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Oh my God.
A man is dead on Aspen Hill Road.
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- What? Ma'am?
- Oh my God. This is...
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Ma'am, listen to me!
What is wrong?
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A man has been killed
in front of me.
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We have one down.
There's blood all over. I'm at the Mobil...
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This was not a static scene.
It certainly wasn't secure.
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So I went to my trunk
and put on a ballistic vest.
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If there's a shooter out here, you know,
we can't do our job if we get shot.
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And then chaos erupted, literally.
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Montgomery County.
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Somebody's been shot
on our back lot.
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We need an ambulance
at the corner of Mills and Connecticut.
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Got blood coming
out of her nose and her mouth.
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There was that feeling.
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Not so much, "When's it gonna stop?"
but, "Where's next?"
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911.
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We're not sure if he was shot.
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We had a lady shot
in our parking lot.
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Oh, I'm scared.
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I thought, "Oh boy.
This is just gonna be hell."
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Good mornin'.
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I'm Terry Ryan, a retired police detective
from Montgomery County, Maryland.
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My father was in television.
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He was in station management
for one of the local broadcast facilities.
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And, um, he would go out to crime scenes.
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And he would often bring me along.
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I have early memories,
maybe ten years old, hoppin' in the car
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and drivin' to a... a nearby event.
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My buddies
thought it was a little goofy.
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That was kinda my introduction
to homicide investigation.
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I was assigned
to the department's major crimes division.
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I was in the homicides section there,
um, when these events began to occur.
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And it was anything but a normal morning.
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At the corner of Aspen Hill Road,
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which runs in and out of Washington, D.C.,
out to the suburbs.
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It was our rush hour, still, that morning.
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There were several patrol officers
already present.
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They had established a perimeter
with crime scene tape.
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And also were interviewing
folks that were standin' by.
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A bang was heard by a lady who was
also getting gas at an adjacent gas pump.
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She heard the victim say,
"I've been shot," as he dropped.
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No one sees anyone running.
A person, a speeding vehicle.
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Nothing to suggest
what might have occurred.
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We had a general idea where the shot
may have come from, directionally,
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but you don't know
if it came, at that point,
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from a moving vehicle passing by
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or from the shopping center
across the street.
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I was lookin' for the projectile.
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Or a shell casing.
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And we didn't find anything.
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My supervisor at the time,
uh, was Sergeant Roger Thomson.
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He ran the crew I was assigned to.
Or squad.
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Roger's the best supervisor
you could imagine having.
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You need to...
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- We did that already.
- You did that already?
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Basically, I grew up
in Montgomery County, Maryland.
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I went to school there,
went to high school there.
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And then I worked there,
uh, for the rest of my career.
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I was a police officer for 30 years.
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I was a detective for 20 years.
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And I really enjoyed
being able to put the pieces together
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to try to figure out the puzzle.
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When I got to the Mobil station,
and Terry Ryan is tellin' me
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what has happened at the scene.
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And then I received a phone call...
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...to tell me that we had another shooting.
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This woman was shot while she was sitting
on a bench in front of a fast food store.
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Just a mile or so away.
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So I have two different crime scenes
within a matter of minutes.
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Highly unusual.
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We don't have that many homicides
in Montgomery County.
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I'm thinkin' about, who else can I send?
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Because I've run out of people
to send to the, uh... to the crime scene.
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I was on a cell phone,
talking with the commanders,
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talking with the...
the people at both scenes.
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And then I receive a phone call
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from an investigator
who's down at the hospital
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to update me that a possible accident
that he's on is actually a shooting.
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The victim was mowin' a lawn,
and he was shot in broad daylight.
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Just like the other people.
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So, now we have three murder victims.
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And we had no eyewitnesses
as to where this, uh, shooter was.
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We got a problem.
What the hell's really goin' on?
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We're all faced with somethin'
we hadn't dealt with before.
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I was somewhat fearful of, uh,
maybe getting shot while I was there.
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I didn't know
where the shooting was coming from.
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Roger had kinda seen it all.
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But I could sense just from his eyes...
he had a different vibe goin' on.
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Intense.
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Each supervisor
up the chain of command,
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they're all comin' at Roger.
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"What do you know?"
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And he's kinda in a situation
he hasn't been in too often.
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There's very little to tell.
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We have no witnesses.
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Everybody heard the gun going off,
but nobody saw it.
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Your adrenaline's goin' all the time.
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And tryin' to keep your adrenaline
from... from taking over.
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You're trying to keep from
losing your mind, basically.
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He's got it. Go handheld, Doug.
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Now we have a steady stream
of reporters, cameramen coming down.
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Take a look behind me.
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This is the gas station,
the Mobil gas station.
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Where the shooting happened...
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We're trying to keep them away from
these crime scenes, but it's difficult
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because you don't have
enough personnel to do that.
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Breaking news right now.
Investigators continue to...
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...to link three shootings
in Montgomery County.
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A man pumping gas,
a woman sitting at a bench...
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There were more news reporters
and cameramen
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than there were police officers.
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And honestly,
it made it a little more difficult
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for us to do our job.
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In Montgomery County,
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the shooter remains
out there on the loose.
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It was tough to talk to your colleagues
because the media, law enforcement
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all used the same wireless carrier
at the time.
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And there was just so much radio traffic.
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911, what's your emergency?
