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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:26,245 --> 00:00:27,925 Madeleine was a very strange case 2 00:00:28,005 --> 00:00:33,525 because they usually never go after middle-class or high-class people. 3 00:00:34,205 --> 00:00:38,885 They usually go for lower-class kids, third world countries. 4 00:00:39,725 --> 00:00:42,765 That's the main supplier of all these gangs. 5 00:00:44,325 --> 00:00:49,165 So my idea, it's that the value that Madeleine had was really high 6 00:00:50,365 --> 00:00:53,965 because if they took her, it's because they were gonna get a lot of money. 7 00:00:59,645 --> 00:01:03,445 Brian Kennedy or the McCanns contracted Método 3. 8 00:01:05,205 --> 00:01:07,765 Método 3 were passionate, 9 00:01:08,525 --> 00:01:11,645 fearless, focused, 10 00:01:11,925 --> 00:01:13,965 and they attacked it. 11 00:01:15,285 --> 00:01:18,925 Francisco Marco was the director of the agency. 12 00:01:19,405 --> 00:01:21,005 He was my boss. 13 00:01:21,565 --> 00:01:27,565 This case for Método 3 was the biggest case they have done, ever. 14 00:01:30,085 --> 00:01:35,325 We have the description of the woman and the man involved. 15 00:01:35,765 --> 00:01:38,885 Maddie was alive two days after the kidnapping. 16 00:01:39,805 --> 00:01:42,085 Madeleine was in a car 17 00:01:42,805 --> 00:01:48,245 and she was given to another person inside Portugal. 18 00:01:49,925 --> 00:01:52,205 I'm not saying we are maybe, no, no, no. 19 00:01:52,285 --> 00:01:56,245 We are very, very close to find the kidnapper. 20 00:01:58,405 --> 00:02:00,085 My phone started going off. 21 00:02:00,165 --> 00:02:03,725 There was unknown callers and my siblings were trying to reach me, 22 00:02:03,805 --> 00:02:07,565 my kids were trying to reach me, and I knew something had happened. 23 00:02:12,205 --> 00:02:15,525 I care about reality, not about fiction. 24 00:02:16,005 --> 00:02:20,365 The lies and the untruths will be acted upon very rapidly. 25 00:02:55,645 --> 00:02:56,725 I started working 26 00:02:56,805 --> 00:03:01,325 and getting into different chats and different pages. 27 00:03:04,725 --> 00:03:07,885 And I started getting myself inside that world. 28 00:03:09,925 --> 00:03:12,325 These websites that are on the deep web, 29 00:03:12,405 --> 00:03:15,285 they are not indexed so nobody can find them. 30 00:03:15,645 --> 00:03:18,525 Basically, no one can access if you are not a friend 31 00:03:18,605 --> 00:03:22,245 that trusts you and that give you access to those websites. 32 00:03:24,165 --> 00:03:26,285 I tried to obtain anything related with Madeleine 33 00:03:26,365 --> 00:03:30,005 and that's my final goal and my final question was that, 34 00:03:30,085 --> 00:03:33,965 always, "Do you know anything about Madeleine? Have you seen any videos? 35 00:03:34,045 --> 00:03:36,925 Do you... have heard of any videos?" 36 00:03:40,485 --> 00:03:42,645 Finally, I reach a person 37 00:03:42,725 --> 00:03:45,205 that had deep contacts inside that world. 38 00:03:47,005 --> 00:03:51,085 He sent me several videos, uh, files. 39 00:03:52,205 --> 00:03:54,765 Little by little, I was asking for more, for more, for more. 40 00:03:55,285 --> 00:04:00,525 What I was doing, the police usually, uh, works the same way. 41 00:04:00,765 --> 00:04:04,165 All the information that I was collecting, I was gonna share with the police. 42 00:04:05,485 --> 00:04:10,165 I went into the darkest places of the human being. 43 00:04:11,205 --> 00:04:13,845 I've seen things that I have to live with that all my life, 44 00:04:13,925 --> 00:04:16,805 that's things that you cannot forget or erase. 45 00:04:25,845 --> 00:04:28,285 In the early 2000s, 46 00:04:28,685 --> 00:04:32,525 the US government created a tool to enable people 47 00:04:32,605 --> 00:04:35,685 to use the internet anonymously. 48 00:04:36,485 --> 00:04:39,365 It was to protect intelligence communications, 49 00:04:39,445 --> 00:04:43,245 to protect political dissidents, and journalists. 50 00:04:43,925 --> 00:04:45,845 What apparently nobody contemplated 51 00:04:46,685 --> 00:04:52,125 was that these same tools would be used by paedophile organisations, 52 00:04:52,205 --> 00:04:54,605 by human traffickers, by drug traffickers, 53 00:04:54,685 --> 00:04:56,085 by weapons traffickers, 54 00:04:56,165 --> 00:04:58,045 by terrorist organisations. 55 00:05:01,245 --> 00:05:03,885 There's a tsunami of indecent images online. 56 00:05:05,125 --> 00:05:07,125 Current estimates are in the UK alone, 57 00:05:07,445 --> 00:05:09,565 that 100,000 IP addresses, 58 00:05:09,645 --> 00:05:10,925 computer IP addresses, 59 00:05:11,125 --> 00:05:14,925 can be downloading indecent images of children at any given moment in time. 60 00:05:16,565 --> 00:05:19,205 In tragic cases like Madeleine McCann's, 61 00:05:19,685 --> 00:05:23,085 you should never rule out a commercial motive. 62 00:05:27,565 --> 00:05:30,845 We have a very, very safe country, 63 00:05:30,925 --> 00:05:36,285 but we cannot forget that we are not alone in the world. 64 00:05:37,525 --> 00:05:43,645 We have the information that our country is used 65 00:05:44,045 --> 00:05:50,085 by traffickers to pass children to other countries. 66 00:05:52,805 --> 00:05:56,685 They enter the country through Algarve 67 00:05:56,965 --> 00:06:01,645 and then they go to Spain, to France, 68 00:06:01,925 --> 00:06:04,885 to Germany to be exploited. 69 00:06:07,045 --> 00:06:11,325 They have a very strong structure 70 00:06:11,645 --> 00:06:18,285 that allows them to move human beings from one country to another 71 00:06:18,445 --> 00:06:20,685 in a matter of hours. 72 00:06:24,365 --> 00:06:25,685 It's very easy. 73 00:06:26,965 --> 00:06:29,485 It's frightening because it is very easy. 74 00:06:31,805 --> 00:06:36,645 Portugal's population knew that there had been cases 75 00:06:36,725 --> 00:06:40,845 of child abuse and abductions 76 00:06:40,925 --> 00:06:46,605 that were sent to international paedophilia networks. 