1 00:00:05,600 --> 00:00:07,600 ♪ ♪ 2 00:00:50,710 --> 00:00:52,710 ♪ ♪ 3 00:01:27,980 --> 00:01:29,550 - (Michelle): Talk to us first 4 00:01:29,650 --> 00:01:31,050 of your childhood. 5 00:01:32,620 --> 00:01:34,120 - I had a Happy childhood ... 6 00:01:34,220 --> 00:01:35,690 - a little stronger, Please. 7 00:01:35,790 --> 00:01:37,630 Looking at the judge. 8 00:01:40,130 --> 00:01:42,200 - (Pascale): I had a happy childhood. 9 00:01:42,300 --> 00:01:44,870 I was very Very close to my MRE. 10 00:01:44,970 --> 00:01:45,970 Then... 11 00:01:47,470 --> 00:01:49,870 My father always has been there for me. 12 00:01:50,970 --> 00:01:53,640 - And what had air your intimate relationships 13 00:01:53,740 --> 00:01:55,540 before meeting Jean-Philippe? 14 00:01:55,640 --> 00:01:58,080 - Ah, I never had a relationship Stable before Jean-Philippe. 15 00:01:58,180 --> 00:01:59,410 - (Michelle): For what? 16 00:02:02,050 --> 00:02:04,090 - I scared guys. 17 00:02:04,190 --> 00:02:06,390 - (Michelle): How? 18 00:02:07,820 --> 00:02:08,720 - I was intense. 19 00:02:08,820 --> 00:02:11,730 I clung to them so hard 20 00:02:11,830 --> 00:02:13,460 that they finished By leaving me. 21 00:02:13,560 --> 00:02:14,900 Then, after that, 22 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:17,530 I had big sorrows of love that lasted, well ... 23 00:02:18,870 --> 00:02:20,100 Until the next. 24 00:02:23,670 --> 00:02:26,670 - With Jean-Philippe, How did it go? 25 00:02:29,380 --> 00:02:31,050 - It was ... 26 00:02:32,810 --> 00:02:34,350 A whole blow. 27 00:02:36,920 --> 00:02:39,550 I swore that he I would not lose it. 28 00:02:40,690 --> 00:02:42,290 - (Michelle): What did you do? 29 00:02:42,390 --> 00:02:43,930 - (Pascale): I learned to keep everything 30 00:02:44,030 --> 00:02:45,290 inside. 31 00:02:45,390 --> 00:02:46,530 - (Michelle): It worked? 32 00:02:46,630 --> 00:02:48,160 - (Pascale): Yes. 33 00:02:48,260 --> 00:02:50,170 We formed a beautiful couple. 34 00:02:50,270 --> 00:02:53,230 Must say that JP, He's a man ... 35 00:02:55,740 --> 00:02:57,070 exceptional. 36 00:02:59,270 --> 00:03:00,640 - (Michelle): What happened 37 00:03:00,740 --> 00:03:01,910 afterwards? 38 00:03:04,580 --> 00:03:06,150 - Uh, when my mother fell ill, 39 00:03:06,250 --> 00:03:08,450 This is where The storm started. 40 00:03:08,550 --> 00:03:10,490 - Between Jean-Philippe and you? 41 00:03:10,590 --> 00:03:12,190 - (Pascale): Oh, no, no. 42 00:03:14,590 --> 00:03:16,620 In my head. 43 00:03:17,730 --> 00:03:19,560 We were so close, My mother then me. 44 00:03:19,660 --> 00:03:22,000 Just the idea of ​​... lose it, 45 00:03:22,100 --> 00:03:23,900 that it is not More in my life, I ... 46 00:03:26,000 --> 00:03:28,470 I started to have suicidal ideas. 47 00:03:29,900 --> 00:03:31,940 - (Michelle): Did you talk about it to someone? 48 00:03:32,040 --> 00:03:34,010 - (Pascale): Oh, person, person. 49 00:03:34,110 --> 00:03:36,710 I didn't want to stress my mother during her treatments, 50 00:03:36,810 --> 00:03:38,080 Then even less JP. 51 00:03:38,180 --> 00:03:40,450 No, I kept everything inside. 52 00:03:40,550 --> 00:03:42,550 - (Michelle): Do suicidal ideas 53 00:03:42,650 --> 00:03:43,920 ended up going? 54 00:03:44,020 --> 00:03:45,890 - (Pascale): No, it got worse. 55 00:03:45,990 --> 00:03:48,120 - (Michelle): How is it stuffy? 56 00:03:49,790 --> 00:03:52,730 - If I hadn't had Madeleine, I would have taken action. 57 00:03:54,660 --> 00:03:56,460 But I could Not doing that. 58 00:03:56,560 --> 00:03:59,130 - Have you looked for help? 59 00:04:00,840 --> 00:04:02,400 - No, because ... 60 00:04:03,640 --> 00:04:06,640 it replaced when I fell pregnant with Henri. 61 00:04:08,010 --> 00:04:09,310 (tears) 62 00:04:12,080 --> 00:04:14,850 - I think he is time that we take a break. 63 00:04:16,480 --> 00:04:18,250 - I am not able. 64 00:04:18,350 --> 00:04:21,350 Every time I speak Henri, everything goes up. 65 00:04:21,460 --> 00:04:22,990 - (Éliane): It's normal. 66 00:04:23,090 --> 00:04:24,460 - Hmm, hum! 67 00:04:24,560 --> 00:04:27,560 Then it touches the jury, too. It makes you human. 68 00:04:27,860 --> 00:04:29,630 - Not for JP. 69 00:04:29,730 --> 00:04:31,530 I feel it, let me look at me. 70 00:04:31,630 --> 00:04:33,430 It's like that burned me in my back. 71 00:04:33,530 --> 00:04:34,670 - (Éliane): He looks at you. 72 00:04:34,770 --> 00:04:35,870 He may judge you. 73 00:04:35,970 --> 00:04:38,510 But he listens to you. 74 00:04:39,510 --> 00:04:41,410 Don't forget it's your chance 75 00:04:41,510 --> 00:04:43,880 tell taversion of facts. 76 00:04:43,980 --> 00:04:46,050 You don't want to miss that. 77 00:04:49,680 --> 00:04:50,890 - No. 78 00:04:52,650 --> 00:04:53,720 OK. 79 00:04:56,220 --> 00:04:57,390 - (Michelle): You said 80 00:04:57,490 --> 00:05:00,130 that it was better During Henri's pregnancy? 81 00:05:00,230 --> 00:05:02,200 - I felt good, yes. 82 00:05:04,530 --> 00:05:06,070 Happy, even. 83 00:05:06,170 --> 00:05:09,170 - How was it Passed after pregnancy? 84 00:05:12,840 --> 00:05:15,210 - The evil has returned. 85 00:05:16,510 --> 00:05:18,180 - (Michelle): What do you mean 86 00:05:18,280 --> 00:05:19,610 by "the evil"? 87 00:05:20,850 --> 00:05:22,520 - My suicidal ideas. 88 00:05:24,250 --> 00:05:27,190 I put myself in the head of having another child. 89 00:05:27,290 --> 00:05:29,860 I feel so much Well when I'm pregnant. 90 00:05:31,530 --> 00:05:33,490 Except that each time that I had my period, 91 00:05:33,590 --> 00:05:35,600 I fell even more hollow. 92 00:05:38,300 --> 00:05:40,700 JP ended up leaving me. 93 00:05:44,240 --> 00:05:46,210 Then it is There I realized ... 94 00:05:48,940 --> 00:05:50,780 - What did you do? 95 00:05:51,810 --> 00:05:53,550 - That I was pregnant. 96 00:05:54,550 --> 00:05:55,450 (murmurs) 97 00:05:55,550 --> 00:05:57,190 - (Michelle): You felt how 98 00:05:57,290 --> 00:05:58,250 At that time? 99 00:05:58,350 --> 00:06:01,020 - Happy, sad, angry. I don't know. 100 00:06:01,120 --> 00:06:03,360 I should have run announce it to JP, 101 00:06:03,460 --> 00:06:04,830 But he had just left me. 102 00:06:04,930 --> 00:06:07,460 I didn't even know If I was going to keep it. 103 00:06:11,730 --> 00:06:13,970 Then when I understood Why my biological mother 104 00:06:14,070 --> 00:06:16,070 had given me in adoption, I... 105 00:06:19,110 --> 00:06:21,210 I lost the baby the same evening. 106 00:06:22,940 --> 00:06:24,450 A miscarriage. 107 00:06:26,880 --> 00:06:29,450 (murmurs) 108 00:06:42,300 --> 00:06:44,430 - Do you remember having Bought a fuel can 109 00:06:44,530 --> 00:06:46,000 a few days Before events? 110 00:06:46,100 --> 00:06:48,340 - I have no memory of that. 111 00:06:49,340 --> 00:06:50,910 And no more to have met the lady, 112 00:06:51,010 --> 00:06:53,040 Barbara Lhamo, who came to testify. 113 00:06:56,840 --> 00:06:59,280 - What was After that evening? 114 00:07:00,480 --> 00:07:02,150 - I did a Panic crisis. 115 00:07:02,250 --> 00:07:04,190 JP may tell me that he had anyone in his life, 116 00:07:04,290 --> 00:07:05,190 I didn't believe it. 117 00:07:05,290 --> 00:07:06,520 - (Michelle): For what? 118 00:07:07,960 --> 00:07:09,490 - not long Before we let ourselves, 119 00:07:09,590 --> 00:07:12,560 He started to hide To text on his phone. 