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She just went crazy. 13 00:00:43,961 --> 00:00:47,548 She struck out because she was angry because I was leaving her. 14 00:00:47,590 --> 00:00:49,842 ♪♪♪ 15 00:00:55,347 --> 00:00:58,142 She felt the husband was selfish because he had an orgasm 16 00:00:58,184 --> 00:00:59,643 and she didn't. 17 00:00:59,685 --> 00:01:01,812 So she grabbed a handful and sliced. 18 00:01:01,854 --> 00:01:04,106 I mean, this was one angry woman. 19 00:01:04,148 --> 00:01:05,566 - Whack it off. - I think she did it 20 00:01:05,608 --> 00:01:07,193 so he wouldn't have sex with anyone else. 21 00:01:07,234 --> 00:01:09,862 I think that was the real reason why she did it. 22 00:01:09,904 --> 00:01:13,032 Becki Rinker: There was a lot more than just a scorned wife 23 00:01:13,073 --> 00:01:14,867 who really just wanted to stick it to her husband. 24 00:01:14,909 --> 00:01:17,369 I mean, there was a reason why she got pushed to that point. 25 00:01:17,411 --> 00:01:19,121 Thinking about all the abuse that she's been through 26 00:01:19,163 --> 00:01:20,873 and everything--in the middle of the night? Hello! 27 00:01:20,915 --> 00:01:23,334 And how long can you beat on somebody before they flip? 28 00:01:23,375 --> 00:01:25,085 I don't know. I don't know what went through her mind, 29 00:01:25,127 --> 00:01:27,463 but I think she did-- I think she just went crazy. 30 00:01:27,505 --> 00:01:30,633 ♪♪♪ 31 00:01:30,674 --> 00:01:31,842 Woman: She seemed pretty crazy. 32 00:01:31,884 --> 00:01:33,469 Well, actually, she was angry. 33 00:01:33,511 --> 00:01:35,095 She wasn't insane right at that second. 34 00:01:37,223 --> 00:01:38,766 She wasn't loony. 35 00:01:38,808 --> 00:01:42,436 She flipped out over him beating her the last time 36 00:01:42,478 --> 00:01:45,147 or however the shit went down. I-- 37 00:01:45,189 --> 00:01:47,233 I know now why people flip out. 38 00:01:47,274 --> 00:01:49,944 Every action has a reaction. You know what I mean? 39 00:01:49,985 --> 00:01:51,529 Like, anybody that endures that kind of pain, man, 40 00:01:51,570 --> 00:01:53,697 the--the noodle's gonna slip off the plate. 41 00:01:53,739 --> 00:01:55,157 They're gonna go. 42 00:01:55,199 --> 00:01:58,202 ♪♪♪ 43 00:02:05,918 --> 00:02:08,337 - Do I look presentable? - Man: You do. 44 00:02:08,379 --> 00:02:10,631 - Is my hair combed? - Man: Yeah. 45 00:02:10,673 --> 00:02:12,299 Do I have spinach in my teeth? 46 00:02:14,301 --> 00:02:17,388 DAVID KAPLAN: The Bobbitt trial was great TV. 47 00:02:17,429 --> 00:02:20,057 We were gonna do it as a cover story. 48 00:02:20,140 --> 00:02:22,017 And that's what it would've looked like. 49 00:02:22,059 --> 00:02:24,228 It would've been "The Bobb-- Bobbitt Obsession" 50 00:02:24,270 --> 00:02:27,147 with a guest column unsympathetic to Lorena Bobbitt. 51 00:02:27,189 --> 00:02:29,108 Guest column by Rush Limbaugh. 52 00:02:29,149 --> 00:02:30,943 Uh, but this never ran. 53 00:02:33,070 --> 00:02:36,365 Later in that week, Skate Gate broke. 54 00:02:36,407 --> 00:02:38,993 Tonya Harding, Nancy Kerrigan-- 55 00:02:39,034 --> 00:02:42,955 My tabloid story was out-"tabloided." 56 00:02:45,457 --> 00:02:48,502 ♪♪♪ 57 00:02:54,466 --> 00:02:58,304 Man: Tabloid fans are certainly getting their fill this week. 58 00:02:58,345 --> 00:03:00,472 Nancy Kerrigan: Why? Why? 59 00:03:00,514 --> 00:03:02,433 Reporter: The man who had been videotaping Kerrigan, 60 00:03:02,474 --> 00:03:04,310 hit her on the leg with a club. 61 00:03:04,351 --> 00:03:06,353 And in Los Angeles, there is the continuing drama 62 00:03:06,395 --> 00:03:07,938 of the Menendez brothers. 63 00:03:07,980 --> 00:03:09,773 CNN has been following this third day 64 00:03:09,815 --> 00:03:12,067 of Lorena Bobbitt's trial in Manassas, Virginia... 65 00:03:12,109 --> 00:03:13,986 It was a lot. It was great fodder. 66 00:03:14,028 --> 00:03:17,281 You know, this was a wonderful time for tabloid TV. 67 00:03:18,866 --> 00:03:21,660 Man: I think that the line that used to be drawn 68 00:03:21,702 --> 00:03:24,538 between news and entertainment is now blurred. 69 00:03:24,580 --> 00:03:27,166 And I don't think that's a very good idea. 70 00:03:27,207 --> 00:03:29,001 There's nothing wrong with journalism 71 00:03:29,043 --> 00:03:30,502 being entertaining. 72 00:03:30,544 --> 00:03:32,838 Not everything has to be spinach. 73 00:03:32,880 --> 00:03:35,925 There's nothing wrong with tabloid stories. 74 00:03:35,966 --> 00:03:38,344 ♪♪♪ 75 00:03:38,385 --> 00:03:40,512 Carlos Sanchez: And what better tabloid story 76 00:03:40,554 --> 00:03:43,807 than the saga of John and Lorena Bobbitt? 77 00:03:43,849 --> 00:03:45,643 The whole country's gone court crazy. 78 00:03:45,684 --> 00:03:47,770 People have been talking about this case for months 79 00:03:47,811 --> 00:03:49,647 around the water cooler at work. 80 00:03:49,688 --> 00:03:51,440 This trial had it all. 81 00:03:51,482 --> 00:03:53,567 That's why we covered it. 82 00:03:53,609 --> 00:03:55,194 ♪♪♪ 83 00:03:55,235 --> 00:03:56,820 Reporter: Russia has agreed to sell 84 00:03:56,862 --> 00:03:59,657 500 metric tons of weapons-grade uranium. 85 00:03:59,698 --> 00:04:05,287 Kaplan: When CNN cut away to coverage of arms talks, 86 00:04:05,329 --> 00:04:07,790 they were deluged with complaints 87 00:04:07,831 --> 00:04:09,667 about how could they do so? 88 00:04:09,708 --> 00:04:12,920 Reporter: It's the old secret-thrill theory. 89 00:04:12,962 --> 00:04:16,382 And despite people's denials, it does seem to apply. 90 00:04:16,423 --> 00:04:18,175 Disgusted as you may be, 91 00:04:18,217 --> 00:04:21,136 you are watching this story, aren't you? 92 00:04:21,178 --> 00:04:23,764 - Oh, it was a madhouse. - It was--media-- 93 00:04:23,806 --> 00:04:25,140 - It was media-- - Media frenzy. 94 00:04:25,182 --> 00:04:26,517 I went out to have a cigarette 95 00:04:26,558 --> 00:04:27,768 and he pushed me in front of a camera. 96 00:04:27,810 --> 00:04:29,770 I didn't mean to. 97 00:04:29,812 --> 00:04:31,522 Diana: He was supposed to, 98 00:04:31,563 --> 00:04:33,732 you know, find me a safe place to have my cigarette. 99 00:04:33,774 --> 00:04:36,193 And apparently, they followed me because... 100 00:04:36,235 --> 00:04:39,029 they knew I had something to do with you. 101 00:04:40,948 --> 00:04:42,658 - Man 1: Nine. - Man 2: ABC. 102 00:04:44,702 --> 00:04:48,831 [indistinct chatter] 103 00:04:48,872 --> 00:04:51,125 Sanchez: The pressure to get information 104 00:04:51,166 --> 00:04:53,877 was--was enormous, it was constant. 105 00:04:53,919 --> 00:04:55,796 Woman: What's the status of their divorce? 106 00:04:55,838 --> 00:04:57,840 Man: How would you characterize both of them? 107 00:04:57,881 --> 00:04:59,383 Woman 1: Did he come to you-- 108 00:04:59,425 --> 00:05:01,135 - Woman 2: Did he talk about his wife? - Um... 109 00:05:01,176 --> 00:05:04,096 Sanchez: There is this notion that people in a newsroom 110 00:05:04,138 --> 00:05:08,100 are smart enough to weigh the pressures 111 00:05:08,142 --> 00:05:12,604 of competition against ethical considerations. 112 00:05:12,646 --> 00:05:16,275 But the pressures of competition will always win. 113 00:05:16,316 --> 00:05:17,651 Of course, all the competition 114 00:05:17,693 --> 00:05:19,486 was--was about trying to get interviews 115 00:05:19,528 --> 00:05:21,155 with John Wayne and Lorena. 116 00:05:21,196 --> 00:05:22,698 Man: Well, they're fighting over there. 117 00:05:22,740 --> 00:05:24,408 Don't you guys fight over there. 118 00:05:24,450 --> 00:05:29,455 There was a hundred reporters outside of my door. 119 00:05:29,496 --> 00:05:32,541 And they were just following me to the courthouse. 120 00:05:32,583 --> 00:05:35,753 And then at the courthouse, there was a hundred more. 121 00:05:35,794 --> 00:05:37,087 Woman: Lorena, any comment? 122 00:05:37,129 --> 00:05:38,088 Lorena! 123 00:05:38,130 --> 00:05:40,382 [indistinct chatter] 124 00:05:40,424 --> 00:05:41,800 Man: Lorena, I love you! 125 00:05:41,842 --> 00:05:43,010 Reporter: How do you feel? 126 00:05:43,052 --> 00:05:45,095 [chatter] 127 00:05:45,137 --> 00:05:48,807 One of the people who chased us relentlessly, 128 00:05:48,849 --> 00:05:50,434 uh, was Geraldo. 129 00:05:50,476 --> 00:05:53,604 And he was the most obnoxious guy. 130 00:05:53,645 --> 00:05:55,105 Just screaming over everybody 131 00:05:55,147 --> 00:05:56,523 and pushing his camera crew through-- 132 00:05:56,565 --> 00:05:58,442 just crushing people out of the way. 133 00:05:58,484 --> 00:06:01,528 Man: Stand back. Stand back. Get back. 134 00:06:01,570 --> 00:06:03,655 He would send me pictures of himself 135 00:06:03,697 --> 00:06:06,241 with his autograph. 136 00:06:06,283 --> 00:06:08,452 ♪♪♪ 137 00:06:08,494 --> 00:06:09,912 Alan Hauge: He was on the phone all the time, 138 00:06:09,953 --> 00:06:12,664 he's sending faxes every place we were. 139 00:06:12,706 --> 00:06:13,874 But this guy was showing up. 140 00:06:13,916 --> 00:06:15,626 [camera clicking] 141 00:06:15,667 --> 00:06:17,711 And I finally told Geraldo on the phone, 142 00:06:17,753 --> 00:06:19,755 I said, "I'm not giving you an interview." 143 00:06:24,510 --> 00:06:27,721 Lorena: I remember driving with my attorney. 144 00:06:27,763 --> 00:06:29,640 And this camera crew of Geraldo Rivera 145 00:06:29,681 --> 00:06:33,769 with the big mustache, was right next to us. 146 00:06:33,811 --> 00:06:37,147 And he had a crew of ten people. 147 00:06:37,189 --> 00:06:40,442 And--and a couple of vans running red lights 148 00:06:40,484 --> 00:06:42,653 and waving at me. 149 00:06:42,694 --> 00:06:44,321 [tires screech] 150 00:06:44,363 --> 00:06:48,826 So we just speed up and drive to the house. 151 00:06:48,867 --> 00:06:51,537 He will get off with his camera crew, 152 00:06:51,578 --> 00:06:54,373 and go through the windows of the house, 153 00:06:54,414 --> 00:06:56,917 trying to film. 154 00:06:56,959 --> 00:06:59,962 ♪♪♪ 155 00:07:04,716 --> 00:07:07,219 Alan Hauge: It was so overbearing on her, 156 00:07:07,261 --> 00:07:09,429 people chasing her, people showing up, 157 00:07:09,471 --> 00:07:11,098 people banging on the back door. 158 00:07:11,140 --> 00:07:13,308 [banging] 159 00:07:17,479 --> 00:07:20,858 Lorena: I would go home and I would just collapse. 