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There's been a murder.
I wouldn't have rung normally,
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but this one's unusual.
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Fun and games in here. Ray Collins,
arrested two and a half years ago
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on suspicion of sexual assault
of children under 13.
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I struggled to cope
with the guilt of what he did.
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It's a scar that never fades.
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We're dealing with two accused
yet unconvicted paedophiles,
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both attacked
with unusual brutality.
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This could just be the start.
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She's my daughter,
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and we will all be scarred by this
for the rest of our lives.
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She used the same words.
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Mr Regis, it is my responsibility
to inform you, you are free to go.
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Revenge diminishes us.
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When you decide you have the right
to enact your own punishment,
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where does it lead?
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Hi.
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Oh, sorry, man.
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Did I wake you up?
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No, no. No, you're good.
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I made some coffee.
You want some?
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Er... Sure.
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Do you want some milk?
Some sugar?
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No, thanks.
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So, how're you getting on with Hal?
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Erm...
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Harry.
Oh!
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Great, man.
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He's a really good boy.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, he's great.
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They can be hard work, though,
sometimes, can't they, kids?
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Yeah.
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He comes to stay here quite a bit,
to give his mum break,
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and, I mean,
he can be a right little sod.
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The amount of times
that I have nearly...
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You know?
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But that's the deal, isn't it?
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As a parent, or uncle, or anyone,
really, who's in charge of kids.
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You've gotta be better than that.
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Yeah.
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So there's no obvious connection
in the three cases at the CPS,
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and the lawyers handling the
Statham, Collins and Dawlish cases
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were all different.
And?
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And Statham
was attacked in early 2015.
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Why would the assailant then wait
over two years
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before attacking two more
in as many days? I don't know.
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I just...
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I just think it's significant
that all three were attacked in ways
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that inflicted fairly uniquely
appalling violence.
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I'm saying why does it necessarily
have to be one person
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rather than one idea
done by several people?
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You got any theories who?
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Yeah. I think we have to keep
looking at family connections.
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Friends of friends, maybe
an organised group of vigilantes.
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Absolutely. I'm just...
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saying, I see a very
distinct rage here.
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See one or recognise one?
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Sorry, that just...
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Sorry.
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If I'm right, we have a man in jail
in Nico Kashell
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who can tell us who owns that rage.
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Right, I have to go visit
my old governor.
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I've got to be there
at three o'clock.
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In the meantime, can you get me
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or can someone get me
Kashell's home address, please?
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Yeah. Do you want me to set up
an interview with his wife?
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No. Just the address for now.
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I could never have done such
horrible things to anyone, Lisa.
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Let alone a child!
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Which is why the case is collapsing,
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because I've been
the victim of an injustice.
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And all I'm asking now is if we
could just put the last six months
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behind us and get on with
the rest of our lives!
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You know what surprises me
more than anything, Mark?
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More than you being out, even?
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It's you thinking
I would ever want to spend
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a moment more with you
than these few minutes now.
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I sat in court.
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I heard the charges.
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I wept for that poor child
and her family.
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I wished you could
go to prison for life.
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I'm so ashamed of ever having had
any feelings for you.
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And I want you to leave, now.
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I only wanted a place to kip,
anyway.
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I'll see you around, Lisa.
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I promise you that.
Hm.
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Bitch!
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Hello, William.
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All right, boss?
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Hey!
Oh!
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Yeah, yeah.
Good to see you.
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All right. Don't overdo it.
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In you go.
Oh, thank you.
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Sorry about the, er... mess.
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I was never one
for the old domesticity.
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Sandra used to do all that.
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Yeah. Sorry to hear about that.
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Yeah, well...
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They all piss off in the end,
don't they?
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Can hardly blame them, really,
can we?
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Coffee?
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Er, no.
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Tea?
No, I'm fine, honestly.
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Little sharpener.
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I have to be back in town at five,
so...
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How are you?
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Yeah, I'm-I'm good.
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Two years clear now,
so fingers crossed.
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It's great to hear that.
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Sit.
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So... fire away.
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You wanted to hear about
the Statham case.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, I just want to see
if there's a link
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between that and two new cases.
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One GBH, one murder,
both known convicted paedophiles.
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A link?
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Yeah.
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What, you mean...
It can't be the perpetrator.
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Statham's man's doing
an eight-stretch, isn't he?
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Nico Kashell, yeah.
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Actually, if we can...
if we can come back to him.
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First, I just want to ask you,
why do you think the CPS
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didn't prosecute Statham
for the sexual assault?
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Well, the evidence wasn't brilliant.
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Why waste time trying to convict
a 30-70 case
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when you can convict half a dozen
80-20 cases for the same money?
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Oh, OK.
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And in terms of Kashell...
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do you think it was definitely him
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who attacked Statham?
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He confessed, Will.
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Yeah, but, you know,
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people confess for all sorts of
reasons, don't they?
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It's not always cos they did it.
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His car was photographed
half a mile from Statham's house
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an hour before the attack.
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We found carpet fibres
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similar to the carpet
found in Statham's house
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inside Kashell's car.
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On the passenger side.
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I'm not saying that he wasn't
involved in some way.
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I just...
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I don't buy him
being the actual assailant.
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His little girl
had been raped by this man.
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He destroyed their lives.
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And the rage?
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Well, the rage he felt
when they dropped the charges -
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the rage we all felt...
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I believe 100% he could have done
what he did.
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Give it up, fella.
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Eh?
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Cos the shape,
the order you're looking for...
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doesn't exist.
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The world is random...
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chaotic...
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and cruel.
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And you know that better than most.
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'Guv, it's Josie.
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'I've just texted you
the Kashell home address,
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'but his wife's not back until six.'
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'Let me know if you want me
to set up an interview.'
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If Kashell's wife had known I was
coming, she could have wiped it.
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Wiped what? You don't even know
there's anything on it.
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If I'm right, and Kashell
is doing someone else's time,
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then his wife must have known.
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My guess is she would
have been in on it,
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so emails, address books, contacts
are a good place to start.