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Yeah. We need an ambulance
at the corner of Mills and Connecticut.
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Here we go again.
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There's been another shooting
at a gas station a few miles away.
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I called my mother
because she frequented that gas station.
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And I told her not to go outside
and not to go to any stores in the area.
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"Just don't leave the house."
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Roger approached me and... and said,
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"I hate to do this to you,
but, um... there's another event."
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"We gotta get somebody down there.
Will you go?"
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It was an incident involvin'
a young woman in her 20s. A mother.
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Ms. Rivera was vacuuming her van,
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which was parked just beyond here
at a coin vacuum that's still here.
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Mr. Rivera, uh,
Lori Ann's husband, was contacted.
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Uh, he came to the scene.
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I had to notify him of his wife's death.
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I could just see the emotion.
I mean, he was grieving, himself.
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He said, "What do I tell my kid?"
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I'm sorry. It's just, you know. It's...
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Just take your time.
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I'm good. I'm good.
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I was glad I got to the office
because I could sit down
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and try to get things pieced together.
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I'd be able to take
all the information I had
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and try to make
some kind of sense out of it.
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We get information from the night shift
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about another shooting
that happened the night before.
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Right around 6:00 p.m., um,
Mr. Martin was shot at a shopping center.
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And of course, once again, there were
no eyewitnesses to the shooting. None.
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I know that I have five shootings.
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The night before,
Mr. Martin was shot.
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The following morning,
the very first shooting was Mr. Buchanan.
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Witnesses heard a loud bang.
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They thought his lawnmower had exploded
and hit him.
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I've got Walekar shot
at the Mobil station.
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Sarah Ramos is shot at the shopping center
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just north of where Mr. Walekar was shot.
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Then poor Rivera was shot
at the Shell station.
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Generally, there's some kind
of connection between a victim
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and the suspect.
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Do they all work at the same place?
Do they all live in the same place?
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Did they all have a confrontation
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with just the one person
who's the shooter?
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So you have to go
and talk to the victim's family
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to see whether or not
there is some kind of connection.
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'Cause that's what your main goal is
as a detective.
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You're trying to get
those pieces together like a puzzle.
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We're tryin' to gather
a lot of information,
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and my commander told me
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that he was gonna be
in charge of the investigation.
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The FBI was involved.
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ATF was involved.
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And so it was somewhat of a relief
that all this pressure
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was reduced
and was going to somebody else.
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Hi.
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Let's start on October 3rd,
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and we can pick some
of the earlier stuff up later.
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My brain doesn't go backwards.
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It's just forward.
It's all compartmentalized.
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My name is Michael Bouchard.
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I was the special agent in charge
of the Baltimore Field Division.
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Um, Bureau of Alcohol,
Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives.
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One of my duties as
the agent in charge of the field division
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was to deal with the media.
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When I first arrived,
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I'd say there were probably 50
to 60 media people,
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all stationed outside police headquarters.
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I certainly didn't look forward
to doing it,
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particularly under these type
of circumstances.
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But you're in the D.C. area.
It's the fishbowl.
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Whatever you do here,
people are always looking in.
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Agent, which agency has
operational command of this investigation?
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So, they were askin'
a lot of questions.
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None of this...
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...not dealt...
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We didn't have many witness statements,
and we didn't really know
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exactly what we were looking for.
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So there was not much
to release to the press.
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I can't respond to that question.
I'm sorry.
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Agent Bouchard...
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Thank you.
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The most significant evidence
that we had were the ballistics.
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The bullet that was taken
from each of the victims.
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These projectiles were taken
to the ATF Laboratory.
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A mile or two from police headquarters.
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And I was confident with Walter Dandridge,
who worked, uh, in our laboratory.
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He was
a top-notch forensics examiner.
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Probably one of the best in the country.
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I do remember Mike Bouchard.
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He's one of those bigwigs
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that we low-level government workers
don't come in contact with so often.
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He's just a humble guy.
Just does his job, grinds away.
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Solves a lot of good cases.
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This was an ongoing situation.
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The pressure was building,
and they wanted answers immediately.
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The first projectile
and fragments that I received,
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I determined that
it was fired from a rifle.
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It was a caliber .223,
Remington projectile.
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Each projectile fired
from a single firearm
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will leave the same individual marks.
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I was able to determine that
each one of the shootings the first day...
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were fired by the same firearm.
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This was a big break for us.
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Because once we knew
a rifle was being used
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in those Montgomery County shootings,
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we felt we were dealing with a sniper.
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Meaning someone shooting
from a long distance,
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and you can't see
where they're shooting from.
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That meant that the shots were being
taken from a good distance away.
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You know, probably more
than 50 to 100 feet, if not more.
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And so, the detectives
expanded the search area.
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We're looking for, uh, witnesses.
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At the Mobil station, uh,
there was, uh... a witness
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that had seen a white box truck
across the street.
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The witnesses at the Sarah Ramos shooting,
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they saw a white box truck
leave the area rapidly.
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Maybe the reason
why this gunshot is so loud
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is because it's reverberating
from the back of the white box truck.
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Maybe the person is lifting the gate,
takin' a shot, and then closing the gate.
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So that's why we don't have any, uh,
eyewitnesses who actually saw the suspect.
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00:18:06,502 --> 00:18:10,506
By the end of that first day,
we were all pretty much worn out.
