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LADY: Sid Vicious,
who's real name
is John Simon Ritchie,
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was arraigned today
on charges of murder.
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He said he felt sick.
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His manager was told
that bailing him out
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pending trial
would be extremely difficult.
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He's an alien,
he's not employed.
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And he's given to violent
outbursts of temper.
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But his manager said,
and I quote,
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"Underneath
that tough exterior,
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"there was a real nice guy."
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[ WHEN I DIE PLAYING]
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* Yes, I've been without
Been down and out
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* Out on a limb
With nowhere to go
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* I was told it would be
One less thing on my mind
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* Not to worry about
All the paying out
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* The piles of bills
And final demands
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* They'd all be sorted
When I die
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* I was going off the rails
No matter how I tried
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* If all else fails failed
And part of me just died *
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Sid Vicious
will not have to stand trial
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for the murder of a girlfriend
at the Chelsea Hotel.
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Sid is no longer vicious,
he's dead.
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His nude body found in
a Greenwich Village apartment.
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Spoon and syringe nearby.
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* Then my luck came in
I got a lucky win
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* Hundreds of thousands
And thousands of friends
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* Had no more
Worries for a time
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LADY REPORTER: Yesterday,
police found him
there in room 100.
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And on the bathroom floor
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they found the 20-year-old
American girl
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he'd lived with for two years.
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* Can't take it with you
When you die
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* I was back on happy trails
I didn't have to try *
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MALE REPORTER: Sid Vicious
was awaiting trial
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for the murder of his
girlfriend, Nancy Spungen.
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It was a murder
so horrific in detail,
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only a very sick mind could
have lived with the reality.
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The police had no doubt
about the murderer.
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"We have the figurative
smoking gun", they said.
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[ SICK CITY SOMETIMES PLAYING]
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* It's a complicated day
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* Busy people on their way
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I've always felt
that Sid didn't kill Nancy.
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Sid thought he did it.
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He actually confessed
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to Joe Stevens
that he thought he did it.
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DON: The last time I saw them,
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Sid's got this knife
about yeah long,
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and he's sort of
sticking Nancy with it.
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Just gently but, you know,
she's like, "Ow, Sid,
that hurt."
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So, I was like, "Sid,
be careful,
someone's gonna get hurt.
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I think he did it,
in a moment of madness.
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Which Sid obviously
won't remember
because of what he was on.
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* Sick city sometimes
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* Sick city in your mind
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* Sick city sometimes
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* Sick city
Left you way behind *
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If you've ever been
a heroin addict,
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and live with a girlfriend
that was also a heroin addict,
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it's hard, I think,
for most people to understand
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the dynamic
of how much they lived it.
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It doesn't matter
how much you love somebody.
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That all goes out the window
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when there's drugs involved.
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I'm gonna be very honest here,
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I was sucked
into heroin thing myself.
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* Sick city sometimes
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* Sick city in your mind
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* Sick city sometimes
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KRIS: Probably more fighting
would go on between the couple,
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because I would've gone
out to go rat
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someone's ass to the cops
and then,
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creamed off a bit
on the way home for themselves.
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STURGIS: If there's one bag,
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and they both need
that one bag to get straight,
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because you're sick,
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somebody could get hurt.
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KRIS: You get sneaky,
devious with the one you love,
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but you love them to bits,
but you'd still steal
their drugs.
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Um, this did go on
with Sid and Nancy.
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And both young,
and narcotics were involved.
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A lethal combination.
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KRIS: What he was on,
he could easily had, you know,
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it really could have
happened that way.
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* Sick city sometimes
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* Sick city in your mind
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* Sick city sometimes
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They were both in the nod.
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Having been in a few myself,
I'd say he had one of them.
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I mean, it was just a bit
worse than usual.
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He wasn't aware
of what was happening,
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woke up, she was dead.
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This is like a nightmare,
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this is like right out
of the Twilight Zone episode.
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You wake up, there's a knife,
a pool of blood,
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and you're girlfriend's
in the bathroom,
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stabbed to death.
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Well, anybody's gonna think,
"What did I do last night?"
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It was too easy just to blame
Sid in the beginning,
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and not follow the case up.
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I mean, it's amazing
when we think back now,
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that the case
wasn't followed up,
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most of it. [MUMBLING]
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Everybody just assumed
that he was guilty.
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Police didn't give a fuck.
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When he died, they went on
like, "That's tidy."
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Boom, who gives a fuck?
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That's how junkies will just
kill themselves, and...
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Who gives a fuck?
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One thing I know for sure
is he certainly didn't do it.
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Sid never, would never
have done that.
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And I know that
in my heart of hearts.
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[LIE IN BED PLAYING]
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* Lying on the floor
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* Dreams in your head
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* Is there anymore
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* Reasons to be dead
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* When I-I-I...
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* Lie in bed
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NARRATOR:
In the evidence photos,
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there's a large TV about
two feet in front of the door,
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which may or may not
impede entrance.
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There are mattresses
around the room
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for at least three people.
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There's a very clear
blood-stained hand print
on one of them.
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And yet in the police file
there is no mention of this.
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And for the record,
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the bed that Sid
was passed out on,
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isn't the one
with the hand print.
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According
to the police evidence file,
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there were only four
of Sid's fingerprints
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in the entire room.
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Nancy was stabbed
once in the abdomen,
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and it took her
around three hours to pass out,
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and bleed to death.
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Which means that
after she was stabbed,
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she would have been capable
of getting to the room door,
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screaming for help.
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So, why did she decide
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to make her way
to the bathroom
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to certain death?
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In all the NYPD police reports
and statements
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the murder weapon,
the Jaguar K-11 hunting knife,
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is left on top of an open
suitcase next to the door.
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Wiped clean of any fingerprints
or traces of blood.
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ALAN: Detective Kilroy was one
of the arresting officers
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when Sid was arrested.
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I think,
he was never convinced
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it was more than just some mad,
junkie murder.
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As far as he was concerned,
it was a smoking gun case.
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He'd walked in.
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He'd found his killer.
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Uh, Sid had "guilty-man"
written all over him.
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Even though they had
to slap him around and get him,
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something like conscious
to read him his rights.
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NARRATOR: In the police report
there's an account
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of Sid's response
to questioning on the scene.
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It's full of contradictions.
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First, he states
he didn't know
what happened to Nancy,
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claiming he didn't stab her.
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Sid also claims
that he took Tuinal
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and slept the night through.
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He then confesses
to the murder,
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saying that they had
an argument.
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Finally, he tells police
it must have been an accident.
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Sid also explains
to the police,
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that when he initially found
Nancy in the bathroom,
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she was still breathing.
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And, after washing blood
from her,
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he went to the clinic
to get her methadone.
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He called the police
on his return.
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PETER: Sid was
oblivious to it all.
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I mean, he even got up
in the morning,
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and went
to the methadone clinic.
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That had to be in
the early morning, I think,
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the methadone clinic opens
at 6:00 or something like that.
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He got his methadone
and came back
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before he realized
that she was dead.
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That's how, sort of,
far-removed he was.
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[PEOPLE WHISPERING]
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[GAVEL STRIKING]
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STEVE: Malcolm was there.
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His mother was there.
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And, um, he got bailed.
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Pretty soon after,
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he got bailed out,
I remember seeing him, um,
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down at Max's Kansas City
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that particular night
that he actually got out.
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There was a little
back-slapping,
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and, "Nice to see you Sid,"
and all this from everybody.
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Obviously, from the way
he acted over those days,
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uh, seemed getting him
into trouble again.
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He obviously
wasn't in a good state.
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POLICE: What would you
like to have now?
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I'd like to have fun.
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What sort of fun?
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Any kind of fun, just fun.
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That is my object in life.
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Are you having fun
at the moment?
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You kidding?
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I'm not having fun at all.
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Where would you
like to be?
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Under the ground.
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Are you serious?
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Oh, yeah.
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I mean, it was, you know,
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silly just to let him out
on the streets,
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and, "Where's he gonna go?"
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He's gonna go
looking for drugs,
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he's gonna, you know,
go to the night clubs,
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and hang out in places
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where people are just going
to encourage him
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to get into some more trouble.
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[PEOPLE SHOUTING]
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[BOTTLE SMASHING]
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Yeah, we decided to go out.
Sid wanted to go out.
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I mean, it was about...
We had to get out.
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He was stir-crazy.
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So we went...
Decided to go to Hurrah's.
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I mean, it was empty
and there was a band playing
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really, really loud.
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There's a scuffle
to my right,
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and I'm like,
"What's going on?"
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Sid out of nowhere,
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I mean, completely out of
context with everything,
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smashes the glass
on this guy's face.
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There's glass flying
and Peter's going, "Oh, fuck."
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I grab him
and we drag him out.
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And we're just running.
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And we're running out
into the street,
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I mean, people are chasing us,
screaming, shouting.
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I'm like,
"What the fuck happened?"
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You know, "Sid just broke
a freaking glass in..."
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We didn't know who it was.
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Patti Smith's brother,
of course.
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From what people told me,
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I know Patti Smith's brother
was a buffoon
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and probably deserved anything
that happened to him.
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That guy was just
some drunk moron
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who, you know,
it was the straw that broke
the camel's back, I think.
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It's stupid, but
a 21-year-old crazy boy,
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does something
and he goes back to jail.
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He didn't think
about that.
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End of it.
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So much for protecting Sid.
[LAUGHING]
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But he was like that,
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he could go off
at any moment around,
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and that was the thing,
it was a little bit...
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You were always like,
"Oh, let's go out,
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"oh, what's gonna happen now."
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Vicious is in a detention cell
at the Manhattan Criminal
Court building
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waiting for friends
to post $50,000 bail.
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Sid was due in court
on the first of February.
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Um, a really good lawyer
had been hired by now,
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James Merberg.
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At the expense
of Virgin Records
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and the deal that
Malcolm had done
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for an album that
they were gonna record.
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What no one understood
is just how good Merberg was.
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The assumption that glittered
in his management office was
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that it would take at least
until the 3rd or 4th
of February,
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to get Sid released
on the new bail
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that Virgin had posted for him.
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Merberg goes in there,
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in the morning on the first
and by lunchtime
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it's all wrapped up
and done and dusted.
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And so, Sid is released
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into the waiting arms of
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his mother, Anne Beverley,
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and his new girlfriend,
Michelle Robinson.
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I happened to know
Michelle Robinson since
long before, um, Sid...
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She was around in the days
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when I was working
with David Bowie.
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ALAN: She had a big fixation
on Sid for a long time
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and she knew Nancy
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from before Nancy
went to England.
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The new girlfriend, you know,
that was quick.
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Um, very quickly that one.
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But, you know,
he needed somebody.
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He needed
that sort of emotional prop.
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And she fit the bill.
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She was a little bit like
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the old brand of groupies.
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She always dressed candid.
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In those days, kind of
in a semi-SNM kind of way.
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Lot of leather,
lot of high heels,
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lot of hair,
huge amounts of make-up.
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She was very glamorous.
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She had a very,
very aggressive personality.
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And Sid was like the prize.
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No matter what condition,
he was Sid Vicious.
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He was the trophy.
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And they wanted him.
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Ultimately if he would've,
you know, not met his
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untimely demise,
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that was a good situation
for him.
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It really was.
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We thought he was getting out
that day and, um...
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We were going to wait and see
if he was getting out,
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and then have a party.
[LAUGHING]
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Whee!
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I'd gone down
to the courthouse
with, um, Terry Ork.
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Somebody comes up to me,
he goes,"Oh, you appeal today."
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He goes... I didn't
recognize the person.
305
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He goes... He says,
306
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"You're friend's gonna be
getting out in a minute."
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You know, we're friends of Sid.
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So, he says,
"If you go downstairs,
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"he should coming out
in the next half hour."
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I think his mother...
I bumped into his mother next.
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And within like 5-10 minutes,
there was Sid.
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After that, then we,
you know, were out the door,
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were out the back door
of the courthouse
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on to the streets.
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ALAN: During interviews
with Sid's mother for my book,
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she made it plainly obvious
317
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that both
herself and Malcolm
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had talked to him
regarding a possible future.
319
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But he seemed to be stuck
in a mantra
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regarding joining his Nancy.
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[ EARLY GRAVE PLAYING]
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* To the man
323
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* To the man
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* Of an early grave
325
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So, you know, like any junkie,
326
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uh, you know,
he wanted to get high.
327
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You know what I mean,
that's the first...
328
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Your first thought always.
329
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What a great time
to get high when you're clean.
330
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PETER: I think his mother
picked up some drugs for Sid
331
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and Sid's like, "Have you
got them, you've got them?"
332
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And anyway we go
to the hotel...
333
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We go to this place
where Anne's staying
334
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and he does the drugs
and of course
they are absolutely rubbish.
335
00:14:22,867 --> 00:14:25,400
At this point, you know,
Sid had asked me,
336
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"Oh, can you get me anything,
can you get me anything?"
337
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I'm in a bit of two minds
about what to do.
338
00:14:30,333 --> 00:14:32,367
So anyway I say,
"I'll see what I can do."
339
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I had other things
I had to do that day.
340
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I was, at that point,
living with, uh,
341
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two French hookers,
342
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who were actually heroin
dealers up on 15th street.
343
00:14:40,600 --> 00:14:43,167
But they came out,
he came out with Peter,
344
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looking to score.
345
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And after the fiasco
at Hurrah
346
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with the pain
and the glasses...
347
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I think... I just...
348
00:14:49,800 --> 00:14:51,733
My whole thing...
We knew he was coming over.
349
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It was like we talked.
There was a whole
bunch of us like,
350
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"Let's not sell him anything."
351
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So, the usual channels
were, um, I would...
352
00:15:00,333 --> 00:15:03,330
New people were
probably dealing in it.
353
00:15:03,670 --> 00:15:08,330
Um, nobody really wanted to,
um, get involved.
354
00:15:08,670 --> 00:15:13,533
We had some shit,
but we decided
not to give him any.
355
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So, he came over
looking for that.
356
00:15:15,333 --> 00:15:18,500
And we said, "No, Sid,
we're looking for ourselves."
357
00:15:18,533 --> 00:15:20,833
I don't think
we did a very convincing job.
358
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'Cause I could tell.
359
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He hung his head and went,
"All right, guys." And left.
360
00:15:25,100 --> 00:15:27,433
And that was the last time
I saw him alive.
361
00:15:34,367 --> 00:15:37,300
At that time I felt
like I was doing him a favor.
362
00:15:37,333 --> 00:15:38,767
But then now I wish I'd said,
363
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"Now come
and see what'll I do."
364
00:15:40,633 --> 00:15:43,467
You know, now I feel
like I made a mistake then.
365
00:15:43,500 --> 00:15:46,167
And that's when Peter
was dispatched
366
00:15:46,200 --> 00:15:48,367
by Anne, with Anne's money,
367
00:15:48,400 --> 00:15:51,367
to go and get some more
drugs for Sid.
368
00:15:51,400 --> 00:15:53,400
PETER: Somehow I got
in touch with this woman,
369
00:15:53,433 --> 00:15:54,833
who I didn't know at all.
370
00:15:54,867 --> 00:15:58,670
And somebody had given me
her as a contact.
371
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I went down to see her.
372
00:16:00,333 --> 00:16:04,700
And I got what
I'd been asked to pick up.
373
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ALAN: The things,
what did come back with Peter,
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00:16:06,833 --> 00:16:08,367
was beyond good.
375
00:16:08,400 --> 00:16:10,233
It was, you know, I think...
376
00:16:10,267 --> 00:16:13,200
It said it was 98% proof
or something.
377
00:16:13,233 --> 00:16:14,600
Which is too pure
for the human body
378
00:16:14,633 --> 00:16:16,300
in any state basically.
379
00:16:16,333 --> 00:16:19,670
About two days later,
380
00:16:19,100 --> 00:16:21,733
I tried to get in touch
with this woman again,
381
00:16:21,767 --> 00:16:25,330
and, uh, this woman
had disappeared.
382
00:16:26,100 --> 00:16:27,633
She was no longer
383
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at the place where I'd met her,
at the apartment I'd met her.
384
00:16:31,333 --> 00:16:33,433
And was nowhere
to be found, really.
385
00:16:33,467 --> 00:16:34,667
I never saw her again.
386
00:16:35,367 --> 00:16:37,167
[PEOPLE CHATTERING]
387
00:16:40,367 --> 00:16:41,433
Oh, my God!
388
00:16:42,333 --> 00:16:43,400
Oh, my...
389
00:16:43,433 --> 00:16:45,200
REPORTER: Donna Floria lived
just across the hall
390
00:16:45,233 --> 00:16:47,467
from the apartment
in which the singer died.
391
00:16:47,500 --> 00:16:50,167
But she would not say whether
she was among the eight people
392
00:16:50,200 --> 00:16:52,300
who attended last night's
party for Sid Vicious.
393
00:16:53,400 --> 00:16:54,533
I was invited to that...
394
00:16:55,300 --> 00:16:57,670
"Party."
395
00:16:57,100 --> 00:16:59,300
Which wasn't really a party,
it was just a few people.
396
00:16:59,333 --> 00:17:01,670
There weren't even
that many people.
397
00:17:01,100 --> 00:17:03,333
Michelle asked
if I could get heroin.
398
00:17:03,367 --> 00:17:05,433
I was like, "I'm not a dealer."
399
00:17:05,467 --> 00:17:07,467
You know, "No, I don't know."
400
00:17:07,500 --> 00:17:09,533
"Well, you're invited
anyway, come.
401
00:17:09,567 --> 00:17:12,333
"You know, Sid's out,"
and da-da, da-da, da...
402
00:17:12,367 --> 00:17:13,833
And, I said,
403
00:17:13,867 --> 00:17:16,100
"Nah, too exhausting for me."
404
00:17:16,133 --> 00:17:18,600
Yeah, it was me
and, like, my best friend
405
00:17:18,633 --> 00:17:20,600
and there was Jerry Only
from the Misfits.
406
00:17:21,700 --> 00:17:25,333
Um, and Eileen, three of us.
407
00:17:25,367 --> 00:17:30,300
And then just Michelle
and Anne and Sid, that was it.
408
00:17:30,333 --> 00:17:32,333
MAN: Who was in the flat
when you got back?
409
00:17:32,367 --> 00:17:36,700
Just, uh, Sid's mother,
Sid and Michelle
410
00:17:36,733 --> 00:17:39,633
And I went to the apartment
probably at about...
411
00:17:39,667 --> 00:17:42,100
I would say no earlier
than about 7:00
412
00:17:42,133 --> 00:17:44,267
and no later than about 8:30.
413
00:17:44,300 --> 00:17:47,100
No one came in, they came by.
414
00:17:47,133 --> 00:17:50,100
You know, to make deliveries,
but they didn't come in.
415
00:17:50,133 --> 00:17:52,200
I don't know
what they said, but...
416
00:17:52,233 --> 00:17:55,300
I was there until
about 1:32 in the morning.
417
00:17:55,333 --> 00:17:58,467
HOWIE: None of us had ever
mentioned Peter Kodick's name,
418
00:17:58,500 --> 00:18:01,567
I always left that out because
419
00:18:01,600 --> 00:18:03,767
I didn't know where he is
or what trouble he was in.
420
00:18:03,800 --> 00:18:06,167
I didn't want to make
his life miserable,
421
00:18:06,200 --> 00:18:08,670
and just in case, you know.
422
00:18:08,100 --> 00:18:11,330
ALAN: Twenty-nine
and three-quarter years later.
423
00:18:11,670 --> 00:18:13,133
That's 63 Bank street.
424
00:18:13,167 --> 00:18:15,233
HOWIE: Weirdsville.
425
00:18:15,267 --> 00:18:17,100
I remember it
a little differently.
426
00:18:17,133 --> 00:18:19,167
It doesn't resemble.
427
00:18:19,200 --> 00:18:21,133
HOWIE: I thought this was...
428
00:18:21,167 --> 00:18:23,833
I think the living room came
more up to here maybe.
429
00:18:23,867 --> 00:18:26,833
The living room was right up
next to the kitchen.
430
00:18:26,867 --> 00:18:28,667
ALAN: It was like a small...
431
00:18:28,700 --> 00:18:31,833
What would you call it,
probably like bed steps.
432
00:18:31,867 --> 00:18:33,633
Um, the apartment in New York.
433
00:18:33,667 --> 00:18:37,333
And there was a big...
There was a couch
going along here.
434
00:18:38,433 --> 00:18:41,133
And nothing here.
435
00:18:41,167 --> 00:18:44,433
'Cause I remember
when those guys came
through the door,
436
00:18:44,467 --> 00:18:46,800
you could see them
from sitting here, you know.
