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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:10,678 --> 00:00:12,304 ♪♪♪ 2 00:00:25,151 --> 00:00:29,113 Kim Gandy: It happens every day in the United States. 3 00:00:29,155 --> 00:00:31,407 Hundreds, even thousands of women 4 00:00:31,449 --> 00:00:36,162 who are tortured and beaten and treated in ways 5 00:00:36,203 --> 00:00:39,915 that would be unthinkable to any human. 6 00:00:39,957 --> 00:00:42,626 Jane Pauley: What happened in the case of your first husband? 7 00:00:42,668 --> 00:00:44,879 When I came to, I was in the hospital, 8 00:00:44,920 --> 00:00:48,132 and the police asked me if I wanted to press charges, 9 00:00:48,174 --> 00:00:50,384 and I told them yes. 10 00:00:50,426 --> 00:00:53,345 And they had asked me if I had any witnesses. 11 00:00:53,387 --> 00:00:55,014 Pauley: And you'd been beaten by a tire iron 12 00:00:55,055 --> 00:00:56,640 and--and woke up in the hospital, 13 00:00:56,682 --> 00:00:58,017 and yet they still needed some corroboration? 14 00:00:58,058 --> 00:00:59,685 Right. 15 00:00:59,727 --> 00:01:02,980 Gandy: The Bobbitt case came at a time 16 00:01:03,022 --> 00:01:05,483 when the criminal justice system 17 00:01:05,524 --> 00:01:09,236 didn't take domestic violence and sexual assault seriously, 18 00:01:09,278 --> 00:01:13,574 and there simply was not a real national dialogue 19 00:01:13,616 --> 00:01:15,743 about domestic violence. 20 00:01:15,785 --> 00:01:18,621 Woman: How many more men are gonna go out there raping women? 21 00:01:18,662 --> 00:01:20,414 When is domestic violence gonna end? 22 00:01:20,456 --> 00:01:22,750 When is our system gonna explore the issue 23 00:01:22,792 --> 00:01:24,376 and do something about it 24 00:01:24,418 --> 00:01:27,296 so women do not have to be pushed to the extreme 25 00:01:27,338 --> 00:01:29,590 of taking matters into their own hand? 26 00:01:29,632 --> 00:01:31,759 This is not just about Lorena Bobbitt. 27 00:01:31,801 --> 00:01:35,304 What affects one affects us all. 28 00:01:35,346 --> 00:01:38,265 Gandy: Many of us saw this case as an opportunity 29 00:01:38,307 --> 00:01:41,435 to bring domestic violence into the public eye. 30 00:01:41,477 --> 00:01:45,064 And I know that there were a lot of women 31 00:01:45,105 --> 00:01:49,151 who were holding their breath for her, 32 00:01:49,193 --> 00:01:53,948 who saw themselves in her plight, 33 00:01:53,989 --> 00:01:58,160 who thought, "If I did something to extricate myself 34 00:01:58,202 --> 00:02:01,539 from this situation, what would happen to me? 35 00:02:01,580 --> 00:02:03,082 Would there be mercy?" 36 00:02:03,123 --> 00:02:04,458 ♪♪♪ 37 00:02:17,930 --> 00:02:19,515 David Kaplan: David Kaplan. 38 00:02:19,557 --> 00:02:21,058 Man: I have to ask you, as the justice editor, 39 00:02:21,100 --> 00:02:22,768 what you think of the trial itself. 40 00:02:22,810 --> 00:02:23,894 Kaplan: This isn't that complicated. 41 00:02:23,936 --> 00:02:25,688 She admits what she did. 42 00:02:25,729 --> 00:02:27,815 She says she had a good excuse for it. 43 00:02:27,857 --> 00:02:31,068 She was a very good witness in trying to explain it. 44 00:02:31,110 --> 00:02:33,320 It's now up to the jury. 45 00:02:33,362 --> 00:02:35,948 Bailiff: Remain seated. Come to order. This court's in session. 46 00:02:39,034 --> 00:02:40,411 Judge: Counsel, the jury has indicated 47 00:02:40,452 --> 00:02:42,079 they do have a verdict at this time. 48 00:02:42,162 --> 00:02:45,124 I'll ask the bailiff to please bring the jury down. 49 00:02:45,165 --> 00:02:50,087 Lorena: My life was in the hands of jurors. 50 00:02:50,129 --> 00:02:52,423 They're the ones who are gonna decide 51 00:02:52,464 --> 00:02:54,383 whether you're going to jail or not, 52 00:02:54,425 --> 00:02:57,595 whether you're going to be free or not. 53 00:03:00,055 --> 00:03:02,266 Woman: Will the defendant please stand? 54 00:03:04,393 --> 00:03:06,270 In the case of Commonwealth of Virginia 55 00:03:06,312 --> 00:03:08,772 versus Lorena Leonor Bobbitt, 56 00:03:08,814 --> 00:03:11,942 criminal number 33821, 57 00:03:11,984 --> 00:03:15,654 we the jury find the defendant Lorena Leonor Bobbitt 58 00:03:15,696 --> 00:03:17,364 - not guilty... - [woman screams] 59 00:03:17,406 --> 00:03:20,117 ...of malicious wounding as charged in the indictment 60 00:03:20,159 --> 00:03:22,411 by reason of insanity-- 61 00:03:22,453 --> 00:03:26,206 signed, Clay S. Cocalis, foreperson. 62 00:03:26,248 --> 00:03:28,626 [crowd cheering] 63 00:03:28,667 --> 00:03:33,881 ♪♪♪ 64 00:03:33,923 --> 00:03:34,924 [weeping] 65 00:03:34,965 --> 00:03:36,759 [indistinct] 66 00:03:36,800 --> 00:03:39,929 Lorena: When she read the verdict "not guilty," 67 00:03:39,970 --> 00:03:44,224 I felt like, "Oh, my God. This is gonna be good." 68 00:03:44,266 --> 00:03:46,602 [cheering continues] 69 00:03:46,644 --> 00:03:49,063 Cocalis: So, it was 11 to 1 at one point 70 00:03:49,104 --> 00:03:51,440 where I was the only holdout. 71 00:03:51,482 --> 00:03:55,611 Most of the jurors, whether they would admit to it or not, 72 00:03:55,653 --> 00:03:58,530 might have thought that Lorena was guilty, 73 00:03:58,572 --> 00:04:01,033 but they didn't want to see her punished 74 00:04:01,075 --> 00:04:04,328 because of--of the way her husband John 75 00:04:04,370 --> 00:04:06,038 had treated her in the past. 76 00:04:06,080 --> 00:04:09,041 Judge: Does either counsel wish for the jury to be... 77 00:04:09,083 --> 00:04:11,877 Cocalis: They felt that he got what he deserved, 78 00:04:11,919 --> 00:04:15,881 but ultimately, I kind of just acquiesced and said, "Okay." 79 00:04:15,923 --> 00:04:17,925 Judge: The jury in this particular case 80 00:04:17,967 --> 00:04:20,761 found her not guilty by reason of insanity, 81 00:04:20,803 --> 00:04:25,724 and pursuant to 19.2-182.2 where a jury makes such a finding, 82 00:04:25,766 --> 00:04:27,434 it does set forth and says 83 00:04:27,476 --> 00:04:30,437 that the court shall place the person so acquitted 84 00:04:30,479 --> 00:04:32,356 in the temporary custody 85 00:04:32,398 --> 00:04:33,857 of the commissioner of mental health and mental retardation 86 00:04:33,899 --> 00:04:35,693 and this court will do that. 87 00:04:35,734 --> 00:04:37,695 If Your Honor please, we would ask that Your Honor set... 88 00:04:37,736 --> 00:04:40,739 I didn't understand. Something is wrong. 89 00:04:40,781 --> 00:04:42,700 I mean, she just read the verdict 90 00:04:42,741 --> 00:04:44,868 saying that I'm not guilty. 91 00:04:44,910 --> 00:04:46,203 Judge: Ms. Bobbitt, I remand your custody 92 00:04:46,245 --> 00:04:47,746 over to the bailiff, 93 00:04:47,788 --> 00:04:49,123 so there can be appropriate transportation 94 00:04:49,164 --> 00:04:51,458 to the commissioner of mental health. 95 00:04:51,500 --> 00:04:55,421 Lorena: And then, two police officers took me away. 96 00:04:55,462 --> 00:04:59,383 [indistinct chatter] 97 00:04:59,425 --> 00:05:02,553 Lorena: Just couldn't understand what's going on. 98 00:05:09,727 --> 00:05:11,937 We had discussed the--the possible verdicts 99 00:05:11,979 --> 00:05:13,689 in this case, 100 00:05:13,731 --> 00:05:15,858 and she fully understood that in the event 101 00:05:15,899 --> 00:05:17,818 of a "not guilty by reason of insanity," 102 00:05:17,860 --> 00:05:20,529 that by statute, uh, there's a mandate. 103 00:05:20,571 --> 00:05:22,614 There was confusion in her mind. 104 00:05:22,656 --> 00:05:25,284 It wasn't "not guilty" and that's--that's it. 105 00:05:25,325 --> 00:05:28,662 But she was charged with malicious wounding, 106 00:05:28,704 --> 00:05:33,042 and she could've gotten a very, very long prison sentence, 107 00:05:33,083 --> 00:05:36,211 and it is, uh, in Virginia recognized, 108 00:05:36,253 --> 00:05:37,880 if you're found, uh, 109 00:05:37,921 --> 00:05:40,674 not guilty by reason of irresistible impulse, 110 00:05:40,716 --> 00:05:44,386 then--then you're not criminally responsible. 111 00:05:44,428 --> 00:05:46,597 [crowd chanting] 112 00:05:46,638 --> 00:05:48,974 Female reporter: Acquittal by reason of temporary insanity 113 00:05:49,016 --> 00:05:51,643 does not mean Lorena Bobbitt is a free woman. 114 00:05:51,685 --> 00:05:54,938 Virginia law requires she be sent to a state mental hospital 115 00:05:54,980 --> 00:05:57,191 to undergo evaluation. 116 00:05:57,232 --> 00:06:01,487 He should be the one who be in jail, not me. 117 00:06:15,751 --> 00:06:17,961 Male announcer: The verdict is in in Manassas, 118 00:06:18,003 --> 00:06:19,797 but the case isn't closed. 119 00:06:19,838 --> 00:06:22,883 Bobbitt's argument, sad and violent as it was, 120 00:06:22,925 --> 00:06:25,010 certainly made for provocative TV, 121 00:06:25,052 --> 00:06:27,096 but will it make a difference? 122 00:06:27,137 --> 00:06:32,684 ♪♪♪ 123 00:06:32,726 --> 00:06:35,187 Man: If she didn't do it, who did it? 124 00:06:35,229 --> 00:06:37,481 I don't think it was self-inflicted. 125 00:06:37,523 --> 00:06:38,607 I think it's crazy. 126 00:06:38,649 --> 00:06:43,028 ♪♪♪ 127 00:06:43,070 --> 00:06:45,072 She deserves everything good that she has coming. 128 00:06:45,114 --> 00:06:46,573 Should get some help... 129 00:06:46,615 --> 00:06:48,075 so she doesn't react that way next time. 130 00:06:48,117 --> 00:06:50,244 Woman: Because her husband got off 131 00:06:50,285 --> 00:06:51,912 and I think he was just as guilty. 132 00:06:51,954 --> 00:06:53,288 And if they let him off, 133 00:06:53,330 --> 00:06:55,040 they should've left-- let her off too. 134 00:06:55,082 --> 00:06:57,417 Larry King: Because this debate rages tonight 135 00:06:57,459 --> 00:06:59,670 in offices and bars and restaurants everywhere, 136 00:06:59,711 --> 00:07:02,131 we give you Patricia Ireland, 137 00:07:02,172 --> 00:07:04,299 president of the National Organization for Women, 138 00:07:04,341 --> 00:07:05,926 and Sidney Siller, founder and president-- 139 00:07:05,968 --> 00:07:08,428 National Organization for Men. 140 00:07:08,470 --> 00:07:10,180 Is this a feminist issue? 141 00:07:10,222 --> 00:07:13,100 Well, certainly, violence against women or spousal abuse 142 00:07:13,142 --> 00:07:14,726 is a feminist issue. 143 00:07:14,768 --> 00:07:16,311 It's why we think this case really underscores 144 00:07:16,353 --> 00:07:17,855 the need for Congress, 145 00:07:17,896 --> 00:07:19,439 when it comes back into session next week, 146 00:07:19,481 --> 00:07:21,358 to get about the business of passing 147 00:07:21,400 --> 00:07:23,318 a comprehensive Violence Against Women Act. 148 00:07:23,360 --> 00:07:26,155 All right, Sidney, what was it to you and your organization? 149 00:07:26,196 --> 00:07:28,532 I think it's justice run amok. 150 00:07:28,574 --> 00:07:31,785 I think it was a barbaric, Neanderthal, uh, act 151 00:07:31,827 --> 00:07:33,745 that, uh, Lorena Bobbitt committed. 152 00:07:33,787 --> 00:07:35,789 She should've been found guilty, 153 00:07:35,831 --> 00:07:38,167 and I think it's a travesty and miscarriage of justice. 