120 00:07:12,660 --> 00:07:13,590 He didn't let go. 121 00:07:13,690 --> 00:07:14,660 And I still saw 122 00:07:14,760 --> 00:07:17,760 that he received a package messages from "Shanny". 123 00:07:18,300 --> 00:07:20,800 "Just a client", that he said. 124 00:07:20,900 --> 00:07:21,870 I found an invoice, 125 00:07:21,970 --> 00:07:24,040 I saw the address then I went to check. 126 00:07:25,210 --> 00:07:27,380 - You went At Shanny Létourneau? 127 00:07:27,480 --> 00:07:28,640 - (Pascale): Yes. 128 00:07:28,740 --> 00:07:31,280 I remember having seen JP's pick-up in the entrance. 129 00:07:32,250 --> 00:07:34,680 It was 11:00 am in the evening, It is sure that he was not working. 130 00:07:34,780 --> 00:07:36,020 - (Michelle): And afterwards? 131 00:07:37,420 --> 00:07:40,420 - I woke up The next day, all dressed. 132 00:07:40,860 --> 00:07:42,420 My clothes felt gasoline. 133 00:07:42,520 --> 00:07:45,520 I have ... no memory of what happened. 134 00:07:46,030 --> 00:07:47,660 I have a blackout. 135 00:07:47,760 --> 00:07:49,400 - (Michelle): It's the first time 136 00:07:49,500 --> 00:07:50,530 What happened to you? 137 00:07:50,630 --> 00:07:52,130 - (Pascale): Yes. 138 00:07:52,230 --> 00:07:53,940 But not the last. 139 00:07:54,040 --> 00:07:57,040 I remember anything that happened 2, 3 days before ... 140 00:07:59,570 --> 00:08:01,540 Before events. 141 00:08:03,540 --> 00:08:05,550 - Do you remember anything? 142 00:08:08,580 --> 00:08:09,780 - It's blurry. 143 00:08:13,490 --> 00:08:15,890 I see myself returning in a church. 144 00:08:18,090 --> 00:08:20,090 - (Michelle): Do you often go to church? 145 00:08:20,190 --> 00:08:21,200 - No, never. 146 00:08:22,260 --> 00:08:25,260 Except a few times when I was small, but no, I ... 147 00:08:26,400 --> 00:08:27,900 I don't particularly like The place. 148 00:08:28,900 --> 00:08:31,540 - (Michelle): Why go back, first? 149 00:08:33,540 --> 00:08:35,310 - To see the Virgin. 150 00:08:36,310 --> 00:08:38,450 "The mother of all humans", 151 00:08:38,550 --> 00:08:40,410 that's how it that my father calls him. 152 00:08:42,420 --> 00:08:45,220 - What Has the church happened? 153 00:08:48,960 --> 00:08:50,660 - (Pascale): The Virgin told me that ... 154 00:08:51,660 --> 00:08:54,230 that to purify yourself, You had to die first ... 155 00:08:56,300 --> 00:08:58,470 But let us would bring back to life. 156 00:09:00,470 --> 00:09:01,800 - (Michelle): Was she talking to you? 157 00:09:01,900 --> 00:09:03,240 - (Pascale): Yes, I ... 158 00:09:03,340 --> 00:09:05,070 I heard it in my head. 159 00:09:05,170 --> 00:09:06,840 - Didn't you find that strange? 160 00:09:06,940 --> 00:09:08,680 - (Willed voice): Not at this time. 161 00:09:10,710 --> 00:09:13,510 I know it doesn't make sense, What I say. 162 00:09:13,610 --> 00:09:16,610 But I ... I was sure May she save us! 163 00:09:20,350 --> 00:09:23,350 I never wanted hurt children. 164 00:09:24,960 --> 00:09:26,890 (tears) 165 00:09:26,990 --> 00:09:29,990 You have to believe me, I never have wanted to kill Henri or Madeleine! 166 00:09:33,670 --> 00:09:35,070 I swear. 167 00:09:44,580 --> 00:09:46,710 We all build ramparts at The interior of ourselves ... 168 00:09:46,710 --> 00:09:47,920 No! 169 00:09:47,920 --> 00:09:50,890 ... to hide things atrocious that we could commit. 170 00:09:50,890 --> 00:09:53,450 What do you remember? 171 00:09:53,450 --> 00:09:55,590 And sometimes these ramparts can be, 172 00:09:55,590 --> 00:09:57,590 even more stuffy than a prison. 173 00:09:57,590 --> 00:10:00,230 Harold! 174 00:10:00,230 --> 00:10:01,800 No, I don't want to. 175 00:10:01,800 --> 00:10:02,830 You don't regrow me! 176 00:10:02,830 --> 00:10:05,300 My friend and I descended the guy. 177 00:10:05,300 --> 00:10:08,300 ♪ 178 00:10:08,400 --> 00:10:11,400 (The narrator reads text on the screen) 179 00:10:15,480 --> 00:10:18,480 e that it was necessary that I do it. 180 00:10:19,810 --> 00:10:21,550 - (Claudia Roll): But why? 181 00:10:22,520 --> 00:10:24,350 -I have my reasons. 182 00:10:27,090 --> 00:10:29,460 - Explain to me how The Virgin was going to do it 183 00:10:29,560 --> 00:10:31,690 to bring back your children in life. 184 00:10:31,790 --> 00:10:34,160 - I told you sometimes. I don't know. 185 00:10:34,260 --> 00:10:35,830 But at that time, In the hospital, 186 00:10:35,930 --> 00:10:37,200 I was sure that she had succeeded 187 00:10:37,300 --> 00:10:38,670 Then that Henri was still alive. 188 00:10:38,770 --> 00:10:40,840 - Why do you have them Not talking to the investigator? 189 00:10:40,940 --> 00:10:43,940 - because she said he was dead. 190 00:10:44,270 --> 00:10:47,270 I didn't believe it, I thought that she was against me. 191 00:10:48,910 --> 00:10:50,210 - Against you? 192 00:10:50,310 --> 00:10:52,850 - I thought that Henri was saved. 193 00:10:52,950 --> 00:10:55,950 Then everyone who told me The opposite was against me. 194 00:11:00,250 --> 00:11:02,390 - Is this Virgin who asked you 195 00:11:02,490 --> 00:11:04,160 set fire At Shanny Létourneau? 196 00:11:04,260 --> 00:11:05,490 - (Michelle): Objection. 197 00:11:05,590 --> 00:11:08,360 The crown has never established the accused's intentions. 198 00:11:08,460 --> 00:11:10,000 - (Samuel): Did she tell you, 199 00:11:10,100 --> 00:11:13,030 When you promised with a full fuel can, 200 00:11:13,130 --> 00:11:16,130 angry, opposite the mistress of your husband, 201 00:11:16,640 --> 00:11:18,040 to set fire? 202 00:11:19,810 --> 00:11:21,040 - (Pascale): I told you, 203 00:11:21,140 --> 00:11:23,210 I don't remember, What happened that evening. 204 00:11:23,310 --> 00:11:25,750 - ok, but you remember, For example, 205 00:11:25,850 --> 00:11:26,950 that before going there, 206 00:11:27,050 --> 00:11:28,750 You were in a state of panic. 207 00:11:28,850 --> 00:11:30,120 - Yes. 208 00:11:30,220 --> 00:11:32,050 - What Were you panic? 209 00:11:32,150 --> 00:11:33,650 Jealousy? 210 00:11:36,060 --> 00:11:37,460 - Yes, maybe. 211 00:11:37,560 --> 00:11:38,590 - (Samuel): Maybe? 212 00:11:38,690 --> 00:11:40,230 You thought it Your husband was cheating on you 213 00:11:40,330 --> 00:11:41,430 with one of his clients, 214 00:11:41,530 --> 00:11:42,730 you did custody 215 00:11:42,830 --> 00:11:45,200 And you left in Auto to be clear. 216 00:11:45,300 --> 00:11:46,970 - Yes, because I was trouble. 217 00:11:47,070 --> 00:11:49,040 The next day, you confide to your colleague, enraged. 218 00:11:49,140 --> 00:11:50,770 - I was crying. - Yes, rage. 219 00:11:50,870 --> 00:11:53,840 You cry when you insulted Shanny Létourneau. 220 00:11:53,940 --> 00:11:56,140 That day, You contacted your ex, 221 00:11:56,240 --> 00:11:57,140 Also, to yell at him. 222 00:11:57,240 --> 00:11:58,450 Do you remember that? - Yes. 223 00:11:58,550 --> 00:12:00,110 - You were angry, I would even say in fury. 224 00:12:00,210 --> 00:12:01,120 - Yes, yes, I was angry ... 225 00:12:01,220 --> 00:12:02,250 - Is it that You remember ... 226 00:12:02,350 --> 00:12:03,620 - Objection! 227 00:12:03,720 --> 00:12:06,320 Could my colleague leave My client finish her sentences? 228 00:12:06,420 --> 00:12:08,560 - Me Simon, I haven't need to remember 229 00:12:08,660 --> 00:12:09,960 that in counter-examination, 230 00:12:10,060 --> 00:12:11,290 the opposing part Enjoy a latitude 231 00:12:11,390 --> 00:12:14,030 which you have fully enjoyed When it was your turn. 232 00:12:15,930 --> 00:12:16,930 Continue. 