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RABIA CHAUDRY:
When you are working on a case
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that you think is a
wrongful conviction,
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you're only on one side.
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And that side
is getting to the truth.
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ANCHOR: 18-year-old Hae Min Lee
disappeared on January 13.
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Police found
her half-buried body.
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She had been strangled.
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The suspect is Adnan Masud Syed.
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(CAMERA CLICKS)
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CHAUDRY: I've been
saying to Adnan,
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"We should go to media.
We should go to journalists.
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'Cause they can do things
we can't do."
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(DRAMATIC MUSIC PLAYS)
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REPORTER: Adnan Syed's story
has captivated millions
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since the launch of
the podcast Serial.
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C. JUSTIN BROWN: It's our
responsibility as investigators
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to consider other suspects.
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REPORTER 2: Now, Adnan Syed
heads back to court
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as questions about his case
continue to surface.
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WOMAN: This is a
piece of evidence
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that nobody even realized
existed for all these years.
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I might've been the last person
to see him.
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I'm telling you,
that's what happened.
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I wish I never would've talked
to y'all in the first place.
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BROWN: This is perhaps
the critical piece to this case.
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ADNAN MASUD SYED: Now, I know there are
things that don't look good for me.
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(WIND BLOWING)
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(BREATHING)
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DENNIS: If we do a
movie about us,
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we all come from somewhere.
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What would we want
to open from our past...
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to open who we are,
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if they were introducing
us as a character?
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For me, a camera
would be looking
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at an eight-
or nine-year-old boy.
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And the camera moves
around real slowly
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to see what the child
is looking at.
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And the child is looking at
Pendleton Correctional Facility.
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(MUSIC PLAYING)
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(INDISTINCT CHATTER)
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MADELEINE: You see the bubble on
the top here? MAN: Yeah, yeah.
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MADELEINE: Okay, so make sure the
bubble's in the middle... MAN: Yeah.
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MADELEINE: ...in the circle,
and then you screw it in.
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MAN: Nope. It's
not in the middle yet.
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It don't wanna go in the middle.
(LAUGHING)
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Bubble's acting crazy.
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(LAUGHTER)
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(INDISTINCT CHATTER)
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MADELEINE: You can tell him to look at the
camera. No, no, I want him to be real.
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MADELIENE: Okay, good.
MAN: Just to be natural and normal.
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But we're seeing two other guys,
but we're not seeing everybody.
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MADELEINE: Right, so
we can be super wide.
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MAN: Yeah. I see.
MADELEINE: You just gotta choose.
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(LAUGHING) And there's no wrong answer.
It's whatever you want.
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MAN 2: Your back is to... It's
probably okay if it's my back, right?
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'Cause you guys are
all sharing your ideas.
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True.
So...
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MAN 2: But we just want to include
you in everything that we do.
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(LAUGHS) Okay, tell me where you
want... Where do you want me to go?
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MAN 2: In between
Thacker and Sir Charles.
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MADELEINE: All right.
MAN 2: Bam.
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DENNIS: This is something
I never thought
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we would ever have behind
bars in the first place.
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And I got to thinking,
if we do a movie about us,
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in prison or about a day in
the life of prison or whatever,
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you might wanna show
this footage here.
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And it might say something
like, "In the beginning..."
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MAN: Okay, so what do you want it to
be like, the beginning of the film?
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MAN 2: And I was thinking though,
we need, like, an aerial shot.
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MAN 3: But I see
11, 12 minds here.
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MAN 4: What makes our story interesting?
MAN 5: What captures you?
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What catches your
attention to be, like,
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"Man, we gonna watch that!"
Drama.
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That's what we need to
put out there first.
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MAN 6: Conflict.
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MAN 7: So, let's start
spitting some ideas.
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MAN 3: How do you
introduce each character?
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MIXER: Sound speed.
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PRODUCER: "A" slates. Mark.
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(MUSIC PLAYING)
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(INDISTINCT CHATTER)
Mark.
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PRODUCER: We're rolling
on A cam. Mark.
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Take one.
(CLAPS)
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CLIFF: "A" mark.
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PRODUCER: Put the slate in front
of his face and make a soft clap.
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MAN: Mark.
(CLAPS)
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PRODUCER: Say mark
and then clap.
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We can just go here
'cause that's the camera.
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Sound check,
camera B. Mark.
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We're all stepping out.
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Nah, I back out.
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I'm too nervous. Nah.
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CLIFF: So, Franko, tell me
a little about yourself.
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Well, oh, what do
you wanna know?
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(MUSIC PLAYING)
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I been locked up now 16 years...
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and about a month,
16 years and a month.
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You've had a lot of time
to think, obviously.
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Tell me a little bit
about your childhood.
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What was your home life like?
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Lot of love.
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(BIRDS CHIRPING)
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A lot of people
think it's because
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kids have bad childhoods,
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that's why they
end up in prison.
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But I had a loving family.
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I was my mother's first,
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so, to this day,
I'm still her baby.
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(WIND BLOWING)
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We wasn't no rich family
or nothing like that,
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but she wanted to make sure
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me and my sister had enough.
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I had so many toys.
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I had this little three-wheel
spin around thing
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you roll down the street.
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(MUSIC PLAYING)
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I grew up in Memphis, Tennessee.
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It was a wild place.
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It was pimps and prostitutes
and drug dealers.
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It wasn't something that
you think about as a kid.
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You just being a kid.
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(LAUGHING)
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CLIFF: You spend a lot of
time thinking about the past
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and thinking about those things?
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Yeah, I think about
it all the time.
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I think about it all the time.
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(WIND BLOWING)
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Well, how's your relationship
with your mother?
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I was a mama's boy.
I was the only son,
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you know what I'm saying?
And I was the youngest.
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But my mother worked
at General Motors.
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My stepfather was a...
Worked construction.
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Middle class,
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you know what I'm saying?
Predominantly...
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"white" neighborhood.
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She had her high school diploma
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in the house where
we could see it.
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Did the marching
with Martin Luther King.
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Fought for jobs.
She would say,
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"He fought for the things that we needed,"
and woo-woo, you know what I'm saying?
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Yeah.
And I used to write raps,
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in my bedroom, man, and I used
to leave, when I come back,
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my mother would be...
Done took a red ink pen
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and crossed out the words
and wrote the correct spelling.
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She'd be like, "Boy, y'all
ain't even know how to cuss."
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(LAUGHING)
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But, uh,
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yeah, you know, she, uh...
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Yeah, she was my rock.
You know what I'm saying?
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That's the only person in the world that
I call my OG. You know what I'm saying?
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I don't got no guys, you know,
just from the neighborhood
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that I call OG or nothing like that.
You know what I'm saying?
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(ROCKS TAPPING)
(BOYS CHATTERING)
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The way I grew up,
my mother took us over
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to all our family's house.
You know what I'm saying?
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Even though there's 13 of them,
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we knew all our
uncles and aunties.
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My cousins and them
was a little bit...
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faster than me, you feel me?
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My cousins had been
going to juvenile.
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Even though my mother
was a little liberal,
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little free,
you know what I'm saying,
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their mother was a little
bit more freer, you feel me?
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FRANKLIN: Okay.
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Let me ask you,
are you a mother's...
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Were you a mother's boy?
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No. No, but,
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like you, I always felt
protective of my mom.
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Okay.
I connected with my mom in a way that
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my siblings didn't, you know?
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We lived in a raggedy trailer,
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by a creek, on a mountainside.
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(WATER FLOWING)
(BIRDS CHIRPING)
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My mom was a little lady,
straight-up hillbilly.
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She had a prescription
drug problem.
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I understood her pain
and where she was coming from,
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even as a young person,
I remember that.
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When she was a child,
her dad died
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saving her from drowning,
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and I think that's
where it started.
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Has she ever described
to you the day of the...
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passing of her dad?
Yeah.
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Her dad was a preacher.
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He come home on a Friday,
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and told my grandma that
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the Lord revealed to him that
he was gonna die this weekend.
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He asked the kids
what they wanna do.
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And he took them to some river.
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(KIDS LAUGHING) - And then my
mom got caught in a current.
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He jumped in to save her.
BOY: Daddy!
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CLIFF: He never did come up.
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(WATER BURBLING)
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So, her brothers and sisters
would tell her that,
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"We wished you would've
died and not Dad.
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It's your fault
that Dad's dead."
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It's one of them things
that is unraveled,
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and there's no fixing it.
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There's no turning
back the clock.
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(EXHALING)
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MADELEINE: Can everybody see?
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MAN: Yeah.
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MADELEINE: So, what
do you guys think
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the filmmakers are
trying to show?
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MAN: It makes you think
about what happened to him.
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Why is he in the wheelchair?
MADELEINE: Mm-hmm.
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CLIFF: The difficulty of being in a wheelchair.
MAN: That's what I would do.
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FRANKLIN: Yeah, difficulty of being disabled.
MADELEINE: Yeah.
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MAN: Is he ex-military?
MADELEINE: Mm-hmm.
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What life would be like... That's
what I thought when I first saw him.
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MAN: You said it's
called a cold opening?
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MADELEINE: A cold open. Yeah.
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In clubs, I been out all over the
place, people will come up to me,
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and they'll shake
my hand and say,
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"Oh, it's good to see you out."
And I look at them like,
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"Good to see me out?" Where am I
supposed to be? In a closet hanging out?
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(LAUGHTER)
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MAN: Zupan, car accident.
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Did you call that lower third?
MADELEINE: Yeah.
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It's the lower third
of the screen,
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is where they used to always go.
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I just wanna look at a couple
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very different
examples of movies,
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so I think let's watch
the beginning of Grizzly Man.
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(MUSIC PLAYING)
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I'm out in the prime
cut of the big green.
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Behind me is Ed...
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(INMATES SPEAKING)
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(LAUGHTER)
MADELEINE: Yes, exactly.
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(INMATES LAUGH)
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(INMATES SPEAKING)
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They will decapitate me.
They will chop me
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into bits and pieces.
I'm dead.
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(INMATE SPEAKS)
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(INMATE 2 SPEAKS)
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MADELEINE: Yeah, yeah. Yeah.
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MADELEINE: Yeah.
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INMATE: I don't
think we should say
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what they locked
up for at first.
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INMATE 2: Yeah. Let's not
show it right off the bat.
240
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(INMATE SPEAKS)
241
00:11:44,500 --> 00:11:45,709
MADELEINE: Yeah.
242
00:11:47,750 --> 00:11:50,435
(MUSIC PLAYING)
243
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(CLIFF SPEAKING)
244
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MAN: Mr. Dennis,
245
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if you could sum up
246
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your childhood
247
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in one word, what would it be?
248
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Dramatic or pathetic.
249
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Hmm.
Something, you know, um...
250
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Why'd you choose dramatic?
251
00:12:19,375 --> 00:12:21,102
Well, because it
was always full of...
252
00:12:21,125 --> 00:12:24,180
I was always doing stupid
stuff, stealing and stuff,
253
00:12:24,410 --> 00:12:25,894
um, and I was always...
254
00:12:25,917 --> 00:12:29,769
At home, it was
always chaotic and drama.
255
00:12:29,792 --> 00:12:32,477
Just drama, drama, drama,
drama, all the time.
256
00:12:32,500 --> 00:12:35,102
It all revolved around my dad.
257
00:12:35,125 --> 00:12:36,644
He came out likable,
258
00:12:36,667 --> 00:12:39,143
uh, and some people do,
and, you know,
259
00:12:39,166 --> 00:12:41,143
they're monsters
behind closed doors.
260
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(ENGINE RUMBLING)
261
00:12:44,333 --> 00:12:47,310
I was at the Travelodge,
downtown Indianapolis.
262
00:12:47,333 --> 00:12:49,477
We lived in an apartment
behind the office.
263
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My dad came in,
laid down on the couch.
264
00:12:51,667 --> 00:12:53,268
He said he was gonna take a nap.
265
00:12:53,291 --> 00:12:55,519
He set the TV,
said don't touch it.
266
00:12:55,542 --> 00:12:57,560
(TV CLICKS ON)
(SPAGHETTI WESTERN MUSIC PLAYS)
267
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It was on a western.
268
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(MUSIC PLAYING)
269
00:13:06,000 --> 00:13:09,143
Well, after 15, 20,
30 minutes, whatever it was,
270
00:13:09,166 --> 00:13:11,792
there was a lot of action,
a lot of drama.
271
00:13:12,917 --> 00:13:14,852
(GUNFIRE) - He jumps
up off the couch,
272
00:13:14,875 --> 00:13:16,769
thinking we done did
something to the TV...
273
00:13:16,792 --> 00:13:19,185
(WHIMPERING) -...and just snatches
me by the head of my hair,
274
00:13:19,208 --> 00:13:22,185
and yanks me to the ground
and stomps on me for no reason.
275
00:13:22,208 --> 00:13:24,375
(GRUNTING)
(CRYING)
276
00:13:26,750 --> 00:13:28,894
Your father not
believing in you,
277
00:13:28,917 --> 00:13:31,644
backhanding you,
not standing up for you,
278
00:13:31,667 --> 00:13:33,185
stomping you.
Right.
279
00:13:33,208 --> 00:13:34,686
How did that make you feel?
280
00:13:34,709 --> 00:13:37,750
(CHUCKLES) Be honest
with you, I really...
281
00:13:39,291 --> 00:13:41,333
I really wanted something
bad to happen to him.
282
00:13:42,166 --> 00:13:43,519
They ended up taking my brother
283
00:13:43,542 --> 00:13:45,477
to the Children's Guardian home,
284
00:13:45,500 --> 00:13:47,519
because my father
stripped him butt naked
285
00:13:47,542 --> 00:13:49,180
and tied him up, hands and feet,
286
00:13:49,410 --> 00:13:51,185
to the hot and cold water
pipes in the shower,
287
00:13:51,208 --> 00:13:53,185
and tied the shower door shut,
288
00:13:53,208 --> 00:13:55,250
and left him there
for three days.
289
00:13:55,917 --> 00:13:59,268
You ran away a few times,
end up in the streets,
290
00:13:59,291 --> 00:14:02,394
end up in juvenile, end up in
the courtroom. DENNIS: Right.
291
00:14:02,417 --> 00:14:05,727
QUENTIS: And they knew the
details of how you got there,
292
00:14:05,750 --> 00:14:07,602
that you ran away,
so on and so forth.
293
00:14:07,625 --> 00:14:10,125
And, you know, and I begged
them for a foster home then.
294
00:14:10,792 --> 00:14:12,560
And you did...
I did, I begged them.
295
00:14:12,583 --> 00:14:14,977
Did you feel more comfortable
296
00:14:15,000 --> 00:14:17,600
being locked up
than being at home?
297
00:14:17,830 --> 00:14:18,936
Oh yeah. The streets
were better than home,
298
00:14:18,959 --> 00:14:21,310
and Juvie was better
than the streets.
299
00:14:21,333 --> 00:14:23,458
(VOICES CHATTERING)
300
00:14:27,917 --> 00:14:30,268
FRANKLIN: Streets was presented
to me at a young age
301
00:14:30,291 --> 00:14:32,977
before I even knew myself.
302
00:14:33,000 --> 00:14:36,936
Like, you 12 years old,
13, 14 years old.
303
00:14:36,959 --> 00:14:39,458
You really don't know
nothing about life.
304
00:14:39,959 --> 00:14:41,519
It's like, you know,
I ain't got no school.
305
00:14:41,542 --> 00:14:44,102
Ain't got nothing to do. Well,
I'm out here on these streets.
306
00:14:44,125 --> 00:14:45,936
You wasn't going to school?
307
00:14:45,959 --> 00:14:47,143
Yeah, I got kicked
out of school.
308
00:14:47,166 --> 00:14:49,180
How old were you?
Was 12.
309
00:14:49,410 --> 00:14:51,102
Twelve?
And you got kicked out?
310
00:14:51,125 --> 00:14:53,435
Yeah.
Expelled? What happened?
311
00:14:53,458 --> 00:14:55,477
Well...