437
00:18:46,833 --> 00:18:49,667
PETER: There is, what you call
a front room,
438
00:18:49,700 --> 00:18:51,400
with a kitchen in it.
439
00:18:51,433 --> 00:18:52,767
And a bathroom, that was it.
440
00:18:53,633 --> 00:18:55,233
[GASPS] Wow!
441
00:18:56,367 --> 00:18:57,567
This is the same.
442
00:18:59,133 --> 00:19:00,133
Wow!
443
00:19:02,500 --> 00:19:06,133
I mean, basically
small, small bedroom.
444
00:19:06,167 --> 00:19:08,633
She had a bed where
her and Sid were lying.
445
00:19:08,667 --> 00:19:10,233
Very, very weird.
446
00:19:10,267 --> 00:19:12,800
I mean, it's so similar
'cause it's really dark.
447
00:19:12,833 --> 00:19:16,200
And I remember it
being really dark and, uh...
448
00:19:18,600 --> 00:19:20,767
This is all very, very similar.
449
00:19:20,800 --> 00:19:23,667
REPORTER: The police say
they were told
by the victim's girlfriend
450
00:19:23,700 --> 00:19:26,833
that his last hours were spent
looking towards the future.
451
00:19:26,867 --> 00:19:30,200
HOWIE: He was just in
really amazing spirits.
452
00:19:30,233 --> 00:19:31,667
PETER: We were laughing
at certain things.
453
00:19:31,700 --> 00:19:33,433
Malcolm had sent him
a list of the songs
454
00:19:33,467 --> 00:19:35,533
that he wanted him
to do for the album.
455
00:19:35,567 --> 00:19:37,833
I knew there was the ones
that The Clash ended up doing,
456
00:19:37,867 --> 00:19:40,600
like, "I fought the law
and the law won," and, uh...
457
00:19:40,633 --> 00:19:44,167
I remember one that was on...
It was YMCA,
458
00:19:44,200 --> 00:19:49,133
which we thought,
highly unusual,
and a bit amusing.
459
00:19:49,167 --> 00:19:51,233
And we were going through
the list, laughing at that.
460
00:19:51,267 --> 00:19:53,300
HOWIE: He was really happy
to see everybody
461
00:19:53,333 --> 00:19:57,467
and talking and we
were listening to
New York Dolls records
462
00:19:57,500 --> 00:19:59,500
and he was jumping around
playing air guitar,
463
00:19:59,533 --> 00:20:01,733
being funny
and telling jokes and...
464
00:20:01,767 --> 00:20:05,667
It was really
an incredible thing for me
465
00:20:05,700 --> 00:20:07,433
to see the real side of him.
466
00:20:07,467 --> 00:20:09,733
He was talking
about going upstate,
467
00:20:09,767 --> 00:20:11,567
clearing his name up,
468
00:20:11,600 --> 00:20:14,367
doing this record and...
469
00:20:14,400 --> 00:20:15,667
He had a lot
on his shoulders,
470
00:20:15,700 --> 00:20:19,467
but it was pretty positive.
471
00:20:19,500 --> 00:20:23,633
INTERVIEWER: Another
distinction you have is
being the other person,
472
00:20:23,667 --> 00:20:25,733
who did the same stuff
473
00:20:25,767 --> 00:20:29,533
the night that he OD'd.
Yeah, yeah, that's true.
474
00:20:29,567 --> 00:20:33,800
And, I OD'd that night also.
Did that come from...
475
00:20:33,833 --> 00:20:35,767
Did that come
from your regular dealer?
476
00:20:35,800 --> 00:20:38,600
No, it was a friend of ours,
477
00:20:38,633 --> 00:20:41,433
uh, that flew in
from England.
478
00:20:41,467 --> 00:20:44,733
Soon as I shot this dope, man,
it was fucking strong.
479
00:20:44,767 --> 00:20:46,333
I knew it as soon as I shot it.
480
00:20:46,367 --> 00:20:50,670
I walked out of the bathroom,
I said, "I think this is it."
481
00:20:50,100 --> 00:20:53,300
And Sheila just said...
I heard Sheila going,
482
00:20:53,333 --> 00:20:54,800
"Don't die in my apartment."
483
00:20:54,833 --> 00:20:56,733
I said, "Shut the fuck up."
484
00:20:56,767 --> 00:21:00,333
And next thing I knew,
it was four hours later.
485
00:21:00,367 --> 00:21:02,267
I wouldn't say it was his fault.
486
00:21:02,300 --> 00:21:03,800
He told you it was strong.
487
00:21:03,833 --> 00:21:05,333
Yes, he did.
Mm-hmm.
488
00:21:05,367 --> 00:21:07,633
And he didn't hold
a gun to my head.
489
00:21:08,100 --> 00:21:09,267
I took it.
490
00:21:10,300 --> 00:21:12,533
I took it with a smile
on my face.
491
00:21:12,567 --> 00:21:15,633
About 12:00 Sid Vicious
shot up some heroin,
492
00:21:15,667 --> 00:21:17,533
and he had a reaction to it,
493
00:21:17,567 --> 00:21:20,600
which he came out of
about 45 minutes later.
494
00:21:20,633 --> 00:21:23,767
And then about 2:00,
he laid down
495
00:21:23,800 --> 00:21:25,433
to go to sleep.
496
00:21:25,467 --> 00:21:27,670
He'd taken too much.
497
00:21:29,233 --> 00:21:31,767
He sort of passed out.
498
00:21:32,833 --> 00:21:35,100
We revived him.
499
00:21:35,133 --> 00:21:39,667
And then it was
a good few hours,
I was there after.
500
00:21:39,700 --> 00:21:42,367
And by the time I left,
he was okay.
501
00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:45,400
HOWIE: I remember
that it became a real bummer
502
00:21:45,433 --> 00:21:47,333
and we left for a while.
503
00:21:47,367 --> 00:21:48,600
Sid had asked me
if there was anymore,
504
00:21:48,633 --> 00:21:50,133
and I told him,
"No, there's not any left."
505
00:21:50,167 --> 00:21:53,330
I said, "It's all gone,
you've done it all."
506
00:21:53,670 --> 00:21:55,433
And what was left
I gave to his mother.
507
00:21:55,467 --> 00:21:56,833
And I told her, like,
508
00:21:56,867 --> 00:21:59,633
"No way give him
anymore of this tonight.
509
00:21:59,667 --> 00:22:02,100
"You know,
give him this tomorrow."
510
00:22:02,133 --> 00:22:05,333
The significance
of detoxification
511
00:22:05,367 --> 00:22:08,733
is that if a drug user
detoxifies
512
00:22:08,767 --> 00:22:11,633
and uses the same dose
he was used to,
513
00:22:11,667 --> 00:22:13,000
it can be lethal.
514
00:22:13,800 --> 00:22:15,767
So the detoxification program
515
00:22:15,800 --> 00:22:18,467
takes the drug user
off the drug,
516
00:22:18,500 --> 00:22:21,400
but also removes
whatever tolerance
517
00:22:21,433 --> 00:22:23,133
or immunity he has
for the drug.
518
00:22:23,167 --> 00:22:24,733
Then the phone rang,
519
00:22:24,767 --> 00:22:26,367
it was Pam Brown.
520
00:22:26,800 --> 00:22:28,367
And...
521
00:22:29,633 --> 00:22:31,800
She asked me if I saw the news.
522
00:22:31,833 --> 00:22:34,100
I said, "Nah,
I didn't see very much."
523
00:22:34,133 --> 00:22:36,300
And she said, " Sid died."
524
00:22:37,633 --> 00:22:38,800
I knew it was the same dope,
525
00:22:38,833 --> 00:22:40,667
and then I found out
that's what it was.
526
00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:43,400
[ROCK MUSIC PLAYING]
527
00:22:52,133 --> 00:22:53,533
My first reaction was,
528
00:22:53,567 --> 00:22:54,667
"hot shot."
529
00:22:54,700 --> 00:22:56,100
Well, they got a batch
530
00:22:56,133 --> 00:22:58,667
that I think
was particularly good.
531
00:22:58,700 --> 00:23:00,233
LEEE: The stories now told
532
00:23:00,267 --> 00:23:02,800
are that it was heroin
that was just too pure.
533
00:23:02,833 --> 00:23:05,133
But then that was also
a very common way
534
00:23:05,167 --> 00:23:06,700
of hot shoting someone.
535
00:23:06,733 --> 00:23:08,300
REPORTER: All I know for now
536
00:23:08,333 --> 00:23:10,500
is that he'd been asleep with
companion Michelle Robinson
537
00:23:10,533 --> 00:23:12,330
at the time of his death.
538
00:23:13,100 --> 00:23:14,500
She's an unemployed actress
539
00:23:14,533 --> 00:23:15,733
who was hustled
away from the scene
540
00:23:15,767 --> 00:23:17,533
along with the victim's mother.
541
00:23:17,567 --> 00:23:20,330
The whole idea,
his mother gave him something,
542
00:23:20,670 --> 00:23:21,367
I don't believe that.
543
00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:22,700
I don't believe that.
544
00:23:22,733 --> 00:23:25,133
The only people who can say
the God's honest truth
545
00:23:25,167 --> 00:23:27,500
about what went on
in Bank Street that night,
546
00:23:27,533 --> 00:23:29,400
one is Sid, and he's dead,
547
00:23:29,433 --> 00:23:32,133
one is Anne, and she's dead,
and one is Michelle,
548
00:23:32,167 --> 00:23:34,167
and she doesn't even answer
to that name anymore.
549
00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:35,767
Whether he took more,
550
00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:38,667
whether there were
other things like
pills involved,
551
00:23:38,700 --> 00:23:42,233
God alone knows. But we know
he'd overdosed once that night,
552
00:23:42,267 --> 00:23:44,233
he OD'd finally
somewhere in the night,
553
00:23:44,267 --> 00:23:47,167
and the next morning,
Sid Vicious was dead.
554
00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:48,800
HOWIE: I was here once,
555
00:23:48,833 --> 00:23:52,200
for six or seven hours,
ever in my life.
556
00:23:52,233 --> 00:23:54,467
Thirty years ago.
With this thing
557
00:23:54,500 --> 00:23:56,767
that happened here
that impacted my entire life,
558
00:23:56,800 --> 00:23:58,233
I could never touch it.
559
00:23:58,267 --> 00:23:59,400
You know what I mean.
560
00:23:59,433 --> 00:24:01,767
And now, I'm standing in it.
561
00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:05,367
So, that's really, really odd.
562
00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:08,733
NARRATOR: The day after
Sid's death, his mother,
Anne Beverly,
563
00:24:08,767 --> 00:24:12,133
found this note in the pocket
of her son's jeans.
564
00:24:12,167 --> 00:24:13,800
It seems to point
to a death pact
565
00:24:13,833 --> 00:24:15,433
between Sid and Nancy
566
00:24:15,467 --> 00:24:18,100
which apparently had existed
since the previous summer.
567
00:24:19,267 --> 00:24:21,733
It was meant to happen.
568
00:24:21,767 --> 00:24:25,100
Nancy always said she'd die
before she was 21.
569
00:24:25,133 --> 00:24:28,233
I think I was the...
What they now call
a "self harmer".
570
00:24:28,267 --> 00:24:30,833
In them days
it was called stupid.
571
00:24:30,867 --> 00:24:33,133
I think it was
an inspiration to Sid as well.
572
00:24:33,167 --> 00:24:35,267
And of course,
he had to do bigger
573
00:24:35,300 --> 00:24:36,733
and better and went further.
574
00:24:36,767 --> 00:24:39,200
The last major British
magazine interview
575
00:24:39,233 --> 00:24:40,267
the pair of them did
576
00:24:40,300 --> 00:24:41,600
was for the
Record Mirror.
577
00:24:41,633 --> 00:24:43,767
That was March-April '78.
578
00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:45,330
They were already
telling people
579
00:24:45,670 --> 00:24:46,700
they'd got a suicide pact.
580
00:24:46,733 --> 00:24:49,433
Nancy, by all accounts,
had been telling people,
581
00:24:49,467 --> 00:24:51,100
before she even came to England,
582
00:24:51,133 --> 00:24:52,500
that she'd never make 21.
583
00:24:52,533 --> 00:24:55,670
STEVE: There was always
a sort of faintness,
584
00:24:55,100 --> 00:24:58,367
a sort of acceptance,
you know,
"Live fast die young,"
585
00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:01,167
and he wasn't going
to see very much old age.
586
00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:03,167
She definitely
had like that thing.
587
00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:05,000
I think she just
brought him into it.
588
00:25:05,733 --> 00:25:07,670
Like death wish.
589
00:25:07,100 --> 00:25:08,667
I remember going
into the kitchen one day,
590
00:25:08,700 --> 00:25:11,700
and Nancy was there
with her hand over a bowl.
591
00:25:12,633 --> 00:25:14,333
She cut her wrist.
592
00:25:14,367 --> 00:25:15,567
Eating her ice cream.
593
00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:17,300
"Okay, all right, Nancy.
What are you doing?"
594
00:25:17,333 --> 00:25:19,330
"Sid doesn't love me anymore."
595
00:25:19,670 --> 00:25:21,100
"All right, I'll come back.
I'm just gonna
put the kettle on."
596
00:25:21,133 --> 00:25:23,267
You know, it was just
total play-acting.
597
00:25:23,300 --> 00:25:25,670
The philosophical answer
598
00:25:25,100 --> 00:25:27,330
and probably the only answer
I can give you
599
00:25:27,670 --> 00:25:29,700
with any authority
is Nancy killed Nancy.
600
00:25:29,733 --> 00:25:33,567
HOWIE: I kinda feel like
the most logical
conclusion to me
601
00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:35,100
is that she just did it herself
602
00:25:35,133 --> 00:25:36,700
as some kind of, you know...
603
00:25:38,233 --> 00:25:40,667
That's what people
like that do, you know.
604
00:25:40,700 --> 00:25:43,200
Like teenagers who cut
themselves, you know.
605
00:25:43,233 --> 00:25:44,533
NEON: I lost a friend.
606
00:25:44,567 --> 00:25:46,267
Person that I'd known
for a long time.
607
00:25:46,300 --> 00:25:47,700
Drug addiction's a disease.
608
00:25:47,733 --> 00:25:50,167
It's like being mad
at somebody for having cancer.
609
00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:52,600
You know, it's like,
it's a disease.
610
00:25:52,633 --> 00:25:54,767
[ TERMINAL PLAYING]
611
00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:11,300
NARRATOR: With the death
of Sid Vicious,
NYPD closed the case
612
00:26:11,333 --> 00:26:13,500
believing he was the murderer.
613
00:26:13,533 --> 00:26:16,333
No further investigation
has ever taken place.
614
00:26:16,367 --> 00:26:19,167
But the police all treated
this like, "Who cares,
615
00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:20,767
"it's just another
dead junkie.
616
00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:23,733
"You know, we got better
things to do with our time."
617
00:26:23,767 --> 00:26:26,233
And this guy's
name was Vicious.
618
00:26:26,267 --> 00:26:29,367
Um, you know,
he was supposedly violent,
619
00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:30,833
You know, of course,
he killed his girlfriend.
620
00:26:30,867 --> 00:26:32,667
They never thought
twice about it.
621
00:26:32,700 --> 00:26:35,400
Nobody ever followed up on it.
622
00:26:35,433 --> 00:26:39,500
It's like Sid got out,
Sid OD'd and end of story?
623
00:26:39,533 --> 00:26:41,533
Is that really what happened?
624
00:26:42,300 --> 00:26:44,100
Is that, just, you know...
625
00:26:44,133 --> 00:26:47,533
Might as well just leave it
at that, who cares.
626
00:26:47,567 --> 00:26:49,670
ALAN: Anne Beverly
was a character.
627
00:26:49,100 --> 00:26:50,633
Anne Beverly was very Bohemian.
628
00:26:50,667 --> 00:26:53,467
I first was introduced
to her in 1984.
629
00:26:53,500 --> 00:26:56,300
And we talked
about doing a book
630
00:26:56,333 --> 00:26:58,167
about her son.
631
00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:00,800
And then Alex Cox's movie
came along, Sid and Nancy,
632
00:27:00,833 --> 00:27:03,367
which played
two significant roles.
633
00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:06,670
It postponed the book
for about three or four years.
634
00:27:06,100 --> 00:27:09,800
And it allowed me
and Anne to get closer,
635
00:27:09,833 --> 00:27:12,567
and for her to tell me
an awful lot more about Sid.
636
00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:14,300
[ TERMINAL PLAYING]
637
00:27:19,433 --> 00:27:22,500
GEORGE: The fact that Sid's
mother killed herself
638
00:27:22,533 --> 00:27:24,567
the same year
that the Sex Pistols re-formed
639
00:27:26,467 --> 00:27:28,267
is probably a coincidence.
640
00:27:28,300 --> 00:27:30,533
ALAN: You know, we all
woke up one morning
641
00:27:30,567 --> 00:27:32,433
and we had a letter
in the post.
642
00:27:32,467 --> 00:27:34,433
David Ross, Sid's cousin
had a letter
643
00:27:34,467 --> 00:27:36,500
that had a check
in it for ten grand
644
00:27:36,533 --> 00:27:38,300
to organize a funeral.
645
00:27:38,333 --> 00:27:41,467
Whether she was carrying some
kind of guilt over the years,
646
00:27:41,500 --> 00:27:45,733
um, regarding her role,
in his death or not,
647
00:27:45,767 --> 00:27:47,400
is very debatable.
648
00:27:47,433 --> 00:27:50,667
And my letter,
basically, was very down,
649
00:27:50,700 --> 00:27:52,467
did not say anything final.
650
00:27:52,500 --> 00:27:54,667
Didn't say she'd done
what she'd done.
651
00:27:54,700 --> 00:27:56,600
But was very, very down.
652
00:27:56,633 --> 00:27:59,333
And then at the bottom
end of it,
it kind of said to me,
653
00:27:59,367 --> 00:28:02,800
"Do me a favor and make sure
that one day the world knows
654
00:28:02,833 --> 00:28:06,133
that whatever else my son was,
he was not a murderer."
655
00:28:06,167 --> 00:28:08,133
[ FAST TRACK TO HELL PLAYING]
656
00:28:08,167 --> 00:28:10,333
* Out in the streets
657
00:28:10,367 --> 00:28:12,667
* It's down to you and me
658
00:28:12,700 --> 00:28:14,300
* It's a jungle
659
00:28:15,767 --> 00:28:18,400
* I'm on a fast track to hell
660
00:28:21,267 --> 00:28:23,200
So this is the house
where Nancy grew up.
661
00:28:23,700 --> 00:28:25,233
Behind me.
662
00:28:25,267 --> 00:28:27,600
Uh, as you can see
it's quite a lovely place,
663
00:28:27,633 --> 00:28:29,167
which is a bit
of a big difference
664
00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:31,100
between the dreary lane flat
665
00:28:31,133 --> 00:28:34,633
where Sid and his mother spent
their early years together.
666
00:28:34,667 --> 00:28:37,233
There was only cold water
there, and no warmth.
667
00:28:37,667 --> 00:28:39,400
Uh,
668
00:28:39,433 --> 00:28:41,767
they're poles apart,
yet they're linked forever.
669
00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:46,433
Nancy in Philadelphia
was an upper middle class,
670
00:28:47,300 --> 00:28:51,400
Jewish, rock and roll fanatic.
671
00:28:51,433 --> 00:28:54,500
STEVE: He had that thing,
he was charming, witty.
672
00:28:54,533 --> 00:28:56,200
He was full of wonder.
673
00:28:56,233 --> 00:28:57,800
People really were
in tune with him.
674
00:28:57,833 --> 00:29:01,233
And he had charisma for days
and days and days.
675
00:29:01,267 --> 00:29:05,100
She was one of the
super-groupies
676
00:29:05,133 --> 00:29:08,233
of Philadelphia
at that time.
677
00:29:08,267 --> 00:29:10,467
And they were the people
who knew Aerosmith
678
00:29:10,500 --> 00:29:12,233
and stuff like that.
679
00:29:12,267 --> 00:29:14,200
They could get you backstage.
680
00:29:14,233 --> 00:29:15,767
I just genuinely liked him.
681
00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:17,767
I mean, there was just
something about John.
682
00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:19,600
Nothing pretentious.
683
00:29:19,633 --> 00:29:21,700
I mean, he would not have been
one of my friends
if it'd been the case.
684
00:29:21,733 --> 00:29:24,133
I mean, there were a lot
of punk hangers on
685
00:29:24,167 --> 00:29:26,767
I really didn't give tosses
about, to be honest with you.