154 00:07:38,208 --> 00:07:39,918 - The-- - In other words, 155 00:07:39,960 --> 00:07:41,712 "You can't retaliate if you're abused." 156 00:07:41,753 --> 00:07:46,091 You can only retaliate with equal force to resist. 157 00:07:46,133 --> 00:07:48,177 You cannot use excessive force. 158 00:07:48,218 --> 00:07:50,721 That's the common law and generally accepted theories 159 00:07:50,762 --> 00:07:52,514 - of self-defense. - King: I see. 160 00:07:52,556 --> 00:07:58,020 Nobody was more upset than the Bobbitt family itself. 161 00:07:58,061 --> 00:08:00,522 Is there any possibility in your mind-- 162 00:08:00,564 --> 00:08:02,232 Bill, I know this is hard, it's your son-- 163 00:08:02,274 --> 00:08:04,484 that they both were wrong? 164 00:08:04,526 --> 00:08:06,862 To a degree, but I don't believe 165 00:08:06,904 --> 00:08:09,406 that John raped her or beat her. 166 00:08:09,448 --> 00:08:11,783 What do you do now, Bill? 167 00:08:11,825 --> 00:08:13,869 What's John gonna do? 168 00:08:13,911 --> 00:08:15,704 We're hoping that John's gonna have the opportunity 169 00:08:15,746 --> 00:08:18,624 to go out and be able to tell people his side. 170 00:08:18,665 --> 00:08:20,792 Uh, somebody said, "Well, John's not a rocket scientist." 171 00:08:20,834 --> 00:08:23,045 Well, he's not, but he's honest. 172 00:08:23,086 --> 00:08:28,175 and if they'd listen to him, that usually comes across. 173 00:08:28,217 --> 00:08:30,135 John Bobbitt: Devastating for me and everybody that watched. 174 00:08:30,177 --> 00:08:31,553 Ev-everybody's, like, shocked. 175 00:08:31,595 --> 00:08:32,638 It--it's bad. 176 00:08:32,679 --> 00:08:34,181 I mean, lost a loved one 177 00:08:34,223 --> 00:08:36,350 and the person who did it got away. 178 00:08:36,391 --> 00:08:39,686 ♪♪♪ 179 00:08:39,728 --> 00:08:43,690 And, you know, you want to seek revenge. 180 00:08:43,732 --> 00:08:46,318 You didn't get justice, but there's gotta be a way. 181 00:08:46,360 --> 00:08:48,237 Man: I'm afraid I'm gonna have to ask all of you to leave 182 00:08:48,278 --> 00:08:50,948 'cause you're interfering with the conduction of business 183 00:08:50,989 --> 00:08:52,574 in this restaurant. 184 00:08:52,616 --> 00:08:55,160 So would you please take your cameras outside? 185 00:08:55,202 --> 00:08:56,245 Thank you. 186 00:08:56,286 --> 00:09:04,628 ♪♪♪ 187 00:09:04,670 --> 00:09:11,593 Lorena: When I was driving to Central State Hospital, 188 00:09:11,635 --> 00:09:13,011 I was thinking, "There's gonna be 189 00:09:13,053 --> 00:09:16,098 all kind of crazy people there." 190 00:09:16,139 --> 00:09:20,769 You know, whatever I see in a movie or something. 191 00:09:20,811 --> 00:09:22,604 ♪♪♪ 192 00:09:22,646 --> 00:09:25,941 I didn't know what to expect. 193 00:09:25,983 --> 00:09:28,360 ♪♪♪ 194 00:09:28,402 --> 00:09:30,570 Evan Nelson: In Virginia, if someone's found 195 00:09:30,612 --> 00:09:32,406 not guilty by reason of insanity, 196 00:09:32,447 --> 00:09:35,284 folks get committed to the psychiatric hospital 197 00:09:35,325 --> 00:09:37,619 at the maximum security forensic unit 198 00:09:37,661 --> 00:09:40,998 at Central State Hospital for 45 days. 199 00:09:41,039 --> 00:09:44,626 ♪♪♪ 200 00:09:44,668 --> 00:09:46,712 It's an old-time psychiatric hospital 201 00:09:46,753 --> 00:09:50,132 with lots of security so that it feels sort of like a jail 202 00:09:50,173 --> 00:09:52,551 with a hospital mission. 203 00:09:52,592 --> 00:09:54,261 And during that 45 days, 204 00:09:54,303 --> 00:09:56,471 two docs are going to evaluate them-- 205 00:09:56,513 --> 00:10:00,267 one psychiatrist and one psychologist. 206 00:10:00,309 --> 00:10:04,563 Lorena: When we got there, when they opened the door, 207 00:10:04,604 --> 00:10:05,564 it was all eyes on me. 208 00:10:05,605 --> 00:10:07,441 They knew who I was. 209 00:10:07,482 --> 00:10:09,318 Female reporter: The verdict meant the jury bought 210 00:10:09,359 --> 00:10:12,279 the defense's contention that Lorena Bobbitt suffered 211 00:10:12,321 --> 00:10:14,448 so much abuse at the hands of her husband John... 212 00:10:14,489 --> 00:10:16,825 Lorena: I felt like I was falling apart. 213 00:10:16,867 --> 00:10:21,538 It's just the unknown part that I fear the most. 214 00:10:23,540 --> 00:10:25,959 Nelson: We had a problem with a helicopter making a flyby 215 00:10:26,001 --> 00:10:28,295 over the outside recreation area 216 00:10:28,337 --> 00:10:30,797 clearly shooting an aerial shot of Lorena Bobbitt 217 00:10:30,839 --> 00:10:32,716 outside having recreation time. 218 00:10:32,758 --> 00:10:36,303 Some high-profile TV personalities 219 00:10:36,345 --> 00:10:38,680 who wanted to speak with her tried to send her flowers 220 00:10:38,722 --> 00:10:40,349 to the hospital. 221 00:10:40,390 --> 00:10:43,894 It was really disruptive to the rest of the hospital 222 00:10:43,935 --> 00:10:47,397 to have this case that the media still wouldn't let up on. 223 00:10:47,439 --> 00:10:50,359 ♪♪♪ 224 00:10:50,400 --> 00:10:52,861 Alan Hauge: The head of the mental institution, 225 00:10:52,903 --> 00:10:54,196 called me on the phone, and they said, 226 00:10:54,237 --> 00:10:55,989 "I have Barbara Walters outside 227 00:10:56,031 --> 00:10:59,326 who is absolutely demanding an interview," 228 00:10:59,368 --> 00:11:02,579 with a huge ABC crew. 229 00:11:02,621 --> 00:11:04,623 And they're getting--they got the satellite dish up, 230 00:11:04,664 --> 00:11:06,083 and they--they're getting ready to do 231 00:11:06,124 --> 00:11:07,876 a, uh--a transmission. 232 00:11:07,918 --> 00:11:11,671 Barbara said, "I interview kings. 233 00:11:11,713 --> 00:11:14,007 "I interview presidents. 234 00:11:14,049 --> 00:11:17,427 And you're not gonna tell me I can't talk to Lorena Bobbitt." 235 00:11:17,469 --> 00:11:20,722 Uh, the woman says, "What do you want me to do?" 236 00:11:20,764 --> 00:11:22,641 I said, "What does Lorena say?" 237 00:11:22,682 --> 00:11:24,601 "Lorena said she doesn't want to do it." 238 00:11:24,643 --> 00:11:27,813 "So you go out and tell Barbara that this is an interview 239 00:11:27,854 --> 00:11:29,773 "she's not gonna get. 240 00:11:29,815 --> 00:11:31,817 So you go back and tell her that and give her my phone number." 241 00:11:31,858 --> 00:11:33,860 [phone ringing] 242 00:11:33,902 --> 00:11:35,487 Barbara was on hold for an hour, and I didn't pick it up, 243 00:11:35,529 --> 00:11:38,281 and the light finally went out. 244 00:11:38,323 --> 00:11:40,784 Four weeks later, she said, "Why didn't you choose me?" 245 00:11:40,826 --> 00:11:42,619 I said, "You're part of the Illuminati. 246 00:11:42,661 --> 00:11:44,413 "You're part of the Trilateral Commission. 247 00:11:44,454 --> 00:11:46,373 "You're part of the feminist movement. 248 00:11:46,415 --> 00:11:47,707 "Those are all things I don't want Lorena 249 00:11:47,749 --> 00:11:49,334 "to have anything to do with. 250 00:11:49,376 --> 00:11:51,503 I just want her to be able to tell the story." 251 00:11:51,545 --> 00:11:53,964 ♪♪♪ 252 00:11:54,005 --> 00:11:55,924 Gandy: One of the National Organization for Women's 253 00:11:55,966 --> 00:11:59,678 priorities was eliminating violence against women. 254 00:11:59,719 --> 00:12:03,056 We sent out press release after press release 255 00:12:03,098 --> 00:12:04,891 thinking that there were gonna be reporters 256 00:12:04,933 --> 00:12:06,810 who want to talk about this issue, 257 00:12:06,852 --> 00:12:09,604 who want to understand domestic violence, 258 00:12:09,646 --> 00:12:14,192 and understand what might have driven a victim 259 00:12:14,234 --> 00:12:15,735 to do what she did. 260 00:12:15,777 --> 00:12:22,617 But the public was so entranced by the act 261 00:12:22,659 --> 00:12:26,413 that they just couldn't really focus on anything else. 262 00:12:26,455 --> 00:12:28,832 Man: How much, uh, of his penis was cut off? 263 00:12:28,874 --> 00:12:31,001 Melissa Jeltsen: The huge, national and international 264 00:12:31,042 --> 00:12:33,420 media presence that descended for these cases 265 00:12:33,462 --> 00:12:36,006 really obscured the true story, 266 00:12:36,047 --> 00:12:38,592 which was Lorena Bobbitt's own victimization. 267 00:12:38,633 --> 00:12:39,926 Geraldo Rivera: One angry Virginia housewife 268 00:12:39,968 --> 00:12:42,637 cut off her husband's penis. 269 00:12:42,679 --> 00:12:43,847 Hugh Downs: What kind of a woman could strike out 270 00:12:43,889 --> 00:12:45,557 in such a shocking way? 271 00:12:45,599 --> 00:12:46,975 The pain was going through my mind for Christ sakes 272 00:12:47,017 --> 00:12:48,351 for this poor guy. 273 00:12:48,393 --> 00:12:49,853 Woman: Then she drove away 274 00:12:49,895 --> 00:12:52,022 and threw the penis into a field. 275 00:12:52,063 --> 00:12:53,732 No excuse for that. 276 00:12:53,773 --> 00:12:55,442 Male reporter: Lorena Bobbitt was portrayed 277 00:12:55,484 --> 00:12:57,235 by prosecution witnesses as a vicious woman 278 00:12:57,277 --> 00:12:59,196 who physically attacked her husband. 279 00:12:59,237 --> 00:13:01,072 Jeltsen: Doing research for my story, 280 00:13:01,114 --> 00:13:03,575 what I noticed is this portrayal of Lorena Bobbitt 281 00:13:03,617 --> 00:13:08,288 as a vengeful, crazy woman who just snapped for no reason, 282 00:13:08,330 --> 00:13:11,208 and that really missed the context of her story, 283 00:13:11,249 --> 00:13:13,126 uh, and did a disservice to domestic violence victims 284 00:13:13,168 --> 00:13:14,753 across the country. 285 00:13:14,794 --> 00:13:18,006 No woman should be treated like this-- 286 00:13:18,048 --> 00:13:19,758 like I was. 287 00:13:19,799 --> 00:13:23,136 Gandy: I think that domestic violence wasn't covered 288 00:13:23,178 --> 00:13:26,306 because the editors were men. 289 00:13:26,348 --> 00:13:28,016 There are a lot of women reporters 290 00:13:28,058 --> 00:13:30,185 that tried to write stories, 291 00:13:30,227 --> 00:13:32,562 and they would say, you know, "I tried to write this, 292 00:13:32,604 --> 00:13:35,357 and my editor said, "Oh. Nobody cares about that." 293 00:13:35,398 --> 00:13:39,903 That was a pretty common response. 294 00:13:39,945 --> 00:13:46,284 ♪♪♪ 295 00:13:46,326 --> 00:13:47,661 When she did it, uh, I was sleeping. 296 00:13:47,702 --> 00:13:49,538 - I was laying down... - Man: Yeah. 297 00:13:49,579 --> 00:13:51,831 ...flat on my back, you know, I was--you know, just exhausted. 298 00:13:51,873 --> 00:13:53,708 - I was in a deep sleep. - Man: Right. 299 00:13:53,750 --> 00:13:56,169 - And, um-- - Man: And you wake up... 300 00:13:56,211 --> 00:13:59,256 I felt a pull, and then, just a jerk, and, you know... 301 00:13:59,297 --> 00:14:06,596 ♪♪♪ 302 00:14:06,638 --> 00:14:10,183 America's most controversial performer in his first-ever 303 00:14:10,225 --> 00:14:11,851 gay nightclub appearance. 304 00:14:11,893 --> 00:14:14,104 Ladies and gentlemen-- and everybody else, 305 00:14:14,145 --> 00:14:16,147 Mr. John Wayne Bobbitt! 