312
00:14:55,500 --> 00:14:57,936
it was an incident
on the school bus.
313
00:14:57,959 --> 00:15:00,602
Dude put his hands on my sister.
KID: Oh!
314
00:15:00,625 --> 00:15:02,102
He hit her in the jaw so hard
315
00:15:02,125 --> 00:15:05,180
that her glasses
she had on broke in half.
316
00:15:05,410 --> 00:15:08,143
First, I stabbed him
with some colored pencils.
317
00:15:08,166 --> 00:15:10,180
Those didn't work out too well
318
00:15:10,410 --> 00:15:11,894
'cause he looked
at me and was like,
319
00:15:11,917 --> 00:15:13,769
gave me the death stare,
320
00:15:13,792 --> 00:15:16,727
and turned his
attention towards me.
321
00:15:16,750 --> 00:15:18,394
Get him, Franko!
Get him!
322
00:15:18,417 --> 00:15:20,310
FRANKLIN: Some of her
girlfriends tried to jump in,
323
00:15:20,333 --> 00:15:22,602
and it turned into a big brouha.
324
00:15:22,625 --> 00:15:25,769
(KIDS YELLING) - A brawl. A
bar brawl on the school bus.
325
00:15:25,792 --> 00:15:27,143
I had a knife in my pocket.
326
00:15:27,166 --> 00:15:29,852
I always knew the facts,
so I had weapons.
327
00:15:29,875 --> 00:15:32,227
I know I got him
in the stomach area,
328
00:15:32,250 --> 00:15:34,727
think, like, the shoulder.
329
00:15:34,750 --> 00:15:36,310
When your mom found out,
330
00:15:36,333 --> 00:15:39,600
what was her reaction when
they learned that you had
331
00:15:39,830 --> 00:15:42,310
actually stabbed this guy?
332
00:15:42,333 --> 00:15:45,394
When she found out about it,
she was highly disappointed.
333
00:15:45,417 --> 00:15:49,180
(INDISTINCT YELLING) - She felt
like it all could've been avoided
334
00:15:49,410 --> 00:15:51,852
if the bus driver would've
let us off the bus
335
00:15:51,875 --> 00:15:55,310
instead of taking us
back to the school, so.
336
00:15:55,333 --> 00:15:58,143
So, although your mom was disappointed
that you was out of school,
337
00:15:58,166 --> 00:16:00,560
she was happy that you
stood up for your sister.
338
00:16:00,583 --> 00:16:05,600
Yeah. Well, yeah, 'cause the motto was,
like, if one fights, you all fight.
339
00:16:05,830 --> 00:16:07,227
You know? Family motto.
Right.
340
00:16:07,250 --> 00:16:10,185
Oh yeah? Your mom
and dad were married?
341
00:16:10,208 --> 00:16:13,102
I mean, you had a good nuclear family?
Yeah.
342
00:16:13,125 --> 00:16:15,180
Um, I don't classify it as good
343
00:16:15,410 --> 00:16:16,852
because they were
always fighting.
344
00:16:16,875 --> 00:16:19,519
When my dad was high
or drunk, he was, like,
345
00:16:19,542 --> 00:16:21,519
the coolest parent in the world,
346
00:16:21,542 --> 00:16:25,477
but once he was fiending
for that stuff, it was,
347
00:16:25,500 --> 00:16:28,435
you know, ticking
time bomb. So you,
348
00:16:28,458 --> 00:16:31,686
you step too loud in
the house, you know,
349
00:16:31,709 --> 00:16:33,936
violence will occur, so...
350
00:16:33,959 --> 00:16:36,852
Are you still in contact
with your parents?
351
00:16:36,875 --> 00:16:39,477
My dad passed away,
like, six years ago,
352
00:16:39,500 --> 00:16:41,519
but to be honest,
it didn't affect me
353
00:16:41,542 --> 00:16:43,727
not one bit at all.
354
00:16:43,750 --> 00:16:45,560
I was always worried
355
00:16:45,583 --> 00:16:48,180
that he would kill my mom.
356
00:16:48,410 --> 00:16:49,936
I remember it was...
357
00:16:49,959 --> 00:16:53,394
around the time this individual
got out of prison on furlough,
358
00:16:53,417 --> 00:16:56,227
he killed his wife
with a shotgun.
359
00:16:56,250 --> 00:16:58,894
We were living in
the shelter center
360
00:16:58,917 --> 00:17:01,435
for battered women
and children, and,
361
00:17:01,458 --> 00:17:04,185
at the time, my mama's face was,
362
00:17:04,208 --> 00:17:07,310
like, the size of a real
pumpkin, both eyes swollen shut.
363
00:17:07,333 --> 00:17:10,727
And she telling her friend
and everybody's like,
364
00:17:10,750 --> 00:17:13,268
that's gonna be me one day.
365
00:17:13,291 --> 00:17:16,917
And like, for you to hear your
mom say that, like, that's...
366
00:17:17,583 --> 00:17:20,644
How old were you then?
I was, like, six.
367
00:17:20,667 --> 00:17:21,769
Wow.
So,
368
00:17:21,792 --> 00:17:24,936
yeah, I was, like,
six years old. Yeah.
369
00:17:24,959 --> 00:17:26,811
(MAN SHOUTING)
370
00:17:26,834 --> 00:17:28,727
CLIFF: The most memories
I have was probably
371
00:17:28,750 --> 00:17:32,769
around third grade,
of elementary school.
372
00:17:32,792 --> 00:17:36,394
A lot of fighting, you know,
that just comes natural,
373
00:17:36,417 --> 00:17:39,310
but I asked where my dad was.
374
00:17:39,333 --> 00:17:41,143
She told me that she
was six months pregnant
375
00:17:41,166 --> 00:17:43,268
when he first
found out about it,
376
00:17:43,291 --> 00:17:45,352
and he kicked her
out of a moving car.
377
00:17:45,375 --> 00:17:48,600
That the last time she seen him.
378
00:17:48,830 --> 00:17:50,644
She told me that day, he was
doing, like, 50 miles an hour,
379
00:17:50,667 --> 00:17:53,143
and that she ended up
going to the hospital,
380
00:17:53,166 --> 00:17:55,268
and she broke a couple of bones.
381
00:17:55,291 --> 00:17:57,268
And I remember her saying,
382
00:17:57,291 --> 00:18:00,227
"Luckily, you
wasn't hurt."
383
00:18:00,250 --> 00:18:02,227
That made me feel like,
384
00:18:02,250 --> 00:18:05,310
well, she wanted me.
You know what I mean?
385
00:18:05,333 --> 00:18:08,435
(MUSIC PLAYING)
386
00:18:08,458 --> 00:18:10,435
DENNIS: I left the house after
he stomped me that time.
387
00:18:10,458 --> 00:18:12,686
I was like 12,
13 years old then.
388
00:18:12,709 --> 00:18:15,143
I knew a friend whose dad had
389
00:18:15,166 --> 00:18:18,477
brought out a sawed-off
shotgun, and, um,
390
00:18:18,500 --> 00:18:20,727
old Western-style
.45, .44,
391
00:18:20,750 --> 00:18:22,769
whatever it was.
I'm not sure what it was.
392
00:18:22,792 --> 00:18:24,644
But I went there to
try and steal them,
393
00:18:24,667 --> 00:18:27,600
and come back and kill him.
394
00:18:27,830 --> 00:18:30,000
I thought about suicide, too.
395
00:18:32,125 --> 00:18:35,519
INTERVIEWER: But let me
just ask you this question.
396
00:18:35,542 --> 00:18:39,185
I was getting whooped
when I was a kid,
397
00:18:39,208 --> 00:18:42,727
but I never developed
the urge to kill my mother.
398
00:18:42,750 --> 00:18:45,102
Was your thought process
399
00:18:45,125 --> 00:18:49,180
if I kill him,
my mother won't be abused...
400
00:18:49,410 --> 00:18:51,519
No, I planned on
killing her, too.
401
00:18:51,542 --> 00:18:53,125
I blamed her just as much.
402
00:18:53,583 --> 00:18:55,435
You know, you back
a dog into the corner,
403
00:18:55,458 --> 00:18:57,268
and you're beating
him and stuff, I mean,
404
00:18:57,291 --> 00:18:59,519
he's gonna try to come up
out of that corner, and,
405
00:18:59,542 --> 00:19:02,143
for me, running away
wasn't getting it.
406
00:19:02,166 --> 00:19:04,268
I kept running away
and I just kept ending up
407
00:19:04,291 --> 00:19:05,852
right back in the same place.
408
00:19:05,875 --> 00:19:07,875
(DISTANT SIREN BLARING)
(DOG BARKING)
409
00:19:10,410 --> 00:19:11,417
(WHINES)
410
00:19:13,125 --> 00:19:14,583
(DOGS BARKING)
411
00:19:16,875 --> 00:19:19,333
(GLASS BREAKS)
(WHINES)
412
00:19:21,959 --> 00:19:25,830
(INMATES CHATTERING)
413
00:19:28,250 --> 00:19:29,769
(CHATTER CONTINUING)
414
00:19:29,792 --> 00:19:31,644
MAN: Remember the inciting
incident, you know?
415
00:19:31,667 --> 00:19:34,560
That always gets everything going, and
the self-disclosure. MAN 2: Right.
416
00:19:34,583 --> 00:19:36,894
Maybe we are,
and our stories in here,
417
00:19:36,917 --> 00:19:39,560
each one of us altogether,
that is the inciting incident.
418
00:19:39,583 --> 00:19:41,352
Inciting incident.
Where you decided
419
00:19:41,375 --> 00:19:43,602
to change who you are.
QUENTIS: Is the plot,
420
00:19:43,625 --> 00:19:44,977
kind of like, even though...
421
00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:46,977
'cause we was talking
about at the beginning how
422
00:19:47,000 --> 00:19:48,435
when you start out
young, and you don't get
423
00:19:48,458 --> 00:19:50,727
the proper education,
you know what I'm saying.
424
00:19:50,750 --> 00:19:52,852
You know, the proper
skills or, you know,
425
00:19:52,875 --> 00:19:54,519
how to think properly,
you know what I'm saying?
426
00:19:54,542 --> 00:19:57,435
How to discern between right
and wrong and what not.
427
00:19:57,458 --> 00:19:59,102
But I don't want us to get into
428
00:19:59,125 --> 00:20:01,560
making this feel like
a sympathy type of thing.
429
00:20:01,583 --> 00:20:03,227
So I don't want the kids
that seeing that,
430
00:20:03,250 --> 00:20:05,560
oh, this guy made a mistake.
He was abused, he was on drugs,
431
00:20:05,583 --> 00:20:08,394
his father wasn't there. Let's
also tell the other story of,
432
00:20:08,417 --> 00:20:11,600
I chose to kill you.
MAN: That's a great thought.
433
00:20:11,830 --> 00:20:13,102
(CHATTER) - No one else
put you here but you.
434
00:20:13,125 --> 00:20:14,769
CLIFF: The thing
that I like is that,
435
00:20:14,792 --> 00:20:17,769
we start with...
with Dennis's scene.
436
00:20:17,792 --> 00:20:19,477
A boy looking at prison,
437
00:20:19,500 --> 00:20:21,811
bu then you got other
kids in animation
438
00:20:21,834 --> 00:20:23,769
coming and joining him.
439
00:20:23,792 --> 00:20:26,852
And maybe all of the kids
coming together,
440
00:20:26,875 --> 00:20:29,811
and they're all looking at it, and
then you see what they're looking at.
441
00:20:29,834 --> 00:20:32,102
(CHATTER)
MAN: I envision
442
00:20:32,125 --> 00:20:33,936
some signs where it says,
"Turn Left Here,"
443
00:20:33,959 --> 00:20:35,602
or, "Keep Going Straight."
444
00:20:35,625 --> 00:20:38,227
Like, you still
have a second chance
445
00:20:38,250 --> 00:20:39,727
where you can actually...
446
00:20:39,750 --> 00:20:41,977
MAN 2: Take that road, get you
back onto the right road.
447
00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:44,394
Right.
I was thinking about this,
448
00:20:44,417 --> 00:20:46,435
like, we recognize that,
you know what I'm saying,
449
00:20:46,458 --> 00:20:49,268
at the end of the day,
you know, society see us as,
450
00:20:49,291 --> 00:20:50,811
you know...
prisoners.
451
00:20:50,834 --> 00:20:54,477
But I was thinking you could
come in with your browns off.
452
00:20:54,500 --> 00:20:56,394
(MUSIC PLAYING)
453
00:20:56,417 --> 00:21:00,519
And as you talk and you
start to put your browns on,
454
00:21:00,542 --> 00:21:04,310
they could begin to see, like,
no, I'm actually in prison.
455
00:21:04,333 --> 00:21:06,686
FRANKLIN: I like that
you begin dressed.
456
00:21:06,709 --> 00:21:08,227
At the end, you can, like,
457
00:21:08,250 --> 00:21:10,727
show the crime
that got you here.
458
00:21:10,750 --> 00:21:13,352
Like, well let me tell you
how I got in this mess.
459
00:21:13,375 --> 00:21:16,180
QUENTIS: Yeah. If you
show each one of us,
460
00:21:16,410 --> 00:21:17,560
whether it's in
animated or what not,
461
00:21:17,583 --> 00:21:20,185
and each one of us is saying
my story is not special...
462
00:21:20,208 --> 00:21:22,811
MAN: We need to get past
the visual of something.
463
00:21:22,834 --> 00:21:25,310
We need to get to the meat
and potatoes of it...
464
00:21:25,333 --> 00:21:27,352
MAN 2: None of us in here
wanted to come to prison.
465
00:21:27,375 --> 00:21:28,936
Now, some of us may
have wanted to commit
466
00:21:28,959 --> 00:21:30,352
the acts that we committed,
467
00:21:30,375 --> 00:21:32,727
but why did we wanna
commit those acts?
468
00:21:32,750 --> 00:21:34,917
(CONTINUES INDISTINCTLY)
469
00:21:36,410 --> 00:21:38,410
(MUSIC PLAYING)
470
00:21:43,830 --> 00:21:45,208
(GIGGLING)
471
00:21:47,417 --> 00:21:49,310
FRANKLIN: We moved to Indiana
so I can go to school
472
00:21:49,333 --> 00:21:51,644
'cause I got kicked
out of school.
473
00:21:51,667 --> 00:21:53,852
I didn't even really
go to school that much.
474
00:21:53,875 --> 00:21:57,600
How did your parents react when
you got kicked out of school,
475
00:21:57,830 --> 00:21:58,811
or when you quit
going to school?
476
00:21:58,834 --> 00:22:02,600
Well, my dad, he tried to do
something about it, but it's, like,
477
00:22:02,830 --> 00:22:04,352
man, you out here getting high
478
00:22:04,375 --> 00:22:06,560
and you can't tell me nothing.
You can sit down.
479
00:22:06,583 --> 00:22:10,686
I was an honor roll
student as a child.
480
00:22:10,709 --> 00:22:13,519
And I wasn't the first person
they seen at a young age
481
00:22:13,542 --> 00:22:14,894
doing what I was doing,
482
00:22:14,917 --> 00:22:17,250
and unfortunately,
I wasn't the last.
483
00:22:18,250 --> 00:22:22,477
I was smart in school.
School was actually boring.
484
00:22:22,500 --> 00:22:24,477
My mama, she used
to always get on me.
485
00:22:24,500 --> 00:22:27,102
"Why you never got no homework?"
486
00:22:27,125 --> 00:22:29,143
I'm like, "'Cause it's done."
487
00:22:29,166 --> 00:22:31,180
When you moved to Fort Wayne,
488
00:22:31,410 --> 00:22:32,686
what was the neighborhood like?
489
00:22:32,709 --> 00:22:34,560
People getting beat up, shot.
490
00:22:34,583 --> 00:22:37,180
I seen a guy get burnt up.
491
00:22:37,410 --> 00:22:39,769
So, what were people
getting... You said burnt up?