240
00:18:11,882 --> 00:18:15,052
I know I personally thought,
"I just hope this is over."
241
00:18:15,552 --> 00:18:18,305
You know, "We can solve
what already occurred."
242
00:18:20,099 --> 00:18:23,435
It was in the evening.
We get a phone call.
243
00:18:23,519 --> 00:18:27,523
Another shooting took place
in Washington, D.C.
244
00:18:28,273 --> 00:18:31,276
Just over the Washington, D.C., line
with Montgomery County.
245
00:18:34,071 --> 00:18:36,824
He wasn't robbed. Nobody saw anybody.
246
00:18:38,117 --> 00:18:40,619
It was surreal.
247
00:18:40,702 --> 00:18:45,374
Uh, how could this still be happening,
um, and what is the connection?
248
00:18:46,083 --> 00:18:50,045
In little more than a day,
six bullets, six murders.
249
00:19:00,013 --> 00:19:05,686
The next day, the media had begun
to, uh, almost camp out.
250
00:19:07,604 --> 00:19:10,732
Not just out on the street,
in front of police headquarters.
251
00:19:10,816 --> 00:19:12,651
They were in our parking lot.
252
00:19:13,569 --> 00:19:17,489
They're approaching us
as we walk out our door.
253
00:19:20,576 --> 00:19:23,453
He will hold another press briefing here
at six o'clock tonight.
254
00:19:23,537 --> 00:19:25,038
Perhaps he'll have more information.
255
00:19:26,582 --> 00:19:29,918
You can't explain what happened.
We couldn't explain it.
256
00:19:30,419 --> 00:19:31,753
Not at that point.
257
00:19:33,589 --> 00:19:38,969
The media had this all over
television, radio, uh, the print media.
258
00:19:41,763 --> 00:19:46,101
And a decision is made
with the police chief
259
00:19:46,185 --> 00:19:50,814
to put out to the public that we were
seeking somebody in a white box truck.
260
00:19:51,690 --> 00:19:53,442
It's a Ford Econovan.
261
00:19:53,942 --> 00:19:56,778
We knew we couldn't solve this case
without the media.
262
00:19:57,279 --> 00:19:59,990
The public, they were our eyes and ears.
263
00:20:00,782 --> 00:20:02,075
Please take a look at these.
264
00:20:02,159 --> 00:20:04,519
And if you know anybody
that drives one of these vehicles...
265
00:20:04,578 --> 00:20:06,378
Keep this
in the back of your mind.
266
00:20:06,413 --> 00:20:08,790
If you saw something like this, call us.
267
00:20:08,874 --> 00:20:11,668
If you should see
something in the future, call us.
268
00:20:12,169 --> 00:20:15,839
White delivery trucks
are being stopped and examined...
269
00:20:15,923 --> 00:20:19,676
We started to receive
a lot of phone calls.
270
00:20:20,761 --> 00:20:23,639
They saw a white box truck
at this intersection.
271
00:20:23,722 --> 00:20:26,225
They saw a white box truck
at that intersection.
272
00:20:26,308 --> 00:20:29,019
These are all in shopping centers
and gas stations.
273
00:20:30,646 --> 00:20:35,859
But no information that connected
any driver with any of our shootings.
274
00:20:41,114 --> 00:20:42,991
911. What's your emergency?
275
00:20:43,075 --> 00:20:45,077
We've had a lady shot
in our parking lot.
276
00:20:45,160 --> 00:20:47,454
- Is she breathing?
- I do not know.
277
00:20:52,709 --> 00:20:54,389
The shooting
of Caroline Seawell
278
00:20:54,419 --> 00:20:56,171
in Spotsylvania County, Virginia,
279
00:20:56,672 --> 00:20:59,383
changed the scope
of this investigation significantly.
280
00:21:00,467 --> 00:21:03,220
Now we had
different jurisdictions involved.
281
00:21:06,223 --> 00:21:11,770
The speculation is that the shooter,
or shooters, are now going mobile.
282
00:21:12,854 --> 00:21:15,232
And are gonna target people
in different areas.
283
00:21:18,318 --> 00:21:19,820
What's the motive here?
284
00:21:22,322 --> 00:21:24,491
Because they appeared
to be random shootings,
285
00:21:24,574 --> 00:21:29,579
how do you stay one step ahead and try
and figure out where they might go next?
286
00:21:31,498 --> 00:21:33,667
Till we find out what the motive is, um,
287
00:21:33,750 --> 00:21:35,752
we're gonna have
a tough time solving this case.
288
00:21:42,551 --> 00:21:45,971
So, we decided to expand the task force.
289
00:21:54,688 --> 00:21:56,315
A little bit closer.
290
00:21:56,398 --> 00:21:57,691
Takin' my nose?
291
00:21:57,774 --> 00:22:00,110
April Carol interview.
Take two. Mark.
292
00:22:01,278 --> 00:22:03,739
I was home and my phone rang,
293
00:22:03,822 --> 00:22:06,074
and my supervisor said,
"Are you sitting down?"
294
00:22:06,158 --> 00:22:08,744
And I said, "Sure, what's up?"
295
00:22:08,827 --> 00:22:14,124
And she said, "I have to assign you
to the sniper case."
296
00:22:18,670 --> 00:22:21,673
My family and I
had just moved to Washington, D.C.
