All language subtitles for [Views4You - English (auto-generated)] “The Towers Went Poof” - Dr. Judy Wood_ 9_11, Twin Towers Collapse & Direct Energy Evidence _ PBD

The book is titled Where Did the Towers

Go? And it's very thorough, very

detailed. What do you think happened to

the towers?

>> Ladies and gentlemen,

>> this didn't look like a collapse. This

doesn't make sense. Am I insane or is

the rest of the world insane?

>> So, what are you claiming?

>> Energy was manipulated differently than

what we've seen before.

>> So, energy was essentially directed and

used as a weapon. What they were doing

is bringing in fresh dirt, putting it on

the ground, stirring it around, taking

it back out, bringing in more dirt. Oh,

>> so you thinking they brought the dirt

and the dirt wasn't there?

>> I've got pictures of the the dirt trucks

bringing dirt in.

>> Maybe they're comfortable with this

theory and

>> it's not a theory. I just talk about

evidence.

>> What would be someone's motive to do

what they did to 911?

>> 911 was an attack on human

consciousness. Since 9/11, people have

not been thinking so clearly or so

deeply. They hear something. Oh, okay.

People don't know what they're looking

at. This Bible is there.

>> This Bible on the rock.

>> Yeah. Yeah.

>> The Bible didn't burn,

>> right? And it has formerly liquid metal

fused to the page.

>> So, you're wondering how he put it up

there?

>> Oh, I'm not wondering.

>> You know how he did it?

>> Yeah.

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>> 30 seconds. Did you ever think you were

supposed

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>> The future looks bright.

>> My handshake is better than anything I

ever sign. It's right here.

You are one of one. My son's right

there. I think I said this before.

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>> So I think if you're like me, there's

one event that we all remember we were

at the last 30 years and that's 9/11. I

remember where I was at and I was

working at Morgan Stanley Dean Witter.

Uh I'm on the 8th floor Morgan Stanley

Dean Witter Glendale and then all of a

sudden news comes out. Oh my god, what's

happening 911? First plane hit, second

one we see hit live and then the rest of

it chaos go home. It's insanity. Fast

forward, we had 911. We celebrated the

anniversary of it 4 days ago. Okay,

which is now 24 years. It feels like it

was yesterday, right? And as you go

through this, it never gets old for me

to want to keep learning more and more

about what happened there. Most

important thing is we got 2753

victims who are no longer with us of

which 1653 have been identified. The

other 1100 40% till today Dr. Judy Wood

have not been identified. Right? So if

that's my son, if it's that's my family

friend, anybody that's emotionally

connected to me, I want to find out what

happened to him. So now fast forward

today, today we have you on Dr. Judy

Wood, your background when I look at

your background. Okay. Uh you got a BS

in civil engineering 1981 structural

engineering

uh masters in engineering mechanics

applied physics then you got a PhD from

Virginia Tech professor mechanical

engineer and you've done a bunch of

different things you know your research

all these other things that you done

forensic study over 40,000 images on 911

what happened to it and you have your

own opinion on what happened there I've

had Richard Gage on in the past before

we've had certain guests on in the past

that we got a strike for on YouTube 911

world treads under the towers. What

happened to it? We got to strike for it.

But with that being said, it's great to

have you on the podcast today.

>> Well, thanks. I'm glad to be here.

>> Yes. And I think the audience who is

also curious with this topic, our

audience is generally very curious. Uh

they want to know what you think about

it. So, let me kind of walk through some

of the options and you tell me what you

think happened to World Trade Center.

Maybe give a little bit about your

background if you don't mind.

>> I would like to start out by saying when

something like this happens, something

this big, there are always three

narratives that come out. Please.

>> The first one is the official story.

>> Yep.

>> Second one is the official conspiracy

theory. Okay.

>> Or a few alternatives.

>> Third thing is the truth. And the best

way to cover it up is to keep people

arguing between the first two. Round and

round and round. So they forget to look

at the evidence.

>> How you think we're at three yet or

we're not there yet?

>> Uh I've only looked at evidence.

>> You've looked at evidence.

>> That's all I look at is evidence. So

then let me do this because for for all

of us that are still trying to find out

what happened to this, you know, this is

just an event that happened all of a

sudden. Boom. Let's move on. Don't worry

about it. Don't look over there. Right?

We've all seen the documentaries, the

movies, all of it. So some say planes

brought him down. Okay. Some claims of

what people say. Number two is control

demolition thermite. You've heard about

this Richard G explosive.

>> Three is missile military planes. Four

is directed energy weapon, which is one

of your claims.

>> No. And I want to hear I want to hear I

want to hear what you have to say. Then

another one smaller one mini nuke

hypothesis inside insurance job and

structural weaknesses. What do you think

happened to the towers?

>> Well, if you would uh

you know I keep people arguing around

round about theories and if somebody

doesn't have a theory, somebody assigns

them one and um if you want to bring out

the truth and somebody doesn't want to

come out, what's the best way to cover

up irrefutable evidence? Okay,

>> you call it a theory and then you mutate

it some and then uh oh, she talks about

um space beams or uh talks about

hurricane powering the space beams. They

have various things that get propagated

around the internet. Pretty soon people

don't read my book and they don't even

know what's in it, but they go that

route. What what my book really is

designed to do is to train people or

>> I show the book so the audience don't.

The book is titled where did the towers

go? Okay. And it's very thorough, very

detailed. So, you know,

>> it's empirical evidence,

>> right? Empirical evidence. So, maybe

walk through, you know, what you think

happened there. Just assume no one's

heard you lecture on this before. Walk

me through what you believe happened

there.

>> But it is important to uh realize that

people tend to jump on whatever they

hear first. They don't know the

difference between evidence and and

conspiracy theory. they don't know what

how to sort through it. And what I'd

often when I would you know be teaching

experimental work is to stress to the

students collect all the all the data

you can. You don't have to use it all

but you can't use data you don't have.

So okay let's let's look at everything

and maybe it means something maybe it

doesn't. Just because I have collected

doesn't mean it's connected to this that

and the other and look at phenomenons

that you understand and ones you don't.

Another way of blinding yourself, sort

of a double blind study, just to look at

reality rather than immediately jumping

to a conclusion.

>> If you saw a hazy environment above the

ground, a lot of people call it smoke.

Well, then you're already assuming fire

is the cause,

>> but that's biasing your observation. So,

let's bring up a new vocabulary. I call

it fumes. Could be chemical fumes, could

be uh particulate, you who knows it.

It's not defined just like

dustification.

Um

let's see. A lot of people say it's it's

evaporation. Well, evaporation applies

high heat. We don't have proof of that.

Uh crushing or or uh pulverization.

That's that's a mechanical force.

They're making assumptions with those

words. So if we start out with a new

vocabulary, we can observe the physical

phenomena going on.

>> Okay? and and that really helps to see

what is there. Uh, one one short story

I'd like to uh put out is early on I had

an artist write to me so delighted that

somebody was talking about what happened

and he explained why he could see it. He

said in art class the teacher taught him

this discipline of seeing what's there

by having like a a wooden shelf where

you couldn't see your hands and drawing

under that wooden shelf. Draw what's

over there but you can't see your hands.

