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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:15,111 --> 00:00:16,838 Is that all you got? 2 00:00:19,088 --> 00:00:22,395 I was hoping to trade these for some coffee beans. 3 00:00:23,815 --> 00:00:25,355 You hungry? 4 00:00:25,465 --> 00:00:26,723 Yeah. 5 00:00:27,259 --> 00:00:28,738 Get some water. 6 00:00:28,824 --> 00:00:30,391 I'll make lunch. 7 00:00:49,473 --> 00:00:51,059 You know what to do, son. 8 00:00:51,188 --> 00:00:52,512 Yes, sir. 9 00:00:52,598 --> 00:00:54,191 Remember... 10 00:00:54,735 --> 00:00:56,215 this is our land. 11 00:00:56,523 --> 00:00:58,245 It's kill or be killed. 12 00:01:07,779 --> 00:01:09,543 Mr. Schwieger. State Police. 13 00:01:09,667 --> 00:01:11,082 I need you to step outside. 14 00:01:11,168 --> 00:01:12,309 Now. 15 00:01:18,981 --> 00:01:20,891 Kill or be killed. 16 00:01:22,821 --> 00:01:23,857 So where are we going? 17 00:01:23,942 --> 00:01:25,293 What are we doing? 18 00:01:25,378 --> 00:01:27,656 And who is this wonder of wonders I just have to meet? 19 00:01:27,742 --> 00:01:29,833 What did you call him? A walking anachronism? 20 00:01:29,962 --> 00:01:32,320 Lucas Schwieger, 16. 21 00:01:32,406 --> 00:01:33,961 He never attended school. 22 00:01:34,141 --> 00:01:36,450 He lives a completely sheltered existence 23 00:01:36,535 --> 00:01:39,102 in a cabin with no electricity or running water 24 00:01:39,211 --> 00:01:41,274 in the woods above Sullivan County. 25 00:01:41,414 --> 00:01:43,022 His father, whom he lived with, 26 00:01:43,107 --> 00:01:45,625 described himself as a radical survivalist. 27 00:01:45,766 --> 00:01:48,375 He was, as far as I can tell, the only person 28 00:01:48,460 --> 00:01:50,377 that Lucas had any sustained contact with 29 00:01:50,462 --> 00:01:52,446 during his 16 years of life. 30 00:01:52,635 --> 00:01:53,726 Wow. 31 00:01:53,820 --> 00:01:55,868 A caseworker with Child Protective Services 32 00:01:56,066 --> 00:01:59,539 heard about him, grew concerned, came to pay him a visit... 33 00:01:59,775 --> 00:02:02,399 escorted by the New York State Police. 34 00:02:02,720 --> 00:02:05,348 "Father and son opened fire, killing the caseworker 35 00:02:05,433 --> 00:02:07,698 "and wounding the State Police officer, 36 00:02:07,783 --> 00:02:10,720 who fired back, killing the father." 37 00:02:11,165 --> 00:02:14,053 Ballistics indicate that while Lucas shot the police officer, 38 00:02:14,138 --> 00:02:17,118 wounding him in the leg, he didn't actually kill anyone. 39 00:02:17,205 --> 00:02:19,024 It was the father's gun that did that. 40 00:02:19,148 --> 00:02:21,680 Nonetheless, he's being charged as an adult for murder 41 00:02:21,766 --> 00:02:23,337 as part of a joint venture. 42 00:02:23,517 --> 00:02:26,579 Does he even understand what's going on? The charges? 43 00:02:26,715 --> 00:02:29,068 That they want him to stand trial? 44 00:02:29,153 --> 00:02:30,977 They want to punish him for what happened? 45 00:02:31,063 --> 00:02:33,201 He didn't even understand what an attorney was 46 00:02:33,287 --> 00:02:34,938 until I explained it to him. 47 00:02:35,055 --> 00:02:36,970 You know, it's not like he's mentally impaired. 48 00:02:37,056 --> 00:02:38,947 In fact, in the little time I've spent with him, 49 00:02:39,033 --> 00:02:40,558 he seems innately intelligent. 50 00:02:40,644 --> 00:02:42,213 But his only understanding of the world 51 00:02:42,299 --> 00:02:44,141 is what's been taught to him by his father. 52 00:02:44,227 --> 00:02:46,085 Well, obviously, some doctor, somewhere, 53 00:02:46,170 --> 00:02:47,626 deemed him fit to stand trial. 54 00:02:47,720 --> 00:02:49,970 You should also know that Lucas did speak 55 00:02:50,056 --> 00:02:51,930 to the police on the record. 56 00:02:52,176 --> 00:02:54,180 He already admitted he shot the officer. 57 00:02:54,265 --> 00:02:55,766 Expressed clear intent. 58 00:02:55,852 --> 00:02:58,332 Insisted he would do it again. 59 00:03:18,885 --> 00:03:20,452 He's a friend. 60 00:03:24,596 --> 00:03:26,299 My name's Dr. Jason Bull. 61 00:03:26,384 --> 00:03:27,996 Dr. Statton wanted me to meet you. 62 00:03:28,081 --> 00:03:29,401 See if I could help you. 63 00:03:29,869 --> 00:03:31,330 Doctor, huh? 64 00:03:31,973 --> 00:03:33,213 I'm not sick. 65 00:03:33,330 --> 00:03:35,854 No. I'm not the doctor that helps sick people. 66 00:03:35,949 --> 00:03:39,073 I'm the doctor that helps people when they get into trouble, 67 00:03:39,463 --> 00:03:41,190 when they have to go to court. 68 00:03:42,095 --> 00:03:43,307 Do you know what court is? 69 00:03:43,393 --> 00:03:46,135 Did Dr. Statton explain about court to you? 70 00:03:50,321 --> 00:03:51,893 Let me start over. 71 00:03:53,367 --> 00:03:57,371 First of all, I'm sorry about your father. 72 00:03:58,720 --> 00:04:00,505 They had better guns. 73 00:04:03,549 --> 00:04:05,885 How about your mom? 74 00:04:06,807 --> 00:04:08,330 Do you ever see her? 75 00:04:08,509 --> 00:04:09,949 Is there any way I could talk to her? 76 00:04:10,034 --> 00:04:11,244 No. 77 00:04:11,528 --> 00:04:13,053 She hung herself. 78 00:04:13,474 --> 00:04:15,041 It was when I was a little kid. 79 00:04:17,056 --> 00:04:18,538 I'm sorry. 80 00:04:24,982 --> 00:04:26,332 Lucas... 81 00:04:27,314 --> 00:04:29,318 do you understand you could spend 82 00:04:29,403 --> 00:04:31,463 the rest of your life in here, in jail? 83 00:04:31,986 --> 00:04:34,002 And I'm guessing you don't want that. Am I right? 84 00:04:34,088 --> 00:04:35,151 I just want to go home. 85 00:04:35,237 --> 00:04:38,346 And that's what we want to try and make happen. 86 00:04:39,413 --> 00:04:41,198 You all right with that? 87 00:04:45,271 --> 00:04:46,604 I guess so. 88 00:04:47,510 --> 00:04:48,760 All right. 89 00:04:49,123 --> 00:04:52,389 Let me get back to my office, get this started. 90 00:04:52,638 --> 00:04:54,893 I'm sure I'm gonna want to talk to you some more. 91 00:04:54,979 --> 00:04:57,393 In the meantime, is there anything I can bring you? 92 00:04:57,512 --> 00:05:00,733 Anything you miss? Maybe some books? 93 00:05:06,355 --> 00:05:09,471 Well, if you think of anything. 94 00:05:17,668 --> 00:05:19,831 *BULL (2016)* Season 03 Episode17 95 00:05:20,064 --> 00:05:22,667 *BULL (2016)* Episode Title: "Parental Guidance" 96 00:05:24,908 --> 00:05:27,391 This is Lucas Schwieger. 16 years old. 97 00:05:27,476 --> 00:05:28,827 Charged with murder in the death 98 00:05:28,912 --> 00:05:31,213 of a New York State Children's Services caseworker. 99 00:05:31,299 --> 00:05:33,806 Yeah. We all got Bull's e-mail about this kid. 100 00:05:33,892 --> 00:05:35,650 He can't read. Barely speaks. 101 00:05:35,736 --> 00:05:37,095 Lived with his dad off the grid 102 00:05:37,181 --> 00:05:39,658 his whole life. Oh, and let's not forget 103 00:05:39,744 --> 00:05:41,056 he confessed to the crime. 104 00:05:41,142 --> 00:05:42,322 So I'll just say it. 105 00:05:42,408 --> 00:05:44,056 Can we even help this boy? 106 00:05:44,142 --> 00:05:46,939 We've got the surviving police officer's testimony. 107 00:05:47,025 --> 00:05:48,549 Plus the confession. 108 00:05:48,635 --> 00:05:50,104 And this client doesn't seem like he's 109 00:05:50,189 --> 00:05:51,846 in a position to really help his own defense. 110 00:05:51,931 --> 00:05:53,033 And what kind of narrative? 111 00:05:53,119 --> 00:05:54,518 What kind of story can you tell a jury 112 00:05:54,603 --> 00:05:57,127 that makes it okay to ambush a caseworker and a trooper? 113 00:05:57,213 --> 00:05:58,259 Bull wants to mount 114 00:05:58,345 --> 00:06:00,767 a defense based on persuasive coercion. 115 00:06:00,853 --> 00:06:03,845 Our position will be that, because of Lucas's sheltered 116 00:06:03,931 --> 00:06:06,533 and isolated upbringing, he didn't know what he was doing, 117 00:06:06,658 --> 00:06:08,541 other than following the instructions of, 118 00:06:08,627 --> 00:06:13,158 quite literally, the only person in his life: his father. 