77 00:06:46,925 --> 00:06:50,925 There was a case 78 00:06:51,005 --> 00:06:54,365 called Casa Pia. The João Pedro case. 79 00:06:54,445 --> 00:06:55,845 It was a problem 80 00:06:55,925 --> 00:07:02,005 that worried society a lot. 81 00:07:08,925 --> 00:07:11,005 It's the bogeyman, it's the fear factor. 82 00:07:12,485 --> 00:07:14,781 You've got to remember, there are paedophiles in every country 83 00:07:14,805 --> 00:07:16,085 and every country has its story, 84 00:07:16,165 --> 00:07:19,445 the Beast of Belgium, you know, and keeping children trapped 85 00:07:19,725 --> 00:07:23,485 for many years in cells that you build within your home. 86 00:07:28,605 --> 00:07:32,405 The lead of Belgian paedophile network is also very possible. 87 00:07:40,165 --> 00:07:44,805 There are people who kidnap kids for the account of other people. 88 00:07:45,605 --> 00:07:47,965 This has happened over the years. 89 00:07:50,605 --> 00:07:52,965 On internet, on this topic, 90 00:07:53,045 --> 00:07:55,965 there are catalogues with children, 91 00:07:56,525 --> 00:08:00,765 with ages, blond, this, that. 92 00:08:00,925 --> 00:08:02,685 They are on sale. 93 00:08:03,005 --> 00:08:04,645 What are the police doing? 94 00:08:04,725 --> 00:08:07,165 Why this is even possible? 95 00:08:07,565 --> 00:08:11,085 Why, when there is money missing 96 00:08:11,765 --> 00:08:15,765 from somebody who has a tax evasion status, 97 00:08:15,965 --> 00:08:17,525 everybody's on alert, 98 00:08:17,605 --> 00:08:20,725 we find the money, we find the person, we find everything. 99 00:08:21,165 --> 00:08:22,885 But when there are kids, 100 00:08:23,965 --> 00:08:25,005 there is no one. 101 00:08:26,645 --> 00:08:31,925 Human trafficking on the planet today is a $150-billion-a-year enterprise. 102 00:08:32,165 --> 00:08:34,245 While only two per cent 103 00:08:34,325 --> 00:08:39,005 of so-called dark websites are paedophile sites, 104 00:08:40,765 --> 00:08:44,405 they account for more than 80 percent of dark web traffic. 105 00:08:47,045 --> 00:08:49,805 Infiltration is the primary investigative technique, 106 00:08:49,965 --> 00:08:53,005 but it is time-consuming, it's expensive, 107 00:08:53,645 --> 00:08:59,925 and one of the criteria for participation in these dark web groups 108 00:09:00,085 --> 00:09:04,525 is you have to provide images of children that nobody's ever seen before. 109 00:09:06,605 --> 00:09:11,165 I had to comment with them, how good they were. 110 00:09:11,525 --> 00:09:15,645 It's like any kind of relationship, little by little, gaining the trust. 111 00:09:18,005 --> 00:09:23,965 It marks you or it changes your way of thinking about things, of course. 112 00:09:30,925 --> 00:09:32,285 Francisco Marco, 113 00:09:32,325 --> 00:09:35,525 a Spanish investigator hired by a supporter of the McCanns, 114 00:09:35,605 --> 00:09:38,165 is making even more startling claims. 115 00:09:38,765 --> 00:09:42,725 We are very, very close to finding the kidnapper. 116 00:09:43,365 --> 00:09:47,125 When pressed, Marco claimed he could say no more when working on the case. 117 00:09:47,325 --> 00:09:51,165 It's the kind of news the McCanns have heard before, but they're hopeful. 118 00:09:55,925 --> 00:09:57,805 The day that Francisco Marco, 119 00:09:57,885 --> 00:10:00,485 director of Método 3, made his claim, 120 00:10:01,445 --> 00:10:04,925 the statement was, "We know who took Madeleine, 121 00:10:05,685 --> 00:10:06,805 We know where she is, 122 00:10:06,885 --> 00:10:08,725 and we know how he did it." 123 00:10:11,005 --> 00:10:13,285 Francisco Marco didn't know anything 124 00:10:13,365 --> 00:10:15,925 about what was happening with the Madeleine McCann case. 125 00:10:16,205 --> 00:10:19,045 At the end, it was only me working on this, 126 00:10:19,125 --> 00:10:21,365 having a direct relation with Brian Kennedy. 127 00:10:24,685 --> 00:10:27,605 It was unbelievable. We didn't have a single clue. 128 00:10:27,805 --> 00:10:30,605 We didn't know who took her, 129 00:10:30,685 --> 00:10:32,485 where she was, nothing. 130 00:10:34,845 --> 00:10:36,405 I was ashamed, of course. 131 00:10:36,925 --> 00:10:38,805 Uh, I was shocked and ashamed. 132 00:10:40,245 --> 00:10:41,965 It was a difficult situation 133 00:10:42,045 --> 00:10:44,965 and I knew Brian was really, really, really mad. 134 00:10:47,205 --> 00:10:50,925 Imagine you are the McCanns and you are home and you see that. 135 00:10:51,925 --> 00:10:55,325 The director of your private investigation says something like that. 136 00:10:58,525 --> 00:11:00,205 "Where's Madeleine? Who took her?" 137 00:11:00,285 --> 00:11:01,285 "I don't know." 138 00:11:02,005 --> 00:11:04,925 That was his answer. That's the only answer he had. 139 00:11:07,965 --> 00:11:11,645 We had dinner and I went outside with Francisco Marco to have a cigarette, 140 00:11:12,165 --> 00:11:16,485 and he told me, "The benefit that I'm gonna get from this, 141 00:11:16,565 --> 00:11:17,805 it's publicity." 142 00:11:19,085 --> 00:11:20,965 For him, this was business. 143 00:11:21,245 --> 00:11:23,965 This was, uh, something good for his company. 144 00:11:25,125 --> 00:11:26,925 He didn't care about Madeleine McCann. 145 00:11:30,965 --> 00:11:36,925 Brian Kennedy got mad. The McCanns also asked for an explanation. 146 00:11:39,125 --> 00:11:42,565 I know Método 3 said some silly things 147 00:11:43,285 --> 00:11:44,725 that they shouldn't have said. 148 00:11:44,805 --> 00:11:48,125 I lost the plot a bit towards the end and you can understand why. 149 00:11:48,205 --> 00:11:51,405 After months of looking, going down dead ends, 150 00:11:51,485 --> 00:11:53,845 you can understand why people lose the plot. 151 00:11:54,405 --> 00:11:56,525 I think the same happened to Método 3. 152 00:11:57,725 --> 00:12:00,565 My ex-boss called me and he told me 153 00:12:00,645 --> 00:12:05,285 that Brian Kennedy wanted to stop working with Método 3 154 00:12:05,365 --> 00:12:08,605 and that it was... it was over. 155 00:12:17,805 --> 00:12:19,805 The McCanns were becoming frustrated 156 00:12:20,205 --> 00:12:22,805 so they contracted with an American company 157 00:12:22,885 --> 00:12:24,325 called Oakley International, 158 00:12:24,405 --> 00:12:28,405 who had a reputation as being among the big boys in investigations. 