So you have to look at the image and

what distance do I pick up the pencil

and put it back down. So you see the

relationship of everything in the

picture instead of just assuming what

and I thought that was brilliant. It's

it's a neat discipline. So uh to be able

to do that with making observations

that's why I come up with this

vocabulary

like um Cheetos uh tortilla chips. you

aren't going to confuse the debris with

food and but it it you know

>> can we do this because I want I want to

make I want to organize you is what I

want to do because when you're you're a

genius like you your brain is all over

the place my job is to try to deliver

your message to a sixth grader

>> where they walk away and you're you're

speaking right now so far as if you're

speaking to your own audience.

>> So don't worry about the a don't even

look at your notes. I want to get the

information from you. Don't look at your

notes. I want you to be with me. You're

speaking to a regular audience that's

not out of your community. Yeah. These

are regular people like me. They don't

have the degrees. They haven't gone and

done the uh uh applying your expertise

in material science image analysis in

infer infometry to a forensic study of

over 40,000 images, hundreds of video

clips, a large volume of witness

testimony, analysis of dust samples, uh

seismic data, and the analysis of other

environmental evidence painting to the

destruction of the world trade center

and the complex. People haven't done

that. the average person hasn't gone and

filed a suit uh against the NIST

contractors right where alleging

scientific fraud in the world trades and

investigation later on the case was

dismissed but the second circuit

affirmed and the US Supreme Court docket

shows your petition which is the number

09/548

the average person hasn't gone that far

to find the truth what I want you to do

is maybe walk us through simply

>> 911 world trade center happens okay a

person like yourself where your

background is in what you do. What was

your initial reaction, when did you

become curious to want to investigate

your own thing and what were some of the

things that happened afterwards?

>> Okay. Thanks. The the thing that I'm

trying to emphasize is most people when

they see something Yeah.

>> they may not see what's really there.

>> How do you get yourself to to see what

is

>> Can you stay with me and and just stay

with me just to me?

>> Yeah. That's what this is

what's in the picture. I get that. What

I'm saying to you is you're speaking to

a regular audience. Dr. Judy, I want you

to think

I just asked you. 9/11 happened 2001.

The world says, "Oh my god, weapons of

mass destruction were attacked. George

Bush, we're going. I'm going to join the

military." Right.

>> Okay.

>> What was the first reaction you had when

you saw World Trade Center happened?

>> What was your first reaction from your

lens? How you view it?

>> This doesn't make sense. I was in the

the faculty conference room. They're

showing this video on the TV set.

>> Yep.

>> I looked at it and went, you know, they

they called it a collapse and I'm

thinking, what does a collapse look

like?

>> It was kind of kind of like a avalanche.

You know, this part gets going and it

gets this part going more and more and

more and pretty soon the whole thing's

going. It doesn't go one, two, three,

poof.

This didn't look like a collapse. It's

it's squirting up and out. It looks more

like a drinking fountain, you know,

bubbler. And I looked around the the

faculty conference room and uh kind of

like you guys aren't buying this. They

look like what kind of a wacko did we

hire? That was a very weird feeling. Am

I insane or is the rest of the world

insane?

>> So this is what you're tell this is what

all of us saw.

>> Yep. That and you can follow some of

those pieces coming down and they

dissolve before they hit the ground.

The traffic lights you can still see.

>> Can you go from the beginning, Rob? The

first 10 seconds.

So this is where a Richard Gage and many

from his community will say this was an

explosion thermite, right? instead of

maybe other claims. You're seeing this.

You say, "I don't believe what they're

saying." What next necessary steps do

you take to get to your conclusion?

>> It It's not a collapse. A collapse is a

kinetic energy driving it. You know, you

have something slamming to the ground.

All right, let's go look at the seismic

signal. If If all that building got cut

up by bombs or gravity collapsed, it's

going to be whacking to the ground.

There is no discernable S or P wave in

the seismic signal. Only a surface wave,

which is what you get like when you get

off your mattress in the morning. It

recovers. Your weight comes back up.

There's no impact like hitting a tuning

fork or you know snap a rubber band.

That that's a what the Pwave should be.

And it's the first signal to arrive at

the seismic station followed by the

S-wave. And the delay of those two is

how they calculate the distance from the

epicenter.

I think people have heard that a lot.

But there was no S-wave or Pwave. The

signal did not travel through the earth.

There was only a surface wave. And the

surface wave was was not appropriate

size. It was very small magnitude. Uh

comparing to like to the King Dome and

some other things. Kingd dome is is uh

like 130th. That's 3030th

but made equal or more of a seismic

signal or of the equivalent on the

richter scale they calculate by the

surface wave. So using the surface wave

of the towers compared to the surface

wave of the kingdom it was the same the

the towers were the same or less.

>> So what does that mean to you?

>> Uh something isn't right here. if the

and then you later realize if King Kong

picked up the towers, chucked them into

outer space, it would do the same thing

with a surface wave because the weight

was coming off the ground and the and

the surface was bouncing back up like

you get off your mattress in the

morning.

So, uh, with with if you had bombs in

the building or gravity collapse,

whatever, that stuff's going to this

stuff's going to hit the pavement.

Well, let's go look at what's out there.

What? No debris. There's uh vehicles

parked at street level that are there

after the towers go poof. See, I don't

use the word collapse. That's that's got

message to it. I say go poof. It went

away. The towers went it went poof. Um

couple hours later, uh there's a picture

I have of uh an ambulance parked in

front of tower one. It's right at street

level.

Yeah, there's some stuff here and there,

but

nothing what you expect. And some people

say, well, um, you know, exploded

outward and got shot out. Well, then the

adjacent buildings kind should look kind

of machine gun fired.

>> They don't.

>> You talking about the you talking about

the um which building is that? You're

talking about the uh banker trust

building.

>> Oh, all of them around.

>> Oh, okay.

>> Yeah. If you got these towers and squash

them down like you're stepping on a soda

pop can to collapse it. There's there's

stuff inside that would have would or if

you have explosions inside they're

launching stuff outward because if it's

not there when the towers are gone where

to go

to dust. Almost all the building turned

to dust.

>> And that's the phrase you use is

dustification.

>> Yep. We need a word for that.

>> Okay. So, what causes the event of

dustification to happen? Well, you you

know, you look at lots of different

pieces of evidence, but you start

realizing that um the the pieces broke

down more and more. There's a picture of

a of a guy coming home. It's between the

the south tower was the first to go

poof. Then the north tower went poof.

Halfway between those two at 10:15, you

can see the clock behind the guy. Guy's

walking down the street, dust all over

the place, perfectly clear from his

knees up, but from his knees down is

this haze.

That's how could that fine of dust

settle out of the air in that amount of

time? And I realized and it's consistent

with other images that coarse dust

landed and then turned into fine dust.

>> Okay?

>> And then you know stayed uh you know a

loft for for a long period of time. So

there's some kind of mechanisms that's

causing the material to come apart more

and more and more down the atom down to

the atomic level. What causes that to

happen?

>> Well, let's first look at just the

evidence. It's hard to jump from there

to the conclusion. And you start looking

at more and more things. And um what I

have in here is evidence, direct

evidence and parallel evidence. Parallel

evidence is like a tornado. Let's look

at what tornadoes do. Um

the my favorite picture is is uh this

one or video is this tornado in Texas

about 10 years ago. The roof has gone

off his house, but the the top floor,

the computer paper is neatly stacked up,

untouched big screen television. How

does that happen? It wasn't wind that

did that.

And and um other parts you've seen

tornadoes that just something totally is

destroyed. There's some kind of a

mechanism that a field effect that

causes this. You can't tell me when did

that.

>> Okay. So, let's do this. When did you

write this book? 15 years ago, right?

2010, I want to say.