306 00:14:16,189 --> 00:14:17,148 Come on, let's hear it for him! 307 00:14:17,190 --> 00:14:18,942 [cheering] 308 00:14:18,984 --> 00:14:21,111 All right. They want me to strip. 309 00:14:21,152 --> 00:14:22,320 You guys want to see me strip-- 310 00:14:22,362 --> 00:14:24,447 [cheering and booing] 311 00:14:24,489 --> 00:14:27,617 Tonight John will be judging the Lorena look-alike contest 312 00:14:27,659 --> 00:14:29,661 featuring transvestites. 313 00:14:29,703 --> 00:14:31,538 [cheers and applause] 314 00:14:31,580 --> 00:14:34,124 Jack Gordon: John will strip. 315 00:14:34,165 --> 00:14:37,002 John will sell his underpants to the highest bidder. 316 00:14:37,043 --> 00:14:39,754 Male announcer: Just $100 for set of one, guys. 317 00:14:39,796 --> 00:14:42,048 John, if your mother could see you now. 318 00:14:42,090 --> 00:14:43,216 One, two... 319 00:14:43,258 --> 00:14:45,093 [cheering] 320 00:14:45,135 --> 00:14:46,803 Drag performer: Oh, come on! Let's hear it, everybody! 321 00:14:46,845 --> 00:14:50,515 I think the Bobbitt industry is worth, conservatively, 322 00:14:50,557 --> 00:14:51,766 $10 million. 323 00:14:51,808 --> 00:14:53,810 [camera clicks] 324 00:14:53,852 --> 00:14:55,645 John: This is just, you know, something to show everybody 325 00:14:55,687 --> 00:14:57,939 that, uh, I'm--I'm healed and fully functional. 326 00:14:57,981 --> 00:15:02,736 I still can have sex and, um, it doesn't leak, you know. 327 00:15:02,777 --> 00:15:05,780 Man: What--what's the storyline of this thing? 328 00:15:05,822 --> 00:15:07,198 John: Just basing it on my whole life. 329 00:15:19,836 --> 00:15:21,338 Really? Who's that? 330 00:15:21,379 --> 00:15:23,131 Aaron Gordon: We know that when people 331 00:15:23,173 --> 00:15:24,966 plop that video into their video cassette machine, 332 00:15:25,008 --> 00:15:26,968 they're gonna hit the fast forward button, 333 00:15:27,010 --> 00:15:28,094 and they're going right to the first time 334 00:15:28,136 --> 00:15:30,055 they see John's penis. 335 00:15:30,096 --> 00:15:32,682 People that normally don't watch adult movies still wanna see 336 00:15:32,724 --> 00:15:35,602 what John Wayne Bobbitt's penis looks like. 337 00:15:35,644 --> 00:15:39,022 We feel like this film is just gonna be a blockbuster. 338 00:15:39,064 --> 00:15:42,651 So why not give it a traditional Hollywood screening? 339 00:15:42,692 --> 00:15:44,235 James Sehn: I was happy to see the porn film-- 340 00:15:44,277 --> 00:15:46,112 eventually to see my handiwork was working well. 341 00:15:46,154 --> 00:15:48,073 That's all I really cared about. [chuckles] 342 00:15:48,114 --> 00:15:49,991 Howard Stern: You didn't get a million bucks. 343 00:15:50,033 --> 00:15:51,493 - John: No. - Stern: And then they say 344 00:15:51,534 --> 00:15:52,994 you get a percentage. - Percentage, definitely-- 345 00:15:53,036 --> 00:15:54,746 Stern: But you know, the porno industry, 346 00:15:54,788 --> 00:15:56,581 and I'm not saying this about anybody in your video... 347 00:15:56,623 --> 00:15:58,416 Robin Quivers: How you gonna tell how many videos are sold? 348 00:15:58,458 --> 00:15:59,959 - Stern: Yeah-- - Well, it's over--I don't know, 349 00:16:00,001 --> 00:16:01,670 I have no idea. - Where do the profits go? 350 00:16:01,711 --> 00:16:03,922 Does it go into a, uh-- - Quivers: An escrow? 351 00:16:03,963 --> 00:16:05,298 Stern: An escrow account? 352 00:16:05,340 --> 00:16:06,966 Yeah, it goes into an escrow account-- 353 00:16:07,008 --> 00:16:08,468 in Jack Gordon's account. - Stern: Oh, it does? 354 00:16:08,510 --> 00:16:09,969 Stern and Quivers: Oh, Jack Gordon's... 355 00:16:10,011 --> 00:16:11,888 - Quivers: ...escrow. - Stern: Really. Oh. 356 00:16:11,930 --> 00:16:13,473 I didn't know it was going into Jack Gordon's account. 357 00:16:13,515 --> 00:16:15,016 Well, then you have nothing to worry about. 358 00:16:15,058 --> 00:16:16,976 I mean, you've got Honest Jack on your side, 359 00:16:17,018 --> 00:16:18,645 so there's no problem there. - Quivers: No, not a problem. 360 00:16:18,687 --> 00:16:20,438 Stern: That's right. And you are his manager? 361 00:16:20,480 --> 00:16:22,148 You are Jack Gordon's son? - Yeah, that's me. 362 00:16:22,190 --> 00:16:23,900 This thing's like the fourth biggest-grossing 363 00:16:23,942 --> 00:16:25,735 adult film already. - Quivers: Really? 364 00:16:25,777 --> 00:16:27,529 - Is that right? - Aaron: So we're gonna chase 365 00:16:27,570 --> 00:16:29,989 "Deep Throat" to $100 million. - Isn't that something? 366 00:16:30,031 --> 00:16:31,866 [camera clicks] 367 00:16:31,908 --> 00:16:35,120 Gregg Murphy: John was attracted to the prospect of making 368 00:16:35,161 --> 00:16:36,287 this kind of money. 369 00:16:36,329 --> 00:16:38,623 He, unfortunately, did not. 370 00:16:38,665 --> 00:16:40,125 I think he made a little bit of money, 371 00:16:40,166 --> 00:16:42,919 but, uh, got totally taken advantage of. 372 00:16:42,961 --> 00:16:47,799 Sehn: Murphy took John's credit history to federal court 373 00:16:47,841 --> 00:16:50,510 is my understanding. 374 00:16:50,552 --> 00:16:53,179 They went through a process called Chapter 11, 375 00:16:53,221 --> 00:16:55,640 which basically bankrupted all his current debts, 376 00:16:55,682 --> 00:16:57,350 which included the hospital debt. 377 00:16:57,392 --> 00:16:59,728 To my knowledge, the hospital never got paid any money 378 00:16:59,769 --> 00:17:03,273 for the case and back then, even 25 years ago, 379 00:17:03,314 --> 00:17:06,568 you know, it would've cost at least probably $50,000. 380 00:17:06,609 --> 00:17:08,653 I certainly wasn't getting paid, so, 381 00:17:08,695 --> 00:17:10,613 you know, he'd gotten-- 382 00:17:10,655 --> 00:17:12,782 not--not a whole lot of money at that time. 383 00:17:12,824 --> 00:17:14,534 I don't think he's ever gotten a lot of money. 384 00:17:14,576 --> 00:17:19,414 He was taken advantage of later by, uh, Jack Gordon. 385 00:17:19,456 --> 00:17:20,582 ♪♪♪ 386 00:17:23,460 --> 00:17:25,545 [camera clicks] 387 00:17:25,587 --> 00:17:27,839 Male police officer: We were called to a domestic violence 388 00:17:27,881 --> 00:17:30,592 involving Mr. Bobbitt and, uh, Miss Elliott. 389 00:17:30,633 --> 00:17:33,136 She alleged that Mr. Bobbitt had grabbed her 390 00:17:33,178 --> 00:17:35,180 and pushed her up against a wall. 391 00:17:35,221 --> 00:17:37,265 Well, he was just hitting me. He was just going off. 392 00:17:37,307 --> 00:17:39,768 I'm innocent. It wasn't that, you know, I wanted to hit her. 393 00:17:39,809 --> 00:17:40,852 She was hitting me. 394 00:17:48,610 --> 00:17:49,819 [thunder rumbling] 395 00:17:55,241 --> 00:17:56,284 ♪♪♪ 396 00:17:59,746 --> 00:18:02,165 Lorena: When I was at the hospital, I was scared 397 00:18:02,207 --> 00:18:04,250 most of the time. 398 00:18:04,292 --> 00:18:09,589 I was fighting all kinds of bad memories. 399 00:18:09,631 --> 00:18:10,840 ♪♪♪ 400 00:18:14,928 --> 00:18:20,892 I felt that I was hunted by my husband. 401 00:18:20,934 --> 00:18:25,104 Like John was somewhere around ready to grab me or something. 402 00:18:25,146 --> 00:18:28,733 It's just like a horror movie. 403 00:18:28,775 --> 00:18:30,026 ♪♪♪ 404 00:18:32,946 --> 00:18:37,158 And I didn't realize that it was flashbacks or PTSD 405 00:18:37,200 --> 00:18:39,577 because I will just have nightmares 406 00:18:39,619 --> 00:18:41,246 and I would just, like, wake up. 407 00:18:41,287 --> 00:18:44,582 I said, "I just have to get myself together. 408 00:18:44,624 --> 00:18:47,752 "I just have to compose myself. 409 00:18:47,794 --> 00:18:49,921 "I don't want to end up with drugs. 410 00:18:49,963 --> 00:18:52,423 "I don't want to end up here more than 45 days." 411 00:18:52,465 --> 00:18:55,051 And believe me, I would count the days. 412 00:18:55,093 --> 00:18:57,971 ♪♪♪ 413 00:18:58,012 --> 00:19:02,767 A core tenet of somebody going through trauma-related therapy 414 00:19:02,809 --> 00:19:07,939 is to learn to discuss the trauma. 415 00:19:07,981 --> 00:19:09,983 Can't tell you the neurochemistry behind it, 416 00:19:10,024 --> 00:19:12,902 but sure can tell you that it works. 417 00:19:12,944 --> 00:19:15,238 As people retell the story again and again, 418 00:19:15,280 --> 00:19:16,781 it not only gets easier, 419 00:19:16,823 --> 00:19:18,575 but they start to understand things 420 00:19:18,616 --> 00:19:23,496 that they didn't understand at the beginning. 421 00:19:23,538 --> 00:19:24,831 The more I talked, I wanted to talk 422 00:19:24,873 --> 00:19:26,207 even more and more and more. 423 00:19:26,249 --> 00:19:29,043 - And, so... [shower running] 424 00:19:29,085 --> 00:19:34,173 ...I realized it was just a different obstacle, 425 00:19:34,215 --> 00:19:40,763 and my religious belief came to take over. 426 00:19:40,805 --> 00:19:44,767 ♪♪♪ 427 00:19:44,809 --> 00:19:48,187 I was trying to fight the--the PTSD. 428 00:19:48,229 --> 00:19:49,814 ♪♪♪ 429 00:19:49,856 --> 00:19:51,983 Fight the demons, fight whatever haunt me, 430 00:19:52,025 --> 00:19:57,030 fight the bad horrors that I just went through. 431 00:19:57,071 --> 00:20:01,367 And I said, "I have to get myself put together 432 00:20:01,409 --> 00:20:05,038 "and just go on... 433 00:20:05,079 --> 00:20:06,915 "because I'm still here. 434 00:20:06,956 --> 00:20:09,792 I'm in Central State, but I'm still here." 435 00:20:09,834 --> 00:20:15,381 I just had to go through this day by day. 436 00:20:15,423 --> 00:20:16,549 ♪♪♪ 437 00:20:31,689 --> 00:20:34,943 John: I can't begin to tell ya how much stuff I done, 438 00:20:34,984 --> 00:20:37,028 everywhere I've been, 439 00:20:37,070 --> 00:20:38,196 and all the radio and television I've done, 440 00:20:38,237 --> 00:20:40,239 and autographs I've signed. 441 00:20:40,281 --> 00:20:41,574 ♪♪♪ 442 00:20:50,166 --> 00:20:52,919 David Berman: At the time, John was probably more famous 443 00:20:52,961 --> 00:20:54,504 than almost anybody except maybe 444 00:20:54,545 --> 00:20:56,047 the president of the United States. 445 00:20:56,089 --> 00:20:59,384 But when he gets out of the limelight, 446 00:20:59,425 --> 00:21:00,843 I mean, he doesn't have a lot that he can do 447 00:21:00,885 --> 00:21:02,428 with the job market, 448 00:21:02,470 --> 00:21:04,889 and he didn't really know how to par--parlay it. 449 00:21:04,931 --> 00:21:08,935 Man: You are now known as Reverend John Wayne Bobbitt. 450 00:21:08,977 --> 00:21:13,773 You now have the right to perform weddings. 451 00:21:13,815 --> 00:21:16,025 Bill, do you take Diane 452 00:21:16,067 --> 00:21:18,069 to be your lawfully wedded wife? 453 00:21:18,111 --> 00:21:19,779 Bill: I do. 454 00:21:19,821 --> 00:21:21,781 Berman: I think he could've done other things 455 00:21:21,823 --> 00:21:24,325 to promote himself that would've been better. 456 00:21:24,367 --> 00:21:28,913 John Wayne Bobbitt is going in for a penis extension. 457 00:21:28,955 --> 00:21:30,289 [Quivers laughs] 458 00:21:30,331 --> 00:21:32,125 Stern: I think this is insane. 