297
00:22:23,216 --> 00:22:26,094
This was the first and only time
I'd had a woman as a supervisor,
298
00:22:26,178 --> 00:22:29,765
who also was a mom, and she said to me,
"Are you sure you can do this?"
299
00:22:30,557 --> 00:22:33,935
"I know you have your kids
and you're just getting settled."
300
00:22:34,478 --> 00:22:38,482
And I said that I had just found a nanny
and that we would make it work.
301
00:22:42,486 --> 00:22:44,571
"Put me in, coach. I'm... I'm ready."
302
00:22:48,575 --> 00:22:52,329
I'm home, having breakfast
and coffee, getting ready to go to work.
303
00:22:52,412 --> 00:22:53,497
Breaking news.
304
00:22:53,580 --> 00:22:56,500
A 13-year-old boy
is in critical condition. Hundreds...
305
00:22:56,583 --> 00:23:00,587
It was just this overwhelming,
sickening feeling like, "Oh my God."
306
00:23:00,670 --> 00:23:02,070
...for a sharpshooter...
307
00:23:02,130 --> 00:23:06,093
A kid was now shot,
completely innocent, at school.
308
00:23:07,219 --> 00:23:09,471
It's stepping over the line,
shooting a kid.
309
00:23:11,473 --> 00:23:14,267
I guess it's getting to be
really, really personal now.
310
00:23:15,560 --> 00:23:17,200
It just really hit home for me,
311
00:23:17,229 --> 00:23:19,856
the fact that,
being the mother of three boys,
312
00:23:19,940 --> 00:23:22,359
and realizing schools really weren't safe.
313
00:23:23,985 --> 00:23:25,487
Could this happen to my kid?
314
00:23:29,616 --> 00:23:34,413
It solidified in my mind
that the shooter realized
315
00:23:34,496 --> 00:23:36,957
the type of fear that they were creating
throughout the area.
316
00:23:37,958 --> 00:23:39,584
That people were scared to death
317
00:23:39,668 --> 00:23:43,338
and that they wanted to take it
to a new level by shooting a child.
318
00:23:44,673 --> 00:23:47,175
And see what the reaction
of the public would be.
319
00:23:50,137 --> 00:23:51,847
After the Iran Brown shooting,
320
00:23:51,930 --> 00:23:56,935
the level of emotional commitment
and intensity was at an all-time high.
321
00:23:58,311 --> 00:24:01,022
You don't want to go off shift.
You don't want to take a break.
322
00:24:01,106 --> 00:24:04,484
This case is full-time,
24/7, until they're caught.
323
00:24:05,819 --> 00:24:07,979
If you have any information
about this case,
324
00:24:08,029 --> 00:24:10,824
you are urged to call the tip line.
The number is 240...
325
00:24:10,907 --> 00:24:17,330
So as soon as we put the number out there,
it just lit off a firestorm of calls.
326
00:24:20,584 --> 00:24:24,754
We had 100 phones
with 100 employees,
327
00:24:25,255 --> 00:24:26,756
from all the agencies,
328
00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:30,177
taking those tips and putting them
into the system for processing.
329
00:24:31,803 --> 00:24:33,805
My job was to go through the tips
330
00:24:33,889 --> 00:24:37,225
and decide, based on things
we've learned to date,
331
00:24:37,309 --> 00:24:39,644
which were priority leads.
332
00:24:39,728 --> 00:24:42,856
And that was a lot of pressure
because you didn't wanna miss anything.
333
00:24:45,859 --> 00:24:50,489
I didn't know what I was looking for.
And quite frankly, it's a lot of instinct.
334
00:25:01,416 --> 00:25:03,502
In a serial case,
it had been my experience
335
00:25:03,585 --> 00:25:07,130
that the subjects attend
the press conferences.
336
00:25:07,631 --> 00:25:09,271
They come back to the scene of the crime.
337
00:25:09,299 --> 00:25:11,551
They watch law enforcement
doing what they're doing.
338
00:25:13,637 --> 00:25:17,557
And so, we would play back the video
of that press conference,
339
00:25:18,350 --> 00:25:21,144
looking for anyone acting suspiciously.
340
00:25:25,273 --> 00:25:28,944
We were all very aware
that the killer could be among us.
341
00:25:37,118 --> 00:25:40,455
A person was seen in the video
after the press conference,
342
00:25:40,539 --> 00:25:41,915
walking up to the podium
343
00:25:41,998 --> 00:25:46,419
and just rifling through
the papers Chief Moose had left behind.
344
00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:49,172
And we thought that was super odd.
345
00:25:51,925 --> 00:25:54,469
He was the number one suspect
at that time.
346
00:25:54,553 --> 00:25:56,846
And so we needed to look for this man.
347
00:26:03,562 --> 00:26:08,233
I was driving to work the next day,
and I am at a light.
348
00:26:12,904 --> 00:26:17,951
And I look over now, and I see
a person that I feel like I know.
349
00:26:21,371 --> 00:26:24,082
And then the brain
was quickly processing that,
350
00:26:24,165 --> 00:26:25,709
and I remembered the photo.
351
00:26:31,923 --> 00:26:34,676
I'm looking at the photo,
and I'm looking at the car, and...
352
00:26:36,094 --> 00:26:37,304
It was definitely him.
353
00:26:38,847 --> 00:26:40,849
This could be the sniper,
right here next to me.
354
00:26:43,893 --> 00:26:45,061
I have to do something.