233 00:12:19,770 --> 00:12:20,970 - Do you remember 234 00:12:21,070 --> 00:12:23,770 messages you have sent to Shanny Létourneau? 235 00:12:23,870 --> 00:12:26,110 "You're the worst slut that I knew! " 236 00:12:26,210 --> 00:12:28,540 "You will burn in hell, my crisse! " 237 00:12:28,640 --> 00:12:31,480 There, there is no doubt, You were angry. 238 00:12:31,580 --> 00:12:32,610 - Yes, but ... 239 00:12:32,710 --> 00:12:34,320 - and you were in anger when you went 240 00:12:34,420 --> 00:12:36,980 See your ex to recover Children's passports. 241 00:12:37,080 --> 00:12:38,150 - Yes, ok, ok, I ... 242 00:12:39,190 --> 00:12:40,420 I was angry. 243 00:12:40,520 --> 00:12:42,620 - It's to take revenge on him 244 00:12:42,720 --> 00:12:45,720 that you poisoned Children, admit it. 245 00:12:47,730 --> 00:12:50,360 - No, it's not true. 246 00:12:50,460 --> 00:12:52,630 I regret so much ... 247 00:12:52,730 --> 00:12:55,070 - Yes, today, You regret it. 248 00:12:55,170 --> 00:12:57,240 But at the time, You were angry. 249 00:12:57,340 --> 00:12:58,740 Then that's it who motivated your gestures. 250 00:12:58,840 --> 00:13:00,670 That's why you crushed medication 251 00:13:00,780 --> 00:13:03,640 in the mortar then that You have prepared the muffins. 252 00:13:05,780 --> 00:13:07,250 - No, it's not true. 253 00:13:08,250 --> 00:13:09,650 (little laugh) 254 00:13:09,750 --> 00:13:11,050 - How can you say that? 255 00:13:11,150 --> 00:13:13,020 Do you you remember or not 256 00:13:13,120 --> 00:13:15,590 of what was Passed that morning? 257 00:13:19,560 --> 00:13:20,960 - I don't remember. 258 00:13:23,400 --> 00:13:24,830 - I have no other questions. 259 00:13:28,870 --> 00:13:31,140 - (Michelle): I expected Let him get into it. 260 00:13:31,240 --> 00:13:32,740 But like that? 261 00:13:32,840 --> 00:13:35,210 Your testimony Tomorrow must be concrete. 262 00:13:35,310 --> 00:13:37,340 - To be really concrete, 263 00:13:37,440 --> 00:13:39,410 It takes me proof family history 264 00:13:39,510 --> 00:13:41,020 mental illness. 265 00:13:41,120 --> 00:13:43,850 Where are we With the biological father? 266 00:13:45,520 --> 00:13:47,760 - As long as he is inside, I can do nothing. 267 00:13:47,860 --> 00:13:49,920 - I did a request for direct debit. 268 00:13:50,020 --> 00:13:52,060 His lawyer refused it, obviously. 269 00:13:52,160 --> 00:13:53,930 There are roughly No legal means 270 00:13:54,030 --> 00:13:56,460 To force someone to give his DNA. 271 00:13:59,370 --> 00:14:02,000 Apart from if Isabelle Porte complaint against Stéphane Roger, 272 00:14:02,100 --> 00:14:03,770 His attacker. 273 00:14:03,870 --> 00:14:05,040 - Minute, there. 274 00:14:05,140 --> 00:14:06,270 - If the police have a complaint, 275 00:14:06,370 --> 00:14:09,210 She will take a sample Then we're going to be fixed! 276 00:14:09,310 --> 00:14:11,010 - Excellent, but it's Just a first step. 277 00:14:11,110 --> 00:14:13,010 Afterwards, you have to know if suffers from a mental illness. 278 00:14:13,110 --> 00:14:16,110 - If it's the organic father, I will have Access to his medical file. 279 00:14:16,220 --> 00:14:17,520 - Hey, woh, there! 280 00:14:18,890 --> 00:14:21,890 Woh! There is no question of twist an arm to a victim. 281 00:14:21,990 --> 00:14:23,390 Even if it is To save your client. 282 00:14:23,490 --> 00:14:24,690 - We just talk To ask him ... 283 00:14:24,790 --> 00:14:26,190 - If she had wanted to file a complaint, 284 00:14:26,290 --> 00:14:27,630 She would have it has long been! 285 00:14:27,730 --> 00:14:29,300 - The context has changed! 286 00:14:29,400 --> 00:14:32,170 - We can explain to him The stakes and see if ... 287 00:14:32,270 --> 00:14:34,200 - No, that's what I said: twist an arm. 288 00:14:34,300 --> 00:14:35,200 No, no. 289 00:14:35,300 --> 00:14:37,470 Sorry, boss. I resign. 290 00:14:37,570 --> 00:14:38,470 - Eh? 291 00:14:38,570 --> 00:14:39,470 - Ciao, bye! 292 00:14:39,570 --> 00:14:40,980 (sneer from Michelle) 293 00:14:41,080 --> 00:14:42,480 - Is he serious, there? 294 00:14:43,740 --> 00:14:44,950 - (in a low voice): Wait! 295 00:14:48,080 --> 00:14:49,150 Don't come and make me believe 296 00:14:49,250 --> 00:14:50,890 that after 35 years valiant services, 297 00:14:50,990 --> 00:14:53,490 You never twisted an arm to a witness or a victim 298 00:14:53,590 --> 00:14:55,620 To wedge an accused. 299 00:14:55,720 --> 00:14:58,430 Two weights, two measurements. As always! 300 00:14:58,530 --> 00:14:59,690 Your... 301 00:15:01,430 --> 00:15:03,760 You don't stop saying that le plus important pour toi, 302 00:15:03,860 --> 00:15:05,030 It is the search for truth. 303 00:15:05,130 --> 00:15:06,130 I understand now 304 00:15:06,230 --> 00:15:08,400 that as long as the truth confirms yours, 305 00:15:08,500 --> 00:15:09,470 Everything is beautiful, huh? 306 00:15:09,570 --> 00:15:11,110 Otherwise, Ciao, bye! 307 00:15:11,210 --> 00:15:13,740 It's not principles What you have, it's biases! 308 00:15:15,340 --> 00:15:17,080 - There is a victim sexual assault 309 00:15:17,180 --> 00:15:19,810 who clearly asked me to cry patience! 310 00:15:19,910 --> 00:15:22,280 What do you call it "biases" or "principles", 311 00:15:22,380 --> 00:15:23,680 I hug it. 312 00:15:23,780 --> 00:15:25,620 I will not move on it. 313 00:15:32,130 --> 00:15:35,030 I know you need this Proof there for your diagnosis ... 314 00:15:35,130 --> 00:15:36,300 - But no, not at all. 315 00:15:37,300 --> 00:15:38,370 I have enough elements 316 00:15:38,470 --> 00:15:40,730 to conclude that she was in psychosis. 317 00:15:42,270 --> 00:15:43,800 The genetic factor, 318 00:15:43,900 --> 00:15:46,310 it is the approval who always impresses a jury. 319 00:15:46,410 --> 00:15:48,180 If the father suffered mental illness, 320 00:15:48,280 --> 00:15:50,980 It is more likely that The girl also suffers. 321 00:15:52,480 --> 00:15:55,320 I find it unfair that Pascale is imprisoned for life 322 00:15:55,420 --> 00:15:57,280 Because she's sick. 323 00:15:59,950 --> 00:16:02,950 - Your only responsibility to you, It's to do your best. 324 00:16:04,590 --> 00:16:06,060 It's not to save her. 325 00:16:10,100 --> 00:16:11,470 - Then you, until now, 326 00:16:11,570 --> 00:16:13,430 Do you have Do your best? 327 00:16:17,570 --> 00:16:18,770 That's what I thought. 328 00:16:19,810 --> 00:16:20,810 (not moving away) 329 00:16:22,140 --> 00:16:23,580 - (madeleine): At the rescue! 330 00:16:25,010 --> 00:16:26,410 Super joke! 331 00:16:26,510 --> 00:16:29,320 What is a tomato said when she gets crushed? 332 00:16:29,420 --> 00:16:30,820 "Ketchup!" 333 00:16:30,920 --> 00:16:32,190 (little laugh of Jean-Philippe) 334 00:16:33,320 --> 00:16:34,490 - What are you doing? 335 00:16:35,790 --> 00:16:37,520 - I repeat my Mom show 336 00:16:37,620 --> 00:16:39,090 When she goes out of prison. 337 00:16:39,190 --> 00:16:41,600 I am a superheroin! 338 00:16:41,700 --> 00:16:44,260 - Oh yes? What is his name? 339 00:16:44,370 --> 00:16:47,370 - Euphoria. She has power to make people happy. 340 00:16:47,940 --> 00:16:50,000 Do you find it good as power? 341 00:16:51,010 --> 00:16:52,140 (little laugh) 342 00:16:52,240 --> 00:16:53,770 - (Willed voice): Yes. 343 00:16:53,870 --> 00:16:56,840 It is ... it is Super good as power. 