459 00:21:32,166 --> 00:21:33,334 John: There were some porn star friends of mine 460 00:21:33,376 --> 00:21:34,460 that was getting it done, 461 00:21:34,502 --> 00:21:37,296 and you know...why not? 462 00:21:37,338 --> 00:21:39,632 Bigger's better. [laughs] 463 00:21:39,674 --> 00:21:43,219 Stern: John Wayne Bobbitt and Dr. Rosenstein, 464 00:21:43,261 --> 00:21:44,804 who is going to perform the operation 465 00:21:44,846 --> 00:21:46,723 on John Wayne Bobbitt. 466 00:21:46,764 --> 00:21:49,600 Are you having an extension or are you having it made wider? 467 00:21:49,642 --> 00:21:50,810 - Uh, both. - Quivers: Length and girth. 468 00:21:50,852 --> 00:21:52,228 John: Length and girth, right. 469 00:21:52,270 --> 00:21:53,604 Stern: Oh--oh, you are giving him girth. 470 00:21:53,646 --> 00:21:54,647 You're gonna be big. - John: Yeah. 471 00:21:54,689 --> 00:21:56,024 Wow. Look how happy he is. 472 00:21:56,065 --> 00:21:57,734 Look at him. Oh, man. 473 00:21:57,775 --> 00:22:00,319 Wouldn't you be afraid to do something to the penis 474 00:22:00,361 --> 00:22:02,113 after going through something like that? 475 00:22:02,155 --> 00:22:05,116 Uh, no. I did lots of research and, uh, Dr. Rosenstein 476 00:22:05,158 --> 00:22:07,076 is one of the best doctors in the world. 477 00:22:07,118 --> 00:22:08,619 - Stern: I see. - Well, you know, 478 00:22:08,661 --> 00:22:10,413 I've done thousands of these, so we-- 479 00:22:10,455 --> 00:22:12,206 it's hard to get nervous over a single operation. 480 00:22:12,248 --> 00:22:14,042 I'll tell you, man, I--I don't think I would do it, 481 00:22:14,083 --> 00:22:16,627 but you will get more chicks, so maybe it's worth doing. 482 00:22:16,669 --> 00:22:19,422 John: I'm still unsure, so I want to think about it. 483 00:22:19,464 --> 00:22:22,133 ♪♪♪ 484 00:22:22,175 --> 00:22:23,342 Man: In the movie "Frankenpenis," 485 00:22:23,384 --> 00:22:26,095 you actually see the operation 486 00:22:26,137 --> 00:22:27,889 where they're actually making his penis larger 487 00:22:27,930 --> 00:22:30,725 while he's under-- under sedation. 488 00:22:30,767 --> 00:22:33,519 John: It's a good title because, you know, 489 00:22:33,561 --> 00:22:35,271 it didn't turn out the way I expected, you know? I mean... 490 00:22:35,313 --> 00:22:37,231 Man: Well, what'd you expect? 491 00:22:37,273 --> 00:22:39,776 Uh, I--I thought I'd have this, like, perfect penis, you know? 492 00:22:39,817 --> 00:22:41,569 - Man: Right. - But, uh, now it's like 493 00:22:41,611 --> 00:22:43,071 pathetic penis. 494 00:22:43,112 --> 00:22:44,405 ♪♪♪ 495 00:22:46,157 --> 00:22:48,284 Berman: John had this botched penile augmentation 496 00:22:48,326 --> 00:22:51,204 with fat graft into his penis, and it was actually 497 00:22:51,245 --> 00:22:53,748 an awful, awful job. 498 00:22:53,790 --> 00:22:56,125 Certainly, had he asked me, you know, 499 00:22:56,167 --> 00:22:57,460 should he risk that, 500 00:22:57,502 --> 00:22:59,378 I would have told him he's nuts. 501 00:22:59,420 --> 00:23:01,172 Had the doctor tell--told you about the lawsuits and stuff 502 00:23:01,214 --> 00:23:02,673 and that things were going on? - No, no one said 503 00:23:02,715 --> 00:23:04,926 anything to me, and, uh, I was just healing. 504 00:23:04,967 --> 00:23:06,594 - Stern: I mean, we did. - Quivers: He didn't tell you 505 00:23:06,636 --> 00:23:08,387 it was gonna be that painful or that restrictive? 506 00:23:08,429 --> 00:23:10,473 Right. He's so anxious to be a celebrity, 507 00:23:10,515 --> 00:23:12,225 that he said, "Well, okay, I already did a porno movie, 508 00:23:12,266 --> 00:23:14,102 no one's gonna--you know, they gotta see something new." 509 00:23:14,143 --> 00:23:18,773 So he went and mutilated his own penis for the porno movie. 510 00:23:18,815 --> 00:23:21,234 ♪♪♪ 511 00:23:21,275 --> 00:23:22,819 John: Who's there to protect you? 512 00:23:22,860 --> 00:23:24,237 I--I never had anybody to protect me, 513 00:23:24,278 --> 00:23:25,655 like, good management. 514 00:23:25,696 --> 00:23:28,574 So, like, you know, Rocky Balboa. 515 00:23:28,616 --> 00:23:31,452 [imitates Rocky] "Need a good manager." 516 00:23:31,494 --> 00:23:34,413 And mixes up--protect you from all this, you know? 517 00:23:34,455 --> 00:23:36,791 All this crap, you know? 518 00:23:36,833 --> 00:23:38,960 You know? Make sure you don't get hurt. 519 00:23:39,001 --> 00:23:40,586 ♪♪♪ 520 00:23:58,855 --> 00:24:01,065 [indistinct chatter] 521 00:24:01,107 --> 00:24:02,859 Judge: The court agrees with the doctor's findings 522 00:24:02,900 --> 00:24:05,486 and recommendations that inpatient hospitalization 523 00:24:05,528 --> 00:24:07,155 is not required at this time. 524 00:24:07,196 --> 00:24:09,282 The court is going to conditionally release 525 00:24:09,323 --> 00:24:11,117 the acquittee. 526 00:24:11,159 --> 00:24:13,536 Are there any questions at this time by either counsel? 527 00:24:13,578 --> 00:24:14,579 [indistinct chatter] 528 00:24:14,620 --> 00:24:16,372 If there are no questions, 529 00:24:16,414 --> 00:24:17,790 then that would conclude the hearing at this time. 530 00:24:17,832 --> 00:24:19,417 Thank you. 531 00:24:19,458 --> 00:24:21,085 ♪♪♪ 532 00:24:23,671 --> 00:24:25,840 Well, I've been to McDonald's already. 533 00:24:25,882 --> 00:24:28,467 I guess next step is Disney World. 534 00:24:28,509 --> 00:24:30,094 [laughter] 535 00:24:38,603 --> 00:24:43,024 Well, being in the hospital, it make me more stronger person. 536 00:24:43,065 --> 00:24:46,944 I take that as a--an experience. It's just a learning experience, 537 00:24:46,986 --> 00:24:48,946 and it helps me to be more mature, also. 538 00:24:48,988 --> 00:24:50,072 Man: Lorena... 539 00:24:53,367 --> 00:24:56,537 Well, men have to have a little bit more consideration 540 00:24:56,579 --> 00:24:58,539 and respect a woman. 541 00:24:58,581 --> 00:25:01,417 -[laughter] -Woman: I think that's good. 542 00:25:01,459 --> 00:25:03,294 JAMES LOWE: I think that's probably a good place to cut this-- 543 00:25:03,336 --> 00:25:05,087 cut this short--that's about the best answer we can give... 544 00:25:05,129 --> 00:25:10,051 Lorena: After my release, I needed to set a goal. 545 00:25:10,092 --> 00:25:11,427 Man 1: Lorena, can we get one more smile? 546 00:25:11,469 --> 00:25:13,554 Man 2: Lorena, back here, babe. Lorena! 547 00:25:13,596 --> 00:25:15,473 Lorena: To go back to life 548 00:25:15,514 --> 00:25:20,228 and start the process of healing, 549 00:25:20,269 --> 00:25:23,773 I felt that no matter how public my face is, 550 00:25:23,814 --> 00:25:28,069 I needed to go back to my routine. 551 00:25:28,110 --> 00:25:33,366 Work, go home, and partially get my life back on track again. 552 00:25:33,407 --> 00:25:36,535 Female reporter: And so this last chapter is nearly written 553 00:25:36,577 --> 00:25:39,330 as Lorena Bobbitt is released into outpatient treatment 554 00:25:39,372 --> 00:25:41,666 to last until the court deems otherwise, 555 00:25:41,707 --> 00:25:43,501 and many other are hoping all this 556 00:25:43,542 --> 00:25:45,044 brings the issue of domestic violence 557 00:25:45,086 --> 00:25:47,380 to the forefront of the public consciousness. 558 00:25:47,421 --> 00:25:52,051 Lorena Bobbitt used a knife! Lorena Bobbitt saved her life! 559 00:25:52,093 --> 00:25:53,803 Lorena Bobbitt used a knife! 560 00:25:53,844 --> 00:25:55,638 Jeltsen: In the years leading up to the Bobbitt case, 561 00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:57,515 there was a lot of activity and energy by advocates 562 00:25:57,556 --> 00:26:00,518 trying to get the country to focus on domestic violence 563 00:26:00,559 --> 00:26:02,186 and sexual harassment. 564 00:26:02,228 --> 00:26:05,189 But it just wasn't happening fast enough. 565 00:26:05,231 --> 00:26:08,943 Gandy: In the late '80s, early '90s 566 00:26:08,985 --> 00:26:14,198 local, state, and federal governments were very slow 567 00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:17,451 to recognize and fund domestic violence. 568 00:26:17,493 --> 00:26:19,245 There just wasn't a sense 569 00:26:19,287 --> 00:26:21,998 that special resources were needed. 570 00:26:22,039 --> 00:26:23,749 [siren wailing] 571 00:26:23,791 --> 00:26:26,210 Domestic violence cases don't get national attention 572 00:26:26,252 --> 00:26:28,963 because they're so ordinary-- they happen every day. 573 00:26:29,005 --> 00:26:32,008 They're often considered a private matter that happens 574 00:26:32,049 --> 00:26:33,801 between a man and his wife. 575 00:26:33,843 --> 00:26:35,594 ♪♪♪ 576 00:26:35,636 --> 00:26:37,805 Joe Biden: We cannot afford to wait any longer 577 00:26:37,847 --> 00:26:39,849 to treat domestic violence as something 578 00:26:39,890 --> 00:26:43,436 other than what it is-- a serious crime. 579 00:26:43,477 --> 00:26:46,397 Gandy: A spark for the Violence Against Women Act 580 00:26:46,439 --> 00:26:48,566 came from Senator Joe Biden. 581 00:26:48,607 --> 00:26:50,443 It was his baby. 582 00:26:50,484 --> 00:26:53,029 Now who could be against that? 583 00:26:53,070 --> 00:26:54,989 Gandy: He found a Senate co-sponsor 584 00:26:55,031 --> 00:26:57,575 on the other side of the aisle-- Orrin Hatch, 585 00:26:57,616 --> 00:27:01,203 and the two of them were, nominally, the--the authors 586 00:27:01,245 --> 00:27:03,080 of the Violence Against Women Act. 587 00:27:03,122 --> 00:27:10,254 We were crafting legislation which had, as part of its focus, 588 00:27:10,296 --> 00:27:12,548 a coordinated community response. 589 00:27:12,590 --> 00:27:14,091 Police officer: And you need to keep Ann and Cliff 590 00:27:14,133 --> 00:27:15,384 apart from each other because you know... 591 00:27:15,426 --> 00:27:17,386 Dan Harris: Prior to 1991, 592 00:27:17,428 --> 00:27:20,181 law enforcement's response to domestic violence 593 00:27:20,222 --> 00:27:22,183 was more hands-off. 594 00:27:22,224 --> 00:27:24,602 We would try to get the parties to calm down. 595 00:27:24,643 --> 00:27:28,230 We'd try to get 'em to separate, maybe someone go for a walk. 596 00:27:28,272 --> 00:27:30,316 Just literally have a time-out. 597 00:27:30,358 --> 00:27:34,862 Gandy: We were working on funding for police, 598 00:27:34,904 --> 00:27:37,865 and funding for prosecutors, and funding for judges 599 00:27:37,907 --> 00:27:42,119 to have training to understand these cases. 600 00:27:42,161 --> 00:27:45,122 We hoped that trying to pass legislation 601 00:27:45,164 --> 00:27:49,418 would bring domestic violence into the national attention. 602 00:27:49,460 --> 00:27:53,923 But we also understood it's very, very hard 603 00:27:53,964 --> 00:27:55,966 to get action. 604 00:28:00,346 --> 00:28:05,893 [crickets chirping] 605 00:28:10,189 --> 00:28:12,066 [animal howls] 606 00:28:13,776 --> 00:28:17,488 John worked here, of course. He was our celebrity greeter, 607 00:28:17,530 --> 00:28:18,781 if you will. 608 00:28:18,823 --> 00:28:20,324 ♪♪♪ 609 00:28:20,366 --> 00:28:23,577 He came out here and, uh, we liked him, 610 00:28:23,619 --> 00:28:26,247 and so, we ended up hiring him. 611 00:28:26,288 --> 00:28:29,917 His name was big at the time, and we had him. 612 00:28:29,959 --> 00:28:33,129 Dennis Hof: John started out at the door. 613 00:28:33,170 --> 00:28:37,216 Somebody rings the buzzer. All the girls start lining up. 614 00:28:37,258 --> 00:28:39,593 He would say, "Hello, I'm John Bobbitt. 