>> Well, before that, actually, that

contains the evidence that was submitted

in the federal key case. But I put it in

a more organized fashion.

>> Okay. But when was this published? Is it

2010?

>> Yeah.

>> Okay. So, that's 15 years ago, right?

>> Mhm.

>> And when did you start researching what

happened to 911? When did you fully take

a deep dive saying, "I want to find out

what happened to you?" um the deep dive.

Well, I thought at first that the

grown-ups were going to take care of it.

I was naive. And um then there's also

the involvement of the 2000 election.

They said they were going to fix it next

time. They couldn't fix this one. And in

the 2004 election, it was even worse. I

went, "Well, the grown-ups didn't fix

that. They're not going to fix this 911

problem. Somebody's got to do it."

>> So, when'd you start? Four. 04.

>> Yeah. Yep.

>> Okay. So, let's say 2004.

2000. If I was to get obsessed and my

background, if I am a, you know,

bachelor's in civil engineering, a

masters in engineering mechanics,

applied physics, PhD in material

engineering science, this is your world,

right? And that's in 1992 when you got

your PhD, which is nine years before

911. So it's peak of the peak of the

peak, right? Things that you've done

>> and all of a sudden 911 happens till 04,

nothing takes place. Election, you know,

Al Gore, Bush, all right, they're not

going to touch this either. Let me go

investigate this. You do six years, you

write this book, then you put this in

the world. And I'm assuming probably

hundreds of thousands of copies have

been sold. People have read this all

over the world, right? When you write a

book like this, you're going to get

feedback from others who are going to

question you. That's not true. This is

this people from the FBI are going to

reach you. Insider is going to reach

you. Other engineers are going to reach

out to you. People that were internally

who lost a family or relative. I'm

assuming you've gotten thousands and

thousands of emails over the years,

right, of people that want to reach out

to you. Then this becomes a question.

From 2010 that you wrote it till today,

okay, these are your claims. Where did

the towers go? Poof. Justification.

Have you made any progress on what you

believe actually caused the 911 events,

the World Trade Center towers going

down? Have you come to a conclusion?

Well, it was energy was was uh

instructed to do something differently

than we've normally seen before and and

and um

>> so energy was essentially directed and

used as a weapon.

>> Well, I I won't get into exactly the

motives behind it, but but uh energy was

manipulated differently than what we've

seen before. Like nobody's really taking

apart a tornado and seen exactly what

that does. Let's say somebody weaponized

a tornado, okay?

uh there's just you know looking at the

mechanism rather than you know the

device I don't get into uh the serial

number of the parts that went into it or

what the operator had for breakfast or

details like that but physically what

happened there's there's another

technology out there that people aren't

familiar with and why the subtitle of my

book is what it is is u uh let's

consider uh Hiroshima

August 6 1945

>> the evidence of what happened that day

was evidence of a technology that could

be used for nuclear power plants. So

let's look at the silver lining in the

cloud and let's use it for good.

>> Make you know nuclear power plants. That

is not to say nuclear power plants

destroyed Hiroshima.

What happened on 911 is evidence of a

technology that could be used for free

energy. That what what this thing was

capable of is is amazing to truly

amazing. Imagine turning this uh 500,000

ton building to dust in midair. Most of

it to dust in midair, having it all come

apart, all the the uh molecular bonds

and atomic bonds coming apart. That's

pretty impressive. Like, okay, what if

somebody goes oops and and does it the

wrong way? There goes the planet.

And actually, as it was, there was

evidence that this process continued.

And Banker's Trust is an example. They

repaired it, but it was infected and

kept going this process. So, they end up

taking it apart four years later.

>> So, I know you're not comfortable using

the weapon using the phrase directed

energy weapon, but let's just use

directed energy. Let's set aside the

word weapon to use directed energy.

Say I'm somebody that has unlimited

resources. I have money and I wanted to

be able to use directed energy to make

something justified. Let's just use that

as a word. How much money would I need

to have to be able to use a technology

to do so?

>> Well, go visit John Hutcherson. He can

show you. John Hutcherson did it as, you

know, just a fun thing to do.

>> That's right.

>> And

>> and I'm aware of that.

>> Yeah. Actually, when I was looking at

all the the uh evidence of all these

these different

quirks, you know, that were going on, I

happened upon this person's uh Facebook

and I saw these pictures went, "Oh my

gosh, that's that's the same um type of

thing to that that happened on 911." So

then I got into it more and went and you

know visited him.

>> And how he does it is create a static

field. uh he used to use a a Tesla coil

but then um or vandagramraphph generator

now I think he use a Tesla coil or the

other way around and then interfere

radio frequency signals and it's a

square wave or sinosoidal wave the wave

shape is important and interfering those

in a particular place weird things

happen now he isn't real u I guess

meticulous it's like let's have fun

let's turn this thing on and but weird

things happen you get levitation or you

get disruption

Uh, in other words, the uh material

would would levitate or it would come

apart. And you see on 911 upside down

cars, they aren't toasted. Upright ones

are toasted.

It It's like,

>> what do you mean upside down cars?

>> Cars parked with the wheels in the air.

Those cars that are parked, you know,

they're on the roof with the wheels in

the air. You don't think that can happen

by things dropping and hitting it and

causing it to flip and ends up being on

the back.

>> A block away.

>> It's a block I can't see that happen a

block away. That that that there is when

when you have cuz there's a couple

things I did. I the Hutcherson fan when

he did this in 1979. This is the

levitation of objects, metal bending or

fracturing. And

>> there's even that example of that one uh

uh cast iron,

>> right? That just kind of starts Rob. I

don't know if you have that clip or not

with cast iron and just kind of starts

bending and then all of a sudden it

collapsed. Right. If you want to pull

that out

>> and it was cold to the touch. In other

words, the energy came out of the

material. It was cold to the touch.

>> Afterwards, it was cold to the touch.

Interesting.

>> Brandon has that clip. And Brandon, you

want to That's the one right there.

Third one. Rob. Yeah, that's the one

right there. So, is this is if you want

to maybe tell the audience what they're

looking at right now. This is an example

of

>> the field effects. interfere different

fields. It fields of um uh static field

with with um a radio frequency signal.

And and this happens.

>> And this is iron.

>> Yeah.

>> And Rob, if you can because this is

going to take a while to go through it.

If you want to fast forward a little

bit.

>> And notice the fumes coming out of it.

>> Right there. Stop it. Yeah. Right there.

>> You see how fumes are puffing out of the

top of it?

>> And then boom.

Okay. Well, when you see that, one would

say that's not what happened to World

Trade Center. World Trade Center just

flat out came down.

>> Well, th this is a small amount.

>> I get that. But look what happens to it

if we're talking about,

>> you know, directed.

>> It crumbled a little bit afterwards, but

it isn't completely like I said, he

would experiment with trying this and

that and the other. Uh, and sometimes he

would get levitation.

One thing that was interesting, he has a

toy boat on some water and he has his

gizmo on. The water's jumping up and you

can tell when he turns the gizmo off and

then the boat appears to catch fire

right after he turns the g the power off

>> and he doesn't know why.

>> Uh it it's

you know knowing why is a a next step.

Um but there's people that were

experimenting with lifters and when they

turn the gizmo off they catch fire.

>> Okay so

>> it's like something that builds up.

>> So this this the one question led to

this. The first question I ask you is if

I had unlimited resources, how much

would it take for me to be able to do

this? Right. And you said ask

Hutchinson. Okay. With what he did?

>> No. Go visit Go visit him because you go

visit him and then you you know that's

free.