492
00:22:39,792 --> 00:22:42,644
They took his money,
took his drugs,
493
00:22:42,667 --> 00:22:46,227
and... set him on fire.
494
00:22:46,250 --> 00:22:49,811
When you pulled up and that
situation was unfolding,
495
00:22:49,834 --> 00:22:51,936
what was you feeling?
496
00:22:51,959 --> 00:22:54,600
Well, you shouldn't
have been over here.
497
00:22:54,830 --> 00:22:56,394
Were there any people
in your neighborhood
498
00:22:56,417 --> 00:23:00,560
that completed high
school or held good jobs
499
00:23:00,583 --> 00:23:04,769
or good, positive role
models in your neighborhood?
500
00:23:04,792 --> 00:23:06,792
Nah, there wasn't
no role model types.
501
00:23:08,291 --> 00:23:12,811
There... I don't remember no dudes
my age graduating high school.
502
00:23:12,834 --> 00:23:15,310
I really started learning
about the Vice Lords
503
00:23:15,333 --> 00:23:16,977
probably when I was about 10.
504
00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:18,644
We would go to Amber Woods,
505
00:23:18,667 --> 00:23:20,769
walk all the way
down on Marehoefer,
506
00:23:20,792 --> 00:23:22,477
and...
507
00:23:22,500 --> 00:23:25,310
you know... socialize
508
00:23:25,333 --> 00:23:27,852
with the brothers and sisters
that was Vice Lords.
509
00:23:27,875 --> 00:23:30,268
They taught me those
five principles,
510
00:23:30,291 --> 00:23:31,936
love, truth, peace,
freedom, and justice,
511
00:23:31,959 --> 00:23:34,310
you know what I'm saying.
Taught me the signs and symbols.
512
00:23:34,333 --> 00:23:37,394
When I was actually in sixth
grade, you know what I'm saying,
513
00:23:37,417 --> 00:23:40,143
you know, I thought I was
doing my little schoolwork.
514
00:23:40,166 --> 00:23:42,894
That's what I would do, I would pull
out the literature and learn it.
515
00:23:42,917 --> 00:23:44,936
What the cross mean,
you know what I'm saying?
516
00:23:44,959 --> 00:23:46,477
What the top hat mean, you know.
517
00:23:46,500 --> 00:23:49,644
My sister would tell my mother.
518
00:23:49,667 --> 00:23:51,811
You know what
I'm saying... Like,
519
00:23:51,834 --> 00:23:54,227
"Mama, do you know
that he's in a gang?"
520
00:23:54,250 --> 00:23:56,727
And I would always say,
"Mama, I ain't in no gang."
521
00:23:56,750 --> 00:23:58,310
Yeah.
You know what I'm saying?
522
00:23:58,333 --> 00:24:00,477
I never committed
a violent crime.
523
00:24:00,500 --> 00:24:01,769
All the stuff I ever done was
524
00:24:01,792 --> 00:24:04,310
petty thefts and burglaries,
things like that.
525
00:24:04,333 --> 00:24:07,291
I stole a box of candy...
526
00:24:08,333 --> 00:24:09,977
from a store once,
527
00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:12,185
when we were selling
candy for the school.
528
00:24:12,208 --> 00:24:14,143
I stole a...
529
00:24:14,166 --> 00:24:19,185
a roach clip once, from a house,
that was a shape of a naked woman.
530
00:24:19,208 --> 00:24:21,602
So, you squeeze on the elbows
and the legs would open,
531
00:24:21,625 --> 00:24:23,352
and put the joint in.
532
00:24:23,375 --> 00:24:25,811
Stupid shit, man, just stupid.
533
00:24:25,834 --> 00:24:28,667
Why do you think
that you were stealing?
534
00:24:30,458 --> 00:24:33,352
I had no reason to do it.
535
00:24:33,375 --> 00:24:37,268
FRANKLIN: On the streets, you
have a lot of lost people.
536
00:24:37,291 --> 00:24:39,227
It's like The Walking Dead.
537
00:24:39,250 --> 00:24:40,852
(GROANING)
538
00:24:40,875 --> 00:24:44,394
A zombie, you're eating
on this person. For what?
539
00:24:44,417 --> 00:24:46,352
Only way I think is
'cause you hungry,
540
00:24:46,375 --> 00:24:47,977
so you just done that
because you was hungry.
541
00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:50,727
(SCREAMING)
But it wasn't a good idea.
542
00:24:50,750 --> 00:24:52,102
Wasn't a good plan.
543
00:24:52,125 --> 00:24:53,519
(SCREAMING CONTINUES)
544
00:24:53,542 --> 00:24:56,667
I was an alcoholic
by the time I was 14.
545
00:24:58,125 --> 00:25:01,852
Then I got caught up
in selling drugs myself.
546
00:25:01,875 --> 00:25:04,644
Was that common in
your neighborhood?
547
00:25:04,667 --> 00:25:06,227
Yeah. Everybody out
there selling dope.
548
00:25:06,250 --> 00:25:09,600
They helping they parents out
because a lot of our parents
549
00:25:09,830 --> 00:25:11,125
were using the drugs
we were selling.
550
00:25:12,333 --> 00:25:15,394
Look at it, I don't think
nobody wasn't selling drugs.
551
00:25:15,417 --> 00:25:16,852
(CHATTERING)
552
00:25:16,875 --> 00:25:18,268
QUENTIS: The situation
was lucrative
553
00:25:18,291 --> 00:25:21,291
because we was in
a middle class community.
554
00:25:22,875 --> 00:25:25,477
When I spent $80,
555
00:25:25,500 --> 00:25:28,227
and made over 300,
556
00:25:28,250 --> 00:25:30,519
it made me feel kinda good that
557
00:25:30,542 --> 00:25:32,310
I'm able to give
my mother something,
558
00:25:32,333 --> 00:25:33,644
you know what I'm saying?
559
00:25:33,667 --> 00:25:34,894
You were 12 years old?
560
00:25:34,917 --> 00:25:36,917
Eleven, 12 years old,
I started selling dope.
561
00:25:37,917 --> 00:25:39,727
Start having sex,
562
00:25:39,750 --> 00:25:41,709
11 years old,
got a girl pregnant.
563
00:25:42,417 --> 00:25:43,686
CLIFF: When I was 16,
564
00:25:43,709 --> 00:25:45,750
me and my girlfriend
had our first kid.
565
00:25:46,208 --> 00:25:49,268
I didn't make enough
money to support a family.
566
00:25:49,291 --> 00:25:51,600
I started selling cocaine
567
00:25:51,830 --> 00:25:53,959
just to... just to make
the ends meet.
568
00:25:54,709 --> 00:25:58,500
But then, somebody introduced
me to crack cocaine.
569
00:25:59,667 --> 00:26:01,602
That first hit...
(SNAPS FINGERS)
570
00:26:01,625 --> 00:26:03,394
...right there, it just
571
00:26:03,417 --> 00:26:06,811
introduced me to something
I knew was stronger than me.
572
00:26:06,834 --> 00:26:08,959
(MUSIC PLAYING)
573
00:26:12,291 --> 00:26:13,686
CLIFF: Did you ever smoke crack?
574
00:26:13,709 --> 00:26:17,291
Never. I never smoked crack,
never snorted powder,
575
00:26:17,834 --> 00:26:19,519
never did heroin.
576
00:26:19,542 --> 00:26:23,600
Why did you stay away
from harder drugs?
577
00:26:23,830 --> 00:26:24,519
Oh...
578
00:26:24,542 --> 00:26:26,977
'Cause I saw what it did.
579
00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:29,477
I saw what it did to people,
580
00:26:29,500 --> 00:26:32,500
and I didn't wanna
end up like that.
581
00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:34,727
So, help me understand,
582
00:26:34,750 --> 00:26:37,143
because you didn't
do the hard drugs
583
00:26:37,166 --> 00:26:40,852
because you seen what
it was doing to people.
584
00:26:40,875 --> 00:26:42,477
But yet, you was selling them
585
00:26:42,500 --> 00:26:44,644
to the people that was
doing those things.
586
00:26:44,667 --> 00:26:47,667
So, I mean, did you
ever think about that?
587
00:26:48,375 --> 00:26:50,143
In my mind,
588
00:26:50,166 --> 00:26:51,834
it was...
589
00:26:52,667 --> 00:26:54,834
they gonna get it somewhere.
590
00:26:55,667 --> 00:26:57,310
They don't get it from me,
591
00:26:57,333 --> 00:26:59,227
they gonna get it from him,
592
00:26:59,250 --> 00:27:01,143
and I'm gonna be walking
around here broke,
593
00:27:01,166 --> 00:27:03,977
and he gonna be walking
around with all the money.
594
00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:06,333
Can you describe to me, like,
595
00:27:07,208 --> 00:27:09,727
the moment that you realized
596
00:27:09,750 --> 00:27:12,917
you were an addict,
or a potential addict?
597
00:27:13,542 --> 00:27:15,519
When my drug use shifted
598
00:27:15,542 --> 00:27:18,686
from just being a recreational
weekend thing,
599
00:27:18,709 --> 00:27:21,227
to a through the week thing.
(CHATTERING IN HALLWAY)
600
00:27:21,250 --> 00:27:24,602
Sorry. They're having
to bring somebody in here.
601
00:27:24,625 --> 00:27:26,185
Okay.
So, we have to move
602
00:27:26,208 --> 00:27:28,769
because it's gonna be too loud.
CLIFF: Okay.
603
00:27:28,792 --> 00:27:31,936
MADELEINE: We'll come back as
soon as this... FRANKLIN: Uh-huh.
604
00:27:31,959 --> 00:27:34,394
(INDISTINCT CHATTER)
MADELEINE: Have you guys been in these?
605
00:27:34,417 --> 00:27:37,602
Dry cell? Oh yeah. (CHUCKLES)
MAN: When we were there,
606
00:27:37,625 --> 00:27:39,852
everything used to be a good
idea at one time or another.
607
00:27:39,875 --> 00:27:42,686
What, so it's when
they take you...
608
00:27:42,709 --> 00:27:44,560
CLIFF: Fighting or if they're
under investigation...
609
00:27:44,583 --> 00:27:46,477
I remember I got
into it in the chow hall.
610
00:27:46,500 --> 00:27:48,686
MAN: Before they decide
to put you upstairs in...
611
00:27:48,709 --> 00:27:51,143
It was at breakfast time.
Got maced.
612
00:27:51,166 --> 00:27:54,394
Stuck me in there for, like,
five hours... (MUTTERS)
613
00:27:54,417 --> 00:27:57,727
It was freezing and everything.
CLIFF: They stuck me in this dry cell
614
00:27:57,750 --> 00:28:00,560
for eight hours one time, I'm
all handcuffed behind my back,
615
00:28:00,583 --> 00:28:03,180
with nothing but boxers on,
in the wintertime.
616
00:28:03,410 --> 00:28:06,602
I was froze for three days.
Freezing to death. I mean, all right.
617
00:28:06,625 --> 00:28:08,852
I'm wondering
what they got Dodd for.
618
00:28:08,875 --> 00:28:10,143
FRANKLIN: Man, you
know what's...
619
00:28:10,166 --> 00:28:12,268
You know what it's about.
Stop playing crazy.
620
00:28:12,291 --> 00:28:14,519
It's only one of few things.
621
00:28:14,542 --> 00:28:15,917
(CLEARS THROAT)
622
00:28:23,709 --> 00:28:27,227
FRANKLIN: Ninety-one minutes, that mean
that's the life left in the battery?
623
00:28:27,250 --> 00:28:29,143
PRODUCER: Yep.
Franklin? F22 is...?
624
00:28:29,166 --> 00:28:32,435
PRODUCER: F 2.2. That's the f-stop.
Okay. It's what?
625
00:28:32,458 --> 00:28:33,977
PRODUCER: The F-stop, the iris.
626
00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:36,435
How big...
FRANKLIN: How big, oh, okay.
627
00:28:36,458 --> 00:28:38,519
ISO 320?
628
00:28:38,542 --> 00:28:40,102
Is that... What's that?
629
00:28:40,125 --> 00:28:41,686
PRODUCER: That's more of,
630
00:28:41,709 --> 00:28:44,602
you know, opening up the, um...
631
00:28:44,625 --> 00:28:46,602
to get more light in or
632
00:28:46,625 --> 00:28:48,394
take the light out.
Oh.
633
00:28:48,417 --> 00:28:51,560
And the, what's that,
180 degrees? Square?
634
00:28:51,583 --> 00:28:54,125
That's the shutter. The shutter angle.
The shutt... oh, okay.
635
00:28:54,625 --> 00:28:57,180
FRANKLIN: Just inquiring mind, you know.
MADELEINE: Did Daniel pass?
636
00:28:57,410 --> 00:28:58,519
(LAUGHING)
637
00:28:58,542 --> 00:29:01,180
CLIFF: If you don't mind asking,
how much is that equipment...
638
00:29:01,410 --> 00:29:04,125
Just that unit right there?
PRODUCER: Probably, 25.
639
00:29:05,417 --> 00:29:07,727
Twenty-five racks?
640
00:29:07,750 --> 00:29:09,519
Man!
FRANKLIN: Thought this thing was cheap?
641
00:29:09,542 --> 00:29:11,102
I didn't think it was that expensive.
Wow.
642
00:29:11,125 --> 00:29:12,852
PRODUCER: Well, that's new.
(LAUGHING)
643
00:29:12,875 --> 00:29:14,352
Twenty-five grand?
644
00:29:14,375 --> 00:29:16,310
PRODUCER: Yeah, it's professional
equipment. (WHISTLES)
645
00:29:16,333 --> 00:29:18,310
MADELEINE: All right,
Brandon, come join us.
646
00:29:18,333 --> 00:29:19,977
You did good directing
MAN: You still playing with it?
647
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:22,227
BRANDON: I'm having fun.
I'm playing.
648
00:29:22,250 --> 00:29:24,143
MAN: We got Quentin
Tarantino over here.
649
00:29:24,166 --> 00:29:25,102
(LAUGHTER)
650
00:29:25,125 --> 00:29:26,602
BRANDON: I'm a good cameraman.
651
00:29:26,625 --> 00:29:30,435
MADELEINE: So, I was thinking
what could be cool to do
652
00:29:30,458 --> 00:29:32,310
is split you into pairs.
653
00:29:32,333 --> 00:29:34,268
You're gonna
interview each other,
654
00:29:34,291 --> 00:29:37,333
and tell each other's stories.
655
00:29:39,166 --> 00:29:41,352
From his stepdad and his father,
656
00:29:41,375 --> 00:29:44,394
as much as he didn't
wanna be like them,
657
00:29:44,417 --> 00:29:46,811
in so many ways,
he started becoming them.
658
00:29:46,834 --> 00:29:49,477
Unfortunately,
his father, you know,
659
00:29:49,500 --> 00:29:51,811
led a life of crime as well.
660
00:29:51,834 --> 00:29:54,519
I was a D and F student.
He was an A student...
661
00:29:54,542 --> 00:29:56,644
A and B student, a good student.
662
00:29:56,667 --> 00:29:59,208
Um, his life,
if I would've had...
663
00:30:00,458 --> 00:30:03,143
more of his life, I really
felt that my life would've
664
00:30:03,166 --> 00:30:04,894
went in a whole
different direction.
665
00:30:04,917 --> 00:30:08,268
So, that's what I got
out of his interview.
666
00:30:08,291 --> 00:30:10,894
MADELEINE: That's great. Yeah.
667
00:30:10,917 --> 00:30:13,000
(CLIFF SPEAKING)
668
00:30:15,750 --> 00:30:17,333
(MAN SPEAKS)
669
00:30:54,166 --> 00:30:56,375
MADELEINE: That's good.
(LAUGHTER)
670
00:30:59,750 --> 00:31:02,600
FRANKLIN: So, I wanna, you know,
671
00:31:02,830 --> 00:31:04,644
take it back though to your
gangbanging ways, right?
672
00:31:04,667 --> 00:31:07,560
I wasn't no gangbanger. I told you, bro.
