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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:01,000 --> 00:00:04,000 Downloaded From www.AllSubs.org 2 00:00:08,334 --> 00:00:22,234 www.1000fr.com Present 3 00:00:23,000 --> 00:00:37,400 Capture:FRM@Fadeout Sync:FRM@openext 4 00:01:09,184 --> 00:01:10,233 The victim is Mandy Monroe, 5 00:01:10,234 --> 00:01:11,734 stabbed to death in her living room, 6 00:01:11,801 --> 00:01:13,734 sometime between 2:00 and 4:00 a.m., Sunday. 7 00:01:13,801 --> 00:01:15,734 She was with her fiance earlier that night. 8 00:01:15,801 --> 00:01:17,234 Is he good for this? 9 00:01:17,300 --> 00:01:20,401 Surgical intern at St. Mike's, on call midnight to 5:00 a.m., 10 00:01:20,467 --> 00:01:22,334 left Mandy's a little after 11:00, 11 00:01:22,401 --> 00:01:24,300 scrubbing in at the hospital a half an hour later. 12 00:01:24,367 --> 00:01:26,367 Cops arrested the victim's uncle, Sam Carter. 13 00:01:26,434 --> 00:01:28,367 A witness saw him staggering out of the building 14 00:01:28,434 --> 00:01:30,768 around 3:00 in the a.m., looking quite intoxicated. 15 00:01:30,834 --> 00:01:31,567 Murder weapon? 16 00:01:31,634 --> 00:01:32,967 It's a kitchen knife-- 17 00:01:33,033 --> 00:01:34,267 on the floor, next to the body. 18 00:01:34,334 --> 00:01:35,834 Prints match the suspect. 19 00:01:35,900 --> 00:01:37,434 And Forensics got another hit 20 00:01:37,501 --> 00:01:39,100 in the shower off a bottle of conditioner. 21 00:01:40,768 --> 00:01:42,134 He hung around the crime scene to take a shower Hey, he was covered in blood. 22 00:01:42,200 --> 00:01:44,000 I would, wouldn't you? (Annabeth groans) 23 00:01:44,067 --> 00:01:45,267 So far it's a routine grounder. 24 00:01:45,334 --> 00:01:46,768 Does he have any kind of alibi? 25 00:01:46,834 --> 00:01:48,834 Wife claims he was up all night working at home, 26 00:01:48,900 --> 00:01:49,067 some kind of computer whiz. 27 00:01:50,601 --> 00:01:51,801 Software engineer. 28 00:01:51,868 --> 00:01:53,033 Sounds like we got the right guy. 29 00:01:53,100 --> 00:01:54,167 Do we have a motive? 30 00:01:54,234 --> 00:01:55,367 Her fiance popped the question 31 00:01:55,434 --> 00:01:57,033 last night, she said yes, 32 00:01:57,100 --> 00:01:58,868 called the uncle's house to give the family the good news. 33 00:01:58,933 --> 00:02:01,334 Her engagement has something to do with her murder? 34 00:02:01,401 --> 00:02:04,567 Check out what they found on the uncle's computer. 35 00:02:10,100 --> 00:02:12,267 You really jumped the gun on this one, Annabeth. 36 00:02:12,334 --> 00:02:14,801 Talk about a rush to judgment. 37 00:02:14,868 --> 00:02:16,801 We have Mr. Carter's prints at the scene 38 00:02:16,868 --> 00:02:18,500 and on the murder weapon. 39 00:02:18,701 --> 00:02:21,334 I'm sure there's an innocent explanation for both. 40 00:02:21,400 --> 00:02:23,100 Is there an explanation for these? 41 00:02:28,100 --> 00:02:29,701 Pictures of his niece? 42 00:02:29,767 --> 00:02:31,233 So what? 43 00:02:31,300 --> 00:02:33,034 564 of them, to be exact, 44 00:02:33,100 --> 00:02:34,701 on his computer. 45 00:02:34,767 --> 00:02:37,367 He even customized his screen saver with the name Amanda. 46 00:02:37,434 --> 00:02:39,667 There's nothing incriminating about any of these. 47 00:02:39,734 --> 00:02:41,467 He was a devoted and doting uncle. 48 00:02:41,534 --> 00:02:42,867 He was obsessed with her. 49 00:02:42,934 --> 00:02:45,233 Mandy announced her engagement last night. 50 00:02:45,300 --> 00:02:47,167 You didn't seem to take that news too well. 51 00:02:47,233 --> 00:02:49,334 That's your motive? 52 00:02:49,400 --> 00:02:51,001 Please. 53 00:02:51,068 --> 00:02:52,934 Mr. Carter, you can keep a vow of silence 54 00:02:53,001 --> 00:02:55,133 for the rest of your life, for all I care. 55 00:02:55,200 --> 00:02:57,567 We're going to be charging you with Mandy's murder. 56 00:03:00,400 --> 00:03:04,100 No recollection of what you're talking about. 57 00:03:07,001 --> 00:03:08,534 None whatsoever. 58 00:03:13,267 --> 00:03:14,834 So who else was at dinner? 59 00:03:14,901 --> 00:03:19,101 Sam, me, his brother, Jordan, Sam's father, Cyrus. 60 00:03:19,168 --> 00:03:20,867 Had the whole family. 61 00:03:20,934 --> 00:03:24,367 Well, Sam has an older sister, Sheryl, but we don't see her. 62 00:03:24,434 --> 00:03:25,867 And after dinner? 63 00:03:25,934 --> 00:03:27,400 We all said good night. 64 00:03:27,467 --> 00:03:30,500 Cyrus and Jordan left, and Sam went out to his office to work. 65 00:03:30,567 --> 00:03:32,034 I went to bed. 66 00:03:32,068 --> 00:03:33,901 You told police he was up all night working at his computer. 