160 00:07:20,899 --> 00:07:23,652 I didn't want to eat, I didn't want to see anybody. 161 00:07:23,694 --> 00:07:26,947 I just wanted to get into my room, close the door, 162 00:07:26,989 --> 00:07:29,199 and--and sleep all the time. 163 00:07:34,204 --> 00:07:36,290 [knocking] 164 00:07:38,834 --> 00:07:41,837 [bell dinging] 165 00:07:41,879 --> 00:07:45,716 [train whistle blares] 166 00:07:47,467 --> 00:07:49,386 Reporter: The Manassas, Virginia, manicurist is scheduled 167 00:07:49,428 --> 00:07:51,847 to return to the witness stand today to continue 168 00:07:51,889 --> 00:07:54,474 telling her side of the story. 169 00:07:54,516 --> 00:07:56,518 Medical experts are also scheduled to testify 170 00:07:56,560 --> 00:07:59,188 to Lorena's sanity or insanity 171 00:07:59,229 --> 00:08:01,148 at the time she mutilated her husband-- 172 00:08:01,190 --> 00:08:02,691 the ultimate question, after all, 173 00:08:02,733 --> 00:08:05,903 in determining her guilt or innocence. 174 00:08:05,944 --> 00:08:11,241 Everybody agreed in that case that she was an abused spouse. 175 00:08:11,283 --> 00:08:14,036 We had found multiple witnesses. 176 00:08:14,077 --> 00:08:16,872 That was of immeasurable assistance. 177 00:08:16,914 --> 00:08:20,709 But the, uh, mental defense-- 178 00:08:20,751 --> 00:08:23,545 I--I thought that that's gonna be very difficult. 179 00:08:23,587 --> 00:08:27,883 ♪♪♪ 180 00:08:27,925 --> 00:08:30,802 The defense that we put on was 181 00:08:30,844 --> 00:08:35,057 what is known in Virginia as irresistible impulse. 182 00:08:35,098 --> 00:08:37,559 Irresistible impulse is maybe unique 183 00:08:37,601 --> 00:08:39,102 to the Commonwealth of Virginia. 184 00:08:39,144 --> 00:08:42,105 It's sim-similar to temporary insanity. 185 00:08:42,147 --> 00:08:47,653 Blair Howard: And it means that because of a mental disorder, 186 00:08:47,694 --> 00:08:50,239 you are impacted at the time of the act 187 00:08:50,280 --> 00:08:51,823 to such a degree 188 00:08:51,865 --> 00:08:56,745 that you cannot control your impulse to act out. 189 00:08:56,787 --> 00:08:59,331 Dr. Evan Nelson: In my career, 190 00:08:59,373 --> 00:09:01,833 I've actually only had two cases 191 00:09:01,875 --> 00:09:04,169 involving insanity and jury trials 192 00:09:04,211 --> 00:09:06,213 where there's been an insanity outcome. 193 00:09:06,255 --> 00:09:10,550 Juries, generally, do not believe in insanity. 194 00:09:10,592 --> 00:09:15,305 Blair Howard: I knew that we were gonna be in for a struggle. 195 00:09:15,347 --> 00:09:17,683 Bailiff: All rise. 196 00:09:17,724 --> 00:09:19,476 The Circuit Court of Prince William County 197 00:09:19,518 --> 00:09:21,019 is now in session. 198 00:09:21,061 --> 00:09:24,231 The Honorable Herman A. Whisenant Jr. presiding. 199 00:09:24,273 --> 00:09:26,108 Be seated, come to order. 200 00:09:26,149 --> 00:09:27,818 Counsel, you may proceed. 201 00:09:27,859 --> 00:09:29,236 Lisa Kemler: ...Dr. Susan Feister. 202 00:09:30,904 --> 00:09:33,365 Susan J. Feister, MD. 203 00:09:33,407 --> 00:09:35,242 I'm the medical director 204 00:09:35,284 --> 00:09:36,785 at the Psychiatric Institute of Washington, D.C. 205 00:09:36,827 --> 00:09:39,288 I've treated hundreds of patients who have had 206 00:09:39,329 --> 00:09:43,500 a history of battering or a history of being raped. 207 00:09:43,542 --> 00:09:44,918 Lisa Kemler: Would you describe for the jury 208 00:09:44,960 --> 00:09:47,629 what Lorena Bobbitt told you 209 00:09:47,671 --> 00:09:50,424 about spring of 1990? 210 00:09:50,465 --> 00:09:54,261 Yes, she described being under almost a constant barrage 211 00:09:54,303 --> 00:09:57,097 of verbal violence and abuse. 212 00:09:57,139 --> 00:10:02,144 She continued to state that she loved her husband. 213 00:10:02,185 --> 00:10:05,814 She continued to hope that despite the abuse 214 00:10:05,856 --> 00:10:08,900 she had endured, that the marriage would work out. 215 00:10:08,942 --> 00:10:12,404 But this is very common in women who are experiencing 216 00:10:12,446 --> 00:10:14,072 this kind of battering and violence. 217 00:10:17,617 --> 00:10:19,870 Lorena: I was in love with him. 218 00:10:19,911 --> 00:10:21,246 He was my first love. 219 00:10:24,207 --> 00:10:26,084 I just wanted to give him a chance. 220 00:10:28,920 --> 00:10:32,257 The religious part of me played a big part. 221 00:10:32,299 --> 00:10:35,510 ♪♪♪ 222 00:10:35,552 --> 00:10:39,139 We were raised Catholic. 223 00:10:39,181 --> 00:10:42,517 So we grew up believing in God, obviously, 224 00:10:42,559 --> 00:10:45,645 and the Virgin Mary, and the saints. 225 00:10:45,687 --> 00:10:49,566 ♪♪♪ 226 00:10:49,608 --> 00:10:52,402 I always wanted to get married 227 00:10:52,444 --> 00:10:55,238 and stay married, 228 00:10:55,280 --> 00:10:59,743 because my parents are married for a long time. 229 00:10:59,785 --> 00:11:02,662 ♪♪♪ 230 00:11:02,704 --> 00:11:06,291 I was a virgin when I married John. 231 00:11:06,333 --> 00:11:10,796 I believed that I just give my whole life to this man, 232 00:11:10,837 --> 00:11:14,132 that I'm gonna be with him forever. 233 00:11:14,174 --> 00:11:17,177 ♪♪♪ 234 00:11:17,219 --> 00:11:22,140 And, um, you know, to me, divorce was a failure. 235 00:11:22,182 --> 00:11:25,185 ♪♪♪ 236 00:11:33,402 --> 00:11:38,698 When we used to live in Lakewood Apartments on 1990. 237 00:11:38,740 --> 00:11:42,369 James Lowe: How did it happen that you got pregnant? 238 00:11:42,411 --> 00:11:45,914 I--I stopped taking the birth control 239 00:11:45,956 --> 00:11:48,500 and, um, so I could become pregnant. 240 00:11:48,542 --> 00:11:50,877 James Lowe: Why did you want to become pregnant? 241 00:11:50,919 --> 00:11:54,673 Because I wanted to become a mother and because I wanted-- 242 00:11:54,714 --> 00:11:58,093 I wanted to-- uh, to have his child. 243 00:11:58,135 --> 00:12:00,762 Yeah. 244 00:12:00,804 --> 00:12:03,807 ♪♪♪ 245 00:12:06,226 --> 00:12:09,354 Lorena: When I found out that I was pregnant, 246 00:12:09,396 --> 00:12:12,649 I just have hopes that he was gonna change. 247 00:12:12,691 --> 00:12:15,026 ♪♪♪ 248 00:12:15,068 --> 00:12:18,196 I thought to myself, "This is it. 249 00:12:18,238 --> 00:12:21,491 The family that I always wanted." 250 00:12:21,533 --> 00:12:23,743 ♪♪♪ 251 00:12:23,785 --> 00:12:26,371 It's the beginning of a new life. 252 00:12:26,413 --> 00:12:30,292 It could be the end of sadness. 253 00:12:32,461 --> 00:12:34,212 Well, I didn't know nothing about the pregnancy at all 254 00:12:34,254 --> 00:12:35,589 until she came home from work one day 255 00:12:35,630 --> 00:12:37,674 and she put a bib around me and said, 256 00:12:37,716 --> 00:12:40,343 you know--you know, she was pregnant. 257 00:12:40,385 --> 00:12:43,180 I said-- You know, I was kinda shocked 258 00:12:43,221 --> 00:12:44,890 because I wasn't ready for something like that. 259 00:12:44,931 --> 00:12:47,225 And-- And I told her we weren't ready for children. 260 00:12:47,267 --> 00:12:48,602 I mean, we were just getting settled 261 00:12:48,643 --> 00:12:49,978 and we didn't have money, 262 00:12:50,020 --> 00:12:52,731 we didn't have financial security. 263 00:12:52,772 --> 00:12:54,232 We were way over our heads. 264 00:12:54,274 --> 00:12:55,901 We--We-- And then she wanted to get pregnant. 265 00:12:55,942 --> 00:12:57,777 And then, like-- What? 266 00:12:57,819 --> 00:13:00,071 Because she was from South America and she-- 267 00:13:00,113 --> 00:13:03,825 you know, she didn't have what it took to, you know, 268 00:13:03,867 --> 00:13:05,035 live within her means. 269 00:13:05,076 --> 00:13:07,704 She wanted too much, too fast. 270 00:13:07,746 --> 00:13:09,414 Uh, she wanted it all. 271 00:13:09,456 --> 00:13:12,459 Dr. Feister: He became extremely enraged. 272 00:13:12,501 --> 00:13:15,670 He told her that she would make a terrible mother. 273 00:13:15,712 --> 00:13:19,049 Uh, and that, um, if she did have a child, 274 00:13:19,090 --> 00:13:22,969 that he would refuse to, um, help out or support the child. 275 00:13:23,011 --> 00:13:25,931 And essentially, he told her she had to make a choice, 276 00:13:25,972 --> 00:13:27,891 either between him or the baby. 277 00:13:29,643 --> 00:13:31,269 John: She talked to Janet. 278 00:13:31,311 --> 00:13:33,563 Janet told her she had a couple abortions. 279 00:13:33,605 --> 00:13:35,065 You know, it wasn't that bad. 280 00:13:40,695 --> 00:13:43,448 So we both agreed about getting an abortion. 281 00:13:45,867 --> 00:13:48,870 ♪♪♪ 282 00:13:53,208 --> 00:13:56,670 Lorena: He said, "Well, you cannot have this child. 283 00:13:56,711 --> 00:14:01,883 You're gonna go and do what--what bad girls do." 284 00:14:04,261 --> 00:14:06,972 He took me against my will. 285 00:14:10,392 --> 00:14:12,102 The whole time, he was joking 286 00:14:12,143 --> 00:14:14,145 about how big the needles was gonna be, 287 00:14:14,187 --> 00:14:17,023 that I'm gonna be put to sleep. 288 00:14:19,276 --> 00:14:21,778 I was crying so much and shaking that 289 00:14:21,820 --> 00:14:24,614 the nurse came and took me away from him. 290 00:14:27,742 --> 00:14:29,828 They give me something to calm me 291 00:14:29,869 --> 00:14:32,831 and they start the procedure. 292 00:14:34,958 --> 00:14:37,627 I--I really felt that-- 293 00:14:37,669 --> 00:14:41,047 I felt guilty after the whole thing. 294 00:14:53,268 --> 00:14:57,105 I couldn't eat. I was--I feel very weak. 295 00:14:57,147 --> 00:15:01,192 I feel sick. I feel like the life is over. 296 00:15:01,234 --> 00:15:02,736 I felt... 297 00:15:04,446 --> 00:15:09,200 I felt like I was falling apart. 298 00:15:09,242 --> 00:15:12,245 ♪♪♪ 299 00:15:15,290 --> 00:15:17,917 He would taunt her with repeated 300 00:15:17,959 --> 00:15:21,171 degrading and demeaning comments. 301 00:15:21,212 --> 00:15:24,758 He told me that-- that I was Spanish 302 00:15:24,799 --> 00:15:26,718 and I don't deserve him. 303 00:15:26,760 --> 00:15:29,763 He told her she was ugly, that she had a bad figure, 304 00:15:29,804 --> 00:15:31,598 that she couldn't speak English. 305 00:15:31,640 --> 00:15:35,352 A number of them were comments that had racial overtones. 