159 00:12:37,565 --> 00:12:39,445 They were promised all sorts of things, 160 00:12:39,485 --> 00:12:45,565 that the people working for Oakley were former FBI, CIA, and MI6, 161 00:12:45,725 --> 00:12:49,365 that they had the latest investigative tools, techniques, 162 00:12:49,485 --> 00:12:52,965 the technology available to them, that they could do all sorts of things 163 00:12:53,045 --> 00:12:57,085 that Método 3, their previous investigators, could not do. 164 00:12:57,525 --> 00:13:00,885 There comes a point where you decide to, "Let's up the game a bit. 165 00:13:00,965 --> 00:13:03,725 Let's try and bring in someone... someone else, 166 00:13:03,805 --> 00:13:06,086 someone who's gonna approach this from a different angle." 167 00:13:06,765 --> 00:13:11,645 So we took them on for a very expensive contract, 168 00:13:11,725 --> 00:13:12,805 part-paid them, 169 00:13:13,045 --> 00:13:15,245 and they went about their business. 170 00:13:18,445 --> 00:13:20,805 I found out about the case from a mutual friend 171 00:13:21,205 --> 00:13:23,205 and he says, "Expect a call from Kevin." 172 00:13:24,485 --> 00:13:26,885 Kevin Halligen was the president and head of Oakley. 173 00:13:26,965 --> 00:13:29,725 In fact, he personified Oakley. 174 00:13:30,845 --> 00:13:35,125 Everyone, even his partners, recognised Kevin was Oakley. 175 00:13:36,405 --> 00:13:39,765 It's common that you code name your project, 176 00:13:39,965 --> 00:13:43,005 you code name, uh, certain suspects. 177 00:13:43,725 --> 00:13:46,245 One of the code names used was Project Omega. 178 00:13:48,805 --> 00:13:53,525 Kevin had access to a dream team that would impress the daylights out of you. 179 00:13:53,765 --> 00:13:55,365 Top in their field. 180 00:13:56,165 --> 00:13:57,325 They had skills. 181 00:13:58,965 --> 00:14:01,645 They certainly did have experience. 182 00:14:03,045 --> 00:14:05,445 Oakley were more secretive, you know, 183 00:14:05,525 --> 00:14:08,765 a lot more kind of secret agent kind of stuff, you know? 184 00:14:09,245 --> 00:14:11,845 We've all heard of polygraphs or lie detectors. 185 00:14:11,925 --> 00:14:13,565 How about a truth detector 186 00:14:13,645 --> 00:14:16,525 that tells investigators a lot more than you say? 187 00:14:17,205 --> 00:14:19,845 Uh, the last vacation you took. 188 00:14:20,205 --> 00:14:22,845 Essentially, the technology is computer-based 189 00:14:23,485 --> 00:14:26,485 and it listens to the frequencies of the voice. 190 00:14:26,805 --> 00:14:28,365 And you asked me about my shoes 191 00:14:28,445 --> 00:14:30,125 and I said, "They were a great deal," 192 00:14:30,205 --> 00:14:31,885 and it showed up as inaccurate. 193 00:14:31,965 --> 00:14:34,325 I did several analyses for him, 194 00:14:34,405 --> 00:14:37,205 conducting interviews and recording them, 195 00:14:37,285 --> 00:14:39,485 and I analysed suspects. 196 00:14:40,365 --> 00:14:43,525 When you said you wear them a lot, you're using a commonly understood language 197 00:14:43,605 --> 00:14:44,845 that people know what you mean, 198 00:14:44,925 --> 00:14:47,205 but you know what the true meaning of the language is 199 00:14:47,405 --> 00:14:50,365 and to your mind, that was an inaccurate statement. 200 00:14:50,645 --> 00:14:54,605 And we can see down to five levels of your subconscious. 201 00:14:54,685 --> 00:14:57,805 I can see if they're thinking from their memory or their imagination. 202 00:14:58,565 --> 00:15:01,965 As well as whether your statement is deceptive. 203 00:15:02,045 --> 00:15:04,725 Rich Parton, thanks very much, and we would just like to say 204 00:15:04,805 --> 00:15:08,125 Headline News, of course, does not endorse any of the technology we showcase, 205 00:15:08,205 --> 00:15:10,805 we just bring you some of the latest things that are out there. 206 00:15:13,125 --> 00:15:16,205 I just remember feeling a little bit sceptical about them 207 00:15:16,725 --> 00:15:18,245 and, you know, they were checked out. 208 00:15:18,325 --> 00:15:20,685 Ultimately, it wasn't my decision on who we brought in. 209 00:15:27,045 --> 00:15:29,045 Things seemed to be going pretty well. 210 00:15:29,645 --> 00:15:33,445 Oakley had set up a hotline to accept tips. 211 00:15:33,645 --> 00:15:35,845 They had people on the ground in Praia da Luz, 212 00:15:36,325 --> 00:15:40,285 good people who were working hard and trying to develop contacts. 213 00:15:41,685 --> 00:15:46,085 Oakley sat down with an Irishman named Martin Smith and his family, 214 00:15:46,165 --> 00:15:50,605 who had been witnesses in Praia da Luz on the night of Madeleine's disappearance 215 00:15:51,165 --> 00:15:53,405 who, at around 10 p.m. that evening, 216 00:15:53,605 --> 00:15:58,805 had seen a man carrying a little girl wearing pyjamas in the street 217 00:15:58,885 --> 00:16:01,165 not far from the Ocean Club. 218 00:16:01,845 --> 00:16:07,205 This is an interview that was conducted with the Smiths in August. 219 00:16:09,485 --> 00:16:14,525 The reason that their time is important is that it hasn't changed. 220 00:16:15,125 --> 00:16:19,565 Maybe it's because they had a few of them that noticed this event all together. 221 00:16:22,165 --> 00:16:25,205 What they did was that they sent their police sketch artist 222 00:16:25,285 --> 00:16:28,085 to work with the family and develop two sketches, 223 00:16:28,165 --> 00:16:31,205 um, e-fits or identikit sketches 224 00:16:31,285 --> 00:16:32,805 of the man they saw, 225 00:16:34,245 --> 00:16:37,205 and these are now in circulation still 226 00:16:37,285 --> 00:16:39,725 as the sighting of a man of potential interest. 227 00:16:41,725 --> 00:16:45,205 Oakley also had Jane Tanner's description 228 00:16:45,285 --> 00:16:48,205 and the Cooperman sketch. 