>> There's a difference between doing to

something this big versus doing it to a

World Trade Center

>> causing him to come down and doing it on

the international scale while

everybody's

not working home watching it live. If

you haven't tested this before and you

screw it up, the world's going to be

like, "Who was behind this?" Right? So,

if you're gonna test directed energy,

you you would have had to test it 10 20

times on smaller buildings to make sure

you're ready that you do it on the

national scale with all the CBS, ABCs,

NBC. Everybody's watching it. You don't

look like a clown. So, to me, in order

to test it at that level, don't you have

to have tested it before in smaller

buildings?

And there there are very suspicious

things that have happened in time before

that. But uh the important thing again

to remember is the average person

doesn't know what they're looking at.

And that's the impressive thing about

this this trick was that the entire

planet watched this happen, but they

don't know what they're looking at. So

they can be told something else and and

they'll just buy it. They don't

understand what this is.

>> No, I know that. But what I'm saying is

if I'm researching this, like here's

what I did. I went online and I said,

"Okay, have we had any?" And by the way,

there's a follow-up question to this. I

went online and said, "Have we had any

directed energy weapons being used in

the history of mankind?" Rob, if you

want to ask this question on Chad GBT,

see what comes up. There was even one as

recent as Israel that did it this year

in 2025 with a drone. But if you look at

the three three things comes up laser

weapon systems uh aboard USS Pon the

Navy okay that we had in 2014 in the

Persian Gulf

>> and this system engage in test targets

including UAV drones and small boats and

was authorized for self-defense use.

>> Well I've only read about uh slingshots

BB guns and bow and arrows. So it's got

to be one of those. You know in other

words people only look within their

repertoire. They don't observe. And if

they're told that it hasn't been used

before, then okay, it has been used.

>> Yeah, but that's not what I'm saying.

What I'm saying is I went and looked to

see what's been used. So that's one of

them. The other one was the Turkeykey's

uh Alka system in Libya in 2019, which

is six years ago.

>> Um let me disclose to you uh that I

contacted the directed energy

directorate with

>> no in the US

>> and

>> and showing this evidence and saying uh

is somebody in your outfit doing this?

Oh, we don't have no idea what what that

is and we wouldn't be able to explain

it. Of course, that's what they're going

to say publicly, but they didn't say

you're wacko for suggesting that.

>> I don't think the average person would

call you wacko, though. I don't think

the average person would call wacko. And

the last one I pulled up is the the one

in Turkey was a hybrid electromagnetic

laser system that they claimed to have

not shown have shot down a Chinese-made

Wingong uh UAV in Mistra, Libya. Uh

>> did you look at the Oklahoma City? Look

at the roof. if it's got cylindrical

holes in it. How did that happen with a

with a uh a spherical bomb?

>> So, how do you think it happened?

>> I I look at just look at the pattern of

it. A cylindrical is what you're talking

about there.

>> I mean, or it's if you look at the image

from the roof of um for uh

>> Can you do roof image, Rob? Oklahoma

bombing and just go roof image.

>> It's got it's got like scallop

cylindrical holes. Actually, when I

first saw uh building six at the World

Trade Center, I thought that was the

Oklahoma City building and I got the two

confused because they look very similar.

There's just one story difference in

height. Otherwise, they they look very

similar.

>> P Mora. So, if you go what uh

is that a good view for you right there?

>> Uh not it's not as good as some of the

ones I had on my website.

>> Okay. Is it still on your website?

>> Um hidden. I I wouldn't be able to find

it because it's, you know, years ago it

was stashed in there, but you look at it

in the scallop shaped cutouts in the

roof.

>> So, what are you claiming when you see

that? What What are you speculating?

>> When when I But I would don't buy the

story that that a bomb parked next to it

on the street, which would be a

spherical,

you know, shaped uh wave is going to

make cylindrical cutouts in the

building.

>> Okay,

>> that doesn't make sense. Also, there are

toasted cars in the block away from

Oklahoma City. Cars just appear to go

into spontaneous combustion.

That's after it's been smoothed out.

>> Okay. So, you're saying that

what what I'm trying to do is I'm trying

to say, okay, in order for this

directed energy weapon allegedly to have

been used on the World Trade Center that

had to have been tested before, for

example, what do you think is more

powerful? This or a nuclear bomb?

>> This.

>> Tell me why.

>> You destroyed the entire planet

>> with this.

>> Yeah.

It it might not be able to stop it. And

that's another thing that scares me. The

first time uh the the nuclear bomb was

tested, the scientists did not know if

it was self- quenching.

They're willing to try it because if

they kept going, there goes the planet.

They did not know if it was self-

quenching.

>> In other words, they're willing to

experiment on the planet.

>> And that's why this is so scary. And

what happened with banker's trust that

continued to disintegrate as time went

on

and they finally

unbuilt it. They took it down piece by

piece.

>> Okay. But but they did test the nuclear

weapon, right? There was an original

test

>> that took place that the world knew

about that people in the military knew

about, right?

>> If

>> do you do you know about every top

secret project?

I don't know every top secret project,

but I do know if the government at the

highest level was trying to use directed

energy weapon to bring down the World

Trade Center, they would have had to

test it somewhere before to not look

like idiots in the global, you know,

marketplace to see. So, if that's the

case where, let's just say, let's put it

and say it happened. Great. I want to

know how did you do it to get to a point

where you're comfortable with a million

cameras on you that you're going to nail

it and convince the world that no was a

plane that brought it in.

>> It's not my crime. I didn't I didn't

plan it.

>> What does that mean?

>> I I didn't plan 911. I I didn't

>> I know. But you wrote about it. You're

the one that wrote a book called Where

Did the Towers?

>> I'm writing what the evidence shows.

>> Okay. So, I'm asking you a question

because you've spent more time on this

than me. What I

>> Yeah. I'm I'm talking about the physical

phenomena, not who did what, to whom

when. But that would be what I would go

to investigate. I would want to know if

this happened if if we have and by the

way I want to consider it as because the

way my mind works is if a crime is done

one by one by one my job is to eliminate

if I got seven people here that are

claiming one of these seven killed that

family one by one by one. I want to go

through all of them. I don't want to

leave any one of them to chance. Okay?

Cuz then I'm going to be like unusual

suspect. So, and I don't want to be the

guy that he walks up.

>> Well, see, I don't know the serial

number of the of the product. I don't

think it even got reg. I'm not asking

about the serial number, Dr. Judy.

Respectfully, what I'm asking you is for

the government to be able to launch

something like this on the global scale

and fool everybody. They have had to

have tested this before.

>> So, but you're acting like you need a a

blueprint of of the design of something.

I'm saying what on this level of what

got done. It couldn't, you know, it

couldn't have been kinetic energy. Okay.

>> It couldn't have been thermal energy.

>> All right.

>> You know, there were 14 people that

walked out of stairway B after the

building went away.

>> I do know that

>> they weren't crushed. They weren't

burned up. And there were two people

above that that even survived just

riding the wave down. And one guy went

home at night. You know, his wife was

shocked.

>> So, what do you think? Why do you think

died there? Uh that there was something

that did not crush people.

>> Okay.

>> It didn't cook him to death.