306 00:15:35,393 --> 00:15:37,562 Lorena started to believe a lot of the things 307 00:15:37,604 --> 00:15:39,356 that John was telling her. 308 00:15:39,397 --> 00:15:42,859 She began to feel worthless, that she was unattractive, 309 00:15:42,901 --> 00:15:45,153 that no one would want her. 310 00:15:45,195 --> 00:15:47,697 I think she thought if they got a divorce 311 00:15:47,739 --> 00:15:49,032 that she would have to go back, 312 00:15:49,074 --> 00:15:50,784 that she couldn't stay. 313 00:15:50,825 --> 00:15:52,952 'Cause she was afraid of being sent back. 314 00:15:52,994 --> 00:15:55,789 - Deported to her homeland-- - Deported. 315 00:15:57,540 --> 00:15:59,876 Lorena: Every time he fight with me, 316 00:15:59,918 --> 00:16:03,755 he threatened to take away all my paperwork 317 00:16:03,797 --> 00:16:05,090 from Immigration. 318 00:16:05,131 --> 00:16:08,134 ♪♪♪ 319 00:16:10,679 --> 00:16:12,639 I was scared. 320 00:16:12,681 --> 00:16:15,558 I mean, all of this-- things that John was saying, 321 00:16:15,600 --> 00:16:17,102 "Oh, you're gonna be deported, 322 00:16:17,143 --> 00:16:18,895 you're gonna be sent out to South America. 323 00:16:18,937 --> 00:16:21,231 You know, you're not gonna get the green card. 324 00:16:21,272 --> 00:16:25,527 And you're an alien, you're a foreigner." 325 00:16:25,568 --> 00:16:27,612 ♪♪♪ 326 00:16:27,654 --> 00:16:30,365 He told me that I don't deserve to be in this country. 327 00:16:30,407 --> 00:16:33,910 And he always threatened me to tell Immigration 328 00:16:33,952 --> 00:16:36,913 that they can kick me out. 329 00:16:36,955 --> 00:16:39,958 During her testimony, she said several times 330 00:16:39,999 --> 00:16:43,586 that he would denigrate her because she was Hispanic. 331 00:16:43,628 --> 00:16:48,717 I think that fed into local Hispanic radio. 332 00:16:48,758 --> 00:16:53,930 And they began to lament about, uh, this Hispanic woman 333 00:16:53,972 --> 00:16:56,015 kind of being out there. 334 00:16:56,057 --> 00:16:59,811 [man speaking Spanish] 335 00:17:07,902 --> 00:17:10,196 To begin with, I didn't know her personally. 336 00:17:10,238 --> 00:17:13,783 But after the news, I heard so much 337 00:17:13,825 --> 00:17:17,036 because it was almost every day and every channel in everywhere 338 00:17:17,078 --> 00:17:18,913 talking about Lorena Bobbitt. 339 00:17:21,166 --> 00:17:22,876 I was afraid for her, to be honest. 340 00:17:22,917 --> 00:17:25,879 As a woman, as a mother, as a sister. 341 00:17:28,548 --> 00:17:31,885 I called the radio station and I said, 342 00:17:31,926 --> 00:17:34,053 whoever want to come and support Lorena, 343 00:17:34,095 --> 00:17:36,181 I will be-- really appreciate it 344 00:17:36,222 --> 00:17:41,269 because this young lady who's in this country by herself 345 00:17:41,311 --> 00:17:42,729 and being abused... 346 00:17:42,771 --> 00:17:45,648 she needs support. 347 00:17:45,690 --> 00:17:50,153 I didn't believe it will be so big a response... 348 00:17:50,195 --> 00:17:52,822 [crowd chattering] 349 00:17:52,864 --> 00:17:54,824 [man speaking Spanish] 350 00:18:00,497 --> 00:18:02,373 Man: Yeah, why is everyone here today? 351 00:18:02,415 --> 00:18:05,084 Why? We come to support to Lorena. 352 00:18:05,126 --> 00:18:08,254 ♪♪♪ 353 00:18:08,296 --> 00:18:10,173 Sanchez: A lot of the Hispanic community 354 00:18:10,215 --> 00:18:11,883 living, particularly, 355 00:18:11,925 --> 00:18:16,346 in Maryland and D.C., didn't have access to Manassas, 356 00:18:16,387 --> 00:18:20,225 because Manassas was beyond the reach of the Metro rail. 357 00:18:20,266 --> 00:18:22,352 ♪♪♪ 358 00:18:22,393 --> 00:18:24,020 Gladys Oralla: I was in Maryland, 359 00:18:24,062 --> 00:18:27,857 but I took the train all the way to Virginia. 360 00:18:27,899 --> 00:18:29,651 And then I took a taxi. 361 00:18:29,692 --> 00:18:31,736 ♪♪♪ 362 00:18:31,778 --> 00:18:34,280 And I didn't realize that I have no money. 363 00:18:34,322 --> 00:18:37,826 And I say to the drivers, "Excuse me. 364 00:18:37,867 --> 00:18:39,661 How much is gonna be? 365 00:18:39,702 --> 00:18:41,955 'Cause I have only $5 in my wallet." 366 00:18:41,996 --> 00:18:45,834 He say, "Oh, no. Don't worry. I'll take you for free... 367 00:18:45,875 --> 00:18:49,504 because my mother was abused as well." 368 00:18:52,257 --> 00:18:54,801 Sanchez: People were calling in the Spanish stations 369 00:18:54,843 --> 00:18:57,595 and basically offering rides to other Hispanics 370 00:18:57,637 --> 00:19:00,181 to come show their support. 371 00:19:00,223 --> 00:19:03,393 ♪♪♪ 372 00:19:03,434 --> 00:19:05,937 Crowd: [chanting] Free Lorena Bobbitt! 373 00:19:05,979 --> 00:19:11,776 Free Lorena Bobbitt! Free Lorena Bobbitt! 374 00:19:11,818 --> 00:19:15,071 Sanchez: It was a bitterly cold January. 375 00:19:15,113 --> 00:19:17,156 There was a lot of snow that month. 376 00:19:17,198 --> 00:19:19,534 There was a lot of ice storms that month. 377 00:19:19,576 --> 00:19:21,536 Crowd: [chanting] Free Lorena! 378 00:19:21,578 --> 00:19:23,288 Free Lorena! 379 00:19:23,329 --> 00:19:27,208 Sanchez: But on a daily basis during Lorena's trial, 380 00:19:27,250 --> 00:19:31,379 there was easily 50 to 100 Hispanic supporters 381 00:19:31,421 --> 00:19:33,256 from all over the region 382 00:19:33,298 --> 00:19:37,010 who were there to cheer her on for about 30 seconds 383 00:19:37,051 --> 00:19:38,344 when she entered the courthouse 384 00:19:38,386 --> 00:19:40,305 and when she left the courthouse. 385 00:19:40,346 --> 00:19:41,973 And they stayed there all day. 386 00:19:42,015 --> 00:19:47,729 [chanting and cheering] 387 00:19:56,446 --> 00:19:58,448 Lorena: It was incredible. 388 00:19:58,489 --> 00:20:00,533 It make me feel that I wasn't alone. 389 00:20:00,575 --> 00:20:01,701 [chanting and cheering] 390 00:20:01,743 --> 00:20:03,620 Man: Lorena! Lorena! 391 00:20:03,661 --> 00:20:06,289 We are with you, Lorena! 392 00:20:06,331 --> 00:20:07,749 ♪♪♪ 393 00:20:07,790 --> 00:20:10,418 Lorena: That meant so much to me. 394 00:20:10,460 --> 00:20:12,670 I never forget that. Never. 395 00:20:12,712 --> 00:20:16,341 ♪♪♪ 396 00:20:19,052 --> 00:20:22,055 ♪♪♪ 397 00:20:28,728 --> 00:20:31,230 Lowe: In early June, was there an incident, 398 00:20:31,272 --> 00:20:33,316 involving a tape recorder? 399 00:20:33,358 --> 00:20:35,652 Yes, sir. It was. 400 00:20:35,693 --> 00:20:37,278 Lowe: Why did you have the tape recorder? 401 00:20:37,320 --> 00:20:41,240 I wanted to have a divorce, 402 00:20:41,282 --> 00:20:43,785 so I--I got myself a tape recorder. 403 00:20:43,826 --> 00:20:46,788 And I recorded the insults and the put-downs 404 00:20:46,829 --> 00:20:51,084 that he did to me so I can show it to the divorce lawyer. 405 00:20:51,125 --> 00:20:52,669 Lowe: What happened the night of the tape, 406 00:20:52,710 --> 00:20:54,629 that he found the tape recorder? What did he do? 407 00:20:54,671 --> 00:20:57,632 He hit me. He slapped me. 408 00:20:57,674 --> 00:21:02,053 He pulled my hair. And he beat me out there. 409 00:21:02,095 --> 00:21:05,807 He also raped me there. 410 00:21:05,848 --> 00:21:08,101 Lowe: When you'd resist sex, what kind of sex would-- 411 00:21:08,142 --> 00:21:10,812 would he threaten you with? 412 00:21:10,853 --> 00:21:13,648 He will-- he will have anal sex. 413 00:21:13,690 --> 00:21:16,317 And he will force me into sex. 414 00:21:16,359 --> 00:21:18,486 Lowe: Were you afraid of him at this time? 415 00:21:18,528 --> 00:21:20,405 Yes, sir, I was. 416 00:21:20,446 --> 00:21:22,031 Lowe: And he threatened to do something to you when you left. 417 00:21:22,073 --> 00:21:23,533 Yes, sir, he did. 418 00:21:23,574 --> 00:21:24,867 Lowe: What did he threaten to do to you if you left? 419 00:21:24,909 --> 00:21:26,577 That he will follow me because he will know-- 420 00:21:26,619 --> 00:21:28,746 He will stay outside of my work. 421 00:21:28,788 --> 00:21:31,916 He know where I work and he will follow me... 422 00:21:31,958 --> 00:21:33,418 no matter what. 423 00:21:33,459 --> 00:21:37,588 And he can have any kind of sex anywhere, anyhow, 424 00:21:37,630 --> 00:21:39,090 no matter what. 425 00:21:39,132 --> 00:21:40,842 That's what he told me. 426 00:21:45,722 --> 00:21:47,432 Lorena: It was a nightmare. 427 00:21:50,184 --> 00:21:52,020 I was ashamed, I was scared. 428 00:21:52,061 --> 00:21:54,230 I couldn't even talk to anybody 429 00:21:54,272 --> 00:21:56,816 because it was just embarrassing 430 00:21:56,858 --> 00:21:59,318 and painful. 431 00:21:59,360 --> 00:22:03,364 ♪♪♪ 432 00:22:03,406 --> 00:22:06,701 I felt that I'm living in hell. 433 00:22:09,328 --> 00:22:13,750 I felt a sense of peace when he wasn't at home. 434 00:22:13,791 --> 00:22:16,044 ♪♪♪ 435 00:22:16,085 --> 00:22:20,256 I mean, I--I liked that-- so at least for that part, 436 00:22:20,298 --> 00:22:23,301 I wasn't abused. 437 00:22:23,342 --> 00:22:26,262 And then everything start all over again. 438 00:22:26,304 --> 00:22:29,307 ♪♪♪ 439 00:22:31,434 --> 00:22:34,145 It's like, he didn't let go of me. 440 00:22:34,187 --> 00:22:37,273 ♪♪♪ 441 00:22:37,315 --> 00:22:40,151 I was suffering from anxiety. 442 00:22:40,193 --> 00:22:42,361 I couldn't eat anything. Anything that I will eat, 443 00:22:42,403 --> 00:22:44,822 I will just throw up. 444 00:22:44,864 --> 00:22:46,532 I couldn't even sleep. 445 00:22:46,574 --> 00:22:48,451 My health was deteriorating. 446 00:22:48,493 --> 00:22:51,496 ♪♪♪ 447 00:22:59,712 --> 00:23:01,130 Woman: Lorena Bobbitt 448 00:23:01,172 --> 00:23:03,341 is one of the more celebrated battered women, 449 00:23:03,382 --> 00:23:05,134 but we never hear about the countless 450 00:23:05,176 --> 00:23:07,470 other victims-- and there are lots of them. 451 00:23:07,512 --> 00:23:10,264 Studies show male partners are responsible 452 00:23:10,306 --> 00:23:14,393 for 4 million assaults on women a year. 453 00:23:14,435 --> 00:23:16,938 Melissa Jeltsen: In 1993, when this happened, 454 00:23:16,979 --> 00:23:20,942 over 2,000 women were killed by their intimate partners. 455 00:23:20,983 --> 00:23:22,860 We didn't have a national hotline 456 00:23:22,902 --> 00:23:24,445 for domestic violence victims. 457 00:23:24,487 --> 00:23:27,657 We didn't have federal funding for shelters. 458 00:23:27,698 --> 00:23:29,325 So, you know, for desperate women 459 00:23:29,367 --> 00:23:31,369 who were stuck in these situations, 460 00:23:31,410 --> 00:23:34,288 we see them, you know, taking desperate measures. 