615 00:28:39,635 --> 00:28:43,722 Welcome to the world-famous Bunny Ranch." 616 00:28:43,764 --> 00:28:46,142 And people would go... 617 00:28:46,183 --> 00:28:47,643 They--they were shocked. 618 00:28:47,685 --> 00:28:50,521 I--I gotta tell you. This was a big deal. 619 00:28:50,563 --> 00:28:53,441 He was a tabloid titan. 620 00:28:53,482 --> 00:28:55,443 The Bunny Ranch cannot advertise in Nevada, 621 00:28:55,484 --> 00:28:57,653 but I can do promotion and media. 622 00:28:57,695 --> 00:29:00,990 The tabloids, everybody, just loved it. 623 00:29:01,031 --> 00:29:03,033 ♪♪♪ 624 00:29:03,075 --> 00:29:05,077 Madam Suzette: We were trying to teach him behind the bar, 625 00:29:05,119 --> 00:29:08,330 but he wouldn't retain too much information. 626 00:29:08,372 --> 00:29:10,875 He was kinda A.D.D. and scattered a little bit. 627 00:29:10,916 --> 00:29:12,626 So, if he was behind the bar, 628 00:29:12,668 --> 00:29:15,212 we'd have to have another bartender behind the bar too, 629 00:29:15,254 --> 00:29:17,006 because he couldn't take over that whole bar. 630 00:29:17,047 --> 00:29:18,716 Hof: Then we thought, 631 00:29:18,757 --> 00:29:20,634 "We'll, uh, train him to drive the limo." 632 00:29:20,676 --> 00:29:23,012 Airforce Amy: You'd give him a job to do 633 00:29:23,053 --> 00:29:25,431 and he just didn't realize the gravity of it-- 634 00:29:25,473 --> 00:29:26,974 that--if you're supposed to drive the limo, 635 00:29:27,016 --> 00:29:28,726 you're supposed to drive the limo. 636 00:29:28,767 --> 00:29:30,561 You don't let, like, an 18-year-old drunk girl 637 00:29:30,603 --> 00:29:32,271 drive the limo for you. 638 00:29:32,313 --> 00:29:33,522 Caressa Kisses: We hated him around the customers. 639 00:29:33,564 --> 00:29:35,232 He, you know, he just felt like 640 00:29:35,274 --> 00:29:37,276 everybody who came through the door was here for him. 641 00:29:37,318 --> 00:29:38,944 "John, you can't talk to 'em for two and three hours, 642 00:29:38,986 --> 00:29:40,196 "and get 'em drunk. 643 00:29:40,237 --> 00:29:41,697 "We need to--we need to do that. 644 00:29:41,739 --> 00:29:42,781 That's our job." 645 00:29:45,159 --> 00:29:46,619 Hof: There's two sides of him-- 646 00:29:46,660 --> 00:29:48,204 the really nice guy, very mild mannered, 647 00:29:48,245 --> 00:29:49,622 very pleasant. 648 00:29:49,663 --> 00:29:52,625 Then... the stone, fucking asshole. 649 00:29:52,666 --> 00:29:57,338 From nice guy to fucking asshole in three drinks. 650 00:29:57,379 --> 00:30:01,091 Caressa: When he'd drink, he became very, uh, verbally 651 00:30:01,133 --> 00:30:03,719 and physically abusive. 652 00:30:03,761 --> 00:30:05,721 And he would sit right at the very end of the bar 653 00:30:05,763 --> 00:30:09,266 in that last bar seat-- that was his favorite. 654 00:30:09,308 --> 00:30:11,060 Suzette absolutely demanded 655 00:30:11,101 --> 00:30:12,978 that he could not drink on property. 656 00:30:13,020 --> 00:30:15,689 And it became, uh, a violent argument, 657 00:30:15,731 --> 00:30:17,483 and she let him go. 658 00:30:17,525 --> 00:30:20,528 He had to be escorted off the property. 659 00:30:20,569 --> 00:30:23,489 Well, some of his family members showed up at her house 660 00:30:23,531 --> 00:30:25,157 and threatened her, 661 00:30:25,199 --> 00:30:28,077 uh, to let John come back to work. 662 00:30:28,118 --> 00:30:30,204 Suzette: They all pulled up in, like, a posse-- 663 00:30:30,246 --> 00:30:31,622 six, seven people. 664 00:30:31,664 --> 00:30:33,457 Car after car after car after car, 665 00:30:33,499 --> 00:30:35,251 and I was kind of living out in the sticks at the time. 666 00:30:35,292 --> 00:30:38,671 I'm thinking, "Ooh." And John was with them. 667 00:30:38,712 --> 00:30:40,673 Hof: They started giving Suzette a hard time, 668 00:30:40,714 --> 00:30:42,508 on the verge of violence. 669 00:30:42,550 --> 00:30:44,969 I felt fearful enough for my life 670 00:30:45,010 --> 00:30:46,512 that I went and got a-- 671 00:30:46,554 --> 00:30:49,848 I called the cops and got a restraining order. 672 00:30:49,890 --> 00:30:51,892 Man: Why in the hell would you rehire him to come back? 673 00:30:51,934 --> 00:30:53,727 Hof: 'Cause I'm media whore. 674 00:30:53,769 --> 00:30:56,105 If the media value wasn't there, 675 00:30:56,146 --> 00:30:58,607 there would not have been a second, third, fourth, fifth-- 676 00:30:58,649 --> 00:31:00,568 whatever amount of chances we gave him. 677 00:31:01,944 --> 00:31:03,028 Suzette: And next thing you know, 678 00:31:03,070 --> 00:31:04,572 his family got in trouble, 679 00:31:04,613 --> 00:31:06,532 and John was in the middle of it-- 680 00:31:06,574 --> 00:31:09,702 something over a--a--a store and stealing clothes. 681 00:31:09,743 --> 00:31:11,412 ♪♪♪ 682 00:31:11,453 --> 00:31:13,330 Hof: John was taking clothes from a store. 683 00:31:13,372 --> 00:31:14,915 Told this girl, "I'm a celebrity. 684 00:31:14,957 --> 00:31:16,584 You should give me things." 685 00:31:16,625 --> 00:31:19,628 It was $150,000 worth of clothing, 686 00:31:19,670 --> 00:31:21,171 and the way that he got caught, 687 00:31:21,213 --> 00:31:23,007 was that he was returning the clothing 688 00:31:23,048 --> 00:31:24,967 to other stores in the same chain 689 00:31:25,009 --> 00:31:26,927 to get cash. 690 00:31:26,969 --> 00:31:28,554 ♪♪♪ 691 00:31:28,596 --> 00:31:30,347 And he got arrested for it. 692 00:31:30,389 --> 00:31:33,309 Suzette: He was, um, out on bail, 693 00:31:33,350 --> 00:31:36,270 and so we had a birthday party for him. 694 00:31:36,312 --> 00:31:38,022 It was his 32nd birthday. 695 00:31:38,063 --> 00:31:39,523 So we thought, "Well, let's make an event out of it. 696 00:31:39,565 --> 00:31:41,483 Invite the media." 697 00:31:41,525 --> 00:31:44,028 Suzette: I baked the cake. It had beautiful frosting-- 698 00:31:44,069 --> 00:31:45,112 "Happy Birthday, John." 699 00:31:45,154 --> 00:31:47,448 I put this huge knife in it. 700 00:31:47,489 --> 00:31:49,867 And then I put the red gel all around-- 701 00:31:49,908 --> 00:31:53,287 dripping around the knife and onto the cake. 702 00:31:53,329 --> 00:31:55,289 We had all this stuff planned. 703 00:31:55,331 --> 00:31:58,792 It was great... until John didn't show. 704 00:31:58,834 --> 00:32:00,544 Caressa: But he skipped bond. 705 00:32:00,586 --> 00:32:03,255 Dennis put up a very substantial amount 706 00:32:03,297 --> 00:32:07,176 to keep him out of jail. 707 00:32:07,217 --> 00:32:09,803 He was nowhere to be found. He was on the run. 708 00:32:20,606 --> 00:32:24,068 Tom Jarriel: Neither you nor John were found guilty 709 00:32:24,109 --> 00:32:26,487 in this particular case. 710 00:32:26,528 --> 00:32:27,738 Was there no victim here? 711 00:32:27,780 --> 00:32:29,448 Or were you both victims? 712 00:32:29,490 --> 00:32:33,118 We're both were victims of a tragic situation. 713 00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:34,787 Yes. 714 00:32:34,828 --> 00:32:38,123 But as far as a crime-- was there no crime? 715 00:32:39,917 --> 00:32:43,712 Yes, it was a crime. Two crimes. 716 00:32:43,754 --> 00:32:46,256 Jarriel narrating: Lorena is working with a Hollywood agent 717 00:32:46,298 --> 00:32:48,050 to film the story of her life. 718 00:32:48,092 --> 00:32:50,636 She wants to make some money, pay legal bills, 719 00:32:50,678 --> 00:32:52,846 and then get on with her personal life. 720 00:32:52,888 --> 00:32:54,014 ♪♪♪ 721 00:32:56,433 --> 00:33:00,604 The plan, initially, was to do either a television special, 722 00:33:00,646 --> 00:33:04,358 or a motion picture on her life 723 00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:05,859 that would tell the truth 724 00:33:05,901 --> 00:33:08,237 outside of what the media was doing. 725 00:33:08,278 --> 00:33:10,447 That became a real clear objective for me. 726 00:33:10,489 --> 00:33:12,449 ♪♪♪ 727 00:33:12,491 --> 00:33:15,202 If we did get a half a million dollars for an interview, 728 00:33:15,244 --> 00:33:17,538 the first money would go directly to this trust, 729 00:33:17,579 --> 00:33:19,164 and the beneficiary of that trust, 730 00:33:19,206 --> 00:33:20,916 would be Lorena only. 731 00:33:20,958 --> 00:33:23,919 There'd be nobody else. 732 00:33:23,961 --> 00:33:26,130 Lorena: Alan, how he was, 733 00:33:26,171 --> 00:33:29,508 making deals with Janna Bisutti-- 734 00:33:29,550 --> 00:33:35,472 she wanted me to sign a contract, which I did... 735 00:33:35,514 --> 00:33:43,689 not knowing that I was signing away 15% to her. 736 00:33:43,731 --> 00:33:46,316 Regina Keegan: The story was so sensational, 737 00:33:46,358 --> 00:33:50,112 and everybody was getting their 15 minutes. 738 00:33:58,746 --> 00:34:00,664 ♪♪♪ 739 00:34:00,706 --> 00:34:03,208 Keegan: When I went to the courthouse, 740 00:34:03,250 --> 00:34:06,211 the salon manager-owner, 741 00:34:06,253 --> 00:34:10,632 she was talking about-- "Well, everything she's wearing, 742 00:34:10,674 --> 00:34:12,217 "I got her. 743 00:34:12,259 --> 00:34:14,595 "And she's lucky to have a friend like me. 744 00:34:14,636 --> 00:34:17,890 "And if they want an interview, 745 00:34:17,931 --> 00:34:19,933 they're gonna have to go through me." 746 00:34:19,975 --> 00:34:21,810 ♪♪♪ 747 00:34:21,852 --> 00:34:23,854 She said, "They pay for everything, 748 00:34:23,896 --> 00:34:26,273 "and you go first class. 749 00:34:26,315 --> 00:34:29,026 "They give you money to go get clothes, 750 00:34:29,067 --> 00:34:30,778 "and they set you up in a nice hotel, 751 00:34:30,819 --> 00:34:33,238 and they give you a driver." 752 00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:39,244 "Oh. Is there a therapist in there somewhere for Lorena?" 753 00:34:39,286 --> 00:34:42,164 ♪♪♪ 754 00:34:42,206 --> 00:34:45,959 Lorena: I really felt betrayed by Janna Bisutti. 755 00:34:46,001 --> 00:34:49,087 That was very devastating. She was my confidant. 756 00:34:49,129 --> 00:34:50,798 I look up to her. 757 00:34:50,839 --> 00:34:52,591 ♪♪♪ 758 00:34:52,633 --> 00:34:58,514 And as much as it hurt, I had to say goodbye. 759 00:34:58,555 --> 00:35:04,186 ♪♪♪ 760 00:35:04,228 --> 00:35:08,106 I didn't choose to be in the spotlight. 761 00:35:08,148 --> 00:35:10,651 It wasn't intentional. 762 00:35:10,692 --> 00:35:12,694 But for some reason, you know, 763 00:35:12,736 --> 00:35:15,656 people thought that they can always 764 00:35:15,697 --> 00:35:19,701 make money off of my story. 