344 00:16:58,850 --> 00:17:00,180 (Mâtre intertwined) 345 00:17:04,790 --> 00:17:06,690 - (Lombardi judge): I call at the bar 346 00:17:06,790 --> 00:17:08,390 The Dre Éliane Sirois. 347 00:17:17,930 --> 00:17:19,730 - (Éliane): First, you have to take into account 348 00:17:19,830 --> 00:17:21,400 that Pascale was adopted. 349 00:17:21,500 --> 00:17:24,140 It created at She trauma. 350 00:17:24,240 --> 00:17:27,240 For fear of being abandoned, She clings to her relationships. 351 00:17:28,580 --> 00:17:30,980 Starting with his relationship With his adoptive mother, 352 00:17:31,080 --> 00:17:34,080 that I qualify of "fusional". 353 00:17:34,180 --> 00:17:36,580 Pascale also suffers of an emotional dependence, 354 00:17:36,680 --> 00:17:39,680 anxiety separation from his lovers. 355 00:17:40,420 --> 00:17:42,720 In the hope of maintaining His couple with Jean-Philippe, 356 00:17:42,820 --> 00:17:45,160 A "perfect" man in his eyes, 357 00:17:45,260 --> 00:17:48,260 Pascale tries to control her anxiety by repressing her. 358 00:17:49,600 --> 00:17:50,630 The strategy works. 359 00:17:50,730 --> 00:17:51,900 For the first time in his life, 360 00:17:52,000 --> 00:17:54,800 She takes advantage of a lasting relationship. 361 00:17:54,900 --> 00:17:56,640 In his fear to express your emotions, 362 00:17:56,740 --> 00:17:58,570 Pascale folds up on herself 363 00:17:58,670 --> 00:18:00,770 and dive into deep distress. 364 00:18:00,870 --> 00:18:03,110 And his first ideas suicidal appear. 365 00:18:03,210 --> 00:18:05,980 Pascale has only one goal: fall back pregnant. 366 00:18:06,080 --> 00:18:08,120 It becomes quickly obsessive. 367 00:18:08,220 --> 00:18:10,580 Like a drug addict looking his dose to freeze his emotions, 368 00:18:10,680 --> 00:18:13,680 Pascale wants to relive This euphoria of pregnancy. 369 00:18:14,390 --> 00:18:16,290 But failure in failure, 370 00:18:16,390 --> 00:18:18,760 His relationship with His spouse is deteriorating. 371 00:18:18,860 --> 00:18:21,500 Already very unstable, 372 00:18:21,600 --> 00:18:24,600 Pascale falls in shock When her spouse leaves her. 373 00:18:25,400 --> 00:18:28,400 Pascale realizes that she is pregnant, 374 00:18:28,570 --> 00:18:30,300 Then make a miscarriage. 375 00:18:30,400 --> 00:18:33,400 Debalancing Hormonal is then total. 376 00:18:33,510 --> 00:18:34,480 When she learns 377 00:18:34,580 --> 00:18:36,510 that the supposed mistress by Jean-Philippe 378 00:18:36,610 --> 00:18:37,980 has an onlyfame account, 379 00:18:38,080 --> 00:18:39,950 delusional ideas are active. 380 00:18:40,050 --> 00:18:41,650 They imagine that her children 381 00:18:41,750 --> 00:18:44,450 are threatened sexual exploitation. 382 00:18:44,550 --> 00:18:46,650 She thinks everything First save your children 383 00:18:46,750 --> 00:18:48,560 By bringing them to the Vatican. 384 00:18:48,660 --> 00:18:50,590 When this plan fails, 385 00:18:50,690 --> 00:18:53,690 deepest his depressed psychosis, 386 00:18:53,790 --> 00:18:56,790 Pascale still sees Once a way out: death. 387 00:18:58,100 --> 00:19:00,330 In psychosis, Nothing makes sense anymore. 388 00:19:00,430 --> 00:19:03,340 It's clean of this mental illness. 389 00:19:03,440 --> 00:19:06,440 The woman that You have seen testify 390 00:19:06,640 --> 00:19:09,640 is a woman under medication delirious 391 00:19:10,510 --> 00:19:13,510 and whose depression is under control. 392 00:19:13,750 --> 00:19:16,180 It is not the woman I met 393 00:19:16,280 --> 00:19:18,320 in the hours that followed the events 394 00:19:18,420 --> 00:19:21,420 nor the one you saw in The screen in his hospital bed. 395 00:19:23,660 --> 00:19:26,660 This woman was in psychotic depression 396 00:19:27,560 --> 00:19:30,560 With delusional ideas. 397 00:19:32,000 --> 00:19:34,100 - Thank you very much, Dr. Sirois. 398 00:19:36,500 --> 00:19:39,440 - Master, before you let it out, 399 00:19:39,540 --> 00:19:41,640 I think we're going to do A well -deserved break. 400 00:19:42,680 --> 00:19:43,880 - (Man): Everyone standing. 401 00:19:49,520 --> 00:19:51,620 (flush) 402 00:19:58,030 --> 00:19:59,890 - My ex also has Make a miscarriage, 403 00:19:59,990 --> 00:20:01,900 But she didn't kill Our daughter. 404 00:20:03,360 --> 00:20:04,730 - You have no business here. 405 00:20:04,830 --> 00:20:07,470 - You, in substance, the truth, Are you carying, huh? 406 00:20:07,570 --> 00:20:09,040 You are paid by La Défense, 407 00:20:09,140 --> 00:20:11,340 make you say what Defense wants you to say. 408 00:20:12,670 --> 00:20:13,970 - No, it's Not quite that ... 409 00:20:14,070 --> 00:20:15,340 - Shut up! 410 00:20:17,140 --> 00:20:19,210 Do you have children? 411 00:20:22,880 --> 00:20:24,550 Seemed to me, too. 412 00:20:27,890 --> 00:20:30,190 You don't know what is, lose a child. 413 00:20:31,590 --> 00:20:33,630 Jean-Philippe, he lost Henri. 414 00:20:33,730 --> 00:20:36,730 Henri died while choking In his vomit, Tabarnac! 415 00:20:37,360 --> 00:20:38,830 Then you defend it! 416 00:20:40,400 --> 00:20:42,870 Sti of rotten! 417 00:20:45,440 --> 00:20:46,670 (door opening) 418 00:20:50,480 --> 00:20:51,910 (Engine roar) 419 00:20:51,910 --> 00:20:53,580 They wanted stand out Quebec. 420 00:20:53,580 --> 00:20:55,550 They wanted us to have A product just for us. 421 00:20:55,550 --> 00:20:57,720 (Dramatic music) 422 00:20:57,720 --> 00:20:59,320 There is only at Quebec that we can 423 00:20:59,320 --> 00:21:02,190 really create a car that is different. 424 00:21:02,190 --> 00:21:03,760 (Tire screech) 425 00:21:03,760 --> 00:21:05,430 The most beautiful era it was obviously 426 00:21:05,430 --> 00:21:06,690 With the new factory. 427 00:21:06,690 --> 00:21:08,860 To think that we was so close. 428 00:21:08,860 --> 00:21:10,660 ♪ 429 00:21:10,660 --> 00:21:13,570 The potential was There, the will was l. 430 00:21:13,570 --> 00:21:14,870 We would have flooded Canada. 431 00:21:14,870 --> 00:21:17,870 (The narrator reads text on the screen) 432 00:21:21,910 --> 00:21:24,110 T-speaker): dre Sirois is requested, room 1.28. 433 00:21:24,210 --> 00:21:26,210 (murmurs) 434 00:21:41,860 --> 00:21:43,360 - Sorry. 435 00:21:49,370 --> 00:21:51,270 - (Samuel): You said Pascale 436 00:21:51,370 --> 00:21:53,640 was in psychosis When you met her. 437 00:21:53,740 --> 00:21:55,010 - (Éliane): Yes. 438 00:21:55,110 --> 00:21:56,480 - (Samuel): Have you met her 439 00:21:56,580 --> 00:21:58,550 Before events? 440 00:21:58,650 --> 00:21:59,880 - No, I ... 441 00:21:59,980 --> 00:22:01,520 - So how You can say 442 00:22:01,620 --> 00:22:03,980 that she was in psychosis During events? 443 00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:05,950 - Depending on what Pascale told me. 444 00:22:06,050 --> 00:22:08,460 - ok, you are based on What Pascale told you 445 00:22:08,560 --> 00:22:10,220 To say that she Was psychosis? 446 00:22:10,320 --> 00:22:12,460 - I also met his father. 447 00:22:12,560 --> 00:22:14,460 - But it's Pascale that provides you 448 00:22:14,560 --> 00:22:16,330 most of the information, right? 449 00:22:16,430 --> 00:22:18,800 - Yes, but hey, I ... 450 00:22:18,900 --> 00:22:20,470 I consider Pascale in good faith. 451 00:22:20,570 --> 00:22:22,800 - Hmm! That will be the jury to decide. 452 00:22:22,900 --> 00:22:24,740 - Objection. Argumentative. 