>> So, that eliminates about every uh

weapon that's known. Isn't there a

possibility that some areas of it like

you know when I was in Iran and we would

have things that would happen or the

bombing they would say go hide under the

stairs it's the safest place you could

be right sometimes you could get lucky

sometimes you could get very lucky and

you could make it things do happen plane

crashes happen 99 people die and one

person makes it and you spend the rest

of your life telling that story Titanic

there was a lot of survivors how many

people died a lot of people died but

there was a few survivors that we they

made movies about it right that we read

about Pascal Bazelli survived when the

building around him didn't. He was he

was the building around him was gone. He

was they call him the surfer

>> that Yeah. He came down without the

building around him. Um but uh you know

if it's not a kinetic energy weapon and

not a thermal energy weapon. Yeah.

>> It was something

>> that isn't in the uh whatever you call

it multiple choice menu.

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dustification, right? That things just

disappeared. They turn into dust.

>> Well, they turn didn't disappear. They

they uh came apart into dust.

>> But what does that mean though? If they

if they if they turn into dust,

>> the the material came apart.

>> And is the is the physical material

still around or it's most of it is no

longer around

>> is is well it's not around there, you

know, kind of gone with the wind. It

blew down the eastern sea.

>> Okay. So, if that's the case, how long

did it take to clean up all the mess

that was left from the 9/11 from from

the World Trade Center coming out?

>> Mean the dust? Well, I if if you're if

it's dust, it would take a week or two

to clean up.

>> Oh, no. It's it's down the eastern

seabboard. It's down into uh Delaware.

It would it was getting deposited

>> the dust.

>> Yes,

>> I know. But would there physical items

that they had to clean up?

>> There weren't big items.

>> So then why did it take 40,000 people,

construction workers, firefighters,

police engineers,

>> and 1.8 8 million tons of debris and

rubble and steel to remove.

>> There were from what I saw and I

actually went there and saw it the the

um mechanism or whatever the the effect

it got initiated and it wasn't self

quenching. It kept going and going and

going going. What they were doing is

bringing in fresh dirt, putting it down

the ground, stirring it around, taking

it back out, bringing in more dirt.

Well,

>> so you're thinking they brought the dirt

and the dirt wasn't there?

>> I've got pictures of the the dirt trucks

bringing dirt in.

Yeah. And that can be manipulated

because that could be them taking a dirt

out and it looks like they're bringing

it in. That that that could be a way for

someone again. I am I am going to play

the the

to be super speculative of this.

>> Okay.

>> Because that that's I think that's fair

to the audience for me to ask some of

these questions to get to the bottom of

it because if it did happen, man, we got

some work to do to go find out what

happened with this thing here, right?

Cuz

>> it's really weird. I was there

physically in person and visiting it

several years later and uh they had

those gates where they let the trucks in

and out and they don't want anybody

around there to be able to, you know,

take pictures inside. And I see that

something's going to happen. Okay, get

the camera ready. The uh gate opens up.

The guy drives out, drives up Liberty

Street, oh just past the 10 and 10

firehouse and stops. He slides out the

passenger side. another driver hops in

the driver's side and and continues on.

In other words, the guy who was taking

them in and out of the um the site was

not the one that that drove it off

someplace. Thought that was pretty

interesting.

>> Okay.

>> But there there's a whole lot of just

information like that, but what becomes

important is physically what's going on

and be able to to see. You don't need to

have the answer to see that something

weird is going on with the material. The

material is constantly breaking down. I

I I think something weird happened. I

just don't know what the weird thing is.

I do think something weird happened on

911. I don't trust that just a building

flew in and then boom, it goes down

because case study doesn't give the

individuals who believe in that

credibility. It doesn't.

>> Yeah. Airplanes. People like to argue

about airplanes. I think that was the

emotional attachment they gave people to

to giving a reason for what happened to

the buildings

>> to gay pe to gay people.

>> No. No. To get people to get you know,

to get to get them to attach to it, you

know, to uh their emotions.

>> I thought you were going to drop a new

like a gay airline or something. I don't

want to start rumors now. So, you're

saying to get people, not gay people,

right? To get people. My apologies.

Yeah.

>> To get people to Yeah, I can see how it

sounds like that. I'll slow down. Uh,

I'll slow down. To get people uh an

answer or something they can attach to.

Oh, that's what they need a reason why

the buildings went poof.

>> Oh, I saw that airplane, so therefore

that did it. And some people argue for

airplanes. Some of you will argue

against airplanes and what I like to say

is airplanes can't turn buildings to

dust in midair.

>> Yeah, I don't believe that.

>> Real real airplanes can't and neither

can fake airplanes. So there's no point

in talking about the the airplane issue

because that's just a distraction away

from what is actually happening.

>> You you know you know how I in the

craziest way how I process this.

Why did they take the Richard Gage

interview down? Why? I don't know. And

by the way, I pushed them. Why did they

take it down? I don't know. You know

why? If this stays up, maybe they're

comfortable with this theory

>> and not

>> it's not a theory. I just talk about

evidence. That's why, you know, I can't

give you the serial numbers of it.

>> Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So, did you ever

investigate to see if there was any

other any of these directed energy

experiments taking place at mass levels?

>> I I didn't need to because of something

that happened over there. That doesn't

conclude what happened here. I'm looking

at what happened here.

>> Yeah. But if you want to buy this house,

the real estate agent's going to look at

the surrounding houses to get a comp to

say how much this house is worth. It's

called comps. So if I got a case like

this, they'll say, you know, this

reminds me of the Ro v way. This reminds

me of such and such case. This reminds

me of such and such case. Why do they do

that?

>> This is a physical phenomenon. This is a

physical phenomenon. You can't

>> This has never happened before.

>> Maybe it has. And there's there's like I

say there's other places I could

question but there's so much information

about this one. I know what happened

with this one. Um you know there's

characteristics that you start you know

seeing that you would recognize again

like if you uh understand what happened

at the World Trade Center and then you

look at the Pentagon you go oh I've seen

that before. uh I didn't need to

investigate the Pentagon so much but

there be it's there's not as much

evidence I mean uh information available

because it's you know secure location

but uh with the World Trade Center

because they had this public document

there you know this report and so forth

it had to be public the information

>> so I just went online and I typed what

is that Rob

>> that's the Pentagon on 911

>> oh okay got it

>> you know it's it has the questions of

its own but I just I didn't need get

into other

>> let's stay let's let's stay on 911. So

when I when I look at so I typed in how

many movies have used directed energy

weapons before in the past just movies

>> because sometimes the way I see movies

is movies are you know

>> addictive

>> yeah 30 years before right typically

before something happens they'll drop it

in movies and they'll get us ready to

say this is coming soon relax it's going

to be okay oh 30 years later we're

going to make robots you're going to own

them 10 to $30,000 you're going to be

fine all right I got 72 robots as

employees now hey Johnny hi Rob how are

you what's your day looking like? You

know, and then we're just Yeah, they

told us in movies I Robots is coming.

So, it's finally here. So,

>> there's actually one that I that

somebody sent me a link to uh where I

don't know what it was called, not Pink

Panther, but something like that where

where they used gizmos that dustified a

building.

>> Oh, trust me. I've I've seen them in

movies. So,

>> so there you go. So, you have one with

Star Wars iconic blaster, Death Star,

Super Laser. Okay. Kind of cool. Uh,

Star Trek has phrases phasers as DEWs.

Okay. Uh, the day Earth stood still.

Clatus robot Gort uses a disintegration

beam. War of the Worlds. There's a new

one as well that they did 20 years ago,

but Martian heat rays devastate cities.