461 00:23:34,330 --> 00:23:36,958 In some cases, the women fight back. 462 00:23:36,999 --> 00:23:39,544 Some even kill their batterers. 463 00:23:39,585 --> 00:23:41,754 And when they do, what should happen? 464 00:23:41,796 --> 00:23:44,257 [siren wailing] 465 00:23:44,298 --> 00:23:46,551 Man: The standard of the law is clear. 466 00:23:46,592 --> 00:23:49,720 To claim self-defense, you have to be in imminent danger, 467 00:23:49,762 --> 00:23:53,307 under attack, literally fighting for your life. 468 00:23:53,349 --> 00:23:55,017 [woman cries out] 469 00:23:55,059 --> 00:23:56,352 - Woman 1: Squeeze my hand. - Woman 2: Squeeze Suzy's hand. 470 00:23:56,394 --> 00:23:57,895 Man: But a new legal standard 471 00:23:57,937 --> 00:23:59,438 called the battered woman syndrome 472 00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:02,984 is forcing Americans to redefine self-defense. 473 00:24:03,025 --> 00:24:07,822 Experts liken it to post-traumatic stress disorder. 474 00:24:07,864 --> 00:24:12,243 A heightened sense of fear, a sense of isolation 475 00:24:12,285 --> 00:24:15,496 from other people, a feeling of powerlessness 476 00:24:15,538 --> 00:24:18,249 and helplessness that her own actions 477 00:24:18,291 --> 00:24:20,543 do not have much of an effect. 478 00:24:20,585 --> 00:24:23,171 Um, lowered self-esteem. 479 00:24:23,212 --> 00:24:26,841 Woman: Scared for my life. I still am. 480 00:24:26,883 --> 00:24:30,303 Even though they knew he had detained me, 481 00:24:30,344 --> 00:24:32,972 even though I told 'em he threw me up against a refrigerator, 482 00:24:33,014 --> 00:24:35,725 even though I told 'em that he had threatened to kill me, 483 00:24:35,766 --> 00:24:37,101 they said there was nothing they can do. 484 00:24:37,143 --> 00:24:38,477 I don't have enough evidence 485 00:24:38,519 --> 00:24:39,979 to make any charges at this time. 486 00:24:40,021 --> 00:24:43,065 ♪♪♪ 487 00:24:43,107 --> 00:24:44,525 If you smack your wife the first time 488 00:24:44,567 --> 00:24:45,902 and get away with it, 489 00:24:45,943 --> 00:24:48,070 it's easier to punch her the second time. 490 00:24:48,112 --> 00:24:49,822 It's easier to stab her the third time. 491 00:24:49,864 --> 00:24:51,616 And it's easier to kill her the fourth time. 492 00:24:51,657 --> 00:24:53,576 ♪♪♪ 493 00:24:53,618 --> 00:24:56,329 Evan Nelson: In criminal cases, self-defense is where you feel 494 00:24:56,370 --> 00:24:59,373 like you are imminently about to be attacked. 495 00:24:59,415 --> 00:25:01,292 But with battered women syndrome, 496 00:25:01,334 --> 00:25:03,878 the idea is that we're stretching this. 497 00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:05,796 That the imminence may be, 498 00:25:05,838 --> 00:25:08,591 "He might come back to abuse me in a couple of days. 499 00:25:08,633 --> 00:25:10,092 "Or a couple of weeks. 500 00:25:10,134 --> 00:25:12,595 And that this is my time when I can respond." 501 00:25:12,637 --> 00:25:16,599 And during the 1990s, there were a lot of cases 502 00:25:16,641 --> 00:25:19,101 that tried to use battered women syndrome 503 00:25:19,143 --> 00:25:22,146 as a defense in the courtroom. 504 00:25:22,188 --> 00:25:24,857 Woman: In her mind, often, 505 00:25:24,899 --> 00:25:28,277 she's also acting on all the previous acts, 506 00:25:28,319 --> 00:25:31,197 and so it raises her level of fear 507 00:25:31,239 --> 00:25:34,158 to the legal standard of self-defense. 508 00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:36,077 ♪♪♪ 509 00:25:36,118 --> 00:25:38,788 Alan Dershowitz: She didn't use the simple option-- 510 00:25:38,829 --> 00:25:39,872 get out. 511 00:25:39,914 --> 00:25:42,166 Move. Do something. 512 00:25:42,208 --> 00:25:44,210 You don't go to the kitchen, pick up a knife, 513 00:25:44,252 --> 00:25:46,045 and mutilate your husband. 514 00:25:46,087 --> 00:25:48,881 That's the last recourse, not the first recourse. 515 00:25:48,923 --> 00:25:51,926 So many people think they know what they would do 516 00:25:51,968 --> 00:25:53,594 if something happened. 517 00:25:53,636 --> 00:25:57,306 ♪♪♪ 518 00:25:57,348 --> 00:25:59,976 "If my husband ever raised a hand to me, 519 00:26:00,017 --> 00:26:02,645 I'd be out of there immediately." Right? 520 00:26:02,687 --> 00:26:05,356 I've heard so-- countless women say that, 521 00:26:05,398 --> 00:26:07,275 but the reality is that you don't know 522 00:26:07,316 --> 00:26:10,027 what you'd do if somebody you loved 523 00:26:10,069 --> 00:26:11,445 raised a hand to you. 524 00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:16,617 Man: Some women stay in abusive relationships 525 00:26:16,659 --> 00:26:18,995 because they see no way out. 526 00:26:19,036 --> 00:26:23,332 It is not at all uncommon for batterers to threaten, 527 00:26:23,374 --> 00:26:25,042 um, the battered woman, 528 00:26:25,084 --> 00:26:27,670 that if she tries to leave the relationship, 529 00:26:27,712 --> 00:26:29,755 that they will come and find her 530 00:26:29,797 --> 00:26:33,676 and she will suffer further harm. 531 00:26:33,718 --> 00:26:36,470 Woman: Women are a lot more vulnerable once they do leave. 532 00:26:38,264 --> 00:26:41,517 He's more likely to kill her after she leaves him. 533 00:26:41,559 --> 00:26:43,894 ♪♪♪ 534 00:26:43,936 --> 00:26:46,856 Jeltsen: We know so much now about what happens 535 00:26:46,897 --> 00:26:52,194 in abusive relationships, in the lead-up to a homicide. 536 00:26:52,236 --> 00:26:53,946 We know that most women are killed, 537 00:26:53,988 --> 00:26:55,573 either in the process of leaving their partner, 538 00:26:55,614 --> 00:26:58,617 or in the six months at-- directly afterward. 539 00:26:58,659 --> 00:27:01,704 So that's a really volatile time and the reason why we have 540 00:27:01,746 --> 00:27:04,248 restraining orders, so that women can be protected 541 00:27:04,290 --> 00:27:06,083 while they're trying to leave. 542 00:27:06,125 --> 00:27:07,710 So, it makes complete sense that that was something 543 00:27:07,752 --> 00:27:11,088 Lorena Bobbitt was trying to do at the time. 544 00:27:22,224 --> 00:27:25,603 I think it was in the morning, sir. 545 00:27:27,355 --> 00:27:30,358 ♪♪♪ 546 00:27:48,584 --> 00:27:52,463 No, he told me to come back three or four hours later-- 547 00:27:52,505 --> 00:27:54,840 or Wednesday, 'cause his secretary 548 00:27:54,882 --> 00:27:57,176 wasn't at lunchtime or something. 549 00:28:02,098 --> 00:28:03,599 Yes. Yes. 550 00:28:06,018 --> 00:28:10,648 ♪♪♪ 551 00:28:10,689 --> 00:28:13,609 Howard: They were staying in the same household, 552 00:28:13,651 --> 00:28:16,737 but she had announced that she was moving out. 553 00:28:16,779 --> 00:28:19,865 She'd moved some of her stuff to a next-door-neighbor's house. 554 00:28:19,907 --> 00:28:22,576 And she essentially said, 555 00:28:22,618 --> 00:28:25,788 "I was sleeping there, but that was it." 556 00:28:25,830 --> 00:28:29,291 ♪♪♪ 557 00:28:29,333 --> 00:28:32,044 Diana Fletcher: She had brought her stuff to my apartment. 558 00:28:32,086 --> 00:28:35,840 [sighs] I don't remember what we talked about. 559 00:28:35,881 --> 00:28:39,385 I know we talked about him. 560 00:28:39,427 --> 00:28:42,304 Lowe: As I understand it, during this last week or so, 561 00:28:42,346 --> 00:28:45,349 before this incident, Lorena reported to you 562 00:28:45,391 --> 00:28:47,393 that she intended to leave John. 563 00:28:47,435 --> 00:28:49,019 Diana: She told me that Sunday night. 564 00:28:49,061 --> 00:28:50,688 Lowe: She told you that he'd been raping her? 565 00:28:50,729 --> 00:28:52,273 Yeah, that he had raped her and beat her. 566 00:28:52,314 --> 00:28:53,607 Lowe: Did she also tell you, 567 00:28:53,649 --> 00:28:54,942 uh, that she was tired of the abuse? 568 00:28:54,984 --> 00:28:58,279 - Yes. - Lowe: Did she also tell you 569 00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:00,489 that her husband would track her down 570 00:29:00,531 --> 00:29:02,366 or--had threatened to track her down, 571 00:29:02,408 --> 00:29:03,868 whatever she did? 572 00:29:03,909 --> 00:29:05,411 He said he-- he always came and found her 573 00:29:05,453 --> 00:29:07,913 when she left him. 574 00:29:07,955 --> 00:29:09,331 Lowe: She did not appear to you 575 00:29:09,373 --> 00:29:12,710 to be either vengeful or mad, did she? 576 00:29:12,751 --> 00:29:14,670 No. 577 00:29:14,712 --> 00:29:16,714 Diana: I feel I didn't do enough to help her. 578 00:29:16,755 --> 00:29:18,799 I really do. 579 00:29:18,841 --> 00:29:22,303 But I don't--you know, I don't know what else I could've done. 580 00:29:22,344 --> 00:29:24,388 You can't make somebody leave their husband 581 00:29:24,430 --> 00:29:26,849 if they don't want to leave. 582 00:29:28,893 --> 00:29:31,479 I know she--you get to a breaking point. 583 00:29:33,898 --> 00:29:35,649 Anybody's gonna break-- to a point, 584 00:29:35,691 --> 00:29:39,737 if they're--endure that much aggression, or abuse, 585 00:29:39,778 --> 00:29:42,281 or whatever it is. 586 00:29:42,323 --> 00:29:45,743 Anybody. Her, you, him. Whoever. 587 00:29:47,661 --> 00:29:51,207 There's no question that this guy tormented this lady. 588 00:29:51,248 --> 00:29:53,417 I mean, just-- the conversations, you know, 589 00:29:53,459 --> 00:29:56,921 people kinda sharing stories of what they saw with you-- 590 00:29:56,962 --> 00:30:00,049 you know, there was a reason it went down like that. 591 00:30:00,090 --> 00:30:03,093 ♪♪♪ 592 00:30:04,845 --> 00:30:09,725 Diana: I told her, you know, there are places you can go. 593 00:30:09,767 --> 00:30:13,729 But she went back home. 594 00:30:13,771 --> 00:30:15,898 And I think it was the next night that she did it. 595 00:30:15,940 --> 00:30:18,359 - It was a Wednesday. - Was it? 596 00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:21,487 - Yes, it was. - I don't remember. [chuckles] 597 00:30:21,529 --> 00:30:22,947 Tuesday night, Wednesday morning-- 598 00:30:22,988 --> 00:30:24,573 something like that. 599 00:30:27,326 --> 00:30:30,329 ♪♪♪ 600 00:30:32,498 --> 00:30:38,462 Lorena: June 22, 1993 was-- 601 00:30:38,504 --> 00:30:40,756 I remember summer-- summertime. 602 00:30:40,798 --> 00:30:43,551 ♪♪♪ 603 00:30:43,592 --> 00:30:47,137 I went to work. I was working. 