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Except anything you find
you won't be able to use
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cos you got the information
illegally.
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Josie, there are going to be more
deaths unless we catch the killer,
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so does that really matter?
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Yes.
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Fine. I'll do it myself.
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OK, fine. I'll do it.
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I need to speak to the brief
from the CPS
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who handled the Statham case.
Can you set up a meeting?
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Yeah.
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So I went through all her contacts,
and not surprisingly,
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there was no number listed under
Debbie Collins or Gail Watkins.
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I went back and tried
the initials DC and GW,
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and that's when I found
a number for a Derek Collier.
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Did you ring it?
And?
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Debbie Collins answered.
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Yes!
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Ha!
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Was there any Gail Watkins
connection?
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Not that I've found yet.
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So you think it was actually them
together, or...?
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We'll have to run down
both their alibis,
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but it seems unlikely, doesn't it?
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I mean,
they're both small women physically.
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I doubt even together they could
have overpowered any of those men.
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It's not impossible, I guess.
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Maybe they paid someone.
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Maybe, but maybe
they didn't want money.
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Maybe a sense of justice done
was enough.
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Justice done for who?
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For the families, yeah, but why
would someone else do that for them,
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commit such brutal assaults?
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Cos they could.
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Cos they were unhinged.
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Cos they understood that pain.
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'It had nothing to do with
a lack of evidence.'
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If we think any case stands
half a decent chance of success,
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particularly one as serious
as Statham's, we take it to trial,
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and in this instance,
we authorised charges.
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So why didn't it go?
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This is all in the files.
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It was the parents.
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They withdrew their cooperation.
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What do you mean?
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Sorry - they withdrew
their cooperation?
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Yes, they didn't want
their daughter to testify
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or to be examined by counsel.
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Despite all the special measures
we put in place,
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they thought it
would be too traumatic for her.
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Might have still
secured a conviction
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but it would have made it
extraordinarily difficult.
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OK. OK. I need to talk to you
about couple of other cases.
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Oh, no, I'm sorry,
I've got to go to a conference.
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Or you could just come down
the station.
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Which cases?
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So, the parents in the Collins,
Dawlish and Statham cases
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all caused them to collapse
themselves by withdrawing
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the cooperation of their children
from the police and the CPS
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within the same three-month period.
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And why would anyone do that?
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Exactly.
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It's completely counterintuitive,
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unless... you come at it from a
different angle and ask yourselves
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if maybe they wanted to keep
the suspects out of prison.
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Shit!
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They thought prison was a let-off.
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Exactly.
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I think this group of parents
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collectively decided on
a far worse punishment
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for their children's abuser.
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And how did they justify their
sudden non-cooperation to the CPS?
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They just...
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They just said it
would be to traumatic for the kids.
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We need to speak to Debbie Collins
again.
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Yes, and we need to get a warrant
for Nico Kashell's house.
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It's time to pay his wife a visit.
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So am I under arrest?
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No.
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Greta, you're not under arrest.
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But I am gonna ask you
some questions
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and I do have to caution you
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and tell you that you don't have
to say anything,
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but it may harm your defence
if you do not mention
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when questioned something
you later rely on in court,
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and anything you do say may be
used in evidence, OK?
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Yes.
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00:16:26,710 --> 00:16:27,710
OK.
258
00:16:28,710 --> 00:16:31,710
Why would you disguise Debbie's name
259
00:16:31,710 --> 00:16:34,710
unless you didn't want people to
know that you were connected to her?
260
00:16:34,710 --> 00:16:36,710
I don't know.
261
00:16:36,710 --> 00:16:40,710
Maybe I was worried
when her husband got attacked.
262
00:16:40,710 --> 00:16:42,710
Worried that we might think
you were involved?
263
00:16:42,710 --> 00:16:44,390
Maybe.
Are you?
264
00:16:44,390 --> 00:16:45,710
No.
265
00:16:47,710 --> 00:16:49,070
So when did you last speak to her?
266
00:16:50,710 --> 00:16:53,710
Er... I don't know,
maybe a year ago?
267
00:16:53,710 --> 00:16:55,710
And how did you know her?
268
00:16:55,710 --> 00:16:59,710
There was a group I went to
for families
269
00:16:59,710 --> 00:17:02,710
who'd been affected by abuse.
270
00:17:02,710 --> 00:17:04,550
Was it this one?
271
00:17:06,710 --> 00:17:07,710
Yeah.
272
00:17:07,710 --> 00:17:08,910
Did you meet Gall Watkins there?
273
00:17:10,710 --> 00:17:12,710
Er... I only went a couple of times.
274
00:17:12,710 --> 00:17:14,070
I really don't remember.
275
00:17:15,550 --> 00:17:16,710
Who ran it?
276
00:17:16,710 --> 00:17:17,710
Er...
277
00:17:17,710 --> 00:17:21,710
It was a circle, you sat in a circle
of chairs and just talked.
278
00:17:21,710 --> 00:17:22,710
I don't think anyone...
279
00:17:22,710 --> 00:17:25,710
Someone must have booked
the hall, mustn't they?
280
00:17:25,710 --> 00:17:26,710
I guess.
281
00:17:26,710 --> 00:17:28,710
Well, whose number's this?
282
00:17:28,710 --> 00:17:30,710
It was just an answering service
283
00:17:30,710 --> 00:17:32,710
so that you could let them know
if you were going.
284
00:17:32,710 --> 00:17:33,710
Where was it?
285
00:17:33,710 --> 00:17:37,710
Some sort of old council building,
I think it was.
286
00:17:37,710 --> 00:17:40,710
It was... behind Warren Street.
287
00:17:43,710 --> 00:17:47,070
Greta, this file of phone contacts
was amended on the day
288
00:17:47,070 --> 00:17:48,910
that Ray Collins was murdered.
289
00:17:48,910 --> 00:17:50,710
In fact...
290
00:17:50,710 --> 00:17:52,710
I mean, look at that,
291
00:17:52,710 --> 00:17:55,550
it was only two hours after
our estimated time of his death.