686
00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:28,367
I didn't really hang out
with them at all.
687
00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:30,330
VIVIANE: You know,
Sid was really clever.
688
00:29:30,670 --> 00:29:31,100
He had a great brain
689
00:29:31,133 --> 00:29:33,167
and the way
he wore Nazi insignia
690
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:36,800
and Swastikas was completely
to dilute the meaning of it.
691
00:29:36,833 --> 00:29:39,400
You know, and people
never got that about him.
692
00:29:39,433 --> 00:29:42,167
He was clever
and he understood concept.
693
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:44,133
[STATIC]
694
00:29:45,533 --> 00:29:47,700
SID: Well, I'm not stupid,
you know,
695
00:29:47,733 --> 00:29:49,733
and this is why I fool people.
696
00:29:49,767 --> 00:29:51,767
I act like a complete dummy
you know.
697
00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:54,267
"Oh, Sid Vicious, duh!"
698
00:29:54,300 --> 00:29:57,567
But in actual fact,
they underestimate me so much
699
00:29:57,600 --> 00:30:01,233
that they find out
that I fooled them completely.
700
00:30:01,267 --> 00:30:02,267
[STATIC]
701
00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:08,300
When I first met John Beverly,
702
00:30:08,333 --> 00:30:11,467
yes, I could see him
living a long and full life.
703
00:30:11,500 --> 00:30:13,400
When Beverly became Vicious,
704
00:30:13,433 --> 00:30:16,500
you knew that he was not
going to make 22.
705
00:30:16,533 --> 00:30:19,670
EDWARD: And, I went
to this audition,
706
00:30:19,100 --> 00:30:21,767
and we were all sitting
in the stalls,
707
00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:24,133
you know,
waiting for stuff to happen.
708
00:30:24,167 --> 00:30:28,767
And, um, Sid and Nancy entered.
709
00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:31,670
So, there was a bit
of a stir, naturally.
710
00:30:31,100 --> 00:30:33,200
"Oh, Sid, Sid and Nancy."
711
00:30:33,233 --> 00:30:36,700
And then Sid, at one point,
turned round and said,
712
00:30:36,733 --> 00:30:40,267
"Why don't you
lot all fuck off."
713
00:30:40,300 --> 00:30:43,733
And one of the auditioners
said, "Bollocks."
714
00:30:43,767 --> 00:30:46,267
Well, you know, as he would,
as he would.
715
00:30:46,300 --> 00:30:48,100
And he suddenly
went into a fury.
716
00:30:48,133 --> 00:30:50,200
He said, "What, you say,
'Bollocks' to me."
717
00:30:50,233 --> 00:30:52,800
And he got out of his,
uh, stupor,
718
00:30:52,833 --> 00:30:55,167
and charged back,
719
00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:57,133
and started
laying into this bloke.
720
00:30:57,167 --> 00:30:58,500
So, there was this bloke
721
00:30:58,533 --> 00:31:01,267
being attacked
by presumably his hero,
722
00:31:01,300 --> 00:31:04,330
trying to fend him off.
723
00:31:04,670 --> 00:31:06,233
About half an hour later,
him and this bloke
724
00:31:06,267 --> 00:31:09,670
were sitting next to
each other, chatting
quite friendly.
725
00:31:09,100 --> 00:31:10,467
And Sid said,
726
00:31:10,500 --> 00:31:14,567
"Yeah, it's a good way to make
friends by having a fight."
727
00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:16,833
And you know, they were
the best of buddies by then.
728
00:31:16,867 --> 00:31:20,233
When Sid and I used
to hang out, we used to go
out in the evenings.
729
00:31:20,267 --> 00:31:23,167
We often ended up in physical
trouble and fights.
730
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:26,833
That was before
he was called Sid Vicious.
731
00:31:26,867 --> 00:31:29,100
And it was this
sort of escalation of,
732
00:31:29,133 --> 00:31:30,233
"Oh, we've come home again
733
00:31:30,267 --> 00:31:31,767
"and Sid's
got into trouble again."
734
00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:33,233
He liked to fight.
735
00:31:33,267 --> 00:31:35,133
He couldn't have one.
He couldn't fight sleep.
736
00:31:35,167 --> 00:31:41,267
But he... [LAUGHING]
He gave that, you know, out.
737
00:31:41,300 --> 00:31:42,733
It's not that he was
particularly aggressive,
738
00:31:42,767 --> 00:31:45,167
but he wouldn't take
any nonsense from anyone.
739
00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:47,567
When someone says
something stupid, you just
tell them it's stupid.
740
00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:49,000
Actually, it got to the point
741
00:31:49,330 --> 00:31:50,767
where he'd take his belt off
and wrap it round his hand
742
00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:52,833
and just whack people
with the buckle.
743
00:31:52,867 --> 00:31:54,367
I don't know where
that came from
744
00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:56,100
'cause he wasn't actually
a physically aggressive guy.
745
00:31:56,133 --> 00:31:57,567
We're sitting in the Speakeasy
746
00:31:57,600 --> 00:31:59,733
and Paul Weller is coming in
with his wife.
747
00:31:59,767 --> 00:32:02,467
If Sid had just waited
a second and asked me,
748
00:32:02,500 --> 00:32:06,100
I would have told him
that Paul Weller
can well look after himself.
749
00:32:06,133 --> 00:32:07,600
His dad John
was an ex-boxer and all that.
750
00:32:07,633 --> 00:32:11,670
Sid's gone out like a lunatic
with the boots flying.
751
00:32:11,100 --> 00:32:13,400
Paul Weller's cracked him
a few punches.
752
00:32:13,433 --> 00:32:16,267
But he had a glass
in his hand,
at the time, Paul,
753
00:32:16,300 --> 00:32:18,133
and it cut Sid on the face.
754
00:32:19,700 --> 00:32:22,400
There was a bit of screaming,
I jumped in between them.
755
00:32:22,433 --> 00:32:24,600
And Sid's there, he's cut,
he's got a glass in his face.
756
00:32:24,633 --> 00:32:27,667
And Paul and his wife,
I apologized to them
and they went off.
757
00:32:27,700 --> 00:32:29,700
And I said, "Sid, why did you
attack him like that?"
758
00:32:29,733 --> 00:32:33,600
He said, "Because he said
that we nicked In The City,
759
00:32:33,633 --> 00:32:35,467
and Holidays In The Sun."
760
00:32:35,500 --> 00:32:38,833
I said, "Well, you did."
[LAUGHING]
761
00:32:38,867 --> 00:32:41,600
MARK: One night I went round
and saw Sid,
762
00:32:41,633 --> 00:32:45,367
and there was a cat
that was in the flat.
763
00:32:46,500 --> 00:32:48,433
And, for no
764
00:32:50,500 --> 00:32:52,367
reason he decided,
765
00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:54,800
to put a noose around the cat
766
00:32:57,733 --> 00:32:58,733
and hang it up,
767
00:33:01,100 --> 00:33:02,233
in front of me.
768
00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:04,400
And,
769
00:33:06,700 --> 00:33:08,100
it didn't last long,
770
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:10,500
as far as
771
00:33:10,533 --> 00:33:13,533
ticks on the clock,
but it seemed like an eternity.
772
00:33:14,533 --> 00:33:15,533
And...
773
00:33:16,433 --> 00:33:18,000
The cat was struggling,
774
00:33:19,667 --> 00:33:20,667
and...
775
00:33:23,433 --> 00:33:26,567
Tried to get away,
but obviously couldn't.
776
00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:28,200
It was whining.
777
00:33:28,233 --> 00:33:31,533
It was absolutely fighting
to get away.
778
00:33:31,567 --> 00:33:33,567
And just before
779
00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:35,800
it's passed away,
780
00:33:35,833 --> 00:33:38,330
it urinated and defecated
781
00:33:39,333 --> 00:33:40,733
right on his feet.
782
00:33:40,767 --> 00:33:46,330
And Sid was holding it
in front of me.
783
00:33:47,367 --> 00:33:51,133
I utterly regret
not stopping him doing that.
784
00:33:53,233 --> 00:33:56,300
Why he did that, I don't know.
785
00:33:56,333 --> 00:34:00,400
Um, I have no idea.
786
00:34:00,433 --> 00:34:04,467
It's the most disgusting thing
that I've ever seen in my life.
787
00:34:04,500 --> 00:34:08,300
And if I could have my life
all over again...
788
00:34:08,333 --> 00:34:12,500
That is the biggest regret...
I would stop him
from doing that.
789
00:34:12,533 --> 00:34:15,200
It was horrible.
790
00:34:15,233 --> 00:34:19,330
Finally put the cat
in a plastic bag,
791
00:34:20,300 --> 00:34:22,633
and took it
to the bin downstairs.
792
00:34:22,667 --> 00:34:24,433
It was horrible.
793
00:34:24,467 --> 00:34:26,233
He was always like that.
794
00:34:26,267 --> 00:34:28,300
He just took everything
to the nth degree
795
00:34:28,333 --> 00:34:30,133
and he didn't care
where it took him.
796
00:34:30,167 --> 00:34:33,300
I guess he knew that one day
the person he hit,
or the thing he did
797
00:34:33,333 --> 00:34:35,267
would be the end.
798
00:34:35,300 --> 00:34:37,667
He was willing to take it
to the edge, he was willing
to take it that far.
799
00:34:37,700 --> 00:34:39,367
I don't know why
or where that came from.
800
00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:40,800
But he was like that always.
801
00:34:40,833 --> 00:34:43,100
He was the guy that never saw
802
00:34:43,133 --> 00:34:44,633
a red light, as they say.
803
00:34:45,700 --> 00:34:47,400
Everything was always green.
804
00:34:49,670 --> 00:34:51,567
MAN: However, dangerous?
However, dangerous.
805
00:34:53,333 --> 00:34:56,267
Do you feel if he had
never met you,
he might be alive today?
806
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:02,167
I don't know.
807
00:35:02,633 --> 00:35:03,800
I don't know.
808
00:35:04,500 --> 00:35:05,800
Heck, you know.
809
00:35:05,833 --> 00:35:08,733
You might get run over
by a car.
I don't know.
810
00:35:08,767 --> 00:35:13,767
But Sid, I suppose, would,
at the very best, be called...
811
00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:16,300
Uh, could be called amoral.
812
00:35:16,333 --> 00:35:21,267
He just didn't really
have a concept of what was
good and what was bad.
813
00:35:21,300 --> 00:35:23,800
Certainly not for him,
but for other people as well.
814
00:35:23,833 --> 00:35:26,700
Sid especially didn't know
who himself was, anyway,
815
00:35:26,733 --> 00:35:28,333
'cause he was too young.
816
00:35:28,367 --> 00:35:32,267
I think the thing about Sid
and his upbringing,
817
00:35:32,300 --> 00:35:34,800
he just wanted
someone to love.
818
00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:38,333
You know,
seems to be fairly obvious.
819
00:35:38,367 --> 00:35:40,233
No father figure, you know,
820
00:35:40,267 --> 00:35:42,267
moved around
from pillar to post.
821
00:35:42,300 --> 00:35:46,330
Mama being the Bohemian,
never settled.
822
00:35:46,670 --> 00:35:49,200
You know, people like that
tend to make a fool
of themselves
823
00:35:49,233 --> 00:35:51,667
or dress up strange.
824
00:35:51,700 --> 00:35:54,330
Anything to get attention
and be liked.
825
00:35:54,670 --> 00:35:56,330
When I met Anne
for the first time,
826
00:35:56,670 --> 00:35:59,167
it was almost like,
"Ah, that's the explanation."
827
00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:02,133
Beverly couldn't look after
herself, let alone
look after Sid.
828
00:36:02,167 --> 00:36:05,267
I never liked her. I mean,
it was quite clear to me
829
00:36:05,300 --> 00:36:07,300
where his problems lay
and it was with her.
830
00:36:07,333 --> 00:36:10,200
I always felt
there was a bit
of an agenda there.
831
00:36:10,233 --> 00:36:14,267
Well, ugh, kill me
for thinking that, but I did.
832
00:36:14,300 --> 00:36:15,833
PETER: What I know
about Beverly...
833
00:36:15,867 --> 00:36:19,267
What Sid told me was, you know,
they used to go to Morocco
834
00:36:19,300 --> 00:36:21,670
and then they would go back
into Spain.
835
00:36:21,100 --> 00:36:23,167
And she used to sort of stuff,
836
00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:26,800
um, hash, blocks of hash
down Sid's trousers.
837
00:36:26,833 --> 00:36:28,733
I mean, if you got caught
in Spain at that time
838
00:36:28,767 --> 00:36:30,600
with even a joint
under Franco,
839
00:36:30,633 --> 00:36:32,767
you could go to prison,
for, you know, 14 years.
840
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:34,800
So, it was pretty dangerous,
but probably lucrative.
841
00:36:34,833 --> 00:36:36,800
Yeah, if we went around
to Sid's flat,
842
00:36:36,833 --> 00:36:39,330
you know, the high rise
where Anne lived,
843
00:36:39,670 --> 00:36:40,633
we could just do drugs
in front of her
844
00:36:40,667 --> 00:36:42,300
whatever way we wanted.
845
00:36:42,333 --> 00:36:45,133
Beverly was the type of person
that if she arrived somewhere,
846
00:36:45,167 --> 00:36:47,500
it'd be like... Sid'll be like,
"Oh, God, it's my mom.
847
00:36:47,533 --> 00:36:50,300
"Let's hide, you know,
hope she doesn't see us."
848
00:36:50,333 --> 00:36:53,467
So, I don't think there was any
particularly close bond there.
849
00:36:53,500 --> 00:36:56,333
I remember when Sid and I
went to see The Pistols
at The Screen On The Green.
850
00:36:56,367 --> 00:36:58,367
And I had this little
vintage dress on
851
00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:01,333
that Sid had sort of cut
really short and ripped up,
made it look fantastic.
852
00:37:01,367 --> 00:37:04,333
I mean, you know, he was a great
girlie mate in many ways.
853
00:37:04,367 --> 00:37:06,330
And we watched the Pistols,
and we thought, "Oh."
854
00:37:06,670 --> 00:37:07,367
We said to each other,
"What's the point,
855
00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:08,733
"what's the point
of carrying on.
856
00:37:08,767 --> 00:37:10,700
"They say all,
they're everything
we want to be.
857
00:37:10,733 --> 00:37:12,233
"There's no point
being in a band."
858
00:37:12,267 --> 00:37:14,233
We just felt like giving up
at the end of that gig.
859
00:37:14,267 --> 00:37:15,433
It was such a fantastic show.
860
00:37:15,467 --> 00:37:18,300
GLEN: When did Sid become
one of our number one fans?
861
00:37:18,333 --> 00:37:20,367
I don't know that he did or not.
862
00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:23,400
I think he was just
number one hanging round
after John.
863
00:37:23,433 --> 00:37:25,200
I think that was a bit
of a double act
864
00:37:25,233 --> 00:37:28,567
and then John was busy
doing something else
and Sid wasn't.
865
00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:30,233
So...
866
00:37:30,267 --> 00:37:32,733
There was nothing else going on
in London at that time.
867
00:37:32,767 --> 00:37:34,600
So, we were
where the action was.
868
00:37:34,633 --> 00:37:37,233
So, he came
and shared his mayhem.
869
00:37:37,267 --> 00:37:40,300
It is interesting to me
that John did bring Sid in
870
00:37:40,333 --> 00:37:43,800
to, like, supposedly be
his ally in the band
and then goes...
871
00:37:43,833 --> 00:37:47,500
But actually, instantly,
he realized that he was
gonna overshadow John.
872
00:37:47,533 --> 00:37:49,670
Because of the way he looked,
the way he was.
873
00:38:00,233 --> 00:38:02,267
The styles of
people like
874
00:38:02,300 --> 00:38:04,200
Fleetwood Mac, Eagles,
and Led Zeppelin
875
00:38:04,233 --> 00:38:06,500
were a million miles away
from this street kid.
876
00:38:06,533 --> 00:38:08,333
So, he needed
to go back to the clubs
877
00:38:08,367 --> 00:38:11,800
and I think that's why some
scuzzy little bar like CBGB's
878
00:38:11,833 --> 00:38:14,500
was where you could create
a brand new scene.
879
00:38:14,533 --> 00:38:17,167
Dory Hamilton,
and this girl Sharon,
Honi O'Rourke,
880
00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:18,800
who went on
to be my bass player,
881
00:38:18,833 --> 00:38:20,533
and Nancy,
they were all friends.
882
00:38:20,567 --> 00:38:24,670
You know, there were different
kind of groupies in the scene.
883
00:38:24,100 --> 00:38:28,833
There were groupies
who just wanted to
hang out with famous people
884
00:38:28,867 --> 00:38:32,467
or were just kind of nice girls
who you could have sex with
885
00:38:32,500 --> 00:38:34,300
or, like, friendly.
886
00:38:34,333 --> 00:38:36,800
But then you had
the Nancy type.
887
00:38:36,833 --> 00:38:39,767
She wanted to marry a rockstar
and be a rockstar's wife.
888
00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:41,733
But usually girls like that
889
00:38:41,767 --> 00:38:44,233
hook-up with a boyfriend
pretty quickly.
890
00:38:44,267 --> 00:38:46,330
Nancy didn't have
a boyfriend.
891
00:38:46,670 --> 00:38:48,800
Because no one could stand
being with her
for more than one evening.
892
00:38:48,833 --> 00:38:51,300
She was just
really repulsive.
893
00:38:51,333 --> 00:38:53,300
KEITH: Nancy came
on the scene, right,
894
00:38:53,333 --> 00:38:55,567
and, like,
she could've been 18,
895
00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:57,500
she might've been 20,
I don't know.
896
00:38:57,533 --> 00:38:59,167
But, fuck, she's like,
897
00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:00,833
so old, you know.
898
00:39:00,867 --> 00:39:03,500
I just mean, like,
899
00:39:03,533 --> 00:39:07,200
she's just seen too much,
she's seen so much.
900
00:39:07,233 --> 00:39:09,700
The other people
who were very on to the scene,
901
00:39:09,733 --> 00:39:15,267
like Gill Hagenson,
the bartenders at Max's
and CBGB's and things,
902
00:39:15,300 --> 00:39:17,533
all kind of said,
"Stay away from her."
903
00:39:17,567 --> 00:39:20,133
She was a drug dealer
and she was a prostitute.
904
00:39:20,167 --> 00:39:21,567
And she was really bad news.
905
00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:24,100
And when someone
is called "really bad news,"
906
00:39:24,133 --> 00:39:26,367
when you have
Dee Dee Ramone's carny
907
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:29,167
going around breaking bottles
over people's heads,
908
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:30,633
that's really bad news.
909
00:39:30,667 --> 00:39:33,333
Right, I mean, I thought
she was like 27, you know.
910
00:39:33,367 --> 00:39:36,800
Anyway, and young,
I mean, that's what...
"She was only 27."
911
00:39:36,833 --> 00:39:39,400
So there you go, I didn't
even know she was 20!
912
00:39:39,433 --> 00:39:41,633
This woman
had years of experience,
913
00:39:41,667 --> 00:39:44,433
at manipulation, intimidation,
914
00:39:44,467 --> 00:39:48,700
and, of course,
you fuck everybody as well.
915
00:39:48,733 --> 00:39:51,467
You know, God love her...
916
00:39:51,500 --> 00:39:53,167
If she couldn't get it free,
she'd have sex.
917
00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:55,633
She asked me
on numerous occasions.
918
00:39:55,667 --> 00:39:57,533
It's how Nancy operated.
919
00:39:57,567 --> 00:40:00,667
She would go get the drugs
so she could get laid.
920
00:40:00,700 --> 00:40:02,433
The first time I met Nancy,
921
00:40:02,467 --> 00:40:04,267
she was being shagged
in the toilet
922
00:40:05,667 --> 00:40:06,667
by somebody.
923
00:40:07,667 --> 00:40:09,800
[LAUGHING] Not Sid, no.
924
00:40:10,533 --> 00:40:11,700
[LAUGHING]
925
00:40:11,733 --> 00:40:14,600
But someone very close
to him . [LAUGHING]
926
00:40:14,633 --> 00:40:16,500
[ROCK MUSIC PLAYING]
927
00:40:23,533 --> 00:40:26,433
DON: Before The Heartbreakers,
Nancy came over,
928
00:40:26,467 --> 00:40:27,733
at The Roxy in London.
929
00:40:27,767 --> 00:40:30,167
It was speed
in the toilets upstairs
930
00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:32,467
and weed
in the basement downstairs.