119 00:06:13,799 --> 00:06:16,439 Norman Schwieger was delusional 120 00:06:16,525 --> 00:06:18,549 and paranoid and controlling. 121 00:06:18,705 --> 00:06:21,213 He was convinced that humankind was on the verge 122 00:06:21,299 --> 00:06:23,611 of a cataclysmic end and thought the only way to survive 123 00:06:23,697 --> 00:06:25,978 was to live a completely self-sustaining life 124 00:06:26,080 --> 00:06:28,666 away from the scrutiny of other human beings. 125 00:06:28,838 --> 00:06:31,806 And he forced his son to live the same way... 126 00:06:32,025 --> 00:06:33,861 cloistered on their small plot of land, 127 00:06:33,947 --> 00:06:35,955 which they didn't even really own, 128 00:06:36,041 --> 00:06:38,127 which Norman rigged with trip-wired alarms 129 00:06:38,213 --> 00:06:40,017 to warn them of any trespassers. 130 00:06:40,322 --> 00:06:41,299 Okay. I'll ask. 131 00:06:41,385 --> 00:06:42,978 What is persuasive coercion? 132 00:06:43,064 --> 00:06:45,931 Basically, Bull wants to argue for all intents and purposes 133 00:06:46,026 --> 00:06:49,771 that Lucas's father exercised a kind of mind control over him. 134 00:06:49,856 --> 00:06:51,512 Denied the boy a voice 135 00:06:51,597 --> 00:06:53,728 in any decision-making of any kind. 136 00:06:53,814 --> 00:06:57,017 His job was simply to do what he was told. 137 00:06:57,121 --> 00:06:59,606 And as a result, he had no experience choosing 138 00:06:59,692 --> 00:07:02,088 between right and wrong, no experience choosing anything. 139 00:07:02,283 --> 00:07:04,752 The problem is, it's an affirmative defense. 140 00:07:04,861 --> 00:07:07,064 Hi. Zero years of law school here. 141 00:07:07,150 --> 00:07:09,478 Though I did watch a lot of Ally McBealback in the '90s. 142 00:07:09,564 --> 00:07:11,720 So what does that mean? "Affirmative defense"? 143 00:07:11,806 --> 00:07:13,245 That means that going in, we admit 144 00:07:13,331 --> 00:07:15,056 to what the prosecution claims he did. 145 00:07:15,142 --> 00:07:17,666 And now it puts the burden on us to present evidence 146 00:07:17,752 --> 00:07:19,496 that will negate his having done it. 147 00:07:19,642 --> 00:07:22,107 Basically, yes, he shot at those people, but no, 148 00:07:22,192 --> 00:07:24,338 given the circumstances, it wasn't his fault. 149 00:07:24,431 --> 00:07:26,267 And how do we make that argument? 150 00:07:26,454 --> 00:07:28,414 Is there anyone left to testify? 151 00:07:28,711 --> 00:07:32,029 With Lucas's father dead, it leaves us without one witness 152 00:07:32,115 --> 00:07:34,822 who can tell the jury about the crazy way that Lucas grew up. 153 00:07:34,908 --> 00:07:36,572 And based on Bull's e-mails, 154 00:07:36,658 --> 00:07:38,830 it's highly unlikely that we'll be able 155 00:07:38,916 --> 00:07:40,698 to put Lucas himself on the stand. 156 00:07:40,784 --> 00:07:42,791 Wait a second. Someone saw something, 157 00:07:42,877 --> 00:07:44,315 because Child Protective Services 158 00:07:44,401 --> 00:07:45,926 were sent to this house. 159 00:07:46,138 --> 00:07:47,541 I know those calls are confidential, 160 00:07:47,627 --> 00:07:50,109 but I'll start digging and see if I can find out who did it. 161 00:07:50,583 --> 00:07:52,041 You know what the trick is gonna be? 162 00:07:52,251 --> 00:07:54,846 Trying to get a jury to connect with this kid 163 00:07:54,940 --> 00:07:57,249 despite everything about his life 164 00:07:57,335 --> 00:07:59,611 being vastly different from their own. 165 00:08:00,319 --> 00:08:02,979 I can't wait to hear what the big guy has to say. 166 00:08:04,854 --> 00:08:06,705 You ever seen one of these before? 167 00:08:06,791 --> 00:08:08,587 It's called a tie. 168 00:08:08,961 --> 00:08:11,883 It's what men wear when they want to be taken seriously. 169 00:08:12,655 --> 00:08:15,196 It hurts. Hurts my neck. 170 00:08:16,648 --> 00:08:18,657 Well, every man who's ever put one of these on 171 00:08:18,743 --> 00:08:21,751 has thought that, but still... 172 00:08:22,236 --> 00:08:25,399 people have been wearing them for hundreds of years. 173 00:08:27,860 --> 00:08:29,618 Went to church once. 174 00:08:29,802 --> 00:08:31,423 Saw some there. 175 00:08:34,169 --> 00:08:37,653 So, today... today is all about picking jurors, 176 00:08:37,738 --> 00:08:39,844 the people who decide whether to punish you or not. 177 00:08:40,063 --> 00:08:42,329 Mr. Colón is gonna be asking people questions. 178 00:08:42,415 --> 00:08:43,877 You don't have to do anything; just sit there. 179 00:08:43,962 --> 00:08:45,357 Try not to react. 180 00:08:45,443 --> 00:08:47,774 And don't say a word unless I tell you to. 181 00:08:47,882 --> 00:08:50,800 Remember, people are gonna be looking at you. Okay? 182 00:08:50,939 --> 00:08:52,769 Trying to figure out who you are. 183 00:08:52,870 --> 00:08:54,930 They might make funny faces. Don't make any back. 184 00:08:55,016 --> 00:08:56,324 You just sit there, try to smile. 185 00:08:56,410 --> 00:08:57,978 It's probably gonna take the whole day. 186 00:08:58,064 --> 00:08:59,633 Mr. Colón and I will do our best 187 00:08:59,719 --> 00:09:01,798 to get you out of there as quickly as possible. 188 00:09:28,279 --> 00:09:29,686 Good morning, ladies and gentlemen. 189 00:09:29,811 --> 00:09:31,381 Let me ask you all a question. 190 00:09:31,467 --> 00:09:34,639 How many of you, especially when you were teenagers, 191 00:09:34,725 --> 00:09:37,772 had a less than terrific relationship with your parents? 192 00:09:38,516 --> 00:09:39,717 You, sir. 193 00:09:39,866 --> 00:09:42,175 You were at war with your folks a lot? 194 00:09:42,446 --> 00:09:44,709 Well, my old man was a taskmaster. 195 00:09:45,116 --> 00:09:46,177 Very old-school. 196 00:09:46,262 --> 00:09:48,658 And I was the kind of kid who didn't really like rules. 197 00:09:48,743 --> 00:09:49,964 Got it. 198 00:09:50,049 --> 00:09:52,183 And all of you pretty much feel the same way? 199 00:09:52,444 --> 00:09:55,436 That your parents didn't necessarily know best? 200 00:09:59,232 --> 00:10:01,467 Your Honor, the defense would like to thank 201 00:10:01,553 --> 00:10:04,170 and excuse jurors number three, 202 00:10:04,280 --> 00:10:06,483 eight, ten and 12. 203 00:10:07,889 --> 00:10:11,248 We need jurors who see Lucas was a part of a cult of two. 204 00:10:11,334 --> 00:10:14,952 Brainwashed to hate like a sort of Manchurian Candidate. 205 00:10:15,291 --> 00:10:16,944 And how do we do that? 206 00:10:17,857 --> 00:10:21,084 We look for people who can be persuaded to follow a leader. 207 00:10:21,214 --> 00:10:23,514 They may not understand the environment Lucas 208 00:10:23,600 --> 00:10:25,868 was raised in, but they can relate 209 00:10:25,954 --> 00:10:27,514 to his need to do as he's told. 210 00:10:27,615 --> 00:10:29,897 People who are risk averse 211 00:10:29,983 --> 00:10:32,031 and make middle-of-the-road decisions. 212 00:10:32,439 --> 00:10:33,569 So, tell me, sir, 213 00:10:33,655 --> 00:10:35,311 do you invest in the stock market? 214 00:10:35,397 --> 00:10:36,498 I do. 215 00:10:36,620 --> 00:10:39,142 Do you buy tech stocks, high-risk investments, 216 00:10:39,228 --> 00:10:41,428 or are you more of a S&P 500 217 00:10:41,514 --> 00:10:42,561 kind of investor? 218 00:10:42,662 --> 00:10:44,579 I actually like to go with mutual funds. 219 00:10:44,821 --> 00:10:47,391 Let someone who knows what they're doing decide for me. 220 00:10:47,585 --> 00:10:49,804 Play it safe. Get a steady return. 221 00:10:52,285 --> 00:10:54,952 Your Honor, the defense finds this juror acceptable. 222 00:10:55,139 --> 00:10:56,726 And we have our jury. 223 00:10:56,944 --> 00:10:59,772 The court is in recess until tomorrow morning. 224 00:11:01,447 --> 00:11:02,537 Nice job. 225 00:11:02,623 --> 00:11:04,655 You did everything we asked perfectly. 