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Kim Gandy: It happens every day
in the United States.
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Hundreds,
even thousands of women
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who are tortured and beaten
and treated in ways
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that would be unthinkable
to any human.
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Jane Pauley: What happened in
the case of your first husband?
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When I came to,
I was in the hospital,
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and the police asked me
if I wanted to press charges,
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and I told them yes.
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And they had asked me
if I had any witnesses.
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Pauley: And you'd been beaten
by a tire iron
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and--and woke up
in the hospital,
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and yet they still
needed some corroboration?
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Right.
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Gandy: The Bobbitt case
came at a time
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when the criminal
justice system
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didn't take domestic violence
and sexual assault seriously,
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and there simply
was not a real national dialogue
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about domestic violence.
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Woman: How many more men are
gonna go out there raping women?
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When is domestic violence
gonna end?
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When is our system
gonna explore the issue
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and do something about it
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so women do not have to be
pushed to the extreme
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of taking matters
into their own hand?
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This is not
just about Lorena Bobbitt.
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What affects one
affects us all.
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Gandy: Many of us saw this case
as an opportunity
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to bring domestic violence
into the public eye.
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And I know
that there were a lot of women
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who were
holding their breath for her,
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who saw themselves
in her plight,
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who thought, "If I did
something to extricate myself
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from this situation,
what would happen to me?
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Would there be mercy?"
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David Kaplan:
David Kaplan.
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Man: I have to ask you,
as the justice editor,
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what you think
of the trial itself.
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Kaplan:
This isn't that complicated.
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She admits what she did.
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She says she had
a good excuse for it.
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She was a very good witness
in trying to explain it.
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It's now up to the jury.
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Bailiff:
Remain seated. Come to order. This court's in session.
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Judge:
Counsel, the jury has indicated
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they do have a verdict
at this time.
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I'll ask the bailiff
to please bring the jury down.
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Lorena: My life was
in the hands of jurors.
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They're the ones
who are gonna decide
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whether you're
going to jail or not,
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whether you're
going to be free or not.
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Woman:
Will the defendant please stand?
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In the case
of Commonwealth of Virginia
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versus Lorena Leonor Bobbitt,
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criminal number 33821,
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we the jury find the defendant
Lorena Leonor Bobbitt
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- not guilty...
- [woman screams]
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...of malicious wounding
as charged in the indictment
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by reason of insanity--
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signed, Clay S. Cocalis,
foreperson.
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[crowd cheering]
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[weeping]
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[indistinct]
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Lorena: When she read
the verdict "not guilty,"
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I felt like, "Oh, my God.
This is gonna be good."
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[cheering continues]
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Cocalis: So, it was
11 to 1 at one point
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where I was
the only holdout.
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Most of the jurors, whether
they would admit to it or not,
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might have thought
that Lorena was guilty,
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but they didn't
want to see her punished
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because of--of the way
her husband John
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had treated her
in the past.
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Judge: Does either counsel
wish for the jury to be...
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Cocalis: They felt that
he got what he deserved,
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but ultimately, I kind of just
acquiesced and said, "Okay."
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Judge: The jury
in this particular case
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found her not guilty
by reason of insanity,
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and pursuant to 19.2-182.2 where
a jury makes such a finding,
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it does set forth and says
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that the court shall
place the person so acquitted
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in the temporary custody
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of the commissioner of mental
health and mental retardation
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and this court will do that.
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If Your Honor please, we would
ask that Your Honor set...
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I didn't understand.
Something is wrong.
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I mean,
she just read the verdict
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saying that I'm not guilty.
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Judge: Ms. Bobbitt,
I remand your custody
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over to the bailiff,
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so there can be
appropriate transportation
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to the commissioner
of mental health.
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Lorena: And then, two
police officers took me away.
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[indistinct chatter]
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Lorena: Just couldn't
understand what's going on.
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We had discussed
the--the possible verdicts
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in this case,
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and she fully understood
that in the event
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of a "not guilty
by reason of insanity,"
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that by statute,
uh, there's a mandate.
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There was confusion
in her mind.
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It wasn't "not guilty"
and that's--that's it.
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But she was charged
with malicious wounding,
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and she could've gotten a very,
very long prison sentence,
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and it is, uh,
in Virginia recognized,
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if you're found, uh,
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not guilty by reason
of irresistible impulse,
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then--then you're not
criminally responsible.
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[crowd chanting]
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Female reporter: Acquittal
by reason of temporary insanity
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does not mean Lorena Bobbitt
is a free woman.
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Virginia law requires she be
sent to a state mental hospital
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to undergo evaluation.
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He should be the one who be
in jail, not me.
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Male announcer:
The verdict is in in Manassas,
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but the case isn't closed.
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Bobbitt's argument,
sad and violent as it was,
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certainly made
for provocative TV,
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but will it make a difference?
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Man: If she didn't do it,
who did it?
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I don't think
it was self-inflicted.
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I think it's crazy.
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She deserves everything good
that she has coming.
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Should get some help...
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so she doesn't react that way
next time.
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Woman:
Because her husband got off
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and I think
he was just as guilty.
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And if they let him off,
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they should've left--
let her off too.
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Larry King: Because this debate
rages tonight
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in offices and bars
and restaurants everywhere,
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we give you Patricia Ireland,
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president of the National
Organization for Women,
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and Sidney Siller,
founder and president--
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National Organization for Men.
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Is this a feminist issue?
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Well, certainly, violence
against women or spousal abuse
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is a feminist issue.
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It's why we think this case
really underscores
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the need for Congress,
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when it comes back
into session next week,
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to get about the business
of passing
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a comprehensive Violence
Against Women Act.
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All right, Sidney, what was it
to you and your organization?
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I think it's justice
run amok.
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I think it was a barbaric,
Neanderthal, uh, act
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that, uh,
Lorena Bobbitt committed.
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She should've been found guilty,
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and I think it's a travesty
and miscarriage of justice.
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- The--
- In other words,
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"You can't retaliate
if you're abused."
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You can only retaliate
with equal force to resist.
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You cannot use
excessive force.
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That's the common law
and generally accepted theories
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- of self-defense.
- King: I see.
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Nobody was more upset
than the Bobbitt family itself.
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Is there any possibility
in your mind--
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Bill, I know this is hard,
it's your son--
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that they both were wrong?
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To a degree,
but I don't believe
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that John raped her
or beat her.
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What do you do now, Bill?
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What's John gonna do?
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We're hoping that John's gonna
have the opportunity
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to go out and be able
to tell people his side.
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Uh, somebody said, "Well,
John's not a rocket scientist."
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Well, he's not,
but he's honest.
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and if they'd listen to him,
that usually comes across.
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John Bobbitt: Devastating for me
and everybody that watched.
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Ev-everybody's, like, shocked.
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It--it's bad.
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I mean, lost a loved one
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and the person
who did it got away.
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And, you know,
you want to seek revenge.
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You didn't get justice,
but there's gotta be a way.
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Man: I'm afraid I'm gonna
have to ask all of you to leave
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'cause you're interfering
with the conduction of business
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in this restaurant.
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So would you please
take your cameras outside?
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Thank you.
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Lorena: When I was driving
to Central State Hospital,
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I was thinking,
"There's gonna be
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all kind
of crazy people there."
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You know, whatever I see
in a movie or something.
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I didn't know what to expect.
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Evan Nelson: In Virginia,
if someone's found
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not guilty
by reason of insanity,
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folks get committed
to the psychiatric hospital
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at the maximum security
forensic unit
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at Central State Hospital
for 45 days.
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It's an old-time
psychiatric hospital
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with lots of security so that
it feels sort of like a jail
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with a hospital mission.
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And during that 45 days,
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two docs
are going to evaluate them--
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one psychiatrist
and one psychologist.
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Lorena: When we got there,
when they opened the door,
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it was all eyes on me.
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They knew who I was.
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Female reporter: The verdict
meant the jury bought
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the defense's contention
that Lorena Bobbitt suffered
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so much abuse at the hands
of her husband John...
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Lorena: I felt
like I was falling apart.
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It's just the unknown part
that I fear the most.
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Nelson: We had a problem
with a helicopter making a flyby
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over the outside
recreation area
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clearly shooting an aerial shot
of Lorena Bobbitt
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outside having recreation time.
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Some high-profile
TV personalities
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who wanted to speak with her
tried to send her flowers
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to the hospital.
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It was really disruptive
to the rest of the hospital
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to have this case that the media
still wouldn't let up on.
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Alan Hauge: The head
of the mental institution,
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called me on the phone,
and they said,
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"I have
Barbara Walters outside
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who is absolutely
demanding an interview,"
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with a huge ABC crew.
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And they're getting--they got
the satellite dish up,
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and they--they're
getting ready to do
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a, uh--a transmission.
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Barbara said,
"I interview kings.
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"I interview presidents.
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And you're not gonna tell me
I can't talk to Lorena Bobbitt."
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Uh, the woman says,
"What do you want me to do?"
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I said,
"What does Lorena say?"
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"Lorena said
she doesn't want to do it."
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"So you go out and tell Barbara
that this is an interview
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"she's not gonna get.
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So you go back and tell her that
and give her my phone number."
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[phone ringing]
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Barbara was on hold for an hour,
and I didn't pick it up,
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and the light
finally went out.
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Four weeks later, she said,
"Why didn't you choose me?"
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I said, "You're part
of the Illuminati.
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"You're part
of the Trilateral Commission.
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"You're part
of the feminist movement.
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"Those are all things
I don't want Lorena
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"to have anything to do with.
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I just want her to be able
to tell the story."
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♪♪♪
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Gandy: One of the National
Organization for Women's
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priorities was eliminating
violence against women.
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We sent out press release
after press release
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thinking that there
were gonna be reporters
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who want to talk
about this issue,
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who want to understand
domestic violence,
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and understand
what might have driven a victim
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to do what she did.
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But the public
was so entranced by the act
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that they just couldn't
really focus on anything else.
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Man: How much, uh,
of his penis was cut off?
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Melissa Jeltsen: The huge,
national and international
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media presence
that descended for these cases
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really obscured
the true story,
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which was Lorena Bobbitt's
own victimization.
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Geraldo Rivera:
One angry Virginia housewife
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cut off her husband's penis.
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Hugh Downs: What kind
of a woman could strike out
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in such a shocking way?
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The pain was going
through my mind for Christ sakes
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for this poor guy.
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Woman: Then she drove away
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and threw the penis
into a field.
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No excuse for that.
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Male reporter:
Lorena Bobbitt was portrayed
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by prosecution witnesses
as a vicious woman
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who physically
attacked her husband.
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Jeltsen:
Doing research for my story,
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what I noticed is this
portrayal of Lorena Bobbitt
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as a vengeful, crazy woman
who just snapped for no reason,
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and that really missed
the context of her story,
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uh, and did a disservice
to domestic violence victims
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across the country.