931
00:40:32,500 --> 00:40:35,167
And as I said before,
we had beer to wash it down.
932
00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:39,133
You know, in those days
you could have had
a wheelbarrow load of cocaine,
933
00:40:39,167 --> 00:40:40,800
rock-on, you were doing
really well.
934
00:40:40,833 --> 00:40:42,700
You had that much heroin,
935
00:40:42,733 --> 00:40:44,670
the stigma that that carried.
936
00:40:44,100 --> 00:40:45,400
You know,
people were like, "Whoa."
937
00:40:45,433 --> 00:40:46,633
You know, didn't wanna know.
938
00:40:46,667 --> 00:40:48,367
[ROCK BAND PLAYING]
939
00:40:56,133 --> 00:40:58,767
It wasn't street,
it was pseudo-glamourous.
940
00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:02,300
New York infiltrated
the London punk scene
and brought
941
00:41:02,333 --> 00:41:04,700
one of the worst aspects
of New York with it.
942
00:41:11,167 --> 00:41:13,500
Why on earth, people think
943
00:41:14,467 --> 00:41:16,667
this band, The Heartbreakers,
944
00:41:16,700 --> 00:41:18,467
Johnny Thunders
and Jerry Nolan,
945
00:41:18,500 --> 00:41:20,467
who couldn't tie their shoes
in the morning,
946
00:41:20,500 --> 00:41:23,533
could orchestrate the downfall
947
00:41:23,567 --> 00:41:26,300
of British youth
by importing heroin
948
00:41:26,333 --> 00:41:29,670
into the British isles
is beyond me.
949
00:41:29,100 --> 00:41:32,367
And no one noticed Keith Moon
and Keith Richards,
950
00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:34,367
in and out of hospitals...
951
00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:37,100
They were English
and they were stoned junkies,
952
00:41:37,133 --> 00:41:38,733
real stoned junkies in England.
953
00:41:46,500 --> 00:41:48,330
GLEN: You know,
to me The Heartbreakers
954
00:41:48,670 --> 00:41:49,800
would be regarded
the best punk band.
955
00:41:49,833 --> 00:41:51,400
There was something
about them
956
00:41:51,433 --> 00:41:54,567
like this cultural
kind of arrogance,
good song, look great.
957
00:41:54,600 --> 00:41:56,167
And we watched them,
totally gobsmacked.
958
00:41:56,200 --> 00:41:58,330
And then they came down
into the audience
959
00:41:58,670 --> 00:42:00,633
to say hello after
they'd done their 20-minutes.
960
00:42:01,500 --> 00:42:03,700
And I said to Jerry Nolan,
961
00:42:03,733 --> 00:42:05,767
"I really like
that song Chinese Rock.
962
00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:07,467
"What's that all about then?"
963
00:42:07,500 --> 00:42:09,167
He looks at me
like I was an idiot
964
00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:10,433
and he says, "Heroin, boy."
965
00:42:10,467 --> 00:42:12,167
Oh, right.
966
00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:17,467
Hadn't even come into anybody's
consciousness until then.
967
00:42:17,500 --> 00:42:20,100
By the time The Heatbreakers
and Nancy arrived,
968
00:42:20,133 --> 00:42:23,267
it was the new thing, you know,
they almost made it cool.
969
00:42:23,300 --> 00:42:24,500
STEVE: Johnny and Jerry needed
970
00:42:24,533 --> 00:42:26,133
to find someone
they could hang out with.
971
00:42:26,167 --> 00:42:28,200
It was an English kid,
the first English kid.
972
00:42:28,233 --> 00:42:29,533
This guy is cool.
973
00:42:29,567 --> 00:42:31,433
Now, it's in the nature,
974
00:42:31,467 --> 00:42:33,767
the unfortunate nature
of a junkie
975
00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:37,300
to not want to be
alone in their,
976
00:42:37,333 --> 00:42:38,667
uh, addiction.
977
00:42:38,700 --> 00:42:40,600
I'm in their camp now.
I'm probably the first kid
978
00:42:40,633 --> 00:42:42,367
who did smack with these guys
from New York.
979
00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:44,670
'Cause they don't speed.
980
00:42:44,100 --> 00:42:47,367
There's no doubt,
that they turned
a lot of people onto heroin.
981
00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:50,533
And that really did have a major
impact on the Punk rock scene
982
00:42:50,567 --> 00:42:54,670
and almost wiped out
the first chapter of it.
983
00:42:54,100 --> 00:42:56,467
And he was like rolling up
his leg every now and again
984
00:42:56,500 --> 00:42:59,100
and he was showing everybody
all his needle marks.
985
00:42:59,133 --> 00:43:00,733
He says, "Oh, God.
986
00:43:00,767 --> 00:43:04,167
"This foot has gone numb now,
I can't use this foot anymore."
987
00:43:07,167 --> 00:43:12,467
And his whole body was
absolutely covered with marks.
988
00:43:12,500 --> 00:43:16,133
KRIS: Sid developed his persona
when he became a Pistol.
989
00:43:16,167 --> 00:43:17,800
I know the image
990
00:43:17,833 --> 00:43:20,567
and the requirements
of living up to it.
991
00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:22,233
Did go to his head sometimes.
992
00:43:22,267 --> 00:43:25,330
LEEE: The name Sid Vicious
was the most amazing
993
00:43:25,670 --> 00:43:26,200
creation in the world.
994
00:43:26,233 --> 00:43:28,670
It's like Hollywood stars,
995
00:43:28,100 --> 00:43:29,567
you know, Marilyn Monroe,
Betty Grable,
996
00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:31,400
those people didn't know
how to deal with
997
00:43:31,433 --> 00:43:34,300
who they suddenly had to be.
998
00:43:34,333 --> 00:43:35,733
And had to be all the time.
999
00:43:35,767 --> 00:43:38,267
They didn't get to
1000
00:43:38,300 --> 00:43:40,533
only be it
when the cameras were on
1001
00:43:40,567 --> 00:43:44,733
or only till someone said,
"Now you can go home now,
1002
00:43:44,767 --> 00:43:46,670
"and just be yourself."
1003
00:43:46,100 --> 00:43:48,267
KRIS: But this was
exacerbated by drugs,
1004
00:43:48,300 --> 00:43:52,433
which stoked, you know,
his reasoning, innocence,
1005
00:43:52,467 --> 00:43:55,200
all went out the window
and he became Sid Vicious.
1006
00:43:55,233 --> 00:43:56,600
[ PRETTY DOPE FIEND PLAYING]
1007
00:43:56,633 --> 00:43:58,700
* Lookin' for
A pretty dope fiend *
1008
00:43:59,867 --> 00:44:01,600
And I remember one day,
1009
00:44:01,633 --> 00:44:03,667
she was with me
at Honi O'Rourke's
placed at the Chelsea Hotel.
1010
00:44:03,700 --> 00:44:06,567
And she says,
"Wow, guys, you know,
1011
00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:08,400
"I'm going to London, man.
1012
00:44:08,433 --> 00:44:11,100
"'Cause The Heartbreakers
are gonna be playing there."
1013
00:44:14,167 --> 00:44:17,667
Nancy turned up in London
1014
00:44:17,700 --> 00:44:21,300
when she did, because she had
a thing for Jerry Nolan.
1015
00:44:21,333 --> 00:44:22,767
KRIS: The story
is with a guitar,
1016
00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:25,670
but I don't know why
she'd be giving Jerry a guitar
1017
00:44:25,100 --> 00:44:26,567
because he was a drummer.
1018
00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:27,633
Nolan was a drummer.
1019
00:44:27,667 --> 00:44:30,200
This really beautiful pink,
left-handed
1020
00:44:30,233 --> 00:44:33,633
Fender Esquire with
all the knobs on it
were offset dice.
1021
00:44:33,667 --> 00:44:36,733
Really flash kind of...
Not very punk, but...
1022
00:44:36,767 --> 00:44:38,833
He couldn't play it,
but, um...
1023
00:44:38,867 --> 00:44:40,467
She brought it over
for him. "Hey..."
1024
00:44:40,500 --> 00:44:43,633
But he knew she was bad news,
just gave her the bum's rush.
1025
00:44:43,667 --> 00:44:46,400
I used to go back to
The Heartbreakers' flat
quite a lot.
1026
00:44:46,433 --> 00:44:47,700
Anyway, we walked in,
1027
00:44:47,733 --> 00:44:50,833
and there was just this
incredibly loud woman there.
1028
00:44:50,867 --> 00:44:53,167
Neil said it was my birthday
1029
00:44:53,200 --> 00:44:55,567
and she just started
going about her birthday.
1030
00:44:55,600 --> 00:44:58,167
Everyone was just zonked out
on smack.
1031
00:44:58,200 --> 00:45:01,567
And we'd sort of
turn the lights out
and sort of sitting down.
1032
00:45:01,600 --> 00:45:04,367
And suddenly there's this
presence in the room.
1033
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:06,233
Here's Jerry Nolan.
1034
00:45:06,267 --> 00:45:09,100
And fully-clothed,
mohair jumper, the whole lot.
1035
00:45:09,133 --> 00:45:10,467
And he got into bed beside me.
1036
00:45:10,500 --> 00:45:12,833
So, I was stuck in the middle
of Neil and Jerry.
1037
00:45:12,867 --> 00:45:15,833
And he just said that he wasn't
being weird or anything,
1038
00:45:15,867 --> 00:45:17,267
but, you know, he was really...
1039
00:45:17,300 --> 00:45:19,667
There was no way he
was gonna be on his own,
1040
00:45:19,700 --> 00:45:21,300
with Nancy on the loose.
1041
00:45:21,333 --> 00:45:23,367
She came up to me, Nancy,
1042
00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:26,333
came up, from behind,
put her hand on my shoulder,
1043
00:45:26,367 --> 00:45:28,330
and said, "Hi, where's Jerry?"
1044
00:45:28,670 --> 00:45:29,767
First words out of her mouth.
1045
00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:31,400
And I said,
"You will not see Jerry,
1046
00:45:31,433 --> 00:45:32,767
"I won't let you near Jerry.
1047
00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:35,133
"If I have to lock
Jerry up in a room
1048
00:45:35,167 --> 00:45:37,600
"and not let him out of it,
I won't let you near Jerry.
1049
00:45:37,633 --> 00:45:39,133
"Do you understand?"
1050
00:45:39,167 --> 00:45:41,167
And she just said, "Oh, okay,"
and wandered away.
1051
00:45:41,200 --> 00:45:42,633
That was it.
1052
00:45:42,667 --> 00:45:44,133
I think my first introduction
1053
00:45:44,167 --> 00:45:47,767
to Nancy was hearing
this neighing,
whining sound
1054
00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:50,367
from the background,
over my dub records
I was playing.
1055
00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:51,533
'Cause she was loud.
1056
00:45:51,567 --> 00:45:53,633
See, Jerry very much used her.
1057
00:45:53,667 --> 00:45:54,667
Jerry...
1058
00:45:56,200 --> 00:46:00,133
Jerry... If someone could
supply Jerry with drugs,
1059
00:46:00,167 --> 00:46:02,467
or with money
or with a place to stay,
1060
00:46:02,500 --> 00:46:06,300
or a ride to the bar,
1061
00:46:06,333 --> 00:46:08,133
they were his girlfriend.
1062
00:46:08,167 --> 00:46:09,733
And because obviously
no one knew her,
1063
00:46:09,767 --> 00:46:12,467
no one knew this story
was a whole heap of lies.
1064
00:46:12,500 --> 00:46:14,600
What it did is it opened
a lot of doors for her,
1065
00:46:14,633 --> 00:46:17,100
got her into
McLaren Westwood empire.
1066
00:46:17,133 --> 00:46:19,400
He got her
into the Speakeasy.
1067
00:46:19,433 --> 00:46:21,400
We'd go to the Roxy
as a kind of,
1068
00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:24,433
um, watering hole.
1069
00:46:24,467 --> 00:46:27,467
And there's this girl
staggering about
with a very high voice.
1070
00:46:28,367 --> 00:46:29,200
Um...
1071
00:46:30,467 --> 00:46:32,100
There were a couple
of Heartbreakers there
1072
00:46:32,133 --> 00:46:33,733
and they were avoiding her
like the plague.
1073
00:46:33,767 --> 00:46:36,330
She was going around
asking everyone
for a cigarette.
1074
00:46:36,670 --> 00:46:37,533
And she spotted Sid.
1075
00:46:37,567 --> 00:46:40,833
And made a beeline.
And that was it.
1076
00:46:40,867 --> 00:46:43,300
He started talking to her.
She was all over him.
1077
00:46:54,267 --> 00:46:56,800
We'd never met
American women before.
1078
00:46:58,300 --> 00:47:02,567
And so, initially,
it was quite a giggle.
1079
00:47:02,600 --> 00:47:05,100
Saw her on the arm of Sid
1080
00:47:05,133 --> 00:47:06,367
and I thought,
1081
00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:10,367
"Oh, my God, if there
were ever a perfect target
1082
00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:12,400
for Nancy Spungen."
1083
00:47:12,433 --> 00:47:16,670
Sid was very innocent,
gullible, whatever you
wanna call it, naive.
1084
00:47:16,100 --> 00:47:17,533
She probably
blew him off his feet.
1085
00:47:23,100 --> 00:47:26,400
What amazes me,
is that how over the years,
1086
00:47:26,433 --> 00:47:29,233
it's become
a Romeo and Juliet story.
1087
00:47:29,267 --> 00:47:31,733
And it's been
kinda romanticized.
1088
00:47:31,767 --> 00:47:34,133
But he really loved this person.
1089
00:47:34,167 --> 00:47:35,833
He loved her more
than he loved his music.
1090
00:47:35,867 --> 00:47:37,633
VIVIANE: Bit by bit,
as he got
together with Nancy,
1091
00:47:37,667 --> 00:47:40,200
and then he became,
you know, very caring
1092
00:47:40,233 --> 00:47:43,330
and caught up in her world
and trying to make her happy.
1093
00:47:43,670 --> 00:47:44,467
ALAN: Whispering in his ear,
1094
00:47:44,500 --> 00:47:46,367
she taught him things
no one had ever taught him
1095
00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:47,500
and she showed him
a bit of love.
1096
00:47:47,533 --> 00:47:48,733
They were sensitive people
1097
00:47:48,767 --> 00:47:50,833
and they seemed
to get along very well.
1098
00:47:50,867 --> 00:47:53,567
In fact, they were always
holding one another
in my office.
1099
00:47:53,600 --> 00:47:54,833
You sort of sense
1100
00:47:54,867 --> 00:47:57,167
that there was a great
affection between them.
1101
00:47:57,200 --> 00:47:59,300
Maybe they were
right for each other.
1102
00:47:59,333 --> 00:48:01,167
Maybe, whatever it is
1103
00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:02,767
she brought to the table,
he needed.
1104
00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:04,333
Sid was really shy.
1105
00:48:04,367 --> 00:48:05,833
He was really shy with girls.
1106
00:48:05,867 --> 00:48:08,367
I never ever saw him
chat up a girl.
1107
00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:10,670
I mean, a girl would
have to come to Sid.
1108
00:48:10,100 --> 00:48:11,367
He wasn't interested in sex.
1109
00:48:11,400 --> 00:48:13,167
So if girls,
they would throw
themselves at him,
1110
00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:15,200
and he wasn't interested.
1111
00:48:15,233 --> 00:48:19,267
He was quite possibly a virgin
before he met Nancy.
1112
00:48:19,300 --> 00:48:22,367
He needed a strong,
forward woman
1113
00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:24,367
to, you know,
to go to bed with him.
1114
00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:26,330
Otherwise, he would never
make the move.
1115
00:48:26,670 --> 00:48:27,267
And she made the move.
1116
00:48:27,300 --> 00:48:29,533
She would really,
sort of like,
bolster his ego.
1117
00:48:29,567 --> 00:48:31,733
In a way
that I thought was really
1118
00:48:31,767 --> 00:48:33,833
what you're supposed to do
if you're boy and girlfriend.
1119
00:48:33,867 --> 00:48:35,767
I don't know
if you saw any of the gigs,
1120
00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:38,367
but Sid
was really shining out.
1121
00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:41,670
JONES: And I think, if you had
that in the background,
1122
00:48:41,100 --> 00:48:43,233
then I don't think
it was quite as tragic,
1123
00:48:43,267 --> 00:48:45,367
as we're all sort of
being led to believe.
1124
00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:47,333
How many people loved
The Beatles and hated Yoko?
1125
00:48:47,700 --> 00:48:49,670
Automatically.
1126
00:48:49,100 --> 00:48:51,767
It's like Yoko
all of a sudden had power.
1127
00:48:51,800 --> 00:48:55,633
And The Beatles, and John
and she was controlling John.
1128
00:48:55,667 --> 00:48:58,100
Well, maybe John
wanted to be controlled.
1129
00:48:58,133 --> 00:48:59,433
Maybe John needed her.
1130
00:48:59,467 --> 00:49:02,167
When someone's in love,
what can you do, you know.
1131
00:49:02,200 --> 00:49:03,567
If it's the bird or the band,
1132
00:49:03,600 --> 00:49:05,200
usually the bird wins.
1133
00:49:10,367 --> 00:49:12,133
The Pistols came to America.
1134
00:49:12,167 --> 00:49:14,600
They came to America,
they came to tour.
1135
00:49:14,633 --> 00:49:16,767
By the time
they announced their tour,
1136
00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:19,133
I knew I had to find a way
to get on that tour.
1137
00:49:19,167 --> 00:49:21,233
STEVE: Been a long time,
Sid, when he went to America
1138
00:49:21,267 --> 00:49:23,167
on the tour with the Pistols,
1139
00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:26,633
you know, he asked me
and Barry to look after Nancy.
1140
00:49:26,667 --> 00:49:29,670
So we had the job
of making sure
she was all right.
1141
00:49:29,100 --> 00:49:30,767
He was away with The Pistols
in America.
1142
00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:32,800
He'd be ringing back, "Viv,
can you make sure
you've seen Nancy.
1143
00:49:32,833 --> 00:49:34,333
"She says no one
wants to talk to her.
1144
00:49:34,367 --> 00:49:35,533
"No one wants to speak to her.
1145
00:49:35,567 --> 00:49:37,267
"Everyone hates her.
It's breaking my heart."
1146
00:49:37,300 --> 00:49:39,133
You know, he was still
worried in the States,
1147
00:49:39,167 --> 00:49:41,333
because she'd be ringing
him up, giving him an earful
all the time.
1148
00:49:41,367 --> 00:49:44,700
No one really wanted
Nancy around.
1149
00:49:44,733 --> 00:49:46,467
They told her, "Nance,
it's because of Sid."
1150
00:49:46,500 --> 00:49:48,167
And she did get
to that the point,
1151
00:49:48,200 --> 00:49:51,133
where she was
persona non grata
around most people's places.
1152
00:49:51,167 --> 00:49:54,433
We ended up setting up
a party in Bob Gruen's room.
1153
00:49:54,467 --> 00:49:57,300
And, sure enough,
everybody except for Johnny
1154
00:49:57,333 --> 00:49:58,733
from The Pistols showed up.
1155
00:49:59,867 --> 00:50:02,633
And Sid walked in,
1156
00:50:02,667 --> 00:50:04,633
kinda in the middle
of the party,
1157
00:50:04,667 --> 00:50:07,330
with this tall blond woman.
1158
00:50:07,670 --> 00:50:09,567
We're all kinda like,
"Oh, that's good for Sid.
1159
00:50:09,600 --> 00:50:12,133
"He picked up the best-looking
girl from the gig."
1160
00:50:12,167 --> 00:50:13,567
One time he called up,
1161
00:50:13,600 --> 00:50:16,467
and was her telling how he'd
been with a transvestite.
1162
00:50:16,500 --> 00:50:18,167
She had a very deep voice.
1163
00:50:18,200 --> 00:50:20,533
And Sid was pretty upfront.
1164
00:50:20,567 --> 00:50:22,467
He's like, "Well, here now.
1165
00:50:22,500 --> 00:50:26,670
"Am I gonna suck your cock
or your cunt?"
1166
00:50:26,100 --> 00:50:28,833
And she said, "Cunt."[HOARSELY]
1167
00:50:28,867 --> 00:50:31,670
And everybody's like...
[MIMICKING VIBRATING]
1168
00:50:31,100 --> 00:50:33,330
You know, "What the..."
1169
00:50:33,670 --> 00:50:35,767
It, you know...
That's a man's voice.
