part as well.

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He is the sort of mythical
figure, the doubter,

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the person
who has to be convinced

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of this bizarre reality
that's occurring in this movie.

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I got The Strangler,
Wabash and Van Buren.

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I've worked with Chris
whenever I can

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because he's a brilliant actor

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and he's also
a wonderful human being.

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There was a period where,
you know, it was teetering

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whether I was going
to do it or not.

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I don't remember
the pushback particularly,

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but I know
that Tom and I had did have

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a very specific conversation.

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And I said to him, go with the
guy you feel comfortable with.

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As I understood it,

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the enthusiasm was not
mutual from the studio.

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It was just Tom saying
I want him, them saying,

302
00:16:51,700 --> 00:16:53,609
"Well, what about so and so?
What about so and so?"

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And Tom saying,
"No, it's Chris Sarandon."

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I just remember there being
a great deal of excitement

305
00:16:58,569 --> 00:17:01,192
that we got Chris Sarandon
for this little movie.

306
00:17:01,296 --> 00:17:02,952
Being a huge fan of
"The Princess Bride,"

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I was like a fanboy.

308
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I thought, this movie's
going to be really

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quite an experience,

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just a no brainer in terms
of whether

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this was going to touch
some sort of a nerve or not.

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To play single mother
Karen Barclay, an actress

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was chosen who had already
proven her on screen mettle

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by surviving in the desert,

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making it through
a high school reunion

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and even helping
the Federation.

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I like the script because I
like the role of Karen Barclay.

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I thought she was complicated.

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I knew there was
a lot of drama to play.

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Catherine came in.

321
00:17:33,224 --> 00:17:34,822
I think she'd done that movie
about the whale.

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What's going to happen
when you release the whales?

323
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They're going to have
to take their chances.

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She just seemed like a mom
and she came in with that vibe.

325
00:17:42,923 --> 00:17:45,788
I mean, she clearly had given
this a good deal of thought.

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She rose to the top
because she was attractive,

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and she had
a kind of homespun-Midwest-mom

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quality
that we really liked.

329
00:17:54,935 --> 00:17:59,423
She was likable, seemed like
a kind and decent person.

330
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I think that that warmth that
she naturally has I imagine

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00:18:03,599 --> 00:18:06,775
is what attracted Tom
and David to casting her.

332
00:18:06,878 --> 00:18:10,606
She had a lot to her.
It was a big role, complicated.

333
00:18:10,710 --> 00:18:13,816
There was a lot of backstory,
very great emotional scenes.

334
00:18:13,920 --> 00:18:17,199
I think that she sells
everything in that movie.

335
00:18:17,303 --> 00:18:19,063
There was a lot
to sink my teeth into.

336
00:18:19,167 --> 00:18:20,478
That's why I liked the project.

337
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I knew it would be a challenge,

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so I was pretty happy.

339
00:18:24,344 --> 00:18:26,760
With mother and detective
roles filled,

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00:18:26,864 --> 00:18:30,316
the film faced the challenge
of an arduous audition process

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to find Andy Barclay,

342
00:18:31,938 --> 00:18:36,184
the little boy object of
Chucky's soul swapping desires.

343
00:18:36,287 --> 00:18:38,427
I don't remember
the first Chucky audition,

344
00:18:38,531 --> 00:18:41,292
but I do remember
being flown out to L.A.

345
00:18:41,396 --> 00:18:43,708
to audition against
just a couple kids

346
00:18:43,812 --> 00:18:45,572
that were left in the running
for the part.

347
00:18:45,676 --> 00:18:47,643
There was something,
a sweetness about him,

348
00:18:47,747 --> 00:18:50,439
but there was also something
a little bit depressed.

349
00:18:50,543 --> 00:18:52,407
There was something
a little bit guarded

350
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- or unhappy in him.
- The kids who seemed

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00:18:54,581 --> 00:18:57,446
most natural were
the ones that we picked up on.

352
00:18:57,550 --> 00:18:59,552
Alex pretty much rose
to the top.

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00:18:59,655 --> 00:19:02,210
I thought Alex Vincent
was very, very good.

354
00:19:02,313 --> 00:19:04,798
Alex did not have
that Disney kid kind of vibe

355
00:19:04,902 --> 00:19:08,871
to him of just, you know,
constant smiles and whatever,

356
00:19:08,975 --> 00:19:10,252
and he stood out.

357
00:19:10,356 --> 00:19:12,530
We did the scene
where I say the line...

358
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He said that Maggie was a real
bitch and got what she deserved.

359
00:19:16,879 --> 00:19:21,090
And I didn't want to say
bitch in front of my mother

360
00:19:21,194 --> 00:19:22,575
at five and a half,
six years old.

361
00:19:22,678 --> 00:19:25,336
So when I got to that line,
I froze up

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00:19:25,440 --> 00:19:27,476
and I said
that I don't remember the lines.

363
00:19:27,580 --> 00:19:29,409
There was no artifice
about him.

364
00:19:29,513 --> 00:19:32,585
There was no cuteness about him.
He was real.

365
00:19:32,688 --> 00:19:35,174
More than that,
I think it showed the innocence

366
00:19:35,277 --> 00:19:37,417
that they needed
from Andy in me.

367
00:19:37,521 --> 00:19:39,626
How can you say
something so horrible?

368
00:19:39,730 --> 00:19:42,388
I think that line helped me
get the part at some level.

369
00:19:42,491 --> 00:19:45,874
I thought hands down it was
the kid that I wanted.

370
00:19:45,977 --> 00:19:47,393
With the watchful detective,

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00:19:47,496 --> 00:19:50,844
loving mother and innocent child
ready to play,

372
00:19:50,948 --> 00:19:52,536
it was time to get scary

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with the film's antagonist,
the despicable Charles Lee Ray.

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00:19:57,299 --> 00:19:58,749
Brad came on board
because of Tom.

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00:19:58,852 --> 00:20:01,579
That was Tom's relationship,
Tom's idea,

376
00:20:01,683 --> 00:20:03,478
and it's clearly been
a great idea

377
00:20:03,581 --> 00:20:05,480
since he's the star
of this franchise.

378
00:20:05,583 --> 00:20:09,138
Brad had been the heavy
in "Fatal Beauty" for me,

379
00:20:09,242 --> 00:20:12,211
so I knew what
he was capable of.

380
00:20:12,314 --> 00:20:14,454
Kevlar, bitch!

381
00:20:14,558 --> 00:20:16,387
I read the script and, you know,

382
00:20:16,491 --> 00:20:18,389
I talked with Tom about it.

383
00:20:18,493 --> 00:20:20,219
It was a good script,
and he asked me

384
00:20:20,322 --> 00:20:21,506
if I wanted
to do it, and I said sure.

385
00:20:21,530 --> 00:20:22,911
That's my memory of it.

386
00:20:23,014 --> 00:20:24,706
We didn't really go
through other people.

387
00:20:24,809 --> 00:20:26,708
Pretty much
it was Brad all along.

388
00:20:26,811 --> 00:20:30,159
I also loved Brad Dourif,
and I think he's a good actor.

389
00:20:30,263 --> 00:20:31,540
And I think he enjoyed it.

390
00:20:31,644 --> 00:20:33,335
I did "One Flew Over
the Cuckoo's Nest"

391
00:20:33,439 --> 00:20:34,819
and I played a crazy person,

392
00:20:34,923 --> 00:20:38,616
and that's sort of
the way people saw me.

393
00:20:38,720 --> 00:20:40,584
When Brad is playing
Charles Lee Ray,

394
00:20:40,687 --> 00:20:46,072
he is such the epitome
of an eccentric, bizarre

395
00:20:46,175 --> 00:20:48,626
and also maniacal individual.

396
00:20:48,730 --> 00:20:52,941
He was generally a sleaze
and, you know, a serial killer

397
00:20:53,044 --> 00:20:56,669
who killed women before
he became sort of a general,

398
00:20:56,772 --> 00:21:00,293
you know,
all sex liberal murderer.

399
00:21:00,397 --> 00:21:03,331
And Brad slips
into that quite easily.

400
00:21:03,434 --> 00:21:05,367
He's an extraordinary
human being I think.

401
00:21:05,471 --> 00:21:08,577
A smart, funny
and also highly imaginative.

402
00:21:08,681 --> 00:21:12,029
And it was a blast.
It was really a blast.

403
00:21:13,582 --> 00:21:15,688
Brad's on his own
kind of planet,

404
00:21:15,791 --> 00:21:18,207
which makes him perfect
for the character.

405
00:21:18,311 --> 00:21:20,209
And Chris Sarandon is great.

406
00:21:20,313 --> 00:21:21,763
You know,
he's a wonderful actor.

407
00:21:21,866 --> 00:21:25,214
It's very fortunate
that we had two weeks in Chicago

408
00:21:25,318 --> 00:21:27,286
to rehearse this movie.

409
00:21:27,389 --> 00:21:29,046
You think
you can fuck with me?

410
00:21:29,149 --> 00:21:33,947
When he came out to Chicago
and he and I and Catherine Hicks

411
00:21:34,051 --> 00:21:38,366
acting out parts from the film
where he got down on the ground,

412
00:21:38,469 --> 00:21:39,953
was crawling around
like Chucky.

413
00:21:40,057 --> 00:21:41,438
Andy, stop her.

414
00:21:41,541 --> 00:21:43,854
I'm your friend to the end,
remember?

415
00:21:43,957 --> 00:21:46,374
This is the end, friend.

416
00:21:46,477 --> 00:21:49,031
And I would
just squat down low

417
00:21:49,135 --> 00:21:50,654
so that they would
get used to...

418
00:21:50,757 --> 00:21:52,897
and I played Chucky,
which was actually a lot of fun.

419
00:21:53,001 --> 00:21:56,522
It was like doing a play.
It was drama, drama, drama.

420
00:21:56,625 --> 00:21:59,732
Either it was impactful

421
00:21:59,835 --> 00:22:02,286
and the movie worked,
or it wasn't,

422
00:22:02,390 --> 00:22:03,805
and then the movie
wouldn't work.

423
00:22:03,908 --> 00:22:05,369
Then they would say,
when you get to L.A.

424
00:22:05,393 --> 00:22:06,577
you'll... you'll meet the doll.

425
00:22:06,601 --> 00:22:08,603
And I was like,
oh, that's right.

426
00:22:08,706 --> 00:22:10,743
It's, yeah, it's got...
it's got a doll.

427
00:22:10,846 --> 00:22:12,641
It's a little bit
of a horror film.

428
00:22:12,745 --> 00:22:16,576
Whatever. Let's go back
to working with Brad Dourif.

429
00:22:16,680 --> 00:22:19,579
All I had to do
was be charming.

430
00:22:21,857 --> 00:22:23,411
It's impossible at this point

431
00:22:23,514 --> 00:22:24,584
to imagine anyone

432
00:22:24,688 --> 00:22:26,655
but Brad Dourif voicing Chucky.

433
00:22:26,759 --> 00:22:33,524
There was a phase where Tom
tried using another voice

434
00:22:33,628 --> 00:22:36,493
for the doll,
and it was Jessica Walter.

435
00:22:36,596 --> 00:22:38,564
- That is true.
- I didn't even know that.

436
00:22:38,667 --> 00:22:41,739
The only Chucky voice I ever
worked with was Brad Dourif's.

437
00:22:41,843 --> 00:22:43,810
I had no idea
that Jessica Walter

438
00:22:43,914 --> 00:22:46,468
was initially cast
as Chucky's voice.

439
00:22:46,572 --> 00:22:48,159
Her voice was going
to be separate

440
00:22:48,263 --> 00:22:50,023
than Brad Dourif's voice.

441
00:22:50,127 --> 00:22:53,613
Brad would be the killer,
and she would become the doll.

442
00:22:53,717 --> 00:22:58,653
The logic being that because
a woman, Mercedes McCambridge,

443
00:22:58,756 --> 00:23:01,483
had voiced the devil
in "The Exorcist"...

444
00:23:01,587 --> 00:23:03,278
Now kindly undo
these straps.

445
00:23:03,382 --> 00:23:06,315
I think Tom's logic was he just
thought it might be interesting

446
00:23:06,419 --> 00:23:07,731
to hear a woman do this.

447
00:23:07,834 --> 00:23:10,527
I reached out
to Brad Dourif to voice Chucky,

448
00:23:10,630 --> 00:23:12,218
and Brad was not available.

449
00:23:12,321 --> 00:23:14,496
I tried all these
voiceover artists,

450
00:23:14,600 --> 00:23:16,015
and none of them seemed

451
00:23:16,118 --> 00:23:18,949
to have the bloodthirsty glee
that I wanted.

452
00:23:19,052 --> 00:23:20,847
And then I thought
of Jessica Walter,

453
00:23:20,951 --> 00:23:23,540
who's a brilliant actress
and who scared the shit

454
00:23:23,643 --> 00:23:27,267
out of me
in the Clint Eastwood movie.

455
00:23:28,855 --> 00:23:31,479
So I had her come in
and I had her do Chucky.

456
00:23:31,582 --> 00:23:32,825
And it didn't
really work.

457
00:23:32,928 --> 00:23:35,103
It was just
a little distracting.

458
00:23:35,206 --> 00:23:36,553
You know, it was

459
00:23:36,656 --> 00:23:38,151
probably really funny
and a great deal of fun,

460
00:23:38,175 --> 00:23:39,590
but just wrong.

461
00:23:39,694 --> 00:23:43,111
It just didn't seem to have
enough gravel to it,

462
00:23:43,214 --> 00:23:44,492
for lack of a better word.

463
00:23:44,595 --> 00:23:46,735
I believe a female voice
for Chucky

464
00:23:46,839 --> 00:23:48,841
would have been
very counterproductive.

465
00:23:48,944 --> 00:23:50,877
It's not a girl doll,
it's a boy doll.

466
00:23:50,981 --> 00:23:53,328
I'm a gay guy, so I think
I'm allowed to say it.

467
00:23:53,432 --> 00:23:54,743
Chucky sounded gay.

468
00:23:54,847 --> 00:23:58,437
I tried putting filters
on... on Chucky's voice,

469
00:23:58,540 --> 00:24:01,060
and I was just about
ready to shoot myself.

470
00:24:01,163 --> 00:24:04,339
So thankfully Brad came back
when he was available

471
00:24:04,443 --> 00:24:06,721
and voiced Chucky
and it worked perfectly.

472
00:24:06,824 --> 00:24:08,895
It wasn't that he was
so frightening,

473
00:24:08,999 --> 00:24:12,761
but he also captured the humor,
the glee.

474
00:24:12,865 --> 00:24:15,730
His inflection, the rhythm
of the way he speaks,

475
00:24:15,833 --> 00:24:18,249
Brad Dourif just nails
the voice.

476
00:24:18,353 --> 00:24:20,320
And Chucky became his.

477
00:24:22,184 --> 00:24:25,602
With the human cast locked
down, designing, constructing

478
00:24:25,705 --> 00:24:28,259
and operating
the film's murderous doll

479
00:24:28,363 --> 00:24:29,882
was a major undertaking.

480
00:24:29,985 --> 00:24:32,919
The responsibility fell to an up
and coming monster maker

481
00:24:33,023 --> 00:24:35,853
who had already worked
with two titans of terror.

482
00:24:35,957 --> 00:24:38,062
It would ultimately fall
on his shoulders

483
00:24:38,166 --> 00:24:41,203
to make this movie's
mechanical maniac his third.

484
00:24:41,307 --> 00:24:43,861
Studio said to me,
it's obviously going to have

485
00:24:43,965 --> 00:24:46,864
to be some kind of animatronic
that makes this work,

486
00:24:46,968 --> 00:24:48,625
but they didn't seem
to trip over it.

487
00:24:48,728 --> 00:24:50,316
And I knew that he had
to start out

488
00:24:50,419 --> 00:24:53,043
being cloyingly cute and sweet,

489
00:24:53,146 --> 00:24:55,942
and I need to have him
turn into the devil from hell.

490
00:24:56,046 --> 00:24:57,806
Something out
of your worst nightmare.

491
00:24:57,910 --> 00:25:00,188
Animatronics had progressed
to the point

492
00:25:00,291 --> 00:25:03,709
that the doll could do anything
that I could write.

493
00:25:03,812 --> 00:25:06,056
They could like, articulate
and have emotion.

494
00:25:06,159 --> 00:25:08,921
It was a very, very difficult
to make

495
00:25:09,024 --> 00:25:11,993
because nobody had ever done
a puppet movie

496
00:25:12,096 --> 00:25:15,410
asking that puppet to do
what I was asking him to do.

497
00:25:15,514 --> 00:25:17,067
I had met
with a host of people,

498
00:25:17,170 --> 00:25:20,795
and Kevin, even his studio
was so impressive.

499
00:25:20,898 --> 00:25:23,556
I grew up on watching
all the classic films.

500
00:25:23,660 --> 00:25:25,696
So it was "Frankenstein,"
"The Mummy," you know,

501
00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:27,191
"Creature Lagoon
from the Black Lagoon,"

502
00:25:27,215 --> 00:25:28,468
all those things,
And that's what kind of

503
00:25:28,492 --> 00:25:29,838
got my interest in horror.

504
00:25:29,942 --> 00:25:33,566
And I was just so taken
by him and his passion.

505
00:25:33,670 --> 00:25:35,775
I got a call from the producer,
David Kirschner,

506
00:25:35,879 --> 00:25:39,330
who had been talking to makeup
effects man named Rick Baker,

507
00:25:39,434 --> 00:25:41,332
who I was a huge fan of.

508
00:25:41,436 --> 00:25:42,851
I got to work on "Thriller"

509
00:25:42,955 --> 00:25:44,681
and all that stuff
and got to know Rick.

510
00:25:44,784 --> 00:25:47,580
I had just finished "A Nightmare
on Elm Street 3,"

511
00:25:47,684 --> 00:25:50,203
and I turned on
the big Freddy snake head,

512
00:25:50,307 --> 00:25:52,930
and it was animatronic,
and that impressed him enough.

513
00:25:53,034 --> 00:25:55,105
I went in and when I met
with Kevin,

514
00:25:55,208 --> 00:25:57,832
he felt very strongly
that this could work.

515
00:25:57,935 --> 00:25:59,523
I think he right
then just said,

516
00:25:59,627 --> 00:26:01,007
I really want you
to do this film.

517
00:26:01,111 --> 00:26:02,319
I'm like, yeah.

518
00:26:02,422 --> 00:26:03,734
I was working for
Kevin Yagher,

519
00:26:03,838 --> 00:26:05,874
and, uh, Kevin came
in one day and said,

520
00:26:05,978 --> 00:26:07,496
hey guys, we're going
to do this movie

521
00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:08,877
called "Child's Play,"

522
00:26:08,981 --> 00:26:10,465
and we're going to
create Chucky.

523
00:26:10,569 --> 00:26:12,132
And I was like,
this is going to be cool.

524
00:26:12,156 --> 00:26:14,676
Howard was like my main
right hand man at the shop.

525
00:26:14,780 --> 00:26:16,140
He just had a great
bedside manner.

526
00:26:16,195 --> 00:26:18,542
He's a wonderful,
funny human being.

527
00:26:18,646 --> 00:26:19,888
It wasn't a lot of us,

528
00:26:19,992 --> 00:26:21,890
like Kevin had a very,
very small crew.

529
00:26:21,994 --> 00:26:24,134
None of us had ever done
anything like this before.

530
00:26:24,237 --> 00:26:26,654
So Kevin assembled
a great mechanical crew

531
00:26:26,757 --> 00:26:28,345
and a great art crew.

532
00:26:28,448 --> 00:26:30,692
David sent me the script
after we had a first meeting.

533
00:26:30,796 --> 00:26:32,660
He showed me a picture
of this doll

534
00:26:32,763 --> 00:26:34,558
that looked very much
like the "Magic" doll.

535
00:26:37,181 --> 00:26:38,538
I felt like, okay,
that's kind of the flavor

536
00:26:38,562 --> 00:26:39,736
of it, you know,
we get.

537
00:26:39,839 --> 00:26:42,290
His design
of the look of the doll,

538
00:26:42,393 --> 00:26:46,846
based on my description,
was obviously a very important

539
00:26:46,950 --> 00:26:50,194
part of the ultimate
look of Chucky.

540
00:26:50,298 --> 00:26:54,026
Kevin Yagher made contributions
to that as well.

541
00:26:54,129 --> 00:26:55,929
But then you know,
Tom Holland, the director,

542
00:26:55,959 --> 00:26:57,857
would come in
and David Kirschner,

543
00:26:57,961 --> 00:26:59,904
the producer, would come in
and there'd be some changes.

544
00:26:59,928 --> 00:27:01,630
And then Kevin wanted changes
and you would see it evolve.

545
00:27:01,654 --> 00:27:04,623
So we just started saying,
make it cuter, make it cuter.

546
00:27:04,726 --> 00:27:06,383
There was a doll
out called Corky,

547
00:27:06,486 --> 00:27:08,672
and it was an animatronic doll
you could actually talk to.

548
00:27:08,696 --> 00:27:10,594
Gee, Corky,
when you talk about

549
00:27:10,698 --> 00:27:12,700
something, it's almost real.

550
00:27:12,803 --> 00:27:14,667
I know some great songs, too.

551
00:27:14,771 --> 00:27:16,773
It was just like it make it
as cute as Corky.

552
00:27:16,876 --> 00:27:18,326
I got tired of that phrase.

553
00:27:18,429 --> 00:27:21,950
I never, ever once thought
that the cuteness

554
00:27:22,054 --> 00:27:24,712
of the original doll
was going to be a problem.

555
00:27:24,815 --> 00:27:27,231
I give a dimples
and bigger cheeks, you know?

556
00:27:27,335 --> 00:27:29,509
You know, cheeks that,
you know, were fuller faced.

557
00:27:29,613 --> 00:27:30,959
And then we changed
the eyes blue.

558
00:27:31,063 --> 00:27:32,616
I went to Dave
and I said, "Listen.

559
00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:33,928
As he becomes more human,

560
00:27:34,031 --> 00:27:35,757
be really great
to make the eyes colder.

561
00:27:35,861 --> 00:27:37,241
Can we go ice cold?"
He said,

562
00:27:37,345 --> 00:27:39,174
"We just hired this actor
named Brad Dourif.

563
00:27:39,278 --> 00:27:42,488
And the funny thing is,
he's got ice cold blue eyes,

564
00:27:42,591 --> 00:27:43,831
so that would work out perfect.

565
00:27:43,903 --> 00:27:45,664
The movie defines
the character.

566
00:27:45,767 --> 00:27:47,804
What happens defines
the character.

567
00:27:47,907 --> 00:27:49,806
I thought it was going
to be an asset.

568
00:27:49,909 --> 00:27:52,843
So we changed Chucky's eyes
to like, sky blue.

569
00:27:52,947 --> 00:27:54,742
But as he becomes
more human in the film,

570
00:27:54,845 --> 00:27:56,778
those eyes go icier cold.

571
00:27:56,882 --> 00:27:59,091
Kevin gave me a
call and told me

572
00:27:59,194 --> 00:28:01,196
me that he was going to be
building the doll

573
00:28:01,300 --> 00:28:02,681
for this... this film.

574
00:28:02,784 --> 00:28:05,718
I started working with him
on "Cocoon"

575
00:28:05,822 --> 00:28:08,859
and also Weird Al Yankovic's
"Fat" video.

576
00:28:08,963 --> 00:28:13,243
They contacted me
originally to make the costumes

577
00:28:13,346 --> 00:28:14,934
for the... the dolls.

578
00:28:15,038 --> 00:28:18,973
It was going to be maybe 15, 20.
It turned out to be 72.

579
00:28:19,076 --> 00:28:21,147
And I knew that I wanted
to go with happy Colors.

580
00:28:21,251 --> 00:28:23,080
It had to feel like
it was being done

581
00:28:23,184 --> 00:28:27,533
by a marketing campaign
from a major advertising agency

582
00:28:27,636 --> 00:28:29,190
pitching to seven-year-olds.

583
00:28:29,293 --> 00:28:32,849
I worked closely also with
Ron Pipes, who did the hair.

584
00:28:32,952 --> 00:28:34,782
One day I showed up
in the morning

585
00:28:34,885 --> 00:28:36,335
and that's what we did.

586
00:28:36,438 --> 00:28:38,398
We sat in a little room
making Chucky hair pieces.

587
00:28:38,475 --> 00:28:41,789
And I believe we made
six hero toy versions.

588
00:28:41,892 --> 00:28:44,757
And then I made 50 vacuform ones

589
00:28:44,861 --> 00:28:47,035
that had hair and stick-on eyes
and everything,

590
00:28:47,139 --> 00:28:48,968
and they had full wardrobe
for the boxes,

591
00:28:49,072 --> 00:28:50,556
you know,
that were in the toy store.

592
00:28:50,659 --> 00:28:51,971
In the first film

593
00:28:52,075 --> 00:28:53,870
he transforms,
he becomes more human

594
00:28:53,973 --> 00:28:55,975
because his hairline
started to recede.

595
00:28:56,079 --> 00:28:59,047
We started punching eyebrows
into the heads as well.

596
00:28:59,151 --> 00:29:02,223
And I worked closely
with the mechanics

597
00:29:02,326 --> 00:29:05,226
and the puppeteers,
because you really have to be

598
00:29:05,329 --> 00:29:08,988
able to accommodate the motors,
the batteries.

599
00:29:09,092 --> 00:29:10,990
The mechanical aspect
was massive

600
00:29:11,094 --> 00:29:12,474
because there was so much

601
00:29:12,578 --> 00:29:14,107
- that this puppet needed to do.
- Because he had

602
00:29:14,131 --> 00:29:15,754
to go from the toy
version all the way

603
00:29:15,857 --> 00:29:19,136
to the Jack Nicholson
or the Brad Dourif type

604
00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:21,552
with the receding hairline,
the darker skin.

605
00:29:21,656 --> 00:29:24,728
Then his eyes became to change,
so we had to make those look

606
00:29:24,832 --> 00:29:26,488
as realistic
as possible at the end.

607
00:29:26,592 --> 00:29:28,249
So there's five stages
of heads.

608
00:29:28,352 --> 00:29:30,838
We had, like, the yelling head
and like the surprise head,

609
00:29:30,941 --> 00:29:33,461
and then the kind face
and the good guy doll face.

610
00:29:33,564 --> 00:29:36,913
And so in each head
had to have three puppeteers.

611
00:29:37,016 --> 00:29:39,812
There was one working the cheeks
and the brows,

612
00:29:39,916 --> 00:29:41,918
one working the mouth
and he had a headgear.

613
00:29:42,021 --> 00:29:44,092
It was like a football chinstrap

614
00:29:44,196 --> 00:29:45,991
that we hooked up
to potentiometers

615
00:29:46,094 --> 00:29:49,097
that would then signal
the servos inside Chucky's head.

616
00:29:49,201 --> 00:29:52,791
He had 25 to 28 servos
inside of his head.

617
00:29:52,894 --> 00:29:54,344
The first time we finally

618
00:29:54,447 --> 00:29:58,210
got the walking hero puppet
up and running.

619
00:29:58,313 --> 00:30:00,113
There was no skin on it,
and they turned it on

620
00:30:00,212 --> 00:30:01,765
and that thing
just started moving.

621
00:30:01,869 --> 00:30:03,871
I was like, Holy shit,
this is amazing.

622
00:30:03,974 --> 00:30:08,841
I was blown away by what goes
in to this creature

623
00:30:08,945 --> 00:30:10,360
moving and talking.

624
00:30:10,463 --> 00:30:12,293
It was the coolest thing
in the world.

625
00:30:12,396 --> 00:30:16,021
Any opportunity I got to fiddle
with some of the puppetry stuff

626
00:30:16,124 --> 00:30:17,470
was the coolest thing for me.

627
00:30:17,574 --> 00:30:19,024
It was so amazing.

628
00:30:19,127 --> 00:30:21,820
That word spread kind of quick
that Stan Winston,

629
00:30:21,923 --> 00:30:23,994
multi-Academy Award
winner of "Jurassic Park,"

630
00:30:24,098 --> 00:30:26,341
"Aliens," "Predator"
called Kevin was like,

631
00:30:26,445 --> 00:30:28,526
I want to come over and I want
to see what you're working on.

632
00:30:28,550 --> 00:30:29,758
Kevin Yagher and the doll

633
00:30:29,862 --> 00:30:31,864
actually performed
extremely well.

634
00:30:31,968 --> 00:30:33,210
He's the guy

635
00:30:33,314 --> 00:30:36,248
whose imagination
and whose expertise

636
00:30:36,351 --> 00:30:39,389
created the various iterations
of the doll.

637
00:30:39,492 --> 00:30:42,081
It was, you know,
incredibly exciting to see.

638
00:30:42,185 --> 00:30:46,706
This looks super cool and a lot
like what I had imagined.

639
00:30:46,810 --> 00:30:48,777
Kevin brought the character
to life.

640
00:30:48,881 --> 00:30:50,434
He's Dr. Frankenstein

641
00:30:50,538 --> 00:30:53,817
and was able to just take
a graphite pencil drawing

642
00:30:53,921 --> 00:30:56,164
- and bring that to life.
- It's alive!

643
00:30:56,268 --> 00:30:58,304
I look at Chucky
as you know, my baby.

644
00:30:58,408 --> 00:31:00,686
I'm sure Don does the same thing
and so does David,

645
00:31:00,789 --> 00:31:02,343
and I'm so proud of it.

646
00:31:02,446 --> 00:31:05,794
And it really worked.
People really, really liked it.

647
00:31:05,898 --> 00:31:07,348
So that was cool.

648
00:31:07,451 --> 00:31:10,558
You knew that a star was born
and it wasn't human.

649
00:31:10,661 --> 00:31:13,285
It was the doll, Chucky.

650
00:31:13,388 --> 00:31:16,564
With a director,
main cast and murderous villain,

651
00:31:16,667 --> 00:31:17,979
Tom Holland's
"Child's Play"

652
00:31:18,083 --> 00:31:21,396
began filming
on January 7th, 1988.

653
00:31:21,500 --> 00:31:24,020
The $13 million film
saw its start

654
00:31:24,123 --> 00:31:26,815
by shooting on
the streets of Chicago.

655
00:31:26,919 --> 00:31:28,058
We went into Chicago

656
00:31:28,162 --> 00:31:30,267
in a record-breaking
cold winter.

657
00:31:30,371 --> 00:31:32,752
It was one of their
coldest winters in years.

658
00:31:32,856 --> 00:31:33,995
It was 30 below.

659
00:31:34,099 --> 00:31:36,860
My voice froze
in my throat.

660
00:31:36,964 --> 00:31:39,449
I literally lay in agony

661
00:31:39,552 --> 00:31:43,349
because of the cold
burning my esophagus.

662
00:31:43,453 --> 00:31:45,179
UA brought that up
as a reason

663
00:31:45,282 --> 00:31:47,112
we shouldn't go to Chicago,

664
00:31:47,215 --> 00:31:49,021
and the weather is going to be
a character in the story,

665
00:31:49,045 --> 00:31:53,221
which I do
truly believe it was.

666
00:31:53,325 --> 00:31:56,052
The original scene that I wrote
at the start of the movie

667
00:31:56,155 --> 00:31:57,985
was a helpless woman
walking down the street

668
00:31:58,088 --> 00:31:59,779
and she was a female decoy,

669
00:31:59,883 --> 00:32:01,885
and it was Chris Sarandon
in drag.

670
00:32:01,989 --> 00:32:03,266
Wow.

671
00:32:03,369 --> 00:32:06,234
No, I have
no recollection of this.

672
00:32:06,338 --> 00:32:08,236
I think someone
made that story up.

673
00:32:08,340 --> 00:32:10,998
You know what?
I had forgotten all about that.

674
00:32:11,101 --> 00:32:16,417
And I just now only vaguely
see him doing that.

675
00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:18,729
The first shot of the movie,
as we know it,

676
00:32:18,833 --> 00:32:23,493
is running down Wabash Avenue in
Chicago outside the toy store.

677
00:32:23,596 --> 00:32:25,771
That was one of the scenes
that I think,

678
00:32:25,874 --> 00:32:26,875
you know, really created

679
00:32:26,979 --> 00:32:28,360
that sort of sense of,

680
00:32:28,463 --> 00:32:31,466
oh, we're in
for an exciting ride.

681
00:32:36,092 --> 00:32:37,438
For the toy store,

682
00:32:37,541 --> 00:32:39,509
which is one of the first scenes
in the film,

683
00:32:39,612 --> 00:32:42,822
um, I knew it was going
to be like 10,000 square ft,

684
00:32:42,926 --> 00:32:45,066
and that's a lot of space
to fill.

685
00:32:45,170 --> 00:32:47,655
You couldn't just waltz
into a toy store

686
00:32:47,758 --> 00:32:49,139
and, you know, rearrange it.

687
00:32:49,243 --> 00:32:52,177
So I contacted Toys "R" Us,
and I said,

688
00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:55,594
"Give me all of your returns
and I'll give you $14,000."

689
00:32:55,697 --> 00:32:59,770
And so nine semis rolled up
and we dressed that set

690
00:32:59,874 --> 00:33:01,220
I think in four days.

691
00:33:01,324 --> 00:33:02,566
We did the vacuum forms.

692
00:33:02,670 --> 00:33:04,150
We painted the forms back
in the shop.

693
00:33:04,223 --> 00:33:05,949
We had little stickers
for the eyes.

694
00:33:06,053 --> 00:33:07,537
We made little wigs
and put those on.

695
00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:09,653
And then we got from wardrobe
all the Chucky outfits,

696
00:33:09,677 --> 00:33:11,920
so we'd have stacks of them
on one side,

697
00:33:12,024 --> 00:33:13,381
and the camera
would change angles,

698
00:33:13,405 --> 00:33:15,269
and we'd put the same 50
on the other side.

699
00:33:15,372 --> 00:33:16,856
We had to have a lot of boxes

700
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:19,031
that had to be
a big popular thing.

701
00:33:19,135 --> 00:33:21,413
I do remember being
in my hotel room,

702
00:33:21,516 --> 00:33:23,346
you know, I wonder
what the maid would say

703
00:33:23,449 --> 00:33:25,486
when she came in
with all these Chucky dolls.

704
00:33:25,589 --> 00:33:29,835
I'm gonna get you,
and I'm gonna get Eddie

705
00:33:29,938 --> 00:33:31,664
no matter what!

706
00:33:31,768 --> 00:33:37,153
The scene in the toy store is
what really remains with me,

707
00:33:37,256 --> 00:33:39,155
where he puts himself
into the doll.

708
00:33:39,258 --> 00:33:41,019
I had come up with the notion

709
00:33:41,122 --> 00:33:44,988
that he transmogrifies his soul
into the doll.

710
00:33:45,092 --> 00:33:46,714
Tom felt that was not enough

711
00:33:46,817 --> 00:33:48,819
and created the voodoo element.

712
00:33:50,028 --> 00:33:54,929
They partied more.

713
00:33:55,033 --> 00:33:56,517
I never liked the voodoo.

714
00:33:56,620 --> 00:34:00,107
I just found it
to be a kind of corny device.

715
00:34:00,210 --> 00:34:03,144
I was looking for,
for some way to justify

716
00:34:03,248 --> 00:34:05,077
the insanity
of the serial killer

717
00:34:05,181 --> 00:34:06,630
putting a soul
into that of a doll.

718
00:34:06,734 --> 00:34:09,875
The only thing I could think
of was voodoo.

719
00:34:09,978 --> 00:34:11,359
It was a brilliant idea.

720
00:34:11,463 --> 00:34:14,259
It gave a spooky spirituality
to the film.

721
00:34:14,362 --> 00:34:16,744
And all of this was
so integral

722
00:34:16,847 --> 00:34:18,228
to the plot of the film.

723
00:34:18,331 --> 00:34:20,058
You know, I think it served
its purpose

724
00:34:20,161 --> 00:34:23,509
in terms of
explaining Chucky's life energy.

725
00:34:23,612 --> 00:34:26,373
The audience wasn't
going to go anywhere

726
00:34:26,478 --> 00:34:29,308
until they saw
what happened with that doll.

727
00:34:29,411 --> 00:34:31,516
Great idea, that voodoo,

728
00:34:31,621 --> 00:34:34,451
even though I resisted it
for a long time.

729
00:34:39,387 --> 00:34:41,734
The explosion of toy store
went really, really well.

730
00:34:41,838 --> 00:34:45,324
That explosion really was the
hook that started the film.

731
00:34:45,428 --> 00:34:47,257
And also the fact that it

732
00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:50,777
creates a tempo that remains
all the way through.

733
00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:52,228
The audience was sitting,

734
00:34:52,331 --> 00:34:54,056
waiting for the characters
in the movie,

735
00:34:54,161 --> 00:34:55,402
especially Karen Barclay,

736
00:34:55,507 --> 00:34:58,751
to realize that the doll
was possessed.

737
00:34:58,855 --> 00:35:00,167
I'm a good guy.

738
00:35:00,270 --> 00:35:01,950
I've just come from
the good guy clubhouse.

739
00:35:01,996 --> 00:35:03,653
I was so excited by the idea

740
00:35:03,756 --> 00:35:08,244
of creating an animated version
of what Chucky would be like,

741
00:35:08,347 --> 00:35:10,315
which was a very big deal
with the studio,

742
00:35:10,418 --> 00:35:13,352
just for them to spend money
on a piece of animation

743
00:35:13,456 --> 00:35:15,182
in the middle of a horror film.

744
00:35:15,285 --> 00:35:17,529
I was working at Ruby-Spears
Productions at the time,

745
00:35:17,632 --> 00:35:20,014
and I know that David Kirschner
had been

746
00:35:20,118 --> 00:35:21,567
working with Hanna-Barbera,

747
00:35:21,671 --> 00:35:24,398
so I ended up doing the drawings
on the actual animation,

748
00:35:24,501 --> 00:35:26,296
and others did the animation.

749
00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:29,299
And it was really fun to take
kind of the dark elements

750
00:35:29,403 --> 00:35:33,924
of what Don had created
for this big trend for kids

751
00:35:34,028 --> 00:35:35,478
that was sweeping the nation.

752
00:35:35,581 --> 00:35:37,963
The "Good Guys" show that
we saw

753
00:35:38,066 --> 00:35:42,312
was very, very typical
of the kind of

754
00:35:42,416 --> 00:35:44,901
toy-driven shows that were
being done at that time.

755
00:35:45,004 --> 00:35:48,594
As well as we did a live action
piece in the treehouse

756
00:35:48,698 --> 00:35:51,252
and had a whole costume
made of Chucky.

757
00:35:51,356 --> 00:35:53,772
Good guys say
three different sentences.

758
00:35:53,875 --> 00:35:57,845
We even turn our heads and blink
our eyes when you talk to us.

759
00:35:57,948 --> 00:35:59,467
And so they contacted me

760
00:35:59,571 --> 00:36:02,712
originally to make the large
walk-around version,

761
00:36:02,815 --> 00:36:05,301
which would have
a full size person in it.

762
00:36:05,404 --> 00:36:09,374
I know that Carol Siegel,
my assistant,

763
00:36:09,477 --> 00:36:14,068
played Chucky in the doll
costume in the commercial.

764
00:36:14,172 --> 00:36:16,622
- Oh, happy birthday, pumpkin.
- Thanks.

765
00:36:16,726 --> 00:36:19,349
I think you really
believed their bond.

766
00:36:19,453 --> 00:36:21,903
We kind of attack
relationships and concepts

767
00:36:22,007 --> 00:36:25,493
from a lot of different
angles... humor, horror, drama.

768
00:36:25,597 --> 00:36:29,256
We did so many scenes
between me and my son

769
00:36:29,359 --> 00:36:31,050
about my husband, his dad.

770
00:36:31,154 --> 00:36:32,604
There was a lot
of backstory.

771
00:36:32,707 --> 00:36:35,089
So my father in
"Child's Play,"

772
00:36:35,193 --> 00:36:36,815
who was never really seen
on screen,

773
00:36:36,918 --> 00:36:40,163
there is a picture frame
which was one of Tom Holland's

774
00:36:40,267 --> 00:36:42,234
cameos in the film.

775
00:36:42,338 --> 00:36:44,581
There was some expansion
on the idea

776
00:36:44,685 --> 00:36:47,377
that Andy's father had died.

777
00:36:47,481 --> 00:36:50,138
That idea that Chucky
was sent down from heaven

778
00:36:50,242 --> 00:36:51,485
by daddy to play with me

779
00:36:51,588 --> 00:36:53,694
I think really helped
draw Andy in.

780
00:36:53,797 --> 00:36:56,800
I think the relationship
between Karen and Andy

781
00:36:56,904 --> 00:37:00,632
was built on a place
of relatability for people.

782
00:37:00,735 --> 00:37:02,530
Catherine was
a complete professional

783
00:37:02,634 --> 00:37:04,474
and she really had
to bring that stuff to life.

784
00:37:04,567 --> 00:37:06,362
She had to be a sweet mom

785
00:37:06,465 --> 00:37:08,202
that's on her own,
you know, raising this kid.

786
00:37:08,226 --> 00:37:13,334
The horror fact was really
secondary for me as an actor.

787
00:37:13,438 --> 00:37:14,956
It corresponds more to the way

788
00:37:15,060 --> 00:37:16,717
I originally saw this world

789
00:37:16,820 --> 00:37:19,513
in the home,
familiar surroundings

790
00:37:19,616 --> 00:37:21,377
and things
turning against you.

791
00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:23,931
Chill out, would you,
Walter, huh?

792
00:37:24,034 --> 00:37:26,934
Well, I was living in New York
at the time,

793
00:37:27,037 --> 00:37:28,763
and I had two auditions.

794
00:37:28,867 --> 00:37:32,319
One was for a movie called
"Bloodhounds of Broadway,"

795
00:37:32,422 --> 00:37:33,665
but they don't pay any money.

796
00:37:33,768 --> 00:37:35,494
And then I had
this other audition

797
00:37:35,598 --> 00:37:39,395
for this horror movie
called "Child's Play"

798
00:37:39,498 --> 00:37:42,674
about this killer doll,
but they were paying.

799
00:37:42,777 --> 00:37:44,469
I had been in
the Actor's Studio

800
00:37:44,572 --> 00:37:46,402
with her mother, Lee Grant.

801
00:37:46,505 --> 00:37:49,612
Lee Grant is a brilliant
actress, just brilliant.

802
00:37:49,715 --> 00:37:53,098
And Dinah came in
and she was really talented

803
00:37:53,201 --> 00:37:54,513
and gave a great reading.

804
00:37:54,617 --> 00:37:56,826
In my original script,
she was a teenager

805
00:37:56,929 --> 00:37:58,621
rather than being a friend
of the family.

806
00:37:58,724 --> 00:38:01,140
I wasn't aware that Maggie
was originally meant

807
00:38:01,244 --> 00:38:02,590
just to be the babysitter.

808
00:38:02,694 --> 00:38:04,868
I still would have
taken the role.

809
00:38:04,972 --> 00:38:07,768
But it probably would have gone
to someone a lot younger.

810
00:38:07,871 --> 00:38:11,150
When we worked with Dinah,
she was incredibly sweet

811
00:38:11,254 --> 00:38:12,807
and we were very excited
to get her

812
00:38:12,911 --> 00:38:15,362
because of "Grease"
and "Ordinary People."

813
00:38:15,465 --> 00:38:17,018
I love Dinah Manoff.

814
00:38:17,122 --> 00:38:19,504
We're kindred spirits.
We didn't have to do anything

815
00:38:19,607 --> 00:38:21,575
to come off believable
as friends.

816
00:38:21,678 --> 00:38:25,786
She is the nicest, prettiest
girl in the whole world

817
00:38:25,889 --> 00:38:28,616
and you would want to be
her best friend instantly.

818
00:38:28,720 --> 00:38:30,584
I think the funnest part
of making the movie

819
00:38:30,687 --> 00:38:33,380
was having a friend
in the department store.

820
00:38:33,483 --> 00:38:34,933
Our opposite natures,

821
00:38:35,036 --> 00:38:38,246
Catherine's being gentler
and sweet and mine being,

822
00:38:38,350 --> 00:38:39,972
you know, bossy,

823
00:38:40,076 --> 00:38:42,261
- I think you really see that.
- I can't just leave my account.

824
00:38:42,285 --> 00:38:43,642
You want the damn doll
or don't you?

825
00:38:43,666 --> 00:38:45,461
- Of course I do.
- Well, then, come on.

826
00:38:45,564 --> 00:38:46,979
- Come on.
- Alright!

827
00:38:47,083 --> 00:38:48,326
The scene in the alley,

828
00:38:48,429 --> 00:38:50,328
I remember that it was fun.

829
00:38:50,431 --> 00:38:53,710
Okay, show her.

830
00:38:53,814 --> 00:38:55,747
I don't remember
the audition a lot,

831
00:38:55,850 --> 00:38:57,542
but I do remember
looking at

832
00:38:57,645 --> 00:38:59,751
who was going to be
a part of the whole thing.

833
00:38:59,854 --> 00:39:01,442
I couldn't wait
to meet Brad Dourif.

834
00:39:01,546 --> 00:39:03,168
I knew about Chris,
and Catherine

835
00:39:03,271 --> 00:39:05,170
was really wonderful
too, but working

836
00:39:05,273 --> 00:39:07,724
with Dinah Manoff
was an absolute joy.

837
00:39:07,828 --> 00:39:10,520
Juan was really good,
and I remember thinking,

838
00:39:10,624 --> 00:39:12,384
that was a really fun
scene to shoot.

839
00:39:12,488 --> 00:39:13,982
Take it or leave it.
Somebody else will buy it.

840
00:39:14,006 --> 00:39:15,939
- I'll take it.
- Karen, it's too much money.

841
00:39:16,043 --> 00:39:18,159
No, it isn't. You have no idea
how much Andy wants this doll.

842
00:39:18,183 --> 00:39:21,600
We have struggled, the dad died.
It's too expensive.

843
00:39:21,704 --> 00:39:23,809
But I want my child
to be happy.

844
00:39:23,913 --> 00:39:26,571
The challenges that came
for Catherine were different

845
00:39:26,674 --> 00:39:30,091
because a lot of her stuff
she had to internalize.

846
00:39:30,195 --> 00:39:31,541
Here you go, lady.

847
00:39:31,645 --> 00:39:33,277
May it bring you
and your kid a lot of joy.

848
00:39:33,301 --> 00:39:37,236
My role fit into starting
this trajectory of the doll.

849
00:39:37,340 --> 00:39:38,721
People blame me
sometimes.

850
00:39:38,824 --> 00:39:40,274
They see me and say,
"No, no, man,

851
00:39:40,378 --> 00:39:41,907
you started this,
you're the troublemaker.

852
00:39:41,931 --> 00:39:43,731
You're the one who sold it
to that poor lady."

853
00:39:43,795 --> 00:39:46,763
How do we know the damn thing
isn't stolen, huh?

854
00:39:46,867 --> 00:39:47,695
Ah, steal this.

855
00:39:47,799 --> 00:39:49,421
The character of the peddler

856
00:39:49,525 --> 00:39:52,286
found this in the aftermath
of this explosion.

857
00:39:52,390 --> 00:39:54,046
And then this
terrible event happens.

858
00:39:54,150 --> 00:39:58,016
She buys the kid a possessed
doll and all hell breaks loose.

859
00:39:58,119 --> 00:39:59,431
A Good Guy.

860
00:39:59,535 --> 00:40:02,089
I know it.
I know you would get me one.

861
00:40:02,192 --> 00:40:05,644
Hi, I'm Chucky,
and I'm your friend to the end.

862
00:40:05,748 --> 00:40:08,509
I am actually
the original Chucky, you know,

863
00:40:08,613 --> 00:40:11,650
because the first time
Chucky's introduced

864
00:40:11,754 --> 00:40:13,583
he's a Good Guy doll.

865
00:40:13,687 --> 00:40:16,966
As a child actor,
I voiced many cartoons,

866
00:40:17,069 --> 00:40:18,692
movies, things like that.

867
00:40:18,795 --> 00:40:21,142
I actually voiced
Corky back in the day.

868
00:40:21,246 --> 00:40:25,250
Hi, pal. My name's Corky.
Come on and be my best friend.

869
00:40:25,353 --> 00:40:26,469
- Okay.
- Everybody has their favorite

870
00:40:26,493 --> 00:40:28,253
doll growing up,
and Chucky

871
00:40:28,356 --> 00:40:32,430
has probably become
so many people's favorite doll.

872
00:40:32,533 --> 00:40:33,879
It's a new friendship
in my life

873
00:40:33,983 --> 00:40:35,709
- that means a lot to me.
- I'll take care

874
00:40:35,812 --> 00:40:38,056
- of Andy for you.
- Becky, you can't do it again.

875
00:40:38,159 --> 00:40:39,540
Don't be silly.

876
00:40:39,644 --> 00:40:41,242
It'll be the hottest date
I've had in months.

877
00:40:41,266 --> 00:40:44,096
My favorite chill
is probably Aunt Maggie's death.

878
00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:49,861
It's mysterious and domestic,
and the whole lead up to that

879
00:40:49,964 --> 00:40:54,210
where he keeps the doll
off screen, just like in jaws.

880
00:40:54,313 --> 00:40:58,248
We're seeing the villain's
Steadicam point of view.

881
00:40:58,352 --> 00:41:04,116
And in that scene where I'm
reading the book and the doll...

882
00:41:04,220 --> 00:41:06,912
No, everything's okay.
Wait, what was that?

883
00:41:07,016 --> 00:41:09,915
Alex Vincent's sister, Ashley,
was in a few shots.

884
00:41:10,019 --> 00:41:13,436
His sister actually
dressed up as the doll,

885
00:41:13,540 --> 00:41:15,956
- played Chucky.
- She was about four years old,

886
00:41:16,059 --> 00:41:19,891
and the little girl out of focus
ran behind the babysitter.

887
00:41:19,994 --> 00:41:23,481
And it is one of the best shots
in the movie.

888
00:41:23,584 --> 00:41:25,724
This was the part of the role

889
00:41:25,828 --> 00:41:28,693
that I was really
looking forward to,

890
00:41:28,796 --> 00:41:33,767
because this was the
Hitchcockian chance to do the,

891
00:41:33,870 --> 00:41:36,597
you know,
wait, I hear something.

892
00:41:36,701 --> 00:41:38,737
Andy, is that you?

893
00:41:40,981 --> 00:41:42,983
What is wrong with me?

894
00:41:43,086 --> 00:41:46,193
And then Chucky comes out
and whacks me with the hammer.

895
00:41:46,296 --> 00:41:48,920
Bam!
You know, it's really fun.

896
00:41:49,023 --> 00:41:51,509
And if you look at that,
that's a shot moving

897
00:41:51,612 --> 00:41:53,511
with her, that's inserts
in the hands,

898
00:41:53,614 --> 00:41:54,995
that's inserts on the feet

899
00:41:55,098 --> 00:41:56,790
and she's going back
and hitting the thing.

900
00:41:56,893 --> 00:41:59,758
Tom had wanted me to do
the stunt

901
00:41:59,862 --> 00:42:01,208
of falling through the window,

902
00:42:01,311 --> 00:42:03,969
and I said,
can the stunt woman do it first?

903
00:42:04,073 --> 00:42:09,078
And in my recollection, she got
cut doing it and I said, nope.

904
00:42:09,181 --> 00:42:11,321
And I pulled her out
and I put the stunt woman in.

905
00:42:11,425 --> 00:42:14,877
And then the stunt woman went
out of the window in Chicago.

906
00:42:17,949 --> 00:42:20,676
And then I probably just went
over to the craft service table

907
00:42:20,779 --> 00:42:24,507
and got, you know,
an apple, some chips.

908
00:42:24,611 --> 00:42:26,647
Her death scene
is so fantastic.

909
00:42:26,751 --> 00:42:28,960
It was very shocking
and well done.

910
00:42:29,063 --> 00:42:31,652
And that was
a huge fall into a bag,

911
00:42:31,756 --> 00:42:33,378
and I had a car down there.

912
00:42:33,481 --> 00:42:37,762
I had a crane above the car and
the concrete body hit the car

913
00:42:37,865 --> 00:42:40,178
and crushed the surface
which sold the impact.

914
00:42:40,281 --> 00:42:44,009
I have never seen
this movie past where I die.

915
00:42:44,113 --> 00:42:47,703
I never knew that Dinah
never saw the rest of the film

916
00:42:47,806 --> 00:42:50,291
after her death scene.
That is funny.

917
00:42:50,395 --> 00:42:53,225
I just, you know,
it's scary.

918
00:42:53,329 --> 00:42:54,537
Where's Maggie?

919
00:42:54,641 --> 00:42:56,850
She had an accident.

920
00:42:56,953 --> 00:42:58,610
Accident?
What kind of an accident?

921
00:42:58,714 --> 00:43:01,820
I don't believe
I had much time on screen

922
00:43:01,924 --> 00:43:03,477
to deal with her death.

923
00:43:03,581 --> 00:43:04,903
I hope I did it well
because it's a

924
00:43:04,927 --> 00:43:07,239
really hard
moment to play.

925
00:43:07,343 --> 00:43:10,622
I just remember talking
to the detective and, like,

926
00:43:10,726 --> 00:43:12,348
it's just beginning
to get weird.

927
00:43:12,451 --> 00:43:19,010
When Maggie dies, the attention
turns to Andy as the killer.

928
00:43:19,113 --> 00:43:21,219
Andy may have been
the one responsible.

929
00:43:21,322 --> 00:43:24,049
Certainly, it's what
Detective Norris thinks.

930
00:43:24,153 --> 00:43:25,810
It looked like footprints,
don't they?

931
00:43:25,913 --> 00:43:27,156
Very small footprints.

932
00:43:27,259 --> 00:43:30,918
- What are you implying?
- I don't know.

933
00:43:31,022 --> 00:43:33,611
There's no question that
Mike Norris is looking at it

934
00:43:33,714 --> 00:43:35,060
very skeptically and thinking,

935
00:43:35,164 --> 00:43:37,304
oh, come on,
I know what happened.

936
00:43:37,407 --> 00:43:38,857
I'm an evidence guy,

937
00:43:38,961 --> 00:43:41,101
and this just doesn't...
this doesn't make sense.

938
00:43:41,204 --> 00:43:43,724
Mommy, I know who was on
the kitchen counter.

939
00:43:43,828 --> 00:43:45,588
- Andy, I thought I...
- Who, Andy? Who?

940
00:43:45,692 --> 00:43:48,073
- Chucky.
- Your doll?

941
00:43:48,177 --> 00:43:52,422
Tom Holland understood
the inherent juxtaposition

942
00:43:52,526 --> 00:43:54,148
between creepiness
and innocence.

943
00:43:54,252 --> 00:43:58,428
This feeds into
every childhood nightmare.

944
00:43:58,532 --> 00:43:59,740
Oof.

945
00:43:59,844 --> 00:44:02,950
Ouch. A spirited lady.

946
00:44:03,054 --> 00:44:04,883
- No kidding.
- I went up for Chris' role,

947
00:44:04,987 --> 00:44:06,851
and Tom dug me, man,
you know?

948
00:44:06,954 --> 00:44:08,898
Tom just got a kick out of me,
but he was like, you know,

949
00:44:08,922 --> 00:44:10,440
I want to give you
this other part.

950
00:44:10,544 --> 00:44:13,512
You know, it was all based
on Tom getting a kick out of me.

951
00:44:13,616 --> 00:44:15,031
I always found Tommy Swerdlow

952
00:44:15,135 --> 00:44:18,759
was not afraid to express
himself as who he is

953
00:44:18,863 --> 00:44:20,071
as the character.

954
00:44:20,174 --> 00:44:22,073
Jack Santos is a good time,
man.

955
00:44:22,176 --> 00:44:23,799
Let me just say that
to everybody.

956
00:44:23,902 --> 00:44:25,628
It helped kind of cement
the relationship

957
00:44:25,732 --> 00:44:27,319
between the two cops.

958
00:44:27,423 --> 00:44:29,011
Chris is kind of great, man.

959
00:44:29,114 --> 00:44:32,048
Chris is great doing
that earnest cop thing.

960
00:44:32,152 --> 00:44:33,325
What is this?

961
00:44:33,429 --> 00:44:34,672
Possible murder weapon?

962
00:44:34,775 --> 00:44:36,708
- No.
- I think it's common that cops

963
00:44:36,812 --> 00:44:39,573
and detectives might not believe
someone right away

964
00:44:39,677 --> 00:44:41,299
or suspect maybe
that they're lying.

965
00:44:41,402 --> 00:44:44,198
But Andy was faced with
that very early on, for sure.

966
00:44:44,302 --> 00:44:48,375
Chucky directs Andy
to leave school secretly,

967
00:44:48,478 --> 00:44:50,170
and he gets on the L.

968
00:44:50,273 --> 00:44:54,243
And the juxtaposition of this
innocent little boy put into,

969
00:44:54,346 --> 00:44:59,075
you know, this really
seedy area of Chicago

970
00:44:59,179 --> 00:45:03,114
where a murderer is hiding.

971
00:45:03,217 --> 00:45:06,634
Is that Eddie's?

972
00:45:06,738 --> 00:45:11,122
So, killing Eddie Caputo was,
for Chucky, an act of revenge.

973
00:45:11,225 --> 00:45:14,021
And that's another
common Chucky thing.

974
00:45:14,125 --> 00:45:17,300
Anybody messes with Chucky,
he cannot allow them

975
00:45:17,404 --> 00:45:19,002
- to get away with it.
- I remember we went

976
00:45:19,026 --> 00:45:21,270
there, uh, to that location.

977
00:45:21,373 --> 00:45:23,686
I stood there and I thought,
Jesus Christ,

978
00:45:23,790 --> 00:45:25,205
this is like a kill zone.

979
00:45:25,308 --> 00:45:26,769
During that scout,
I went to Barry Osborn

980
00:45:26,793 --> 00:45:28,208
and I said,
"We can't shoot here."

981
00:45:28,311 --> 00:45:30,210
He said, "Well,
I take your point,

982
00:45:30,313 --> 00:45:32,764
but there's no other vacant lot
where the house we can blow up

983
00:45:32,868 --> 00:45:34,308
around here
unless you can find one."

984
00:45:34,386 --> 00:45:36,837
There were snipers in the top
of the projects

985
00:45:36,941 --> 00:45:38,149
shooting at our furniture,

986
00:45:38,252 --> 00:45:40,151
so we called the police
and they said,

987
00:45:40,254 --> 00:45:42,084
this is the day
after New Year's.

988
00:45:42,187 --> 00:45:44,165
They won't come down
from their high for five days.

989
00:45:44,189 --> 00:45:47,779
They finally stopped,
but it was really scary.

990
00:45:47,883 --> 00:45:50,195
The first time I actually
worked on set

991
00:45:50,299 --> 00:45:52,888
with any Chucky parts
was the Eddie Caputo scene.

992
00:45:52,991 --> 00:45:54,268
I was doing the first hand

993
00:45:54,372 --> 00:45:56,167
that actually comes
around the corner

994
00:45:56,270 --> 00:45:57,903
and reaches around the door
and kind of opens the door

995
00:45:57,927 --> 00:45:59,791
a little bit,
and then my other puppeteer,

996
00:45:59,895 --> 00:46:02,035
Lauren, would turn the dial,
turn the gas on.

997
00:46:02,138 --> 00:46:03,519
That was all staged stuff.

998
00:46:03,622 --> 00:46:04,934
We probably spent like,
you know,

999
00:46:05,038 --> 00:46:07,109
five hours
of a Chucky hand turning.

1000
00:46:07,212 --> 00:46:09,111
I don't think we care so much

1001
00:46:09,214 --> 00:46:11,561
about what's going to happen
to Eddie Caputo.

1002
00:46:11,665 --> 00:46:13,184
He hears something in the
kitchen,

1003
00:46:13,287 --> 00:46:15,289
and goes and throws open
the door and fires.

1004
00:46:15,393 --> 00:46:19,811
Because of Andy's presence
there and his proximity

1005
00:46:19,915 --> 00:46:22,158
to this imminent explosion,

1006
00:46:22,262 --> 00:46:24,609
I think it's very suspenseful.

1007
00:46:24,712 --> 00:46:31,712
Chucky.

1008
00:46:33,100 --> 00:46:34,550
The explosion was fantastic.

1009
00:46:34,653 --> 00:46:37,553
I mean, we, you know,
we shot with Alex outside.

1010
00:46:37,656 --> 00:46:41,177
It was pretty scary because
the explosion almost threw Andy

1011
00:46:41,281 --> 00:46:45,112
into a trench we had built,
but thank God he wasn't hurt.

1012
00:46:45,216 --> 00:46:48,253
It was fun to film and it was
really fun to watch.

1013
00:46:48,357 --> 00:46:49,837
I knew they were going
to blow it up,

1014
00:46:49,876 --> 00:46:51,256
but I was like,
wow.

1015
00:46:51,360 --> 00:46:55,433
You know, I had just graduated,
uh, film school.

1016
00:46:55,536 --> 00:47:00,887
And I ended up getting a job
on, uh, "Child's Play"

1017
00:47:00,990 --> 00:47:02,440
As a production assistant.

1018
00:47:02,543 --> 00:47:05,961
Yes, we blew up an actual
building that existed,

1019
00:47:06,064 --> 00:47:08,308
which, you know,
how amazing was that?

1020
00:47:08,411 --> 00:47:10,068
The explosion was
so much bigger

1021
00:47:10,172 --> 00:47:11,725
than anything we ever intended.

1022
00:47:11,829 --> 00:47:13,382
So that was
a very memorable moment,

1023
00:47:13,485 --> 00:47:15,694
and I'm glad
I was alive after it.

1024
00:47:15,798 --> 00:47:19,526
Nobody believes you
about Chucky.

1025
00:47:19,629 --> 00:47:21,424
Unless you start telling
the truth

1026
00:47:21,528 --> 00:47:25,394
right now, they're going
to take you away from me.

1027
00:47:25,497 --> 00:47:27,845
So Catherine comes home
from the police station.

1028
00:47:27,948 --> 00:47:29,881
The cops are keeping
her little boy,

1029
00:47:29,985 --> 00:47:32,159
thinking that somehow
he killed somebody.

1030
00:47:32,263 --> 00:47:35,162
And she comes home
and sees the Good Guy box there.

1031
00:47:35,266 --> 00:47:37,233
There's a brilliant
reveal when

1032
00:47:37,337 --> 00:47:41,341
the batteries that power
the doll fall out of the box,

1033
00:47:41,444 --> 00:47:43,757
and then you're left
with only one

1034
00:47:43,861 --> 00:47:45,414
possible conclusion.

1035
00:47:45,517 --> 00:47:47,968
It's great, and I do
like to take credit for that.

1036
00:47:48,072 --> 00:47:49,452
That was in my script.

1037
00:47:49,556 --> 00:47:51,627
But the doll has been
talking this whole time.

1038
00:47:51,730 --> 00:47:53,284
What?

1039
00:47:53,387 --> 00:47:55,700
I think it's just being
in the character.

1040
00:47:55,803 --> 00:47:57,150
You're like, oh my, what?

1041
00:47:57,253 --> 00:48:00,394
And then you play
ignorance, confusion.

1042
00:48:00,498 --> 00:48:04,226
She picks up the doll
and she slowly puts her finger

1043
00:48:04,329 --> 00:48:08,471
underneath the case for
the battery and pulls it open.

1044
00:48:08,575 --> 00:48:10,922
And the audience is on the edge
of their seat.

1045
00:48:11,026 --> 00:48:12,510
And it's empty.

1046
00:48:12,613 --> 00:48:14,581
That's shocking moment
always got a big gasp

1047
00:48:14,684 --> 00:48:16,169
from everybody in the audience.

1048
00:48:16,272 --> 00:48:20,725
In that brief second,
the doll swings its head around.

1049
00:48:20,828 --> 00:48:22,900
Hi, I'm Chucky.
Want to play?

1050
00:48:24,349 --> 00:48:25,972
I didn't know
how to do that shot

1051
00:48:26,075 --> 00:48:28,526
because I tried
to put monofilament on the doll

1052
00:48:28,629 --> 00:48:31,115
so when it when it dropped
I could have the gaffer

1053
00:48:31,218 --> 00:48:33,220
or somebody yank it
under the couch,

1054
00:48:33,324 --> 00:48:34,842
but it never looked right.

1055
00:48:34,946 --> 00:48:36,386
We tried and it
just wasn't working.

1056
00:48:36,430 --> 00:48:38,087
It was really kind
of goofy looking.

1057
00:48:38,191 --> 00:48:40,158
And we just couldn't figure out
a way to do it.

1058
00:48:40,262 --> 00:48:42,160
And Bill Butler,
the cinematographer,

1059
00:48:42,264 --> 00:48:43,748
said, I know how to do it,

1060
00:48:43,851 --> 00:48:47,200
and he put the floor
on a 30 degree angle like that.

1061
00:48:47,303 --> 00:48:49,719
I, of course, lost my mind
because I'm like

1062
00:48:49,823 --> 00:48:52,999
Bill Butler shot "Jaws,"
the greatest movie ever made.

1063
00:48:53,102 --> 00:48:54,690
They were able to take
the couch

1064
00:48:54,793 --> 00:48:56,312
and put it on a rug platform

1065
00:48:56,416 --> 00:48:58,325
and just tilt it up enough.
So when she dropped it,

1066
00:48:58,349 --> 00:48:59,971
you couldn't tell
that it was tilted

1067
00:49:00,075 --> 00:49:03,492
but it would roll under
and it works great.

1068
00:49:03,595 --> 00:49:07,013
Karen leans down to look
for him under the couch,

1069
00:49:07,116 --> 00:49:11,603
leading with your face
to look for Chucky down low.

1070
00:49:11,707 --> 00:49:15,883
Bad idea, but it's great.
It's really suspense inducing.

1071
00:49:15,987 --> 00:49:17,368
The audience went wild.

1072
00:49:17,471 --> 00:49:20,095
It was really, really exciting
to see that.

1073
00:49:20,198 --> 00:49:22,752
I would personally pretend
it's a snake

1074
00:49:22,856 --> 00:49:24,340
because I'm terrified of snakes.

1075
00:49:24,444 --> 00:49:26,411
She pulls the doll out
and the doll

1076
00:49:26,515 --> 00:49:28,758
doesn't do anything,
and she lifts it up.

1077
00:49:28,862 --> 00:49:30,933
I said talk to me, damn it,
or else I'm gonna throw

1078
00:49:31,037 --> 00:49:32,762
- you in the fire.
- And then, of course,

1079
00:49:32,866 --> 00:49:37,250
just the torrent of filth that
pours out of this doll's mouth.

1080
00:49:37,353 --> 00:49:39,907
You stupid bitch!
You filthy slut!

1081
00:49:40,011 --> 00:49:42,082
I'll teach you to fuck with me!

1082
00:49:42,186 --> 00:49:43,635
And that's one
of those moments.

1083
00:49:43,739 --> 00:49:45,568
You have to hit that
with everything you have.

1084
00:49:45,672 --> 00:49:48,157
That had to be big.
That really had to be.

1085
00:49:48,261 --> 00:49:49,745
You just get angry

1086
00:49:49,848 --> 00:49:52,851
and you're just sort of fight
to get him off you,

1087
00:49:52,955 --> 00:49:55,958
as you would in a scene
with a bad guy.

1088
00:49:56,062 --> 00:49:58,133
That's a very important
part of storytelling.

1089
00:49:58,236 --> 00:50:00,066
It gets a big wow
from the audience.

1090
00:50:00,169 --> 00:50:02,078
And we knew that was going
to be an iconic moment.

1091
00:50:02,102 --> 00:50:03,414
Your job is to make it work.

1092
00:50:03,517 --> 00:50:05,312
You have to block
out the cables

1093
00:50:05,416 --> 00:50:08,419
when you got him up there,
you just you do your job

1094
00:50:08,522 --> 00:50:12,319
and deal with the terror
of those icy blue eyes.

1095
00:50:12,423 --> 00:50:14,252
She was always up
for the task.

1096
00:50:14,356 --> 00:50:15,805
She had to work really,
really hard.

1097
00:50:15,909 --> 00:50:17,290
We really went at it.

1098
00:50:17,393 --> 00:50:18,646
"Punch me in the face
with the Chucky."

1099
00:50:18,670 --> 00:50:20,500
You become part
of the Chucky team.

1100
00:50:20,603 --> 00:50:25,229
We have to make this a live doll
believable to the audience.

1101
00:50:25,332 --> 00:50:28,232
I think my favorite moments
in the film are right there.

1102
00:50:28,335 --> 00:50:31,545
I didn't, in my script,
reveal the doll fully alive

1103
00:50:31,649 --> 00:50:34,583
until that was like the curtain
opener for the third act,

1104
00:50:34,686 --> 00:50:39,036
and Tom probably smartly
brought that earlier.

1105
00:50:39,139 --> 00:50:40,419
That's the beginning
of the end.

1106
00:50:40,520 --> 00:50:42,729
It's sort of the end
of innocence.

1107
00:50:45,352 --> 00:50:46,940
Karen is really vulnerable

1108
00:50:47,044 --> 00:50:49,325
and isn't going to find any help
because there's something

1109
00:50:49,391 --> 00:50:51,013
so ridiculous about it.

1110
00:50:51,117 --> 00:50:52,842
One of the difficulties
with playing

1111
00:50:52,946 --> 00:50:54,396
a character like Mike Norris

1112
00:50:54,499 --> 00:50:57,226
is that the audience knows
what the real deal is.

1113
00:50:57,330 --> 00:51:00,471
Working with Chris Sarandon
was so easy,

1114
00:51:00,574 --> 00:51:03,370
and he has this ability
to be very comforting,

1115
00:51:03,474 --> 00:51:06,477
and he's just calm
and he's really cool.

1116
00:51:06,580 --> 00:51:09,204
Chucky is alive
and he killed Eddie Caputo.

1117
00:51:09,307 --> 00:51:10,860
- What?
- You just play it straight

1118
00:51:10,964 --> 00:51:12,172
because it is serious.

1119
00:51:12,276 --> 00:51:14,312
It is about a little boy
getting killed

1120
00:51:14,416 --> 00:51:15,969
and me getting killed.

1121
00:51:16,073 --> 00:51:17,464
And I think Chris did
a really good job.

1122
00:51:17,488 --> 00:51:20,284
My job as an actor
in moments like that

1123
00:51:20,387 --> 00:51:22,355
is to remain the skeptic.

1124
00:51:22,458 --> 00:51:26,255
If he doesn't, then the belief
in the situation

1125
00:51:26,359 --> 00:51:27,359
goes out the window.

1126
00:51:27,429 --> 00:51:29,016
Good night, Mrs. Barclay.

1127
00:51:29,120 --> 00:51:31,571
One of the things that I
disagreed with about the script

1128
00:51:31,674 --> 00:51:36,231
is that the audience
is ahead of Karen Barclay.

1129
00:51:36,334 --> 00:51:38,198
She's forced to do scenes
where she, like,

1130
00:51:38,302 --> 00:51:39,648
goes to Chris Sarandon
and goes...

1131
00:51:39,751 --> 00:51:41,581
He's been moving and
talking for days.

1132
00:51:41,684 --> 00:51:44,042
- Without any batteries in him.
- What are you talking about?

1133
00:51:44,066 --> 00:51:45,516
In retrospect,
when I see that,

1134
00:51:45,619 --> 00:51:48,898
I wished I tapped
into a more specific,

1135
00:51:49,002 --> 00:51:52,695
real personal thing in my life
to make it deeper and more real.

1136
00:51:52,799 --> 00:51:57,217
So I confess
that wasn't my best moment.

1137
00:51:57,321 --> 00:52:00,565
It's not enough.
What else you got?

1138
00:52:00,669 --> 00:52:03,396
- That's all I've got.
- All you got?

1139
00:52:03,499 --> 00:52:05,156
- What?
- The thing about shooting

1140
00:52:05,260 --> 00:52:08,055
the scene where I attempt
to assault Catherine

1141
00:52:08,159 --> 00:52:09,574
is that it is on my turf.

1142
00:52:09,678 --> 00:52:12,267
I'm feeling sorry
for the homeless here

1143
00:52:12,370 --> 00:52:14,614
all around this freezing night
in the fires,

1144
00:52:14,717 --> 00:52:19,412
and then I just don't
expect that from him.

1145
00:52:19,515 --> 00:52:21,586
And, I mean, that's just,
oh, God.

1146
00:52:21,690 --> 00:52:24,796
Another horrible thing
that's happened in our lives.

1147
00:52:24,900 --> 00:52:26,591
It was scary.
I mean, it's like, you know,

1148
00:52:26,695 --> 00:52:29,629
you really feel the danger
in that scene

1149
00:52:29,732 --> 00:52:32,494
because it does go
beyond me assaulting her.

1150
00:52:32,597 --> 00:52:34,323
It goes beyond whether or not

1151
00:52:34,427 --> 00:52:36,198
she's going to be making it
out of there alive.