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No woman should be
treated like this--
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like I was.
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Gandy: I think that
domestic violence wasn't covered
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because the editors were men.
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There are a lot
of women reporters
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that tried to write stories,
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and they would say, you know,
"I tried to write this,
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and my editor said,
"Oh. Nobody cares about that."
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That was
a pretty common response.
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♪♪♪
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When she did it, uh,
I was sleeping.
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- I was laying down...
- Man: Yeah.
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...flat on my back, you know,
I was--you know, just exhausted.
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- I was in a deep sleep.
- Man: Right.
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- And, um--
- Man: And you wake up...
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I felt a pull, and then,
just a jerk, and, you know...
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♪♪♪
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America's most controversial
performer in his first-ever
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gay nightclub appearance.
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Ladies and gentlemen--
and everybody else,
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Mr. John Wayne Bobbitt!
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Come on,
let's hear it for him!
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[cheering]
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All right.
They want me to strip.
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You guys want
to see me strip--
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[cheering and booing]
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Tonight John will be judging
the Lorena look-alike contest
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featuring transvestites.
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[cheers and applause]
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Jack Gordon:
John will strip.
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John will sell his underpants
to the highest bidder.
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Male announcer: Just $100
for set of one, guys.
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John, if your mother
could see you now.
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One, two...
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[cheering]
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Drag performer: Oh, come on!
Let's hear it, everybody!
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I think the Bobbitt industry
is worth, conservatively,
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$10 million.
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[camera clicks]
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John: This is just, you know,
something to show everybody
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that, uh, I'm--I'm healed
and fully functional.
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I still can have sex and, um,
it doesn't leak, you know.
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Man: What--what's the storyline
of this thing?
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John: Just basing it
on my whole life.
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Really? Who's that?
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Aaron Gordon:
We know that when people
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plop that video into their
video cassette machine,
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they're gonna
hit the fast forward button,
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and they're going
right to the first time
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they see John's penis.
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People that normally don't watch
adult movies still wanna see
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what John Wayne Bobbitt's
penis looks like.
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We feel like this film
is just gonna be a blockbuster.
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So why not give it a traditional
Hollywood screening?
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James Sehn: I was happy
to see the porn film--
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eventually to see
my handiwork was working well.
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That's all I really cared about.
[chuckles]
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Howard Stern:
You didn't get a million bucks.
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- John: No.
- Stern: And then they say
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you get a percentage.
- Percentage, definitely--
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Stern: But you know,
the porno industry,
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and I'm not saying this about
anybody in your video...
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Robin Quivers: How you gonna
tell how many videos are sold?
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- Stern: Yeah--
- Well, it's over--I don't know,
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I have no idea.
- Where do the profits go?
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Does it go into a, uh--
- Quivers: An escrow?
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Stern: An escrow account?
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Yeah, it goes
into an escrow account--
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in Jack Gordon's account.
- Stern: Oh, it does?
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Stern and Quivers:
Oh, Jack Gordon's...
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- Quivers: ...escrow.
- Stern: Really. Oh.
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I didn't know it was going
into Jack Gordon's account.
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Well, then you have
nothing to worry about.
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I mean, you've got Honest Jack
on your side,
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so there's no problem there.
- Quivers: No, not a problem.
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Stern: That's right.
And you are his manager?
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You are Jack Gordon's son?
- Yeah, that's me.
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This thing's like
the fourth biggest-grossing
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adult film already.
- Quivers: Really?
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- Is that right?
- Aaron: So we're gonna chase
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"Deep Throat" to $100 million.
- Isn't that something?
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[camera clicks]
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Gregg Murphy: John was attracted
to the prospect of making
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this kind of money.
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He, unfortunately, did not.
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I think he made
a little bit of money,
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but, uh, got totally
taken advantage of.
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Sehn: Murphy took John's
credit history to federal court
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is my understanding.
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They went through a process
called Chapter 11,
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which basically bankrupted
all his current debts,
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which included
the hospital debt.
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To my knowledge, the hospital
never got paid any money
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for the case and back then,
even 25 years ago,
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you know, it would've cost
at least probably $50,000.
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I certainly
wasn't getting paid, so,
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you know, he'd gotten--
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not--not a whole lot of money
at that time.
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I don't think he's ever
gotten a lot of money.
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He was taken advantage of later
by, uh, Jack Gordon.
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♪♪♪
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[camera clicks]
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Male police officer: We were
called to a domestic violence
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involving Mr. Bobbitt
and, uh, Miss Elliott.
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She alleged that Mr. Bobbitt
had grabbed her
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and pushed her
up against a wall.
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Well, he was just hitting me.
He was just going off.
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I'm innocent. It wasn't that,
you know, I wanted to hit her.
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She was hitting me.
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[thunder rumbling]
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♪♪♪
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Lorena: When I was
at the hospital, I was scared
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most of the time.
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I was fighting
all kinds of bad memories.
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♪♪♪
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I felt that I was hunted
by my husband.
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Like John was somewhere around
ready to grab me or something.
402
00:18:25,146 --> 00:18:28,733
It's just
like a horror movie.
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00:18:28,775 --> 00:18:30,026
♪♪♪
404
00:18:32,946 --> 00:18:37,158
And I didn't realize
that it was flashbacks or PTSD
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because I will just
have nightmares
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and I would just,
like, wake up.
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00:18:41,287 --> 00:18:44,582
I said, "I just have
to get myself together.
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00:18:44,624 --> 00:18:47,752
"I just have to compose myself.
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00:18:47,794 --> 00:18:49,921
"I don't want
to end up with drugs.
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00:18:49,963 --> 00:18:52,423
"I don't want to end up here
more than 45 days."
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And believe me,
I would count the days.
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♪♪♪
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A core tenet of somebody going
through trauma-related therapy
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is to learn to discuss
the trauma.
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Can't tell you
the neurochemistry behind it,
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00:19:10,024 --> 00:19:12,902
but sure can tell you
that it works.
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As people retell the story
again and again,
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it not only gets easier,
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but they start
to understand things
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that they didn't understand
at the beginning.
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The more I talked,
I wanted to talk
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even more
and more and more.
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- And, so...
[shower running]
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...I realized it was just
a different obstacle,
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and my religious belief
came to take over.
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♪♪♪
427
00:19:44,809 --> 00:19:48,187
I was trying to fight
the--the PTSD.
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♪♪♪
429
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Fight the demons,
fight whatever haunt me,
430
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fight the bad horrors
that I just went through.
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And I said, "I have to
get myself put together
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"and just go on...
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"because I'm still here.
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I'm in Central State,
but I'm still here."
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00:20:09,834 --> 00:20:15,381
I just had to go through this
day by day.
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00:20:15,423 --> 00:20:16,549
♪♪♪
437
00:20:31,689 --> 00:20:34,943
John: I can't begin to tell ya
how much stuff I done,
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everywhere I've been,
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and all the radio
and television I've done,
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and autographs I've signed.
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♪♪♪
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David Berman: At the time,
John was probably more famous
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than almost anybody
except maybe
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the president
of the United States.
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00:20:56,089 --> 00:20:59,384
But when he gets
out of the limelight,
446
00:20:59,425 --> 00:21:00,843
I mean, he doesn't have a lot
that he can do
447
00:21:00,885 --> 00:21:02,428
with the job market,
448
00:21:02,470 --> 00:21:04,889
and he didn't really know
how to par--parlay it.
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00:21:04,931 --> 00:21:08,935
Man: You are now known
as Reverend John Wayne Bobbitt.
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You now have the right
to perform weddings.
451
00:21:13,815 --> 00:21:16,025
Bill, do you take Diane
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to be your
lawfully wedded wife?
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00:21:18,111 --> 00:21:19,779
Bill: I do.
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Berman: I think
he could've done other things
455
00:21:21,823 --> 00:21:24,325
to promote himself
that would've been better.
456
00:21:24,367 --> 00:21:28,913
John Wayne Bobbitt is going in
for a penis extension.
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[Quivers laughs]
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Stern:
I think this is insane.
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00:21:32,166 --> 00:21:33,334
John: There were some
porn star friends of mine
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that was getting it done,
461
00:21:34,502 --> 00:21:37,296
and you know...why not?
462
00:21:37,338 --> 00:21:39,632
Bigger's better.
[laughs]
463
00:21:39,674 --> 00:21:43,219
Stern: John Wayne Bobbitt
and Dr. Rosenstein,
464
00:21:43,261 --> 00:21:44,804
who is going to perform
the operation
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on John Wayne Bobbitt.
466
00:21:46,764 --> 00:21:49,600
Are you having an extension
or are you having it made wider?
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- Uh, both.
- Quivers: Length and girth.
468
00:21:50,852 --> 00:21:52,228
John:
Length and girth, right.
469
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Stern: Oh--oh,
you are giving him girth.
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You're gonna be big.
- John: Yeah.
471
00:21:54,689 --> 00:21:56,024
Wow. Look how happy he is.
472
00:21:56,065 --> 00:21:57,734
Look at him. Oh, man.
473
00:21:57,775 --> 00:22:00,319
Wouldn't you be afraid
to do something to the penis
474
00:22:00,361 --> 00:22:02,113
after going through
something like that?
475
00:22:02,155 --> 00:22:05,116
Uh, no. I did lots of research
and, uh, Dr. Rosenstein
476
00:22:05,158 --> 00:22:07,076
is one of the best doctors
in the world.
477
00:22:07,118 --> 00:22:08,619
- Stern: I see.
- Well, you know,
478
00:22:08,661 --> 00:22:10,413
I've done thousands
of these, so we--
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00:22:10,455 --> 00:22:12,206
it's hard to get nervous
over a single operation.
480
00:22:12,248 --> 00:22:14,042
I'll tell you, man,
I--I don't think I would do it,
481
00:22:14,083 --> 00:22:16,627
but you will get more chicks,
so maybe it's worth doing.
482
00:22:16,669 --> 00:22:19,422
John: I'm still unsure,
so I want to think about it.
483
00:22:19,464 --> 00:22:22,133
♪♪♪
484
00:22:22,175 --> 00:22:23,342
Man: In the movie
"Frankenpenis,"
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you actually see the operation
486
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where they're actually
making his penis larger
487
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while he's under--
under sedation.
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00:22:30,767 --> 00:22:33,519
John: It's a good title
because, you know,
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00:22:33,561 --> 00:22:35,271
it didn't turn out the way
I expected, you know? I mean...
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00:22:35,313 --> 00:22:37,231
Man: Well, what'd you expect?
491
00:22:37,273 --> 00:22:39,776
Uh, I--I thought I'd have this,
like, perfect penis, you know?
492
00:22:39,817 --> 00:22:41,569
- Man: Right.
- But, uh, now it's like
493
00:22:41,611 --> 00:22:43,071
pathetic penis.