Okay, my... I'm sorry.
673
00:31:07,583 --> 00:31:09,769
Excuse me, my fault.
You said what?
674
00:31:09,792 --> 00:31:11,185
I wasn't no gangbanger.
675
00:31:11,208 --> 00:31:13,291
I mean, you was in a gang.
I was never in a gang.
676
00:31:14,250 --> 00:31:15,811
It was an organization.
Okay. Yeah...
677
00:31:15,834 --> 00:31:17,936
Some clubs... Yeah, I'm sorry.
You know, gangs...
678
00:31:17,959 --> 00:31:19,769
Excuse me, I was mistaken.
679
00:31:19,792 --> 00:31:23,644
When you hear gang, it's got a negative
connotation to it, and you know...
680
00:31:23,667 --> 00:31:25,560
Okay, well let me take
it back to your organization...
681
00:31:25,583 --> 00:31:29,143
In the organization's constitution,
it says that, you know,
682
00:31:29,166 --> 00:31:32,268
we not about
criminal enterprise,
683
00:31:32,291 --> 00:31:33,435
you know what I'm saying?
684
00:31:33,458 --> 00:31:35,268
Our motives was pure.
685
00:31:35,291 --> 00:31:37,602
What you mean by that?
Our motives was pure.
686
00:31:37,625 --> 00:31:39,560
We didn't have
no criminal intent.
687
00:31:39,583 --> 00:31:41,477
Give me an example
of a pure motive.
688
00:31:41,500 --> 00:31:43,686
Did y'all, like, throw
barbecues for the...
689
00:31:43,709 --> 00:31:46,644
Oh, absolutely. You gotta understand...
Backpacks for the kids?
690
00:31:46,667 --> 00:31:49,102
For us, we was
into community, man.
691
00:31:49,125 --> 00:31:52,268
We had basketball tournaments.
692
00:31:52,291 --> 00:31:54,394
You feel me?
Oh, y'all sponsoring tournaments?
693
00:31:54,417 --> 00:31:56,644
Yeah, we did all that,
man, know what I mean?
694
00:31:56,667 --> 00:31:58,102
Well, okay. Well, like,
695
00:31:58,125 --> 00:32:00,519
how was y'all funding
this? Y'all was...
696
00:32:00,542 --> 00:32:02,394
Where was y'all getting...
Fundraisers!
697
00:32:02,417 --> 00:32:04,477
Fundraisers? Okay.
Yeah!
698
00:32:04,500 --> 00:32:06,811
You know what I'm saying?
Everybody put in a dollar.
699
00:32:06,834 --> 00:32:09,227
Everybody put in two dollars.
You know what I'm saying? Yeah.
700
00:32:09,250 --> 00:32:10,852
You had a different experience.
701
00:32:10,875 --> 00:32:13,435
Yeah, my experience was
totally different, right?
702
00:32:13,458 --> 00:32:15,936
You know, we selling dope.
703
00:32:15,959 --> 00:32:18,435
Mm-hmm.
Shooting dice, you know.
704
00:32:18,458 --> 00:32:19,894
We gambling, you know,
shit going on
705
00:32:19,917 --> 00:32:21,519
that ain't supposed
to be going on, so...
706
00:32:21,542 --> 00:32:24,852
It was told, like, what we
doing you can go to jail for,
707
00:32:24,875 --> 00:32:27,811
or somebody will kill
you for what you got.
708
00:32:27,834 --> 00:32:30,477
I think it was what
we stood on, you know?
709
00:32:30,500 --> 00:32:32,227
Love, truth, peace,
freedom, and justice.
710
00:32:32,250 --> 00:32:34,310
And one is seeing those
711
00:32:34,333 --> 00:32:36,143
morals and standards
in our character
712
00:32:36,166 --> 00:32:38,811
and in our actions,
you know what I'm saying?
713
00:32:38,834 --> 00:32:40,560
I mean, you know,
I got into all the things
714
00:32:40,583 --> 00:32:42,852
that y'all probably got into,
you know what I'm saying?
715
00:32:42,875 --> 00:32:45,750
But that ain't
where I got it from.
716
00:32:46,917 --> 00:32:50,352
You know, I got caught
up with the street life.
717
00:32:50,375 --> 00:32:52,185
You know, money, cars, clothes.
718
00:32:52,208 --> 00:32:55,977
When they find out you was
doing things outside of
719
00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:59,410
fundraising skills and how to...
720
00:32:59,792 --> 00:33:02,709
give back to the community,
what'd they say?
721
00:33:03,375 --> 00:33:05,769
Well, see, the thing was,
722
00:33:05,792 --> 00:33:07,394
by this time,
723
00:33:07,417 --> 00:33:09,644
I wasn't really under nobody.
724
00:33:09,667 --> 00:33:12,600
The buck stopped
with me at this point.
725
00:33:12,830 --> 00:33:15,834
(MUSIC PLAYING)
726
00:33:19,875 --> 00:33:22,600
RUSHAWN: OGs, they'll come through.
They were like,
727
00:33:22,830 --> 00:33:25,352
"Hey, here you go,
an ounce of dope.
728
00:33:25,375 --> 00:33:28,227
Bring me back 600."
729
00:33:28,250 --> 00:33:30,644
I didn't know
at the time, but...
730
00:33:30,667 --> 00:33:32,227
it's a test.
731
00:33:32,250 --> 00:33:33,435
You know what I'm saying?
732
00:33:33,458 --> 00:33:35,310
To see if you gonna hustle.
733
00:33:35,333 --> 00:33:37,542
To see if you gonna jack it off.
734
00:33:38,667 --> 00:33:41,600
And I was accepted.
735
00:33:41,830 --> 00:33:42,394
(LAUGHING)
736
00:33:42,417 --> 00:33:44,227
They saw the hustle in me.
737
00:33:44,250 --> 00:33:45,686
They saw the rider in me.
(CLICKS)
738
00:33:45,709 --> 00:33:49,250
(STARTS CAR, RADIO PLAYS)
I was groomed by true OGs.
739
00:33:50,125 --> 00:33:53,310
I had just stole this car,
740
00:33:53,333 --> 00:33:55,477
and I see the police.
(TIRES SCREECHING)
741
00:33:55,500 --> 00:33:58,394
When you in a stolen car
and the police get behind,
742
00:33:58,417 --> 00:33:59,727
your heart start beating.
743
00:33:59,750 --> 00:34:01,310
So, I turned a corner,
744
00:34:01,333 --> 00:34:02,727
he turned right with me.
745
00:34:02,750 --> 00:34:05,600
I turned another corner,
he turned right with me.
746
00:34:05,830 --> 00:34:06,811
I just jumped out,
747
00:34:06,834 --> 00:34:09,600
and let the car ride down
the street by itself.
748
00:34:09,830 --> 00:34:11,600
(MUSIC PLAYING)
749
00:34:11,830 --> 00:34:14,180
I just happened to look
back and I seen the police
750
00:34:14,410 --> 00:34:16,519
face-plant in the snow,
751
00:34:16,542 --> 00:34:17,811
and I get away.
752
00:34:17,834 --> 00:34:19,394
It's almost like,
remember when we were kids
753
00:34:19,417 --> 00:34:21,644
and we used to play
cops and robbers?
754
00:34:21,667 --> 00:34:24,417
Yeah. It felt like
it was my job...
755
00:34:25,333 --> 00:34:27,811
to commit crimes,
and their job to catch me.
756
00:34:27,834 --> 00:34:30,185
♪ You can't have
all the breaks... ♪
757
00:34:30,208 --> 00:34:32,727
RUSHAWN: Some people wanna
go jump out of helicopters,
758
00:34:32,750 --> 00:34:34,477
or go swimming with sharks.
759
00:34:34,500 --> 00:34:37,268
When I got a taste
of the street life,
760
00:34:37,291 --> 00:34:39,268
that was my drug of choice.
FRANKLIN: But, see,
761
00:34:39,291 --> 00:34:41,560
some of them childhood dreams
762
00:34:41,583 --> 00:34:43,894
was brung to you by a...
763
00:34:43,917 --> 00:34:47,602
influential adult who didn't
know no better theyself.
764
00:34:47,625 --> 00:34:51,143
Like... I was buying dope from
a dude, like, 12 years older.
765
00:34:51,166 --> 00:34:53,644
He'd call me like, "I got
somebody for you to rob.
766
00:34:53,667 --> 00:34:56,750
I just sold him some dope
right now. Go get that."
767
00:34:57,333 --> 00:35:00,977
Like, okay, if I'm getting
this advice from somebody
768
00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:04,394
who I look up to, what is...
That's gonna lead me to do?
769
00:35:04,417 --> 00:35:06,143
I want people to see
this and be like, damn,
770
00:35:06,166 --> 00:35:08,977
they needed some help at
one point in time, all right?
771
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:11,394
And they didn't get it,
and look what happened to them.
772
00:35:11,417 --> 00:35:13,310
That's not true for everybody.
773
00:35:13,333 --> 00:35:14,852
FRANKLIN: I didn't
say for everybody.
774
00:35:14,875 --> 00:35:16,644
(INDISTINCT CHATTER)
775
00:35:16,667 --> 00:35:19,227
If we don't know what
we want this film to do,
776
00:35:19,250 --> 00:35:20,852
then we can't have a plot.
777
00:35:20,875 --> 00:35:22,811
Everybody here does
have a different story.
778
00:35:22,834 --> 00:35:23,977
We all come from
different walks.
779
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:26,143
I come from
a horrible situation.
780
00:35:26,166 --> 00:35:29,227
We should be an informative film
781
00:35:29,250 --> 00:35:31,811
that society can
look at us and say,
782
00:35:31,834 --> 00:35:34,227
maybe we are fucking up.
Not just did they fuck up,
783
00:35:34,250 --> 00:35:37,143
but maybe we're fucking up. But see, you
can't blame your problems on society.
784
00:35:37,166 --> 00:35:38,852
That's what some people
will say you have...
785
00:35:38,875 --> 00:35:41,977
(OVERLAPPING CHATTERING)
786
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:44,936
(MUSIC PLAYING)
787
00:35:44,959 --> 00:35:47,811
(CHATTERING CONTINUES)
788
00:35:47,834 --> 00:35:51,185
QUENTIS: Do you think,
or do you feel that
789
00:35:51,208 --> 00:35:53,180
your childhood situation
790
00:35:53,410 --> 00:35:56,709
had a lot to do with
you ending up in prison?
791
00:35:57,709 --> 00:35:59,410
Um...
792
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:04,352
Yes and no.
I always felt like
793
00:36:04,375 --> 00:36:06,560
I'd probably end up in prison.
Mm-hmm.
794
00:36:06,583 --> 00:36:09,727
But I felt like it would be
for short periods of time,
795
00:36:09,750 --> 00:36:11,519
because that's what I had known.
796
00:36:11,542 --> 00:36:14,268
I didn't get a foster
family until I was 16,
797
00:36:14,291 --> 00:36:16,686
and I think if I would've
been eight or 10 years old,
798
00:36:16,709 --> 00:36:18,519
and moved into that home,
799
00:36:18,542 --> 00:36:21,894
or to a home, it may have been
a totally different situation.
800
00:36:21,917 --> 00:36:24,268
INTERVIEWER: Mm.
Could you tell me
801
00:36:24,291 --> 00:36:27,394
how it came about for you
being with your foster parents?
802
00:36:27,417 --> 00:36:28,769
Yeah, I was in Juvie,
803
00:36:28,792 --> 00:36:31,644
and, um, my foster dad
804
00:36:31,667 --> 00:36:33,227
was the superintendent of Juvie.
805
00:36:33,250 --> 00:36:36,227
One day, he brought
his wife and kids in.
806
00:36:36,250 --> 00:36:37,852
I met them.
He told me,
807
00:36:37,875 --> 00:36:40,750
"When you get out, if you want
to, you can come stay with us."
808
00:36:41,333 --> 00:36:43,268
I said, okay,
yeah. You bet.
809
00:36:43,291 --> 00:36:45,644
(MUSIC PLAYING)
810
00:36:45,667 --> 00:36:48,477
It was a beautiful home.
811
00:36:48,500 --> 00:36:51,102
There was no nicotine on the
walls and furniture and stuff.
812
00:36:51,125 --> 00:36:53,936
My house, I remember
wiping the window,
813
00:36:53,959 --> 00:36:56,500
and nicotine being
all over my fingers.
814
00:36:57,667 --> 00:36:59,435
We're sitting around
on the front porch,
815
00:36:59,458 --> 00:37:03,352
and the two kids kissed their
mom and dad on the mouth.
816
00:37:03,375 --> 00:37:06,458
I never seen that kind
of affection before.
817
00:37:08,917 --> 00:37:12,102
We just always had a good
relationship, even though,
818
00:37:12,125 --> 00:37:14,185
like I said, I was
always dysfunctional.
819
00:37:14,208 --> 00:37:16,394
Running away and
doing stupid stuff.
820
00:37:16,417 --> 00:37:18,143
You know it was
a good situation,
821
00:37:18,166 --> 00:37:20,894
but you were still acting the same
when you were at home. Right, right.
822
00:37:20,917 --> 00:37:22,834
(RAIN PATTERING)
823
00:37:26,208 --> 00:37:29,102
QUENTIS: At 18, the superintendent
of the juvenile center
824
00:37:29,125 --> 00:37:30,936
took him in.
825
00:37:30,959 --> 00:37:32,602
He was found on his wrongdoings
826
00:37:32,625 --> 00:37:35,143
under benevolent custodianship,
827
00:37:35,166 --> 00:37:38,811
where he stole from
him and whatnot.
828
00:37:38,834 --> 00:37:40,477
While they never abandoned him,
829
00:37:40,500 --> 00:37:43,977
no matter his crimes in
the house, or out of it,
830
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:46,644
to where they're
still in his life today,
831
00:37:46,667 --> 00:37:49,227
and come see him
on regular visits.
832
00:37:49,250 --> 00:37:52,352
I can see his endearment and
love for them at this point
833
00:37:52,375 --> 00:37:55,227
in the interview,
his emotional attachment
834
00:37:55,250 --> 00:37:57,102
was written all over his face.
835
00:37:57,125 --> 00:37:58,435
I thank him for the interview
836
00:37:58,458 --> 00:38:00,852
and his candid
reflection on his life.
837
00:38:00,875 --> 00:38:02,709
MADELEINE: That's great.
838
00:38:03,291 --> 00:38:04,811
Awesome.
Boy, that was a lot.
839
00:38:04,834 --> 00:38:07,180
(LAUGHTER)
That was a lot.
840
00:38:07,410 --> 00:38:10,185
MADELEINE: Is it strange to
hear it told back to you?
841
00:38:10,208 --> 00:38:13,600
Oh yeah. Yeah,
I mean, because...
842
00:38:13,830 --> 00:38:15,102
I mean, it's different.
843
00:38:15,125 --> 00:38:17,834
It's real, you know?
Since I was...
844
00:38:20,375 --> 00:38:22,375
10 years old...
845
00:38:24,125 --> 00:38:25,602
(STAMPS FOOT)
846
00:38:25,625 --> 00:38:28,709
(VOICE BREAKING) I hadn't even
been on the streets two years.
847
00:38:30,834 --> 00:38:33,852
So, the experiences
you guys have,
848
00:38:33,875 --> 00:38:36,686
ball games, concerts, things,
849
00:38:36,709 --> 00:38:38,667
I don't have that.
850
00:38:39,792 --> 00:38:42,410
(TAPPING FEET)
MAN: It's all right.
851
00:38:43,125 --> 00:38:44,500
It's all good.
852
00:38:50,875 --> 00:38:53,852
MADELEINE: Yeah, and putting it
all into a story, does it make...
853
00:38:53,875 --> 00:38:55,852
It just kind of
ties things together
854
00:38:55,875 --> 00:38:58,227
in a different way, maybe?
855
00:38:58,250 --> 00:38:59,875
It just seems like...
856
00:39:02,830 --> 00:39:05,394
To be real, my whole
life has been pathetic.
