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When I remember things...

..it's not just some kind of
mathematical machine in my head.

It is contaminated
in terms of facts.

It's mixed with desires, with fears.

Memory is such a fickle thing.

Every Icelander
knows about this case.

It's the biggest criminal case
of the last century.

It was such torture,
because I was this guilty person...

..and I had never really connected
with the actual memory

of any of it happening.

When I was growing up in Reykjavik,
it was a small-town community.

It felt almost like one family
because everyone is related.

In '74, there were probably
220,000 people.

Iceland was a village,
and you still knew most everyone.

MUSIC PLAYS

We didn't have so much experience
of the outer world.

It was a safe community.

There was very little crime.

It was a state of innocence,
really.

And authorities
were something everybody trusted -

and newspapers, they don't lie -

and that's what people had here.

They trusted that everything was
the way it seemed.

It was a time here in Iceland
where there was a lot of changes,

and I remember my parents'
generation was quite nervous

of what on Earth was going on...

and I felt like I was with the crowd

that really had
an understanding of life.

Hippies didn't respect rules,
they didn't respect law.

People would be smoking hash
and discussing politics,

and I was soaking up
everything they said like a sponge.

At these parties where everybody's
passing the pipe, there he is -

and I was wondering,
"Who's this guy?"

And somebody said,
"That's Saevar Ciesielski."

Saevar had a foreign look,
most definitely.

He had this dark hair
and he had these Slavic eyes -

and the other thing about him
was he was so mysterious.

There was always this mythology
around Ciesielski.

The story was that he had this group
of thugs around him.

They came from broken homes,
they had left school early.

These kids were in trouble from,
basically, the day they were born.

LSD had entered the picture,
and on one of these occasions,

this party is going on and we're
just drinking Coke or something,

and then all of a sudden,

I start feeling like
I'm getting high

until I realised
I am actually high on LSD.

So I started looking for a corner,
somewhere where I could hide...

..and then I stumble on something,
and it's Saevar,

and then he tells me somebody
must have put LSD in my drink.

So we were just going to hang
on to each other through this.

We talked about our view of life,
innermost pain,

everything there was
to know about each other.

I felt like I had met one of the
most incredible human beings ever...

..and he felt the same way,
you know.

After that night, there was no other
way to go forward but together.

The weather changes very quickly
here in Iceland.

Sometimes you have a good sunny day
in the morning,

but at noon you have heavy snow.

Some people don't understand
how quickly the weather changes,

and get lost.

Gudmundur disappeared on
Saturday night, 27th of January...

..and on Tuesday, there was a big
call for rescue teams for a search.

There was about 200 people looking,
and we searched until dark.

At that time, there was no thought
about this was a crime,

or something like that, because in
those days it happened very often

that people got lost in the lava.

It was a nice summer.
Good weather for weeks on end.

My family was very upset about
my relationship with Saevar,

because they had been told
that he was, you know,

a dangerous guy
because he was selling drugs...

..and so I was out of my
relationship with my family

because of him,

and he did have a hold on me.

I felt privileged
to be considered OK by him.

Saevar had this desire
to commit some kind of a crime

that he would get away with

and leave authorities
just tearing their hair out

cos they couldn't prove anything.

As I was working
for the telephone company,

I came up with this embezzlement
that we eventually committed.

What we had to do was tamper with
the telephones

to make it sound like we were
calling long-distance.

I called the office where I worked
and I said, "I have a postal order,"

and so it gets processed,

and sent from there to the main
post office downtown...

..and then I go to the post office

and I tell them I'm here to pick up
the postal order.

I was so scared.

I felt like,
"I'm going to get caught."

The amount that we embezzled
was just under a million krona...

..and I became pretty confident
that they would never find out.

"Boy, are they going to be
pissed off!

"We got 'em!"

That whole chain of events

was so mysterious

that we immediately thought,

"This is a murder inquiry."

Witnesses remember that a man
came into the cafe

and he asked to use the phone.

This was about the same time as
Geirfinnur got his phone call.

PHONE RINGS

Hallo?

HE SPEAKS IN ICELANDIC

Ja?

He was a good man, had no enemies.