765 00:35:19,743 --> 00:35:22,704 I just wanted to live a simple life. 766 00:35:22,746 --> 00:35:28,877 I went through so much, and, um, I have to somehow 767 00:35:28,919 --> 00:35:33,632 get the strength to--to move on. 768 00:35:33,674 --> 00:35:35,092 That's exactly what I wanted to do. 769 00:35:35,133 --> 00:35:36,718 I wanted to move on. 770 00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:43,559 ♪♪♪ 771 00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:48,689 Desiree: When I met John, I was about 19 years old. 772 00:35:48,730 --> 00:35:51,024 We dated very briefly, 773 00:35:51,066 --> 00:35:54,486 and I helped him get to Niagara Falls, New York. 774 00:35:54,528 --> 00:35:55,612 ♪♪♪ 775 00:35:58,782 --> 00:36:00,951 Hof: John ran off with Desiree. 776 00:36:00,993 --> 00:36:03,704 She'd worked here. She was a working girl. 777 00:36:03,745 --> 00:36:06,748 So, they kinda hooked up and started being friends. 778 00:36:06,790 --> 00:36:09,167 It was their dirty little secret 779 00:36:09,209 --> 00:36:12,296 they were hiding from the king. 780 00:36:12,337 --> 00:36:13,964 Suzette: Desiree was a nice girl, 781 00:36:14,006 --> 00:36:16,425 but if somebody comes and works for us, 782 00:36:16,466 --> 00:36:18,594 you can't touch the girls. 783 00:36:18,635 --> 00:36:20,679 You know, that's my merchandise. That's how I make my money. 784 00:36:20,721 --> 00:36:23,265 You take one of the girls out, that's minus $50,000 a month. 785 00:36:23,307 --> 00:36:24,766 ♪♪♪ 786 00:36:24,808 --> 00:36:26,393 Hof: It's like stealing from me. 787 00:36:26,435 --> 00:36:28,020 You might as well reach into my pocket 788 00:36:28,061 --> 00:36:29,563 and grab a few thousand dollars. 789 00:36:29,605 --> 00:36:33,317 ♪♪♪ 790 00:36:33,358 --> 00:36:35,235 Desiree: I drove John all the way 791 00:36:35,277 --> 00:36:37,779 to Niagara Falls, New York... 792 00:36:37,821 --> 00:36:40,032 back to his family. 793 00:36:40,073 --> 00:36:42,784 ♪♪♪ 794 00:36:42,826 --> 00:36:45,412 When we got out there, John said to me, 795 00:36:45,454 --> 00:36:46,997 "I don't have any money 796 00:36:47,039 --> 00:36:49,291 "because I was living paycheck to paycheck, 797 00:36:49,333 --> 00:36:53,211 and can you help me?" 798 00:36:53,253 --> 00:36:57,174 So I helped him to secure an apartment. 799 00:36:57,215 --> 00:37:01,678 But I lived cross-country. 800 00:37:01,720 --> 00:37:06,183 I was paying the rent and supporting him. 801 00:37:06,224 --> 00:37:09,436 I would come back and forth between where I lived 802 00:37:09,478 --> 00:37:12,481 and to the apartment. 803 00:37:12,522 --> 00:37:17,110 I was in this loop for a couple years with John. 804 00:37:17,152 --> 00:37:18,195 ♪♪♪ 805 00:37:21,365 --> 00:37:23,992 I had come back to make sure that the apartment 806 00:37:24,034 --> 00:37:26,119 was going to be taken out of our name 807 00:37:26,161 --> 00:37:27,579 into just his name. 808 00:37:30,958 --> 00:37:36,004 John flew off the handle and he beat me 809 00:37:36,046 --> 00:37:39,883 with just about everything that was loose in that apartment. 810 00:37:39,925 --> 00:37:42,177 [dog barking] 811 00:37:44,763 --> 00:37:49,559 John forcibly...took me... 812 00:37:49,601 --> 00:37:51,687 out onto the balcony, 813 00:37:51,728 --> 00:37:55,732 and pushed me over the edge of the balcony, 814 00:37:55,774 --> 00:37:58,485 and was holding onto me by my lower legs 815 00:37:58,527 --> 00:38:00,988 dangling me over the balcony, threatening to drop me. 816 00:38:01,029 --> 00:38:02,739 ♪♪♪ 817 00:38:02,781 --> 00:38:06,660 People in the street saw what happened. 818 00:38:06,702 --> 00:38:10,539 He pulled me back up by my hair, by my limbs, 819 00:38:10,580 --> 00:38:13,583 drug me across the railing... 820 00:38:13,625 --> 00:38:17,004 and I was thrown into the bedroom. 821 00:38:17,045 --> 00:38:18,839 ♪♪♪ 822 00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:20,424 I was tied to the bed. 823 00:38:20,465 --> 00:38:22,467 ♪♪♪ 824 00:38:22,509 --> 00:38:24,344 Stripped. 825 00:38:24,386 --> 00:38:30,100 He...repeatedly raped me. 826 00:38:30,142 --> 00:38:31,768 He sodomized me. 827 00:38:31,810 --> 00:38:35,230 He told me that I was his Lorena now. 828 00:38:35,272 --> 00:38:37,107 ♪♪♪ 829 00:38:37,149 --> 00:38:40,110 And neither she or I... 830 00:38:40,152 --> 00:38:42,529 or anyone that he had been with would ever escape him. 831 00:38:42,571 --> 00:38:46,575 ♪♪♪ 832 00:38:46,616 --> 00:38:49,953 After three days... 833 00:38:49,995 --> 00:38:51,580 [voice breaking] ...almost endless torture... 834 00:38:51,621 --> 00:38:53,540 [crying] 835 00:38:53,582 --> 00:38:56,418 I thought if I played dead, he would just leave me be. 836 00:38:56,460 --> 00:38:58,295 ♪♪♪ 837 00:38:58,336 --> 00:39:02,007 And after trying to rile me, and talk to me, 838 00:39:02,049 --> 00:39:05,844 and checking and see if I was still breathing, 839 00:39:05,886 --> 00:39:07,387 he untied me, 840 00:39:07,429 --> 00:39:09,264 and he started gathering sheets... 841 00:39:09,306 --> 00:39:11,183 ♪♪♪ 842 00:39:11,224 --> 00:39:12,768 ...like he was gonna wrap me up in them. 843 00:39:12,809 --> 00:39:14,186 [crying] 844 00:39:24,071 --> 00:39:26,323 ...he started to make his way to the door. 845 00:39:26,364 --> 00:39:27,491 ♪♪♪ 846 00:39:29,910 --> 00:39:30,952 And I ran. 847 00:39:30,994 --> 00:39:32,245 ♪♪♪ 848 00:39:41,713 --> 00:39:44,758 [camera clicks] 849 00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:47,219 Caroline Wojtaszek: There was an accusation of a domestic 850 00:39:47,260 --> 00:39:49,721 involving John Wayne Bobbitt and Desiree. 851 00:39:51,556 --> 00:39:53,642 John Bobbitt was charged with harassment 852 00:39:53,683 --> 00:39:57,187 which is a violation, um, under New York State penal law. 853 00:39:57,229 --> 00:39:59,815 But nine times out of ten, 854 00:39:59,856 --> 00:40:02,192 whenever I had a victim in front of me, 855 00:40:02,234 --> 00:40:06,822 what they told the police officer at the scene 856 00:40:06,863 --> 00:40:11,785 scratched the surface of what really happened. 857 00:40:11,827 --> 00:40:14,037 ♪♪♪ 858 00:40:14,079 --> 00:40:16,456 There were no allegations of rape at the time, 859 00:40:16,498 --> 00:40:19,084 so they did not collect a rape kit, 860 00:40:19,126 --> 00:40:22,295 but because I knew that John Wayne Bobbitt 861 00:40:22,337 --> 00:40:27,050 had a pretty significant history of domestic violence, 862 00:40:27,092 --> 00:40:29,761 I knew that this was a case that I would have to try, 863 00:40:29,803 --> 00:40:32,639 that I couldn't offer a lesser plea. 864 00:40:32,681 --> 00:40:36,268 Luckily, we found that supportive evidence. 865 00:40:36,309 --> 00:40:40,772 An 11- or 12-year-old child had been home sick that day, 866 00:40:40,814 --> 00:40:44,067 and he heard some noise out in the hallway, 867 00:40:44,109 --> 00:40:45,527 and pulled up a chair, 868 00:40:45,569 --> 00:40:47,070 looked out the peephole, 869 00:40:47,112 --> 00:40:51,366 and had seen John pulling Desiree-- 870 00:40:51,408 --> 00:40:54,202 dragging her, essentially, through the hallway. 871 00:40:54,244 --> 00:40:56,037 ♪♪♪ 872 00:40:56,079 --> 00:40:58,165 And John Wayne Bobbitt was found guilty 873 00:40:58,206 --> 00:40:59,791 and spent some time in jail. 874 00:40:59,833 --> 00:41:02,252 ♪♪♪ 875 00:41:02,294 --> 00:41:06,631 I--I never used violence against another person... 876 00:41:06,673 --> 00:41:07,924 pretty much ever. 877 00:41:07,966 --> 00:41:09,050 ♪♪♪ 878 00:41:16,183 --> 00:41:20,520 Most men who abuse, continue to abuse throughout their lives. 879 00:41:20,562 --> 00:41:22,898 Judge: The court does hereby accept your plea of "guilty," 880 00:41:22,939 --> 00:41:25,358 and upon it, you are found and are judged guilty, 881 00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:27,527 and you are sentenced as follows. 882 00:41:30,030 --> 00:41:32,157 John: There's probably a lot of women who were victimized-- 883 00:41:32,199 --> 00:41:35,410 women who were legitimately vic-victimized... 884 00:41:35,452 --> 00:41:39,581 by men, alcoholics, abusive--you know--guys. 885 00:41:39,623 --> 00:41:45,003 But these women who are opportunist gold diggers, 886 00:41:45,045 --> 00:41:47,464 they use you as a stepping stone 887 00:41:47,505 --> 00:41:48,798 to advance their career. 888 00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:51,801 ♪♪♪ 889 00:41:51,843 --> 00:41:54,262 Just like the immigrant that marries a guy, 890 00:41:54,304 --> 00:41:55,889 if it's not working out, they can do the same thing 891 00:41:55,931 --> 00:41:57,641 as a gold digger. 892 00:41:57,682 --> 00:42:00,310 ♪♪♪ 893 00:42:00,352 --> 00:42:04,314 Nelson: Abusers often don't recognize themselves as abusers. 894 00:42:04,356 --> 00:42:06,691 They often have a series of distorted ideas 895 00:42:06,733 --> 00:42:09,903 that convince themselves that what they're doing is justified, 896 00:42:09,945 --> 00:42:13,782 or that it's not so bad, or that she's exaggerating it. 897 00:42:13,823 --> 00:42:17,911 ♪♪♪ 898 00:42:17,953 --> 00:42:20,288 There was a domestic violence dispute between John and I, 899 00:42:20,330 --> 00:42:21,331 and I was injured. 900 00:42:21,373 --> 00:42:23,250 ♪♪♪ 901 00:42:23,291 --> 00:42:27,671 Woman: John Bobbitt-- CC631794A, 902 00:42:27,712 --> 00:42:33,051 battery-- C519675A, battery. 903 00:42:33,093 --> 00:42:35,762 John: These women, they know that their backup 904 00:42:35,804 --> 00:42:38,473 is to use law enforcement to their advantage by saying, 905 00:42:38,515 --> 00:42:39,933 "Well, you know what? If you leave, 906 00:42:39,975 --> 00:42:41,518 "or you--you fuck up this relationship, 907 00:42:41,559 --> 00:42:43,895 "or you--you don't get my citizenship, 908 00:42:43,937 --> 00:42:45,355 I'll call the cops." 909 00:42:45,397 --> 00:42:46,690 ♪♪♪ 910 00:42:56,157 --> 00:42:59,536 Woman: November 15 at 2:00 p.m. for trial. 911 00:42:59,577 --> 00:43:01,663 [indistinct chatter] 912 00:43:01,705 --> 00:43:05,417 Your Honor, uh, if it's proven that this, uh, victim is lying, 913 00:43:05,458 --> 00:43:06,835 I would--I would ask the court-- 914 00:43:06,876 --> 00:43:07,836 I mean this is like the second time. 915 00:43:07,877 --> 00:43:09,629 I mean, if she's-- 916 00:43:09,671 --> 00:43:11,548 I mean, I'd like her to be thrown in jail for contempt. 917 00:43:11,589 --> 00:43:13,675 She's making this entire thing up. And if I... 918 00:43:13,717 --> 00:43:15,051 Worse than what Lorena did to me, 919 00:43:15,093 --> 00:43:18,596 what my second wife did-- devastation. 920 00:43:18,638 --> 00:43:22,058 Lost everything. In and out of jail for ten months. 921 00:43:22,100 --> 00:43:24,728 So, judge revoked my probation. 922 00:43:24,769 --> 00:43:27,355 Then had to do the rest of the time in Lovelock-- 923 00:43:27,397 --> 00:43:28,857 where O.J. was. 924 00:43:28,898 --> 00:43:31,735 So I spent, uh, 15 months there. 925 00:43:31,776 --> 00:43:35,947 ♪♪♪ 926 00:43:35,989 --> 00:43:39,451 When I was in prison, I got, uh--uh--attacked. 927 00:43:39,492 --> 00:43:42,203 Some guy clocked me from behind and knocked me out. 928 00:43:42,245 --> 00:43:46,499 They said, "Well, you don't hit, you know, the sisters. 929 00:43:46,541 --> 00:43:48,668 You don't hit the women," or whatever. 