226 00:11:04,869 --> 00:11:06,381 We had a good day. 227 00:11:07,319 --> 00:11:09,092 Does that mean I can go home now? 228 00:11:09,959 --> 00:11:12,220 No. No. 229 00:11:12,577 --> 00:11:14,022 I'm sorry, this is... 230 00:11:14,350 --> 00:11:15,647 gonna take many days. 231 00:11:15,733 --> 00:11:18,127 Today was a good day but not the only day. 232 00:11:19,897 --> 00:11:21,532 Are you going home? 233 00:11:22,803 --> 00:11:24,273 Yes. 234 00:11:27,886 --> 00:11:29,788 Is he going home now? 235 00:11:30,217 --> 00:11:31,567 Yes. 236 00:11:35,717 --> 00:11:37,504 But not me? 237 00:11:38,871 --> 00:11:40,209 Not yet. 238 00:11:58,343 --> 00:12:00,631 What are we gonna do about this confession? 239 00:12:00,717 --> 00:12:03,709 Talk about taking advantage of someone's limited capacity. 240 00:12:03,802 --> 00:12:05,289 That's why I hung around... I wanted to get it 241 00:12:05,374 --> 00:12:07,561 - in front of both of you. - It's pretty damning. 242 00:12:07,813 --> 00:12:09,313 I get the feeling, if they had asked him 243 00:12:09,398 --> 00:12:11,678 where Hoffa's body was buried, he would have told them. 244 00:12:11,842 --> 00:12:13,108 How about I file a motion 245 00:12:13,194 --> 00:12:15,600 to get the confession thrown out first thing in the morning? 246 00:12:15,827 --> 00:12:18,286 That's how you get to be Benjamin Colón. 247 00:12:18,545 --> 00:12:20,030 Does that mean we're done for the day? 248 00:12:20,116 --> 00:12:21,873 I know I am. 249 00:12:27,915 --> 00:12:29,354 Are you happy? 250 00:12:29,753 --> 00:12:31,538 I'm sorry? 251 00:12:31,897 --> 00:12:33,467 Are you happy? 252 00:12:33,746 --> 00:12:37,514 I am lying here naked next to my naked husband, 253 00:12:37,768 --> 00:12:42,061 watching do-it-yourself bathroom projects at 8:30 at night. 254 00:12:42,255 --> 00:12:43,928 I'm euphoric. 255 00:12:44,120 --> 00:12:45,709 Why? 256 00:12:48,881 --> 00:12:50,452 I don't know, uh... 257 00:12:50,678 --> 00:12:53,319 the mail was piling up, and I finally got around 258 00:12:53,405 --> 00:12:54,975 to going through it, 259 00:12:55,136 --> 00:12:58,342 and there was a thing from a fertility clinic. 260 00:12:59,022 --> 00:13:00,483 A bill. 261 00:13:01,258 --> 00:13:04,905 They wanted to know if they should keep your eggs frozen 262 00:13:04,991 --> 00:13:07,850 or just... throw 'em away. 263 00:13:12,464 --> 00:13:16,288 I didn't even know that you had frozen some eggs. 264 00:13:17,056 --> 00:13:19,147 I didn't even know that you... 265 00:13:19,513 --> 00:13:20,725 wanted kids. 266 00:13:20,811 --> 00:13:22,272 I mean... 267 00:13:23,478 --> 00:13:25,639 I seem to recall when we first got married 268 00:13:25,725 --> 00:13:27,881 that we sort of figured out that... 269 00:13:28,085 --> 00:13:30,916 we didn't... want them. 270 00:13:31,413 --> 00:13:32,741 God. 271 00:13:32,934 --> 00:13:36,014 I so didn't see this conversation coming. 272 00:13:37,885 --> 00:13:39,827 I love what we have. 273 00:13:40,148 --> 00:13:42,702 I love our life just the way it is. 274 00:13:43,347 --> 00:13:45,342 But we're paying to keep your eggs 275 00:13:45,428 --> 00:13:47,889 in some stranger's Deepfreeze. 276 00:13:48,503 --> 00:13:50,366 I know. 277 00:13:50,664 --> 00:13:53,624 How can I explain this to you? 278 00:13:55,047 --> 00:13:57,398 After our divorce... 279 00:13:58,905 --> 00:14:00,430 friends with kids kept telling me 280 00:14:00,516 --> 00:14:02,016 that something's gonna happen, 281 00:14:02,271 --> 00:14:04,580 that I'd suddenly want them, too. 282 00:14:04,937 --> 00:14:08,396 That some switch would flip and it would be too late, 283 00:14:08,481 --> 00:14:10,625 and this was something I needed to plan for. 284 00:14:10,913 --> 00:14:12,266 And you're right, 285 00:14:12,352 --> 00:14:15,078 I never had that thing, that... kid thing, 286 00:14:15,164 --> 00:14:18,422 but I thought: "Don't be stupid. 287 00:14:18,773 --> 00:14:21,523 You don't know how you're gonna feel in five years." 288 00:14:22,140 --> 00:14:23,766 So I did it. I... 289 00:14:24,379 --> 00:14:26,883 just... did it. 290 00:14:27,667 --> 00:14:29,406 I guess... 291 00:14:30,566 --> 00:14:32,437 deep down... 292 00:14:32,939 --> 00:14:35,102 I wanted to have the option. 293 00:14:37,500 --> 00:14:39,305 So did it happen? 294 00:14:39,594 --> 00:14:42,586 Did your... switch flip? 295 00:14:44,886 --> 00:14:46,703 I really don't know. 296 00:14:48,523 --> 00:14:50,102 How would you feel if it did? 297 00:14:50,188 --> 00:14:52,364 I really don't know, either. 298 00:14:56,202 --> 00:14:57,641 I think... 299 00:14:57,862 --> 00:15:02,215 I need to give it some thought before I answer. 300 00:15:03,243 --> 00:15:04,781 Okay. 301 00:15:05,475 --> 00:15:07,062 I think I do, too. 302 00:15:08,133 --> 00:15:09,602 Okay. 303 00:15:25,468 --> 00:15:28,844 So, this morning is just gonna be about Mr. Colón 304 00:15:29,006 --> 00:15:31,234 trying to convince the court to ignore 305 00:15:31,320 --> 00:15:32,993 what you told the police when they arrested you. 306 00:15:33,078 --> 00:15:34,430 The jury's not even gonna be there. 307 00:15:34,515 --> 00:15:36,213 Did I say something bad? 308 00:15:38,196 --> 00:15:42,094 Well, you said you did it, and you said you'd do it again. 309 00:15:45,825 --> 00:15:48,088 Should I say something different? 310 00:15:49,901 --> 00:15:51,644 No. Just... 311 00:15:51,767 --> 00:15:52,806 do what you did yesterday: 312 00:15:52,891 --> 00:15:55,109 Don't speak unless Mr. Colón asks you to. 313 00:15:55,543 --> 00:15:57,062 Just sit. 314 00:15:57,198 --> 00:15:58,906 We'll do the rest. 315 00:16:00,985 --> 00:16:02,953 Your Honor, the defense would like to file 316 00:16:03,039 --> 00:16:05,652 a motion to suppress Lucas Schwieger's statements 317 00:16:05,738 --> 00:16:07,805 to the police at the time of his arrest. 318 00:16:07,948 --> 00:16:09,039 It's gonna be fine. 319 00:16:09,125 --> 00:16:11,562 Your Honor, there are simply no grounds for this. 320 00:16:11,648 --> 00:16:13,664 The defendant made a knowing and voluntary 321 00:16:13,750 --> 00:16:14,945 and intelligent waiver. 322 00:16:15,031 --> 00:16:18,133 "A knowing and voluntary and intelligent waiver." 323 00:16:18,219 --> 00:16:20,745 Your Honor, prior to my client's arrest, 324 00:16:20,831 --> 00:16:22,852 he had never even seen a state trooper 325 00:16:23,043 --> 00:16:25,526 or a courtroom or, for that matter, an attorney. 326 00:16:25,667 --> 00:16:27,625 He didn't even know what an attorney was, 327 00:16:27,711 --> 00:16:30,133 didn't know he had rights under the law. 328 00:16:30,227 --> 00:16:31,844 He didn't know anything. 329 00:16:31,936 --> 00:16:34,025 Nothing but what his father told him, 330 00:16:34,111 --> 00:16:36,317 and his father, who suffered from delusions 331 00:16:36,403 --> 00:16:39,470 and paranoia and a host of other mental illnesses, 332 00:16:39,556 --> 00:16:40,777 basically told him 333 00:16:40,863 --> 00:16:44,165 that anyone who was not one of the two of them 334 00:16:44,251 --> 00:16:45,704 was bad and needed to die. 335 00:16:45,790 --> 00:16:47,808 He never said that! He-he just... he said 336 00:16:47,894 --> 00:16:50,220 it was our land, and we had to kill or be killed! 337 00:16:50,306 --> 00:16:52,876 Lucas. My dad taught me how to carve. He taught me how to fish. 338 00:16:53,211 --> 00:16:54,330 Lucas. He-he taught me how to shoot. 339 00:16:54,415 --> 00:16:55,853 Counselor, control your client. 340 00:16:55,939 --> 00:16:59,638 They came on our land. It was kill or be killed! Lucas. 341 00:17:00,543 --> 00:17:02,408 My apologies, Your Honor. 342 00:17:03,611 --> 00:17:05,322 As you can clearly see... 343 00:17:05,819 --> 00:17:07,494 my client is a victim 344 00:17:07,580 --> 00:17:09,932 of a cruel and sadistic upbringing, 345 00:17:10,086 --> 00:17:12,204 one that kept the world away at all costs. 