1152
00:52:36,222 --> 00:52:37,637
It's incomprehensible,

1153
00:52:37,740 --> 00:52:39,777
and I'm powerless
and there's no one around.

1154
00:52:39,880 --> 00:52:41,227
Help!

1155
00:52:41,330 --> 00:52:42,538
Hey.

1156
00:52:42,642 --> 00:52:44,506
- Christ, he's a cop.
- Alright.

1157
00:52:44,609 --> 00:52:46,128
What about the rest of you?

1158
00:52:46,232 --> 00:52:47,267
You want a party, too?!

1159
00:52:47,371 --> 00:52:48,958
The detective saves the day.

1160
00:52:49,062 --> 00:52:53,170
So I definitely think Karen
will marry him after the movie.

1161
00:52:53,273 --> 00:52:55,413
I remember Juan Ramirez
very well.

1162
00:52:55,517 --> 00:52:57,070
I can actually see his face.

1163
00:52:57,174 --> 00:53:00,177
He had such a kind of, you know,
physical "corpability."

1164
00:53:00,280 --> 00:53:02,040
I mean, he was really
quite extraordinary.

1165
00:53:02,144 --> 00:53:05,285
I am telling you the truth.
Why won't you believe me?

1166
00:53:05,389 --> 00:53:08,392
I find scenes like that
to be tricky.

1167
00:53:08,495 --> 00:53:10,048
You know, where responsible

1168
00:53:10,152 --> 00:53:12,672
adults are like
talking nonsense.

1169
00:53:12,775 --> 00:53:15,640
Because I'm saying,
Mrs. Barclay, sane and rational.

1170
00:53:15,744 --> 00:53:18,160
One of the difficulties
with playing a character

1171
00:53:18,264 --> 00:53:19,748
like Mike Norris is that,

1172
00:53:19,851 --> 00:53:22,647
in a way, he's the person
who has to be convinced.

1173
00:53:22,751 --> 00:53:25,926
It's just so frustrating
to convince

1174
00:53:26,030 --> 00:53:27,480
someone that something happened.

1175
00:53:27,583 --> 00:53:30,034
For the last time,
Mrs. Barclay, good night.

1176
00:53:30,137 --> 00:53:31,656
Oh, my. Damn!

1177
00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:37,869
And I think Catherine and Chris
totally sold that stuff.

1178
00:53:37,973 --> 00:53:41,321
I think that the scene
when Chucky attacks Mike Norris

1179
00:53:41,425 --> 00:53:43,358
in the car is exciting.

1180
00:53:43,461 --> 00:53:45,946
I have a very vivid memory
of Chucky in the car.

1181
00:53:46,050 --> 00:53:48,155
And all of a sudden,
Chucky comes up behind him

1182
00:53:48,259 --> 00:53:51,987
and tries to strangle him with
the wires while he's driving.

1183
00:53:55,128 --> 00:53:56,647
Good night, asshole.

1184
00:53:56,750 --> 00:53:59,822
We used about everything
that we had in that car sequence

1185
00:53:59,926 --> 00:54:01,583
and it turned out fantastic.

1186
00:54:01,686 --> 00:54:04,413
I think that was probably
the best sequence in the movie.

1187
00:54:04,517 --> 00:54:06,035
It was really scary.

1188
00:54:06,139 --> 00:54:09,246
Aah!

1189
00:54:09,349 --> 00:54:12,421
That blade comes up
between his legs.

1190
00:54:12,525 --> 00:54:16,563
Every male
in that audience went, "Aah!"

1191
00:54:16,667 --> 00:54:20,326
I still get men coming up to me
and saying, "Man,

1192
00:54:20,429 --> 00:54:21,749
you know that scene
with the knife

1193
00:54:21,810 --> 00:54:24,295
is coming up between your nuts?
Jesus!"

1194
00:54:27,540 --> 00:54:29,818
What was going on visually

1195
00:54:29,921 --> 00:54:32,924
influenced my vocal performance
in that case.

1196
00:54:33,028 --> 00:54:35,962
The puppeteers did really well,
I thought, in that.

1197
00:54:36,065 --> 00:54:37,791
Aah!

1198
00:54:37,895 --> 00:54:39,276
Geez! Look out!

1199
00:54:39,379 --> 00:54:43,176
There's a lot of action-movie
DNA...

1200
00:54:43,280 --> 00:54:48,630
car chases and explosions
and cops.

1201
00:54:48,733 --> 00:54:54,463
Aaaah!

1202
00:54:54,567 --> 00:54:56,327
So the sequence
where Chris Sarandon

1203
00:54:56,431 --> 00:54:58,605
gets into the car accident,
the car flips over,

1204
00:54:58,709 --> 00:55:01,367
all that wide stuff
was shot in Chicago.

1205
00:55:01,470 --> 00:55:05,025
We actually took out
a Panasonic camera in that scene

1206
00:55:05,129 --> 00:55:07,407
because the car skidded
on its roof further

1207
00:55:07,511 --> 00:55:08,822
than any of us thought,

1208
00:55:08,926 --> 00:55:11,204
and we had a camera
there shooting the scene

1209
00:55:11,308 --> 00:55:13,689
and it wiped out the camera.

1210
00:55:13,793 --> 00:55:16,382
Hi, Mikey!

1211
00:55:16,485 --> 00:55:19,730
There were so many
sort of vivid, iconic, in a way,

1212
00:55:19,833 --> 00:55:22,008
moments that occurred
in that scene.

1213
00:55:22,111 --> 00:55:24,735
We built a little, you know,
street, lit it,

1214
00:55:24,838 --> 00:55:26,540
wet down the pavement
like you do in movies.

1215
00:55:26,564 --> 00:55:28,635
And Chris was fantastic.
He's upside down.

1216
00:55:28,739 --> 00:55:30,534
He never complained
about any of that stuff.

1217
00:55:30,637 --> 00:55:32,777
Yeah, well, it wasn't fun.

1218
00:55:32,881 --> 00:55:35,297
We had an elevated platform
that had the street

1219
00:55:35,401 --> 00:55:36,747
and all the surroundings,

1220
00:55:36,850 --> 00:55:39,681
and we did a combination
of using the half puppet

1221
00:55:39,784 --> 00:55:42,891
and then a little person actor,
and we built a suit.

1222
00:55:42,994 --> 00:55:44,513
I also made the costumes

1223
00:55:44,617 --> 00:55:46,688
for the human stand-in
little person.

1224
00:55:46,791 --> 00:55:48,897
And then we used
a Bunraku method,

1225
00:55:49,000 --> 00:55:52,349
where we put one of our stuffed
dolls in front on rods

1226
00:55:52,452 --> 00:55:54,385
that hooked to
a puppeteer's legs.

1227
00:55:56,594 --> 00:55:58,296
They thought maybe this
wouldn't cut together

1228
00:55:58,320 --> 00:56:00,598
because inside, outside,
upside down car,

1229
00:56:00,702 --> 00:56:03,059
how's this going to work, but it
all cut together beautifully.

1230
00:56:03,083 --> 00:56:06,708
Almost every scene was
a composite of different shots

1231
00:56:06,811 --> 00:56:07,916
to fool the eye.

1232
00:56:08,019 --> 00:56:10,712
And that's all piecemeal,
put together

1233
00:56:10,815 --> 00:56:13,853
piece by piece by piece by Tom
and his team.

1234
00:56:16,062 --> 00:56:17,891
Aaaaaah!

1235
00:56:17,995 --> 00:56:22,689
After Chucky attacks Detective
Mike Norris in his car,

1236
00:56:22,793 --> 00:56:26,900
the very fabric of reality as he
knows it has been torn asunder.

1237
00:56:29,144 --> 00:56:33,010
Walking in that set with all
the voodoo, that is so creepy.

1238
00:56:33,113 --> 00:56:36,393
It's so pagan, and, you know,
like a devil church.

1239
00:56:36,496 --> 00:56:38,256
And Chris appears and taps
her shoulder

1240
00:56:38,360 --> 00:56:39,568
and scares
the hell out of her.

1241
00:56:39,672 --> 00:56:40,776
Karen.

1242
00:56:40,880 --> 00:56:42,468
He has this, you would think,

1243
00:56:42,571 --> 00:56:45,540
very memorable interaction
with this killer doll,

1244
00:56:45,643 --> 00:56:48,301
and one would presume
would probably be experiencing

1245
00:56:48,405 --> 00:56:50,441
some kind of
existential crisis.

1246
00:56:50,545 --> 00:56:54,928
And yet, when he meets Karen,
he doesn't say it.

1247
00:56:55,032 --> 00:56:57,483
She's in
Charles Lee Ray's apartment

1248
00:56:57,586 --> 00:57:00,451
and the walls are covered
with voodoo signs.

1249
00:57:00,555 --> 00:57:03,454
It was in there
and the dialog was trimmed.

1250
00:57:03,558 --> 00:57:05,629
You know, that's
a very interesting point,

1251
00:57:05,732 --> 00:57:08,597
that he now knows Chucky
'cause he attacked him,

1252
00:57:08,701 --> 00:57:10,565
and he doesn't tell me that.

1253
00:57:10,668 --> 00:57:13,775
These are called
"don't ask" moments.

1254
00:57:13,878 --> 00:57:17,019
And as an actor, you just
have to go with the flow.

1255
00:57:17,123 --> 00:57:19,332
I'm surprised more people
haven't noticed that.

1256
00:57:19,436 --> 00:57:21,610
Why wouldn't he say,
"I believe you now"?

1257
00:57:21,714 --> 00:57:23,888
That would have been
a great moment.

1258
00:57:23,992 --> 00:57:25,234
Hi.

1259
00:57:25,338 --> 00:57:27,409
It's me. Chucky.

1260
00:57:27,513 --> 00:57:28,755
What do you think?

1261
00:57:28,859 --> 00:57:30,377
I have to get myself
out of that,

1262
00:57:30,481 --> 00:57:31,758
or I'm stuck in the doll.

1263
00:57:31,862 --> 00:57:36,107
The more time you spend
in that body,

1264
00:57:36,211 --> 00:57:37,661
the more human you become.

1265
00:57:37,764 --> 00:57:39,490
That's what he is scared of,

1266
00:57:39,594 --> 00:57:41,872
by making him terrified
of oblivion.

1267
00:57:41,975 --> 00:57:43,770
That was where all of his anger
came from.

1268
00:57:43,874 --> 00:57:46,463
And that's why you can't
negotiate with him. He means it.

1269
00:57:46,566 --> 00:57:48,568
You got me into this.
You get me out.

1270
00:57:48,672 --> 00:57:50,328
I can't do that, Chucky.

1271
00:57:50,432 --> 00:57:52,883
I built Dr. Death's
kitchen oversized,

1272
00:57:52,986 --> 00:57:55,782
and I put a little person
in the Chucky suit.

1273
00:57:55,886 --> 00:57:58,509
And I had him play a scene
with Dr. Death

1274
00:57:58,613 --> 00:58:01,201
because he could move up
and down the counter.

1275
00:58:01,305 --> 00:58:04,411
The production designer
built us... built sets

1276
00:58:04,515 --> 00:58:06,137
that were 30% larger.

1277
00:58:06,241 --> 00:58:08,968
And I had him throwing dishes,
and it was a terrific scene.

1278
00:58:09,071 --> 00:58:11,384
And they ended up, you know,
cutting all of that.

1279
00:58:11,488 --> 00:58:14,560
You know, I thought something
like this might happen.

1280
00:58:14,663 --> 00:58:16,389
That's why I prepared for it.

1281
00:58:16,493 --> 00:58:17,804
What are you talking about?

1282
00:58:17,908 --> 00:58:20,289
So the sequence where we kill
Dr. Death,

1283
00:58:20,393 --> 00:58:21,498
that was a long shoot.

1284
00:58:21,601 --> 00:58:23,085
Today you'd probably do it
all CG.

1285
00:58:23,189 --> 00:58:25,029
But there was something magical
about the puppet.

1286
00:58:25,053 --> 00:58:28,366
There was real specifics,
and we utilized all the puppets.

1287
00:58:28,470 --> 00:58:29,747
And there was a lot of rigging,

1288
00:58:29,851 --> 00:58:31,611
a lot of trickery
that we had to do.

1289
00:58:31,715 --> 00:58:33,958
We also had to build
a Dr. Death voodoo doll,

1290
00:58:34,062 --> 00:58:36,409
which my older brother Jeff,
who's a sculptor,

1291
00:58:36,513 --> 00:58:38,584
sculpted the head
to match the actor.

1292
00:58:38,687 --> 00:58:41,241
Your own personal mojo, Doc.

1293
00:58:41,345 --> 00:58:43,174
Give me that.

1294
00:58:43,278 --> 00:58:46,108
He has the voodoo doll there,
and it's in his hands.

1295
00:58:46,212 --> 00:58:49,802
I think that is one
of the first iconic moments

1296
00:58:49,905 --> 00:58:52,805
of the franchise,
is Chucky causing this horrible,

1297
00:58:52,908 --> 00:58:55,324
torturous death to someone.

1298
00:58:58,224 --> 00:59:01,434
Yeah.

1299
00:59:01,538 --> 00:59:03,022
It's been fun.

1300
00:59:03,125 --> 00:59:06,922
Why he's able to kill
Dr. Death is because he can

1301
00:59:07,026 --> 00:59:11,340
and he fucking well
feels like it.

1302
00:59:11,444 --> 00:59:13,101
Oh, my God.

1303
00:59:13,204 --> 00:59:14,723
I had to leave him alive

1304
00:59:14,827 --> 00:59:16,967
so Dr. Death
could tell Catherine and Chris.

1305
00:59:17,070 --> 00:59:21,868
It's the only way...
through the heart.

1306
00:59:21,972 --> 00:59:24,871
It's very creepy, and it's
a bit of a spooky scene.

1307
00:59:24,975 --> 00:59:28,116
And that propels you
into your third act.

1308
00:59:28,219 --> 00:59:32,016
There is a scene when Alex is
in a mental facility.

1309
00:59:32,120 --> 00:59:35,261
I found an insane asylum
that had been abandoned

1310
00:59:35,364 --> 00:59:36,676
outside of Chicago.

1311
00:59:36,780 --> 00:59:38,471
It was built in the 1800s,

1312
00:59:38,575 --> 00:59:41,301
which is one of the scariest
places I have ever been into.

1313
00:59:41,405 --> 00:59:43,545
The building was very imposing
I remember.

1314
00:59:43,649 --> 00:59:45,720
It looked
very kind of institutional.

1315
00:59:45,823 --> 00:59:48,274
I was looking at the set of
where Andy was

1316
00:59:48,377 --> 00:59:49,724
and I was like, "Jesus,

1317
00:59:49,827 --> 00:59:51,253
this looks like Frankenstein's
dungeon."

1318
00:59:51,277 --> 00:59:53,900
The first time all the
puppeteers came together

1319
00:59:54,004 --> 00:59:56,869
as one was a shot
where Chucky is walking outside,

1320
00:59:56,972 --> 00:59:59,457
which was literally wired
to this ledge,

1321
00:59:59,561 --> 01:00:02,426
and Andy looks down
and he sees, here comes Chucky.

1322
01:00:02,529 --> 01:00:04,152
He calls out for help.

1323
01:00:04,255 --> 01:00:08,432
Help me, help me!
Dr. Ardmore, Chucky's here!

1324
01:00:08,535 --> 01:00:09,935
It's the scene
where he has to cry.

1325
01:00:09,985 --> 01:00:12,574
I was really worried about
how is this kid

1326
01:00:12,678 --> 01:00:14,749
going to show deep emotions?

1327
01:00:14,852 --> 01:00:17,717
I was concerned because we have
a six year old

1328
01:00:17,821 --> 01:00:19,754
that we're dealing with,
and my job

1329
01:00:19,857 --> 01:00:21,859
is to teach him during the day,

1330
01:00:21,963 --> 01:00:25,760
and also to make sure that
his welfare is taken care of.

1331
01:00:25,863 --> 01:00:28,694
The hardest part of making
the first film

1332
01:00:28,797 --> 01:00:32,042
was probably the anxiety
leading up to that crying scene.

1333
01:00:32,145 --> 01:00:34,700
Please don't leave me.
Please.

1334
01:00:34,803 --> 01:00:36,909
I think everybody else's memory

1335
01:00:37,012 --> 01:00:39,359
was that Tom was being
a little harsh with me.

1336
01:00:39,463 --> 01:00:41,638
There was a certain
controversy about that.

1337
01:00:41,741 --> 01:00:44,019
We were talking about things
like my parents

1338
01:00:44,123 --> 01:00:45,918
getting divorced
and things like that.

1339
01:00:46,021 --> 01:00:48,955
Well, in order to get
that heartbreaking truth,

1340
01:00:49,059 --> 01:00:52,821
it had to be made real to
the young actor and it was.

1341
01:00:52,925 --> 01:00:55,617
We spoke with him about
what was going to happen

1342
01:00:55,721 --> 01:00:58,102
and... and the sadness
that he would feel.

1343
01:00:58,206 --> 01:01:00,553
Alex has a very soft voice,
you know,

1344
01:01:00,657 --> 01:01:02,037
and he couldn't get
the volume up.

1345
01:01:02,141 --> 01:01:03,912
And I hear Tom on the other side
of the stage,

1346
01:01:03,936 --> 01:01:05,523
"I can't hear you, damn it,

1347
01:01:05,627 --> 01:01:07,111
I can't hear you, Alex!
Louder!"

1348
01:01:07,215 --> 01:01:08,779
And he would get louder
and louder and louder.

1349
01:01:08,803 --> 01:01:10,252
So I kept having him do it,

1350
01:01:10,356 --> 01:01:14,015
and I had him do it again
and again and again.

1351
01:01:14,118 --> 01:01:15,879
"You got to do this.
We need this.

1352
01:01:15,982 --> 01:01:19,710
I got to have you go to tears.
You got to cry. Again.

1353
01:01:19,814 --> 01:01:21,816
No, you didn't go to tears.
Again."

1354
01:01:21,919 --> 01:01:24,715
He got so upset
that he went to tears.

1355
01:01:24,819 --> 01:01:26,406
And you really feel for him.

1356
01:01:26,510 --> 01:01:29,168
Part of me says, do what
you need to get the moment.

1357
01:01:29,271 --> 01:01:31,273
But the director knew
information

1358
01:01:31,377 --> 01:01:35,381
and was screaming out about
this little boy's home life

1359
01:01:35,484 --> 01:01:36,796
and got him to cry.

1360
01:01:36,900 --> 01:01:38,384
It was kind of the anxiety,

1361
01:01:38,487 --> 01:01:40,731
the moment that really helped me
start crying.

1362
01:01:40,835 --> 01:01:42,768
And I turned to his mother
and said,

1363
01:01:42,871 --> 01:01:45,632
"We can stop this if you're
uncomfortable with this,

1364
01:01:45,736 --> 01:01:47,393
because he's crying."

1365
01:01:47,496 --> 01:01:50,810
And she said, "No, no,
it's... it's fine, it's fine.

1366
01:01:50,914 --> 01:01:53,157
This is what he needs
to get to that point."

1367
01:01:53,261 --> 01:01:54,607
The cry was real.

1368
01:01:54,711 --> 01:01:56,831
I mean, it was just he started
slipping down that door

1369
01:01:56,920 --> 01:01:58,266
and broke into... into tears.

1370
01:01:58,369 --> 01:01:59,968
And it was a, you know,
wonderful moment.

1371
01:01:59,992 --> 01:02:01,579
And I remember saying,
"It's okay, Tom,

1372
01:02:01,683 --> 01:02:03,202
I'll keep crying,"
and my memory of it

1373
01:02:03,305 --> 01:02:05,756
was that he was just
a very intense kind of on set.

1374
01:02:05,860 --> 01:02:08,759
And... And then afterwards, you
know, when we weren't on set,

1375
01:02:08,863 --> 01:02:10,588
he was much more gentle
and sweet.

1376
01:02:10,692 --> 01:02:12,556
But I think it was maybe
a lot of pressure.

1377
01:02:12,659 --> 01:02:14,006
Alex is great in the scene

1378
01:02:14,109 --> 01:02:15,870
and doesn't seem to have
suffered from it.

1379
01:02:15,973 --> 01:02:17,837
Ultimately, it didn't go
on that long.

1380
01:02:17,941 --> 01:02:19,874
It was a small moment.
I think it's fine.

1381
01:02:19,977 --> 01:02:21,634
We were concerned that Alex
might turn

1382
01:02:21,738 --> 01:02:25,189
into a serial killer later
in life after this experience,

1383
01:02:25,293 --> 01:02:27,502
but obviously he hasn't,
so that's great.

1384
01:02:27,605 --> 01:02:30,712
That's absolutely true. There's
no... There's no, uh... Yeah.

1385
01:02:34,336 --> 01:02:36,822
Chucky comes around and he
sees one of the attendants,

1386
01:02:36,925 --> 01:02:37,961
you know, at his desk.

1387
01:02:38,064 --> 01:02:40,170
At the kickoff party,

1388
01:02:40,273 --> 01:02:42,689
Tom, the director, turned
and was like,

1389
01:02:42,793 --> 01:02:45,140
okay, I'm going to give you
a chance to act

1390
01:02:45,244 --> 01:02:46,901
and you can be the orderly.

1391
01:02:47,004 --> 01:02:49,593
I went from PA to the part
of the orderly

1392
01:02:49,696 --> 01:02:52,561
for one night of non-PA abuse.

1393
01:02:52,665 --> 01:02:54,184
And I had my big scene

1394
01:02:54,287 --> 01:02:57,049
and it was like my Ralph Kramden
moment where I was like.

1395
01:02:57,152 --> 01:02:58,474
Humina, humina, humina,
humina, humina, I mean...

1396
01:03:00,017 --> 01:03:04,366
I get residual checks
from that movie for $7

1397
01:03:04,470 --> 01:03:09,406
every two years from cable
for my elbow.

1398
01:03:09,509 --> 01:03:11,926
Andy stop!

1399
01:03:12,029 --> 01:03:13,479
- Wait a minute.
- Stop him!

1400
01:03:13,582 --> 01:03:18,035
I also loved the
electrocution of Doctor Ardmore.

1401
01:03:18,139 --> 01:03:23,006
It corresponded to the scene
in my "Blood Buddy" script

1402
01:03:23,109 --> 01:03:25,111
when buddy kills the dentist.

1403
01:03:25,215 --> 01:03:30,047
And it's also Chucky
using a doctor's tools

1404
01:03:30,151 --> 01:03:31,877
of the trade against him.

1405
01:03:31,980 --> 01:03:34,914
He's the doctor who thinks
the little boy is mad,

1406
01:03:35,018 --> 01:03:37,365
and he wants to give him
electric shocks,

1407
01:03:37,468 --> 01:03:38,607
and instead he gets it.

1408
01:03:38,711 --> 01:03:40,333
There's something
very funny to me

1409
01:03:40,437 --> 01:03:42,266
about the way it's shot.

1410
01:03:42,370 --> 01:03:45,925
Chucky slashes the doctor
when he goes down,

1411
01:03:46,029 --> 01:03:47,237
and Chucky runs by him,

1412
01:03:47,340 --> 01:03:48,963
and he just pops
this little hat on it.

1413
01:03:49,066 --> 01:03:50,896
It's almost like,
"Here, wear this."

1414
01:03:50,999 --> 01:03:53,588
Unless you see Chucky
with your own eyes,

1415
01:03:53,691 --> 01:03:55,245
you'll never believe
that he's alive.

1416
01:03:55,348 --> 01:03:57,419
And by the time you see
that he's alive,

1417
01:03:57,523 --> 01:04:00,008
it's probably too late
to ever tell anyone about it.

1418
01:04:02,045 --> 01:04:03,712
Yeah, there's like
three guys on the face.

1419
01:04:03,736 --> 01:04:05,462
There's two guys on the arms.

1420
01:04:05,565 --> 01:04:08,154
There's a guy doing the body.
There's a guy doing the head.

1421
01:04:10,260 --> 01:04:12,607
When I put the electric
shock things on the doctor,

1422
01:04:12,710 --> 01:04:17,025
I put blood in his eyes so that
when he started to go to shock,

1423
01:04:17,129 --> 01:04:18,623
the eyes would look like
they were bleeding.

1424
01:04:18,647 --> 01:04:20,004
There were things they
didn't want me to see.

1425
01:04:20,028 --> 01:04:21,236
Doctor Ardmore's death

1426
01:04:21,340 --> 01:04:22,859
when they
were electrocuting him.

1427
01:04:22,962 --> 01:04:24,412
Even though it goes back to me.

1428
01:04:24,515 --> 01:04:27,035
And just the fact
that Andy is witnessing it.

1429
01:04:27,139 --> 01:04:28,865
Alex Vincent was great
the way he's going.

1430
01:04:28,968 --> 01:04:31,315
Stop! Stop!

1431
01:04:31,419 --> 01:04:33,800
If I'm not sharing the screen
with anything,

1432
01:04:33,904 --> 01:04:35,078
I probably wasn't there.

1433
01:04:35,181 --> 01:04:36,907
So if it switched
to my reaction,

1434
01:04:37,011 --> 01:04:38,391
they were able
to keep me shielded

1435
01:04:38,495 --> 01:04:40,428
from some of
the more gruesome things.

1436
01:04:40,531 --> 01:04:42,568
We had an excellent
social worker

1437
01:04:42,671 --> 01:04:44,018
on the set
with a little boy,

1438
01:04:44,121 --> 01:04:45,295
and I'm sure
she took him away

1439
01:04:45,398 --> 01:04:46,952
and protected him
from all that.

1440
01:04:47,055 --> 01:04:48,885
That's my important job,

1441
01:04:48,988 --> 01:04:51,197
and making sure
that he goes to school

1442
01:04:51,301 --> 01:04:56,168
and that he is not impacted
by this horror movie.

1443
01:04:56,271 --> 01:04:58,929
There's a great scene
when Chucky's going up

1444
01:04:59,033 --> 01:05:01,173
in a cage elevator,

1445
01:05:01,276 --> 01:05:03,175
and a woman comes in
and she looks

1446
01:05:03,278 --> 01:05:04,693
at Chucky
and she says...

1447
01:05:04,797 --> 01:05:06,350
"Ugly doll."

1448
01:05:06,454 --> 01:05:08,870
Brad Dourif ad-libbed lines.
I think he said,

1449
01:05:08,974 --> 01:05:11,045
"Fuck you."
That was my ad lib.

1450
01:05:11,148 --> 01:05:13,461
I just said, wait a minute.

1451
01:05:13,564 --> 01:05:15,004
I think we need
to do something here.

1452
01:05:15,083 --> 01:05:16,740
That was brilliant
because it fit

1453
01:05:16,843 --> 01:05:18,190
and it was appropriate.

1454
01:05:18,293 --> 01:05:20,364
It was really great.
He's such a great actor.

1455
01:05:20,468 --> 01:05:22,273
You know, I can't predict
if it's going to get

1456
01:05:22,297 --> 01:05:24,541
a laugh or not,
but I know if it's timed well.

1457
01:05:24,644 --> 01:05:27,268
To me, that was the moment
Chucky's personality was born,

1458
01:05:27,371 --> 01:05:30,547
a really important moment
in the history of this film.

1459
01:05:30,650 --> 01:05:33,722
Murder, mayhem
and ad-libbed humor aside,

1460
01:05:33,826 --> 01:05:37,243
many on the production felt they
had at last found their footing

1461
01:05:37,347 --> 01:05:40,557
just in time for the film's
ultimate showdown.

1462
01:05:42,076 --> 01:05:45,148
The U8 group
wanted us to just end it.

1463
01:05:45,251 --> 01:05:46,908
Tom got the
entire crew together

1464
01:05:47,012 --> 01:05:48,289
and was asking us
for ideas

1465
01:05:48,392 --> 01:05:50,015
because he was
just kind of burnt.

1466
01:05:50,118 --> 01:05:51,958
I was under such pressure
about how to end it.

1467
01:05:51,982 --> 01:05:53,328
I originally wanted to end it

1468
01:05:53,432 --> 01:05:56,297
with Andy using his toys
to fight Chucky,

1469
01:05:56,400 --> 01:05:57,850
and there were
all the toys around,

1470
01:05:57,954 --> 01:05:59,886
including al
the battery-powered cars

1471
01:05:59,990 --> 01:06:01,164
and trucks
and everything.

1472
01:06:01,267 --> 01:06:02,658
Even though the details
in my script

1473
01:06:02,682 --> 01:06:04,374
were somewhat different
from what ended up

1474
01:06:04,477 --> 01:06:06,100
in Tom's version
in the movie,

1475
01:06:06,203 --> 01:06:08,309
it's still the basically
the same idea.

1476
01:06:08,412 --> 01:06:12,209
We're using
childhood toys and games

1477
01:06:12,313 --> 01:06:14,211
as weapons and strategy.

1478
01:06:14,315 --> 01:06:16,006
I got real tired of the house.

1479
01:06:16,110 --> 01:06:17,870
I thought, is the audience
going to get tired

1480
01:06:17,939 --> 01:06:19,389
of all we do is in the house?

1481
01:06:19,492 --> 01:06:21,115
It was towards the end
of the shooting,

1482
01:06:21,218 --> 01:06:22,461
and Chucky was going to end up

1483
01:06:22,564 --> 01:06:24,221
on the roof
at the end of the movie.

1484
01:06:24,325 --> 01:06:26,051
Financially,
that became impossible,

1485
01:06:26,154 --> 01:06:27,752
so he needed to come up
with a new ending.

1486
01:06:27,776 --> 01:06:32,229
I wanted the final showdown
to be in the home,

1487
01:06:32,333 --> 01:06:34,473
you know, recognizable milieu.

1488
01:06:34,576 --> 01:06:36,026
Give me the power.

1489
01:06:36,130 --> 01:06:37,959
I beg of you.

1490
01:06:38,063 --> 01:06:39,167
Andy!

1491
01:06:41,894 --> 01:06:43,102
No!

1492
01:06:43,206 --> 01:06:45,035
I think Karen,
by being a mother,

1493
01:06:45,139 --> 01:06:47,555
is by nature strong
and protective

1494
01:06:47,658 --> 01:06:49,281
and not a girly victim.

1495
01:06:52,353 --> 01:06:55,459
And he stabs Mike in the leg

1496
01:06:55,563 --> 01:06:57,599
and then Catherine Hicks
has to take over.

1497
01:06:57,703 --> 01:06:59,946
It was sort of fun.
Karen gets to be,

1498
01:07:00,050 --> 01:07:01,603
you know, a badass a bit.

1499
01:07:01,707 --> 01:07:04,330
One of my favorite scenes
is when Chucky

1500
01:07:04,434 --> 01:07:07,264
is thrown into the fireplace
and Chucky says,

1501
01:07:07,368 --> 01:07:09,508
We're friends to the end,
remember?

1502
01:07:09,611 --> 01:07:12,235
I deliver a line which
is one of the iconic lines

1503
01:07:12,338 --> 01:07:13,581
of the entire franchise.

1504
01:07:13,684 --> 01:07:16,584
This isthe end, friend.

1505
01:07:16,687 --> 01:07:18,896
When I shot that scene
with Tom Holland

1506
01:07:19,000 --> 01:07:20,726
and he really wanted
that emphasis on

1507
01:07:20,829 --> 01:07:22,624
"This isthe end, friend,"

1508
01:07:22,728 --> 01:07:25,128
And he grabbed me and picked me
up and threw me up in the air

1509
01:07:25,213 --> 01:07:26,835
with excitement
after I nailed it.

1510
01:07:26,939 --> 01:07:29,286
We had a rod puppet in there
that we could light on fire,

1511
01:07:29,390 --> 01:07:31,633
and we had rods coming out
the back of the fireplace.

1512
01:07:31,737 --> 01:07:34,050
The only thing that I didn't
want to see on set

1513
01:07:34,153 --> 01:07:36,155
was them set
Ed Gayle on fire.

1514
01:07:36,259 --> 01:07:38,019
I was afraid
of something going wrong.

1515
01:07:38,123 --> 01:07:41,126
That's Ed Gale
in a Chucky costume.

1516
01:07:41,229 --> 01:07:43,507
And now, go.
Action! One!

1517
01:07:43,611 --> 01:07:46,407
That was terrifying to me
because he was on fire.

1518
01:07:48,719 --> 01:07:50,307
We ended up lighting
the Makita Chucky

1519
01:07:50,411 --> 01:07:51,619
on fire at the end,

1520
01:07:51,722 --> 01:07:53,276
and it was
a self-contained Chucky

1521
01:07:53,379 --> 01:07:55,623
that kicked its hands
and kicked its legs,

1522
01:07:55,726 --> 01:07:58,315
and the guys had taken
a Makita drill apart

1523
01:07:58,419 --> 01:07:59,730
and the thing would spin.

1524
01:07:59,834 --> 01:08:01,111
It was super loud,

1525
01:08:01,215 --> 01:08:03,251
so all that stuff
had to be ADRed later.

1526
01:08:03,355 --> 01:08:07,048
ADR was a lot of screaming
and yelling

1527
01:08:07,152 --> 01:08:08,360
and that kind of thing.

1528
01:08:08,463 --> 01:08:10,431
No! Ah!

1529
01:08:13,641 --> 01:08:16,126
It was one of those things
where before I did it,

1530
01:08:16,229 --> 01:08:18,404
the mic over there,
I walked around the room

1531
01:08:18,508 --> 01:08:20,682
and I breathed for I don't know
how long in that scene,

1532
01:08:20,786 --> 01:08:24,790
but it was forever
that I was screaming in agony

1533
01:08:24,893 --> 01:08:28,033
at the top of my lungs.

1534
01:08:28,138 --> 01:08:29,587
Oh, my baby.

1535
01:08:29,691 --> 01:08:32,694
The ending is relentless.
There's no killing him.

1536
01:08:32,798 --> 01:08:34,696
And that is the horror
of the movie.

1537
01:08:34,800 --> 01:08:39,184
I think it was a really well
orchestrated finale.

1538
01:08:39,287 --> 01:08:40,805
This was the beginning
of showing

1539
01:08:40,908 --> 01:08:42,600
Chucky's indestructible side.

1540
01:08:42,703 --> 01:08:45,086
Back in the 80s, you know,
they never just killed anything.

1541
01:08:45,189 --> 01:08:46,639
So this followed suit.

1542
01:08:46,743 --> 01:08:48,124
I'll be back.

1543
01:08:48,227 --> 01:08:51,403
Chucky is very much
the Terminator,

1544
01:08:51,506 --> 01:08:53,094
and nothing is stopping him.

1545
01:08:53,198 --> 01:08:54,509
It's like
the Terminator bunny.

1546
01:08:56,477 --> 01:08:58,548
Very Terminator inspired.

1547
01:08:58,651 --> 01:09:00,284
Well, Chucky is a little
mini Terminator.

1548
01:09:00,308 --> 01:09:01,377
You can't kill him.

1549
01:09:03,760 --> 01:09:05,175
Hello, Andy.

1550
01:09:05,279 --> 01:09:07,660
I poured up a black foam
latex skin of Chucky,

1551
01:09:07,764 --> 01:09:09,524
and I had to put it
on the mechanism.

1552
01:09:09,627 --> 01:09:12,113
And then I physically took
a torch and burned the parts

1553
01:09:12,216 --> 01:09:13,631
while they were
on this mechanism.

1554
01:09:13,734 --> 01:09:15,944
It's like, okay, well,
we should stay tonight

1555
01:09:16,048 --> 01:09:18,326
and build all this stuff.
We were on set. By the way.

1556
01:09:18,430 --> 01:09:20,466
Kevin and I worked
through the night

1557
01:09:20,569 --> 01:09:23,089
to get all those skins ready,
all the melted stuff.

1558
01:09:23,193 --> 01:09:24,757
We added some silicone
and different things

1559
01:09:24,781 --> 01:09:27,749
to make it look like
it was half fleshy, half burnt.

1560
01:09:27,853 --> 01:09:29,924
It reminded me of
"American Werewolf in London,"

1561
01:09:30,027 --> 01:09:33,203
the Jack character at the end,
he's rotting and falling apart.

1562
01:09:33,307 --> 01:09:35,240
He dies like 16 times,
I think, in the end.

1563
01:09:35,343 --> 01:09:37,380
Oh, be serious, would you?

1564
01:09:37,483 --> 01:09:39,209
A lot happens to Chucky,
you know.

1565
01:09:39,313 --> 01:09:40,842
He gets burned, he gets shot,
he gets everything.

1566
01:09:40,866 --> 01:09:44,109
Then, as scripted,
Mike picks up a baseball bat

1567
01:09:44,214 --> 01:09:45,571
and knocks Chucky's head off.

1568
01:09:45,595 --> 01:09:47,216
Chris Sarandon was meant
to show up

1569
01:09:47,321 --> 01:09:48,874
from the side bedroom
with a bat

1570
01:09:48,977 --> 01:09:50,288
and knock the head off.

1571
01:09:50,393 --> 01:09:51,911
So that's how we
actually shot it.

1572
01:09:52,015 --> 01:09:53,820
I did get the baseball bat
out of that moment,

1573
01:09:53,844 --> 01:09:55,501
but then I was being forced
to cut it.

1574
01:09:55,605 --> 01:09:57,065
You can't see it,
I've tried to slow it down

1575
01:09:57,089 --> 01:09:58,780
and see it,
the head just is gone.

1576
01:09:58,884 --> 01:10:01,507
And it's Chris hitting the head
so hard that it just removed it

1577
01:10:01,611 --> 01:10:03,613
and it bounced down
the hallway perfectly.

1578
01:10:03,716 --> 01:10:08,859
I blew his head off
with a gun.

1579
01:10:08,963 --> 01:10:13,001
I blew off an arm.

1580
01:10:13,105 --> 01:10:17,489
I shot off a leg.

1581
01:10:17,592 --> 01:10:22,218
And then the thing was crawling.

1582
01:10:22,321 --> 01:10:24,806
And then finally it seemed
like he was dead.

1583
01:10:24,910 --> 01:10:28,051
And Karen's helping Chris
up in the bedroom,

1584
01:10:28,154 --> 01:10:29,880
and her son is traumatized.

1585
01:10:29,984 --> 01:10:31,434
The kid was right.

1586
01:10:31,537 --> 01:10:33,746
The doll's alive.
He almost got the three of us.

1587
01:10:33,850 --> 01:10:35,403
Come on.
What are you talking about?

1588
01:10:35,507 --> 01:10:37,923
Ironically,
his partner is the skeptic,

1589
01:10:38,026 --> 01:10:39,614
and Mike is now the believer.

1590
01:10:39,718 --> 01:10:40,718
So I was going,

1591
01:10:40,753 --> 01:10:43,618
what's the most relaxed,
kind of,

1592
01:10:43,722 --> 01:10:46,621
"This doll?
Give me a break."

1593
01:10:46,725 --> 01:10:48,520
Like I was above it,
you know.

1594
01:10:48,623 --> 01:10:50,625
- And then it gets me.
- And bang!

1595
01:10:53,973 --> 01:10:56,631
So I don't know how Chucky
got through the air vent.

1596
01:10:56,735 --> 01:10:58,920
That, to me, didn't make sense
when we were shooting it.

1597
01:10:58,944 --> 01:11:00,980
The way that thing moved.
I can hear it.

1598
01:11:01,084 --> 01:11:02,568
That was an interesting device.

1599
01:11:02,672 --> 01:11:04,512
I'm sure it would work
very differently now, you know.

1600
01:11:04,536 --> 01:11:05,847
I'll kill him now.

1601
01:11:05,951 --> 01:11:07,377
I'll strangle him!

1602
01:11:07,401 --> 01:11:08,988
Oh! Let go!

1603
01:11:09,092 --> 01:11:11,543
You know, there was a lot
of screaming and yelling.

1604
01:11:11,646 --> 01:11:13,821
I mean, I said, okay,
don't hold back.

1605
01:11:13,924 --> 01:11:16,306
You got to threaten this guy
with everything you have.

1606
01:11:16,410 --> 01:11:18,274
And I screamed.

1607
01:11:18,377 --> 01:11:21,587
I don't know,
The folks from the studio

1608
01:11:21,691 --> 01:11:23,900
thought that maybe
that was a little much.

1609
01:11:24,003 --> 01:11:25,557
And everybody's in shock.

1610
01:11:25,660 --> 01:11:27,697
Karen is the only one
who has the presence of mind.

1611
01:11:27,800 --> 01:11:31,252
Because I was told
by the dying voodoo guy...

1612
01:11:31,356 --> 01:11:32,909
Shoot him in the heart!

1613
01:11:34,635 --> 01:11:36,671
That's what puts him away.
And we had a yank line.

1614
01:11:36,775 --> 01:11:38,570
And it's great because
you see the body react

1615
01:11:38,673 --> 01:11:40,606
in a wonderful way,
where it almost looks like

1616
01:11:40,710 --> 01:11:43,368
he pushes,
kicks himself off the floor.

1617
01:11:43,471 --> 01:11:46,163
Hi, I'm Chucky, wanna

1618
01:11:46,267 --> 01:11:50,098
plaaaaay?

1619
01:11:50,202 --> 01:11:52,653
And finally Chucky dies.

1620
01:11:52,756 --> 01:11:55,725
I do remember having to do
a lot of takes of,

1621
01:11:55,828 --> 01:11:57,623
"Hi, I'm Chucky,
wanna play?"

1622
01:11:57,727 --> 01:11:59,798
And at the end the "play"
had to get kind of crazy.

1623
01:11:59,901 --> 01:12:02,352
And so they wanted me to do
all sorts of different weird,

1624
01:12:02,456 --> 01:12:05,113
wacky sounds and sound
kind of creepy and evil.

1625
01:12:05,217 --> 01:12:09,186
It takes you to a completely
different place as an audience.

1626
01:12:09,290 --> 01:12:11,810
Hi, I'm Chucky, wanna
plaaaay?

1627
01:12:18,886 --> 01:12:22,234
I think any movie that ends
with a freeze frame

1628
01:12:22,338 --> 01:12:23,856
in the horror genre,

1629
01:12:23,960 --> 01:12:25,444
it says cliffhanger.

1630
01:12:25,548 --> 01:12:27,135
My script
didn't end with that.

1631
01:12:27,239 --> 01:12:30,276
I think that freeze frame
definitely jettisons you back

1632
01:12:30,380 --> 01:12:31,968
to the horror films of the '70s.

1633
01:12:32,071 --> 01:12:34,626
It's one of my favorite shots
of the entire first film.

1634
01:12:34,729 --> 01:12:36,421
Then you think,
"Okay, we're fine."

1635
01:12:36,524 --> 01:12:38,112
And well, we don't know.
Is he dead?

1636
01:12:38,215 --> 01:12:40,159
I think that freeze frame
at the end of the movie

1637
01:12:40,183 --> 01:12:43,807
is certainly Tom's attempt
to give you a sense of,

1638
01:12:43,911 --> 01:12:47,052
wait a minute, what's behind me?
What's over my shoulder?

1639
01:12:47,155 --> 01:12:50,676
That was to let the audience
know that that experience

1640
01:12:50,780 --> 01:12:52,782
will probably be
with that little boy forever.

1641
01:12:52,885 --> 01:12:55,543
As I say pretty often,
Chucky told me in 1988

1642
01:12:55,647 --> 01:12:57,373
that we were going to be
friends to the end,

1643
01:12:57,476 --> 01:13:00,030
and that has certainly
proved to be true.

1644
01:13:02,757 --> 01:13:06,002
"Child's Play" wrapped
at 66 days of shooting

1645
01:13:06,105 --> 01:13:08,591
on April 5th, 1988.

1646
01:13:08,694 --> 01:13:10,213
Now it was time to put

1647
01:13:10,316 --> 01:13:11,973
the killer-doll-movie puzzle
together,

1648
01:13:12,077 --> 01:13:14,700
something that ultimately
had moments more dramatic

1649
01:13:14,804 --> 01:13:16,875
than what ended up
on the screen.

1650
01:13:16,978 --> 01:13:19,291
I think the best part
of making the movie

1651
01:13:19,395 --> 01:13:22,328
was probably the first day,

1652
01:13:22,432 --> 01:13:24,434
because
there was no anticipation

1653
01:13:24,538 --> 01:13:26,436
as to what
the difficulties might be,

1654
01:13:26,540 --> 01:13:27,989
and the last day,

1655
01:13:28,093 --> 01:13:30,613
knowing that it was done.
It was a tough shoot.

1656
01:13:30,716 --> 01:13:33,132
Every movie has its own
challenges and its own nature.

1657
01:13:33,236 --> 01:13:36,170
It was really a team effort.
It really took a village.

1658
01:13:36,273 --> 01:13:39,242
One of the funnest parts
of doing "Child's Play"

1659
01:13:39,345 --> 01:13:41,140
was flirting with Kevin Yeager.

1660
01:13:41,244 --> 01:13:43,936
So, Catherine, how do you
like working on this show?

1661
01:13:44,040 --> 01:13:46,283
All right?

1662
01:13:46,387 --> 01:13:48,251
I don't want to talk right now,
Kevin.

1663
01:13:48,354 --> 01:13:50,495
- I gotta crap.
- Okay.

1664
01:13:50,598 --> 01:13:52,151
- See you.
- Bye.

1665
01:13:52,255 --> 01:13:56,121
I would come on set
for scenes I wasn't even in,

1666
01:13:56,224 --> 01:13:57,433
in a short, short skirt.

1667
01:13:57,536 --> 01:13:59,849
You know,
he was just so focused.

1668
01:13:59,952 --> 01:14:01,471
But I thought that
was really sexy.

1669
01:14:01,575 --> 01:14:03,093
He was like,
"What are you doing?"

1670
01:14:03,197 --> 01:14:05,026
We were dating other people.

1671
01:14:05,130 --> 01:14:07,615
So the flirtation that happened
between us on set

1672
01:14:07,719 --> 01:14:10,307
was very, very calm, peaceful.
Nothing ever happened.

1673
01:14:10,411 --> 01:14:13,000
Well, there was a wrap party
and I got Tiffany pens

1674
01:14:13,103 --> 01:14:14,829
for all the puppeteers,
but not Kevin.

1675
01:14:14,933 --> 01:14:18,005
And I just went up and said,
"Was there anything between us?"

1676
01:14:18,108 --> 01:14:20,386
And I had nothing to say.
I was dumbfounded.

1677
01:14:20,490 --> 01:14:21,940
So I just took her by the hand

1678
01:14:22,043 --> 01:14:24,460
and I pulled her back behind
one of the movie flats

1679
01:14:24,563 --> 01:14:26,047
and I kissed her,
and that was it.

1680
01:14:26,151 --> 01:14:28,567
Just one kiss.
And it was like, okay.

1681
01:14:28,671 --> 01:14:29,855
Chucky's a big part of my life.

1682
01:14:29,879 --> 01:14:32,260
I mean, it bought my house.

1683
01:14:32,364 --> 01:14:33,917
I got to meet my wife on it.

1684
01:14:34,021 --> 01:14:37,714
I lost my heart.
And we've been married 32 years.

1685
01:14:37,818 --> 01:14:40,476
The hardest part for me
was just the fear of failure.

1686
01:14:40,579 --> 01:14:42,039
You're wondering
when it's going to break,

1687
01:14:42,063 --> 01:14:44,549
because inherently,
every puppet will break.

1688
01:14:44,652 --> 01:14:46,102
I would say working
with Chucky

1689
01:14:46,205 --> 01:14:49,036
and his technical problems
was the hardest part.

1690
01:14:49,139 --> 01:14:50,624
One of the things
I certainly thought

1691
01:14:50,727 --> 01:14:52,453
all through the shoot was,
how are they

1692
01:14:52,557 --> 01:14:54,248
going to piece all of this
together?

1693
01:14:54,351 --> 01:14:55,674
Because there were
so many different

1694
01:14:55,698 --> 01:14:57,078
iterations of the doll.

1695
01:14:57,182 --> 01:14:59,978
David showed me the first
cut of the movie,

1696
01:15:00,081 --> 01:15:03,464
Tom's first cut, which ran
like a half an hour longer.

1697
01:15:03,568 --> 01:15:05,570
We had a wonderful,
wonderful editor

1698
01:15:05,673 --> 01:15:08,711
named Ed Warschilka
that did such a great job.

1699
01:15:08,814 --> 01:15:10,367
But when we test-screened
the film,

1700
01:15:10,471 --> 01:15:13,267
probably the worst moment
for me was towards the end.

1701
01:15:13,370 --> 01:15:14,751
The head is burned
at this point

1702
01:15:14,855 --> 01:15:16,650
and someone from
the audience screamed,

1703
01:15:16,753 --> 01:15:18,341
"Don't touch it,
there'll be a sequel!"

1704
01:15:18,444 --> 01:15:19,998
And the audience just roared.

1705
01:15:20,101 --> 01:15:21,976
And had it not been my movie,
I would have roared too.

1706
01:15:22,000 --> 01:15:25,072
It's funny, but it wasn't funny
when it's your movie.

1707
01:15:25,175 --> 01:15:26,901
So I think that they were
getting scared

1708
01:15:27,005 --> 01:15:29,697
and so their feeling was,
let's cut this to the bone.

1709
01:15:29,801 --> 01:15:31,837
I was under terrific pressure
from the studio.

1710
01:15:31,941 --> 01:15:34,702
And they made my life hell
because they had no belief

1711
01:15:34,806 --> 01:15:36,808
or anything invested
in the movie,

1712
01:15:36,911 --> 01:15:38,775
and all they wanted me to do
was cut, cut, cut.

1713
01:15:38,879 --> 01:15:42,330
I felt really strongly that
there was too much of the doll

1714
01:15:42,434 --> 01:15:44,954
in here
by like almost 30 minutes.

1715
01:15:45,057 --> 01:15:46,783
And I kept saying,
"No Chucky,

1716
01:15:46,887 --> 01:15:48,544
no third act."

1717
01:15:48,647 --> 01:15:51,201
And when we went back
in and edited,

1718
01:15:51,305 --> 01:15:53,825
Tom was let go that night,
at the screening.

1719
01:15:53,928 --> 01:15:56,828
He walked up to us
and it was a bad screening.

1720
01:15:56,931 --> 01:15:59,106
That was the end of it,
and he just walked away.

1721
01:15:59,209 --> 01:16:00,935
That was the last time
I ever saw Tom.

1722
01:16:01,039 --> 01:16:02,868
There was this tension
between us,

1723
01:16:02,972 --> 01:16:04,698
and every suggestion he made

1724
01:16:04,801 --> 01:16:06,976
was about flattening
the movie out.

1725
01:16:07,079 --> 01:16:09,875
Tom can be difficult.
He's incredibly charming.

1726
01:16:09,979 --> 01:16:12,119
He's this movie star
looking guy.

1727
01:16:12,222 --> 01:16:14,224
But, you know,
he could be difficult.

1728
01:16:14,328 --> 01:16:16,606
- He can be a hothead.
- Yeah.

1729
01:16:16,710 --> 01:16:18,746
I was aware that...
that there was friction.

1730
01:16:18,850 --> 01:16:21,956
I was very aware of that.
It's just really not my problem.

1731
01:16:22,060 --> 01:16:24,407
And if somebody
made it my problem

1732
01:16:24,510 --> 01:16:25,960
or tried to make it my problem,

1733
01:16:26,064 --> 01:16:28,653
then I would make
that their problem.

1734
01:16:28,756 --> 01:16:30,931
You don't fuck
with my performance

1735
01:16:31,034 --> 01:16:33,450
and I don't fuck
with anybody else's.

1736
01:16:33,554 --> 01:16:35,970
There were times
when the tension

1737
01:16:36,074 --> 01:16:38,939
was very palpable on the set.

1738
01:16:39,042 --> 01:16:42,494
It was a really difficult shoot
in a lot of ways.

1739
01:16:42,598 --> 01:16:44,634
Tom is a director
who probably gets used

1740
01:16:44,738 --> 01:16:47,741
to getting his way
and getting what he wants,

1741
01:16:47,844 --> 01:16:50,191
and David is very friendly,
very compromising.

1742
01:16:50,295 --> 01:16:52,677
But also, you know,
he has a vision, too,

1743
01:16:52,780 --> 01:16:54,161
and he puts his all into it.

1744
01:16:54,264 --> 01:16:55,897
I know he wouldn't back down
from something

1745
01:16:55,921 --> 01:16:57,198
if it was important to him.

1746
01:16:57,302 --> 01:16:58,579
Tom did the best he could.

1747
01:16:58,683 --> 01:17:00,408
The pressure was on
Tom Holland,

1748
01:17:00,512 --> 01:17:02,169
I think 24/7.

1749
01:17:02,272 --> 01:17:04,078
You never know if you're
going to get it on the screen.

1750
01:17:04,102 --> 01:17:06,069
I figure if you
get 80, 85%

1751
01:17:06,173 --> 01:17:08,865
of what's in your head
on the screen, it's a miracle.

1752
01:17:08,969 --> 01:17:10,660
Tom was off the movie.

1753
01:17:10,764 --> 01:17:13,490
And so at that point,
David invited me in.

1754
01:17:13,594 --> 01:17:16,632
It's an unusual thing, frankly,
for that to happen,

1755
01:17:16,735 --> 01:17:18,668
and it was extremely
nice of him.

1756
01:17:18,772 --> 01:17:20,705
We sat with Ed Warschilka
and proceeded

1757
01:17:20,808 --> 01:17:24,329
to cut out about 27 minutes.

1758
01:17:24,432 --> 01:17:26,918
So when he finally comes alive,

1759
01:17:27,021 --> 01:17:29,852
I mean, in...
in a terrifying form,

1760
01:17:29,955 --> 01:17:31,681
it really makes
the audience jump.

1761
01:17:31,785 --> 01:17:33,372
Hi, I'm Chucky.

1762
01:17:33,476 --> 01:17:34,615
No!

1763
01:17:34,719 --> 01:17:36,306
Ah!

1764
01:17:36,410 --> 01:17:38,861
There was a lot of stuff
that came out of the movie.

1765
01:17:38,964 --> 01:17:43,382
Chris Sarandon as the cop
character in drag,

1766
01:17:43,486 --> 01:17:46,351
and they ended up, you know,
cutting all of that.

1767
01:17:46,454 --> 01:17:48,111
Ed Gale, you know,
getting up

1768
01:17:48,215 --> 01:17:49,665
off the pavement
in the background.

1769
01:17:49,768 --> 01:17:52,219
And we did one
where Ed flips off Chris.

1770
01:17:52,322 --> 01:17:54,980
And I was there when
they actually filmed the scene,

1771
01:17:55,084 --> 01:17:57,017
which starts off before
it goes in the kitchen

1772
01:17:57,120 --> 01:17:58,294
and makes this cup of tea.

1773
01:17:58,397 --> 01:17:59,640
He's holding a baby

1774
01:17:59,744 --> 01:18:01,193
and he's doing incantations.

1775
01:18:01,297 --> 01:18:03,748
And I just wonder
what happened to that child

1776
01:18:03,851 --> 01:18:05,163
all these years later.

1777
01:18:05,266 --> 01:18:07,752
In addition to trimming
the film's runtime,

1778
01:18:07,855 --> 01:18:10,168
a new composer was brought
onto the production,

1779
01:18:10,271 --> 01:18:12,826
replacing the original hire
who disappeared

1780
01:18:12,929 --> 01:18:14,897
before writing a single note.

1781
01:18:15,000 --> 01:18:18,107
This change brought forth
the musical sound of the film

1782
01:18:18,210 --> 01:18:21,386
and the shine
of previous accolades.

1783
01:18:21,489 --> 01:18:22,801
I love the score

1784
01:18:22,905 --> 01:18:24,907
of "Child's Play" one
by Joe Renzetti,

1785
01:18:25,010 --> 01:18:29,601
who was actually an Oscar winner
for "The Buddy Holly Story."

1786
01:18:29,705 --> 01:18:30,947
Scoring was a bit rushed.

1787
01:18:31,051 --> 01:18:33,778
because the film
had been completed.

1788
01:18:33,881 --> 01:18:36,850
It had been tested
not very well.

1789
01:18:36,953 --> 01:18:38,230
They thought it was too funny.

1790
01:18:38,334 --> 01:18:39,922
So they said,
"Joe, whatever you do,

1791
01:18:40,025 --> 01:18:41,268
we gotta scare people."

1792
01:18:41,371 --> 01:18:44,547
What I did come up with
was a sound theme,

1793
01:18:44,650 --> 01:18:45,997
if you will,
which was this.

1794
01:18:46,100 --> 01:18:48,275
That was Chucky.

1795
01:18:48,378 --> 01:18:51,209
It's not until you put
the music in,

1796
01:18:51,312 --> 01:18:55,109
really that... that a film
starts to come to life.

1797
01:18:55,213 --> 01:18:58,975
We recorded "Child's Play"
at CBS on Ventura Boulevard.

1798
01:18:59,079 --> 01:19:00,815
We had a pretty big orchestra,
I'm going to say maybe

1799
01:19:00,839 --> 01:19:04,187
60 pieces, complete strings,
horns, winds.

1800
01:19:04,291 --> 01:19:07,466
And credits sounds like
"Pachelbel's Canon,"

1801
01:19:07,570 --> 01:19:10,366
only minor
and horror division.

1802
01:19:10,469 --> 01:19:11,469
Loved that.

1803
01:19:19,271 --> 01:19:23,068
It was still the days of
where orchestras were preferred,

1804
01:19:23,172 --> 01:19:26,278
but it was also the days,
we're talking about '87,

1805
01:19:26,382 --> 01:19:27,935
where the Synclavier,

1806
01:19:28,039 --> 01:19:30,938
which was one of the first
great sequencers,

1807
01:19:31,042 --> 01:19:34,459
synthesizers, digital,
and it was just a mere...

1808
01:19:34,562 --> 01:19:36,185
$175,000.

1809
01:19:36,288 --> 01:19:38,325
Joe did a great job
on the score.

1810
01:19:38,428 --> 01:19:39,740
I mean, it's fantastic.

1811
01:19:39,844 --> 01:19:42,812
My dear friend Simon Stokes
and I on our own

1812
01:19:42,916 --> 01:19:45,263
wrote a very funny song
called the "Chucky" song,

1813
01:19:45,366 --> 01:19:47,886
and we played it for the
producers and they laughed,

1814
01:19:47,990 --> 01:19:50,095
but they said, Joe,
we can't use it

1815
01:19:50,199 --> 01:19:52,891
because it's funny
and we don't want laughing.

1816
01:19:52,995 --> 01:19:54,755
It kind of took you
out of the experience

1817
01:19:54,859 --> 01:19:55,860
that you just had.

1818
01:19:55,963 --> 01:19:57,378
That song just didn't do it.

1819
01:19:57,482 --> 01:19:59,311
♪ He said, "Hi there.
Ain't I lucky?" ♪

1820
01:19:59,415 --> 01:20:01,451
♪ "Pleased to meet you.
Call me Chucky." ♪

1821
01:20:01,555 --> 01:20:02,694
That was it.

1822
01:20:02,798 --> 01:20:04,661
It's not really
the theme song.

1823
01:20:04,765 --> 01:20:06,215
But I'm not
going to complain.

1824
01:20:06,318 --> 01:20:08,596
With the film
finally locked, scored,

1825
01:20:08,700 --> 01:20:10,115
and leaning into its scares,

1826
01:20:10,219 --> 01:20:12,428
there was one final hurdle
before audiences

1827
01:20:12,531 --> 01:20:15,983
would see all of Chucky's terror
fill the big screen.

1828
01:20:16,087 --> 01:20:19,676
A fairly contentious
writing credit arbitration.

1829
01:20:19,780 --> 01:20:20,954
I got co-screenplay credit,

1830
01:20:21,057 --> 01:20:23,059
but I did not get
co-story credit,

1831
01:20:23,163 --> 01:20:25,234
which I always felt
was really unfair to me.

1832
01:20:25,337 --> 01:20:27,823
There would definitely be
a WGA arbitration

1833
01:20:27,926 --> 01:20:29,548
when there's more
than one writer.

1834
01:20:29,652 --> 01:20:33,173
So I, you know, eternally
grateful to the Writers Guild

1835
01:20:33,276 --> 01:20:35,554
for protecting me in that way.

1836
01:20:35,658 --> 01:20:37,902
As the creator
of this character

1837
01:20:38,005 --> 01:20:39,351
and the creator
of the franchise.

1838
01:20:39,455 --> 01:20:41,077
The rules were stacked
against me.

1839
01:20:41,181 --> 01:20:43,839
For a director to get
co-screenplay credit,

1840
01:20:43,942 --> 01:20:46,048
he had to write more
than 50% of the script.

1841
01:20:46,151 --> 01:20:48,602
What was more frustrating
for me

1842
01:20:48,705 --> 01:20:51,847
was Tom's statements
in the press

1843
01:20:51,950 --> 01:20:53,883
concurrent with
the movie coming out,

1844
01:20:53,987 --> 01:20:55,505
where he would say,

1845
01:20:55,609 --> 01:20:57,266
This is my original script,

1846
01:20:57,369 --> 01:20:58,854
even though the credits
say it isn't.

1847
01:20:58,957 --> 01:21:00,062
I felt like I deserved it.

1848
01:21:00,165 --> 01:21:01,649
When the film was completed,

1849
01:21:01,753 --> 01:21:03,444
I asked Tony Thomopoulos

1850
01:21:03,548 --> 01:21:07,414
if we could have a screening
for friends and family.

1851
01:21:07,517 --> 01:21:09,071
And he said, "No."

1852
01:21:09,174 --> 01:21:13,627
And I did something that
is so not like me even today.

1853
01:21:13,730 --> 01:21:15,456
Um, I did not listen to him.

1854
01:21:15,560 --> 01:21:20,876
And with my wife, we went
and rented the Academy Theater,

1855
01:21:20,979 --> 01:21:24,086
and we invited
about 1,100 people,

1856
01:21:24,189 --> 01:21:27,503
and I got all the boxes
that we had from "Chucky,"

1857
01:21:27,606 --> 01:21:31,231
and I made a tunnel that the
audience had to walk through.

1858
01:21:31,334 --> 01:21:34,234
I mean, Tony almost
killed me the next day,

1859
01:21:34,337 --> 01:21:36,132
but it was the talk of the town.

1860
01:21:36,236 --> 01:21:38,997
Some of us were allowed to
take a Chucky doll box with us,

1861
01:21:39,101 --> 01:21:41,068
and I kept it for many,
many years.

1862
01:21:41,172 --> 01:21:43,115
Steven Spielberg was there
because David had worked

1863
01:21:43,139 --> 01:21:44,796
with him
on the "American Tail,"

1864
01:21:44,900 --> 01:21:46,774
and he was congratulating David,
you know, great job, David.

1865
01:21:46,798 --> 01:21:48,638
Really, really nice and very
scary and all that stuff.

1866
01:21:48,662 --> 01:21:50,388
I think it's Tom's best film.

1867
01:21:50,491 --> 01:21:52,045
I was proud
to have worked on it.

1868
01:21:52,148 --> 01:21:53,505
You know, it wasn't
one of those ones.

1869
01:21:53,529 --> 01:21:55,151
That one likes
to kind of hide away.

1870
01:21:55,255 --> 01:21:57,084
It was a it was a good movie.

1871
01:21:57,188 --> 01:21:59,535
I was always pretty confident
with what we were making.

1872
01:21:59,638 --> 01:22:02,641
But when I saw the final film
finished, you know,

1873
01:22:02,745 --> 01:22:06,059
with the benefit of having
a great sound effects job

1874
01:22:06,162 --> 01:22:08,302
and a great score,
the movie shined.

1875
01:22:08,406 --> 01:22:09,925
I thought it
was really good.

1876
01:22:10,028 --> 01:22:12,651
And I thought Chucky
was just so intricate.

1877
01:22:12,755 --> 01:22:14,377
It was great to see
the effect

1878
01:22:14,481 --> 01:22:18,864
that had on the people
who were affected by Chucky

1879
01:22:18,968 --> 01:22:20,521
and what that did to them.

1880
01:22:20,625 --> 01:22:23,179
I remember seeing it
at a premiere in my hometown.

1881
01:22:23,283 --> 01:22:26,562
My grandfather rented out
one of the theaters

1882
01:22:26,665 --> 01:22:28,495
for all of my friends
and family to come,

1883
01:22:28,598 --> 01:22:31,705
and I was in a tuxedo signing my
first autographs for everybody.

1884
01:22:31,808 --> 01:22:33,914
And it was thrilling.
Obviously, it was thrilling

1885
01:22:34,018 --> 01:22:36,020
to see this come together.

1886
01:22:36,123 --> 01:22:40,162
I had no sense whatsoever
as to what the reaction

1887
01:22:40,265 --> 01:22:41,715
to the movie
was going to be,

1888
01:22:41,818 --> 01:22:45,132
but I knew that it was going
to touch a nerve when.

1889
01:22:45,236 --> 01:22:47,203
When I saw it
for the first time,

1890
01:22:47,307 --> 01:22:51,138
the audience cringed sometime
at this guy, or they gasped.

1891
01:22:51,242 --> 01:22:53,727
And so I walked away
really, really satisfied.

1892
01:22:53,830 --> 01:22:56,350
When you're working on a film,
you just hope it comes together.

1893
01:22:56,385 --> 01:22:58,425
I was quite pleased with the way
that it turned out.

1894
01:22:58,490 --> 01:23:01,148
I was so lucky.
It was super thrilling.

1895
01:23:01,252 --> 01:23:04,082
Although the film was a hit
with its cast and crew,

1896
01:23:04,186 --> 01:23:05,463
the true measure of success

1897
01:23:05,566 --> 01:23:07,396
would come
with a paying audience.

1898
01:23:07,499 --> 01:23:09,432
But first, the studio
had to find a way

1899
01:23:09,536 --> 01:23:12,401
to sell this cinematic
amalgamation of horror,

1900
01:23:12,504 --> 01:23:14,610
action and mystery
to the public

1901
01:23:14,713 --> 01:23:17,233
while dealing with
their own private problems.

1902
01:23:17,337 --> 01:23:19,546
The studio was
in freefall at that point.

1903
01:23:19,649 --> 01:23:22,514
By the time the film came out,
it was a one-man show.

1904
01:23:22,618 --> 01:23:24,033
Everyone had been fired.

1905
01:23:24,137 --> 01:23:27,209
The studio was having
major problems,

1906
01:23:27,312 --> 01:23:28,592
there had been a writers strike,

1907
01:23:28,693 --> 01:23:30,660
and then there was
talk of it being sold.

1908
01:23:30,764 --> 01:23:32,248
It just became a mess

1909
01:23:32,352 --> 01:23:35,320
and there really wasn't a staff
to sell this movie.

1910
01:23:35,424 --> 01:23:38,496
David would start sharing
with me the initial advertising,

1911
01:23:38,599 --> 01:23:39,876
one sheet concepts.

1912
01:23:39,980 --> 01:23:42,189
They had come up
with something I loved.

1913
01:23:42,293 --> 01:23:45,744
It almost looked like
a Broadway Playbill cover.

1914
01:23:45,848 --> 01:23:51,302
It was just completely black
and in white, a stick figure

1915
01:23:51,405 --> 01:23:54,408
and a single drop
of red blood.

1916
01:23:54,512 --> 01:23:55,892
They went with
this other thing.

1917
01:23:55,996 --> 01:23:57,963
I wasn't crazy
about that key art.

1918
01:23:58,067 --> 01:23:59,482
I thought it wasn't very strong.

1919
01:23:59,586 --> 01:24:02,416
The most glaring thing
about it to me

1920
01:24:02,520 --> 01:24:04,039
was that they don't show a doll.

1921
01:24:04,142 --> 01:24:06,386
You don't know
it's about a killer doll.

1922
01:24:06,489 --> 01:24:09,285
When I went into the movie,
I had never seen Chucky.

1923
01:24:09,389 --> 01:24:10,942
I had no idea
what he looked like.

1924
01:24:11,046 --> 01:24:12,366
In a way, I think that
was smart,

1925
01:24:12,461 --> 01:24:14,566
because I think you didn't
necessarily

1926
01:24:14,670 --> 01:24:17,362
go in with the same
prejudices you might have

1927
01:24:17,466 --> 01:24:19,146
thinking of it as just
a killer doll movie.

1928
01:24:19,226 --> 01:24:20,952
So it was all about
was the movie

1929
01:24:21,056 --> 01:24:23,023
going to be
successful financially?

1930
01:24:23,127 --> 01:24:25,301
"Child's Play"
opened at number one

1931
01:24:25,405 --> 01:24:27,683
on November 11, 1988,

1932
01:24:27,786 --> 01:24:31,480
eventually taking in 44 million
at the box office,

1933
01:24:31,583 --> 01:24:34,759
quickly proving there was
a new horror kid on the block.

1934
01:24:34,862 --> 01:24:36,864
And while the road
to bringing the film to life

1935
01:24:36,968 --> 01:24:40,730
may have been filled with
physical bumps and ego bruises,

1936
01:24:40,834 --> 01:24:43,699
"Child's Play" cemented itself
in the lives and minds

1937
01:24:43,802 --> 01:24:47,737
of critics, moviegoers,
cast, and crew forever.

1938
01:24:47,841 --> 01:24:52,432
The success of the first film
was a bit surprising.

1939
01:24:52,535 --> 01:24:54,617
"Child's Play" got pretty good
reviews for a horror movie.

1940
01:24:54,641 --> 01:24:56,298
Roger Ebert
liked "Child's Play."

1941
01:24:56,401 --> 01:24:58,645
The movie is well made,
with convincing performances by

1942
01:24:58,748 --> 01:25:00,405
Catherine Hicks
and little Alex Vincent.

1943
01:25:00,509 --> 01:25:02,349
Kevin Thomas from the LA Times
liked "Child's Play."

1944
01:25:02,373 --> 01:25:04,029
The New York Times
like "Child's Play."

1945
01:25:04,133 --> 01:25:08,379
A lot of the big publications
and big TV shows recognized

1946
01:25:08,482 --> 01:25:10,001
that it was something special.

1947
01:25:10,105 --> 01:25:11,634
And I think when the studio
released it,

1948
01:25:11,658 --> 01:25:13,694
they were shocked
that it did as well as it did.

1949
01:25:13,798 --> 01:25:16,559
The success of the movie,
it happened very fast.

1950
01:25:16,663 --> 01:25:20,494
It won the weekend, and it
was completely thrilling.

1951
01:25:20,598 --> 01:25:22,600
Timing wise, while on
the one hand

1952
01:25:22,703 --> 01:25:24,474
it would seem like it
was a crowded marketplace.

1953
01:25:24,498 --> 01:25:26,062
On the other hand,
they're doing something

1954
01:25:26,086 --> 01:25:27,743
different
and new enough here.

1955
01:25:27,846 --> 01:25:32,023
It obviously hit a nerve
with audiences around the world.

1956
01:25:32,127 --> 01:25:34,681
Chucky is now part
of the iconic

1957
01:25:34,784 --> 01:25:37,304
horror figures,
you know, characters.

1958
01:25:37,408 --> 01:25:38,995
He's right up there
with Freddy Krueger

1959
01:25:39,099 --> 01:25:40,859
and Jason Voorhees
and Pinhead

1960
01:25:40,963 --> 01:25:43,690
and Leatherface and,
you know, it goes on and on.

1961
01:25:43,793 --> 01:25:45,495
You make a movie
for many different reasons,

1962
01:25:45,519 --> 01:25:48,039
but primarily you make it
to make a good film

1963
01:25:48,143 --> 01:25:49,558
that's going to make money

1964
01:25:49,661 --> 01:25:51,398
and it's going to be enjoyed
by your audience.

1965
01:25:51,422 --> 01:25:54,977
And so when a film
that you've done works well,

1966
01:25:55,080 --> 01:25:56,841
you always are happy.

1967
01:25:56,944 --> 01:25:59,775
Being part of the original
franchise starter

1968
01:25:59,878 --> 01:26:01,466
was wonderful

1969
01:26:01,570 --> 01:26:04,849
because it's probably
going to be my legacy.

1970
01:26:04,952 --> 01:26:06,437
And it was a delight to work on.

1971
01:26:06,540 --> 01:26:08,922
There were a lot
of innovations

1972
01:26:09,025 --> 01:26:12,443
that took place in the creation
of Chucky and in...

1973
01:26:12,546 --> 01:26:16,481
in filming Chucky
that I had never seen before.

1974
01:26:16,585 --> 01:26:18,587
Bringing Chucky to life
was unforgettable.

1975
01:26:18,690 --> 01:26:20,554
It was such a great
experience for me

1976
01:26:20,658 --> 01:26:22,843
all the way around, you know,
it put me on a different map.

1977
01:26:22,867 --> 01:26:24,907
You know, it took me
from makeup artist to suddenly,

1978
01:26:25,007 --> 01:26:27,906
you know, creator
of a thing that didn't exist.

1979
01:26:28,010 --> 01:26:30,702
And when you finally put those
elements together and he moves

1980
01:26:30,806 --> 01:26:33,291
and then you add
a voice to that, it's magic.