494
00:22:43,112 --> 00:22:44,405
♪♪♪
495
00:22:46,157 --> 00:22:48,284
Berman: John had this botched
penile augmentation
496
00:22:48,326 --> 00:22:51,204
with fat graft into his penis,
and it was actually
497
00:22:51,245 --> 00:22:53,748
an awful, awful job.
498
00:22:53,790 --> 00:22:56,125
Certainly, had he asked me,
you know,
499
00:22:56,167 --> 00:22:57,460
should he risk that,
500
00:22:57,502 --> 00:22:59,378
I would have told him
he's nuts.
501
00:22:59,420 --> 00:23:01,172
Had the doctor tell--told you
about the lawsuits and stuff
502
00:23:01,214 --> 00:23:02,673
and that things were going on?
- No, no one said
503
00:23:02,715 --> 00:23:04,926
anything to me, and, uh,
I was just healing.
504
00:23:04,967 --> 00:23:06,594
- Stern: I mean, we did.
- Quivers: He didn't tell you
505
00:23:06,636 --> 00:23:08,387
it was gonna be that painful
or that restrictive?
506
00:23:08,429 --> 00:23:10,473
Right. He's so anxious
to be a celebrity,
507
00:23:10,515 --> 00:23:12,225
that he said, "Well, okay,
I already did a porno movie,
508
00:23:12,266 --> 00:23:14,102
no one's gonna--you know,
they gotta see something new."
509
00:23:14,143 --> 00:23:18,773
So he went and mutilated his
own penis for the porno movie.
510
00:23:18,815 --> 00:23:21,234
♪♪♪
511
00:23:21,275 --> 00:23:22,819
John:
Who's there to protect you?
512
00:23:22,860 --> 00:23:24,237
I--I never had anybody
to protect me,
513
00:23:24,278 --> 00:23:25,655
like, good management.
514
00:23:25,696 --> 00:23:28,574
So, like, you know,
Rocky Balboa.
515
00:23:28,616 --> 00:23:31,452
[imitates Rocky]
"Need a good manager."
516
00:23:31,494 --> 00:23:34,413
And mixes up--protect you
from all this, you know?
517
00:23:34,455 --> 00:23:36,791
All this crap, you know?
518
00:23:36,833 --> 00:23:38,960
You know?
Make sure you don't get hurt.
519
00:23:39,001 --> 00:23:40,586
♪♪♪
520
00:23:58,855 --> 00:24:01,065
[indistinct chatter]
521
00:24:01,107 --> 00:24:02,859
Judge: The court agrees
with the doctor's findings
522
00:24:02,900 --> 00:24:05,486
and recommendations
that inpatient hospitalization
523
00:24:05,528 --> 00:24:07,155
is not required at this time.
524
00:24:07,196 --> 00:24:09,282
The court is going
to conditionally release
525
00:24:09,323 --> 00:24:11,117
the acquittee.
526
00:24:11,159 --> 00:24:13,536
Are there any questions
at this time by either counsel?
527
00:24:13,578 --> 00:24:14,579
[indistinct chatter]
528
00:24:14,620 --> 00:24:16,372
If there are no questions,
529
00:24:16,414 --> 00:24:17,790
then that would conclude
the hearing at this time.
530
00:24:17,832 --> 00:24:19,417
Thank you.
531
00:24:19,458 --> 00:24:21,085
♪♪♪
532
00:24:23,671 --> 00:24:25,840
Well, I've been
to McDonald's already.
533
00:24:25,882 --> 00:24:28,467
I guess next step
is Disney World.
534
00:24:28,509 --> 00:24:30,094
[laughter]
535
00:24:38,603 --> 00:24:43,024
Well, being in the hospital,
it make me more stronger person.
536
00:24:43,065 --> 00:24:46,944
I take that as a--an experience.
It's just a learning experience,
537
00:24:46,986 --> 00:24:48,946
and it helps me to be
more mature, also.
538
00:24:48,988 --> 00:24:50,072
Man: Lorena...
539
00:24:53,367 --> 00:24:56,537
Well, men have to have
a little bit more consideration
540
00:24:56,579 --> 00:24:58,539
and respect a woman.
541
00:24:58,581 --> 00:25:01,417
-[laughter]
-Woman: I think that's good.
542
00:25:01,459 --> 00:25:03,294
JAMES LOWE: I think that's
probably a good place to cut this--
543
00:25:03,336 --> 00:25:05,087
cut this short--that's about
the best answer we can give...
544
00:25:05,129 --> 00:25:10,051
Lorena: After my release,
I needed to set a goal.
545
00:25:10,092 --> 00:25:11,427
Man 1: Lorena, can we get one
more smile?
546
00:25:11,469 --> 00:25:13,554
Man 2: Lorena,
back here, babe. Lorena!
547
00:25:13,596 --> 00:25:15,473
Lorena:
To go back to life
548
00:25:15,514 --> 00:25:20,228
and start
the process of healing,
549
00:25:20,269 --> 00:25:23,773
I felt that no matter
how public my face is,
550
00:25:23,814 --> 00:25:28,069
I needed to go back
to my routine.
551
00:25:28,110 --> 00:25:33,366
Work, go home, and partially
get my life back on track again.
552
00:25:33,407 --> 00:25:36,535
Female reporter: And so this
last chapter is nearly written
553
00:25:36,577 --> 00:25:39,330
as Lorena Bobbitt is released
into outpatient treatment
554
00:25:39,372 --> 00:25:41,666
to last until the court
deems otherwise,
555
00:25:41,707 --> 00:25:43,501
and many other
are hoping all this
556
00:25:43,542 --> 00:25:45,044
brings the issue
of domestic violence
557
00:25:45,086 --> 00:25:47,380
to the forefront
of the public consciousness.
558
00:25:47,421 --> 00:25:52,051
Lorena Bobbitt used a knife!
Lorena Bobbitt saved her life!
559
00:25:52,093 --> 00:25:53,803
Lorena Bobbitt used a knife!
560
00:25:53,844 --> 00:25:55,638
Jeltsen: In the years leading up
to the Bobbitt case,
561
00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:57,515
there was a lot of activity
and energy by advocates
562
00:25:57,556 --> 00:26:00,518
trying to get the country
to focus on domestic violence
563
00:26:00,559 --> 00:26:02,186
and sexual harassment.
564
00:26:02,228 --> 00:26:05,189
But it just wasn't
happening fast enough.
565
00:26:05,231 --> 00:26:08,943
Gandy: In the late '80s,
early '90s
566
00:26:08,985 --> 00:26:14,198
local, state, and federal
governments were very slow
567
00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:17,451
to recognize and fund
domestic violence.
568
00:26:17,493 --> 00:26:19,245
There just wasn't a sense
569
00:26:19,287 --> 00:26:21,998
that special resources
were needed.
570
00:26:22,039 --> 00:26:23,749
[siren wailing]
571
00:26:23,791 --> 00:26:26,210
Domestic violence cases
don't get national attention
572
00:26:26,252 --> 00:26:28,963
because they're so ordinary--
they happen every day.
573
00:26:29,005 --> 00:26:32,008
They're often considered
a private matter that happens
574
00:26:32,049 --> 00:26:33,801
between a man and his wife.
575
00:26:33,843 --> 00:26:35,594
♪♪♪
576
00:26:35,636 --> 00:26:37,805
Joe Biden: We cannot afford
to wait any longer
577
00:26:37,847 --> 00:26:39,849
to treat domestic violence
as something
578
00:26:39,890 --> 00:26:43,436
other than what it is--
a serious crime.
579
00:26:43,477 --> 00:26:46,397
Gandy: A spark for
the Violence Against Women Act
580
00:26:46,439 --> 00:26:48,566
came from Senator Joe Biden.
581
00:26:48,607 --> 00:26:50,443
It was his baby.
582
00:26:50,484 --> 00:26:53,029
Now who could be against that?
583
00:26:53,070 --> 00:26:54,989
Gandy: He found
a Senate co-sponsor
584
00:26:55,031 --> 00:26:57,575
on the other side of the aisle--
Orrin Hatch,
585
00:26:57,616 --> 00:27:01,203
and the two of them were,
nominally, the--the authors
586
00:27:01,245 --> 00:27:03,080
of the Violence
Against Women Act.
587
00:27:03,122 --> 00:27:10,254
We were crafting legislation
which had, as part of its focus,
588
00:27:10,296 --> 00:27:12,548
a coordinated
community response.
589
00:27:12,590 --> 00:27:14,091
Police officer: And you need
to keep Ann and Cliff
590
00:27:14,133 --> 00:27:15,384
apart from each other
because you know...
591
00:27:15,426 --> 00:27:17,386
Dan Harris: Prior to 1991,
592
00:27:17,428 --> 00:27:20,181
law enforcement's response
to domestic violence
593
00:27:20,222 --> 00:27:22,183
was more hands-off.
594
00:27:22,224 --> 00:27:24,602
We would try to get the parties
to calm down.
595
00:27:24,643 --> 00:27:28,230
We'd try to get 'em to separate,
maybe someone go for a walk.
596
00:27:28,272 --> 00:27:30,316
Just literally
have a time-out.
597
00:27:30,358 --> 00:27:34,862
Gandy: We were working
on funding for police,
598
00:27:34,904 --> 00:27:37,865
and funding for prosecutors,
and funding for judges
599
00:27:37,907 --> 00:27:42,119
to have training
to understand these cases.
600
00:27:42,161 --> 00:27:45,122
We hoped that trying
to pass legislation
601
00:27:45,164 --> 00:27:49,418
would bring domestic violence
into the national attention.
602
00:27:49,460 --> 00:27:53,923
But we also understood
it's very, very hard
603
00:27:53,964 --> 00:27:55,966
to get action.
604
00:28:00,346 --> 00:28:05,893
[crickets chirping]
605
00:28:10,189 --> 00:28:12,066
[animal howls]
606
00:28:13,776 --> 00:28:17,488
John worked here, of course.
He was our celebrity greeter,
607
00:28:17,530 --> 00:28:18,781
if you will.
608
00:28:18,823 --> 00:28:20,324
♪♪♪
609
00:28:20,366 --> 00:28:23,577
He came out here
and, uh, we liked him,
610
00:28:23,619 --> 00:28:26,247
and so,
we ended up hiring him.
611
00:28:26,288 --> 00:28:29,917
His name was big at the time,
and we had him.
612
00:28:29,959 --> 00:28:33,129
Dennis Hof:
John started out at the door.
613
00:28:33,170 --> 00:28:37,216
Somebody rings the buzzer.
All the girls start lining up.
614
00:28:37,258 --> 00:28:39,593
He would say,
"Hello, I'm John Bobbitt.
615
00:28:39,635 --> 00:28:43,722
Welcome to the world-famous
Bunny Ranch."
616
00:28:43,764 --> 00:28:46,142
And people would go...
617
00:28:46,183 --> 00:28:47,643
They--they were shocked.