453 00:22:24,840 --> 00:22:27,670 -(judge): master, hold on to ask questions. 454 00:22:29,340 --> 00:22:31,450 - In your opinion, In what state was Pascale 455 00:22:31,550 --> 00:22:34,010 When she texts the messages hateful to Shanny Létourneau? 456 00:22:34,110 --> 00:22:37,080 - She was in depression deep, began to delirious. 457 00:22:37,180 --> 00:22:38,590 - Ok, I'll stop you Immediately, sorry. 458 00:22:38,690 --> 00:22:40,850 Pascale told us that she started to hear the Virgin 459 00:22:40,950 --> 00:22:43,950 After having sent hate messages. 460 00:22:47,260 --> 00:22:50,260 - According to my notes, she was presented at the church, uh, 461 00:22:50,900 --> 00:22:52,030 The first time ... 462 00:22:52,130 --> 00:22:53,400 - It's normal that we are mixed. 463 00:22:53,500 --> 00:22:55,540 Pascale herself admits that It is a little vague period. 464 00:22:55,640 --> 00:22:58,270 - Me Pépin-Tremblay. 465 00:22:59,270 --> 00:23:00,210 - So, based 466 00:23:00,310 --> 00:23:02,280 on testimony a bit vague of Pascale, 467 00:23:02,380 --> 00:23:03,610 do you think she was delighted 468 00:23:03,710 --> 00:23:05,850 When she threatened His ex-spouse 469 00:23:05,950 --> 00:23:07,750 to withdraw him Children's guard? 470 00:23:07,850 --> 00:23:09,850 - That's to say... 471 00:23:09,950 --> 00:23:12,350 - In any case, she was in Anger, really angry. 472 00:23:12,450 --> 00:23:13,950 Is it possible 473 00:23:14,050 --> 00:23:15,990 that Pascale has forged a story 474 00:23:16,090 --> 00:23:18,530 To explain his gesture after Having poisoned children? 475 00:23:18,630 --> 00:23:20,760 Is it possible that she invented 476 00:23:20,860 --> 00:23:22,760 The history of religious delirium To guilty? 477 00:23:22,860 --> 00:23:25,070 That his mind is always protecting it? 478 00:23:25,170 --> 00:23:27,070 - No, I evaluate that His psychosis started 479 00:23:27,170 --> 00:23:28,140 Long before his arrest. 480 00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:29,870 - What other proof You have to say that, 481 00:23:29,970 --> 00:23:31,770 Apart from Testimony of Pascale? 482 00:23:31,870 --> 00:23:33,240 - witnesses heard him say 483 00:23:33,340 --> 00:23:36,140 The words "succubus" and "demon". 484 00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:38,710 - So your conclusion is based on 2 words 485 00:23:38,810 --> 00:23:41,050 said in a state anger, right? 486 00:23:41,150 --> 00:23:42,050 - Not just that. 487 00:23:42,150 --> 00:23:44,320 Listen, I spent hours ... 488 00:23:44,420 --> 00:23:46,190 - Thank you so much. - ... with Pascale ... 489 00:23:46,290 --> 00:23:48,260 - Thank you, Dr. Sirois. I have no other questions. 490 00:23:48,360 --> 00:23:50,920 (murmurs) 491 00:23:58,700 --> 00:24:00,700 (Brouhaha in the distance) 492 00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:06,010 - Leave that there. 493 00:24:06,110 --> 00:24:07,610 Are you going. 494 00:24:09,510 --> 00:24:11,680 (electric unlocking in gourmet) 495 00:24:19,950 --> 00:24:21,620 - (Dr Girard): The accused told me 496 00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:23,560 of no religious delirium. 497 00:24:23,660 --> 00:24:24,890 - Does she was aware 498 00:24:24,990 --> 00:24:26,530 that she killed her child? 499 00:24:26,630 --> 00:24:27,830 - I asked him If she understood 500 00:24:27,930 --> 00:24:29,260 that his son was dead. 501 00:24:29,360 --> 00:24:30,960 She replied yes. 502 00:24:31,060 --> 00:24:33,470 In general, his answers were rather short, 503 00:24:33,570 --> 00:24:35,500 I would say expeditious. 504 00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:37,800 - Do you has spoken of his ex-spouse? 505 00:24:37,900 --> 00:24:39,710 - Yes, there she was much more eloquent. 506 00:24:39,810 --> 00:24:42,810 She described it as "pervert", of "fornator", ... 507 00:24:43,740 --> 00:24:45,780 Wait, I have that here. Of "depraved". 508 00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:48,010 She expressed a lot of anger towards him, 509 00:24:48,110 --> 00:24:49,650 But also towards his mistress. 510 00:24:49,750 --> 00:24:52,220 - Does she have Used the word "succubus"? 511 00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:54,350 - (Dr Girard): Yes, once. 512 00:24:54,450 --> 00:24:55,790 - (Samuel): Didn't that marked you? 513 00:24:55,890 --> 00:24:58,890 - Not at all, no. Madame has a certain education. 514 00:24:59,090 --> 00:25:01,230 She used a anthology of insults: 515 00:25:01,330 --> 00:25:04,330 "Connut, trail, cod" ... 516 00:25:05,500 --> 00:25:06,500 - Thank you very much, Dr. Girard. 517 00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:09,600 So you think Does the accused suffer 518 00:25:10,270 --> 00:25:12,340 any mental illness? 519 00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:14,910 - In any case, she suffers of severe depression. 520 00:25:15,010 --> 00:25:18,010 But I didn't find any traces of psychosis or delirium. 521 00:25:19,950 --> 00:25:21,350 I consider, for my part, 522 00:25:21,450 --> 00:25:23,750 that she suffers a narcissistic disorder. 523 00:25:23,850 --> 00:25:26,090 - What are you leads to this conclusion? 524 00:25:26,190 --> 00:25:29,190 - The accused still tried to poison his 2 children, 525 00:25:30,090 --> 00:25:31,390 one of which is dead. 526 00:25:31,490 --> 00:25:33,990 And then she has manifested no remorse. 527 00:25:34,090 --> 00:25:36,760 In fact, his speech was mainly centered 528 00:25:36,860 --> 00:25:39,630 on his pain surrounding his separation. 529 00:25:39,730 --> 00:25:41,900 It's 2 powerful Narcissism indicators. 530 00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:43,900 - (Samuel): Hmm, hum! 531 00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:46,740 You attended the Testimony of the Sirois DRE. 532 00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:48,110 - Yes, I heard. 533 00:25:48,210 --> 00:25:49,980 - Why don't you have Not the same diagnosis? 534 00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:52,010 - The Sirois dre and I, 535 00:25:52,110 --> 00:25:53,880 We have been colleagues since many years, 536 00:25:53,980 --> 00:25:56,220 But we don't have The same approach. 537 00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:58,080 - (Samuel): That's to say? 538 00:25:58,180 --> 00:26:00,250 - (Dr Girard): I think she is investing 539 00:26:00,350 --> 00:26:02,620 Too much with his patients 540 00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:05,720 And she can sometimes lose your objectivity. 541 00:26:06,730 --> 00:26:08,760 - (Samuel): Thank you very much, Dr. Girard. 542 00:26:08,860 --> 00:26:09,930 I have no other questions. 543 00:26:10,030 --> 00:26:12,030 (murmurs) 544 00:26:15,170 --> 00:26:16,400 - Simon? 545 00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:19,140 - Éliane. 546 00:26:20,570 --> 00:26:23,240 - What do you arrive at same conclusions, okay. 547 00:26:23,340 --> 00:26:26,340 But what do you attack my practice, This is mean and small. 548 00:26:26,510 --> 00:26:28,420 - Listen, I was asked the question. 549 00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:30,380 I swore to tell the truth. 550 00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:32,420 I'm sorry that You take this personal. 551 00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:34,020 - but it Personal attack. 