1981
01:26:33,395 --> 01:26:35,776
I went to an audition,
one of many.

1982
01:26:35,880 --> 01:26:39,470
I was chosen to do a role,
a small role,

1983
01:26:39,573 --> 01:26:42,921
and it stuck with me
all of this time.

1984
01:26:43,025 --> 01:26:45,407
It's always shocking to see

1985
01:26:45,510 --> 01:26:48,133
what has lasting power

1986
01:26:48,237 --> 01:26:50,446
and ignites the public
imagination.

1987
01:26:50,550 --> 01:26:53,208
Being a part
of "Child's Play" was,

1988
01:26:53,311 --> 01:26:55,762
you know, really wonderful
and surprising.

1989
01:26:55,865 --> 01:26:58,109
I kind of wish
I didn't die so early

1990
01:26:58,213 --> 01:27:02,320
so I could have come back in
one of the thousands of sequels.

1991
01:27:02,424 --> 01:27:04,219
I'm really shocked that

1992
01:27:04,322 --> 01:27:05,802
it's had the kind of life
that it has,

1993
01:27:05,875 --> 01:27:09,534
and that Chucky has become
an iconic character.

1994
01:27:09,638 --> 01:27:12,157
I would have loved
to have played the definitive

1995
01:27:12,261 --> 01:27:13,745
Saint Francis of Assisi.

1996
01:27:13,849 --> 01:27:16,990
I never played that,
so Chucky will just have to do.

1997
01:27:17,093 --> 01:27:20,269
Being in "Child's Play"
was a thrilling experience,

1998
01:27:20,373 --> 01:27:22,961
but one that I was
just instantly thankful for.

1999
01:27:23,065 --> 01:27:26,275
So to be given a part,
let alone a good part in a movie

2000
01:27:26,379 --> 01:27:28,312
that people love was something
that I just

2001
01:27:28,415 --> 01:27:31,038
appreciated intensely
from the very beginning.

2002
01:27:31,142 --> 01:27:32,557
I'm thrilled to have been

2003
01:27:32,661 --> 01:27:35,802
a part of making
the original "Child's Play."

2004
01:27:35,905 --> 01:27:37,976
Uh, always have been,
and I always will be.

2005
01:27:38,080 --> 01:27:42,291
I never realized that
I was both the final girl

2006
01:27:42,395 --> 01:27:43,706
and the protector,

2007
01:27:43,810 --> 01:27:46,640
so I sort of felt a dignity
to this project

2008
01:27:46,744 --> 01:27:48,470
and a dignity to my character.

2009
01:27:48,573 --> 01:27:50,989
I thought all the actors
involved had dignity,

2010
01:27:51,093 --> 01:27:54,890
and so I thought it was
a unique kind of horror film.

2011
01:27:54,993 --> 01:27:58,169
It was the beginning
of a 35-year relationship

2012
01:27:58,273 --> 01:27:59,688
and partnership
with Don Mancini.

2013
01:27:59,791 --> 01:28:04,106
It was extremely
thrilling experience for me,

2014
01:28:04,209 --> 01:28:05,590
even though I was rewritten,

2015
01:28:05,694 --> 01:28:08,179
even though I had to fight
for my credit

2016
01:28:08,283 --> 01:28:10,630
as creator of the character,

2017
01:28:10,733 --> 01:28:14,599
it was still really thrilling
and a wonderful experience,

2018
01:28:14,703 --> 01:28:17,464
largely due
to David's generosity.

2019
01:28:17,568 --> 01:28:20,605
"Child's Play" was a film
with puppeteers, cranes,

2020
01:28:20,709 --> 01:28:24,747
little people, animatronics,
children, effects, etc.

2021
01:28:24,851 --> 01:28:28,095
It was a tough shoot,
difficult beyond belief,

2022
01:28:28,199 --> 01:28:29,614
but it all came together

2023
01:28:29,718 --> 01:28:33,377
because of the efforts of a lot
of very talented people,

2024
01:28:33,480 --> 01:28:35,068
and I'll always be thankful.

2025
01:28:35,171 --> 01:28:38,347
It's so nice to think that
I'm leaving Chucky behind

2026
01:28:38,451 --> 01:28:39,866
for the rest of the world.

2027
01:28:54,708 --> 01:28:58,402
"Child's Play," a movie
that defied expectations,

2028
01:28:58,505 --> 01:29:00,404
slayed audiences
and played its way

2029
01:29:00,507 --> 01:29:01,957
to the top of the box office,

2030
01:29:02,060 --> 01:29:04,787
quickly seemed destined
to follow in the footsteps

2031
01:29:04,891 --> 01:29:06,858
of its horror film
predecessors.

2032
01:29:06,962 --> 01:29:10,241
It was clear the time
had come to bring Chucky

2033
01:29:10,345 --> 01:29:11,587
back from the dead.

2034
01:29:11,691 --> 01:29:13,486
So David and I were talking

2035
01:29:13,589 --> 01:29:15,591
about the potential
for a sequel.

2036
01:29:15,695 --> 01:29:17,213
And it was a thing in Hollywood

2037
01:29:17,317 --> 01:29:19,181
at that time, like horror movies

2038
01:29:19,284 --> 01:29:20,803
becoming franchises.

2039
01:29:20,907 --> 01:29:23,806
They said they wanted to do
a sequel pretty quickly.

2040
01:29:23,910 --> 01:29:27,051
The reviews were really good.
LA Times was fantastic.

2041
01:29:27,154 --> 01:29:30,675
I had a desire to bring back
some of the elements

2042
01:29:30,779 --> 01:29:32,746
from my original
"Blood Buddy" script

2043
01:29:32,850 --> 01:29:34,679
that had fallen
by the wayside.

2044
01:29:34,783 --> 01:29:38,614
The screenplay was written by
Don Mancini, only Don.

2045
01:29:38,718 --> 01:29:42,066
The studio strategically
neglected to tell me

2046
01:29:42,169 --> 01:29:43,654
that they
were simultaneously

2047
01:29:43,757 --> 01:29:46,726
developing another script
for "Child's Play II,"

2048
01:29:46,829 --> 01:29:49,487
written by
Mark Patrick Carducci,

2049
01:29:49,591 --> 01:29:51,144
who had written
"Pumpkinhead,"

2050
01:29:51,247 --> 01:29:54,250
and the idea was that
the best one would go forward.

2051
01:29:54,354 --> 01:29:55,459
I won.

2052
01:29:55,562 --> 01:29:57,081
John and I and David

2053
01:29:57,184 --> 01:29:58,669
were all on the same page

2054
01:29:58,772 --> 01:30:01,154
that one of the things we wanted
to get into the sequel

2055
01:30:01,257 --> 01:30:05,779
was that fairy tale vibe that
had been lost along the way.

2056
01:30:05,883 --> 01:30:09,852
John Lafia I was so impressed
by how he had shaped everything.

2057
01:30:09,956 --> 01:30:13,200
And I said, "Would you like
to direct the second film?"

2058
01:30:13,304 --> 01:30:16,687
In the beginning, Tom Holland,
uh, showed some interest.

2059
01:30:16,790 --> 01:30:20,000
"Child's Play" is so much mine
and is so much,

2060
01:30:20,104 --> 01:30:21,761
you know, it's not like
any of the others.

2061
01:30:21,864 --> 01:30:24,177
You can feel the electricity,
you can feel it working.

2062
01:30:24,280 --> 01:30:27,456
There's not a chance in hell
that would have happened.

2063
01:30:27,560 --> 01:30:30,804
That was never even discussed,
No if, ands or buts.

2064
01:30:30,908 --> 01:30:32,565
So we were all
just kind of united.

2065
01:30:32,668 --> 01:30:34,946
And of course John and I
being a little bit snot nosed,

2066
01:30:35,050 --> 01:30:38,053
we were like, we can do
this better than Tom Holland.

2067
01:30:38,156 --> 01:30:40,607
Unlike the experience
with the first movie,

2068
01:30:40,711 --> 01:30:43,886
John allowed me to be
around him and learn.

2069
01:30:43,990 --> 01:30:46,855
I just shadowed him
through everything

2070
01:30:46,958 --> 01:30:48,684
and he didn't have to do that.

2071
01:30:48,788 --> 01:30:50,583
I remember David
called and said,

2072
01:30:50,686 --> 01:30:52,457
"Hey, we're going to do a two,
and if we do a sequel,

2073
01:30:52,481 --> 01:30:54,281
we're trying to do better
than the first one."

2074
01:30:54,345 --> 01:30:55,545
We've certainly learned a lot.

2075
01:30:55,622 --> 01:30:56,796
If Chucky couldn't walk,

2076
01:30:56,899 --> 01:30:58,453
we made him walk
in the second one.

2077
01:30:58,556 --> 01:31:00,662
Chucky was more expensive
in "Child's Play II."

2078
01:31:00,765 --> 01:31:03,768
He was about $1 million,
I think, at that point.

2079
01:31:03,872 --> 01:31:06,184
And we were doing
new silicone molds

2080
01:31:06,288 --> 01:31:09,084
and running the foam skins
with the new formulas.

2081
01:31:09,187 --> 01:31:10,682
You're always trying
to invent new things

2082
01:31:10,706 --> 01:31:12,328
and not just do
the same old thing,

2083
01:31:12,432 --> 01:31:14,099
not just pull Chucky out of
the bag and start shooting him,

2084
01:31:14,123 --> 01:31:15,780
but to do something new
and different.

2085
01:31:15,884 --> 01:31:18,887
David and John Lafia
and I had talked about it.

2086
01:31:18,990 --> 01:31:21,303
We knew we wanted
to bring Andy back.

2087
01:31:21,406 --> 01:31:23,526
When I found out that
there was going to be a sequel,

2088
01:31:23,616 --> 01:31:25,618
that I was going to be
a very big part of it.

2089
01:31:25,721 --> 01:31:28,724
I knew that Andy had
a lot of good stuff to do.

2090
01:31:28,828 --> 01:31:31,865
I enjoyed the fact
that he was traumatized.

2091
01:31:31,969 --> 01:31:33,384
And now,

2092
01:31:33,488 --> 01:31:35,041
it's time to play.

2093
01:31:35,144 --> 01:31:38,251
There was never a thought
of of getting rid of Brad.

2094
01:31:38,354 --> 01:31:42,082
I mean, he's so cemented
that character and made it his.

2095
01:31:42,186 --> 01:31:45,085
I was already
contractually required to do it.

2096
01:31:45,189 --> 01:31:48,779
I had a three picture deal
with them, I was all in.

2097
01:31:48,882 --> 01:31:51,367
Hi, I'm Tommy and I'm
your friend to the end.

2098
01:31:51,471 --> 01:31:53,922
I didn't obviously know
that I would be a part of it,

2099
01:31:54,025 --> 01:31:55,820
so it was wonderful
to be cast again

2100
01:31:55,924 --> 01:31:58,236
as all the good guy dolls
and as good Chucky.

2101
01:31:58,340 --> 01:32:00,963
I probably was looking forward
to saying some bad words

2102
01:32:01,067 --> 01:32:03,069
and again,
didn't get the opportunity.

2103
01:32:03,172 --> 01:32:04,657
The mother's
a different matter.

2104
01:32:04,760 --> 01:32:06,417
She backed up
her boy's story in court,

2105
01:32:06,521 --> 01:32:08,695
so now she's under
psychiatric observation.

2106
01:32:08,799 --> 01:32:10,421
I knew Catherine would not
be returning

2107
01:32:10,525 --> 01:32:13,424
as soon as I got the script,
and I was bummed out about that.

2108
01:32:13,528 --> 01:32:16,565
Of course, I'm sure she was
bummed out about that as well.

2109
01:32:16,669 --> 01:32:19,257
There was a decision made

2110
01:32:19,361 --> 01:32:21,466
that Andy
would be on his own,

2111
01:32:21,570 --> 01:32:23,089
and so the foster system

2112
01:32:23,192 --> 01:32:26,161
felt like the most logical way
into the story.

2113
01:32:26,264 --> 01:32:28,715
John Mancini's thought
was that he really wanted

2114
01:32:28,819 --> 01:32:30,786
to explore the fact
that Catherine Hicks

2115
01:32:30,890 --> 01:32:32,995
had been put into
a mental institution

2116
01:32:33,099 --> 01:32:35,066
because of everything
that she went through.

2117
01:32:35,170 --> 01:32:37,517
I had no respect
for that decision.

2118
01:32:37,621 --> 01:32:39,001
I don't have to be in it,

2119
01:32:39,105 --> 01:32:41,486
but make her be doing
something better.

2120
01:32:41,590 --> 01:32:42,867
She wasn't crazy.

2121
01:32:42,971 --> 01:32:44,766
Yeah, what are you saying?
She's crazy?

2122
01:32:44,869 --> 01:32:46,630
I think even Don
came and apologized to me.

2123
01:32:46,733 --> 01:32:48,770
Like, I couldn't think
of a story with her in it.

2124
01:32:48,873 --> 01:32:50,288
So he thought of this.

2125
01:32:50,392 --> 01:32:51,990
It came to him,
and that's how things happened.

2126
01:32:52,014 --> 01:32:55,017
I remember Kevin saying
in a very kind fashion,

2127
01:32:55,121 --> 01:32:57,364
Chucky will probably
go on longer

2128
01:32:57,468 --> 01:32:58,883
in this franchise than you will.

2129
01:32:58,987 --> 01:33:00,343
The police were smart.
They denied everything.

2130
01:33:00,367 --> 01:33:02,104
Which is fine,
because now they can't hurt us.

2131
01:33:02,128 --> 01:33:04,509
I'm not sure how I would feel
about coming back

2132
01:33:04,613 --> 01:33:05,959
to battle Chucky.

2133
01:33:06,063 --> 01:33:09,100
First of all,
he was a relentless adversary.

2134
01:33:09,204 --> 01:33:12,517
And also the making of the
movie, which was very difficult.

2135
01:33:12,621 --> 01:33:14,209
And I'm very proud of the fact

2136
01:33:14,312 --> 01:33:16,970
that Mike still kind of alive
and around.

2137
01:33:17,074 --> 01:33:19,076
Without his mother,
Detective Norris,

2138
01:33:19,179 --> 01:33:22,700
Andy needed someone new to
help in his battle for survival.

2139
01:33:22,804 --> 01:33:25,530
A younger character
who proved to be smart,

2140
01:33:25,634 --> 01:33:28,085
strong, and sympathetic.

2141
01:33:28,188 --> 01:33:29,500
I got the audition

2142
01:33:29,604 --> 01:33:31,164
for "Child's Play II,"
the standard way.

2143
01:33:31,191 --> 01:33:33,021
My agent submitted me
and they brought me in.

2144
01:33:33,124 --> 01:33:35,161
I was 24 years old.
The character was 17.

2145
01:33:35,264 --> 01:33:37,301
I played teenagers
for a very long time.

2146
01:33:37,404 --> 01:33:38,820
There was a toughness to her,

2147
01:33:38,923 --> 01:33:41,546
but inside she had
this wonderful big sister,

2148
01:33:41,650 --> 01:33:43,445
maternal element to her.

2149
01:33:43,548 --> 01:33:45,067
I had attitude
because I had a job

2150
01:33:45,171 --> 01:33:46,571
and I had some power
and I was like,

2151
01:33:46,655 --> 01:33:47,935
let's get this show on the road.

2152
01:33:47,967 --> 01:33:49,220
I need to...
I have somewhere to be.

2153
01:33:49,244 --> 01:33:50,797
And I think
the added confidence

2154
01:33:50,901 --> 01:33:52,257
and the sort of attitude
that I had

2155
01:33:52,281 --> 01:33:53,593
was why I stood out.

2156
01:33:53,697 --> 01:33:55,768
The way I wrote Kyle.

2157
01:33:55,871 --> 01:33:57,469
You know, she would had
to have a toughness.

2158
01:33:57,493 --> 01:34:01,152
Christine had that in spades.
She just had that edge.

2159
01:34:01,256 --> 01:34:04,949
But she also had the crucial
warmth that you needed.

2160
01:34:05,053 --> 01:34:07,572
The sort of misunderstood
tough girl with a heart of gold.

2161
01:34:07,676 --> 01:34:09,229
It's... It's my stock and trade.

2162
01:34:09,333 --> 01:34:12,232
So Kyle was very much
in that sweet spot for me.

2163
01:34:12,336 --> 01:34:14,579
This is exactly how I wanted
to spend my day off.

2164
01:34:14,683 --> 01:34:16,236
Thanks a lot.

2165
01:34:16,340 --> 01:34:18,376
But I didn't break
the statue, really.

2166
01:34:18,480 --> 01:34:21,656
Alex Vincent was really easy
to work opposite,

2167
01:34:21,759 --> 01:34:23,934
and the bond
between us was very real.

2168
01:34:24,037 --> 01:34:26,764
He's a super cute kid,
really precocious, really smart.

2169
01:34:26,868 --> 01:34:28,386
She was so happy to be there.

2170
01:34:28,490 --> 01:34:30,941
She just had a great energy
that I really loved.

2171
01:34:31,044 --> 01:34:33,150
So forming that
brotherly sister bond

2172
01:34:33,253 --> 01:34:35,877
between the two of us
was very, very natural.

2173
01:34:35,980 --> 01:34:38,811
He seems normal enough,

2174
01:34:38,914 --> 01:34:40,260
but how has all
this affected him?

2175
01:34:40,364 --> 01:34:42,228
I was given a few roles
from time to time.

2176
01:34:42,331 --> 01:34:44,817
but "Child's Play II"
was not one of them.

2177
01:34:44,920 --> 01:34:47,820
I had to audition like
every other mother's son.

2178
01:34:47,923 --> 01:34:49,442
I was thrilled to work
with him

2179
01:34:49,545 --> 01:34:53,032
because he had been in a couple
of early DePalma films,

2180
01:34:53,135 --> 01:34:54,930
including
"Phantom of the Paradise,"

2181
01:34:55,034 --> 01:34:57,208
which I loved,
so just meeting him

2182
01:34:57,312 --> 01:34:58,762
was a real thrill for me.

2183
01:34:58,865 --> 01:35:01,385
"I'm alive, I'm alive.

2184
01:35:01,488 --> 01:35:03,594
Then the talking cricket said."
What did he say?

2185
01:35:03,698 --> 01:35:08,012
I had just done "Rain Man,"
and it had changed my life.

2186
01:35:08,116 --> 01:35:11,636
And one of the first auditions
that I was called for

2187
01:35:11,740 --> 01:35:13,155
was "Child's Play II."

2188
01:35:13,259 --> 01:35:15,433
So I called my friend
Dinah Manoff,

2189
01:35:15,537 --> 01:35:19,714
and I said, "I'm thinking
about doing a horror movie.

2190
01:35:19,817 --> 01:35:21,992
I read this script
and it's so good."

2191
01:35:22,095 --> 01:35:23,383
And she said, "Well,
what's it called?"

2192
01:35:23,407 --> 01:35:24,753
I said, "Child's Play II."

2193
01:35:24,857 --> 01:35:26,548
What do you think?
And she said, "Well..."

2194
01:35:26,651 --> 01:35:31,864
I suggest that you rent
"Child's Play" the original

2195
01:35:31,967 --> 01:35:34,245
and you will find
that I am in it.

2196
01:35:34,349 --> 01:35:36,972
I totally forgot about that.
That's true.

2197
01:35:38,525 --> 01:35:39,595
I did go to the audition

2198
01:35:39,699 --> 01:35:41,114
because I loved the character,

2199
01:35:41,218 --> 01:35:42,288
I knew her.

2200
01:35:42,391 --> 01:35:43,979
I was so happy
that it worked out.

2201
01:35:44,083 --> 01:35:46,154
With the film well,
on its way to production,

2202
01:35:46,257 --> 01:35:48,535
the filmmakers were given
a surprising

2203
01:35:48,639 --> 01:35:50,261
behind the scenes jolt

2204
01:35:50,365 --> 01:35:53,333
that would alter the course
of this potential new franchise.

2205
01:35:53,437 --> 01:35:58,304
So we developed the script
for "Child's Play II" at UA,

2206
01:35:58,407 --> 01:36:00,824
but it was
a different administration

2207
01:36:00,927 --> 01:36:02,377
than "Child's Play" one.

2208
01:36:02,480 --> 01:36:05,898
The studio got sold
to an Australian company

2209
01:36:06,001 --> 01:36:09,694
called Qintex,
sort of family-friendly brand.

2210
01:36:09,798 --> 01:36:13,077
My office called and said,
"I have some really bad news.

2211
01:36:13,181 --> 01:36:16,529
The gentleman that is going
to be buying United Artists

2212
01:36:16,632 --> 01:36:20,809
does not want to make a film
like this, and I was furious.

2213
01:36:20,913 --> 01:36:22,915
Here we deliver a film
that is the second

2214
01:36:23,018 --> 01:36:24,709
highest grossing film
of the year for you.

2215
01:36:24,813 --> 01:36:26,401
I was really angry and hurt.

2216
01:36:26,504 --> 01:36:29,991
They gave David the rights
to it free and clear,

2217
01:36:30,094 --> 01:36:32,027
because they had
an overall deal with David,

2218
01:36:32,131 --> 01:36:33,753
and they wanted
to keep him happy.

2219
01:36:33,857 --> 01:36:35,444
I turned to my attorney,
and he said,

2220
01:36:35,548 --> 01:36:37,550
"Everybody is going
to be calling about this film."

2221
01:36:37,653 --> 01:36:39,586
And it landed at Universal.

2222
01:36:39,690 --> 01:36:42,313
Within 24 hours, I get a call
from Steven Spielberg

2223
01:36:42,417 --> 01:36:44,488
saying, "Listen,
you made your first film

2224
01:36:44,591 --> 01:36:46,179
with me at Universal.

2225
01:36:46,283 --> 01:36:48,941
Can you do me the favor of just
bringing it to them first

2226
01:36:49,044 --> 01:36:50,494
and giving them your wish list?"

2227
01:36:50,597 --> 01:36:52,427
And I said, "Okay, okay."

2228
01:36:52,530 --> 01:36:55,154
You know, I mean,
anything for Steven Spielberg.

2229
01:36:55,257 --> 01:36:57,673
I didn't go anywhere else.
I just went to Universal.

2230
01:36:57,777 --> 01:36:58,977
And John and I were thrilled.

2231
01:36:59,054 --> 01:37:00,469
It's just Universal
and "Jaws"

2232
01:37:00,573 --> 01:37:02,955
and all the history
of Universal monsters,

2233
01:37:03,058 --> 01:37:05,095
that was the place
we wanted to end up.

2234
01:37:05,198 --> 01:37:06,751
Thanks to Steven Spielberg,

2235
01:37:06,855 --> 01:37:09,478
which is such an amazing thing
to even say.

2236
01:37:09,582 --> 01:37:12,274
The surprise shift
in film studios complete,

2237
01:37:12,378 --> 01:37:15,139
principal photography
on Chucky's sophomore outing

2238
01:37:15,243 --> 01:37:19,005
at last began
on November 6, 1989,

2239
01:37:19,109 --> 01:37:23,768
with a 55-day shooting schedule
and a $12 million budget.

2240
01:37:23,872 --> 01:37:25,080
The "Child's Play II" set

2241
01:37:25,184 --> 01:37:27,427
was a really friendly,
happy set.

2242
01:37:27,531 --> 01:37:30,361
I think that that tone
was mostly due

2243
01:37:30,465 --> 01:37:32,225
to John Lafia's kindness.

2244
01:37:32,329 --> 01:37:36,057
My memories of John were
polite again, trusting director.

2245
01:37:36,160 --> 01:37:38,300
I don't remember him yelling
or anything like that.

2246
01:37:38,404 --> 01:37:40,716
It was certainly
a very smooth set.

2247
01:37:40,820 --> 01:37:42,039
It looked like
he was having fun.

2248
01:37:42,063 --> 01:37:43,927
This was my first experience

2249
01:37:44,030 --> 01:37:46,412
being on set and I
was there all the time.

2250
01:37:46,515 --> 01:37:49,001
John was of course very busy
as the director,

2251
01:37:49,104 --> 01:37:50,692
but Don really pays attention.

2252
01:37:50,795 --> 01:37:52,314
He just like a kid
in a candy store.

2253
01:37:52,418 --> 01:37:54,799
He was just so excited
to be around his baby, really.

2254
01:37:54,903 --> 01:37:56,111
And to be accepted. too,

2255
01:37:56,215 --> 01:37:57,364
you know,
not to be an outcast.

2256
01:37:57,388 --> 01:37:59,011
I think all of
that contributed

2257
01:37:59,114 --> 01:38:00,702
to a really safe environment.

2258
01:38:00,805 --> 01:38:06,328
There's a lot of laughing
in that behind the scenes stuff.

2259
01:38:06,432 --> 01:38:08,986
The opening sequence,
I got to storyboard.

2260
01:38:09,090 --> 01:38:11,057
Which was fun,
and those are my hands

2261
01:38:11,161 --> 01:38:12,921
putting the doll together
and everything.

2262
01:38:13,025 --> 01:38:15,890
We all shared
this love of like,

2263
01:38:15,993 --> 01:38:20,308
the dark side of fairy tales.

2264
01:38:20,411 --> 01:38:22,517
I believe we made
the aluminum device

2265
01:38:22,620 --> 01:38:23,932
that held his eyes,

2266
01:38:24,036 --> 01:38:25,323
and that we had
to build a special head

2267
01:38:25,347 --> 01:38:26,693
just for the insert of the eyes.

2268
01:38:29,627 --> 01:38:32,182
The actor playing one of
the technicians was funny.

2269
01:38:32,285 --> 01:38:33,942
It was a fun set.
It was great.

2270
01:38:34,046 --> 01:38:35,161
I think it was one of
the first things we did do.

2271
01:38:35,185 --> 01:38:36,876
My stomach hurts, Mattson.

2272
01:38:36,980 --> 01:38:38,533
Is this what
you call good news?

2273
01:38:38,636 --> 01:38:40,638
I had an interesting
connection to Peter Haskell.

2274
01:38:40,742 --> 01:38:43,365
I worked on a soap opera
called "Search for Tomorrow,"

2275
01:38:43,469 --> 01:38:46,472
an NBC soap opera,
and I worked on the tech crew.

2276
01:38:46,575 --> 01:38:49,751
But Peter Haskell was on
"Search for Tomorrow,"

2277
01:38:49,854 --> 01:38:51,753
and he was really nice to me.

2278
01:38:51,856 --> 01:38:54,376
You smother this and you're out
of here in 24 hours.

2279
01:38:54,480 --> 01:38:57,724
- you got that?
- His favorite line in the movie.

2280
01:38:57,828 --> 01:39:00,106
- Stick it up your ass.
- I don't know why he loved it.

2281
01:39:00,210 --> 01:39:01,497
He just thought
that was hilarious.

2282
01:39:01,521 --> 01:39:03,351
Andy's fine now.

2283
01:39:03,454 --> 01:39:05,905
He just wants to get on
with his life.

2284
01:39:06,009 --> 01:39:08,149
Grace Zabriskie,
one of my heroes,

2285
01:39:08,252 --> 01:39:09,944
one of my role models

2286
01:39:10,047 --> 01:39:12,187
as a character actress
was in the movie.

2287
01:39:12,291 --> 01:39:14,396
The character's name,
Grace Poole,

2288
01:39:14,500 --> 01:39:17,020
who is a character
from Jane Eyre.

2289
01:39:17,123 --> 01:39:18,676
The figure was like someone

2290
01:39:18,780 --> 01:39:21,714
who is like assigning
foster families and such grace.

2291
01:39:21,817 --> 01:39:22,853
She's the greatest.

2292
01:39:22,957 --> 01:39:24,579
We hung with the same crowd.

2293
01:39:24,682 --> 01:39:28,376
We did and said things
that wouldn't bear repeating

2294
01:39:28,479 --> 01:39:31,172
on a nice family documentary
like this.

2295
01:39:31,275 --> 01:39:33,243
One of the things I thought
was really interesting

2296
01:39:33,346 --> 01:39:35,555
about the script
for "Child's Play II"

2297
01:39:35,659 --> 01:39:39,559
was that it explored
further the issue of family.

2298
01:39:39,663 --> 01:39:41,768
In the first one,
we had a single mom,

2299
01:39:41,872 --> 01:39:46,083
and now we had Andy being
taken in by foster parents.

2300
01:39:46,187 --> 01:39:48,465
I think they didn't really
care that much about Andy,

2301
01:39:48,568 --> 01:39:51,019
and I don't think Andy really
cared that much about them.

2302
01:39:51,123 --> 01:39:53,849
Andy, rule number two
no running in the house.

2303
01:39:53,953 --> 01:39:56,300
I took him as pissed off
about the fact

2304
01:39:56,404 --> 01:39:57,724
that they didn't have
a child yet.

2305
01:39:57,819 --> 01:39:59,476
So this notion of his anger

2306
01:39:59,579 --> 01:40:02,444
lent itself to a certain
impatience.

2307
01:40:02,548 --> 01:40:05,896
You could tell that there's
something going on with Phil

2308
01:40:06,000 --> 01:40:07,863
that is unspoken.

2309
01:40:07,967 --> 01:40:09,003
Bang!

2310
01:40:09,106 --> 01:40:10,452
You're dead.

2311
01:40:13,317 --> 01:40:14,732
The second film,
Mattson's death

2312
01:40:14,836 --> 01:40:17,183
was reminiscent of
the Chris Sarandon car scene.

2313
01:40:17,287 --> 01:40:19,058
I think it was a little bit
of a tip of the hat

2314
01:40:19,082 --> 01:40:20,566
or homage to that first film.

2315
01:40:20,669 --> 01:40:24,328
In those days, the genre
was a little bit camp

2316
01:40:24,432 --> 01:40:28,884
and still under the influence
of the earlier camp stuff.

2317
01:40:28,988 --> 01:40:31,025
"Dr. Phibes"
kind of started that,

2318
01:40:31,128 --> 01:40:33,096
where it was a little bit campy,

2319
01:40:33,199 --> 01:40:34,545
and the murders are, you know...

2320
01:40:39,447 --> 01:40:41,414
...have to be fun and gory.

2321
01:40:41,518 --> 01:40:43,382
I was concerned
about the bag, you know,

2322
01:40:43,485 --> 01:40:46,178
choking the actor because we had
to tie Chucky's hands into it.

2323
01:40:46,281 --> 01:40:47,869
And so we had to quickly
make sure

2324
01:40:47,972 --> 01:40:49,560
he could breathe
in between takes

2325
01:40:49,664 --> 01:40:51,904
because he was sucking that
plastic down into his throat.

2326
01:40:51,976 --> 01:40:54,945
I didn't want to kill the actor
with the plastic bag.

2327
01:40:55,049 --> 01:40:56,291
Hi! I'm Tommy.

2328
01:40:56,395 --> 01:40:58,259
Shut up, you idiot.

2329
01:40:58,362 --> 01:41:02,228
I heard that the naming was
a direct link to Tom Holland,

2330
01:41:02,332 --> 01:41:05,197
but I can't deny
or confirm for sure.

2331
01:41:05,300 --> 01:41:07,647
Yeah, it's Tom Holland.
Definitely. Yeah.

2332
01:41:07,751 --> 01:41:12,756
John and I both had
a bit of an axe to grind.

2333
01:41:12,859 --> 01:41:14,482
"Eat dirt, Tommy."

2334
01:41:14,585 --> 01:41:16,380
Eat dirt, Tommy.

2335
01:41:18,106 --> 01:41:19,383
The whole bait and switch,

2336
01:41:19,487 --> 01:41:21,972
the idea of, like,
there being another doll

2337
01:41:22,076 --> 01:41:23,939
and Chucky taking his place

2338
01:41:24,043 --> 01:41:26,218
and burying the other one
in the backyard,

2339
01:41:26,321 --> 01:41:28,841
again, there's something
very fairytale-ish

2340
01:41:28,944 --> 01:41:30,014
about all of that.

2341
01:41:30,118 --> 01:41:32,603
I'm innocent.

2342
01:41:32,707 --> 01:41:33,811
Andy?

2343
01:41:33,915 --> 01:41:35,468
I didn't do it.

2344
01:41:35,572 --> 01:41:38,195
In that home,
Andy definitely needed

2345
01:41:38,299 --> 01:41:39,645
more help and support

2346
01:41:39,748 --> 01:41:42,303
from his foster parents
than Christine.

2347
01:41:42,406 --> 01:41:45,720
She was practiced already
at taking care of herself.

2348
01:41:45,823 --> 01:41:49,275
The scenes that I had
with Alex were really fun,

2349
01:41:49,379 --> 01:41:51,312
and he had
the entire script memorized.

2350
01:41:51,415 --> 01:41:53,383
He was difficult to ad lib with.

2351
01:41:53,486 --> 01:41:55,902
I'm naturally a little ad-libby.

2352
01:41:56,006 --> 01:41:58,146
I remember that line
that I said to her, you know...

2353
01:41:58,250 --> 01:42:01,874
Want to hear me
say your name backwards?

2354
01:42:01,977 --> 01:42:02,978
Kyle.

2355
01:42:03,082 --> 01:42:04,242
He added that to the script.

2356
01:42:04,325 --> 01:42:05,567
At least that's what Alex says.

2357
01:42:05,671 --> 01:42:07,328
That's his story.
He's sticking to it.

2358
01:42:07,431 --> 01:42:09,744
That was stolen from
Mr. Volpi, my music teacher.

2359
01:42:11,366 --> 01:42:13,782
I had a good scene or two
with Miss Kettlewell.

2360
01:42:13,886 --> 01:42:17,200
This teacher was kind of a bitch
to Andy right from the start.

2361
01:42:17,303 --> 01:42:19,892
She's a control freak,
and she won't listen.

2362
01:42:19,995 --> 01:42:23,378
Andy does everything he can
to try to save the day,

2363
01:42:23,482 --> 01:42:25,656
but she doesn't listen.

2364
01:42:25,760 --> 01:42:26,760
Sit down and get comfy.

2365
01:42:26,830 --> 01:42:28,556
You're going to be here
for a while.

2366
01:42:28,659 --> 01:42:30,219
Miss Kettlewell
was the personification

2367
01:42:30,316 --> 01:42:32,629
of the obtuse adult...

2368
01:42:32,732 --> 01:42:33,975
Head down!

2369
01:42:34,078 --> 01:42:36,426
...who just won't
listen to the kid.

2370
01:42:36,529 --> 01:42:39,049
And, of course,
she pays dearly for it.

2371
01:42:39,153 --> 01:42:41,534
She was a lot like
a P.E. teacher

2372
01:42:41,638 --> 01:42:45,642
that I had had and other people
that I knew, very rigid.

2373
01:42:45,745 --> 01:42:48,541
We have all had
that horrible person

2374
01:42:48,645 --> 01:42:52,752
whose way of controlling you
is through humiliation.

2375
01:42:52,856 --> 01:42:55,893
And we have all been
humiliated by teachers.

2376
01:42:55,997 --> 01:42:59,311
To get to play that character
who's not listening,

2377
01:42:59,414 --> 01:43:02,624
and if she had listened,
she would have lived,

2378
01:43:02,728 --> 01:43:03,832
just thrilled me.

2379
01:43:03,936 --> 01:43:06,007
Aah!

2380
01:43:07,629 --> 01:43:09,838
That whole sequence
of Miss Kettlewell's death,

2381
01:43:09,942 --> 01:43:11,357
it's shocking.

2382
01:43:11,461 --> 01:43:13,497
They did have a stuntwoman
do the actual fall.

2383
01:43:13,601 --> 01:43:16,224
I wanted to do it,
but they insisted.

2384
01:43:16,328 --> 01:43:18,502
They got her little bun
and her same outfit.

2385
01:43:18,606 --> 01:43:22,437
And John Lafia really wanted
a pretty violent fall.

2386
01:43:22,541 --> 01:43:25,199
I mean, she hit 3 or 4 desks
at once and then fell over,

2387
01:43:25,302 --> 01:43:27,201
and then she had to have
the wherewithal

2388
01:43:27,304 --> 01:43:29,203
to cover her face with her arm.

2389
01:43:29,306 --> 01:43:30,928
Chucky's gonna
kill Beth Grant,

2390
01:43:31,032 --> 01:43:34,518
and he emerges from the closet
with the ruler and says...

2391
01:43:34,622 --> 01:43:40,662
You've been very naughty,
Miss Kettlewell.

2392
01:43:40,766 --> 01:43:42,468
He's got that ruler.
It was tough to kind of get him

2393
01:43:42,492 --> 01:43:45,357
to smack at the right speed
and then also catch it.

2394
01:43:45,460 --> 01:43:47,807
We tried a walking rig
that worked really well.

2395
01:43:47,911 --> 01:43:51,846
All the cables ran
behind the puppet's back,

2396
01:43:51,949 --> 01:43:53,261
and the boom

2397
01:43:53,365 --> 01:43:55,045
and all the paraphernalia
that went with it

2398
01:43:55,090 --> 01:43:57,645
was actually a hole
in the wall of the closet.

2399
01:43:57,748 --> 01:44:00,510
I remember John spending
pretty much a day

2400
01:44:00,613 --> 01:44:02,512
doing like a couple
of shots there,

2401
01:44:02,615 --> 01:44:04,686
and I think that there was
a lot of pressure

2402
01:44:04,790 --> 01:44:08,897
from above to like,
"Dude, you got to move on."

2403
01:44:09,001 --> 01:44:11,728
Aah!

2404
01:44:11,831 --> 01:44:14,109
Again, a great
Don Mancini death.

2405
01:44:14,213 --> 01:44:15,939
Whoever thinks of being
beaten to death

2406
01:44:16,042 --> 01:44:17,492
with a ruler?
Don Mancini does.

2407
01:44:17,596 --> 01:44:19,676
That was kind of for all those
Catholic school kids.

2408
01:44:19,770 --> 01:44:22,186
Miss Kettlewell's death
I was not on set for it,

2409
01:44:22,290 --> 01:44:23,774
but I wish I had been.

2410
01:44:23,878 --> 01:44:27,191
It was definitely my favorite
kill of the franchise.

2411
01:44:27,295 --> 01:44:28,652
Well, it starts off
being played for laughs,

2412
01:44:28,676 --> 01:44:31,575
and then that, too,
gets pretty dismal.

2413
01:44:31,679 --> 01:44:33,405
For me, it was hilarious.

2414
01:44:33,508 --> 01:44:36,649
When I'm lying on the ground,
screaming, screaming,

2415
01:44:36,753 --> 01:44:39,411
but it's the seven guys plus
Chucky that are coming at you.

2416
01:44:39,514 --> 01:44:41,516
It's quite easy
to get into the moment.

2417
01:44:41,620 --> 01:44:43,277
When we had
to loop the screams

2418
01:44:43,380 --> 01:44:46,003
on the looping stage later,
I was such a nut.

2419
01:44:46,107 --> 01:44:48,489
I mean, I took my acting way
too seriously back then,

2420
01:44:48,592 --> 01:44:50,387
and I would go over
in the corner,

2421
01:44:50,491 --> 01:44:53,252
and I would re-create my death,

2422
01:44:53,356 --> 01:44:55,565
and I would, "Ohh! Ohh!",

2423
01:44:55,668 --> 01:44:58,084
and then I would go
to the microphone and go,

2424
01:44:58,188 --> 01:45:00,121
"Ahh! Ahh!"

2425
01:45:00,224 --> 01:45:01,743
I mean, ridiculous.

2426
01:45:01,847 --> 01:45:03,504
There was a lot of things
to figure out.

2427
01:45:03,607 --> 01:45:05,033
We had to do a lot
of things with camera speed,

2428
01:45:05,057 --> 01:45:06,655
walk slower, talk slower
and then speed it up.

2429
01:45:06,679 --> 01:45:08,543
So we did a lot
of those kind of tricks.

2430
01:45:08,647 --> 01:45:10,338
I got to go on set
and puppeteer,

2431
01:45:10,442 --> 01:45:14,549
and I was his brows,
his snarls, and his tongue.

2432
01:45:14,653 --> 01:45:17,034
And we also had a joke on that,
that I was his liver,

2433
01:45:17,138 --> 01:45:20,210
because we would all go on
Friday nights and go drinking.

2434
01:45:20,314 --> 01:45:21,981
Joanne, the child
needs professional help!

2435
01:45:22,005 --> 01:45:24,283
Oh, stop pretending
you're worried about Andy.

2436
01:45:24,387 --> 01:45:26,019
You never wanted him here
in the first place.

2437
01:45:26,043 --> 01:45:28,287
Jenny's character,
she was gonna do her damnedest

2438
01:45:28,391 --> 01:45:29,633
to be a good mom,

2439
01:45:29,737 --> 01:45:32,464
whereas Phil,
the redoubtable Phil,

2440
01:45:32,567 --> 01:45:36,191
was not that keen
on being a foster dad.

2441
01:45:36,295 --> 01:45:38,228
Phil's death scene
is my favorite kill.

2442
01:45:38,332 --> 01:45:40,126
It's one of the best moments
for Chucky.

2443
01:45:43,647 --> 01:45:45,546
It's one of my favorite
one-liners of the film.

2444
01:45:45,649 --> 01:45:47,237
How's it hanging, Phil?

2445
01:45:47,341 --> 01:45:49,239
I wanted Brad
whispering that in my ear.

2446
01:45:49,343 --> 01:45:50,792
"How's it hanging, Phil?"

2447
01:45:50,896 --> 01:45:52,932
That character was a jerk,
so he deserved it.

2448
01:45:53,036 --> 01:45:55,556
So I was rooting for Chucky
in that one.

2449
01:45:55,659 --> 01:45:59,076
That basement set needed
6 feet above the stage floor

2450
01:45:59,180 --> 01:46:00,768
for all the puppeteers to go.

2451
01:46:00,871 --> 01:46:03,184
When Phil lands and,
pbt!, snaps his neck,

2452
01:46:03,287 --> 01:46:06,014
that was shot in reverse.

2453
01:46:08,396 --> 01:46:10,502
It started with me
on the floor,

2454
01:46:10,605 --> 01:46:12,918
and a rope around my foot...
action!

2455
01:46:13,021 --> 01:46:14,678
and they pulled me up
out of the shot

2456
01:46:14,782 --> 01:46:16,656
as fast as they could.
And when they printed it,

2457
01:46:16,680 --> 01:46:19,131
they ran it in reverse,
obviously.

2458
01:46:19,234 --> 01:46:21,167
But I never felt...

2459
01:46:21,271 --> 01:46:22,893
I mean,
I've done some stunts.

2460
01:46:22,997 --> 01:46:26,483
I should have listened to that
nagging voice on my shoulder

2461
01:46:26,587 --> 01:46:28,382
saying,
"Are you fucking crazy?

2462
01:46:28,485 --> 01:46:31,523
These people are
gonna kill you!"

2463
01:46:31,626 --> 01:46:34,491
Phil didn't listen,
and now he's dead.

2464
01:46:34,595 --> 01:46:36,390
It's one of the best moments
for Chucky.

2465
01:46:36,493 --> 01:46:39,910
And Jenny Agutter's screams
are gut-wrenching.

2466
01:46:40,014 --> 01:46:41,774
It's a really great
performance from her.

2467
01:46:41,878 --> 01:46:43,845
Oh, God! No!

2468
01:46:43,949 --> 01:46:46,710
Jenny Agutter was
very unhappy on this movie.

2469
01:46:46,814 --> 01:46:48,367
She hated her experience.

2470
01:46:48,471 --> 01:46:50,058
I think the role
embarrassed her.

2471
01:46:50,162 --> 01:46:53,441
I think her relationship with
John was a little contentious,

2472
01:46:53,545 --> 01:46:55,581
'cause I think she felt
that John's attention

2473
01:46:55,685 --> 01:46:57,825
was too on effects.

2474
01:46:57,928 --> 01:47:01,691
Actors understandably
get frustrated

2475
01:47:01,794 --> 01:47:03,589
that Chucky's the star,
and the puppet

2476
01:47:03,693 --> 01:47:07,248
is going to get more takes
than the human actors.

2477
01:47:07,351 --> 01:47:08,905
The doll had to get it right.

2478
01:47:09,008 --> 01:47:11,355
So you might do 19 takes
to have the doll get it right,

2479
01:47:11,459 --> 01:47:13,047
and if he gets it right,

2480
01:47:13,150 --> 01:47:15,094
they're gonna use that take
even if you sucked in it.

2481
01:47:17,638 --> 01:47:19,605
My favorite sequence is,
Kyle realizes

2482
01:47:19,709 --> 01:47:23,644
that Chucky is...
actually might be real.

2483
01:47:23,747 --> 01:47:25,907
I had just worked with
Johnny Depp on "21 Jump Street,"

2484
01:47:25,991 --> 01:47:27,648
and I learned a lot
from watching him

2485
01:47:27,751 --> 01:47:28,994
just commit to things

2486
01:47:29,097 --> 01:47:30,789
that might have
seemed embarrassing,

2487
01:47:30,892 --> 01:47:32,767
but they're only embarrassing
if you don't commit.

2488
01:47:32,791 --> 01:47:35,379
My favorite scene in that film
is when Christine Elise

2489
01:47:35,483 --> 01:47:36,967
is moving up the stairs,

2490
01:47:37,071 --> 01:47:39,418
and you're just hearing
the sound of a sewing machine.

2491
01:47:41,558 --> 01:47:43,974
John Lafia's approach
to making the movie

2492
01:47:44,078 --> 01:47:45,735
was extremely dynamic.

2493
01:47:45,838 --> 01:47:49,393
You come into the room,
and she turns the chair around,

2494
01:47:49,497 --> 01:47:51,879
and you see what she looks like.

2495
01:47:53,881 --> 01:47:56,400
Production-wise, it means
moving the camera a lot,

2496
01:47:56,504 --> 01:47:58,023
which is time-consuming.

2497
01:47:58,126 --> 01:48:00,957
John did a great job
directing it. It's really scary.

2498
01:48:03,822 --> 01:48:05,030
Aah!

2499
01:48:05,133 --> 01:48:06,825
That was the hardest
for me, physically.

2500
01:48:06,928 --> 01:48:08,343
They strapped the doll on you,

2501
01:48:08,447 --> 01:48:09,873
and it's one of the dolls
that just kicks.

2502
01:48:09,897 --> 01:48:11,968
So his legs just
do this constantly,

2503
01:48:12,071 --> 01:48:14,384
and then you've got to sell
all the rest of the action.

2504
01:48:14,488 --> 01:48:16,811
Throw myself against the walls,
throw yourself against the bed.

2505
01:48:16,835 --> 01:48:18,215
You know, you feel like a fool.

2506
01:48:19,596 --> 01:48:21,425
And because Don
is such a cinephile

2507
01:48:21,529 --> 01:48:23,531
and prone to homages,

2508
01:48:23,635 --> 01:48:27,328
that was my Catherine Hicks
moment in the film.

2509
01:48:27,431 --> 01:48:28,467
What are you looking at?

2510
01:48:28,571 --> 01:48:29,779
People don't realize the doll

2511
01:48:29,882 --> 01:48:31,884
isn't inherently mean-looking,

2512
01:48:31,988 --> 01:48:34,473
and the puppeteers can make him
do anything they want.

2513
01:48:34,577 --> 01:48:36,130
So in between takes in the car,

2514
01:48:36,233 --> 01:48:38,349
they would have Chucky reaching
over and caressing my thigh

2515
01:48:38,373 --> 01:48:40,652
and batting his eyelashes at me
and being super cute.

2516
01:48:40,755 --> 01:48:42,377
And at one point,
I turned over,

2517
01:48:42,481 --> 01:48:45,173
and I went in for the kiss,
and they caught that still.

2518
01:48:45,277 --> 01:48:48,038
It's one of my favorite photos
from the entire franchise.

2519
01:48:48,142 --> 01:48:49,937
I got to direct Chucky.

2520
01:48:50,040 --> 01:48:52,146
I heard that John kind of said,
"Okay,

2521
01:48:52,249 --> 01:48:53,917
that's enough
of Kevin's directing Chucky."

2522
01:48:53,941 --> 01:48:55,736
Knowing that he was the star,
he was like,

2523
01:48:55,839 --> 01:48:57,299
"He's having all the fun.
I'm having to direct actors,

2524
01:48:57,323 --> 01:48:58,946
and he gets to direct this."

2525
01:48:59,049 --> 01:49:01,811
So I noticed my job
went from directing Chucky

2526
01:49:01,914 --> 01:49:04,434
now to directing cars
driving down the street.

2527
01:49:07,713 --> 01:49:09,266
The cop stuff was shot first,

2528
01:49:09,370 --> 01:49:11,165
and it was shot at like 4:30
in the morning,

2529
01:49:11,268 --> 01:49:13,995
and we couldn't get around
to my stuff on the night.

2530
01:49:14,099 --> 01:49:15,779
That got pushed to the end
of the schedule,

2531
01:49:15,825 --> 01:49:18,103
and I did all my side of
that dialogue with the...

2532
01:49:18,206 --> 01:49:20,312
You seen dolls that pee?

2533
01:49:20,415 --> 01:49:21,589
This one bleeds.

2534
01:49:21,693 --> 01:49:23,764
It's on stage, weeks later.

2535
01:49:24,834 --> 01:49:26,249
Get into my office.

2536
01:49:26,352 --> 01:49:29,010
Grace Zabriskie was an edgy
non-ally to Alex.

2537
01:49:29,114 --> 01:49:30,754
The most important thing
for the franchise

2538
01:49:30,805 --> 01:49:32,842
is that nobody believes
that Chucky is real,

2539
01:49:32,945 --> 01:49:35,223
and I think she pulled
that off very well.

2540
01:49:35,327 --> 01:49:37,053
Is this your idea of a joke?

2541
01:49:37,156 --> 01:49:39,814
I had only had a couple scenes
with Grace Zabriskie.

2542
01:49:39,918 --> 01:49:41,827
The one scene that I remember
is right before her death

2543
01:49:41,851 --> 01:49:43,093
at the copy machine.

2544
01:49:43,197 --> 01:49:45,233
In that room,
when we were filming,

2545
01:49:45,337 --> 01:49:49,479
a massive stage light fell
and landed right on my head.

2546
01:49:49,583 --> 01:49:51,861
Amazing isn't it?

2547
01:49:54,070 --> 01:49:55,278
Grace's death.

2548
01:49:55,381 --> 01:49:57,521
It's the photocopier
that makes it memorable.

2549
01:49:59,247 --> 01:50:01,249
She was also
an amazing screamer,

2550
01:50:01,353 --> 01:50:04,011
and I just thought the idea
of someone getting their face

2551
01:50:04,114 --> 01:50:07,117
photocopied as they're dying
was interesting.

2552
01:50:07,221 --> 01:50:11,743
I think the deaths, on a whole,
had a torture aspect to them.

2553
01:50:11,846 --> 01:50:14,331
My initial thought when
I was watching that scene was,

2554
01:50:14,435 --> 01:50:17,749
God, I wish I had one of
those Xeroxes and frame it

2555
01:50:17,852 --> 01:50:19,336
and put it up on the wall.

2556
01:50:19,440 --> 01:50:22,201
you know, of Grace going...

2557
01:50:24,721 --> 01:50:26,999
I don't think there's any
particular reason

2558
01:50:27,103 --> 01:50:30,209
why Chucky needs
to take Andy to the toy factory.

2559
01:50:30,313 --> 01:50:33,178
Unless he was maybe
trying out a new voodoo spell

2560
01:50:33,281 --> 01:50:34,869
that he hadn't really
figured out.

2561
01:50:34,973 --> 01:50:36,457
It's a good thing to assume

2562
01:50:36,560 --> 01:50:37,848
if you need
some clarification there.

2563
01:50:37,872 --> 01:50:40,116
The factory
was really exciting,

2564
01:50:40,219 --> 01:50:42,152
and I was so thrilled
that we were actually

2565
01:50:42,256 --> 01:50:43,913
gonna be able
to put that on screen,

2566
01:50:44,016 --> 01:50:46,743
since it had been cut
from number one.

2567
01:50:46,847 --> 01:50:47,962
All the stuff
in the warehouse

2568
01:50:47,986 --> 01:50:49,573
was super fun to shoot.

2569
01:50:49,677 --> 01:50:52,197
You know, all these really dark,
sinister things are happening

2570
01:50:52,300 --> 01:50:54,440
in this incredibly
colorful setting.

2571
01:50:54,544 --> 01:50:58,099
Just, like, seeing the various
machines and doing the gags,

2572
01:50:58,203 --> 01:51:01,033
and, you know, John and I
were big "Shining" fans.

2573
01:51:01,137 --> 01:51:02,828
I'm coming!

2574
01:51:02,932 --> 01:51:05,762
And so we did that maze
with the boxes.

2575
01:51:05,866 --> 01:51:07,833
There were 80 million
of those boxes

2576
01:51:07,937 --> 01:51:10,629
that they had manufactured
to be all stacked up.

2577
01:51:10,733 --> 01:51:12,320
Like a jackass, I never got one.

2578
01:51:12,424 --> 01:51:13,677
I don't know what the fuck
I was thinking.

2579
01:51:13,701 --> 01:51:15,323
I didn't take one.

2580
01:51:15,427 --> 01:51:17,198
There were two different
types of boxes for background,

2581
01:51:17,222 --> 01:51:19,500
in which there was only
a photograph of the doll,

2582
01:51:19,603 --> 01:51:22,434
and it made it look like
it was underneath cellophane,

2583
01:51:22,537 --> 01:51:26,058
and it was about 500,
in which we had cellophane front

2584
01:51:26,162 --> 01:51:28,440
and an actual doll
in the box itself.

2585
01:51:28,543 --> 01:51:32,547
I was just amazed at how
imaginative Ivo Cristante was

2586
01:51:32,651 --> 01:51:34,273
in coming up with that set.

2587
01:51:34,377 --> 01:51:37,518
John Lafia, the director,
gave me an awful lot of freedom,

2588
01:51:37,621 --> 01:51:38,795
and he says, "What I want

2589
01:51:38,899 --> 01:51:41,556
is an insidious-looking
Disneyland."

2590
01:51:41,660 --> 01:51:44,007
Hiding us was an issue,
you know,

2591
01:51:44,111 --> 01:51:46,044
because in that one set,
it's kind of open.

2592
01:51:46,147 --> 01:51:48,022
But Kevin was really good
at helping the director

2593
01:51:48,046 --> 01:51:49,668
figure out
how to get those angles

2594
01:51:49,772 --> 01:51:50,945
without too much trouble.

2595
01:51:51,049 --> 01:51:53,568
- And strike, go!
- Cut it.

2596
01:51:53,672 --> 01:51:55,881
The set was built
at Thatcher Glass,

2597
01:51:55,985 --> 01:51:58,504
this enormous warehouse
in Valencia, California,

2598
01:51:58,608 --> 01:52:02,405
too big to fit into any of
the soundstages at Universal.

2599
01:52:02,508 --> 01:52:03,820
That's why we went up there.

2600
01:52:03,924 --> 01:52:07,582
The factory
is like a Vegas casino.

2601
01:52:09,205 --> 01:52:11,069
It seems much easier
to get in

2602
01:52:11,172 --> 01:52:13,105
than to find your way
back out of it again.

2603
01:52:13,209 --> 01:52:14,244
Let's go!

2604
01:52:14,348 --> 01:52:15,521
I'll go first.

2605
01:52:15,625 --> 01:52:17,109
Stay right behind me.

2606
01:52:17,213 --> 01:52:18,939
The warehouse was like a maze,

2607
01:52:19,042 --> 01:52:21,079
so maybe we thought we had
to go up to get out.

2608
01:52:21,182 --> 01:52:24,910
The climax of that film,
in the toy factory,

2609
01:52:25,014 --> 01:52:27,430
with all of the mechanics
that are going on

2610
01:52:27,533 --> 01:52:30,019
and the building of a doll,
is staggering.

2611
01:52:30,122 --> 01:52:31,745
Things are coming in
from all sides.

2612
01:52:31,848 --> 01:52:34,368
That was very time-consuming
to shoot.

2613
01:52:34,471 --> 01:52:36,094
The shoot was like 55 days.

2614
01:52:36,197 --> 01:52:40,443
But, you know, I think
there were probably 15 days,

2615
01:52:40,546 --> 01:52:42,652
maybe, or more out there.

2616
01:52:42,756 --> 01:52:44,378
I had already
started KNB EFX Group

2617
01:52:44,481 --> 01:52:45,931
with Greg Nicotero.

2618
01:52:46,035 --> 01:52:47,835
Kevin threw us some effects,
which were great.

2619
01:52:47,864 --> 01:52:49,462
He's like, "Hey,
I gotta do these dummies.

2620
01:52:49,486 --> 01:52:51,326
You know, these guys
that, you know, are killed

2621
01:52:51,385 --> 01:52:53,628
and, like, the Chucky eyes
are shoved into their heads.

2622
01:52:53,732 --> 01:52:55,052
You know,
are you up for the task?

2623
01:52:55,113 --> 01:52:56,631
Do you feel like
you want to do them?"

2624
01:52:56,735 --> 01:52:58,195
So it gave me a reason
to go visit them,

2625
01:52:58,219 --> 01:52:59,852
which was tons of fun
and see all my friends.

2626
01:52:59,876 --> 01:53:02,016
Chucky proves to be
exceptionally relentless

2627
01:53:02,120 --> 01:53:03,673
in that factory sequence.

2628
01:53:03,777 --> 01:53:05,502
Action!
And dummy!

2629
01:53:05,606 --> 01:53:08,195
He gets his hand cut off
and shoves a knife down his arm,

2630
01:53:08,298 --> 01:53:09,620
which, even though
you know it's a doll,

2631
01:53:09,644 --> 01:53:10,764
is really gruesome to watch.

2632
01:53:10,853 --> 01:53:12,199
He gets stuck in that machine

2633
01:53:12,302 --> 01:53:13,821
that puts all arms
and legs in him,

2634
01:53:13,925 --> 01:53:15,927
and he gets stapled
to this thing.

2635
01:53:16,030 --> 01:53:17,445
And that's the nature
of villains.

2636
01:53:17,549 --> 01:53:18,861
They just don't stay down.

2637
01:53:18,964 --> 01:53:21,587
The differences between
the first and second

2638
01:53:21,691 --> 01:53:23,348
was the amount of torture.

2639
01:53:27,076 --> 01:53:29,975
And that all required
me screaming

2640
01:53:30,079 --> 01:53:31,528
and feeling all that pain.

2641
01:53:31,632 --> 01:53:33,358
So that was like a nightmare.

2642
01:53:34,911 --> 01:53:37,017
And when I melt him
with that hot wax,

2643
01:53:37,120 --> 01:53:38,742
that was super fun to shoot.

2644
01:53:38,846 --> 01:53:40,468
It wasn't really hot
in real life,

2645
01:53:40,572 --> 01:53:43,057
but it did shoot out of there
with an intense velocity.

2646
01:53:43,161 --> 01:53:45,587
It was a Methylcellulose, which
is, like, this food thickener.

2647
01:53:45,611 --> 01:53:47,279
The special effects guys
added smoke to the liquid

2648
01:53:47,303 --> 01:53:49,650
as it came out
to make it look like it was hot,

2649
01:53:49,753 --> 01:53:51,341
but it was actually cold.

2650
01:53:51,445 --> 01:53:53,827
And then we cut to a brand-new
art piece that was Chucky,

2651
01:53:53,930 --> 01:53:56,001
molded onto a floor
with all this silicone

2652
01:53:56,105 --> 01:53:57,841
and everything that came
into a brand-new puppet

2653
01:53:57,865 --> 01:53:59,315
that had a brand-new head to it.

2654
01:53:59,418 --> 01:54:01,696
Any time that I get to hurt
the doll is my favorite.

2655
01:54:01,800 --> 01:54:03,595
While I sometimes
find it frustrating

2656
01:54:03,698 --> 01:54:06,736
that horror movie final girls
don't get themselves away

2657
01:54:06,840 --> 01:54:10,084
from the allegedly dead villain
that they've been fighting...

2658
01:54:12,776 --> 01:54:14,054
Aah!

2659
01:54:15,849 --> 01:54:18,852
...Kyle does the same thing.
Kyle hovers over the melted wax

2660
01:54:18,955 --> 01:54:21,440
and invites the attack
that inevitably comes.

2661
01:54:21,544 --> 01:54:22,544
Action!

2662
01:54:24,340 --> 01:54:26,238
You never really
get to kill Chucky.

2663
01:54:26,342 --> 01:54:29,621
I've killed him several times,
and none of them take, it seems.

2664
01:54:29,724 --> 01:54:31,044
"Was this it?
Have we killed him?"

2665
01:54:31,071 --> 01:54:32,796
Not yet.
Try again.

2666
01:54:32,900 --> 01:54:35,144
Eat this, you son of a bitch!

2667
01:54:35,247 --> 01:54:37,422
Christine shoves the tube
into Chucky's mouth,

2668
01:54:37,525 --> 01:54:39,527
and we use the first
melted puppet for that.

2669
01:54:39,631 --> 01:54:41,643
And then, through cuts,
it would cut away and cut back,

2670
01:54:41,667 --> 01:54:44,636
and we had an expandable head
that had bladders in it

2671
01:54:44,739 --> 01:54:47,639
that we began to stretch it out,
and then we cut to another head

2672
01:54:47,742 --> 01:54:50,331
that was fully out to like
the size of a basketball.

2673
01:54:50,435 --> 01:54:52,713
And again, this is
the John Lafia kind of humor.

2674
01:54:52,816 --> 01:54:54,197
He would just... "Heh heh!"...

2675
01:54:54,301 --> 01:54:56,268
laugh at it the whole time
in the background

2676
01:54:56,372 --> 01:54:57,832
because he just loved
this kind of stuff.

2677
01:54:59,754 --> 01:55:01,515
Chucky blowing up
was an homage

2678
01:55:01,618 --> 01:55:04,518
to De Palma's "The Fury,"
with John Cassavetes blowing up,

2679
01:55:04,621 --> 01:55:06,427
and we, you know, showed it
from the different angles.

2680
01:55:06,451 --> 01:55:08,729
Chucky, at this point,
is Wile E. Coyote.

2681
01:55:08,832 --> 01:55:12,629
We burn him, we rip him apart,
we poke his eyes out,

2682
01:55:12,733 --> 01:55:14,666
and he deserves
every bit of it,

2683
01:55:14,769 --> 01:55:16,599
and you're happy
that it's happening.

2684
01:55:16,702 --> 01:55:19,326
Kill him before he can say it.

2685
01:55:19,429 --> 01:55:21,224
But how?
How?

2686
01:55:21,328 --> 01:55:23,123
- Shoot him through the heart.
- Heart.

2687
01:55:23,226 --> 01:55:24,503
It would be over.

2688
01:55:24,607 --> 01:55:27,644
It's the only way...
through the heart.

2689
01:55:27,748 --> 01:55:29,853
Didn't we learn something
from the first film?

2690
01:55:32,926 --> 01:55:34,479
The ending of the movie
cracks me up

2691
01:55:34,582 --> 01:55:37,516
because we walk out of
the factory into broad daylight.

2692
01:55:37,620 --> 01:55:39,898
My hair looks better than it
ever did in the whole movie.

2693
01:55:40,002 --> 01:55:41,486
I have perfect hair,

2694
01:55:41,589 --> 01:55:43,222
which I wish I had
that hair the whole time,

2695
01:55:43,246 --> 01:55:44,834
and we've just
gone through hell,

2696
01:55:44,938 --> 01:55:46,491
and people we know are dead.

2697
01:55:46,594 --> 01:55:49,045
Two people, our foster parents,
are both dead,

2698
01:55:49,149 --> 01:55:50,367
and we walk out,
and he's like...

2699
01:55:50,391 --> 01:55:53,429
- Where are we going?
- Home.

2700
01:55:53,532 --> 01:55:54,533
Where's home?

2701
01:55:54,637 --> 01:55:56,328
"I have no idea!"

2702
01:55:56,432 --> 01:55:58,123
Like nothing bad
happened at all.

2703
01:55:58,227 --> 01:55:59,504
It's hilarious.

2704
01:55:59,607 --> 01:56:01,506
Well, there was,
as originally filmed,

2705
01:56:01,609 --> 01:56:04,509
we go back in,
and we see blood dripping

2706
01:56:04,612 --> 01:56:08,892
from Chucky's exploded remains
into that vat of plastic.

2707
01:56:08,996 --> 01:56:12,793
And then John did this kind of
graceful, cool camera movement

2708
01:56:12,896 --> 01:56:15,899
up to show this new head
coming out of the assembly line,

2709
01:56:16,003 --> 01:56:17,418
and it smiles.

2710
01:56:17,522 --> 01:56:19,973
And that, again,
was something from the end

2711
01:56:20,076 --> 01:56:22,458
of my original script for
"Blood Buddy."

2712
01:56:22,561 --> 01:56:26,082
John just wanted to leave it
on them walking out.

2713
01:56:26,186 --> 01:56:29,706
They had defeated the beast,
and yet again,

2714
01:56:29,810 --> 01:56:32,537
here we were lucky enough
to get a second film.

2715
01:56:32,640 --> 01:56:34,401
I don't think
we were thinking of,

2716
01:56:34,504 --> 01:56:36,920
"Oh, we're going to leave
a cliffhanger of any kind."

2717
01:56:37,024 --> 01:56:39,751
That very well could have been
the ending of Andy's story.

2718
01:56:39,854 --> 01:56:41,891
It could have been
the ending of Chucky's story.

2719
01:56:41,995 --> 01:56:44,825
I think we're both
very thankful it wasn't.

2720
01:56:44,928 --> 01:56:47,000
With production
on the sequel wrapped,

2721
01:56:47,103 --> 01:56:48,863
all eyes turned
to putting together

2722
01:56:48,967 --> 01:56:51,107
what the cast
and crew had created,

2723
01:56:51,211 --> 01:56:53,627
hoping to take Chucky
from fright favorite

2724
01:56:53,730 --> 01:56:55,594
to outright icon.

2725
01:56:55,698 --> 01:56:58,494
I have strong memories
of going to dailies

2726
01:56:58,597 --> 01:56:59,805
with John Lafia

2727
01:56:59,909 --> 01:57:02,222
and Ed Warschilka Sr.,
our editor,

2728
01:57:02,325 --> 01:57:04,189
and it was fascinating for me

2729
01:57:04,293 --> 01:57:06,502
to see them working
together in dailies,

2730
01:57:06,605 --> 01:57:08,366
because I could hear
what they talked about

2731
01:57:08,469 --> 01:57:11,541
and figure out what they thought
made the scene better.

2732
01:57:11,645 --> 01:57:14,027
I was aware that some
of our stuff was cut.

2733
01:57:14,130 --> 01:57:17,099
- I'm happy if you're happy.
- I am.

2734
01:57:17,202 --> 01:57:20,171
You'll see.
Everything's gonna be just fine.

2735
01:57:20,274 --> 01:57:21,827
And it's not
the Jenny Agutter

2736
01:57:21,931 --> 01:57:23,484
and Gerritt Graham story, is it?

2737
01:57:23,588 --> 01:57:26,763
- This is it.
- It's the Alex and Chucky story.

2738
01:57:29,835 --> 01:57:32,355
Graeme Revell... that was...
it was very exciting.

2739
01:57:32,459 --> 01:57:36,670
So, John Lafia and I had gone
to see the movie "Dead Calm,"

2740
01:57:36,773 --> 01:57:38,120
and the score was amazing.

2741
01:57:38,223 --> 01:57:40,053
And it's interesting
because we talked about

2742
01:57:40,156 --> 01:57:42,986
Joe Renzetti's score
for "Child's Play 1."

2743
01:57:43,090 --> 01:57:46,852
The score for "Dead Calm" had
something in common with that.

2744
01:57:49,993 --> 01:57:51,478
It was very percussive.

2745
01:57:51,581 --> 01:57:55,102
It wasn't a score
about melody or strings.

2746
01:57:55,206 --> 01:57:56,966
You know,
it was just a percussion.

2747
01:57:57,070 --> 01:58:01,212
And so I just remember John
was very hot to meet this guy.

2748
01:58:01,315 --> 01:58:02,799
We just kind of went with him.

2749
01:58:02,903 --> 01:58:05,319
His work was good.
Don was very impressed by him,

2750
01:58:05,423 --> 01:58:07,114
and he felt Graeme
would be great,

2751
01:58:07,218 --> 01:58:09,737
and Graeme delivered for us
in a wonderful way.

2752
01:58:12,844 --> 01:58:16,365
I was honestly shocked that
the reviews were not great.

2753
01:58:16,468 --> 01:58:18,436
I really thought
we'd delivered something,

2754
01:58:18,539 --> 01:58:22,129
and I thought what John Lafia
did with his directing

2755
01:58:22,233 --> 01:58:25,512
and what Don had written
were really great.

2756
01:58:25,615 --> 01:58:27,514
Sequels are always
a tricky one to pull off.

2757
01:58:27,617 --> 01:58:31,552
You have to sort of
recapture that magic

2758
01:58:31,656 --> 01:58:33,382
that makes the first one
so special

2759
01:58:33,485 --> 01:58:35,246
in a way that makes audiences
feel like

2760
01:58:35,349 --> 01:58:37,317
they're getting
another taste of that.

2761
01:58:37,420 --> 01:58:39,836
It feels like it lacks
the seriousness of intent

2762
01:58:39,940 --> 01:58:41,459
that "Child's Play" had for me.

2763
01:58:41,562 --> 01:58:43,471
And so, as a result,
it's just a body-count movie.

2764
01:58:43,495 --> 01:58:45,601
He's killing random people
for no real reason.

2765
01:58:45,704 --> 01:58:47,706
It doesn't even necessarily
serve his purposes,

2766
01:58:47,810 --> 01:58:49,098
and I feel like
that takes a little bit

2767
01:58:49,122 --> 01:58:50,202
of the intensity out of it.

2768
01:58:50,226 --> 01:58:51,917
I don't know that critics

2769
01:58:52,021 --> 01:58:53,678
are that important
to horror films.

2770
01:58:53,781 --> 01:58:56,750
Our true critics
that we want to please

2771
01:58:56,853 --> 01:58:58,338
are the audience, the fans.

2772
01:58:58,441 --> 01:59:02,100
"Child's Play 2" was released
on November 9, 1990.

2773
01:59:02,204 --> 01:59:05,655
Though not a critical darling,
the film topped the box office,

2774
01:59:05,759 --> 01:59:08,037
ultimately pulled
in $34 million,

2775
01:59:08,141 --> 01:59:11,834
and proved that you really
can't keep a Good Guy down.

2776
01:59:11,937 --> 01:59:13,491
It turned out we were so lucky.

2777
01:59:13,594 --> 01:59:16,356
Once again, the movie came out,
and it won the weekend.

2778
01:59:16,459 --> 01:59:17,805
And the audience seemed

2779
01:59:17,909 --> 01:59:20,463
to respond in kind,
as far as showing up

2780
01:59:20,567 --> 01:59:23,397
and telling their friends
and their friends showing up.

2781
01:59:23,501 --> 01:59:25,330
I am so proud of that work.

2782
01:59:25,434 --> 01:59:27,712
It's sort of one of the epitomes
of my career

2783
01:59:27,815 --> 01:59:30,024
in being part of that team
with John,

2784
01:59:30,128 --> 01:59:33,200
Kevin, and magnificent
art department.

2785
01:59:33,304 --> 01:59:35,754
I feel very privileged
to have been part of that.

2786
01:59:35,858 --> 01:59:38,792
I am super proud of being
part of "Child's Play 2"

2787
01:59:38,895 --> 01:59:43,555
because I feel like
I was part of horror history.

2788
01:59:43,659 --> 01:59:45,730
It really was a good bunch,

2789
01:59:45,833 --> 01:59:48,491
and I had a lot of people
there who I trusted

2790
01:59:48,595 --> 01:59:51,770
and knew I could rely on,
and who did great work.

2791
01:59:51,874 --> 01:59:53,634
The finished product
was pretty exciting

2792
01:59:53,738 --> 01:59:56,396
'cause I spent, again,
most of the time in isolation,

2793
01:59:56,499 --> 01:59:57,742
so it's fun to be able to see

2794
01:59:57,845 --> 01:59:59,295
how they put
all the work together.

2795
01:59:59,399 --> 02:00:01,332
I did exactly
what I set out to do,

2796
02:00:01,435 --> 02:00:03,748
and that doesn't always happen
that you shoot a movie

2797
02:00:03,851 --> 02:00:07,165
and you get what you thought
in your mind it would be,

2798
02:00:07,269 --> 02:00:09,374
and it was exactly
what I wanted.

2799
02:00:09,478 --> 02:00:11,963
I knew it was going
to get a gigantic audience.

2800
02:00:12,066 --> 02:00:14,690
Everybody and his brother was
gonna go see the damn thing.

2801
02:00:14,793 --> 02:00:18,452
And it was a good shoot,
a smooth, happy, fun shoot.

2802
02:00:18,556 --> 02:00:22,801
That Universal logo
was like a hug, you know,

2803
02:00:22,905 --> 02:00:27,220
acknowledging that I was part
of this unbelievably cool club,

2804
02:00:27,323 --> 02:00:29,325
and that was really fun for me.