618
00:28:47,685 --> 00:28:50,521
I--I gotta tell you.
This was a big deal.
619
00:28:50,563 --> 00:28:53,441
He was a tabloid titan.
620
00:28:53,482 --> 00:28:55,443
The Bunny Ranch cannot
advertise in Nevada,
621
00:28:55,484 --> 00:28:57,653
but I can do
promotion and media.
622
00:28:57,695 --> 00:29:00,990
The tabloids, everybody,
just loved it.
623
00:29:01,031 --> 00:29:03,033
♪♪♪
624
00:29:03,075 --> 00:29:05,077
Madam Suzette: We were trying
to teach him behind the bar,
625
00:29:05,119 --> 00:29:08,330
but he wouldn't retain
too much information.
626
00:29:08,372 --> 00:29:10,875
He was kinda A.D.D.
and scattered a little bit.
627
00:29:10,916 --> 00:29:12,626
So, if he was behind the bar,
628
00:29:12,668 --> 00:29:15,212
we'd have to have another
bartender behind the bar too,
629
00:29:15,254 --> 00:29:17,006
because he couldn't take over
that whole bar.
630
00:29:17,047 --> 00:29:18,716
Hof:
Then we thought,
631
00:29:18,757 --> 00:29:20,634
"We'll, uh, train him
to drive the limo."
632
00:29:20,676 --> 00:29:23,012
Airforce Amy:
You'd give him a job to do
633
00:29:23,053 --> 00:29:25,431
and he just didn't
realize the gravity of it--
634
00:29:25,473 --> 00:29:26,974
that--if you're supposed
to drive the limo,
635
00:29:27,016 --> 00:29:28,726
you're supposed
to drive the limo.
636
00:29:28,767 --> 00:29:30,561
You don't let, like,
an 18-year-old drunk girl
637
00:29:30,603 --> 00:29:32,271
drive the limo for you.
638
00:29:32,313 --> 00:29:33,522
Caressa Kisses: We hated him
around the customers.
639
00:29:33,564 --> 00:29:35,232
He, you know,
he just felt like
640
00:29:35,274 --> 00:29:37,276
everybody who came through
the door was here for him.
641
00:29:37,318 --> 00:29:38,944
"John, you can't talk to 'em
for two and three hours,
642
00:29:38,986 --> 00:29:40,196
"and get 'em drunk.
643
00:29:40,237 --> 00:29:41,697
"We need to--we need to do that.
644
00:29:41,739 --> 00:29:42,781
That's our job."
645
00:29:45,159 --> 00:29:46,619
Hof:
There's two sides of him--
646
00:29:46,660 --> 00:29:48,204
the really nice guy,
very mild mannered,
647
00:29:48,245 --> 00:29:49,622
very pleasant.
648
00:29:49,663 --> 00:29:52,625
Then...
the stone, fucking asshole.
649
00:29:52,666 --> 00:29:57,338
From nice guy to fucking asshole
in three drinks.
650
00:29:57,379 --> 00:30:01,091
Caressa: When he'd drink,
he became very, uh, verbally
651
00:30:01,133 --> 00:30:03,719
and physically abusive.
652
00:30:03,761 --> 00:30:05,721
And he would sit right
at the very end of the bar
653
00:30:05,763 --> 00:30:09,266
in that last bar seat--
that was his favorite.
654
00:30:09,308 --> 00:30:11,060
Suzette absolutely demanded
655
00:30:11,101 --> 00:30:12,978
that he could not drink
on property.
656
00:30:13,020 --> 00:30:15,689
And it became,
uh, a violent argument,
657
00:30:15,731 --> 00:30:17,483
and she let him go.
658
00:30:17,525 --> 00:30:20,528
He had to be escorted
off the property.
659
00:30:20,569 --> 00:30:23,489
Well, some of his family members
showed up at her house
660
00:30:23,531 --> 00:30:25,157
and threatened her,
661
00:30:25,199 --> 00:30:28,077
uh, to let John
come back to work.
662
00:30:28,118 --> 00:30:30,204
Suzette: They all pulled up
in, like, a posse--
663
00:30:30,246 --> 00:30:31,622
six, seven people.
664
00:30:31,664 --> 00:30:33,457
Car after car
after car after car,
665
00:30:33,499 --> 00:30:35,251
and I was kind of living
out in the sticks at the time.
666
00:30:35,292 --> 00:30:38,671
I'm thinking, "Ooh."
And John was with them.
667
00:30:38,712 --> 00:30:40,673
Hof: They started giving Suzette
a hard time,
668
00:30:40,714 --> 00:30:42,508
on the verge of violence.
669
00:30:42,550 --> 00:30:44,969
I felt fearful enough
for my life
670
00:30:45,010 --> 00:30:46,512
that I went and got a--
671
00:30:46,554 --> 00:30:49,848
I called the cops
and got a restraining order.
672
00:30:49,890 --> 00:30:51,892
Man: Why in the hell would you
rehire him to come back?
673
00:30:51,934 --> 00:30:53,727
Hof:
'Cause I'm media whore.
674
00:30:53,769 --> 00:30:56,105
If the media value
wasn't there,
675
00:30:56,146 --> 00:30:58,607
there would not have been
a second, third, fourth, fifth--
676
00:30:58,649 --> 00:31:00,568
whatever amount of chances
we gave him.
677
00:31:01,944 --> 00:31:03,028
Suzette:
And next thing you know,
678
00:31:03,070 --> 00:31:04,572
his family got in trouble,
679
00:31:04,613 --> 00:31:06,532
and John was
in the middle of it--
680
00:31:06,574 --> 00:31:09,702
something over a--a--a store
and stealing clothes.
681
00:31:09,743 --> 00:31:11,412
♪♪♪
682
00:31:11,453 --> 00:31:13,330
Hof: John was taking clothes
from a store.
683
00:31:13,372 --> 00:31:14,915
Told this girl,
"I'm a celebrity.
684
00:31:14,957 --> 00:31:16,584
You should give me things."
685
00:31:16,625 --> 00:31:19,628
It was $150,000 worth
of clothing,
686
00:31:19,670 --> 00:31:21,171
and the way
that he got caught,
687
00:31:21,213 --> 00:31:23,007
was that he was
returning the clothing
688
00:31:23,048 --> 00:31:24,967
to other stores
in the same chain
689
00:31:25,009 --> 00:31:26,927
to get cash.
690
00:31:26,969 --> 00:31:28,554
♪♪♪
691
00:31:28,596 --> 00:31:30,347
And he got arrested for it.
692
00:31:30,389 --> 00:31:33,309
Suzette:
He was, um, out on bail,
693
00:31:33,350 --> 00:31:36,270
and so we had
a birthday party for him.
694
00:31:36,312 --> 00:31:38,022
It was his 32nd birthday.
695
00:31:38,063 --> 00:31:39,523
So we thought, "Well,
let's make an event out of it.
696
00:31:39,565 --> 00:31:41,483
Invite the media."
697
00:31:41,525 --> 00:31:44,028
Suzette: I baked the cake.
It had beautiful frosting--
698
00:31:44,069 --> 00:31:45,112
"Happy Birthday, John."
699
00:31:45,154 --> 00:31:47,448
I put this huge knife in it.
700
00:31:47,489 --> 00:31:49,867
And then I put
the red gel all around--
701
00:31:49,908 --> 00:31:53,287
dripping around the knife
and onto the cake.
702
00:31:53,329 --> 00:31:55,289
We had
all this stuff planned.
703
00:31:55,331 --> 00:31:58,792
It was great...
until John didn't show.
704
00:31:58,834 --> 00:32:00,544
Caressa:
But he skipped bond.
705
00:32:00,586 --> 00:32:03,255
Dennis put up
a very substantial amount
706
00:32:03,297 --> 00:32:07,176
to keep him out of jail.
707
00:32:07,217 --> 00:32:09,803
He was nowhere to be found.
He was on the run.
708
00:32:20,606 --> 00:32:24,068
Tom Jarriel: Neither you
nor John were found guilty
709
00:32:24,109 --> 00:32:26,487
in this particular case.
710
00:32:26,528 --> 00:32:27,738
Was there no victim here?
711
00:32:27,780 --> 00:32:29,448
Or were you both victims?
712
00:32:29,490 --> 00:32:33,118
We're both were victims
of a tragic situation.
713
00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:34,787
Yes.
714
00:32:34,828 --> 00:32:38,123
But as far as a crime--
was there no crime?
715
00:32:39,917 --> 00:32:43,712
Yes, it was a crime.
Two crimes.
716
00:32:43,754 --> 00:32:46,256
Jarriel narrating: Lorena is
working with a Hollywood agent
717
00:32:46,298 --> 00:32:48,050
to film
the story of her life.
718
00:32:48,092 --> 00:32:50,636
She wants to make some money,
pay legal bills,
719
00:32:50,678 --> 00:32:52,846
and then get on
with her personal life.
720
00:32:52,888 --> 00:32:54,014
♪♪♪
721
00:32:56,433 --> 00:33:00,604
The plan, initially, was to do
either a television special,
722
00:33:00,646 --> 00:33:04,358
or a motion picture
on her life
723
00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:05,859
that would tell the truth
724
00:33:05,901 --> 00:33:08,237
outside of what
the media was doing.
725
00:33:08,278 --> 00:33:10,447
That became
a real clear objective for me.
726
00:33:10,489 --> 00:33:12,449
♪♪♪
727
00:33:12,491 --> 00:33:15,202
If we did get a half a million
dollars for an interview,
728
00:33:15,244 --> 00:33:17,538
the first money would go
directly to this trust,
729
00:33:17,579 --> 00:33:19,164
and the beneficiary
of that trust,
730
00:33:19,206 --> 00:33:20,916
would be Lorena only.
731
00:33:20,958 --> 00:33:23,919
There'd be nobody else.
732
00:33:23,961 --> 00:33:26,130
Lorena: Alan, how he was,
733
00:33:26,171 --> 00:33:29,508
making deals
with Janna Bisutti--
734
00:33:29,550 --> 00:33:35,472
she wanted me to sign
a contract, which I did...
735
00:33:35,514 --> 00:33:43,689
not knowing that I was
signing away 15% to her.
736
00:33:43,731 --> 00:33:46,316
Regina Keegan:
The story was so sensational,
737
00:33:46,358 --> 00:33:50,112
and everybody
was getting their 15 minutes.
738
00:33:58,746 --> 00:34:00,664
♪♪♪
739
00:34:00,706 --> 00:34:03,208
Keegan: When I went
to the courthouse,
740
00:34:03,250 --> 00:34:06,211
the salon manager-owner,
741
00:34:06,253 --> 00:34:10,632
she was talking about--
"Well, everything she's wearing,
742
00:34:10,674 --> 00:34:12,217
"I got her.