857
00:39:05,417 --> 00:39:07,709
I mean, when you look at it.
It's just been...
858
00:39:08,792 --> 00:39:10,477
from childhood,
859
00:39:10,500 --> 00:39:13,394
my adolescence, and Juvie, and
boys' school and everything,
860
00:39:13,417 --> 00:39:17,227
and then, I just...
I just could never
861
00:39:17,250 --> 00:39:19,600
stop screwing up.
862
00:39:19,830 --> 00:39:21,394
Once I, you know, the life I had
863
00:39:21,417 --> 00:39:24,686
as a child, it just led
me to be dysfunctional.
864
00:39:24,709 --> 00:39:27,875
And even when I had
a good foster home...
865
00:39:30,830 --> 00:39:32,830
(VOICE BREAKING)
And they're with me today,
866
00:39:33,458 --> 00:39:35,180
I just screwed it up.
867
00:39:35,410 --> 00:39:37,227
MADELEINE: Is that how it
sounded to everybody else?
868
00:39:37,250 --> 00:39:38,602
I mean, were you thinking...
869
00:39:38,625 --> 00:39:40,435
pathetic when you
heard the story?
870
00:39:40,458 --> 00:39:42,936
No, no.
MADELEINE: I didn't.
871
00:39:42,959 --> 00:39:44,644
I thought it was.
872
00:39:44,667 --> 00:39:47,769
MADELEINE: I don't think that's
how other people heard it.
873
00:39:47,792 --> 00:39:48,959
FRANKLIN: Yeah.
874
00:39:55,291 --> 00:39:56,500
You know what I'm saying?
875
00:40:13,291 --> 00:40:14,727
MAN: Yeah.
876
00:40:14,750 --> 00:40:16,625
(CLIFF SPEAKING)
877
00:40:43,333 --> 00:40:46,310
CLIFF: I realized that I needed
help, and I started trying to go
878
00:40:46,333 --> 00:40:49,180
to church and trying to...
879
00:40:49,410 --> 00:40:52,435
reach back to what
I thought might help
880
00:40:52,458 --> 00:40:54,625
shake this drug habit.
881
00:40:55,834 --> 00:40:58,143
I started weaning
myself a little bit,
882
00:40:58,166 --> 00:41:00,852
enough to get a job, hold a job.
883
00:41:00,875 --> 00:41:04,686
I saved up some money
and got another place.
884
00:41:04,709 --> 00:41:07,185
So, we moved out, but then...
885
00:41:07,208 --> 00:41:09,394
I started doing drugs again.
886
00:41:09,417 --> 00:41:12,600
This one night in particular,
887
00:41:12,830 --> 00:41:13,644
I don't remember much,
888
00:41:13,667 --> 00:41:15,727
I don't remember much
at that time, but...
889
00:41:15,750 --> 00:41:17,394
we got an ounce of cocaine,
890
00:41:17,417 --> 00:41:21,185
and we're just gonna sit
there and smoke it, and...
891
00:41:21,208 --> 00:41:22,435
After about a couple hours,
892
00:41:22,458 --> 00:41:24,180
I get up to go use the bathroom.
893
00:41:24,410 --> 00:41:27,435
And as I'm walking
upstairs, the room
894
00:41:27,458 --> 00:41:29,352
just started getting real dark.
895
00:41:29,375 --> 00:41:30,852
(LIGHTBULB BUZZING)
896
00:41:30,875 --> 00:41:33,600
My lungs felt like
they were froze.
897
00:41:33,830 --> 00:41:34,394
(BUZZING DEEPENS)
898
00:41:34,417 --> 00:41:37,352
As I got to the top of
the steps, I'm only seeing
899
00:41:37,375 --> 00:41:39,560
through like a small pipe.
900
00:41:39,583 --> 00:41:41,977
(GASPING)
And I thought I was gonna die.
901
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:44,894
(MUSIC PLAYING)
902
00:41:44,917 --> 00:41:46,394
I couldn't speak,
903
00:41:46,417 --> 00:41:48,852
but in my mind, I was
making a deal with God.
904
00:41:48,875 --> 00:41:51,936
And I was like,
"God, don't let me die.
905
00:41:51,959 --> 00:41:53,917
If you save me, I'll stop."
906
00:41:54,959 --> 00:41:57,519
And as soon as that thought
907
00:41:57,542 --> 00:41:59,477
went through my mind,
908
00:41:59,500 --> 00:42:01,310
my vision came back.
909
00:42:01,333 --> 00:42:03,644
My breathing was normal.
910
00:42:03,667 --> 00:42:05,560
I went back downstairs,
911
00:42:05,583 --> 00:42:07,750
and started smoking again.
912
00:42:11,250 --> 00:42:12,686
And three days later
913
00:42:12,709 --> 00:42:14,458
is when I caught my case.
914
00:42:14,792 --> 00:42:17,250
Were you high when
you caught this case?
915
00:42:18,458 --> 00:42:19,792
Yeah.
916
00:42:21,250 --> 00:42:24,185
I knew that me selling dope,
917
00:42:24,208 --> 00:42:26,600
I could be robbed.
918
00:42:26,830 --> 00:42:29,180
Me selling dope,
I could be killed.
919
00:42:29,410 --> 00:42:32,352
Me selling dope,
I could be pistol-whipped.
920
00:42:32,375 --> 00:42:34,936
I could be jumped.
921
00:42:34,959 --> 00:42:37,936
You know, you know
this getting into it.
922
00:42:37,959 --> 00:42:39,394
And if you don't know it,
923
00:42:39,417 --> 00:42:41,959
you will find out soon,
real quick.
924
00:42:42,542 --> 00:42:44,811
You know, I hated it,
925
00:42:44,834 --> 00:42:46,834
that some of my guys died,
926
00:42:47,375 --> 00:42:49,667
but I knew the game.
927
00:42:50,830 --> 00:42:51,894
MAN: When you think about
your whole life story,
928
00:42:51,917 --> 00:42:54,727
if you can give it a title,
929
00:42:54,750 --> 00:42:57,000
what would it be and why?
930
00:42:57,625 --> 00:42:58,959
Oh.
931
00:43:00,125 --> 00:43:02,852
The title would probably be,
932
00:43:02,875 --> 00:43:04,268
"What if?"
933
00:43:04,291 --> 00:43:07,936
(MUSIC PLAYING)
934
00:43:07,959 --> 00:43:11,644
What if I wouldn't have
grew up in Memphis?
935
00:43:11,667 --> 00:43:14,686
Would that have led me to here?
936
00:43:14,709 --> 00:43:17,143
If I wouldn't have
started selling dope,
937
00:43:17,166 --> 00:43:19,310
would I stay in the street life,
938
00:43:19,333 --> 00:43:21,977
or would I not?
939
00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:25,166
Would I still be out on the
streets, or would I be dead?
940
00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:32,125
(BELL RINGING)
941
00:43:34,250 --> 00:43:36,310
(INDISTINCT CHATTER)
942
00:43:36,333 --> 00:43:37,811
FRANKLIN: Do you
think there's, like,
943
00:43:37,834 --> 00:43:40,310
anywhere in life
944
00:43:40,333 --> 00:43:42,310
while you still living
the street life that
945
00:43:42,333 --> 00:43:45,500
your mentality could've got
put back on the right track?
946
00:43:46,667 --> 00:43:49,834
I think there was plenty
of opportunities. Yeah.
947
00:43:51,208 --> 00:43:53,519
Some I seen,
948
00:43:53,542 --> 00:43:55,667
and I didn't take.
949
00:43:56,625 --> 00:43:58,875
Some I seen in hindsight.
950
00:44:00,250 --> 00:44:02,686
Before I went out
the door one day,
951
00:44:02,709 --> 00:44:06,811
my mother said, "Come and sit here.
Sit at the kitchen table."
952
00:44:06,834 --> 00:44:10,180
And she said,
"Lemme show you something."
953
00:44:10,410 --> 00:44:11,977
(MUSIC PLAYING)
954
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:14,560
She had the paperwork,
and she said, "Look,
955
00:44:14,583 --> 00:44:17,185
this is your own business."
You know what I'm saying?
956
00:44:17,208 --> 00:44:19,435
"All you gonna have to
do is sign right here,
957
00:44:19,458 --> 00:44:21,811
"and I'ma call,
get all the contracts,
958
00:44:21,834 --> 00:44:24,268
"do all the negotiations,
make all the bids,
959
00:44:24,291 --> 00:44:25,644
woo woo." You feel me?
960
00:44:25,667 --> 00:44:27,185
So, this is how,
961
00:44:27,208 --> 00:44:29,852
with my mother's help,
I started a cleaning service.
962
00:44:29,875 --> 00:44:33,417
And I was working for a while.
963
00:44:35,917 --> 00:44:37,936
After we did all
the invoicing and everything,
964
00:44:37,959 --> 00:44:39,894
you know what I'm saying,
we got the money back.
965
00:44:39,917 --> 00:44:43,644
You know, had to pay rent.
Had to pay for the chemicals.
966
00:44:43,667 --> 00:44:45,227
Had to pay on the van.
967
00:44:45,250 --> 00:44:46,936
You know what I'm saying? I was like...
Yeah.
968
00:44:46,959 --> 00:44:50,143
I'm used to having four or
5,000 dollars in my pocket,
969
00:44:50,166 --> 00:44:53,143
and I could do whatever I want
with it, you feel me? (LAUGHING)
970
00:44:53,166 --> 00:44:55,102
I ain't gotta be doing
all the scrubbing
971
00:44:55,125 --> 00:44:58,644
no tubs and no floors and walls
and all this vacuuming.
972
00:44:58,667 --> 00:45:00,143
(LAUGHING)
And like,
973
00:45:00,166 --> 00:45:03,644
one day, she said,
"I see it in you.
974
00:45:03,667 --> 00:45:05,291
You fixin' to quit."
975
00:45:06,830 --> 00:45:08,227
I knew the streets
wasn't healthy,
976
00:45:08,250 --> 00:45:10,394
and my intentions wasn't
to stay in the street,
977
00:45:10,417 --> 00:45:11,519
you know what I'm saying?
978
00:45:11,542 --> 00:45:13,894
You know, truly,
I should've just
979
00:45:13,917 --> 00:45:15,542
worked hard
and stayed on the job.
980
00:45:16,830 --> 00:45:18,352
I just couldn't see
far enough ahead,
981
00:45:18,375 --> 00:45:20,750
you know what I'm saying, and
I didn't have enough patience.
982
00:45:21,458 --> 00:45:23,227
You could be so busy
looking at what you see,
983
00:45:23,250 --> 00:45:25,644
that you don't see
what you looking at.
984
00:45:25,667 --> 00:45:27,435
(THUNDER RUMBLES)
985
00:45:27,458 --> 00:45:30,310
FRANKLIN: I was called for some
friends to buy some drugs from me,
986
00:45:30,333 --> 00:45:33,792
but that wasn't they plan.
They plan was to rob me.
987
00:45:34,291 --> 00:45:36,310
He drew his weapon,
988
00:45:36,333 --> 00:45:39,435
and, me being the idiot,
989
00:45:39,458 --> 00:45:42,310
I lunged for the gun.
990
00:45:42,333 --> 00:45:43,977
Then somebody else...
(GUNSHOTS)
991
00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:46,477
(GRUNTS) -...popped a gun
and shoot me in the back.
992
00:45:46,500 --> 00:45:47,811
(YELLING)
993
00:45:47,834 --> 00:45:49,769
When you're young, you think
you're invincible anyway.
994
00:45:49,792 --> 00:45:52,834
You feel me? I'm like, man,
I don't see what's gonna happen.
995
00:45:53,625 --> 00:45:56,811
Once they start giving out so
much time for selling dope,
996
00:45:56,834 --> 00:45:57,852
we said, all right.
997
00:45:57,875 --> 00:45:59,268
We'd rather rob the dough boy
998
00:45:59,291 --> 00:46:00,977
and take the chance
of getting six to 20,
999
00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:04,644
or catching a pistol case
on the way to a robbery.
1000
00:46:04,667 --> 00:46:06,686
We was actually
cutting your alarm off,
1001
00:46:06,709 --> 00:46:08,394
climbing in your window,
1002
00:46:08,417 --> 00:46:10,727
wake you up.
"Where that safe at?
1003
00:46:10,750 --> 00:46:12,180
Come on with
that money."
1004
00:46:12,410 --> 00:46:15,519
I used to pray before
we went on robberies.
1005
00:46:15,542 --> 00:46:17,792
I used to pray that
nobody gets hurt.
1006
00:46:19,667 --> 00:46:21,560
I was in the hospital
for a few days.
1007
00:46:21,583 --> 00:46:22,977
The nurse come in.
She was like,
1008
00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:25,602
"Boy, you is
extremely lucky."
1009
00:46:25,625 --> 00:46:27,143
(BEEPING)
She was looking at the MRI.
1010
00:46:27,166 --> 00:46:28,936
"Everybody don't make it
through this type of shit,
1011
00:46:28,959 --> 00:46:32,143
so there's something here for
you, and you have to find it."
1012
00:46:32,166 --> 00:46:34,352
(THUNDER RUMBLING)
But at the time, I'm like,
1013
00:46:34,375 --> 00:46:37,435
(MUMBLING)
"Okay, whatever, lady."
1014
00:46:37,458 --> 00:46:39,185
All I was thinking about, like,
1015
00:46:39,208 --> 00:46:41,811
this, you know, son of a bitch,
1016
00:46:41,834 --> 00:46:45,180
I'm gonna kill him, you know,
and everybody else in the house.
1017
00:46:45,410 --> 00:46:48,166
(MUSIC PLAYING)
1018
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:53,686
CLIFF: Did you get
revenge on the guy?
1019
00:46:53,709 --> 00:46:56,394
Yeah, I... well, yeah.
That's why I'm locked up now,
1020
00:46:56,417 --> 00:47:00,410
'cause I ended up killing him.
1021
00:47:01,709 --> 00:47:04,600
How much time did
the judge give you?
1022
00:47:04,830 --> 00:47:05,519
Forty-five years.
1023
00:47:05,542 --> 00:47:07,208
Forty-five?
Yeah.
1024
00:47:09,250 --> 00:47:11,977
(INDISTINCT CHATTER)
1025
00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:13,352
What would you do?
1026
00:47:13,375 --> 00:47:16,644
What would you do if somebody
put a gun to your head?
1027
00:47:16,667 --> 00:47:18,602
I'm here because somebody
1028
00:47:18,625 --> 00:47:20,686
put a gun to me and my son.
1029
00:47:20,709 --> 00:47:23,560
FRANKLIN: But that's like you
not taking responsibility
1030
00:47:23,583 --> 00:47:24,894
for your actions though.
1031
00:47:24,917 --> 00:47:26,852
We don't never
wanna portray that.
1032
00:47:26,875 --> 00:47:28,180
To society, you're gonna say,
1033
00:47:28,410 --> 00:47:29,727
I have dealt with
the same stuff,
1034
00:47:29,750 --> 00:47:32,852
and I've overcame it. I have not
did this, I have not did that.
1035
00:47:32,875 --> 00:47:35,644
My brother did the same thing. He did
six years, got out and never came back.
1036
00:47:35,667 --> 00:47:38,143
So, some guys come
back all the time.
1037
00:47:38,166 --> 00:47:39,352
(INDISTINCT CHATTER)
1038
00:47:39,375 --> 00:47:42,519
The plot is why?
Why? Why did you
1039
00:47:42,542 --> 00:47:43,894
just wanna kill somebody?
1040
00:47:43,917 --> 00:47:46,477
Why did you get in
the situation to where
1041
00:47:46,500 --> 00:47:48,727
you felt like you needed
to kill your folks?
1042
00:47:48,750 --> 00:47:51,936
DENNIS: Then we just focus it on
us and not on the bigger thing.
1043
00:47:51,959 --> 00:47:55,644
CLIFF: I think whole thing
boils down to the ability
1044
00:47:55,667 --> 00:47:59,102
to make you think about self,
to make you relate.