604 00:30:49,056 --> 00:30:50,766 I was working fine. 605 00:30:52,226 --> 00:30:54,436 [phone ringing] 606 00:30:54,478 --> 00:30:57,481 He called me at work 607 00:30:57,523 --> 00:31:01,110 asking what time I was supposed to be home. 608 00:31:01,151 --> 00:31:03,112 And I told him. I said, "I'm working, 609 00:31:03,153 --> 00:31:04,863 and I'm working until late at night." 610 00:31:04,905 --> 00:31:08,784 I was working until 8:00. 611 00:31:08,826 --> 00:31:10,869 ♪♪♪ 612 00:31:10,911 --> 00:31:12,913 Lowe: Why did you stay in the apartment that night? 613 00:31:12,955 --> 00:31:14,415 Couldn't you have gone and stayed with Janna, 614 00:31:14,456 --> 00:31:16,166 or Mrs. Castro, or something like that? 615 00:31:16,208 --> 00:31:19,920 No, I didn't want my friends to know... 616 00:31:19,962 --> 00:31:24,133 that he was... hitting me again. 617 00:31:25,884 --> 00:31:28,887 ♪♪♪ 618 00:31:31,140 --> 00:31:34,143 Lorena: He has his-- his friend living with us-- 619 00:31:34,184 --> 00:31:36,895 Robert Johnston. 620 00:31:36,937 --> 00:31:38,397 So I said, to Robbie, you know, 621 00:31:38,439 --> 00:31:39,732 "Well, let's go out and hang-- 622 00:31:39,773 --> 00:31:41,525 you know, go out for a little while." 623 00:31:41,567 --> 00:31:45,904 So, we went and hung out and--to a few clubs and-- 624 00:31:45,946 --> 00:31:48,574 we had what-- what's called a B-52. 625 00:31:48,616 --> 00:31:50,034 It's a three-layered shot. It's a candy drink. 626 00:31:50,075 --> 00:31:51,910 There's not-- not a lot of alcohol. 627 00:31:51,952 --> 00:31:53,495 So we had two-- two of those, 628 00:31:53,537 --> 00:31:54,538 and two beers-- all night long. 629 00:31:54,580 --> 00:31:56,415 That's it. 630 00:31:56,457 --> 00:32:00,127 We weren't drunk 'cause we didn't wanna drive drunk. 631 00:32:00,169 --> 00:32:03,172 ♪♪♪ 632 00:32:07,426 --> 00:32:08,927 Paul Ebert: In total, how much would you say 633 00:32:08,969 --> 00:32:10,554 you had to drink on this occasion? 634 00:32:10,596 --> 00:32:15,017 I had, uh, five beers and that one, uh, the B-52. 635 00:32:15,059 --> 00:32:16,810 Ebert: And how much did John have to drink? 636 00:32:16,852 --> 00:32:18,812 John had the same amount as me except he had one more, 637 00:32:18,854 --> 00:32:20,898 uh, B-52. 638 00:32:20,939 --> 00:32:22,358 Ebert: Now, sir, were you feeling, uh, 639 00:32:22,399 --> 00:32:24,151 the influence of what you had to drink? 640 00:32:24,193 --> 00:32:26,278 Uh, sure. 641 00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:27,821 Ebert: But nevertheless, you drove, is that correct? 642 00:32:27,863 --> 00:32:28,906 Yes. 643 00:32:28,947 --> 00:32:31,950 ♪♪♪ 644 00:32:34,536 --> 00:32:36,246 Ebert: What time was it when you arrived home? 645 00:32:36,288 --> 00:32:39,708 We arrived home about 3:00, 3:15. 646 00:32:39,750 --> 00:32:42,753 ♪♪♪ 647 00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:53,013 Lorena: I--I was awake by a-- by, um, the strong closing-- 648 00:32:53,055 --> 00:32:55,349 uh, the slammed door. 649 00:32:55,391 --> 00:32:56,850 Lowe: Did you go back to sleep? 650 00:32:56,892 --> 00:32:59,144 Yes. 651 00:33:01,021 --> 00:33:04,858 Got into bed and then just fell right to sleep. 652 00:33:04,900 --> 00:33:07,069 - Ebert: You fell asleep? - Fell asleep. 653 00:33:07,111 --> 00:33:11,615 ♪♪♪ 654 00:33:11,657 --> 00:33:13,283 John: I woke up about an hour later 655 00:33:13,325 --> 00:33:15,661 and I saw Lorena laying on her back. 656 00:33:15,703 --> 00:33:19,039 And, uh--and then I remember, you know, it's-- 657 00:33:19,081 --> 00:33:22,543 you know, touching her and-- and then I remember, 658 00:33:22,584 --> 00:33:24,628 like, you know, rolling over on top of her. 659 00:33:24,670 --> 00:33:27,339 And then I just went-- fell back--back off to sleep. 660 00:33:27,381 --> 00:33:30,092 And, uh, I don't remember anything el-else happening 661 00:33:30,134 --> 00:33:33,220 after that until-- I was just laying on my back. 662 00:33:33,262 --> 00:33:36,890 Ebert: Did you or did you not have sex with her that night? 663 00:33:36,932 --> 00:33:41,228 Well, um, I--I don't really know, sir, 664 00:33:41,270 --> 00:33:42,229 if I did or not. 665 00:33:42,271 --> 00:33:45,399 ♪♪♪ 666 00:33:45,441 --> 00:33:48,694 Lowe: What's the next thing that you're aware of? 667 00:33:48,736 --> 00:33:53,282 I felt like a pull down to my underwears. 668 00:33:53,323 --> 00:33:56,869 And then, he was on top of me. 669 00:33:56,910 --> 00:33:58,245 Again. 670 00:33:58,287 --> 00:34:04,626 And-- And I wake up, I was like, um... 671 00:34:04,668 --> 00:34:07,755 try to what was--try to find out what was going on. 672 00:34:07,796 --> 00:34:12,009 And, uh, he grabbed my wrist... 673 00:34:12,050 --> 00:34:16,221 and press it down to my hips. 674 00:34:16,263 --> 00:34:20,851 And, uh--then he, uh, I felt like I couldn't breathe 675 00:34:20,893 --> 00:34:26,982 and--and he was-- his chest and his right shoulder 676 00:34:27,024 --> 00:34:32,196 was on my face-- my--my mouth. 677 00:34:32,237 --> 00:34:35,491 And then he, uh-- I asked him, 678 00:34:35,532 --> 00:34:38,994 "What are you doing?" And he didn't say anything. 679 00:34:39,036 --> 00:34:42,873 I said--I said, "I don't want to have sex." 680 00:34:42,915 --> 00:34:45,292 And then, he wouldn't listen to me. 681 00:34:45,334 --> 00:34:48,086 He wouldn't let me--let me go. 682 00:34:48,128 --> 00:34:52,090 He pulled my--my underwears down and... 683 00:34:54,718 --> 00:34:57,846 he, um-- he forced himself into me. 684 00:34:57,888 --> 00:34:59,014 Again. 685 00:35:03,060 --> 00:35:05,354 I was just crying-- trying to cry loud, 686 00:35:05,395 --> 00:35:06,939 but I couldn't breathe. 687 00:35:12,486 --> 00:35:13,946 I couldn't breathe. 688 00:35:13,987 --> 00:35:15,322 Lowe: What happened next? 689 00:35:19,451 --> 00:35:20,911 He was hurting me. 690 00:35:24,665 --> 00:35:27,376 [crying] He hurt me. 691 00:35:27,417 --> 00:35:29,127 Yeah. 692 00:35:29,169 --> 00:35:31,338 Yeah, I-- He was hurting me. 693 00:35:35,008 --> 00:35:37,135 I feel like-- I don't know, 694 00:35:37,177 --> 00:35:42,140 like my vagina was ripping up or something. 695 00:35:42,182 --> 00:35:45,227 I couldn't say this. 696 00:35:45,269 --> 00:35:47,271 I can't describe-- maybe you don't understand 697 00:35:47,312 --> 00:35:48,897 because you're a man. 698 00:35:48,939 --> 00:35:51,316 He didn't understand because he's a man, 699 00:35:51,358 --> 00:35:53,610 but it hurt me. 700 00:35:53,652 --> 00:35:57,197 [sobbing] 701 00:36:02,119 --> 00:36:06,498 And I told him-- why he do this to me 702 00:36:06,540 --> 00:36:09,668 again and again and again? 703 00:36:14,423 --> 00:36:16,133 Lowe: And what did he say to you? 704 00:36:16,174 --> 00:36:20,470 Nothing. He pushed me away 'cause he doesn't care. 705 00:36:20,512 --> 00:36:22,764 He doesn't care about my feelings. 706 00:36:26,018 --> 00:36:28,562 That's what he said. 707 00:36:28,604 --> 00:36:30,522 She was trying to talk to me when I was sleeping. 708 00:36:30,564 --> 00:36:34,526 "You hurt my feelings. You did it again and again and again. 709 00:36:34,568 --> 00:36:36,153 Are you happy?" 710 00:36:36,194 --> 00:36:37,821 She was trying to talk to me. 711 00:36:37,863 --> 00:36:39,907 So I didn't respond to her sexually and verbally 712 00:36:39,948 --> 00:36:41,992 because I was exhausted. 713 00:36:42,034 --> 00:36:46,663 I don't know why she didn't know that I--I--I was... so... 714 00:36:48,457 --> 00:36:52,628 so dead tired, I couldn't understand or react 715 00:36:52,669 --> 00:36:54,922 to any of her advances. 716 00:36:56,214 --> 00:36:59,217 ♪♪♪ 717 00:37:04,765 --> 00:37:08,435 Lorena: Then I was just-- fall into this numbness 718 00:37:08,477 --> 00:37:11,730 that I felt before. 719 00:37:11,772 --> 00:37:15,275 Part of me wanted to, you know, say, 720 00:37:15,317 --> 00:37:19,237 "Just--just kill me here, whatever... 721 00:37:19,279 --> 00:37:21,531 I'm just gonna die." 722 00:37:21,573 --> 00:37:23,617 ♪♪♪ 723 00:37:23,659 --> 00:37:27,037 All I wanted to do was just get away from him. 724 00:37:27,079 --> 00:37:29,748 ♪♪♪ 725 00:37:29,790 --> 00:37:34,628 I don't quite remember how I got out of my bed or nothing, 726 00:37:34,670 --> 00:37:36,838 it was just like a zombie. 727 00:37:40,384 --> 00:37:41,677 [crying] 728 00:37:41,718 --> 00:37:44,179 I just tried to calm myself down. 729 00:37:44,221 --> 00:37:47,808 I went to the kitchen for a glass of water. 730 00:37:47,849 --> 00:37:51,478 ♪♪♪ 731 00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:55,691 I was drinking the water, trying to calm myself down and... 732 00:38:11,373 --> 00:38:15,627 I remember many things and I remember a lot of things. 733 00:38:15,669 --> 00:38:18,171 And I remember the first time he raped me, 734 00:38:18,213 --> 00:38:21,091 I remember when--when he told me about the syringes 735 00:38:21,133 --> 00:38:25,387 that go through my bones and I was gonna die. 736 00:38:25,429 --> 00:38:27,556 And I remember the put-downs, that he told me 737 00:38:27,597 --> 00:38:31,643 there were just so many pictures in my head. 738 00:38:31,685 --> 00:38:35,814 I remember the insults and the bad words he told me. 739 00:38:35,856 --> 00:38:39,776 And I remember every time that he--he had anal sex-- 740 00:38:39,818 --> 00:38:42,487 anal sex with me-- he hurt me. 741 00:38:46,450 --> 00:38:48,410 I remember everything. 742 00:38:51,538 --> 00:38:52,706 Everything. 743 00:38:56,793 --> 00:39:00,630 No, I don't remember that. 744 00:39:00,672 --> 00:39:03,091 No, I'm sorry, I don't remember that. 745 00:39:03,133 --> 00:39:04,301 Mary Grace O'Brien: Judge, I would object at this point. 746 00:39:04,342 --> 00:39:05,719 He's leading the witness. 747 00:39:05,761 --> 00:39:08,138 Judge: Sustained. No leading questions. 748 00:39:10,807 --> 00:39:13,810 ♪♪♪ 749 00:39:16,646 --> 00:39:17,856 Lorena: The next thing I remember 750 00:39:17,898 --> 00:39:19,733 was that I was in the car. 751 00:39:23,487 --> 00:39:27,908 I just felt like it was, like, in a very slow motion. 752 00:39:27,949 --> 00:39:30,911 ♪♪♪ 753 00:39:30,952 --> 00:39:34,206 I--I would never really quite understand 754 00:39:34,247 --> 00:39:37,584 what was happening-- whatever I did. 755 00:39:37,626 --> 00:39:39,836 Obviously, it was me. 756 00:39:41,588 --> 00:39:46,093 I was the one that did cut him. 757 00:39:46,134 --> 00:39:49,346 ♪♪♪ 758 00:39:49,387 --> 00:39:51,765 I try to drive. 