743
00:34:12,259 --> 00:34:14,595
"And she's lucky
to have a friend like me.
744
00:34:14,636 --> 00:34:17,890
"And if they
want an interview,
745
00:34:17,931 --> 00:34:19,933
they're gonna
have to go through me."
746
00:34:19,975 --> 00:34:21,810
♪♪♪
747
00:34:21,852 --> 00:34:23,854
She said,
"They pay for everything,
748
00:34:23,896 --> 00:34:26,273
"and you go first class.
749
00:34:26,315 --> 00:34:29,026
"They give you money
to go get clothes,
750
00:34:29,067 --> 00:34:30,778
"and they set you up
in a nice hotel,
751
00:34:30,819 --> 00:34:33,238
and they give you a driver."
752
00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:39,244
"Oh. Is there a therapist
in there somewhere for Lorena?"
753
00:34:39,286 --> 00:34:42,164
♪♪♪
754
00:34:42,206 --> 00:34:45,959
Lorena: I really felt betrayed
by Janna Bisutti.
755
00:34:46,001 --> 00:34:49,087
That was very devastating.
She was my confidant.
756
00:34:49,129 --> 00:34:50,798
I look up to her.
757
00:34:50,839 --> 00:34:52,591
♪♪♪
758
00:34:52,633 --> 00:34:58,514
And as much as it hurt,
I had to say goodbye.
759
00:34:58,555 --> 00:35:04,186
♪♪♪
760
00:35:04,228 --> 00:35:08,106
I didn't choose
to be in the spotlight.
761
00:35:08,148 --> 00:35:10,651
It wasn't intentional.
762
00:35:10,692 --> 00:35:12,694
But for some reason,
you know,
763
00:35:12,736 --> 00:35:15,656
people thought
that they can always
764
00:35:15,697 --> 00:35:19,701
make money off of my story.
765
00:35:19,743 --> 00:35:22,704
I just wanted
to live a simple life.
766
00:35:22,746 --> 00:35:28,877
I went through so much,
and, um, I have to somehow
767
00:35:28,919 --> 00:35:33,632
get the strength
to--to move on.
768
00:35:33,674 --> 00:35:35,092
That's exactly
what I wanted to do.
769
00:35:35,133 --> 00:35:36,718
I wanted to move on.
770
00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:43,559
♪♪♪
771
00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:48,689
Desiree: When I met John,
I was about 19 years old.
772
00:35:48,730 --> 00:35:51,024
We dated very briefly,
773
00:35:51,066 --> 00:35:54,486
and I helped him get
to Niagara Falls, New York.
774
00:35:54,528 --> 00:35:55,612
♪♪♪
775
00:35:58,782 --> 00:36:00,951
Hof:
John ran off with Desiree.
776
00:36:00,993 --> 00:36:03,704
She'd worked here.
She was a working girl.
777
00:36:03,745 --> 00:36:06,748
So, they kinda hooked up
and started being friends.
778
00:36:06,790 --> 00:36:09,167
It was their
dirty little secret
779
00:36:09,209 --> 00:36:12,296
they were hiding
from the king.
780
00:36:12,337 --> 00:36:13,964
Suzette:
Desiree was a nice girl,
781
00:36:14,006 --> 00:36:16,425
but if somebody comes
and works for us,
782
00:36:16,466 --> 00:36:18,594
you can't touch the girls.
783
00:36:18,635 --> 00:36:20,679
You know, that's my merchandise.
That's how I make my money.
784
00:36:20,721 --> 00:36:23,265
You take one of the girls out,
that's minus $50,000 a month.
785
00:36:23,307 --> 00:36:24,766
♪♪♪
786
00:36:24,808 --> 00:36:26,393
Hof:
It's like stealing from me.
787
00:36:26,435 --> 00:36:28,020
You might as well
reach into my pocket
788
00:36:28,061 --> 00:36:29,563
and grab
a few thousand dollars.
789
00:36:29,605 --> 00:36:33,317
♪♪♪
790
00:36:33,358 --> 00:36:35,235
Desiree:
I drove John all the way
791
00:36:35,277 --> 00:36:37,779
to Niagara Falls, New York...
792
00:36:37,821 --> 00:36:40,032
back to his family.
793
00:36:40,073 --> 00:36:42,784
♪♪♪
794
00:36:42,826 --> 00:36:45,412
When we got out there,
John said to me,
795
00:36:45,454 --> 00:36:46,997
"I don't have any money
796
00:36:47,039 --> 00:36:49,291
"because I was living
paycheck to paycheck,
797
00:36:49,333 --> 00:36:53,211
and can you help me?"
798
00:36:53,253 --> 00:36:57,174
So I helped him
to secure an apartment.
799
00:36:57,215 --> 00:37:01,678
But I lived cross-country.
800
00:37:01,720 --> 00:37:06,183
I was paying the rent
and supporting him.
801
00:37:06,224 --> 00:37:09,436
I would come back and forth
between where I lived
802
00:37:09,478 --> 00:37:12,481
and to the apartment.
803
00:37:12,522 --> 00:37:17,110
I was in this loop
for a couple years with John.
804
00:37:17,152 --> 00:37:18,195
♪♪♪
805
00:37:21,365 --> 00:37:23,992
I had come back to make sure
that the apartment
806
00:37:24,034 --> 00:37:26,119
was going to be taken
out of our name
807
00:37:26,161 --> 00:37:27,579
into just his name.
808
00:37:30,958 --> 00:37:36,004
John flew off the handle
and he beat me
809
00:37:36,046 --> 00:37:39,883
with just about everything that
was loose in that apartment.
810
00:37:39,925 --> 00:37:42,177
[dog barking]
811
00:37:44,763 --> 00:37:49,559
John forcibly...took me...
812
00:37:49,601 --> 00:37:51,687
out onto the balcony,
813
00:37:51,728 --> 00:37:55,732
and pushed me
over the edge of the balcony,
814
00:37:55,774 --> 00:37:58,485
and was holding onto me
by my lower legs
815
00:37:58,527 --> 00:38:00,988
dangling me over the balcony,
threatening to drop me.
816
00:38:01,029 --> 00:38:02,739
♪♪♪
817
00:38:02,781 --> 00:38:06,660
People in the street
saw what happened.
818
00:38:06,702 --> 00:38:10,539
He pulled me back up
by my hair, by my limbs,
819
00:38:10,580 --> 00:38:13,583
drug me across the railing...
820
00:38:13,625 --> 00:38:17,004
and I was
thrown into the bedroom.
821
00:38:17,045 --> 00:38:18,839
♪♪♪
822
00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:20,424
I was tied to the bed.
823
00:38:20,465 --> 00:38:22,467
♪♪♪
824
00:38:22,509 --> 00:38:24,344
Stripped.
825
00:38:24,386 --> 00:38:30,100
He...repeatedly raped me.
826
00:38:30,142 --> 00:38:31,768
He sodomized me.
827
00:38:31,810 --> 00:38:35,230
He told me
that I was his Lorena now.
828
00:38:35,272 --> 00:38:37,107
♪♪♪
829
00:38:37,149 --> 00:38:40,110
And neither she or I...
830
00:38:40,152 --> 00:38:42,529
or anyone that he had been with
would ever escape him.
831
00:38:42,571 --> 00:38:46,575
♪♪♪
832
00:38:46,616 --> 00:38:49,953
After three days...
833
00:38:49,995 --> 00:38:51,580
[voice breaking]
...almost endless torture...
834
00:38:51,621 --> 00:38:53,540
[crying]
835
00:38:53,582 --> 00:38:56,418
I thought if I played dead,
he would just leave me be.
836
00:38:56,460 --> 00:38:58,295
♪♪♪
837
00:38:58,336 --> 00:39:02,007
And after trying to rile me,
and talk to me,
838
00:39:02,049 --> 00:39:05,844
and checking and see
if I was still breathing,
839
00:39:05,886 --> 00:39:07,387
he untied me,
840
00:39:07,429 --> 00:39:09,264
and he started
gathering sheets...
841
00:39:09,306 --> 00:39:11,183
♪♪♪
842
00:39:11,224 --> 00:39:12,768
...like he was gonna
wrap me up in them.
843
00:39:12,809 --> 00:39:14,186
[crying]
844
00:39:24,071 --> 00:39:26,323
...he started to make
his way to the door.
845
00:39:26,364 --> 00:39:27,491
♪♪♪
846
00:39:29,910 --> 00:39:30,952
And I ran.
847
00:39:30,994 --> 00:39:32,245
♪♪♪
848
00:39:41,713 --> 00:39:44,758
[camera clicks]
849
00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:47,219
Caroline Wojtaszek: There was
an accusation of a domestic
850
00:39:47,260 --> 00:39:49,721
involving John Wayne Bobbitt
and Desiree.
851
00:39:51,556 --> 00:39:53,642
John Bobbitt was charged
with harassment
852
00:39:53,683 --> 00:39:57,187
which is a violation, um,
under New York State penal law.
853
00:39:57,229 --> 00:39:59,815
But nine times out of ten,
854
00:39:59,856 --> 00:40:02,192
whenever I had a victim
in front of me,
855
00:40:02,234 --> 00:40:06,822
what they told
the police officer at the scene
856
00:40:06,863 --> 00:40:11,785
scratched the surface
of what really happened.
857
00:40:11,827 --> 00:40:14,037
♪♪♪
858
00:40:14,079 --> 00:40:16,456
There were no allegations
of rape at the time,
859
00:40:16,498 --> 00:40:19,084
so they did not collect
a rape kit,
860
00:40:19,126 --> 00:40:22,295
but because I knew
that John Wayne Bobbitt
861
00:40:22,337 --> 00:40:27,050
had a pretty significant history
of domestic violence,
862
00:40:27,092 --> 00:40:29,761
I knew that this was a case
that I would have to try,
863
00:40:29,803 --> 00:40:32,639
that I couldn't offer
a lesser plea.
864
00:40:32,681 --> 00:40:36,268
Luckily, we found
that supportive evidence.
865
00:40:36,309 --> 00:40:40,772
An 11- or 12-year-old child
had been home sick that day,
866
00:40:40,814 --> 00:40:44,067
and he heard some noise
out in the hallway,
867
00:40:44,109 --> 00:40:45,527
and pulled up a chair,
868
00:40:45,569 --> 00:40:47,070
looked out the peephole,
869
00:40:47,112 --> 00:40:51,366
and had seen
John pulling Desiree--
870
00:40:51,408 --> 00:40:54,202
dragging her, essentially,
through the hallway.
871
00:40:54,244 --> 00:40:56,037
♪♪♪
872
00:40:56,079 --> 00:40:58,165
And John Wayne Bobbitt
was found guilty
873
00:40:58,206 --> 00:40:59,791
and spent some time
in jail.
874
00:40:59,833 --> 00:41:02,252
♪♪♪
875
00:41:02,294 --> 00:41:06,631
I--I never used violence
against another person...