Fantastic Voyage 66, laser scalpel used

inside a human body. Flash, Gordon, and

Tron use beams as weapons. Ghostbusters,

Proton packs as quasi DEW. Then you got

Independence Day, alien ships fire

massive city destroying beams, starship

troopers, plasma weapons and

interstellar combat, fifth element,

energy rifles, and alien tech. I mean,

you can see in movies these things have

been used. And if they've been used in

movies, I believe this exists. I don't

think this is like something that's out

of the ordinary. So, I'm not speculating

that they exist.

>> Would you believe it's top secret?

could be. I do

>> that.

>> The response I got back from from the

directed energy director, it kind of was

hinting that way like we're not going to

talk about it. It's just like I don't

know. We don't do we don't do that.

>> I don't know about that. I I don't I

don't know about that because I if if

>> they can't disclose it.

>> I know they can't disclose it. But to

me, if there's eight and a half months

it took to clean up 1.8 8 million tons

of rubble and steel and they needed

40,000 workers to clean it up. Where is

the justification?

>> So, you're assuming it's a normal site.

You're assuming it's a normal a normal

site with normal debris.

>> What's an abnormal site?

>> Um, if if people spent that long

cleaning it up?

>> Yeah.

>> What are they cleaning up?

Um, I've got photos from the afternoon.8

million tons of rubble and steel and

>> No, they're they calculate what went

into building the buildings. That's the

ingredients of what went into the

buildings. So, they say, "Well, we

hauled out that much debris."

>> Mhm.

>> There's no I wouldn't see a receipt for

it. There isn't any. I And I saw

pictures on 911 where on West Street

there, dust that tall, you there's no

junk. You could essentially drive your

vehicle down.

>> So you don't believe there was eight and

a half months of 40,000 people

volunteering to clean up all the

>> Oh, they were doing stuff. Yeah. They

there were like the bucket brigade and

and whatnot, but it wasn't material that

much material being taken out. There's a

lot of dirt going out.

>> You think it was just dirt?

>> Can you find a clip of what they were

cleaning up? I'm actually Now, now you

got me curious. Clips of workers

cleaning up

>> World Trade Center. Do you have any

clips of it of them doing that?

>> There was bucket brigades taking stuff

out carefully in case there was a body

in there.

>> Let's see if I can find um

>> if you type in like 911 cleanup. Is

there 911 click? I have here's one I

just found. Rob, is that okay? So that's

911 cleanup. What is that? That's not

dust. If you want to look at that, Dr.

June.

>> Yeah, that's not 110 stories worth of

material.

>> So what do you think it is?

Uh,

think of a game of pickup sticks where

you have a pile there and if if they're

really standing up and you you try to

make them look like they're more, but

>> so you think they're manipulating.

>> Okay, this this picture is right after

9/11.

>> Let me see it.

>> That one over there. And that's ground

level. That's the plaza and the that

globe that was in the middle of the

plaza. Okay.

>> There's some holes in the ground, but

that's that's the patio level the at the

of the plaza.

>> Okay. So, what was the temperature when

all this stuff was coming down?

>> Actually, um uh folks who were running

through it said that the dust was

actually cooler than ambient

temperature. It burned like acid burns,

but it was cooler than ambient

temperature, which I thought was kind of

weird.

>> Okay. So,

>> lot of strange and and uh this is a good

one. Where did uh building four go?

That's one of my favorite ones. A wall

is gone. And the the level right

underneath it where the mall was is

still intact.

Roadrunner survived. There's a Warner

Brothers store there with Roadrunner in

it. It didn't get crushed.

>> I want to know who built that structure,

right? That's who I want to hire. That's

>> uh right. Right.

>> So, what's this Rob? What do you have

here? That's Roadrunner.

>> No, that's the the remaining um wing of

the north part of building four. Here's

um here's building four here.

>> And where my figure shows, that's what

you're seeing. It's just that block

above.

>> Uh yeah, that's just that's just uh this

part, but this whole part went missing.

>> Okay.

>> The big the large part. And that's what

you see here where I dashed it in.

>> What what things could make those things

go missing? A

>> tornado. a tornado.

>> Yeah.

>> Uh, another thing I like to to point out

is static electricity was discovered in

the year 600 BC. Okay.

>> So, we're told in our in our books,

>> but do you believe it took them 2400

more years to discover electricity?

How many times was it discovered and

undiscovered and whatnot? And still uh

we don't really learn about what

tornadoes are as a general public, but

obviously it isn't just like a vacuum

cleaner. There's a there's a different

kind of process, electromagnetic process

going on.

>> Okay. Well, let me ask you before we

came up, you said something about flat

earth. What what is what is your thought

on flat earth?

>> I I think uh the northern um uh Royal

Albatross had it figured out before

humans were even around,

>> which is what what did he figure out? um

that you fly east, you keep flying east

and you get back home. You leave home

flying east and when they have their

nests um the southern part of uh New

Zealand and also off the coast of the

Chattam Islands in that little island

and when the babies uh fledge they fly

east and they hang out off the coast of

of Chile about five years till they grow

up and then they fly east again and keep

going till they get back home. They know

exactly where their nest was that they

came from. So what does that mean?

>> Um they don't turn around and go back.

>> So it's not flat,

>> right?

>> Okay, that's good. So you don't believe

that flat,

>> right? They could do laps around there.

>> Okay, that's great. Yeah, we like that.

We like the fact that we do laps.

>> There there was one last year that baby

that didn't stop very long in in South

America. After a month, he kept going

and he made it as far as Tasmania,

almost to New Zealand when his his uh

thing fell off. They have a GPS uh gizmo

that's that with a solar panel on it.

Yeah. They glue it to the feathers, but

when they mol it comes off.

>> They have a longer term one that they

put around their ankles. But but this

one was cool. Like go boy, go. Yeah.

>> You literally track where he's at.

>> Yeah. He almost made a complete lap

around the the planet.

>> Wow.

>> They can go across the the Pacific in

about one or two weeks.

>> What a great time.

>> Frequent fly miles.

>> Being a burden just kind of traveling

and relaxing. They don't flap their

wings. No, they sleep

>> when when they leave um their nest. They

don't touch solid ground for another

five years.

>> They may land on the water, but they um

they don't land on solid ground.

>> So, they sleep while flying.

>> Yeah. And like they they they don't

flap, they they soar.

>> Wow. Most people can't fly and have a

hard time sleeping. These guys sleep

while they're flying.

>> That's some major respect for them to be

able to do something like that. So, what

are we gonna do with this? Okay. What

what if if you wanted to say motivation,

I'm actually curious where you're going

to go with this. What would be someone's

motive to do what they did to 911? Who

would be the people that would want to

bring down the World Trade Center?

>> Well, I'm not one of them, but I can

look at what's happened since then.

>> Okay.

>> You know, see the the uh effects. Um,

one thing that really bugged me after

911 was we had all these flying spy

gizmos being put out and and spy cameras

everywhere. People wouldn't have put up

with that without 911. But the biggest

thing that I would like the the viewer

to understand is that 911 was an attack

on human consciousness.

Since 911, people have not been thinking

so clearly or so deeply. They just kind

of go along nod nong and they hear

something. Oh, okay.

and and we need to get back to that.

It's like um a degradation of our

culture. And that's sort of what one of

the big aims of my book is going through

this evidence and teaching people to

observe what they're seeing, not what

they're being told to see.

>> Wow.

>> It's a big deal. Um I've got this cute

story probably heard about Jack

Williams. The very first uh jet

airplane, P-59,

>> um was flown by Jack Williams. When they

had it on the ground,

>> Jack Williams,

>> Williams, W l a ms. When when they had

on the ground to hide this top secret

technology, they put a fake propeller on

it.