930 00:43:48,710 --> 00:43:50,337 ♪♪♪ 931 00:43:50,378 --> 00:43:54,174 So I got attacked a few times. 932 00:43:54,215 --> 00:43:56,760 Being a well-known person, 933 00:43:56,801 --> 00:43:59,637 if you're in the prison system-- 934 00:43:59,679 --> 00:44:02,682 or jail, you're--you're a target. 935 00:44:02,724 --> 00:44:07,437 ♪♪♪ 936 00:44:09,022 --> 00:44:10,690 Male reporter: The body of 34-year-old 937 00:44:10,732 --> 00:44:13,193 Nicole Brown Simpson, ex-wife of O.J. Simpson, 938 00:44:13,234 --> 00:44:15,278 was found after midnight on the sidewalk 939 00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:17,280 outside her West Los Angeles home. 940 00:44:17,322 --> 00:44:18,490 ♪♪♪ 941 00:44:20,825 --> 00:44:22,786 Bernie Sanders: Mr. Speaker, it is disturbing 942 00:44:22,827 --> 00:44:25,538 that the death of Nicole Simpson should be necessary 943 00:44:25,580 --> 00:44:27,499 to force us to take notice 944 00:44:27,540 --> 00:44:29,793 of the horror of domestic violence. 945 00:44:29,834 --> 00:44:33,838 I vigorously support the Violence Against Women Act. 946 00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:38,635 We urgently need the $1.8 billion in this bill 947 00:44:38,676 --> 00:44:42,138 to combat the epidemic of violence against women 948 00:44:42,180 --> 00:44:44,432 on the streets and in the homes of America. 949 00:44:44,474 --> 00:44:46,017 [camera clicks] 950 00:44:46,059 --> 00:44:47,769 Jeltsen: The Violence Against Women Act 951 00:44:47,811 --> 00:44:49,979 was a landmark piece of legislation that told police, 952 00:44:50,021 --> 00:44:51,648 "You need to take this seriously." 953 00:44:51,689 --> 00:44:53,733 And it sent a signal to the country as a whole-- 954 00:44:53,775 --> 00:44:55,527 domestic violence is a crime. 955 00:44:55,568 --> 00:44:59,781 This is something that we need to tackle as a country. 956 00:44:59,823 --> 00:45:02,659 Gandy: There had really never been anything 957 00:45:02,700 --> 00:45:07,914 that addressed a women's issue that had actual money behind it. 958 00:45:07,956 --> 00:45:10,417 ♪♪♪ 959 00:45:10,458 --> 00:45:12,085 Of course, what happened then, 960 00:45:12,127 --> 00:45:14,546 was that in the '94 elections that fall, 961 00:45:14,587 --> 00:45:19,050 Newt Gingrich swept in and turned the House Republican 962 00:45:19,092 --> 00:45:21,010 from Democrat. 963 00:45:21,052 --> 00:45:25,974 Even though the act was passed, and the money was authorized, 964 00:45:26,015 --> 00:45:29,727 House Republicans refused to appropriate the money. 965 00:45:29,769 --> 00:45:32,439 ♪♪♪ 966 00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:33,565 Kim Masters: We've had this problem 967 00:45:33,606 --> 00:45:35,525 going from then until now. 968 00:45:35,567 --> 00:45:37,235 There's progress for feminism, 969 00:45:37,277 --> 00:45:39,070 and then there's this other current 970 00:45:39,112 --> 00:45:40,864 moving in the opposite direction. 971 00:45:40,905 --> 00:45:43,741 You wonder--are we really gonna make a change? 972 00:45:43,783 --> 00:45:45,702 Or were we just having a moment, 973 00:45:45,743 --> 00:45:48,204 and then everybody then goes back to how it was before? 974 00:45:48,246 --> 00:45:50,248 Women: We won't go back! 975 00:45:50,290 --> 00:45:52,125 We're here to confront and protest 976 00:45:52,167 --> 00:45:54,961 all of the forms of violence against women. 977 00:45:55,003 --> 00:45:56,713 And we're also here to send a message 978 00:45:56,754 --> 00:46:00,133 to Newt Gingrich and his cronies back here behind me 979 00:46:00,175 --> 00:46:01,885 that we won't go back! 980 00:46:01,926 --> 00:46:03,261 [cheering] 981 00:46:03,303 --> 00:46:06,598 It then took a lot of public pressure, 982 00:46:06,639 --> 00:46:10,810 until finally in 1995, there was funding 983 00:46:10,852 --> 00:46:12,479 for the Violence Against Women Act. 984 00:46:12,520 --> 00:46:15,273 ♪♪♪ 985 00:46:19,110 --> 00:46:22,864 [crickets chirping] 986 00:46:22,906 --> 00:46:24,532 Amalin Hoyt: I had a party at my house 987 00:46:24,574 --> 00:46:27,827 and we invited Lorena and her family. 988 00:46:27,869 --> 00:46:31,623 We were being too loud and it was like 1:00 in the morning. 989 00:46:31,664 --> 00:46:34,584 The police showed up. 990 00:46:34,626 --> 00:46:37,128 And her father says, "Amalin, wait. 991 00:46:37,170 --> 00:46:39,506 Let Lorena answer the door." 992 00:46:39,547 --> 00:46:41,799 She was like, "No, Dad!" 993 00:46:41,841 --> 00:46:45,512 The parents were all excited about the daughter 994 00:46:45,553 --> 00:46:47,222 being kind of famous. 995 00:46:47,263 --> 00:46:48,348 ♪♪♪ 996 00:46:50,266 --> 00:46:52,060 Lorena: Everybody thought that after the trial, 997 00:46:52,101 --> 00:46:53,895 everybody's gonna be fine and--and okay, 998 00:46:53,937 --> 00:46:59,609 but my family and myself, we have to go through a lot. 999 00:46:59,651 --> 00:47:01,319 ♪♪♪ 1000 00:47:01,361 --> 00:47:04,239 After the trial, my family came from Venezuela. 1001 00:47:04,280 --> 00:47:07,283 So I know I have the support, 1002 00:47:07,325 --> 00:47:09,994 but they didn't have the legal status 1003 00:47:10,036 --> 00:47:12,163 to work in the United States. 1004 00:47:12,205 --> 00:47:13,831 ♪♪♪ 1005 00:47:13,873 --> 00:47:17,085 I felt obligated to help my family, 1006 00:47:17,126 --> 00:47:19,671 but I also felt that all I wanted to do 1007 00:47:19,712 --> 00:47:23,716 was, uh, go back to school and, obviously, have a job. 1008 00:47:23,758 --> 00:47:26,219 ♪♪♪ 1009 00:47:26,261 --> 00:47:31,182 What happened had a big effect on my family. 1010 00:47:31,224 --> 00:47:34,978 They didn't know how to handle it. 1011 00:47:35,019 --> 00:47:37,313 There was a lot of tension. 1012 00:47:37,355 --> 00:47:40,567 At one point, you know, my family and I, 1013 00:47:40,608 --> 00:47:42,277 we just didn't talk. 1014 00:47:43,861 --> 00:47:47,699 They didn't know how to help me. 1015 00:47:47,740 --> 00:47:51,077 They wanted to help me, but they didn't know how to. 1016 00:47:51,119 --> 00:47:55,873 [birds twittering] 1017 00:47:55,915 --> 00:47:58,585 I think it was after a year or so, 1018 00:47:58,626 --> 00:48:02,547 the turning point in my life came. 1019 00:48:02,589 --> 00:48:05,466 ♪♪♪ 1020 00:48:05,508 --> 00:48:09,554 I started to go to shelters and talk about my experience 1021 00:48:09,596 --> 00:48:14,058 as a victim of domestic violence. 1022 00:48:14,100 --> 00:48:18,813 It was difficult at times to--to share the stories, 1023 00:48:18,855 --> 00:48:22,442 but the more I talked to them, the more I found out that 1024 00:48:22,483 --> 00:48:25,695 their stories are the same as mine. 1025 00:48:25,737 --> 00:48:29,866 I realized that I'm not alone, 1026 00:48:29,907 --> 00:48:34,120 and I wanted to keep talking more about it. 1027 00:48:34,162 --> 00:48:35,997 ♪♪♪ 1028 00:48:36,039 --> 00:48:38,750 I was getting stronger and stronger. 1029 00:48:38,791 --> 00:48:41,502 I was healing. 1030 00:48:41,544 --> 00:48:44,589 And that's what lift me up, 1031 00:48:44,631 --> 00:48:47,091 and that's how I did it. 1032 00:48:48,843 --> 00:48:49,969 ♪♪♪ 1033 00:49:06,152 --> 00:49:09,238 Look, I kinda-- kinda relate to Lorena, 1034 00:49:09,280 --> 00:49:11,532 'cause my--my mother went through the same thing. 1035 00:49:11,574 --> 00:49:16,037 ♪♪♪ 1036 00:49:16,079 --> 00:49:18,915 There was a lot of anger in my family with my dad 1037 00:49:18,956 --> 00:49:20,750 and he was abusive. 1038 00:49:20,792 --> 00:49:26,547 ♪♪♪ 1039 00:49:26,589 --> 00:49:31,219 My uncles, you know, would come over and beat him up 1040 00:49:31,260 --> 00:49:35,390 because he was... being violent or touching 1041 00:49:35,431 --> 00:49:37,308 their sister or... whatever. 1042 00:49:37,350 --> 00:49:39,811 ♪♪♪ 1043 00:49:39,852 --> 00:49:42,146 Eventually, he ended up leaving, 1044 00:49:42,188 --> 00:49:45,733 and, um, my mother had a mental breakdown. 1045 00:49:45,775 --> 00:49:48,528 Very, very loving lady, but, um... 1046 00:49:48,569 --> 00:49:50,405 ♪♪♪ 1047 00:49:50,446 --> 00:49:52,031 ...she couldn't handle taking care of the children 1048 00:49:52,073 --> 00:49:53,533 and being in the condition she was in. 1049 00:49:53,574 --> 00:49:56,661 ♪♪♪ 1050 00:49:56,703 --> 00:50:00,039 Father left us, so we lived in a ghetto. 1051 00:50:00,081 --> 00:50:02,375 At the time, there was a lot of hatred there. 1052 00:50:02,417 --> 00:50:04,335 ♪♪♪ 1053 00:50:04,377 --> 00:50:07,630 We were attacked by, uh, African Americans... 1054 00:50:07,672 --> 00:50:10,675 'cause we were the only white family in a black community. 1055 00:50:10,717 --> 00:50:14,429 And, uh, my mother was raped twi--twice, 1056 00:50:14,470 --> 00:50:17,724 and, they, uh, attacked me, knocked me down, 1057 00:50:17,765 --> 00:50:19,016 busted my head open. 1058 00:50:19,058 --> 00:50:21,602 ♪♪♪ 1059 00:50:21,644 --> 00:50:25,314 They burned down our house, so my uncle had to come save us. 1060 00:50:25,356 --> 00:50:29,318 ♪♪♪ 1061 00:50:29,360 --> 00:50:30,987 Me and my two brothers were brought 1062 00:50:31,028 --> 00:50:32,321 into my aunt and uncle's family. 1063 00:50:32,363 --> 00:50:34,490 ♪♪♪ 1064 00:50:34,532 --> 00:50:36,659 There were six boys, 1065 00:50:36,701 --> 00:50:39,620 um, so we all grew up together. 1066 00:50:39,662 --> 00:50:42,665 My biological mother, she would come around sometimes 1067 00:50:42,707 --> 00:50:44,208 during the holidays. 1068 00:50:44,250 --> 00:50:47,420 ♪♪♪ 1069 00:50:47,462 --> 00:50:53,134 But she--she didn't come around, uh, that much, uh, after that. 1070 00:50:53,176 --> 00:50:55,762 Pretty much--pretty much kept to herself. 1071 00:50:55,803 --> 00:50:56,846 And, uh... 1072 00:50:56,888 --> 00:51:00,767 ♪♪♪ 1073 00:51:00,808 --> 00:51:03,561 Then we had a--a pedophile uncle 1074 00:51:03,603 --> 00:51:05,396 that kind of abused us. 1075 00:51:05,438 --> 00:51:07,023 ♪♪♪ 1076 00:51:07,064 --> 00:51:09,150 We were six, seven, eight. 1077 00:51:09,192 --> 00:51:10,234 ♪♪♪ 1078 00:51:12,653 --> 00:51:15,823 He's passed away now, but you know, we kinda-- 1079 00:51:15,865 --> 00:51:19,035 we were young and did alcohol and was involved and, you know-- 1080 00:51:19,076 --> 00:51:21,621 he, you know, molest--molested some of us 1081 00:51:21,662 --> 00:51:25,583 and, you know-- we don't talk about it. 1082 00:51:25,625 --> 00:51:28,586 You know? So, uh... 1083 00:51:30,755 --> 00:51:32,507 Yeah, so... 1084 00:51:34,175 --> 00:51:35,301 Yeah. 1085 00:51:37,345 --> 00:51:38,471 Yeah. 1086 00:51:48,523 --> 00:51:51,984 Lorena: My path to the American dream 1087 00:51:52,026 --> 00:51:55,071 had a lot of bumps, 1088 00:51:55,112 --> 00:51:59,116 but nothing really stopped me from getting it. 1089 00:51:59,158 --> 00:52:02,078 ♪♪♪ 1090 00:52:02,119 --> 00:52:04,747 So I decided to go to school. 1091 00:52:04,789 --> 00:52:09,001 I went to college and I met David. 