876
00:41:06,673 --> 00:41:07,924
pretty much ever.
877
00:41:07,966 --> 00:41:09,050
♪♪♪
878
00:41:16,183 --> 00:41:20,520
Most men who abuse, continue
to abuse throughout their lives.
879
00:41:20,562 --> 00:41:22,898
Judge: The court does hereby
accept your plea of "guilty,"
880
00:41:22,939 --> 00:41:25,358
and upon it, you are found
and are judged guilty,
881
00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:27,527
and you are sentenced
as follows.
882
00:41:30,030 --> 00:41:32,157
John: There's probably a lot
of women who were victimized--
883
00:41:32,199 --> 00:41:35,410
women who were
legitimately vic-victimized...
884
00:41:35,452 --> 00:41:39,581
by men, alcoholics,
abusive--you know--guys.
885
00:41:39,623 --> 00:41:45,003
But these women who are
opportunist gold diggers,
886
00:41:45,045 --> 00:41:47,464
they use you
as a stepping stone
887
00:41:47,505 --> 00:41:48,798
to advance their career.
888
00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:51,801
♪♪♪
889
00:41:51,843 --> 00:41:54,262
Just like the immigrant
that marries a guy,
890
00:41:54,304 --> 00:41:55,889
if it's not working out,
they can do the same thing
891
00:41:55,931 --> 00:41:57,641
as a gold digger.
892
00:41:57,682 --> 00:42:00,310
♪♪♪
893
00:42:00,352 --> 00:42:04,314
Nelson: Abusers often don't
recognize themselves as abusers.
894
00:42:04,356 --> 00:42:06,691
They often have a series
of distorted ideas
895
00:42:06,733 --> 00:42:09,903
that convince themselves that
what they're doing is justified,
896
00:42:09,945 --> 00:42:13,782
or that it's not so bad,
or that she's exaggerating it.
897
00:42:13,823 --> 00:42:17,911
♪♪♪
898
00:42:17,953 --> 00:42:20,288
There was a domestic violence
dispute between John and I,
899
00:42:20,330 --> 00:42:21,331
and I was injured.
900
00:42:21,373 --> 00:42:23,250
♪♪♪
901
00:42:23,291 --> 00:42:27,671
Woman: John Bobbitt--
CC631794A,
902
00:42:27,712 --> 00:42:33,051
battery--
C519675A, battery.
903
00:42:33,093 --> 00:42:35,762
John: These women,
they know that their backup
904
00:42:35,804 --> 00:42:38,473
is to use law enforcement
to their advantage by saying,
905
00:42:38,515 --> 00:42:39,933
"Well, you know what?
If you leave,
906
00:42:39,975 --> 00:42:41,518
"or you--you fuck up
this relationship,
907
00:42:41,559 --> 00:42:43,895
"or you--you don't
get my citizenship,
908
00:42:43,937 --> 00:42:45,355
I'll call the cops."
909
00:42:45,397 --> 00:42:46,690
♪♪♪
910
00:42:56,157 --> 00:42:59,536
Woman: November 15 at 2:00 p.m.
for trial.
911
00:42:59,577 --> 00:43:01,663
[indistinct chatter]
912
00:43:01,705 --> 00:43:05,417
Your Honor, uh, if it's proven
that this, uh, victim is lying,
913
00:43:05,458 --> 00:43:06,835
I would--I would
ask the court--
914
00:43:06,876 --> 00:43:07,836
I mean this is
like the second time.
915
00:43:07,877 --> 00:43:09,629
I mean, if she's--
916
00:43:09,671 --> 00:43:11,548
I mean, I'd like her to be
thrown in jail for contempt.
917
00:43:11,589 --> 00:43:13,675
She's making this
entire thing up. And if I...
918
00:43:13,717 --> 00:43:15,051
Worse than
what Lorena did to me,
919
00:43:15,093 --> 00:43:18,596
what my second wife did--
devastation.
920
00:43:18,638 --> 00:43:22,058
Lost everything. In and out
of jail for ten months.
921
00:43:22,100 --> 00:43:24,728
So, judge revoked my probation.
922
00:43:24,769 --> 00:43:27,355
Then had to do the rest
of the time in Lovelock--
923
00:43:27,397 --> 00:43:28,857
where O.J. was.
924
00:43:28,898 --> 00:43:31,735
So I spent,
uh, 15 months there.
925
00:43:31,776 --> 00:43:35,947
♪♪♪
926
00:43:35,989 --> 00:43:39,451
When I was in prison,
I got, uh--uh--attacked.
927
00:43:39,492 --> 00:43:42,203
Some guy clocked me from behind
and knocked me out.
928
00:43:42,245 --> 00:43:46,499
They said, "Well, you don't hit,
you know, the sisters.
929
00:43:46,541 --> 00:43:48,668
You don't hit the women,"
or whatever.
930
00:43:48,710 --> 00:43:50,337
♪♪♪
931
00:43:50,378 --> 00:43:54,174
So I got attacked
a few times.
932
00:43:54,215 --> 00:43:56,760
Being a well-known person,
933
00:43:56,801 --> 00:43:59,637
if you're
in the prison system--
934
00:43:59,679 --> 00:44:02,682
or jail,
you're--you're a target.
935
00:44:02,724 --> 00:44:07,437
♪♪♪
936
00:44:09,022 --> 00:44:10,690
Male reporter:
The body of 34-year-old
937
00:44:10,732 --> 00:44:13,193
Nicole Brown Simpson,
ex-wife of O.J. Simpson,
938
00:44:13,234 --> 00:44:15,278
was found after midnight
on the sidewalk
939
00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:17,280
outside her
West Los Angeles home.
940
00:44:17,322 --> 00:44:18,490
♪♪♪
941
00:44:20,825 --> 00:44:22,786
Bernie Sanders: Mr. Speaker,
it is disturbing
942
00:44:22,827 --> 00:44:25,538
that the death of Nicole Simpson
should be necessary
943
00:44:25,580 --> 00:44:27,499
to force us to take notice
944
00:44:27,540 --> 00:44:29,793
of the horror
of domestic violence.
945
00:44:29,834 --> 00:44:33,838
I vigorously support
the Violence Against Women Act.
946
00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:38,635
We urgently need
the $1.8 billion in this bill
947
00:44:38,676 --> 00:44:42,138
to combat the epidemic
of violence against women
948
00:44:42,180 --> 00:44:44,432
on the streets
and in the homes of America.
949
00:44:44,474 --> 00:44:46,017
[camera clicks]
950
00:44:46,059 --> 00:44:47,769
Jeltsen:
The Violence Against Women Act
951
00:44:47,811 --> 00:44:49,979
was a landmark piece
of legislation that told police,
952
00:44:50,021 --> 00:44:51,648
"You need
to take this seriously."
953
00:44:51,689 --> 00:44:53,733
And it sent a signal
to the country as a whole--
954
00:44:53,775 --> 00:44:55,527
domestic violence is a crime.
955
00:44:55,568 --> 00:44:59,781
This is something that
we need to tackle as a country.
956
00:44:59,823 --> 00:45:02,659
Gandy: There had really
never been anything
957
00:45:02,700 --> 00:45:07,914
that addressed a women's issue
that had actual money behind it.
958
00:45:07,956 --> 00:45:10,417
♪♪♪
959
00:45:10,458 --> 00:45:12,085
Of course,
what happened then,
960
00:45:12,127 --> 00:45:14,546
was that in the '94 elections
that fall,
961
00:45:14,587 --> 00:45:19,050
Newt Gingrich swept in
and turned the House Republican
962
00:45:19,092 --> 00:45:21,010
from Democrat.
963
00:45:21,052 --> 00:45:25,974
Even though the act was passed,
and the money was authorized,
964
00:45:26,015 --> 00:45:29,727
House Republicans refused
to appropriate the money.
965
00:45:29,769 --> 00:45:32,439
♪♪♪
966
00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:33,565
Kim Masters:
We've had this problem
967
00:45:33,606 --> 00:45:35,525
going from then until now.
968
00:45:35,567 --> 00:45:37,235
There's progress for feminism,
969
00:45:37,277 --> 00:45:39,070
and then there's
this other current
970
00:45:39,112 --> 00:45:40,864
moving in the opposite
direction.
971
00:45:40,905 --> 00:45:43,741
You wonder--are we really
gonna make a change?
972
00:45:43,783 --> 00:45:45,702
Or were we just
having a moment,
973
00:45:45,743 --> 00:45:48,204
and then everybody then goes
back to how it was before?
974
00:45:48,246 --> 00:45:50,248
Women: We won't go back!
975
00:45:50,290 --> 00:45:52,125
We're here to confront
and protest
976
00:45:52,167 --> 00:45:54,961
all of the forms
of violence against women.
977
00:45:55,003 --> 00:45:56,713
And we're also here
to send a message
978
00:45:56,754 --> 00:46:00,133
to Newt Gingrich and his cronies
back here behind me
979
00:46:00,175 --> 00:46:01,885
that we won't go back!
980
00:46:01,926 --> 00:46:03,261
[cheering]
981
00:46:03,303 --> 00:46:06,598
It then took a lot of public
pressure,
982
00:46:06,639 --> 00:46:10,810
until finally in 1995,
there was funding
983
00:46:10,852 --> 00:46:12,479
for the Violence
Against Women Act.
984
00:46:12,520 --> 00:46:15,273
♪♪♪
985
00:46:19,110 --> 00:46:22,864
[crickets chirping]
986
00:46:22,906 --> 00:46:24,532
Amalin Hoyt:
I had a party at my house
987
00:46:24,574 --> 00:46:27,827
and we invited
Lorena and her family.
988
00:46:27,869 --> 00:46:31,623
We were being too loud and it
was like 1:00 in the morning.
989
00:46:31,664 --> 00:46:34,584
The police showed up.
990
00:46:34,626 --> 00:46:37,128
And her father says,
"Amalin, wait.
991
00:46:37,170 --> 00:46:39,506
Let Lorena answer the door."
992
00:46:39,547 --> 00:46:41,799
She was like, "No, Dad!"
993
00:46:41,841 --> 00:46:45,512
The parents were all excited
about the daughter
994
00:46:45,553 --> 00:46:47,222
being kind of famous.
995
00:46:47,263 --> 00:46:48,348
♪♪♪
996
00:46:50,266 --> 00:46:52,060
Lorena: Everybody thought
that after the trial,
997
00:46:52,101 --> 00:46:53,895
everybody's gonna be fine
and--and okay,
998
00:46:53,937 --> 00:46:59,609
but my family and myself,
we have to go through a lot.
999
00:46:59,651 --> 00:47:01,319
♪♪♪
1000
00:47:01,361 --> 00:47:04,239
After the trial,
my family came from Venezuela.