346 00:17:12,290 --> 00:17:13,884 He simply doesn't know any better. 347 00:17:13,999 --> 00:17:16,290 He couldn't possibly have been expected 348 00:17:16,408 --> 00:17:17,673 to understand his rights 349 00:17:17,759 --> 00:17:20,525 or the consequences of speaking without an attorney present. 350 00:17:20,611 --> 00:17:22,354 No, no, no, no, no! They killed him! 351 00:17:22,440 --> 00:17:24,290 They came on our land, and they killed him! 352 00:17:24,376 --> 00:17:25,901 Lucas, stop. We shot at them, 353 00:17:25,987 --> 00:17:27,127 - but they came on our land! - Mr. Schwieger, 354 00:17:27,212 --> 00:17:28,876 I need you to stay in your seat. 355 00:17:28,962 --> 00:17:31,634 And to refrain from speaking. I didn't do nothing wrong! 356 00:17:31,720 --> 00:17:34,266 Officer, return Mr. Schwieger to holding, please, 357 00:17:34,352 --> 00:17:35,571 immediately. 358 00:17:37,573 --> 00:17:40,009 It's okay. You need to go with him. 359 00:17:40,930 --> 00:17:42,407 It's gonna be all right. 360 00:17:42,760 --> 00:17:44,079 Let's go. 361 00:17:54,973 --> 00:17:58,020 This is one of those moments in a judge's life. 362 00:18:00,765 --> 00:18:03,509 So... let's talk law. 363 00:18:04,155 --> 00:18:07,563 I certainly see the validity of your argument, Mr. Colón. 364 00:18:07,649 --> 00:18:09,446 "Knowing and voluntary and intelligent" 365 00:18:09,532 --> 00:18:11,318 hardly describes what went on here. 366 00:18:11,557 --> 00:18:14,430 Your motion to suppress Mr. Schwieger's statement 367 00:18:14,516 --> 00:18:16,712 to the police from evidence is granted. 368 00:18:16,798 --> 00:18:18,282 However... 369 00:18:18,368 --> 00:18:20,485 I'm not sure the omission of the statement 370 00:18:20,571 --> 00:18:23,924 will matter much to the jury if you can't rein in 371 00:18:24,010 --> 00:18:25,759 your client's behavior. 372 00:18:26,184 --> 00:18:27,415 Yes, Your Honor. 373 00:18:27,501 --> 00:18:29,079 Thank you, Your Honor. 374 00:18:32,196 --> 00:18:34,352 What did we get ourselves into here? 375 00:18:35,172 --> 00:18:36,698 He couldn't even keep it together 376 00:18:36,784 --> 00:18:38,587 for a ten-minute motion hearing. 377 00:18:38,771 --> 00:18:40,204 How is he supposed to make it 378 00:18:40,290 --> 00:18:42,735 through eight hours a day of court? 379 00:18:44,933 --> 00:18:46,485 May I ask who's calling? 380 00:18:47,257 --> 00:18:48,587 This is he. 381 00:18:50,437 --> 00:18:51,960 I see. 382 00:18:53,305 --> 00:18:54,649 I see. 383 00:18:54,771 --> 00:18:56,601 No, I'll be right over. 384 00:18:56,929 --> 00:18:58,712 I very much appreciate the call. 385 00:18:59,745 --> 00:19:01,355 Everything all right? 386 00:19:03,124 --> 00:19:05,085 Lucas is in the hospital. 387 00:19:05,396 --> 00:19:07,399 After he returned from court today, 388 00:19:07,680 --> 00:19:09,399 he tried to hang himself. 389 00:19:20,501 --> 00:19:22,418 Sorry I'm late. 390 00:19:22,930 --> 00:19:24,524 What kind of shape is he in? 391 00:19:24,680 --> 00:19:27,140 Well, at the moment, he's heavily sedated. 392 00:19:27,234 --> 00:19:28,852 One of the other inmates heard him choking 393 00:19:28,937 --> 00:19:30,523 and called out to the guards. 394 00:19:30,609 --> 00:19:33,168 They cut him down and resuscitated him. 395 00:19:33,374 --> 00:19:36,168 The good news is he's going to be fine. 396 00:19:37,945 --> 00:19:40,327 So, anybody venturing a guess about when he'll be awake, 397 00:19:40,413 --> 00:19:41,741 when I can get him back in court? 398 00:19:41,826 --> 00:19:43,890 They're guessing his sedation wouldn't wear off 399 00:19:43,976 --> 00:19:45,234 until midday tomorrow. 400 00:19:45,320 --> 00:19:46,390 Oh. 401 00:19:46,476 --> 00:19:48,456 So... what now? 402 00:19:48,542 --> 00:19:50,846 Now we roar into the courtroom tomorrow morning 403 00:19:50,932 --> 00:19:52,643 before the prosecution is any wiser, 404 00:19:52,729 --> 00:19:54,590 and Benny files a motion to try and keep all this 405 00:19:54,675 --> 00:19:56,331 from being introduced into the record. 406 00:19:56,417 --> 00:19:58,643 Why? I mean, I'm no lawyer, 407 00:19:58,760 --> 00:20:00,479 but if I'm on the jury, 408 00:20:00,565 --> 00:20:02,120 doesn't the idea that he 409 00:20:02,206 --> 00:20:05,284 almost tried to kill himself make Lucas look... 410 00:20:05,565 --> 00:20:06,674 sympathetic? 411 00:20:06,760 --> 00:20:08,377 You'd think so, wouldn't you? 412 00:20:08,823 --> 00:20:10,727 But that's not how the other side will spin it. 413 00:20:10,812 --> 00:20:12,050 They will claim it is proof 414 00:20:12,136 --> 00:20:14,228 Lucas felt guilty about what he did, 415 00:20:14,314 --> 00:20:17,135 that he knows he did something he shouldn't have, 416 00:20:17,221 --> 00:20:19,839 and since we're telling the jury the exact opposite... 417 00:20:19,925 --> 00:20:21,299 That he didn't know the difference 418 00:20:21,385 --> 00:20:22,565 between right and wrong... 419 00:20:22,650 --> 00:20:24,131 The trial would effectively be over 420 00:20:24,216 --> 00:20:26,741 before we ever called a witness. 421 00:20:27,872 --> 00:20:29,458 That the suicide attempt is 422 00:20:29,544 --> 00:20:31,864 somehow connected to this caseworker's death 423 00:20:31,950 --> 00:20:33,576 is pure speculation. 424 00:20:33,661 --> 00:20:35,997 I mean, look at everything this young man has been through. 425 00:20:36,083 --> 00:20:37,101 He watched 426 00:20:37,186 --> 00:20:39,755 as his father was shot to death right in front of him. 427 00:20:39,841 --> 00:20:41,122 He's been pulled away 428 00:20:41,208 --> 00:20:43,036 from the only home he's ever known. 429 00:20:43,122 --> 00:20:45,841 He's spent this last week either in a-a courtroom 430 00:20:45,927 --> 00:20:47,067 or a jail cell. 431 00:20:47,152 --> 00:20:49,372 If we are going to hypothesize, 432 00:20:49,458 --> 00:20:50,544 shouldn't we say 433 00:20:50,630 --> 00:20:54,552 that maybe depression is the cause of... of this behavior? 434 00:20:54,833 --> 00:20:56,083 Your Honor, 435 00:20:56,169 --> 00:20:57,474 Dr. Jason Bull. 436 00:20:57,560 --> 00:20:59,607 I'm part of the defense team and a doctor of psychology. 437 00:20:59,692 --> 00:21:01,079 I know who you are, Dr. Bull. 438 00:21:01,165 --> 00:21:03,478 Well, in my professional opinion, 439 00:21:03,564 --> 00:21:05,563 it's likely that this child tried to kill himself 440 00:21:05,649 --> 00:21:09,470 because the only man he knew, the only man he trusted, 441 00:21:09,603 --> 00:21:11,396 his father, was being referred to 442 00:21:11,481 --> 00:21:14,834 as the person most responsible for his own death 443 00:21:14,919 --> 00:21:16,368 and his son's incarceration. 444 00:21:16,454 --> 00:21:19,415 Now, this man was the boy's God. His North Star. 445 00:21:19,501 --> 00:21:22,506 Everything he knew about life he learned from this man, 446 00:21:22,604 --> 00:21:25,218 and to hear that he could be so profoundly wrong 447 00:21:25,697 --> 00:21:27,729 had to be cataclysmic for him 448 00:21:27,900 --> 00:21:30,763 and was surely reason enough for him to consider 449 00:21:30,848 --> 00:21:32,697 taking his own life. 450 00:21:35,324 --> 00:21:37,900 I'm not sure what I believe the boy was thinking. 451 00:21:37,986 --> 00:21:40,817 Respectfully, that's for the jury to decide. 452 00:21:41,143 --> 00:21:43,036 And they won't get to decide if we withhold 453 00:21:43,122 --> 00:21:45,777 the defendant's suicide attempt from them. 454 00:21:47,604 --> 00:21:50,049 I agree with the defense, 455 00:21:50,135 --> 00:21:52,350 and I find the prejudicial impact 456 00:21:52,435 --> 00:21:55,018 outweighs the probative value. 457 00:21:55,627 --> 00:21:58,979 The attempted suicide will not be allowed into evidence. 458 00:21:59,385 --> 00:22:00,643 When will the defendant 459 00:22:00,729 --> 00:22:02,689 be available so that the trial can resume? 