229 00:16:52,045 --> 00:16:54,845 Oakley began a manhunt in the area 230 00:16:55,085 --> 00:16:57,685 and came up with some other suspects 231 00:16:57,765 --> 00:17:03,405 who had similar appearance to the drawings that came from each person's description. 232 00:17:05,965 --> 00:17:08,485 They interviewed them, some they released, 233 00:17:08,805 --> 00:17:10,805 but one man they tracked back to a van. 234 00:17:36,125 --> 00:17:38,845 I do remember Kevin was mentioning 235 00:17:38,925 --> 00:17:41,645 that, uh, they were tracking a van 236 00:17:41,965 --> 00:17:44,605 One of the suspects that was seen in PDL that night, 237 00:17:44,965 --> 00:17:47,405 they had tracked him to where he's living in a van 238 00:17:47,485 --> 00:17:52,645 and they had, um, all kinds of surveillance on this individual. 239 00:18:18,445 --> 00:18:20,365 Looking exhausted but resolute, 240 00:18:20,445 --> 00:18:23,845 Kate and Gerry McCann returned with their three-year-old twins 241 00:18:23,925 --> 00:18:25,765 to the Liverpool church where they married 242 00:18:25,845 --> 00:18:30,085 to mark the one-year anniversary of the day a light went out for their family. 243 00:18:33,365 --> 00:18:35,325 The mother of Madeleine McCann 244 00:18:35,405 --> 00:18:38,645 has sent a message of thanks to the people of Praia da Luz in Portugal 245 00:18:38,965 --> 00:18:41,645 on the anniversary of her daughter's disappearance. 246 00:18:49,205 --> 00:18:52,565 Where there is good in the world, let this good unite. 247 00:18:53,645 --> 00:18:57,165 Where there is strength, let us be giants in the face of darkness. 248 00:18:57,925 --> 00:19:02,005 Where there is hope, let our hearts long for Madeleine's return. 249 00:19:19,405 --> 00:19:21,661 Cleared as suspects, the investigation shelved, 250 00:19:21,685 --> 00:19:24,725 the parents of Madeleine McCann say they're relieved to be cleared 251 00:19:24,805 --> 00:19:26,885 of any involvement in their daughter's disappearance. 252 00:19:26,925 --> 00:19:29,741 The decision has been reached that Kate and Gerry McCann 253 00:19:29,765 --> 00:19:32,205 and Robert Murat's arguido status will be lifted... 254 00:19:42,325 --> 00:19:46,405 We welcome the news today, although it is no cause for celebration. 255 00:19:48,325 --> 00:19:51,205 It's hard to describe how utterly despairing it was 256 00:19:51,445 --> 00:19:56,085 to be named arguido and subsequently portrayed in the media 257 00:19:56,525 --> 00:19:58,965 as suspects in our own daughter's abduction. 258 00:19:59,125 --> 00:20:02,485 When the prosecutor decided not to charge them, 259 00:20:03,085 --> 00:20:07,325 both Polícia Judiciária and the prosecutors said 260 00:20:07,405 --> 00:20:09,645 that there was nothing against the father and mother. 261 00:20:10,325 --> 00:20:13,445 We look forward to scrutinising the police files 262 00:20:13,525 --> 00:20:15,525 to see what has actually been done 263 00:20:16,445 --> 00:20:19,605 and, more importantly, what can still be done 264 00:20:20,205 --> 00:20:23,565 as we leave no stone unturned in the search for our little girl. 265 00:20:24,365 --> 00:20:27,805 For me, it was of course a victory and a joy. 266 00:20:28,245 --> 00:20:30,805 My mission is accomplished here. 267 00:20:31,525 --> 00:20:33,581 Madeleine McCann's parents are expected 268 00:20:33,605 --> 00:20:36,205 to be given access to the official police files 269 00:20:36,285 --> 00:20:39,285 on their daughter's disappearance by the end of this week. 270 00:20:39,365 --> 00:20:41,765 Kate and Gerry McCann and a third Briton, Robert Murat, 271 00:20:41,845 --> 00:20:44,605 are no longer formal suspects in the investigation 272 00:20:44,685 --> 00:20:48,085 and Portuguese officials say they are now shelving the case. 273 00:20:52,325 --> 00:20:56,085 The prosecutors in the case said that the McCanns had suffered enough. 274 00:20:57,085 --> 00:21:00,245 The disappearance of the child was not a mystery novel. 275 00:21:00,325 --> 00:21:02,085 It wasn't a Sherlock Holmes. 276 00:21:03,405 --> 00:21:07,485 At that point, they said they were going to stop further investigation 277 00:21:07,565 --> 00:21:11,525 until such a time that more productive lines of inquiry might be developed. 278 00:21:12,245 --> 00:21:15,565 With that, they shelved the case, and the arguido status 279 00:21:15,645 --> 00:21:19,845 that had hung over Gerry and Kate McCann and Robert Murat was lifted. 280 00:21:26,085 --> 00:21:29,005 Just over there is where I, in 2007, 281 00:21:29,085 --> 00:21:32,525 was brought for the first time to the PJ in that building over there. 282 00:21:35,605 --> 00:21:36,965 I spent 19 hours. 283 00:21:37,245 --> 00:21:39,525 It was a long, painful day. 284 00:21:41,485 --> 00:21:44,885 I was in a world of my own, I suppose. It was just absolutely... 285 00:21:45,445 --> 00:21:47,445 Um, I didn't know what was going on. 286 00:21:47,525 --> 00:21:51,925 I had absolutely no idea what was going on in my life at that time. 287 00:22:00,525 --> 00:22:04,085 After being dropped off, I had to climb over the wall here 288 00:22:04,405 --> 00:22:06,165 and then get back into the house 289 00:22:06,365 --> 00:22:08,805 because the front of the property was covered in journalists. 290 00:22:15,325 --> 00:22:18,845 It was horrible being completely constrained inside this house. 291 00:22:19,405 --> 00:22:21,805 We had people trying to climb over the fences and walls 292 00:22:21,885 --> 00:22:23,405 and helicopters over the top. 293 00:22:28,005 --> 00:22:32,365 When the case was closed and the arguido status was lifted, 294 00:22:33,205 --> 00:22:35,445 I felt that it would make a big difference, 295 00:22:36,045 --> 00:22:37,445 um, and it didn't. 296 00:22:39,885 --> 00:22:42,605 Having the words of something being lifted is one thing. 297 00:22:42,685 --> 00:22:48,605 Actually having something firm and final is something else. 298 00:22:49,405 --> 00:22:50,765 And that wasn't firm and final. 