1045
00:47:59,125 --> 00:48:01,180
But then I think the uniqueness
1046
00:48:01,410 --> 00:48:04,769
of this project is that all of
us come from different places,
1047
00:48:04,792 --> 00:48:06,936
but our stories are so similar,
1048
00:48:06,959 --> 00:48:10,602
and the...
the uniting threads
1049
00:48:10,625 --> 00:48:12,894
of all of our stories is
1050
00:48:12,917 --> 00:48:15,143
one or two things,
you know what I mean?
1051
00:48:15,166 --> 00:48:18,686
I think that's essential,
to not just look at
1052
00:48:18,709 --> 00:48:20,352
my family abused me,
1053
00:48:20,375 --> 00:48:22,352
or I had a drug problem,
1054
00:48:22,375 --> 00:48:24,977
but looking deeper. Why?
1055
00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:29,830
And then as you start
sorting out those thoughts,
1056
00:48:29,500 --> 00:48:31,977
then you start coming
to some bedrock.
1057
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:35,769
Some real
fundamental... footing.
1058
00:48:35,792 --> 00:48:38,519
Am I discovering myself?
1059
00:48:38,542 --> 00:48:41,644
And the most profound
thing that I heard
1060
00:48:41,667 --> 00:48:44,875
during this project was
when Franko said that
1061
00:48:45,500 --> 00:48:47,352
he went into the street life
1062
00:48:47,375 --> 00:48:49,959
before he even come
to know his self.
1063
00:48:51,417 --> 00:48:55,310
And I think that right
there is the apex
1064
00:48:55,333 --> 00:48:57,686
of all of our situations.
1065
00:48:57,709 --> 00:49:00,686
(MUSIC PLAYING)
1066
00:49:00,709 --> 00:49:02,143
I did five years of lockup,
1067
00:49:02,166 --> 00:49:04,875
three and a half
of it in isolation.
1068
00:49:05,375 --> 00:49:08,185
You know, I was in
a small cell, solid door.
1069
00:49:08,208 --> 00:49:11,602
Really limited
contact with anybody.
1070
00:49:11,625 --> 00:49:14,185
But a friend of
mine two doors down,
1071
00:49:14,208 --> 00:49:16,602
he was telling me
about these birds
1072
00:49:16,625 --> 00:49:19,435
that had built
a nest in his window.
1073
00:49:19,458 --> 00:49:22,769
I was like, "Man, I wish some
birds would nest in my window."
1074
00:49:22,792 --> 00:49:25,268
You know what I mean?
1075
00:49:25,291 --> 00:49:28,811
The next spring, they came
and nested in my window.
1076
00:49:28,834 --> 00:49:30,917
(COOING)
Some turtledoves.
1077
00:49:32,410 --> 00:49:35,686
Turtledoves, they raise
their kids together.
1078
00:49:35,709 --> 00:49:37,180
And every morning,
1079
00:49:37,410 --> 00:49:39,727
like clockwork,
the father bird would sing.
1080
00:49:39,750 --> 00:49:42,000
(COOING) - And that's what
woke me up every morning.
1081
00:49:44,417 --> 00:49:45,894
But then, I'm brushing my teeth,
1082
00:49:45,917 --> 00:49:49,143
and I hear wings against my window.
(BIRD CHIRPING)
1083
00:49:49,166 --> 00:49:52,686
Hey!
And when I came up, I seen the hawk
1084
00:49:52,709 --> 00:49:54,894
reach in there
and snatch the baby bird.
1085
00:49:54,917 --> 00:49:56,352
(HAWK SCREECHES)
1086
00:49:56,375 --> 00:49:58,686
And I think it's
the following day,
1087
00:49:58,709 --> 00:50:01,686
that fucking hawk reached in
there and grabbed the mom.
1088
00:50:01,709 --> 00:50:05,102
(TWEETING, WINGS FLUTTERING)
1089
00:50:05,125 --> 00:50:08,769
And every night and every
morning, that father bird came
1090
00:50:08,792 --> 00:50:10,560
to the nest and he would sing,
1091
00:50:10,583 --> 00:50:13,644
and it was just the most
horrible, sad...
1092
00:50:13,667 --> 00:50:16,102
It was like a mourning...
1093
00:50:16,125 --> 00:50:18,600
a mourning song that he sung.
1094
00:50:18,830 --> 00:50:22,602
(COOING)
1095
00:50:22,625 --> 00:50:26,875
FRANKLIN: Do you see yourself as
the father bird or the baby bird?
1096
00:50:28,333 --> 00:50:31,560
CLIFF: I guess see
myself in both.
1097
00:50:31,583 --> 00:50:32,709
FRANKLIN: Okay.
1098
00:50:33,959 --> 00:50:35,686
Are you a husband?
1099
00:50:35,709 --> 00:50:37,727
No, I'm divorced.
1100
00:50:37,750 --> 00:50:39,477
Okay, are you a father?
Yeah.
1101
00:50:39,500 --> 00:50:41,477
You feel like you a good father?
1102
00:50:41,500 --> 00:50:43,977
No.
No? Why is that?
1103
00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:46,959
'Cause I'm in prison.
Is that the only reason?
1104
00:50:48,375 --> 00:50:50,519
My youngest daughter,
1105
00:50:50,542 --> 00:50:53,352
we were talking on the phone
periodically,
1106
00:50:53,375 --> 00:50:57,227
and she come down and seen me
a few times, but then,
1107
00:50:57,250 --> 00:50:59,268
one day, she just looked
at me and she said,
1108
00:50:59,291 --> 00:51:01,417
"Why did you abandon me?"
1109
00:51:02,667 --> 00:51:06,560
Her reaction made me realize,
in that instant,
1110
00:51:06,583 --> 00:51:08,834
how much of a piece of crap
I turned out to be.
1111
00:51:10,125 --> 00:51:11,769
Do you believe though,
1112
00:51:11,792 --> 00:51:14,602
being that you know
how you were living,
1113
00:51:14,625 --> 00:51:18,792
do you believe your kids
were better off without you?
1114
00:51:22,208 --> 00:51:24,936
Yeah. (SIGHS)
1115
00:51:24,959 --> 00:51:26,291
Yeah...
1116
00:51:28,875 --> 00:51:31,102
My actions bringing that to...
1117
00:51:31,125 --> 00:51:35,644
bringing that to the doorstep
of my family, I can't...
1118
00:51:35,667 --> 00:51:39,500
Yeah, they're better off.
They're better off.
1119
00:51:41,625 --> 00:51:43,435
And we didn't feel
none of that back then.
1120
00:51:43,458 --> 00:51:44,852
It's like Franko
was talking about,
1121
00:51:44,875 --> 00:51:46,310
we just couldn't
get it back then.
1122
00:51:46,333 --> 00:51:47,769
We were just living,
you know what I mean?
1123
00:51:47,792 --> 00:51:50,143
We wrapped up in dope
and drinking lifestyle
1124
00:51:50,166 --> 00:51:51,977
on the streets.
1125
00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:53,792
Now, we do get it.
1126
00:51:55,375 --> 00:51:57,834
It's a hard truth, ain't it?
Yeah.
1127
00:52:03,959 --> 00:52:06,477
(SCRIBBLING)
1128
00:52:06,500 --> 00:52:09,667
(MUSIC PLAYING)
1129
00:52:32,250 --> 00:52:34,875
(GATE RATTLES, SLAMS)
1130
00:52:41,375 --> 00:52:44,410
(GATE RATTLES, SLAMS)
1131
00:52:46,250 --> 00:52:49,375
(INDISTINCT CHATTER)
1132
00:52:54,250 --> 00:52:56,375
(INDISTINCT CHATTER)
1133
00:52:58,417 --> 00:53:00,830
(CHATTER CONTINUES)
1134
00:53:06,291 --> 00:53:09,583
(INDISTINCT CHATTER)
1135
00:53:11,375 --> 00:53:13,644
(PHONE RINGING)
1136
00:53:13,667 --> 00:53:15,602
MADELEINE: (OVER PHONE) This is Madeleine.
WOMAN: Hey, Madeleine.
1137
00:53:15,625 --> 00:53:17,686
(MEN CHEERING)
MADELEINE: Hey, you guys.
1138
00:53:17,709 --> 00:53:19,602
Are you excited
to film some more?
1139
00:53:19,625 --> 00:53:21,894
Yeah.
Yeah, what are we doing?
1140
00:53:21,917 --> 00:53:24,435
MADELEINE: I'm gonna be
bringing a rough cut
1141
00:53:24,458 --> 00:53:26,769
to show you guys on Monday.
Awesome.
1142
00:53:26,792 --> 00:53:28,560
MADELEINE: It's about
two-thirds of the movie,
1143
00:53:28,583 --> 00:53:33,102
so I set aside three days to do
a final shoot. INMATE: Cool.
1144
00:53:33,125 --> 00:53:35,435
So you guys
can watch the cut so far,
1145
00:53:35,458 --> 00:53:37,769
and you're gonna give me
all of your notes,
1146
00:53:37,792 --> 00:53:40,811
and then figure out what you wanna
do together for the ending.
1147
00:53:40,834 --> 00:53:46,727
(INMATES SPEAKING
INDISTINCTLY OVER PHONE)
1148
00:53:46,750 --> 00:53:48,727
INMATE: (OVER PHONE)
Bring my director's outfit then.
1149
00:53:48,750 --> 00:53:51,519
MADELEINE: So, okay, so I'll
see you all in a couple days.
1150
00:53:51,542 --> 00:53:54,602
INMATES: All right. All right.
Yeah. Awesome. Bye bye!
1151
00:53:54,625 --> 00:53:56,435
Later!
Take care of yourself, Madeleine.
1152
00:53:56,458 --> 00:53:59,102
Be safe!
You guys have a good trip.
1153
00:53:59,125 --> 00:54:01,560
(BEEPS)
1154
00:54:01,583 --> 00:54:03,602
MAN 1: That's crazy.
MAN 2: Great job!
1155
00:54:03,625 --> 00:54:04,769
(CLAPPING)
1156
00:54:04,792 --> 00:54:07,769
That was intense.
There wasn't an ending.
1157
00:54:07,792 --> 00:54:09,143
MAN 3: Yeah, it's not done.
1158
00:54:09,166 --> 00:54:10,602
MADELEINE: What do you guys think?
I liked it.
1159
00:54:10,625 --> 00:54:15,310
MADELEINE: Tell me your
overarching reactions.
1160
00:54:15,333 --> 00:54:18,600
MAN 4: It's a great story...
I'll go first.
1161
00:54:18,830 --> 00:54:20,600
I just wanna be able
to look at everybody...
1162
00:54:20,830 --> 00:54:22,600
'Cause it's more hard
when I'm cranking this way
1163
00:54:22,830 --> 00:54:24,560
and that way trying
to see everybody.
1164
00:54:24,583 --> 00:54:26,600
I got a few notes here.
1165
00:54:26,830 --> 00:54:28,185
One of them is,
I actually felt like
1166
00:54:28,208 --> 00:54:31,811
there was some of that
classroom stuff that just...
1167
00:54:31,834 --> 00:54:33,227
seemed frivolous. That like...
1168
00:54:33,250 --> 00:54:35,180
Like it really didn't
belong. It was just,
1169
00:54:35,410 --> 00:54:37,458
added...
FRANKLIN: Which parts?
1170
00:54:38,458 --> 00:54:40,185
I can't really put
my finger on it.
1171
00:54:40,208 --> 00:54:42,477
We was just talking.
We weren't really
1172
00:54:42,500 --> 00:54:44,600
getting at anything.
1173
00:54:44,830 --> 00:54:45,519
Then, um,
1174
00:54:45,542 --> 00:54:47,310
I didn't like the sound
of my voice there.
1175
00:54:47,333 --> 00:54:49,600
(LAUGHTER) - You know, I
could tell Franko's voice.
1176
00:54:49,830 --> 00:54:51,600
I could tell Quintes.
I could tell everybody's voice,
1177
00:54:51,830 --> 00:54:54,102
and I'm like, "Why does my
voice sound so weird?" What?
1178
00:54:54,125 --> 00:54:56,644
(LAUGHTER) - You know? My voice
don't even sound like me.
1179
00:54:56,667 --> 00:54:58,180
MADELEINE:
When you're hearing that?
1180
00:54:58,410 --> 00:55:00,560
Yeah. But, I mean,
everybody sounded so...
1181
00:55:00,583 --> 00:55:02,352
MAN: You're not used to
hearing your own voice.
1182
00:55:02,375 --> 00:55:04,185
DENNIS: Who the fuck is that?
1183
00:55:04,208 --> 00:55:05,852
(LAUGHTER)
And then...
1184
00:55:05,875 --> 00:55:08,180
the scene when we was talking
about how everybody's story
1185
00:55:08,410 --> 00:55:10,102
is different, and yet,
we all ended up here.
1186
00:55:10,125 --> 00:55:11,727
I was glad to see that.
1187
00:55:11,750 --> 00:55:14,686
So, who's watching it? Maybe a
teenager's watching it, you know,
1188
00:55:14,709 --> 00:55:16,811
and maybe that, you know,
will have an impact on him.
1189
00:55:16,834 --> 00:55:20,477
So, I mean, those are the notes
I took from it so far, so...
1190
00:55:20,500 --> 00:55:23,227
(INDISTINCT CHATTERING)
1191
00:55:23,250 --> 00:55:26,519
I got, like, very specific on
what I liked and didn't like.
1192
00:55:26,542 --> 00:55:28,185
Like, the part where
1193
00:55:28,208 --> 00:55:30,602
Quintes' cousin disappeared,
1194
00:55:30,625 --> 00:55:34,185
in the animation, I would
like to have the cousins'...
1195
00:55:34,208 --> 00:55:37,394
outfits turn into
county jumpsuits
1196
00:55:37,417 --> 00:55:40,227
before they disappear. And, uh,
1197
00:55:40,250 --> 00:55:43,977
where it was talking about Shawn
as the kid on the big wheel,
1198
00:55:44,000 --> 00:55:46,227
I was thinking
we could make him, like,
1199
00:55:46,250 --> 00:55:49,811
a real big kid on
a small big wheel.
1200
00:55:49,834 --> 00:55:53,560
He's definitely too big for
the big wheel. (LAUGHTER)
1201
00:55:53,583 --> 00:55:56,560
The Benz, that sound,
that wasn't a Benz.
1202
00:55:56,583 --> 00:55:59,977
(LAUGHING) - That was... more
like a Honda or something.
1203
00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:03,291
(INDISTINCT) - Yeah, so,
that wasn't no Benz.
1204
00:56:04,500 --> 00:56:07,852
I'll... What I do like
is the fact that I see...
1205
00:56:07,875 --> 00:56:10,560
That ain't what he asked you.
I know. Let...
1206
00:56:10,583 --> 00:56:12,936
You get to do all the talking,
you ain't gonna let me answer
1207
00:56:12,959 --> 00:56:16,394
my question the way I want to?
(LAUGHTER)
1208
00:56:16,417 --> 00:56:19,644
So, but what I do
like that's different
1209
00:56:19,667 --> 00:56:22,268
from the rest is the part
that there are men
1210
00:56:22,291 --> 00:56:24,102
in prison doing
their own documentary.
1211
00:56:24,125 --> 00:56:26,936
Mmm. I thought those were some
of the most exciting parts.
1212
00:56:26,959 --> 00:56:29,602
Just to hear y'all dialogue
outside of, you know,
1213
00:56:29,625 --> 00:56:32,602
the real moments of Q&A.
MAN: Mm-hmm.
1214
00:56:32,625 --> 00:56:34,936
Um... Thought that was cool.
1215
00:56:34,959 --> 00:56:38,268
When he's, you know, Dennis got
emotional and stuff, I think that was
1216
00:56:38,291 --> 00:56:40,227
a strong part of the movie, right?
MAN: Yeah.
1217
00:56:40,250 --> 00:56:41,936
It made him look like himself.
I see he was like,
1218
00:56:41,959 --> 00:56:44,435
man, I ain't telling
nobody else's story again.