And the propeller kind of looked like

some boards off of a you know, some

planks off of a wooden fence. And um and

then and then you know they take it off

and they fly it away. And when my dad

read my book, he got to that he was in

World War II. He went, "Oh yeah, I

thought those were weird, but I didn't

think I need more of it.

>> People don't know what they're looking

at." Um and then apparently Jack

Williams was at the the local pub

drinking a bunch and said to the P39

pilots, "I have an airplane that doesn't

have propellers on it." And then he

would oops, how do you back that up?

Well, next day he he uh rented a gorilla

suit, derby hat, cigar out of his mouth,

and flew up next to the P39 pilots.

Then that night at the watering hole,

you see that escape gorilla from the

zoo. I see nothing. I know nothing.

>> Who would want to admit it?

>> Yeah.

>> But but people don't see what's really

there. They see what they think they're

supposed to see.

>> Yeah. By the way, when you got your

degree and you finish up your PhD, what

did you do for work from 92 till 01?

What did you do professionally?

>> Well, I was a um is there's more of a

story behind that. Uh I was a what do

you call it? A postoc student for some

of that. I got injured um like as in

killed and then come back from from

that. The whole lot of stuff, you know,

I've had a full life.

>> Good for you. And that's another reason

why I felt like I needed to go into 911.

>> But what did you do full-time? What was

your full-time job? Were you a professor

or did you work for a company as a

mechanical engineer?

>> Um I I mainly when I came back from that

I was doing a postoc and then I became a

professor.

>> Okay. Did you ever did you ever work on

a job like as an mechanical engineer

like did you work

>> I wasn't a mechanical engineer.

Engineering mechanics is a little bit

different. You test materials. If I get

a degree in civil engineering,

engineering, mechanics, applied physics,

and material engineering science, what

job do I go pursue? What do I do for a

living?

>> Um, if it's not with academia, uh,

testing materials.

>> Did you ever do that?

>> Running experiments. Yeah. Um,

>> who was it with? What company?

>> I was at Boeing.

>> You're at Boeing.

>> Yeah. For intermission and also um, uh,

worked at for a short time at NASA

Langley.

>> How long were you at NASA? How long?

>> Not Not long. It was u a part of their

program. I you know doing your your

degree and then you go work at at at

NASA.

>> How long did you work at Boink?

>> Uh

not long.

>> 10 years, five years, three years.

>> Six months, three months?

>> No. Um like a a year

>> at each places?

>> Yeah.

>> So you've mainly been academia your

entire life?

>> Yeah. Or or or a hospital patient.

>> Got it. So that's interesting. Well, I

also was a was a um draftsman for a

while.

>> What do draftsmen do?

>> This is before the computer.

>> Oh, got it. Would you draw? Yeah, I got

it.

>> Can I Okay. Well, listen. Any final

things you want to say before we wrap up

the podcast.

>> Any final thoughts that audience should

look into?

We're going to put the link below for

people to be able to go out there and

order. Where did the towers go? I know

Brandon for sure is going to buy it. A

bunch of you guys will buy it, but what

what else would you want to leave the

audience to think about? Uh, think about

how how

careful we need to be to not be led

around. Uh, what what do magicians do?

They get you to lie to yourself. They

get you to believe something that isn't

true. They get you to make an

assumption, a jump of of something that

isn't true. And so, if you're constantly

being, you know, it's either this, this,

or this. No, but this doesn't agree to

it. Oh, don't look at that. Yeah.

Instead, you need to look at what is in

front of you. Think of that that uh

exercise that that artist did, putting

his hands underneath a window.

>> I think that's very interesting. Yeah.

>> Yeah. And and you're forced to look at

one piece relative to another and see

what is really there.

>> Yeah.

>> And because it's a hard thing to do. You

have to train yourself to do it.

>> I I could never do it. I could never do

it. But I'm, you know, to me, I simply

want to know what happened. It's a big

day. It's a it's it's the one of the

worst days in the history of American

you know American history especially

last 50 years if we go to 60s that

changes but last 50 years many would put

it at the top worst day that we

experienced and we still don't know what

happened

>> well you know what my PhD was or the

dissertation

>> uh developed a method for uh measuring

deformation of materials I saw that

>> and stresses and uh when I came back

with that evidence it contradicted

all theoretical uh results up to that

point.

>> Theory couldn't didn't correctly predict

what was there and um it became what uh

like a colleague of mine started using

it and went to work for Motorola

measuring the stresses in microchips

because you get any two dissimilar

materials bond together you can get huge

stresses on the interface.

>> Have you been to the new world trade

center? the new ones that built

>> I've been in the New World Trade Center.

I've been to the um uh what do you call

it? Um museum several times.

>> You have been to the museum.

>> That's pretty weird. You know that that

video of the um spire dustifying?

>> Yes.

>> They have that you see it right when you

come in the door. They probably won't

now that I'm pointed out, but um it's

it's a smaller part of the bigger

picture. They have it more from but but

they have theified spiral

>> right in front of it.

>> Right in front.

>> When you go there, do they know who you

are?

>> No. No. time.

>> No. So, they don't give you a hard time

tell when you go in there.

>> Uh, no. No. And, uh, this Bible is

there.

>> This Bible on the rock?

>> Yeah. Yeah.

>> The Bible didn't burn,

>> right? And it has formerly liquid metal

fused to the page.

>> And this is in the museum.

>> Yes. Just before you gra they they run

you through this loop-de-loop around.

And just before you leave, I thought I

missed it and I was turned around to go

back and there it is. It's like in the

middle of the aisle.

>> Do did they do they find out whose Bible

it was or No, because I'm sure the

family would love this.

>> They probably don't know, but there's

some very interesting things. If you

know what you're looking at there, like

um

uh a firet truck where only the

electrical stuff is is toasted in it.

Nothing else.

>> You are fully convinced that's what

happened.

>> That there's the things.

>> Oh, not that one, but some other ones.

Rob, please get it right when you're

showing pictures like this.

>> That's all right.

>> A serious meaning.

>> He probably doesn't have that one.

>> He needs to take it seriously. I mean,

let me

>> This one they have beyond in the pay

wall at at the museum. The stuff outside

the pay wall and you have to pay more to

go inside the control thing. But these

are are weird as they are. Yeah. Check

Check out that ambulance.

>> Huh.

>> It's just got holes in it.

>> Yeah.

>> Random holes.

>> That's wild. And they still have it up

there.

>> Yeah. And you'll see convinced. So, what

do you think about Richard Gage and his

organization? What they did?

>> Uh,

they're uh either not real bright or or

they're deliberately misdirecting. Now,

Richard Gage bought a copy of my book.

Uh, see, it was April 9th, 2011.

>> Shoddy order that he made.

>> Well, he bought it off of somebody with

a with a check um that's to a bank from

891 Truth. So, 891 Truth paid for the

book. Why do you think that's a big

deal?

>> That he has it. He has the information.

>> Oh, I'm sure. Would you ever sit down

with him in a debate format?

>> Sure, but he has no interest in the

truth because the way like even this

thing they had this past week.

>> Yeah.

>> Uh it looked like a junior high girl was

throwing spitwads at somebody. They had

a a professional engineer supposedly.

>> His whole presentation, this is supposed

to be for Congress or something, was

about debunking my book.

>> Nothing of material. He didn't didn't

talk about the lack of S&P waves, lack

of debris.

>> So, you would sit down with them if we

did something.