355
00:26:46,771 --> 00:26:48,273
Okay, what do I do now?
356
00:26:48,773 --> 00:26:50,333
I can't make a vehicle stop right here.
357
00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:52,652
There's way too many cars
and way too many people.
358
00:26:58,825 --> 00:27:02,287
And I followed him
into a business complex, and he parked.
359
00:27:06,833 --> 00:27:08,543
If I went in by myself,
360
00:27:08,627 --> 00:27:11,212
I could miss him
and then potentially lose the car as well.
361
00:27:11,713 --> 00:27:13,214
So I made a phone call
362
00:27:13,298 --> 00:27:16,760
and got my supervisor
from the task force, uh, rolling,
363
00:27:16,843 --> 00:27:17,969
along with some backup,
364
00:27:18,053 --> 00:27:21,181
and we were able
to take this man into custody.
365
00:27:23,058 --> 00:27:25,435
We could have him now.
This could be it.
366
00:27:26,895 --> 00:27:28,938
We could actually have caught the killer.
367
00:27:41,076 --> 00:27:43,036
One thing I remember
during the questioning
368
00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:44,704
was the look on his face
369
00:27:44,788 --> 00:27:49,292
when it became apparent to him
that he was a suspect in the shootings.
370
00:27:49,376 --> 00:27:53,755
"Wait, what? You think that was me?
You think this is me? No."
371
00:27:55,298 --> 00:27:58,885
What he said to us
was he was just infatuated with the case.
372
00:28:00,011 --> 00:28:03,431
I have seen
genuine innocent people's reaction
373
00:28:03,515 --> 00:28:05,266
versus guilty people's reactions,
374
00:28:05,350 --> 00:28:07,977
and, you know,
I kinda threw my hands up like,
375
00:28:08,061 --> 00:28:10,980
"Yeah, this... this knucklehead's
wrong place, wrong time."
376
00:28:12,065 --> 00:28:13,608
We did check alibis.
377
00:28:13,692 --> 00:28:15,068
We talked to his wife.
378
00:28:15,151 --> 00:28:17,028
There were a number of things that just,
379
00:28:17,112 --> 00:28:20,198
within minutes,
came together to rule him out.
380
00:28:21,658 --> 00:28:24,202
Damn, you know, if it just was him,
381
00:28:24,285 --> 00:28:27,872
we'd caught him and we can move forward
and people are safe again.
382
00:28:30,250 --> 00:28:33,461
The shooter whom police call
an elusive serial sniper
383
00:28:33,545 --> 00:28:35,797
is terrorizing this Washington region.
384
00:28:36,297 --> 00:28:38,466
Any time there was another shooting...
385
00:28:39,884 --> 00:28:43,680
our heart sunk that,
you know, a sense of failure
386
00:28:43,763 --> 00:28:45,974
that we haven't stopped these killers.
387
00:28:46,057 --> 00:28:49,144
We would have liked
to have solved this by now, but it's...
388
00:28:49,227 --> 00:28:51,354
People were just terrified.
389
00:28:51,438 --> 00:28:53,273
...that we're trying our best.
390
00:28:54,733 --> 00:28:56,609
School sports stopped.
391
00:28:58,278 --> 00:28:59,904
School recesses stopped.
392
00:29:01,030 --> 00:29:03,658
Ten people have been shot,
eight are dead,
393
00:29:03,742 --> 00:29:06,244
as a sniper terrorizes
the Washington area.
394
00:29:06,327 --> 00:29:09,122
The latest victim,
53-year-old Kenneth Bridges.
395
00:29:10,665 --> 00:29:14,169
We had no idea, uh,
where they were gonna be next.
396
00:29:15,211 --> 00:29:17,881
Like tryin' to hold
a pile of sand in your hand.
397
00:29:17,964 --> 00:29:19,632
It just keeps goin' out because you...
398
00:29:19,716 --> 00:29:22,469
you can't grasp it
and... and do something with it.
399
00:29:31,936 --> 00:29:34,898
I'm sitting at
the investigative table, looking at leads,
400
00:29:34,981 --> 00:29:39,611
and the agent that's sitting next to me
gets a call on his cell phone
401
00:29:39,694 --> 00:29:43,823
from another agent who's
at a Home Depot in Falls Church,
402
00:29:43,907 --> 00:29:46,284
in the store, and heard gunshots.
403
00:29:47,869 --> 00:29:51,748
My husband was off,
and with my three boys,
404
00:29:51,831 --> 00:29:54,459
and were gonna be going
to a Home Depot that day.
405
00:29:56,503 --> 00:30:00,799
The panic, personally,
when I heard "Home Depot in Virginia,"
406
00:30:00,882 --> 00:30:06,888
and I didn't know where they were
was swirling as I was driving there.
407
00:30:09,390 --> 00:30:12,519
Fortunately, they called
and said, "We're home, we're good."
408
00:30:12,602 --> 00:30:15,313
And I said, "That's all I needed to know.
I'll call you later."
409
00:30:17,190 --> 00:30:19,025
I'm arriving at the scene,
410
00:30:19,108 --> 00:30:22,487
and I'm walking through,
now, this massive parking lot
411
00:30:22,570 --> 00:30:24,823
towards our command site.
412
00:30:26,616 --> 00:30:28,618
And my personal phone rings.