It was unlike him
to disappear like that.

There were searching teams all over.

The dogs, the divers in the harbour,
everything was done.

An artist in Keflavik came up with
an idea to make a clay statue

of the suspect, and the reaction was
overwhelming in the whole society.

No body was found,
so we were totally at a blank end.

Very early on,

I got the sense that something
going on here

that's not going to end well.

Ah... And it turned out,
didn't end well.

Our daughter was born here
in Reykjavik

on the 24th of September, 1975.

Saevar was present at the birth,
and very excited.

After she was born,

I had one focus in my life,

and that was to be a perfect mother
for this child.

I would sacrifice anything -

and I was really upset with
Saevar's way of life at that point.

I had told him,
"I don't want this any more.

"I just want to have a normal life
in the daylight, nothing to hide."

I was 20 years old,
and I was so naive.

Saevar and his friends
were known to the police.

They were part of some kind
of a criminal underworld.

Most of them had been in prison
for petty crime, thievery.

They were violent.

This was a nasty group of kids.

When they came to arrest me,

they surrounded this big building as
if they were arresting terrorists.

All I could do was call my sister.

So she came around
and took the baby.

I remember getting in a car.

Glimpses where I'm just
really scared...

and I remember trying to tell them

I can't be here for a long time,
because the baby needs me.

They took me to this prison...

..and then I was locked up
in this cell.

The next day, they spoke to me

and explained that I was now going
to be held in custody for 30 days

on suspicion of the embezzlement.

I just broke down and
couldn't handle that reality.

What about the baby?

And then they just sent me back
to my cell

and then left me there
for six days and nights.

During the questioning
about the embezzlement,

they told me that Saevar
had been very clear

that I had been entirely
on my own doing that,

and they told me,
"You need to realise that Saevar

"is a really rotten human being
to the core.

"There is no redemption for him."

I was really shocked

that Saevar would betray me
that way,

but he had betrayed me
in terms of other girls,

so it was easier
for me to believe them.

Eventually, I decided to tell them
everything,

not just the embezzlement,

but anything illegal
that I was aware of.

And what a relief!

It was the end of an era
and a beginning of a life.

These guys had actually helped me.

And then one of them says,
"Oh, by the way,

"one other thing we want to ask you.

"Do you know a guy by the name of
Gudmundur Einarsson?"

And then he shows me a photograph.

I said, "Yeah, I've seen this guy.

"Years ago at my girlfriend's house,
she had a school party.

"I remember him because
he was a really nice guy" -

and that was it.

"Are you sure?"

"Yeah. Yeah. I don't remember
ever seeing him after that."

THEY SPEAK IN ICELANDIC

During that case, I think it was
Erla who started to tell them

about things that had happened
the year before.

This was a long questioning.

It was hours -

and during that whole process
they got closer and closer

to talking about the weekend
when this boy disappeared.

Somehow it got down to me telling
them that I had had a nightmare.

The weather that night was crazy.

It would just howl like a wolf.

In an old house like that,
you feel like the house is moving.

Then I hear some whispering.

There were people
outside my window...

..and these were violent people..

and I became aware
that they're whispering,

wondering if I'm awake or not.

I feel like I'm in this corner -
I can't go anywhere...

..and then I wake up.

After all this questioning,

the chief of the investigation
leans over and he says,

"Something terrible happened
that night in that apartment,

"you witnessed it,

"and you cannot recall
because of the trauma it caused you.

"So what we want to do now
is you go back to your cell

"and you try as much
as you can to remember,

"and then we will be back
and talk about it some more."

I remember lying there
thinking about that night.

My head was full of pictures...

..and I wondered,

"Was that nightmare maybe something
that really did happen?"

That I woke up...

..got out of bed...

..and saw them.

I saw Saevar and Kristjan and a
third person I didn't recognise,

carrying something heavy.

I didn't see what was in the sheet,
but I was sure that it was a body.

I couldn't move.

I was cold, but at the same time
I felt like I was sweating.

Later, Saevar took me
by the arms and put me to bed.

I said I was going
to deny everything.

Gudmundur disappears in January '74,

and she made this confession
December '75.