299 00:22:50,885 --> 00:22:53,325 That was just closing a case because they hadn't... 300 00:22:53,405 --> 00:22:55,205 They couldn't find anything else, 301 00:22:55,285 --> 00:23:00,245 not closing the case because they had discovered the truth. 302 00:23:10,605 --> 00:23:14,365 Mr Amaral is publishing a book to make money 303 00:23:15,005 --> 00:23:17,685 and all of this publicity surrounding it... 304 00:23:17,885 --> 00:23:20,365 Two weeks, three editions sold out. 305 00:23:20,445 --> 00:23:21,605 A fourth now available. 306 00:23:21,685 --> 00:23:25,085 Many interested reading in Portugal and the United Kingdom alike... 307 00:23:26,765 --> 00:23:31,885 The book I wrote was a defence of a number of attacks. 308 00:23:32,325 --> 00:23:36,325 I was called so many things... Incompetent, drunkard, fat, 309 00:23:36,405 --> 00:23:37,885 and so on. 310 00:23:41,005 --> 00:23:44,165 And during that time, I appealed to the National Director of Policia Judiciária 311 00:23:44,925 --> 00:23:48,085 to defend my team and me. 312 00:23:51,605 --> 00:23:53,285 And this didn't happen 313 00:23:53,365 --> 00:23:55,885 so that's when I made the decision to publish the book. 314 00:23:55,965 --> 00:23:58,045 Whether it's truth or lies, 315 00:23:58,085 --> 00:23:59,765 this is now a matter of public knowledge. 316 00:24:02,285 --> 00:24:05,445 Usually when they ask me about the books of Gonçalo Amaral, 317 00:24:05,765 --> 00:24:07,565 my answer is always the same. 318 00:24:07,685 --> 00:24:10,845 "I care about reality, not about fiction." 319 00:24:12,325 --> 00:24:14,565 To write a book for your own personal gain, 320 00:24:15,165 --> 00:24:17,525 you know, for your own personal fame and celebrity, 321 00:24:17,765 --> 00:24:22,405 which maligns and directly accuses individuals of being guilty of a crime, 322 00:24:22,885 --> 00:24:24,085 is simply not on. 323 00:24:26,605 --> 00:24:30,165 A single theory about it being the parents 324 00:24:30,245 --> 00:24:35,285 is unprofessional and in my opinion, and it's only my opinion, unforgivable. 325 00:24:36,965 --> 00:24:39,245 The evidence that the child 326 00:24:39,325 --> 00:24:41,805 very likely died in that apartment, 327 00:24:42,525 --> 00:24:46,925 as a result of an accident, a domestic accident, 328 00:24:47,525 --> 00:24:53,845 and that the body doesn't turn up, the cadaver is concealed. 329 00:24:53,925 --> 00:24:55,741 What do you believe to be the truth? 330 00:24:55,765 --> 00:24:57,845 I think the little girl was killed. 331 00:24:57,925 --> 00:25:00,925 A round of applause for Mr Amaral. 332 00:25:01,005 --> 00:25:05,365 - What for? - Because he figured it all out. 333 00:25:05,445 --> 00:25:07,965 Almost one year and two months 334 00:25:08,045 --> 00:25:10,405 and we still can't reach any conclusion. 335 00:25:17,045 --> 00:25:18,725 My name is Gonçalo Amaral. 336 00:25:18,765 --> 00:25:21,381 I've been an investigator with the Polícia Judiciária for 27 years. 337 00:25:21,405 --> 00:25:24,485 I coordinated the investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann 338 00:25:24,565 --> 00:25:26,125 on the 3rd of May 2007. 339 00:25:27,805 --> 00:25:31,125 I watched Gonçalo Amaral's Truth of the Lie the night it was aired 340 00:25:31,205 --> 00:25:33,125 in Portugal with some Portuguese friends. 341 00:25:33,205 --> 00:25:34,725 There was a big anticipation 342 00:25:34,805 --> 00:25:36,805 that Truth of the Lie was coming out on television. 343 00:25:37,005 --> 00:25:38,645 Lots of people were watching it. 344 00:25:39,565 --> 00:25:42,245 According to the testimony of the Ocean Club's manager... 345 00:25:43,285 --> 00:25:45,245 when the GNR patrol arrived on location, 346 00:25:45,325 --> 00:25:47,925 the child's father threw himself at the officer's feet, 347 00:25:48,005 --> 00:25:49,325 like a praying Arab, 348 00:25:49,525 --> 00:25:52,485 completely out of control over his daughter's disappearance. 349 00:25:53,085 --> 00:25:55,725 The same scene was repeated, according to the officers, 350 00:25:55,805 --> 00:25:57,045 in the couple's bedroom. 351 00:25:57,165 --> 00:25:58,485 Oh, God! 352 00:25:58,565 --> 00:26:00,845 No, I don't have that scene in the book 353 00:26:00,925 --> 00:26:03,245 of having knelt and prayed. 354 00:26:03,325 --> 00:26:05,765 It's an exaggeration. 355 00:26:05,845 --> 00:26:08,845 Apart from that, it's pretty well produced 356 00:26:08,925 --> 00:26:10,205 and overall factual. 357 00:26:11,325 --> 00:26:16,085 What I know tells me that Madeleine McCann died in apartment 5A 358 00:26:16,165 --> 00:26:17,645 on the 3rd of May 2007. 359 00:26:18,285 --> 00:26:21,285 The investigation was brutally interrupted 360 00:26:21,725 --> 00:26:24,685 and a political and hurried archiving took place. 361 00:26:24,765 --> 00:26:27,685 If you connect them with the fact that,"Oh, uh, 362 00:26:27,765 --> 00:26:30,485 our police has suffered pressure 363 00:26:30,565 --> 00:26:35,165 from the British police just to help the McCanns," et cetera, 364 00:26:35,245 --> 00:26:36,445 you are creating... 365 00:26:36,525 --> 00:26:38,005 Let me tell you a story. 366 00:26:39,525 --> 00:26:42,245 One day, I was in my office and I receive a call, 367 00:26:42,605 --> 00:26:44,805 a telephone call from a journalist, 368 00:26:44,885 --> 00:26:46,725 and he asked me to confirm. 369 00:26:47,365 --> 00:26:51,885 "Is it true that there was a meeting between you and the British Ambassador 370 00:26:52,325 --> 00:26:56,245 to avoid that Gonçalo Amaral could run for mayor 371 00:26:56,445 --> 00:26:59,085 in a small village in Algarve?" 372 00:26:59,165 --> 00:27:00,885 Gerry McCann came here 373 00:27:00,965 --> 00:27:05,725 to meet with the leader of the Social Democrats, 374 00:27:06,205 --> 00:27:09,085 putting pressure on them to deny allowing me to become a candidate. 375 00:27:09,565 --> 00:27:13,485 And in the end, I was not a candidate because the party denied me. 376 00:27:14,765 --> 00:27:16,165 "Yes, it's true. 377 00:27:17,885 --> 00:27:21,485 And in that same meeting were also the Batman 378 00:27:22,245 --> 00:27:26,965 uh, and the Superman and the Flintstones. 