292
00:18:05,710 --> 00:18:08,390
I have a daughter
who was sexually abused
293
00:18:08,390 --> 00:18:12,710
and a husband serving eight years
in a high security prison,
294
00:18:12,710 --> 00:18:14,710
so perhaps you'll understand why
295
00:18:14,710 --> 00:18:19,710
I don't weep for men like Collins,
but I didn't kill him.
296
00:18:19,710 --> 00:18:23,710
Debbie did call me to tell me
what had happened, but when he died,
297
00:18:23,710 --> 00:18:25,710
I was in church with my daughter.
298
00:18:27,390 --> 00:18:31,710
Thanking God for giving us all
the strength we needed to survive.
299
00:18:32,710 --> 00:18:36,070
She might have been telling
the truth about her alibi,
300
00:18:36,070 --> 00:18:38,710
but she's lying about other stuff.
301
00:18:38,710 --> 00:18:40,710
They all are.
302
00:18:40,710 --> 00:18:43,390
We keep the pressure on.
303
00:18:43,390 --> 00:18:44,710
'So, we just wanted to talk to you'
304
00:18:44,710 --> 00:18:47,710
about something you said
last time we spoke.
305
00:18:48,710 --> 00:18:55,710
You said, "I struggle to cope
with all the guilt at what he did,
306
00:18:55,710 --> 00:18:58,710
"what his lawyer did,
what the CPS did to our family."
307
00:19:00,230 --> 00:19:02,710
And I find that a bit odd.
308
00:19:02,710 --> 00:19:05,710
Cos actually, it was you
who withdrew your cooperation
309
00:19:05,710 --> 00:19:07,390
and caused the case to collapse,
wasn't it?
310
00:19:07,390 --> 00:19:09,390
Who told you that?
311
00:19:09,390 --> 00:19:10,710
I spoke with the CPS.
312
00:19:10,710 --> 00:19:12,710
Did they tell you why
I withdrew cooperation?
313
00:19:12,710 --> 00:19:14,070
Why don't you tell me?
314
00:19:14,070 --> 00:19:16,710
Because your lot messed up.
315
00:19:16,710 --> 00:19:18,910
You interviewed one of my girls
without a responsible adult.
316
00:19:18,910 --> 00:19:20,550
Because my solicitor said
317
00:19:20,550 --> 00:19:22,710
the defence would have made
mincemeat of her.
318
00:19:22,710 --> 00:19:24,710
Well, why not just have her be
interviewed again?
319
00:19:25,750 --> 00:19:27,910
I'm guessing you don't have kids.
320
00:19:29,550 --> 00:19:30,750
So you don't know what it's like,
321
00:19:30,750 --> 00:19:33,710
watching someone you love
more than anything else in the world
322
00:19:33,710 --> 00:19:37,710
have to dredge it all up again
and again and again.
323
00:19:38,710 --> 00:19:39,710
That's why.
324
00:19:44,710 --> 00:19:46,710
Hm.
325
00:19:49,070 --> 00:19:51,710
Tell me about your relationship
with Greta Kashell.
326
00:19:53,710 --> 00:19:55,710
I don't have a relationship
with Greta Kashell.
327
00:19:55,710 --> 00:19:57,710
Yeah, but you know she is,
don't you?
328
00:19:57,710 --> 00:19:58,710
I met her a few times.
329
00:19:58,710 --> 00:19:59,910
Where?
330
00:19:59,910 --> 00:20:03,710
At a support group I went to
occasionally, but we're not friends.
331
00:20:03,710 --> 00:20:07,710
I've met her... We've spoken
maybe twice in as many years.
332
00:20:07,710 --> 00:20:08,710
And Gail Watkins?
333
00:20:08,710 --> 00:20:10,710
Same.
At SCAR?
334
00:20:10,710 --> 00:20:12,710
Yes.
335
00:20:15,070 --> 00:20:19,710
Debbie, we have a warrant
to search your house.
336
00:20:19,710 --> 00:20:22,710
When we do, we're going to go
through your phone records
337
00:20:22,710 --> 00:20:25,710
and your computer and your diaries
and your address books.
338
00:20:26,710 --> 00:20:28,710
You really think it was us?
339
00:20:28,710 --> 00:20:29,710
Was it?
340
00:20:29,710 --> 00:20:31,710
No.
341
00:20:31,710 --> 00:20:33,710
Did you ask someone
to do it for you?
342
00:20:33,710 --> 00:20:35,710
No.
Do you know who did it?
343
00:20:35,710 --> 00:20:36,710
No.
344
00:20:41,710 --> 00:20:43,710
Debbie, this is your chance,
345
00:20:43,710 --> 00:20:45,710
this is your opportunity
to tell us your side of the story.
346
00:20:48,230 --> 00:20:52,710
Because I think in your heart
you want to talk to me.
347
00:20:52,710 --> 00:20:55,710
I think you are involved
in these events somehow,
348
00:20:55,710 --> 00:20:57,710
and I think you regret it.
349
00:20:58,910 --> 00:21:00,910
I think you regret it very much.
350
00:21:04,070 --> 00:21:05,710
I think you wanna talk.
351
00:21:11,710 --> 00:21:12,710
No.
352
00:21:12,710 --> 00:21:14,710
I have nothing further to say.
353
00:21:24,710 --> 00:21:28,710
The assault and murder last week
of as yet unnamed man.
354
00:21:28,710 --> 00:21:31,910
It's been confirmed by local
residents that both men have been
355
00:21:31,910 --> 00:21:37,390
arrested previously in connection
with allegations of child sex abuse.
356
00:21:37,390 --> 00:21:38,710
Now, other news,
357
00:21:38,710 --> 00:21:41,710
and in the City,
the FTSE 100 is up...
358
00:21:50,710 --> 00:21:52,710
Staffe.
359
00:21:52,710 --> 00:21:54,750
A result from the search
of Debbie Collins' house.
360
00:21:54,750 --> 00:21:57,230
This was found in a kitchen drawer.