413
00:30:29,786 --> 00:30:31,913
I saw that it was my dad in Los Angeles,
414
00:30:31,996 --> 00:30:35,750
and I said, you know,
"Hey, Dad. I'm fine. Everything's good."
415
00:30:35,834 --> 00:30:37,274
"But I can't really talk right now."
416
00:30:37,335 --> 00:30:38,815
And he goes, "I know you can't talk."
417
00:30:38,878 --> 00:30:41,631
"I'm watching you walk
across a parking lot at a crime scene."
418
00:30:41,714 --> 00:30:43,466
Another woman was dead.
419
00:30:43,550 --> 00:30:45,635
Almost certainly, police said,
at the hands...
420
00:30:45,718 --> 00:30:49,138
He was panicked
that if he could see me on the news,
421
00:30:49,222 --> 00:30:52,767
that the suspects could see me too
and that I could be shot.
422
00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:55,520
And it sent my head spinning.
423
00:30:56,980 --> 00:31:00,859
I remember putting the phone back
in my pocket, thinking he was right,
424
00:31:00,942 --> 00:31:03,945
and we were just
out in the open for a shot.
425
00:31:07,866 --> 00:31:10,451
I could never shut it off,
try as I might.
426
00:31:14,581 --> 00:31:18,751
I had no idea,
when I was assigned to this case,
427
00:31:19,627 --> 00:31:26,467
the level of intensity,
and anxiety and stress
428
00:31:26,551 --> 00:31:27,802
that would accompany it.
429
00:31:37,145 --> 00:31:38,385
It's Saturday night.
430
00:31:38,855 --> 00:31:41,357
My wife and I had dinner
for the first time together
431
00:31:41,858 --> 00:31:43,318
probably in about a week and a half.
432
00:31:45,570 --> 00:31:48,698
We just caught up on things
that were goin' on with our children.
433
00:31:50,575 --> 00:31:52,911
And I got interrupted
with a phone call
434
00:31:53,536 --> 00:31:56,998
that another shooting
had taken place in Ashland, Virginia.
435
00:31:57,916 --> 00:32:01,419
And they had some forensic evidence
that might help us solve the case.
436
00:32:05,298 --> 00:32:08,676
I told my wife, you know,
I was gonna have to go to work.
437
00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:10,428
She took it like a trooper.
438
00:32:10,511 --> 00:32:12,805
I won't say what she really said, but...
439
00:32:15,767 --> 00:32:18,436
Anyone who's married knows.
440
00:32:27,028 --> 00:32:30,990
Jeffrey Hopper.
He had some significant injuries.
441
00:32:31,532 --> 00:32:32,909
But fortunately survived.
442
00:32:33,993 --> 00:32:38,164
He and his wife were traveling down I-95,
stopped for dinner,
443
00:32:38,998 --> 00:32:41,542
when his wife heard a shot ring out.
444
00:32:43,586 --> 00:32:46,255
She thought
it came from a wooded area.
445
00:32:46,923 --> 00:32:53,012
Crime scene technicians found a note
tacked to a tree in a plastic Ziploc bag.
446
00:33:01,479 --> 00:33:02,563
Yeah, I can read it.
447
00:33:06,275 --> 00:33:11,906
"For you, Mr. Police.
Call me God. Do not release to the press."
448
00:33:12,532 --> 00:33:16,828
"If stopping the killing is more
important than catching us now,
449
00:33:16,911 --> 00:33:20,331
then you'll accept our demands,
which are nonnegotiable."
450
00:33:21,124 --> 00:33:23,292
The demand was
that we place ten million dollars
451
00:33:23,376 --> 00:33:24,919
in a Bank of America account
452
00:33:25,837 --> 00:33:27,338
with an ATM card.
453
00:33:28,715 --> 00:33:31,843
"We have tried to contact you
to start negotiations,
454
00:33:31,926 --> 00:33:33,678
without any response."
455
00:33:35,221 --> 00:33:37,098
This was a big break in the case.
456
00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:40,101
Let's look back
to when they might have called,
457
00:33:40,184 --> 00:33:42,645
see if we can find out
anything additional.
458
00:33:46,566 --> 00:33:48,192
He had contacted Officer Derick...
459
00:33:50,445 --> 00:33:52,238
who worked in our media section,
460
00:33:52,739 --> 00:33:54,240
and told Officer Derick
461
00:33:54,323 --> 00:34:00,371
they were involved in a shooting
and robbery and murder
462
00:34:01,289 --> 00:34:03,082
that occurred in Alabama.
463
00:34:06,419 --> 00:34:11,382
Initially, the investigators thought
it didn't seem like it was connected.
464
00:34:14,635 --> 00:34:16,596
The shooting happened many miles away,
465
00:34:16,679 --> 00:34:20,892
about a month before, uh,
everything started in Montgomery County.
466
00:34:24,062 --> 00:34:28,941
But you could just take a lead like that
and give it to an FBI agent in Alabama,
467
00:34:29,025 --> 00:34:31,069
and they could look up the information.
468
00:34:35,114 --> 00:34:37,909
So, two people
were leaving a business,
469
00:34:38,409 --> 00:34:42,830
and a person went up to them
and shot them,
470
00:34:42,914 --> 00:34:47,877
stole the proceeds from that business,
and took off running.
471
00:34:49,170 --> 00:34:53,174
But the suspect was carrying
a Shooters magazine.