67 00:03:33,967 --> 00:03:35,609 Yes. Witness saw him 68 00:03:35,609 --> 00:03:36,450 coming out of your niece's 69 00:03:36,450 --> 00:03:37,134 building at 3:00 a.m. 70 00:03:37,200 --> 00:03:38,500 They must have seen someone else. 71 00:03:38,567 --> 00:03:40,867 They saw him all right, falling down drunk. 72 00:03:40,934 --> 00:03:43,068 Sam has been sober for years. 73 00:03:43,134 --> 00:03:44,068 Really? 74 00:03:44,134 --> 00:03:45,701 When the police arrested him, 75 00:03:45,767 --> 00:03:47,267 he still had a blood alcohol level near the legal limit. 76 00:03:47,333 --> 00:03:49,934 I-I-I don't know how that could be possible. 77 00:03:50,001 --> 00:03:53,567 Your husband seemed obsessed with his niece. 78 00:03:53,634 --> 00:03:57,068 You make it sound so unhealthy. 79 00:03:57,134 --> 00:03:59,901 What would you call it? 80 00:03:59,967 --> 00:04:02,901 Sam and Mandy have always been close. 81 00:04:03,117 --> 00:04:07,650 Sam's mother was killed in a car accident when he was 14. 82 00:04:07,717 --> 00:04:12,383 Diane, Mandy's mother passed when Mandy was little-- cancer. 83 00:04:12,450 --> 00:04:17,684 I think that's why Sam and Mandy have always had a special bond. 84 00:04:17,750 --> 00:04:24,218 Listen, I know Sam is an odd duck, but he is not dangerous. 85 00:04:24,284 --> 00:04:25,951 His prints are on the murder weapon, 86 00:04:26,017 --> 00:04:28,071 one of Mandy's kitchen knives. 87 00:04:28,071 --> 00:04:29,637 Well, he was over there a lot. 88 00:04:29,638 --> 00:04:31,839 And in the bathroom on a bottle of conditioner. 89 00:04:31,906 --> 00:04:33,539 That could have happened any time. 90 00:04:33,605 --> 00:04:36,605 When he's anxious, he washes his hands a lot. 91 00:04:36,672 --> 00:04:37,805 He must have been real anxious, 92 00:04:37,872 --> 00:04:39,006 apparently took a shower there. 93 00:04:39,071 --> 00:04:40,639 He could have. 94 00:04:40,705 --> 00:04:44,038 He's got a... cleanliness compulsion. 95 00:04:44,105 --> 00:04:46,038 Washing calms him down. 96 00:04:47,006 --> 00:04:48,405 I get it. 97 00:04:48,472 --> 00:04:50,105 Your husband and your niece talk, 98 00:04:50,171 --> 00:04:51,705 they end up fighting over her engagement, he stabs her, 99 00:04:51,772 --> 00:04:53,138 and then he takes a shower to chill out. 100 00:04:53,205 --> 00:04:55,305 Not to mention to wash off the blood. 101 00:04:55,372 --> 00:04:57,438 Look, I know that he didn't do this. 102 00:04:57,505 --> 00:05:01,672 You should call Jordan, because I heard them leave around 11:00, 103 00:05:01,739 --> 00:05:03,505 just after I went to bed. 104 00:05:03,572 --> 00:05:05,605 So he wasn't at his desk all night. 105 00:05:09,338 --> 00:05:11,006 No. 106 00:05:11,105 --> 00:05:12,672 She done lied to the police. 107 00:05:16,639 --> 00:05:18,639 Mm-mm-mm. 108 00:05:21,272 --> 00:05:23,639 Where'd you and your brother go so late? 109 00:05:23,705 --> 00:05:27,272 An AA meeting, one at midnight over on Willow and Ashby. 110 00:05:27,338 --> 00:05:28,772 Not that far from here. 111 00:05:28,839 --> 00:05:30,572 Yeah, it's walking distance. 112 00:05:30,639 --> 00:05:31,839 I guess. 113 00:05:31,906 --> 00:05:33,605 I just dropped him off and went home. 114 00:05:33,672 --> 00:05:34,939 Just dropped him? 115 00:05:35,006 --> 00:05:36,539 That's right. 116 00:05:36,605 --> 00:05:38,372 Sam likes to walk. It clears his head. 117 00:05:38,438 --> 00:05:39,705 He can walk for hours on end. 118 00:05:39,772 --> 00:05:40,639 Not this time. 119 00:05:40,705 --> 00:05:42,071 We have a witness, 120 00:05:42,138 --> 00:05:43,205 saw him coming out of this building, 121 00:05:43,272 --> 00:05:44,605 a couple hours later, drunk. 122 00:05:44,672 --> 00:05:46,338 I guess the AA meeting didn't work-- 123 00:05:46,405 --> 00:05:47,906 fell off the wagon anyway. 124 00:05:51,772 --> 00:05:54,872 I'll ask you the same question I asked your sister-in-law. 125 00:05:54,939 --> 00:05:57,605 What was the deal between your brother and your niece? 126 00:05:57,672 --> 00:05:59,872 Look, they were just close, all right? 127 00:05:59,939 --> 00:06:02,038 Nothing creepy about it. 128 00:06:02,105 --> 00:06:05,597 Your brother's being arraigned for her murder this afternoon. 129 00:06:05,597 --> 00:06:07,879 Me, I'd call that creepy. 130 00:06:09,705 --> 00:06:12,639 In the murder of Amanda Monroe, how do you plead, Mr. Carter? 131 00:06:12,705 --> 00:06:15,990 Not guilty by reason of insanity, Your Honor. 132 00:06:15,990 --> 00:06:16,600 Very well. 133 00:06:16,600 --> 00:06:18,539 I assume the issue of bail is mute? 134 00:06:18,605 --> 00:06:19,672 Yes, Your Honor. 135 00:06:19,739 --> 00:06:21,338 Then the next item on the agenda 136 00:06:21,405 --> 00:06:23,006 is a competency hearing. 137 00:06:23,071 --> 00:06:24,872 The defense requests Dr. Wolfe, 138 00:06:24,939 --> 00:06:26,338 Mr. Carter's personal psychiatrist, 139 00:06:26,405 --> 00:06:29,500 to do an evaluation for the competency hearing. 