1001
00:47:04,280 --> 00:47:07,283
So I know
I have the support,
1002
00:47:07,325 --> 00:47:09,994
but they didn't
have the legal status
1003
00:47:10,036 --> 00:47:12,163
to work
in the United States.
1004
00:47:12,205 --> 00:47:13,831
♪♪♪
1005
00:47:13,873 --> 00:47:17,085
I felt obligated
to help my family,
1006
00:47:17,126 --> 00:47:19,671
but I also felt that
all I wanted to do
1007
00:47:19,712 --> 00:47:23,716
was, uh, go back to school
and, obviously, have a job.
1008
00:47:23,758 --> 00:47:26,219
♪♪♪
1009
00:47:26,261 --> 00:47:31,182
What happened had a big effect
on my family.
1010
00:47:31,224 --> 00:47:34,978
They didn't
know how to handle it.
1011
00:47:35,019 --> 00:47:37,313
There was a lot of tension.
1012
00:47:37,355 --> 00:47:40,567
At one point, you know,
my family and I,
1013
00:47:40,608 --> 00:47:42,277
we just didn't talk.
1014
00:47:43,861 --> 00:47:47,699
They didn't know
how to help me.
1015
00:47:47,740 --> 00:47:51,077
They wanted to help me,
but they didn't know how to.
1016
00:47:51,119 --> 00:47:55,873
[birds twittering]
1017
00:47:55,915 --> 00:47:58,585
I think it was
after a year or so,
1018
00:47:58,626 --> 00:48:02,547
the turning point
in my life came.
1019
00:48:02,589 --> 00:48:05,466
♪♪♪
1020
00:48:05,508 --> 00:48:09,554
I started to go to shelters
and talk about my experience
1021
00:48:09,596 --> 00:48:14,058
as a victim
of domestic violence.
1022
00:48:14,100 --> 00:48:18,813
It was difficult at times
to--to share the stories,
1023
00:48:18,855 --> 00:48:22,442
but the more I talked to them,
the more I found out that
1024
00:48:22,483 --> 00:48:25,695
their stories
are the same as mine.
1025
00:48:25,737 --> 00:48:29,866
I realized that I'm not alone,
1026
00:48:29,907 --> 00:48:34,120
and I wanted to keep
talking more about it.
1027
00:48:34,162 --> 00:48:35,997
♪♪♪
1028
00:48:36,039 --> 00:48:38,750
I was getting
stronger and stronger.
1029
00:48:38,791 --> 00:48:41,502
I was healing.
1030
00:48:41,544 --> 00:48:44,589
And that's what lift me up,
1031
00:48:44,631 --> 00:48:47,091
and that's how I did it.
1032
00:48:48,843 --> 00:48:49,969
♪♪♪
1033
00:49:06,152 --> 00:49:09,238
Look, I kinda--
kinda relate to Lorena,
1034
00:49:09,280 --> 00:49:11,532
'cause my--my mother
went through the same thing.
1035
00:49:11,574 --> 00:49:16,037
♪♪♪
1036
00:49:16,079 --> 00:49:18,915
There was a lot of anger
in my family with my dad
1037
00:49:18,956 --> 00:49:20,750
and he was abusive.
1038
00:49:20,792 --> 00:49:26,547
♪♪♪
1039
00:49:26,589 --> 00:49:31,219
My uncles, you know,
would come over and beat him up
1040
00:49:31,260 --> 00:49:35,390
because he was...
being violent or touching
1041
00:49:35,431 --> 00:49:37,308
their sister or...
whatever.
1042
00:49:37,350 --> 00:49:39,811
♪♪♪
1043
00:49:39,852 --> 00:49:42,146
Eventually,
he ended up leaving,
1044
00:49:42,188 --> 00:49:45,733
and, um, my mother
had a mental breakdown.
1045
00:49:45,775 --> 00:49:48,528
Very, very loving lady,
but, um...
1046
00:49:48,569 --> 00:49:50,405
♪♪♪
1047
00:49:50,446 --> 00:49:52,031
...she couldn't handle
taking care of the children
1048
00:49:52,073 --> 00:49:53,533
and being
in the condition she was in.
1049
00:49:53,574 --> 00:49:56,661
♪♪♪
1050
00:49:56,703 --> 00:50:00,039
Father left us,
so we lived in a ghetto.
1051
00:50:00,081 --> 00:50:02,375
At the time,
there was a lot of hatred there.
1052
00:50:02,417 --> 00:50:04,335
♪♪♪
1053
00:50:04,377 --> 00:50:07,630
We were attacked
by, uh, African Americans...
1054
00:50:07,672 --> 00:50:10,675
'cause we were the only white
family in a black community.
1055
00:50:10,717 --> 00:50:14,429
And, uh, my mother
was raped twi--twice,
1056
00:50:14,470 --> 00:50:17,724
and, they, uh, attacked me,
knocked me down,
1057
00:50:17,765 --> 00:50:19,016
busted my head open.
1058
00:50:19,058 --> 00:50:21,602
♪♪♪
1059
00:50:21,644 --> 00:50:25,314
They burned down our house,
so my uncle had to come save us.
1060
00:50:25,356 --> 00:50:29,318
♪♪♪
1061
00:50:29,360 --> 00:50:30,987
Me and my two brothers
were brought
1062
00:50:31,028 --> 00:50:32,321
into my
aunt and uncle's family.
1063
00:50:32,363 --> 00:50:34,490
♪♪♪
1064
00:50:34,532 --> 00:50:36,659
There were six boys,
1065
00:50:36,701 --> 00:50:39,620
um, so we all
grew up together.
1066
00:50:39,662 --> 00:50:42,665
My biological mother,
she would come around sometimes
1067
00:50:42,707 --> 00:50:44,208
during the holidays.
1068
00:50:44,250 --> 00:50:47,420
♪♪♪
1069
00:50:47,462 --> 00:50:53,134
But she--she didn't come around,
uh, that much, uh, after that.
1070
00:50:53,176 --> 00:50:55,762
Pretty much--pretty much
kept to herself.
1071
00:50:55,803 --> 00:50:56,846
And, uh...
1072
00:50:56,888 --> 00:51:00,767
♪♪♪
1073
00:51:00,808 --> 00:51:03,561
Then we had
a--a pedophile uncle
1074
00:51:03,603 --> 00:51:05,396
that kind of abused us.
1075
00:51:05,438 --> 00:51:07,023
♪♪♪
1076
00:51:07,064 --> 00:51:09,150
We were six, seven, eight.
1077
00:51:09,192 --> 00:51:10,234
♪♪♪
1078
00:51:12,653 --> 00:51:15,823
He's passed away now,
but you know, we kinda--
1079
00:51:15,865 --> 00:51:19,035
we were young and did alcohol
and was involved and, you know--
1080
00:51:19,076 --> 00:51:21,621
he, you know,
molest--molested some of us
1081
00:51:21,662 --> 00:51:25,583
and, you know--
we don't talk about it.
1082
00:51:25,625 --> 00:51:28,586
You know? So, uh...
1083
00:51:30,755 --> 00:51:32,507
Yeah, so...
1084
00:51:34,175 --> 00:51:35,301
Yeah.
1085
00:51:37,345 --> 00:51:38,471
Yeah.
1086
00:51:48,523 --> 00:51:51,984
Lorena: My path
to the American dream
1087
00:51:52,026 --> 00:51:55,071
had a lot of bumps,
1088
00:51:55,112 --> 00:51:59,116
but nothing really stopped me
from getting it.
1089
00:51:59,158 --> 00:52:02,078
♪♪♪
1090
00:52:02,119 --> 00:52:04,747
So I decided
to go to school.
1091
00:52:04,789 --> 00:52:09,001
I went to college
and I met David.
1092
00:52:09,043 --> 00:52:13,464
We start as friends
and then our relationship grew.
1093
00:52:13,506 --> 00:52:15,049
♪♪♪
1094
00:52:15,091 --> 00:52:17,176
The relationship
changed my life
1095
00:52:17,218 --> 00:52:20,805
because he showed kindness
1096
00:52:20,847 --> 00:52:24,433
and, uh, loyalty and--and it was
very important for me.
1097
00:52:24,475 --> 00:52:28,729
Friendship turned into love.
1098
00:52:28,771 --> 00:52:30,857
♪♪♪
1099
00:52:35,736 --> 00:52:37,488
David Bellinger:
Ever since I've known her,
1100
00:52:37,530 --> 00:52:41,367
she's always tried to help
women and children.
1101
00:52:41,409 --> 00:52:43,286
20-something years old,
you know,
1102
00:52:43,327 --> 00:52:47,123
struggling, but also finding
a way to go to the local shelter
1103
00:52:47,164 --> 00:52:49,041
and buy, you know,
1104
00:52:49,083 --> 00:52:51,043
eight kids and their parents
Christmas presents.
1105
00:52:51,085 --> 00:52:52,879
She's not the messenger.
1106
00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:55,423
She's the one that goes in
and gets the stuff done.
1107
00:52:55,464 --> 00:52:57,508
She's making the phone call,
or she's gonna be the one
1108
00:52:57,550 --> 00:52:58,676
meeting the women.
1109
00:52:58,718 --> 00:53:00,469
She gives these women hope.
1110
00:53:00,511 --> 00:53:01,637
And that's
the most important thing
1111
00:53:01,679 --> 00:53:02,722
is she's there for 'em.
1112
00:53:02,763 --> 00:53:04,557
♪♪♪
1113
00:53:04,599 --> 00:53:06,976
Lorena:
I basically serve people.
1114
00:53:07,018 --> 00:53:08,686
To me,
that was very important
1115
00:53:08,728 --> 00:53:12,982
to--to give, you know...
anything.
1116
00:53:13,024 --> 00:53:15,484
What--what
made you take it, though?
1117
00:53:15,526 --> 00:53:19,405
I mean, you cut it off--why you
leave with it? That's what I--
1118
00:53:19,447 --> 00:53:21,240
[laughter]
1119
00:53:21,282 --> 00:53:23,367
You--you didn't think to just
like lay it on the pillow,
1120
00:53:23,409 --> 00:53:24,702
so when he wake up--
1121
00:53:24,744 --> 00:53:26,746
you wake up...
1122
00:53:26,787 --> 00:53:30,041
[laughter]
1123
00:53:30,082 --> 00:53:36,088
I look at the media
as a double-edged sword.
1124
00:53:36,130 --> 00:53:40,885
If I have a comedian
like Steve Harvey, for example,
1125
00:53:40,927 --> 00:53:42,970
I understand
what I was getting into
1126
00:53:43,012 --> 00:53:44,597
when I got an invitation
from him.
1127
00:53:44,639 --> 00:53:46,140
But when you threw it
out the window, though...
1128
00:53:46,182 --> 00:53:47,516
- Yeah.
- ...that's the part--
1129
00:53:47,558 --> 00:53:50,186
- Now we got to go find it.
- Yes.