2805
02:00:29,429 --> 02:00:31,120
I was very happy with it

2806
02:00:31,224 --> 02:00:33,950
but at an age
where you begin to feel

2807
02:00:34,054 --> 02:00:35,538
and know what insecurity is,

2808
02:00:35,642 --> 02:00:38,231
so I was a little more critical
of my performance

2809
02:00:38,334 --> 02:00:40,267
than I was ever watching
the first film.

2810
02:00:40,371 --> 02:00:42,442
In all fairness,
I don't normally like

2811
02:00:42,545 --> 02:00:44,582
to watch movies that I'm in.

2812
02:00:44,685 --> 02:00:47,378
I find that
a horrifying experience.

2813
02:00:47,481 --> 02:00:48,931
So I didn't see the movie.

2814
02:00:49,034 --> 02:00:50,346
I enjoyed it.
You know, I'm...

2815
02:00:50,450 --> 02:00:52,106
You know,
I was looking at my own work

2816
02:00:52,210 --> 02:00:53,763
to being
the second unit director,

2817
02:00:53,867 --> 02:00:56,145
so I was kind of looking to see
how that was cutting in,

2818
02:00:56,249 --> 02:00:59,390
you know, and I was happy to see
the new parts work out.

2819
02:00:59,493 --> 02:01:01,426
But with Chucky,
it's always nail-biting.

2820
02:01:01,530 --> 02:01:03,290
It was, you know,
pinch-yourself moments

2821
02:01:03,394 --> 02:01:05,085
that you made a movie,
and now you get

2822
02:01:05,188 --> 02:01:06,707
to make a sequel to that movie.

2823
02:01:06,811 --> 02:01:09,607
And, you know, to be able to
work with Don was exciting.

2824
02:01:09,710 --> 02:01:11,747
And John, you know,
they were part of the team.

2825
02:01:11,850 --> 02:01:15,647
It felt like, for me
and John and David,

2826
02:01:15,751 --> 02:01:20,376
that we had righted the ship
or at least stayed the course.

2827
02:01:20,480 --> 02:01:23,724
I will say that there
were shackles off of me.

2828
02:01:23,828 --> 02:01:26,796
The fact that Tom was
no longer a part of this,

2829
02:01:26,900 --> 02:01:28,142
that felt really good.

2830
02:01:28,246 --> 02:01:30,352
And so there was just
a lightness to it

2831
02:01:30,455 --> 02:01:32,837
and a frivolity
that everybody had on this

2832
02:01:32,940 --> 02:01:34,839
that was not possible
on the first film.

2833
02:01:34,942 --> 02:01:37,635
We felt like
we did Chucky proud.

2834
02:01:50,337 --> 02:01:54,237
With "Chucky" topping the
box-office charts twice before,

2835
02:01:54,341 --> 02:01:57,448
Universal hoped a third time
would also charm.

2836
02:01:57,551 --> 02:01:59,484
The catch?
Delivery of the film

2837
02:01:59,588 --> 02:02:02,453
for a summer 1991 release,

2838
02:02:02,556 --> 02:02:06,698
a mere nine months
after the first sequel's debut.

2839
02:02:06,802 --> 02:02:09,563
They'd greenlit
"Child's Play 3"

2840
02:02:09,667 --> 02:02:11,462
before "Child's Play 2"
came out.

2841
02:02:11,565 --> 02:02:14,016
I know that the movie
had tested well,

2842
02:02:14,119 --> 02:02:18,503
well enough to hire me to start
to get writing on the sequel.

2843
02:02:18,607 --> 02:02:19,884
It was Universal.

2844
02:02:19,987 --> 02:02:21,955
They wanted
to immediately capitalize.

2845
02:02:22,058 --> 02:02:24,129
I guess they felt they had
some momentum going.

2846
02:02:24,233 --> 02:02:27,374
But I'm not sure why they wanted
to rush it so quickly.

2847
02:02:27,478 --> 02:02:28,720
There was a clock ticking.

2848
02:02:28,824 --> 02:02:30,653
I had to write
that script really fast.

2849
02:02:30,757 --> 02:02:33,346
We had to go into production
really fast.

2850
02:02:33,449 --> 02:02:35,417
I made a mistake
by agreeing to that.

2851
02:02:35,520 --> 02:02:36,901
The green light was too quick

2852
02:02:37,004 --> 02:02:38,903
and I've never made
that mistake again.

2853
02:02:39,006 --> 02:02:42,493
We knew we needed to change
things up in some fashion

2854
02:02:42,596 --> 02:02:44,805
because we didn't want
to get too repetitive.

2855
02:02:44,909 --> 02:02:48,015
The domestic thing
had happened twice.

2856
02:02:48,119 --> 02:02:49,223
It has to change.

2857
02:02:49,327 --> 02:02:51,191
It can't be the same thing.

2858
02:02:51,294 --> 02:02:53,676
So there you have Don Mancini

2859
02:02:53,780 --> 02:02:55,506
coming up with
a really good idea.

2860
02:02:55,609 --> 02:02:58,163
I think I was inspired
by the "Omen" franchise.

2861
02:02:58,267 --> 02:03:01,788
"Omen II" partly takes place
with Damien at military school.

2862
02:03:01,891 --> 02:03:04,411
I'm not sure if I love
the whole concept

2863
02:03:04,515 --> 02:03:06,896
of the... story-wise,
of the soldier thing.

2864
02:03:07,000 --> 02:03:09,071
It just didn't feel like
a "Child's Play" film,

2865
02:03:09,174 --> 02:03:10,383
to me, for some reason.

2866
02:03:10,486 --> 02:03:11,832
I do remember
being disappointed

2867
02:03:11,936 --> 02:03:13,696
that John didn't want
to direct it.

2868
02:03:13,800 --> 02:03:15,871
He wanted to move on
to something else.

2869
02:03:15,974 --> 02:03:19,288
Jack Bender came available,
and we were lucky to get him.

2870
02:03:19,392 --> 02:03:21,221
He had been directing
television,

2871
02:03:21,324 --> 02:03:23,534
but he was very talented.

2872
02:03:23,637 --> 02:03:26,295
I had written a story
with Richard Matheson

2873
02:03:26,399 --> 02:03:29,091
called "The Dreamer of Oz,"
about the life of L. Frank Baum,

2874
02:03:29,194 --> 02:03:32,612
and Jack directed that,
and I offered him a feature,

2875
02:03:32,715 --> 02:03:34,786
and the studio, at that point,
was willing to go

2876
02:03:34,890 --> 02:03:37,582
with whoever
I felt strongly about.

2877
02:03:37,686 --> 02:03:40,378
I had a relationship
with Jack Bender.

2878
02:03:40,482 --> 02:03:42,863
I had never done
a horror film before.

2879
02:03:42,967 --> 02:03:45,866
I was intrigued about
giving me the challenge to

2880
02:03:45,970 --> 02:03:48,904
take the genre and see
what I can do with it.

2881
02:03:49,007 --> 02:03:51,769
I didn't know anything
about Chucky before or since.

2882
02:03:51,872 --> 02:03:54,012
The most complicated thing
was making the doll work,

2883
02:03:54,116 --> 02:03:56,705
not making our day
'cause the doll would break.

2884
02:03:56,808 --> 02:03:59,742
I think I was hesitating
working on "Child's Play 3"

2885
02:03:59,846 --> 02:04:01,962
because, okay, now it's
a franchise, now it's something

2886
02:04:01,986 --> 02:04:03,539
that's just going
to keep going on.

2887
02:04:03,643 --> 02:04:05,679
I felt that by part 2,
I'd done it all.

2888
02:04:05,783 --> 02:04:07,923
So what else can I bring
to this character?

2889
02:04:08,026 --> 02:04:10,822
And I was also... it was
a great year, work-wise, for me.

2890
02:04:10,926 --> 02:04:12,583
I had "Bogus Journey" going on.

2891
02:04:12,686 --> 02:04:14,561
I had all these other movies
that I was working on,

2892
02:04:14,585 --> 02:04:16,114
so I was trying to give it
as much as I could,

2893
02:04:16,138 --> 02:04:17,771
but I know I didn't give it
as much as I did

2894
02:04:17,795 --> 02:04:19,348
in the first two films.

2895
02:04:19,452 --> 02:04:20,867
Though some things changed,

2896
02:04:20,970 --> 02:04:23,525
others felt the same,
as this third trip

2897
02:04:23,628 --> 02:04:25,009
around the Chucky sun proved

2898
02:04:25,112 --> 02:04:27,874
when it was time to say hello
to new recruits

2899
02:04:27,977 --> 02:04:30,324
and bid farewell
to old friends.

2900
02:04:30,428 --> 02:04:32,430
I discovered that
my voice had changed

2901
02:04:32,534 --> 02:04:34,934
and I could no longer be a part
of the "Child's Play" movies,

2902
02:04:35,019 --> 02:04:37,100
but I think it was very cool
for them in "Child's Play 3"

2903
02:04:37,124 --> 02:04:39,368
to take that jump
into boarding school.

2904
02:04:39,472 --> 02:04:42,026
So that was
a cool story twist, right?

2905
02:04:42,129 --> 02:04:43,821
And, of course,
both Alex and I assumed

2906
02:04:43,924 --> 02:04:46,237
we would be in "Child's Play 3,"
which didn't happen.

2907
02:04:46,340 --> 02:04:48,653
I thought that I was
coming back for part 3, though.

2908
02:04:48,757 --> 02:04:50,897
There was a time
when I definitely thought I was.

2909
02:04:51,000 --> 02:04:53,037
I remember being in a restaurant
and finding out

2910
02:04:53,140 --> 02:04:55,557
that I was not going to be
in part 3,

2911
02:04:55,660 --> 02:04:58,629
and I was devastated.
I was incredibly devastated.

2912
02:04:58,732 --> 02:05:00,285
But I was
super disappointed, though.

2913
02:05:00,389 --> 02:05:01,804
I really wanted to come back

2914
02:05:01,908 --> 02:05:03,737
because it was
such a positive experience.

2915
02:05:03,841 --> 02:05:05,394
I felt like this
was something

2916
02:05:05,498 --> 02:05:07,983
that I was a big part of,
and now I wasn't a part of it.

2917
02:05:08,086 --> 02:05:11,607
And, yeah, that was... it was
difficult for me at the time.

2918
02:05:11,711 --> 02:05:13,920
We felt we had run dry

2919
02:05:14,023 --> 02:05:18,234
on the story of Chucky
chasing Andy Barclay.

2920
02:05:18,338 --> 02:05:20,754
Don thought he had
really explored Chucky,

2921
02:05:20,858 --> 02:05:22,963
you know, assaulting a child.

2922
02:05:23,067 --> 02:05:25,067
He kind of done everything
with that that he could,

2923
02:05:25,103 --> 02:05:27,105
and he wanted to move the story
into somebody

2924
02:05:27,209 --> 02:05:31,282
maybe more sophisticated
in fighting back against Chucky.

2925
02:05:31,385 --> 02:05:32,697
Andy.

2926
02:05:32,801 --> 02:05:35,735
Teenage Andy...
that's a whole other story.

2927
02:05:35,838 --> 02:05:38,979
I never felt comfortable
with those people.

2928
02:05:39,083 --> 02:05:41,016
They weren't family,
they were strangers.

2929
02:05:41,119 --> 02:05:43,708
You know, Andy grown up,
who wasn't our little kid.

2930
02:05:43,812 --> 02:05:45,692
It was this different actor.
That's always hard,

2931
02:05:45,779 --> 02:05:47,816
you know,
to accept that as a character.

2932
02:05:47,919 --> 02:05:49,852
I think it was
more interesting

2933
02:05:49,956 --> 02:05:52,072
instead of just repeating the
same thing over and over again.

2934
02:05:52,096 --> 02:05:54,754
It really brought
a new aspect to it.

2935
02:05:54,857 --> 02:05:57,791
Andy, how you've grown.

2936
02:05:57,895 --> 02:05:59,690
Justin was a great find.

2937
02:05:59,793 --> 02:06:02,002
Credit to that goes
to our casting director.

2938
02:06:02,106 --> 02:06:06,144
Glenn Daniels found him
and was super excited about it

2939
02:06:06,248 --> 02:06:08,146
because I remember him
calling me and saying,

2940
02:06:08,250 --> 02:06:11,391
"Not only have I found
a great kid actor,

2941
02:06:11,494 --> 02:06:14,636
he looks exactly
like Alex Vincent."

2942
02:06:14,739 --> 02:06:16,327
He seemed to care a great deal.

2943
02:06:16,430 --> 02:06:20,711
He seemed to, in our minds,
be a version of grown-up Andy.

2944
02:06:20,814 --> 02:06:22,367
And I thought Justin was great.

2945
02:06:22,471 --> 02:06:25,094
You think you're pretty funny,
don't you, De Silva?

2946
02:06:25,198 --> 02:06:26,889
Yes, I do, sir.

2947
02:06:26,993 --> 02:06:28,993
I had just really started
acting a couple of years

2948
02:06:29,029 --> 02:06:32,032
before I got the role
of Kristin De Silva

2949
02:06:32,136 --> 02:06:34,276
in "Child's Play 3,"
and I loved the part

2950
02:06:34,379 --> 02:06:37,590
because she was sort of
a badass, ahead of her time.

2951
02:06:37,693 --> 02:06:39,799
That was the absolute intent,

2952
02:06:39,902 --> 02:06:42,353
to have a strong female
central character.

2953
02:06:42,456 --> 02:06:44,838
I don't know that she
necessarily seemed like a girl

2954
02:06:44,942 --> 02:06:47,047
you'd meet in military school,

2955
02:06:47,151 --> 02:06:51,120
but I believed her
as having a tough edge.

2956
02:06:51,224 --> 02:06:53,709
How you doing, Tyler?

2957
02:06:53,813 --> 02:06:57,782
My audition process
was lengthy.

2958
02:06:57,886 --> 02:07:00,060
I had a lead starring role.

2959
02:07:00,164 --> 02:07:03,719
I didn't even realize how
significant it was going to be.

2960
02:07:03,823 --> 02:07:05,721
My name's Jeremy.
And even though,

2961
02:07:05,825 --> 02:07:09,173
I'm only 9 years old,
I have the voice...

2962
02:07:10,968 --> 02:07:12,832
The character of Tyler,
that Jeremy Sylvers

2963
02:07:12,935 --> 02:07:15,766
did such a wonderful job at,
he had home-life damage.

2964
02:07:15,869 --> 02:07:18,803
As a young Black
African-American male

2965
02:07:18,907 --> 02:07:20,874
latchkey kid
growing up in the '90s,

2966
02:07:20,978 --> 02:07:23,877
being scared wasn't too hard.

2967
02:07:23,981 --> 02:07:25,914
Do you know who I am?!

2968
02:07:26,017 --> 02:07:27,225
Shelton.

2969
02:07:27,329 --> 02:07:28,893
At the time,
I was working on a TV series

2970
02:07:28,917 --> 02:07:30,228
called "The Young Riders,"

2971
02:07:30,332 --> 02:07:31,885
and we were on hiatus
for the summer,

2972
02:07:31,989 --> 02:07:33,300
and I got a call from my agent.

2973
02:07:33,404 --> 02:07:34,657
He said, "There's this movie
you're gonna be

2974
02:07:34,681 --> 02:07:36,062
auditioning for, 'Child's Play, '

2975
02:07:36,165 --> 02:07:37,418
and I knew of
the "Child's Play" movies.

2976
02:07:37,442 --> 02:07:38,823
When I first read the script,

2977
02:07:38,927 --> 02:07:40,180
the thing that I...
immediately jumped at

2978
02:07:40,204 --> 02:07:42,516
is how much
I loved this character.

2979
02:07:42,620 --> 02:07:44,553
There was a complexity
to it that I saw.

2980
02:07:44,657 --> 02:07:46,762
He had such a range
with his acting.

2981
02:07:46,866 --> 02:07:48,453
Travis was awesome.

2982
02:07:48,557 --> 02:07:49,938
We just had a blast.

2983
02:07:50,041 --> 02:07:51,561
You must be new.
Otherwise, you'd know

2984
02:07:51,629 --> 02:07:53,838
they don't tolerate
any form of individuality here.

2985
02:07:53,942 --> 02:07:56,082
I showed them a picture of me
from this movie

2986
02:07:56,185 --> 02:07:58,601
I had done,
that Joe Roth had directed,

2987
02:07:58,705 --> 02:07:59,879
called "Coupe de Ville."

2988
02:07:59,982 --> 02:08:01,432
My hair had been, you know,

2989
02:08:01,535 --> 02:08:03,227
cut down
for, like, a military cut,

2990
02:08:03,330 --> 02:08:04,825
so I was like,
"This is what I look like

2991
02:08:04,849 --> 02:08:06,126
with a military cut."

2992
02:08:06,230 --> 02:08:07,990
Anyway, like,
at the end of my audition,

2993
02:08:08,094 --> 02:08:10,372
I stuck my head back in the door
and did that silly thing

2994
02:08:10,475 --> 02:08:13,686
where you reach your arm back in
and pull your head out.

2995
02:08:13,789 --> 02:08:15,204
I think that's why
they liked me.

2996
02:08:15,308 --> 02:08:16,585
Dean was great.

2997
02:08:16,689 --> 02:08:18,011
We were going for rehearsal,
and he said,

2998
02:08:18,035 --> 02:08:19,588
"Oh, I spent the night
at the academy."

2999
02:08:19,692 --> 02:08:21,393
I wanted to do my homework,
do the research,

3000
02:08:21,417 --> 02:08:23,937
find out what it's actually like
to be a new student

3001
02:08:24,041 --> 02:08:25,663
at a military academy.

3002
02:08:25,767 --> 02:08:27,147
I said, "Why?" and he said,

3003
02:08:27,251 --> 02:08:28,469
"'Cause I told them
to kind of bully me

3004
02:08:28,493 --> 02:08:29,632
so I could experience that."

3005
02:08:29,736 --> 02:08:31,255
This is my rifle,
this is my gun,

3006
02:08:31,358 --> 02:08:34,430
this is for shooting,
and this is for fun.

3007
02:08:34,534 --> 02:08:36,985
So I came in to read
for the part of Colonel Shelton,

3008
02:08:37,088 --> 02:08:39,884
and I thought,
"Hey, this is in the bag."

3009
02:08:39,988 --> 02:08:42,956
And they told me, "Well,
there's this other guy we like,

3010
02:08:43,060 --> 02:08:44,647
and we're gonna
give him a shot."

3011
02:08:44,751 --> 02:08:46,373
"Uh, uh, all right."

3012
02:08:46,477 --> 02:08:48,859
And they came back and said,
"But they really liked you,

3013
02:08:48,962 --> 02:08:50,446
and they want to write
a part for you.

3014
02:08:50,550 --> 02:08:52,863
So we're going to put
Major Ellis in the script,"

3015
02:08:52,966 --> 02:08:54,416
and I was like, "Awesome."

3016
02:08:54,519 --> 02:08:57,177
Apparently, Matthew was
considered for my role,

3017
02:08:57,281 --> 02:08:59,662
and to his credit,
he put that aside.

3018
02:08:59,766 --> 02:09:02,942
I think he's a phenomenal actor,
an interesting, intelligent guy,

3019
02:09:03,045 --> 02:09:05,220
and I loved working with him.
I really did.

3020
02:09:05,323 --> 02:09:08,464
It's time to forget
these fantasies of killer dolls.

3021
02:09:08,568 --> 02:09:11,571
Well, I was pretty new
to film and television.

3022
02:09:11,674 --> 02:09:14,712
I had only come down to L.A.

3023
02:09:14,816 --> 02:09:16,990
in the very late '80s
and early '90s

3024
02:09:17,094 --> 02:09:21,098
after a 25-year career
exclusively on stage.

3025
02:09:21,201 --> 02:09:22,962
Jack was a friend of mine,

3026
02:09:23,065 --> 02:09:25,309
and he had given me my first
lead in a movie of the week.

3027
02:09:25,412 --> 02:09:28,795
Dakin Matthews was the dad
on the set.

3028
02:09:28,899 --> 02:09:31,211
Super accomplished,
knew the drill.

3029
02:09:31,315 --> 02:09:35,457
If you needed to know anything
about working on a set,

3030
02:09:35,560 --> 02:09:38,322
you just kind of
looked at Dakin.

3031
02:09:40,082 --> 02:09:45,329
So this was my real
first motion-picture audition.

3032
02:09:45,432 --> 02:09:49,712
I moved from Chattanooga,
Tennessee, to New York to L.A.

3033
02:09:49,816 --> 02:09:51,369
because everything
was casting here.

3034
02:09:51,473 --> 02:09:54,234
Perrey and Donna had
the unfortunate distinction

3035
02:09:54,338 --> 02:09:57,203
of being really
the only two females

3036
02:09:57,306 --> 02:10:00,965
in this military school
with hundreds of other guys.

3037
02:10:01,069 --> 02:10:03,002
The chance of that
being intimidating

3038
02:10:03,105 --> 02:10:04,831
was certainly there,

3039
02:10:04,935 --> 02:10:06,326
and I don't think they let it
bother them one bit.

3040
02:10:08,248 --> 02:10:11,700
So super pumped, ready to head
to everybody's favorite,

3041
02:10:11,804 --> 02:10:16,670
I think, Mecca of filming,
Boonville, Missouri, in winter.

3042
02:10:16,774 --> 02:10:18,293
It was freezing.
We were out.

3043
02:10:18,396 --> 02:10:19,984
You had to pretend
it wasn't cold.

3044
02:10:20,088 --> 02:10:22,504
We had these
heat packs that we

3045
02:10:22,607 --> 02:10:24,126
put in our shoes so that

3046
02:10:24,230 --> 02:10:27,026
our toes wouldn't
just completely freeze off.

3047
02:10:27,129 --> 02:10:28,855
So what could go wrong?

3048
02:10:28,959 --> 02:10:31,996
With Chucky boot camp
in full freezing swing,

3049
02:10:32,100 --> 02:10:35,793
"Child's Play 3" began filming
on February 4, 1991,

3050
02:10:35,897 --> 02:10:39,245
with a budget of $13 million.

3051
02:10:39,348 --> 02:10:42,489
The bottom line
is the bottom line.

3052
02:10:42,593 --> 02:10:44,181
Peter Haskell as Sullivan

3053
02:10:44,284 --> 02:10:47,770
was a personification
of the worst of Madison Avenue,

3054
02:10:47,874 --> 02:10:49,289
and he loved doing that.

3055
02:10:49,393 --> 02:10:52,499
He is killed on top
of his desk

3056
02:10:52,603 --> 02:10:55,261
in front of these pictures
of these two cute

3057
02:10:55,364 --> 02:10:59,334
little blond kids,
which were my kids.

3058
02:10:59,437 --> 02:11:00,898
You know, I said,
"Oh, we're gonna bring you back

3059
02:11:00,922 --> 02:11:02,544
for 'Child's Play 3'
and kill you."

3060
02:11:02,647 --> 02:11:04,142
You know, 'cause he was like,
"I want to...

3061
02:11:04,166 --> 02:11:05,385
I want to get killed by Chucky."

3062
02:11:05,409 --> 02:11:08,343
So I was able
to accommodate him.

3063
02:11:08,446 --> 02:11:10,863
It's the first kill
of the movie.

3064
02:11:10,966 --> 02:11:12,485
And you're kind
of expecting it,

3065
02:11:12,588 --> 02:11:15,522
but when it does happen,
it really is a delicious payoff.

3066
02:11:15,626 --> 02:11:20,079
Nothing like a strangulation
to get the circulation going.

3067
02:11:20,182 --> 02:11:25,739
Brad is great at delivering
darkly funny lines as Chucky.

3068
02:11:25,843 --> 02:11:27,431
I actually do remember
doing that line,

3069
02:11:27,534 --> 02:11:31,504
and Chucky is becoming
aware of himself.

3070
02:11:31,607 --> 02:11:34,507
Because the character
was getting more popular,

3071
02:11:34,610 --> 02:11:39,029
our operating principle was,
"Let's show him more."

3072
02:11:39,132 --> 02:11:42,101
Where are you,
you little shit?

3073
02:11:43,550 --> 02:11:45,898
The young man was sent
to a military academy

3074
02:11:46,001 --> 02:11:48,831
because he's been causing
so much trouble.

3075
02:11:48,935 --> 02:11:50,419
Adjustment problems.

3076
02:11:50,523 --> 02:11:51,904
I can read, Barclay.

3077
02:11:52,007 --> 02:11:54,251
Justin's character
was very internal.

3078
02:11:54,354 --> 02:11:56,149
I always thought he did
such a wonderful job.

3079
02:11:56,253 --> 02:11:59,118
I thought he did bring
all that history to the role.

3080
02:11:59,221 --> 02:12:03,363
He's a lovely actor, and we had
a pretty good relationship.

3081
02:12:03,467 --> 02:12:05,987
Grow up.
You're not a kid anymore.

3082
02:12:06,090 --> 02:12:10,819
That character on the page
was R. Lee Ermey.

3083
02:12:10,923 --> 02:12:12,994
You are pukes.
You are the lowest

3084
02:12:13,097 --> 02:12:14,512
form of life on Earth.

3085
02:12:14,616 --> 02:12:17,101
I was never going to
approach it like a jerk.

3086
02:12:17,205 --> 02:12:19,379
I was going to approach it
a bit more humanistic.

3087
02:12:19,483 --> 02:12:22,106
Dakin brought, I think,
some humanity to it.

3088
02:12:22,210 --> 02:12:26,352
I think Dakin Matthews
is precious.

3089
02:12:26,455 --> 02:12:28,423
Andy Robinson
playing the barber.

3090
02:12:28,526 --> 02:12:29,182
Next.

3091
02:12:29,286 --> 02:12:30,943
He's capable of playing

3092
02:12:31,046 --> 02:12:34,187
the most psychopathic,
psychotic serial killers.

3093
02:12:34,291 --> 02:12:36,120
Andy Robinson is, you know,

3094
02:12:36,224 --> 02:12:39,365
Dirty Harry's nemesis.
How awesome is that?

3095
02:12:39,468 --> 02:12:41,401
To me,
he was really intimidating.

3096
02:12:41,505 --> 02:12:43,956
He's actually an
extraordinarily nice guy.

3097
02:12:44,059 --> 02:12:45,819
Andy and his performance,

3098
02:12:45,923 --> 02:12:47,235
definitely one of the most

3099
02:12:47,338 --> 02:12:49,478
memorable aspects
of the whole movie.

3100
02:12:49,582 --> 02:12:50,479
"Presto!"

3101
02:12:50,583 --> 02:12:51,583
You're bald.

3102
02:12:51,618 --> 02:12:53,344
"You're bald."

3103
02:12:53,448 --> 02:12:55,277
What we see is these
shiny boots

3104
02:12:55,381 --> 02:12:59,488
step into frame and do
a snap turn and walk down.

3105
02:12:59,592 --> 02:13:01,328
I can't remember
how I was supposed to enter,

3106
02:13:01,352 --> 02:13:02,905
but I walked up to Jack,
and I said,

3107
02:13:03,009 --> 02:13:04,124
"Hey, Jack, you know,
what would be great?

3108
02:13:04,148 --> 02:13:05,563
If the camera was really low

3109
02:13:05,667 --> 02:13:08,118
and you saw my shoes,
these shiny shoes,"

3110
02:13:08,221 --> 02:13:11,259
and I did the snap turn.
And to Jack's credit,

3111
02:13:11,362 --> 02:13:15,090
he let some 22-year-old actor
call his own entry shot.

3112
02:13:15,194 --> 02:13:16,505
You're a new boy, huh?

3113
02:13:16,609 --> 02:13:17,990
Travis was, you know,

3114
02:13:18,093 --> 02:13:20,406
doing the work of a good actor

3115
02:13:20,509 --> 02:13:23,340
and finding a way
to play a figure

3116
02:13:23,443 --> 02:13:26,412
that was relatively thin
on the page.

3117
02:13:26,515 --> 02:13:29,346
Shelton's anger and his
aggression came from a fear

3118
02:13:29,449 --> 02:13:32,107
and a refusal to sort of
confront his own stuff.

3119
02:13:32,211 --> 02:13:33,764
God damn majorette over here.

3120
02:13:33,867 --> 02:13:36,594
And on paper, this was
not a bisexual character.

3121
02:13:36,698 --> 02:13:39,080
I don't think Don ever intended
to write it that way,

3122
02:13:39,183 --> 02:13:40,564
and that's how
I chose to play it.

3123
02:13:40,667 --> 02:13:43,670
I was aware, and we did
talk about it briefly.

3124
02:13:43,774 --> 02:13:46,328
As an openly bisexual man,

3125
02:13:46,432 --> 02:13:48,632
that was one of the earliest
moments with that character

3126
02:13:48,710 --> 02:13:51,540
that I was able
to play around with something.

3127
02:13:51,644 --> 02:13:56,269
Travis has to find a way into
the psychology of that character

3128
02:13:56,373 --> 02:13:59,445
so that it'll be interesting
and watchable, and he did it.

3129
02:13:59,548 --> 02:14:02,206
I'm proud that I got
to play that character

3130
02:14:02,310 --> 02:14:03,656
the way I wanted to.

3131
02:14:03,759 --> 02:14:05,313
You asshole.

3132
02:14:05,416 --> 02:14:07,418
One of the most fun
parts of the movie for me

3133
02:14:07,522 --> 02:14:09,213
was all of my scenes
with Travis.

3134
02:14:09,317 --> 02:14:11,197
I mean, number one,
they were just head-to-head.

3135
02:14:11,250 --> 02:14:12,917
There's that moment
where I walk up to her

3136
02:14:12,941 --> 02:14:14,574
and I say, "You think you're
pretty smart, don't you?"

3137
02:14:14,598 --> 02:14:16,324
So it's a very sort
of intimate moment.

3138
02:14:16,427 --> 02:14:18,188
And, again,
we talk about secrets

3139
02:14:18,291 --> 02:14:19,913
and things that actors
bring and subtext,

3140
02:14:20,017 --> 02:14:21,329
and I always believed that

3141
02:14:21,432 --> 02:14:23,676
Shelton and De Silva
had had a thing.

3142
02:14:23,779 --> 02:14:26,368
Why don't you drop
and give me 25 right now.

3143
02:14:26,472 --> 02:14:28,957
And they had actually flown in
a stunt double.

3144
02:14:29,061 --> 02:14:31,373
She was the one who would do
all the one-armed push-ups.

3145
02:14:31,477 --> 02:14:33,375
And when I found that out,
I was so upset.

3146
02:14:33,479 --> 02:14:35,170
I was like,
"I can do my own stunts."

3147
02:14:35,274 --> 02:14:37,207
I loved what Perrey
brought to the character.

3148
02:14:37,310 --> 02:14:38,587
She's got such a strength.

3149
02:14:38,691 --> 02:14:40,117
So I did.
I did a one-armed push-up.

3150
02:14:40,141 --> 02:14:41,487
I think I could do two of them,

3151
02:14:41,590 --> 02:14:43,592
and then actually
did fall in the mud.

3152
02:14:43,696 --> 02:14:45,318
But we laughed
and laughed and laughed.

3153
02:14:45,422 --> 02:14:47,079
Jack asked me to ad-lib a line

3154
02:14:47,182 --> 02:14:48,435
because Perrey
was doing push-ups,

3155
02:14:48,459 --> 02:14:50,289
and it just came out.
I said...

3156
02:14:50,392 --> 02:14:52,508
Once a month, we're just
gonna get on out of your way.

3157
02:14:52,532 --> 02:14:54,027
It came out, and Jack's like,
"What was that?"

3158
02:14:54,051 --> 02:14:55,259
and I said, "I don't know,"

3159
02:14:55,363 --> 02:14:56,685
and it ended up
staying in the movie.

3160
02:14:56,709 --> 02:14:58,642
Her and Travis
really set the tone

3161
02:14:58,745 --> 02:15:00,126
for the rest of us

3162
02:15:00,230 --> 02:15:02,404
that they were going to
take the work seriously.

3163
02:15:02,508 --> 02:15:04,682
The ensemble was wonderful.
We all really bonded

3164
02:15:04,786 --> 02:15:06,650
because we were on location
right off the bat.

3165
02:15:06,753 --> 02:15:10,032
We all got to hang out
and have fun.

3166
02:15:10,136 --> 02:15:11,482
That was nice.

3167
02:15:11,586 --> 02:15:13,726
Why don't you give this
to the new kid for me?

3168
02:15:13,829 --> 02:15:14,865
Barclay.

3169
02:15:14,968 --> 02:15:16,280
Yes, sir.

3170
02:15:16,384 --> 02:15:19,973
Tyler took the Good Guy
in the first place

3171
02:15:20,077 --> 02:15:21,872
because he was a lonely kid.

3172
02:15:21,975 --> 02:15:25,393
You know, he kind of took
the place of the next Andy.

3173
02:15:25,496 --> 02:15:28,534
The most amazing part
of the film

3174
02:15:28,637 --> 02:15:33,504
was actually interacting
with this real-life doll.

3175
02:15:33,608 --> 02:15:34,609
"Hey, kid."

3176
02:15:34,712 --> 02:15:36,058
Fun's over.

3177
02:15:36,162 --> 02:15:38,475
Where the hell's Andy?

3178
02:15:38,578 --> 02:15:42,134
It was hard to stay
in character because I'm like...

3179
02:15:42,237 --> 02:15:43,825
You have to believe
that voice

3180
02:15:43,928 --> 02:15:45,275
is coming out of that doll.

3181
02:15:45,378 --> 02:15:48,278
Brad Dourif is one of
the most amazing actors

3182
02:15:48,381 --> 02:15:49,555
on the face of the planet.

3183
02:15:49,658 --> 02:15:51,281
I remember one
of the first questions

3184
02:15:51,384 --> 02:15:53,869
I think I asked my reps
at the time was,

3185
02:15:53,973 --> 02:15:55,423
"Did Brad Dourif sign on again?"

3186
02:15:55,526 --> 02:15:58,978
There's a freedom
and a wildness and a passion

3187
02:15:59,081 --> 02:16:00,428
and an intensity to Brad.

3188
02:16:00,531 --> 02:16:03,983
The one thing that I love
about Chucky

3189
02:16:04,086 --> 02:16:06,123
is that he loves his job.

3190
02:16:06,227 --> 02:16:08,470
That's really part of who he is.

3191
02:16:08,574 --> 02:16:13,061
He had the sauce, man.
He had the sauce.

3192
02:16:13,165 --> 02:16:14,476
A Good Guy.

3193
02:16:14,580 --> 02:16:17,272
Tyler was very meaningful
for me

3194
02:16:17,376 --> 02:16:21,483
because we shared a lot
of similar life circumstances.

3195
02:16:21,587 --> 02:16:23,761
I always thought that maybe
Tyler's role

3196
02:16:23,865 --> 02:16:27,731
had a past history
of really serious abuse.

3197
02:16:27,834 --> 02:16:31,769
Tyler wanted some friendship.
He wanted a companion,

3198
02:16:31,873 --> 02:16:35,463
and he was torn between Chucky
and Andy Barclay.

3199
02:16:35,566 --> 02:16:37,982
And Andy was the real friend.

3200
02:16:38,085 --> 02:16:40,468
Chucky was the pretend friend.

3201
02:16:40,571 --> 02:16:42,366
He was the wolf
in sheep's clothing.

3202
02:16:42,469 --> 02:16:46,646
Ade due Damballa.

3203
02:16:46,750 --> 02:16:48,752
During those
"hide the soul" moments,

3204
02:16:48,855 --> 02:16:50,201
I'm sitting there, like,

3205
02:16:50,305 --> 02:16:52,755
silently mouthing
the exact same lines,

3206
02:16:52,859 --> 02:16:54,654
and Jack is like,
"No, don't do that."

3207
02:16:54,758 --> 02:16:57,726
"He says the voodoo thing.

3208
02:16:57,830 --> 02:16:59,383
You don't say it."

3209
02:16:59,486 --> 02:17:01,522
I can't believe I let you
talk me into this.

3210
02:17:01,627 --> 02:17:04,250
I was all excited
because prior to that,

3211
02:17:04,353 --> 02:17:06,804
I had seen the promo
for "Child's Play 1"

3212
02:17:06,907 --> 02:17:09,737
with my brother Chucky.
How weird is that?

3213
02:17:09,842 --> 02:17:13,397
De Silva, when she was going
through the commandant's office,

3214
02:17:13,501 --> 02:17:15,537
was trying to
get information on Andy.

3215
02:17:15,641 --> 02:17:18,471
But when she finds Tyler
with that doll...

3216
02:17:21,059 --> 02:17:24,615
...she doesn't want him to be,

3217
02:17:24,718 --> 02:17:28,412
you know, damaged or be
sought out to be picked on.

3218
02:17:28,516 --> 02:17:31,208
Oh, he is so cute!

3219
02:17:31,312 --> 02:17:33,416
Ivers, give him back!

3220
02:17:33,521 --> 02:17:37,075
I wanted to humiliate him
and shame him and go,

3221
02:17:37,179 --> 02:17:39,181
"Hey, I'm bigger than you,
buddy."

3222
02:17:39,285 --> 02:17:40,735
Donna, um,

3223
02:17:40,838 --> 02:17:43,565
was sort of the one
that you kind of think

3224
02:17:43,669 --> 02:17:46,119
she's probably going to be dead
by page 30.

3225
02:17:47,673 --> 02:17:50,365
Right? But just to have
that female energy

3226
02:17:50,468 --> 02:17:54,852
in such a male-centric film,
I think, was able to bring

3227
02:17:54,956 --> 02:17:57,406
a different kind of emotion
and playfulness to it.

3228
02:17:57,510 --> 02:18:01,169
Chucky has such a incongruous,

3229
02:18:01,272 --> 02:18:02,998
macho sensibility

3230
02:18:03,102 --> 02:18:07,037
coming out of this adorable
little child's doll.

3231
02:18:07,139 --> 02:18:08,539
- Give me your lipstick.
- What for?

3232
02:18:08,590 --> 02:18:09,487
Just give it to me.

3233
02:18:09,591 --> 02:18:11,110
And so the notion...

3234
02:18:11,213 --> 02:18:12,559
it just seemed like something

3235
02:18:12,663 --> 02:18:16,253
that, like, would really
make Chucky livid.

3236
02:18:16,357 --> 02:18:18,359
And you knew that this was
a coiled spring

3237
02:18:18,462 --> 02:18:19,670
with a bomb attached,

3238
02:18:19,773 --> 02:18:21,602
and they were risking
their lives.

3239
02:18:21,707 --> 02:18:23,329
Uh, he ain't gonna like it
too much

3240
02:18:23,433 --> 02:18:25,745
that you putting, uh,
lipstick all over him.

3241
02:18:25,849 --> 02:18:27,263
I don't know
that I was doing it

3242
02:18:27,368 --> 02:18:28,852
so deliberately at the time,

3243
02:18:28,955 --> 02:18:32,614
thinking, "I'm going to start
to queer my franchise."

3244
02:18:32,718 --> 02:18:33,788
But I was.

3245
02:18:33,891 --> 02:18:36,237
You know,
I was starting to do that.

3246
02:18:38,448 --> 02:18:39,862
Chucky has evolved.

3247
02:18:39,966 --> 02:18:43,625
His own experience
of his own sexuality

3248
02:18:43,728 --> 02:18:47,284
expands over the course
of the franchise,

3249
02:18:47,388 --> 02:18:49,010
and that's something
that I'm probably

3250
02:18:49,112 --> 02:18:52,945
a little
ridiculously proud of.

3251
02:18:53,048 --> 02:18:54,429
This means war.

3252
02:18:54,532 --> 02:18:56,050
When I hear a noise,
I turn around,

3253
02:18:56,155 --> 02:18:59,400
and Chucky walks out
from behind the file cabinet

3254
02:18:59,503 --> 02:19:02,092
and raises his dagger.

3255
02:19:03,541 --> 02:19:05,853
And I simply saw him
and reacted.

3256
02:19:07,269 --> 02:19:11,584
Colonel Cochran
dies by heart attack.

3257
02:19:11,688 --> 02:19:13,048
One always likes
to have something

3258
02:19:13,102 --> 02:19:15,450
about one's role be unique.

3259
02:19:15,554 --> 02:19:17,072
He's not a tough guy,

3260
02:19:17,175 --> 02:19:21,698
so you lose the humor
of this strutting martinet

3261
02:19:21,800 --> 02:19:26,116
who takes one look
at a doll and drops dead.

3262
02:19:26,218 --> 02:19:27,289
That was the joke.

3263
02:19:29,084 --> 02:19:31,061
We went right up to the fall,
and then the stunt double

3264
02:19:31,085 --> 02:19:33,916
jumps in and crashed
through the display case.

3265
02:19:34,020 --> 02:19:36,851
It pays off really well
when he falls into it.

3266
02:19:36,954 --> 02:19:39,440
Then he got up, and I laid
down in the broken glass

3267
02:19:39,543 --> 02:19:41,269
and did one last expiration.

3268
02:19:43,547 --> 02:19:44,652
The camera is going past

3269
02:19:44,754 --> 02:19:46,308
all these kids
who are looking

3270
02:19:46,412 --> 02:19:48,114
at the commander of the academy,
who is dead,

3271
02:19:48,138 --> 02:19:49,622
and his body being taken out.

3272
02:19:49,726 --> 02:19:51,555
We did 39 takes of that.

3273
02:19:51,659 --> 02:19:53,764
I just stood
in the background,

3274
02:19:53,868 --> 02:19:58,424
and I watched take 29
and take 30.

3275
02:19:58,528 --> 02:20:00,046
I thought 28 was
a pretty good take.

3276
02:20:03,567 --> 02:20:07,019
The death of that character,
the barber, I love.

3277
02:20:07,122 --> 02:20:09,470
I think that's probably
my favorite sequence

3278
02:20:09,573 --> 02:20:10,781
from that movie.

3279
02:20:10,885 --> 02:20:12,093
Presto.

3280
02:20:12,196 --> 02:20:14,544
In the barbershop,
you have a big mirror.

3281
02:20:14,647 --> 02:20:16,131
And how do you shoot
in a mirror?

3282
02:20:16,235 --> 02:20:18,996
How do you shoot the scene
in a very tight space?

3283
02:20:19,100 --> 02:20:21,999
It was a little bit of a nod
to "Sweeney Todd."

3284
02:20:22,103 --> 02:20:25,693
♪ I'll not meet again,
my little darling ♪

3285
02:20:25,796 --> 02:20:27,867
We created
the barbershop on stage,

3286
02:20:27,971 --> 02:20:31,975
and that gave me the ability
to create multi images

3287
02:20:32,078 --> 02:20:33,839
in the shop of mirror

3288
02:20:33,942 --> 02:20:35,841
reflected on mirror
reflected on mirror.

3289
02:20:35,944 --> 02:20:38,050
We were always there,
off camera,

3290
02:20:38,153 --> 02:20:41,536
watching Andy perform his
scenes, which was amazing.

3291
02:20:41,640 --> 02:20:42,813
When he was getting the

3292
02:20:42,917 --> 02:20:44,677
prosthetic neck put on,
you know,

3293
02:20:44,781 --> 02:20:46,931
so that when Chucky slashed it,
the blood would pour out...

3294
02:20:48,440 --> 02:20:50,718
We got giggling fits
and had to run away.

3295
02:20:50,821 --> 02:20:53,721
And I also love the line
when he's dying,

3296
02:20:53,824 --> 02:20:55,304
and he looks at himself
in the mirror,

3297
02:20:55,343 --> 02:20:56,378
and Chucky's saying...

3298
02:20:56,482 --> 02:20:58,829
It's definitely you.

3299
02:20:58,933 --> 02:21:00,452
I mean, with "Child's Play,"

3300
02:21:00,555 --> 02:21:04,594
I guess some people
just need killing.

3301
02:21:04,697 --> 02:21:05,977
We were actually out
in the woods

3302
02:21:06,009 --> 02:21:07,631
when we first
started filming it.

3303
02:21:07,735 --> 02:21:10,738
We had some exteriors,
real live forest,

3304
02:21:10,841 --> 02:21:12,992
and then we were on a soundstage
where they built stuff.

3305
02:21:13,016 --> 02:21:14,707
I mean, we'd shot there
for a couple days.

3306
02:21:14,811 --> 02:21:16,606
And then, it started raining,

3307
02:21:16,709 --> 02:21:18,711
and the fields
were getting very wet,

3308
02:21:18,815 --> 02:21:21,645
and the trucks
were starting to sink.

3309
02:21:21,749 --> 02:21:23,544
So I talked to
the production designer

3310
02:21:23,647 --> 02:21:25,856
about building a forest

3311
02:21:25,960 --> 02:21:28,549
on one of the smaller stages
at Universal.

3312
02:21:28,652 --> 02:21:30,689
Come on, Andy.
I want to show you something.

3313
02:21:30,792 --> 02:21:34,796
Our first view of
the amusement park is from afar,

3314
02:21:34,900 --> 02:21:40,008
this sort of romantic moment
between Andy and De Silva.

3315
02:21:40,112 --> 02:21:41,700
Pretty cool, huh?

3316
02:21:41,803 --> 02:21:44,150
I think the vulnerability
that he was able to portray

3317
02:21:44,254 --> 02:21:46,428
made her feel close to him
and safe with him.

3318
02:21:46,532 --> 02:21:53,401
There is something magical
and fairytale-ish about that.

3319
02:21:53,505 --> 02:21:55,161
His mom was there
for the kissing scene,

3320
02:21:55,265 --> 02:21:57,129
and I remember saying,
"When we reshoot this,

3321
02:21:57,232 --> 02:21:58,648
the mom's gotta go."

3322
02:21:58,751 --> 02:22:01,789
I mean, we can't have
a first kiss on screen

3323
02:22:01,892 --> 02:22:03,929
with the mother watching.
It's just too awkward.

3324
02:22:06,518 --> 02:22:09,382
It just seemed like
a darkly clever,

3325
02:22:09,486 --> 02:22:11,074
Chucky-esque thing
to do for him

3326
02:22:11,177 --> 02:22:15,319
to replace the paint pellets
with actual ammo.

3327
02:22:15,423 --> 02:22:16,769
Hold your fire!

3328
02:22:16,873 --> 02:22:18,460
The death scene
was a fun moment.

3329
02:22:18,564 --> 02:22:20,566
Chucky gives me the finger,
and he says...

3330
02:22:20,670 --> 02:22:21,912
Hi, soldier.

3331
02:22:23,362 --> 02:22:28,194
That character's final line
before he dies is...

3332
02:22:28,298 --> 02:22:29,471
Fuck me.

3333
02:22:29,575 --> 02:22:30,818
And he was asking me,

3334
02:22:30,921 --> 02:22:33,717
"Is there
a metaphorical piece of this?

3335
02:22:33,821 --> 02:22:35,892
and I went, "Maybe."

3336
02:22:35,995 --> 02:22:37,721
"Ooh, fuck me."

3337
02:22:37,825 --> 02:22:40,137
And Jack said, "Cut!
Travis, what was that?"

3338
02:22:42,312 --> 02:22:44,107
De Silva never liked Shelton.

3339
02:22:44,210 --> 02:22:45,740
I mean, obviously,
they were in conflict

3340
02:22:45,764 --> 02:22:47,284
the whole time
she was at that academy.

3341
02:22:47,351 --> 02:22:50,113
But when he got shot,
I think there was a guilt

3342
02:22:50,216 --> 02:22:52,229
because in the back of her mind,
at one point or another,

3343
02:22:52,253 --> 02:22:54,186
she's like,
"Oh, my God, I wish he'd die."

3344
02:22:54,289 --> 02:22:56,533
Yeah, it kind of breaks
my heart that Shelton dies.

3345
02:22:56,637 --> 02:22:58,846
Even though he's the bad guy,

3346
02:22:58,949 --> 02:23:01,711
you sort of still care
about him, in a way.

3347
02:23:01,814 --> 02:23:06,232
Matthew's character responds
so heavily to my death.

3348
02:23:06,336 --> 02:23:07,751
Oh, God, he's not breathing.

3349
02:23:07,855 --> 02:23:10,892
Clearly, these two guys
had a deep, deep bond,

3350
02:23:10,996 --> 02:23:12,756
and this death affected him
in a big way,

3351
02:23:12,860 --> 02:23:14,596
and it was a beautiful
performance by Matthew.

3352
02:23:19,280 --> 02:23:22,697
Whitehurst's death is
so dramatic and heartfelt.

3353
02:23:22,801 --> 02:23:24,354
I blowed up real good.

3354
02:23:27,529 --> 02:23:29,670
There was a platform over a pit,

3355
02:23:29,773 --> 02:23:31,775
and the pit had a lot of what

3356
02:23:31,879 --> 02:23:35,296
I think it's called Fuller's
earth that blew out.

3357
02:23:36,538 --> 02:23:38,471
Dean was perfect in that role.

3358
02:23:38,575 --> 02:23:39,932
Dean did such a great job
of building

3359
02:23:39,956 --> 02:23:41,405
that character along the way.

3360
02:23:41,509 --> 02:23:42,693
I love that his character
got to be

3361
02:23:42,717 --> 02:23:44,132
a bit of a hero in the end.

3362
02:23:44,236 --> 02:23:45,030
And I said to myself,

3363
02:23:45,133 --> 02:23:46,652
"This is my moment of truth,"

3364
02:23:46,756 --> 02:23:48,274
and I jumped
on the hand grenade.

3365
02:23:48,378 --> 02:23:51,105
I did the best I could
to find a way to motivate that.

3366
02:23:51,208 --> 02:23:53,314
I don't know if I succeeded.
I hope I did.

3367
02:23:56,731 --> 02:23:58,388
Carnivals are creepy, right?

3368
02:23:58,491 --> 02:24:02,323
I mean, isn't that a perfect
opportunity to let Chucky loose?

3369
02:24:02,426 --> 02:24:03,980
We brought in a real
carnival,

3370
02:24:04,083 --> 02:24:06,465
set it up in a field,
which was mind-blowing to me.

3371
02:24:06,568 --> 02:24:07,915
They basically rented
a carnival

3372
02:24:08,018 --> 02:24:09,710
and we just, like, set it up.

3373
02:24:09,813 --> 02:24:11,515
There's a moment that my wife
and I and daughters

3374
02:24:11,539 --> 02:24:13,092
are walking through.

3375
02:24:13,196 --> 02:24:14,622
- There's your prize!
- There you go.

3376
02:24:14,646 --> 02:24:15,923
Thank you, Daddy!

3377
02:24:16,026 --> 02:24:17,649
There are carnivals
that you can rent.

3378
02:24:17,752 --> 02:24:20,168
So we were able
to just call up and say,

3379
02:24:20,272 --> 02:24:23,275
"Can you erect your carnival
at such-and-such a place?"

3380
02:24:23,378 --> 02:24:25,967
Say, give that thing a rest, or
you're out of here, both of you?

3381
02:24:26,071 --> 02:24:30,075
I was doing a play called
"Tony n' Tina's Wedding."

3382
02:24:30,178 --> 02:24:33,285
I know Don came
but also Jack Bender.

3383
02:24:33,388 --> 02:24:37,703
I do not recall auditioning,
so I think it was

3384
02:24:37,807 --> 02:24:41,051
just say, "Would you do it?"
and I said, "Yes!"

3385
02:24:41,155 --> 02:24:43,053
Mister, Mister,
you gotta help me!

3386
02:24:43,157 --> 02:24:45,884
Throughout all
the "Child's Play" movies,

3387
02:24:45,987 --> 02:24:50,820
there's always the adult
that does not listen to the kid.

3388
02:24:50,923 --> 02:24:55,341
Adults look at children
oftentimes like,

3389
02:24:55,445 --> 02:24:57,309
"Well, you're just a kid.
What do you know?"

3390
02:24:57,412 --> 02:24:59,863
Have a seat.
How about some gum, Private?

3391
02:24:59,967 --> 02:25:01,589
I love the foreshadowing,

3392
02:25:01,693 --> 02:25:05,489
when I open up the drawer
to get the gum,

3393
02:25:05,593 --> 02:25:08,216
and there happens to be a pistol

3394
02:25:08,320 --> 02:25:09,735
right there.

3395
02:25:09,839 --> 02:25:13,152
So we know something
might happen with that gun.

3396
02:25:15,603 --> 02:25:19,641
Now, I thought I would have
a wonderful death like my wife,

3397
02:25:19,745 --> 02:25:21,091
Beth Grant...

3398
02:25:21,195 --> 02:25:22,472
Aah!

3399
02:25:22,575 --> 02:25:24,405
...but I did not.

3400
02:25:24,508 --> 02:25:27,684
Justin and my character
arrive and discover

3401
02:25:27,788 --> 02:25:29,651
the body of the security guard.

3402
02:25:29,755 --> 02:25:31,239
I'm a dead body.

3403
02:25:31,343 --> 02:25:33,310
lying on this sawdust

3404
02:25:33,414 --> 02:25:36,037
while they're having
a bunch of dialogue.

3405
02:25:37,867 --> 02:25:40,386
That was the toughest job
I've ever done...

3406
02:25:40,490 --> 02:25:42,181
just being dead.

3407
02:25:44,390 --> 02:25:45,702
Perfect.

3408
02:25:45,806 --> 02:25:47,566
There was a set piece

3409
02:25:47,669 --> 02:25:49,671
that we ended up
not being able to do

3410
02:25:49,775 --> 02:25:51,156
because it was too expensive,

3411
02:25:51,259 --> 02:25:53,296
but it was in various
drafts of the script

3412
02:25:53,399 --> 02:25:56,368
where Chucky is on a more
traditional roller coaster.

3413
02:25:56,471 --> 02:25:57,932
But they didn't feel that
they had the budget.

3414
02:25:57,956 --> 02:25:59,509
We just couldn't afford it.

3415
02:25:59,612 --> 02:26:01,856
So I came up with the idea
of a house of horror,

3416
02:26:01,960 --> 02:26:03,271
and I'll never forget looking...

3417
02:26:03,375 --> 02:26:04,928
they're looking at me
like I was nuts.

3418
02:26:05,032 --> 02:26:06,585
Jack came to me that evening
and said,

3419
02:26:06,688 --> 02:26:08,311
"Rich, I like your idea.
Let's do it."

3420
02:26:08,414 --> 02:26:11,038
So we built the roller
coaster on the stage.

3421
02:26:11,141 --> 02:26:12,798
We all had so much fun
with these sets,

3422
02:26:12,902 --> 02:26:14,766
and those designers
did such a good job.

3423
02:26:14,869 --> 02:26:17,285
That was one of my favorite sets
that was built.

3424
02:26:20,426 --> 02:26:23,498
Oh, hello!
I'm so glad you could come by.

3425
02:26:23,602 --> 02:26:26,191
Come on over here.
We're making a movie. Come on.

3426
02:26:26,294 --> 02:26:29,539
How do I create, on stage,
a roller coaster?

3427
02:26:29,642 --> 02:26:32,093
And that was the first thing
that Jack asked me.

3428
02:26:33,508 --> 02:26:35,176
So I said, "To be honest
with you, I don't know,"

3429
02:26:35,200 --> 02:26:36,753
'cause I had
a very tight budget

3430
02:26:36,857 --> 02:26:38,859
and a very short period of time.

3431
02:26:38,962 --> 02:26:41,102
So I found, through research,

3432
02:26:41,206 --> 02:26:43,829
someone who had
a roller-coaster track,

3433
02:26:43,933 --> 02:26:45,313
but he didn't have the car.

3434
02:26:45,417 --> 02:26:47,143
I said, "Well, that's great."

3435
02:26:47,246 --> 02:26:50,663
'Cause I wanted to build
the car as a piece of horror.

3436
02:26:51,975 --> 02:26:53,390
The roller-coaster ride

3437
02:26:53,494 --> 02:26:55,496
was done on the Phantom stage
at Universal,

3438
02:26:55,599 --> 02:26:58,085
where they shot the original
"Phantom of the Opera."

3439
02:26:58,188 --> 02:27:02,227
And the Grim Reaper
scythes off Chucky's face.

3440
02:27:02,330 --> 02:27:03,918
Aah!

3441
02:27:04,022 --> 02:27:06,714
Made him sort of "Phantom
of the Opera" Chucky there.

3442
02:27:11,961 --> 02:27:14,791
They go into that wonderful
mountain of skulls.

3443
02:27:14,895 --> 02:27:16,620
I shot my own stunts.

3444
02:27:18,139 --> 02:27:20,901
I was hanging from an invisible

3445
02:27:21,004 --> 02:27:23,006
metal protection wire,

3446
02:27:23,110 --> 02:27:25,146
and it went through my clothes,
and it went down,

3447
02:27:25,250 --> 02:27:27,424
and there was a harness.
I was really hanging.

3448
02:27:27,528 --> 02:27:31,428
And there was, like,
huge industrial fans below us.

3449
02:27:31,532 --> 02:27:34,638
Chucky falls into that
and just gets ripped to shreds.

3450
02:27:34,742 --> 02:27:36,848
Aah!

3451
02:27:36,951 --> 02:27:39,402
Him falling into
this gigantic,

3452
02:27:39,505 --> 02:27:41,404
industrial-sized fan

3453
02:27:41,507 --> 02:27:43,958
and being torn into pieces
is really cool.

3454
02:27:45,649 --> 02:27:48,238
As she's getting carted off
in the ambulance,

3455
02:27:48,342 --> 02:27:50,827
it's all wrapped up nicely.
Chucky's been blown up.

3456
02:27:50,931 --> 02:27:52,864
There is no obvious
cliffhanger.

3457
02:27:52,967 --> 02:27:56,315
I always felt that she would
be back for more

3458
02:27:56,419 --> 02:27:58,559
because she and Chucky
were not done.

3459
02:27:58,662 --> 02:28:00,319
I think that that last scene,

3460
02:28:00,423 --> 02:28:02,977
where Andy's being taken away
in the car,

3461
02:28:03,081 --> 02:28:05,186
it's not great.
It's not great.

3462
02:28:05,290 --> 02:28:11,537
And I think it's just
symptomatic of my fatigue.

3463
02:28:11,641 --> 02:28:13,401
I poked at the trash

3464
02:28:13,505 --> 02:28:15,921
as the credits
that nobody reads go up.

3465
02:28:16,025 --> 02:28:18,337
He's stabbing the trash
and putting it in a bag,

3466
02:28:18,441 --> 02:28:22,479
and there is a piece of Chucky's
face lying there on the ground.

3467
02:28:22,583 --> 02:28:25,862
He stabs it and then
stuffs it into the bag.

3468
02:28:25,966 --> 02:28:28,554
That was the way
that Chucky would come back,

3469
02:28:28,658 --> 02:28:29,935
but I understand that was cut.

3470
02:28:30,039 --> 02:28:32,489
Was I cut from the film?
Those bastards!

3471
02:28:32,593 --> 02:28:34,836
Where's my agent?

3472
02:28:34,940 --> 02:28:36,528
Chucky's training now complete,

3473
02:28:36,631 --> 02:28:40,083
it was time to prepare
for a tour of terror.

3474
02:28:40,187 --> 02:28:43,086
The film's first stop
before storming theaters,

3475
02:28:43,190 --> 02:28:46,538
post-production editing,
scoring, and ADR.

3476
02:28:46,641 --> 02:28:50,024
I was super excited to get
a call to come back again,

3477
02:28:50,128 --> 02:28:51,992
this time
as an assistant editor.

3478
02:28:52,095 --> 02:28:54,095
I did write the score
with my partner at the time,

3479
02:28:54,166 --> 02:28:55,512
John D'Andrea.

3480
02:28:55,616 --> 02:28:57,756
We just knew that Jack Bender
wanted something

3481
02:28:57,859 --> 02:28:59,585
really different
than the past scores.

3482
02:28:59,689 --> 02:29:02,934
They were known at the time
for "Baywatch."

3483
02:29:03,037 --> 02:29:05,833
I was used to, you know,
young, beautiful women

3484
02:29:05,937 --> 02:29:08,215
running down the beach
in slow-motion.

3485
02:29:08,318 --> 02:29:11,908
So to go over to Chucky
was a whole other thing.

3486
02:29:12,012 --> 02:29:14,428
There was definitely
a sense of deadlines.

3487
02:29:14,531 --> 02:29:15,981
Constant deadlines.

3488
02:29:16,085 --> 02:29:18,156
Tell you, we worked
tirelessly on that thing.

3489
02:29:18,259 --> 02:29:21,193
I mean, hundreds and hundreds
of hours went into that score.

3490
02:29:21,297 --> 02:29:23,713
I feel like we still
delivered a great movie.

3491
02:29:23,816 --> 02:29:26,923
The movie itself, altogether,
in the theater was awesome.

3492
02:29:27,027 --> 02:29:28,373
The first time I saw the movie

3493
02:29:28,476 --> 02:29:30,064
was at
the cast and crew screening,

3494
02:29:30,168 --> 02:29:31,859
and that was just awesome.

3495
02:29:31,963 --> 02:29:33,516
I thought it was
incredibly exciting.

3496
02:29:33,619 --> 02:29:34,966
I think I brought my mom.

3497
02:29:35,069 --> 02:29:36,709
There was so much to love
about the film,

3498
02:29:36,795 --> 02:29:37,969
so many surprises.

3499
02:29:38,072 --> 02:29:39,971
I've seen the movie
a couple times,

3500
02:29:40,074 --> 02:29:41,765
and I have fun,
and I laugh out loud.

3501
02:29:41,869 --> 02:29:43,491
I'm just watching, you know,

3502
02:29:43,595 --> 02:29:45,390
just like everybody else
in the audience,

3503
02:29:45,493 --> 02:29:48,048
not knowing what
to expect next.

3504
02:29:48,151 --> 02:29:50,740
"Child's Play 3" was
deployed to theaters

3505
02:29:50,843 --> 02:29:53,156
on August 30, 1991.

3506
02:29:53,260 --> 02:29:55,124
While critics and audiences

3507
02:29:55,227 --> 02:29:57,954
conferred a less
than friendly homecoming,

3508
02:29:58,058 --> 02:30:00,060
the cast and crew
believed their time

3509
02:30:00,163 --> 02:30:03,270
in the trenches
would forever be memorable.

3510
02:30:03,373 --> 02:30:06,549
"Child's Play 3"
was not viewed successfully.

3511
02:30:06,652 --> 02:30:08,309
The film just
didn't seem to work.

3512
02:30:08,413 --> 02:30:10,380
Box office-wise,
2 didn't do as well as 1,

3513
02:30:10,484 --> 02:30:11,968
and 3 didn't do as well as 2.

3514
02:30:12,072 --> 02:30:13,625
The movie did not do well.

3515
02:30:13,728 --> 02:30:15,316
The reviews certainly hurt.

3516
02:30:15,420 --> 02:30:17,422
The last line, Andy says,
"I've been here before."

3517
02:30:17,525 --> 02:30:19,389
I think it was
the L.A. Timesreview,

3518
02:30:19,493 --> 02:30:22,392
something like, "We sure have."
Went, "Eh."

3519
02:30:22,496 --> 02:30:24,843
I thought it was
probably over at that point.

3520
02:30:24,946 --> 02:30:26,500
The failure of that movie

3521
02:30:26,603 --> 02:30:30,366
was my first experience
with failure in Hollywood.

3522
02:30:30,469 --> 02:30:32,057
The studio, at that point,

3523
02:30:32,161 --> 02:30:34,335
wondered if maybe
we should change writers.

3524
02:30:34,439 --> 02:30:37,338
That was something
that I was dead set against.

3525
02:30:37,442 --> 02:30:39,247
You know, I think
I was amazed that it did three,

3526
02:30:39,271 --> 02:30:41,929
and I wasn't surprised
when people were tired of it.

3527
02:30:42,033 --> 02:30:44,552
The first one, we were
discovering a brand-new animal.

3528
02:30:44,656 --> 02:30:47,072
Second one, we were improving
that and making it even better.

3529
02:30:47,176 --> 02:30:48,660
By the time
we got to the third one,

3530
02:30:48,763 --> 02:30:51,007
I think it was just
same old, same old, in a sense.

3531
02:30:51,111 --> 02:30:53,044
I really thought,
"Okay. That's the end."

3532
02:30:53,147 --> 02:30:55,494
And it was the end
for quite a while.

3533
02:30:55,598 --> 02:30:58,049
It was the first
negative impact

3534
02:30:58,152 --> 02:31:00,603
on my career and livelihood.

3535
02:31:00,706 --> 02:31:04,089
So, you know,
it was very existential for me.

3536
02:31:04,193 --> 02:31:06,471
So I think it kind of
skews my...

3537
02:31:06,574 --> 02:31:09,232
my whole feeling about the film.

3538
02:31:09,336 --> 02:31:11,614
And I go back and applaud Don
because he took what was

3539
02:31:11,717 --> 02:31:13,926
this sort of silly
little horror franchise,

3540
02:31:14,030 --> 02:31:15,590
and he's really turned it
into something

3541
02:31:15,618 --> 02:31:18,379
that is speaking on
a much deeper level.

3542
02:31:18,483 --> 02:31:20,163
I would say the making
of "Child's Play 3"

3543
02:31:20,209 --> 02:31:22,280
was an adventure.

3544
02:31:22,383 --> 02:31:25,076
I have to say that
I'm very, very proud.

3545
02:31:25,179 --> 02:31:27,285
The effect that it has
had on many,

3546
02:31:27,388 --> 02:31:31,047
many people has been
a tremendous success,

3547
02:31:31,151 --> 02:31:33,291
and being part of that success,

3548
02:31:33,394 --> 02:31:36,466
I feel I've been...
I've contributed a great deal.

3549
02:31:36,570 --> 02:31:38,089
For me, it was very satisfying

3550
02:31:38,192 --> 02:31:41,057
to be invited back
to do the third movie,

3551
02:31:41,161 --> 02:31:43,404
having been a big fan
of the first one

3552
02:31:43,508 --> 02:31:46,373
and being part of the success
of the second one.

3553
02:31:46,476 --> 02:31:49,341
So, for me,
it gave my early career

3554
02:31:49,445 --> 02:31:51,757
a sense of completion already
that I got to be part

3555
02:31:51,861 --> 02:31:56,693
of this huge, fun horror
franchise of the Chucky world.

3556
02:31:56,797 --> 02:32:00,180
I think learning
about Chucky was fun.

3557
02:32:00,283 --> 02:32:02,285
I think arguing with the crew

3558
02:32:02,389 --> 02:32:05,426
that they weren't
going fast enough wasn't fun.

3559
02:32:05,530 --> 02:32:08,429
Well, I definitely
enjoyed the process.

3560
02:32:08,533 --> 02:32:10,983
That was very exciting.
Especially when I see it,

3561
02:32:11,087 --> 02:32:13,124
you know, these days, I think,

3562
02:32:13,227 --> 02:32:14,573
"Those are some
pretty cool cues."

3563
02:32:14,677 --> 02:32:17,818
It was a good experience
because we

3564
02:32:17,921 --> 02:32:19,475
did enjoy ourselves.

3565
02:32:19,578 --> 02:32:21,856
And when, you know,
"Cut!" happened,

3566
02:32:21,960 --> 02:32:23,548
we'd often laugh,
you know,

3567
02:32:23,651 --> 02:32:26,585
so we wouldn't take it
so seriously on the set.

3568
02:32:26,689 --> 02:32:30,486
I want to say thank you.
Thank you for Jack Bender,

3569
02:32:30,589 --> 02:32:34,421
and thank you
for Don Mancini to write it.

3570
02:32:34,524 --> 02:32:36,216
I've played opposite
Helen Mirren

3571
02:32:36,319 --> 02:32:37,769
and Denzel Washington,

3572
02:32:37,872 --> 02:32:39,391
but to play opposite Chucky,

3573
02:32:39,495 --> 02:32:41,704
this is a...
this is an honor.

3574
02:32:41,807 --> 02:32:43,947
It was just so cool
to be a part of this thing

3575
02:32:44,051 --> 02:32:46,329
that is loved by so many.

3576
02:32:46,433 --> 02:32:48,262
Being a part
of the Chucky-verse,

3577
02:32:48,366 --> 02:32:50,230
it's just one
of the coolest things.

3578
02:32:50,333 --> 02:32:53,164
The most fun part of
making "Child's Play 3"

3579
02:32:53,267 --> 02:32:54,751
would have to have been,
for me,

3580
02:32:54,855 --> 02:32:57,237
playing that great character
that I got to play.

3581
02:32:57,340 --> 02:33:00,861
Being able to bark lines to
people like R. Lee Ermey

3582
02:33:00,964 --> 02:33:02,932
from "Full Metal Jacket"!

3583
02:33:03,035 --> 02:33:06,211
And just being involved
in such an iconic franchise,

3584
02:33:06,315 --> 02:33:08,317
you just felt giddy
every day going to work.

3585
02:33:08,420 --> 02:33:10,284
Making that movie
was so exciting

3586
02:33:10,388 --> 02:33:12,700
because it was
my first feature film.

3587
02:33:12,804 --> 02:33:15,876
It was my first studio project.
It was a great time.

3588
02:33:15,979 --> 02:33:17,636
Everyone was great.

3589
02:33:17,740 --> 02:33:21,157
Like, you know, it was just
beautiful to start my career

3590
02:33:21,261 --> 02:33:23,884
in a very high
professional atmosphere,

3591
02:33:23,987 --> 02:33:26,507
with quality top professionals.

3592
02:33:26,611 --> 02:33:29,338
Being a part of a franchise
with a character like Chucky

3593
02:33:29,441 --> 02:33:31,236
was one of the most fun
and wonderful

3594
02:33:31,340 --> 02:33:33,342
and exciting opportunities
that I've had.

3595
02:33:33,445 --> 02:33:36,276
For me, to get to play
and have so much fun

3596
02:33:36,379 --> 02:33:38,485
in an early part of my career

3597
02:33:38,588 --> 02:33:40,280
with such a wonderful
group of people,

3598
02:33:40,383 --> 02:33:43,144
I feel incredibly lucky
that that was in my life.

3599
02:33:43,248 --> 02:33:44,698
Bringing "Child's Play 3"
to life

3600
02:33:44,801 --> 02:33:47,494
is probably one of
the easiest moments of my life,

3601
02:33:47,597 --> 02:33:51,636
of bringing a production
to production,

3602
02:33:51,739 --> 02:33:54,432
and that was that
the studio said to me,

3603
02:33:54,535 --> 02:33:56,503
"Start working on
'Child's Play 3.'"

3604
02:33:56,606 --> 02:33:58,505
Whoa!
That was incredible.

3605
02:33:58,608 --> 02:34:01,335
I look at a lot of sequels,
and I think, you know,

3606
02:34:01,439 --> 02:34:04,476
"This is a really,
really bad idea."

3607
02:34:04,580 --> 02:34:07,824
It rarely, rarely ever works.

3608
02:34:07,928 --> 02:34:10,793
A sequel has to be something
that is so good,

3609
02:34:10,896 --> 02:34:14,037
it's not even a sequel,
and that's a tall order.

3610
02:34:14,141 --> 02:34:18,525
It was an admirable attempt
to do something different,

3611
02:34:18,628 --> 02:34:20,596
to put a little bit
of a spin on it.

3612
02:34:20,699 --> 02:34:22,805
It was just getting tired.

3613
02:34:22,908 --> 02:34:25,048
My main feeling about
that movie is, like,

3614
02:34:25,152 --> 02:34:26,498
"I fucked up."

3615
02:34:28,328 --> 02:34:29,605
Let's move on to "Bride."

3616
02:34:45,241 --> 02:34:47,174
After the disappointing
reception

3617
02:34:47,278 --> 02:34:49,763
of 1991's "Child's Play 3,"

3618
02:34:49,866 --> 02:34:53,318
Chucky was placed back
in his box for years

3619
02:34:53,422 --> 02:34:56,010
after several failed starts
to stoke the flames

3620
02:34:56,114 --> 02:34:58,323
of Charles Lee Ray's bloodlust,

3621
02:34:58,427 --> 02:35:01,568
a fourth film was finally
given the greenlight...

3622
02:35:01,671 --> 02:35:02,983
for love.

3623
02:35:03,086 --> 02:35:05,537
David and I were always
in constant communication

3624
02:35:05,641 --> 02:35:07,574
about like, you know,
what could we do next

3625
02:35:07,677 --> 02:35:09,438
and when would be
the right time.

3626
02:35:09,541 --> 02:35:13,890
My wife and I were in
Rocket Video on La Brea Avenue,

3627
02:35:13,994 --> 02:35:16,652
and there was
"The Bride of Frankenstein."

3628
02:35:16,755 --> 02:35:20,690
And it's just like this silly
light bulb went off in my head.

3629
02:35:20,794 --> 02:35:22,727
"What if we did a bride
for Chucky?"

3630
02:35:22,830 --> 02:35:24,625
We just thought
it would be so much fun

3631
02:35:24,729 --> 02:35:27,594
to add a new character
to the mix.