379 00:27:27,165 --> 00:27:28,405 They are all there." 380 00:27:29,525 --> 00:27:31,525 The mystery persists. 381 00:27:31,605 --> 00:27:36,205 The former inspector believes that someday, the truth will be known. 382 00:27:38,285 --> 00:27:41,845 When the film finished, I felt totally deflated. 383 00:27:43,365 --> 00:27:46,205 I was like, "Half the country's watched tonight." 384 00:27:46,325 --> 00:27:52,085 I thought, "That's it. We've lost the general population's support." Yeah. 385 00:27:55,405 --> 00:27:57,701 A brand new billboard poster of Madeleine 386 00:27:57,725 --> 00:28:01,645 with "help me" in Portuguese has been splattered with paint. 387 00:28:04,725 --> 00:28:06,525 The stop sign just down from our home, 388 00:28:06,605 --> 00:28:09,005 and underneath, they spray painted "the McCanns," 389 00:28:09,085 --> 00:28:10,725 like "stop the McCanns." 390 00:28:10,805 --> 00:28:13,845 I live here so I just wish it'd go away, to be honest, 391 00:28:14,005 --> 00:28:15,045 'cause it's... 392 00:28:15,845 --> 00:28:16,965 it's no good for us. 393 00:28:17,565 --> 00:28:22,245 If they don't... can't find, why they have to... to keep searching? 394 00:28:22,325 --> 00:28:24,765 People have sympathy for only so long 395 00:28:24,845 --> 00:28:26,045 and then it stops. 396 00:28:26,925 --> 00:28:28,645 People just get tired. 397 00:28:29,525 --> 00:28:32,245 They get tired of grief and they get tired of not knowing. 398 00:28:34,365 --> 00:28:36,685 You have a professional like Amaral 399 00:28:37,285 --> 00:28:40,805 who actually feeds, feeds what's going on. 400 00:28:43,885 --> 00:28:47,205 What you basically do is you close down the search for Madeleine. 401 00:28:47,285 --> 00:28:51,365 You close down the eyes and ears of the public or the minds of the public 402 00:28:51,645 --> 00:28:53,885 because you say, "Look, I was in a position to know. 403 00:28:53,965 --> 00:28:56,245 This is who did it," so we all stop looking 404 00:28:56,325 --> 00:29:00,485 and then we simply begin to focus on this miscarriage of justice 405 00:29:00,565 --> 00:29:03,165 because the right people aren't being held to account. 406 00:29:03,245 --> 00:29:05,485 Mr Amaral needs to be well aware 407 00:29:05,565 --> 00:29:08,765 that the libel lawyers who are representing Kate and Gerry 408 00:29:08,845 --> 00:29:12,045 are examining every word that he is saying in his book 409 00:29:12,485 --> 00:29:14,925 and they will not hesitate from taking action, 410 00:29:15,005 --> 00:29:16,805 legal action against Mr Amaral. 411 00:29:16,885 --> 00:29:19,125 Any lies, any untruths, 412 00:29:19,325 --> 00:29:21,805 any defamation will be acted upon... 413 00:29:21,885 --> 00:29:23,885 It was so important for Kate and Gerry 414 00:29:23,965 --> 00:29:26,965 to have the judicial system in Portugal say, 415 00:29:27,285 --> 00:29:28,685 "There's no proof to this." 416 00:29:28,765 --> 00:29:31,685 The trial opposing the McCann couple 417 00:29:31,765 --> 00:29:33,525 and Gonçalo Amaral began this morning. 418 00:29:33,605 --> 00:29:36,045 Maddie's parents call for the destruction 419 00:29:36,125 --> 00:29:39,205 of all copies of the book The Truth of the Lie, 420 00:29:39,285 --> 00:29:42,845 authored by the former inspector who investigated the case. 421 00:29:42,925 --> 00:29:45,725 They also demand that Gonçalo Amaral be prevented 422 00:29:45,805 --> 00:29:47,965 from carrying on with his accusations. 423 00:29:48,325 --> 00:29:52,725 Mr Amaral's central thesis has no evidence whatsoever to support it. 424 00:29:53,365 --> 00:29:56,605 To claim, as he did, that Madeleine is dead 425 00:29:56,885 --> 00:30:00,445 and that we, her parents, were somehow involved in her disappearance 426 00:30:01,085 --> 00:30:03,765 has caused our family incredible distress 427 00:30:03,845 --> 00:30:05,045 and continues to do so. 428 00:30:06,205 --> 00:30:09,005 They could take the character damning that it was, 429 00:30:09,085 --> 00:30:10,405 they could stand up to that, 430 00:30:10,485 --> 00:30:14,765 but if people in Portugal actually believe Gonçalo Amaral's book, 431 00:30:14,845 --> 00:30:16,565 then they wouldn't be looking for Madeleine. 432 00:30:16,605 --> 00:30:19,165 Well, we're just here to continue the search for Madeleine 433 00:30:19,245 --> 00:30:21,525 and to protect our own family 434 00:30:21,605 --> 00:30:25,005 and their human rights and I think it's fairly clear, you know. 435 00:30:25,405 --> 00:30:29,125 No one should be allowed to say that our daughter cannot be found 436 00:30:29,205 --> 00:30:31,045 without very good evidence to the contrary, 437 00:30:31,125 --> 00:30:33,965 and that's what the court case is about. 438 00:30:34,045 --> 00:30:37,205 So they had to get the book off the shelf. They had to fight. 439 00:30:37,285 --> 00:30:42,405 The McCanns are the ones who should have had a different attitude. 440 00:30:42,485 --> 00:30:44,965 There is no evidence that Madeleine is dead. 441 00:30:45,045 --> 00:30:47,445 That is what you heard yesterday. You heard that, didn't you? 442 00:30:47,485 --> 00:30:49,621 This is just raking up old ground, isn't it, Gerry? 443 00:30:49,645 --> 00:30:52,245 No. Today, we are here... 444 00:30:52,325 --> 00:30:53,925 - But the police... - No, hang on. 445 00:30:54,005 --> 00:30:55,581 They're not raking it up. This is a legal... 446 00:30:55,605 --> 00:30:59,685 - are you satisfied... - All those... Allow me to just finish. 447 00:30:59,765 --> 00:31:05,045 All those people who laboured away from their homes and families... 448 00:31:05,125 --> 00:31:07,085 They never heard a word of thanks. 449 00:31:07,485 --> 00:31:10,685 This is a legal process which we are going through 450 00:31:11,005 --> 00:31:12,885 to protect our daughter and our family. 451 00:31:12,965 --> 00:31:14,821 There's nothing new being said by the police, is it? 452 00:31:14,845 --> 00:31:15,925 Of course there's not. 453 00:31:16,005 --> 00:31:18,061 What do you expect from this hearing? 