472
00:34:54,592 --> 00:34:57,386
While he was running,
he dropped that magazine.
473
00:34:58,262 --> 00:35:02,391
We talked to the detective about
evidence obtained from that crime scene,
474
00:35:02,475 --> 00:35:05,812
and he said, "We received fingerprints
from the catalog."
475
00:35:07,271 --> 00:35:10,108
They ran it through
the Alabama state identification system
476
00:35:10,191 --> 00:35:11,359
and did not get a hit.
477
00:35:13,069 --> 00:35:19,909
And so, we reran that fingerprint through
the national database, and it got a hit.
478
00:35:27,750 --> 00:35:32,296
The fingerprints came back
to a 17-year-old named Lee Boyd Malvo.
479
00:35:35,758 --> 00:35:40,012
This is an aha moment. This is an OMG.
You know, "We've got something here."
480
00:35:43,724 --> 00:35:46,519
He appeared to be an immigrant
from the West Indies,
481
00:35:46,602 --> 00:35:48,855
and he had been detained,
482
00:35:49,355 --> 00:35:52,567
coming across the border
from Canada into the States,
483
00:35:52,650 --> 00:35:54,819
and was fingerprinted at the time.
484
00:35:57,864 --> 00:36:02,243
They asked Malvo who he was with,
and he said he was with an older man.
485
00:36:03,369 --> 00:36:10,042
That person had legitimate paperwork,
and that his name was John Allen Muhammad.
486
00:36:12,753 --> 00:36:15,173
I was involved with running the files
487
00:36:15,256 --> 00:36:17,842
on everything that
we could possibly know about Muhammad.
488
00:36:22,305 --> 00:36:25,975
He served in the army
under the name John Allen Williams.
489
00:36:27,393 --> 00:36:32,815
He was under a restraining order
that had been filed by his ex-wife
490
00:36:32,899 --> 00:36:35,359
to prevent him from seeing their children
491
00:36:35,443 --> 00:36:39,030
because he had kidnapped them
for a significant period of time.
492
00:36:41,741 --> 00:36:45,203
I absolutely felt, from that moment,
493
00:36:45,286 --> 00:36:48,122
that we were onto the right guys
and we were gonna get 'em.
494
00:36:54,170 --> 00:36:59,050
That was one of the highest points
that people had over those three weeks,
495
00:36:59,550 --> 00:37:02,511
that, you know,
we think we're on to solvin' this thing.
496
00:37:06,390 --> 00:37:09,060
We were running records
in Virginia and D.C.
497
00:37:09,143 --> 00:37:12,855
Any national databases that we could
about Muhammad.
498
00:37:15,191 --> 00:37:17,318
And the one we keyed on the most
499
00:37:17,401 --> 00:37:21,530
was a vehicle that was registered
to John Allen Muhammad.
500
00:37:23,783 --> 00:37:27,328
It was a blue Chevy Caprice,
purchased in New Jersey.
501
00:37:29,789 --> 00:37:33,209
We had a license plate.
We had a name. Two names.
502
00:37:33,292 --> 00:37:35,753
The biggest thing in all of our minds is,
503
00:37:35,836 --> 00:37:38,923
"What are we gonna do with all this
when we don't know where they are yet?"
504
00:37:39,006 --> 00:37:41,968
And, "Please let us get them
before the next killing."
505
00:37:46,472 --> 00:37:48,975
Some bus driver's been shot
at Oxen Hill.
506
00:37:49,058 --> 00:37:53,104
Oh, I'm scared. Please send some help.
Please. I'm on the bus.
507
00:37:53,604 --> 00:37:57,024
You're so close...
but then you're not.
508
00:37:58,234 --> 00:37:59,652
We have another victim.
509
00:38:02,196 --> 00:38:06,033
I think we probably felt
the most pressure after that shooting.
510
00:38:06,909 --> 00:38:09,537
You know, "Move fast.
Move fast. Get through this."
511
00:38:09,620 --> 00:38:12,832
"Let's take the pieces that are important
and get 'em done so we can find 'em."
512
00:38:18,087 --> 00:38:20,089
A federal arrest warrant
has been...
513
00:38:20,172 --> 00:38:22,383
I was working the night shift,
514
00:38:22,466 --> 00:38:26,762
and it was
on the TV that was, uh, in our office.
515
00:38:26,846 --> 00:38:29,056
We've also learned the vehicle
that they're looking for
516
00:38:29,140 --> 00:38:32,727
is a burgundy or blue Chevy sedan.
517
00:38:33,477 --> 00:38:38,566
I was surprised to hear
that we were looking for a blue Caprice.
518
00:38:38,649 --> 00:38:41,819
'Cause we had so many leads
about white box trucks.
519
00:38:43,446 --> 00:38:46,449
I'm getting ready to leave
the task force office,
520
00:38:46,532 --> 00:38:50,870
and a supervisor from the tactical unit...
521
00:38:52,747 --> 00:38:55,333
he stops me and says, "Don't leave."
522
00:38:55,416 --> 00:38:58,044
"I think they found the car."
523
00:39:00,588 --> 00:39:02,840
He's communicating with state police.
524
00:39:04,300 --> 00:39:05,885
The car that we're looking for
525
00:39:05,968 --> 00:39:09,221
has been spotted
in Washington County at a rest stop.
526
00:39:11,807 --> 00:39:13,434
They believe it's occupied.