3632
02:35:29,630 --> 02:35:31,630
I was a development executive
for David Kirschner,

3633
02:35:31,667 --> 02:35:33,254
the producer.
Don went away

3634
02:35:33,358 --> 02:35:36,775
and did the wonderful concocting
of imagination that he does.

3635
02:35:36,879 --> 02:35:38,812
I felt like, "I don't want
to repeat the mistake

3636
02:35:38,915 --> 02:35:42,229
of 'Child's Play 3.'
We've got to do something new.

3637
02:35:42,333 --> 02:35:44,300
We're gonna make Chucky
the lead."

3638
02:35:44,404 --> 02:35:47,338
I was, indeed, surprised
to get the call

3639
02:35:47,441 --> 02:35:48,867
that we were going
to do another movie,

3640
02:35:48,891 --> 02:35:50,789
and then delighted
when I read it.

3641
02:35:50,893 --> 02:35:54,310
I thought it's
a beautifully conceived script.

3642
02:35:54,414 --> 02:35:55,449
You got that right.

3643
02:35:55,553 --> 02:35:57,002
When we pitched it,

3644
02:35:57,106 --> 02:35:58,452
David had constructed,

3645
02:35:58,556 --> 02:36:00,212
like, a little chuppah.

3646
02:36:00,316 --> 02:36:01,766
It was like a wedding scene.

3647
02:36:01,869 --> 02:36:03,561
We were calling it
a haunted chuppah,

3648
02:36:03,664 --> 02:36:06,840
and we had a doll that was
representative of Tiffany

3649
02:36:06,943 --> 02:36:08,438
because that hadn't
actually been built yet,

3650
02:36:08,462 --> 02:36:10,084
and then
an older Chucky doll.

3651
02:36:10,188 --> 02:36:12,190
We presented it to Marc Platt.

3652
02:36:12,293 --> 02:36:13,743
And Marc was sort of
on the bubble.

3653
02:36:13,847 --> 02:36:15,020
No. It was no.

3654
02:36:15,124 --> 02:36:17,333
And a bunch of months went by.

3655
02:36:17,437 --> 02:36:20,474
Marc had a renewed interest
in Chucky

3656
02:36:20,578 --> 02:36:23,995
because his daughter
had had a slumber party.

3657
02:36:24,098 --> 02:36:26,515
And she and all of her friends
had rented

3658
02:36:26,618 --> 02:36:29,069
all the Chucky movies
and loved them.

3659
02:36:29,172 --> 02:36:30,553
It's the honest to God truth.

3660
02:36:30,657 --> 02:36:32,728
That's what got it made.
It was a teenage girl

3661
02:36:32,831 --> 02:36:35,524
that got "Bride of Chucky"
the greenlight.

3662
02:36:35,627 --> 02:36:38,492
With classic inspiration,
a knowing wink,

3663
02:36:38,596 --> 02:36:41,668
and Chucky's impending
nuptials on the horizon,

3664
02:36:41,771 --> 02:36:43,808
it was time
to send out invitations

3665
02:36:43,911 --> 02:36:47,467
for cast and crew
to join the ceremony.

3666
02:36:47,570 --> 02:36:49,192
We pursued Ronny Yu
for the director

3667
02:36:49,296 --> 02:36:50,608
of "Bride of Chucky"
really hard.

3668
02:36:50,711 --> 02:36:53,404
When they first
asked me to do it,

3669
02:36:53,507 --> 02:36:55,095
I said, "I have to be
very frank."

3670
02:36:55,198 --> 02:36:57,304
You know, I knew nothing.

3671
02:36:57,408 --> 02:36:59,340
I knew nothing about Chucky.

3672
02:36:59,444 --> 02:37:00,825
Shit!

3673
02:37:00,928 --> 02:37:02,758
We really didn't think
he would entertain it.

3674
02:37:02,861 --> 02:37:05,519
And we thought, "Oh, my gosh.
We'll be so lucky if he does."

3675
02:37:05,623 --> 02:37:07,072
I said, "No, thank you."

3676
02:37:07,176 --> 02:37:08,695
To be very, very honest,

3677
02:37:08,798 --> 02:37:10,248
I don't like horror movies.

3678
02:37:10,351 --> 02:37:11,939
They scare the hell out of me.

3679
02:37:12,043 --> 02:37:13,665
But then my agent said,

3680
02:37:13,769 --> 02:37:16,875
"The producers are great fans
of your "Bride with White Hair."

3681
02:37:16,979 --> 02:37:18,912
I remember watching
"The Bride with White Hair"

3682
02:37:19,015 --> 02:37:23,364
with Don, and for me, I had
never seen anything like that.

3683
02:37:23,468 --> 02:37:25,228
It blew my mind.

3684
02:37:25,332 --> 02:37:28,404
- Hmm!
- Ha!

3685
02:37:28,508 --> 02:37:30,268
It's just stunning.

3686
02:37:30,371 --> 02:37:34,617
So I have a phone call
with Don and David and Corey,

3687
02:37:34,721 --> 02:37:36,654
and they sort of,
like, convinced me.

3688
02:37:36,757 --> 02:37:38,528
It was also a thing, though,
to convince the studio

3689
02:37:38,552 --> 02:37:40,692
because he wasn't doing
American movies.

3690
02:37:40,796 --> 02:37:43,661
And I think one of the major
reasons that I said yes

3691
02:37:43,764 --> 02:37:47,043
is because the studio allowed me
to bring my own team.

3692
02:37:47,147 --> 02:37:50,391
The cinematographer was
an exceptional human being

3693
02:37:50,495 --> 02:37:52,255
by the name of Peter Pau.

3694
02:37:52,359 --> 02:37:53,809
We hired Ronny and Peter

3695
02:37:53,912 --> 02:37:57,847
because they had this brilliant,
stylized aesthetic.

3696
02:37:57,951 --> 02:38:01,679
The script came to me
through Grace Gilroy.

3697
02:38:01,782 --> 02:38:05,337
There were just so many
opportunities for design,

3698
02:38:05,441 --> 02:38:08,755
and I thought, "Oh, my God.
This is incredibly scary."

3699
02:38:08,858 --> 02:38:11,274
I read the script,
and suddenly Tiffany comes up...

3700
02:38:11,378 --> 02:38:12,793
"Oh, my God.
A woman doll?"

3701
02:38:12,897 --> 02:38:16,072
Boom! Out of the Don mind
came Tiffany.

3702
02:38:16,176 --> 02:38:18,661
I loved writing the character
of Tiffany because

3703
02:38:18,765 --> 02:38:23,183
I was really able
to let my queer freak flag fly.

3704
02:38:23,286 --> 02:38:25,081
And it was all about contrast.

3705
02:38:25,185 --> 02:38:28,775
Chucky loves his job,
and he makes a connection,

3706
02:38:28,878 --> 02:38:31,881
a deep connection with her
in spite of himself.

3707
02:38:31,985 --> 02:38:33,711
They are
the Bonnie and Clyde of horror.

3708
02:38:33,814 --> 02:38:35,333
They're Sid and Nancy.

3709
02:38:35,436 --> 02:38:37,138
I went right to work.
And I think I started designing

3710
02:38:37,162 --> 02:38:38,722
before I had any money,
I was so excited

3711
02:38:38,819 --> 02:38:40,200
about working on it again.

3712
02:38:40,303 --> 02:38:43,272
I started to draw
what would be this bride.

3713
02:38:43,375 --> 02:38:47,000
and Kevin Yagher yet again
hit it out of the park.

3714
02:38:47,103 --> 02:38:49,520
Ronny came by the shop to look
at the Chucky parts I had,

3715
02:38:49,623 --> 02:38:51,314
to meet me
for the first time.

3716
02:38:51,418 --> 02:38:53,731
We had a great relationship,
and he was very trusting.

3717
02:38:53,834 --> 02:38:55,432
He was saying, "You know,
you're the person who knows

3718
02:38:55,456 --> 02:38:56,665
the most about the doll.

3719
02:38:56,768 --> 02:38:58,149
You know,
I have to rely on you."

3720
02:39:00,185 --> 02:39:02,947
Casting Jennifer Tilly
and the way the script

3721
02:39:03,050 --> 02:39:05,984
was written
were just acts of genius.

3722
02:39:06,088 --> 02:39:08,815
I was just a fan,
and I knew that she was

3723
02:39:08,918 --> 02:39:11,852
the absolute perfect person
to play that role.

3724
02:39:11,956 --> 02:39:14,545
I had just come off
my Oscar nomination,

3725
02:39:14,648 --> 02:39:16,581
and I had this idea
that I was going to be

3726
02:39:16,685 --> 02:39:19,515
the next Helen Mirren,
the next Dame Judi Dench.

3727
02:39:19,619 --> 02:39:21,448
And my agent called up,
and he goes,

3728
02:39:21,552 --> 02:39:24,037
"Jennifer, I got you
an offer for a movie,"

3729
02:39:24,140 --> 02:39:26,004
and I said,
"Well, what's it about?"

3730
02:39:26,108 --> 02:39:28,282
and he said,
"Well...

3731
02:39:28,386 --> 02:39:30,906
it's about a little doll."

3732
02:39:31,009 --> 02:39:32,701
And I went, "A Chucky movie?!

3733
02:39:32,804 --> 02:39:35,427
I'm not doing a Chucky movie!"

3734
02:39:35,531 --> 02:39:36,843
I wrote it for Jennifer Tilly,

3735
02:39:36,946 --> 02:39:38,465
even though I didn't know her.

3736
02:39:38,569 --> 02:39:40,536
I had never met her
at this point.

3737
02:39:40,640 --> 02:39:41,986
I heard that Don Mancini,

3738
02:39:42,089 --> 02:39:43,619
when he was writing
the voice of Tiffany,

3739
02:39:43,643 --> 02:39:44,851
he kept hearing my voice,

3740
02:39:44,954 --> 02:39:47,370
so he was really obsessed
with me.

3741
02:39:47,474 --> 02:39:49,027
I wanted Jennifer, too.

3742
02:39:49,131 --> 02:39:51,651
Don wanted Jennifer,
David wanted Jennifer.

3743
02:39:51,754 --> 02:39:52,962
Corey wanted Jennifer.

3744
02:39:53,066 --> 02:39:54,446
I got the script,
and I thought,

3745
02:39:54,550 --> 02:39:56,103
"Wow, this script
is very clever."

3746
02:39:56,207 --> 02:39:59,520
I love camp, and I thought
it's sort of haunting, too.

3747
02:39:59,624 --> 02:40:01,453
And I really liked
the character.

3748
02:40:01,557 --> 02:40:03,524
I liked that she was just,
you know,

3749
02:40:03,628 --> 02:40:05,561
a white-trash girl
looking for love.

3750
02:40:05,665 --> 02:40:08,288
And somehow,
there's some people

3751
02:40:08,391 --> 02:40:10,255
in the studio didn't like it.

3752
02:40:10,359 --> 02:40:11,809
The studio just thought

3753
02:40:11,912 --> 02:40:14,674
that maybe she would be
too cartoony for the film.

3754
02:40:14,777 --> 02:40:17,884
The studio really wanted
Tiffani Amber Thiessen

3755
02:40:17,987 --> 02:40:20,024
because she would
fit our budget.

3756
02:40:20,127 --> 02:40:21,647
Because the normal thing
at that point

3757
02:40:21,715 --> 02:40:23,106
for a teen horror movie
would be to cast

3758
02:40:23,130 --> 02:40:24,960
a kind of a teen regular icon.

3759
02:40:25,063 --> 02:40:28,860
And it's just like, "Here's an
Academy Award nominated actress

3760
02:40:28,964 --> 02:40:30,631
from Woody Allen's
"Bullets Over Broadway"...

3761
02:40:30,655 --> 02:40:33,934
I am sick and tired of getting
bumped into and stepped on.

3762
02:40:34,038 --> 02:40:35,833
...that she is so great in.

3763
02:40:35,936 --> 02:40:38,663
So it was three weeks of work,
and Jennifer's rate

3764
02:40:38,767 --> 02:40:40,907
was $100,000 a week.

3765
02:40:41,010 --> 02:40:45,014
So David and I had to chip
in a lot of our own money.

3766
02:40:45,118 --> 02:40:48,224
Don Mancini and David Kirschner
took a pay cut

3767
02:40:48,328 --> 02:40:50,882
because I wanted more money...

3768
02:40:50,986 --> 02:40:53,195
to "ruin my career."

3769
02:40:53,298 --> 02:40:55,197
I was a brat.

3770
02:40:55,300 --> 02:40:56,612
It was money well spent.

3771
02:40:56,716 --> 02:40:58,131
Jennifer Tilly's
got that great...

3772
02:40:58,234 --> 02:41:00,194
just such a great voice.
It's so iconic, you know.

3773
02:41:00,236 --> 02:41:03,136
She flies by the seat
of her pants and ad libs.

3774
02:41:03,239 --> 02:41:07,312
Jennifer is really
extraordinary

3775
02:41:07,416 --> 02:41:09,107
at making up dialogue.

3776
02:41:09,211 --> 02:41:11,558
That aspect of it
was crucial for Brad.

3777
02:41:11,662 --> 02:41:13,871
I think he was very excited

3778
02:41:13,974 --> 02:41:16,390
about getting to work
with another actor.

3779
02:41:16,494 --> 02:41:18,082
Brad is a brilliant actor,

3780
02:41:18,185 --> 02:41:21,188
and I really do feel like
they love each other so much.

3781
02:41:21,292 --> 02:41:22,569
It was really a blast.

3782
02:41:22,673 --> 02:41:26,021
She brought me out
in a really cool way.

3783
02:41:26,124 --> 02:41:29,956
Suddenly, the whole franchise
came to life for me.

3784
02:41:30,059 --> 02:41:32,821
Critical elements of
the film now in place,

3785
02:41:32,924 --> 02:41:35,099
"Bride of Chucky's"
courtship ended,

3786
02:41:35,202 --> 02:41:37,860
and the time had come
to put a ring on it.

3787
02:41:37,964 --> 02:41:41,484
With that, production on
the $25 million film

3788
02:41:41,588 --> 02:41:44,936
began on April 15, 1998.

3789
02:41:45,040 --> 02:41:48,422
It was the longest shooting
schedule that we had had.

3790
02:41:48,526 --> 02:41:50,942
Making movies
with the studio.

3791
02:41:51,046 --> 02:41:53,807
You know, the entire system
is different from Hong Kong.

3792
02:41:53,911 --> 02:41:55,429
I loved Ronny Yu.

3793
02:41:55,533 --> 02:41:57,017
He's Chinese, I'm half Chinese.

3794
02:41:57,121 --> 02:41:58,754
I don't know if that
had anything to do with it.

3795
02:41:58,778 --> 02:42:00,745
But he was a really
spiritual guy.

3796
02:42:00,849 --> 02:42:03,127
He would burn sage
or do a little prayer.

3797
02:42:03,230 --> 02:42:05,854
At the start of each day
of shooting,

3798
02:42:05,957 --> 02:42:09,443
they would do this ritual
to dispel spirits.

3799
02:42:11,549 --> 02:42:15,656
The evidence depository
was a bit of a holdover

3800
02:42:15,760 --> 02:42:17,313
from "Child's Play 2."

3801
02:42:17,417 --> 02:42:20,696
We had a court case with
the Catherine Hicks character

3802
02:42:20,800 --> 02:42:23,147
where she is deemed
an unfit mother.

3803
02:42:23,250 --> 02:42:26,426
There's usually
a police station involved,

3804
02:42:26,529 --> 02:42:27,945
and there's locker rooms.

3805
02:42:28,048 --> 02:42:30,775
The challenge
is making all of that stuff

3806
02:42:30,879 --> 02:42:34,296
visually accessible
so it's not boring.

3807
02:42:34,399 --> 02:42:35,746
In the wake of "Scream,"

3808
02:42:35,849 --> 02:42:39,957
this meta moment
of seeing Michael Myers' mask

3809
02:42:40,060 --> 02:42:42,545
and the chainsaw from
"Texas Chainsaw Massacre,"

3810
02:42:42,649 --> 02:42:44,651
that was fun to do.

3811
02:42:46,135 --> 02:42:46,964
Cool.

3812
02:42:47,067 --> 02:42:48,759
The scene at the beginning,

3813
02:42:48,862 --> 02:42:51,037
where the cop is in a warehouse,

3814
02:42:51,140 --> 02:42:52,659
where he's going
to meet Jennifer,

3815
02:42:52,763 --> 02:42:54,730
and the light
coming in at night,

3816
02:42:54,834 --> 02:42:56,801
the moon, it's delicious.

3817
02:42:56,905 --> 02:42:59,666
We found this place.
It was so beautiful,

3818
02:42:59,770 --> 02:43:01,426
the shafts of light.

3819
02:43:01,530 --> 02:43:07,467
Jennifer with the blond hair
and the black latex mini skirt.

3820
02:43:07,570 --> 02:43:08,917
And then
when I killed the cop,

3821
02:43:09,020 --> 02:43:10,711
and then I put the Chucky
doll in the bag,

3822
02:43:10,815 --> 02:43:12,058
and I'm walking away.

3823
02:43:12,161 --> 02:43:13,380
And this is very much
the Hong Kong

3824
02:43:13,404 --> 02:43:14,992
film sensibility, also.

3825
02:43:15,095 --> 02:43:16,659
That was just really
the greatest introduction

3826
02:43:16,683 --> 02:43:18,029
to Tiffany ever.

3827
02:43:18,133 --> 02:43:20,687
I remember Ronny saying,

3828
02:43:20,791 --> 02:43:24,864
"It's like a commercial
for murder."

3829
02:43:24,967 --> 02:43:27,211
Well, hello, dolly.

3830
02:43:27,314 --> 02:43:29,144
I love the scene
where Tiffany is stitching

3831
02:43:29,247 --> 02:43:32,043
the doll back together because
it's truly a labor of love.

3832
02:43:32,147 --> 02:43:33,493
And I said,
"Oh, how about if

3833
02:43:33,596 --> 02:43:34,874
I put the eyeball in my mouth?"

3834
02:43:34,977 --> 02:43:36,358
And he's like, "Why?"

3835
02:43:36,461 --> 02:43:38,094
And I said, "Oh,
I'm just fucking with him."

3836
02:43:38,118 --> 02:43:39,671
And he loved the idea.

3837
02:43:39,775 --> 02:43:42,122
Hello.
I'm Chief Kincaid, Jade's uncle.

3838
02:43:42,226 --> 02:43:44,780
David Kirschner
had a relationship

3839
02:43:44,884 --> 02:43:46,264
and a friendship
with John Ritter

3840
02:43:46,368 --> 02:43:48,853
because they had done
a TV movie together

3841
02:43:48,957 --> 02:43:50,613
about L. Frank Baum.

3842
02:43:50,717 --> 02:43:54,100
John Ritter and I had done
"The Dreamer of Oz" together.

3843
02:43:54,203 --> 02:43:55,687
Which Jack Bender directed.

3844
02:43:55,791 --> 02:43:58,932
David and the producers
and Don and Corey

3845
02:43:59,036 --> 02:44:01,038
somehow got hold of John Ritter.

3846
02:44:01,141 --> 02:44:02,625
You know, "Oh, great!"

3847
02:44:02,729 --> 02:44:05,525
He would play a complete ass

3848
02:44:05,628 --> 02:44:09,046
and a really bad guy.

3849
02:44:09,149 --> 02:44:11,117
Just everything
that John wasn't.

3850
02:44:11,220 --> 02:44:14,120
He said, "Yes!
Yes, make me awful.

3851
02:44:14,223 --> 02:44:17,054
Make the audience
want to see me die."

3852
02:44:17,157 --> 02:44:19,539
God bless his memory
because he just added

3853
02:44:19,642 --> 02:44:21,092
so much to that film.

3854
02:44:21,196 --> 02:44:23,370
Yuck.
Not my type.

3855
02:44:23,474 --> 02:44:25,510
I'm so over
that whole uniform thing.

3856
02:44:25,614 --> 02:44:31,689
It was very unusual to have
a casually gay teenage character

3857
02:44:31,792 --> 02:44:33,173
in a studio horror movie.

3858
02:44:33,277 --> 02:44:36,038
Jade is going off to prom,

3859
02:44:36,142 --> 02:44:39,179
supposedly, with David,
her friend who was gay.

3860
02:44:39,283 --> 02:44:41,112
David Collins.
Nice to meet you, sir.

3861
02:44:41,216 --> 02:44:42,596
I really wanted this part.

3862
02:44:42,700 --> 02:44:44,771
And I literally read
that script in an hour,

3863
02:44:44,875 --> 02:44:46,324
like I just,
I rifled through it

3864
02:44:46,428 --> 02:44:48,602
and I was laughing out loud,
and I was loving it.

3865
02:44:48,706 --> 02:44:51,053
He just kind of encapsulated
it by saying like,

3866
02:44:51,157 --> 02:44:52,468
"Oh, so he's like
the handmaiden.

3867
02:44:52,572 --> 02:44:53,998
He's like the handmaiden
to the main characters,"

3868
02:44:54,022 --> 02:44:55,437
and we're like,
"Yes! That's right."

3869
02:44:55,540 --> 02:44:57,128
So he's kind of a genius.

3870
02:44:57,232 --> 02:45:00,752
I had made the choice
not to play the character gay,

3871
02:45:00,856 --> 02:45:03,203
but Don had given
this character a rhythm,

3872
02:45:03,307 --> 02:45:04,722
like the way
the character speaks.

3873
02:45:04,825 --> 02:45:06,413
It just...
it was in the writing.

3874
02:45:06,517 --> 02:45:09,209
So all I did was do what I
thought was intended by Don.

3875
02:45:09,313 --> 02:45:11,349
Phew! Something
really stinks in here!

3876
02:45:11,453 --> 02:45:14,145
It was something I found
in the writing, actually.

3877
02:45:14,249 --> 02:45:19,426
I didn't initially plan
on that character being gay.

3878
02:45:19,530 --> 02:45:21,187
Don and David and Corey

3879
02:45:21,290 --> 02:45:23,568
thought
it's the right thing to do,

3880
02:45:23,672 --> 02:45:25,916
even though it's ahead
of its time, you know?

3881
02:45:26,019 --> 02:45:28,608
So, for me,
I totally agree with that.

3882
02:45:28,711 --> 02:45:30,058
This movie is different,
you know?

3883
02:45:30,161 --> 02:45:32,129
It's not just a slasher movie,
you know?

3884
02:45:32,232 --> 02:45:34,441
You look beautiful.

3885
02:45:34,545 --> 02:45:35,995
Nick was great, too.

3886
02:45:36,098 --> 02:45:40,240
His handsomeness was
a crucial part of the story.

3887
02:45:40,344 --> 02:45:45,073
In a movie that was consciously
going for a gay vibe,

3888
02:45:45,176 --> 02:45:47,903
which I was,
you needed some beefcake,

3889
02:45:48,007 --> 02:45:51,562
and Nick was not
at all shy about that.

3890
02:45:51,665 --> 02:45:55,014
James Van Der Beek
came in to talk to us

3891
02:45:55,117 --> 02:45:56,774
for "Bride of Chucky,"

3892
02:45:56,877 --> 02:45:58,614
and the first thing he said is,
"I don't want to do this movie."

3893
02:45:58,638 --> 02:46:01,503
And he said his agent
really made him come in for it.

3894
02:46:01,606 --> 02:46:03,954
"Thank you very much,"
and that was the end of that.

3895
02:46:06,508 --> 02:46:09,407
I wasn't a huge horror fan,
to be honest.

3896
02:46:09,511 --> 02:46:12,548
"The Exorcist" F'ed me up so bad
as a child.

3897
02:46:12,652 --> 02:46:14,412
So when I got the job,
of course I went back,

3898
02:46:14,516 --> 02:46:17,277
I started looking at them
and started studying,

3899
02:46:17,381 --> 02:46:21,109
like, what it meant
to be in a horror movie.

3900
02:46:21,212 --> 02:46:23,214
He's a guy that really
wanted to learn,

3901
02:46:23,318 --> 02:46:25,389
so he always hang out on set,

3902
02:46:25,492 --> 02:46:27,874
even though he's not,
you know, his turn.

3903
02:46:27,978 --> 02:46:29,600
You know, I started
trying to research,

3904
02:46:29,703 --> 02:46:31,509
like, what does it mean when
these dolls are coming to life?

3905
02:46:31,533 --> 02:46:34,570
And there's a whole history
of dolls that come to life.

3906
02:46:34,674 --> 02:46:37,090
and stories that are about dolls
that come to life.

3907
02:46:40,300 --> 02:46:41,750
Come here!

3908
02:46:41,853 --> 02:46:45,236
I appreciate that enthusiasm
and the passion

3909
02:46:45,340 --> 02:46:47,894
that he has for movies,
you know?

3910
02:46:47,998 --> 02:46:50,655
So I think he's
a very good young actor.

3911
02:46:50,759 --> 02:46:52,002
Jade!

3912
02:46:52,105 --> 02:46:53,831
Katherine was very young.

3913
02:46:53,934 --> 02:46:55,902
She was 19 when we made
that movie,

3914
02:46:56,006 --> 02:46:59,009
so she wasn't really
Katherine Heigl yet.

3915
02:46:59,112 --> 02:47:01,356
Katie was a pro, very serious.

3916
02:47:01,459 --> 02:47:04,152
She had more experience
than I had doing a big picture.

3917
02:47:04,255 --> 02:47:05,946
So I learned a lot from her.

3918
02:47:06,050 --> 02:47:07,431
Working with Katie was great.

3919
02:47:07,534 --> 02:47:09,191
I mean, she was really
a serious actress

3920
02:47:09,295 --> 02:47:10,917
and she remains
a serious actress,

3921
02:47:11,021 --> 02:47:13,437
and I think that
that really sells it.

3922
02:47:13,540 --> 02:47:15,818
It was very obvious
that this is someone

3923
02:47:15,922 --> 02:47:17,579
who was gonna go far.

3924
02:47:20,375 --> 02:47:24,275
The "Voodoo for Dummies"
was a way for me

3925
02:47:24,379 --> 02:47:29,004
to incorporate
the voodoo element

3926
02:47:29,108 --> 02:47:31,351
without hanging
my head in shame.

3927
02:47:31,455 --> 02:47:34,251
Just corny and dumb.
Let's embrace that.

3928
02:47:34,354 --> 02:47:36,184
I mean, just seeing that book.

3929
02:47:36,287 --> 02:47:38,151
And, also, just hearing
Jennifer Tilly

3930
02:47:38,255 --> 02:47:40,671
intone that nonsense.

3931
02:47:40,774 --> 02:47:44,813
Ade due Damballa!
Awake!

3932
02:47:44,916 --> 02:47:48,817
I'm like, "It's a fucking movie
about a supernatural doll!"

3933
02:47:50,094 --> 02:47:51,164
Hey, Tiffany!

3934
02:47:51,268 --> 02:47:52,786
What are you doing here?

3935
02:47:52,890 --> 02:47:55,824
An important element of
the movie was Alexis Arquette.

3936
02:47:55,927 --> 02:47:59,172
I mean, we definitely made
a deliberate choice to,

3937
02:47:59,276 --> 02:48:02,693
whenever possible,
cast gay icons.

3938
02:48:02,796 --> 02:48:06,973
You know, Jennifer, of course,
Alexis, even John Ritter,

3939
02:48:07,077 --> 02:48:09,355
because of his role
in "Three's Company,"

3940
02:48:09,458 --> 02:48:12,496
he had a connection
to gay culture.

3941
02:48:12,599 --> 02:48:16,120
I loved Alexis so much,
and I had a giant crush on him,

3942
02:48:16,224 --> 02:48:18,088
and he had, like,
this kind of secret life.

3943
02:48:18,191 --> 02:48:19,755
Like, I always wanted
to hang out with him

3944
02:48:19,779 --> 02:48:21,274
because I really felt like
he was the coolest guy.

3945
02:48:21,298 --> 02:48:22,644
He was always nabbing the wigs

3946
02:48:22,747 --> 02:48:24,387
from the wig department
because, you know,

3947
02:48:24,473 --> 02:48:26,268
he would dress up
like a drag queen.

3948
02:48:26,372 --> 02:48:28,167
His alter ego
was Eva Destruction.

3949
02:48:28,270 --> 02:48:29,823
Thank you so much.

3950
02:48:29,927 --> 02:48:34,069
We wanted this character
to be a little interesting

3951
02:48:34,173 --> 02:48:36,347
in a gender-bending way.

3952
02:48:36,451 --> 02:48:38,867
I didn't know
that she was trans.

3953
02:48:38,970 --> 02:48:40,290
We were going to dinner
one night,

3954
02:48:40,351 --> 02:48:41,973
and I'm waiting,
and the elevator opens,

3955
02:48:42,077 --> 02:48:44,321
and this very pretty woman
steps out,

3956
02:48:44,424 --> 02:48:46,150
and Don says hello,

3957
02:48:46,254 --> 02:48:48,359
and then realized
that it was Alexis.

3958
02:48:48,463 --> 02:48:51,362
One of the highlights,
I would say,

3959
02:48:51,466 --> 02:48:54,193
of my career was working
with Alexis Arquette.

3960
02:48:54,296 --> 02:48:55,918
It was really exciting.

3961
02:48:56,022 --> 02:49:00,302
And it was almost like a stamp
of the queer world's approval.

3962
02:49:00,406 --> 02:49:03,719
It just gave us
kind of bona fides, in a way.

3963
02:49:03,823 --> 02:49:06,136
He had to lay on the floor
for like eight hours

3964
02:49:06,239 --> 02:49:08,586
to get all this tattoos on
like every few days.

3965
02:49:08,690 --> 02:49:10,968
There were scenes where
he's chained up to the bed.

3966
02:49:11,071 --> 02:49:13,073
Never complained.
Just funny.

3967
02:49:13,177 --> 02:49:14,868
We loved him so much.

3968
02:49:16,732 --> 02:49:19,425
We had to build a rig where
Chucky could spin around on him.

3969
02:49:19,528 --> 02:49:22,013
So it was like this little
bracket that went...

3970
02:49:22,117 --> 02:49:23,670
that he slid into, you know,

3971
02:49:23,774 --> 02:49:25,500
and then we had to pull his
lip ring out.

3972
02:49:25,603 --> 02:49:27,122
Ohh!

3973
02:49:27,226 --> 02:49:29,020
And I had just quit
being in a band

3974
02:49:29,124 --> 02:49:31,368
that was touring
for about eight years.

3975
02:49:31,471 --> 02:49:32,471
Gotcha.

3976
02:49:32,507 --> 02:49:33,991
My first four auditions,

3977
02:49:34,094 --> 02:49:35,441
I booked three of the gigs,

3978
02:49:35,544 --> 02:49:37,236
and the first one
was "Bride of Chucky."

3979
02:49:37,339 --> 02:49:38,937
Michael Louis Johnson
was so good as Needle Nose,

3980
02:49:38,961 --> 02:49:41,826
that kind of conniving...

3981
02:49:41,930 --> 02:49:44,174
"Yeah, too bad.
The money. But the money."

3982
02:49:44,277 --> 02:49:46,659
I knew the tone
that they were going for.

3983
02:49:46,762 --> 02:49:49,386
I'm not some sympathetic
character in a horror movie

3984
02:49:49,489 --> 02:49:50,732
who's being killed.

3985
02:49:50,835 --> 02:49:52,596
- Can I wait in the car, please?
- No.

3986
02:49:52,699 --> 02:49:54,494
It's like,
"No, I'm the asshole cop."

3987
02:49:54,598 --> 02:49:56,876
And I made more money
in 14 days of work

3988
02:49:56,979 --> 02:49:58,464
than I did doing 250 shows

3989
02:49:58,567 --> 02:50:01,156
on the road the year
before as a musician.

3990
02:50:01,260 --> 02:50:02,754
He's actually
a very accomplished musician,

3991
02:50:02,778 --> 02:50:04,377
and he played the trumpet
at my... at my wedding.

3992
02:50:07,645 --> 02:50:08,957
Let me die.

3993
02:50:14,204 --> 02:50:15,550
She's alive.

3994
02:50:15,653 --> 02:50:16,723
Alive!

3995
02:50:16,827 --> 02:50:18,484
Just seemed right
for this character

3996
02:50:18,587 --> 02:50:20,934
and this actress
to meet her death

3997
02:50:21,038 --> 02:50:23,213
in a luxuriant bubble bath.

3998
02:50:23,316 --> 02:50:25,318
John had written that
in his first script.

3999
02:50:25,422 --> 02:50:27,631
I raided past scripts.

4000
02:50:27,734 --> 02:50:30,047
That was Don's idea.
I mean, in the beginning,

4001
02:50:30,150 --> 02:50:32,014
always use
"Bride of Frankenstein,"

4002
02:50:32,118 --> 02:50:33,844
you know, as this homage.

4003
02:50:37,261 --> 02:50:38,918
Even though you're just acting,

4004
02:50:39,021 --> 02:50:42,370
it's always sort of traumatic
to have the life go out of you.

4005
02:50:42,473 --> 02:50:44,958
I don't know why.
It's just sad.

4006
02:50:45,062 --> 02:50:48,134
And, um, they wanted me
to go under the water

4007
02:50:48,238 --> 02:50:49,584
with my eyes open.

4008
02:50:49,687 --> 02:50:51,310
And, of course,
everybody loved me

4009
02:50:51,413 --> 02:50:54,105
because I would do whatever.
I was like, "Okay.

4010
02:50:54,209 --> 02:50:55,531
You know, there's soap
in that water,

4011
02:50:55,555 --> 02:50:57,592
but I'll try.
I'll try to do it."

4012
02:50:57,695 --> 02:51:00,457
What a great attitude Jennifer
had of just being dunked

4013
02:51:00,560 --> 02:51:05,358
constantly in this water
as she's being electrocuted.

4014
02:51:05,462 --> 02:51:06,911
And her face, and the way

4015
02:51:07,015 --> 02:51:09,328
that that is cut together
with back and forth

4016
02:51:09,431 --> 02:51:11,847
between the
"Bride of Frankenstein."

4017
02:51:11,951 --> 02:51:13,401
Then the bubbles going up,

4018
02:51:13,504 --> 02:51:15,851
and the little Chucky doll
loves the bubbles.

4019
02:51:15,955 --> 02:51:19,269
And it's just a very
beautiful, beautiful sequence.

4020
02:51:19,372 --> 02:51:20,856
I just consider that genius.

4021
02:51:20,960 --> 02:51:23,100
That's really how
you're supposed to do it.

4022
02:51:23,203 --> 02:51:24,722
It's truly one of my
favorite moments

4023
02:51:24,826 --> 02:51:27,760
in any film that I've ever,
ever been a part of.

4024
02:51:27,863 --> 02:51:29,209
You son of a bitch!

4025
02:51:29,313 --> 02:51:32,040
What have you done to me?

4026
02:51:32,143 --> 02:51:35,319
A key moment in the movie.
She becomes a doll.

4027
02:51:35,423 --> 02:51:38,357
I just look at it
as a fantasy love story.

4028
02:51:38,460 --> 02:51:40,220
A tragedy love story.

4029
02:51:40,324 --> 02:51:43,189
There was the bride, and then
she gets the whole makeover

4030
02:51:43,293 --> 02:51:45,467
and goes from a brunette
to a blond.

4031
02:51:45,571 --> 02:51:48,228
Barbie, eat your heart out.

4032
02:51:48,332 --> 02:51:52,232
It's actually a very technical,
demanding shoot.

4033
02:51:52,336 --> 02:51:54,994
Every character
has at least 10 puppeteers.

4034
02:51:55,097 --> 02:51:56,478
It's a very complicated thing.

4035
02:51:56,582 --> 02:51:58,502
He would always ask me,
"What would you do here?

4036
02:51:58,584 --> 02:51:59,999
What should I do here?"
you know?

4037
02:52:00,102 --> 02:52:01,459
And we worked together,
and it was really nice

4038
02:52:01,483 --> 02:52:02,933
to have that... that trust.

4039
02:52:03,036 --> 02:52:06,971
And I said, "Listen, watch me.
Watch my movement,

4040
02:52:07,075 --> 02:52:08,594
watch my facial.

4041
02:52:08,697 --> 02:52:10,837
See my eyebrows, see my teeth,
all that.

4042
02:52:10,941 --> 02:52:12,736
Try to imitate that."

4043
02:52:12,839 --> 02:52:14,610
So they say, "Okay. Is that...
that's what you want?

4044
02:52:14,634 --> 02:52:16,256
We'll give you that."

4045
02:52:16,360 --> 02:52:18,234
Look, there were moments.
There were difficult moments.

4046
02:52:18,258 --> 02:52:20,364
There's no doubt,
with animatronics

4047
02:52:20,468 --> 02:52:22,401
and all those people
and an A.D. saying,

4048
02:52:22,504 --> 02:52:24,126
"Move, move, move!"

4049
02:52:24,230 --> 02:52:25,749
But it really worked.

4050
02:52:25,852 --> 02:52:28,407
The heart of Damballa.
What's that?

4051
02:52:28,510 --> 02:52:30,650
You know, it was
a new element in the mythology.

4052
02:52:30,754 --> 02:52:35,034
And it's like, "Wait.
We didn't need this before. Eh."

4053
02:52:35,137 --> 02:52:36,932
It was buried withmy corpse.

4054
02:52:37,036 --> 02:52:38,589
You know,
there needed to be a reason

4055
02:52:38,693 --> 02:52:40,936
for them to get from A to B.

4056
02:52:41,040 --> 02:52:43,629
Initially, it was a character,
actually.

4057
02:52:43,732 --> 02:52:47,702
It was like another...
a voodoo practitioner.

4058
02:52:47,805 --> 02:52:51,430
But somewhere along the way,
we decided to make it an object.

4059
02:52:51,533 --> 02:52:53,742
Who the hell is this bozo?

4060
02:52:53,846 --> 02:52:54,709
What's he doing?

4061
02:52:54,812 --> 02:52:56,366
John Ritter was fantastic.

4062
02:52:56,469 --> 02:52:57,860
David Kirschner brought him
and his wife

4063
02:52:57,884 --> 02:52:59,472
by my shop to see the puppet.

4064
02:52:59,576 --> 02:53:01,277
They were very interested
in all that stuff.

4065
02:53:01,301 --> 02:53:03,787
He said, "Give me a good
death," which I think we did.

4066
02:53:03,890 --> 02:53:06,306
I think he has
one of the best ones.

4067
02:53:06,410 --> 02:53:07,618
Now!

4068
02:53:07,722 --> 02:53:09,551
Aah!

4069
02:53:09,655 --> 02:53:12,105
The nails coming out
of the glove compartment box

4070
02:53:12,209 --> 02:53:13,728
I thought was super creative.

4071
02:53:13,831 --> 02:53:16,455
I remember when...
when I first read the script,

4072
02:53:16,558 --> 02:53:17,939
I talked to Don.

4073
02:53:18,042 --> 02:53:20,010
I said, "Wow,
that reminds me of that movie,

4074
02:53:20,113 --> 02:53:21,114
the pin head thing."

4075
02:53:21,218 --> 02:53:24,842
We'll tear your soul apart.

4076
02:53:24,946 --> 02:53:27,914
He let us put rubber nails
all in his face.

4077
02:53:28,018 --> 02:53:29,675
It took forever.

4078
02:53:29,778 --> 02:53:33,092
Never complained.
Was so, so patient.

4079
02:53:33,195 --> 02:53:34,714
I remember, he asked me,

4080
02:53:34,818 --> 02:53:36,820
"Why do you want a comedian
in a slasher movie?"

4081
02:53:36,923 --> 02:53:39,305
I said, "Well, it's different,
it's different.

4082
02:53:39,409 --> 02:53:42,032
It will make it different,
and you will bring something

4083
02:53:42,135 --> 02:53:43,378
different, you know?

4084
02:53:43,482 --> 02:53:45,035
So when you die, people laugh."

4085
02:53:49,798 --> 02:53:54,562
I am not exaggerating.
I think I sat in my trailer,

4086
02:53:54,665 --> 02:53:59,429
I swear to God, 18 hours,
waiting for that shot.

4087
02:53:59,532 --> 02:54:00,682
Smoking a joint, yes,
it's difficult,

4088
02:54:00,706 --> 02:54:02,017
very time-consuming,

4089
02:54:02,121 --> 02:54:04,399
and scratching your head
all the time, you know,

4090
02:54:04,503 --> 02:54:06,677
"How do you make it look right?"

4091
02:54:06,781 --> 02:54:10,612
It was a huge, huge undertaking
for the animatronic team,

4092
02:54:10,716 --> 02:54:12,821
but they got it.
It was funny. Funny moment.

4093
02:54:12,925 --> 02:54:15,410
Norton?

4094
02:54:15,514 --> 02:54:16,794
Are you still there?

4095
02:54:18,896 --> 02:54:21,451
When the camera is gonna
zoom in on me for the scream

4096
02:54:21,554 --> 02:54:23,694
right before the explosion,
I was like,

4097
02:54:23,798 --> 02:54:26,421
"Yeah, it's total
Hitchcock, right?"

4098
02:54:26,525 --> 02:54:27,802
Aah!

4099
02:54:29,873 --> 02:54:31,495
That's it.
You know, one shot.

4100
02:54:31,599 --> 02:54:33,911
Then we have maybe six cameras
set up to do that.

4101
02:54:34,015 --> 02:54:36,258
It took all night to get.
That was one of the most...

4102
02:54:36,362 --> 02:54:37,753
probably the most
complicated shots.

4103
02:54:37,777 --> 02:54:40,366
Excuse me.
The door was open.

4104
02:54:40,470 --> 02:54:42,161
I didn't realize
there was anybody in here.

4105
02:54:42,264 --> 02:54:45,198
Margot Kidder, my aunt,
who I refer to as Margie,

4106
02:54:45,302 --> 02:54:48,236
or Aunt Margie, such
an inspiration all the time

4107
02:54:48,339 --> 02:54:50,721
with her horror genre life.

4108
02:54:50,825 --> 02:54:52,378
I would like to be able

4109
02:54:52,482 --> 02:54:54,042
to follow in her footsteps
a little bit.

4110
02:54:55,830 --> 02:54:58,211
Well...
who's this?

4111
02:54:58,315 --> 02:54:59,810
Well, my agent called me
and said, "Sweetie,

4112
02:54:59,834 --> 02:55:01,121
do you want to go in
for something

4113
02:55:01,145 --> 02:55:03,389
called "Bride of Chucky"?

4114
02:55:03,493 --> 02:55:07,013
I just laughed and said, "I have
to have that on my résumé."

4115
02:55:07,117 --> 02:55:09,602
James and I met in the
audition, and we just clicked.

4116
02:55:09,706 --> 02:55:12,916
'Cause I felt like I had just
instantly made a new pal

4117
02:55:13,019 --> 02:55:15,366
in Janet Kidder.
We've been friends ever since.

4118
02:55:15,470 --> 02:55:17,714
That honeymoon kill scene,
I said,

4119
02:55:17,817 --> 02:55:22,201
"What if the mirror comes down,
right, like a rainfall?

4120
02:55:22,304 --> 02:55:23,547
And nowhere you can run."

4121
02:55:28,725 --> 02:55:30,623
It was, I think,
even more impressive

4122
02:55:30,727 --> 02:55:32,452
than I had imagined in my head.

4123
02:55:32,556 --> 02:55:33,764
It was also important to us

4124
02:55:33,868 --> 02:55:36,387
that it be beautiful
in a weird way,

4125
02:55:36,491 --> 02:55:39,149
you know, that it just
visually cool and interesting.

4126
02:55:39,252 --> 02:55:42,497
Possibly one of my best death
scenes, and I've had a few.

4127
02:55:42,601 --> 02:55:43,809
That was a great murder.

4128
02:55:43,912 --> 02:55:45,983
And it was fireworks,
you know?

4129
02:55:46,087 --> 02:55:47,744
The hours and hours
that Janet and I

4130
02:55:47,847 --> 02:55:49,400
had to spend in makeup,

4131
02:55:49,504 --> 02:55:51,679
getting all those shards
of mirror

4132
02:55:51,782 --> 02:55:53,577
put all over our arms and legs.

4133
02:55:53,681 --> 02:55:57,754
I had to lie on a makeup
table for 5 or 6 hours,

4134
02:55:57,857 --> 02:56:00,066
and then I couldn't go
to the bathroom without help

4135
02:56:00,170 --> 02:56:01,827
because I had all these...
you know,

4136
02:56:01,930 --> 02:56:05,175
these huge, uh, plastic shards
all over my body.

4137
02:56:05,278 --> 02:56:06,625
So that was quite a process.

4138
02:56:06,728 --> 02:56:08,488
I just think of the romance
of it

4139
02:56:08,592 --> 02:56:10,732
and, you know,
the beautiful cinematography

4140
02:56:10,836 --> 02:56:13,321
and the lilting rhythm that

4141
02:56:13,424 --> 02:56:15,461
Tiffany and Chucky
have together.

4142
02:56:15,565 --> 02:56:19,741
He's just, like,
beside himself with awe of

4143
02:56:19,845 --> 02:56:22,917
how beautifully
she orchestrated that.

4144
02:56:23,020 --> 02:56:24,159
I love you.

4145
02:56:24,263 --> 02:56:25,644
Which is all about romance.

4146
02:56:25,747 --> 02:56:27,784
That's all about new romance.

4147
02:56:27,887 --> 02:56:30,476
That was so gratifying
when I read in the script

4148
02:56:30,580 --> 02:56:33,617
that Chucky and Tiffany
were gonna do it,

4149
02:56:33,721 --> 02:56:36,275
because they're two dolls
doing it.

4150
02:56:36,378 --> 02:56:37,897
It's just so out there.

4151
02:56:38,001 --> 02:56:40,348
I think that some of my energy
maybe wore off on them.

4152
02:56:40,451 --> 02:56:43,662
You know, he wanted the ring
to go onto her ring finger,

4153
02:56:43,765 --> 02:56:45,467
and we just couldn't get it on.
It wasn't staying.

4154
02:56:45,491 --> 02:56:47,193
It was spinning, falling off.
We're shooting and shooting

4155
02:56:47,217 --> 02:56:50,047
and said, "You know,
it'll fit the thumb."

4156
02:56:50,151 --> 02:56:54,051
Part of the fun
was to utilize the clichés

4157
02:56:54,155 --> 02:56:56,951
of the Hollywood
romantic-comedy sex scene.

4158
02:56:57,054 --> 02:56:58,774
We talked a lot
about making naked puppets,

4159
02:56:58,849 --> 02:57:01,093
and it's super hard
to get everything built

4160
02:57:01,196 --> 02:57:04,268
the way you want
and hide it all within the skin.

4161
02:57:04,372 --> 02:57:05,994
The camera dips down,

4162
02:57:06,098 --> 02:57:10,585
and we see just a hint
of buttcrack in Tiffany.

4163
02:57:10,689 --> 02:57:12,380
Chucky is French kissing me,

4164
02:57:12,483 --> 02:57:14,565
and it was so funny because
his tongue goes out like this

4165
02:57:14,589 --> 02:57:17,247
and starts rotating around
in my mouth.

4166
02:57:17,350 --> 02:57:21,285
So when I was doing the looping,
I made a sound like, "Ahh!"

4167
02:57:21,389 --> 02:57:22,597
like a gargling sound.

4168
02:57:22,701 --> 02:57:23,978
Ahh!

4169
02:57:24,081 --> 02:57:27,050
My wife loves that scene.

4170
02:57:27,153 --> 02:57:30,018
I mean, she howls with laughter
at that scene.

4171
02:57:30,122 --> 02:57:33,125
When we were doing the doll
sex scene, we were ad-libbing.

4172
02:57:33,228 --> 02:57:36,680
I came up with this idea where
I go... he's about to enter me,

4173
02:57:36,784 --> 02:57:38,855
and she hasn't been a doll
for very long.

4174
02:57:38,958 --> 02:57:42,203
And I go, "Wait, Chucky,
do you have a rubber?"

4175
02:57:42,306 --> 02:57:43,411
- Tiff!
- What?

4176
02:57:43,514 --> 02:57:44,412
Look at me!

4177
02:57:44,515 --> 02:57:45,516
"I'm all rubber."

4178
02:57:45,620 --> 02:57:46,897
"I thought you were plastic."

4179
02:57:47,001 --> 02:57:48,727
That was them.
They improvised that.

4180
02:57:48,830 --> 02:57:50,280
When we previewed that,

4181
02:57:50,383 --> 02:57:54,664
the audience was laughing
so hard and so loud

4182
02:57:54,767 --> 02:57:57,045
that you couldn't even hear
the next lines.

4183
02:57:57,149 --> 02:57:59,634
It's just so out there.
It's so funny.

4184
02:57:59,738 --> 02:58:00,911
This is a first.

4185
02:58:01,015 --> 02:58:02,326
I just thought
it was wonderful.

4186
02:58:02,430 --> 02:58:04,639
So two puppets having sex

4187
02:58:04,743 --> 02:58:07,815
means 14 puppeteers
pretending to have sex.

4188
02:58:07,918 --> 02:58:11,404
So, uh, I don't know,
vinyl orgy... what is that like?

4189
02:58:11,508 --> 02:58:12,958
How are we gonna have them...

4190
02:58:13,061 --> 02:58:15,650
For one, you know,
they're skin to about here,

4191
02:58:15,754 --> 02:58:17,410
and then they turn
into mechanical parts.

4192
02:58:17,514 --> 02:58:18,826
So I'm gonna just use shadow

4193
02:58:18,929 --> 02:58:20,931
because they have
a fireplace going,

4194
02:58:21,035 --> 02:58:24,176
and who wants to see
two dolls having sex?

4195
02:58:24,279 --> 02:58:25,660
It was hilarious.

4196
02:58:25,764 --> 02:58:27,386
And that was almost
a problem shooting,

4197
02:58:27,489 --> 02:58:28,649
we were all laughing so hard.

4198
02:58:28,698 --> 02:58:30,734
Oh, you're using shadow!

4199
02:58:30,838 --> 02:58:32,943
You're not actually seeing it!

4200
02:58:33,047 --> 02:58:34,647
I said, "Of course!
You think I'm crazy?"

4201
02:58:36,153 --> 02:58:38,086
And I've concluded
that what we have here

4202
02:58:38,190 --> 02:58:41,020
is a terrible misunderstanding.

4203
02:58:41,124 --> 02:58:43,540
Then I got to have this arc
where I get to then

4204
02:58:43,643 --> 02:58:45,784
start to suspect them, as well.

4205
02:58:45,887 --> 02:58:49,373
And then the Mack truck
comes out of nowhere, and...

4206
02:58:51,721 --> 02:58:54,585
I don't know what they used,
but, man, whatever it was,

4207
02:58:54,689 --> 02:58:58,037
it exploded
in a million pieces.

4208
02:58:58,141 --> 02:59:01,869
His death was
so shocking even to us.

4209
02:59:01,972 --> 02:59:03,180
People have mentioned it
to me

4210
02:59:03,284 --> 02:59:04,941
sometimes over the years
about, like,

4211
02:59:05,044 --> 02:59:06,324
"Did you ever have
any misgivings

4212
02:59:06,356 --> 02:59:08,289
about killing
the gay character?"

4213
02:59:08,392 --> 02:59:11,430
My feeling was,
cute, straight teenagers

4214
02:59:11,533 --> 02:59:13,018
have been
getting slaughtered

4215
02:59:13,121 --> 02:59:16,159
in slasher movies
for years now.

4216
02:59:16,262 --> 02:59:19,576
Why can't that happen
to a cute gay boy?"

4217
02:59:19,679 --> 02:59:20,957
Chucky doesn't even kill me.

4218
02:59:21,060 --> 02:59:22,268
Chucky inadvertently kills me.

4219
02:59:22,372 --> 02:59:24,201
That works, too.

4220
02:59:24,305 --> 02:59:27,791
And that was a relatively
early use of CGI

4221
02:59:27,895 --> 02:59:29,897
that, you know,
the body exploding.

4222
02:59:30,000 --> 02:59:32,831
I mean, there was
some practical stuff,

4223
02:59:32,934 --> 02:59:35,316
but we augmented it with CGI.

4224
02:59:35,419 --> 02:59:36,973
- Tiff?
- Mm-hmm?

4225
02:59:37,076 --> 02:59:40,183
Those, uh, dishes aren't gonna
wash themselves, you know.

4226
02:59:40,286 --> 02:59:42,772
Because horror
is now self-referential,

4227
02:59:42,875 --> 02:59:45,084
that's a perfect thing
to have happen.

4228
02:59:45,188 --> 02:59:48,916
Horror becomes about,
you know, domestic chores.

4229
02:59:49,019 --> 02:59:51,642
When Tiffany is screaming
about Martha Stewart

4230
02:59:51,746 --> 02:59:53,679
and throwing
plates of cookies,

4231
02:59:53,783 --> 02:59:55,405
Martha Stewart's life
is so perfect

4232
02:59:55,508 --> 02:59:58,788
and so clean and no problems
and no bodies lying around,

4233
02:59:58,891 --> 03:00:02,101
and no husband that comes home
and insults her

4234
03:00:02,205 --> 03:00:04,794
and, you know, tries
to kill her and everything.

4235
03:00:04,897 --> 03:00:06,796
Chucky gets confronted
with that.

4236
03:00:06,899 --> 03:00:08,832
It was "The Honeymooners"
on steroids.

4237
03:00:08,936 --> 03:00:10,385
Bang, zoom!

4238
03:00:10,489 --> 03:00:13,078
I see the love story
in "Bride of Chucky,"

4239
03:00:13,181 --> 03:00:14,942
and I think that
that's what anchors it,

4240
03:00:15,045 --> 03:00:17,703
and it's that sort of
weirdly doomed love story

4241
03:00:17,807 --> 03:00:19,739
between Chucky and Tiffany.

4242
03:00:21,224 --> 03:00:23,053
When Tiffany gets burned
in the oven,

4243
03:00:23,157 --> 03:00:25,366
that was an homage
to "Trilogy of Terror,"

4244
03:00:25,469 --> 03:00:26,988
because we talked about
that a lot.

4245
03:00:27,092 --> 03:00:28,403
Don was a big fan of that.

4246
03:00:28,507 --> 03:00:30,002
Everyone's always asking,
"How do we...

4247
03:00:30,026 --> 03:00:31,372
How can we do it differently?

4248
03:00:31,475 --> 03:00:33,305
What can we do
that we haven't done before?"

4249
03:00:33,408 --> 03:00:36,998
Why can't I ever get it on
with the real good guys?

4250
03:00:37,102 --> 03:00:39,138
The graveyard scene
and the final love thing

4251
03:00:39,242 --> 03:00:41,244
between them was
my favorite moment of the film.

4252
03:00:41,347 --> 03:00:43,591
The graveyard scene
was supposed to happen

4253
03:00:43,694 --> 03:00:45,075
in a real graveyard.

4254
03:00:45,179 --> 03:00:46,732
I go to the location.

4255
03:00:46,836 --> 03:00:49,321
Ronny and Peter
look at each other,

4256
03:00:49,424 --> 03:00:53,118
and they walk away
from the group a little bit,

4257
03:00:53,221 --> 03:00:55,120
and they start talking
to each other,

4258
03:00:55,223 --> 03:00:59,227
and then Ronny comes back,
and he says,

4259
03:00:59,331 --> 03:01:01,678
"But there are ancestors here."

4260
03:01:01,781 --> 03:01:03,069
And I remember
Universal Pictures

4261
03:01:03,093 --> 03:01:05,924
scrambling to change
the location

4262
03:01:06,027 --> 03:01:07,960
and actually create a graveyard.

4263
03:01:08,064 --> 03:01:11,170
We built in the studio

4264
03:01:11,274 --> 03:01:14,933
all the stuff around
where the grave is.

4265
03:01:15,036 --> 03:01:17,211
If you look at it on camera,
it looks fantastic.

4266
03:01:17,314 --> 03:01:21,077
But, I mean, it's all styrofoam
and fans and fake dirt

4267
03:01:21,180 --> 03:01:22,561
and smelled like mildew.

4268
03:01:22,664 --> 03:01:24,597
It was Ronny's idea
to put the plastic...

4269
03:01:24,701 --> 03:01:27,531
There was like all these, like,
plastic around,

4270
03:01:27,635 --> 03:01:29,395
like, blowing in the wind.

4271
03:01:29,499 --> 03:01:31,018
All these black rags...

4272
03:01:31,121 --> 03:01:33,779
this is very Hong Kong film...
hanging from the trees.

4273
03:01:33,883 --> 03:01:37,300
Everything's blowing in the
trees and they're in silhouette.

4274
03:01:37,403 --> 03:01:40,061
It needed to be epic
in a kind of...

4275
03:01:40,165 --> 03:01:41,994
in a stylized way.

4276
03:01:42,098 --> 03:01:45,791
It feels like
Technicolor Hollywood.

4277
03:01:45,895 --> 03:01:46,965
I love you, Chucky.

4278
03:01:47,068 --> 03:01:48,967
I'm always amazed

4279
03:01:49,070 --> 03:01:50,796
at Jennifer's line readings.

4280
03:01:50,900 --> 03:01:52,694
I love that she makes
the word "Chucky"

4281
03:01:52,798 --> 03:01:54,834
a seven-syllable word.

4282
03:01:54,938 --> 03:01:56,698
"Chuck-y-y-y-y."

4283
03:01:56,802 --> 03:01:58,183
I'll see you in hell.

4284
03:01:58,286 --> 03:01:59,505
I think she was probably
supposed to say,

4285
03:01:59,529 --> 03:02:01,324
"I'll see you in hell!"
you know?

4286
03:02:01,427 --> 03:02:03,982
But, uh,
I didn't deliver it that way.

4287
03:02:04,085 --> 03:02:06,467
That's part
of Jennifer's brilliance

4288
03:02:06,570 --> 03:02:08,710
is unexpected readings.

4289
03:02:08,814 --> 03:02:10,678
I suspect occasionally

4290
03:02:10,781 --> 03:02:14,026
it might have something to do
with not knowing her lines.

4291
03:02:14,130 --> 03:02:15,441
I just got really sad.

4292
03:02:15,545 --> 03:02:17,823
Tiffany didn't want
to kill Chucky...

4293
03:02:17,927 --> 03:02:19,342
Aaah!

4294
03:02:19,445 --> 03:02:21,931
...but she felt like
they did belong dead.

4295
03:02:22,034 --> 03:02:24,347
And the awfulness had to end.

4296
03:02:24,450 --> 03:02:27,971
I think, in the end,
when she decides to kill Chucky

4297
03:02:28,075 --> 03:02:31,457
and the whole movie
suddenly comes together,

4298
03:02:31,561 --> 03:02:35,185
that everything that has been
put into it has a real meaning.

4299
03:02:35,289 --> 03:02:37,947
I think that's my favorite,
but I'm a sap.

4300
03:02:40,846 --> 03:02:42,296
Aah!
Aah!

4301
03:02:42,399 --> 03:02:43,953
When Chucky and Tiffany
are fighting

4302
03:02:44,056 --> 03:02:45,644
in the cemetery,
those are actors.

4303
03:02:45,747 --> 03:02:46,862
They step in in the costumes.

4304
03:02:46,886 --> 03:02:48,819
Like any other fight scene,

4305
03:02:48,923 --> 03:02:50,442
it's choreographed to the beat.

4306
03:02:50,545 --> 03:02:52,745
They can hit each other
with shovels and fly through...

4307
03:02:52,789 --> 03:02:54,377
you know, jump on each other.

4308
03:02:54,480 --> 03:02:56,862
If you compress it all
by being on top...

4309
03:02:56,966 --> 03:02:58,381
and I pitched that to Ronny,

4310
03:02:58,484 --> 03:02:59,979
he was like, "Great idea,"
and went with it.

4311
03:03:00,003 --> 03:03:02,074
We try every trick in the book.

4312
03:03:02,178 --> 03:03:04,939
Sometimes, I'll shoot
22 frames per second

4313
03:03:05,043 --> 03:03:08,080
rather than the normal
24 frames per second,

4314
03:03:08,184 --> 03:03:10,255
so when we project it later on,

4315
03:03:10,358 --> 03:03:12,257
it would become
a little bit faster.

4316
03:03:12,360 --> 03:03:14,200
I remember I went in
to do looping, and they said,

4317
03:03:14,224 --> 03:03:16,054
"Oh, can you make
some effort noises?"

4318
03:03:16,157 --> 03:03:18,573
I was like... Tiffany's,
"Ow. Ow."

4319
03:03:18,677 --> 03:03:20,403
"Unh! Ow! Ow!"

4320
03:03:25,063 --> 03:03:26,996
We did end up
reshooting the ending.

4321
03:03:27,099 --> 03:03:29,999
And so the actual birth
of what would become

4322
03:03:30,102 --> 03:03:33,209
"Seed of Chucky,"
that was reshot.

4323
03:03:33,312 --> 03:03:35,625
And that was to give it,
like, a big, punchier ending.

4324
03:03:35,728 --> 03:03:37,282
We did an edit of the movie

4325
03:03:37,385 --> 03:03:39,536
and then decided we were going
to do some extra things.

4326
03:03:39,560 --> 03:03:44,530
And one of those was the birth
of the Seed of Chucky

4327
03:03:44,634 --> 03:03:45,876
at the end of the movie.

4328
03:03:45,980 --> 03:03:49,087
What John created there
was the idea of,

4329
03:03:49,190 --> 03:03:51,020
"We're keeping
this thing alive."

4330
03:03:51,123 --> 03:03:53,884
I got to direct
that whole last scene.

4331
03:03:53,988 --> 03:03:56,266
Working with Lawrence Dane
was awesome

4332
03:03:56,370 --> 03:04:00,063
because I was such a fan of his,
because he was a horror icon.

4333
03:04:01,823 --> 03:04:03,170
Well, first of all,

4334
03:04:03,273 --> 03:04:04,793
we couldn't show the vagina,
obviously,

4335
03:04:04,861 --> 03:04:06,666
because it was, "What are we
gonna do with that?

4336
03:04:06,690 --> 03:04:08,220
Is she, you know,
anatomically correct?"

4337
03:04:08,244 --> 03:04:09,762
"What's going on?"

4338
03:04:09,866 --> 03:04:11,247
That's a lesson
for the kiddies.

4339
03:04:11,350 --> 03:04:14,181
Unprotected sex leads
to unplanned pregnancy.

4340
03:04:14,284 --> 03:04:15,906
'Cause Chucky's
just like every man.

4341
03:04:16,010 --> 03:04:17,470
He just tells her
what she wants to know.

4342
03:04:17,494 --> 03:04:20,221
And then suddenly, this
almost full-sized baby...

4343
03:04:20,325 --> 03:04:21,774
...comes exploding
out of her loins

4344
03:04:21,878 --> 03:04:25,088
at the end of the movie
in a very terrifying way.

4345
03:04:25,192 --> 03:04:26,790
And I don't know how that
happened, but we did it.

4346
03:04:26,814 --> 03:04:31,715
Huge choice to have a child
on camera. Very ballsy.

4347
03:04:31,819 --> 03:04:33,027
This franchise just keeps

4348
03:04:33,131 --> 03:04:35,547
pushing down the doors
for puppet-kind.

4349
03:04:35,650 --> 03:04:38,757
When the baby comes shooting
out of Tiffany's loins

4350
03:04:38,860 --> 03:04:43,002
and is screaming, Don said they
used the voice of a baby pig.

4351
03:04:43,106 --> 03:04:44,521
♪ La la la

4352
03:04:44,625 --> 03:04:47,490
As soon as you see
that demon baby thing

4353
03:04:47,593 --> 03:04:49,423
coming out of Tiffany, you know,
"Okay."

4354
03:04:49,526 --> 03:04:50,872
♪ Dum, dum dum, dum

4355
03:04:50,976 --> 03:04:52,909
♪ New movie

4356
03:04:53,012 --> 03:04:54,255
Once the film wrapped,

4357
03:04:54,359 --> 03:04:56,292
the crew ventured
into post-production,

4358
03:04:56,395 --> 03:04:59,088
where the relationship
between Chucky, Tiffany,

4359
03:04:59,191 --> 03:05:01,124
and how it would
all come together

4360
03:05:01,228 --> 03:05:04,610
wasn't exactly the honeymoon
anyone had planned.

4361
03:05:04,714 --> 03:05:06,750
Ronny and David Wu...

4362
03:05:06,854 --> 03:05:09,546
you know, David had been
his Hong Kong editor.

4363
03:05:09,650 --> 03:05:13,585
Probably had two days or
something to deliver their cut.

4364
03:05:13,688 --> 03:05:16,415
It just wasn't cut the way
Don and I specifically wanted.

4365
03:05:16,519 --> 03:05:19,142
He and Don were looking
for somebody to come in

4366
03:05:19,246 --> 03:05:22,249
and kind of help out on
"Bride of Chucky"

4367
03:05:22,352 --> 03:05:24,458
and kind of focus it
a little more.

4368
03:05:24,561 --> 03:05:27,392
We had the good fortune
to work with Randy Bricker,

4369
03:05:27,495 --> 03:05:31,258
who came in to do
another pass at the film

4370
03:05:31,361 --> 03:05:33,812
and really just made it
a lot, um, punchier.

4371
03:05:33,915 --> 03:05:37,091
Universal wasn't quite
as enthusiastic about that.

4372
03:05:37,195 --> 03:05:40,336
Marc Platt was out
and Stacey Snyder was in,

4373
03:05:40,439 --> 03:05:44,892
and Stacey was not a fan
of the project particularly.

4374
03:05:44,995 --> 03:05:48,620
I remember at our first
screening of "Bride of Chucky,"

4375
03:05:48,723 --> 03:05:50,035
that was not great,

4376
03:05:50,139 --> 03:05:52,727
Stacey Snider,
who is a superb executive

4377
03:05:52,831 --> 03:05:55,765
and really bright woman,
came up to Don,

4378
03:05:55,868 --> 03:05:59,976
very unfairly, and said,
"What were you thinking?"

4379
03:06:00,079 --> 03:06:02,358
Stacey Snider just
fundamentally

4380
03:06:02,461 --> 03:06:03,738
didn't like the movie.

4381
03:06:03,842 --> 03:06:05,982
By the way, Stacey,
you read the script

4382
03:06:06,085 --> 03:06:07,673
and gave it a greenlight,

4383
03:06:07,777 --> 03:06:10,435
but I think she wanted
Academy Awards, and who doesn't?

4384
03:06:10,538 --> 03:06:12,540
That's not what Chucky was.

4385
03:06:12,644 --> 03:06:14,932
Our next test screening was
crazy, and everybody loved it.

4386
03:06:14,956 --> 03:06:18,615
Sitting with the audience
and seeing their reaction,

4387
03:06:18,719 --> 03:06:20,893
they're enthusiastic,
for me, that is...

4388
03:06:20,997 --> 03:06:22,792
that is the best.
That is the best.

4389
03:06:22,895 --> 03:06:26,071
"Bride of Chucky" officially
tied the knot with audiences

4390
03:06:26,175 --> 03:06:28,522
on October 16, 1998.

4391
03:06:28,625 --> 03:06:31,904
While critics seemed harder
to please, fans were smitten.

4392
03:06:32,008 --> 03:06:34,390
Cast and crew believed
in their job well done,

4393
03:06:34,493 --> 03:06:38,290
and few could argue that Chucky
found not only his soul mate

4394
03:06:38,394 --> 03:06:40,119
but a true reinvention.

4395
03:06:40,223 --> 03:06:43,295
The film comes out
and does great business.

4396
03:06:43,399 --> 03:06:44,686
There was huge
audience reaction,

4397
03:06:44,710 --> 03:06:45,963
so I knew
it was going to be good.

4398
03:06:45,987 --> 03:06:47,230
Mission accomplished!

4399
03:06:47,334 --> 03:06:49,301
Oprah famously said
it sent her

4400
03:06:49,405 --> 03:06:50,785
into a downward spiral.

4401
03:06:50,889 --> 03:06:52,529
She made "Beloved,"
and she thought it was

4402
03:06:52,580 --> 03:06:54,962
going to be number one,
and then they're like,

4403
03:06:55,065 --> 03:06:56,481
"You were beat by Chucky."

4404
03:06:56,584 --> 03:06:58,379
And I remember,
Saturday morning,

4405
03:06:58,483 --> 03:07:00,726
hearing that we got beat
by something called Chucky.

4406
03:07:00,830 --> 03:07:02,452
She's like, "Chucky?
Who's Chucky?"

4407
03:07:02,556 --> 03:07:04,316
She didn't even know
who Chucky was.

4408
03:07:04,420 --> 03:07:06,007
"Bride" made like $50 million.

4409
03:07:06,111 --> 03:07:09,148
And, you know, on a budget
of like 20-something million.

4410
03:07:09,252 --> 03:07:10,460
And it was really successful.

4411
03:07:10,564 --> 03:07:12,004
Critics missed the boat
a little bit

4412
03:07:12,048 --> 03:07:13,681
on "Bride of Chucky."
You can look at reviews

4413
03:07:13,705 --> 03:07:17,226
from practically every
now-classic horror film,

4414
03:07:17,329 --> 03:07:19,193
and virtually none of them

4415
03:07:19,297 --> 03:07:20,953
were universally beloved
in their day.

4416
03:07:21,057 --> 03:07:23,473
I mean, audiences really liked
"Bride of Chucky."

4417
03:07:23,577 --> 03:07:25,441
It reversed the trend
that had been going on

4418
03:07:25,544 --> 03:07:27,236
with the previous three
at the box office.

4419
03:07:27,339 --> 03:07:29,238
By the late '90s,
you're seeing more and more

4420
03:07:29,341 --> 03:07:33,414
where film critics from major
outlets are talking about genre

4421
03:07:33,518 --> 03:07:36,417
in a way that isn't
condescending or dismissive,

4422
03:07:36,521 --> 03:07:38,281
that sort of understands
there can be

4423
03:07:38,385 --> 03:07:40,939
different levels
of self-awareness, of humor.

4424
03:07:41,042 --> 03:07:45,254
Chucky was wildly successful
before "Bride of Chucky,"

4425
03:07:45,357 --> 03:07:47,463
but "Bride of Chucky"
did come at a time

4426
03:07:47,566 --> 03:07:51,432
where it was this kind of
new-age resurgence of horror...

4427
03:07:51,536 --> 03:07:53,168
"Scream," "I Know What
You Did Last Summer."

4428
03:07:53,192 --> 03:07:56,437
I didn't realize that this film
was taking the franchise

4429
03:07:56,541 --> 03:07:58,922
in a different direction
because I hadn't seen

4430
03:07:59,026 --> 03:08:00,372
any of the other three movies,

4431
03:08:00,476 --> 03:08:02,271
So I always refer to
"Bride of Chucky"

4432
03:08:02,374 --> 03:08:03,893
as the first one.

4433
03:08:03,996 --> 03:08:07,621
As a gay guy,
one of the things that I loved

4434
03:08:07,724 --> 03:08:10,209
that Jennifer
and the character of Tiffany

4435
03:08:10,313 --> 03:08:12,419
brought to the franchise
was glamour.

4436
03:08:12,522 --> 03:08:14,386
It's the "Showgirls"
of the franchise.

4437
03:08:14,490 --> 03:08:17,009
It's excess, it's strobe lights.

4438
03:08:17,113 --> 03:08:20,599
it's wind, it's flying,
it's... it's camp, it's goth.

4439
03:08:20,703 --> 03:08:22,981
I mean, it's Jennifer Tilly.

4440
03:08:23,084 --> 03:08:24,638
It is perfection.

4441
03:08:24,741 --> 03:08:27,882
The presence of that movie
went on for a long time.

4442
03:08:27,986 --> 03:08:30,678
One of the proudest
achievements I have is...

4443
03:08:30,782 --> 03:08:32,956
is working on
the Chucky franchise.

4444
03:08:33,060 --> 03:08:36,132
And, you know, "Bride"
is probably the favorite movie

4445
03:08:36,235 --> 03:08:37,685
that I've ever worked on.

4446
03:08:37,789 --> 03:08:39,653
Don was such
a generous person to me.

4447
03:08:39,756 --> 03:08:41,596
It was his idea that our credits
would be staggered,

4448
03:08:41,620 --> 03:08:42,863
like "Laverne and Shirley."

4449
03:08:42,966 --> 03:08:44,451
"Bride of Chucky"
made me a producer.

4450
03:08:44,554 --> 03:08:46,073
I owe a big thanks
to David Kirschner

4451
03:08:46,176 --> 03:08:48,524
because I got an opportunity
that changed my life.

4452
03:08:48,627 --> 03:08:51,527
I think "Bride of Chucky"
comes in as the proudest moment,

4453
03:08:51,630 --> 03:08:53,701
just being able to do
two characters at once.

4454
03:08:53,805 --> 03:08:55,230
I mean, I've never had
that challenge before.

4455
03:08:55,254 --> 03:08:56,946
Even now, to this day,
people say,

4456
03:08:57,049 --> 03:08:59,258
"Oh, my God, you worked
with the 'Bride of Chucky'?"