140 00:06:29,500 --> 00:06:31,272 And for the People, Miss Scofield? 141 00:06:31,272 --> 00:06:32,772 Dr. Perrin, Your Honor. 142 00:06:32,839 --> 00:06:34,438 So ordered. 143 00:06:36,505 --> 00:06:38,872 ANNABETH: An insanity plea, good luck with that. 144 00:06:38,939 --> 00:06:40,572 CONLON: What other choice do they have? 145 00:06:40,638 --> 00:06:42,371 We have him red-handed. 146 00:06:42,438 --> 00:06:43,939 ANNABETH: You think Porter could beat the odds? 147 00:06:44,005 --> 00:06:45,472 CONLON: Not in New York, 148 00:06:45,538 --> 00:06:47,538 but Indiana has a bifurcated insanity verdict, 149 00:06:47,605 --> 00:06:49,206 gives the jury a choice. 150 00:06:49,271 --> 00:06:50,872 ANNABETH: Not guilty by reason of insanity 151 00:06:50,939 --> 00:06:52,638 or guilty, but mentally ill. 152 00:06:52,705 --> 00:06:55,805 Exactly. It's still an impossibly high bar to get over. 153 00:06:55,872 --> 00:06:57,371 All my years on the job, 154 00:06:57,438 --> 00:06:59,739 I've never seen a successful insanity defense. 155 00:06:59,805 --> 00:07:02,238 Dr. Perrin is doing our side of the competency hearing. 156 00:07:02,305 --> 00:07:04,939 Competency hearing is a formality. 157 00:07:05,005 --> 00:07:06,572 That standard is set so low, 158 00:07:06,638 --> 00:07:08,271 he could be sticking cornflakes up his nose, 159 00:07:08,338 --> 00:07:09,638 as long as the court believes 160 00:07:09,705 --> 00:07:11,538 he understands what's going on around him. 161 00:07:11,605 --> 00:07:14,605 He should, as long as he stays on his antidepressants. 162 00:07:14,672 --> 00:07:16,371 Well, let's make sure that he does. 163 00:07:16,438 --> 00:07:18,405 His family says Carter's a recovering alcoholic. 164 00:07:19,222 --> 00:07:20,822 He's been on the wagon for many years. 165 00:07:20,889 --> 00:07:22,322 He even went to an AA meeting that night. 166 00:07:22,388 --> 00:07:25,222 Our witness says he was falling down drunk at the crime scene. 167 00:07:25,288 --> 00:07:27,555 Hmm. The defense may try to use intoxication 168 00:07:27,622 --> 00:07:29,222 wv as a mitigating factor. 169 00:07:29,288 --> 00:07:31,222 I'll ask Ray to retrace Carter's steps that night. 170 00:07:31,288 --> 00:07:32,555 Let's depose the family as well, 171 00:07:32,622 --> 00:07:34,856 I want to make sure the jury haa clear explanation 172 00:07:34,922 --> 00:07:36,789 of why Carter did what he did that night. 173 00:07:36,856 --> 00:07:38,021 Crazy won't cut it? 174 00:07:38,088 --> 00:07:40,255 Crazy won't cut it. 175 00:07:47,450 --> 00:07:50,549 Was your son drinking at dinner the night Mandy was killed? 176 00:07:50,616 --> 00:07:52,598 He can't drink, he's on antidepressants. 177 00:07:52,599 --> 00:07:54,133 How long has he been depressed? 178 00:07:54,200 --> 00:07:54,999 For years. 179 00:07:55,000 --> 00:07:57,733 Has he been more depressed than usual recently? 180 00:07:57,799 --> 00:07:59,466 Happens every year around the same time. 181 00:07:59,532 --> 00:08:02,766 You see, Sam lost his mother when he was a teen, 182 00:08:02,833 --> 00:08:07,866 so the anniversary of her death is hard on him, very hard. 183 00:08:07,867 --> 00:08:09,766 Does he typically drink on the anniversary? 184 00:08:09,767 --> 00:08:11,566 I thought he'd been sober for many years. 185 00:08:11,633 --> 00:08:14,700 Oh, sure, he has-- 14... 15 years. 186 00:08:14,767 --> 00:08:16,466 Well, if he hadn't had a drink in years past, 187 00:08:16,533 --> 00:08:19,166 what was so significant about this particular anniversary? 188 00:08:19,233 --> 00:08:21,433 Mandy getting married and moving away. 189 00:08:21,500 --> 00:08:24,733 If you ask me, it was more than he could handle. Mr. Carter, 190 00:08:24,800 --> 00:08:26,166 don't you think 191 00:08:26,233 --> 00:08:29,733 your son's attachment to his niece was... unusual? 192 00:08:29,800 --> 00:08:32,867 Mandy was very special to Sam. 193 00:08:32,932 --> 00:08:34,533 You see, they both lost their mother 194 00:08:34,600 --> 00:08:35,999 when they were very young. 195 00:08:36,066 --> 00:08:37,600 When she hit her teens, 196 00:08:37,666 --> 00:08:42,700 Mandy started looking more and more like Angela, Sam's mother. 197 00:08:42,767 --> 00:08:45,299 Mandy reminded Sam of his mother? Yeah. 198 00:08:45,366 --> 00:08:47,133 She had a lot of her ways. 199 00:08:47,199 --> 00:08:51,066 She reminded us all more and more, the older she got. 200 00:08:51,133 --> 00:08:53,932 It's like we got her back. 201 00:08:53,999 --> 00:08:56,666 Despite his problems wh depression and alcoholism, 202 00:08:56,733 --> 00:08:59,333 Mr. Carter is fully competent to stand trial. 203 00:08:59,400 --> 00:09:00,767 Good. 204 00:09:00,833 --> 00:09:03,633 I wanted to ask you about his obsession with his niece. 