460 00:22:02,775 --> 00:22:04,493 We will get you the answer to that question 461 00:22:04,578 --> 00:22:06,330 as soon as possible, Your Honor. 462 00:22:07,938 --> 00:22:09,893 I am so sorry. 463 00:22:09,979 --> 00:22:12,370 It's amazing what he can do in a split second. 464 00:22:12,455 --> 00:22:13,763 It's fine. 465 00:22:13,894 --> 00:22:15,330 Here, Mommy. 466 00:22:18,879 --> 00:22:20,150 How old is he? 467 00:22:20,252 --> 00:22:21,336 22 months. 468 00:22:21,421 --> 00:22:23,250 Uh, almost two. 469 00:22:23,335 --> 00:22:25,143 Two years since I've had a full night's sleep. 470 00:22:25,229 --> 00:22:26,775 Two years since I've read a book. 471 00:22:26,861 --> 00:22:28,263 Two years since I've been to the gym. 472 00:22:28,348 --> 00:22:29,784 You have kids? 473 00:22:30,586 --> 00:22:31,854 Yeah, I can tell. 474 00:22:31,953 --> 00:22:33,611 You lack frazzle. 475 00:22:35,132 --> 00:22:36,742 Bye. 476 00:22:41,392 --> 00:22:42,878 Well, turns out the nearest neighbors 477 00:22:42,964 --> 00:22:44,604 are almost a quarter mile away. 478 00:22:44,690 --> 00:22:46,143 They seemed to know that there was a teenager 479 00:22:46,228 --> 00:22:47,433 and an old man living near them, 480 00:22:47,518 --> 00:22:49,486 but they said that they'd sometimes hear gunfire, 481 00:22:49,572 --> 00:22:51,275 so they kept their distance. 482 00:22:51,619 --> 00:22:52,715 Maybe there's someone 483 00:22:52,800 --> 00:22:54,104 from their past. 484 00:22:54,541 --> 00:22:57,018 He told me his mother hung herself when he was little. 485 00:22:57,104 --> 00:22:58,433 I'll bet that's where he got the idea. 486 00:22:58,518 --> 00:23:00,765 - How horrible. - Maybe there's someone 487 00:23:00,851 --> 00:23:02,565 who knew her, who was friends with her before she... 488 00:23:02,650 --> 00:23:04,262 That would be great. 489 00:23:04,454 --> 00:23:07,182 Someone we could get to testify 490 00:23:07,268 --> 00:23:09,601 to how Lucas had a normal life at one time 491 00:23:09,686 --> 00:23:12,736 and a completely isolated one once the mother passed. 492 00:23:13,205 --> 00:23:14,861 I know it drives the kid crazy, 493 00:23:14,947 --> 00:23:16,245 but we have to keep hammering away 494 00:23:16,330 --> 00:23:18,111 at what a lunatic the father was. 495 00:23:18,197 --> 00:23:20,723 What about the person who called Child Protective Services? 496 00:23:20,871 --> 00:23:21,961 There's a reason why 497 00:23:22,046 --> 00:23:23,355 these folks went out to take a look. 498 00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:25,135 Someone had to have called in a complaint. 499 00:23:25,244 --> 00:23:27,783 Yep. A woman named Yvonne Fowler. 500 00:23:27,869 --> 00:23:28,807 She won't take my calls, 501 00:23:28,893 --> 00:23:30,550 and she doesn't answer the door when I visit her house, 502 00:23:30,635 --> 00:23:32,322 but I haven't given up. 503 00:23:32,408 --> 00:23:34,229 Well, I'm about to. I'm exhausted. 504 00:23:34,315 --> 00:23:36,319 Court's back in session first thing in the morning. 505 00:23:36,405 --> 00:23:38,059 You don't have to tell me twice. 506 00:23:43,282 --> 00:23:46,200 My son is obsessed with sending me poop emojis. 507 00:23:46,441 --> 00:23:48,141 I wonder if it means something. 508 00:23:48,227 --> 00:23:50,307 You are always on duty, aren't you? 509 00:23:50,642 --> 00:23:51,896 On duty? 510 00:23:52,076 --> 00:23:53,705 That's a joke, right? 511 00:23:56,018 --> 00:23:57,721 Hey, let me ask you something. 512 00:23:58,088 --> 00:24:00,042 How'd you know you wanted to have kids? 513 00:24:00,360 --> 00:24:01,826 Was it something... 514 00:24:02,229 --> 00:24:03,479 you just felt in your soul, 515 00:24:03,565 --> 00:24:06,135 or did you just sense it was the right time? 516 00:24:06,317 --> 00:24:08,838 Neither. It was more like a three-martini night, 517 00:24:08,924 --> 00:24:10,711 and nine months later we needed a crib. 518 00:24:11,298 --> 00:24:12,471 I mean, 519 00:24:12,557 --> 00:24:13,647 it wasn't planned, 520 00:24:13,749 --> 00:24:16,623 but wouldn't trade it for anything. 521 00:24:17,002 --> 00:24:18,450 You getting an itch? 522 00:24:19,596 --> 00:24:21,205 Not even a tickle. 523 00:24:21,628 --> 00:24:22,729 Greg? 524 00:24:23,536 --> 00:24:25,213 He wants what I want. 525 00:24:25,491 --> 00:24:27,330 At least, that's what he says. 526 00:24:27,518 --> 00:24:29,376 And you don't know what you want. 527 00:24:29,743 --> 00:24:31,127 No. 528 00:24:31,752 --> 00:24:32,869 I envy you. 529 00:24:32,963 --> 00:24:34,760 Really? Why? 530 00:24:34,945 --> 00:24:36,643 It feels terrible from in here. 531 00:24:37,158 --> 00:24:40,533 Because no matter what happens, no matter what you do, 532 00:24:40,658 --> 00:24:42,424 it's gonna be wonderful. 533 00:24:44,550 --> 00:24:45,769 You're either gonna get what you want, 534 00:24:45,854 --> 00:24:48,268 or you're gonna... get what you want. 535 00:24:52,058 --> 00:24:55,447 The people would like to call Yvonne Fowler to the stand. 536 00:24:55,679 --> 00:24:57,031 Yvonne Fowler? 537 00:24:57,155 --> 00:24:59,432 Isn't she the one Danny said called in the complaint 538 00:24:59,518 --> 00:25:00,596 to Child Services? 539 00:25:00,682 --> 00:25:03,135 Looks like she took the prosecution's call. 540 00:25:06,258 --> 00:25:07,478 I know her. 541 00:25:07,564 --> 00:25:08,764 Ms. Fowler, 542 00:25:09,104 --> 00:25:11,354 could you please tell the court how you came to meet 543 00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:12,965 Lucas Schwieger? 544 00:25:13,666 --> 00:25:16,314 I'm a nurse at St. Benjamin's Hospital, 545 00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:19,709 which is about five miles from where Norman and Lucas lived. 546 00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:22,473 A few months ago, Norman showed up 547 00:25:22,558 --> 00:25:24,678 in the middle of the night at the hospital with Lucas. 548 00:25:24,822 --> 00:25:27,104 Norman had walking pneumonia. 549 00:25:27,206 --> 00:25:29,229 Once we got Norman checked in, 550 00:25:29,590 --> 00:25:31,986 I realized Lucas had nowhere to go. 551 00:25:32,079 --> 00:25:34,562 So I brought him home with me, 552 00:25:34,648 --> 00:25:36,923 thinking it would just be for a day or so. 553 00:25:37,190 --> 00:25:40,618 But one day turned into two, two turned into a week, 554 00:25:40,704 --> 00:25:44,399 and Lucas ended up staying with us for three weeks. 555 00:25:44,536 --> 00:25:46,352 - And when you say "us"? - Oh. 556 00:25:46,438 --> 00:25:47,876 My husband and two children. 557 00:25:48,236 --> 00:25:50,227 Boys. Seven and nine. 558 00:25:50,313 --> 00:25:52,220 So, when the defense claims Mr. Schwieger 559 00:25:52,306 --> 00:25:54,829 spent his whole life in isolation, 560 00:25:54,981 --> 00:25:56,970 that simply isn't true, is it? 561 00:25:57,125 --> 00:25:58,915 I don't know anything about his whole life. 562 00:25:59,001 --> 00:26:00,709 Well, but you can categorically state 563 00:26:00,795 --> 00:26:02,146 that he lived with you? 564 00:26:02,467 --> 00:26:04,747 Had running water, home-cooked meals, 565 00:26:04,926 --> 00:26:08,060 slept in a warm bed for a period 566 00:26:08,212 --> 00:26:09,724 of three weeks? 567 00:26:09,975 --> 00:26:11,154 Yes, he did. 568 00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:13,076 Now, you're very active in your church, 569 00:26:13,162 --> 00:26:14,557 aren't you, Ms. Fowler? 570 00:26:14,691 --> 00:26:16,326 Our whole family is. 571 00:26:16,412 --> 00:26:17,981 I teach Sunday school. 572 00:26:18,510 --> 00:26:21,213 During the three weeks Lucas lived with you, 573 00:26:21,303 --> 00:26:22,650 did you ever take him to church? 574 00:26:22,736 --> 00:26:24,044 Every Sunday. 575 00:26:24,392 --> 00:26:27,092 He said he'd never stepped inside a church before, 576 00:26:27,318 --> 00:26:29,892 and he seemed to like it. 577 00:26:30,197 --> 00:26:33,056 The singing, the shaking hands, the sermon. 