1219
00:56:44,458 --> 00:56:47,102
I ain't like the feel of that.
1220
00:56:47,125 --> 00:56:49,227
Because of the results of me...
1221
00:56:49,250 --> 00:56:52,102
of when I told the story,
how he got emotional,
1222
00:56:52,125 --> 00:56:53,602
and flashed back,
you know what I'm saying?
1223
00:56:53,625 --> 00:56:55,769
Went through
the motions and whatnot.
1224
00:56:55,792 --> 00:56:57,852
You know what I'm saying?
That's why I was telling him
1225
00:56:57,875 --> 00:56:59,602
that I'm not telling
nobody else's story.
1226
00:56:59,625 --> 00:57:03,250
MADELEINE: But why? What was
wrong with it that you felt...
1227
00:57:03,834 --> 00:57:06,792
It was just too emotional.
MAN: For you, too?
1228
00:57:09,166 --> 00:57:11,394
Well, it had an effect on me,
you know what I'm saying?
1229
00:57:11,417 --> 00:57:13,519
To see him go through that.
1230
00:57:13,542 --> 00:57:14,977
Relive that,
you know what I mean?
1231
00:57:15,000 --> 00:57:18,143
I mean, I get it.
I mean, I wouldn't...
1232
00:57:18,166 --> 00:57:19,519
I wouldn't wanna...
1233
00:57:19,542 --> 00:57:22,560
do that either, if the shoe
was on the other foot.
1234
00:57:22,583 --> 00:57:24,352
I wouldn't wanna...
1235
00:57:24,375 --> 00:57:27,686
I thought that was kind of
something we can grow with.
1236
00:57:27,709 --> 00:57:30,602
Like, you know,
how uncomfortable it is
1237
00:57:30,625 --> 00:57:33,477
for the storyteller
telling somebody else's story...
1238
00:57:33,500 --> 00:57:35,686
The facts. Where are we going
with the ending? Where...
1239
00:57:35,709 --> 00:57:37,977
MAN: That's what we're
here for now, to do this.
1240
00:57:38,000 --> 00:57:39,644
Yeah, where are we going?
Yeah, where you...
1241
00:57:39,667 --> 00:57:41,917
How to deal with the crimes?
1242
00:57:42,410 --> 00:57:45,268
DENNIS: The crime itself?
QUENTIS: Is that where y'all see it going?
1243
00:57:45,291 --> 00:57:46,852
I think that's really
where it has to go
1244
00:57:46,875 --> 00:57:48,917
in order for it to
really make sense.
1245
00:57:49,875 --> 00:57:51,644
You gonna have to.
1246
00:57:51,667 --> 00:57:54,410
(MUSIC PLAYING)
1247
00:57:57,375 --> 00:57:59,180
DENNIS: There are times
when I feel like, man,
1248
00:57:59,410 --> 00:58:01,560
I don't know that
I even wanna be here.
1249
00:58:01,583 --> 00:58:03,477
You know, in the group.
You know, I'm like,
1250
00:58:03,500 --> 00:58:05,875
man, I just don't
know if that's for me.
1251
00:58:07,208 --> 00:58:09,000
Yeah.
MADELEINE: What do you think now?
1252
00:58:10,458 --> 00:58:11,519
DENNIS: I mean...
1253
00:58:11,542 --> 00:58:13,185
I wanna see the finished cut.
1254
00:58:13,208 --> 00:58:15,560
You know, I wanna see
it through. You know.
1255
00:58:15,583 --> 00:58:18,102
I don't wanna be a quitter,
that's how I feel right now.
1256
00:58:18,125 --> 00:58:20,811
I wanna see it through.
I wanna see the end of it.
1257
00:58:20,834 --> 00:58:23,600
(MUSIC PLAYING)
1258
00:58:23,830 --> 00:58:25,410
(INDISTINCT CHATTERING)
1259
00:58:28,410 --> 00:58:31,410
(CHATTERING CONTINUING)
1260
00:58:33,834 --> 00:58:36,830
MAN: Got it, Franko?
FRANKLIN: Yeah.
1261
00:58:37,583 --> 00:58:39,227
All right, it says recording.
1262
00:58:39,250 --> 00:58:41,125
INTERVIEWER: What'd you
think about yesterday?
1263
00:58:41,750 --> 00:58:44,125
QUENTIS: I went back out.
I meditated on it...
1264
00:58:46,458 --> 00:58:49,180
The climax...
1265
00:58:49,410 --> 00:58:50,394
the ending...
1266
00:58:50,417 --> 00:58:53,102
what's the last thought that
1267
00:58:53,125 --> 00:58:56,583
we wanna convey
to our audience? I see...
1268
00:58:58,417 --> 00:59:01,625
the opportunity for us...
1269
00:59:03,583 --> 00:59:06,750
to talk about the elephant in the room.
Mm-hmm.
1270
00:59:08,625 --> 00:59:12,102
Given that you have
the victims in this situation,
1271
00:59:12,125 --> 00:59:13,769
how do you feel about
1272
00:59:13,792 --> 00:59:16,894
actually explaining that,
or even showing
1273
00:59:16,917 --> 00:59:20,458
the incident, the vile
incident, that took place?
1274
00:59:22,625 --> 00:59:23,477
Uh...
1275
00:59:23,500 --> 00:59:25,600
(MUSIC PLAYING)
1276
00:59:25,830 --> 00:59:26,644
You know, the victim's mother,
1277
00:59:26,667 --> 00:59:29,583
she's been missing her baby
1278
00:59:30,333 --> 00:59:31,811
since day one.
1279
00:59:31,834 --> 00:59:34,519
This was a close friend of yours?
Right.
1280
00:59:34,542 --> 00:59:36,394
I know his mother was
shocked, you know,
1281
00:59:36,417 --> 00:59:39,410
'cause me and the dude was
together like every day.
1282
00:59:39,583 --> 00:59:42,792
And drugs caused best
friends to become enemies.
1283
00:59:43,250 --> 00:59:46,394
And to see it, I think that would
torment and cause them pain.
1284
00:59:46,417 --> 00:59:49,529
Are they reliving that
pain all over again?
1285
00:59:49,541 --> 00:59:51,811
So, you wouldn't wanna show it?
1286
00:59:51,834 --> 00:59:54,644
No, I didn't say I didn't
wanna show it, but...
1287
00:59:54,667 --> 00:59:56,333
Why?
1288
00:59:57,166 --> 01:00:00,227
I feel like if I was
to share my story,
1289
01:00:00,250 --> 01:00:02,143
would this prevent somebody else
1290
01:00:02,166 --> 01:00:04,811
from committing violence?
1291
01:00:04,834 --> 01:00:07,727
QUENTIS: Would you show the whole
situation, how it unfolded?
1292
01:00:07,750 --> 01:00:09,644
MAN: You would have to.
1293
01:00:09,667 --> 01:00:10,936
DENNIS: No, I don't
think you would.
1294
01:00:10,959 --> 01:00:12,268
Just how did
the violence come about.
1295
01:00:12,291 --> 01:00:13,602
MAN: I don't wanna assume
1296
01:00:13,625 --> 01:00:15,602
what may have happened here.
I wanna see it all.
1297
01:00:15,625 --> 01:00:17,352
I wanna know how you
got from here to here.
1298
01:00:17,375 --> 01:00:18,917
Right... Okay.
I want you to tell me.
1299
01:00:19,500 --> 01:00:23,102
It's the truth. I think that's
what they want, the truth.
1300
01:00:23,125 --> 01:00:24,769
MADELEINE: So, how do
we deal with that?
1301
01:00:24,792 --> 01:00:26,143
(MUSIC PLAYING)
1302
01:00:26,166 --> 01:00:28,917
Do we show you...
1303
01:00:29,410 --> 01:00:31,394
stabbing the guy?
1304
01:00:31,417 --> 01:00:32,977
(SCUFFLING)
1305
01:00:33,000 --> 01:00:34,542
DENNIS: Yeah.
1306
01:00:35,410 --> 01:00:36,560
MADELEINE: Is it worth it,
1307
01:00:36,583 --> 01:00:39,417
showing you coming
into the house and...?
1308
01:00:41,959 --> 01:00:44,143
I don't know, that
would be your decision.
1309
01:00:44,166 --> 01:00:45,227
MADELEINE: No.
1310
01:00:45,250 --> 01:00:48,417
(CHUCKLES)
That would be your decision.
1311
01:00:49,375 --> 01:00:51,180
MADELEINE: No, I'm asking you.
1312
01:00:51,410 --> 01:00:53,185
INTERVIEWER: One of the
things I think about is
1313
01:00:53,208 --> 01:00:55,560
just selling drugs, to get into the
mentality of kill or be killed.
1314
01:00:55,583 --> 01:00:58,477
How does one go
from that transition?
1315
01:00:58,500 --> 01:01:00,435
Pull the trigger.
1316
01:01:00,458 --> 01:01:02,185
Well, what would
cause that? Like,
1317
01:01:02,208 --> 01:01:04,333
you knew what you
was getting into.
1318
01:01:05,875 --> 01:01:08,352
I don't know. I don't...
1319
01:01:08,375 --> 01:01:09,977
I just did what I had to do.
1320
01:01:10,000 --> 01:01:12,811
Was it your own law,
or was it the law of the street
1321
01:01:12,834 --> 01:01:14,250
that you had to respond
this way?
1322
01:01:15,000 --> 01:01:16,917
That was my law.
1323
01:01:17,917 --> 01:01:20,830
That's how I chose to...
1324
01:01:20,917 --> 01:01:23,394
defend my... MADELEINE: So, do
you still feel the same way?
1325
01:01:23,417 --> 01:01:25,143
Like, if someone did
that to your kid now,
1326
01:01:25,166 --> 01:01:28,394
would you do the same thing?
I would knock his head off.
1327
01:01:28,417 --> 01:01:30,125
(SIGHS)
1328
01:01:30,834 --> 01:01:33,185
MADELEINE: I think it might
be worth considering that,
1329
01:01:33,208 --> 01:01:35,727
actually, a lot of people
who might be watching this
1330
01:01:35,750 --> 01:01:39,227
could come from communities
where they don't know anybody
1331
01:01:39,250 --> 01:01:41,394
who's ever killed anyone.
DENNIS: No.
1332
01:01:41,417 --> 01:01:43,143
MADELEINE: Yes.
DENNIS: In America today?
1333
01:01:43,166 --> 01:01:44,602
MADELEINE: Yeah.
(SCOFFING)
1334
01:01:44,625 --> 01:01:46,560
DENNIS: You think you can
go back to your yearbooks
1335
01:01:46,583 --> 01:01:49,143
from elementary on,
and not find somebody in there
1336
01:01:49,166 --> 01:01:51,811
that's in prison for murder,
or who's been murdered?
1337
01:01:51,834 --> 01:01:52,875
MADELEINE: Yeah.
1338
01:01:53,000 --> 01:01:54,894
Nobody from your...
1339
01:01:54,917 --> 01:01:56,333
Wow.
1340
01:01:57,291 --> 01:01:59,894
I see people here today,
1341
01:01:59,917 --> 01:02:02,667
in prison today that
I lived with on the streets.
1342
01:02:03,458 --> 01:02:05,102
MADELEINE: You guys might have
1343
01:02:05,125 --> 01:02:08,310
a different experience
of the world
1344
01:02:08,333 --> 01:02:12,600
of violence than most people...
1345
01:02:12,830 --> 01:02:14,667
It was... distant from them.
1346
01:02:16,625 --> 01:02:19,667
That's, well, that's
the reason we doing this.
1347
01:02:21,000 --> 01:02:23,477
Is to tell
1348
01:02:23,500 --> 01:02:25,394
these stories
1349
01:02:25,417 --> 01:02:27,291
about our lives.
1350
01:02:28,750 --> 01:02:31,102
That's what this thing...
1351
01:02:31,125 --> 01:02:32,792
ironed out to be.
1352
01:02:33,792 --> 01:02:36,166
It's my story.
Right.
1353
01:02:37,583 --> 01:02:40,834
It's my story. My story,
it deserves to be known.
1354
01:02:43,542 --> 01:02:46,500
MADELEINE: Okay, so let's carry
on with your story then.
1355
01:02:49,410 --> 01:02:51,000
If we're going
forward down the path...
1356
01:02:53,000 --> 01:02:54,667
what's the next step?
1357
01:02:57,291 --> 01:02:59,435
(WIND BLOWING)
1358
01:02:59,458 --> 01:03:02,500
(MUSIC PLAYING)
1359
01:03:04,208 --> 01:03:06,644
I was selling dope.
1360
01:03:06,667 --> 01:03:09,792
And, one day,
I had my son with me.
1361
01:03:10,542 --> 01:03:12,936
My dad said, "Let's jump
on the kid's bike and, uh,
1362
01:03:12,959 --> 01:03:16,250
go over to the neighborhood,
see what's going on."
1363
01:03:18,333 --> 01:03:20,185
I had left my foster home,
1364
01:03:20,208 --> 01:03:23,227
and I was working for
the two people I killed.
1365
01:03:23,250 --> 01:03:25,769
They were cleaning windows, and
I walked up to them and said,
1366
01:03:25,792 --> 01:03:28,519
"Hey, you know, I used to clean
windows with my dad."
1367
01:03:28,542 --> 01:03:31,208
Right then and there,
on the spot, he gave me a job.
1368
01:03:32,410 --> 01:03:33,727
One day, I'm at...
1369
01:03:33,750 --> 01:03:36,602
at the gas station...
(CLICKING)
1370
01:03:36,625 --> 01:03:39,875
...and he pull up
with some other dudes.
1371
01:03:41,458 --> 01:03:43,602
Before he even get
there, we hear him.
1372
01:03:43,625 --> 01:03:45,600
(MUSIC BLARES)
1373
01:03:45,830 --> 01:03:46,894
We like, "Man, who is this?"
1374
01:03:46,917 --> 01:03:49,936
I said, "Look, my man's
mama trying to rest up, man,
1375
01:03:49,959 --> 01:03:52,519
"recuperate from chemotherapy.
1376
01:03:52,542 --> 01:03:53,894
"I need you to respect
the set, man.
1377
01:03:53,917 --> 01:03:56,180
"I need you to turn
that music down,
1378
01:03:56,410 --> 01:03:57,310
and kill them lights."
1379
01:03:57,333 --> 01:04:00,394
So, we got to barking.
(YELLING)
1380
01:04:00,417 --> 01:04:03,185
RUSHAWN: We sitting in
the little dope house.
1381
01:04:03,208 --> 01:04:05,310
The door come flying open.
(YELLING)
1382
01:04:05,333 --> 01:04:07,227
He put the gun to my son's head.
1383
01:04:07,250 --> 01:04:09,375
"Where the dope
and the money at?"
1384
01:04:09,917 --> 01:04:11,750
So, I look at him.
1385
01:04:12,417 --> 01:04:14,977
I just raised the pillow up,
1386
01:04:15,000 --> 01:04:17,936
and gave him the little
money I had in my pocket.
1387
01:04:17,959 --> 01:04:21,600
DENNIS: And there was a grape
pop stain on the carpet.
1388
01:04:21,830 --> 01:04:22,560
And he asked me to clean up
the stain.
1389
01:04:22,583 --> 01:04:24,394
I said, "Man, I'm not
cleaning up that man's stain.
1390
01:04:24,417 --> 01:04:26,727
"He did that. He was here
all day. We were working.
1391
01:04:26,750 --> 01:04:28,394
You know,
let him clean it up."
1392
01:04:28,417 --> 01:04:29,894
(MUSIC PLAYING)
1393
01:04:29,917 --> 01:04:32,894
I left, bought two hits of acid.
1394
01:04:32,917 --> 01:04:35,519
Went and got high.
(CRICKETS CHIRPING)
1395
01:04:35,542 --> 01:04:39,125
I'm laying out there, watching the
stars shoot each other and everything.
1396
01:04:39,959 --> 01:04:42,125
Then, I went back to the house.