So it's already two years.

We searched the flat but there was
not much evidence on the scene.

No DNA, nothing of the sort.

PHONE RINGS

Hallo?

After I was released,
they called me and they tell me,

"We have questioned Saevar..."

Hm.

"..and we just want to let you know

"that his testimony is in line
with yours in detail."

December 22, 1975.

Saevar said that Gudmundur,
Kristjan and Tryggvi

had all come to the apartment during
the night in late January 1974.

An argument had ended in
Gudmundur's death.

Saevar had called his friend Albert

and asked him to come
in his father's car.

It was half past 11 in the evening.

Kristjan called and he said,
"They are accusing me of murder."

Kristjan then met the other guys,
and something had happened.

I can't clearly remember
the events of that night...

..I was under the influence
of alcohol...

but all I'm going to tell you,
I think I remember with certainty.

There was a fight in the apartment,
and I'm sure I took no part in it.

There was some disagreement,

I'm sure between Kristjan
and the man with no name.

It started by them cursing
each other, but ended in a fight.

Then the man hit me and I think I
hit him, and he fell to the floor.

Then I saw Saevar
kick him in the head.

The next thing I remember is that
Albert's car was at the house.

Saevar, Kristjan and Tryggvi
approached the vehicle.

I saw that all three carried
something that look like a bag.

Saevar told me where to drive.

On the way back, Saevar and I
discussed what was in the bag.

Saevar then clearly told me
that it contained a corpse.

The police had told me
that when they were trying

to figure out what had been done
with the body,

they had to cut it all up
into pieces

and carry it out in plastic bags.

My mind was getting really worked,

and it felt to me like all this had

been going on with me
completely unaware,

and that these guys
had been butchers of people.

I was picturing him
when he's holding the baby...

The smile was just an act, or...

Everything.

Everything becomes questionable.

The next thing that happened
is in early 1976.

Police is still investigating
Saevar and Erla about Gudmundur.

They mention also Geirfinnur.

The police always stayed
in touch with me...

..and with my social situation
where I was so isolated,

these were the only friends
in the world that I had,

and they became
very important to me...

and at some point,

the talk starts getting to
the disappearance of Geirfinnur...

..and he asked me point blank,

"Do you think that Saevar
knows something

"about what happened to him?"

The thing about Geirfinnur
was that he was never found,

so it was suspicious from the start.

Then they started some rumours
and some conspiracy theories.

There was all these rumours going on

that there might have been
connection

between the disappearance
of Geirfinnur

and people running
a particular discotheque.

There was always a lot of
smuggled alcohol around then.

The rumour was
that some of the clubs

would get their alcohol
from that source...

..so, maybe this guy Geirfinnur
got caught up in smuggling.

We drove from the city
and headed to Keflavik.

Saevar held my hand the whole time,
like he didn't want to let go.

The car stopped close to the sea.

Basically, Geirfinnur had been hired
to pick up big plastic containers

of alcohol that were being
smuggled into the country...

..and then there had been a quarrel,

and he had died
because of all of that.

For the village of Iceland,

this was - you know,
this was shocking.

It was the biggest story to hit
the population for years and years.

The perception was that this was
organised crime

tied in with people
in the highest places.

The gossip was that
the Progressive Party

had been involved
in all the smuggling.

And the chairman of the Progressive
Party was the Minister of Justice,

so this was a big scandal.

It was really the beginning of...

I would call it public hysteria.

We had a killer gang amongst us,
two times murderers.

Where was the police?

How could this have happened?

And of course in this little
close-knit community,

everyone was talking about this.

What's really going on
in this kind of society?

In a way, we lost our innocence,
we lost our security -

and all of a sudden the big bad
world was knocking at our door.

Then in early May '76, all of the
sudden these four men are released.

Turns out that the investigation
produced nothing.

Saevar and the gang,
they made up this story.

It took the police three months
to figure out that this was..

..all the time was a total lie.

During the summer of 1976,

I was a detective with that same
force investigating these two cases.

What I saw is that the police
were under incredible pressure

to solve these cases.

The atmosphere was tense,
like a panic.

The message that was
being communicated

was all of these people,

they're playing games,
they're not cooperating.