1092 00:52:09,043 --> 00:52:13,464 We start as friends and then our relationship grew. 1093 00:52:13,506 --> 00:52:15,049 ♪♪♪ 1094 00:52:15,091 --> 00:52:17,176 The relationship changed my life 1095 00:52:17,218 --> 00:52:20,805 because he showed kindness 1096 00:52:20,847 --> 00:52:24,433 and, uh, loyalty and--and it was very important for me. 1097 00:52:24,475 --> 00:52:28,729 Friendship turned into love. 1098 00:52:28,771 --> 00:52:30,857 ♪♪♪ 1099 00:52:35,736 --> 00:52:37,488 David Bellinger: Ever since I've known her, 1100 00:52:37,530 --> 00:52:41,367 she's always tried to help women and children. 1101 00:52:41,409 --> 00:52:43,286 20-something years old, you know, 1102 00:52:43,327 --> 00:52:47,123 struggling, but also finding a way to go to the local shelter 1103 00:52:47,164 --> 00:52:49,041 and buy, you know, 1104 00:52:49,083 --> 00:52:51,043 eight kids and their parents Christmas presents. 1105 00:52:51,085 --> 00:52:52,879 She's not the messenger. 1106 00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:55,423 She's the one that goes in and gets the stuff done. 1107 00:52:55,464 --> 00:52:57,508 She's making the phone call, or she's gonna be the one 1108 00:52:57,550 --> 00:52:58,676 meeting the women. 1109 00:52:58,718 --> 00:53:00,469 She gives these women hope. 1110 00:53:00,511 --> 00:53:01,637 And that's the most important thing 1111 00:53:01,679 --> 00:53:02,722 is she's there for 'em. 1112 00:53:02,763 --> 00:53:04,557 ♪♪♪ 1113 00:53:04,599 --> 00:53:06,976 Lorena: I basically serve people. 1114 00:53:07,018 --> 00:53:08,686 To me, that was very important 1115 00:53:08,728 --> 00:53:12,982 to--to give, you know... anything. 1116 00:53:13,024 --> 00:53:15,484 What--what made you take it, though? 1117 00:53:15,526 --> 00:53:19,405 I mean, you cut it off--why you leave with it? That's what I-- 1118 00:53:19,447 --> 00:53:21,240 [laughter] 1119 00:53:21,282 --> 00:53:23,367 You--you didn't think to just like lay it on the pillow, 1120 00:53:23,409 --> 00:53:24,702 so when he wake up-- 1121 00:53:24,744 --> 00:53:26,746 you wake up... 1122 00:53:26,787 --> 00:53:30,041 [laughter] 1123 00:53:30,082 --> 00:53:36,088 I look at the media as a double-edged sword. 1124 00:53:36,130 --> 00:53:40,885 If I have a comedian like Steve Harvey, for example, 1125 00:53:40,927 --> 00:53:42,970 I understand what I was getting into 1126 00:53:43,012 --> 00:53:44,597 when I got an invitation from him. 1127 00:53:44,639 --> 00:53:46,140 But when you threw it out the window, though... 1128 00:53:46,182 --> 00:53:47,516 - Yeah. - ...that's the part-- 1129 00:53:47,558 --> 00:53:50,186 - Now we got to go find it. - Yes. 1130 00:53:50,227 --> 00:53:52,438 Lorena: I knew that the jokes are gonna be there, 1131 00:53:52,480 --> 00:53:57,109 but as long as I shine a light on the issue 1132 00:53:57,151 --> 00:53:58,819 of domestic violence, 1133 00:53:58,861 --> 00:54:02,531 how bad it is, it's worth it. 1134 00:54:02,573 --> 00:54:03,908 [laughter] 1135 00:54:03,950 --> 00:54:05,201 Well, I'm glad that after 22 years, 1136 00:54:05,242 --> 00:54:06,786 you still laugh about it. 1137 00:54:06,827 --> 00:54:09,121 And I'm here to tell you, and to tell everyone, 1138 00:54:09,163 --> 00:54:12,458 what happened when a woman gets abused by a man. 1139 00:54:12,500 --> 00:54:14,710 [cheers and applause] 1140 00:54:14,752 --> 00:54:21,008 I went through the whole ordeal to have women understand that-- 1141 00:54:21,050 --> 00:54:22,969 that they're not alone, 1142 00:54:23,010 --> 00:54:26,597 and they can escape domestic violence if they need to, 1143 00:54:26,639 --> 00:54:30,726 and claim their lives again like I did. 1144 00:54:45,992 --> 00:54:51,455 These are letters that John has sent to me. 1145 00:54:51,497 --> 00:54:53,958 Some of them I haven't opened. 1146 00:54:54,000 --> 00:54:57,962 So it says, "Dear Lorena, 1147 00:54:58,004 --> 00:55:00,381 "I miss you very much, 1148 00:55:00,423 --> 00:55:07,096 "and if there was a choice to have any woman in the world, 1149 00:55:07,138 --> 00:55:09,265 "it will be you. 1150 00:55:09,306 --> 00:55:11,559 "I love my wife. 1151 00:55:11,600 --> 00:55:14,895 "I love your--your heart, 1152 00:55:14,937 --> 00:55:17,898 "and I love you very much. 1153 00:55:17,940 --> 00:55:23,320 "From your cold, unsensitive husband-- 1154 00:55:23,362 --> 00:55:24,989 "I just wanted to let you know 1155 00:55:25,031 --> 00:55:27,575 "that I thought about you today, 1156 00:55:27,616 --> 00:55:33,706 "and like always, it made me smile. 1157 00:55:33,748 --> 00:55:36,625 "You are also in my dreams. 1158 00:55:36,667 --> 00:55:38,919 Love always, John." 1159 00:55:38,961 --> 00:55:40,421 ♪♪♪ 1160 00:55:40,463 --> 00:55:44,341 "Lorena, do you remember when you told me 1161 00:55:44,383 --> 00:55:48,971 "that I didn't know how to treat a woman? 1162 00:55:49,013 --> 00:55:53,726 "Well, you were right. 1163 00:55:53,768 --> 00:55:57,730 "I didn't know how to treat or love you. 1164 00:55:57,772 --> 00:56:01,817 "I did take a long hard look at myself, 1165 00:56:01,859 --> 00:56:05,780 "and I deeply regret being the way I was. 1166 00:56:05,821 --> 00:56:11,577 "And I think it has a lot to do with being... 1167 00:56:11,619 --> 00:56:15,206 ♪♪♪ 1168 00:56:15,247 --> 00:56:19,418 "...a coldhearted, insensitive, 1169 00:56:19,460 --> 00:56:23,964 "self-centered, combat warrior. 1170 00:56:24,006 --> 00:56:26,550 ♪♪♪ 1171 00:56:26,592 --> 00:56:31,472 "That's the way I always felt. 1172 00:56:31,514 --> 00:56:36,727 "I should've been a kind, caring, and sensitive, 1173 00:56:36,769 --> 00:56:41,982 loving, unselfish husband that understand my wife." 1174 00:56:42,024 --> 00:56:45,152 ♪♪♪ 1175 00:56:45,194 --> 00:56:49,949 And he signed it "Your Eternal Flame." 1176 00:56:49,990 --> 00:56:52,409 ♪♪♪ 1177 00:56:52,451 --> 00:56:56,372 Through all the years he have tried to keep in touch with me 1178 00:56:56,413 --> 00:57:00,084 by sending me, on Valentine's, cards, 1179 00:57:00,126 --> 00:57:02,795 and, uh, "I love you." 1180 00:57:02,837 --> 00:57:06,090 Sending correspondence to the places 1181 00:57:06,132 --> 00:57:07,091 that I used to work. 1182 00:57:07,133 --> 00:57:09,510 ♪♪♪ 1183 00:57:09,552 --> 00:57:11,345 And why would he do this? You know. 1184 00:57:11,387 --> 00:57:13,931 Why would he just keep following me? 1185 00:57:13,973 --> 00:57:19,603 ♪♪♪ 1186 00:57:19,645 --> 00:57:23,482 I think she contacted me first. 1187 00:57:23,524 --> 00:57:25,151 Uh, and--and she basically wanted to know 1188 00:57:25,192 --> 00:57:26,986 how much money I had and this and that, 1189 00:57:27,027 --> 00:57:30,948 so, um, I really didn't get into it. 1190 00:57:30,990 --> 00:57:34,243 And then later, I tried to contact her for closure. 1191 00:57:34,285 --> 00:57:40,958 ♪♪♪ 1192 00:57:41,000 --> 00:57:43,669 Yeah, I wish--wish we could've done things differently. 1193 00:57:43,711 --> 00:57:45,504 Wish--wish--wish we could've talked, 1194 00:57:45,546 --> 00:57:48,924 wish we could've figured things out, 1195 00:57:48,966 --> 00:57:50,509 had a family together. 1196 00:57:50,551 --> 00:57:51,844 ♪♪♪ 1197 00:57:53,637 --> 00:57:55,890 Me and Lorena getting back together, 1198 00:57:55,931 --> 00:58:00,060 that would be the ultimate love, the ultimate forgiveness-- 1199 00:58:00,102 --> 00:58:02,229 that we, you know, sit down and reason things out, 1200 00:58:02,271 --> 00:58:05,024 and basically go over everything we went through, 1201 00:58:05,065 --> 00:58:08,903 and say, "You know what? We were young. 1202 00:58:08,944 --> 00:58:12,406 There's a lot we didn't know." Bury the hatchet, so to speak. 1203 00:58:13,824 --> 00:58:15,284 [snickers] 1204 00:58:17,661 --> 00:58:21,373 I mean, it's--you know, leave me alone. 1205 00:58:21,415 --> 00:58:25,127 I mean, it's--it's like, I cut his penis off. 1206 00:58:25,169 --> 00:58:26,962 I mean, just leave me alone. 1207 00:58:30,090 --> 00:58:31,258 ♪♪♪ 1208 00:58:49,985 --> 00:58:54,698 David Kaplan: This story was a modern love story. 1209 00:58:54,740 --> 00:58:57,993 Boy meets girl, boy falls in love with girl, 1210 00:58:58,035 --> 00:59:02,998 boy marries girl, boy abuses girl, 1211 00:59:03,040 --> 00:59:06,293 girl cuts off boy's penis, 1212 00:59:06,335 --> 00:59:10,256 national controversy and trial ensue. 1213 00:59:10,297 --> 00:59:13,008 Jeltsen: Every man was imagining, 1214 00:59:13,050 --> 00:59:15,636 "What would this be like if this happened to me?" 1215 00:59:15,678 --> 00:59:18,514 Every woman was wondering what it would take 1216 00:59:18,555 --> 00:59:19,890 to do something like that, 1217 00:59:19,932 --> 00:59:21,642 and for many of them, they knew. 1218 00:59:21,684 --> 00:59:23,894 ♪♪♪ 1219 00:59:23,936 --> 00:59:25,229 Fletcher: Over the years, I've come to see 1220 00:59:25,271 --> 00:59:28,357 how people could flip out, 1221 00:59:28,399 --> 00:59:31,110 'cause I've come to that point a couple times to myself, 1222 00:59:31,151 --> 00:59:33,529 where I could've went over the edge 1223 00:59:33,570 --> 00:59:35,197 and done something. 1224 00:59:35,239 --> 00:59:39,493 I'm glad I didn't, but eventually, you get there 1225 00:59:39,535 --> 00:59:40,619 and you understand. 1226 00:59:40,661 --> 00:59:43,914 ♪♪♪ 1227 00:59:43,956 --> 00:59:46,625 They can cut a million clits off in Africa, 1228 00:59:46,667 --> 00:59:48,419 and nobody hears a word. 1229 00:59:48,460 --> 00:59:51,922 Cut one dick off, and the whole fuckin' country stops. 1230 00:59:51,964 --> 00:59:54,258 [laughs] You know? 1231 00:59:54,300 --> 00:59:55,759 It's a man's world. 1232 00:59:55,801 --> 00:59:57,678 ♪♪♪ 1233 00:59:57,720 --> 01:00:01,015 Gandy: If Lorena's story hit today, 1234 01:00:01,056 --> 01:00:04,685 Fox News would take the place of Howard Stern, 1235 01:00:04,727 --> 01:00:10,274 and the 24-hour news cycle would focus on what she did 1236 01:00:10,316 --> 01:00:11,692 rather than what he did. 1237 01:00:11,734 --> 01:00:13,861 [engine revs] 1238 01:00:13,902 --> 01:00:15,779 What it meant in 1993 is not that different 1239 01:00:15,821 --> 01:00:16,947 from what it means today. 1240 01:00:16,989 --> 01:00:19,533 There is a battle of the sexes. 1241 01:00:19,575 --> 01:00:23,495 We have just seen a whole 'nother supercharged element 1242 01:00:23,537 --> 01:00:24,872 with all of the Harvey Weinstein, 1243 01:00:24,913 --> 01:00:26,373 and Trump in the White House. 1244 01:00:26,415 --> 01:00:30,002 It's the same story. 1245 01:00:30,044 --> 01:00:32,421 It's that we never got to a point of-- 1246 01:00:32,463 --> 01:00:34,631 anything that's truly equality. 1247 01:00:34,673 --> 01:00:38,886 Keegan: We were being entertained on the fodder 1248 01:00:38,927 --> 01:00:42,306 of someone else's real, human suffering. 1249 01:00:42,348 --> 01:00:44,683 ♪♪♪ 1250 01:00:44,725 --> 01:00:46,894 It's still going on. 1251 01:00:46,935 --> 01:00:51,231 ♪♪♪ 1252 01:00:51,273 --> 01:00:53,692 And I don't know when we're gonna wake up. 1253 01:00:53,734 --> 01:00:54,860 ♪♪♪ 1254 01:01:22,054 --> 01:01:23,430 ♪♪♪ 1255 01:01:23,480 --> 01:01:28,030 Repair and Synchronization by Easy Subtitles Synchronizer 1.0.0.0 95605

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