1170
00:50:35,800 --> 00:50:37,467
"Sid, what are you doing
over there, you know,
1171
00:50:37,500 --> 00:50:39,367
"on the road in America
for the first time.
1172
00:50:39,400 --> 00:50:40,633
"We can only imagine."
1173
00:50:40,667 --> 00:50:42,133
He was telling her about
1174
00:50:42,867 --> 00:50:44,600
this transvestite
1175
00:50:44,633 --> 00:50:47,233
he'd ended up with and...
1176
00:50:47,267 --> 00:50:48,833
Her reaction was,
"Well, all right, Sid,
1177
00:50:48,867 --> 00:50:51,767
as long as you're not fucking
any girls, you know."
1178
00:50:51,800 --> 00:50:54,433
[LAUGHING]
Which I thought was funny.
1179
00:51:00,300 --> 00:51:04,333
There were three or four real
hardcore Pistols fans from LA.
1180
00:51:04,367 --> 00:51:07,670
Um, of which one
is the famous Hellin Killer.
1181
00:51:07,100 --> 00:51:09,670
HELLIN: When Sid came out,
1182
00:51:09,100 --> 00:51:11,670
and he came right up to us.
1183
00:51:11,100 --> 00:51:13,667
It's like,"Look,
people that I can talk to."
1184
00:51:13,700 --> 00:51:20,233
He was just like any kid
like anywhere
that we would run into.
1185
00:51:20,267 --> 00:51:22,100
And he came running up,
and he was like,
1186
00:51:22,133 --> 00:51:24,300
"Hey,"
and he starts talking to us.
1187
00:51:24,333 --> 00:51:25,800
He's like, "Are you coming
to the show?"
1188
00:51:25,833 --> 00:51:27,633
And I'm like,
"We've got tickets."
1189
00:51:27,667 --> 00:51:29,800
And he grabbed the tickets
out of my hand,
1190
00:51:29,833 --> 00:51:32,670
and he grabbed us
and we went back in.
1191
00:51:32,100 --> 00:51:33,767
And he goes,
"Give them their money back.
1192
00:51:33,800 --> 00:51:36,100
"They're on my guest list."
1193
00:51:36,133 --> 00:51:39,600
And that was my initial
meeting of Sid.
1194
00:51:39,633 --> 00:51:42,467
So she kinda became
Sid's companion
1195
00:51:42,500 --> 00:51:45,133
on tour for that last US tour.
1196
00:51:45,167 --> 00:51:49,467
I remember in Dallas,
he called her
1197
00:51:49,500 --> 00:51:50,800
and he was on the phone
with her.
1198
00:51:50,833 --> 00:51:54,670
He's like, "I met this girl
and it's really great."
1199
00:51:54,100 --> 00:51:56,367
And I was like really terrified
1200
00:51:56,400 --> 00:51:59,400
because what I heard of Nancy
and what I thought of Nancy.
1201
00:51:59,433 --> 00:52:05,133
What everyone said was
just what an incredible
nightmare she was.
1202
00:52:05,167 --> 00:52:09,333
"Oh, she's gonna kill you
if she ever finds out
about you."
1203
00:52:09,367 --> 00:52:14,267
I was just like, "Why are you
even mentioning
that I exist to her?"
1204
00:52:15,267 --> 00:52:17,500
It was kind of
frightening to me.
1205
00:52:19,367 --> 00:52:22,233
But he was like
in love with her.
1206
00:52:22,267 --> 00:52:24,367
[ UP FOR THE CRACK PLAYING]
1207
00:52:27,700 --> 00:52:29,567
* So many times I've waited
1208
00:52:30,800 --> 00:52:32,667
* Too many times sedated
1209
00:52:33,733 --> 00:52:36,733
* So many times elated
1210
00:52:36,767 --> 00:52:39,267
JOHN: The Sex Pistols
were fighting with each other.
1211
00:52:39,300 --> 00:52:41,330
Malcolm was not speaking
with Johnny.
1212
00:52:41,670 --> 00:52:43,600
Johnny was not speaking
to Malcolm.
1213
00:52:43,633 --> 00:52:45,533
Um, nobody could find Sid.
1214
00:52:45,567 --> 00:52:48,233
He was hanging out with some
groupies, taking drugs.
1215
00:52:49,300 --> 00:52:51,330
We were in the bathroom.
1216
00:52:51,670 --> 00:52:53,330
He's like, "I'm gonna do this."
I'm like, "No, don't do it."
1217
00:52:53,670 --> 00:52:54,300
He's like, "I'm gonna do it."
1218
00:52:54,333 --> 00:52:56,833
And I'm like, "Okay,
there's nothing I can do."
1219
00:52:56,867 --> 00:53:00,467
And sitting on the edge
of the bathtub,
1220
00:53:00,500 --> 00:53:03,733
Sid shot his steroids.
1221
00:53:03,767 --> 00:53:06,733
And fell directly back
into the bathtub.
1222
00:53:16,200 --> 00:53:22,670
I've got Sid in the worst
situation I've ever seen.
1223
00:53:22,100 --> 00:53:23,533
And these kids are
just kinda looking at him.
1224
00:53:23,567 --> 00:53:26,733
Almost dead, turning blue.
I got him on his feet,
1225
00:53:26,767 --> 00:53:28,333
walked him around.
1226
00:53:28,367 --> 00:53:30,300
Stuff I've never had to do
with anybody ever.
1227
00:53:30,333 --> 00:53:31,467
He was responding.
1228
00:53:31,500 --> 00:53:35,400
He was groaning,
but he was in a semi-coma.
1229
00:53:35,433 --> 00:53:37,567
But his circulation returned.
1230
00:53:37,600 --> 00:53:39,330
It was working, you know.
1231
00:53:39,670 --> 00:53:41,567
I was really fearing it won't.
1232
00:53:41,600 --> 00:53:44,100
And here's the beauty of Sid.
1233
00:53:44,133 --> 00:53:47,433
The doctor shows up,
gives him the Narcan,
1234
00:53:47,467 --> 00:53:50,667
whatever is they give you
when you OD on heroin.
1235
00:53:50,700 --> 00:53:52,000
Sid sits up,
1236
00:53:52,733 --> 00:53:55,667
fixes his hair, stands up,
1237
00:53:55,700 --> 00:53:58,500
and looks around
and goes, "What?"
1238
00:53:58,533 --> 00:54:01,000
And that was it.
That was like nothing happened.
1239
00:54:03,100 --> 00:54:06,533
SID: The Sex Pistols
are finished.
1240
00:54:06,567 --> 00:54:10,200
There could never be
a replacement for John Rotten.
1241
00:54:10,233 --> 00:54:13,767
Sometimes it upsets me
so much that I cry about it.
1242
00:54:13,800 --> 00:54:17,467
Because that band stood
for so, so much.
1243
00:54:17,500 --> 00:54:21,300
It stood for so much,
like freedom of youth
and speech
1244
00:54:21,333 --> 00:54:24,800
and it was very revolutionary.
1245
00:54:24,833 --> 00:54:28,500
I guess a junkie only needs
a rap to justify his life,
1246
00:54:28,533 --> 00:54:30,133
and a means to get that rap.
1247
00:54:30,167 --> 00:54:32,300
Once he was kicked out
of the Pistols,
1248
00:54:32,333 --> 00:54:33,500
he was kind of lost
1249
00:54:33,533 --> 00:54:37,670
and up for absolutely anything.
1250
00:54:47,533 --> 00:54:49,767
Porno, playing with anybody.
1251
00:54:49,800 --> 00:54:53,100
I mean, they were just like
desperate junkies.
1252
00:54:53,133 --> 00:54:54,833
Really sad, it has to be said.
1253
00:54:54,867 --> 00:54:57,500
Hey, do you wanna make
a pornographic movie?
1254
00:54:57,533 --> 00:55:00,400
Give us a hundred pounds.
1255
00:55:00,433 --> 00:55:03,800
I remember she came up to me
and said, "Hi, Steve.
1256
00:55:03,833 --> 00:55:07,330
"Would you like to watch me
and Sid have sex for 20 pounds?"
1257
00:55:07,670 --> 00:55:09,167
I went, "You'd have to pay me
a lot more than that, Nancy.
1258
00:55:09,200 --> 00:55:11,700
"I tell you, honestly,
I couldn't think
of nothing worse
1259
00:55:11,733 --> 00:55:13,467
"than watching you
and him having sex?"
1260
00:55:13,500 --> 00:55:14,833
She even hit on me one time.
1261
00:55:14,867 --> 00:55:17,433
I had to get her a spliff
to get her off my back.
1262
00:55:17,467 --> 00:55:18,633
Not literally, folks.
1263
00:55:18,667 --> 00:55:22,100
There was also a rumor
that Sid did as well.
1264
00:55:22,133 --> 00:55:24,767
You know, that he
gave himself
to make money.
1265
00:55:24,800 --> 00:55:28,670
Do you want me to
make you a cup of coffee?
1266
00:55:30,433 --> 00:55:31,600
Yeah, could you?
1267
00:55:31,633 --> 00:55:33,733
Yes, I'll make you
a cup of coffee.
1268
00:55:33,767 --> 00:55:36,500
I just took a suitcase,
got on a plane
and went to London.
1269
00:55:36,533 --> 00:55:38,333
And I was on King's Road,
1270
00:55:38,367 --> 00:55:40,400
and some kids came out
and they're like,
1271
00:55:40,433 --> 00:55:42,500
"So, Sid's in the store
right there.
1272
00:55:42,533 --> 00:55:45,133
"Boy, why don't you go
and say hi."
1273
00:55:45,167 --> 00:55:47,700
And I'm like, "Okay."
1274
00:55:47,733 --> 00:55:50,600
And I walked in
and he turned around
1275
00:55:50,633 --> 00:55:55,700
and it was like we had
just seen each other
five minutes ago.
1276
00:55:55,733 --> 00:56:01,300
And at that point, he's like,
"You have to come over
and meet Nancy."
1277
00:56:01,333 --> 00:56:05,300
To be really honest,
Nancy was so nice
1278
00:56:05,333 --> 00:56:07,700
and wonderful to me,
when I met her.
1279
00:56:07,733 --> 00:56:11,670
And, then she goes, "You need
to stay here with us,
1280
00:56:11,100 --> 00:56:12,767
"if you're not really
staying anywhere."
1281
00:56:12,800 --> 00:56:16,333
They actually spent a lot
of time in bed in their room,
1282
00:56:16,367 --> 00:56:20,300
in front of the TV,
in their underwear,
high on fucking heroin.
1283
00:56:20,333 --> 00:56:23,367
We would go to the chip shop,
come back,
1284
00:56:23,400 --> 00:56:27,500
watch TV, do our hair,
you know.
1285
00:56:27,533 --> 00:56:28,767
They stayed home a lot.
1286
00:56:28,800 --> 00:56:31,330
You know, there wasn't
a lot of fighting.
1287
00:56:31,670 --> 00:56:33,330
There wasn't a lot of arguing.
1288
00:56:33,670 --> 00:56:34,500
I think the whole time
I was there,
1289
00:56:34,533 --> 00:56:36,800
there was like one
argument fight.
1290
00:56:36,833 --> 00:56:40,433
There was kind of a lot
of whining on Nancy's part,
1291
00:56:40,467 --> 00:56:42,200
but I think she
was just very whiny.
1292
00:56:42,233 --> 00:56:44,670
Girlfriend at the time
used to make clothes
1293
00:56:44,100 --> 00:56:48,100
and she used to kinda
hang out there.
1294
00:56:48,133 --> 00:56:51,167
And say that she was always
trying to let her jeans out
a bit more.
1295
00:56:51,200 --> 00:56:53,233
'Cause she was
putting on weight
1296
00:56:53,267 --> 00:56:55,133
and putting on weight
and putting on weight.
1297
00:56:55,167 --> 00:56:59,267
Those jeans had these, sort of,
different shade of blue
V's in the back.
1298
00:56:59,300 --> 00:57:02,700
There was apparently animosity
between Nancy and Sid's mom.
1299
00:57:03,833 --> 00:57:06,267
And while I was living there,
1300
00:57:06,300 --> 00:57:08,133
like, a couple of times
they went out,
1301
00:57:08,167 --> 00:57:10,633
and they were like,
"If she comes by..."
1302
00:57:10,667 --> 00:57:13,667
Nancy, "If she comes by,
don't let her in the house."
1303
00:57:13,700 --> 00:57:15,533
And one night she did come by.
1304
00:57:15,567 --> 00:57:18,433
She was, "I just wanted to drop
some things off for Sid."
1305
00:57:18,467 --> 00:57:21,733
And she gave me
a big bag of jujubes
1306
00:57:22,700 --> 00:57:25,700
and a big bag of syringes.
1307
00:57:25,733 --> 00:57:29,330
This was mom's present
or whatever,
1308
00:57:29,670 --> 00:57:31,267
care package for Sid.
1309
00:57:31,300 --> 00:57:34,233
And I was just like, "Wow."
1310
00:57:34,267 --> 00:57:40,233
Malcolm, um, held
the purse strings
as regards money.
1311
00:57:40,267 --> 00:57:43,670
So, Sid needed money
because he had a drug habit.
1312
00:57:43,100 --> 00:57:45,767
So he was always
dependent upon that.
1313
00:57:45,800 --> 00:57:49,670
And Malcolm was never
forthcoming with any
great amounts of money.
1314
00:57:52,670 --> 00:57:53,633
SID: It's here to signify,
1315
00:57:53,667 --> 00:57:56,267
the flow of air
around the chair, you know.
1316
00:57:56,300 --> 00:57:58,400
Trying to be all artistic
and impress us
1317
00:57:58,433 --> 00:57:59,800
and we were laughing
our heads off.
1318
00:57:59,833 --> 00:58:01,333
"You are an idiot."
1319
00:58:01,833 --> 00:58:03,300
I hate Malcolm.
1320
00:58:03,333 --> 00:58:06,300
Obviously, Malcolm was really
concentrating on Sid.
1321
00:58:06,333 --> 00:58:10,100
And Nancy was really getting
in the way of Maclcolm's plans.
1322
00:58:10,133 --> 00:58:11,600
What Nancy was doing
was deciding
1323
00:58:11,633 --> 00:58:13,330
that she was going to be
Sid's manager.
1324
00:58:13,670 --> 00:58:15,567
So, Malcolm did his
word of mouth thing,
1325
00:58:15,600 --> 00:58:17,200
which I thought was hilarious.
1326
00:58:17,233 --> 00:58:19,633
SID: My girlfriend manages me.
1327
00:58:19,667 --> 00:58:23,700
I just wanna get another
band together and tour.
1328
00:58:23,733 --> 00:58:28,433
The reality was,
on paper and on contract
with the lawyers,
1329
00:58:28,467 --> 00:58:31,433
Malcolm McLaren
was still Sid's manager.
1330
00:58:31,467 --> 00:58:34,233
In retrospect, maybe,
there was a lot more humor
to the whole thing,
1331
00:58:34,267 --> 00:58:37,330
than I was able to really
enjoy at the time.
1332
00:58:37,670 --> 00:58:39,400
SID: I don't know whether
so many songs sung...
1333
00:58:39,433 --> 00:58:41,500
I don't know whether
he'll have enough faith in it.
1334
00:58:41,533 --> 00:58:43,300
But she's damn smart.
1335
00:58:43,333 --> 00:58:47,500
Damn smart. She's been a lot
around the music business
1336
00:58:47,533 --> 00:58:50,633
since she was 13
and she knows a lot of guys
1337
00:58:50,667 --> 00:58:52,467
and she can pull
a lot of weight.
1338
00:58:54,333 --> 00:58:56,433
I was really surprised
that Glen and him
1339
00:58:56,467 --> 00:58:57,667
were really good friends.
1340
00:58:57,700 --> 00:59:01,467
When Glen first came over,
I was like, "Go figure."
1341
00:59:01,500 --> 00:59:05,500
The one guy, that, you know,
he replaced in the band,
1342
00:59:05,533 --> 00:59:08,670
is the one guy
who's there for him.
1343
00:59:08,100 --> 00:59:09,667
When I was sitting there
in the pub next to him,
1344
00:59:09,700 --> 00:59:12,133
and he said, " What's all
this about we don't get on?"
1345
00:59:12,167 --> 00:59:14,233
I said "I don't know.
We're sitting here in a pub,
aren't we?"
1346
00:59:14,267 --> 00:59:15,100
And he said, "Yeah."
1347
00:59:16,367 --> 00:59:18,600
And he said,
"How can we prove to people?"
1348
00:59:18,633 --> 00:59:20,800
I said, "I don't know.
I don't know if I'm bothered
about proving to people."
1349
00:59:20,833 --> 00:59:23,233
He said, "No, no, we should."
1350
00:59:23,267 --> 00:59:25,833
I said, "How about doing
a gig then?"
1351
00:59:25,867 --> 00:59:27,600
He went, "That's a good idea.
Who can we get?"
1352
00:59:27,633 --> 00:59:29,330
We went through
who we could get
1353
00:59:29,670 --> 00:59:31,200
and we got Steve New
of the Rich Kids
1354
00:59:31,233 --> 00:59:35,167
and Rat Scabies, just old mates.
1355
00:59:35,200 --> 00:59:37,800
And put a band together.
And we called it
the Vicious White Kids.
1356
00:59:37,833 --> 00:59:40,300
Sid Vicious,
I was still just about
1357
00:59:40,333 --> 00:59:42,200
in the Rich Kids
and Steve was in...
1358
00:59:42,233 --> 00:59:44,533
Rat Scabies was actually not
in the band at that stage.
1359
00:59:44,567 --> 00:59:46,333
He had a band
called The White Cats.
1360
00:59:46,367 --> 00:59:48,233
It was kind of funny though
1361
00:59:48,267 --> 00:59:51,467
'cause, I don't know,
I just found Sid
a little bit slow, really.
1362
00:59:51,500 --> 00:59:54,567
He said, "We've got
Steve on guitar,
1363
00:59:54,600 --> 00:59:56,133
"and Rat on drums.
1364
00:59:57,400 --> 00:59:59,267
"Who's gonna play bass?"
1365
00:59:59,300 --> 01:00:01,133
He said, "You're a bass player
and I'm a bass player.
1366
01:00:01,167 --> 01:00:02,367
"Who's gonna play bass?"
1367
01:00:02,400 --> 01:00:03,633
I said,
"I'll put it this way, Sid,
1368
01:00:03,667 --> 01:00:04,833
"I'm certainly
not gonna sing."
1369
01:00:04,867 --> 01:00:07,467
He went, "Oh.
Who's gonna sing then?"
1370
01:00:07,500 --> 01:00:08,733
I said, "You can sing."
1371
01:00:08,767 --> 01:00:10,267
"Who's gonna play bass?"
1372
01:00:11,833 --> 01:00:13,800
That was the greatest show.
1373
01:00:13,833 --> 01:00:15,567
Everyone was there.
1374
01:00:15,600 --> 01:00:17,333
[ TIME OF YOUR LIFE PLAYING]
1375
01:00:20,600 --> 01:00:25,433
* Time, time, time...
1376
01:00:25,467 --> 01:00:28,667
I think Debbie Harry was there,
everyone was there.
1377
01:00:28,700 --> 01:00:30,400
That was an amazing show.
1378
01:00:30,433 --> 01:00:33,567
And had he been able
to continue to pull that off
1379
01:00:33,600 --> 01:00:34,800
when he got to New York,
1380
01:00:36,133 --> 01:00:38,800
who knows
what would have happened.
1381
01:00:38,833 --> 01:00:41,100
There you go,
then we started rehearsing.
1382
01:00:41,133 --> 01:00:42,833
We did our one number,
1383
01:00:42,867 --> 01:00:44,233
and Sid comes up
to me afterwards.
1384
01:00:44,267 --> 01:00:46,100
And he says, "Well, it's like
you can play bass
1385
01:00:46,133 --> 01:00:48,000
"all the way for a song
without stopping."
1386
01:00:49,333 --> 01:00:51,433
At that time it did enable
a lot kids
1387
01:00:51,467 --> 01:00:54,267
who hadn't seen
Sid Vicious on stage
1388
01:00:54,300 --> 01:00:55,767
to actually go.
1389
01:00:55,800 --> 01:00:58,670
Since the rehearsal...
We went for our
first rehearsal,
1390
01:00:58,100 --> 01:01:00,567
everything had been cleared out
by the band who had it before.
1391
01:01:00,600 --> 01:01:04,330
Apart from this
Fender Mustang bass guitar,
it was just sitting there.
1392
01:01:04,670 --> 01:01:05,233
His eyes lit up.
1393
01:01:05,267 --> 01:01:06,600
He went,
"I'm having that for my honey."