454 00:31:18,085 --> 00:31:23,525 For justice to be done. Now it's up to the court to decide. 455 00:32:02,485 --> 00:32:05,485 The police investigation had been closed down. 456 00:32:06,285 --> 00:32:11,325 So Brian Kennedy was principally funding the McCanns' investigation at that point. 457 00:32:12,125 --> 00:32:13,605 Over time, 458 00:32:13,685 --> 00:32:18,485 things started to filter back to the McCanns that seemed odd. 459 00:32:20,205 --> 00:32:26,445 The trust got tired of the continuous invoices they were sending 460 00:32:27,805 --> 00:32:31,285 and they just were not making the progress they'd promised to make. 461 00:32:37,005 --> 00:32:39,645 Kevin did what he usually does. 462 00:32:39,725 --> 00:32:44,365 He throws out juicy tidbits and things that would inspire hope. 463 00:32:47,485 --> 00:32:52,725 Kevin told Brian Kennedy that because of his work with US intelligence 464 00:32:53,605 --> 00:32:59,605 that he had access to satellite photos of Portugal 465 00:32:59,685 --> 00:33:02,965 on the night Madeleine went missing, 466 00:33:03,165 --> 00:33:06,605 and that he could access those spy photos 467 00:33:07,405 --> 00:33:12,165 and be able to see if there's any suspects in the area, maybe see what happened. 468 00:33:12,925 --> 00:33:15,725 When they were finally produced, 469 00:33:16,725 --> 00:33:19,765 they were only Google Earth images of the town, 470 00:33:19,845 --> 00:33:24,005 um, so it was all a bit of a terrible letdown. 471 00:33:26,405 --> 00:33:27,605 We had nothing 472 00:33:28,365 --> 00:33:30,125 and we're still looking for the child, 473 00:33:30,565 --> 00:33:33,845 so you can understand why we'd say if somebody comes in and says, 474 00:33:33,925 --> 00:33:35,725 "Look, we can do this and we can do that 475 00:33:35,805 --> 00:33:41,365 and we can reveal these GPS satellite pictures of the particular evening 476 00:33:41,445 --> 00:33:43,525 'cause we have a link with the FBI 477 00:33:43,605 --> 00:33:45,685 that will give us all of this information," 478 00:33:45,765 --> 00:33:48,525 you listen because where else is there to go? 479 00:33:50,205 --> 00:33:52,165 Brian Kennedy started getting complaints 480 00:33:52,245 --> 00:33:53,765 that people weren't being paid, 481 00:33:54,085 --> 00:33:57,165 and he was deeply concerned by the things he was hearing back. 482 00:33:57,845 --> 00:34:00,645 Kevin told me and other people 483 00:34:01,085 --> 00:34:04,925 that he sent a team in, a man-and-woman team, 484 00:34:05,005 --> 00:34:08,725 with a child similar to the age of Madeleine 485 00:34:08,845 --> 00:34:10,845 and put the kid up as bait. 486 00:34:12,925 --> 00:34:17,965 He said at one time, he had a drunken priest, uh, undercover. 487 00:34:19,565 --> 00:34:23,405 When I think of credible intelligence-gathering tools, 488 00:34:23,605 --> 00:34:27,365 my mind immediately jumps to, "Where's my drunken priest?" 489 00:34:28,885 --> 00:34:30,885 What he said just didn't make sense. 490 00:34:34,685 --> 00:34:37,325 Yeah, the van guy didn't do it. He's been cleared. 491 00:34:38,685 --> 00:34:41,245 And, uh, neither did anyone else 492 00:34:41,325 --> 00:34:43,805 that looked like that that they found in the area. 493 00:34:46,525 --> 00:34:50,365 There's very little evidence that he did what he said he did. 494 00:34:51,125 --> 00:34:54,325 Kevin's only effort was to create a report 495 00:34:54,965 --> 00:34:56,885 that indicated they did something. 496 00:35:03,565 --> 00:35:07,285 Halligen had started to become threatening, 497 00:35:07,365 --> 00:35:11,165 threatening to do this about the family and say this about the family 498 00:35:11,245 --> 00:35:14,805 and expose stuff, just an absolute nonsense. 499 00:35:16,485 --> 00:35:19,645 Then it emerged that the tips coming into the hotline 500 00:35:19,725 --> 00:35:21,685 weren't actually being answered or acted upon. 501 00:35:23,325 --> 00:35:27,285 I had the opportunity to sit with Kevin several times 502 00:35:27,365 --> 00:35:30,485 and we talked about his relationships. 503 00:35:30,565 --> 00:35:32,965 We talked about his alleged background. 504 00:35:33,285 --> 00:35:35,405 None of these elements were consistent. 505 00:35:36,485 --> 00:35:39,485 I have a vast number of people 506 00:35:39,845 --> 00:35:42,165 who are vouching for this man, 507 00:35:42,485 --> 00:35:44,885 but nothing is matching up. 508 00:35:46,285 --> 00:35:47,685 And at that moment, 509 00:35:49,285 --> 00:35:51,965 everything, everything came into focus. 510 00:35:53,245 --> 00:35:54,765 He was a fraud. 511 00:35:58,165 --> 00:36:01,221 People think we're talking about an investigation of a missing child. 512 00:36:01,245 --> 00:36:03,845 We're not. You're talking about a conman. 513 00:36:05,205 --> 00:36:07,005 You're not talking about an investigation. 514 00:36:08,245 --> 00:36:10,445 In fact, he hopped on a flight to Rome. 515 00:36:12,685 --> 00:36:15,205 My reaction to him skipping out without paying? 516 00:36:15,965 --> 00:36:17,005 Not happy. 517 00:36:18,965 --> 00:36:20,965 No, he wasn't gonna run. 518 00:36:24,445 --> 00:36:27,805 I used every known associate he had, 519 00:36:28,405 --> 00:36:32,125 every resource available to track him. 520 00:36:32,725 --> 00:36:36,125 I hired special staff in, uh, the UK 521 00:36:36,205 --> 00:36:38,365 just to dig into his past life. 522 00:36:39,045 --> 00:36:42,965 Halligen was revealed to be a grotesque fraud. 523 00:36:43,245 --> 00:36:44,765 He was really an Irishman 524 00:36:44,965 --> 00:36:49,245 who had been largely masquerading, um, as an investigator. 525 00:36:49,765 --> 00:36:52,165 He had set up a bogus marriage for himself, 526 00:36:52,245 --> 00:36:53,845 even though he was already married. 527 00:36:53,925 --> 00:36:56,765 He had made friends with the Washington elite 528 00:36:56,845 --> 00:36:58,045 and was living the high life 529 00:36:58,125 --> 00:37:01,765 off the back of what seemed to be the money for the search for Madeleine. 530 00:37:03,325 --> 00:37:06,205 His intelligence credentials were fraudulent, 531 00:37:06,285 --> 00:37:08,205 his birth date is fraudulent. 