759 00:39:51,807 --> 00:39:56,978 In one hand I have the knife and in the other hand I have... 760 00:39:57,020 --> 00:39:58,855 his organ. 761 00:39:58,897 --> 00:40:01,566 And the first thing-- I got scared. 762 00:40:01,608 --> 00:40:04,653 And I tossed it through the window. 763 00:40:07,823 --> 00:40:12,869 I have no idea how I got to-- I--I went to work. 764 00:40:12,911 --> 00:40:14,746 I went to work in the middle of the night. 765 00:40:14,788 --> 00:40:17,999 ♪♪♪ 766 00:40:18,041 --> 00:40:21,962 I find myself try to open the door. 767 00:40:22,003 --> 00:40:24,131 But I just couldn't open it 768 00:40:24,172 --> 00:40:27,592 because I still have the knife in my hand. 769 00:40:27,634 --> 00:40:30,804 And I just--so screaming in the middle of the night 770 00:40:30,846 --> 00:40:32,514 and then I said, "Well, I didn't even--" 771 00:40:32,556 --> 00:40:34,558 I didn't understand what happened. 772 00:40:36,852 --> 00:40:38,311 So I throw the knife away. 773 00:40:38,353 --> 00:40:41,523 ♪♪♪ 774 00:40:41,565 --> 00:40:45,944 I opened the door, and I just felt peace. 775 00:40:45,986 --> 00:40:51,575 All I wanted to do was just be safe. 776 00:40:51,616 --> 00:40:54,619 ♪♪♪ 777 00:41:01,501 --> 00:41:03,795 O'Brien: Mrs. Bobbitt, is it your testimony this morning 778 00:41:03,837 --> 00:41:07,132 that you don't remember cutting your husband's penis off 779 00:41:07,174 --> 00:41:08,842 on June the 23rd? 780 00:41:08,884 --> 00:41:10,552 No, ma'am. 781 00:41:10,594 --> 00:41:13,638 O'Brien: You say you remember picking up the knife? 782 00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:15,557 Yeah. 783 00:41:15,599 --> 00:41:18,268 O'Brien: What were you thinking when you picked up the knife? 784 00:41:18,310 --> 00:41:19,978 Did you think about cutting John? 785 00:41:20,020 --> 00:41:24,274 Lorena: [crying] No. No, I didn't. 786 00:41:24,316 --> 00:41:26,526 I just think of the pictures. 787 00:41:26,568 --> 00:41:27,903 O'Brien: You don't remember 788 00:41:27,944 --> 00:41:30,071 leaving your apartment that night? 789 00:41:30,113 --> 00:41:31,823 No. 790 00:41:31,865 --> 00:41:34,075 O'Brien: You don't remember picking up your purse 791 00:41:34,117 --> 00:41:35,869 and Robbie's Game Boy? 792 00:41:35,911 --> 00:41:39,247 That's what I--I assume so. I had to answer to myself. 793 00:41:39,289 --> 00:41:42,500 I--I have to answer to myself what I did. 794 00:41:42,542 --> 00:41:44,252 O'Brien: You don't remember it? 795 00:41:44,294 --> 00:41:47,839 No, ma'am, I--I-- No, I don't remember that. No. 796 00:41:50,217 --> 00:41:53,345 Clay Cocalis: I remember very vividly, she said, 797 00:41:53,386 --> 00:41:57,349 "I went to the kitchen. I opened the refrigerator. 798 00:41:57,390 --> 00:42:00,936 The refrigerator light illuminated a knife." 799 00:42:00,977 --> 00:42:04,814 So that's pretty good recall. 800 00:42:04,856 --> 00:42:06,650 And then to say you have no memory of it, 801 00:42:06,691 --> 00:42:08,902 that didn't seem very credible 802 00:42:08,944 --> 00:42:11,863 that she would not remember that. 803 00:42:11,905 --> 00:42:15,325 ♪♪♪ 804 00:42:15,367 --> 00:42:16,534 O'Brien: Then you went to the hospital, 805 00:42:16,576 --> 00:42:18,703 and you saw Detective Weintz. 806 00:42:18,745 --> 00:42:20,538 Lorena: Yes, ma'am. 807 00:42:20,580 --> 00:42:23,124 O'Brien: And then he turned on the tape recorder. 808 00:42:23,166 --> 00:42:25,669 And he asked you questions and you answered the questions. 809 00:42:25,710 --> 00:42:27,003 Lorena: Yes, ma'am. 810 00:42:27,045 --> 00:42:30,715 ♪♪♪ 811 00:42:30,757 --> 00:42:32,717 O'Brien: Do you remember saying to him... 812 00:42:41,768 --> 00:42:43,520 I remember. Yes, ma'am. 813 00:42:43,561 --> 00:42:44,813 O'Brien: And then you said, 814 00:42:44,854 --> 00:42:46,022 "Then I took it... 815 00:42:49,901 --> 00:42:51,611 Do you remember saying that? 816 00:42:51,653 --> 00:42:53,196 Yes, ma'am. 817 00:42:53,238 --> 00:42:54,739 O'Brien: And that was the truth too? 818 00:42:54,781 --> 00:42:56,741 Yes, ma'am, it was the truth. 819 00:42:56,783 --> 00:43:01,579 Cocalis: They passed that knife and the pictures around 820 00:43:01,621 --> 00:43:03,957 and for the benefit, I will tell you that 821 00:43:03,999 --> 00:43:06,251 she might've thought about going to medical school 822 00:43:06,293 --> 00:43:10,922 because that was such an amazing cut. 823 00:43:10,964 --> 00:43:14,509 There was no bump, there was no nub. 824 00:43:14,551 --> 00:43:16,970 It was surgical in nature. 825 00:43:17,012 --> 00:43:20,724 Lisa Kemler: Do you have an opinion, Dr. Feister, 826 00:43:20,765 --> 00:43:22,267 as to whether or not Lorena Bobbitt was suffering 827 00:43:22,309 --> 00:43:25,729 from any severe mental disease or disorder 828 00:43:25,770 --> 00:43:28,398 at the time that she cut off her husband's penis? 829 00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:32,360 Yes. She suffered from post-traumatic stress disorder, 830 00:43:32,402 --> 00:43:34,237 major depressive disorder, 831 00:43:34,279 --> 00:43:38,116 and anxiety disorder that is panic disorder. 832 00:43:38,158 --> 00:43:40,994 Kemler: And what, if anything, in your opinion, 833 00:43:41,036 --> 00:43:42,829 did those disorders have to do 834 00:43:42,871 --> 00:43:45,832 with her ability to control her impulses? 835 00:43:45,874 --> 00:43:49,336 I don't believe that she had control over her, um, actions 836 00:43:49,377 --> 00:43:50,670 at that point in time. 837 00:43:52,213 --> 00:43:56,718 She was already experiencing severe distress. 838 00:43:56,760 --> 00:43:59,387 Her husband psychologically closed off 839 00:43:59,429 --> 00:44:01,348 every avenue of escape for her. 840 00:44:01,389 --> 00:44:06,478 He said to her that it didn't really matter if she left 841 00:44:06,519 --> 00:44:09,939 because he would continue to be violent toward her, 842 00:44:09,981 --> 00:44:12,609 and rape her, and abuse her. 843 00:44:12,650 --> 00:44:16,029 This created, for her, an impasse. 844 00:44:16,071 --> 00:44:18,698 Uh, a situation that made her crazy. 845 00:44:21,284 --> 00:44:24,579 She became psychotic. And at that point in time, 846 00:44:24,621 --> 00:44:28,792 she attacked the instrument of her torture-- 847 00:44:28,833 --> 00:44:30,752 that is her husband's penis. 848 00:44:33,463 --> 00:44:36,549 Kemler: Do you have an opinion as to whether or not 849 00:44:36,591 --> 00:44:39,677 that was consistent with irresistible impulse 850 00:44:39,719 --> 00:44:42,013 as defined in the-- Virginia law. 851 00:44:42,055 --> 00:44:44,057 I believe her behavior was consistent 852 00:44:44,099 --> 00:44:47,018 with the irresistible impulse. 853 00:44:47,060 --> 00:44:50,188 To have an irresistible impulse defense for insanity, 854 00:44:50,230 --> 00:44:51,731 first, the person has to have 855 00:44:51,773 --> 00:44:54,609 an identifiable mental illness or disorder. 856 00:44:54,651 --> 00:44:56,152 And because of the mental disorder, 857 00:44:56,194 --> 00:44:58,405 they are incapable of stopping themselves. 858 00:44:59,989 --> 00:45:01,533 Dr. Nelson: When she gets to the emergency room, 859 00:45:01,574 --> 00:45:04,577 she gives us a very succinct explanation. 860 00:45:04,619 --> 00:45:07,372 "I was angry." 861 00:45:07,414 --> 00:45:09,499 Here she was, getting more powerful 862 00:45:09,541 --> 00:45:11,167 and preparing to leave. 863 00:45:11,209 --> 00:45:13,086 And here he was trying to make it more difficult. 864 00:45:15,213 --> 00:45:19,342 When Mr. Bobbitt did what she perceived as a rape, 865 00:45:19,384 --> 00:45:22,387 that was a challenge to her sense of control. 866 00:45:22,429 --> 00:45:27,308 And I believe that she got intensely angry. 867 00:45:27,350 --> 00:45:29,185 Lorena Bobbitt could have walked away. 868 00:45:29,227 --> 00:45:31,146 She could've walked right out of that apartment 869 00:45:31,187 --> 00:45:32,897 and straight down to the police department. 870 00:45:32,939 --> 00:45:35,316 She could've called 9-1-1, but she didn't. 871 00:45:35,358 --> 00:45:38,903 She pauses to get a knife and go back and cut him. 872 00:45:38,945 --> 00:45:42,699 From my perspective, I couldn't say that this was insanity. 873 00:45:42,740 --> 00:45:49,581 This lady was terribly emotionally aroused, excited, 874 00:45:49,622 --> 00:45:52,959 angry or enraged, 875 00:45:53,001 --> 00:45:58,006 but I see no evidence of a psychotic episode. 876 00:45:58,047 --> 00:46:00,216 ♪♪♪ 877 00:46:00,258 --> 00:46:01,926 Man: As a psychiatrist 878 00:46:01,968 --> 00:46:04,012 for the Commonwealth of Virginia testified, 879 00:46:04,053 --> 00:46:07,182 she doesn't have any type of psychotic disorder 880 00:46:07,223 --> 00:46:08,892 that causes that kind of impulse. 881 00:46:08,933 --> 00:46:10,602 How do you know that? How do you know she doesn't? 882 00:46:10,643 --> 00:46:12,604 What kind of psychotic disorder does it take 883 00:46:12,645 --> 00:46:14,397 when you're abused over four years? 884 00:46:14,439 --> 00:46:15,940 None of the traditional symptoms 885 00:46:15,982 --> 00:46:17,859 of an impulse disorder are here, Bob. 886 00:46:17,901 --> 00:46:20,862 I think I basically feel that she was lying. 887 00:46:20,904 --> 00:46:22,655 I'm disconcerted by the idea 888 00:46:22,697 --> 00:46:25,200 that she so palpably changed her story. 889 00:46:25,241 --> 00:46:27,452 And she changed it to meet the requirements of the law. 890 00:46:27,494 --> 00:46:29,037 Charlie Rose: When did she lie? 891 00:46:29,078 --> 00:46:31,664 She lied when she testified that she forgot 892 00:46:31,706 --> 00:46:34,501 about everything that had happened that night. 893 00:46:34,542 --> 00:46:36,002 The devil didn't make her do this. 894 00:46:36,044 --> 00:46:37,587 Um, she did it herself, 895 00:46:37,629 --> 00:46:39,380 and now she'll have to pay the consequences. 896 00:46:39,422 --> 00:46:42,217 - Howard Stern: Hey, John Wayne. - John: Yeah. 897 00:46:42,258 --> 00:46:43,635 Stern: I got the whole thing figured out 898 00:46:43,676 --> 00:46:45,345 after watching your wife's testimony. 