361
00:21:57,230 --> 00:22:00,070
It's got Greta Kashell in there
and Gail Watkins
362
00:22:00,070 --> 00:22:01,710
and a number of other names
363
00:22:01,710 --> 00:22:04,710
which I'm guessing are other parents
that she met at the support group.
364
00:22:07,390 --> 00:22:09,710
Can I...
365
00:22:09,710 --> 00:22:12,230
OK, OK, we need to run this through
Intel, PNC, CMS,
366
00:22:12,230 --> 00:22:13,710
Custody and Command And Control.
367
00:22:13,710 --> 00:22:15,710
I want to know what
the crimes against their kids were,
368
00:22:15,710 --> 00:22:17,710
whether the suspects
were prosecuted,
369
00:22:17,710 --> 00:22:20,710
where all the suspects are now
and where all those parents were
370
00:22:20,710 --> 00:22:23,710
when Statham, Collins
and Dawlish were attacked.
371
00:22:23,710 --> 00:22:26,710
Ah, yeah, we're getting closer,
we're getting closer.
372
00:22:27,710 --> 00:22:29,710
This is good work, Dave.
373
00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:42,960
Oi.
374
00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:44,960
Present.
375
00:22:45,460 --> 00:22:46,460
We all clubbed together.
376
00:22:46,460 --> 00:22:47,460
You shouldn't have.
377
00:22:47,460 --> 00:22:50,460
That's what I said.
It's just man flu.
378
00:22:50,460 --> 00:22:54,460
Er, so the answering service number,
did you get any joy from BT?
379
00:22:54,460 --> 00:22:56,140
Yeah, name and an address.
380
00:22:56,140 --> 00:22:59,460
Unfortunately, the name's
John Smith,
381
00:22:59,460 --> 00:23:03,460
line and bills were registered
to a serviced office in the city.
382
00:23:03,460 --> 00:23:04,460
What about how they paid?
383
00:23:04,460 --> 00:23:07,460
I'm waiting to hear
back from the billing department.
384
00:23:07,460 --> 00:23:10,460
They said it might take a couple
of days, so...
385
00:23:10,460 --> 00:23:11,500
Jesus, all right!
386
00:23:11,500 --> 00:23:13,460
Almost making me feel guilty.
387
00:23:13,460 --> 00:23:15,460
Almost.
388
00:23:15,460 --> 00:23:16,460
Right, I'm off to the SCAR
meeting hall.
389
00:23:16,460 --> 00:23:18,460
Call me on the billing as soon as.
390
00:23:18,460 --> 00:23:20,500
OK. Just to be clear, this isn't
what you give sick people.
391
00:23:20,500 --> 00:23:22,460
It hasn't been for about 20 years.
392
00:23:22,460 --> 00:23:23,980
It tastes nice, though, doesn't it?
393
00:23:54,460 --> 00:23:56,460
I'll let you know, girls, all right?
394
00:23:56,460 --> 00:24:01,460
Well, as I said, they always
paid in cash, I remember that.
395
00:24:01,460 --> 00:24:02,460
So when was the last time they came?
396
00:24:02,460 --> 00:24:05,460
What? The SCAR group,
when was the last time they met?
397
00:24:05,460 --> 00:24:06,460
Oh, I don't know.
398
00:24:06,460 --> 00:24:08,300
About 18 months ago.
399
00:24:08,300 --> 00:24:09,460
Here's the paperwork.
400
00:24:10,460 --> 00:24:12,460
I should have chucked this out.
401
00:24:12,460 --> 00:24:15,460
In fact, I only saw it
was still there when you rang.
402
00:24:15,460 --> 00:24:18,460
Do you think if we asked
you to take part in a video ID,
403
00:24:18,460 --> 00:24:20,460
you'd be able to recognise
any of the people that were here?
404
00:24:20,460 --> 00:24:22,460
Maybe the ones
that paid you the rent?
405
00:24:22,460 --> 00:24:24,460
Oh, I don't know, really.
406
00:24:24,460 --> 00:24:25,660
Long time ago.
407
00:24:25,660 --> 00:24:26,820
Maybe.
408
00:24:26,820 --> 00:24:28,660
OK. Well, we'll give you
a shout when we're done.
409
00:24:28,660 --> 00:24:30,140
Thanks a lot for your help.
410
00:24:44,460 --> 00:24:46,140
Give me that.
411
00:24:46,140 --> 00:24:47,460
It's just a kid's drawing.
412
00:24:53,460 --> 00:24:54,460
Will?
413
00:24:54,460 --> 00:24:57,460
This is printed on a HOLMES page.
414
00:24:57,460 --> 00:24:58,460
Our HOLMES?
415
00:24:58,460 --> 00:24:59,980
Yeah.
416
00:24:59,980 --> 00:25:02,460
Only a copper would be
able to print this out.
417
00:25:04,460 --> 00:25:05,460
Yeah.
418
00:25:05,460 --> 00:25:06,460
RINGING
419
00:25:06,460 --> 00:25:08,460
Staffe.
420
00:25:09,460 --> 00:25:10,460
Shit. When?
421
00:25:10,460 --> 00:25:12,140
OK.
422
00:25:16,300 --> 00:25:18,460
Nico Kashell just tried
to top himself.
423
00:25:18,460 --> 00:25:20,460
Shit!
424
00:25:20,460 --> 00:25:23,460
I'm beginning to have
a very unpleasant thought.
425
00:25:24,460 --> 00:25:28,460
Kashell would have known
Bob Jessop pretty well.
426
00:25:28,460 --> 00:25:31,460
He'd have had a lot of contact
with him through the investigation.
427
00:25:31,460 --> 00:25:32,460
Whoa, that is quite a thing.
428
00:25:32,460 --> 00:25:34,460
Do you seriously think Jessop
could be involved?
429
00:25:34,460 --> 00:25:36,460
I dunno.
This way.
430
00:25:36,460 --> 00:25:38,660
I dunno, I hope not, but...
431
00:25:38,660 --> 00:25:41,460
I'm going to consider it
a possibility anyway.
432
00:25:41,460 --> 00:25:43,460
I guess.