578 00:26:33,281 --> 00:26:34,885 My boys showed him how 579 00:26:34,971 --> 00:26:36,697 to put money in the plate. 580 00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:38,767 Hard to know if this is good or bad 581 00:26:38,853 --> 00:26:39,955 for our side. 582 00:26:40,041 --> 00:26:42,345 Anything that suggests Lucas knew right from wrong 583 00:26:42,431 --> 00:26:43,956 - is not a help. - So, I'm curious. 584 00:26:44,042 --> 00:26:46,353 Did you ever take Mr. Schwieger with you to Sunday school? 585 00:26:46,439 --> 00:26:47,752 Yes, I did once. 586 00:26:47,875 --> 00:26:49,010 Could you tell the court what lessons 587 00:26:49,095 --> 00:26:50,361 were being taught that Sunday? 588 00:26:50,447 --> 00:26:52,799 We talked about the Ten Commandments. 589 00:26:53,155 --> 00:26:55,769 And that particular week was the fifth commandment: 590 00:26:56,447 --> 00:26:58,275 thou shalt not kill. 591 00:27:01,392 --> 00:27:02,657 Jury's slipping away. 592 00:27:02,876 --> 00:27:04,291 They're starting to sense 593 00:27:04,377 --> 00:27:05,643 that he's seen enough of the world 594 00:27:05,728 --> 00:27:07,136 to know the difference between right and wrong. 595 00:27:07,221 --> 00:27:08,355 You don't just shoot people 596 00:27:08,441 --> 00:27:10,053 when they show up in front of your house. 597 00:27:10,139 --> 00:27:11,880 So, how'd it go in there? 598 00:27:12,915 --> 00:27:14,330 We've had better days. 599 00:27:14,416 --> 00:27:16,487 You still interested in making the father the villain? 600 00:27:16,572 --> 00:27:19,470 I'm not sure it much matters to the jury at this point. 601 00:27:19,556 --> 00:27:20,815 Maybe that's because they haven't heard 602 00:27:20,900 --> 00:27:22,905 - the really bad stuff. - Really bad stuff? Like what? 603 00:27:22,990 --> 00:27:25,385 Like, how about telling a child his whole life 604 00:27:25,471 --> 00:27:29,314 that his mother is dead when she's actually alive. 605 00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:35,869 You good if I smoke? 606 00:27:40,641 --> 00:27:41,805 Anybody thirsty? 607 00:27:41,891 --> 00:27:44,541 We're fine. We just wanted to ask you a few questions 608 00:27:44,627 --> 00:27:47,135 about your ex-husband, Norman, and your son, Lucas. 609 00:27:47,350 --> 00:27:50,627 Oh, well, I mean, I'll tell you everything I know. 610 00:27:51,569 --> 00:27:53,283 Did you know that Norman died? 611 00:27:53,768 --> 00:27:55,541 Shot by a state trooper. 612 00:27:56,120 --> 00:27:59,541 And that your son, Lucas, is on trial for murder? 613 00:28:01,027 --> 00:28:02,616 No, I didn't know that. 614 00:28:02,849 --> 00:28:04,940 You aware that your son thinks you're dead? 615 00:28:05,846 --> 00:28:07,187 Well, I'm not surprised. 616 00:28:07,273 --> 00:28:08,538 You ever meet his father? 617 00:28:08,624 --> 00:28:09,874 Never had the pleasure. 618 00:28:10,036 --> 00:28:11,609 What can you tell me about him? 619 00:28:12,246 --> 00:28:14,250 Uh, he's crazy. 620 00:28:14,569 --> 00:28:15,632 I just finally said, 621 00:28:15,718 --> 00:28:18,287 "I'm gonna take Lucas and leave." 622 00:28:18,373 --> 00:28:19,986 And how'd Norman feel about that? 623 00:28:20,072 --> 00:28:21,726 Oh, that night I woke up 624 00:28:21,812 --> 00:28:24,163 and find Norman on top of me with a pistol in my mouth. 625 00:28:24,249 --> 00:28:26,398 And he said if I ever tried to take the boy, 626 00:28:26,484 --> 00:28:28,343 he was gonna kill both of us. 627 00:28:29,071 --> 00:28:30,937 How old was Lucas? 628 00:28:31,218 --> 00:28:32,929 He'd just turned three. 629 00:28:33,827 --> 00:28:36,976 So, that night, the second he fell asleep, 630 00:28:37,234 --> 00:28:38,257 I was out the window. 631 00:28:38,343 --> 00:28:40,882 I didn't even kiss my baby good-bye. 632 00:28:42,741 --> 00:28:44,210 I know it's been a long time, 633 00:28:44,296 --> 00:28:45,656 but we need your son's jury to hear 634 00:28:45,741 --> 00:28:48,046 what it was like to live with that man, 635 00:28:48,132 --> 00:28:50,999 to hear the story you just told us. 636 00:28:51,624 --> 00:28:52,928 Yeah, I don't think so. 637 00:28:53,014 --> 00:28:55,093 I got a really busy schedule. 638 00:28:55,827 --> 00:28:57,726 You have a drug problem, Mrs. Schwieger? 639 00:28:57,812 --> 00:28:59,515 It's not a problem for me. 640 00:28:59,648 --> 00:29:01,386 Okay, I'm gonna step outside. 641 00:29:01,472 --> 00:29:02,735 She's gonna stay in here with you. 642 00:29:02,820 --> 00:29:04,289 I want you to put on the closest thing you have 643 00:29:04,374 --> 00:29:05,456 to a decent dress, 644 00:29:05,542 --> 00:29:07,597 and then we are going to the courthouse. 645 00:29:07,683 --> 00:29:09,316 And don't try going out the window. 646 00:29:09,635 --> 00:29:11,355 She's ex-FBI. 647 00:29:15,784 --> 00:29:17,125 She could be anybody. 648 00:29:17,211 --> 00:29:18,432 But she isn't. 649 00:29:18,518 --> 00:29:20,607 - Can I smoke? - No. 650 00:29:22,956 --> 00:29:24,324 She's gonna tell the jury 651 00:29:24,410 --> 00:29:26,410 what life was like with your father before she left. 652 00:29:26,495 --> 00:29:27,879 And you're not gonna like hearing it, 653 00:29:27,964 --> 00:29:30,050 but I need you to promise that you will not react. 654 00:29:30,136 --> 00:29:32,808 No noises. No faces. 655 00:29:33,019 --> 00:29:35,706 No standing. No talking. 656 00:29:37,674 --> 00:29:39,632 Don't worry, I won't do nothing. 657 00:29:43,213 --> 00:29:44,474 I don't even know her. 658 00:29:45,886 --> 00:29:47,105 He knocked me around 659 00:29:47,191 --> 00:29:48,651 all the time. 660 00:29:48,737 --> 00:29:50,003 Wouldn't let us go out. 661 00:29:50,088 --> 00:29:51,284 He didn't trust anyone. 662 00:29:51,370 --> 00:29:54,292 Objection, Your Honor. What does any of this have to do 663 00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:56,559 with whether or not Lucas Schwieger shot a police officer? 664 00:29:56,644 --> 00:29:58,370 If it pleases the court, 665 00:29:58,456 --> 00:30:00,612 in order to understand what happened 666 00:30:00,698 --> 00:30:02,894 the day of the shooting, we have to understand 667 00:30:02,980 --> 00:30:05,339 what kind of environment Lucas came from. 668 00:30:05,597 --> 00:30:06,802 Overruled. 669 00:30:07,089 --> 00:30:08,499 Now, you were saying... 670 00:30:08,584 --> 00:30:10,972 He just got stranger and stranger. 671 00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:14,375 He-he stopped letting me leave the cabin at all. 672 00:30:14,460 --> 00:30:16,986 He... he rigged up alarms 673 00:30:17,071 --> 00:30:19,175 so that he would know if somebody came and went. 674 00:30:19,261 --> 00:30:20,337 He said that the government 675 00:30:20,422 --> 00:30:22,323 was watching him from satellites. 676 00:30:22,409 --> 00:30:23,543 From space? 677 00:30:23,629 --> 00:30:27,113 Yeah. Sometimes at night he'd go outside, 678 00:30:27,299 --> 00:30:29,042 and-and he'd scream at them. 679 00:30:29,127 --> 00:30:31,097 He'd shoot his guns up in the air. 680 00:30:31,183 --> 00:30:32,823 I mean, I was scared all the time. 681 00:30:32,909 --> 00:30:34,237 It was no way to live. 682 00:30:34,323 --> 00:30:37,050 And it probably wasn't any better for Lucas, either. 683 00:30:37,300 --> 00:30:40,026 Thank you. No further questions, Your Honor. 684 00:30:40,112 --> 00:30:41,316 Well, that made an impact. 685 00:30:41,402 --> 00:30:43,425 No reds have flipped green, but I can see 686 00:30:43,511 --> 00:30:45,980 that their attitudes about Lucas are in flux. 687 00:30:46,105 --> 00:30:49,336 For the first time, they're sympathizing with him. 688 00:30:50,504 --> 00:30:53,214 Let's take a moment and talk about your past. 689 00:30:53,498 --> 00:30:55,519 Are you the same Brenda Schwieger 690 00:30:55,605 --> 00:30:58,566 who was convicted of forging checks? 691 00:30:58,878 --> 00:31:01,509 Sentenced to court-appointed rehab twice? 