899 00:46:45,386 --> 00:46:47,180 - John: Hmm. - Stern: She just wanted 900 00:46:47,222 --> 00:46:49,641 to hold on to you. - John: Yeah. She did. 901 00:46:49,682 --> 00:46:52,352 And she got mad. 902 00:46:52,393 --> 00:46:54,771 I broke up with her. She was hurting. 903 00:46:54,812 --> 00:46:58,399 And she wanted me to hurt and that's why she did that. 904 00:46:58,441 --> 00:47:00,568 Stern: I don't even buy this whole thing 905 00:47:00,610 --> 00:47:02,820 that he was raping her and stuff. 906 00:47:02,862 --> 00:47:05,198 Like, she didn't--you know, she's not that great looking. 907 00:47:05,240 --> 00:47:07,992 She's got a lot of pimples, your ex-wife. 908 00:47:08,034 --> 00:47:09,327 - John: Yeah. - Stern: I thought so. 909 00:47:09,369 --> 00:47:10,954 Her skin didn't look that good. 910 00:47:10,995 --> 00:47:12,080 - John: Uh-huh. - Stern: I think she needs 911 00:47:12,121 --> 00:47:13,414 a little vitamin Bobbitt. 912 00:47:13,456 --> 00:47:14,415 Robin Quivers: Oh, jeez. 913 00:47:14,457 --> 00:47:18,169 [ laughter ] 914 00:47:18,211 --> 00:47:21,214 ♪♪♪ 915 00:47:24,551 --> 00:47:27,178 [indistinct chatter] 916 00:47:31,432 --> 00:47:32,433 Judge: You may have a seat if you would, please, 917 00:47:32,475 --> 00:47:33,518 ladies and gentlemen. 918 00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:34,894 Call your next witness, sir. 919 00:47:34,936 --> 00:47:36,354 Howard: Yes, Your Honor. [indistinct] 920 00:47:36,396 --> 00:47:39,399 Regina Keegan, Your Honor. 921 00:47:41,484 --> 00:47:43,152 My name is Regina E. Keegan, 922 00:47:43,194 --> 00:47:45,196 and I live in Centreville, Virginia. 923 00:47:45,238 --> 00:47:49,576 Howard: Directing your attention to the month of June, 1993, 924 00:47:49,617 --> 00:47:52,537 did you have an occasion to visit the Nail Sculpture 925 00:47:52,579 --> 00:47:54,664 here in, uh, the Centreville? - Yes, sir, I did. 926 00:47:54,706 --> 00:47:59,961 I was going to get my nails manicured and my eyebrows waxed. 927 00:48:00,003 --> 00:48:03,089 Howard: Do you know the person that did that work? 928 00:48:03,131 --> 00:48:05,258 Yes, she's sitting at the table there, sir. 929 00:48:05,300 --> 00:48:09,178 Howard: Was there anything about what she did to your nails 930 00:48:09,220 --> 00:48:11,306 that you felt was incorrect? 931 00:48:11,347 --> 00:48:14,392 Um, the manicure was very bad. 932 00:48:14,434 --> 00:48:17,186 And, um... 933 00:48:17,228 --> 00:48:20,815 my eyebrows were uneven. 934 00:48:20,857 --> 00:48:24,652 That testimony was extremely important, I thought, 935 00:48:24,694 --> 00:48:27,989 to show that Lorena suffered 936 00:48:28,031 --> 00:48:30,199 from post-traumatic stress disorder. 937 00:48:30,241 --> 00:48:32,118 - Howard: ...identify. - Yes, sir. 938 00:48:32,160 --> 00:48:36,039 Howard: She saw Lorena just days before the incident. 939 00:48:36,080 --> 00:48:39,083 ♪♪♪ 940 00:48:42,128 --> 00:48:43,921 Keegan: When I made the appointment, 941 00:48:43,963 --> 00:48:46,466 the lady said, "Okay, you'll meet with--" 942 00:48:46,507 --> 00:48:49,802 I thought she said "Lena." And I think I wrote down "Lena" 943 00:48:49,844 --> 00:48:51,929 on my little day planner. 944 00:48:51,971 --> 00:48:55,767 And I'm fairly sure that I probably called her Lena 945 00:48:55,808 --> 00:48:57,477 and she did not correct me. 946 00:48:57,518 --> 00:48:59,354 She's too polite. 947 00:48:59,395 --> 00:49:05,818 So we sat down and, um, she pulled up her sleeves. 948 00:49:07,737 --> 00:49:11,908 And she was black and blue from here to here. 949 00:49:11,949 --> 00:49:13,701 Like bruises. 950 00:49:15,578 --> 00:49:17,538 And it--and it wasn't like just a hit. 951 00:49:17,580 --> 00:49:21,501 They went around. And I went... 952 00:49:21,542 --> 00:49:23,169 [gasps] 953 00:49:23,211 --> 00:49:24,671 And she very quickly did this thing. 954 00:49:27,048 --> 00:49:32,261 And she just looked up and... 955 00:49:32,303 --> 00:49:33,846 my heart broke. 956 00:49:33,888 --> 00:49:36,391 I just knew something was wrong with this girl. 957 00:49:36,432 --> 00:49:42,230 Howard: During the course of her doing any work on you, 958 00:49:42,271 --> 00:49:46,484 did you notice some change in her demeanor or behavior? 959 00:49:46,526 --> 00:49:49,737 Keegan: Yes, sir. Her breathing changed. 960 00:49:49,779 --> 00:49:52,448 Like she was short of breath. 961 00:49:54,158 --> 00:49:56,411 And her hands were trembling, 962 00:49:56,452 --> 00:49:57,995 and she had tears in her eyes. 963 00:50:00,540 --> 00:50:03,918 I said, "How did you get those bruises on your arms?" 964 00:50:03,960 --> 00:50:08,131 And she looked at me and she said, "My husband hurt me." 965 00:50:09,966 --> 00:50:12,468 That's how he liked to grab her... 966 00:50:12,510 --> 00:50:16,013 was by her wrists. 967 00:50:16,055 --> 00:50:19,142 And she said to me, "In our apartment, 968 00:50:19,183 --> 00:50:23,479 "he was going to drop me over the railing. 969 00:50:23,521 --> 00:50:26,315 "And he said to me, 970 00:50:26,357 --> 00:50:30,737 If I drop you, I'm just gonna tell everybody you jumped." 971 00:50:30,778 --> 00:50:35,324 I told her she needed to leave the situation that she was in. 972 00:50:35,366 --> 00:50:38,119 I told her about places she could go, 973 00:50:38,161 --> 00:50:40,496 people that could help her. 974 00:50:40,538 --> 00:50:47,170 And as I said that, she became more and more frightened 975 00:50:47,211 --> 00:50:48,379 in--in appearance. 976 00:50:48,421 --> 00:50:50,214 She was trembling and shaking. 977 00:50:50,256 --> 00:50:54,510 Um, to me, she appeared terrified. 978 00:50:54,552 --> 00:50:58,848 And I said to her, "You can't go home to this guy. 979 00:50:58,890 --> 00:51:00,725 I will take you to my house." 980 00:51:00,767 --> 00:51:02,894 And she said, "No. My husband says if I leave him, 981 00:51:02,935 --> 00:51:05,271 "he will kill me, and he'll kill you. 982 00:51:05,313 --> 00:51:07,440 He'll come after you and he'll kill you." 983 00:51:09,776 --> 00:51:11,277 And I gave her a hug. 984 00:51:11,319 --> 00:51:14,113 It was like hugging my daughter. 985 00:51:14,155 --> 00:51:17,950 I mean, that's how small she was. 986 00:51:17,992 --> 00:51:19,911 And I didn't want to leave her 987 00:51:19,952 --> 00:51:24,791 because I was really afraid for her. 988 00:51:24,832 --> 00:51:27,835 ♪♪♪ 989 00:51:30,713 --> 00:51:34,342 I remember my girlfriend, soon thereafter, 990 00:51:34,383 --> 00:51:37,011 talking about "the crazy lady with the knife." 991 00:51:40,223 --> 00:51:46,437 The Bobbitt thing was big news and it was everywhere. 992 00:51:46,479 --> 00:51:48,564 I was a busy mom. I didn't read the newspapers. 993 00:51:48,606 --> 00:51:49,899 I didn't watch television. 994 00:51:49,941 --> 00:51:52,944 ♪♪♪ 995 00:51:55,404 --> 00:51:57,990 The summer went. Kind of avoided it. 996 00:51:58,032 --> 00:52:01,744 ♪♪♪ 997 00:52:01,786 --> 00:52:04,872 Man: Washington, D.C. This is the news. 998 00:52:04,914 --> 00:52:06,874 Woman: John Bobbitt takes the witness stand... 999 00:52:06,916 --> 00:52:08,626 Keegan: I was sitting there one day. 1000 00:52:08,668 --> 00:52:11,170 Kids were out of the house. 1001 00:52:11,212 --> 00:52:14,257 I was folding socks, looking at the television. 1002 00:52:14,298 --> 00:52:20,137 And they're showing footage from the Manassas courthouse. 1003 00:52:20,179 --> 00:52:23,266 The testimony is over and the evidence is in tonight 1004 00:52:23,307 --> 00:52:26,269 in the marital sexual assault trial of John Bobbitt. 1005 00:52:26,310 --> 00:52:27,895 On day two of the trial... 1006 00:52:27,937 --> 00:52:29,480 Keegan: They were talking about his trial. 1007 00:52:29,522 --> 00:52:35,152 And I see "Lena"... walk across the screen. 1008 00:52:35,194 --> 00:52:38,197 ♪♪♪ 1009 00:52:40,241 --> 00:52:41,909 And I went, "Oh, my God. 1010 00:52:41,951 --> 00:52:44,787 "Oh, my God. 1011 00:52:44,829 --> 00:52:45,830 "That's the girl. 1012 00:52:45,872 --> 00:52:48,916 And what do I do?" 1013 00:52:48,958 --> 00:52:50,459 Man: Prosecutor Paul Ebert 1014 00:52:50,501 --> 00:52:52,503 argued that something sexual happened 1015 00:52:52,545 --> 00:52:54,088 that drove her over the edge. 1016 00:52:54,130 --> 00:52:55,256 She struck out... 1017 00:52:55,298 --> 00:52:56,966 [audio fades] 1018 00:52:57,008 --> 00:53:01,554 Keegan: I called the Prince William courthouse. 1019 00:53:01,596 --> 00:53:04,390 So I got on the phone with the first lady. 1020 00:53:04,432 --> 00:53:07,810 And then, there was a man's voice on the phone. 1021 00:53:07,852 --> 00:53:10,104 - Paul Ebert: Hello. - Keegan: And he said, 1022 00:53:10,146 --> 00:53:12,398 "Good afternoon, Mrs. Keegan. My name is Paul Ebert." 1023 00:53:14,817 --> 00:53:16,152 So I told him the story. 1024 00:53:18,738 --> 00:53:20,948 And he said, "Son of a bitch. If I had had this, 1025 00:53:20,990 --> 00:53:22,700 I could've nailed that bastard." 1026 00:53:22,742 --> 00:53:24,577 I said, "Excuse me?" 1027 00:53:24,619 --> 00:53:27,371 He said, "Oh, I'm--I'm sorry. I'm sorry, Mrs. Keegan. 1028 00:53:27,413 --> 00:53:30,875 "I can't use you. I wish I had you for this trial, 1029 00:53:30,917 --> 00:53:34,045 "but it's gone to the jury. 1030 00:53:34,086 --> 00:53:35,755 "And I'm gonna give you a phone number. 1031 00:53:35,796 --> 00:53:38,925 "And I want you to call this phone number. 1032 00:53:40,718 --> 00:53:42,929 It belongs to Mr. Blair Howard." 1033 00:53:44,513 --> 00:53:47,683 [phone ringing] 1034 00:53:47,725 --> 00:53:51,729 And the number he gave me was the back line. 1035 00:53:51,771 --> 00:53:53,606 The woman that answered the phone said, 1036 00:53:53,648 --> 00:53:55,358 "How did you get this number?" 1037 00:53:55,399 --> 00:53:59,195 "Paul Ebert gave it to me." 1038 00:53:59,236 --> 00:54:01,155 She just said, "Would you please hold on?" 1039 00:54:01,197 --> 00:54:03,908 ♪♪♪ 1040 00:54:03,950 --> 00:54:07,286 He could've buried me. He could've just said, 1041 00:54:07,328 --> 00:54:09,413 "Goodbye, Mrs. Keegan. Thank you for calling." 1042 00:54:09,455 --> 00:54:13,125 ♪♪♪ 1043 00:54:13,167 --> 00:54:16,545 He was the one that said, "You can't help me, 1044 00:54:16,587 --> 00:54:19,256 "but you can help Lorena. 1045 00:54:19,298 --> 00:54:22,551 And you call Mr. Howard." 