1130
00:53:50,227 --> 00:53:52,438
Lorena: I knew that the jokes
are gonna be there,
1131
00:53:52,480 --> 00:53:57,109
but as long
as I shine a light on the issue
1132
00:53:57,151 --> 00:53:58,819
of domestic violence,
1133
00:53:58,861 --> 00:54:02,531
how bad it is,
it's worth it.
1134
00:54:02,573 --> 00:54:03,908
[laughter]
1135
00:54:03,950 --> 00:54:05,201
Well, I'm glad
that after 22 years,
1136
00:54:05,242 --> 00:54:06,786
you still laugh about it.
1137
00:54:06,827 --> 00:54:09,121
And I'm here to tell you,
and to tell everyone,
1138
00:54:09,163 --> 00:54:12,458
what happened when a woman
gets abused by a man.
1139
00:54:12,500 --> 00:54:14,710
[cheers and applause]
1140
00:54:14,752 --> 00:54:21,008
I went through the whole ordeal
to have women understand that--
1141
00:54:21,050 --> 00:54:22,969
that they're not alone,
1142
00:54:23,010 --> 00:54:26,597
and they can escape domestic
violence if they need to,
1143
00:54:26,639 --> 00:54:30,726
and claim their lives again
like I did.
1144
00:54:45,992 --> 00:54:51,455
These are letters
that John has sent to me.
1145
00:54:51,497 --> 00:54:53,958
Some of them
I haven't opened.
1146
00:54:54,000 --> 00:54:57,962
So it says,
"Dear Lorena,
1147
00:54:58,004 --> 00:55:00,381
"I miss you very much,
1148
00:55:00,423 --> 00:55:07,096
"and if there was a choice
to have any woman in the world,
1149
00:55:07,138 --> 00:55:09,265
"it will be you.
1150
00:55:09,306 --> 00:55:11,559
"I love my wife.
1151
00:55:11,600 --> 00:55:14,895
"I love your--your heart,
1152
00:55:14,937 --> 00:55:17,898
"and I love you very much.
1153
00:55:17,940 --> 00:55:23,320
"From your cold,
unsensitive husband--
1154
00:55:23,362 --> 00:55:24,989
"I just wanted
to let you know
1155
00:55:25,031 --> 00:55:27,575
"that I thought
about you today,
1156
00:55:27,616 --> 00:55:33,706
"and like always,
it made me smile.
1157
00:55:33,748 --> 00:55:36,625
"You are also
in my dreams.
1158
00:55:36,667 --> 00:55:38,919
Love always, John."
1159
00:55:38,961 --> 00:55:40,421
♪♪♪
1160
00:55:40,463 --> 00:55:44,341
"Lorena, do you remember
when you told me
1161
00:55:44,383 --> 00:55:48,971
"that I didn't know
how to treat a woman?
1162
00:55:49,013 --> 00:55:53,726
"Well, you were right.
1163
00:55:53,768 --> 00:55:57,730
"I didn't know how
to treat or love you.
1164
00:55:57,772 --> 00:56:01,817
"I did take a long hard look
at myself,
1165
00:56:01,859 --> 00:56:05,780
"and I deeply regret
being the way I was.
1166
00:56:05,821 --> 00:56:11,577
"And I think it has
a lot to do with being...
1167
00:56:11,619 --> 00:56:15,206
♪♪♪
1168
00:56:15,247 --> 00:56:19,418
"...a coldhearted,
insensitive,
1169
00:56:19,460 --> 00:56:23,964
"self-centered,
combat warrior.
1170
00:56:24,006 --> 00:56:26,550
♪♪♪
1171
00:56:26,592 --> 00:56:31,472
"That's the way
I always felt.
1172
00:56:31,514 --> 00:56:36,727
"I should've been
a kind, caring, and sensitive,
1173
00:56:36,769 --> 00:56:41,982
loving, unselfish husband
that understand my wife."
1174
00:56:42,024 --> 00:56:45,152
♪♪♪
1175
00:56:45,194 --> 00:56:49,949
And he signed it
"Your Eternal Flame."
1176
00:56:49,990 --> 00:56:52,409
♪♪♪
1177
00:56:52,451 --> 00:56:56,372
Through all the years he have
tried to keep in touch with me
1178
00:56:56,413 --> 00:57:00,084
by sending me,
on Valentine's, cards,
1179
00:57:00,126 --> 00:57:02,795
and, uh, "I love you."
1180
00:57:02,837 --> 00:57:06,090
Sending correspondence
to the places
1181
00:57:06,132 --> 00:57:07,091
that I used to work.
1182
00:57:07,133 --> 00:57:09,510
♪♪♪
1183
00:57:09,552 --> 00:57:11,345
And why would he do this?
You know.
1184
00:57:11,387 --> 00:57:13,931
Why would he
just keep following me?
1185
00:57:13,973 --> 00:57:19,603
♪♪♪
1186
00:57:19,645 --> 00:57:23,482
I think
she contacted me first.
1187
00:57:23,524 --> 00:57:25,151
Uh, and--and she
basically wanted to know
1188
00:57:25,192 --> 00:57:26,986
how much money I had
and this and that,
1189
00:57:27,027 --> 00:57:30,948
so, um, I really
didn't get into it.
1190
00:57:30,990 --> 00:57:34,243
And then later, I tried
to contact her for closure.
1191
00:57:34,285 --> 00:57:40,958
♪♪♪
1192
00:57:41,000 --> 00:57:43,669
Yeah, I wish--wish we could've
done things differently.
1193
00:57:43,711 --> 00:57:45,504
Wish--wish--wish
we could've talked,
1194
00:57:45,546 --> 00:57:48,924
wish we could've
figured things out,
1195
00:57:48,966 --> 00:57:50,509
had a family together.
1196
00:57:50,551 --> 00:57:51,844
♪♪♪
1197
00:57:53,637 --> 00:57:55,890
Me and Lorena
getting back together,
1198
00:57:55,931 --> 00:58:00,060
that would be the ultimate love,
the ultimate forgiveness--
1199
00:58:00,102 --> 00:58:02,229
that we, you know,
sit down and reason things out,
1200
00:58:02,271 --> 00:58:05,024
and basically go over
everything we went through,
1201
00:58:05,065 --> 00:58:08,903
and say, "You know what?
We were young.
1202
00:58:08,944 --> 00:58:12,406
There's a lot we didn't know."
Bury the hatchet, so to speak.
1203
00:58:13,824 --> 00:58:15,284
[snickers]
1204
00:58:17,661 --> 00:58:21,373
I mean, it's--you know,
leave me alone.
1205
00:58:21,415 --> 00:58:25,127
I mean, it's--it's like,
I cut his penis off.
1206
00:58:25,169 --> 00:58:26,962
I mean, just leave me alone.
1207
00:58:30,090 --> 00:58:31,258
♪♪♪
1208
00:58:49,985 --> 00:58:54,698
David Kaplan: This story
was a modern love story.
1209
00:58:54,740 --> 00:58:57,993
Boy meets girl,
boy falls in love with girl,
1210
00:58:58,035 --> 00:59:02,998
boy marries girl,
boy abuses girl,
1211
00:59:03,040 --> 00:59:06,293
girl cuts off boy's penis,
1212
00:59:06,335 --> 00:59:10,256
national controversy
and trial ensue.
1213
00:59:10,297 --> 00:59:13,008
Jeltsen:
Every man was imagining,
1214
00:59:13,050 --> 00:59:15,636
"What would this be like
if this happened to me?"
1215
00:59:15,678 --> 00:59:18,514
Every woman was wondering
what it would take
1216
00:59:18,555 --> 00:59:19,890
to do something like that,
1217
00:59:19,932 --> 00:59:21,642
and for many of them,
they knew.
1218
00:59:21,684 --> 00:59:23,894
♪♪♪
1219
00:59:23,936 --> 00:59:25,229
Fletcher: Over the years,
I've come to see
1220
00:59:25,271 --> 00:59:28,357
how people could flip out,
1221
00:59:28,399 --> 00:59:31,110
'cause I've come to that point
a couple times to myself,
1222
00:59:31,151 --> 00:59:33,529
where I could've
went over the edge
1223
00:59:33,570 --> 00:59:35,197
and done something.
1224
00:59:35,239 --> 00:59:39,493
I'm glad I didn't,
but eventually, you get there
1225
00:59:39,535 --> 00:59:40,619
and you understand.
1226
00:59:40,661 --> 00:59:43,914
♪♪♪
1227
00:59:43,956 --> 00:59:46,625
They can cut
a million clits off in Africa,
1228
00:59:46,667 --> 00:59:48,419
and nobody hears a word.
1229
00:59:48,460 --> 00:59:51,922
Cut one dick off, and the whole
fuckin' country stops.
1230
00:59:51,964 --> 00:59:54,258
[laughs]
You know?
1231
00:59:54,300 --> 00:59:55,759
It's a man's world.
1232
00:59:55,801 --> 00:59:57,678
♪♪♪
1233
00:59:57,720 --> 01:00:01,015
Gandy:
If Lorena's story hit today,
1234
01:00:01,056 --> 01:00:04,685
Fox News would take the place
of Howard Stern,
1235
01:00:04,727 --> 01:00:10,274
and the 24-hour news cycle
would focus on what she did
1236
01:00:10,316 --> 01:00:11,692
rather than what he did.
1237
01:00:11,734 --> 01:00:13,861
[engine revs]
1238
01:00:13,902 --> 01:00:15,779
What it meant in 1993
is not that different
1239
01:00:15,821 --> 01:00:16,947
from what it means today.
1240
01:00:16,989 --> 01:00:19,533
There is a battle
of the sexes.
1241
01:00:19,575 --> 01:00:23,495
We have just seen a whole
'nother supercharged element
1242
01:00:23,537 --> 01:00:24,872
with all
of the Harvey Weinstein,
1243
01:00:24,913 --> 01:00:26,373
and Trump
in the White House.
1244
01:00:26,415 --> 01:00:30,002
It's the same story.
1245
01:00:30,044 --> 01:00:32,421
It's that we never
got to a point of--
1246
01:00:32,463 --> 01:00:34,631
anything that's
truly equality.
1247
01:00:34,673 --> 01:00:38,886
Keegan: We were being
entertained on the fodder
1248
01:00:38,927 --> 01:00:42,306
of someone else's
real, human suffering.
1249
01:00:42,348 --> 01:00:44,683
♪♪♪
1250
01:00:44,725 --> 01:00:46,894
It's still going on.
1251
01:00:46,935 --> 01:00:51,231
♪♪♪
1252
01:00:51,273 --> 01:00:53,692
And I don't know
when we're gonna wake up.
1253
01:00:53,734 --> 01:00:54,860
♪♪♪
1254
01:01:22,054 --> 01:01:23,430
♪♪♪
1255
01:01:23,480 --> 01:01:28,030
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