1394
01:01:06,633 --> 01:01:08,667
You know, um, Nancy.
1395
01:01:08,700 --> 01:01:11,433
We rehearsed and we drove home.
1396
01:01:11,467 --> 01:01:13,400
Next day we got up
to our rehearsal.
1397
01:01:13,433 --> 01:01:15,833
And they say, "Okay,
have a good gig.
Take the equipment.
1398
01:01:15,867 --> 01:01:17,133
"But you can't take
the equipment
1399
01:01:17,167 --> 01:01:18,433
"until you give us
the bass back."
1400
01:01:18,467 --> 01:01:19,767
"What bass?"
1401
01:01:19,800 --> 01:01:22,600
"The bass that Sid
walked out with last night."
1402
01:01:22,633 --> 01:01:23,700
"No, we didn't have a bass."
1403
01:01:23,733 --> 01:01:26,100
"Everybody seen you, Sid."
1404
01:01:26,133 --> 01:01:28,670
We put a phone call
in to Nancy, you know.
1405
01:01:28,100 --> 01:01:31,133
We arranged that,
"Well, the bass was coming."
1406
01:01:31,167 --> 01:01:32,433
You know,
we could be loading up.
1407
01:01:32,467 --> 01:01:35,100
But we had to sit there
waiting for it to turn up.
1408
01:01:35,133 --> 01:01:37,167
Of course, in the meantime,
Nancy's painted it
1409
01:01:37,200 --> 01:01:39,330
with black emulsion.
1410
01:01:39,670 --> 01:01:41,670
Hadn't even taken the strings
off or anything like that.
1411
01:01:41,100 --> 01:01:44,200
And arrives in a cab
in a black dripping bag.
1412
01:01:44,233 --> 01:01:46,133
So we gave it to the guy,
but it's still dripping wet.
1413
01:01:46,167 --> 01:01:47,767
You know, but we just went.
1414
01:01:47,800 --> 01:01:51,167
But the whole idea of it
was obviously
to raise enough funds
1415
01:01:51,200 --> 01:01:54,330
to send Sid over to New York
and, you know...
1416
01:01:54,670 --> 01:01:55,200
It could have been
a lot of things.
1417
01:01:55,233 --> 01:01:56,567
It could be to get away
from Malcolm.
1418
01:01:56,600 --> 01:01:59,500
Maybe to get some control
over his career himself,
1419
01:01:59,533 --> 01:02:01,330
if he knew what he was doing.
1420
01:02:01,670 --> 01:02:04,700
But, um, I think there was
also some legal problems,
1421
01:02:04,733 --> 01:02:07,400
they had over here
at the time too.
1422
01:02:07,433 --> 01:02:10,233
There was a young,
fairly up-and-coming
1423
01:02:10,267 --> 01:02:13,330
and promising record producer
called John Shepcock.
1424
01:02:13,670 --> 01:02:15,233
He was in his early 20s.
1425
01:02:15,267 --> 01:02:18,367
Um, and he was
a heroin addict too.
1426
01:02:18,400 --> 01:02:20,667
And he went down
to Pindock Mews one night.
1427
01:02:20,700 --> 01:02:22,700
And himself, Sid and Nancy
1428
01:02:22,733 --> 01:02:25,333
had this kind of
nod out on heroin.
1429
01:02:25,367 --> 01:02:28,433
And what tells you
about the state they were in,
1430
01:02:28,467 --> 01:02:31,330
is the next morning
they woke up,
1431
01:02:31,670 --> 01:02:33,133
and genuinely did not know
1432
01:02:33,167 --> 01:02:35,533
they were lying next
to the dead body
of John Shepcock.
1433
01:02:35,567 --> 01:02:38,600
And what Anne Beverly told me,
is later she said,
1434
01:02:38,633 --> 01:02:40,800
then they knew they had to go.
1435
01:02:40,833 --> 01:02:44,200
Because the police
were already harassing
them for so many things,
1436
01:02:44,233 --> 01:02:47,100
and now, suddenly
they're waking up with
a dead body in their bed.
1437
01:02:47,133 --> 01:02:48,700
The way I remember
that whole thing
1438
01:02:48,733 --> 01:02:50,200
of Sid and Nancy hooking up
1439
01:02:50,233 --> 01:02:51,667
and then her pretending
to be his "manager"
1440
01:02:51,700 --> 01:02:54,670
and going to New York...
1441
01:02:54,100 --> 01:02:56,767
I have to say, that
things were moving
so fast by that time
1442
01:02:56,800 --> 01:02:58,267
that we didn't give a shit.
1443
01:03:00,400 --> 01:03:01,800
SID: Things aren't getting
any easier.
1444
01:03:01,833 --> 01:03:03,367
It's probably getting
worse and worse.
1445
01:03:03,400 --> 01:03:06,330
I hate this country
and everything to do with it.
1446
01:03:06,670 --> 01:03:07,800
You know, the punk rock thing
1447
01:03:07,833 --> 01:03:09,667
had taken off
and it had momentum.
1448
01:03:09,700 --> 01:03:12,833
And, no Sid, no Nancy
or any of that stuff
could really stop it.
1449
01:03:12,867 --> 01:03:14,800
So, we didn't really
think twice about it.
1450
01:03:14,833 --> 01:03:16,833
SID: I want to go live
somewhere else.
1451
01:03:16,867 --> 01:03:19,400
So, I mean we have
no plans whatsoever.
1452
01:03:19,433 --> 01:03:24,667
We just live today solely
existentialist like
Jean-Paul Sartre.
1453
01:03:27,400 --> 01:03:30,467
His entire, you know, roots
1454
01:03:30,500 --> 01:03:33,467
and everything
that he was obsessed with,
1455
01:03:33,500 --> 01:03:35,467
was in New York as well.
1456
01:03:35,500 --> 01:03:37,500
It was cool. New York was cool.
1457
01:03:37,533 --> 01:03:39,167
"Let's go to New York."
"It sounds good."
1458
01:03:39,200 --> 01:03:42,100
"We can play at Max's,
we can make money."
"Yeah, okay, bro."
1459
01:03:42,133 --> 01:03:43,667
"We'll launch our career
from there."
1460
01:03:43,700 --> 01:03:47,133
His obsession, with,
you know,
The New York Dolls
1461
01:03:47,167 --> 01:03:49,433
and the whole New York
1462
01:03:49,467 --> 01:03:51,500
punk rock
and pre-punk rock scene...
1463
01:03:51,533 --> 01:03:53,330
You know, between
the two of them,
1464
01:03:53,670 --> 01:03:55,333
where else...
That's where they had to go.
1465
01:03:55,367 --> 01:03:57,667
They were so excited.
1466
01:03:57,700 --> 01:03:59,667
They were like,
"We're going to America,
1467
01:03:59,700 --> 01:04:01,267
"and we are gonna just
1468
01:04:02,133 --> 01:04:03,233
"take over."
1469
01:04:04,867 --> 01:04:06,600
As opposed to,
"We're going to America
1470
01:04:06,633 --> 01:04:08,670
"and it's going to eat us."
1471
01:04:21,433 --> 01:04:23,533
[ROCK MUSIC PLAYING]
1472
01:04:30,400 --> 01:04:33,670
HOWIE: On the one hand
I think they came,
1473
01:04:33,100 --> 01:04:35,330
so she could show-off
1474
01:04:35,670 --> 01:04:37,400
and get back at everyone.
1475
01:04:37,433 --> 01:04:40,100
'Cause I don't think
that many people
liked her when she left.
1476
01:04:40,133 --> 01:04:42,767
New York reacted
to the return
1477
01:04:42,800 --> 01:04:44,330
of Nancy
1478
01:04:45,200 --> 01:04:47,330
pretty much
like you would expect.
1479
01:04:47,670 --> 01:04:50,533
She was like some, I guess,
third rate, whatever,
1480
01:04:50,567 --> 01:04:55,200
chick from New York
who never got paid
any attention as she came back.
1481
01:04:55,233 --> 01:04:58,330
It's almost like
a high school thing, you know.
1482
01:04:58,670 --> 01:04:59,200
This is all about her.
1483
01:04:59,233 --> 01:05:01,433
You know what I mean,
this was not about him.
1484
01:05:01,467 --> 01:05:04,330
This was about her.
For her.
You know what I mean.
1485
01:05:04,670 --> 01:05:06,233
She was doing that thing,
1486
01:05:06,267 --> 01:05:07,400
you know, when you pull up
1487
01:05:07,433 --> 01:05:09,333
to your high school reunion
in a Rolls Royce.
1488
01:05:09,367 --> 01:05:12,567
You know,
that's where she was at.
1489
01:05:18,200 --> 01:05:19,833
One year in England.
1490
01:05:19,867 --> 01:05:21,333
She came back with Sid,
1491
01:05:21,367 --> 01:05:23,467
and she had the thickest
Cockney accent
1492
01:05:23,500 --> 01:05:25,330
in the world, you know.
1493
01:05:25,670 --> 01:05:26,400
It's like, you know what...
1494
01:05:27,700 --> 01:05:29,200
The day before she had it,
1495
01:05:29,233 --> 01:05:30,600
she had like this...
I don't know, like,
1496
01:05:30,633 --> 01:05:33,500
Philadelphia, you know...
She grew up in Philadelphia.
1497
01:05:33,533 --> 01:05:36,100
Felt kinda like
the client's Nancy.
1498
01:05:36,133 --> 01:05:40,670
It's almost like
those Americans who come
back with British accents.
1499
01:05:40,100 --> 01:05:42,200
So, she came back
with a British boyfriend
1500
01:05:42,233 --> 01:05:44,133
and British money
and British fame.
1501
01:05:44,167 --> 01:05:47,600
And all of which
was wildly phony.
1502
01:05:47,633 --> 01:05:50,670
ELLIOT: She was Nancy,
you know,
she was running around.
1503
01:05:50,100 --> 01:05:52,367
She was like Mrs. Sid Vicious.
1504
01:05:52,400 --> 01:05:57,267
So, yes, everyone, everyone
really despised her.
1505
01:06:02,333 --> 01:06:05,670
Sid Vicious was barely big
on the underground in America.
1506
01:06:05,100 --> 01:06:07,767
You know, The Pistols
hadn't actually sold any units,
1507
01:06:07,800 --> 01:06:09,567
they'd already split up.
1508
01:06:09,600 --> 01:06:13,367
It would be ten years later
before their album
went Platinum in America.
1509
01:06:13,400 --> 01:06:15,200
So, when he arrived,
1510
01:06:15,233 --> 01:06:18,200
he would've been famous
within his click of people.
1511
01:06:18,233 --> 01:06:22,200
I'm talking about
a very basic underground fame.
1512
01:06:22,233 --> 01:06:24,733
People would throw shit
at us in the streets.
1513
01:06:24,767 --> 01:06:27,433
You know, Sid Vicious
was not a rockstar
1514
01:06:27,467 --> 01:06:30,167
except among
that circle of people.
1515
01:06:37,167 --> 01:06:39,200
As for the landmark
Chelsea Hotel,
1516
01:06:39,233 --> 01:06:41,200
it is more used to names
like Dylan Thomas,
1517
01:06:41,233 --> 01:06:43,333
and Bob Dylan
than that of Sid Vicious.
1518
01:06:43,367 --> 01:06:45,367
The Chelsea hotel was a, uh...
1519
01:06:46,100 --> 01:06:47,633
A fancy low-life
1520
01:06:48,267 --> 01:06:49,467
[LAUGHING]
1521
01:06:49,500 --> 01:06:53,233
nightmare with a hefty history.
1522
01:06:53,267 --> 01:06:57,330
But it's mystique
was that so many artists,
1523
01:06:57,670 --> 01:07:00,400
from Andy Warhol
to Muhammad Ali...
1524
01:07:00,433 --> 01:07:05,700
It was a place where
the it people
would feel comfortable.
1525
01:07:05,733 --> 01:07:08,670
NEON: Dylan Thomas
to Bob Dylan,
1526
01:07:08,100 --> 01:07:12,330
all these brilliant artists
were there at some
period of time.
1527
01:07:12,670 --> 01:07:15,100
I first moved
into the Chelsea in 1975.
1528
01:07:15,133 --> 01:07:17,467
And I lived there
on and off until '81.
1529
01:07:17,500 --> 01:07:19,533
NEON: You're allowed
to do things
1530
01:07:19,567 --> 01:07:21,833
you wouldn't be able to do
in other hotels.
1531
01:07:21,867 --> 01:07:24,670
You can take the bed apart.
1532
01:07:24,100 --> 01:07:27,167
You can throw the bed out.
You can put it in the hallway.
1533
01:07:27,200 --> 01:07:30,567
It was an extremely
dingy, dark place.
1534
01:07:30,600 --> 01:07:34,133
You can paint the walls
each week a different color.
1535
01:07:34,167 --> 01:07:36,800
Hang what you want on it,
nail What you want up on it.
1536
01:07:36,833 --> 01:07:41,200
The rooms were anything
but attractive.
1537
01:07:41,233 --> 01:07:44,133
How dingy your room was
or how posh your room was,
1538
01:07:44,167 --> 01:07:46,700
was up to you, not the hotel.
1539
01:07:46,733 --> 01:07:49,433
LEEE: They were so available
at the Chelsea Hotel.
1540
01:07:49,467 --> 01:07:51,467
Everyone knew where they were.
1541
01:07:51,500 --> 01:07:53,733
And everyone knew
when they had drugs.
1542
01:07:53,767 --> 01:07:56,667
There was no screening
at the front desk.
1543
01:07:56,700 --> 01:07:58,400
People just in and out.
1544
01:07:58,433 --> 01:08:01,400
And every drug dealer
wanted to sell them something
1545
01:08:01,433 --> 01:08:03,733
because, "Yeah,
they've got money
and they're famous."
1546
01:08:03,767 --> 01:08:06,467
STEVE: The Chelsea Hotel,
I think, was also
kind of a...
1547
01:08:06,500 --> 01:08:08,200
Maybe not the greatest
move for them
1548
01:08:08,233 --> 01:08:10,400
because you had a lot
of characters in there.
1549
01:08:10,433 --> 01:08:12,800
Rockets Redglare,
and these sleazy fuckers
1550
01:08:12,833 --> 01:08:15,600
who just wanted to be,
sort of, in there with Sid,
1551
01:08:15,633 --> 01:08:17,567
and obviously, you know...
1552
01:08:17,600 --> 01:08:19,833
Wanting to rub shoulders
1553
01:08:19,867 --> 01:08:22,670
with this icon, you know.
1554
01:08:22,100 --> 01:08:25,533
So, immediately they fell in
with all the creeps.
1555
01:08:25,567 --> 01:08:29,733
And maybe I should say
"us creeps."
[LAUGHING]
1556
01:08:29,767 --> 01:08:33,467
NEON: And there was this blond
there at the reception,
1557
01:08:33,500 --> 01:08:35,633
kinda stumbling.
1558
01:08:35,667 --> 01:08:40,500
Surrounded all these
pound notes and US notes
on the floor.
1559
01:08:40,533 --> 01:08:44,500
And the guy
behind the reception
looking really irritated.
1560
01:08:44,533 --> 01:08:46,800
Like, "Ugh, God!"
1561
01:08:46,833 --> 01:08:48,133
And me and Honi O' Rourke
1562
01:08:48,167 --> 01:08:50,100
went and said,
"You could meet her."
1563
01:08:50,133 --> 01:08:51,333
And it was Nancy.
1564
01:08:51,367 --> 01:08:54,733
She had like a big bruise
on the side of her head.
1565
01:08:54,767 --> 01:08:57,167
She's says, "Oh, wow,
look what happened to me.
1566
01:08:57,200 --> 01:09:01,100
"We were at
Johnny Rotten's place
or something, somebody OD'd."
1567
01:09:01,133 --> 01:09:03,800
Something, and she was hit
with a bat or something.
1568
01:09:03,833 --> 01:09:05,267
We had to leave.
1569
01:09:06,200 --> 01:09:07,700
"Oh, okay.
1570
01:09:07,733 --> 01:09:09,467
"Ah, you want to meet Sid!"
1571
01:09:20,633 --> 01:09:22,267
We got him on to methadone.
1572
01:09:22,300 --> 01:09:25,133
It was one of the first
things we did
because he was not well.
1573
01:09:25,167 --> 01:09:27,200
He came with
a massive habit from London,
1574
01:09:27,233 --> 01:09:29,767
the heroin in London is much
stronger than it was New York,
1575
01:09:29,800 --> 01:09:31,333
so that was the problem.
1576
01:09:31,367 --> 01:09:33,100
So, that wasn't holding him.
1577
01:09:33,133 --> 01:09:37,700
I mean, these are the problems
you have when you travel.
1578
01:09:37,733 --> 01:09:40,167
ALAN: I mean, when they
arrived in America,
1579
01:09:40,200 --> 01:09:41,567
we must remember
1580
01:09:41,600 --> 01:09:43,833
there was a fairly substantial
lump of money due to them
1581
01:09:43,867 --> 01:09:46,133
from the cover
of the song My Way.
1582
01:09:46,167 --> 01:09:50,167
But of course, they were two
very desperate heroin addicts.
1583
01:09:50,200 --> 01:09:51,567
Waiting around for money
1584
01:09:51,600 --> 01:09:54,133
was not particularly
on the agenda on a daily basis.
1585
01:09:54,167 --> 01:09:56,333
She had to have money
readily available.
1586
01:09:56,367 --> 01:09:59,300
ESTHER: Sid and Jerry
were good friends.
1587
01:09:59,333 --> 01:10:02,733
And Jerry suggested
they get a band,
1588
01:10:02,767 --> 01:10:04,533
and so they did.
1589
01:10:04,567 --> 01:10:07,267
Um, it's gonna be Sid,
Jerry Nolan
1590
01:10:07,300 --> 01:10:09,330
and Arthur Kane
from The Dolls
1591
01:10:09,670 --> 01:10:12,500
and Steve Dior
from Jerry's new group
The Idols.
1592
01:10:12,533 --> 01:10:15,833
ESTHER: They were
gonna have Johnny Thunders
play with them.
1593
01:10:15,867 --> 01:10:18,330
But he wasn't very skilled,
you know.
1594
01:10:18,670 --> 01:10:21,833
So, eventually
my brother played with them.
1595
01:10:21,867 --> 01:10:23,600
We finally decided
we were gonna do it.
1596
01:10:23,633 --> 01:10:25,233
Nancy negotiated.
1597
01:10:25,267 --> 01:10:27,533
Actually, Jerry Nolan
negotiated to be
honest with you.
1598
01:10:27,567 --> 01:10:28,733
It was good deal.
1599
01:10:28,767 --> 01:10:30,833
Do two shows a night,
it was a Thursday night,
1600
01:10:30,867 --> 01:10:32,667
two shows, six fellows in.
1601
01:10:33,600 --> 01:10:35,200
I think the place held about...
1602
01:10:35,233 --> 01:10:37,567
You could cram 2,000
in there upstairs.
1603
01:10:37,600 --> 01:10:43,100
I remember, Brenda,
she was booking things
to have Sid play in Max's.
1604
01:10:43,133 --> 01:10:44,800
I mean, she got a big advance
1605
01:10:44,833 --> 01:10:47,333
I think from
Tommy Dean Mills,
Tommy Dean,
1606
01:10:47,367 --> 01:10:50,670
who is the new owner
for Mickey Ruskin.
1607
01:10:50,100 --> 01:10:51,300
So, I think that's pretty good,
1608
01:10:51,333 --> 01:10:53,400
although she didn't have
any power.
1609
01:10:53,433 --> 01:10:57,400
I couldn't go in there
and say, "Okay,
give me all this money."
1610
01:10:57,433 --> 01:10:58,700
You know,
and they say, "Yeah."
1611
01:10:58,733 --> 01:11:00,267
And I haven't even
played note?
1612
01:11:01,533 --> 01:11:04,300
And not many people
in this scene could do that.
1613
01:11:09,233 --> 01:11:10,467
It was a cool show.
1614
01:11:10,500 --> 01:11:13,100
He was happy at
sound check and everything.
1615
01:11:13,133 --> 01:11:16,700
Where Steve Dior...
We're all around,
we're doing the sound check.
1616
01:11:16,733 --> 01:11:19,700
He was just a little
too stoned by the time
showtime rolled around.
1617
01:11:19,733 --> 01:11:21,600
HOWIE: It was very exciting
and packed.
1618
01:11:21,633 --> 01:11:23,300
And it sucked.
1619
01:11:23,333 --> 01:11:25,670
You know, just
like you would expect.