692 00:31:02,097 --> 00:31:04,472 Hasn't had a full-time job in almost 20 years? 693 00:31:04,558 --> 00:31:05,774 And you expect this jury 694 00:31:05,859 --> 00:31:07,259 to believe anything you have to say? 695 00:31:07,589 --> 00:31:08,722 You got me. 696 00:31:08,808 --> 00:31:10,441 I don't even want to be here. 697 00:31:10,550 --> 00:31:12,520 I just was told that I had to. 698 00:31:12,605 --> 00:31:14,472 But I'll tell you this. 699 00:31:15,072 --> 00:31:17,198 My husband ruined me. 700 00:31:17,870 --> 00:31:20,714 I used to be a human being. 701 00:31:20,894 --> 00:31:23,444 So whatever kind of person Lucas has become, 702 00:31:23,529 --> 00:31:27,100 trust me, it's because his father got him there. 703 00:31:27,284 --> 00:31:29,537 If my little baby has become a killer, 704 00:31:29,684 --> 00:31:32,077 it's because his father turned him into one. 705 00:31:40,792 --> 00:31:42,347 She was good. 706 00:31:42,581 --> 00:31:43,836 You think it was enough? 707 00:31:43,922 --> 00:31:45,308 No. 708 00:31:45,815 --> 00:31:47,334 But I have an idea. 709 00:31:48,284 --> 00:31:49,605 So these are of 710 00:31:49,691 --> 00:31:50,870 the inside of the cabin. 711 00:31:50,956 --> 00:31:52,589 As you can see, it's pretty spartan. 712 00:31:52,862 --> 00:31:54,083 You can use these to show 713 00:31:54,168 --> 00:31:56,216 the jury how little stimulation was available. 714 00:31:56,301 --> 00:31:59,262 No books, no radio, no TV. 715 00:31:59,768 --> 00:32:01,580 Obviously, no computers. 716 00:32:01,774 --> 00:32:05,073 And most importantly, no outlets for learning. 717 00:32:05,807 --> 00:32:07,925 All right, so these are the air horns and the trip wires 718 00:32:08,010 --> 00:32:09,651 Norman installed around the property 719 00:32:09,737 --> 00:32:11,174 to ward against intruders. 720 00:32:11,260 --> 00:32:13,909 Got it. Helps demonstrate the paranoia. 721 00:32:13,995 --> 00:32:15,784 Fear of outsiders, the isolation. 722 00:32:15,870 --> 00:32:17,198 Ready for the next series? 723 00:32:17,287 --> 00:32:18,979 Fire when ready. 724 00:32:24,001 --> 00:32:25,505 What are we looking at here? 725 00:32:25,838 --> 00:32:27,508 It's a homemade target range. 726 00:32:27,674 --> 00:32:29,479 Metal head and torso silhouettes. 727 00:32:29,565 --> 00:32:31,885 By the way, the police dusted all of this. 728 00:32:31,971 --> 00:32:33,838 The guns, the targets. 729 00:32:33,924 --> 00:32:36,455 Lucas's fingerprints were everywhere. 730 00:32:36,558 --> 00:32:38,627 His father's? Norman's? 731 00:32:38,737 --> 00:32:40,143 Not so much. 732 00:32:41,722 --> 00:32:43,002 Wow. 733 00:32:43,696 --> 00:32:45,619 All those bull's-eyes. 734 00:32:45,807 --> 00:32:47,385 One on top of the other. Looks like 735 00:32:47,471 --> 00:32:48,846 Lucas was quite the shot. 736 00:32:48,987 --> 00:32:51,643 How far away would you say the targets were 737 00:32:51,729 --> 00:32:53,511 from the stand where Lucas would have been shooting from? 738 00:32:53,596 --> 00:32:55,492 - Had to be at least 50 yards. - I'm not sure 739 00:32:55,577 --> 00:32:58,306 we really want the jury looking at this target range. 740 00:32:58,537 --> 00:33:00,174 I mean, it's kind of horrific. 741 00:33:00,260 --> 00:33:02,666 Kind of like looking at a murderer's training ground. 742 00:33:02,889 --> 00:33:04,658 Actually, I disagree. 743 00:33:05,035 --> 00:33:07,681 I think this is exactly what the jury needs to see. 744 00:33:07,767 --> 00:33:10,377 Okay. Well, how are we gonna get all this in? 745 00:33:10,462 --> 00:33:11,494 Who's on the stand? 746 00:33:11,580 --> 00:33:13,323 Can't just stand up in front of a court 747 00:33:13,409 --> 00:33:15,556 and show photos without any context. 748 00:33:15,642 --> 00:33:17,400 We need somebody to authenticate them, 749 00:33:17,486 --> 00:33:19,664 to say that this is really where Lucas lived, 750 00:33:19,819 --> 00:33:21,439 that this is really what it looked like. 751 00:33:21,525 --> 00:33:23,527 Who are we gonna get to do that? 752 00:33:25,996 --> 00:33:28,486 I was thinking... Lucas. 753 00:33:35,768 --> 00:33:37,174 Good morning, Lucas. 754 00:33:37,705 --> 00:33:39,713 First time in a witness box? 755 00:33:40,721 --> 00:33:42,041 Yes. 756 00:33:42,455 --> 00:33:45,556 Well, you know how this works, right? 757 00:33:45,861 --> 00:33:48,306 They made you raise your right hand a moment ago, and 758 00:33:48,392 --> 00:33:49,838 you promised to tell the truth. 759 00:33:49,971 --> 00:33:51,494 You understand that, don't you? 760 00:33:51,728 --> 00:33:52,884 Yes. 761 00:33:53,252 --> 00:33:54,594 All right. 762 00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:56,431 Now... 763 00:33:57,429 --> 00:33:59,127 Does this picture...? 764 00:33:59,983 --> 00:34:02,225 Does this look familiar to you? 765 00:34:02,535 --> 00:34:04,452 Does it look like a place you know? 766 00:34:05,482 --> 00:34:06,774 Yes. 767 00:34:07,326 --> 00:34:08,711 It's behind my house. 768 00:34:08,919 --> 00:34:10,451 It's a target range. 769 00:34:11,038 --> 00:34:13,216 Right? A place where... 770 00:34:13,514 --> 00:34:15,522 people practice shooting guns? 771 00:34:16,067 --> 00:34:17,342 Yes. 772 00:34:17,489 --> 00:34:18,927 You shoot there a lot? 773 00:34:19,364 --> 00:34:21,049 Pretty much almost every day. 774 00:34:21,135 --> 00:34:22,295 All right. 775 00:34:22,645 --> 00:34:25,686 Now how far was that target from where you shot? 776 00:34:27,842 --> 00:34:28,896 Uh, I-I don't get you. 777 00:34:28,982 --> 00:34:32,278 How many steps? I mean, if you had to take a guess. 778 00:34:33,021 --> 00:34:34,342 Um... 779 00:34:35,381 --> 00:34:36,500 at least a hundred. 780 00:34:36,586 --> 00:34:37,680 Okay. 781 00:34:37,766 --> 00:34:41,279 And how far away from the house was the state trooper 782 00:34:41,428 --> 00:34:43,594 and the lady he brought with him? 783 00:34:44,123 --> 00:34:45,596 The one your dad shot? 784 00:34:46,130 --> 00:34:47,597 Maybe... 785 00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:49,475 20 steps. 786 00:34:50,052 --> 00:34:51,253 Never really counted. 787 00:34:51,339 --> 00:34:53,154 Objection. Relevance? 788 00:34:53,428 --> 00:34:56,428 If the court would just indulge me for a moment more, please? 789 00:34:56,514 --> 00:34:57,605 Overruled. 790 00:34:57,691 --> 00:34:59,162 Thank you, Your Honor. 791 00:35:00,397 --> 00:35:02,623 Do you recognize this picture? 792 00:35:03,639 --> 00:35:05,084 That's what I shoot at. 793 00:35:05,294 --> 00:35:06,795 So these are your bullet holes? 794 00:35:06,886 --> 00:35:07,998 I'm the only one 795 00:35:08,084 --> 00:35:09,117 who shoots there. 796 00:35:09,203 --> 00:35:10,373 Huh. 797 00:35:10,976 --> 00:35:15,881 So if you shoot at these targets pretty much every day, 798 00:35:16,190 --> 00:35:18,889 and they're at least a hundred feet away, 799 00:35:19,837 --> 00:35:22,287 why'd you shoot that state trooper in the leg? 800 00:35:29,540 --> 00:35:31,936 The witness will answer the question. Oh, that's all right. 801 00:35:32,046 --> 00:35:33,686 I'll rephrase. 802 00:35:34,061 --> 00:35:37,272 Didn't your father tell you, "It's kill or be killed"? 803 00:35:40,692 --> 00:35:41,668 Again, 804 00:35:41,754 --> 00:35:43,201 the witness will answer the question. 805 00:35:43,287 --> 00:35:45,127 I'll withdraw the question. Let me ask another. 806 00:35:45,912 --> 00:35:47,881 Do you recognize the phrase, 807 00:35:47,967 --> 00:35:49,928 "thou shalt not kill"? 808 00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:52,131 Have you heard that before? 809 00:35:53,138 --> 00:35:54,488 Yes. 810 00:35:54,574 --> 00:35:56,099 Sunday school, right? 811 00:35:57,232 --> 00:35:58,407 Yes. 812 00:35:58,493 --> 00:35:59,624 And did it go through your mind 813 00:35:59,709 --> 00:36:02,363 when your father told you, "Kill or be killed"? 814 00:36:06,987 --> 00:36:08,217 Lucas? 