The police was in
a very, very bad situation.

Even after they have confessed
killing Geirfinnur,

they are still changing their story
about how he died...

..and the police
didn't have the bodies.

They had only the statements
from these people.

HE SHOUTS IN ICELANDIC

Saevar put the rifle in my hands
and stood next to me.

I was so close to the guy
that I could see his face.

He seemed to realise
what was happening to him,

and there was panic in his eyes.

The investigation had been going on
for a long time.

It didn't seem to be going
very well.

The police had not experienced
a case like that.

I mean, two murders.

The public was demanding

that the police would come up
with a solution.

Find the guilty persons.

The minister of justice
is getting anxious.

He's responsible
for the whole thing,

so he uses his influence, and soon
after, this guy Schutz shows up.

He was head of the West German
security police.

We thought, "Well, this seems to be,
you know, the real McCoy."

Karl Schutz sets up a task force
of seven police officers,

and there were three interpreters,
and the investigating judge -

and he was quite a hard task master.

The focus was very much,
"We've got to find the bodies."

There were an enormous amount
of searches

for Gudmundur and Geirfinnur's
bodies.

Karl Schutz spent months
studying the case

and trying to understand it...

..and he was also interviewing
the suspects through an interpreter.

The focus was on who was the driver

who took the gang
to meet Geirfinnur.

They had to find somebody
who could have driven the car,

and somebody they all knew,

and there was I.

Gudjon was different to the others.

He was older.

He was a much more educated man
and he came from a good background,

and he said he had been there.

It was a confession that was used
to convict the others.

The three of us
fought with Geirfinnur

and that resulted in his death.

I don't remember the body
being put in the car,

but on the way back to Reykjavik,

I remember Saevar saying that I was
an accomplice to murder.

We transferred the body
to Reykjavik -

of course took it in other cars

so it would never be found.

Erla waited while we carried
the body into the Land Rover

and put him in the back.

We then drove all the way
to Raudholar.

We dug a hole into the red gravel
just big enough to fit the body.

State radio calls up the Prime
Minister to get his reaction.

He says the nightmare is over.

The public just wanted our blood.

There was so much pressure
on authorities to convict all of us

and get us really good,

and there was no-one that actually
did not believe all this.

Now the accused had the opportunity
to present their cases,

and they did. What they said
was that they were innocent.

There was a lack of evidence,

there were no bodies,

and the whole case was nonsense -

but even though they were
withdrawing their testimonies,

people believed they had killed
those two men, end of story.

I was found guilty of the
embezzlement, of course,

and perjury, that I had
intentionally framed innocent people

for something they didn't do.

In the end, the police arrested
the right people in both cases.

It was always with the feeling

that he was some sort of a
Satanic criminal,

and I was supposed to have been

this submissive but
monstrous person, as well.

The image that we were given

was very much like Charles Manson
and his girlfriend.

The Minister of Justice
thanks Karl Schutz

"for unburdening the Icelandic
nation of a nightmare."

Obviously, the Minister of Justice
was assuming, case solved.

What he didn't say - "This is the
beginning of an endless nightmare,

"and this nightmare
is still going to this day."

I don't think I had a clear thought
for years through all this.

I felt like I was drowning in so
much confusion and so much guilt.

Your thoughts can take over,
and your mind becomes a monster.

"What of this am I remembering...

"..and what is missing
that I'm not remembering?"

Memory is such a fickle thing.

The day I got out,

all I could think was,
"My daughter's on the other side."

Man, I had prepared for days,
you know, to look right,

and, you know,
have the right things to say...

..and she had this bouquet
of flowers, and...

..it was the happiest day ever.

When I was released,
I was basically two things -

I provoked curiosity,
and I was despised...

..and people felt free
to express it,

like spitting in my face.

The first time Saevar and I ever
talked about what had happened...

..it was literally
that kind of moment, like,

"What the hell happened to us?"

You know, "What was it all about?"

He went through years of anger...

blaming me for everything...

..and I went through
incredible guilt

for having testified against him.

There were so many years
where we just couldn't...

connect, and it had so much
to do with, you know...