1620
01:11:25,100 --> 01:11:27,500
It didn't suck... I mean,
he was just so fucked up.
1621
01:11:27,533 --> 01:11:29,330
First night, he gets wasted.
1622
01:11:29,670 --> 01:11:32,670
And I said, "Sid, get stoned
after the show, please.
1623
01:11:32,100 --> 01:11:35,433
"Do a good show and let's all
have a good time after."
1624
01:11:35,467 --> 01:11:37,233
Things didn't go well
at that show.
1625
01:11:37,267 --> 01:11:39,367
The crowd was a bit nasty
at the moment.
1626
01:11:39,400 --> 01:11:41,467
Sid could barely stand up,
1627
01:11:41,500 --> 01:11:44,533
he kinda picked up where
he left off in San Francisco.
1628
01:11:44,567 --> 01:11:46,533
And was nodding out
on stage.
1629
01:11:46,567 --> 01:11:50,330
It was a success
because it was packed.
1630
01:11:50,670 --> 01:11:51,433
There were lines
around the block.
1631
01:11:51,467 --> 01:11:54,670
I know they were making quite
good money during the gigs.
1632
01:11:54,100 --> 01:11:55,400
They could do Max's
1633
01:11:55,433 --> 01:11:57,300
and Sid himself would pocket
1634
01:11:57,333 --> 01:12:00,300
probably about three
or four thousand dollars easily.
1635
01:12:00,333 --> 01:12:02,300
I got good money
for those shows.
1636
01:12:02,333 --> 01:12:04,833
And it was pocket money for Sid.
1637
01:12:04,867 --> 01:12:06,433
It was pocket money
for all those people,
1638
01:12:06,467 --> 01:12:08,767
anybody who played
in that band.
1639
01:12:08,800 --> 01:12:10,167
It was good money for.
1640
01:12:11,133 --> 01:12:12,767
[POLICE RADIO CRACKLING]
1641
01:12:18,133 --> 01:12:20,433
ALAN: Leading
up to the death of Nancy,
1642
01:12:20,467 --> 01:12:22,433
things on the New York
underground,
1643
01:12:22,467 --> 01:12:23,833
and this could be
because heroin
1644
01:12:23,867 --> 01:12:27,267
was getting harder to find
on a daily basis,
1645
01:12:27,300 --> 01:12:29,533
did seem to get
a lot more scuzzy.
1646
01:12:29,567 --> 01:12:31,500
The Dead Boys drummer
was famously stabbed
1647
01:12:31,533 --> 01:12:34,330
outside a taxi rank
at 4:00 in the morning.
1648
01:12:34,670 --> 01:12:36,467
And a lot of the people
on the underground
1649
01:12:36,500 --> 01:12:38,300
were arming themselves.
1650
01:12:38,333 --> 01:12:40,670
You know,
it's quite well documented,
1651
01:12:40,100 --> 01:12:42,433
that people like
Dee Dee Ramone
and Steve Bates
1652
01:12:42,467 --> 01:12:43,667
weren't just buying knives,
1653
01:12:43,700 --> 01:12:46,330
they were telling
other people to buy knives.
1654
01:12:46,670 --> 01:12:48,433
Because there was obviously
something going very wrong,
1655
01:12:48,467 --> 01:12:51,433
on the scuzzy side
of Manhattan if you like.
1656
01:12:55,867 --> 01:12:57,800
There shouldn't be
too much doubt,
1657
01:12:57,833 --> 01:13:00,330
uh, in anyone's mind
1658
01:13:00,670 --> 01:13:02,167
that the tension between them
1659
01:13:02,200 --> 01:13:03,733
was coming to a head.
1660
01:13:05,267 --> 01:13:08,670
Don't drop it on me again!
1661
01:13:08,733 --> 01:13:11,467
For anyone that wonders
1662
01:13:11,500 --> 01:13:13,633
at what might have happened
on the 12th,
1663
01:13:13,667 --> 01:13:16,767
I think that you need
to start with those shows.
1664
01:13:16,800 --> 01:13:20,433
You know, she'd gotten
really kinda pushy.
1665
01:13:20,467 --> 01:13:24,200
And a degree of arrogance
which was a disguise, I think,
1666
01:13:24,233 --> 01:13:25,633
for insecurities
1667
01:13:25,667 --> 01:13:28,433
that were going on with her
and Sid and their relationship.
1668
01:13:33,700 --> 01:13:35,800
I think maybe it was Nancy,
1669
01:13:35,833 --> 01:13:38,467
who called up
Honi O'Rourke, right.
1670
01:13:38,500 --> 01:13:43,767
And, uh, says, "Oh,
Sid and I are gonna come by."
1671
01:13:43,800 --> 01:13:46,670
At the time, I don't know,
it was before 12:00,
1672
01:13:46,100 --> 01:13:47,833
several hours before 12:00.
1673
01:13:47,867 --> 01:13:50,400
And they came to the room,
1674
01:13:50,433 --> 01:13:52,467
and Nancy had a portfolio
1675
01:13:52,500 --> 01:13:55,333
of like press clippings.
And we ate.
1676
01:13:55,367 --> 01:13:56,700
They were kinda depressed.
1677
01:13:58,367 --> 01:14:02,367
* She's got some
Nasty habits... *
1678
01:14:02,400 --> 01:14:04,833
NEON: And they started
going through the pictures.
1679
01:14:04,867 --> 01:14:07,167
And he's like,
"Remember that day
1680
01:14:07,200 --> 01:14:09,670
"and now look at us.
1681
01:14:09,100 --> 01:14:11,133
"Look, we're all fucked up."
1682
01:14:11,167 --> 01:14:14,433
It wasn't even exactly feeling
sorry for themselves.
1683
01:14:14,467 --> 01:14:17,367
It was like, "Where are we?
1684
01:14:17,400 --> 01:14:21,667
"Wow, are we ever gonna get
the glory days back?"
1685
01:14:21,700 --> 01:14:23,667
I mean, the one thing
we need to understand about
1686
01:14:23,700 --> 01:14:26,670
October the 12th,
the night that Nancy died,
1687
01:14:26,100 --> 01:14:27,567
there was no heroin about.
1688
01:14:27,600 --> 01:14:31,167
And that's what leads us back
to the Dilaudid and the Tuinal
1689
01:14:31,200 --> 01:14:33,633
and various capsules and pills
that were brought in for them
1690
01:14:33,667 --> 01:14:35,433
by various people that night.
1691
01:14:35,467 --> 01:14:39,330
They left.
This is maybe around 12:00.
1692
01:14:40,200 --> 01:14:41,267
Close to it.
1693
01:14:41,300 --> 01:14:42,600
And then I went out.
1694
01:14:42,633 --> 01:14:43,700
You can imagine, you know,
1695
01:14:43,733 --> 01:14:45,500
Sid and Nancy
were clucking like chickens.
1696
01:14:45,533 --> 01:14:47,667
They were coming down
cold Turkey.
1697
01:14:47,700 --> 01:14:49,667
Which was the worst way
to come off drugs.
1698
01:14:49,700 --> 01:14:51,600
This is why they
were having a party
1699
01:14:51,633 --> 01:14:53,667
and buying a lot of drugs.
1700
01:14:53,700 --> 01:14:55,600
VICTOR: I had gotten in
just after midnight,
1701
01:14:55,633 --> 01:14:59,233
he called and said
they were, you know, looking
1702
01:14:59,267 --> 01:15:00,767
for something to relax with.
1703
01:15:00,800 --> 01:15:03,600
And then I went with Kelly.
1704
01:15:03,633 --> 01:15:06,733
Uh, I think Leon
wanted to bring them
1705
01:15:06,767 --> 01:15:08,600
to the room to get
the brownie points.
1706
01:15:08,633 --> 01:15:11,467
But Kelly insisted and insisted
that I go with her.
1707
01:15:11,500 --> 01:15:13,733
* Really loves to party
1708
01:15:15,833 --> 01:15:18,600
* She never wants to leave...
1709
01:15:19,767 --> 01:15:21,767
It was just Sid there
that I remember.
1710
01:15:21,800 --> 01:15:24,000
Nancy, she just gave us
the money.
1711
01:15:24,367 --> 01:15:25,767
Uh, we left.
1712
01:15:25,800 --> 01:15:28,800
Someone came over and told me
there was a party at Sid's
1713
01:15:28,833 --> 01:15:30,200
and asked me
if I was going.
1714
01:15:30,233 --> 01:15:31,600
I didn't really
wanna be there.
1715
01:15:31,633 --> 01:15:33,433
You didn't know it was going
to be an important night,
1716
01:15:33,467 --> 01:15:35,567
it was just another
night out in New York.
1717
01:15:35,600 --> 01:15:39,733
Then, around 2:00
or something, 3:00,
1718
01:15:39,767 --> 01:15:42,800
I had a violent tooth ache
and a stomach ache.
1719
01:15:42,833 --> 01:15:46,670
Well, it's 19 years ago um...
1720
01:15:46,100 --> 01:15:48,533
But I know I don't go out
before midnight.
1721
01:15:48,567 --> 01:15:51,533
And I know Max's
closes at 4:00.
1722
01:15:51,567 --> 01:15:53,367
Probably somewhere
between 2:00 and 4:00.
1723
01:15:53,400 --> 01:15:55,167
So, I went home.
1724
01:15:55,200 --> 01:15:58,367
And then was seeking some type
of medication like a joint.
1725
01:15:58,400 --> 01:16:02,433
Right, and there was a dancer,
1726
01:16:02,467 --> 01:16:05,833
who lived on another floor.
1727
01:16:05,867 --> 01:16:07,567
hanging out
with a friend of mine, uh,
1728
01:16:07,600 --> 01:16:10,433
Pepe Valentine,
he was from
a group called Squirrels.
1729
01:16:10,467 --> 01:16:11,833
Now, he is Victor Colicchio
1730
01:16:11,867 --> 01:16:14,233
and a girl named Kelly Garrett.
1731
01:16:14,267 --> 01:16:16,233
And I called her up
and asked her,
1732
01:16:16,267 --> 01:16:18,133
"Oh, do you have a joint,
I got a tooth ache and stuff."
1733
01:16:18,167 --> 01:16:19,500
She came down.
1734
01:16:19,533 --> 01:16:21,667
Neon claims to have been
in the room with Kelly
1735
01:16:21,700 --> 01:16:24,670
and no last name
residents of room 301
1736
01:16:24,100 --> 01:16:27,533
where he received a call
from Nancy asking
for pot at 4:00 a.m.
1737
01:16:27,567 --> 01:16:29,100
Nancy called me.
1738
01:16:29,133 --> 01:16:30,367
Wanted to know
if I had a joint.
1739
01:16:30,400 --> 01:16:32,100
She talked about Sid.
1740
01:16:32,133 --> 01:16:33,433
I said, "How is he?"
1741
01:16:33,467 --> 01:16:35,633
And she says, "Oh, he's done
a couple of Dilaudids.
1742
01:16:35,667 --> 01:16:37,533
"And he is out of it
1743
01:16:37,567 --> 01:16:39,267
"and he's useless."
1744
01:16:39,300 --> 01:16:42,300
There was another voice
in the background
and it wasn't Sid.
1745
01:16:42,333 --> 01:16:43,833
I couldn't tell who it was,
1746
01:16:43,867 --> 01:16:45,767
but there was somebody else
in the room.
1747
01:16:45,800 --> 01:16:47,467
And she says, "Okay, well,
1748
01:16:47,500 --> 01:16:50,267
"call if you hear
about something."
1749
01:16:50,300 --> 01:16:53,433
I said, "Yeah, of course."
Right.
1750
01:16:53,467 --> 01:16:55,333
It was I'd say
between 4:00 and 5:00,
1751
01:16:55,367 --> 01:16:57,600
that they came,
that they called up.
1752
01:16:57,633 --> 01:16:59,133
Kelly came down to the room,
1753
01:16:59,167 --> 01:17:01,330
by the time I got dressed
and got down to the room...
1754
01:17:01,670 --> 01:17:02,367
We knocked on the door
1755
01:17:02,400 --> 01:17:04,533
and she opened
the door partially.
1756
01:17:04,567 --> 01:17:07,833
Uh, Sid was out of it,
out of it.
1757
01:17:07,867 --> 01:17:11,833
Uh, and there was a guy
in the room,
1758
01:17:11,867 --> 01:17:15,533
who I believe
always his name to be,
1759
01:17:15,567 --> 01:17:18,400
I would say Snakey, Spidey,
1760
01:17:18,433 --> 01:17:21,300
Skippy, I just remembered...
1761
01:17:21,333 --> 01:17:24,633
You know, a "S" and "E"
in the name.
I didn't pay attention.
1762
01:17:24,667 --> 01:17:26,567
And he was there
and they already had enough.
1763
01:17:26,600 --> 01:17:28,233
Sid was passed out.
1764
01:17:28,267 --> 01:17:31,400
And that was the last time
I saw either one of them.
1765
01:17:32,700 --> 01:17:36,567
So, I walked in, you know,
scanned around the room.
1766
01:17:36,600 --> 01:17:39,600
Sid was passed out on the bed,
passed out.
1767
01:17:39,633 --> 01:17:42,200
WOMAN: Did he move at all
while you were there?
No.
1768
01:17:42,233 --> 01:17:43,500
Never said anything?
1769
01:17:44,670 --> 01:17:45,267
Said anything?
1770
01:17:45,767 --> 01:17:46,767
No.
1771
01:17:47,700 --> 01:17:51,700
I was familiar
with his condition.
1772
01:17:51,733 --> 01:17:54,733
He wasn't sane, he probably
wasn't even dreaming.
1773
01:17:54,767 --> 01:17:59,330
But someone said, uh,
he had about 30 Tuinals.
1774
01:17:59,670 --> 01:18:01,467
ALAN: Basically, like Dilaudid,
it's the kind of drug
1775
01:18:01,500 --> 01:18:03,767
that's given
to cancer patients
1776
01:18:03,800 --> 01:18:05,633
to block out everything.
1777
01:18:05,667 --> 01:18:07,433
WOMAN: What are the
likelihoods that someone
1778
01:18:07,467 --> 01:18:10,633
who had eaten
30 Tuinals would get up
1779
01:18:10,667 --> 01:18:13,267
in an hour,
in a couple of hours and...
1780
01:18:13,300 --> 01:18:15,300
There is no possibility.
1781
01:18:15,867 --> 01:18:17,100
There is none.
1782
01:18:17,133 --> 01:18:20,670
Everybody who was
at that party,
1783
01:18:20,100 --> 01:18:22,733
told me how Sid was so stoned,
1784
01:18:22,767 --> 01:18:25,167
he could not
have lifted that knife,
1785
01:18:25,200 --> 01:18:27,633
much less stabbed
somebody with it.
1786
01:18:27,667 --> 01:18:31,267
Now, 30 Tuinal, you know,
boys and girls, will kill you.
1787
01:18:31,300 --> 01:18:34,500
It's not the kind of
experiment you wanna try
just to be like Sid Vicious.
1788
01:18:34,533 --> 01:18:36,800
It will kill you.
It'll fell a tree.
1789
01:18:36,833 --> 01:18:38,300
Now, whether he ate 30
1790
01:18:38,333 --> 01:18:40,300
or whether he ate three,
I don't know.
1791
01:18:40,333 --> 01:18:44,400
But, I knew people
who could do 30 Tuinals.
1792
01:18:45,133 --> 01:18:46,500
You know.
1793
01:18:46,533 --> 01:18:48,367
I was one of them.
1794
01:18:48,400 --> 01:18:51,330
'Cause when I saw him
and I know the amount
of Tuinals he took...
1795
01:18:51,667 --> 01:18:52,667
And...
1796
01:18:54,233 --> 01:18:56,733
I just can't see him killing
and going back to sleep
1797
01:18:56,767 --> 01:19:00,200
and there was just a lot of it
that didn't make sense.
1798
01:19:00,233 --> 01:19:01,533
I know for a fact
there are people
1799
01:19:01,567 --> 01:19:04,533
who went into that room
that night that Nancy died.
1800
01:19:04,567 --> 01:19:07,367
And when they told
their stories years later,
1801
01:19:07,400 --> 01:19:08,833
they said,
"Talk about the shock
1802
01:19:08,867 --> 01:19:11,133
"when we woke up
the next morning,
Nancy was dead.
1803
01:19:11,167 --> 01:19:13,133
"When we left
the Chelsea that night,
1804
01:19:13,167 --> 01:19:15,200
"we thought we're looking
at the late Sid Vicious.
1805
01:19:15,233 --> 01:19:17,670
A while later,
1806
01:19:17,100 --> 01:19:20,300
there's like a knocking
on the door.
1807
01:19:20,333 --> 01:19:25,633
No, pounding is more,
you know...
And it was so scary.
1808
01:19:25,667 --> 01:19:29,167
And then there was a sound,
to me it sounded like metal,
1809
01:19:30,333 --> 01:19:33,000
hitting the floor.
And some mumbling.
1810
01:19:34,467 --> 01:19:36,833
And, silence.
1811
01:19:36,867 --> 01:19:39,333
Honi O' Rourke came back
around 6:00 or something
1812
01:19:39,367 --> 01:19:41,700
and said that there's some
blood outside the door.
1813
01:19:41,733 --> 01:19:44,500
The thing that really
struck me though
1814
01:19:44,533 --> 01:19:46,733
was why no one had ever talked
to any of the people
1815
01:19:46,767 --> 01:19:48,333
who were actually there.
1816
01:19:48,367 --> 01:19:51,167
That there were so many
people in The Chelsea,
1817
01:19:51,200 --> 01:19:53,433
they were in that room
that night.
1818
01:19:53,467 --> 01:19:55,400
And that none of these people
1819
01:19:55,433 --> 01:19:58,367
seemed to have told anyone
their story.
1820
01:19:58,400 --> 01:20:01,367
As a matter of fact,
in the lobby
of the Chelsea Hotel,
1821
01:20:01,400 --> 01:20:03,567
the next morning,
when all the press,
1822
01:20:04,400 --> 01:20:05,667
and everybody was there,
1823
01:20:05,700 --> 01:20:07,733
there were newspaper people
all over the place,
1824
01:20:07,767 --> 01:20:09,400
I did approach one detective.
1825
01:20:09,433 --> 01:20:11,670
I don't remember his name,
1826
01:20:11,100 --> 01:20:13,133
but he wasn't interested at all
in anything that I had to say.
1827
01:20:13,167 --> 01:20:15,600
And the knife was left here
on the suitcase?
1828
01:20:15,633 --> 01:20:18,433
This is interesting.
I've got a better picture.
1829
01:20:20,233 --> 01:20:22,733
Yeah, look at that.
That's clean.
1830
01:20:22,767 --> 01:20:24,733
No blood,
no fingerprints, nothing.
1831
01:20:26,200 --> 01:20:28,267
VICTOR: I can't see
Sid wiping it.
1832
01:20:28,300 --> 01:20:31,167
And I can't see him, uh,
1833
01:20:31,200 --> 01:20:32,267
placing it there.
1834
01:20:34,533 --> 01:20:35,667
MALCOLM: And I think that
1835
01:20:35,700 --> 01:20:38,667
the mitigating circumstances
were such,
1836
01:20:38,700 --> 01:20:42,670
as told to me by the lawyer
that was representing him,
1837
01:20:42,100 --> 01:20:45,800
if there were no fingerprints
on this particular knife,
1838
01:20:45,833 --> 01:20:48,767
then we would obviously
have a very good case.
1839
01:20:48,800 --> 01:20:50,300
ALAN: Sergeant Houseman,
I think, looked
1840
01:20:50,333 --> 01:20:52,670
into the whole thing
a bit deeper.
1841
01:20:52,100 --> 01:20:54,733
And he suggested,
1842
01:20:54,767 --> 01:20:59,670
that had there been more time
and more digging done,
1843
01:20:59,100 --> 01:21:01,400
it's just possible there may
have been a different outcome
1844
01:21:01,433 --> 01:21:02,800
when the whole thing
got to court.
1845
01:21:02,833 --> 01:21:05,800
I know the police wanted
to speak to six people,
1846
01:21:05,833 --> 01:21:08,670
they never told me
the names of those people,
1847
01:21:09,133 --> 01:21:11,167
but I know
that in the police file,
1848
01:21:11,200 --> 01:21:12,333
there is at least one page
1849
01:21:12,367 --> 01:21:14,400
where six names
have been wiped out.
1850
01:21:14,433 --> 01:21:18,233
VICTOR: These names,
the fingerprints
must have been on record.