815 00:36:11,581 --> 00:36:13,037 Yes. 816 00:36:14,217 --> 00:36:16,732 That's why you shot that state trooper in the leg 817 00:36:17,365 --> 00:36:19,217 and not through the head or the heart 818 00:36:19,303 --> 00:36:21,561 like you've been practicing your whole life to do? 819 00:36:21,943 --> 00:36:23,256 Yes. 820 00:36:26,537 --> 00:36:27,715 Thank you, Your Honor. 821 00:36:27,942 --> 00:36:29,380 No further questions. 822 00:36:29,466 --> 00:36:31,772 Let's take a 20-minute recess. 823 00:36:38,489 --> 00:36:40,058 Did you bring me in here to gloat? 824 00:36:40,143 --> 00:36:42,183 I brought you in here to see if we could cut a deal. 825 00:36:42,514 --> 00:36:43,756 A deal? 826 00:36:44,278 --> 00:36:45,756 Why would you want to make a deal? 827 00:36:45,842 --> 00:36:47,937 The jury is almost certainly going to vote 828 00:36:48,023 --> 00:36:49,632 to let the boy go free. 829 00:36:50,062 --> 00:36:52,331 Because I'm not necessarily convinced 830 00:36:52,416 --> 00:36:54,288 that that's the best thing for him. 831 00:36:56,687 --> 00:36:58,765 Seemed like you guys were talking for an hour. 832 00:36:58,851 --> 00:36:59,898 Where's he going? 833 00:36:59,984 --> 00:37:01,945 To tell the judge the good news. 834 00:37:02,108 --> 00:37:03,210 We're done. 835 00:37:03,296 --> 00:37:05,273 No more jail, no more court. 836 00:37:06,593 --> 00:37:07,977 Yvonne, 837 00:37:08,063 --> 00:37:11,570 the woman you stayed with for three weeks, has agreed 838 00:37:11,664 --> 00:37:14,242 to let you live with her and her family until you're 18. 839 00:37:14,426 --> 00:37:16,898 It's what we call "probation." 840 00:37:17,883 --> 00:37:19,711 It's kind of like a test 841 00:37:19,797 --> 00:37:22,328 to see if you can follow the rules, and... 842 00:37:23,074 --> 00:37:24,609 you don't have any problems. 843 00:37:24,695 --> 00:37:26,562 And the A.D.A. and I would also like you 844 00:37:26,648 --> 00:37:30,727 to see Dr. Statton once a week. 845 00:37:30,813 --> 00:37:32,203 You remember her from the hospital? 846 00:37:32,289 --> 00:37:33,596 She introduced us? 847 00:37:33,699 --> 00:37:35,172 She's a good doctor. 848 00:37:35,687 --> 00:37:37,492 A doctor for your feelings. 849 00:37:37,638 --> 00:37:39,305 Someone for you to talk to. 850 00:37:41,189 --> 00:37:42,335 Okay. 851 00:37:42,523 --> 00:37:43,727 That's it? 852 00:37:44,205 --> 00:37:45,643 It's a pretty terrific deal. 853 00:37:45,729 --> 00:37:46,781 Nice work. 854 00:37:46,867 --> 00:37:49,055 I didn't do it. Lucas did. 855 00:37:49,900 --> 00:37:52,039 He got on the stand and told the truth. 856 00:37:53,050 --> 00:37:54,555 But I can't go home? 857 00:37:56,393 --> 00:37:58,055 Not to your old home, no. 858 00:38:00,118 --> 00:38:01,828 It was never really yours. 859 00:38:02,003 --> 00:38:04,742 Your father was a squatter. 860 00:38:04,884 --> 00:38:07,078 A person who lives someplace, 861 00:38:07,361 --> 00:38:08,914 but doesn't really own it. 862 00:38:09,273 --> 00:38:11,062 That's why he was so protective of it. 863 00:38:11,181 --> 00:38:13,141 The guns, the alarms. 864 00:38:14,108 --> 00:38:16,203 He knew he wasn't supposed to be there. 865 00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:18,477 I'm sorry. 866 00:38:22,367 --> 00:38:23,844 The judge agreed. 867 00:38:28,582 --> 00:38:30,594 Does this mean I can go to school now? 868 00:38:31,037 --> 00:38:33,042 I'm sure we can figure something out. 869 00:38:33,819 --> 00:38:35,216 Learn to read? 870 00:38:35,352 --> 00:38:37,930 Oh, I'm sure whatever school you end up at, 871 00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:39,945 they'd love to help you with that. 872 00:38:40,142 --> 00:38:43,365 Hey, you ever been to a restaurant? 873 00:38:43,488 --> 00:38:44,710 What's that? 874 00:38:44,900 --> 00:38:48,645 Well, you ever been to a celebration? 875 00:38:48,862 --> 00:38:50,023 I-I don't know. 876 00:38:50,109 --> 00:38:52,078 What does one look like? 877 00:38:52,287 --> 00:38:54,828 Oh, you've got your whole life ahead of you. 878 00:38:55,174 --> 00:38:56,836 So much great stuff. 879 00:39:00,779 --> 00:39:02,781 Ask me about work today. 880 00:39:05,433 --> 00:39:06,867 Okay. 881 00:39:08,107 --> 00:39:09,641 How was work today? 882 00:39:09,754 --> 00:39:11,234 We've been working on this case. 883 00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:13,629 This kid... he's, like, 16. 884 00:39:13,732 --> 00:39:16,383 Completely lost the parent lottery. 885 00:39:16,890 --> 00:39:18,807 Up on murder charges. 886 00:39:18,916 --> 00:39:20,430 Mother's a junkie. 887 00:39:20,781 --> 00:39:22,359 Father was a delusional paranoid 888 00:39:22,445 --> 00:39:24,508 who thought the world was coming to an end. 889 00:39:25,569 --> 00:39:27,310 And your point? 890 00:39:28,132 --> 00:39:30,049 It scares me. 891 00:39:31,593 --> 00:39:34,023 His parents must have been in love once upon a time, 892 00:39:34,109 --> 00:39:36,155 or at the very least, in lust. 893 00:39:36,962 --> 00:39:40,375 This kid was... born a baby. 894 00:39:41,134 --> 00:39:43,867 A cute, beautiful baby. 895 00:39:45,709 --> 00:39:48,016 How did it all go so wrong? 896 00:39:49,124 --> 00:39:50,336 If God is so smart, 897 00:39:50,422 --> 00:39:53,961 why does he or she let people like that have children, 898 00:39:54,134 --> 00:39:55,914 let alone be attracted to each other? 899 00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:59,397 You are so much smarter than that question suggests. 900 00:39:59,775 --> 00:40:01,429 Maybe I'm not. 901 00:40:03,484 --> 00:40:06,305 Maybe I'm not really any of the things I like to think I am. 902 00:40:06,391 --> 00:40:08,258 I mean... 903 00:40:09,058 --> 00:40:10,906 look at my parents. 904 00:40:12,010 --> 00:40:13,820 Look at what happened to me. 905 00:40:16,569 --> 00:40:21,289 So this is how we're gonna make this momentous decision. 906 00:40:21,904 --> 00:40:25,633 In the middle of the night, half asleep. 907 00:40:27,201 --> 00:40:28,891 I don't know. 908 00:40:30,470 --> 00:40:32,289 Do you have an opinion? 909 00:40:33,985 --> 00:40:35,687 Actually, I do. 910 00:40:38,958 --> 00:40:42,758 I'm as frightened as you are... of failing. 911 00:40:43,148 --> 00:40:46,750 I'm... terrified 912 00:40:46,924 --> 00:40:50,297 at the prospect of letting another human being down. 913 00:40:52,090 --> 00:40:54,267 But there's also a part of me that thinks it would be scary 914 00:40:54,352 --> 00:40:56,963 and dangerous if I didn't have those fears. 915 00:40:59,317 --> 00:41:01,047 So what are you saying? 916 00:41:03,862 --> 00:41:06,195 I'm saying... 917 00:41:07,436 --> 00:41:10,787 your parents robbed you of so much. 918 00:41:11,659 --> 00:41:14,180 Don't let them rob you of this. 919 00:41:15,372 --> 00:41:17,039 This choice. 920 00:41:18,576 --> 00:41:21,781 If you don't want to have a baby, let's not. 921 00:41:22,325 --> 00:41:25,807 But if you're afraid of having a baby because of your parents... 922 00:41:28,032 --> 00:41:29,703 then I'm gonna force you to have a baby 923 00:41:29,789 --> 00:41:31,391 just to prove you wrong. 924 00:41:32,787 --> 00:41:35,139 You and what army? 925 00:41:35,724 --> 00:41:37,703 Mm. Come here. 926 00:41:39,588 --> 00:41:41,141 I want to start right now. 927 00:41:41,227 --> 00:41:44,070 You understand this is not how this works. 928 00:41:44,156 --> 00:41:46,117 We go to an office. 929 00:41:46,352 --> 00:41:47,609 We don't do it like this? 930 00:41:47,695 --> 00:41:48,977 Well, they show you porn. 931 00:41:49,063 --> 00:41:51,641 Porn? Really? 932 00:41:52,498 --> 00:41:53,977 Wow. 933 00:41:54,623 --> 00:41:56,891 The things we do for our kids. 934 00:41:56,977 --> 00:41:58,829 Captioned by Media Access Group at WGBH access.wgbh.org 935 00:41:58,914 --> 00:42:00,391 Sync corrections by srjanapala 68055

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