Our relationship had been invaded
by such dark powers.

It was very difficult to be Saevar
Ciesielski here in Iceland,

in this small society.

He somehow became the evil

for, like, I don't know,
90% of the Icelanders.

Just evil incarnate.

When Saevar came out of prison,

he met a girl,
and they lived together,

and they had two children,

and they even moved to America.

We tried to move to Colorado,
and just start a new, you know,

family there,
away from all this drama,

but he really could not let it go.

He wanted to clear his name.

We decided to go back to Iceland.

Then he started to...

..you know, really try to fight
this case.

I collected the information
of documents,

trying to understand
what had happened,

the evidence of the case itself.

I saw the flaws.

They were so obvious.

Usually, in murder cases,

you have the place where
the crime was committed,

you have bodies, you have motives.

They had no such
traditional evidence at all.

They only had the statements
made by the accused themselves.

My legal arguments
were quite tight...

..and the facts were all in favour
of reopening the case.

I presented all this
to the Supreme Court.

APPLAUSE

He had a lot of support already
at that time.

People were obviously not believing

in the correctness of the
conclusions of the courts.

I saw a lot of Saevar
after he lost his battle.

He had put his entire existence
into this,

and, you know,
where was he going to go from there?

I mean, in his world,
there were no options.

I always knew there was something
really dark and bad

that happened to my father.

Years and years of trying to fight
the system,

and that, in the end,
just tore him apart completely.

Many people knew Saevar
only from the streets.

He was a heavy drinker,
a broken man.

He was a famous man by that time,

and people were kind of mellowing
towards him.

He still had this charm.

He might be drunk and drugged,

but he always, or usually,
kept his charm.

But of course,
it was very, very sad.

He was really emotional in the end
about this whole thing,

and it was pretty hard
to watch that happen,

you know, in slow motion
in front of you.

Everybody had followed
Saevar's journey...

..because he fought many battles
to prove his innocence,

with no results.

His funeral was held
at the cathedral downtown,

and it was totally packed,

from the street people
to politicians.

When he died, it hit the news.

His relatives, Erla,
and his children,

came forward and talked about this
case, talked about his battles,

and pushed that this case should be
reopened and reinvestigated.

That's when I thought maybe
I should do something about it.

As a reporter,
when you look at this case,

you're warned that you might
be stepping into a black hole -

and once you look into it,
you just can't stop.

I had filmed a couple of interviews
with people related to this case,

and then I decided to speak
to Tryggvi's widow.

My mum called me and said that there
was this woman from the news

coming to interview her
regarding my dad's case,

and asked if I wanted to
come and be with them.

There was something in my mind
that said that this could be useful,

because I didn't want my dad
to be remembered as a murderer.

When we arrived, his daughter
was there, Kristin,

and she said, "I have something
you might be interested in.

"I have my father's diaries
from when he was in prison."

I just wanted her to see them,

and I didn't think it would have
any more meaning than that.

I just wanted her to see something
from my dad.

A piece of him.

When she showed me the diaries,
there was a long title.

It read,

"This is the diary
of an innocent man

"who is accused of a very serious
thing in a very serious case."

"April 25th, 1977.

"So, now, I have been here
continuously for 16 months

"and 11 days in custody,

"including 14 months in isolation,
totally alone.

"I shall hold fast.

"I don't have to be afraid,

"as I'm innocent, and justice
always prevails in the end."

I realised at that point...

..we had something new.

We had something to report on.

So, I thought we would have to get
a specialist's opinion.

Gisli Gudjonsson is a world-leading
expert on false confessions.

An Icelander who has practised
in the UK for 40 years.

I was thinking, the diaries,
they need to go to Gisli.

He is the person.

If anybody should see them,
it's got to be him...

..but I was so nervous.

I was afraid that Gisli would say
that...

..even though he wrote that he was
an innocent man, maybe he wasn't.

I could not say from
reading the diaries,

this man is innocent or not,
because it's not for me to say -

but he was stating his innocence
and explaining why,

and that suggested
that this was new material,

and I thought the case
should be reviewed again.

The key implication was that perhaps
the confessions were not reliable.

I was so relieved.