1851
01:21:18,267 --> 01:21:21,367
In order for my name
to be on here,
1852
01:21:21,400 --> 01:21:23,267
I would have to give
the cops my fingerprint.
1853
01:21:24,300 --> 01:21:25,533
So, it indicates to me
1854
01:21:25,567 --> 01:21:28,500
that these people
had previous criminal records,
1855
01:21:28,533 --> 01:21:30,767
otherwise, their fingerprints
wouldn't be on file.
1856
01:21:30,800 --> 01:21:32,800
ALAN: I just think it was one
of those scenarios,
1857
01:21:32,833 --> 01:21:34,367
where if they had
a little bit more time,
1858
01:21:34,400 --> 01:21:37,133
they may have done
more with it.
1859
01:21:37,167 --> 01:21:39,200
Right after this thing happened,
1860
01:21:39,233 --> 01:21:41,300
everybody in New York
was suspicious,
1861
01:21:41,333 --> 01:21:43,330
because the stories came out
1862
01:21:43,670 --> 01:21:45,767
that no money
was found in the room.
1863
01:21:47,167 --> 01:21:49,433
And people who'd
been at the party
1864
01:21:49,467 --> 01:21:51,733
saw her flashing
a lot money around.
1865
01:21:51,767 --> 01:21:53,767
NARRATOR: In the weeks leading
up to Nancy's murder,
1866
01:21:53,800 --> 01:21:57,233
Sid had played lucrative gigs
at Max's Kansas City.
1867
01:21:57,267 --> 01:22:00,200
And finally, been paid
his royalties on the sales
of My Way.
1868
01:22:00,233 --> 01:22:02,267
Paid in cash for both.
1869
01:22:02,300 --> 01:22:04,600
Whatever else happened
in room 100 that night,
1870
01:22:04,633 --> 01:22:06,167
are we also supposed to believe
1871
01:22:06,200 --> 01:22:08,267
that all this money
simply vanished?
1872
01:22:08,300 --> 01:22:09,533
Yet during the night,
1873
01:22:09,567 --> 01:22:12,233
the room had been accessed
by drug dealers, junkies,
1874
01:22:12,267 --> 01:22:15,433
band members and by NYPD.
1875
01:22:15,467 --> 01:22:18,633
ALAN: The NYPD had no clue
there was any missing money.
1876
01:22:18,667 --> 01:22:20,167
It's only
when various witnesses
1877
01:22:20,200 --> 01:22:21,400
started giving their statements
1878
01:22:21,433 --> 01:22:24,167
and talking about Nancy
dropping 100-dollar bills
1879
01:22:24,200 --> 01:22:25,533
in the corridor of the Chelsea.
1880
01:22:25,567 --> 01:22:28,800
I remember following Nancy
through the lobby,
1881
01:22:28,833 --> 01:22:30,367
picking up her money
1882
01:22:30,400 --> 01:22:33,600
because she was always dropping
100-dollar bills behind her.
1883
01:22:33,633 --> 01:22:37,433
I felt like Nancy had lost
some of her street smarts.
1884
01:22:37,467 --> 01:22:40,330
And picking those up, "Nancy,
put these away.
1885
01:22:40,670 --> 01:22:43,367
"This is, you know, remember
New York city." [LAUGHING]
1886
01:22:43,400 --> 01:22:45,333
NEON: The old Nancy, right,
1887
01:22:45,367 --> 01:22:48,267
would've never been
in a lobby of a hotel,
1888
01:22:48,300 --> 01:22:50,100
with thousands of pounds.
1889
01:22:50,700 --> 01:22:51,700
In New York?
1890
01:22:52,867 --> 01:22:54,467
What!
1891
01:22:54,500 --> 01:22:56,330
We were like,
"Put your money away.
What are you doing?
1892
01:22:56,670 --> 01:22:57,233
"Don't want people to see that."
1893
01:22:57,267 --> 01:22:59,833
"Are you, you know...
That's nuts!"
1894
01:22:59,867 --> 01:23:01,500
And you know, "Oh, fuck you."
1895
01:23:01,533 --> 01:23:03,433
I mean, she always had
about three grand on her.
1896
01:23:03,467 --> 01:23:05,400
Yeah, some people
1897
01:23:05,433 --> 01:23:07,633
might suspect the cops
have taken it.
1898
01:23:07,667 --> 01:23:10,267
But, uh, um,
1899
01:23:10,300 --> 01:23:11,833
I would think it would've...
1900
01:23:11,867 --> 01:23:13,500
I don't think it was
a motive in the killing,
1901
01:23:13,533 --> 01:23:14,633
but, uh,
1902
01:23:14,667 --> 01:23:16,600
it was an opportunity.
1903
01:23:17,633 --> 01:23:19,100
WOMAN: Sid?
Yeah.
1904
01:23:19,133 --> 01:23:22,200
What did he tell you?
He told me that,
1905
01:23:22,233 --> 01:23:24,633
he saw the drawer where
they kept their money was open.
1906
01:23:25,400 --> 01:23:26,800
And, it was missing.
1907
01:23:26,833 --> 01:23:29,567
And then he went
into the bathroom,
she was under the sink.
1908
01:23:29,600 --> 01:23:30,633
Oh.
1909
01:23:30,667 --> 01:23:32,200
And she was all bloody.
1910
01:23:32,233 --> 01:23:33,667
Somebody came in the room,
1911
01:23:33,700 --> 01:23:36,600
stabbed Nancy,
took the money and left.
1912
01:23:36,633 --> 01:23:40,330
That seemed like
a pretty normal story to me.
1913
01:23:40,670 --> 01:23:43,167
You know that
if you knew Nancy,
1914
01:23:43,200 --> 01:23:46,600
if she caught someone robbing
her money, she would attack.
1915
01:23:46,633 --> 01:23:49,267
There's talk
of a party in the room.
1916
01:23:49,300 --> 01:23:51,600
I can't see it as being
much of a party
1917
01:23:51,633 --> 01:23:54,200
because we know already
that Sid was out cold
1918
01:23:54,233 --> 01:23:57,670
before the night
was too old.
1919
01:23:57,100 --> 01:23:58,800
There were people
in and out of there.
1920
01:23:58,833 --> 01:24:02,233
ALAN: There wasn't
that many people
hanging around and staying.
1921
01:24:02,267 --> 01:24:04,100
HOWIE: And I think
they were the same people
1922
01:24:04,133 --> 01:24:05,233
over and over again.
1923
01:24:11,500 --> 01:24:15,333
We know that some people
said that some "drug dealer"
1924
01:24:15,367 --> 01:24:19,333
from the Chelsea Hotel
had been in there at that time.
1925
01:24:19,367 --> 01:24:21,600
Rockets Redglare,
he was another
1926
01:24:21,633 --> 01:24:23,300
self-seeking nutso.
1927
01:24:23,333 --> 01:24:25,533
Uh, wonderful person,
by the way.
1928
01:24:25,567 --> 01:24:26,767
But, uh, crazy.
1929
01:24:26,800 --> 01:24:29,733
I remember running into
Rockets on Avenue Way.
1930
01:24:29,767 --> 01:24:31,700
I remember
exactly where it was,
1931
01:24:31,733 --> 01:24:33,330
just by the street.
1932
01:24:33,670 --> 01:24:35,733
He'd sort of linked arms
with me and leaned on me
1933
01:24:35,767 --> 01:24:37,467
and he was
a tremendously big guy.
1934
01:24:37,500 --> 01:24:39,633
Told me,
"I'm writing a book.
1935
01:24:39,667 --> 01:24:41,767
"And there's gonna be
some very interesting facts
1936
01:24:41,800 --> 01:24:43,300
"that are gonna come out."
1937
01:24:43,333 --> 01:24:46,267
And I kind of had a feeling.
I knew where he was heading,
1938
01:24:46,300 --> 01:24:47,600
where he was going
with this.
1939
01:24:48,333 --> 01:24:49,600
And I let him go
1940
01:24:49,633 --> 01:24:53,667
and he starts saying,
"I did it."
1941
01:24:53,700 --> 01:24:56,800
And I didn't really
have to say,
"What did you do, Rockets?"
1942
01:24:56,833 --> 01:25:00,567
He was talking about,
you know, the book
1943
01:25:00,600 --> 01:25:03,767
and he was gonna
let people know
that he was the man.
1944
01:25:03,800 --> 01:25:06,433
There were rumors
that it was Rockets Redglare.
1945
01:25:06,467 --> 01:25:09,467
But as I said, he was the first
one insisting it wasn't Sid.
1946
01:25:09,500 --> 01:25:11,500
And I don't think someone
who committed a murder
1947
01:25:11,533 --> 01:25:14,200
would look to clear Sid.
1948
01:25:14,233 --> 01:25:16,200
Um, also he was a meal...
1949
01:25:16,233 --> 01:25:18,200
Sid was Rocket's
meal ticket at the time.
1950
01:25:18,233 --> 01:25:20,633
And I don't think
he would jeopardize,
1951
01:25:20,667 --> 01:25:24,233
and he also like the notoriety
of hanging out with Sid.
1952
01:25:24,267 --> 01:25:27,667
So, he definitely...
When he knew
the spotlight was on him,
1953
01:25:27,700 --> 01:25:30,667
he would, uh...
He would spin a tale or two.
1954
01:25:32,433 --> 01:25:34,233
I'm going, "Hello,
I'm Kathleen Wirt.
1955
01:25:34,267 --> 01:25:35,600
"I'm making a movie
about Sid Vicious.
1956
01:25:35,633 --> 01:25:37,267
"I'm proving
he didn't kill Nancy."
1957
01:25:37,300 --> 01:25:39,533
"Hello, I'm Kathleen Wirt.
I'm making a movie..."
You know.
1958
01:25:39,567 --> 01:25:43,500
And finally, I just said this
offhand to this one girl.
1959
01:25:43,533 --> 01:25:45,633
And she goes, "Oh, my God.
I know he didn't."
1960
01:25:45,667 --> 01:25:47,600
She goes, "That Michael guy
was crazy."
1961
01:25:47,633 --> 01:25:49,533
We're having a meal
before the gig.
1962
01:25:49,567 --> 01:25:52,533
And this kid
was sitting with Nancy,
1963
01:25:52,567 --> 01:25:53,800
blond hair kid.
1964
01:25:53,833 --> 01:25:55,833
And I said,
1965
01:25:55,867 --> 01:25:58,400
"Your boyfriend lived
at the Chelsea in 1978?"
1966
01:25:58,433 --> 01:26:00,600
She said, "Yeah."
And I said, "Was he a junkie?"
1967
01:26:00,633 --> 01:26:02,433
And she goes, "Oh, yeah."
1968
01:26:02,467 --> 01:26:04,567
And I said to Sid, you know,
1969
01:26:05,667 --> 01:26:06,667
"Who is that?"
1970
01:26:08,233 --> 01:26:10,633
And he says,
"Oh, that's Michael.
1971
01:26:10,667 --> 01:26:12,333
"Nancy really likes him."
1972
01:26:12,367 --> 01:26:14,233
She said that he lived
on the sixth floor.
1973
01:26:14,267 --> 01:26:17,467
And that there was a group
of actors that lived up there
1974
01:26:17,500 --> 01:26:19,833
that partied sometimes
with Sid and Nancy.
1975
01:26:19,867 --> 01:26:22,330
Would go down
to this first floor,
1976
01:26:22,670 --> 01:26:24,533
and that he was a part
of this group of people.
1977
01:26:40,333 --> 01:26:42,600
You're kind a young,
you know, maybe cute.
1978
01:26:42,633 --> 01:26:43,833
Maybe Nancy was cute...
I don't know.
1979
01:26:43,867 --> 01:26:45,600
I don't know what kind
of relationship they had.
1980
01:26:45,633 --> 01:26:47,233
Sid didn't really
seem to mind at all.
1981
01:26:47,267 --> 01:26:48,633
So, I was like, "Okay."
1982
01:26:48,667 --> 01:26:50,633
And apparently
he was there the night
1983
01:26:50,667 --> 01:26:52,333
that she was murdered.
1984
01:26:52,367 --> 01:26:53,767
NED: [SPEAKING]
1985
01:27:24,367 --> 01:27:26,633
This kid, um...
1986
01:27:26,667 --> 01:27:29,533
Definitely that the police
wanted to find this guy,
1987
01:27:29,567 --> 01:27:31,300
very anxious to find this guy.
1988
01:27:31,333 --> 01:27:33,533
I felt that they thought,
they knew
1989
01:27:33,567 --> 01:27:35,670
that this is the guy
that did it.
1990
01:27:35,100 --> 01:27:36,233
As far as I was concerned,
1991
01:27:36,267 --> 01:27:38,433
I couldn't tell them
a lot about this guy.
1992
01:27:38,467 --> 01:27:41,567
It was another guy
who just appeared
on the scene all of a sudden.
1993
01:27:41,600 --> 01:27:43,733
Michael had come upstairs,
1994
01:27:43,767 --> 01:27:46,467
after this had happened.
1995
01:27:46,500 --> 01:27:48,330
Sometime early in the morning.
1996
01:27:55,767 --> 01:27:57,800
WRIT: To everyone in the room,
1997
01:27:57,833 --> 01:28:00,267
when he said
that Sid had killed her,
1998
01:28:00,300 --> 01:28:01,800
that no one believed him.
1999
01:28:01,833 --> 01:28:06,633
And that he had shown up
with all of this cash,
2000
01:28:06,667 --> 01:28:09,467
tied up with Nancy's
purple hair tie.
2001
01:28:09,500 --> 01:28:14,533
And they all identified this guy
to the police supposedly.
2002
01:28:14,567 --> 01:28:18,233
Which is why I always thought
that if someone got hold
of the police file,
2003
01:28:18,267 --> 01:28:20,367
that his name
would be in there.
2004
01:28:20,400 --> 01:28:21,667
They closed the book,
2005
01:28:21,700 --> 01:28:23,300
I think 'cause nothing
ever came out about it.
2006
01:28:23,333 --> 01:28:26,267
Because nothing ever came out
about this guy Michael.
2007
01:28:26,300 --> 01:28:27,567
Who he was, and...
2008
01:28:27,600 --> 01:28:30,433
But I do have a drawing
I did of this guy.
2009
01:28:30,467 --> 01:28:31,467
I drew a picture of him
2010
01:28:32,533 --> 01:28:33,533
from memory.
2011
01:28:34,867 --> 01:28:37,567
'Cause I've never seen
a document.
2012
01:28:37,600 --> 01:28:40,167
But I did a sketch of what
I believe is this guy...
2013
01:28:40,200 --> 01:28:42,133
What I remember him
looking like.
2014
01:28:45,133 --> 01:28:47,000
This is the guy
that I think did it.
2015
01:28:48,267 --> 01:28:49,300
Michael.
2016
01:28:57,533 --> 01:28:59,533
NARRATOR: Every witness
who visited Sid and Nancy
2017
01:28:59,567 --> 01:29:01,133
on the night of Nancy's death,
2018
01:29:01,167 --> 01:29:04,800
claims that Sid was out cold
on Tuinal for seven hours.
2019
01:29:04,833 --> 01:29:08,133
This is backed up
by Bellevue Hospital records.
2020
01:29:08,167 --> 01:29:09,433
There are fingerprints
in the room
2021
01:29:09,467 --> 01:29:11,767
of six people
known to the NYPD.
2022
01:29:11,800 --> 01:29:14,267
Yet, there is no police record
of any of them
2023
01:29:14,300 --> 01:29:15,800
ever being questioned.
2024
01:29:15,833 --> 01:29:17,533
The murder weapon
is wiped clean
2025
01:29:17,567 --> 01:29:19,133
of blood and fingerprints.
2026
01:29:19,167 --> 01:29:20,500
How did this happen?
2027
01:29:20,533 --> 01:29:24,330
A large amount of money
simply disappears overnight.
2028
01:29:24,670 --> 01:29:25,467
How? Where to?
2029
01:29:26,100 --> 01:29:27,400
Who is Michael?
2030
01:29:27,433 --> 01:29:28,733
And why do
so many people believe
2031
01:29:28,767 --> 01:29:30,733
he was involved in the murder?
2032
01:29:30,767 --> 01:29:33,233
In more than 30 years
since Nancy's death,
2033
01:29:33,267 --> 01:29:34,333
none of these questions
2034
01:29:34,367 --> 01:29:36,167
have ever been
satisfactorily answered.
2035
01:29:43,100 --> 01:29:44,733
[STATIC]
2036
01:29:49,667 --> 01:29:51,433
[ SOUL SURVIVOR PLAYING]
2037
01:29:54,567 --> 01:29:56,167
* I'm a soul survivor
2038
01:29:56,200 --> 01:29:58,233
* And I live in a world of tack
2039
01:30:00,433 --> 01:30:03,100
* Whatever they say it just
Rolls right across my back
2040
01:30:03,133 --> 01:30:05,533
I actually saw The Great Rock
'N' Roll Swindle the other day.
2041
01:30:05,567 --> 01:30:06,800
It was funny watching Sid do
2042
01:30:06,833 --> 01:30:08,567
My Way and C'Mon Everybody.
2043
01:30:08,600 --> 01:30:12,767
You realize that he was
and could have been
a really great funk man.
2044
01:30:12,800 --> 01:30:15,100
But, hey, wasn't to be.
2045
01:30:15,133 --> 01:30:16,700
You know,
he had a fantastic look.
2046
01:30:16,733 --> 01:30:19,733
He had the best image
of all the punks at that time.
2047
01:30:19,767 --> 01:30:22,633
You know, he's still an icon.
2048
01:30:22,667 --> 01:30:24,600
JONES: The fact
that 30 years later,
2049
01:30:24,633 --> 01:30:26,833
I can still sort of still go
into a comic shop,
2050
01:30:26,867 --> 01:30:29,433
and still see him
and buy a doll.
2051
01:30:29,467 --> 01:30:32,367
Uh, it's just,
just is quite extraordinary.
2052
01:30:32,400 --> 01:30:33,700
KRIS: I recently
had a recklessly
2053
01:30:33,733 --> 01:30:35,433
extravagant time in New York.
2054
01:30:35,467 --> 01:30:37,833
And I went to CBGB's as well
2055
01:30:37,867 --> 01:30:40,400
and there was a Bob Gruen
exhibition there.
2056
01:30:40,433 --> 01:30:44,500
And Sid figures
prominently throughout it all
2057
01:30:44,533 --> 01:30:46,433
as being the face of punk.
2058
01:30:46,467 --> 01:30:49,670
If he didn't die,
I'd dare say he could
have been playing at Vegas,
2059
01:30:49,100 --> 01:30:51,670
you know, might be
2060
01:30:51,100 --> 01:30:53,700
running through
rock and roll numbers,
2061
01:30:53,733 --> 01:30:56,167
a few Sex Pistols numbers
and a couple of Sinatras.
2062
01:30:57,400 --> 01:30:58,767
It's always the same,
isn't it?
2063
01:30:58,800 --> 01:31:01,433
If you die that young,
that tragically
2064
01:31:01,467 --> 01:31:04,670
in such a sensational
spotlight like that,
2065
01:31:04,100 --> 01:31:07,367
um, you're almost
sort of like in amber.
2066
01:31:07,400 --> 01:31:09,300
It's happened to so many people.
2067
01:31:09,333 --> 01:31:12,367
You can see it all from
James Dean, Marilyn Monroe.
2068
01:31:12,400 --> 01:31:14,330
I've never met
anybody like him.
2069
01:31:14,670 --> 01:31:17,333
I probably never will meet
anyone like him again.
2070
01:31:18,800 --> 01:31:20,567
One unique character.
2071
01:31:20,600 --> 01:31:22,200
[ SOUL SURVIVOR PLAYING]
2072
01:31:22,233 --> 01:31:25,500
* And yesterday's flowers
Will be placed upon your head
2073
01:31:27,633 --> 01:31:30,233
* So come on, come on
Come on, come on
2074
01:31:30,267 --> 01:31:33,330
* Let's roll
Through rings of fire
2075
01:31:33,670 --> 01:31:35,633
* Come on, come on
Come on, come on
2076
01:31:35,667 --> 01:31:38,467
* Let's light
This flames' desire
2077
01:31:38,500 --> 01:31:40,833
* So come on, come on
Come on, come on
2078
01:31:40,867 --> 01:31:43,667
* Let's light this flaming fire
2079
01:31:43,700 --> 01:31:46,200
* So come on, come on
Come on, come on
2080
01:31:47,167 --> 01:31:49,433
* Soul survivor
2081
01:31:49,467 --> 01:31:50,767
* Soul survivor
2082
01:31:50,800 --> 01:31:51,800
* Soul survivor
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