433
00:25:43,460 --> 00:25:45,460
Just keep this between us, yeah?
434
00:25:46,460 --> 00:25:47,820
Of course.
435
00:25:51,460 --> 00:25:52,820
DI Jessop.
436
00:25:55,460 --> 00:25:57,460
What about him?
437
00:25:57,460 --> 00:25:58,460
Well...
438
00:25:59,460 --> 00:26:05,460
you must have got to know him
through the investigation.
439
00:26:08,460 --> 00:26:10,660
I met him twice.
440
00:26:11,660 --> 00:26:14,820
Our relationship was with
the family liaison officer.
441
00:26:17,460 --> 00:26:19,300
Hardly knew Jessop.
442
00:26:20,460 --> 00:26:23,820
Who attacked Statham, Nico?
443
00:26:25,460 --> 00:26:28,300
Cos it wasn't you, was it?
444
00:26:28,300 --> 00:26:29,460
Did you pay someone?
445
00:26:29,460 --> 00:26:31,460
Did Jessop introduce you to someone?
446
00:26:31,460 --> 00:26:34,460
I mean, you're an accountant,
for Christ's sake!
447
00:26:34,460 --> 00:26:37,460
How did you-how did you
get hold of chloroform, huh?
448
00:26:37,460 --> 00:26:39,460
How did you get into his house?
Guv.
449
00:26:39,460 --> 00:26:41,460
Just stop lying to us,
you little prick! Guv!
450
00:26:53,980 --> 00:26:56,460
'We will all be scarred
by this for the rest of our lives.'
451
00:26:56,460 --> 00:26:58,820
'I dreamed
about killing him a million times.
452
00:26:58,820 --> 00:27:02,460
'I thought about what I'd do,
to make him suffer.
453
00:27:02,460 --> 00:27:06,300
'The rage he felt
when they dropped the charges -
454
00:27:06,300 --> 00:27:07,460
'the rage we all felt...'
455
00:27:10,140 --> 00:27:11,660
He's not a happy bunny.
456
00:27:14,500 --> 00:27:15,660
What?
457
00:27:15,660 --> 00:27:18,300
I went through the list
and checked all the names.
458
00:27:18,300 --> 00:27:22,460
Of the other victims' cases, they
all went to trial, no halted cases,
459
00:27:22,460 --> 00:27:23,460
no parents pulling out...
460
00:27:23,460 --> 00:27:24,460
OK. OK.
461
00:27:24,460 --> 00:27:25,460
Except then, this morning,
462
00:27:25,460 --> 00:27:27,460
I saw an update on HOLMES
463
00:27:27,460 --> 00:27:31,460
relating to one of the surnames
in Debbie Collins' diary,
464
00:27:31,460 --> 00:27:32,980
another parent whose daughter
465
00:27:32,980 --> 00:27:35,500
was allegedly assaulted by a man
named Mark Regis.
466
00:27:35,500 --> 00:27:37,460
This guy?
467
00:27:37,460 --> 00:27:38,460
Yeah.
468
00:27:38,460 --> 00:27:40,980
So it turns out that Regis
was released two days ago,
469
00:27:40,980 --> 00:27:45,460
when the victim's family suddenly
withdrew their cooperation.
470
00:27:49,460 --> 00:27:51,460
Do we have an address for him?
471
00:27:51,460 --> 00:27:53,460
His bail address was his wife's,
472
00:27:53,460 --> 00:27:55,460
but she just told me
she chucked him out.
473
00:27:55,460 --> 00:27:56,460
Did she have any idea where he went?
474
00:27:56,460 --> 00:27:57,820
No.
Well, we need to find him, now.
475
00:28:27,460 --> 00:28:31,460
Yeah, can I have the number
for my local police station, please?
476
00:28:35,460 --> 00:28:37,460
That's OK.
477
00:28:40,300 --> 00:28:41,460
Hello?
478
00:28:43,460 --> 00:28:46,460
And Harry's really loved spending
time with you, so thank you.
479
00:28:46,460 --> 00:28:48,460
What time are you pushing off
tomorrow?
480
00:28:48,460 --> 00:28:51,660
Paolo's got a job interview
about three o'clock,
481
00:28:51,660 --> 00:28:54,460
then he'll come back here
and we'll probably push off then.
482
00:28:54,460 --> 00:28:56,460
I mean... You can...
483
00:28:56,460 --> 00:28:59,460
You could stay tomorrow night if
you want. I can cook you something.
484
00:28:59,460 --> 00:29:01,460
He's got to meet a friend in town,
so...
485
00:29:02,500 --> 00:29:04,820
Well, why don't the three of us
go out,
486
00:29:04,820 --> 00:29:07,460
you, me and Harry, catch a film?
487
00:29:07,460 --> 00:29:09,980
It's probably just best
that I go with him.
488
00:29:15,460 --> 00:29:18,460
Well, I'm gonna miss you both.
489
00:29:23,460 --> 00:29:24,460
He's asked me to marry him.
490
00:29:28,660 --> 00:29:33,460
He wants to have more children,
a brother or sister for Harry...
491
00:29:34,500 --> 00:29:40,460
a-and you know how much
I wanted a real family, Will.
492
00:29:40,460 --> 00:29:44,460
And he's the loveliest person when
he doesn't drink, I promise you.
493
00:29:50,460 --> 00:29:52,460
Dinner!
494
00:29:55,460 --> 00:29:56,460
Well, if, um...
495
00:30:01,460 --> 00:30:03,460
if that's
what'll make you happy...
496
00:30:06,460 --> 00:30:08,460
I'm happy for you.
497
00:30:23,500 --> 00:30:26,300
Mm, smells delicious.
498
00:30:26,300 --> 00:30:27,460
Thank you.
499
00:30:27,460 --> 00:30:28,460
What is this?
500
00:30:28,460 --> 00:30:29,820
Risotto. Mushroom.
501
00:31:00,460 --> 00:31:01,460
Hey.
502
00:31:01,460 --> 00:31:03,460
You've been ignoring my calls.