205 00:09:03,700 --> 00:09:06,400 Classic case of transference. 206 00:09:06,466 --> 00:09:08,533 According to his father, as she grew older? 207 00:09:08,600 --> 00:09:11,899 The niece began to seem more and more like Carter's mother. 208 00:09:11,966 --> 00:09:13,733 Carter lost his mother when he was in his teens. 209 00:09:13,800 --> 00:09:16,233 Even though she died in an automobile accident, 210 00:09:16,299 --> 00:09:18,999 he had a feeling that she had abandoned him. 211 00:09:19,066 --> 00:09:21,066 So as Mandy got older, 212 00:09:21,133 --> 00:09:23,266 and began to resemble his mother more closely, 213 00:09:23,333 --> 00:09:26,266 his attachment to her would naturally deepen. 214 00:09:26,333 --> 00:09:28,032 Then why would he kill her? 215 00:09:28,099 --> 00:09:31,767 They said Mandy was getting engaged. 216 00:09:31,833 --> 00:09:34,433 The fiance told us that they planned on moving to Baltimore 217 00:09:34,500 --> 00:09:35,767 at the beginning of the year. 218 00:09:35,833 --> 00:09:37,266 So she was leaving him, 219 00:09:37,333 --> 00:09:40,433 both physically and emotionally separating herself. 220 00:09:40,500 --> 00:09:43,433 The relationship he had formed with someone who reminded him 221 00:09:43,500 --> 00:09:45,932 of his mother was being threatened. 222 00:09:45,999 --> 00:09:47,233 It was about to end. 223 00:09:47,299 --> 00:09:49,433 And that made him mad enough to kill her? 224 00:09:49,500 --> 00:09:52,266 I don't know what other factors might ve been at play. 225 00:09:52,333 --> 00:09:54,099 His mother died around this time of year. 226 00:09:54,166 --> 00:09:55,433 Anniversary effect. 227 00:09:55,500 --> 00:09:58,166 It's a period of great stress and anxiety. 228 00:09:58,233 --> 00:10:01,333 It could have fully triggered his fear of abandonment. 229 00:10:01,400 --> 00:10:03,932 And put him in a murderous rage. 230 00:10:03,999 --> 00:10:05,932 Based on the evaluations of the psychiatrist 231 00:10:05,999 --> 00:10:07,633 who've examined Mr. Carter, 232 00:10:07,700 --> 00:10:11,400 the court finds the defendant competent to stand trial. 233 00:10:11,400 --> 00:10:12,033 Your Honor, 234 00:10:12,050 --> 00:10:13,199 may I say something? Normally, 235 00:10:13,266 --> 00:10:17,133 the defendant waits until the court addresses him, Mr. Carter, 236 00:10:17,199 --> 00:10:18,899 but let's hear it. 237 00:10:18,966 --> 00:10:21,000 These psychiatrists don't know what's best for me. 238 00:10:21,000 --> 00:10:22,538 They don't know anything about me. 239 00:10:22,538 --> 00:10:23,999 Your Honor ,we just found out this morning, 240 00:10:24,066 --> 00:10:26,099 that my client has stopped taking his medications 241 00:10:26,166 --> 00:10:27,299 on a regular basis. 242 00:10:27,366 --> 00:10:28,533 Why is that, Mr. Carter? 243 00:10:28,600 --> 00:10:30,366 Why have you stopped taking your medication? 244 00:10:30,433 --> 00:10:31,899 It was making me feel lethargic, Your Honor. 245 00:10:31,966 --> 00:10:33,995 I understand it is for depression, Mr. Carter. 246 00:10:33,995 --> 00:10:35,640 It has the opposite effect on me. 247 00:10:35,640 --> 00:10:38,539 It makes me feel... bad. It makes me feel low. 248 00:10:38,540 --> 00:10:39,185 Your Honor, the People 249 00:10:39,186 --> 00:10:41,473 ask the Court to order Mr. Carter 250 00:10:41,540 --> 00:10:44,040 to resume taking his antidepressants. 251 00:10:44,107 --> 00:10:47,241 Both psychiatrists base their evaluations of competency 252 00:10:47,307 --> 00:10:48,907 on the assumption that you continue 253 00:10:48,974 --> 00:10:51,473 taking your medications as prescribed, Mr. Carter. 254 00:10:51,540 --> 00:10:53,274 Do you understand? Yes, Your Honor. 255 00:10:53,341 --> 00:10:54,640 If you don't comply voluntarily, 256 00:10:54,834 --> 00:10:56,906 the court will order that you be forcefully medicated 257 00:10:56,907 --> 00:11:00,274 in order to insure that you are competent to stand trial. 258 00:11:00,341 --> 00:11:01,307 Miss Porter. 259 00:11:01,373 --> 00:11:02,506 The defense has no objection. 260 00:11:02,573 --> 00:11:03,640 The People? 261 00:11:03,707 --> 00:11:05,007 The People concur, Your Honor. 262 00:11:05,074 --> 00:11:07,440 Take your meds, Mr. Carter. 263 00:11:08,540 --> 00:11:10,874 Yes, sir. 264 00:11:10,940 --> 00:11:12,807 The judge declared Carter competent to stand trial. 265 00:11:12,874 --> 00:11:14,307 No surprise. How's that working theory comg along? 266 00:11:14,373 --> 00:11:15,573 Carter was drinking heavily 267 00:11:15,640 --> 00:11:17,274 at a bar a few blocks from his niece's. 268 00:11:17,341 --> 00:11:19,341 Probably trying to get his nerve up to confront her. 269 00:11:19,440 --> 00:11:20,974 We finish deposing the family? 270 00:11:21,040 --> 00:11:23,341 Ed finally found Sheryl Carter, the older sister. 