552 00:26:34,120 --> 00:26:35,390 In the middle of the court, in addition! 553 00:26:35,490 --> 00:26:37,660 - Do you see? You're still too invested. 554 00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:39,760 You should get rid of of this habit. 555 00:26:39,860 --> 00:26:41,930 You will end up ruin your reputation. 556 00:26:44,660 --> 00:26:46,100 - (whispering): Fuck you! 557 00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:57,380 - You should have what he It takes for a DNA test. 558 00:26:58,950 --> 00:27:00,610 - Thank you very much, Gilles. 559 00:27:00,710 --> 00:27:02,750 Do you have the other case What did I ask you? 560 00:27:02,850 --> 00:27:04,720 - It's good because that you are a boyfriend. 561 00:27:05,850 --> 00:27:07,820 Stéphane Roger takes Just a medication. 562 00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:09,820 For its pressure, that's it. 563 00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:11,260 No nerves pills, 564 00:27:11,360 --> 00:27:13,590 to sleep or Because he is depressed. 565 00:27:13,690 --> 00:27:15,860 There is nothing that says that he has a mental illness. 566 00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:18,330 In any case, he never has met of psychiatrist. 567 00:27:18,430 --> 00:27:19,770 (clapping) 568 00:27:19,870 --> 00:27:21,100 (blows to the door) 569 00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:22,140 (door opening) 570 00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:23,640 - (Boisvert): We will know it by tomorrow 571 00:27:23,740 --> 00:27:25,610 If Stéphane Roger, He's the father. 572 00:27:25,710 --> 00:27:26,840 -Yes! 573 00:27:26,940 --> 00:27:28,640 - The case is that Even if it is him, the father, 574 00:27:28,740 --> 00:27:30,980 He never suffered of no mental illness. 575 00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:33,880 - Make that if it's not him, It means that ... 576 00:27:33,980 --> 00:27:34,880 - How is Isabelle. 577 00:27:34,980 --> 00:27:36,120 - Yeah, but She didn't tell you 578 00:27:36,220 --> 00:27:37,720 that she has none mental health disorder? 579 00:27:37,820 --> 00:27:40,820 - Yes, but ... I think he should go back to see her. 580 00:27:59,340 --> 00:28:01,040 - Ms. Martineau? 581 00:28:01,140 --> 00:28:02,440 - Good morning. 582 00:28:04,410 --> 00:28:06,250 - Is this your little child? 583 00:28:06,350 --> 00:28:07,810 - I have two. 584 00:28:07,910 --> 00:28:09,150 (Little laughs) 585 00:28:10,250 --> 00:28:12,090 What do you want me Again? 586 00:28:13,150 --> 00:28:14,920 - In fact, you have three. 587 00:28:15,020 --> 00:28:18,020 Pascale also has a 7 year old girl, Madeleine. 588 00:28:18,360 --> 00:28:20,290 She would really have Need your help. 589 00:28:20,390 --> 00:28:22,200 - We know that You can help him. 590 00:28:22,300 --> 00:28:25,300 - Otherwise, she may not Never again be able to see her again. 591 00:28:28,370 --> 00:28:29,670 - three weeks After giving birth, 592 00:28:29,770 --> 00:28:31,840 I returned to the hospital. 593 00:28:31,940 --> 00:28:34,210 I was diagnosed A bipolar disorder. 594 00:28:34,310 --> 00:28:36,110 I was interned for a month. 595 00:28:37,210 --> 00:28:39,610 You really think that Can it help him if I testify? 596 00:28:39,710 --> 00:28:40,710 - Absolutely. 597 00:28:40,810 --> 00:28:42,820 - We can not guarantee anything, For example. 598 00:28:44,180 --> 00:28:46,690 - I can't do that Without talking to my husband. 599 00:28:46,790 --> 00:28:48,520 - We understand. 600 00:28:48,620 --> 00:28:51,390 - It's a lot ask in a short time. 601 00:28:51,490 --> 00:28:54,490 - You may not be forced to come in person. 602 00:28:55,300 --> 00:28:58,200 The crown could accept your declaration in writing. 603 00:29:00,370 --> 00:29:02,240 - (Michelle): Let's see! 604 00:29:02,340 --> 00:29:03,440 I don't ask you for the moon. 605 00:29:03,540 --> 00:29:05,270 - But I have the right to Contact the witness. 606 00:29:05,370 --> 00:29:06,370 - Why do it? 607 00:29:06,470 --> 00:29:07,570 Everything you want, 608 00:29:07,670 --> 00:29:09,640 is to prove the genetic link of the disease. 609 00:29:09,740 --> 00:29:11,880 - She saw Pascale some weeks before events. 610 00:29:11,980 --> 00:29:13,280 - If she testifies, 611 00:29:13,380 --> 00:29:15,550 She will come and say how Pascale was pity 612 00:29:15,650 --> 00:29:18,450 When she announced to him The way it was designed. 613 00:29:20,250 --> 00:29:23,220 - You blush. She will not come. 614 00:29:24,990 --> 00:29:27,260 I don't admit her written declaration. 615 00:29:28,430 --> 00:29:29,430 (sigh) 616 00:29:31,460 --> 00:29:33,170 (door opening) 617 00:29:33,270 --> 00:29:34,570 (murmurs) 618 00:29:46,510 --> 00:29:47,610 - (Lombardi judge): Okay, Me Simon. 619 00:29:47,710 --> 00:29:49,450 I don't know what request You want to present, 620 00:29:49,550 --> 00:29:50,720 But we have waited enough. 621 00:29:51,750 --> 00:29:53,720 Let the jury come in. 622 00:29:55,890 --> 00:29:56,890 (door opening) 623 00:30:01,590 --> 00:30:03,060 (murmurs) 624 00:30:06,370 --> 00:30:08,130 - (Michelle): Before bringing the jury, 625 00:30:08,230 --> 00:30:10,170 I have a request. 626 00:30:10,270 --> 00:30:12,470 I would like to present A last witness. 627 00:30:12,570 --> 00:30:14,170 Isabelle Martineau. 628 00:30:14,270 --> 00:30:16,810 - My colleague will not need. 629 00:30:16,910 --> 00:30:19,580 The crown accepts The written declaration 630 00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:21,310 of his witness. 631 00:30:21,410 --> 00:30:23,880 - (Michelle): But I would still like 632 00:30:23,980 --> 00:30:26,980 make heard - or rather Repeat - the Sirois dre. 633 00:30:31,930 --> 00:30:33,890 - It's time-- 634 00:30:33,890 --> 00:30:34,990 (Phone ringtone) 635 00:30:34,990 --> 00:30:36,000 -You asked the police, 636 00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:37,200 what can I do for you ? 637 00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:38,200 - You know what makes you truly dangerous 638 00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:39,200 For others? 639 00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:40,400 You think you believe hard as iron 640 00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:42,140 that you act for their property. 641 00:30:42,140 --> 00:30:43,800 What will it be In 30 years Jimmy? 642 00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:46,800 Do we have a problem? I don't understand. 643 00:30:46,970 --> 00:30:49,880 That we go to warn his mother. 644 00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:52,880 (Tears) 645 00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:56,320 ♪ 646 00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:59,320 (The narrator reads text on the screen) 647 00:31:03,420 --> 00:31:06,060 e): therefore, ♪ not only the biological mother 648 00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:09,160 suffers from a bipolar disorder, But just like Pascale Dubé, 649 00:31:09,700 --> 00:31:12,270 She too did Postpartum depression. 650 00:31:12,370 --> 00:31:15,370 This genetic link is The last pice of the puzzle 651 00:31:16,700 --> 00:31:19,070 who confirms me Without the shadow of a doubt 652 00:31:19,170 --> 00:31:20,810 that Pascale was in psychosis 653 00:31:20,910 --> 00:31:23,040 when she committed his gesture. 