503
00:31:03,460 --> 00:31:05,300
Er, yeah, sorry.
504
00:31:05,300 --> 00:31:06,460
Work's been insane.
505
00:31:06,460 --> 00:31:10,460
Well, I was just calling to say
if you do need me tomorrow,
506
00:31:10,460 --> 00:31:12,460
I'm still around.
507
00:31:15,140 --> 00:31:16,460
How about if I need you now?
508
00:31:56,460 --> 00:31:58,460
'We can certainly expect
some thunder and heavy rain,
509
00:31:58,460 --> 00:32:00,460
'lasting well into the afternoon,
510
00:32:00,460 --> 00:32:03,460
'with scattered showers
carrying on until the night...'
511
00:32:03,460 --> 00:32:05,460
'Heavy showers
and high humidity levels.
512
00:32:05,460 --> 00:32:09,460
'This will last
well into the evening...'
513
00:32:09,460 --> 00:32:10,460
'It was the last attack.
514
00:32:10,460 --> 00:32:13,460
'Police believe that further
assaults may be possible
515
00:32:13,460 --> 00:32:15,460
'and have asked
members of the public...'
516
00:32:15,460 --> 00:32:16,500
Fuck!
517
00:32:41,460 --> 00:32:43,460
So is this the case?
518
00:32:43,460 --> 00:32:46,460
Or tomorrow, or...?
519
00:32:48,460 --> 00:32:50,140
Christ knows.
520
00:32:52,500 --> 00:32:55,460
Hardly even know
my own name at the moment.
521
00:32:57,460 --> 00:33:00,460
My latest wild theory
is that Bob Jessop did it.
522
00:33:02,140 --> 00:33:03,460
How's old Bob?
523
00:33:03,460 --> 00:33:06,460
Yeah, if you think
I'm in bad shape...
524
00:33:07,500 --> 00:33:09,460
I heard Sandra left him.
525
00:33:09,460 --> 00:33:11,140
How did you hear that?
526
00:33:11,140 --> 00:33:13,460
You know.
She rang me after you and me split.
527
00:33:13,460 --> 00:33:15,460
We stayed in touch.
528
00:33:16,460 --> 00:33:18,460
I've always liked Sandra.
529
00:33:18,460 --> 00:33:20,460
She didn't deserve what he did.
530
00:33:20,460 --> 00:33:22,460
What did he do?
531
00:33:22,460 --> 00:33:23,460
Had an affair.
532
00:33:25,460 --> 00:33:26,460
What?
533
00:33:26,460 --> 00:33:29,140
You're joking me?
534
00:33:29,140 --> 00:33:32,460
Somebody actually let Bob Jessop
put his penis inside them.
535
00:33:32,460 --> 00:33:33,460
I thought you knew.
536
00:33:33,460 --> 00:33:34,820
Oh, my God!
537
00:33:34,820 --> 00:33:36,660
Who was the unlucky lady?
538
00:33:36,660 --> 00:33:38,460
Some woman from the CPS.
539
00:33:38,460 --> 00:33:40,460
Yeah?
He met her on a case.
540
00:33:40,460 --> 00:33:41,460
A Ruth...
541
00:33:41,460 --> 00:33:43,500
Ruth... someone.
542
00:34:05,460 --> 00:34:07,460
Boss, it's me.
543
00:34:07,460 --> 00:34:09,460
It's Will.
544
00:34:10,460 --> 00:34:12,460
I need to talk to you.
545
00:34:12,460 --> 00:34:13,660
I know you were seeing Ruth
546
00:34:13,660 --> 00:34:17,460
at the same time that she was
handling the Kashell case.
547
00:34:17,460 --> 00:34:19,460
I can see your light
from the street, sir.
548
00:34:19,460 --> 00:34:20,460
I know you're in there.
549
00:34:21,460 --> 00:34:23,460
Open the door, sir!
550
00:34:29,460 --> 00:34:31,460
Suppose you'd better come in, then.
551
00:34:34,460 --> 00:34:35,980
Argh!
552
00:34:40,460 --> 00:34:44,140
I told you to walk away, lad!
553
00:35:10,820 --> 00:35:12,460
Yeah?
Boss?
554
00:35:12,460 --> 00:35:14,460
Yeah?
You all right?
555
00:35:14,460 --> 00:35:15,460
Yeah.
556
00:35:17,460 --> 00:35:18,460
What's up?
557
00:35:18,460 --> 00:35:21,140
Bob Jessop just sent us a note.
558
00:35:22,140 --> 00:35:24,140
It's a confession to the attacks.
559
00:35:25,460 --> 00:35:27,460
I'm on my way.
560
00:35:42,460 --> 00:35:44,460
'It was dropped in by him
at two in the morning'
561
00:35:44,460 --> 00:35:48,460
and it's a full confession
to Statham, Collins and Dawlish.
562
00:35:48,460 --> 00:35:51,460
We've got a team
checking the airports and the ports,
563
00:35:51,460 --> 00:35:55,460
but that was only opened at eight,
so he'll have a head start.
564
00:35:58,460 --> 00:36:00,140
If you're gonna run...
565
00:36:02,460 --> 00:36:04,460
why not just run?
566
00:36:05,460 --> 00:36:07,460
And why all this?
567
00:36:12,820 --> 00:36:15,460
Unless it's a distraction.
568
00:36:17,460 --> 00:36:20,460
You said we've got people
searching the ports for Jessop,
569
00:36:20,460 --> 00:36:21,460
searching the airports.
570
00:36:21,460 --> 00:36:23,460
Have we got anyone looking for him?
571
00:36:23,460 --> 00:36:26,460
Mark Regis? Oh, shit!
572
00:36:26,460 --> 00:36:28,460
We've got an address for him now,
so...
573
00:36:28,460 --> 00:36:29,460
I'm coming.
574
00:36:30,460 --> 00:36:33,460
And, you know, I'm sure I'm wrong,
575
00:36:33,460 --> 00:36:36,460
Jessop's our man and Regis is fine
576
00:36:36,460 --> 00:36:38,460
but it's just best to check, OK?