1397
01:04:44,709 --> 01:04:48,268
When he hit me,
it didn't even phase me
1398
01:04:48,291 --> 01:04:51,268
'cause my mind
at that point was,
1399
01:04:51,291 --> 01:04:52,602
"You gonna die."
1400
01:04:52,625 --> 01:04:55,727
I didn't see him again
for a month or so.
1401
01:04:55,750 --> 01:04:59,291
MADELEINE: What were you feeling
when you left to get the gun?
1402
01:04:59,959 --> 01:05:01,602
Showtime.
1403
01:05:01,625 --> 01:05:03,291
(COCKS GUN)
1404
01:05:05,500 --> 01:05:07,602
FRANKLIN: So, I tried to
open the car door. (KNOCKS)
1405
01:05:07,625 --> 01:05:09,185
So, I'm like, damn,
you wanted to talk?
1406
01:05:09,208 --> 01:05:11,477
And then when you had
your pistol, all of a sudden,
1407
01:05:11,500 --> 01:05:13,852
you don't wanna talk to me now, huh?
(GRUNTING)
1408
01:05:13,875 --> 01:05:16,894
He pulling on the car
door for dear life.
1409
01:05:16,917 --> 01:05:18,602
I would think it would show
1410
01:05:18,625 --> 01:05:20,894
him coming up
and kicking me in my side.
1411
01:05:20,917 --> 01:05:22,894
Come on, wake up!
1412
01:05:22,917 --> 01:05:26,375
Waking me up
and it coming to a brawl.
1413
01:05:27,458 --> 01:05:28,769
(GRUNTS)
1414
01:05:28,792 --> 01:05:30,811
(MUSIC PLAYING)
1415
01:05:30,834 --> 01:05:32,310
QUENTIS: My right hand
to the most high,
1416
01:05:32,333 --> 01:05:33,936
when I reached for the Glock,
1417
01:05:33,959 --> 01:05:36,000
it jumped in my hand, bro.
(CLICKS)
1418
01:05:38,417 --> 01:05:40,500
(GUNSHOTS)
1419
01:05:44,291 --> 01:05:45,644
DENNIS: I do think
it was murder,
1420
01:05:45,667 --> 01:05:47,143
and I did I walk
back over to Tom
1421
01:05:47,166 --> 01:05:48,644
and shot him
in the back of the head.
1422
01:05:48,667 --> 01:05:50,560
(GUNSHOT)
I did do that.
1423
01:05:50,583 --> 01:05:52,769
(CLICKING)
QUENTIS: When you committed the act,
1424
01:05:52,792 --> 01:05:53,977
you felt justified.
1425
01:05:54,000 --> 01:05:55,644
FRANKLIN: Yeah. At
the time, yeah.
1426
01:05:55,667 --> 01:05:56,542
(CLICKS)
1427
01:05:59,333 --> 01:06:01,143
INTERVIEWER: Okay, Dennis.
We wanted to ask
1428
01:06:01,166 --> 01:06:03,208
if you could change
just one thing,
1429
01:06:03,875 --> 01:06:05,769
what would that be?
1430
01:06:05,792 --> 01:06:07,769
I think when I look
back at my life,
1431
01:06:07,792 --> 01:06:09,352
there's forks in the road.
1432
01:06:09,375 --> 01:06:11,560
You know, if I got...
Gotten high that night,
1433
01:06:11,583 --> 01:06:14,519
and just spent the night
at my girlfriend's house.
1434
01:06:14,542 --> 01:06:17,600
I'd have put on my shoes,
tied 'em up, threw on my shirt,
1435
01:06:17,830 --> 01:06:20,208
grabbed my stuff,
and been out the door.
1436
01:06:21,291 --> 01:06:23,600
FRANKLIN: The day I decided
1437
01:06:23,830 --> 01:06:25,268
to start selling drugs
1438
01:06:25,291 --> 01:06:27,977
is the day I should have
made a better choice.
1439
01:06:28,000 --> 01:06:29,936
As a child, I shouldn't have
1440
01:06:29,959 --> 01:06:33,227
been worried about the struggle.
I should've just accepted them,
1441
01:06:33,250 --> 01:06:36,500
and allowed my parents
to deal with them, so it was...
1442
01:06:37,410 --> 01:06:39,875
it wasn't meant for me to fix.
1443
01:06:42,000 --> 01:06:43,583
QUENTIS: The thing
I would change?
1444
01:06:44,500 --> 01:06:46,686
That ain't no easy
question for me to answer,
1445
01:06:46,709 --> 01:06:49,435
I'm gonna be honest with you.
Sure, sure.
1446
01:06:49,458 --> 01:06:52,227
I wouldn't even put myself
in that environment.
1447
01:06:52,250 --> 01:06:53,792
That was the whole thing.
1448
01:06:56,750 --> 01:06:59,477
MADELEINE: Did you ever think
that you might go to college?
1449
01:06:59,500 --> 01:07:02,625
Nah. Nah, not college.
1450
01:07:03,709 --> 01:07:06,560
It just wasn't even something
that was in my mind.
1451
01:07:06,583 --> 01:07:08,936
RUSHAWN: Today,
as a grown man...
1452
01:07:08,959 --> 01:07:09,834
(YELLING)
1453
01:07:10,500 --> 01:07:15,185
...it was my fault that I had
my son with me, I know that.
1454
01:07:15,208 --> 01:07:17,727
QUENTIS: What did you
want out of life?
1455
01:07:17,750 --> 01:07:19,227
Where did you see yourself?
1456
01:07:19,250 --> 01:07:22,227
What was your purpose?
I never had thoughts about that.
1457
01:07:22,250 --> 01:07:25,435
QUENTIS: It was all about survival.
About survival, right.
1458
01:07:25,458 --> 01:07:26,977
It's like in
the wild, wild West.
1459
01:07:27,000 --> 01:07:28,477
Meet me outside at high noon,
1460
01:07:28,500 --> 01:07:29,977
we got this shootout going on.
1461
01:07:30,000 --> 01:07:31,602
Well, that was
the illusion though.
1462
01:07:31,625 --> 01:07:35,600
And it's amazing to me to...
1463
01:07:35,830 --> 01:07:36,977
be able to see that now
1464
01:07:37,000 --> 01:07:41,125
versus, you know,
me doing it then.
1465
01:07:42,500 --> 01:07:43,936
(STONE TAPS WINDOW)
1466
01:07:43,959 --> 01:07:45,936
Catch them while they're young,
you know what I'm saying,
1467
01:07:45,959 --> 01:07:47,268
you teach them
the right thing...
1468
01:07:47,291 --> 01:07:49,435
So, how young?
That's what they gonna use.
1469
01:07:49,458 --> 01:07:50,769
Five?
1470
01:07:50,792 --> 01:07:52,769
When they come out of the womb.
1471
01:07:52,792 --> 01:07:55,977
Before they even
get out of the womb.
1472
01:07:56,000 --> 01:07:57,769
Man remains in existence,
1473
01:07:57,792 --> 01:08:00,602
and his actions
accumulate beside him.
1474
01:08:00,625 --> 01:08:03,727
(MUSIC PLAYING)
1475
01:08:03,750 --> 01:08:06,291
And we say the thought
is the cause of it all.
1476
01:08:08,375 --> 01:08:11,166
Well, if the thought
is the cause of it all,
1477
01:08:13,830 --> 01:08:15,519
what is the physical world for?
1478
01:08:15,542 --> 01:08:18,667
(MUSIC PLAYING)
1479
01:08:24,830 --> 01:08:26,310
And my understanding is
1480
01:08:26,333 --> 01:08:28,560
we done came down to this plane,
1481
01:08:28,583 --> 01:08:30,143
and everything is slowed down,
1482
01:08:30,166 --> 01:08:32,834
so we can learn
how to think properly.
1483
01:08:34,333 --> 01:08:37,977
You gotta think
about what's right.
1484
01:08:38,000 --> 01:08:41,166
(INMATES SHOUTING)
1485
01:08:53,709 --> 01:08:56,750
(MUSIC PLAYING)
1486
01:09:10,410 --> 01:09:12,166
(MUSIC PLAYING)
1487
01:09:15,375 --> 01:09:17,310
DENNIS: I'm gonna go
ahead and read this.
1488
01:09:17,333 --> 01:09:18,769
That's what I was
thinking about last night
1489
01:09:18,792 --> 01:09:22,410
in case you decide to use
it in the future. Okay?
1490
01:09:24,542 --> 01:09:26,435
Hello, my name is Dennis.
1491
01:09:26,458 --> 01:09:29,143
Do you think you could
look at me and say,
1492
01:09:29,166 --> 01:09:31,602
"There is a good carpenter,
1493
01:09:31,625 --> 01:09:34,583
mechanic, scholar,"
1494
01:09:34,875 --> 01:09:37,830
knowing that I was a murderer?
1495
01:09:39,166 --> 01:09:41,352
If I told you that
I studied culinary arts,
1496
01:09:41,375 --> 01:09:44,625
would call me a chef,
knowing that I was a murderer?
1497
01:09:46,250 --> 01:09:47,936
If I told you I had studied
1498
01:09:47,959 --> 01:09:49,875
machine technology,
1499
01:09:50,291 --> 01:09:53,792
would you call me a machinist,
knowing I was a murderer?
1500
01:09:54,750 --> 01:09:58,268
Probably not
because I'm still a murderer.
1501
01:09:58,291 --> 01:10:00,477
When I first committed
these two murders,
1502
01:10:00,500 --> 01:10:03,560
I only thought of how
I fucked up my life.
1503
01:10:03,583 --> 01:10:04,769
Somewhere along the way,
1504
01:10:04,792 --> 01:10:07,143
I began thinking of
the family members,
1505
01:10:07,166 --> 01:10:09,310
mine and the victims',
1506
01:10:09,333 --> 01:10:11,686
and how they must feel.
1507
01:10:11,709 --> 01:10:13,602
How I've impacted them,
1508
01:10:13,625 --> 01:10:18,102
and how no one will
ever be the same again.
1509
01:10:18,125 --> 01:10:21,600
Though I completed all
the programs I mentioned above,
1510
01:10:21,830 --> 01:10:24,180
I will always be
a murderer first.
1511
01:10:24,410 --> 01:10:26,936
I'm resolved to accept that.
1512
01:10:26,959 --> 01:10:29,625
I could never take the life
of another person today.
1513
01:10:30,542 --> 01:10:32,519
I will never allow myself to be
1514
01:10:32,542 --> 01:10:35,602
the dysfunctional
punk I once was,
1515
01:10:35,625 --> 01:10:39,602
even if you never believe
I could ever be anything more.
1516
01:10:39,625 --> 01:10:41,125
I know who I am today,
1517
01:10:41,875 --> 01:10:45,125
and I am nothing like
I was 30 years ago.
1518
01:10:48,291 --> 01:10:49,519
(SIGHS)
1519
01:10:49,542 --> 01:10:52,310
MAN 1: Keep it rolling.
MAN 2: Keep it rolling.
1520
01:10:52,333 --> 01:10:54,268
RUSHAWN: So, what
was the best part
1521
01:10:54,291 --> 01:10:55,852
of making this film?
1522
01:10:55,875 --> 01:10:57,811
Just having the opportunity
1523
01:10:57,834 --> 01:11:00,936
to participate in something
different, something new that
1524
01:11:00,959 --> 01:11:02,268
I never thought I'd see.
1525
01:11:02,291 --> 01:11:05,310
I mean, I'm grateful that
I got to meet you guys
1526
01:11:05,333 --> 01:11:08,811
and to get to learn
a little bit more about you.
1527
01:11:08,834 --> 01:11:10,310
(MUSIC PLAYING)
1528
01:11:10,333 --> 01:11:11,644
FRANKLIN: So, how
would you describe
1529
01:11:11,667 --> 01:11:14,125
the process of learning
how to make a movie?
1530
01:11:14,959 --> 01:11:16,644
It's long.
(CHUCKLES)
1531
01:11:16,667 --> 01:11:18,000
FRANKLIN: Long?
1532
01:11:18,458 --> 01:11:20,310
It's a lot of good old memories,
1533
01:11:20,333 --> 01:11:22,310
a lot of bad memories.
1534
01:11:22,333 --> 01:11:23,917
You know, uh...
1535
01:11:24,458 --> 01:11:26,310
It was kind of challenging
bringing them up
1536
01:11:26,333 --> 01:11:28,644
and just sharing
them with people.
1537
01:11:28,667 --> 01:11:30,519
FRANKLIN: Okay.
1538
01:11:30,542 --> 01:11:32,709
FRANKLIN: What did you
learn from this process...
1539
01:11:33,709 --> 01:11:35,644
Oh, it's got the autofocus on.
1540
01:11:35,667 --> 01:11:38,519
Cameraman, he ain't learn
nothing through the project...
1541
01:11:38,542 --> 01:11:41,375
(LAUGHTER)
1542
01:11:43,410 --> 01:11:45,185
MAN: Action.
(RAPPING) Is this your life,
1543
01:11:45,208 --> 01:11:47,185
where violence is
the order of the day?
1544
01:11:47,208 --> 01:11:50,185
Dysfunction all around you,
the more that you feel safe.
1545
01:11:50,208 --> 01:11:53,227
Overlooking opportunities,
unaware of what they are.
1546
01:11:53,250 --> 01:11:54,686
Fearful of moving ahead,
1547
01:11:54,709 --> 01:11:56,185
picking at your scars.
1548
01:11:56,208 --> 01:11:59,310
Is this your life, where
middle-class is not enough?
1549
01:11:59,333 --> 01:12:01,644
Great support from mom,
but the streets show you love.
1550
01:12:01,667 --> 01:12:04,852
Your names ring a bell
like a pistol in your head.
1551
01:12:04,875 --> 01:12:07,519
Quit the 9-to-5 'cause
you out here getting made.
1552
01:12:07,542 --> 01:12:10,727
Is this your life,
overwhelmed by addiction?
1553
01:12:10,750 --> 01:12:13,727
A parent at heart, but not
there for your children?
1554
01:12:13,750 --> 01:12:18,600
Drugs altered the home, let the family
pitch a tent, now you have regrets.
1555
01:12:18,830 --> 01:12:19,852
It's a hard truth, ain't it?
1556
01:12:19,875 --> 01:12:22,852
Is this your life, hustling
to get the bills paid?
1557
01:12:22,875 --> 01:12:25,686
Giving your mom money
at 13 years of age,
1558
01:12:25,709 --> 01:12:27,185
full-fledged with it.
1559
01:12:27,208 --> 01:12:28,560
Divided by choice.
1560
01:12:28,583 --> 01:12:31,477
You Radio Raheem, you ain't
turning down the noise.
1561
01:12:31,500 --> 01:12:32,602
Is this your life,
1562
01:12:32,625 --> 01:12:34,936
where they pack
weapons like the army?
1563
01:12:34,959 --> 01:12:37,936
The whole hood represent
the essence of the zombie?
1564
01:12:37,959 --> 01:12:40,894
Friends become enemies over
drugs and loose change.
1565
01:12:40,917 --> 01:12:44,435
An environment that breeds
no love, just new gangs.
1566
01:12:44,458 --> 01:12:47,352
If this is your life,
you don't wanna end up here.
1567
01:12:47,375 --> 01:12:50,477
In prison, they count decades,
not count the years.
1568
01:12:50,500 --> 01:12:52,180
The crime ain't worth the time,
1569
01:12:52,410 --> 01:12:53,310
that's a true statement.
1570
01:12:53,333 --> 01:12:54,560
This ain't the life you want,
1571
01:12:54,583 --> 01:12:57,291
and you have the power
to change it.
1572
01:12:57,792 --> 01:13:00,727
Yeah, what he said!
MAN: Fade to black.
1573
01:13:00,750 --> 01:13:03,792
(MUSIC PLAYING)
1574
01:13:30,417 --> 01:13:33,458
(MUSIC PLAYING)
1575
01:14:06,208 --> 01:14:09,166
(MUSIC PLAYING)
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