1046 00:54:22,593 --> 00:54:26,764 Howard: That's all I have, ma'am. 1047 00:54:26,806 --> 00:54:29,350 Keegan: When I had finished testifying, 1048 00:54:29,392 --> 00:54:33,604 Mr. Ebert and I looked at each other, 1049 00:54:33,646 --> 00:54:35,022 and we kinda locked eyes. 1050 00:54:39,151 --> 00:54:42,363 And in that moment, he decided, 1051 00:54:42,405 --> 00:54:44,782 "I'm not even gonna touch her." 1052 00:54:46,826 --> 00:54:48,619 Judge: Do we excuse this witness? 1053 00:54:48,661 --> 00:54:50,121 - Ebert: Yes, Your Honor. - Judge: Thank you. 1054 00:54:50,162 --> 00:54:51,163 Thanks for your time and your testimony. 1055 00:54:51,205 --> 00:54:52,289 Thank you. 1056 00:54:52,331 --> 00:54:53,624 Judge: Next witness. 1057 00:54:53,666 --> 00:54:56,669 ♪♪♪ 1058 00:55:04,010 --> 00:55:06,887 I agree. [ laughs ] 1059 00:55:06,929 --> 00:55:09,056 Man: You wanna talk about that? 1060 00:55:09,098 --> 00:55:13,019 Well, that's--I agree with you, but Mr. Ebert's better suited 1061 00:55:13,060 --> 00:55:15,563 to--to address that than I am. 1062 00:55:15,604 --> 00:55:18,607 ♪♪♪ 1063 00:55:25,573 --> 00:55:28,367 ♪♪♪ 1064 00:55:28,409 --> 00:55:29,869 Ebert: Dr. Ryans. 1065 00:55:39,170 --> 00:55:40,212 And, uh... 1066 00:55:42,631 --> 00:55:45,593 Ebert: You, personally, you changed your opinion 1067 00:55:45,634 --> 00:55:47,595 after this trial started. 1068 00:55:47,636 --> 00:55:49,263 Yes. 1069 00:55:49,305 --> 00:55:52,433 Keegan: He told that psychiatrist to call me. 1070 00:55:52,475 --> 00:55:54,685 I know he did because the psychiatrist said, 1071 00:55:54,727 --> 00:55:58,105 "Mr. Ebert told me to call you 1072 00:55:58,147 --> 00:56:01,067 "and speak with you. I have a few questions 1073 00:56:01,108 --> 00:56:03,778 and you would be the best one to answer them." 1074 00:56:03,819 --> 00:56:07,531 Mrs. Keegan, uh, asked her, "Why don't you leave?" 1075 00:56:07,573 --> 00:56:10,993 She says, "I'm his wife, he'll kill me." 1076 00:56:11,035 --> 00:56:13,621 She said, uh, she was crumbling. 1077 00:56:13,662 --> 00:56:16,082 At one time, she was happy and cheerful, 1078 00:56:16,123 --> 00:56:18,125 but then she seemed sad and overwhelmed, 1079 00:56:18,167 --> 00:56:22,755 hopeless, shaking, crying, trembling." 1080 00:56:22,797 --> 00:56:27,343 Uh, she gave symptoms which were compatible with the diagnosis 1081 00:56:27,384 --> 00:56:29,136 of post-traumatic stress disorder. 1082 00:56:29,178 --> 00:56:31,806 ♪♪♪ 1083 00:56:31,847 --> 00:56:33,808 Curt Gergely: Initially, all the state psychiatrists 1084 00:56:33,849 --> 00:56:35,267 were in agreement. 1085 00:56:35,309 --> 00:56:38,354 They thought that she was of sound mind 1086 00:56:38,395 --> 00:56:40,940 and had her full faculties when this had happened, 1087 00:56:40,981 --> 00:56:44,568 and that it was a matter of spite, anger. 1088 00:56:46,403 --> 00:56:48,072 The pivotal point for me 1089 00:56:48,114 --> 00:56:50,241 was when the state's forensic psychiatrist 1090 00:56:50,282 --> 00:56:51,951 changed his testimony... 1091 00:56:51,992 --> 00:56:53,661 Yes, sir. 1092 00:56:53,702 --> 00:56:55,037 Gergely: ...and said that she was not in control 1093 00:56:55,079 --> 00:56:56,914 of her faculties. 1094 00:56:56,956 --> 00:56:58,624 Judge: Doctor, thank you for your time and your testimony. 1095 00:56:58,666 --> 00:56:59,625 You are excused, you may go. 1096 00:56:59,667 --> 00:57:01,377 Dr. Ryans: Thank you. 1097 00:57:01,418 --> 00:57:02,878 Cocalis: I think they did a really good job 1098 00:57:02,920 --> 00:57:05,673 of portraying her as the victim. 1099 00:57:05,714 --> 00:57:07,591 You felt sorry for the woman. 1100 00:57:07,633 --> 00:57:11,554 But, was she, by the definition of the Commonwealth of Virginia, 1101 00:57:11,595 --> 00:57:14,181 was she criminally insane at the moment? 1102 00:57:14,223 --> 00:57:17,560 I think--I think she-- she unequivocally knew 1103 00:57:17,601 --> 00:57:20,271 exactly what she was doing. 1104 00:57:20,312 --> 00:57:23,315 ♪♪♪ 1105 00:57:30,656 --> 00:57:32,867 Lorena: During the trial, I was thinking, 1106 00:57:32,908 --> 00:57:34,743 my life is gonna be over. 1107 00:57:34,785 --> 00:57:38,247 My American dream was gonna be shattered. 1108 00:57:38,289 --> 00:57:40,249 Jail, you know. It's gonna be jail. 1109 00:57:40,291 --> 00:57:42,001 I'm gonna be--that's all-- that's the only thing 1110 00:57:42,042 --> 00:57:43,961 that I would thought. 1111 00:57:44,003 --> 00:57:47,923 I was just praying to God that all the evidence were, 1112 00:57:47,965 --> 00:57:50,718 you know, in place. 1113 00:57:50,759 --> 00:57:53,345 John Holliman: The trial has now gone into recess. 1114 00:57:53,387 --> 00:57:56,640 When it resumes on Tuesday, the prosecution and defense 1115 00:57:56,682 --> 00:57:58,392 will begin their closing arguments. 1116 00:57:58,434 --> 00:58:00,519 That'll be their last chance to convince this jury 1117 00:58:00,561 --> 00:58:02,980 of seven women and five men that Lorena Bobbitt 1118 00:58:03,022 --> 00:58:05,107 is either guilty or innocent. 1119 00:58:05,149 --> 00:58:07,943 John Holliman, CNN, Manassas, Virginia. 1120 00:58:07,985 --> 00:58:10,988 ♪♪♪ 1121 00:58:12,656 --> 00:58:13,991 Lorena: My attorneys-- 1122 00:58:14,033 --> 00:58:18,996 I just had to basically depend on--on what 1123 00:58:19,038 --> 00:58:23,667 they were gonna say, and hopefully, save my life. 1124 00:58:23,709 --> 00:58:26,712 ♪♪♪ 1125 00:58:32,343 --> 00:58:33,761 O'Brien: Ladies and gentlemen, 1126 00:58:33,802 --> 00:58:36,388 this is a case about anger. 1127 00:58:36,430 --> 00:58:38,474 It's a case about revenge. 1128 00:58:38,515 --> 00:58:40,267 And it's a case about retribution. 1129 00:58:40,309 --> 00:58:43,854 It is the commonwealth's contention that what it is 1130 00:58:43,896 --> 00:58:48,400 is a calculated and malicious act of revenge. 1131 00:58:48,442 --> 00:58:50,819 Is this a deadly weapon? You bet. 1132 00:58:50,861 --> 00:58:53,447 This is a deadly weapon. This is what she used. 1133 00:58:56,075 --> 00:58:57,826 Howard: I heard a lady say one time, 1134 00:58:57,868 --> 00:59:02,414 that a woman's body is her home. 1135 00:59:05,501 --> 00:59:09,797 That her body is the most intimate contact 1136 00:59:09,838 --> 00:59:11,590 that she has with her soul. 1137 00:59:11,632 --> 00:59:15,135 To rape a woman 1138 00:59:15,177 --> 00:59:18,639 is not only a violation of the body, 1139 00:59:18,681 --> 00:59:23,143 but it's also a ravishment of her soul. 1140 00:59:23,185 --> 00:59:27,231 It is in a direct attack on the emotional structure 1141 00:59:27,273 --> 00:59:28,941 that holds a woman together. 1142 00:59:28,983 --> 00:59:33,404 If you believe that that's what that woman felt, 1143 00:59:33,445 --> 00:59:36,991 when she went into that room and did that act, 1144 00:59:37,032 --> 00:59:40,119 the verdict is "not guilty." 1145 00:59:40,160 --> 00:59:42,997 You heard a lot of talk about psychotic behavior, 1146 00:59:43,038 --> 00:59:45,124 post-traumatic stress disorder, 1147 00:59:45,165 --> 00:59:48,627 battered women, other psychological jargon, 1148 00:59:48,669 --> 00:59:50,796 but if there's no irresistible impulse, 1149 00:59:50,838 --> 00:59:53,090 there's no insanity. 1150 00:59:53,132 --> 00:59:56,552 Her husband came home, he was drunk, 1151 00:59:56,593 --> 00:59:59,513 he wanted to have sex, she didn't-- 1152 00:59:59,555 --> 01:00:01,015 that's her right. 1153 01:00:01,056 --> 01:00:04,310 He forced her to have sex. She was angry. 1154 01:00:04,351 --> 01:00:07,021 And she retaliated against him. 1155 01:00:07,062 --> 01:00:12,568 Physical abuse, sexual abuse, forced abuse, anal abuse-- 1156 01:00:12,609 --> 01:00:15,029 this girl was crumbling, she was falling apart. 1157 01:00:15,070 --> 01:00:16,739 She snapped. 1158 01:00:16,780 --> 01:00:20,534 She did not have the wherewithal 1159 01:00:20,576 --> 01:00:22,036 at that moment. 1160 01:00:22,077 --> 01:00:25,414 I-- You know, to me, this is so obvious. 1161 01:00:25,456 --> 01:00:26,999 It's got to be obvious to you. 1162 01:00:27,041 --> 01:00:30,377 When you're in this unhealthy state of mind, 1163 01:00:30,419 --> 01:00:32,004 can there be any question? 1164 01:00:32,046 --> 01:00:35,799 She could not control her impulsive act. 1165 01:00:35,841 --> 01:00:39,636 O'Brien: Ladies and gentlemen, what she did cannot be excused, 1166 01:00:39,678 --> 01:00:43,974 it cannot be condoned, and it cannot be justified. 1167 01:00:44,016 --> 01:00:46,560 I ask you to find her guilty of malicious wounding. 1168 01:00:46,602 --> 01:00:49,521 Howard: This lady is ill. 1169 01:00:49,563 --> 01:00:51,982 And every doctor has told you that. 1170 01:00:52,024 --> 01:00:56,695 This lady has been stripped of all dignity, 1171 01:00:56,737 --> 01:00:59,406 of all self-confidence. 1172 01:00:59,448 --> 01:01:01,367 She needs a lot of help. 1173 01:01:01,408 --> 01:01:04,787 She needs your help. 1174 01:01:04,828 --> 01:01:08,207 By your verdict, you can restore 1175 01:01:08,248 --> 01:01:11,043 a little bit of self-respect 1176 01:01:11,085 --> 01:01:13,379 so she can walk out of this courtroom 1177 01:01:13,420 --> 01:01:15,589 with her head up. 1178 01:01:15,631 --> 01:01:18,967 I know you're gonna do the right thing. 1179 01:01:19,009 --> 01:01:23,055 And that's because justice, ladies and gentlemen, 1180 01:01:23,097 --> 01:01:24,973 is for all. 1181 01:01:25,015 --> 01:01:29,728 For the weak as well as the strong. 1182 01:01:29,770 --> 01:01:32,064 Thank you. 1183 01:01:32,106 --> 01:01:33,649 Judge: Ladies and gentlemen of the jury 1184 01:01:33,690 --> 01:01:36,068 you have heard the evidence in this matter. 1185 01:01:36,110 --> 01:01:38,195 At this time, you may go with the bailiff. 1186 01:01:38,237 --> 01:01:39,446 You'll be brought all the exhibits 1187 01:01:39,488 --> 01:01:40,906 that were placed into evidence. 1188 01:01:40,948 --> 01:01:43,492 Then you can start with your deliberations. 1189 01:01:43,534 --> 01:01:46,537 ♪♪♪ 1190 01:01:50,249 --> 01:01:52,084 [door slams] 1191 01:01:57,089 --> 01:01:59,675 I would not be taking out any long-term leases 1192 01:01:59,716 --> 01:02:01,802 if I were Lorena Bobbitt right now. 1193 01:02:01,844 --> 01:02:04,847 ♪♪♪ 1194 01:02:16,400 --> 01:02:19,403 ♪♪♪ 1195 01:02:19,453 --> 01:02:24,003 Repair and Synchronization by Easy Subtitles Synchronizer 1.0.0.0 90260

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