577
00:36:42,140 --> 00:36:43,460
What's that?
578
00:36:43,460 --> 00:36:45,460
It's a list of SCAR attendees.
579
00:36:46,460 --> 00:36:50,460
The one we found
at Debbie Collins' house.
580
00:36:50,460 --> 00:36:51,820
Richard and Rebecca Allerton?
581
00:36:51,820 --> 00:36:53,460
Yeah?
582
00:36:56,460 --> 00:36:57,460
What was their story?
583
00:36:57,460 --> 00:37:00,460
Er, their daughter
was raped three years ago.
584
00:37:00,460 --> 00:37:02,460
There was a full investigation
but no-one was caught.
585
00:37:03,980 --> 00:37:05,460
Er...
586
00:37:06,460 --> 00:37:07,460
OK.
587
00:37:07,460 --> 00:37:10,460
OK, um, you guys...
588
00:37:10,460 --> 00:37:13,140
I'll meet you downstairs, all right,
I'm just going to make a call.
589
00:37:33,460 --> 00:37:34,460
'Rick.'
590
00:37:34,460 --> 00:37:36,460
Hello, Will.
591
00:37:36,460 --> 00:37:38,460
'Hi. Where are you?'
592
00:37:38,460 --> 00:37:41,500
Oh, just, er, out.
593
00:37:42,980 --> 00:37:45,140
'Do we need to talk?'
594
00:37:46,820 --> 00:37:48,460
What about?
595
00:37:49,460 --> 00:37:51,460
'You and your missus.'
596
00:37:53,460 --> 00:37:55,460
Why would we need to talk about
me and Becca?
597
00:37:55,460 --> 00:37:59,500
I've just seen
a couple's name on a list.
598
00:38:02,460 --> 00:38:05,460
Richard and Rebecca Allerton.
599
00:38:05,460 --> 00:38:07,460
'That's a good spot.
600
00:38:07,460 --> 00:38:10,460
'We never did get married
in the end.'
601
00:38:11,460 --> 00:38:15,820
Er... Right, you got a pen
and I'll give you an address?
602
00:38:15,820 --> 00:38:18,460
Poplar DLR...
603
00:38:22,140 --> 00:38:23,500
You go on.
604
00:38:23,500 --> 00:38:25,460
Something else has come up.
605
00:38:25,460 --> 00:38:26,460
Is everything OK?
606
00:38:26,460 --> 00:38:27,460
It's fine.
607
00:38:27,460 --> 00:38:29,300
I'll meet you there.
608
00:38:56,460 --> 00:38:57,660
Hello, sir.
609
00:38:57,660 --> 00:38:59,460
You called our station.
610
00:38:59,460 --> 00:39:01,460
Yeah, I did.
Thanks for coming, officer.
611
00:39:01,460 --> 00:39:03,460
My pleasure entirely, Mark.
612
00:39:09,460 --> 00:39:11,460
This one here.
613
00:39:11,460 --> 00:39:12,460
Yeah.
614
00:39:15,660 --> 00:39:17,460
Mr Regis?
615
00:39:17,460 --> 00:39:21,300
Mr Regis, it's DI Pulford
and DC Chancellor from the police.
616
00:39:21,300 --> 00:39:23,460
We just want to make sure you're OK.
617
00:39:24,460 --> 00:39:26,460
Mr Regis?
618
00:39:26,460 --> 00:39:27,460
Mr Regis, are you down here?
619
00:39:45,460 --> 00:39:46,460
Rick?
620
00:39:56,460 --> 00:39:58,300
Rick?
621
00:40:02,980 --> 00:40:04,300
Hello, mate.
622
00:40:04,300 --> 00:40:06,460
Do go through.
623
00:40:09,460 --> 00:40:11,460
Oh, Jesus Christ!
624
00:40:13,820 --> 00:40:15,460
Fun and games, eh?
625
00:40:15,460 --> 00:40:16,980
MARK GROANS
626
00:40:16,980 --> 00:40:19,460
Rick, what are you doing?
This is insane!
627
00:40:19,460 --> 00:40:23,460
Do you know what Mark here
did to his victims, the details?
628
00:40:23,460 --> 00:40:25,460
Yeah, I read the files.
He raped her, Will.
629
00:40:25,460 --> 00:40:27,300
I didn't.
630
00:40:27,300 --> 00:40:29,820
When she was 11 years old.
631
00:40:29,820 --> 00:40:35,460
And then, he told her if she went
to the police he'd find out
632
00:40:35,460 --> 00:40:39,820
where she lived and then
rape and kill her mother.
633
00:40:41,980 --> 00:40:44,460
Been a bit of a star at school
up till then.
634
00:40:44,460 --> 00:40:46,460
Six months later, she's
cutting herself, smoking weed.
635
00:40:46,460 --> 00:40:48,500
Now, my little...
636
00:40:49,500 --> 00:40:51,980
Siany...
637
00:40:51,980 --> 00:40:54,460
chose pills.
638
00:40:54,460 --> 00:40:56,460
Becca found her in time.
639
00:40:56,460 --> 00:40:59,460
I'm so sorry, Rick.
640
00:40:59,460 --> 00:41:02,460
I didn't know any of that
till today.
641
00:41:02,460 --> 00:41:05,460
No, well, why should you?
Private matter.
642
00:41:07,460 --> 00:41:11,460
Yeah, so, the thing is, it's not
enough, is it, just to lock them up?
643
00:41:11,460 --> 00:41:12,500
Not even to kill them.
644
00:41:12,500 --> 00:41:16,460
What they really need
to understand is the pain...
645
00:41:18,460 --> 00:41:21,460
so then they can tell
the others like them
646
00:41:21,460 --> 00:41:26,460
what it's like and then maybe,
maybe they'll stop.
647
00:41:26,460 --> 00:41:28,460
Yeah.