4457
03:08:59,362 --> 03:09:01,651
I'm like, "Yeah, I got killed
by the Bride of Chucky, man."

4458
03:09:01,675 --> 03:09:05,610
Making the "Bride of Chucky,"
for me, was pretty exhilarating,

4459
03:09:05,713 --> 03:09:08,026
and to have such a memorable,
fun role in it,

4460
03:09:08,129 --> 03:09:10,373
even if it is just, like,
the standout death.

4461
03:09:10,477 --> 03:09:12,410
Chucky and I spent time
together,

4462
03:09:12,513 --> 03:09:13,894
so that's what I'm left with.

4463
03:09:13,997 --> 03:09:17,207
Thank you to David Kirschner
and Don Mancini

4464
03:09:17,311 --> 03:09:21,384
for making me feel like
an immediate member of the team

4465
03:09:21,488 --> 03:09:23,386
from the second
I walked into the audition.

4466
03:09:23,490 --> 03:09:25,181
I am really proud
to have been part

4467
03:09:25,284 --> 03:09:26,872
of the "Bride of Chucky."

4468
03:09:26,976 --> 03:09:30,186
It is probably one of the
biggest highlights of my career.

4469
03:09:30,289 --> 03:09:31,689
It was just such
a great experience.

4470
03:09:31,774 --> 03:09:35,122
It's what moviemaking
is supposed to be.

4471
03:09:35,225 --> 03:09:37,676
I'm just honored to have had
the opportunity

4472
03:09:37,780 --> 03:09:39,782
and the good fortune
and, quite frankly,

4473
03:09:39,885 --> 03:09:43,337
the luck of being cast
and having an opportunity

4474
03:09:43,441 --> 03:09:45,857
to be a part of it.
I'm forever grateful.

4475
03:09:45,960 --> 03:09:49,861
It's a fabulous ride,
and I'm super happy to be famous

4476
03:09:49,964 --> 03:09:52,691
for being a homicidal doll.
Who would've thought?

4477
03:09:52,795 --> 03:09:55,522
I can't tell you
how much I love that movie.

4478
03:09:55,625 --> 03:09:59,215
And it's so rare for me
to like anything I'm in.

4479
03:09:59,318 --> 03:10:01,700
"Bride of Chucky" is probably

4480
03:10:01,804 --> 03:10:04,669
my favorite
production experience

4481
03:10:04,772 --> 03:10:06,533
that I've ever had
in my life.

4482
03:10:06,636 --> 03:10:07,948
It represented, ultimately,

4483
03:10:08,051 --> 03:10:10,847
a successful reinvention
of the franchise,

4484
03:10:10,951 --> 03:10:13,988
which was a bit of a gamble,
and it worked, and it paid off,

4485
03:10:14,092 --> 03:10:16,715
so that was very satisfying.

4486
03:10:16,819 --> 03:10:20,270
Working with Ronny Yu
and Peter Pau was amazing.

4487
03:10:20,374 --> 03:10:22,928
To work with filmmakers
of that class,

4488
03:10:23,032 --> 03:10:26,932
that kind of world-class stature
was really thrilling.

4489
03:10:27,036 --> 03:10:29,141
Don's script,
Ronny's direction,

4490
03:10:29,245 --> 03:10:32,386
Peter Pau, Jennifer, Alexis.

4491
03:10:32,490 --> 03:10:34,319
For our world,
it was visionary

4492
03:10:34,423 --> 03:10:36,701
and taking it
to another whole planet,

4493
03:10:36,804 --> 03:10:39,704
another whole universe
of this franchise

4494
03:10:39,807 --> 03:10:42,603
and really set the course
for this relationship

4495
03:10:42,707 --> 03:10:44,605
between Tiffany and Chucky.

4496
03:10:44,709 --> 03:10:46,987
How I felt, like,
after all these years

4497
03:10:47,090 --> 03:10:49,921
about "Bride of Chucky,"
I felt I'm so blessed.

4498
03:10:50,024 --> 03:10:53,372
I believe in my own vision,
and I trust my own instinct.

4499
03:10:53,476 --> 03:10:55,444
I think it's great, that payoff.

4500
03:10:55,547 --> 03:10:57,066
I'm not saying it's an easy job.
No.

4501
03:10:57,169 --> 03:11:00,759
Absolutely very, very
challenging, very difficult.

4502
03:11:00,863 --> 03:11:04,625
But at the end of the day,
I had a lot of fun making it.

4503
03:11:04,729 --> 03:11:08,422
And the audience think
that it's fun watching it.

4504
03:11:21,987 --> 03:11:24,990
After "Bride of Chucky"
successfully reinvented

4505
03:11:25,094 --> 03:11:28,615
and reinvigorated
the killer-doll franchise,

4506
03:11:28,718 --> 03:11:30,893
a sequel was not only in order

4507
03:11:30,996 --> 03:11:35,345
but put on the fast track
in the fall of 1998.

4508
03:11:35,449 --> 03:11:37,762
"Bride of Chucky"
was very successful,

4509
03:11:37,865 --> 03:11:40,247
so Universal actually put
"Seed of Chucky"

4510
03:11:40,350 --> 03:11:43,906
into development immediately,
and I wanted to experiment.

4511
03:11:44,009 --> 03:11:48,738
Whereas "Bride of Chucky"
was a riff on romantic comedies,

4512
03:11:48,842 --> 03:11:50,809
I wanted "Seed of Chucky"
to be a riff

4513
03:11:50,913 --> 03:11:54,986
on family melodramas,
like "Ordinary People."

4514
03:11:55,089 --> 03:11:57,851
"Ordinary People,"
I think, is...

4515
03:11:57,954 --> 03:11:59,473
Yeah, maybe "The Godfather."

4516
03:11:59,577 --> 03:12:00,819
I think I remember Don and I

4517
03:12:00,923 --> 03:12:02,476
talking about
"Kramer vs. Kramer."

4518
03:12:02,580 --> 03:12:04,547
I mean, the references
are wide and varied,

4519
03:12:04,651 --> 03:12:07,481
But, also, there's this whole
John Waters strain

4520
03:12:07,585 --> 03:12:09,552
that I wanted
to put in the movie.

4521
03:12:09,656 --> 03:12:11,658
We were all very aware
that it was a real swing.

4522
03:12:11,761 --> 03:12:13,256
You know, the fact
that Universal was doing it,

4523
03:12:13,280 --> 03:12:14,730
my hat's off to them.

4524
03:12:14,833 --> 03:12:17,698
Being a gay man in Los Angeles,
I had trans friends.

4525
03:12:17,802 --> 03:12:20,598
I saw it as an opportunity
to do something new

4526
03:12:20,701 --> 03:12:22,358
in this kind of movie.

4527
03:12:22,461 --> 03:12:26,500
It was very important to
explore Don's vision on that.

4528
03:12:26,604 --> 03:12:27,915
It was ahead of its time.

4529
03:12:28,019 --> 03:12:29,814
It was trying
to do something else.

4530
03:12:29,917 --> 03:12:31,885
I pitched it,
everybody loved the idea.

4531
03:12:31,988 --> 03:12:37,131
I went off and wrote it,
and the first response was,

4532
03:12:37,235 --> 03:12:40,859
"It's too gay, and there's
too much Jennifer Tilly."

4533
03:12:42,067 --> 03:12:43,690
And when I heard that,
I was like,

4534
03:12:43,793 --> 03:12:45,184
"How can there be
too much Jennifer Tilly?"

4535
03:12:46,555 --> 03:12:48,487
The other thing
that was really happening

4536
03:12:48,591 --> 03:12:49,972
was Columbine.

4537
03:12:50,075 --> 03:12:53,700
There was this reticence
at the studio now about

4538
03:12:53,803 --> 03:12:57,566
getting into violent material
with kids.

4539
03:12:57,669 --> 03:12:59,602
You know,
and a couple of years passed,

4540
03:12:59,706 --> 03:13:02,674
and Ronny Yu
was gonna be in town

4541
03:13:02,778 --> 03:13:04,849
for the premiere
of "Freddy vs. Jason."

4542
03:13:04,952 --> 03:13:06,713
So I called Jennifer,
and I said, like,

4543
03:13:06,816 --> 03:13:08,507
"Okay,
you got to go to this with me

4544
03:13:08,611 --> 03:13:12,581
because we have to, like, be on
the red carpet and be seen."

4545
03:13:12,684 --> 03:13:15,376
And sure enough,
"Freddy vs. Jason" made

4546
03:13:15,480 --> 03:13:18,690
30, $40 million that weekend.

4547
03:13:18,794 --> 03:13:21,900
And literally, on that Monday,
we got the call.

4548
03:13:22,004 --> 03:13:24,903
And, you know, we had the script
from several years before.

4549
03:13:25,007 --> 03:13:27,009
I thought
the script was hysterical.

4550
03:13:27,112 --> 03:13:28,503
I'd never read
anything quite like it.

4551
03:13:28,527 --> 03:13:29,874
I thought it was a...

4552
03:13:29,977 --> 03:13:31,807
I just thought it was
very, very funny.

4553
03:13:31,910 --> 03:13:34,982
I thought it would be a cool
source of comedic conflict

4554
03:13:35,086 --> 03:13:39,159
for Chucky's child
to be a pacifist.

4555
03:13:39,262 --> 03:13:40,919
The Glen/Glenda character
is informed

4556
03:13:41,023 --> 03:13:43,128
by those family melodramas.

4557
03:13:43,232 --> 03:13:46,787
He even references James Dean
at one point.

4558
03:13:46,891 --> 03:13:49,756
- You're tearing me apart!
- You're tearing me apart!

4559
03:13:49,859 --> 03:13:53,552
Trash cinema is a thing
that has value,

4560
03:13:53,656 --> 03:13:57,971
so having a character
who was a cross-dresser,

4561
03:13:58,074 --> 03:14:00,111
it just made sense to go to

4562
03:14:00,214 --> 03:14:03,045
the ultimate trash classic,
"Glen or Glenda,"

4563
03:14:03,148 --> 03:14:07,049
as a metaphor for a queer kid's

4564
03:14:07,152 --> 03:14:10,052
tense relationship
with his macho dad,

4565
03:14:10,155 --> 03:14:14,504
who expects the kid
to follow in his footsteps

4566
03:14:14,608 --> 03:14:17,473
and be a real man
and kill people.

4567
03:14:17,576 --> 03:14:19,613
That's my boy!

4568
03:14:19,717 --> 03:14:21,650
As far as the direction
of the film,

4569
03:14:21,753 --> 03:14:24,653
I had said to Don that,
after "Bride of Chucky,"

4570
03:14:24,756 --> 03:14:27,000
I was so impressed
by his contributions

4571
03:14:27,103 --> 03:14:30,175
as a producer
that I felt now he was ready.

4572
03:14:30,279 --> 03:14:31,729
I had wanted to direct.

4573
03:14:31,832 --> 03:14:33,316
That was always my goal.

4574
03:14:33,420 --> 03:14:36,043
Making that transition,
it was incredibly exciting.

4575
03:14:36,147 --> 03:14:38,252
He had had that goal
for a long time,

4576
03:14:38,356 --> 03:14:42,360
so he was ready, and I loved
being there with him.

4577
03:14:42,463 --> 03:14:46,916
It was a delight
to see him finally in control.

4578
03:14:47,020 --> 03:14:48,884
It had been his baby all along.

4579
03:14:48,987 --> 03:14:51,921
He has everything planned out
so meticulously

4580
03:14:52,025 --> 03:14:53,820
and such a strong idea

4581
03:14:53,923 --> 03:14:56,374
of what he wants
with every little thing.

4582
03:14:56,477 --> 03:14:58,410
He is without doubt
the best-prepared director

4583
03:14:58,514 --> 03:14:59,998
that I've ever worked with.

4584
03:15:00,102 --> 03:15:02,311
He storyboards, and there isn't
a frame of a film

4585
03:15:02,414 --> 03:15:06,556
that Don has not thought about
in 27 different directions.

4586
03:15:06,660 --> 03:15:11,044
"Seed of Chucky" so then
was taken in by Focus Features.

4587
03:15:11,147 --> 03:15:12,770
It was a smaller division,

4588
03:15:12,873 --> 03:15:15,013
and there was a great guy
there named David Linde.

4589
03:15:15,117 --> 03:15:17,775
David Linde said, "Let's go,
and let's make the movie."

4590
03:15:17,878 --> 03:15:20,709
We were told that Romania
would be the best place.

4591
03:15:20,812 --> 03:15:23,470
We ended up scouting Romania
pretty quickly.

4592
03:15:23,573 --> 03:15:26,956
We were up and running, looking
forward to making the movie.

4593
03:15:27,060 --> 03:15:29,718
Kevin Yagher
was very much involved,

4594
03:15:29,821 --> 03:15:31,927
but, ultimately,
the studio, Focus,

4595
03:15:32,030 --> 03:15:34,136
was not able
to make a deal with him.

4596
03:15:34,239 --> 03:15:36,863
Losing Kevin was terrifying,

4597
03:15:36,966 --> 03:15:39,589
but it was a financial decision
with the studio.

4598
03:15:39,693 --> 03:15:42,006
I started doing design,
so I, you know,

4599
03:15:42,109 --> 03:15:43,939
designed the kid
and brought back,

4600
03:15:44,042 --> 03:15:45,561
you know,
the two other characters

4601
03:15:45,664 --> 03:15:47,252
and began to work on it.

4602
03:15:47,356 --> 03:15:49,403
But just sometimes things
fall apart in negotiations.

4603
03:15:49,427 --> 03:15:50,600
Oh, dear.

4604
03:15:50,704 --> 03:15:51,992
The studio said,
"Well, you know,

4605
03:15:52,016 --> 03:15:53,258
why don't you
just move to CGI?"

4606
03:15:53,362 --> 03:15:55,847
And Don said,
"The fans will go crazy.

4607
03:15:55,951 --> 03:15:59,437
They do not want that.
They want the puppet."

4608
03:15:59,540 --> 03:16:01,542
So that was a real blow.

4609
03:16:01,646 --> 03:16:06,099
But David Kirschner had a
relationship with Tony Gardner,

4610
03:16:06,202 --> 03:16:08,032
also someone who has his own

4611
03:16:08,135 --> 03:16:10,310
amazing bona fides
in this world.

4612
03:16:10,413 --> 03:16:12,484
My relationship with
David Kirschner

4613
03:16:12,588 --> 03:16:14,521
started with "Hocus Pocus,"

4614
03:16:14,624 --> 03:16:17,662
and I recall getting calls

4615
03:16:17,766 --> 03:16:20,216
from David's office
at one point.

4616
03:16:20,320 --> 03:16:22,253
They had a project
with a talking baby in it,

4617
03:16:22,356 --> 03:16:24,945
and it was just
this gradual sort of thing

4618
03:16:25,049 --> 03:16:27,258
where, all of a sudden,
it turned into,

4619
03:16:27,361 --> 03:16:31,193
"Well, we've been having
conversations with Universal

4620
03:16:31,296 --> 03:16:35,818
about 'Seed of Chucky'
and Kevin Yagher,

4621
03:16:35,922 --> 03:16:37,786
and we don't think
it's going to happen."

4622
03:16:37,889 --> 03:16:40,823
It certainly wasn't
greed on my part.

4623
03:16:40,927 --> 03:16:43,205
They wanted me to be able
to go over to Romania

4624
03:16:43,308 --> 03:16:45,069
or whatever,
wherever they shot it,

4625
03:16:45,172 --> 03:16:47,934
and bring one puppeteer.
Me and one other person,

4626
03:16:48,037 --> 03:16:50,143
and I said, "I need to bring
a group of people

4627
03:16:50,246 --> 03:16:52,317
who can repair these things
if they break down."

4628
03:16:52,421 --> 03:16:54,492
And they just
didn't want that done.

4629
03:16:54,595 --> 03:16:58,737
I was crestfallen
because Kevin was the guy

4630
03:16:58,841 --> 03:17:00,739
who first engineered
and built Chucky

4631
03:17:00,843 --> 03:17:04,985
and has been puppeteering him
and leading the puppeteers

4632
03:17:05,089 --> 03:17:08,126
over the course of
the four movies and 10 years.

4633
03:17:08,230 --> 03:17:09,724
I don't think I necessarily
grew out of

4634
03:17:09,748 --> 03:17:11,209
doing "Child's Play,"
but you do go on

4635
03:17:11,233 --> 03:17:13,235
to do other things,
and so you kind of go,

4636
03:17:13,338 --> 03:17:14,818
"I'm kind of done with that,
you know,

4637
03:17:14,892 --> 03:17:16,100
and I'll leave it as it is.

4638
03:17:16,203 --> 03:17:17,560
You know, I'm proud
of what I did."

4639
03:17:17,584 --> 03:17:19,034
I mean, we were terrified.

4640
03:17:19,137 --> 03:17:21,174
We just didn't know
what we were going to do.

4641
03:17:21,277 --> 03:17:22,969
David Kirschner's words were,

4642
03:17:23,072 --> 03:17:26,075
"Well, if you don't do it,
someone else is going to."

4643
03:17:26,179 --> 03:17:27,939
And I was like, "Okay."

4644
03:17:28,043 --> 03:17:30,010
I met with Tony and saw,
you know,

4645
03:17:30,114 --> 03:17:32,806
the amazing things
that he's done in his career.

4646
03:17:32,910 --> 03:17:34,256
We contacted archives,

4647
03:17:34,359 --> 03:17:37,155
and they had just the saddest
two stunt dolls.

4648
03:17:37,259 --> 03:17:40,089
But there was really
nothing for us to start with.

4649
03:17:40,193 --> 03:17:42,057
He also brought in
all the puppeteers...

4650
03:17:42,160 --> 03:17:44,404
13 puppeteers per puppet.

4651
03:17:44,507 --> 03:17:47,303
I got the unlucky reward
of going to Romania.

4652
03:17:47,407 --> 03:17:49,133
for four months to be
one of the puppeteers.

4653
03:17:49,236 --> 03:17:50,859
At the time,
the only reference we had

4654
03:17:50,962 --> 03:17:54,034
was watching it on TV,
freeze framing the VHS,

4655
03:17:54,138 --> 03:17:58,728
taking photos off of the TV,
and then developing those.

4656
03:17:58,832 --> 03:18:01,766
We started from scratch,
so we rebuilt Chucky and Tiffany

4657
03:18:01,870 --> 03:18:03,423
and then created
a new Glen puppet.

4658
03:18:03,526 --> 03:18:06,840
It was important that Glen
have an androgynous look,

4659
03:18:06,944 --> 03:18:08,946
based on
where the story was going.

4660
03:18:09,049 --> 03:18:11,327
Tim Burton meets Ziggy Stardust.

4661
03:18:11,431 --> 03:18:14,952
Pointy teeth and a more
angular, narrower face.

4662
03:18:15,055 --> 03:18:18,956
Jutting high cheekbones
and giant dark eyes

4663
03:18:19,059 --> 03:18:21,061
that look like death.

4664
03:18:21,165 --> 03:18:22,625
We went through a bunch
of iterations,

4665
03:18:22,649 --> 03:18:24,340
and everybody
had a lot to say about it.

4666
03:18:24,444 --> 03:18:26,239
But we went for it.
We had three months

4667
03:18:26,342 --> 03:18:29,449
to build three characters
and do duplicates of them,

4668
03:18:29,552 --> 03:18:32,901
so really six puppets,
and throw it all in a box

4669
03:18:33,004 --> 03:18:36,318
and fly off to Romania
and figure it out there.

4670
03:18:36,421 --> 03:18:38,907
As the film
continued gestating,

4671
03:18:39,010 --> 03:18:41,357
everyone's attention
turned to casting.

4672
03:18:41,461 --> 03:18:45,327
That meant the surprising return
of Chucky's one true love,

4673
03:18:45,430 --> 03:18:48,088
the reveal of
a genuine Hollywood diva,

4674
03:18:48,192 --> 03:18:51,195
and finding the perfect voice
for Chucky and Tiffany's

4675
03:18:51,298 --> 03:18:54,198
captivating and sympathetic
offspring.

4676
03:18:54,301 --> 03:18:56,234
When Don called me up
and he said,

4677
03:18:56,338 --> 03:18:59,651
"Oh, we want to bring you back
for 'Seed of Chucky, '"

4678
03:18:59,755 --> 03:19:02,033
I was confused 'cause I said,
"Didn't Tiffany die

4679
03:19:02,137 --> 03:19:03,621
at the end
of 'Bride of Chucky'?"

4680
03:19:03,724 --> 03:19:04,933
And he laughed, and he goes,

4681
03:19:05,036 --> 03:19:06,596
nobody ever really dies
in these movies.

4682
03:19:06,624 --> 03:19:09,213
It's voodoo. I mean,
we can always bring them back."

4683
03:19:09,316 --> 03:19:11,387
It was great
having Jennifer there.

4684
03:19:11,491 --> 03:19:13,527
I deliberately planned it
that way.

4685
03:19:13,631 --> 03:19:16,875
He basically took
all the worst aspects of me

4686
03:19:16,979 --> 03:19:19,188
and made
the Jennifer Tilly creation,

4687
03:19:19,292 --> 03:19:21,156
like, this
really insecure,

4688
03:19:21,259 --> 03:19:25,470
narcissistic, self-involved
actress, which we loved.

4689
03:19:25,574 --> 03:19:26,989
Everything we did was

4690
03:19:27,093 --> 03:19:30,993
with Jennifer's
enthusiastic endorsement.

4691
03:19:31,097 --> 03:19:32,822
And I said to Don,
"You have to make me

4692
03:19:32,926 --> 03:19:35,170
the horrible diva
movie star from hell."

4693
03:19:35,273 --> 03:19:37,275
You know, I should have
played Erin Brockovich.

4694
03:19:37,379 --> 03:19:39,346
I could have done it
without the WonderBra.

4695
03:19:39,450 --> 03:19:43,040
Going back to work
and walking in a booth

4696
03:19:43,143 --> 03:19:47,113
where Jennifer is there is,
like, really exciting.

4697
03:19:47,216 --> 03:19:50,047
And then I had to find
the new Brad Dourif,

4698
03:19:50,150 --> 03:19:53,153
the new Jennifer Tilly,
the new great actor

4699
03:19:53,257 --> 03:19:57,123
who was going to be able
to sell all of this

4700
03:19:57,226 --> 03:20:00,747
and play both characters,
Glen and Glenda.

4701
03:20:00,850 --> 03:20:02,749
We heard a host of voices.

4702
03:20:02,852 --> 03:20:05,131
Don really sparked
to Billy Boyd.

4703
03:20:05,234 --> 03:20:09,100
The way he voiced
that character was adorable,

4704
03:20:09,204 --> 03:20:11,861
and the character
was very vulnerable.

4705
03:20:11,965 --> 03:20:14,450
It's because of the way
I look, isn't it?

4706
03:20:14,554 --> 03:20:18,178
There's just this
sweet quality that he had.

4707
03:20:18,282 --> 03:20:19,559
And intelligence.

4708
03:20:19,662 --> 03:20:21,733
Yeah, Dad, it'll be fun.

4709
03:20:21,837 --> 03:20:23,390
He just really did
a great job

4710
03:20:23,494 --> 03:20:27,222
of bringing the pathos and
the sweetness of that character,

4711
03:20:27,325 --> 03:20:30,328
and I think that's why
Glen/Glenda is so beloved.

4712
03:20:30,432 --> 03:20:32,330
We were going
to distinguish the voices.

4713
03:20:32,434 --> 03:20:36,817
We knew that we wanted Glen
to basically be Pip

4714
03:20:36,921 --> 03:20:38,233
from "Great Expectations."

4715
03:20:38,336 --> 03:20:39,751
Tell us your name... quick!

4716
03:20:39,855 --> 03:20:41,684
Pip. Pip, sir.

4717
03:20:41,788 --> 03:20:45,033
But for Glen's female side,

4718
03:20:45,136 --> 03:20:48,036
what about, like,
a Cockney streetwalker?

4719
03:20:48,139 --> 03:20:50,831
I'm a real "lady killer,"

4720
03:20:50,935 --> 03:20:52,868
if you catch my drift.

4721
03:20:52,971 --> 03:20:55,353
And that's really
what Glenda is.

4722
03:20:55,457 --> 03:20:57,010
You know, just that kind of,

4723
03:20:57,114 --> 03:20:58,805
like, "Freshen your drink,
guvnor?"

4724
03:20:58,908 --> 03:21:03,051
With cast, crew, and brand-new
animatronic creations

4725
03:21:03,154 --> 03:21:05,398
ready to play... and slay...

4726
03:21:05,501 --> 03:21:10,886
"Seed of Chucky" went before
the cameras on March 15, 2004.

4727
03:21:10,989 --> 03:21:12,060
So, the title sequence

4728
03:21:12,163 --> 03:21:14,545
I actually wrote
into the script,

4729
03:21:14,648 --> 03:21:18,480
even seeing Jennifer Tilly's
name on screen

4730
03:21:18,583 --> 03:21:22,070
as Chucky's seed comes slowly.

4731
03:21:22,173 --> 03:21:26,281
I wanted it to be
an icky, pervy version

4732
03:21:26,384 --> 03:21:28,662
of the Bond gun-barrel thing.

4733
03:21:28,766 --> 03:21:30,606
Like anything Don does,
there's an extraordinary

4734
03:21:30,630 --> 03:21:33,150
amount of work
that goes on behind the scenes.

4735
03:21:33,253 --> 03:21:36,946
Richard Morrison had
done "Batman" for Tim Burton

4736
03:21:37,050 --> 03:21:38,776
and a couple of his other films,

4737
03:21:38,879 --> 03:21:40,679
so this seemed like a marriage
made in heaven.

4738
03:21:42,711 --> 03:21:45,196
The opening scene is

4739
03:21:45,300 --> 03:21:49,373
at once an homage
to "Halloween,"

4740
03:21:49,476 --> 03:21:51,513
then we move into "Psycho,"

4741
03:21:51,616 --> 03:21:54,309
where he kills the woman
in the bathtub.

4742
03:21:57,622 --> 03:22:00,694
Glen is this poor,
tortured soul in this cage

4743
03:22:00,798 --> 03:22:03,594
and treated as a performing rat,
essentially.

4744
03:22:03,697 --> 03:22:07,149
Glen is meant to be
a Dickensian orphan type,

4745
03:22:07,253 --> 03:22:08,806
much abused.

4746
03:22:08,909 --> 03:22:13,466
It seemed like a ventriloquist
would be the best abuser.

4747
03:22:13,569 --> 03:22:16,020
You were shit last night.

4748
03:22:16,124 --> 03:22:19,334
Psychs is a reference
to Dickens.

4749
03:22:19,437 --> 03:22:22,475
And then he sees on TV
the behind-the-scenes

4750
03:22:22,578 --> 03:22:24,649
of the Chucky film being made.

4751
03:22:24,753 --> 03:22:26,064
Fuck with your mind!

4752
03:22:26,168 --> 03:22:27,583
Chucky's broke again!

4753
03:22:27,687 --> 03:22:31,311
We needed this actor
to do this one scene

4754
03:22:31,415 --> 03:22:33,451
in the film within the film.

4755
03:22:33,555 --> 03:22:35,360
A guy said, "What about
my friend Jason Flemyng?"

4756
03:22:35,384 --> 03:22:37,283
And I said, like,
"Fuck! Awesome."

4757
03:22:37,386 --> 03:22:39,837
So, Jason Flemyng
agreed to do it,

4758
03:22:39,940 --> 03:22:43,012
and he flew in, um...

4759
03:22:43,116 --> 03:22:45,567
complained a lot.

4760
03:22:47,051 --> 03:22:48,708
Jason Flemyng had
to play Santa

4761
03:22:48,811 --> 03:22:51,089
and schlep all these packages
through the snow,

4762
03:22:51,193 --> 03:22:54,714
and he gets killed by Tiffany
with a slinky around his neck.

4763
03:22:54,817 --> 03:22:58,027
And it was totally goofy,
stupid stuff.

4764
03:22:58,131 --> 03:23:00,202
I'd be interested
to know more why

4765
03:23:00,306 --> 03:23:03,240
this was such an unpleasant
experience for him.

4766
03:23:03,343 --> 03:23:05,690
This is unprofessional,
and I can't work like this!

4767
03:23:05,794 --> 03:23:07,520
I don't...
Like, I don't know.

4768
03:23:07,623 --> 03:23:10,247
We're here in Hollywood,
where production is underway

4769
03:23:10,350 --> 03:23:12,904
on the new horror flick
"Chucky Goes Psycho."

4770
03:23:13,008 --> 03:23:16,218
I had another thought...
"Chucky, Actually"...

4771
03:23:16,322 --> 03:23:18,393
because "Love, Actually"
was right around that time.

4772
03:23:18,496 --> 03:23:19,808
Nobody found that funny.

4773
03:23:19,911 --> 03:23:22,362
So everybody's sort of,
like, either themselves

4774
03:23:22,466 --> 03:23:24,640
or a variation
of somebody else in the room,

4775
03:23:24,744 --> 03:23:26,642
which was pretty
hilarious at times.

4776
03:23:26,746 --> 03:23:28,275
I think "Seed of Chucky"
is really interesting

4777
03:23:28,299 --> 03:23:30,922
for being a commentary
on Hollywood.

4778
03:23:31,026 --> 03:23:33,408
It was so incredibly meta.

4779
03:23:33,511 --> 03:23:36,445
I see it in terms
of how Don was adapting

4780
03:23:36,549 --> 03:23:38,136
to where the genre was.

4781
03:23:38,240 --> 03:23:39,759
It's self-referential.

4782
03:23:39,862 --> 03:23:42,727
I played Don Mancini being
directed by Don Mancini.

4783
03:23:42,831 --> 03:23:44,246
Tony, what was that?

4784
03:23:44,350 --> 03:23:46,766
And here's Tony Gardner
as Tony Gardner.

4785
03:23:49,251 --> 03:23:50,804
There you go.

4786
03:23:50,908 --> 03:23:53,048
I need to take a meeting
with this Redman right away.

4787
03:23:53,151 --> 03:23:54,670
When Redman was cast
for the film,

4788
03:23:54,774 --> 03:23:58,364
the studio really wanted
someone kind of cool, edgy.

4789
03:23:58,467 --> 03:24:02,195
My dream casting
was Quentin Tarantino.

4790
03:24:02,299 --> 03:24:03,579
I didn't know Quentin Tarantino.

4791
03:24:03,610 --> 03:24:05,578
I still don't know
Quentin Tarantino.

4792
03:24:05,681 --> 03:24:09,064
He wanted an actual
indie director to direct it.

4793
03:24:09,167 --> 03:24:11,653
I was considering
Vincent Gallo,

4794
03:24:11,756 --> 03:24:13,724
and Jennifer goes,
"Oh, no, no."

4795
03:24:15,691 --> 03:24:17,497
'Cause she had worked with him,
and she just said,

4796
03:24:17,521 --> 03:24:19,316
"No, he will eat you alive."

4797
03:24:19,419 --> 03:24:20,765
The studio was like,

4798
03:24:20,869 --> 03:24:22,629
"Oh, Redman would be
a great indie director."

4799
03:24:22,733 --> 03:24:25,425
Universal suggested Redman.

4800
03:24:25,529 --> 03:24:26,737
Yo, Redman here.

4801
03:24:26,840 --> 03:24:28,635
I'm on the scene
at "Seed of Chucky."

4802
03:24:28,739 --> 03:24:30,741
I liked him,
and he's charismatic.

4803
03:24:30,844 --> 03:24:32,724
Don thought it was funny
the way I said Redman.

4804
03:24:32,812 --> 03:24:34,814
- Is it "Red man," "Red man"?
- "Red man."

4805
03:24:34,917 --> 03:24:37,092
"Red man," okay.
I would always say "Red-muhn."

4806
03:24:37,195 --> 03:24:39,370
Oh, that's so sweet, Redman.

4807
03:24:39,474 --> 03:24:41,717
He was an absolute gentleman,
a pro.

4808
03:24:41,821 --> 03:24:43,719
I had no idea
if this guy could even act.

4809
03:24:43,823 --> 03:24:45,687
Man, this was meant
to be, baby, for real.

4810
03:24:45,790 --> 03:24:47,896
But he did,
and he was great in the film.

4811
03:24:47,999 --> 03:24:50,174
Action.

4812
03:24:50,278 --> 03:24:51,727
And cut.

4813
03:24:51,831 --> 03:24:53,142
They're puppets.

4814
03:24:53,246 --> 03:24:54,903
They don't walk and talk
by themselves.

4815
03:24:55,006 --> 03:24:59,217
So I always had this concept
of the puppeteer

4816
03:24:59,321 --> 03:25:00,702
getting killed by the puppet.

4817
03:25:00,805 --> 03:25:02,600
Originally, it
was going to be Kevin.

4818
03:25:02,704 --> 03:25:06,121
I remember having to do
an audition at Don's house

4819
03:25:06,224 --> 03:25:07,916
on Don's kitchen table,

4820
03:25:08,019 --> 03:25:11,678
strapped down, and the dolls
performing "Operation!" on me.

4821
03:25:11,782 --> 03:25:13,404
"Is Tony gonna
be able to do this?"

4822
03:25:13,508 --> 03:25:14,957
But we realized he could.

4823
03:25:15,061 --> 03:25:16,511
The day of the shoot,

4824
03:25:16,614 --> 03:25:18,789
I remember it was
super schizophrenic for me

4825
03:25:18,892 --> 03:25:24,001
because I'm acting as this guy,
wearing specific wardrobe.

4826
03:25:24,104 --> 03:25:26,072
The guy's name is Tony Gardner.

4827
03:25:26,175 --> 03:25:29,351
So you're playing this part,
and then when they say cut,

4828
03:25:29,455 --> 03:25:31,595
and then you're Tony Gardner,
the effects guy,

4829
03:25:31,698 --> 03:25:34,252
setting up the puppet version
of yourself

4830
03:25:34,356 --> 03:25:36,185
for how you're gonna die.

4831
03:25:36,289 --> 03:25:38,671
And it's just, again,
Don Mancini, meta.

4832
03:25:38,774 --> 03:25:41,881
And that, to this day, remains
one of my favorite kills

4833
03:25:41,984 --> 03:25:43,158
in the whole franchise.

4834
03:25:45,091 --> 03:25:46,644
It just goes off like a cork.

4835
03:25:46,748 --> 03:25:48,622
When they did the scene of it
rolling up in the air

4836
03:25:48,646 --> 03:25:53,271
towards camera,
they actually had it on a spit,

4837
03:25:53,375 --> 03:25:55,135
and we were rolling it
like this,

4838
03:25:55,239 --> 03:25:58,000
and the camera was pushing in
towards it and pulling out.

4839
03:25:58,104 --> 03:26:01,418
And then they actually filmed me
in a green suit,

4840
03:26:01,521 --> 03:26:03,005
and they comped my eyes

4841
03:26:03,109 --> 03:26:04,800
right before it starts
to fall back down,

4842
03:26:04,904 --> 03:26:07,631
so that they could have
more realistic eyes in there.

4843
03:26:07,734 --> 03:26:09,771
Pete Peters,
"Celebrities Revealed."

4844
03:26:09,874 --> 03:26:11,196
And I thought like,
"Oh, it'd be great

4845
03:26:11,220 --> 03:26:12,567
to have John in the movie.

4846
03:26:12,670 --> 03:26:14,465
So the way I was able
to communicate with him

4847
03:26:14,569 --> 03:26:15,984
was through Tony Gardner.

4848
03:26:16,087 --> 03:26:18,227
I was super thrilled
that that Don wanted

4849
03:26:18,331 --> 03:26:20,816
to hire John Waters
to be in it.

4850
03:26:20,920 --> 03:26:23,647
I had heard
from Justin Whalin, actually,

4851
03:26:23,750 --> 03:26:27,409
years before,
that John Waters was a fan

4852
03:26:27,513 --> 03:26:30,585
'cause Justin worked
with John in "Serial Mom."

4853
03:26:30,688 --> 03:26:32,414
John Waters
was a big Chucky fan,

4854
03:26:32,518 --> 03:26:33,798
and he said
that he really wanted

4855
03:26:33,829 --> 03:26:35,555
- to get killed by Chucky.
- You know,

4856
03:26:35,659 --> 03:26:38,765
he was insistent on coming on
and playing a role,

4857
03:26:38,869 --> 03:26:40,629
so that he could be killed
by Chucky.

4858
03:26:40,733 --> 03:26:42,631
Well, I loved
all the "Chucky" movies,

4859
03:26:42,735 --> 03:26:44,322
and I jumped at the chance,
you know,

4860
03:26:44,426 --> 03:26:46,083
because, uh,
I like to be in movies

4861
03:26:46,186 --> 03:26:48,810
that maybe people
won't expect to see me in.

4862
03:26:48,913 --> 03:26:51,260
Don was able
to get John to come on board.

4863
03:26:51,364 --> 03:26:53,746
He said, "Yes,
I'm completely on board.

4864
03:26:53,849 --> 03:26:56,680
- This is going to be great."
- Plus, I got to go to Romania

4865
03:26:56,783 --> 03:26:59,130
for the only time in my
whole life I ever went there.

4866
03:26:59,234 --> 03:27:00,856
I was so surprised
and thrilled

4867
03:27:00,960 --> 03:27:03,583
that John Waters said yes,
I think that Don had that dream,

4868
03:27:03,687 --> 03:27:05,309
like in his pocket
the whole time.

4869
03:27:05,413 --> 03:27:08,899
He improvised a couple of
his best, most memorable lines.

4870
03:27:09,002 --> 03:27:13,248
I'm confronted by reporters,
and one of them is John Waters,

4871
03:27:13,351 --> 03:27:15,561
and he's screaming
questions at me.

4872
03:27:15,664 --> 03:27:17,355
And I remember
I was kind of annoyed,

4873
03:27:17,459 --> 03:27:18,598
because he was ad-libbing.

4874
03:27:18,702 --> 03:27:20,022
Jennifer, how old
are you really?

4875
03:27:20,082 --> 03:27:21,543
I'm like,
"That wasn't in the script."

4876
03:27:21,567 --> 03:27:23,327
Like, "Hey, stop it.

4877
03:27:23,431 --> 03:27:24,984
Stop bringing attention
to my age."

4878
03:27:25,087 --> 03:27:27,331
Did I? I'm usually
against ad-libbing.

4879
03:27:27,435 --> 03:27:29,506
I'm... If... If I did,
they asked me to.

4880
03:27:29,609 --> 03:27:31,059
I would never butt in

4881
03:27:31,162 --> 03:27:34,165
and do that,
because I respect the writers.

4882
03:27:34,269 --> 03:27:36,247
Jennifer, I love you.

4883
03:27:36,271 --> 03:27:38,100
I...

4884
03:27:38,204 --> 03:27:40,689
Jennifer, I love you.

4885
03:27:40,793 --> 03:27:42,657
I was between boyfriends
at the time,

4886
03:27:42,760 --> 03:27:44,313
and I remember Don was like,

4887
03:27:44,417 --> 03:27:48,248
"I'm gonna get you a really
attractive straight guy

4888
03:27:48,352 --> 03:27:49,802
to be the chauffeur."

4889
03:27:49,905 --> 03:27:51,985
And then, I showed up on the
set, I was kind of like,

4890
03:27:52,011 --> 03:27:54,979
thinking like,
"Oh, hello, here I am.

4891
03:27:55,083 --> 03:27:56,843
Where's my set romance?"

4892
03:27:56,947 --> 03:27:58,638
And it was Steve,
and I was like,

4893
03:27:58,742 --> 03:28:01,469
"Oh, he's not my type.
He's more Don's type."

4894
03:28:03,712 --> 03:28:06,128
Jennifer, I have
something important I...

4895
03:28:06,232 --> 03:28:07,613
Hold on a second, sweetheart.

4896
03:28:07,716 --> 03:28:09,142
Considering the context
that Jennifer Tilly

4897
03:28:09,166 --> 03:28:10,685
was playing Jennifer Tilly,

4898
03:28:10,788 --> 03:28:13,964
and I was this London actor
pretending to be,

4899
03:28:14,067 --> 03:28:17,485
you know, an American chauffeur,
uh, in love with Jennifer Tilly.

4900
03:28:17,588 --> 03:28:19,314
That wasn't that difficult.

4901
03:28:19,417 --> 03:28:20,833
So, it was actually
very touching,

4902
03:28:20,936 --> 03:28:23,007
like, how devoted
he was towards me

4903
03:28:23,111 --> 03:28:25,838
and how she sort of saw him
as sort of an extension

4904
03:28:25,941 --> 03:28:27,909
of the steering wheel
that drove her home.

4905
03:28:28,012 --> 03:28:33,570
Aren't you gonna give me
a hand here?

4906
03:28:33,673 --> 03:28:37,746
Chucky is masturbating
to Fangoria, of course.

4907
03:28:37,850 --> 03:28:39,610
- Ah.
- I think he was looking

4908
03:28:39,714 --> 03:28:41,198
at a picture of Don Mancini.

4909
03:28:41,301 --> 03:28:43,925
I do remember, though,
for legal reasons,

4910
03:28:44,028 --> 03:28:46,065
we had to mock up
our own cover,

4911
03:28:46,168 --> 03:28:48,101
but we have
the actual Fangorialogo.

4912
03:28:48,205 --> 03:28:50,276
They definitely
endorsed the moment.

4913
03:28:50,379 --> 03:28:54,901
It's like "Seed of Chucky,"
brought to you by Fangoria.

4914
03:28:55,005 --> 03:28:57,110
Come to Papa.

4915
03:28:57,214 --> 03:28:59,906
You know what?
I don't remember that.

4916
03:29:00,010 --> 03:29:01,459
It was often...

4917
03:29:01,563 --> 03:29:03,461
uh, almost unbelievable
what we were doing.

4918
03:29:03,565 --> 03:29:05,843
I... I... Was I masturbating?

4919
03:29:05,947 --> 03:29:08,087
Tony and the puppeteers
were very on board

4920
03:29:08,190 --> 03:29:10,952
with going for
this kind of John Waters,

4921
03:29:11,055 --> 03:29:15,232
you know, trash, you know,
obscenity vibe.

4922
03:29:15,335 --> 03:29:17,924
While we were laughing,
we were all so amazed that, uh,

4923
03:29:18,028 --> 03:29:20,996
somebody would be bold enough
to make something this crazy.

4924
03:29:21,100 --> 03:29:23,965
You know, and to actually
see Chucky's dick,

4925
03:29:24,068 --> 03:29:28,107
which you can
in the unrated version.

4926
03:29:28,210 --> 03:29:31,041
It was scripted and we did it
and we shot it.

4927
03:29:31,144 --> 03:29:33,871
But from the powers that be,
there was some squeamishness.

4928
03:29:33,975 --> 03:29:36,667
I... I love the idea
of the exploration of...

4929
03:29:36,771 --> 03:29:38,255
of Glen/Glenda.

4930
03:29:38,358 --> 03:29:41,603
I just thought, personally,
we got a bit base with,

4931
03:29:41,707 --> 03:29:45,193
um, masturbation
and... and seeing,

4932
03:29:45,296 --> 03:29:47,436
um, semen in a cup.

4933
03:29:47,540 --> 03:29:49,473
What am I supposed
to do with this?

4934
03:29:49,577 --> 03:29:52,545
You know, so what?
It's fine.

4935
03:29:52,649 --> 03:29:54,478
- I like that.
- Good for Don.

4936
03:29:54,582 --> 03:29:56,100
Good for the movie.

4937
03:29:56,204 --> 03:29:57,757
Get it, mini meat.

4938
03:29:57,861 --> 03:29:59,552
Well, Chucky's
kind of beyond taste.

4939
03:29:59,656 --> 03:30:01,209
I mean, Chucky masturbating is,

4940
03:30:01,312 --> 03:30:03,936
at first, you get nervous,
but he must be 18 by now.

4941
03:30:04,039 --> 03:30:05,800
John Waters is there
watching it,

4942
03:30:05,903 --> 03:30:08,250
which was a great running
commentary in and of itself.

4943
03:30:08,354 --> 03:30:11,702
I love the idea, because you
never see monsters having sex

4944
03:30:11,806 --> 03:30:13,808
or masturbating
or especially masturbating.

4945
03:30:13,911 --> 03:30:16,742
And you have to really over
exaggerate your moves

4946
03:30:16,845 --> 03:30:19,814
for it to translate down into
this puppet that's down,

4947
03:30:19,917 --> 03:30:21,539
you know, 15 feet of cable.

4948
03:30:21,643 --> 03:30:24,404
One of our British puppeteers,
Andy Garner, drew the straw

4949
03:30:24,508 --> 03:30:27,235
of having to puppeteer
Chucky's arms for that scene.

4950
03:30:27,338 --> 03:30:29,409
So, when you have
all those people trying to tap

4951
03:30:29,513 --> 03:30:33,103
into kind of what they know
about what Chucky is doing, uh,

4952
03:30:33,206 --> 03:30:35,726
it just became
extremely hilarious.

4953
03:30:35,830 --> 03:30:38,453
- Where are we going?
- Hunting.

4954
03:30:38,556 --> 03:30:40,006
The story is set in Hollywood.

4955
03:30:40,110 --> 03:30:41,939
I thought it would be fun
for Chucky

4956
03:30:42,043 --> 03:30:46,357
to sort of casually run
some celebrity off the road.

4957
03:30:46,461 --> 03:30:49,498
Ozzy and Sharon Osbourne
were being considered,

4958
03:30:49,602 --> 03:30:53,019
but at some point, our casting
director had an actress

4959
03:30:53,123 --> 03:30:55,504
who was the spitting image
of Britney Spears.

4960
03:30:55,608 --> 03:30:57,645
It's the height
of Britney Spears fame.

4961
03:30:57,748 --> 03:30:59,439
The double is so convincing.

4962
03:30:59,543 --> 03:31:02,304
That's why it was
Britney Spears

4963
03:31:02,408 --> 03:31:04,272
specifically that Chucky killed.

4964
03:31:04,375 --> 03:31:08,379
Not because I have anything
against Britney Spears.

4965
03:31:08,483 --> 03:31:11,693
Oops, I did it again.

4966
03:31:11,797 --> 03:31:14,454
So, anyway, Britney,
you're awesome.

4967
03:31:14,558 --> 03:31:16,525
Jesus Christ.

4968
03:31:16,629 --> 03:31:18,251
Who wouldn't want
to kill John Waters?

4969
03:31:18,355 --> 03:31:20,081
I mean, it was just great.
No, I'm kidding.

4970
03:31:20,184 --> 03:31:22,117
- He was amazing.
- The very first take,

4971
03:31:22,221 --> 03:31:23,854
Glen is coming over to me,
and they say "Cut!"

4972
03:31:23,878 --> 03:31:25,465
And of course,
the puppet goes blank.

4973
03:31:25,569 --> 03:31:27,616
And then, he looked up at me
and said, "Fuck you" like that,

4974
03:31:27,640 --> 03:31:28,997
because the puppeteers
were under there

4975
03:31:29,021 --> 03:31:30,678
just trying to fuck with me.

4976
03:31:30,781 --> 03:31:34,233
John loved Glen,
so it made it even more special.

4977
03:31:34,336 --> 03:31:36,822
The melting of his face,
it's "Raiders"

4978
03:31:36,925 --> 03:31:39,894
when the Nazi looks into
the Ark of the Covenant.

4979
03:31:39,997 --> 03:31:41,619
Killing him was really fun,

4980
03:31:41,723 --> 03:31:44,795
but we did a prosthetic makeup
on him with some goo tubing

4981
03:31:44,899 --> 03:31:46,659
and slime
and stuff like that in it.

4982
03:31:46,763 --> 03:31:48,592
Making the mask
was much scarier

4983
03:31:48,696 --> 03:31:50,421
than having Glen or Chucky
come after me.

4984
03:31:50,525 --> 03:31:54,598
John was super graceful
and super witty as always,

4985
03:31:54,702 --> 03:31:56,117
never at a loss for words.

4986
03:31:56,220 --> 03:31:59,741
And he was also really
beneficial to me.

4987
03:31:59,845 --> 03:32:02,226
He was just like
very calming, you know?

4988
03:32:02,330 --> 03:32:04,746
And he was like saying, "Yeah,
you just gotta, you know,

4989
03:32:04,850 --> 03:32:06,679
take a step back
and think of it...

4990
03:32:06,783 --> 03:32:08,129
Look at the big picture.

4991
03:32:08,232 --> 03:32:10,476
It's brick
by motherfucking brick."

4992
03:32:10,579 --> 03:32:14,307
So, yeah, it was a lot of fun
to work with such a legend.

4993
03:32:14,411 --> 03:32:16,378
I'm thrilled to be in "Chucky."
Bring me back.

4994
03:32:16,482 --> 03:32:19,796
I want to be in another one.

4995
03:32:21,452 --> 03:32:23,361
Tiffany doesn't like
how Redman has been treating

4996
03:32:23,385 --> 03:32:26,354
Jennifer Tilly,
and so she disemboweled him.

4997
03:32:26,457 --> 03:32:29,875
The rig on him for that
was a big fake stomach

4998
03:32:29,978 --> 03:32:33,292
on a vest that literally
opened up in the center

4999
03:32:33,395 --> 03:32:36,053
along the cut line
of Tiffany's knife.

5000
03:32:36,157 --> 03:32:37,717
And I remember
there were so many guts,

5001
03:32:37,814 --> 03:32:39,470
there were so many intestines,
I was like,

5002
03:32:39,574 --> 03:32:42,888
"Do people really have
that many intestines in them?"

5003
03:32:42,991 --> 03:32:44,993
Don got a great shot
when he dies.

5004
03:32:45,097 --> 03:32:46,615
It's very, very Hitchcock.

5005
03:32:46,719 --> 03:32:48,928
I feel like he and...
and John Waters

5006
03:32:49,032 --> 03:32:50,896
both really enjoyed

5007
03:32:50,999 --> 03:32:53,588
dying by the hands
of these... these puppets.

5008
03:32:53,691 --> 03:32:55,659
Tiff.

5009
03:32:57,523 --> 03:33:01,596
Glen/Glenda turns out to be,
uh, homicidal,

5010
03:33:01,699 --> 03:33:03,184
just like his parents.

5011
03:33:03,287 --> 03:33:07,567
Glen has split and...
and manifested as Glenda,

5012
03:33:07,671 --> 03:33:11,709
and their parents are very
confused about what to do.

5013
03:33:11,813 --> 03:33:17,198
- Glen?
- Guess again, Daddy.

5014
03:33:17,301 --> 03:33:18,682
Glenda?

5015
03:33:18,786 --> 03:33:21,271
The idea of trying to... to
bring a transgender character

5016
03:33:21,374 --> 03:33:25,585
to life was a great challenge,
and it was taken very seriously.

5017
03:33:25,689 --> 03:33:27,415
To take Glen to Glenda.

5018
03:33:27,518 --> 03:33:31,453
It was really all about, um,
a makeup makeover

5019
03:33:31,557 --> 03:33:33,110
on the actual puppet.

5020
03:33:33,214 --> 03:33:36,251
It kind of struck me
how forward it was

5021
03:33:36,355 --> 03:33:39,082
and how forward Don
was putting that in

5022
03:33:39,185 --> 03:33:40,980
- back then.
- I didn't think of it, like,

5023
03:33:41,084 --> 03:33:44,294
we were doing anything out
of the box or ahead of its time.

5024
03:33:44,397 --> 03:33:48,298
I was focused on trying
to be true to the character.

5025
03:33:48,401 --> 03:33:50,472
People are very touchy
about the subject.

5026
03:33:50,576 --> 03:33:52,889
Um, I think it treats it
with great respect.

5027
03:33:52,992 --> 03:33:55,236
That sort of nod
to someone, like,

5028
03:33:55,339 --> 03:33:58,826
Ed Wood and to trans
people and to,

5029
03:33:58,929 --> 03:34:02,105
you know, all of us
queer freaks and weirdos.

5030
03:34:02,208 --> 03:34:04,866
You know, that's who
that moment was for.

5031
03:34:04,970 --> 03:34:09,767
We got that that was being
presented in a loving,

5032
03:34:09,871 --> 03:34:13,323
respectful, uh, gracious way.

5033
03:34:13,426 --> 03:34:16,188
And I felt empathy
towards the character.

5034
03:34:16,291 --> 03:34:19,536
And I wanted everything to be
real, because without that,

5035
03:34:19,639 --> 03:34:21,779
there's... there's no story.

5036
03:34:21,883 --> 03:34:23,229
To me, there's no heart.

5037
03:34:23,333 --> 03:34:24,921
Wake up right now!

5038
03:34:25,024 --> 03:34:28,890
Tiffany slaps Glenda and...

5039
03:34:28,994 --> 03:34:30,788
and then, Glen comes back,

5040
03:34:30,892 --> 03:34:35,517
and there's that moment where...
where they look in the mirror.

5041
03:34:35,621 --> 03:34:37,381
It says, "What am I?"

5042
03:34:37,485 --> 03:34:38,900
That like, again, maybe,

5043
03:34:39,004 --> 03:34:41,178
because I'm gay
and my, you know,

5044
03:34:41,282 --> 03:34:43,940
like, I played
a version of that scene

5045
03:34:44,043 --> 03:34:47,633
as all or most gay men do
when they're growing up.

5046
03:34:47,736 --> 03:34:51,223
So, it hit home, I think,
for me and for, you know,

5047
03:34:51,326 --> 03:34:53,294
gay audiences, as it turned out.

5048
03:34:53,397 --> 03:34:55,883
Push, Miss Tilly, push!

5049
03:34:55,986 --> 03:34:58,333
I am pushing
you little star fucker!

5050
03:34:58,437 --> 03:35:00,197
Then, I had to have
a baby birthing scene.

5051
03:35:00,301 --> 03:35:03,166
I'd never birthed a baby
before in... in real life,

5052
03:35:03,269 --> 03:35:05,099
so that was a lot of screaming.

5053
03:35:05,202 --> 03:35:07,101
I just screamed
like it was a horror film.

5054
03:35:07,204 --> 03:35:08,792
Tiffany is attending,

5055
03:35:08,896 --> 03:35:11,588
and Chucky is like the nervous
father waiting in the wings.

5056
03:35:11,691 --> 03:35:13,651
All the bed scene stuff
we didn't think was fair,

5057
03:35:13,728 --> 03:35:16,041
because all the human actors
basically had to do

5058
03:35:16,144 --> 03:35:17,664
is lay there with gags
in their mouths.

5059
03:35:17,766 --> 03:35:20,700
I do remember Don apologizing
a lot for the fact

5060
03:35:20,804 --> 03:35:22,357
that I had a sock in my mouth.

5061
03:35:22,461 --> 03:35:25,636
So, it wasn't like I was
attractive, tied to the bed.

5062
03:35:25,740 --> 03:35:29,226
I was like this big beached
whale, and a lot of times,

5063
03:35:29,330 --> 03:35:31,435
like, my feet
would be in the foreground,

5064
03:35:31,539 --> 03:35:33,299
tied to the bed stand.

5065
03:35:33,403 --> 03:35:36,854
So, I was like, "I have looked
more attractive in the past."

5066
03:35:36,958 --> 03:35:38,580
I'm trying to seduce you.

5067
03:35:38,684 --> 03:35:41,204
I think I do remember asking
Jennifer how she keeps going,

5068
03:35:41,307 --> 03:35:43,309
and she... she just said,
she just does.

5069
03:35:43,413 --> 03:35:44,966
And it was kind of relaxing,

5070
03:35:45,070 --> 03:35:46,771
because I didn't really
have to do anything,

5071
03:35:46,795 --> 03:35:48,832
just acting
with my eyes, mostly.

5072
03:35:48,936 --> 03:35:52,594
If that's what she does, then
that's what I'm going to do.

5073
03:35:55,321 --> 03:35:58,152
The action of throwing
with a mechanical arm,

5074
03:35:58,255 --> 03:36:01,051
and then, the whip hand
to the... to the impact

5075
03:36:01,155 --> 03:36:02,811
of the knife, I thought,
were great.

5076
03:36:02,915 --> 03:36:05,228
The knife...
I think the knife is CGI.

5077
03:36:05,331 --> 03:36:08,231
He takes the knife
in his chest to save her.

5078
03:36:08,334 --> 03:36:10,060
So, then, I could throw myself

5079
03:36:10,164 --> 03:36:12,614
back onto Jennifer's lap
into frame,

5080
03:36:12,718 --> 03:36:16,964
splurt the blood everywhere,
and then, have the... I...

5081
03:36:17,067 --> 03:36:18,907
I love... I love it up,
which was not difficult,

5082
03:36:18,931 --> 03:36:20,795
because I was choking
on ketchup blood.

5083
03:36:20,898 --> 03:36:22,245
In the first draft,

5084
03:36:22,348 --> 03:36:24,972
he finally gets out,
"I love you."

5085
03:36:25,075 --> 03:36:28,320
Jennifer Tilly's response
was "Thanks!"

5086
03:36:28,423 --> 03:36:32,358
And then, he dies,
and we had to pull that back.

5087
03:36:32,462 --> 03:36:34,774
Stan, tell me, tell me.

5088
03:36:34,878 --> 03:36:37,605
And yeah, I love the fact
I didn't get to say I love you.

5089
03:36:37,708 --> 03:36:39,158
I still think that's great.

5090
03:36:39,262 --> 03:36:41,436
To the very end,
he's still trying to get it out,

5091
03:36:41,540 --> 03:36:45,095
and he dies
before he can, uh, say it.

5092
03:36:45,199 --> 03:36:46,752
No!

5093
03:36:46,855 --> 03:36:49,444
I honestly don't know
how many times Jennifer Tilly

5094
03:36:49,548 --> 03:36:52,033
has died in this franchise
at this point,

5095
03:36:52,137 --> 03:36:53,724
because whether it's me
or someone else,

5096
03:36:53,828 --> 03:36:56,003
there's so many different
versions of everybody.

5097
03:36:56,106 --> 03:36:57,797
I love the scene
where Glen/Glenda

5098
03:36:57,901 --> 03:36:58,936
is killing their dad.

5099
03:36:59,040 --> 03:37:00,386
He chops Chucky up,

5100
03:37:00,490 --> 03:37:02,457
and Chucky finally
is proud of him.

5101
03:37:02,561 --> 03:37:06,392
Weirdly, he seems
to really care about his son.

5102
03:37:06,496 --> 03:37:08,532
Atta boy, kid.

5103
03:37:08,636 --> 03:37:12,433
He goes, "Atta boy,"
and then dies.

5104
03:37:12,536 --> 03:37:16,851
It's so beautiful.
The rage comes from love.

5105
03:37:16,954 --> 03:37:18,577
Like, why don't you
love me enough?

5106
03:37:18,680 --> 03:37:21,683
And, you know,
I have to do this to you,

5107
03:37:21,787 --> 03:37:24,445
because you are evil,
and you need to be obliterated.

5108
03:37:24,548 --> 03:37:27,344
This murder was committed
by Glen, not Glenda.

5109
03:37:27,448 --> 03:37:30,140
You know, Glenda is gleeful
about killing.

5110
03:37:30,244 --> 03:37:31,831
Glen does not enjoy it.

5111
03:37:31,935 --> 03:37:35,835
And so, he's traumatized,
and he breaks down in tears.

5112
03:37:35,939 --> 03:37:38,942
This little kid
had endured so much.

5113
03:37:39,046 --> 03:37:40,944
And I remember
when we shot that scene

5114
03:37:41,048 --> 03:37:43,533
where she's comforting
the sobbing puppet,

5115
03:37:43,636 --> 03:37:46,639
we were all kind of, like,
"Oh, God, that... that's sad."

5116
03:37:46,743 --> 03:37:49,711
It's a birthday party

5117
03:37:49,815 --> 03:37:54,302
with 60 Romanian children

5118
03:37:54,406 --> 03:37:57,133
running around as extras.

5119
03:37:57,236 --> 03:37:58,479
That was a lot.

5120
03:37:58,582 --> 03:38:00,274
You have an homage
to Mommie Dearest,

5121
03:38:00,377 --> 03:38:03,380
where she's having
that children's birthday party.

5122
03:38:03,484 --> 03:38:05,072
Tiffany has taken
over Jennifer's life,

5123
03:38:05,175 --> 03:38:07,626
but now she's looking
like Joan Crawford.

5124
03:38:07,729 --> 03:38:09,731
And then, she takes
the Tiffany doll,

5125
03:38:09,835 --> 03:38:12,596
and she pummels
that sweet nanny to death.

5126
03:38:12,700 --> 03:38:16,083
And I loved how deranged
Tiffany became

5127
03:38:16,186 --> 03:38:18,706
once she got into
Jennifer Tilly's body.

5128
03:38:18,809 --> 03:38:21,916
I thought there was so much
greatness in this film,

5129
03:38:22,019 --> 03:38:24,401
but the audience
did not take to it.

5130
03:38:24,505 --> 03:38:27,059
It wasn't what they expected,
especially Universal.

5131
03:38:27,163 --> 03:38:29,234
After "Seed of Chucky,"
they're like, "Okay,

5132
03:38:29,337 --> 03:38:31,684
now, you guys
have had your fun.

5133
03:38:31,788 --> 03:38:34,101
Can we go back to Chucky
being scary again?"

5134
03:38:34,204 --> 03:38:35,895
There was a lot of eye rolling.

5135
03:38:35,999 --> 03:38:39,382
They trusted Don and I, and in
their minds, we let them down.

5136
03:38:39,485 --> 03:38:41,660
"Seed of Chucky"
blasted onto movie screens

5137
03:38:41,763 --> 03:38:45,595
on November 11th, 2004,
opening at

5138
03:38:45,698 --> 03:38:49,564
with a final global
tally of less than $25 million.

5139
03:38:49,668 --> 03:38:52,395
Audiences and critics
alike were divided.

5140
03:38:52,498 --> 03:38:55,225
Still, those who lent
their talents to the project

5141
03:38:55,329 --> 03:38:57,365
will always remember
the pleasure,

5142
03:38:57,469 --> 03:38:58,987
pain, and possibilities

5143
03:38:59,091 --> 03:39:02,750
of bringing the out of the
Good Guy box idea to life.

5144
03:39:02,853 --> 03:39:07,306
"Seed of Chucky"
didn't get many great reviews,

5145
03:39:07,410 --> 03:39:08,859
but it did get some.

5146
03:39:08,963 --> 03:39:12,553
Pulitzer Prize-winner
Wesley Morris did like it.

5147
03:39:12,656 --> 03:39:14,382
By the time
"Seed of Chucky" came out,

5148
03:39:14,486 --> 03:39:16,177
you'd had years of these

5149
03:39:16,281 --> 03:39:18,766
scream-influenced,
self-reflexive horror movies.

5150
03:39:18,869 --> 03:39:21,286
And I just think critics
were like, "I've heard this.

5151
03:39:21,389 --> 03:39:23,322
I've seen this kind of
thing before."

5152
03:39:23,426 --> 03:39:25,117
And it kind of blinded them

5153
03:39:25,221 --> 03:39:28,465
to the strengths of the movie,
and some of the very weird ways

5154
03:39:28,569 --> 03:39:30,364
in which the movie's
really interesting.

5155
03:39:30,467 --> 03:39:33,229
A horror movie is supposed
to fit within a specific box,

5156
03:39:33,332 --> 03:39:34,713
and this sticks its hands out

5157
03:39:34,816 --> 03:39:36,577
in... in a couple of
different directions.

5158
03:39:36,680 --> 03:39:38,613
That's something that horror
does really well

5159
03:39:38,717 --> 03:39:43,342
is it makes things scary,
but it also creates

5160
03:39:43,446 --> 03:39:46,345
an opportunity
for discussion and conversation.

5161
03:39:46,449 --> 03:39:49,762
And I think that the best thing
to help with fear

5162
03:39:49,866 --> 03:39:53,490
and bigotry is honest,
open conversation.

5163
03:39:53,594 --> 03:39:55,744
We're doing something that
was like a little bit risky.

5164
03:39:55,768 --> 03:39:58,668
I think, something that people
perhaps didn't think we were

5165
03:39:58,771 --> 03:40:01,498
going to be able to do as well
as we were able to do it,

5166
03:40:01,602 --> 03:40:03,500
and it was just
a fun experience all around.

5167
03:40:03,604 --> 03:40:06,469
It was literally 7 days
a week, every day.

5168
03:40:06,572 --> 03:40:07,987
The learning curve was massive,

5169
03:40:08,091 --> 03:40:10,404
and the work required
was intense,

5170
03:40:10,507 --> 03:40:12,509
- but I loved every minute of it.
- It seemed so

5171
03:40:12,613 --> 03:40:15,857
rich, colorful, and so alive

5172
03:40:15,961 --> 03:40:19,792
that I forgot about the weeks
and weeks of filming.

5173
03:40:19,896 --> 03:40:23,175
It was kind of surreal
to see what I'd been in

5174
03:40:23,279 --> 03:40:25,729
and been doing on the screen.

5175
03:40:25,833 --> 03:40:29,216
It was a lot more out there than
I realized for a horror movie.

5176
03:40:29,319 --> 03:40:30,596
You know? I was thrilled.

5177
03:40:30,700 --> 03:40:32,460
You know,
I loved the "Chucky" thing.

5178
03:40:32,564 --> 03:40:34,576
That's what I get recognized
for being in the "Chucky" movie,

5179
03:40:34,600 --> 03:40:36,395
not my film careers
or not other stuff.

5180
03:40:36,499 --> 03:40:38,432
It was just great to be in it,
and I was honored.

5181
03:40:38,535 --> 03:40:40,123
I still am honored.

5182
03:40:40,227 --> 03:40:41,583
You know, when I saw
"Seed," I thought...

5183
03:40:41,607 --> 03:40:43,713
I thought it worked,
I really had fun.

5184
03:40:43,816 --> 03:40:46,302
Like, now, when people are
ranking the "Chucky" movies,

5185
03:40:46,405 --> 03:40:48,476
and they...
they refer to it

5186
03:40:48,580 --> 03:40:50,927
as the film that
almost killed the franchise.

5187
03:40:51,030 --> 03:40:52,687
I'm like, "Oh, my God,

5188
03:40:52,791 --> 03:40:54,827
that was like one of
my very favorite films."

5189
03:40:54,931 --> 03:40:57,347
But I think people
weren't ready for it.

5190
03:40:57,451 --> 03:40:59,487
Just being a few years
ahead of your time

5191
03:40:59,591 --> 03:41:01,213
is still significant,

5192
03:41:01,317 --> 03:41:02,732
and may have been
part of the reason

5193
03:41:02,835 --> 03:41:04,596
why the movie
didn't do as well.

5194
03:41:04,699 --> 03:41:06,736
I'm so glad that over
the years

5195
03:41:06,839 --> 03:41:09,946
that it seems to be finding
a bigger audience.

5196
03:41:10,049 --> 03:41:11,430
It's made an impact on,
you know,

5197
03:41:11,534 --> 03:41:13,501
the LGBTQ  community

5198
03:41:13,605 --> 03:41:15,400
in a way that
I hadn't really anticipated.

5199
03:41:15,503 --> 03:41:18,679
I'm very proud of...
of what Don created

5200
03:41:18,782 --> 03:41:21,785
with the idea of...
of this trans child,

5201
03:41:21,889 --> 03:41:25,237
and very proud
to have my name on that.

5202
03:41:25,341 --> 03:41:26,894
I am proud of that movie.

5203
03:41:26,997 --> 03:41:31,070
I stick a big middle finger
in the faces of the people

5204
03:41:31,174 --> 03:41:32,727
who to this day,

5205
03:41:32,831 --> 03:41:35,937
will contact me on social media
and call me a faggot,

5206
03:41:36,041 --> 03:41:40,045
and, um, you know, tell me
I ruined my own franchise.

5207
03:41:40,148 --> 03:41:41,874
Up yours, asshole!

5208
03:41:41,978 --> 03:41:48,571
I feel like if people
were offended by the queerness

5209
03:41:48,674 --> 03:41:52,644
and... and how the queerness
was received,

5210
03:41:52,747 --> 03:41:54,231
I think that was the point.

5211
03:41:54,335 --> 03:41:57,131
I often devolve
into defensiveness

5212
03:41:57,234 --> 03:41:58,788
when talking about
"Seed of Chucky,"

5213
03:41:58,891 --> 03:42:00,766
although, it's getting better
as the years go on,

5214
03:42:00,790 --> 03:42:03,517
because it really does
help to hear people

5215
03:42:03,620 --> 03:42:04,966
say that they like the movie.

5216
03:42:05,070 --> 03:42:07,693
And I didn't waste
those years of my life.

5217
03:42:07,797 --> 03:42:09,695
Great art sometimes
takes time for people

5218
03:42:09,799 --> 03:42:10,800
to appreciate it.

5219
03:42:25,539 --> 03:42:27,679
After 2004,
"Seed of Chucky"

5220
03:42:27,782 --> 03:42:31,821
failed to bear Universal
its hoped for box office fruit.

5221
03:42:31,924 --> 03:42:34,479
8 years would pass
before the studio

5222
03:42:34,582 --> 03:42:36,584
finally showed interest
in another dance

5223
03:42:36,688 --> 03:42:38,690
with their diminutive devil.

5224
03:42:38,793 --> 03:42:41,313
So, after "Seed of Chucky,"

5225
03:42:41,417 --> 03:42:42,970
you know the movie
didn't do well.

5226
03:42:43,073 --> 03:42:46,698
So the... the franchise
kind of went fallow for a while.

5227
03:42:46,801 --> 03:42:48,596
I was approached by Glenn Ross,

5228
03:42:48,700 --> 03:42:50,426
who heads up a division
at Universal

5229
03:42:50,529 --> 03:42:52,117
for streaming called 1440.

5230
03:42:52,220 --> 03:42:55,569
And Glenn said to me, "I'd
like to do a 'Chucky' movie."

5231
03:42:55,672 --> 03:42:57,433
They were interested
in doing it

5232
03:42:57,536 --> 03:42:59,538
as a direct to video film.

5233
03:42:59,642 --> 03:43:01,816
Glenn did not want Don
to direct,

5234
03:43:01,920 --> 03:43:04,992
but there was no way that
that was going to happen.

5235
03:43:05,095 --> 03:43:06,511
It wouldn't have happened

5236
03:43:06,614 --> 03:43:08,685
if David Kirschner
hadn't supported it.

5237
03:43:08,789 --> 03:43:11,101
He either was going to
make it with Don and I,

5238
03:43:11,205 --> 03:43:13,966
or we weren't going to make it,
and they acquiesced.

5239
03:43:14,070 --> 03:43:16,106
There were a lot
of remakes happening,

5240
03:43:16,210 --> 03:43:18,868
"Nightmare On Elm Street,"
"Friday The 13th."

5241
03:43:18,971 --> 03:43:23,113
So, we did briefly discuss
doing that sort of thing,

5242
03:43:23,217 --> 03:43:26,807
but I think both David and I
were more interested

5243
03:43:26,910 --> 03:43:31,467
in a tonal reboot
rather than a strict remake.

5244
03:43:34,401 --> 03:43:39,060
To me, this was kind of like
the... the series starting over.

5245
03:43:39,164 --> 03:43:41,580
You know, we're going
back to the basics.

5246
03:43:41,684 --> 03:43:44,825
One doll, one environment.
It's a horror movie.

5247
03:43:44,928 --> 03:43:47,931
And it was going back
to roots of...

5248
03:43:48,035 --> 03:43:51,038
of just trying to do
a scary movie.

5249
03:43:51,141 --> 03:43:55,387
The idea was, is that we had
to go back to the first movie.

5250
03:43:55,491 --> 03:43:57,907
And again, Don went about that

5251
03:43:58,010 --> 03:43:59,810
- in a brilliant way.
- You know, we just said

5252
03:43:59,840 --> 03:44:02,808
"Well, let's...
let's do it scary again."

5253
03:44:02,912 --> 03:44:06,709
I took a lot of inspiration
from Hitchcock's

5254
03:44:06,812 --> 03:44:10,298
one set films, you know,
movies like "Rear Window"

5255
03:44:10,402 --> 03:44:12,818
and "Dial M for Murder"
and "Rope"

5256
03:44:12,922 --> 03:44:15,649
and "Lifeboat"
and "Lady in a Cage."

5257
03:44:15,752 --> 03:44:17,582
Hello!

5258
03:44:17,685 --> 03:44:20,274
So, I came up with this story,
and I thought of like,

5259
03:44:20,377 --> 03:44:22,863
"Who could be
a new protagonist?"

5260
03:44:22,966 --> 03:44:25,313
Someone imprisoned
in their home.

5261
03:44:25,417 --> 03:44:28,178
Over the years, people who
don't like the franchise,

5262
03:44:28,282 --> 03:44:30,698
like Dee Snider, for example.

5263
03:44:30,802 --> 03:44:32,355
Yeah, I remember
"Child's Play."

5264
03:44:32,459 --> 03:44:33,919
It was a freaking joke
and an embarrassment

5265
03:44:33,943 --> 03:44:35,669
to horror movies everywhere.