271 00:11:23,406 --> 00:11:24,707 He's interviewing her now. 272 00:11:27,540 --> 00:11:30,673 So, you don't stay in touch with your family? 273 00:11:30,740 --> 00:11:32,107 Don't exchange Christmas cards? 274 00:11:32,107 --> 00:11:33,573 Not at all. 275 00:11:33,640 --> 00:11:36,440 Okay, well, tell me about your brother anyway. 276 00:11:36,506 --> 00:11:37,940 What's to tell? 277 00:11:39,807 --> 00:11:40,506 He's screwed up. 278 00:11:40,573 --> 00:11:42,840 Compulsive, depressed, 279 00:11:43,057 --> 00:11:44,391 obsesses over stuff. 280 00:11:44,457 --> 00:11:45,857 Won't let go. 281 00:11:45,923 --> 00:11:47,290 You ever known him to be violent, 282 00:11:47,357 --> 00:11:49,124 dangerous or threatening? 283 00:11:49,190 --> 00:11:51,556 A couple times I came home from work, 284 00:11:51,623 --> 00:11:54,656 he'd broken into my house. 285 00:11:54,723 --> 00:11:56,556 Once he was in 286 00:11:56,623 --> 00:12:00,057 my bathroom, taking a bath. 287 00:12:02,290 --> 00:12:03,457 Freaked me out. 288 00:12:03,523 --> 00:12:05,124 Well, he is your brother. 289 00:12:05,190 --> 00:12:07,257 Yeah, but still. 290 00:12:07,324 --> 00:12:09,690 Don't you think it's a little weird? 291 00:12:11,491 --> 00:12:13,757 Yeah, a little. 292 00:12:13,823 --> 00:12:15,124 What did you do? 293 00:12:15,190 --> 00:12:18,157 I called Lizzie to come get him. 294 00:12:18,224 --> 00:12:20,523 I can't deal with Sam's problems. 295 00:12:20,590 --> 00:12:22,324 I have enough trouble of my own. 296 00:12:22,391 --> 00:12:24,623 Your niece seemed to get along all right with him. 297 00:12:24,690 --> 00:12:25,623 Mandy? 298 00:12:25,690 --> 00:12:27,623 Mandy was a saint. 299 00:12:27,690 --> 00:12:29,556 It's my fault. 300 00:12:29,623 --> 00:12:30,957 What is? 301 00:12:31,024 --> 00:12:33,623 I should have told her a long time ago. 302 00:12:33,690 --> 00:12:36,457 Told her what? 303 00:12:43,757 --> 00:12:47,541 Before I broke off all contact with my family 304 00:12:48,457 --> 00:12:52,623 I slept with the windows locked. 305 00:12:52,690 --> 00:12:54,424 I wouldn't even turn the air conditioner on 306 00:12:54,491 --> 00:12:55,790 in the summertime. 307 00:12:55,857 --> 00:12:57,623 Why? I was afraid 308 00:12:57,690 --> 00:13:00,424 I wouldn't be able to hear Sam if he broke into the house 309 00:13:00,491 --> 00:13:02,090 when I was home. 310 00:13:02,157 --> 00:13:06,324 You know what it's like to live that way? 311 00:13:06,391 --> 00:13:07,656 Why were you so afraid of him? 312 00:13:10,723 --> 00:13:11,740 My mother. 313 00:13:13,257 --> 00:13:15,757 My mother didn't die in a car accident. 314 00:13:18,290 --> 00:13:19,923 Sam killed her. 315 00:13:25,500 --> 00:13:26,199 14 years old 316 00:13:26,266 --> 00:13:29,332 you believe that? 317 00:13:29,833 --> 00:13:32,815 Got drunk and blew her head off with a shotgun. 318 00:13:32,816 --> 00:13:34,032 Why? 319 00:13:34,033 --> 00:13:35,733 What would lead him to do something like that? 320 00:13:35,799 --> 00:13:36,966 Did they have a fight? 321 00:13:37,033 --> 00:13:38,066 Not that I know. 322 00:13:38,133 --> 00:13:40,033 Sam was one messed-up kid. 323 00:13:40,099 --> 00:13:41,633 11, 12 years old, 324 00:13:41,700 --> 00:13:45,333 he'd ditch school and go drink with his friends. 325 00:13:45,400 --> 00:13:46,700 Come home and sleep it off. 326 00:13:46,767 --> 00:13:47,899 What did your parents do? 327 00:13:47,966 --> 00:13:48,733 Tried all kinds of things 328 00:13:48,799 --> 00:13:50,300 to straighten him out-- 329 00:13:50,366 --> 00:13:53,266 therapy, detention, none of it worked. 330 00:13:53,333 --> 00:13:55,199 Did he act out when he got drunk? 331 00:13:55,266 --> 00:13:56,999 Was he angry or violent? 332 00:13:57,066 --> 00:13:58,966 No, not back then. 333 00:14:00,533 --> 00:14:02,033 and act foolish, and forget all the stupid stuff 334 00:14:02,099 --> 00:14:03,533 he did when he was drinking. 335 00:14:03,600 --> 00:14:05,500 He had blackouts as a teenager? 336 00:14:05,566 --> 00:14:08,133 He and I both had our share of lost weekends, 337 00:14:08,199 --> 00:14:09,366 before we cleaned up our acts. 338 00:14:09,433 --> 00:14:11,066 The difference is, 339 00:14:11,133 --> 00:14:13,767 I never drank a drop until the day my mama was killed. 340 00:14:13,832 --> 00:14:15,300 Tell me about that day. 341 00:14:15,366 --> 00:14:16,932 I came home from school. 342 00:14:16,999 --> 00:14:20,333 I remember, I was really happy for a change. 343 00:14:20,400 --> 00:14:22,966 I'd gotten an A on a history exam. 344 00:14:23,033 --> 00:14:24,466 I came up the street. 345 00:14:25,983 --> 00:14:27,300 Cops were there. 346 00:14:27,366 --> 00:14:30,932 Sam was on the front lawn covered in my mama's blood. 347 00:14:30,999 --> 00:14:34,199 Daddy told me since I was the oldest, 348 00:14:34,266 --> 00:14:36,767 I had to take care of Jordan and Diane. 