That was the biggest scoop.

My story was broadcast,
and it got massive attention -

and I think in the same week,

the ministry announced that
the investigation committee

would be established.

I decided to put down a commission

to look into the investigation,
and the methods used

in the investigation,

and how these confessions
were obtained.

We went through thousands of pages.

Police reports,
handwritten notes from the police,

reports taken from prison guards.

It was quite obvious when we looked
into the prison diaries

that many records were missing.

The convicted had a lack of access
to their attorneys,

and they were interrogated many,
many times more often

than the police reports indicated.

Saevar, for example -

he had been interrogated 180 times
for 340 hours.

He had been in solitary
for 615 days.

Erla was interrogated 105 times.

Tryggvi was kept in solitary
for the longest -

for 655 days total.

It became very clear to us that many
things were going seriously wrong

under the investigation.

The key findings of the commission

were that these confessions

were in all likelihood fabricated.

People had been admitting
to something they didn't do.

I have never worked on a case,
anywhere in the world,

where there'd been so many
interrogations,

and such lengthy interrogations.

This is quite exceptional.

This is the only case I know of
where so many individuals

have had their memories distorted
to this extent.

Five of the six had what I call
a memory distrust syndrome.

The person begins to think,

"Maybe something did happen,
and I didn't remember it."

When I read the report,

I was really faced with how
incredibly unreliable memory is.

"What of this am I remembering..."

"..and what is missing
that I'm not remembering?

This whole thing
starts with a confession...

..where Erla was under
no pressure at all.

It's she that tells them
that they were involved

in the killing of Gudmundur.

The police had been explaining

that often when people
experience something

that is too much for them to handle,

they bury it somewhere,
and they cannot recall it...

and they said,

"We know how to help you remember if
you did witness something terrible."

They formed a crack in my mind...

..and then they just got in there,
and worked on it...

..and that was my horror -

to face the possibility

that Saevar would have resorted
to cutting up a human being.

Through all this exchange,
this story came out.

Almost like a genie, you know,
or something -

and for a long time, I asked myself,
"Who made that story?"

Did I make it, or...?
How did that, you know, transpire?

At the time that Erla
was questioned...

..in the Gudmundur case,
she was a very vulnerable person.

It is likely that
the police officers

had, in their own mind, a scenario

of what had happened
to Gudmundur Einarsson,

and over time,

Erla began to believe that maybe
Saevar and his friends

HAD been involved.

Once she began to express doubt
in her own memory,

the police went for it.

DOORBELL RINGS

Now, the police
were going to come after me

about what happened to Geirfinnur.

In one version, Saevar had hit him
with a wooden log,

another time, he had kicked him
in the head,

and Kristjan had done it,
and it was all over the place...

..and then they had a warrant
for my arrest.

At that point, I felt so guilty...

..and I was so responsible for
ruining so many people's lives...

..that...it was not too much
for me to take it on me.

GUNSHOT

The police were faced
with a huge dilemma.

They had confessions,
but they had no substance.

There was nothing tangible that came
out of those interrogations...

..and the country wanted an answer.

What happened to
Geirfinnur Einarsson?

To come to Sidumuli Prison,

when the cases of Gudmundur
and Geirfinnur started...

it was another world.

The atmosphere in Sidumuli

was very intense.

The attitude amongst the guards
and the policemen

was that these people
were murderers.

The more pressure,
the sooner they would confess.

The guards despised Saevar.

They called him "the rat."

The one thing to break him down
was to rid him of sleep.

There was a light, day and night,
24 hours,

and during the night,

they would knock on the wall
where he was inside.

That was to keep him awake.

WATER RUNS

Saevar was afraid of water.

They took him, and immersed
his head into the water...

..and said they would drown him
if he didn't confess.

Those guards who did it, they
enjoyed it and were proud of it,

and laughed about it,
of "drowning the rat."

This was a heavy-handed
investigation.

This was heavy.

Albert Klahn went berserk in custody
after a few days.

Tryggvi Runar had to be,
after four nights of sleeplessness,

sedated by an injection.

Kristjan Vidar tried
to kill himself twice.