5266
03:44:35,772 --> 03:44:37,854
Over the years, he would say,
like, he hated "Chucky,"

5267
03:44:37,878 --> 03:44:40,674
and one of the reasons was like,
he could just kick him.

5268
03:44:40,777 --> 03:44:42,917
And I thought, like,
"What if you can't kick him?"

5269
03:44:43,021 --> 03:44:46,024
I think that that's where
he did have the idea

5270
03:44:46,127 --> 03:44:49,096
that, uh, this would be
a disabled woman

5271
03:44:49,199 --> 03:44:52,064
that's being terrified
by some unseen force

5272
03:44:52,168 --> 03:44:54,239
that is coming from
within the house.

5273
03:44:54,342 --> 03:44:57,829
A disabled young woman
without the use of her legs.

5274
03:44:57,932 --> 03:45:01,626
She is in a unique position
of vulnerability to Chucky.

5275
03:45:01,729 --> 03:45:03,420
It was like an old
Hammer movie.

5276
03:45:03,524 --> 03:45:07,148
This is great. This is a haunted
house movie with Chucky in it.

5277
03:45:07,252 --> 03:45:10,082
As the franchise looked
to explore a new story

5278
03:45:10,186 --> 03:45:12,844
and new direction,
the question remained,

5279
03:45:12,947 --> 03:45:16,088
"Who would bring the wheelchair
bound heroine to life?"

5280
03:45:16,192 --> 03:45:20,265
The answer, someone with Chucky
already in their blood.

5281
03:45:20,368 --> 03:45:24,234
Casting Nica was, you know,
one of the first challenges,

5282
03:45:24,338 --> 03:45:27,099
one of the first things
that was important to do.

5283
03:45:27,203 --> 03:45:29,654
So, I spent 6 years at MGM.

5284
03:45:29,757 --> 03:45:32,104
And when I left
to start my own company,

5285
03:45:32,208 --> 03:45:34,313
I made a lot of friends,
Lisa Gooding in particular.

5286
03:45:34,417 --> 03:45:37,627
She entrusted me with quite a
few of the Universal franchises,

5287
03:45:37,731 --> 03:45:39,560
and then she introduced me
to Don Mancini,

5288
03:45:39,664 --> 03:45:41,286
and it was like love
at first sight.

5289
03:45:41,389 --> 03:45:44,910
I saw a lot of actresses,
because what I hadn't found yet

5290
03:45:45,014 --> 03:45:47,257
in the actresses
that I had seen,

5291
03:45:47,361 --> 03:45:51,089
I wasn't believing any of them
in the wheelchair.

5292
03:45:51,192 --> 03:45:52,987
The character of Nica
is so powerful,

5293
03:45:53,091 --> 03:45:56,612
because usually, um,
you don't see an...

5294
03:45:56,715 --> 03:46:00,305
an alternatively-abled,
um, person in a lead role.

5295
03:46:00,408 --> 03:46:04,171
And, you know, as it happens,
I'm talking to Brad a lot,

5296
03:46:04,274 --> 03:46:06,932
because he's one of my main
collaborators in all of this.

5297
03:46:07,036 --> 03:46:11,040
Don called me up and asked
if I knew of an edgy actress.

5298
03:46:11,143 --> 03:46:16,010
And I said, "You know what?
I kind of do."

5299
03:46:16,114 --> 03:46:19,358
My daughter's actually is in...
is really good,

5300
03:46:19,462 --> 03:46:20,670
and she's kind of edgy.

5301
03:46:20,774 --> 03:46:22,879
- He said, you should see Fiona.
- Okay.

5302
03:46:22,983 --> 03:46:25,226
The "Child's Play" franchise
growing up

5303
03:46:25,330 --> 03:46:28,920
was just this thing that made
me cooler to kids in school.

5304
03:46:29,023 --> 03:46:30,680
I've never been
scared of Chucky.

5305
03:46:30,784 --> 03:46:32,717
Chucky just sounds like my dad.

5306
03:46:32,820 --> 03:46:35,927
We were so excited when we...
when we put Fiona

5307
03:46:36,030 --> 03:46:37,790
- into the mix.
- I had been in "True Blood,"

5308
03:46:37,860 --> 03:46:40,828
and I had done
some independent movies.

5309
03:46:42,450 --> 03:46:46,523
She initially had been
submitted by her agent

5310
03:46:46,627 --> 03:46:48,387
to read for the role of Barb.

5311
03:46:48,491 --> 03:46:53,738
I auditioned for it, and then
I got a, um, call back saying,

5312
03:46:53,841 --> 03:46:55,705
"Actually, we'd like you
to read for Nica."

5313
03:46:55,809 --> 03:46:57,534
Don knew it was
really important

5314
03:46:57,638 --> 03:46:59,157
who he would cast as Nica.

5315
03:46:59,260 --> 03:47:01,060
And I remember one day,
he was really excited,

5316
03:47:01,159 --> 03:47:04,162
and he sent me some footage
of Fiona Dourif in his scene

5317
03:47:04,265 --> 03:47:06,450
and he goes, "This is the person
I'm thinking of casting."

5318
03:47:06,474 --> 03:47:09,132
And I said, "Oh, my God,
she's amazing. She's brilliant."

5319
03:47:09,236 --> 03:47:13,447
And Don called me up
and said, "You know, um,

5320
03:47:13,550 --> 03:47:15,138
there's something about her

5321
03:47:15,242 --> 03:47:17,244
that, um, I think
she should play the lead."

5322
03:47:17,347 --> 03:47:21,973
She also reminded me
a little bit of Amy Irving,

5323
03:47:22,076 --> 03:47:24,872
who I always loved
in those De Palma movies,

5324
03:47:24,976 --> 03:47:26,667
"Carrie" and "The Fury."

5325
03:47:26,771 --> 03:47:29,739
Amy just has, like,
this vivid portrayal

5326
03:47:29,843 --> 03:47:31,603
of emotional trauma.

5327
03:47:31,707 --> 03:47:33,122
Fiona had that as well.

5328
03:47:33,225 --> 03:47:36,919
I was excited by it.
I was terrified to be in it.

5329
03:47:37,022 --> 03:47:38,852
But yeah, I was excited
to make it.

5330
03:47:38,955 --> 03:47:42,062
I was like, "This is very cool."

5331
03:47:42,165 --> 03:47:45,099
With Chucky now poised
to rise from the ashes

5332
03:47:45,203 --> 03:47:48,171
and raise hell once again,
writer and director

5333
03:47:48,275 --> 03:47:50,795
Don Mancini
worked to summon a team

5334
03:47:50,898 --> 03:47:54,074
to bring his vision
and villain to life.

5335
03:47:54,177 --> 03:47:56,007
We went and checked out
Winnipeg,

5336
03:47:56,110 --> 03:47:59,976
and one of the first people
I met there was Mike Marshall,

5337
03:48:00,080 --> 03:48:01,633
- who was our DP.
- We hit it off.

5338
03:48:01,737 --> 03:48:03,290
Don liked Winnipeg,

5339
03:48:03,393 --> 03:48:06,673
because it was kind of laid
back, casual, and arty.

5340
03:48:06,776 --> 03:48:08,088
One of the things I said was,

5341
03:48:08,191 --> 03:48:10,090
"Let's secretly make
an art film here."

5342
03:48:10,193 --> 03:48:12,989
I wanted to do
the Victorian house

5343
03:48:13,093 --> 03:48:14,784
that was kind of crumbling.

5344
03:48:14,888 --> 03:48:16,199
The house was actually built

5345
03:48:16,303 --> 03:48:17,960
for one of
the "Home Alone" sequels,

5346
03:48:18,063 --> 03:48:20,214
and then, they gutted part of it
and added the elevator,

5347
03:48:20,238 --> 03:48:22,619
and then, made the whole thing
look old and rotten.

5348
03:48:22,723 --> 03:48:24,173
This cage elevator

5349
03:48:24,276 --> 03:48:26,831
that we had to have a forklift
on the other side

5350
03:48:26,934 --> 03:48:29,316
with a winch on it,
just pulled this thing.

5351
03:48:29,419 --> 03:48:31,214
So, that's what would
bring it up and down,

5352
03:48:31,318 --> 03:48:34,217
because we couldn't afford
to create a real elevator.

5353
03:48:36,979 --> 03:48:39,015
A couple of things
happened after "Seed."

5354
03:48:39,119 --> 03:48:43,261
We were told by archives, no one
wants to do another Chucky film,

5355
03:48:43,364 --> 03:48:46,126
and everything
has been thrown away.

5356
03:48:46,229 --> 03:48:48,093
All the puppets,
all the animatronics.

5357
03:48:48,197 --> 03:48:52,995
All the fabric to make the doll
clothes and all of that stuff,

5358
03:48:53,098 --> 03:48:54,893
um, had been gotten rid of.

5359
03:48:54,997 --> 03:48:56,717
Literally everything,
we had to start over.

5360
03:48:56,757 --> 03:49:00,968
It was sort of a chance to prove
that rod puppetry would work.

5361
03:49:01,072 --> 03:49:04,144
We could transform
the puppets from these,

5362
03:49:04,247 --> 03:49:07,043
you know,
remotely-controlled dolls

5363
03:49:07,147 --> 03:49:09,701
to much more direct
hand puppets.

5364
03:49:09,805 --> 03:49:11,461
We did the whole
business with guys

5365
03:49:11,565 --> 03:49:13,118
with sticks dressed in black

5366
03:49:13,222 --> 03:49:14,982
behind them
that we're going to paint

5367
03:49:15,086 --> 03:49:16,363
out of the shots later.

5368
03:49:16,466 --> 03:49:18,365
Shots are done
with a puppeteer standing right

5369
03:49:18,468 --> 03:49:20,850
next to Chucky with a rod
out the top of his head,

5370
03:49:20,954 --> 03:49:22,369
and that was a major departure

5371
03:49:22,472 --> 03:49:24,129
from all of
the previous "Chucky" movies.

5372
03:49:24,233 --> 03:49:26,131
When Brad does
the line recording,

5373
03:49:26,235 --> 03:49:28,064
we would ask them
to film him,

5374
03:49:28,168 --> 03:49:31,654
because we really focused
on the body language.

5375
03:49:31,758 --> 03:49:34,415
You can't call this living.

5376
03:49:34,519 --> 03:49:37,349
And tried to match his
gesturing and stuff like that.

5377
03:49:37,453 --> 03:49:40,283
You can see my...
my dad's gesticulations

5378
03:49:40,387 --> 03:49:43,908
or whatever,
in like a 3 ft,

5379
03:49:44,011 --> 03:49:46,496
you know, plastic doll,
which is really interesting.

5380
03:49:46,600 --> 03:49:51,156
I had never seen the doll
work with puppeteers

5381
03:49:51,260 --> 03:49:52,537
and my voice.

5382
03:49:54,815 --> 03:49:56,196
And it was delightful.

5383
03:49:56,299 --> 03:49:58,405
With a new lead
pushing the boundaries

5384
03:49:58,508 --> 03:50:02,271
of what had come before, and
crew contracts inked in blood,

5385
03:50:02,374 --> 03:50:05,377
the old dark house was ready
to welcome its guests

5386
03:50:05,481 --> 03:50:12,005
as "Curse of Chucky" began
filming on September 5, 2012.

5387
03:50:12,108 --> 03:50:14,110
The discovery
of my mother dead.

5388
03:50:14,214 --> 03:50:18,459
It was horrifying. I remember
I lost my voice a couple times.

5389
03:50:18,563 --> 03:50:20,220
- Oh, my God!
- Don called me

5390
03:50:20,323 --> 03:50:22,118
and actually asked me
if I wanted

5391
03:50:22,222 --> 03:50:25,259
to play Nica's mother,
and I was like, "Yeah."

5392
03:50:25,363 --> 03:50:27,227
Count me in, I'll do that.
This is exciting.

5393
03:50:27,330 --> 03:50:29,170
I'm really happy to come back
to the franchise,

5394
03:50:29,229 --> 03:50:31,276
even if it's not as Kyle,
and then, they couldn't do it,

5395
03:50:31,300 --> 03:50:34,544
because they had to hire
a Canadian actress.

5396
03:50:34,648 --> 03:50:36,522
Well, I think one of my
favorite bits as the DP

5397
03:50:36,546 --> 03:50:38,894
is the first time
the family comes to the house

5398
03:50:38,997 --> 03:50:40,067
and they come inside.

5399
03:50:40,171 --> 03:50:41,689
From the moment
Danielle Bisutti

5400
03:50:41,793 --> 03:50:43,933
came in to read
for the role of Barb,

5401
03:50:44,037 --> 03:50:46,971
I thought, "Oh, my God.
We have our Barb."

5402
03:50:47,074 --> 03:50:53,080
She is an amazing
mixture of bougie,

5403
03:50:53,184 --> 03:50:57,326
decisive, alpha, and sexy.

5404
03:50:57,429 --> 03:51:01,088
My uncle Tony Thomopoulos
worked for United Artists.

5405
03:51:01,192 --> 03:51:02,987
I do remember as a little girl

5406
03:51:03,090 --> 03:51:05,575
walking down the stairs
into their theater room,

5407
03:51:05,679 --> 03:51:09,165
and there was that iconic
poster of "Child's Play,"

5408
03:51:09,269 --> 03:51:11,754
and that poster
would haunt me.

5409
03:51:11,858 --> 03:51:15,482
- Danielle Bisutti, loved her.
- She's an excellent actress.

5410
03:51:15,585 --> 03:51:18,416
We're gonna have to send Alice
to public school.

5411
03:51:18,519 --> 03:51:21,005
And she's so had her heart
set on Saint Bridget's.

5412
03:51:21,108 --> 03:51:22,765
And I don't want
to deprive my child.

5413
03:51:22,869 --> 03:51:26,665
Barb has one thing.
It's an agenda. Okay?

5414
03:51:26,769 --> 03:51:28,253
And fabulous hair.

5415
03:51:28,357 --> 03:51:30,083
I loved working
with Danielle Bisutti.

5416
03:51:30,186 --> 03:51:32,050
She uses Father Frank
as a prop.

5417
03:51:32,154 --> 03:51:34,950
It was interesting
that Don Mancini decided

5418
03:51:35,053 --> 03:51:37,435
to bring Father Frank
into the... the story

5419
03:51:37,538 --> 03:51:40,921
and have him function from that
point of view, the appetites,

5420
03:51:41,025 --> 03:51:43,061
the needs,
the agenda of the church.

5421
03:51:43,165 --> 03:51:45,063
I had been a particular fan

5422
03:51:45,167 --> 03:51:48,411
of A Martinez's performance
in "She-Devil."

5423
03:51:48,515 --> 03:51:52,139
He's really hilarious
in that movie,

5424
03:51:52,243 --> 03:51:54,693
and he has this
really funny line.

5425
03:51:54,797 --> 03:51:56,833
I may be the butler.

5426
03:51:56,937 --> 03:51:58,352
But I'm not the maid.

5427
03:51:58,456 --> 03:52:00,009
He would sometimes
even do it to me,

5428
03:52:00,113 --> 03:52:02,080
because he knew
I would laugh at it.

5429
03:52:02,184 --> 03:52:06,498
A Martinez is such a pro.
He's so calm.

5430
03:52:06,602 --> 03:52:11,158
I was so excited when the
studio said yes to A Martinez.

5431
03:52:11,262 --> 03:52:12,642
My mom watched soaps
my whole life

5432
03:52:12,746 --> 03:52:14,344
and was like obsessed with him,
and I told her,

5433
03:52:14,368 --> 03:52:16,819
I said, "I'm working
with A Martinez today."

5434
03:52:16,923 --> 03:52:19,960
And she felt I had...
I had arrived.

5435
03:52:20,064 --> 03:52:21,686
Is that a new chair?

5436
03:52:21,789 --> 03:52:23,999
- Uh, yeah.
- It's cool.

5437
03:52:24,102 --> 03:52:26,553
Brennan has an
amazing strength,

5438
03:52:26,656 --> 03:52:31,351
and he's a wonderful mixture
of soulfulness and virility.

5439
03:52:31,454 --> 03:52:33,663
Barb does wear the pants
in the family.

5440
03:52:33,767 --> 03:52:37,529
Ian was always the shrinking
violet in the relationship.

5441
03:52:37,633 --> 03:52:39,290
So, I was doing my thing,

5442
03:52:39,393 --> 03:52:41,164
getting to that place
of feeling kind of broken down

5443
03:52:41,188 --> 03:52:43,052
- as a father.
- Brennan was like

5444
03:52:43,156 --> 03:52:46,676
another incredibly
experienced TV actor.

5445
03:52:46,780 --> 03:52:49,403
There was nothing
he couldn't do.

5446
03:52:49,507 --> 03:52:50,957
Come here you.

5447
03:52:51,060 --> 03:52:55,271
Summer Howell was
just this sweet, angelic,

5448
03:52:55,375 --> 03:52:57,446
professional,
uh, little actress.

5449
03:52:57,549 --> 03:53:00,138
- I think she was probably 6 or 7.
- It was actually

5450
03:53:00,242 --> 03:53:03,314
my second audition ever,
so, I was very new to it.

5451
03:53:03,417 --> 03:53:05,419
And honestly, I was so young

5452
03:53:05,523 --> 03:53:09,527
and didn't know anything
about horror to begin with.

5453
03:53:09,630 --> 03:53:11,149
Never mind "Chucky."

5454
03:53:11,253 --> 03:53:13,173
So, I had no idea
what I was getting myself into.

5455
03:53:13,255 --> 03:53:15,222
Summer did
a really wonderful job.

5456
03:53:15,326 --> 03:53:17,569
She is an amazing little girl

5457
03:53:17,673 --> 03:53:19,502
that had so much depth
and maturity.

5458
03:53:19,606 --> 03:53:24,335
I just got to be myself and
a young kid excited to explore,

5459
03:53:24,438 --> 03:53:26,095
meet my new friend Chucky.

5460
03:53:26,199 --> 03:53:27,994
Great, let's get cooking.

5461
03:53:28,097 --> 03:53:30,134
Oh, dear God in heaven.
The chili scene.

5462
03:53:30,237 --> 03:53:32,446
Everybody's having dinner
and Don has a camera above

5463
03:53:32,550 --> 03:53:35,725
that is slowly moving
around the table.

5464
03:53:35,829 --> 03:53:40,282
That was a concept that I had
actually put into a script

5465
03:53:40,385 --> 03:53:43,561
I had written for this movie,
"Cellar Dweller."

5466
03:53:43,664 --> 03:53:46,012
It didn't make it
into "Cellar Dweller,"

5467
03:53:46,115 --> 03:53:47,979
so, I put it into
"Curse of Chucky."

5468
03:53:48,083 --> 03:53:49,532
The rotating, of course,

5469
03:53:49,636 --> 03:53:51,131
was the hardest part,
because we had barely

5470
03:53:51,155 --> 03:53:52,546
enough room to get
all the equipment

5471
03:53:52,570 --> 03:53:54,296
and lenses and all the stuff
up there.

5472
03:53:54,399 --> 03:53:57,057
And it visually evokes
the feeling of a gun barrel.

5473
03:53:57,161 --> 03:53:59,197
It's like Russian roulette
with chili.

5474
03:53:59,301 --> 03:54:01,441
We spent a lot of time
shooting all that stuff.

5475
03:54:01,544 --> 03:54:03,305
I think that scene took
2 days to shoot.

5476
03:54:03,408 --> 03:54:06,653
And that had lots of footage.

5477
03:54:06,756 --> 03:54:08,379
And lots of choices.

5478
03:54:08,482 --> 03:54:15,041
He creates this
agonizing slow burn of... of...

5479
03:54:15,144 --> 03:54:17,457
- "Where is the poison?"
- He, you know,

5480
03:54:17,560 --> 03:54:19,286
put all those false flags
in there

5481
03:54:19,390 --> 03:54:20,977
to make you think
it was the girl

5482
03:54:21,081 --> 03:54:22,703
- or it was... it was Brennan.
- Yeah.

5483
03:54:22,807 --> 03:54:25,088
I felt like I was in a Hitchcock
movie for a moment there.

5484
03:54:25,120 --> 03:54:26,362
That's the stuff that...

5485
03:54:26,466 --> 03:54:28,675
that gives the kills
more of a payoff.

5486
03:54:28,778 --> 03:54:30,458
Though, in the first second,
you're going,

5487
03:54:30,504 --> 03:54:31,964
"Well, who gets this?"
Then, you realize, "Okay,

5488
03:54:31,988 --> 03:54:33,507
obviously,
A Martinez's character."

5489
03:54:33,611 --> 03:54:35,313
We're waiting for the bead
of sweat to appear

5490
03:54:35,337 --> 03:54:39,548
on Father Frank's forehead.

5491
03:54:39,651 --> 03:54:41,791
I've died many times,
and this was my favorite,

5492
03:54:41,895 --> 03:54:46,969
because I think it's just
the most, um, indelible.

5493
03:54:47,073 --> 03:54:48,798
He's my sponsor.

5494
03:54:48,902 --> 03:54:51,062
Stanton, you're gonna need
a drink after you see this.

5495
03:54:51,111 --> 03:54:53,665
When I first started working
with A Martinez, there's this...

5496
03:54:53,769 --> 03:54:56,427
The star power that
kind of radiates off of him.

5497
03:54:56,530 --> 03:54:59,010
I think for Officer Stanton, he
was a lot like I was, actually.

5498
03:54:59,085 --> 03:55:00,752
Uh, he wasn't really sure
what he was doing.

5499
03:55:00,776 --> 03:55:02,536
This was the film
where I learned the lesson

5500
03:55:02,640 --> 03:55:05,263
that you do not
do makeup effects

5501
03:55:05,367 --> 03:55:07,472
and animatronic effects
on the same show,

5502
03:55:07,576 --> 03:55:11,304
or else your head will explode.

5503
03:55:11,407 --> 03:55:13,651
First time, the blood
squirted too intensely.

5504
03:55:13,754 --> 03:55:15,653
It was comic, you know,
once my head came off,

5505
03:55:15,756 --> 03:55:17,655
there was a geyser of blood
coming out

5506
03:55:17,758 --> 03:55:19,105
that was inappropriate.

5507
03:55:19,208 --> 03:55:20,658
It was a little
over pressurized,

5508
03:55:20,761 --> 03:55:23,454
and so, the jet of blood
went way up in the air,

5509
03:55:23,557 --> 03:55:25,352
and it took out
the B camera crew,

5510
03:55:25,456 --> 03:55:28,217
who were not prepared for a jet
of blood, like 40 ft away.

5511
03:55:28,321 --> 03:55:31,255
Just erupted on everything
and everyone.

5512
03:55:31,358 --> 03:55:33,153
The camera was soaked.
We were soaked.

5513
03:55:33,257 --> 03:55:36,052
Luckily, the second
take worked fine,

5514
03:55:36,156 --> 03:55:39,435
and that's the one we used.

5515
03:55:39,539 --> 03:55:41,334
- His death was great.
- And you're like,

5516
03:55:41,437 --> 03:55:43,508
"Is that how they do that?
That's incredible."

5517
03:55:45,165 --> 03:55:46,339
Need a hand?

5518
03:55:46,442 --> 03:55:47,882
Now, let's talk
about Barb and Jill.

5519
03:55:47,926 --> 03:55:50,688
You introduce the hot
young nanny in the mix.

5520
03:55:50,791 --> 03:55:53,346
I thought it was really cool
that you assumed,

5521
03:55:53,449 --> 03:55:57,453
based on stereotypes,
that it's Ian and the nanny.

5522
03:55:57,557 --> 03:55:59,904
Actually, no. The mom's
having an affair with her.

5523
03:56:00,007 --> 03:56:04,253
The red herring that is my
secret love affair with Jill.

5524
03:56:04,357 --> 03:56:05,979
The nanny.

5525
03:56:06,082 --> 03:56:07,636
The twist with the nanny

5526
03:56:07,739 --> 03:56:09,899
was one of my favorite things
about reading the script.

5527
03:56:09,948 --> 03:56:15,609
I was like, "Oh, how is this?
Whoa! They made out."

5528
03:56:15,713 --> 03:56:17,163
Whoa! It's Barb!

5529
03:56:17,266 --> 03:56:19,199
And I remember
Danielle and Maitland

5530
03:56:19,303 --> 03:56:21,615
were, uh, were...
were laughing about it,

5531
03:56:21,719 --> 03:56:23,272
and we're really excited
to shoot it.

5532
03:56:23,376 --> 03:56:24,976
I mean, you see
how juicy her lips look.

5533
03:56:25,067 --> 03:56:27,138
We made sure we had
our little...

5534
03:56:27,242 --> 03:56:29,485
our little breath mint
beforehand.

5535
03:56:29,589 --> 03:56:31,808
What were Don's words, at
one point, he... he tries to put

5536
03:56:31,832 --> 03:56:34,766
a little bit more gay
in every... in every movie.

5537
03:56:34,870 --> 03:56:36,527
Like, at this point,
I felt like, "Okay,

5538
03:56:36,630 --> 03:56:38,425
we're the... we're the
gay horror franchise,

5539
03:56:38,529 --> 03:56:40,324
so we've got to do it somehow."

5540
03:56:40,427 --> 03:56:42,049
Coming.

5541
03:56:42,153 --> 03:56:45,984
I had initially even, I think,
toyed with the idea of maybe...

5542
03:56:46,088 --> 03:56:47,779
maybe making Nica gay.

5543
03:56:47,883 --> 03:56:49,540
One thing I love
about "Child's Play"

5544
03:56:49,643 --> 03:56:53,785
is that it... it... it has this
LGBT theme throughout it

5545
03:56:53,889 --> 03:56:59,515
and doesn't shy away from it
and has fun with it.

5546
03:56:59,619 --> 03:57:03,347
And then, Chucky
takes both of them out.

5547
03:57:03,450 --> 03:57:07,005
He just dumps over the water,
and that's it.

5548
03:57:07,109 --> 03:57:08,490
I knew she was a hot number,

5549
03:57:08,593 --> 03:57:12,045
but I didn't know, like,
that she was electric.

5550
03:57:12,148 --> 03:57:16,118
Too soon. Is it too soon?

5551
03:57:16,222 --> 03:57:19,190
Oh.

5552
03:57:19,294 --> 03:57:21,675
When Danielle goes
into the attic,

5553
03:57:21,779 --> 03:57:24,126
and she sees
the Chucky doll there,

5554
03:57:24,230 --> 03:57:25,793
and she looks at it,
she's staring at it,

5555
03:57:25,817 --> 03:57:27,450
and you're so scared
he's going to jump out

5556
03:57:27,474 --> 03:57:28,934
- and do something.
- But then, of course,

5557
03:57:28,958 --> 03:57:29,994
I find the butcher knife.

5558
03:57:31,892 --> 03:57:33,929
It was like half of Chucky

5559
03:57:34,032 --> 03:57:36,518
and half of me and the blade.

5560
03:57:36,621 --> 03:57:41,350
It's so iconic and so beautiful.

5561
03:57:41,454 --> 03:57:45,665
She is peeling, you know,
his little makeup appliances

5562
03:57:45,768 --> 03:57:48,702
that he's put on
to hide his stitches,

5563
03:57:48,806 --> 03:57:51,809
so that he can present
as adorable.

5564
03:57:51,912 --> 03:57:54,950
Scar Chucky is disguised
as the Good Guy.

5565
03:57:55,053 --> 03:57:58,264
He's got a... a sort of
a prosthetic face on,

5566
03:57:58,367 --> 03:58:02,268
how Chucky learned prosthetics,
I don't know.

5567
03:58:02,371 --> 03:58:03,786
This is the iconic Chucky

5568
03:58:03,890 --> 03:58:06,617
coming back
to wreak havoc once more.

5569
03:58:06,720 --> 03:58:09,344
His need to dominate,
his need to get revenge,

5570
03:58:09,447 --> 03:58:11,622
or his need to murder somebody

5571
03:58:11,725 --> 03:58:15,108
is actually so entrenched
in himself

5572
03:58:15,211 --> 03:58:18,249
that... that he...
that he will go

5573
03:58:18,353 --> 03:58:19,940
to the lengths that he goes to.

5574
03:58:20,044 --> 03:58:22,529
We sort of took that story
point and had some fun with it,

5575
03:58:22,633 --> 03:58:24,462
and did sort of like
a plastic surgery

5576
03:58:24,566 --> 03:58:28,777
sort of vibe to the mouth,
and the fans hated it.

5577
03:58:28,880 --> 03:58:30,824
They were just like, "Chucky
doesn't look like Chucky."

5578
03:58:30,848 --> 03:58:33,644
And it's like, he's got
a skin over his skin.

5579
03:58:33,747 --> 03:58:35,991
And here's a little hint
that something's wrong.

5580
03:58:36,094 --> 03:58:39,339
But, uh, in hindsight,
I think we went too far with it.

5581
03:58:39,443 --> 03:58:40,892
I think we had too much fun.

5582
03:58:40,996 --> 03:58:43,930
And out of nowhere,
Chucky just comes up and...

5583
03:58:45,759 --> 03:58:47,565
Even though, I've seen it
a million times, I still jump.

5584
03:58:47,589 --> 03:58:49,556
I may have wet my pants
just a little bit.

5585
03:58:49,660 --> 03:58:51,903
And then, her payoff
was she got stabbed in the head.

5586
03:58:53,526 --> 03:58:55,942
Enucleation is what
that's called.

5587
03:58:56,045 --> 03:58:58,289
You know, removing of an eye.

5588
03:58:58,393 --> 03:59:00,498
It's very disturbing, a little,

5589
03:59:00,602 --> 03:59:03,536
I guess, a little homage
to "Eyes of Laura Mars,"

5590
03:59:03,639 --> 03:59:05,469
and if not boon, well.

5591
03:59:05,572 --> 03:59:07,263
It was literally just
a dummy head

5592
03:59:07,367 --> 03:59:08,920
with a knife and an alignment,

5593
03:59:09,024 --> 03:59:11,060
so, it would go into the eye
in the right place.

5594
03:59:11,164 --> 03:59:12,165
And then,

5595
03:59:12,268 --> 03:59:14,098
popped out of my skull,

5596
03:59:14,201 --> 03:59:16,031
and then,
tumbling down the stairs.

5597
03:59:17,446 --> 03:59:18,965
And more time was spent
trying to get

5598
03:59:19,068 --> 03:59:20,415
- that eyeball...
- Action.

5599
03:59:20,518 --> 03:59:21,968
...to bounce down the stairs.

5600
03:59:22,071 --> 03:59:27,180
In the perfect place
for Chucky to squash.

5601
03:59:27,283 --> 03:59:28,423
It was a process,

5602
03:59:28,526 --> 03:59:30,804
uh, that was disgusting.

5603
03:59:30,908 --> 03:59:33,497
Oh, my God.

5604
03:59:33,600 --> 03:59:37,017
- Nica, what have you done?
- My big death scene.

5605
03:59:37,121 --> 03:59:40,193
On paper, it didn't give it
justice to the day I was there.

5606
03:59:40,296 --> 03:59:41,505
I was like, "You're serious?

5607
03:59:41,608 --> 03:59:42,930
This is the way
we're going to do it."

5608
03:59:42,954 --> 03:59:44,234
We did it.
You know, old school.

5609
03:59:44,300 --> 03:59:45,647
It was really fun to plan.

5610
03:59:45,750 --> 03:59:48,995
Say hi to the little woman
for me.

5611
03:59:49,098 --> 03:59:50,617
No, not the face!

5612
03:59:50,721 --> 03:59:53,793
- That's his moneymaker!
- How could you do it?

5613
03:59:53,896 --> 03:59:55,035
He's so pretty.

5614
03:59:55,139 --> 03:59:57,555
It was going to involve
the very simple reversal

5615
03:59:57,659 --> 03:59:58,970
of the camera thing.

5616
03:59:59,074 --> 04:00:01,663
Then, we cut to a dummy head
of Brennan

5617
04:00:01,766 --> 04:00:03,285
with a jaw that was removable.

5618
04:00:03,389 --> 04:00:04,989
We did the head cast,
which was awesome.

5619
04:00:05,080 --> 04:00:07,807
I wanted his mouth open wide
and see his tongue.

5620
04:00:07,910 --> 04:00:11,224
When the ax came down,
the jaw could be pulled away,

5621
04:00:11,327 --> 04:00:14,020
and then, all the blood tubing
would start to spurt.

5622
04:00:14,123 --> 04:00:17,851
It just went flawless, and I
think we got it the first time.

5623
04:00:19,646 --> 04:00:21,590
- It worked like a charm.
- I've had people stop me

5624
04:00:21,614 --> 04:00:23,029
in airports being like,

5625
04:00:23,132 --> 04:00:24,893
"That's like the best Chucky
death scene."

5626
04:00:24,996 --> 04:00:27,240
Like, because it...
it really looks really real.

5627
04:00:29,069 --> 04:00:30,761
I personally thought it was
cool that Nica

5628
04:00:30,864 --> 04:00:33,384
was in a wheelchair,
it was actually sort of a weapon

5629
04:00:33,488 --> 04:00:35,524
- in her hands.
- At different points,

5630
04:00:35,628 --> 04:00:37,457
it ended up being an advantage.

5631
04:00:37,561 --> 04:00:39,201
Especially, seeing people
in wheelchairs,

5632
04:00:39,286 --> 04:00:42,876
and the way that that device
has been used, uh, in horror.

5633
04:00:42,980 --> 04:00:44,982
Um, we can think of characters
like Franklin

5634
04:00:45,085 --> 04:00:46,639
in "The Texas
Chainsaw Massacre,"

5635
04:00:46,742 --> 04:00:48,054
even "Dream Warriors."

5636
04:00:48,157 --> 04:00:50,194
We have a character
who is in a wheelchair,

5637
04:00:50,297 --> 04:00:54,129
and... and it's also that thing
where they are designed

5638
04:00:54,232 --> 04:00:56,303
to be weaker
and to be victims.

5639
04:00:56,407 --> 04:00:58,789
And this movie very smartly

5640
04:00:58,892 --> 04:01:00,515
decides, no, no, no, this...

5641
04:01:00,618 --> 04:01:02,896
this character can more
than fend for herself.

5642
04:01:03,000 --> 04:01:07,073
It's fun to see a final girl
who is other.

5643
04:01:07,176 --> 04:01:11,042
It's important, especially
for people who feel other

5644
04:01:11,146 --> 04:01:12,630
in any way, shape, or form.

5645
04:01:12,734 --> 04:01:14,094
I would imagine,
much like myself,

5646
04:01:14,149 --> 04:01:16,910
seeing queer characters
in Don's films

5647
04:01:17,014 --> 04:01:20,396
that aren't portrayed
as victims or as weak

5648
04:01:20,500 --> 04:01:21,639
or, you know, freaks.

5649
04:01:21,743 --> 04:01:23,503
I would imagine
that for... for people,

5650
04:01:23,607 --> 04:01:25,298
especially people
who use wheelchairs,

5651
04:01:25,401 --> 04:01:26,920
that was really special.

5652
04:01:27,024 --> 04:01:28,657
I'm not saying that that had
never been done before.

5653
04:01:28,681 --> 04:01:30,890
But it still was fairly rare
at that point.

5654
04:01:30,993 --> 04:01:35,446
And I think it kind of
speaks to both

5655
04:01:35,550 --> 04:01:37,793
Mancini's originality

5656
04:01:37,897 --> 04:01:40,727
and kind of social
consciousness as a filmmaker.

5657
04:01:40,831 --> 04:01:42,695
She's faced such hardships.

5658
04:01:42,798 --> 04:01:44,662
Chucky can't destroy that.
You know?

5659
04:01:44,766 --> 04:01:46,215
You can put a hatchet
in my leg,

5660
04:01:46,319 --> 04:01:48,459
and it's not going to
take the fight out of me.

5661
04:01:55,190 --> 04:01:58,089
Fiona's near death
in the wheelchair over the edge.

5662
04:01:58,193 --> 04:02:01,023
That was a big moment.
It took a lot of planning.

5663
04:02:02,611 --> 04:02:05,476
So complicated,
but so amazing.

5664
04:02:05,580 --> 04:02:07,927
Charles. Come over here.

5665
04:02:08,030 --> 04:02:09,515
I want to introduce you
to someone.

5666
04:02:09,618 --> 04:02:12,794
The thing about, uh,
Charles Lee Ray,

5667
04:02:12,897 --> 04:02:16,763
he was different in the sense
that he became...

5668
04:02:16,867 --> 04:02:19,248
He became fascinated
with the family.

5669
04:02:19,352 --> 04:02:20,595
Hi, Daniel. Nice to meet you.

5670
04:02:20,698 --> 04:02:23,080
And this is Barbara.

5671
04:02:25,392 --> 04:02:28,257
It was very cool that my dad
got to be in person,

5672
04:02:28,361 --> 04:02:31,329
and also the studio
was very kind to fly him up

5673
04:02:31,433 --> 04:02:34,609
and let him stay an extra week,
so that he could see me work.

5674
04:02:34,712 --> 04:02:37,025
So, it was this,
like, really wonderful thing

5675
04:02:37,128 --> 04:02:40,200
for just the Dourifs
to get to finally work together.

5676
04:02:40,304 --> 04:02:42,030
You like 'em?

5677
04:02:42,133 --> 04:02:44,273
It was really cool for me
to be able to see

5678
04:02:44,377 --> 04:02:46,275
Charles Lee Ray
come back on set.

5679
04:02:46,379 --> 04:02:48,830
I think I found this
in the process of writing,

5680
04:02:48,933 --> 04:02:51,936
because, you know, any kind of
pressure cooker story like that

5681
04:02:52,040 --> 04:02:56,216
where you're dealing with
just a duration of a few hours,

5682
04:02:56,320 --> 04:02:58,564
you know, you want
to reveal secrets similar

5683
04:02:58,667 --> 04:03:00,358
to the Russian nesting
doll metaphor.

5684
04:03:00,462 --> 04:03:03,741
It's like an onion that you keep
peeling, or unpeeling rather.

5685
04:03:03,845 --> 04:03:06,744
I've always had a thing...

5686
04:03:06,848 --> 04:03:08,332
...for family.

5687
04:03:08,435 --> 04:03:11,991
It was cool to see him work
in it. He was so creepy.

5688
04:03:12,094 --> 04:03:14,545
I think it was fun for him
to... to...

5689
04:03:14,649 --> 04:03:15,857
to come back to a character

5690
04:03:15,960 --> 04:03:17,686
that he hasn't played
in a long time.

5691
04:03:17,790 --> 04:03:19,070
I didn't pay
that much attention

5692
04:03:19,136 --> 04:03:21,794
to really who he was
as a person.

5693
04:03:21,897 --> 04:03:23,485
I didn't make him specific.

5694
04:03:23,589 --> 04:03:25,936
I didn't worry about that,
I didn't even think about that,

5695
04:03:26,039 --> 04:03:30,699
which normally, I'm way
over the top on... on doing.

5696
04:03:30,803 --> 04:03:34,807
And now, you're
the last one standing.

5697
04:03:34,910 --> 04:03:36,325
It really is something

5698
04:03:36,429 --> 04:03:40,536
that, uh, is... is
a family legacy at this point.

5699
04:03:43,505 --> 04:03:46,404
There's this moment that I
wonder how many people clock

5700
04:03:46,508 --> 04:03:48,096
where I move my legs,

5701
04:03:48,199 --> 04:03:51,133
where I'm, like, crawling
as fast as I possibly can.

5702
04:03:51,237 --> 04:03:54,827
And then, I have to... I have
to make it into this elevator

5703
04:03:54,930 --> 04:03:56,598
and, like, move my legs
at the last minute.

5704
04:03:56,622 --> 04:03:58,082
I actually have to
for the scene to work

5705
04:03:58,106 --> 04:03:59,832
or we do it like
30 more times.

5706
04:03:59,935 --> 04:04:02,317
This is the 27th time we did it,
I... Every time I see it,

5707
04:04:02,420 --> 04:04:03,905
I'm like,
"Ah, does anybody...

5708
04:04:04,008 --> 04:04:07,909
Did anybody catch that
I moved my legs?"

5709
04:04:08,012 --> 04:04:10,014
You want to play,
motherfucker?

5710
04:04:10,118 --> 04:04:11,118
Let's play.

5711
04:04:11,153 --> 04:04:12,810
The moment that I love
the most

5712
04:04:12,914 --> 04:04:16,538
is when they're facing off
against each other.

5713
04:04:16,642 --> 04:04:17,919
And he's got his chin down,

5714
04:04:18,022 --> 04:04:19,662
and he's looking through
his brows at her.

5715
04:04:19,748 --> 04:04:22,026
Just such great lighting,
and it's so moody,

5716
04:04:22,130 --> 04:04:24,719
and it's so confrontational,

5717
04:04:24,822 --> 04:04:26,617
and... and, like,
really personal

5718
04:04:26,721 --> 04:04:28,584
and feels very emotional.

5719
04:04:30,483 --> 04:04:31,691
For that particular scene,

5720
04:04:31,795 --> 04:04:33,797
because I was screaming
the lines live,

5721
04:04:33,900 --> 04:04:36,213
I was able to look Fiona
right in the eye,

5722
04:04:36,316 --> 04:04:38,042
and she was looking at me
right in the eye

5723
04:04:38,146 --> 04:04:40,079
as I was attacking her
to kill her.

5724
04:04:40,182 --> 04:04:42,184
Frightening scene.

5725
04:04:42,288 --> 04:04:47,017
And it was one of my favorite
moments in the whole franchise.

5726
04:04:47,120 --> 04:04:49,467
We shot the courtroom scene
at the very end of the movie.

5727
04:04:49,571 --> 04:04:51,124
I think it was like
the last 2 days,

5728
04:04:51,228 --> 04:04:53,782
and Winnipeg had
just become freezing.

5729
04:04:53,886 --> 04:04:55,750
It was so cold.

5730
04:04:55,853 --> 04:04:57,234
Filming the courtroom
for "Curse"

5731
04:04:57,337 --> 04:04:58,822
was actually a lot of fun.

5732
04:04:58,925 --> 04:05:01,031
I think, we only had half a day
in a real courtroom.

5733
04:05:01,134 --> 04:05:05,173
We got, like, 150 background
actors to come and do it,

5734
04:05:05,276 --> 04:05:07,358
and everyone was really excited
to be around the doll.

5735
04:05:07,382 --> 04:05:08,902
Well, the first time
that I met Fiona,

5736
04:05:09,004 --> 04:05:10,523
I was incredibly intimidated.

5737
04:05:10,626 --> 04:05:11,835
She's the lead of this movie,

5738
04:05:11,938 --> 04:05:13,191
and she's also
incredibly beautiful.

5739
04:05:13,215 --> 04:05:14,872
So, I just sat there in silence,

5740
04:05:14,976 --> 04:05:17,323
and just pretended I was
in my own process as well.

5741
04:05:17,426 --> 04:05:19,266
But I was just sitting there
super intimidated.

5742
04:05:19,325 --> 04:05:21,810
I mean, he did
such a good job as the cop.

5743
04:05:21,914 --> 04:05:25,434
I thought he was, like,
so committed and... and real.

5744
04:05:28,679 --> 04:05:30,232
I really didn't even think
that Tiffany

5745
04:05:30,336 --> 04:05:31,578
was going to be in it.

5746
04:05:31,682 --> 04:05:33,108
So, I was very surprised
when he said,

5747
04:05:33,132 --> 04:05:34,961
"Hey, Jennifer,
we wrote a part for Tiffany

5748
04:05:35,065 --> 04:05:37,181
to come in at the end and you
want to come in and do it?"

5749
04:05:37,205 --> 04:05:38,896
And, of course, I was happy to.

5750
04:05:39,000 --> 04:05:42,279
I feel like I'm kind
of the mascot of the film.

5751
04:05:42,382 --> 04:05:45,040
The tag with Jennifer Tilly
made the movie.

5752
04:05:45,144 --> 04:05:46,939
She's indispensable
to this franchise.

5753
04:05:47,042 --> 04:05:49,873
When I got my throat slit
by, uh, by Jennifer Tilly there.

5754
04:05:49,976 --> 04:05:53,877
She was, uh, remarkably
calm about everything.

5755
04:05:53,980 --> 04:05:55,602
And I was like,
"I'm back. I'm back."

5756
04:05:55,706 --> 04:05:58,088
I made all these jokes, and
then Don's like, "Okay, yes,

5757
04:05:58,191 --> 04:06:00,953
but didn't anybody tell you
this is the scary 'Chucky' now?"

5758
04:06:01,056 --> 04:06:04,370
So, after I made all the crew
laugh and everything,

5759
04:06:04,473 --> 04:06:06,417
he's like, "Okay,
now can you just say the lines?"

5760
04:06:06,441 --> 04:06:08,857
That was like my first
inaugural kind of death

5761
04:06:08,961 --> 04:06:10,376
on screen, really,

5762
04:06:10,479 --> 04:06:12,309
that... that amounted
to any kind of blood.

5763
04:06:12,412 --> 04:06:15,450
And it was at the hands
of Jennifer and a nail file.

5764
04:06:15,553 --> 04:06:18,729
You know, when you have
the fancy dish at the restaurant

5765
04:06:18,833 --> 04:06:20,524
and the food
is in the middle,

5766
04:06:20,627 --> 04:06:23,389
and then there's little happy
dribbles of color around it.

5767
04:06:23,492 --> 04:06:30,492
That's what Tiffany
is in "Curse of Chucky."

5768
04:06:30,672 --> 04:06:32,053
Chucky, you found me.

5769
04:06:32,156 --> 04:06:33,709
Chucky, going into the child

5770
04:06:33,813 --> 04:06:36,747
opens up a whole new world

5771
04:06:36,851 --> 04:06:38,784
about what Chucky can do.

5772
04:06:38,887 --> 04:06:41,200
I hadn't seen the doll
with the scars

5773
04:06:41,303 --> 04:06:43,996
and moving and his mouth open.

5774
04:06:44,099 --> 04:06:46,722
So, that combination,
I was not having it.

5775
04:06:46,826 --> 04:06:48,207
She was scared of that doll.

5776
04:06:48,310 --> 04:06:50,450
She was very frightened
of Chucky and his face.

5777
04:06:50,554 --> 04:06:52,107
I mean, she was very young.

5778
04:06:52,211 --> 04:06:55,352
And this doll obviously,
it can... it can be traumatic

5779
04:06:55,455 --> 04:06:57,216
- when you first meet it.
- Don, of course,

5780
04:06:57,319 --> 04:06:59,701
was very sensitive of Summer
being afraid of the doll.

5781
04:06:59,805 --> 04:07:01,910
We did hide his face, uh,

5782
04:07:02,014 --> 04:07:03,567
for her to get through
those scenes.

5783
04:07:03,670 --> 04:07:06,432
I was embarrassed that
I couldn't, like, do the scene,

5784
04:07:06,535 --> 04:07:10,022
but they put a paper towel
roll on his stick head,

5785
04:07:10,125 --> 04:07:11,678
and they drew
a smiley face on it.

5786
04:07:11,782 --> 04:07:14,889
We put a wig on it, and that
was Chucky for something

5787
04:07:14,992 --> 04:07:16,545
that she had to interact with,

5788
04:07:16,649 --> 04:07:19,755
so that she didn't have to deal
with the actual puppet.

5789
04:07:19,859 --> 04:07:21,274
- Package for you.
- Really?

5790
04:07:21,378 --> 04:07:24,968
Don was very keen
to bring Alex Vincent back.

5791
04:07:25,071 --> 04:07:28,385
He really thought that
it would be a great idea.

5792
04:07:28,488 --> 04:07:29,731
And the studio was like,

5793
04:07:29,835 --> 04:07:31,284
"Who should we cast
as Andy Barclay?"

5794
04:07:31,388 --> 04:07:34,943
And Don was like,
"Well, Andy Barclay, of course."

5795
04:07:35,047 --> 04:07:36,738
He wanted to cast Alex Vincent.

5796
04:07:36,842 --> 04:07:40,155
And the studio said, "Well,
hasn't... he hasn't really acted

5797
04:07:40,259 --> 04:07:43,400
in 30 years," Don insisted.

5798
04:07:43,503 --> 04:07:44,711
It must be my lucky day.

5799
04:07:44,815 --> 04:07:46,368
So, when I got
the call from him

5800
04:07:46,472 --> 04:07:49,751
that he basically got
the green light from the studio

5801
04:07:49,855 --> 04:07:53,617
to go ahead with his idea
to bring me back,

5802
04:07:53,720 --> 04:07:54,998
uh, it was thrilling for me.

5803
04:07:55,101 --> 04:07:56,551
And when he came out
on the screen

5804
04:07:56,654 --> 04:08:00,762
when I was in the theater,
the fans went wild.

5805
04:08:00,866 --> 04:08:02,350
They loved, loved,

5806
04:08:02,453 --> 04:08:05,801
loved that it was
the original Andy Barclay.

5807
04:08:05,905 --> 04:08:07,182
It made it more real.

5808
04:08:07,286 --> 04:08:09,529
I got to work with Don
directing me

5809
04:08:09,633 --> 04:08:11,221
for the first time ever.

5810
04:08:11,324 --> 04:08:13,050
Oh. Hi, mom. How you doing?

5811
04:08:13,154 --> 04:08:15,363
Don had a couple of things
that he wanted me to say

5812
04:08:15,466 --> 04:08:19,091
in that, you know, which,
like, uh, "How's Mike doing?"

5813
04:08:19,194 --> 04:08:21,058
I had no idea that Mike

5814
04:08:21,162 --> 04:08:24,165
makes a, uh,
referral appearance.

5815
04:08:24,268 --> 04:08:26,201
And I'm very proud of the fact

5816
04:08:26,305 --> 04:08:28,755
that he's still kind of
alive and around.

5817
04:08:28,859 --> 04:08:31,897
God, it's great.
I hope they're together.

5818
04:08:32,000 --> 04:08:34,520
Also, I kept it a secret
and lied to fans

5819
04:08:34,623 --> 04:08:36,729
for an entire year for that.

5820
04:08:36,832 --> 04:08:39,663
- Play with this.
- Andy.

5821
04:08:41,078 --> 04:08:42,459
Filming on "Curse of Chucky"

5822
04:08:42,562 --> 04:08:45,117
wrapped and seemed
to work like a charm.

5823
04:08:45,220 --> 04:08:48,844
Post-production began
immediately with a conversation

5824
04:08:48,948 --> 04:08:50,501
between Don Mancini

5825
04:08:50,605 --> 04:08:53,401
and a composer with
some serious horror pedigree.

5826
04:08:53,504 --> 04:08:56,024
Working with Joe LoDuca
is a dream come true.

5827
04:08:56,128 --> 04:08:58,440
I love the first
three "Evil Dead" films.

5828
04:09:00,235 --> 04:09:04,308
I was introduced to
Don Mancini, um, by my agent.

5829
04:09:04,412 --> 04:09:06,276
Now, impresario, Richard Kraft.

5830
04:09:06,379 --> 04:09:09,555
Richard, uh, suggested Joe,
because he represented him,

5831
04:09:09,658 --> 04:09:12,730
and he knew that I would go,
"Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Yes."

5832
04:09:12,834 --> 04:09:14,215
When I saw the film,
I remembered

5833
04:09:14,318 --> 04:09:18,012
from Saturday morning
television a B-movie

5834
04:09:18,115 --> 04:09:20,738
called "Lady in a Cage,"
and I brought that reference

5835
04:09:20,842 --> 04:09:22,223
up to Don, and he said,

5836
04:09:22,326 --> 04:09:24,166
"That's where I got the idea
for the elevator."

5837
04:09:24,259 --> 04:09:26,020
For the "Curse of Chucky"
score,

5838
04:09:26,123 --> 04:09:28,574
it had to be
an all-electronic score,

5839
04:09:28,677 --> 04:09:31,266
because we couldn't afford
an orchestra on this movie.

5840
04:09:31,370 --> 04:09:33,406
The first thing that came
to mind for me

5841
04:09:33,510 --> 04:09:36,237
was to have sort of
a demented jingle,

5842
04:09:36,340 --> 04:09:38,964
because Chucky's a toy,
it's a toy doll.

5843
04:09:39,067 --> 04:09:42,864
Um, and I wrote it on
a toy piano.

5844
04:09:42,968 --> 04:09:46,143
I, uh, adorned it
with a "Chucky" sticker.

5845
04:09:46,247 --> 04:09:49,802
I loved the "Chucky" theme
that he composed.

5846
04:09:56,533 --> 04:10:01,055
I love him to death,
and I love working with him.

5847
04:10:01,158 --> 04:10:04,817
Something like that.

5848
04:10:04,920 --> 04:10:06,336
Originally, "Curse of Chucky"

5849
04:10:06,439 --> 04:10:08,752
had the little girl
killed right off the bat

5850
04:10:08,855 --> 04:10:10,443
In the script,

5851
04:10:10,547 --> 04:10:13,653
and my director's cut,
Alice gets killed.

5852
04:10:13,757 --> 04:10:17,347
It was the first on screen
kill that you saw.

5853
04:10:17,450 --> 04:10:20,143
It was one of the more
creepy, uh, scenes for me,

5854
04:10:20,246 --> 04:10:23,387
because, well, in horror,
they go all out,

5855
04:10:23,491 --> 04:10:26,252
so, they have like thunder
outside the window

5856
04:10:26,356 --> 04:10:28,220
and fake rain and lightning.

5857
04:10:28,323 --> 04:10:30,360
- That's where she says...
- Chucky. I'm scared.

5858
04:10:30,463 --> 04:10:32,441
For the first time, he comes
to life, and he says,

5859
04:10:32,465 --> 04:10:34,467
"You fucking should be,"
originally,

5860
04:10:34,571 --> 04:10:39,300
what happens is then you cut to
outside what we call, the tent,

5861
04:10:39,403 --> 04:10:42,199
and you just see the silhouette
of, you know, going,

5862
04:10:42,303 --> 04:10:44,615
and then, blood go,.

5863
04:10:44,719 --> 04:10:47,929
So, it's all very stylized
and abstract.

5864
04:10:48,033 --> 04:10:49,413
I blocked it out as a kid

5865
04:10:49,517 --> 04:10:52,175
and I just did it and it...
it looked great.

5866
04:10:52,278 --> 04:10:56,248
But while we were in
post-production, um,

5867
04:10:56,351 --> 04:10:58,284
there was another shooting.

5868
04:10:58,388 --> 04:11:02,254
There was some massacre
where kids had gotten killed.

5869
04:11:02,357 --> 04:11:05,188
So, Universal became
concerned about that.

5870
04:11:05,291 --> 04:11:07,328
So, we just needed
to revamp things,

5871
04:11:07,431 --> 04:11:09,606
so that that character survived.

5872
04:11:09,709 --> 04:11:12,678
We had to, uh,
recut to get the girl

5873
04:11:12,781 --> 04:11:14,887
not killed and, you know,
put her in a closet

5874
04:11:14,990 --> 04:11:16,302
and come back later
or whatever.

5875
04:11:16,406 --> 04:11:17,935
In the end,
they settled on me being locked

5876
04:11:17,959 --> 04:11:19,581
in a closet by Chucky.

5877
04:11:19,685 --> 04:11:21,135
That's what I was told

5878
04:11:21,238 --> 04:11:23,344
that he just hid me away
until the end of the movie.

5879
04:11:23,447 --> 04:11:27,175
So, yeah,
I was just chilling in a closet.

5880
04:11:27,279 --> 04:11:30,213
"Curse of Chucky" was
the first film in the franchise

5881
04:11:30,316 --> 04:11:33,250
to be released straight
to video, store shelves,

5882
04:11:33,354 --> 04:11:36,081
home televisions,
and even the cast and crew

5883
04:11:36,184 --> 04:11:38,704
were put under Chucky's
latest spell

5884
04:11:38,807 --> 04:11:41,465
on August 2nd, 2013.

5885
04:11:41,569 --> 04:11:43,536
The studio was
incredibly pleased.

5886
04:11:43,640 --> 04:11:46,332
I don't think they realized
quite what they had

5887
04:11:46,436 --> 04:11:47,989
till they released it,

5888
04:11:48,093 --> 04:11:51,234
and then just the response
was enormous.

5889
04:11:51,337 --> 04:11:53,167
It came out really,
really well.

5890
04:11:53,270 --> 04:11:55,134
The "Curse of Chucky"

5891
04:11:55,238 --> 04:11:57,447
got the best reviews
of the franchise

5892
04:11:57,550 --> 04:12:00,243
really, since the first one,
I think,

5893
04:12:00,346 --> 04:12:02,383
and to a certain degree,
rightfully so.

5894
04:12:02,486 --> 04:12:04,626
Because it's a really,
really good movie.

5895
04:12:04,730 --> 04:12:07,284
The reviews were really good,
and the movie was successful.

5896
04:12:07,388 --> 04:12:10,045
Given the big swings that...
that you...

5897
04:12:10,149 --> 04:12:12,565
are... are happening
in "Bride" and "Seed,"

5898
04:12:12,669 --> 04:12:15,120
there is something
about taking it all back

5899
04:12:15,223 --> 04:12:17,225
to basics
that feels refreshing.

5900
04:12:17,329 --> 04:12:19,158
"Curse of Chucky"

5901
04:12:19,262 --> 04:12:21,747
is a strangely beautiful movie
in a way.

5902
04:12:21,850 --> 04:12:23,966
Even though, it's... it's
horror, and there are shocks

5903
04:12:23,990 --> 04:12:27,270
and twists and turns
and crazies all over the place.

5904
04:12:27,373 --> 04:12:29,479
I think that that
sort of haunted beauty

5905
04:12:29,582 --> 04:12:31,205
of the music sticks with me.

5906
04:12:31,308 --> 04:12:34,000
I got to do
a classic horror movie

5907
04:12:34,104 --> 04:12:36,693
and do it with a classic,
iconic character.

5908
04:12:36,796 --> 04:12:38,315
I'm very proud and proud

5909
04:12:38,419 --> 04:12:40,283
in all the things
that it can possibly mean.

5910
04:12:40,386 --> 04:12:42,112
It was an artistic achievement,

5911
04:12:42,216 --> 04:12:43,538
because you got asked
to do something,

5912
04:12:43,562 --> 04:12:45,736
to be part
of the cultural references.

5913
04:12:45,840 --> 04:12:48,118
You get to be part
of the modern culture,

5914
04:12:48,222 --> 04:12:49,637
and that's the ultimate reward.

5915
04:12:49,740 --> 04:12:51,501
I had a lot of fun.

5916
04:12:51,604 --> 04:12:53,503
I met a lot of good people.

5917
04:12:53,606 --> 04:12:56,333
It was just, all in all,
a really wonderful experience.

5918
04:12:56,437 --> 04:12:59,336
I'm proud to be a part of it,
but it was well received,

5919
04:12:59,440 --> 04:13:01,580
because it's a really
well-made movie.

5920
04:13:01,683 --> 04:13:03,513
Everything about it
is up to snuff.

5921
04:13:03,616 --> 04:13:06,378
I got to say, I'm really glad
that I got asked.

5922
04:13:06,481 --> 04:13:08,241
It was an honor to be
a part of that project

5923
04:13:08,276 --> 04:13:09,933
and be a part
of the "Chucky" universe,

5924
04:13:10,036 --> 04:13:11,842
and just really honored and
proud to have been a part of it.

5925
04:13:11,866 --> 04:13:13,786
It is a little bit like being
in a time capsule,

5926
04:13:13,833 --> 04:13:16,284
because I'm the sixth
in the tapestry

5927
04:13:16,388 --> 04:13:18,597
of this beautiful
horror franchise,

5928
04:13:18,700 --> 04:13:21,703
and the moment
where it returned to its roots

5929
04:13:21,807 --> 04:13:24,189
and such an iconic moment
that the fans loved.

5930
04:13:24,292 --> 04:13:26,743
And so, I felt really lucky
to be a part

5931
04:13:26,846 --> 04:13:28,365
of that particular story.

5932
04:13:28,469 --> 04:13:32,542
It was so fun,
and I'm so grateful

5933
04:13:32,645 --> 04:13:37,202
that it was my first role,
and the people were so amazing,

5934
04:13:37,305 --> 04:13:39,549
and I got to work
with such amazing actors

5935
04:13:39,652 --> 04:13:42,931
and learn from them, and learned
that I really loved acting

5936
04:13:43,035 --> 04:13:44,312
and I wanted to pursue it.

5937
04:13:44,416 --> 04:13:46,659
So, thank you "Curse of Chucky."

5938
04:13:46,763 --> 04:13:48,489
I love being a part of
"Curse of Chucky,"

5939
04:13:48,592 --> 04:13:50,698
because that's the moment
where I realized

5940
04:13:50,801 --> 04:13:54,391
that Don was never going to
relegate me to the dustbin,

5941
04:13:54,495 --> 04:13:56,566
and I felt like I was sort of
his good luck charm,

5942
04:13:56,669 --> 04:13:59,396
and that he was going to put me
in everything from then on.

5943
04:13:59,500 --> 04:14:03,193
"Curse" really worked,
a really brilliant way

5944
04:14:03,297 --> 04:14:05,575
of reinventing the franchise.

5945
04:14:05,678 --> 04:14:09,234
"Curse of Chucky"
was a wild ride

5946
04:14:09,337 --> 04:14:10,752
I got to make with somebody

5947
04:14:10,856 --> 04:14:12,996
who ended up being
one of my closest friends.

5948
04:14:13,099 --> 04:14:19,520
I feel really lucky to have been
accepted into the franchise.

5949
04:14:19,623 --> 04:14:23,248
It's, I think, probably
my second favorite movie

5950
04:14:23,351 --> 04:14:25,595
of all of them,
"Bride" being first.

5951
04:14:25,698 --> 04:14:29,495
Both movies were successful
reinventions of the franchise,

5952
04:14:29,599 --> 04:14:32,705
and I also think that "Curse"
looks very beautiful.

5953
04:14:32,809 --> 04:14:35,087
And so, I felt redeemed
as a director

5954
04:14:35,190 --> 04:14:36,502
in that way after "Seed."

5955
04:14:36,606 --> 04:14:37,986
My word would be pride

5956
04:14:38,090 --> 04:14:40,920
to be involved in...
in a film

5957
04:14:41,024 --> 04:14:45,580
that looks like this film
does in every sense of the word,

5958
04:14:45,684 --> 04:14:48,721
from Don's direction
to production design

5959
04:14:48,825 --> 04:14:51,793
to Tony Gardner's work,
the actors, and again,

5960
04:14:51,897 --> 04:14:55,763
Don subverted... subverting
an audience's expectations.

5961
04:14:55,866 --> 04:14:57,558
I wonder if Dee Snider
liked it.

5962
04:14:57,661 --> 04:15:04,661
It's a doll.
Step on it. It's over.

5963
04:15:14,437 --> 04:15:16,887
After six films
over four decades,

5964
04:15:16,991 --> 04:15:20,339
Chucky's reign of terror
didn't just continue.

5965
04:15:20,443 --> 04:15:22,721
It thrived,
the next logical step

5966
04:15:22,824 --> 04:15:26,518
in the evolution
of the franchise, start a cult.

5967
04:15:26,621 --> 04:15:28,278
"Curse" landed, you know,

5968
04:15:28,382 --> 04:15:30,004
pretty successfully,
pretty quickly.

5969
04:15:30,107 --> 04:15:33,628
So, the studio certainly wanted
to do it immediately.

5970
04:15:33,732 --> 04:15:36,148
It was one of their
biggest successes

5971
04:15:36,251 --> 04:15:37,770
that division has ever had.

5972
04:15:37,874 --> 04:15:41,360
And Glenn Ross wanted to do
another "Chucky" film,

5973
04:15:41,464 --> 04:15:43,086
which was exciting.

5974
04:15:43,189 --> 04:15:46,503
I was not surprised to get
the call for "Cult of Chucky,"

5975
04:15:46,607 --> 04:15:51,266
because at that point,
Fiona and Don Mancini

5976
04:15:51,370 --> 04:15:53,648
were fast, fast friends.

5977
04:15:53,752 --> 04:15:56,789
Don wants you to explore
another universe of taking Nica

5978
04:15:56,893 --> 04:15:59,516
into the world
of a mental facility.

5979
04:15:59,620 --> 04:16:04,349
Let's dive into
the psycho ward subgenre

5980
04:16:04,452 --> 04:16:09,733
and have Chucky interact
with people who... who...

5981
04:16:09,837 --> 04:16:14,255
Their own relationship
to reality is not necessarily

5982
04:16:14,359 --> 04:16:15,739
well-tethered.

5983
04:16:15,843 --> 04:16:17,603
I mean, what a great place
for people to say

5984
04:16:17,672 --> 04:16:19,409
"A doll is talking to me,"
I mean, of course,

5985
04:16:19,433 --> 04:16:20,779
who's going to believe them?

5986
04:16:20,882 --> 04:16:22,402
I wanted to aesthetically
do something

5987
04:16:22,470 --> 04:16:23,723
- very different.
- Before it would

5988
04:16:23,747 --> 04:16:25,956
have been Gothic
and... and Victorian.

5989
04:16:26,060 --> 04:16:29,097
This, he wanted clean,
modern lines.

5990
04:16:29,201 --> 04:16:31,962
Let's make everything
bright and make it almost,

5991
04:16:32,066 --> 04:16:37,382
like, black and white in color
and very about angularity.

5992
04:16:37,485 --> 04:16:39,522
And you have all of
these characters

5993
04:16:39,625 --> 04:16:41,903
with lots of different
issues and personalities.

5994
04:16:42,007 --> 04:16:46,943
And... And Don is the conductor
of this choir of bizarre people.

5995
04:16:47,046 --> 04:16:50,360
And throw a killer doll
into that mix.

5996
04:16:50,464 --> 04:16:55,883
And there's just the havoc that
is... that is created from that.

5997
04:16:55,986 --> 04:16:59,507
A new story cemented in
the halls of a mental hospital

5998
04:16:59,611 --> 04:17:02,545
signaled it was time
to get committed

5999
04:17:02,648 --> 04:17:05,306
to a fantastic
cast and crew.

6000
04:17:05,410 --> 04:17:06,652
I wasn't surprised

6001
04:17:06,756 --> 04:17:08,654
to hear "Cult"
was going to happen.

6002
04:17:08,758 --> 04:17:10,770
Don had been talking about it
during the shooting of "Curse."

6003
04:17:10,794 --> 04:17:13,003
I was very pleased to hear
he was going to come back.

6004
04:17:13,107 --> 04:17:15,109
I was super excited,
and then when they said,

6005
04:17:15,212 --> 04:17:18,043
it was going to take place
in an insane asylum,

6006
04:17:18,146 --> 04:17:20,494
- I was like, count me in.
- Don and I had talked

6007
04:17:20,597 --> 04:17:22,357
about his approach
to the script

6008
04:17:22,461 --> 04:17:23,911
and what we were going to do.

6009
04:17:24,014 --> 04:17:25,889
Don was talking about
everything being against white,

6010
04:17:25,913 --> 04:17:27,639
very pale,
washed-out palette.

6011
04:17:27,742 --> 04:17:30,918
I think of it more as the
"THX 1138" of the "Chucky's,"

6012
04:17:31,021 --> 04:17:34,162
where everything's been
stripped away a lot.

6013
04:17:34,266 --> 04:17:37,372
Other references,
"The Shining" is an obvious one.

6014
04:17:37,476 --> 04:17:39,374
- "The Snake Pit."
- Virginia.

6015
04:17:39,478 --> 04:17:41,100
Virginia,
where'd you get that doll?

6016
04:17:41,204 --> 04:17:44,897
I really felt like we had
the team together,

6017
04:17:45,001 --> 04:17:46,934
and the machine
was already going.

6018
04:17:47,037 --> 04:17:50,972
We had a foundation to build
from some preexisting stuff.

6019
04:17:51,076 --> 04:17:55,425
It was far less of a...
of a zoo or of a circus.

6020
04:17:55,529 --> 04:17:57,254
It was much more
of a bunch of people

6021
04:17:57,358 --> 04:17:58,704
who knew what they were doing

6022
04:17:58,808 --> 04:18:01,880
and were all on the same page.

6023
04:18:01,983 --> 04:18:04,641
Tony Gardner contacted me,
and he was

6024
04:18:04,745 --> 04:18:06,816
wanting a very specific look,
how it looked,

6025
04:18:06,919 --> 04:18:08,542
you know, in the original.

6026
04:18:08,645 --> 04:18:10,336
And he knew that I had
a lot of knowledge,

6027
04:18:10,440 --> 04:18:12,269
and I had made some dolls
that were...

6028
04:18:12,373 --> 04:18:13,685
that were very accurate,

6029
04:18:13,788 --> 04:18:15,790
and he wanted to get
that look for "Cult."

6030
04:18:15,894 --> 04:18:17,872
When I first read that
there were multiple Chuckys,

6031
04:18:17,896 --> 04:18:19,416
I was more concerned
about the shooting

6032
04:18:19,518 --> 04:18:20,968
schedule than anything else,

6033
04:18:21,071 --> 04:18:23,798
because there was only going
to be one at a time,

6034
04:18:23,902 --> 04:18:25,880
and we'd have to figure out
how to make things modular

6035
04:18:25,904 --> 04:18:29,873
and put a melted hand on one
or a different wig on them.

6036
04:18:29,977 --> 04:18:31,841
It was really important
to Don

6037
04:18:31,944 --> 04:18:33,981
to create multiple Chuckys,

6038
04:18:34,084 --> 04:18:37,847
that there are other dolls out
there with the same essence,

6039
04:18:37,950 --> 04:18:40,056
something that I...
I was really concerned about.

6040
04:18:40,159 --> 04:18:42,990
I wanted to give Brad
different things to do,

6041
04:18:43,093 --> 04:18:47,270
because I have this
amazing actor at my disposal.

6042
04:18:47,373 --> 04:18:48,685
Dividing the dolls.

6043
04:18:48,789 --> 04:18:50,342
That was going to be
a problem for me.

6044
04:18:50,445 --> 04:18:53,379
And I... And I thought,
I-I need to figure out a way,

6045
04:18:53,483 --> 04:18:55,796
how to keep him
different and the same,

6046
04:18:55,899 --> 04:18:57,970
because they never stop
being Chucky.

6047
04:18:58,074 --> 04:19:00,904
I was frightened to take away
from the monster

6048
04:19:01,008 --> 04:19:03,320
that...
that for 30 something years

6049
04:19:03,424 --> 04:19:05,564
we'd worked so hard to create,

6050
04:19:05,668 --> 04:19:07,911
and were we taking away
from the personality

6051
04:19:08,015 --> 04:19:09,534
- of this character?
- You know,

6052
04:19:09,637 --> 04:19:11,708
having different variations

6053
04:19:11,812 --> 04:19:16,023
on the Chucky persona
for Brad to play with

6054
04:19:16,126 --> 04:19:18,301
was something
I wanted to do in that movie.

6055
04:19:18,404 --> 04:19:20,855
It was really,
"How are we going to make this

6056
04:19:20,959 --> 04:19:22,581
happen in the time
that we have?"

6057
04:19:22,685 --> 04:19:24,997
So, I just thought,
let's expand our mythology

6058
04:19:25,101 --> 04:19:27,828
a little bit, like...
like, let's give Chucky

6059
04:19:27,931 --> 04:19:31,625
the opportunity
to jump into new bodies.

6060
04:19:31,728 --> 04:19:32,764
Let's play.

6061
04:19:32,867 --> 04:19:34,144
When Don gave me the call

6062
04:19:34,248 --> 04:19:36,319
and said that he wrote me
into "Cult"

6063
04:19:36,422 --> 04:19:39,874
in a supporting way
with some really great stuff,

6064
04:19:39,978 --> 04:19:42,946
I was thrilled
and filled with gratitude

6065
04:19:43,050 --> 04:19:45,086
and appreciation and excitement.

6066
04:19:45,190 --> 04:19:47,226
Who is this?

6067
04:19:47,330 --> 04:19:48,400
Tiffany.

6068
04:19:48,503 --> 04:19:49,884
With "Cult of Chucky,"

6069
04:19:49,988 --> 04:19:51,714
I thought it was going
to be another cameo,

6070
04:19:51,817 --> 04:19:53,243
and I was pleasantly surprised
when I got the script,

6071
04:19:53,267 --> 04:19:56,132
because Tiffany is
more of the storyline.

6072
04:19:56,235 --> 04:19:58,168
Miss Valentine,
I wish you had told me.

6073
04:19:58,272 --> 04:20:00,723
- Oh, didn't I?
- Like every actor in the city,

6074
04:20:00,826 --> 04:20:02,414
you get auditions,

6075
04:20:02,517 --> 04:20:04,105
and they're always,
very often,

6076
04:20:04,209 --> 04:20:05,624
under different names.

6077
04:20:05,728 --> 04:20:07,799
So, it didn't say
I was auditioning for "Chucky."

6078
04:20:07,902 --> 04:20:09,904
It was some fake name.

6079
04:20:10,008 --> 04:20:12,079
But as I was reading it,
it seems familiar.

6080
04:20:12,182 --> 04:20:14,909
And I started to guess
it could be "Chucky."