349 00:14:36,832 --> 00:14:38,799 Mandy's mother? Yes. 350 00:14:38,866 --> 00:14:41,533 Daddy told me I couldn't ever, ever tell them 351 00:14:41,600 --> 00:14:42,633 what Sam had done. 352 00:14:42,700 --> 00:14:43,932 And you were how old? 353 00:14:43,999 --> 00:14:45,866 17. 354 00:14:45,932 --> 00:14:48,733 Diane was 16, Jordan was the baby. 355 00:14:48,799 --> 00:14:50,366 That must have been impossible. 356 00:14:50,433 --> 00:14:51,832 I dropped out of school. 357 00:14:51,899 --> 00:14:55,300 All the lying I had to do, I couldn't concentrate. 358 00:14:55,366 --> 00:14:57,932 Jordan and Diane knew I was acting weird. 359 00:14:57,999 --> 00:15:00,700 They used to ask me what was wrong, but I couldn't tell them. 360 00:15:00,767 --> 00:15:02,633 So Jordan and Diane never knew. 361 00:15:02,700 --> 00:15:03,932 Right. 362 00:15:03,999 --> 00:15:05,233 Then Mandy never knew. 363 00:15:05,300 --> 00:15:07,199 She had no reason no to trust her Uncle Sam. 364 00:15:07,266 --> 00:15:09,333 Daddy swore he was better. 365 00:15:09,400 --> 00:15:11,033 I didn't know. 366 00:15:11,099 --> 00:15:13,667 It was just easier for me to stay away from all of them. 367 00:15:15,133 --> 00:15:17,600 But I should have told her. 368 00:15:17,667 --> 00:15:18,999 I should have. 369 00:15:19,066 --> 00:15:20,033 Why didn't you? 370 00:15:20,099 --> 00:15:23,066 I was worried that 371 00:15:23,133 --> 00:15:24,932 if I made her afraid of Sam, 372 00:15:24,999 --> 00:15:28,233 and she pushed him away, it'd set him off. 373 00:15:28,300 --> 00:15:30,667 He'd kill somebody again. 374 00:15:32,733 --> 00:15:34,649 So what happened? 375 00:15:34,649 --> 00:15:35,932 The very thing 376 00:15:35,999 --> 00:15:39,799 I worried about all my life came true after all. 377 00:15:42,666 --> 00:15:44,966 I don't know about you, I got kids. 378 00:15:45,033 --> 00:15:47,333 A parent's worst nightmare, a kid dies. 379 00:15:47,400 --> 00:15:50,532 I personally think it'd be worse if they did something like this, killed somebody. 380 00:15:50,599 --> 00:15:52,233 How'd it go down? 381 00:15:52,300 --> 00:15:53,733 Neighbor called it in. 382 00:15:53,799 --> 00:15:56,632 We found the son passed out cold, covered in blood, 383 00:15:56,699 --> 00:15:58,266 shotgun next to him. 384 00:15:58,333 --> 00:16:00,966 The mom was upstairs in her bedroom dead, finito. 385 00:16:01,033 --> 00:16:02,066 Why'd he shoot her? 386 00:16:02,133 --> 00:16:03,133 House was torn up. 387 00:16:03,200 --> 00:16:04,766 Looked like a burglary. 388 00:16:04,833 --> 00:16:05,833 We thought maybe the kid had an accomplice, 389 00:16:05,899 --> 00:16:07,499 they ransacked the place. 390 00:16:07,566 --> 00:16:08,966 You think mom came home, surprised Carter 391 00:16:09,033 --> 00:16:10,100 and his pal going through her things? 392 00:16:10,166 --> 00:16:11,166 That was the working theory. 393 00:16:11,233 --> 00:16:12,200 Carter a kid on drugs? 394 00:16:12,266 --> 00:16:13,566 Most definitely. 395 00:16:13,632 --> 00:16:14,599 Drugs and booze. 396 00:16:14,666 --> 00:16:15,666 We'd been to the house before. 397 00:16:15,733 --> 00:16:17,133 The kid was trouble. 398 00:16:17,200 --> 00:16:18,499 I had complaints from the neighbors-- kid drunk, 399 00:16:18,566 --> 00:16:19,833 puking on their lawns. 400 00:16:19,899 --> 00:16:20,933 Why'd you think there was another kid? 401 00:16:21,000 --> 00:16:22,599 Her jewelry was missing. 402 00:16:22,666 --> 00:16:23,899 Husband filed an insurance claim. 403 00:16:23,966 --> 00:16:25,200 What was Carter's story? 404 00:16:25,266 --> 00:16:26,233 Said he had a blackout. 405 00:16:26,300 --> 00:16:27,599 Couldn't remember a thing. 406 00:16:27,666 --> 00:16:29,033 Been drinking all afternoon, 407 00:16:29,100 --> 00:16:31,200 couldn't remember where or with who? You believe him? 408 00:16:31,266 --> 00:16:32,733 He was drinking all right. 409 00:16:32,799 --> 00:16:34,033 He was stink-o. 410 00:16:34,100 --> 00:16:35,599 The blackout? 411 00:16:35,666 --> 00:16:37,066 OL Just a kid's lame alibi. 412 00:16:37,133 --> 00:16:38,300 He couldn't come up with anything better 413 00:16:38,367 --> 00:16:39,799 on the spur of the moment. 414 00:16:39,866 --> 00:16:41,233 He never gave up his accomplice, though. 415 00:16:41,300 --> 00:16:43,066 There you go. You got to give him that. 416 00:16:43,133 --> 00:16:44,467 For a falling down drunk, 417 00:16:44,532 --> 00:16:46,400 he was a standup guy. 418 00:16:46,467 --> 00:16:48,632 Where was the rest of the family? 419 00:16:48,699 --> 00:16:49,933 We called Mr. Carter at work. 420 00:16:50,000 --> 00:16:51,899 He didn't say a word the whole ride. 421 00:16:51,966 --> 00:16:53,467 I think he already knew. 422 00:16:53,532 --> 00:16:56,033 He wasn't surprised to see his 14-year-old kid in handcuffs, 423 00:16:56,100 --> 00:16:57,866 covered in blood, charged with his mother's murder? 