532 00:37:08,285 --> 00:37:11,445 In some respect, it was easy to find him when he changed hotels 533 00:37:11,525 --> 00:37:16,005 because Kevin loved accumulating, uh, hotel reward points 534 00:37:16,085 --> 00:37:18,085 so the search became easier and easier. 535 00:37:19,525 --> 00:37:21,845 He sent me what he considered to be a threat. 536 00:37:22,205 --> 00:37:25,245 He sent me the lyrics of "Gangsta Paradise," 537 00:37:25,685 --> 00:37:30,725 and it was funny because this is who he sees himself as being. 538 00:37:32,085 --> 00:37:36,045 Oakley had ended in tears. 539 00:37:36,685 --> 00:37:37,685 Clearly... 540 00:37:38,165 --> 00:37:40,885 Clearly an unscrupulous character 541 00:37:41,085 --> 00:37:43,085 he had proven to be over the months. 542 00:37:47,885 --> 00:37:51,005 Kevin Halligen was convicted of fraud in another case 543 00:37:51,285 --> 00:37:53,565 and spent time in prison in the United States. 544 00:37:55,765 --> 00:37:58,845 He eventually died of a brain haemorrhage in 2018. 545 00:38:08,645 --> 00:38:13,845 The ultimate victims have to be Madeleine and her family. 546 00:38:15,125 --> 00:38:18,685 This is almost a year's worth of hope. 547 00:38:20,205 --> 00:38:25,565 I just can't begin to understand the pain 548 00:38:26,325 --> 00:38:29,005 that the McCanns must be feeling. 549 00:38:37,405 --> 00:38:40,645 And it's surprising how unlucky they were 550 00:38:40,845 --> 00:38:44,485 on choosing the people for their investigations. 551 00:38:47,925 --> 00:38:49,525 There were, in this case, 552 00:38:50,245 --> 00:38:53,045 just an extraordinary number 553 00:38:53,125 --> 00:38:58,445 of such... what to us seemed... Bizarre instances 554 00:38:58,525 --> 00:39:00,965 of people trying to involve themselves in this case. 555 00:39:03,885 --> 00:39:05,405 For 18 months, 556 00:39:05,485 --> 00:39:10,205 no police agency anywhere had been actively searching for Madeleine. 557 00:39:10,965 --> 00:39:12,045 To the McCanns, 558 00:39:12,565 --> 00:39:15,725 that was horrendous and it was totally unacceptable. 559 00:39:24,045 --> 00:39:26,301 There was the surprise announcement in London this morning 560 00:39:26,325 --> 00:39:29,965 of a possible break in the long-running search for little Madeleine McCann. 561 00:39:30,045 --> 00:39:33,325 The witness became aware of a well-dressed woman 562 00:39:33,405 --> 00:39:35,925 who he describes as appearing agitated. 563 00:39:43,045 --> 00:39:45,245 Two years after Madeleine disappeared, 564 00:39:45,525 --> 00:39:47,845 private detectives working for the McCanns 565 00:39:47,925 --> 00:39:52,045 brought forward an incident that had only just recently emerged. 566 00:39:52,565 --> 00:39:55,165 A British citizen, an executive, 567 00:39:55,245 --> 00:39:59,565 had come forward to remember that at two o'clock in the morning, 568 00:40:00,285 --> 00:40:02,365 shortly after Madeleine disappeared, 569 00:40:03,365 --> 00:40:05,165 he had been in Barcelona 570 00:40:05,245 --> 00:40:08,405 and he had been approached by a woman 571 00:40:09,365 --> 00:40:13,325 who said to him, "Have you come to deliver my new daughter? 572 00:40:14,485 --> 00:40:18,045 Have you come to deliver my new daughter? Have you got the child?" 573 00:40:18,445 --> 00:40:20,045 She asked him three times, 574 00:40:20,125 --> 00:40:24,125 then realised that he wasn't the man that she thought he was, 575 00:40:24,725 --> 00:40:26,165 and walked away. 576 00:40:28,885 --> 00:40:33,405 The witness has described the woman as, in the witness's own words, 577 00:40:33,485 --> 00:40:36,165 "a bit of a Victoria Beckham lookalike." 578 00:40:36,725 --> 00:40:39,965 She spoke English with what the witness has described 579 00:40:40,045 --> 00:40:42,565 as possibly an Australian accent. 580 00:40:42,645 --> 00:40:45,325 This conversation was potentially significant 581 00:40:45,685 --> 00:40:48,605 to the investigation into Madeleine's disappearance. 582 00:40:50,085 --> 00:40:53,005 A British man has provided an e-fit of a woman... 583 00:40:53,085 --> 00:40:54,325 Two former detectives, 584 00:40:54,365 --> 00:40:56,365 David Edgar and Arthur Cowley, 585 00:40:56,445 --> 00:40:59,805 were the last private investigators hired to work on the case. 586 00:41:00,685 --> 00:41:02,485 They handed over their work to the Met, 587 00:41:02,565 --> 00:41:05,485 highlighting what seemed to them significant leads. 588 00:41:12,205 --> 00:41:14,885 But perhaps the most telling sighting of all 589 00:41:15,405 --> 00:41:17,645 is that of a woman called Carole Tranmer, 590 00:41:17,725 --> 00:41:20,325 who had been out to see her aunt 591 00:41:20,845 --> 00:41:25,925 who was living in the apartment immediately above the McCanns. 592 00:41:26,525 --> 00:41:28,525 Carole was looking out of the window. 593 00:41:29,285 --> 00:41:30,765 I'd like to quote it directly. 594 00:41:30,845 --> 00:41:34,805 She said, "Looking down below the McCann flat, 595 00:41:34,885 --> 00:41:38,485 I saw someone come out of the ground floor apartment, 596 00:41:38,565 --> 00:41:41,765 closing the gate very carefully and quietly. 597 00:41:42,045 --> 00:41:44,045 It looked very strange to me. 598 00:41:44,325 --> 00:41:46,725 He looked to one side and the other, 599 00:41:46,805 --> 00:41:49,485 shut the gate, and walked very quickly below us." 600 00:41:50,365 --> 00:41:54,965 This is on the afternoon of the day Madeleine is going to disappear. 601 00:41:55,565 --> 00:41:58,485 What had struck her as peculiar, she said, 602 00:41:58,725 --> 00:42:01,925 "was the way the man had closed the little gate down there. 603 00:42:02,205 --> 00:42:05,005 It was his furtiveness that got my attention. 604 00:42:05,085 --> 00:42:07,285 The man had moved stealthily, 605 00:42:07,845 --> 00:42:11,085 as if he didn't want anyone to know he was coming and going." 606 00:42:12,445 --> 00:42:15,805 That has to be significant in any investigation of this case. 52225

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