6081
04:20:15,013 --> 04:20:17,532
Michael Therriault
is a really fun person to cast,

6082
04:20:17,636 --> 04:20:20,950
because he is
the nicest Canadian

6083
04:20:21,053 --> 04:20:22,607
will ever meet in your life.

6084
04:20:22,710 --> 04:20:24,194
Love, Michael Therriault.

6085
04:20:24,298 --> 04:20:29,614
He presents initially
as someone very nice and caring,

6086
04:20:29,717 --> 04:20:31,236
which is what he is
in real life,

6087
04:20:31,339 --> 04:20:34,619
but I knew that he would be able
to sell that twist,

6088
04:20:34,722 --> 04:20:37,829
that he's actually so horrible

6089
04:20:37,932 --> 04:20:41,971
that even Chucky
is a bit appalled and impressed.

6090
04:20:42,074 --> 04:20:44,801
I don't know whether
to kill him or just take notes.

6091
04:20:44,905 --> 04:20:46,976
I think he really truly
does want to help people.

6092
04:20:47,079 --> 04:20:49,599
He's complicated.

6093
04:20:49,703 --> 04:20:51,739
Don't misunderstand.
I'm not a fan.

6094
04:20:51,843 --> 04:20:53,465
We're not going to be friends.

6095
04:20:53,568 --> 04:20:55,778
So, my character,
Carlos, the nurse,

6096
04:20:55,881 --> 04:20:58,608
which I'm very, um,
honored to have played,

6097
04:20:58,712 --> 04:21:00,679
is based on someone
that Don knows.

6098
04:21:00,783 --> 04:21:02,508
I have a friend who lives
in San Francisco

6099
04:21:02,612 --> 04:21:05,166
whose name is Carlos,
and he's gay and he's a nurse.

6100
04:21:05,270 --> 04:21:06,823
It kind of helped
steer me a bit.

6101
04:21:06,927 --> 04:21:08,352
And then, I was just like,
you know what?

6102
04:21:08,376 --> 04:21:10,896
I'm going to be me doing
what I think is Carlos.

6103
04:21:11,000 --> 04:21:12,702
And that's either going
to work for what they're...

6104
04:21:12,726 --> 04:21:14,417
what... what they're
going for or not.

6105
04:21:14,520 --> 04:21:16,937
We wanted to like him so that
when he gets horribly killed

6106
04:21:17,040 --> 04:21:19,422
by three Chuckys
simultaneously...

6107
04:21:20,975 --> 04:21:23,495
...that, like, we would
care a bit about that.

6108
04:21:23,598 --> 04:21:25,704
You think this is funny?

6109
04:21:25,808 --> 04:21:28,811
No. I don't.

6110
04:21:28,914 --> 04:21:30,640
I think I found out
I got the role

6111
04:21:30,744 --> 04:21:32,469
when I was at a film festival.

6112
04:21:32,573 --> 04:21:34,989
I was so excited.

6113
04:21:35,093 --> 04:21:37,129
I was like losing my mind.

6114
04:21:37,233 --> 04:21:39,062
Grace and I had known
each other before,

6115
04:21:39,166 --> 04:21:41,316
so, that was fun to see her,
the way she was playing that,

6116
04:21:41,340 --> 04:21:43,215
which was so different
than her own personality.

6117
04:21:43,239 --> 04:21:45,655
Claire's pretty with it,
she's a bit like a black widow.

6118
04:21:45,759 --> 04:21:47,899
So, she's a little unstable,

6119
04:21:48,002 --> 04:21:50,073
but you don't see, as much,
her instability as much

6120
04:21:50,177 --> 04:21:51,696
as some of
the other characters.

6121
04:21:51,799 --> 04:21:55,078
I'm a schizophrenic.
I see things.

6122
04:21:55,182 --> 04:21:58,703
I love Marina, I was lucky
enough to meet her in Winnipeg

6123
04:21:58,806 --> 04:22:01,050
during the production
of "Channel Zero."

6124
04:22:01,153 --> 04:22:03,604
Shooting in the middle
of the night in the dark

6125
04:22:03,708 --> 04:22:05,537
at about 4 a.m.,
and I went

6126
04:22:05,640 --> 04:22:06,987
right up and said, "Hi,

6127
04:22:07,090 --> 04:22:11,232
I'm Marina,"
"I'm Don Mancini," he said.

6128
04:22:11,336 --> 04:22:13,234
And he was charming

6129
04:22:13,338 --> 04:22:15,167
and friendly and sweet.

6130
04:22:15,271 --> 04:22:18,377
Then, I went off to make
"Cult," and I thought of her

6131
04:22:18,481 --> 04:22:21,035
for that role as this woman
who, you know,

6132
04:22:21,139 --> 04:22:23,969
has this funny encounter
with Chucky where, like,

6133
04:22:24,073 --> 04:22:28,111
because of her own delusions,
it ends up driving Chucky crazy.

6134
04:22:28,215 --> 04:22:29,837
Aren't you the crazy bitch

6135
04:22:29,941 --> 04:22:32,150
I talked to last night
on the phone?

6136
04:22:32,253 --> 04:22:35,809
She had a sweet,
uh, innocence.

6137
04:22:35,912 --> 04:22:39,053
But behind that innocence,
this intensity of

6138
04:22:39,157 --> 04:22:43,678
someone who's...
who's really in another zone.

6139
04:22:43,782 --> 04:22:45,473
Oh. She's harmless.

6140
04:22:45,577 --> 04:22:48,545
So, Adam Hurtig, I had
worked with on "Curse."

6141
04:22:50,824 --> 04:22:53,827
Multiple Malcolm...
Mark, Michael, Charles,

6142
04:22:53,930 --> 04:22:55,736
whatever you want to call him,
he's Malcolm to me.

6143
04:22:55,760 --> 04:22:59,349
He, um, he's a guy who feels
inadequate with his own life.

6144
04:22:59,453 --> 04:23:02,180
So, he has to take
on these personas of these,

6145
04:23:02,283 --> 04:23:04,734
uh, these greater
than average people.

6146
04:23:04,838 --> 04:23:06,771
And he... he nailed
all of these personas.

6147
04:23:06,874 --> 04:23:10,326
Fiona, I-I don't think that she
actually remembered who I was,

6148
04:23:10,429 --> 04:23:13,467
but it was this moment of,
uh, "Hey, I'm Adam,"

6149
04:23:13,570 --> 04:23:14,986
uh, "Lovely to meet you."

6150
04:23:15,089 --> 04:23:18,299
Uh, and then having her go,
"Oh. Oh, yeah, yeah.

6151
04:23:18,403 --> 04:23:20,785
Okay, I remember you.
You're the... the cop.

6152
04:23:20,888 --> 04:23:22,717
- That's cool."
- It was great to see him,

6153
04:23:22,821 --> 04:23:24,340
like, flex his muscles like this

6154
04:23:24,443 --> 04:23:26,273
and get to do
so many different things.

6155
04:23:26,376 --> 04:23:28,827
And then also,
I got to have sex with him.

6156
04:23:30,622 --> 04:23:31,968
It's been really
wonderful hearing

6157
04:23:32,072 --> 04:23:33,521
from the disabled community
about it.

6158
04:23:33,625 --> 04:23:36,559
They're like, "Oh, my God,
finally, we get to see,

6159
04:23:36,662 --> 04:23:39,942
you know, a... a paraplegic
woman, like, have sex."

6160
04:23:40,045 --> 04:23:42,876
Because by the way,
we have sex.

6161
04:23:42,979 --> 04:23:44,084
It's too hot for him.

6162
04:23:44,187 --> 04:23:46,983
Elisabeth Rosen
played Madeleine,

6163
04:23:47,087 --> 04:23:48,882
and I thought she was great.

6164
04:23:48,985 --> 04:23:52,989
Madeleine is a strange character
and has a strange,

6165
04:23:53,093 --> 04:23:55,060
interesting relationship
with Chucky.

6166
04:23:55,164 --> 04:23:57,718
I like to be hugged.

6167
04:23:57,822 --> 04:23:59,409
I can't believe
he's talking already.

6168
04:23:59,513 --> 04:24:02,171
You know, like that
in itself is creepy.

6169
04:24:02,274 --> 04:24:03,907
I literally, I called
my agent and I said,

6170
04:24:03,931 --> 04:24:06,071
"I want to do something
really unusual."

6171
04:24:06,175 --> 04:24:09,178
And she literally said, "Would
you do a cool 'Chucky' film?"

6172
04:24:09,281 --> 04:24:14,942
Elizabeth Rosen was,
like, the perfect example

6173
04:24:15,046 --> 04:24:17,186
of just the, like, maternal,

6174
04:24:17,289 --> 04:24:19,567
but maybe a little
Mommie Dearest.

6175
04:24:19,671 --> 04:24:22,847
And you don't care.

6176
04:24:22,950 --> 04:24:24,469
Mommy!

6177
04:24:25,988 --> 04:24:27,172
When we got there,
I said, "You know,

6178
04:24:27,196 --> 04:24:28,507
I want to dye my hair black."

6179
04:24:28,611 --> 04:24:30,061
'Cause she's a blond.

6180
04:24:30,164 --> 04:24:33,685
And that kind of also
gave a really interesting,

6181
04:24:33,788 --> 04:24:35,307
unspoken darkness to her.

6182
04:24:35,411 --> 04:24:37,102
She was maybe
my favorite character.

6183
04:24:37,206 --> 04:24:38,863
I loved watching her.

6184
04:24:38,966 --> 04:24:40,899
With cast and crew locked in.

6185
04:24:41,003 --> 04:24:43,246
It was time to head
to the asylum.

6186
04:24:43,350 --> 04:24:47,802
"Cult of Chucky" began filming
on January 9th, 2017,

6187
04:24:47,906 --> 04:24:50,391
in a chilly Winnipeg winter.

6188
04:24:50,495 --> 04:24:51,979
It's like, you know,

6189
04:24:52,083 --> 04:24:55,396
at times, -45 degrees outside.

6190
04:24:55,500 --> 04:24:57,088
It was insanely cold.

6191
04:24:57,191 --> 04:24:58,813
Oh, my God,
I've never been so cold.

6192
04:24:58,917 --> 04:25:00,712
Cold, freezing cold.

6193
04:25:00,815 --> 04:25:03,991
Much like Chicago in 1987,

6194
04:25:04,095 --> 04:25:06,511
I was freezing my ass off
on a "Chucky" set,

6195
04:25:06,614 --> 04:25:07,684
once again.

6196
04:25:07,788 --> 04:25:09,548
It is bloody freezing.

6197
04:25:09,652 --> 04:25:10,964
That's our real breath.

6198
04:25:11,067 --> 04:25:12,527
When you're filming,
and you're outside,

6199
04:25:12,551 --> 04:25:15,692
sometimes, in those conditions,
it can be tough.

6200
04:25:15,796 --> 04:25:17,039
The sets were beautiful.

6201
04:25:17,142 --> 04:25:19,179
It was all on a soundstage
in Manitoba.

6202
04:25:19,282 --> 04:25:21,043
Our production designer
was unbelievable.

6203
04:25:21,146 --> 04:25:22,466
You get the sense
that the hallway

6204
04:25:22,527 --> 04:25:24,218
goes on forever and ever.

6205
04:25:24,322 --> 04:25:27,014
It's such a subtle design
but so beautiful.

6206
04:25:27,118 --> 04:25:29,499
This hospital set was like
a little maze,

6207
04:25:29,603 --> 04:25:32,123
and it was mind-fucking me
in real life.

6208
04:25:32,226 --> 04:25:34,435
I don't think I ever totally
figured out

6209
04:25:34,539 --> 04:25:36,058
where everything was.

6210
04:25:36,161 --> 04:25:40,510
It was a bit like living
in a... a nightmare.

6211
04:25:40,614 --> 04:25:43,099
And they'd go, "Okay,
now, we're ready for you."

6212
04:25:43,203 --> 04:25:45,308
And I'd go down a hallway
that I thought was taking

6213
04:25:45,412 --> 04:25:48,035
me to my doorway,
and I was lost.

6214
04:25:48,139 --> 04:25:49,864
What I love about the script,

6215
04:25:49,968 --> 04:25:52,453
and that how it throws to that
sort of mental hospital thing,

6216
04:25:52,557 --> 04:25:54,277
you know, "One Flew Over
the Cuckoo's Nest."

6217
04:25:54,352 --> 04:25:56,285
That's great, and so,
there's that line in there.

6218
04:25:56,388 --> 04:25:59,253
Jesus fucking Cuckoo's Nest.

6219
04:25:59,357 --> 04:26:01,980
"The Cuckoo's Nest" vibe was...
was very much intentional,

6220
04:26:02,084 --> 04:26:03,740
but it was also, uh,
it was a challenge.

6221
04:26:03,844 --> 04:26:09,160
It did have that, uh, "One Flew
Over the Cuckoo's Nest" vibe.

6222
04:26:09,263 --> 04:26:11,300
Don loves skyscrapers.

6223
04:26:11,403 --> 04:26:13,785
Don has a skyscraper fetish.

6224
04:26:13,888 --> 04:26:15,097
He, uh, he loves them.

6225
04:26:15,200 --> 04:26:16,477
Some people love
Lamborghinis.

6226
04:26:16,581 --> 04:26:19,204
Some people love,
you know, hot dogs.

6227
04:26:19,308 --> 04:26:21,137
Uh, he loves skyscrapers.

6228
04:26:21,241 --> 04:26:23,174
I just want to be able
to protect myself.

6229
04:26:23,277 --> 04:26:26,453
It opens with Andy
trying to find that love.

6230
04:26:26,556 --> 04:26:29,559
He's been so scarred his
whole life from this experience.

6231
04:26:29,663 --> 04:26:32,286
"Chucky" has been in my life
since I was a child.

6232
04:26:32,390 --> 04:26:34,288
It affected my whole life
since I was a kid.

6233
04:26:34,392 --> 04:26:36,463
So, I have that parallel
with... with Andy.

6234
04:26:36,566 --> 04:26:40,467
This experience has clearly
had an effect on this guy.

6235
04:26:40,570 --> 04:26:43,435
In a way, he's kind of
a vigilante of making sure

6236
04:26:43,539 --> 04:26:48,095
that no one else is affected
the way that he was by it.

6237
04:26:48,199 --> 04:26:50,753
Who's the only person
in his world

6238
04:26:50,856 --> 04:26:52,927
who he comes home to
...to talk to?

6239
04:26:53,031 --> 04:26:54,584
It's not a healthy relationship.

6240
04:26:54,688 --> 04:26:58,450
He's got all these tools
and torture devices in trays,

6241
04:26:58,554 --> 04:27:01,212
in cabinets,
you're just like super anal,

6242
04:27:01,315 --> 04:27:05,112
super organized, super
efficient, and super messed up.

6243
04:27:05,216 --> 04:27:07,494
The hunted did become
the hunter.

6244
04:27:07,597 --> 04:27:10,876
We had to basically shoot
the whole scene first,

6245
04:27:10,980 --> 04:27:12,464
except for the blowtorch thing,

6246
04:27:12,568 --> 04:27:14,442
because we wanted to push it
as much as we could.

6247
04:27:14,466 --> 04:27:17,228
And because the skin is silicone
and heat resistant,

6248
04:27:17,331 --> 04:27:18,746
none of the mechanics fried

6249
04:27:18,850 --> 04:27:20,621
while we were shooting it,
he was able to emote

6250
04:27:20,645 --> 04:27:23,130
and stay controlled,
it looked great.

6251
04:27:23,234 --> 04:27:24,856
Chucky had smell
when you burn them.

6252
04:27:24,959 --> 04:27:26,340
It's really quite stinky.

6253
04:27:26,444 --> 04:27:28,377
Nica isn't a danger
to anyone anymore.

6254
04:27:28,480 --> 04:27:30,413
And let's not forget,
she isn't the only one here

6255
04:27:30,517 --> 04:27:32,346
to benefit from
an insanity plea.

6256
04:27:32,450 --> 04:27:35,487
That was one of the fun
things to do with this movie is,

6257
04:27:35,591 --> 04:27:39,595
you know, for... to have people
with mental health issues

6258
04:27:39,698 --> 04:27:41,735
respond to Chucky
in different ways.

6259
04:27:41,838 --> 04:27:43,254
As soon as Chucky is revealed,

6260
04:27:43,357 --> 04:27:44,757
we see everybody's
kind of reaction.

6261
04:27:44,807 --> 04:27:46,981
Angela just rises up

6262
04:27:47,085 --> 04:27:49,191
and lets them all know
he's back.

6263
04:27:49,294 --> 04:27:51,400
He said to tell you
he's coming for you.

6264
04:27:51,503 --> 04:27:53,022
Grace's character immediately

6265
04:27:53,126 --> 04:27:54,541
doesn't understand
what's going on.

6266
04:27:54,644 --> 04:27:57,164
I love Claire, because
she is trying to do right.

6267
04:27:57,268 --> 04:28:00,098
She jumps up
and she's going to come over

6268
04:28:00,202 --> 04:28:02,273
and comfort Angela.

6269
04:28:02,376 --> 04:28:04,413
Elisabeth sees the...
the actual Chucky doll

6270
04:28:04,516 --> 04:28:05,966
as her... as her daughter.

6271
04:28:06,070 --> 04:28:07,668
- He's my baby.
- When she finds the doll,

6272
04:28:07,692 --> 04:28:10,695
it literally, it fills
this huge hole in her.

6273
04:28:10,798 --> 04:28:13,663
And Fiona is just, like,
there's part of her that's,

6274
04:28:13,767 --> 04:28:16,149
you know, we can see that
it's stirring below the surface,

6275
04:28:16,252 --> 04:28:18,116
but she is just stonewalling.

6276
04:28:18,220 --> 04:28:20,222
Claire, why don't you
come with us?

6277
04:28:20,325 --> 04:28:21,325
- Come on.
- No.

6278
04:28:21,395 --> 04:28:22,672
Carlos, in a way,

6279
04:28:22,776 --> 04:28:24,191
took Grace's character
to her death.

6280
04:28:24,295 --> 04:28:25,813
But that's a "Chucky" movie,
man.

6281
04:28:25,917 --> 04:28:28,033
It's like, you know,
a really creepy "Sesame Street."

6282
04:28:28,057 --> 04:28:29,645
So, it's like
they've got puppeteers

6283
04:28:29,748 --> 04:28:31,657
doing all of the different
things, it was like acting

6284
04:28:31,681 --> 04:28:35,271
with a human being, that was
pretty amazing and surreal.

6285
04:28:35,375 --> 04:28:37,722
She, by far,
gets the nicest death

6286
04:28:37,825 --> 04:28:39,803
that I have seen in the...
in the "Chucky" franchise.

6287
04:28:39,827 --> 04:28:46,248
Claire. Yes, who gets
decapitated spectacularly.

6288
04:28:46,351 --> 04:28:47,801
It's not only the falling glass,

6289
04:28:47,904 --> 04:28:50,804
but the snow,
because it's snowing outside.

6290
04:28:50,907 --> 04:28:54,290
It's so horrifically gorgeous.

6291
04:28:54,394 --> 04:28:57,535
My death scene was,
I think, operatic.

6292
04:28:57,638 --> 04:29:00,400
The whole death scene
on the operating table,

6293
04:29:00,503 --> 04:29:02,264
there's like every version

6294
04:29:02,367 --> 04:29:04,887
of puppeteering
performance possible.

6295
04:29:04,990 --> 04:29:09,305
There's people literally
on every side of the camera

6296
04:29:09,409 --> 04:29:11,249
- for so many of those shots.
- I think, the scene

6297
04:29:11,273 --> 04:29:13,413
where Grace gets killed
was sort of the hardest

6298
04:29:13,516 --> 04:29:16,140
to make feel real
with the oxygen bottle

6299
04:29:16,243 --> 04:29:17,934
and the way
that was going to fly.

6300
04:29:18,038 --> 04:29:19,488
It was heavily story boarded.

6301
04:29:19,591 --> 04:29:21,731
In her death scene,
like, take after take,

6302
04:29:21,835 --> 04:29:24,251
she was able to produce,
like, a perfect tear

6303
04:29:24,355 --> 04:29:25,666
that rolled down her left eye.

6304
04:29:25,770 --> 04:29:27,841
I was, like,
"How does this person do this?"

6305
04:29:27,944 --> 04:29:30,706
And then the end of it,
you're pulled right back

6306
04:29:30,809 --> 04:29:33,502
out of the, almost
the poetry of that moment

6307
04:29:33,605 --> 04:29:36,746
by the head bouncing
and landing at Chucky's feet.

6308
04:29:36,850 --> 04:29:40,336
It's like a really
terrible death poem,

6309
04:29:40,440 --> 04:29:43,615
but really, um, really,
really beautiful.

6310
04:29:43,719 --> 04:29:46,653
And I think Don
did an amazing job.

6311
04:29:46,756 --> 04:29:48,896
Alice?

6312
04:29:49,000 --> 04:29:50,622
We've been waiting for you.

6313
04:29:50,726 --> 04:29:53,315
I honestly hadn't even
thought about my line,

6314
04:29:53,418 --> 04:29:55,938
like, being
a foreshadowing moment.

6315
04:29:56,041 --> 04:29:58,561
So, like, seeing it now,
I'm like, "Oh, that's cool."

6316
04:29:58,665 --> 04:30:03,635
I was like, this is surreal
and stylized and scary,

6317
04:30:03,739 --> 04:30:07,536
but also a little bit
foreshadowing, for sure.

6318
04:30:07,639 --> 04:30:10,642
Me, like, I was just this
figure of Nica's imagination,

6319
04:30:10,746 --> 04:30:12,575
because she hadn't
seen me for years.

6320
04:30:12,679 --> 04:30:15,129
And then, you see somebody
who was like 6 to 7 to 8 to 9,

6321
04:30:15,233 --> 04:30:16,683
you're like, "Oh, my God."

6322
04:30:16,786 --> 04:30:19,444
But yeah, it... it was great
to reconnect with her.

6323
04:30:19,548 --> 04:30:21,412
Seeing Fiona again was great.

6324
04:30:21,515 --> 04:30:24,415
Uh, she's an amazing actor.
She's an amazing person.

6325
04:30:24,518 --> 04:30:27,280
So, getting to talk to her
again, even for only a day,

6326
04:30:27,383 --> 04:30:29,661
it was really nice to see her.

6327
04:30:31,422 --> 04:30:34,390
- Oh, God.
- Elisabeth was down for it.

6328
04:30:34,494 --> 04:30:36,185
She knew that
that was like a piece

6329
04:30:36,289 --> 04:30:38,429
of the disturbing picture

6330
04:30:38,532 --> 04:30:39,809
that we were painting here.

6331
04:30:39,913 --> 04:30:42,433
The way I approached
Madeleine was,

6332
04:30:42,536 --> 04:30:45,505
a lot of women have
postpartum depression as well.

6333
04:30:45,608 --> 04:30:47,507
I had the... the shot
as a bit of her...

6334
04:30:47,610 --> 04:30:50,786
uh, an homage slash rip off
of "Snake Eyes."

6335
04:30:50,889 --> 04:30:53,340
You're looking down
at a honeycomb of rooms,

6336
04:30:53,444 --> 04:30:54,962
but we glide from Nica,

6337
04:30:55,066 --> 04:30:58,587
and we pass right over the top
and without a cut,

6338
04:30:58,690 --> 04:31:01,314
now, we're looking down
at Madeline in her room

6339
04:31:01,417 --> 04:31:02,763
as she's breastfeeding Chucky.

6340
04:31:02,867 --> 04:31:04,293
I've had people stop me
on the street

6341
04:31:04,317 --> 04:31:06,111
and say, "You're the girl,"

6342
04:31:06,215 --> 04:31:07,537
but I think they're afraid
to ask me

6343
04:31:07,561 --> 04:31:08,976
about that moment, it's okay.

6344
04:31:09,080 --> 04:31:11,289
Elisabeth playing
the role of... of Madeleine,

6345
04:31:11,393 --> 04:31:14,258
what you kind of see
is really her.

6346
04:31:14,361 --> 04:31:16,743
There's this haunting
kind of presence.

6347
04:31:16,846 --> 04:31:20,367
Then, when we find out later
that Madeleine

6348
04:31:20,471 --> 04:31:22,783
was driven insane
by infanticide,

6349
04:31:22,887 --> 04:31:26,028
Chucky uses that
to manipulate her.

6350
04:31:26,131 --> 04:31:27,616
Wanna play?

6351
04:31:27,719 --> 04:31:30,826
And the reenactment of what
she did with the child,

6352
04:31:30,929 --> 04:31:33,898
it's like, oh, all right,
now you got it coming.

6353
04:31:34,001 --> 04:31:35,279
Here we go.

6354
04:31:35,382 --> 04:31:36,901
She can't live
with herself anymore.

6355
04:31:37,004 --> 04:31:41,181
She says, "Will it hurt?"
And he says, "I'll do my best."

6356
04:31:41,285 --> 04:31:44,874
She has this masochistic
need to be punished

6357
04:31:44,978 --> 04:31:48,568
for what she did to her baby.
And here is her baby

6358
04:31:48,671 --> 04:31:51,536
come back to give her
that ending.

6359
04:31:51,640 --> 04:31:55,575
He's just supposed to play
with his fingers on my lips.

6360
04:31:55,678 --> 04:31:57,335
And that's supposed to be
the whole scene.

6361
04:31:57,439 --> 04:31:58,888
But we kept going.

6362
04:31:58,992 --> 04:32:00,866
And then all of a sudden,
literally, he pushed...

6363
04:32:00,890 --> 04:32:03,824
'cause the puppeteer was like,
"Oh, no one yelled cut."

6364
04:32:03,928 --> 04:32:07,863
We literally... the whole fist
went all the way down my throat.

6365
04:32:07,966 --> 04:32:09,313
Aaah!

6366
04:32:09,416 --> 04:32:11,556
I remember just thinking
in my mind like,

6367
04:32:11,660 --> 04:32:13,627
don't freak out.
It's all good.

6368
04:32:13,731 --> 04:32:17,286
Chucky sticks his arm
into her throat

6369
04:32:17,390 --> 04:32:19,219
and pulls out her guts.

6370
04:32:19,323 --> 04:32:20,600
Then ripped his own arm off

6371
04:32:20,703 --> 04:32:22,222
and then stuffed it back
in her mouth.

6372
04:32:22,326 --> 04:32:23,846
Tony Gardner literally
came and poured

6373
04:32:23,879 --> 04:32:29,056
three big jugs
of sticky, minty blood,

6374
04:32:29,160 --> 04:32:31,852
and then they set the arm
all the way down my throat.

6375
04:32:31,956 --> 04:32:33,785
And she sits there
and she takes it.

6376
04:32:33,889 --> 04:32:37,099
I think she really makes
that scene so much more

6377
04:32:37,202 --> 04:32:38,445
than it could be.

6378
04:32:38,549 --> 04:32:39,550
Madeleine's dead.

6379
04:32:39,653 --> 04:32:41,690
- Chucky did it.
- No.

6380
04:32:41,793 --> 04:32:44,762
Oh, God.
The foot scenes.

6381
04:32:44,865 --> 04:32:49,732
He's bought her this pair
of bright red Chanel pumps,

6382
04:32:49,836 --> 04:32:52,010
and he's putting them
on her feet.

6383
04:32:52,114 --> 04:32:53,834
And I was struggling,
and I was struggling,

6384
04:32:53,909 --> 04:32:55,749
and I kept, you know...
I didn't want to, like,

6385
04:32:55,842 --> 04:32:58,465
lose eye contact with her, but
I just kept trying and trying.

6386
04:32:58,569 --> 04:32:59,777
And it went on forever.

6387
04:32:59,880 --> 04:33:02,538
And we can see
behind the monitor

6388
04:33:02,642 --> 04:33:05,507
that he's put the wrong shoe
on the wrong foot.

6389
04:33:05,610 --> 04:33:09,165
He's, like, doing it wrong
and bo... and me...

6390
04:33:09,269 --> 04:33:10,719
I'm trying not to break.

6391
04:33:10,822 --> 04:33:12,455
You know, I'm trying not
to, like, break the scene

6392
04:33:12,479 --> 04:33:13,559
so we don't have to
shoot it 300 times.

6393
04:33:13,583 --> 04:33:17,346
And then, you know,

6394
04:33:17,450 --> 04:33:19,278
we all burst out laughing
and then, you know,

6395
04:33:19,383 --> 04:33:21,454
for the next 5 minutes
or 10 minutes,

6396
04:33:21,557 --> 04:33:23,594
every time we'd kind of start,

6397
04:33:23,697 --> 04:33:25,606
we'd burst out laughing again.
It was just so funny.

6398
04:33:25,630 --> 04:33:27,830
And so that's still one
of my favorite scenes to watch.

6399
04:33:27,874 --> 04:33:33,741
It was just fucking hilarious.

6400
04:33:33,845 --> 04:33:35,157
Oh, my God.

6401
04:33:35,259 --> 04:33:38,471
Scene 74 is the scene
where the three Chuckys finally,

6402
04:33:38,574 --> 04:33:40,714
you know, come together
and have a conversation.

6403
04:33:40,818 --> 04:33:43,268
The scene and its purpose...
it worked.

6404
04:33:43,372 --> 04:33:45,028
For Don and for
his creative process,

6405
04:33:45,132 --> 04:33:49,343
I think it opened the door
for lots of places to go.

6406
04:33:49,447 --> 04:33:51,311
Chucky can be
in several places.

6407
04:33:51,415 --> 04:33:54,556
- What the hell happened to you?
- Oh.

6408
04:33:54,659 --> 04:33:57,766
That begins to evolve
into all kinds of things.

6409
04:33:57,868 --> 04:34:01,286
I remember walking into a room
and just seeing all these...

6410
04:34:01,390 --> 04:34:04,773
all these little Chuckys, like,
in different positions,

6411
04:34:04,876 --> 04:34:07,914
and it just feeling
like a playground or something.

6412
04:34:08,017 --> 04:34:11,055
Things would be mapped out
with just three posable dolls

6413
04:34:11,158 --> 04:34:12,953
to start with
so we knew where everybody was

6414
04:34:13,057 --> 04:34:14,783
and where our lighting
needed to be.

6415
04:34:14,885 --> 04:34:16,922
It was doing a lot of
comping in

6416
04:34:17,026 --> 04:34:18,510
where we would do
one performance

6417
04:34:18,614 --> 04:34:19,857
and then another performance.

6418
04:34:19,960 --> 04:34:21,651
Each one was performed
one at a time,

6419
04:34:21,755 --> 04:34:24,068
and then they were
all stitched together digitally.

6420
04:34:24,170 --> 04:34:26,484
We were doing a lot of things
with rod puppets

6421
04:34:26,588 --> 04:34:28,210
and bunraku puppets,

6422
04:34:28,312 --> 04:34:30,971
where he's being walked with
a puppeteer directly behind him.

6423
04:34:31,075 --> 04:34:35,389
So to see it now, to me,
is kind of a triumph.

6424
04:34:35,492 --> 04:34:38,220
- Hello? Look at my hair.
- Oh, shit. You win.

6425
04:34:38,323 --> 04:34:41,499
Absolutely. Sorry, pal.
You go fuck him up real good.

6426
04:34:41,603 --> 04:34:43,083
They were vocally
a little different,

6427
04:34:43,155 --> 04:34:45,469
and they did have
some points of view

6428
04:34:45,572 --> 04:34:47,160
that were slightly different.

6429
04:34:47,262 --> 04:34:49,990
But they were Chucky.
They were essentially Chucky.

6430
04:34:50,094 --> 04:34:51,922
They're not at
each other's throat.

6431
04:34:52,026 --> 04:34:54,823
I mean, they may bicker about
who gets to kill Andy,

6432
04:34:54,926 --> 04:34:57,998
but basically they are
the Cult of Chucky.

6433
04:34:58,101 --> 04:35:00,759
Welcome to the cult, pal.

6434
04:35:00,863 --> 04:35:03,278
When I did it vocally
the first time,

6435
04:35:03,383 --> 04:35:07,214
I would do one character and
take them all the way through...

6436
04:35:07,318 --> 04:35:09,975
Yeah, well, you've been
alive for like two minutes.

6437
04:35:10,079 --> 04:35:11,943
And then go to
the next character

6438
04:35:12,046 --> 04:35:13,876
and take that
all the way through.

6439
04:35:13,980 --> 04:35:17,293
- Now I can be me.
- And me. - And me.

6440
04:35:17,397 --> 04:35:22,160
We had a lot of fun doing it
and particular fun with Buzzcut,

6441
04:35:22,264 --> 04:35:24,059
the one with the bad hair,

6442
04:35:24,162 --> 04:35:27,165
because he was the innocent,
you know.

6443
04:35:27,269 --> 04:35:28,476
We tried to give them each

6444
04:35:28,580 --> 04:35:30,755
slightly different
personalities.

6445
04:35:30,859 --> 04:35:33,931
Yeah, we all named them.
We would give them nicknames

6446
04:35:34,034 --> 04:35:36,692
to, like, how they looked
or how they were acting.

6447
04:35:36,795 --> 04:35:38,435
You have three Chuckys
at once on screen,

6448
04:35:38,522 --> 04:35:41,835
but you only have the budget
to shoot one of them at a time

6449
04:35:41,938 --> 04:35:45,080
because there's
only one of them.

6450
04:35:45,183 --> 04:35:48,600
So that was the challenge
with Carlos's death.

6451
04:35:48,704 --> 04:35:50,982
I was really honored
that I was gonna be

6452
04:35:51,086 --> 04:35:53,743
the first character
to be killed by three Chuckys.

6453
04:35:53,847 --> 04:35:55,261
That was a gruesome death.

6454
04:35:58,851 --> 04:36:00,233
Ah!

6455
04:36:00,336 --> 04:36:03,132
It was like kitchen sink
on Carlos, and he loved it.

6456
04:36:03,236 --> 04:36:06,515
It's true that that scene
with those Chucky dolls,

6457
04:36:06,618 --> 04:36:08,482
it's kind of like "Gremlins,"

6458
04:36:08,586 --> 04:36:11,658
but hard-core, R-rated
"Gremlins."

6459
04:36:11,761 --> 04:36:14,730
It's one of the bloodiest,
darkest moments

6460
04:36:14,833 --> 04:36:18,078
in our entire
30-something-year franchise.

6461
04:36:18,182 --> 04:36:21,323
It's the most torment
and horror

6462
04:36:21,426 --> 04:36:23,187
that this person's
ever experienced.

6463
04:36:23,290 --> 04:36:26,086
He was super patient because
not only did he have to die,

6464
04:36:26,189 --> 04:36:29,607
he had to die multiple times
because we had to shoot it over

6465
04:36:29,711 --> 04:36:32,885
and over again with each version
of the puppet.

6466
04:36:32,990 --> 04:36:35,924
Drill.

6467
04:36:36,026 --> 04:36:38,236
And he took it like a champ.

6468
04:36:40,099 --> 04:36:41,895
And the deal with Chucky
is he just, like,

6469
04:36:41,999 --> 04:36:45,002
loves it so much, you're kind
of rooting for him, too,

6470
04:36:45,105 --> 04:36:48,453
even though Carlos was...
Carlos was a good guy.

6471
04:36:48,557 --> 04:36:52,526
He was a good guy, but good
guys finish last, you know?

6472
04:36:52,630 --> 04:36:55,426
There's definitely perks to
being supernaturally possessed.

6473
04:36:55,528 --> 04:36:59,636
And then I get to be a man,
which was also really fun,

6474
04:36:59,741 --> 04:37:01,812
and play my dad's
iconic character,

6475
04:37:01,915 --> 04:37:06,610
which was a fun space
to occupy psychologically

6476
04:37:06,713 --> 04:37:08,104
with somebody
who's just doing exactly

6477
04:37:08,128 --> 04:37:10,165
what they want to do
and doing it well.

6478
04:37:10,268 --> 04:37:11,753
Fiona is a great actress,

6479
04:37:11,856 --> 04:37:14,514
and to be able to tap
into a character

6480
04:37:14,617 --> 04:37:16,343
like her father,
to emulate that...

6481
04:37:16,447 --> 04:37:21,072
that laugh, that smile,
the look, the intensity

6482
04:37:21,176 --> 04:37:23,247
that he brings...
that's no small feat.

6483
04:37:23,349 --> 04:37:26,560
Fiona's Brad impression,
I think, is remarkably good.

6484
04:37:26,664 --> 04:37:30,116
When I first realized that I
was actually going to play him,

6485
04:37:30,219 --> 04:37:33,118
I definitely called my dad
and asked him, like,

6486
04:37:33,222 --> 04:37:36,087
"All right, so what... like,
what's the clue into Chucky?"

6487
04:37:36,190 --> 04:37:37,986
And he always says
the same thing.

6488
04:37:38,089 --> 04:37:40,297
He's like, "Listen, kid,
there's basically two things.

6489
04:37:40,401 --> 04:37:45,407
Chucky... he's terrified of
oblivion and he loves his job."

6490
04:37:45,509 --> 04:37:46,994
I love my job.

6491
04:37:47,098 --> 04:37:49,722
And I was like, okay, okay,
I could do that.

6492
04:37:49,825 --> 04:37:52,310
This is for Nica.

6493
04:37:52,414 --> 04:37:53,967
- Ah!
- Aah!

6494
04:37:54,071 --> 04:37:55,842
There's something about
Dr. Foley's death by high heel

6495
04:37:55,866 --> 04:37:57,177
that's, again, very de Palma.

6496
04:37:57,280 --> 04:37:59,973
Dr. Foley had it coming,
absolutely.

6497
04:38:00,077 --> 04:38:04,150
And that was a fun death
to plan and shoot.

6498
04:38:04,253 --> 04:38:07,152
Michael Therriault himself
was quite disturbed

6499
04:38:07,256 --> 04:38:10,812
to see his likeness
stomped to pulp.

6500
04:38:10,915 --> 04:38:14,747
And I'm also amazed by
the artistry of it.

6501
04:38:14,849 --> 04:38:17,163
You know, the people
who make these heads,

6502
04:38:17,266 --> 04:38:19,890
you know, each hair
is sewn in individually,

6503
04:38:19,992 --> 04:38:22,962
you know, like every
little blood vessel and pore.

6504
04:38:23,064 --> 04:38:25,827
They built a really nice head
packed full of stuff,

6505
04:38:25,930 --> 04:38:27,794
and they could really
pound on it

6506
04:38:27,898 --> 04:38:29,830
very violently and repeatedly.

6507
04:38:29,934 --> 04:38:32,384
Oh, my God. Fucking awesome.

6508
04:38:32,488 --> 04:38:35,146
Chucky takes things
much more personally,

6509
04:38:35,250 --> 04:38:39,633
and he's much more interested
in who people are

6510
04:38:39,737 --> 04:38:41,946
than... than he used to be.

6511
04:38:42,050 --> 04:38:44,500
Yeah, I'd kill Dr. Foley
any day.

6512
04:38:44,604 --> 04:38:46,502
You're sick.

6513
04:38:46,606 --> 04:38:48,228
And not in the fun way, like me.

6514
04:38:48,331 --> 04:38:50,127
Malcolm's brain has
all these characters

6515
04:38:50,230 --> 04:38:51,955
starting to,
like, fall out of him.

6516
04:38:52,060 --> 04:38:54,096
And he just regressed
back to Malcolm.

6517
04:38:54,200 --> 04:38:55,684
As deaths go,

6518
04:38:55,788 --> 04:38:57,098
Adam really got a good one.

6519
04:38:57,203 --> 04:38:59,169
And I think he's very proud
of that.

6520
04:38:59,274 --> 04:39:01,828
Now he's kind of gone
off the deep end again

6521
04:39:01,932 --> 04:39:04,106
and thinks he's Chucky.

6522
04:39:04,210 --> 04:39:05,659
I'm Charles.

6523
04:39:05,762 --> 04:39:07,178
In your dreams, asshole.

6524
04:39:07,282 --> 04:39:09,042
And he has this moment
of realization

6525
04:39:09,146 --> 04:39:11,804
and you actually
have pity for this guy.

6526
04:39:11,907 --> 04:39:13,707
I think the death
is all that more affecting,

6527
04:39:13,771 --> 04:39:15,186
that he becomes
kind of vulnerable

6528
04:39:15,290 --> 04:39:17,775
and somebody
that you're sort of rooting for.

6529
04:39:17,879 --> 04:39:20,743
- Who am I now?
- You're a fucking poser.

6530
04:39:20,847 --> 04:39:22,047
Finally, he's facing
the truth

6531
04:39:22,090 --> 04:39:23,608
that for years, you know,

6532
04:39:23,712 --> 04:39:25,586
someone like Dr. Foley
was trying to get out of him,

6533
04:39:25,610 --> 04:39:31,375
but it took a special killer
doll to pull it out of him.

6534
04:39:31,478 --> 04:39:37,070
It's incredible to have a dummy
that looks exactly like you

6535
04:39:37,174 --> 04:39:38,841
getting a drill
through the back of the head

6536
04:39:38,865 --> 04:39:40,394
and you just standing there
like this, going,

6537
04:39:40,418 --> 04:39:43,076
"Oh, I should really...
I don't know...

6538
04:39:43,180 --> 04:39:45,054
I should really be thinking
about my life right now.

6539
04:39:45,078 --> 04:39:46,597
What am I doing here?"

6540
04:39:49,358 --> 04:39:54,087
I also wanted
to take advantage of Fiona.

6541
04:39:54,191 --> 04:39:56,987
Her real-life laugh
sounds like Chucky.

6542
04:39:57,090 --> 04:39:58,298
And at first I thought, like,

6543
04:39:58,402 --> 04:40:00,991
are you deliberately
doing Chucky?

6544
04:40:01,094 --> 04:40:02,647
It's my actual laugh.

6545
04:40:02,751 --> 04:40:04,625
You could walk into a party
of 50 people and be like,

6546
04:40:04,649 --> 04:40:06,617
"Oh, Fiona's here."

6547
04:40:06,720 --> 04:40:09,033
I think the cackle's genetic.

6548
04:40:09,137 --> 04:40:11,242
This is the end, fucker!

6549
04:40:11,346 --> 04:40:14,314
To also be able to see
Andy exact his revenge

6550
04:40:14,418 --> 04:40:17,076
so personally
is also really cool.

6551
04:40:17,179 --> 04:40:18,732
It was my favorite day
on set.

6552
04:40:18,836 --> 04:40:20,907
I get to stomp
a Chucky's face in.

6553
04:40:21,011 --> 04:40:26,257
Any time the doll gets
nailed by some horrible death,

6554
04:40:26,361 --> 04:40:31,745
people seem to really be into
that, too, for whatever reason.

6555
04:40:31,849 --> 04:40:33,402
At this point,

6556
04:40:33,506 --> 04:40:36,164
you know, she's not really Nica.
She's possessed by Chucky.

6557
04:40:36,267 --> 04:40:38,028
It's an interesting
little moment.

6558
04:40:38,131 --> 04:40:39,961
And, of course, she traps him

6559
04:40:40,064 --> 04:40:43,033
in the asylum and scoots
away scot-free.

6560
04:40:43,136 --> 04:40:45,276
Tag, you're it, pal.

6561
04:40:45,380 --> 04:40:48,245
Hey, sweet face.

6562
04:40:48,348 --> 04:40:50,316
Good to see you back
on your feet.

6563
04:40:50,419 --> 04:40:54,009
I think Nica
never wanted to meet Tiffany.

6564
04:40:54,113 --> 04:40:58,013
I think Charles Lee Ray
was stoked to meet Tiffany again

6565
04:40:58,117 --> 04:41:00,982
in some whatever twisted
romantic thing they have.

6566
04:41:01,085 --> 04:41:04,019
The end of this movie,
myself and Nica kiss,

6567
04:41:04,123 --> 04:41:06,401
get into a truck,
and drive off together.

6568
04:41:06,504 --> 04:41:09,197
It, you know... just fun
to have these two actors

6569
04:41:09,300 --> 04:41:11,406
from disparate parts
of the franchise

6570
04:41:11,509 --> 04:41:14,098
finally meet
and surprisingly team up.

6571
04:41:14,202 --> 04:41:16,376
That's when you first
saw Tiffany

6572
04:41:16,480 --> 04:41:19,138
as sort of
a smooth master criminal,

6573
04:41:19,241 --> 04:41:23,107
and you saw a woman
that was really in control

6574
04:41:23,211 --> 04:41:25,144
and sort of masterminding

6575
04:41:25,247 --> 04:41:26,767
some of the things
that were happening,

6576
04:41:26,835 --> 04:41:29,527
and that was a very interesting
direction for her to go.

6577
04:41:29,631 --> 04:41:34,222
And Nica... she's got this dude
kind of walk to her and,

6578
04:41:34,325 --> 04:41:37,018
you know, she kisses Jennifer
so passionately,

6579
04:41:37,121 --> 04:41:38,778
and I really do,
I think it's brilliant.

6580
04:41:38,882 --> 04:41:43,231
It was -45 degrees
in Winnipeg.

6581
04:41:43,334 --> 04:41:47,097
It's so freezing.
Like, snow is everywhere.

6582
04:41:47,200 --> 04:41:49,099
And so I'm asking two
of my dearest friends

6583
04:41:49,202 --> 04:41:52,550
to make out
in a blizzard.

6584
04:41:52,654 --> 04:41:54,104
And it's 40 below.

6585
04:41:54,207 --> 04:41:58,418
I cannot believe
you call yourself a director.

6586
04:41:58,522 --> 04:41:59,730
She did not say that.

6587
04:41:59,833 --> 04:42:01,421
That's, like, when
the friendship

6588
04:42:01,525 --> 04:42:04,977
part of the relationship
really pays off.

6589
04:42:05,080 --> 04:42:06,564
I am her favorite director.

6590
04:42:06,668 --> 04:42:08,428
He's my favorite director ever!

6591
04:42:08,532 --> 04:42:12,398
So we wanted to do this thing
where we kiss...

6592
04:42:12,501 --> 04:42:15,401
we kiss and then I slap her...
him, Chucky...

6593
04:42:15,504 --> 04:42:18,404
and then she slaps me back
and then we kiss again.

6594
04:42:18,507 --> 04:42:20,509
We just thought that that...
and we're laughing.

6595
04:42:20,613 --> 04:42:22,413
We just thought
that was, like, a great thing.

6596
04:42:22,477 --> 04:42:25,169
Don was like, "Girls!
What are you doing?!"

6597
04:42:25,273 --> 04:42:26,860
And then they get in the car

6598
04:42:26,964 --> 04:42:28,769
and then there's the Tiffany
doll in the back seat laughing.

6599
04:42:28,793 --> 04:42:31,451
It's like it just keeps building
on top of itself.

6600
04:42:31,555 --> 04:42:33,212
And I really like that
as an ending.

6601
04:42:33,315 --> 04:42:35,283
I thought it was a really,
really strong ending

6602
04:42:35,386 --> 04:42:37,354
and they literally drive off.

6603
04:42:37,457 --> 04:42:40,426
It's like, where can this go?
They can go literally anywhere.

6604
04:42:40,529 --> 04:42:43,256
The end of "Cult of Chucky"
left this cliffhanger.

6605
04:42:43,360 --> 04:42:46,570
I was like, "Drive me away.
Great.

6606
04:42:46,673 --> 04:42:47,847
Like, I'll do this again."

6607
04:42:47,951 --> 04:42:49,504
Who are we kidding?

6608
04:42:49,607 --> 04:42:53,059
Chucky can come alive no matter
how badly he's murdered.

6609
04:42:53,163 --> 04:42:55,268
There's a sequel coming.

6610
04:42:55,372 --> 04:42:58,271
You know, there's bucks
to be made.

6611
04:42:58,375 --> 04:42:59,859
Kyle?

6612
04:42:59,963 --> 04:43:01,205
Andy sent me.

6613
04:43:01,309 --> 04:43:02,551
We're gonna have some fun.

6614
04:43:02,655 --> 04:43:04,898
You know, after having
tested the waters

6615
04:43:05,002 --> 04:43:08,419
with Alex/Andy in "Curse,"

6616
04:43:08,523 --> 04:43:10,732
it was great
to finally bring Christine in.

6617
04:43:10,835 --> 04:43:13,217
They were running over.
The producers were trying

6618
04:43:13,321 --> 04:43:15,219
to pull it and say,
"We're not gonna do it.

6619
04:43:15,323 --> 04:43:17,221
We don't have time.
We're not gonna do it."

6620
04:43:17,325 --> 04:43:18,958
And I'd been I'd been there
for five days.

6621
04:43:18,982 --> 04:43:21,222
I've been standing around
in the freezing cold all night.

6622
04:43:21,260 --> 04:43:23,848
And Don's like, "No, she's here.
We're gonna do it."

6623
04:43:23,952 --> 04:43:25,232
So it almost didn't even happen,

6624
04:43:25,264 --> 04:43:26,575
even though I was
standing there.

6625
04:43:26,679 --> 04:43:28,243
And I got like three...
three shots at it.

6626
04:43:28,267 --> 04:43:29,451
One, two, three takes,
and that was that.

6627
04:43:29,475 --> 04:43:31,166
For a moment, it looked like

6628
04:43:31,270 --> 04:43:32,972
"Are we gonna have to
scrap this whole idea?"

6629
04:43:32,996 --> 04:43:36,792
And I really didn't want to
'cause I really wanted Kyle

6630
04:43:36,896 --> 04:43:38,380
to be at the end of the movie.

6631
04:43:38,484 --> 04:43:40,658
The hat that I wear
in "Child's Play 2" was my hat.

6632
04:43:40,762 --> 04:43:42,384
It was my lucky hat.

6633
04:43:42,488 --> 04:43:44,638
And when Don found that I still
had it, he made me bring it

6634
04:43:44,662 --> 04:43:46,526
so I could wear it
for my reappearance

6635
04:43:46,630 --> 04:43:47,838
at the end of "Cult."

6636
04:43:47,941 --> 04:43:50,013
I mean,
she's such a strong character.

6637
04:43:50,116 --> 04:43:51,876
It was so great
to see her show back up.

6638
04:43:51,980 --> 04:43:54,258
Yeah, really, really happy
it happened.

6639
04:43:54,362 --> 04:43:56,226
The lunatics taking
over the asylum

6640
04:43:56,329 --> 04:44:00,437
and leaving it in bloody ruins
meant the shoot was a success.

6641
04:44:00,540 --> 04:44:02,887
The next course of treatment
was to edit the film,

6642
04:44:02,991 --> 04:44:07,823
create the score, and bring all
the madness and mayhem together.

6643
04:44:07,927 --> 04:44:10,447
The post process was
very tight,

6644
04:44:10,550 --> 04:44:13,657
so while Don was shooting
in Winnipeg,

6645
04:44:13,760 --> 04:44:16,246
I was in Los Angeles,
and I would get the dailies

6646
04:44:16,349 --> 04:44:19,145
the next day, and so the scene
they shot on Monday,

6647
04:44:19,249 --> 04:44:20,526
I would cut on Tuesday.

6648
04:44:20,629 --> 04:44:24,081
"Cult" was, uh,
a long time brewing.

6649
04:44:24,185 --> 04:44:26,325
And so, you know,
Don made me aware of it

6650
04:44:26,428 --> 04:44:28,051
even from the script point.

6651
04:44:28,154 --> 04:44:30,122
So on "Cult,"
Don was the producer,

6652
04:44:30,225 --> 04:44:31,744
the writer, the director.

6653
04:44:31,847 --> 04:44:35,230
And I had him all alone
in the editing room.

6654
04:44:35,334 --> 04:44:37,612
Well, my first pitch
for "Cult" was that,

6655
04:44:37,715 --> 04:44:39,890
"Oh, we're in
an intimate setting,

6656
04:44:39,993 --> 04:44:41,143
so let's just have
five strings."

6657
04:44:41,167 --> 04:44:42,824
And that didn't go over well.

6658
04:44:42,927 --> 04:44:46,276
I think that the idea is that
Don's cinematography

6659
04:44:46,379 --> 04:44:50,590
and his palette, uh, visually,
is so large and so broad

6660
04:44:50,694 --> 04:44:54,249
that he really likes to see
the music just as colorful.

6661
04:44:54,353 --> 04:44:58,081
I think there's more
cinematic moments in "Cult,"

6662
04:44:58,184 --> 04:45:01,153
and that's definitely
Don's esthetic as well.

6663
04:45:01,256 --> 04:45:04,328
It was three weeks,
80-plus minutes of music.

6664
04:45:04,432 --> 04:45:05,847
It went down really quickly.

6665
04:45:05,950 --> 04:45:07,849
First time I saw it
was a rough cut.

6666
04:45:07,952 --> 04:45:09,230
I knew it was good.

6667
04:45:09,333 --> 04:45:11,094
I saw it and went,
"Yeah, this works."

6668
04:45:11,197 --> 04:45:12,785
So the first time I saw "Cult,"

6669
04:45:12,888 --> 04:45:16,789
I think it was at a screening
with... full of fans,

6670
04:45:16,892 --> 04:45:18,446
which was amazing.

6671
04:45:18,549 --> 04:45:21,414
I brought my Mom,
who I warned, you know,

6672
04:45:21,518 --> 04:45:24,314
"I'm gonna die again,"
but she loved it.

6673
04:45:24,417 --> 04:45:27,006
It just did
what a great horror movie does.

6674
04:45:27,110 --> 04:45:29,595
It just builds and builds
and builds,

6675
04:45:29,698 --> 04:45:32,460
and you just think,
how can this get any scarier?

6676
04:45:32,563 --> 04:45:34,358
How can this get any worse?

6677
04:45:34,462 --> 04:45:36,222
How can it get any gorier?

6678
04:45:36,326 --> 04:45:37,879
And it was such a moment
for me

6679
04:45:37,982 --> 04:45:39,581
because it was the first movie
that I could remember,

6680
04:45:39,605 --> 04:45:41,469
really, that I was proud of,

6681
04:45:41,572 --> 04:45:44,057
I was proud to be a part of,
I was proud to contribute.

6682
04:45:44,161 --> 04:45:46,922
It was a blast.

6683
04:45:47,026 --> 04:45:48,476
My friends were all like,
"We, uh...

6684
04:45:48,579 --> 04:45:51,410
we struggled a lot
to watch you get decapitated,"

6685
04:45:51,513 --> 04:45:53,284
but I had, like,
childhood friends who were like,

6686
04:45:53,308 --> 04:45:54,620
"This is the best thing ever!

6687
04:45:54,723 --> 04:45:56,363
I love that you're
a part of this series."

6688
04:45:56,449 --> 04:45:58,727
Seeing the movie
for the first time was insane.

6689
04:45:58,831 --> 04:46:00,591
It's my first time
seeing Chucky split.

6690
04:46:00,695 --> 04:46:03,491
I think it was a huge deal
for everybody,

6691
04:46:03,594 --> 04:46:06,321
so it was really cool to see it
come to life on screen.

6692
04:46:06,425 --> 04:46:09,669
"Cult" is my favorite film
in the franchise.

6693
04:46:09,773 --> 04:46:12,293
I love how it's shot.

6694
04:46:12,396 --> 04:46:14,605
I think that "Cult"
is a masterpiece.

6695
04:46:14,709 --> 04:46:17,367
Chucky's spell over those
working on the film

6696
04:46:17,470 --> 04:46:19,196
had clearly been cast,

6697
04:46:19,300 --> 04:46:21,267
but the true test
would be the reception

6698
04:46:21,371 --> 04:46:23,787
from critics and audiences
at large,

6699
04:46:23,890 --> 04:46:28,240
and by all accounts,
the response was insane.

6700
04:46:28,343 --> 04:46:30,794
The critical reception
to "Cult" was phenomenal,

6701
04:46:30,897 --> 04:46:35,143
especially for a seventh
installment of a franchise.

6702
04:46:35,247 --> 04:46:36,967
This movie got really,
really good reviews,

6703
04:46:37,007 --> 04:46:40,769
including from places like
"The Hollywood Reporter."

6704
04:46:40,873 --> 04:46:42,530
And, you know,
there's the line about it

6705
04:46:42,633 --> 04:46:44,232
being kind of like a low-budget
de Palma movie,

6706
04:46:44,256 --> 04:46:46,292
which is a great way
of describing it.

6707
04:46:46,396 --> 04:46:50,193
It way outdid what
their expectations were.

6708
04:46:50,296 --> 04:46:53,057
There are so many Don
subverting expectations

6709
04:46:53,161 --> 04:46:55,128
in so many places,

6710
04:46:55,232 --> 04:46:57,200
and fans really
responded to that.

6711
04:46:57,303 --> 04:46:58,787
Don always has surprises,

6712
04:46:58,891 --> 04:47:01,134
and I think that's why the show
has endured for so long.

6713
04:47:01,238 --> 04:47:05,000
He never tries to do a retread
of something that came before.

6714
04:47:05,104 --> 04:47:06,347
He's the ultimate fan.

6715
04:47:06,450 --> 04:47:09,419
I'm always on this quest
to experiment,

6716
04:47:09,522 --> 04:47:13,423
to find what is
the perfect balance of humor

6717
04:47:13,526 --> 04:47:15,873
and horror and camp and meta?

6718
04:47:15,977 --> 04:47:20,326
So there are new "Chucky" fans
coming along all the time,

6719
04:47:20,430 --> 04:47:21,948
and so "Cult of Chucky"

6720
04:47:22,052 --> 04:47:24,848
might be somebody's
first exposure to any of this,

6721
04:47:24,951 --> 04:47:27,609
and they discover, oh, wait,
there's these other movies?

6722
04:47:27,713 --> 04:47:30,060
And then that
that's the incentive

6723
04:47:30,163 --> 04:47:31,441
to go back and check those out.

6724
04:47:31,544 --> 04:47:35,065
Taking time between movies
is a good thing.

6725
04:47:35,168 --> 04:47:36,756
I think it helps.

6726
04:47:36,860 --> 04:47:38,665
You know, I'm not thinking
about the box office of it.

6727
04:47:38,689 --> 04:47:41,451
I'm thinking of the horror fans
and the horror culture.

6728
04:47:41,554 --> 04:47:44,626
So I actually think, like,
withholding some of these things

6729
04:47:44,730 --> 04:47:46,628
for a few years...
I actually think it's good

6730
04:47:46,732 --> 04:47:49,217
for the series
and good for the franchise.

6731
04:47:49,321 --> 04:47:51,392
Though Chucky first
slashed his way

6732
04:47:51,495 --> 04:47:53,877
through audiences'
hearts in 1988,

6733
04:47:53,980 --> 04:47:56,742
the character proved
he could still knock 'em dead

6734
04:47:56,845 --> 04:47:59,917
decades later,
and while that road to success

6735
04:48:00,021 --> 04:48:01,816
may have been paved

6736
04:48:01,919 --> 04:48:03,162
with plenty of carnage,

6737
04:48:03,266 --> 04:48:05,164
the journey maintained
old friendships,

6738
04:48:05,268 --> 04:48:06,717
embraced new ones,

6739
04:48:06,821 --> 04:48:10,756
and proved a true classic
never goes out of style.

6740
04:48:10,859 --> 04:48:13,379
The success of every project
is a conglomeration

6741
04:48:13,483 --> 04:48:15,081
of the people
that are doing the project,

6742
04:48:15,105 --> 04:48:18,902
and where you are
and what mood everybody is in.

6743
04:48:19,005 --> 04:48:20,386
It was fantastic.

6744
04:48:20,490 --> 04:48:22,157
Making "Cult of Chucky"
was like getting to be

6745
04:48:22,181 --> 04:48:24,839
part of the sort of movies
you watched when you were a kid,

6746
04:48:24,942 --> 04:48:26,910
where it's a bit of a sci-fi,
you know?

6747
04:48:27,013 --> 04:48:30,258
It's a bit of a sci-fi, it's
a bit of an evil-doctor thing.

6748
04:48:30,362 --> 04:48:31,602
And it was very nice to be part

6749
04:48:31,673 --> 04:48:33,365
of something
you would have watched

6750
04:48:33,468 --> 04:48:34,997
and thought was really cool
back when you were 10.

6751
04:48:35,021 --> 04:48:38,542
It's always a blast.
It's all good. It's fun.

6752
04:48:38,646 --> 04:48:41,407
Thank you for having me back,
Don, and I look forward

6753
04:48:41,511 --> 04:48:42,650
to seeing you in the future.

6754
04:48:42,753 --> 04:48:45,273
Don is a really loyal person.

6755
04:48:45,377 --> 04:48:47,793
He falls in love
with his cast in a way

6756
04:48:47,896 --> 04:48:52,038
I think most showrunners
and writer-directors don't.

6757
04:48:52,142 --> 04:48:53,557
I had the chance
to experiment

6758
04:48:53,661 --> 04:48:56,940
and do not just Chucky
as a normal character,

6759
04:48:57,043 --> 04:48:59,908
but do multiple versions of him
and a disembodied head of him

6760
04:49:00,012 --> 04:49:03,429
and hopefully make people
laugh and scream.

6761
04:49:03,533 --> 04:49:05,500
And that's really
why I'm there.

6762
04:49:05,604 --> 04:49:10,160
It's an all-encompassing,
challenging art form.

6763
04:49:10,263 --> 04:49:12,369
And it sounds ridiculous,

6764
04:49:12,473 --> 04:49:14,716
but Chucky is Shakespearean.

6765
04:49:14,820 --> 04:49:16,339
The crew was unbelievable.

6766
04:49:16,442 --> 04:49:18,548
Everybody was really,
really warm.

6767
04:49:18,651 --> 04:49:20,042
They made us feel like
we were their family.

6768
04:49:20,066 --> 04:49:23,553
I'm really glad and honored
to have met Don

6769
04:49:23,656 --> 04:49:26,176
and the people involved
in the production,

6770
04:49:26,279 --> 04:49:30,732
and it was an absolute bloody
pleasure to die this way.

6771
04:49:30,836 --> 04:49:34,564
The easiest and most fun part
about "Cult of Chucky"

6772
04:49:34,667 --> 04:49:36,220
was the camaraderie.

6773
04:49:36,324 --> 04:49:37,884
We knew we were doing
something special.

6774
04:49:37,981 --> 04:49:40,673
I light up because I have
such fond memories of that time.

6775
04:49:40,777 --> 04:49:44,263
I feel lucky that
I got to do it, yeah.

6776
04:49:44,367 --> 04:49:46,127
I honestly had
a really good time,

6777
04:49:46,230 --> 04:49:48,543
and it's a very fond memory
of mine.

6778
04:49:48,647 --> 04:49:50,718
Chucky and I have
a bit of a feud still.

6779
04:49:50,821 --> 04:49:52,513
He flipped me off a few times.

6780
04:49:52,616 --> 04:49:54,687
So he's kind of a dick
like that.

6781
04:49:56,931 --> 04:49:59,071
But, you know, at the...
at the very end of it,

6782
04:49:59,174 --> 04:50:00,762
he's still my friend to the end.

6783
04:50:00,866 --> 04:50:03,731
Being part of
the "Child's Play" franchise

6784
04:50:03,834 --> 04:50:06,906
feels like I won
some weird lottery

6785
04:50:07,010 --> 04:50:10,151
that I still can't
totally explain to myself.

6786
04:50:10,254 --> 04:50:14,155
My family connection to it,
um, feels significant.

6787
04:50:14,258 --> 04:50:17,400
It's something that's just been
around me my whole life.

6788
04:50:17,503 --> 04:50:20,679
I just feel, like, so lucky.

6789
04:50:20,782 --> 04:50:23,509
It's just so lucky.
So thank you.

6790
04:50:23,613 --> 04:50:25,166
Thank you to the fans.

6791
04:50:25,269 --> 04:50:27,755
Thank you to Don Mancini.
Thank you to the producers.

6792
04:50:27,858 --> 04:50:30,758
I feel very, very lucky
to be part of this franchise.

6793
04:50:30,861 --> 04:50:32,725
I love Tiffany.
I love all the characters.

6794
04:50:32,829 --> 04:50:34,520
But it really
is a "Chucky" family,

6795
04:50:34,624 --> 04:50:36,142
everybody supporting each other

6796
04:50:36,246 --> 04:50:39,111
and working really hard
to make a good product.

6797
04:50:39,214 --> 04:50:41,147
I mean, it's a family.

6798
04:50:41,251 --> 04:50:44,427
I couldn't turn it down
if I wanted to, you know?

6799
04:50:44,530 --> 04:50:47,740
Um, "Chucky" is...
is a family project.

6800
04:50:47,844 --> 04:50:51,606
I consider Don Mancini
to be a friend, and, um,

6801
04:50:51,710 --> 04:50:55,748
and I could never bring myself
to say no to him.

6802
04:50:55,852 --> 04:50:58,061
You know, um,
don't tell him that.

6803
04:50:58,164 --> 04:51:03,204
I have enormous pride to have
been part of this franchise

6804
04:51:03,307 --> 04:51:07,657
that started off as a movie
with no thoughts of franchise,

6805
04:51:07,760 --> 04:51:11,039
being able to work with
so many talented people,

6806
04:51:11,143 --> 04:51:14,940
the Kevin Yaghers of the world,
the Tony Gardners of the world,

6807
04:51:15,043 --> 04:51:17,805
all of these people
bringing this to life.

6808
04:51:17,908 --> 04:51:19,634
It's more than half of my life

6809
04:51:19,738 --> 04:51:23,155
that I that I have been
a part of this.

6810
04:51:23,258 --> 04:51:25,640
And it does make me
feel good

6811
04:51:25,744 --> 04:51:28,781
that I saw something
in that first script

6812
04:51:28,885 --> 04:51:32,095
that I felt
that other people would love.

6813
04:51:32,198 --> 04:51:35,616
And I've been very fortunate
to be part of this ride.

6814
04:51:35,719 --> 04:51:37,790
I love the world we've created.

6815
04:51:37,894 --> 04:51:40,448
We have a lot of characters
and relationships.

6816
04:51:40,552 --> 04:51:42,208
There's a lot going on.

6817
04:51:42,312 --> 04:51:44,970
So I feel very, very lucky

6818
04:51:45,073 --> 04:51:48,732
to be able to keep expanding it,
pursuing it.

6819
04:51:48,836 --> 04:51:50,354
That's what Chucky means to me.

6820
04:51:50,458 --> 04:51:55,498
He allows me to express
this subversive perspective

6821
04:51:55,601 --> 04:51:58,570
on the world,
and I'm super grateful

6822
04:51:58,673 --> 04:52:01,434
to the people like yourselves
who support it.

6823
04:52:19,038 --> 04:52:21,006
Oh, man,
I'm not doing the chant, guys.

6824
04:52:22,801 --> 04:52:26,494
Guys, you really want
to open that box?

6825
04:52:26,598 --> 04:52:30,774
Ade Due Damballa!

6826
04:52:30,878 --> 04:52:33,777
Give me the power,
I beg of you!

6827
04:52:33,881 --> 04:52:36,021
Hi. I'm Chucky. Wanna play?

6828
04:52:36,124 --> 04:52:39,645
It's time to forget
these fantasies of killer dolls.

6829
04:52:39,749 --> 04:52:41,336
I'll do it like Tiffany.

6830
04:52:41,440 --> 04:52:44,754
Ade Due Damballa.

6831
04:52:44,857 --> 04:52:48,033
Give me the power, I beg of you.

6832
04:52:48,136 --> 04:52:51,484
All I hear is Jennifer Tilly.
Ade Due Damballa.

6833
04:52:51,588 --> 04:52:54,004
Give me the power,
I beg of thee.

6834
04:52:54,108 --> 04:52:57,525
French, French, amort,
French, something.

6835
04:52:57,629 --> 04:53:00,873
Leveau mercier du bois
chaloitte.

6836
04:53:00,977 --> 04:53:03,807
Secoise entienne mais pois
de morte.

6837
04:53:03,911 --> 04:53:06,016
You are without a doubt

6838
04:53:06,120 --> 04:53:09,364
the most pathetic thing
I've ever seen.

6839
04:53:09,468 --> 04:53:11,401
Wouldn't you agree?

6840
04:53:11,504 --> 04:53:12,920
I remember that line now!

6841
04:53:13,023 --> 04:53:14,715
I fucking remember that line.

6842
04:53:14,818 --> 04:53:16,337
Last time I'm gonna tell you.

6843
04:53:16,440 --> 04:53:20,065
Get rid of that thing a rest,
or... something else.

6844
04:53:20,168 --> 04:53:21,376
Ha!

6845
04:53:21,480 --> 04:53:23,862
Ade Due Damballa.

6846
04:53:23,965 --> 04:53:26,174
Give me the power,
I beg of you.

6847
04:53:26,278 --> 04:53:29,039
You've seen dolls that pee?
This one bleeds.

6848
04:53:29,143 --> 04:53:31,076
We need you to put
a little more into it, DJ.

6849
04:53:31,179 --> 04:53:34,286
I'm not really feeling
like you're feeling it,

6850
04:53:34,389 --> 04:53:37,185
so try to channel
whatever you've got in there.

6851
04:53:37,289 --> 04:53:39,015
Let me give you
a little quick fluff here.

6852
04:53:39,118 --> 04:53:41,396
Ooh! Something
really stinks in here.

6853
04:53:41,500 --> 04:53:43,053
Ade Due Damballa.

6854
04:53:43,157 --> 04:53:45,124
Give me the power,
I beg of you.

6855
04:53:45,228 --> 04:53:48,162
I just like, ooh, why did they
have to do this goobly-gock?

6856
04:53:48,265 --> 04:53:50,682
Jennifer, if anything
happens to me,

6857
04:53:50,785 --> 04:53:53,685
I want you to know that I-I...

6858
04:53:53,788 --> 04:53:55,859
Uh, let's not get crazy.
It's 8:00.

6859
04:53:55,963 --> 04:53:58,621
We've been here for 6 hours.

6860
04:53:58,724 --> 04:54:00,553
So the first one is,
"Oh, sweet Jesus.

6861
04:54:00,657 --> 04:54:02,452
God bless the little people."

6862
04:54:02,555 --> 04:54:05,075
And I'm back.

6863
04:54:05,179 --> 04:54:08,389
Oh, this is funny.
You silly guys.

6864
04:54:08,492 --> 04:54:13,774
I mean, print media is dead.
Ian's working at Starbucks.

6865
04:54:13,877 --> 04:54:15,361
I feel like I had
pithy stories,

6866
04:54:15,465 --> 04:54:17,236
but I feel like all the stuff
I want to tell you

6867
04:54:17,260 --> 04:54:20,090
is stuff I probably
shouldn't say.

6868
04:54:20,194 --> 04:54:22,058
Ade Due Damballa.

6869
04:54:22,161 --> 04:54:24,716
Give me the power,
I beg of you!

6870
04:54:24,819 --> 04:54:28,029
It's a doll. What's the worst
that can happen, huh?

6871
04:54:28,133 --> 04:54:31,861
Oh, nowyou're ready, Bill?

6872
04:54:31,964 --> 04:54:33,207
Okay.

6873
04:54:33,310 --> 04:54:35,623
I realize I'm giving you
a lot of good stories

6874
04:54:35,727 --> 04:54:39,178
and nothing you can use.

6875
04:54:39,282 --> 04:54:41,940
Andy?

6876
04:54:42,043 --> 04:54:43,700
I can't.

6877
04:54:46,565 --> 04:54:48,429
Oh, you're killing me!

6878
04:54:48,532 --> 04:54:51,363
Oh, my God, this is...
I think this is my whole part.

6879
04:54:51,466 --> 04:54:54,953
Nica, thank you so much.
The chili was delicious.

6880
04:54:55,056 --> 04:54:59,889
Dr. Foley, it's true!
He's alive!

6881
04:55:01,614 --> 04:55:04,134
You've already burned
through my...

6882
04:55:04,238 --> 04:55:07,103
my cerebral cortex,
you've moved into my cerebellum,

6883
04:55:07,206 --> 04:55:10,554
and it's exiting out
my cervical spine.

6884
04:55:10,658 --> 04:55:13,903
I've missed these
little sessions of ours.

6885
04:55:14,006 --> 04:55:16,146
- Haven't you?
- I can hear him.

6886
04:55:16,250 --> 04:55:19,046
I can still hear Chucky
inside my head.

6887
04:55:19,149 --> 04:55:22,981
Ade Due Damballa.
Give me the power, I beg of you.

6888
04:55:23,084 --> 04:55:24,510
- Is that all you need?
- That's all we need.

6889
04:55:24,534 --> 04:55:26,985
Oh, okay. Oh, I can
do that better, though.

6890
04:55:27,088 --> 04:55:29,470
Christ, there's a lot
of lines here.

6891
04:55:29,573 --> 04:55:31,334
No.
No, Tommy.

6892
04:55:31,437 --> 04:55:34,544
I'm tired.

6893
04:55:34,647 --> 04:55:37,512
This is the end, friends.

6894
04:55:37,616 --> 04:55:40,964
Ade Due Damballa.

6895
04:55:41,068 --> 04:55:44,243
Give me the power,
I beg of you.

6896
04:55:44,347 --> 04:55:46,521
Let me be in focus.