424 00:16:57,933 --> 00:16:59,599 It was like he'd been expecting it. 425 00:17:07,066 --> 00:17:11,033 Sheryl told us your son killed his mother. 426 00:17:11,100 --> 00:17:14,599 Thank you. 427 00:17:14,666 --> 00:17:17,699 Sam was not in his right mind when he did that. 428 00:17:17,766 --> 00:17:20,266 Because of his age, he was never charged with her murder. 429 00:17:20,333 --> 00:17:23,333 They sent him to a psychiatric facility for a year. 430 00:17:23,400 --> 00:17:25,833 25 years ago, kids weren't tried as adults. 431 00:17:25,899 --> 00:17:27,300 Sam had no idea what he had done. 432 00:17:27,367 --> 00:17:27,532 It's a-a terrible thing to have the kind 433 00:17:29,166 --> 00:17:33,499 of problem that Sam had, major depression. 434 00:17:33,566 --> 00:17:36,666 I did everything I could to try and make him better, 435 00:17:36,733 --> 00:17:38,400 like quit a good job, 436 00:17:38,467 --> 00:17:40,933 move the family to Michigan when he was released. 437 00:17:41,000 --> 00:17:42,333 You even changed your name. 438 00:17:42,400 --> 00:17:45,000 We picked that up when we ran the background check. 439 00:17:45,066 --> 00:17:47,333 All so Sam would have a fresh start. 440 00:17:47,400 --> 00:17:48,766 That's what you call a fresh start? 441 00:17:50,033 --> 00:17:51,833 25 years of lies? 442 00:17:54,532 --> 00:17:56,532 My sister Sheryl called out of the blue with 443 00:17:56,599 --> 00:17:58,532 some crazy story about Sam and Mom. 444 00:17:58,599 --> 00:18:00,499 Sheryl's not exactly a reliable source, 445 00:18:00,566 --> 00:18:01,966 so I thought I'd come to you. 446 00:18:02,033 --> 00:18:03,300 I'm so sorry, Jordan. 447 00:18:03,367 --> 00:18:04,400 It's true. 448 00:18:07,367 --> 00:18:10,233 This is a copy of the police report. 449 00:18:12,133 --> 00:18:13,233 My God. 450 00:18:16,532 --> 00:18:18,733 My God. 451 00:18:20,699 --> 00:18:22,133 How could they have kept this from me? 452 00:18:23,532 --> 00:18:28,166 My father has been lying to me my entire life. 453 00:18:28,233 --> 00:18:30,899 Now, I had a right to know about this. 454 00:18:30,966 --> 00:18:32,666 Yeah, you did. 455 00:18:32,733 --> 00:18:35,133 You know, I barely remember my mother. 456 00:18:35,200 --> 00:18:36,966 I hardly had a picture of her, even. 457 00:18:37,033 --> 00:18:39,100 Z@ After she died, one day Daddy just 458 00:18:39,166 --> 00:18:41,499 gave all her stuff away. 459 00:18:41,566 --> 00:18:43,400 The girls got her clothes. 460 00:18:43,467 --> 00:18:47,033 The girls got her jewelry. 461 00:18:47,100 --> 00:18:49,799 I didn't get anything to remember her by. 462 00:18:51,632 --> 00:18:53,699 Not one damn thing. 463 00:18:56,933 --> 00:18:58,566 What's your angle? 464 00:18:58,633 --> 00:19:02,167 One was a shooting, the other a stabbing, 25 years apart. 465 00:19:02,233 --> 00:19:03,599 It's unlikely we can get a murder 466 00:19:03,666 --> 00:19:05,100 he committed as a juvenile into evidence. 467 00:19:05,167 --> 00:19:06,533 We'll use it out of court, 468 00:19:06,599 --> 00:19:08,181 rattle the family's cage with it. 469 00:19:08,182 --> 00:19:10,383 They might want to avoid making the mother's murder public. 470 00:19:10,449 --> 00:19:11,683 You want me to offer them a deal? 471 00:19:11,750 --> 00:19:13,050 Let me take a run at them. 472 00:19:14,017 --> 00:19:16,883 Your client pleads to manslaughter, 473 00:19:16,950 --> 00:19:19,017 12 years, it's a gift. 474 00:19:19,083 --> 00:19:20,216 Some gift. 475 00:19:20,282 --> 00:19:21,850 Well, he hasn't exactly been 476 00:19:21,916 --> 00:19:23,017 candid with you 477 00:19:23,083 --> 00:19:24,017 about his past probls 478 00:19:24,083 --> 00:19:25,650 with alcohol and violence. 479 00:19:25,716 --> 00:19:27,017 What past problems? 480 00:19:27,083 --> 00:19:28,282 He's done this sort of thing before. 481 00:19:28,349 --> 00:19:29,316 He's done what before? 482 00:19:29,383 --> 00:19:30,916 What are you talking about? 483 00:19:30,983 --> 00:19:31,650 Tell your attorney about your mother. 484 00:19:31,716 --> 00:19:33,149 My mother? 485 00:19:33,216 --> 00:19:34,650 When you were a teenager, Mr. Carter. 486 00:19:34,716 --> 00:19:36,449 My mother died in a car accident. 487 00:19:38,850 --> 00:19:40,816 How do you think a jury's going to feel when they find out 488 00:19:40,883 --> 00:19:42,850 that he shot his mother when he was 14 489 00:19:42,916 --> 00:19:44,215 during an alcoholic blackout. 490 00:19:44,216 --> 00:19:45,716 They won't. 491 00:19:45,783 --> 00:19:49,850 Even if this is true, it has no bearing on the current case. 492 00:19:49,916 --> 00:19:52,149 Oh, it parallels the murder of his niece exactly. 