654 00:31:23,140 --> 00:31:24,180 (murmurs) 655 00:31:25,180 --> 00:31:27,010 - Would you like Add something else? 656 00:31:27,110 --> 00:31:29,120 - Yes, hum ... 657 00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:33,720 My estimated colleague claims that I lose my objectivity 658 00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:38,160 Because I invest Too much with my patients. 659 00:31:38,260 --> 00:31:40,290 He is mistaken. 660 00:31:41,530 --> 00:31:44,260 Yes, I mocked myself in front Stories and dramas 661 00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:46,200 people with whom I go into a helping relationship. 662 00:31:46,300 --> 00:31:48,670 It sometimes touches me Even in tears. 663 00:31:48,770 --> 00:31:50,600 I am human. 664 00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:54,070 Just like you and Just like my patients. 665 00:31:56,910 --> 00:31:59,910 My approach allows me to weave Bonds of trust with them. 666 00:32:01,750 --> 00:32:03,880 And in return, they open to me 667 00:32:03,980 --> 00:32:06,980 and give me access to this that happens in their heads. 668 00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:09,890 This is the only way to help them. 669 00:32:10,860 --> 00:32:13,860 And for me, it's the only one way of exercising my profession. 670 00:32:16,430 --> 00:32:17,630 (murmurs) 671 00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:25,040 - No matter what Dr. Girard thinks, 672 00:32:25,140 --> 00:32:28,040 the terms "Succube" and "Demon" 673 00:32:28,140 --> 00:32:31,140 were not part of the Usual vocabulary of Pascale. 674 00:32:32,780 --> 00:32:33,910 It was so strange 675 00:32:34,010 --> 00:32:36,950 that his ex-spouse said she was "crazy". 676 00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:41,120 "Crazy" because he had Never seen in such a state. 677 00:32:41,650 --> 00:32:44,420 "Crazy" because Pascale was indeed 678 00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:46,790 In full psychotic delirium. 679 00:32:48,290 --> 00:32:49,830 - It is up to the defense to prove 680 00:32:49,930 --> 00:32:52,230 that Pascale was not able to distinguish good from evil 681 00:32:52,330 --> 00:32:54,270 When she committed her gesture. 682 00:32:54,370 --> 00:32:56,870 Everything that defense has to offer you as proof, 683 00:32:56,970 --> 00:32:59,970 It's 2 words: "Succube" and "Demon". 684 00:33:00,710 --> 00:33:02,380 It's slim. 685 00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:05,410 - Henri ate Half of the 3rd muffin. 686 00:33:05,510 --> 00:33:07,480 He was not intended for him. 687 00:33:07,580 --> 00:33:09,220 He was for Pascale. 688 00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:11,350 She wanted to die with her children 689 00:33:11,450 --> 00:33:13,750 in the hope completely delusional 690 00:33:13,850 --> 00:33:15,960 that the Virgin come to resuscitate them 691 00:33:16,060 --> 00:33:18,090 By serving evil that they had in them. 692 00:33:18,190 --> 00:33:19,730 -(Samuel): The day before events, 693 00:33:19,830 --> 00:33:21,390 The accused was completely normal. 694 00:33:21,490 --> 00:33:22,730 The next morning, 695 00:33:22,830 --> 00:33:24,130 She crushes pills in a mortar 696 00:33:24,230 --> 00:33:25,630 Then she prepares muffins. 697 00:33:25,730 --> 00:33:26,970 When children refuse 698 00:33:27,070 --> 00:33:30,070 to eat the poison that she cooked them, she gets angry. 699 00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:32,770 She knocks on the counter Then she shouts at them to eat. 700 00:33:32,870 --> 00:33:34,910 She is angry. 701 00:33:35,010 --> 00:33:37,540 It's not the disease, the theme recurrent of this story. 702 00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:39,380 It's anger. 703 00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:41,180 - Of course she was angry. 704 00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:44,280 She thought her children were in danger. 705 00:33:44,650 --> 00:33:47,390 That we were going to exploit sexually. 706 00:33:47,490 --> 00:33:49,590 What mother does Wouldn't be angry? 707 00:33:49,690 --> 00:33:52,690 But Madeleine said that Pascale was sad, 708 00:33:52,990 --> 00:33:54,560 The morning of the drama. 709 00:33:54,660 --> 00:33:57,500 She even tightened her girl in her very strong arms 710 00:33:57,600 --> 00:33:59,700 by shedding tears. 711 00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:01,230 She was a desperate woman. 712 00:34:01,330 --> 00:34:03,240 - If Pascale has tightened His daughter in his arms 713 00:34:03,340 --> 00:34:04,500 just before poisoning it, 714 00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:07,070 It is because she knew Very well what she was doing. 715 00:34:07,170 --> 00:34:09,110 It was a last farewell. 716 00:34:09,210 --> 00:34:12,210 - Is it logical to kill Her children to save them? 717 00:34:14,650 --> 00:34:15,850 Of course not. 718 00:34:15,950 --> 00:34:18,350 Testimony and report of the Sirois Dr., 719 00:34:18,450 --> 00:34:21,450 a summary in his field, are clear and precise. 720 00:34:23,260 --> 00:34:26,260 Pascale, a loving mother, "The best mother in the world", 721 00:34:28,260 --> 00:34:31,260 tilted in A psychotic delirium. 722 00:34:32,630 --> 00:34:35,540 - Is it revenge, anger, 723 00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:37,640 despair Who motivated Pascale? 724 00:34:37,740 --> 00:34:38,970 Never mind. 725 00:34:39,070 --> 00:34:41,010 The important thing is that she knew very well what she did 726 00:34:41,110 --> 00:34:42,410 By poisoning his children. 727 00:34:42,510 --> 00:34:45,450 - All points in One direction. 728 00:34:45,550 --> 00:34:48,550 Mental disease prevented Pascale of all discernment. 729 00:34:51,050 --> 00:34:54,050 It is the disease that is Responsible for tragedy. 730 00:34:55,660 --> 00:34:57,220 And she alone. 731 00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:04,900 (cell vibration) 732 00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:06,230 (murmurs) 733 00:35:11,100 --> 00:35:13,640 - (Isabelle): Are you sure it is him? 734 00:35:13,740 --> 00:35:15,910 - the results are very reliable. 735 00:35:16,010 --> 00:35:17,640 But the police go removal 736 00:35:17,740 --> 00:35:19,380 As part of his investigation. 737 00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:21,910 I can accompany you at the post, if you want. 738 00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:25,020 - OK thanks. 739 00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:32,160 I will not attend the verdict. 740 00:35:34,260 --> 00:35:36,160 But whatever the result ... 741 00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:39,930 Tell Pascale that a times the storm passed, 742 00:35:40,030 --> 00:35:42,100 I am ready to see her again. 743 00:35:44,500 --> 00:35:46,340 - I will make him the message. 744 00:35:47,970 --> 00:35:49,040 THANKS. 745 00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:54,880 ♪ ♪ 746 00:35:57,680 --> 00:35:59,690 ♪ ♪ 747 00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:20,410 ♪ ♪ 748 00:36:35,050 --> 00:36:37,060 ♪ ♪ 749 00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:55,040 (cell ringtone) 750 00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:00,050 - Hello. 