>> Um,

sure. But but I don't think his interest

is in that.

>> All right. Let us see what we can do

with them. We we'll

>> we'll see. Maybe we can do something

with that.

>> There's also maybe maybe he's, you know,

been a a victim of that idea that you

only see what you think exists.

>> You think so?

>> Yeah. It's so it's got to be either um

slingshot BB gun or or phone.

>> So Richard Gates his own community he

started ousted him fired him. I I think

something didn't something happened to

him. Rob

>> Yes, he was. I believe he was removed

from the uh architects and engineers for

911.

>> He started that, right? And how many

people were part of that organization?

Like 30,000 3,000.

>> He started it in response to my u

request for corrections to NIST.

>> Yeah. that came out and a couple weeks

later is when the first 8911 truth

website went up and and no one who ever

talked to Judy Wood was allowed to be in

811 truth. And if you talked about the

KAM case, you were banned from the

group.

>> Have you uh uh because you heard

President Trump announcing that he would

release everything they have for for

911, what happened to World Trade

Center? Were you following that story or

No.

>> Yeah, I think he was saying that and

didn't really know. get votes. But um

but I don't think he knew what was there

and there's plenty of other stuff going

on. Um

>> who doesn't want this thing to be

released? Who doesn't want it to be

released?

>> Probably all of them. Um Ron Johnson was

speaking at that thing earlier this week

on Wednesday.

>> Yeah.

>> And he's he made a a good comment that

Trump has a lot of on his plate right

now and and they've already hired uh one

investigation for for this. uh why

should they hire another one because it

you know the first one didn't give you

the answer you wanted but something else

that Ron Johnson said is um you know

Adam's not sure there's some things that

that could ever be released

>> and I think that's the the case but

think of this this in the wrong hands

>> what the director energy weapon would

>> this this technology I I wouldn't call

it you know I'm not specifying it as a

weapon but what would you call it this

>> this phenomenon this technology your big

wood words. I learned that.

>> Yeah. Um now I don't know if you saw the

part about um Ed Lecan.

>> He's a Latvian guy who came to the US

from around from in Florida, southern

Florida. You you need to go down there.

I'd love to go there with you to to um I

think it's in Homestead. He built this

castle the size of he excavated big

rocks out of uh brain coral and built a

castle

u out of it. And then um uh I forgot

what happened and he had to move it and

his friend put a flatbed truck there and

by morning he had it loaded. He if

somebody was ever watching he'd stop

he'd stop working on it.

It's like leaving your gun cabinet

unlocked. You don't leave your gun

cabinet unlocked unless everybody knows

what what the gun uh

>> So you think he had the EW and he moved

it with

>> Well, he didn't know how to weapon. He

knew how to uh you know he could he

levitate the stones by himself. dropped

the W.

>> Yeah,

>> he had access to DE.

>> Yeah, he he could manipulate the energy

to to levitate stuff and they think

that's how the the pyramids were built.

He had this little rinky dink tripod

that couldn't hold more than 100 pound

100 pounds and um lifted 15 ton stones.

Well, I mean that part where you're

going

and they show how they build the

pyramids back in the days in Egypt and

when you hear the phenomenon, it makes

no sense that right

>> we so what did they use for them to be

able to you know move it? What type of

power did you have today to you know so

there is something there when those

topics come up?

>> Yeah. Look look at Ed Leadg's little

castle. It's you know like two or three

stores.

>> Can you find that castle of his?

>> Coral castle. Is that it? The Coral

Castle?

>> It's about a couple of stories tall. And

he made a little power plant in it.

>> Which guy is it? Is it Is it that guy?

>> Uh yeah, that's it. That building on the

right. Those are 15 ton stones that he

>> each one of them.

>> Yeah. He excavated brain coral.

>> So you're wondering how he put it up

there?

>> Oh, I'm not wondering.

>> You know how he did it?

>> Yeah. He he he has written book a little

book on it.

>> Uh

>> have you met him?

>> No. No. He died in uh 1950 something.

>> Oh, okay. He he was uh sick and rode his

bicycle to the hospital and died there.

>> He's sick. He gets on his bicycle, goes

to the hospital and dies there.

>> Yeah, I think TV or something like that.

>> Yeah,

>> that he had. But um yeah, apparently

like neighborhood kids watching and he'd

stop he'd stop working.

>> And I think it's because you need to

earn

>> to know that kind of stuff.

>> Yeah. You you need to to earn that

privilege. It's like understanding how

to destroy the planet. You don't just

turn that loose.

>> Understanding how to destroy the planet.

>> It could be.

>> Let me ask you, what's your favorite

movie?

>> Uh,

Space Camp. I don't know. I'm I'm

thinking of some fun

>> Space Camp.

>> Yeah.

>> You like Space.

>> A League of Their Own. That was fun.

>> I like League of Their Own.

>> You There's no crying in baseball,

right? Is that the

>> Right. Right. Right. Right.

>> Yeah. Was that League of Their Own or

No, that's Is that the Am I saying it

correctly?

>> Yeah, that was League of Their Own.

>> Yeah, they were crying. She's like, "No,

Madonna's No, Madonna." Brazil.

>> It's actually a very good movie. Yeah.

>> Yeah.

>> There's no crying in baseball.

>> I remember that line. It's a good movie.

Favorite book of all time? Trying to

figure you out. Dr. Judy Wood.

>> Trying to figure you out. What are you

going to say? Favorite book?

>> Aren't too many books. Uh, first one I

ever read was On the Beach by Neville

Shoot.

>> And that's your book.

>> That was the first one I ever read. It

made a big impression on me.

>> All right. Well, thank you so much for

joining us. people's uh mentality like

near the end of the book where um they

know that they're going to get wiped out

with a nuclear uh wave. Lady has to go

out and plant a spring flowers and you

see that that's a human nature is

pretend it doesn't exist and continue

on.

>> Yeah,

>> we have people doing that now.

>> I for sure believe that we have people

doing that. I was hoping I could figure

out what happened on 9/11

and

>> Well, you know, there was a hurricane.

There's a

>> Yeah,

>> hurricanes have a static field outside

of them.

>> Was it called Hurricane Brandon?

Hurricane.

>> Hurricane Aaron.

>> Aaron.

>> Yeah, it was under reportport. It wasn't

non-reported. It was under reportported.

>> Right. Right. Right. Hurricane Aaron.

That's right.

>> And And you know how uh TV stations love

to, you know, make just really make it

for all it's worth. Oh, and there was a

um airline attendant flying out of

Boston that morning. He he saw the

people who supposedly disappeared.

Whoops. Into um into one or two, I

forget which. Um he saw them that

morning in the office and then anyway

flew out the other direction. But they

never talked. He he was totally unaware

there was a category 3 hurricane right

there.

>> All of that I can get there. The

directed energy. Let's not use a W

words. I don't want to upset you.

>> The directed energy side.

>> I

>> just the mechanism. Just just call it

the mechanism. What happened? Yeah.

Don't don't give it a name.

>> I just don't want to upset you. But

>> it's been great spending time with you.

>> It's been great.

>> This is evidence.

>> Yeah. No, that's great. And like I said,

I'm going to put the book below. Rob, if

you can put the clip uh the link to the

book, where did the f towers go? And

we'll put the clip to you, the link to

your website as well. And if the

audience wants to get a hold of you,

they will. Well, thank you for coming

out. This was great. Appreciate you.

Appreciate you. Take care everybody.

Bye-bye. Bye. Bye.

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