648
00:41:28,460 --> 00:41:30,660
I mean, I'm not gonna lie,
it's hard to get it right,
649
00:41:30,660 --> 00:41:33,460
and one of the fuckers
went and died on me,
650
00:41:33,460 --> 00:41:35,300
so I'm gonna go
easy on old Mark here.
651
00:41:35,300 --> 00:41:37,140
Please, please don't.
652
00:41:37,140 --> 00:41:39,460
Rick. Rick!
What do you reckon?
653
00:41:39,460 --> 00:41:40,460
Both feet?
654
00:41:40,460 --> 00:41:43,500
Foot and a hand?
What about Becca and Siany?
655
00:41:43,500 --> 00:41:46,460
Huh? How are they gonna cope?
656
00:41:46,460 --> 00:41:48,460
How are they gonna cope
with the pain
657
00:41:48,460 --> 00:41:50,460
of you been taken away
for a life sentence?
658
00:41:52,300 --> 00:41:54,300
Ah. Already lost me, I'm afraid.
659
00:41:54,300 --> 00:41:56,460
You were wrong about the man flu.
660
00:41:57,460 --> 00:41:59,300
Tumour.
661
00:41:59,300 --> 00:42:01,460
Metastasised,
662
00:42:01,460 --> 00:42:05,460
stage IV as of three weeks ago.
663
00:42:07,460 --> 00:42:09,460
There is no stage V.
664
00:42:09,460 --> 00:42:11,460
'Guv, it's Josie.'
665
00:42:11,460 --> 00:42:13,980
Just wondering where you are.
Call me.
666
00:42:13,980 --> 00:42:16,460
Did he say anything
about where he was going, Ray?
667
00:42:16,460 --> 00:42:18,460
'No, but... Oh, hang on.
668
00:42:18,460 --> 00:42:20,300
'Yeah, there's a post-it
on his desk.
669
00:42:20,300 --> 00:42:21,820
'An address in Poplar.'
670
00:42:23,460 --> 00:42:27,460
It was actually at the Marsden
where I met Bob Jessop,
671
00:42:27,460 --> 00:42:29,460
and we got chatting, as you do.
672
00:42:29,460 --> 00:42:32,460
Found out we were both old bill,
and then one day,
673
00:42:32,460 --> 00:42:36,460
he started to tell me
about the Kashell case.
674
00:42:36,460 --> 00:42:38,460
Course, then I told him all about...
675
00:42:40,660 --> 00:42:44,460
Siany, and...
676
00:42:46,660 --> 00:42:49,460
he suggested we try SCAR
677
00:42:49,460 --> 00:42:52,140
cos Greta and Nico went there,
678
00:42:52,140 --> 00:42:53,660
and then we did.
679
00:42:55,300 --> 00:42:56,460
You know?
680
00:42:56,460 --> 00:42:59,460
We all knew it wasn't enough.
681
00:43:01,460 --> 00:43:02,460
And then...
682
00:43:02,460 --> 00:43:03,660
well,
683
00:43:03,660 --> 00:43:06,460
one day Bob had this idea...
684
00:43:07,820 --> 00:43:10,460
for a rougher type of justice.
685
00:43:10,460 --> 00:43:14,460
After I did what I did
to Statham, I was asked to stop,
686
00:43:14,460 --> 00:43:19,300
but then last month I found out I
only had a few weeks and I thought,
687
00:43:19,300 --> 00:43:20,460
"No, fuck it, let's have some fun."
688
00:43:20,460 --> 00:43:25,460
And then when you rang just now,
well, I thought, "Yeah...
689
00:43:29,460 --> 00:43:31,460
"this is my chance...
690
00:43:34,460 --> 00:43:36,460
"to give something back."
691
00:43:36,460 --> 00:43:38,660
Something back?
692
00:43:38,660 --> 00:43:42,460
A chance for you to see what it
looks like, what it feels like,
693
00:43:42,460 --> 00:43:44,460
proper revenge.
694
00:43:44,460 --> 00:43:46,460
You think I could do
something like this?
695
00:43:46,460 --> 00:43:49,460
If you had the people
who killed your parents
696
00:43:49,460 --> 00:43:52,980
here in this room right now,
yes, mate, I do.
697
00:43:52,980 --> 00:43:55,980
But, eh, there's no point
arguing the toss.
698
00:43:57,460 --> 00:44:00,460
Let's just find out...
699
00:44:00,460 --> 00:44:02,460
what it feels like.
700
00:44:13,460 --> 00:44:14,460
No.
701
00:45:11,500 --> 00:45:13,460
Gov?
702
00:45:13,460 --> 00:45:14,460
Gov!
703
00:45:19,460 --> 00:45:21,460
Sorry, sweetheart.
704
00:45:21,460 --> 00:45:22,460
Will!
705
00:45:22,460 --> 00:45:24,460
Arrgh...
706
00:45:44,460 --> 00:45:45,980
Got it.
707
00:45:45,980 --> 00:45:47,460
Cheers.
708
00:45:47,460 --> 00:45:49,660
They've got Jessop.
709
00:45:49,660 --> 00:45:51,460
Where?
710
00:45:51,460 --> 00:45:52,460
Dover.
711
00:45:55,460 --> 00:45:58,460
How much do you think
they did know? The other families?
712
00:46:14,500 --> 00:46:16,460
Enough.
713
00:46:17,460 --> 00:46:18,820
Bring 'em in.
714
00:46:20,460 --> 00:46:22,460
All of them.
715
00:46:37,140 --> 00:46:43,820
Listen, um... if you and Paolo
ever need any time to yourself,
716
00:46:43,820 --> 00:46:47,460
I mean, then Harry can always
come and stay at mine.
717
00:46:47,460 --> 00:46:50,500
I mean, I'll take leave, I'll do
whatever needs to be done
718
00:46:50,500 --> 00:46:54,460
just to make sure that
his well-being
719
00:46:54,460 --> 00:46:56,460
was our number one priority.
720
00:47:00,460 --> 00:47:02,460
We'll be fine.
721
00:47:02,460 --> 00:47:04,460
Thank you.
722
00:47:10,460 --> 00:47:12,460
Bye, Uncle Will.
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