751 00:37:01,050 --> 00:37:02,250 Already? 752 00:37:02,350 --> 00:37:03,820 Ok, I arrive. 753 00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:06,120 (breathing breathing) 754 00:37:08,450 --> 00:37:09,560 - (Lombardi judge): Ms. Dubé, 755 00:37:09,660 --> 00:37:11,860 I will ask you to Please, please. 756 00:37:14,590 --> 00:37:16,730 (murmurs) 757 00:37:21,030 --> 00:37:22,540 What is your verdict 758 00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:25,610 For the chief of murder premeditated by Henri Laplante? 759 00:37:25,710 --> 00:37:26,840 - Guilty. 760 00:37:26,940 --> 00:37:28,840 - (Lombardi judge): And for the charm 761 00:37:28,940 --> 00:37:31,440 of attempted murder Madeleine Laplant? 762 00:37:31,540 --> 00:37:32,880 - Guilty. 763 00:37:32,980 --> 00:37:33,880 - THANKS. 764 00:37:33,980 --> 00:37:34,980 (hubbub) 765 00:37:36,250 --> 00:37:38,650 ♪ ♪ 766 00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:56,270 ♪ ♪ 767 00:38:20,990 --> 00:38:22,960 - You did everything What was needed. 768 00:38:23,060 --> 00:38:24,460 Hey... 769 00:38:26,530 --> 00:38:29,340 If it can console you, You convinced me, me. 770 00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:31,470 Pascale was not responsible. 771 00:38:34,270 --> 00:38:35,610 - THANKS. 772 00:38:46,690 --> 00:38:48,550 - (Julien): We will go on appeal. 773 00:38:48,650 --> 00:38:49,660 - Sure. 774 00:38:50,690 --> 00:38:51,620 I have excellent reasons ... 775 00:38:51,720 --> 00:38:52,730 - No. 776 00:38:54,390 --> 00:38:56,400 - I can have you A new trial. 777 00:38:56,500 --> 00:38:57,960 - I don't want to relive that. 778 00:38:58,060 --> 00:39:00,070 Then I don't want to do Relive this to anyone. 779 00:39:00,170 --> 00:39:01,770 (electric unlocking far away) 780 00:39:01,870 --> 00:39:04,500 - We are talking about life prison, There, Pascale. 781 00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:08,470 - I know, dad. 782 00:39:10,180 --> 00:39:11,680 But I deserve it. 783 00:39:14,350 --> 00:39:15,920 Henri is dead. 784 00:39:22,250 --> 00:39:23,990 Then for Madeleine? 785 00:39:27,930 --> 00:39:29,930 ♪ ♪ 786 00:39:33,070 --> 00:39:34,770 - (Michelle): Jean-Philippe will surely ask 787 00:39:34,870 --> 00:39:36,840 The forfeiture of parental authority. 788 00:39:36,940 --> 00:39:38,940 - (Julien): What does that mean? 789 00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:41,810 - (Michelle): from here To what Madeleine was 18 years old, 790 00:39:41,910 --> 00:39:43,640 She can not see her again. 791 00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:46,910 (tears) 792 00:39:52,950 --> 00:39:54,890 - (Jean-Philippe): We come from the court. 793 00:39:56,760 --> 00:39:59,530 Unfortunately, mom will stay in prison a little. 794 00:40:02,060 --> 00:40:03,600 I'm sorry. 795 00:40:23,050 --> 00:40:25,250 So if I understand correctly, You will drop everything. 796 00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:26,890 Logan, we had concluded an agreement. 797 00:40:26,950 --> 00:40:28,150 You work Even more here, Amy. 798 00:40:28,220 --> 00:40:29,790 You can stop to pretend. 799 00:40:29,860 --> 00:40:32,760 You don't have to to be interested in the rodeo. 800 00:40:32,830 --> 00:40:34,090 Forget what I told you. 801 00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:35,430 If I was more Like Georgie, I would be 802 00:40:35,490 --> 00:40:37,000 certainly more in my place here. 803 00:40:37,060 --> 00:40:38,900 -It's not true. -Yes, that's true. 804 00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:40,330 ♪ 805 00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:42,070 When I said to Everyone in town 806 00:40:42,130 --> 00:40:43,700 how much your thing is show -off, 807 00:40:43,770 --> 00:40:45,340 You will need a real Miracle to have customers. 808 00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:46,710 ♪ 809 00:40:46,770 --> 00:40:49,770 (The narrator reads text on the screen) 810 00:40:53,780 --> 00:40:55,310 (Mâtre intertwined) 811 00:40:59,790 --> 00:41:02,790 - After school, we're going to go Supper at Papi then granny, ok? 812 00:41:10,530 --> 00:41:12,030 I love you my dear. 813 00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:37,820 - I sleep all the time, 814 00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:40,090 Then the rest of the day, I am in vapes. 815 00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:46,960 - I will reduce Your dose of serum. 816 00:41:49,700 --> 00:41:52,700 In a few days, you should have a little more energy. 817 00:42:15,590 --> 00:42:17,700 - What are you doing here? 818 00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:19,270 Are you not at school? 819 00:42:19,370 --> 00:42:20,530 - I'm looking for prison. 820 00:42:20,630 --> 00:42:22,740 - (Pascale): the prosecutor of the crown was right. 821 00:42:24,240 --> 00:42:26,270 I was angry with JP. 822 00:42:26,370 --> 00:42:29,310 - But that doesn't mean that you were not in psychosis. 823 00:42:31,180 --> 00:42:33,050 You can be in anger and psychosis. 824 00:42:33,150 --> 00:42:34,280 Do you know, that? 825 00:42:34,380 --> 00:42:36,950 - Yeah, but the other psychiatrist said I was not. 826 00:42:37,050 --> 00:42:39,450 - We don't have the same diagnosis, Indeed. 827 00:42:39,550 --> 00:42:40,520 - But the jury said ... 828 00:42:40,620 --> 00:42:42,320 - The jury, him, 829 00:42:42,420 --> 00:42:45,420 made a verdict on the aspect legal of what happened. 830 00:42:46,230 --> 00:42:48,160 I was not there When they deliberated, 831 00:42:48,260 --> 00:42:51,000 But they had to assess a pack of facts, 832 00:42:51,100 --> 00:42:53,470 reports contradictory experts. 833 00:42:53,570 --> 00:42:55,570 It is sure that it not easy to decide. 834 00:42:55,670 --> 00:42:57,140 But... 835 00:42:58,140 --> 00:42:59,540 They are not psychiatrists. 836 00:42:59,640 --> 00:43:02,240 And above all, they don't have spent hours listening to you, 837 00:43:02,340 --> 00:43:04,510 Treat yourself, get you. 838 00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:08,180 That remains that it is a montravail. 839 00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:14,090 You have to trust me, Pascale. 840 00:43:15,620 --> 00:43:17,960 Do you trust me? 841 00:43:21,430 --> 00:43:22,760 - Yes. 842 00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:33,040 - Are you correct? 843 00:43:36,180 --> 00:43:38,280 - I apologize, dad. 844 00:43:38,380 --> 00:43:41,250 I am not able to stop loving mom. 845 00:43:41,350 --> 00:43:42,250 (little laugh) 846 00:43:42,350 --> 00:43:43,550 - It doesn't matter. 847 00:43:44,580 --> 00:43:45,990 It doesn't matter. 848 00:44:05,140 --> 00:44:06,540 - (whispering): THANKS. 849 00:44:07,640 --> 00:44:08,870 - To ... to a month. 850 00:44:08,970 --> 00:44:10,140 - Yes. 851 00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:12,710 - THANKS. 852 00:44:16,850 --> 00:44:18,850 ♪ ♪ 853 00:44:26,260 --> 00:44:28,430 (doorbell) 854 00:44:31,030 --> 00:44:32,030 - Papi! 855 00:44:56,420 --> 00:44:59,420 (♪ ooh beautiful by The Barr Brothers ♪) 856 00:45:28,120 --> 00:45:30,120 ♪ ♪ 857 00:45:57,320 --> 00:45:59,320 ♪ ♪ 858 00:46:29,350 --> 00:46:31,350 ♪ ♪ 859 00:46:40,460 --> 00:46:43,460 Subtitling: MELS