527
00:39:13,517 --> 00:39:16,896
They can't tell it's occupied
because it has dark windows.
528
00:39:18,814 --> 00:39:22,485
So I left the task force office. Quickly.
529
00:39:25,196 --> 00:39:27,198
We don't want the media
to follow us up there,
530
00:39:27,281 --> 00:39:29,533
so I don't have my red light siren on.
531
00:39:32,161 --> 00:39:36,499
We were all gonna meet the state police
right near the rest stop.
532
00:39:38,501 --> 00:39:43,255
I was hopin' and prayin' that, uh, we had
the right car and we had the right people.
533
00:39:45,299 --> 00:39:47,802
And we were gonna find evidence in the car
534
00:39:47,885 --> 00:39:50,763
that was gonna link them
to the shootings that we had.
535
00:39:53,432 --> 00:39:56,477
We finally get to the, uh, staging area.
536
00:39:58,187 --> 00:40:01,482
I talk with the captain
who's in charge of the state police there.
537
00:40:03,401 --> 00:40:06,862
He tells us the SWAT team
has already arrived.
538
00:40:08,072 --> 00:40:11,033
To go in the wooded area
to approach the car,
539
00:40:11,117 --> 00:40:12,660
and we're just to... to wait.
540
00:40:17,540 --> 00:40:23,671
We're just anxiously awaiting
confirmation that we had them.
541
00:40:25,214 --> 00:40:28,426
And hopefully, nobody gets injured
during the... the takedown.
542
00:40:31,720 --> 00:40:33,264
Eighteen seconds.
543
00:40:35,724 --> 00:40:37,564
A lot of things
go through your mind.
544
00:40:40,312 --> 00:40:43,149
You have a lot of adrenaline going.
545
00:40:45,401 --> 00:40:47,653
And then I get... a call.
546
00:40:50,823 --> 00:40:54,493
The tactical team
busted out the two windows
547
00:40:54,577 --> 00:40:56,162
on either side of the car.
548
00:40:57,455 --> 00:40:59,290
Pulled both of them out.
549
00:41:02,835 --> 00:41:06,255
I see the two suspects,
Muhammad and Malvo,
550
00:41:07,590 --> 00:41:10,551
and they purposefully put them
in separate locations
551
00:41:10,634 --> 00:41:11,760
on both sides of the car.
552
00:41:11,844 --> 00:41:14,180
So they couldn't talk
or communicate with each other.
553
00:41:16,807 --> 00:41:18,309
Broken glass everywhere.
554
00:41:23,314 --> 00:41:24,773
An initial search was made.
555
00:41:27,067 --> 00:41:29,403
And there was a hole in the trunk.
556
00:41:30,654 --> 00:41:34,742
And you could crawl into the back
and take the shot.
557
00:41:37,703 --> 00:41:39,997
And as soon as the back seat is pulled up,
558
00:41:40,956 --> 00:41:42,583
you can see the rifle there.
559
00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:47,379
It was like, "It's over."
560
00:41:50,758 --> 00:41:51,592
So...
561
00:42:09,401 --> 00:42:11,237
Tell us what you think
of Chief Moose.
562
00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:12,196
We love him!
563
00:42:13,989 --> 00:42:16,408
We walked out the door,
and there's all,
564
00:42:16,492 --> 00:42:19,912
you know, people cheering,
uh, kids with signs.
565
00:42:22,665 --> 00:42:25,209
You know,
we're all, like, taken aback.
566
00:42:25,292 --> 00:42:27,545
Trying to be focused.
"Here's what we're gonna say."
567
00:42:28,128 --> 00:42:30,422
Thank you, Chief.
Sorry to keep everyone waiting tonight.
568
00:42:30,506 --> 00:42:33,634
That was the one day that the media
didn't have a lot of questions.
569
00:42:33,717 --> 00:42:36,387
Um, they were just happy to hear
what we had to say.
570
00:42:36,887 --> 00:42:41,141
October 3rd, Prem Kumar Walekar
in Montgomery County.
571
00:42:41,642 --> 00:42:45,396
October 3rd, Sarah Ramos
in Montgomery County.
572
00:42:45,479 --> 00:42:50,734
And he started naming all the victims,
and I had tears flowing.
573
00:42:50,818 --> 00:42:55,197
And it was just that relief, um,
the exhaustion finally coming through.
574
00:42:55,781 --> 00:43:00,077
And our thoughts and prayers go out to all
the victims of these shootings. Thank you.
575
00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:04,415
My kids were watching the press conference
and looking from the TV to me,
576
00:43:04,915 --> 00:43:06,458
and looking to the TV, to me.
577
00:43:06,542 --> 00:43:09,461
And they're like,
"Wait, Mom. They... you caught him."
578
00:43:10,004 --> 00:43:11,004
"Why are you crying?"
579
00:43:11,046 --> 00:43:14,049
And they're like,
"Wait. We can have recess now."
580
00:43:14,133 --> 00:43:16,885
And they're jumpin' up and down,
high-fivin' each other.
581
00:43:16,969 --> 00:43:19,305
And they stopped and looked at me
and said, "Right, Mom?"
582
00:43:19,388 --> 00:43:22,016
And I said,
"Yeah, you can have recess now."
583
00:43:22,099 --> 00:43:25,102
It was the joy
coupled with all of the emotion.