It's breaking down that core -
your capacity to really say,

"I know that did not happen."

Once that's broken down,
you are very vulnerable.

"There was nothing but waiting.

"Waiting for the next interrogation,
wondering what I would say.

"In the cell,
I could do nothing but think.

"I grew into the walls.

"I could not feel my body -
I was just head."

There is a picture which really was
accepted by the court,

where Kristjan Vidar
is kind of enacting

what happened to Geirfinnur.

Here is what happened -
there's a photograph of it,

exactly how it took place.

Once you have enacted something,
you're showing how you did it,

it may have a damaging effect

in the sense that it may
reinforce that memory.

You begin to think it did actually
happen like that.

HE SPEAKS IN ICELANDIC

It was four times a day that they
brought pills that I had to take,

and all of them had
one thing in common,

and that was,
they were tranquillising.

I wasn't allowed to go outside.

It was complete isolation.

Very soon, you shrink down
to this helpless baby.

Your mentality and your
intelligence...

everything just shrinks,

and you're in this abstract world.

You know, I really
just...needed to die...

but this one...

one tie, with the baby...

was the thing that didn't
allow me to do that.

When I thought about her...

I couldn't picture her.

I couldn't see her face...

and then I knew I was going crazy,

and I even wondered,
"Did I ever even have a baby?

"Is that also my imagination?

"Because I could swear
that I feel that I do...

"but no picture is coming."

The criminal police told her
that in order to get out,

she had to tell everything,

and therefore,
she told and told and told -

much too much.

This case is probably the first one
that the police feels pressure

from the press and from the public.

They had this fact that these people
were missing, they had...

confessions, if you like,

from some of the people that
had been involved in killing them...

..but they always were changing
the stories of who did what.

HE SPEAKS IN GERMAN

Karl Schutz is brought in
by the Minister of Justice

to harmonise the confessions,

and to make them credible
in terms of the court of law.

He is very much in charge,
driving the investigation.

Everything was focused on
proving that they were guilty.

Karl Schutz
taught the Icelandic detectives

a new way of interrogating.

Basically, it involved
coming at suspects

from many different directions.

They would jump
from one time to another

to trick them into
revealing the truth.

The police suggest things -

"Could it have been this way,
could it have been that way?"

and the person persuades himself
perhaps he was present,

and begins to believe it.

When Gudjon Skarphedinsson
was arrested,

his statements...

..were very important
in closing up the case.

It's the same...

..routine, again and again.

Did we bury him somewhere
or throw him in the ocean?

Where was the car?

Who else was involved?

What was it all about?

You get tired,

and you don't know whether you're
dreaming or remembering things.

I got completely confused.

It came like clips from a movie
into your mind.

In the end, you feel
you have been there...

..that this has really happened.

You wonder, "What else has happened
that I don't remember?"

You can't trust your own mind.

It's sort of like somebody
pulls the carpet from underneath,

and you're standing in thin air,

and you don't know
where the ground is.

From the beginning,
there was presumption of guilt.

Nobody seemed to consider
the possibility

that these people might be innocent,

and that they did not know
what had happened

to Gudmundur and Geirfinnur.

Once the confession is taken,
once it's in the air,

it corrupts everything else.

My feeling is that the police
was under that much pressure

that once they were on this journey,
and went down that track...

..there was no turning back.

The rumour here in Iceland

is that it's all a conspiracy
by the police -

I'm telling you it's not.

These were honest guys
trying to do their best,

and they did the right thing.

In the end,
it's the prosecution system

that has to decide what to do

with the result
of a police investigation.

I think we are learning
from this case.

We're looking into a mirror.

When there's been a miscarriage
of justice, lives are destroyed.

It's terribly important
that the truth emerges,

and that we correct the injustices
that have been done.

This was a witch hunt
that did much harm.

I remember saying to myself,

"How did it come about that I was
caught up in this public hysteria?"

And it brought out...

bad things in people, you know?

And that's what we're still
recovering from.

It's still difficult for me
to see those pictures.

It's just so painful
to see this child,

because I'm connecting
to what she went through -

but it still isn't really me.

It's always somebody else.

And...it leaves you pretty crazy,
you know?