493 00:19:52,216 --> 00:19:54,683 He murders a female family member 494 00:19:54,683 --> 00:19:57,216 under the influence, and then claims insanity. 495 00:19:57,282 --> 00:19:58,549 You'll never get it into evidence. 496 00:19:58,616 --> 00:19:59,950 It's bound to come out in the press. 497 00:20:00,017 --> 00:20:01,149 Are you threatening us? 498 00:20:01,216 --> 00:20:02,883 I'm urging you client to consider 499 00:20:02,950 --> 00:20:04,216 what he's put his family through. 500 00:20:04,282 --> 00:20:05,883 Take the deal, Mr. Carter. 501 00:20:05,950 --> 00:20:07,216 Let's put this to rest. 502 00:20:07,282 --> 00:20:09,050 I'm doing what they want me to do. 503 00:20:09,117 --> 00:20:12,483 Let's see what Judge Crenshaw has to say. 504 00:20:14,650 --> 00:20:17,383 The people's motion to admit the prior homicide as evidence 505 00:20:17,449 --> 00:20:19,916 in the current trial is denied. 506 00:20:19,983 --> 00:20:21,650 At this time, Your Honor, the defense would like 507 00:20:21,716 --> 00:20:23,950 the motion to include Mr.Carter's prior homicide. 508 00:20:24,017 --> 00:20:24,149 Your Honor, you just ruled to exclude it. 509 00:20:26,083 --> 00:20:28,017 What is the defense up to? 510 00:20:28,083 --> 00:20:29,650 If you would reconsider, Your Honor? 511 00:20:29,716 --> 00:20:31,516 What's on your mind, Ms. Porter? Why the change of heart? 512 00:20:31,583 --> 00:20:34,483 The prosecution wanted to include the homicide Mr. Carter 513 00:20:34,549 --> 00:20:36,816 committed as a juvenile as a prior bad act. 514 00:20:36,883 --> 00:20:40,149 The defense's position is that the homicide 515 00:20:40,216 --> 00:20:41,683 demonstrates the length and severity 516 00:20:41,750 --> 00:20:44,050 of Mr. Carter's illness. 517 00:20:44,117 --> 00:20:46,416 Mr. Carter is now, and has been since an early age, 518 00:20:46,483 --> 00:20:47,816 subject to psychotic depression. 519 00:20:47,883 --> 00:20:49,883 I grasp the distinction. 520 00:20:49,950 --> 00:20:51,083 The first is prejudicial, 521 00:20:51,149 --> 00:20:53,050 the second forms the basis of his plea. 522 00:20:53,117 --> 00:20:54,282 The defense would also like to motion 523 00:20:54,349 --> 00:20:55,483 to include Mr. Carter's 524 00:20:55,549 --> 00:20:57,149 medical records 525 00:20:57,216 --> 00:20:58,516 from the Corin Psychiatric Institute for Juveniles. 526 00:20:58,583 --> 00:21:00,716 Mr. Conlon, anything you'd like to add? 527 00:21:00,783 --> 00:21:02,883 The people have no objection to its inclusion, Your Honor. 528 00:21:02,950 --> 00:21:04,616 It was our idea in the first place. 529 00:21:04,683 --> 00:21:07,282 Then I'll allow the prior homicide and juvenile records. 530 00:21:10,316 --> 00:21:12,117 The defense has the burden of proof. 531 00:21:12,182 --> 00:21:14,316 Porter's just trying to bolster 532 00:21:14,383 --> 00:21:15,516 the insanity plea anyway she can. 533 00:21:15,583 --> 00:21:17,149 They want to use his year 534 00:21:17,216 --> 00:21:18,683 in a juvenile psych ward as evidence of his insanity. 535 00:21:18,750 --> 00:21:20,017 We can just as easily argue 536 00:21:20,083 --> 00:21:22,083 he benefited from being institutionalized. 537 00:21:22,182 --> 00:21:23,783 I think basically in the end, 538 00:21:23,850 --> 00:21:26,149 it'll come down to how Sam Carter does on the stand. 539 00:21:26,216 --> 00:21:27,616 You're taking a risk by putting him on. 540 00:21:27,683 --> 00:21:29,816 It's odd, the defense going first. 541 00:21:29,883 --> 00:21:31,583 Sort of like opposite day. 542 00:21:34,050 --> 00:21:35,816 You guys never did opposite day at your house? 543 00:21:35,883 --> 00:21:36,916 Have dinner for breakfast, 544 00:21:36,983 --> 00:21:38,249 and then end the day 545 00:21:38,316 --> 00:21:39,916 with pancakes and maple syrup? 546 00:21:39,983 --> 00:21:41,549 I think my wife did that once with our daughter. 547 00:21:41,616 --> 00:21:42,549 At my house, 548 00:21:42,616 --> 00:21:43,850 every day was stay-on-track- 549 00:21:43,916 --> 00:21:45,349 no-matter-what,-Maureen Day. 550 00:21:46,100 --> 00:21:47,033 Speaking of staying 551 00:21:47,100 --> 00:21:48,999 on track, get with Dr. Perrin 552 00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:50,832 review the interview she did with Sam Carter 553 00:21:50,833 --> 00:21:52,267 for his competency hearing. 554 00:21:54,500 --> 00:22:00,133 Amanda called that night and said that she was moving away. 555 00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:03,233 It made me feel so bad inside. 556 00:22:03,300 --> 00:22:05,534 I wanted a drink so badly 557 00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:07,500 so I could stop thinking about it. 558 00:22:07,567 --> 00:22:09,734 And I kept coming back to the same thought. 559 00:22:09,801 --> 00:22:15,167 I've got to stop Mandy from leaving. 560 00:22:15,233 --> 00:22:17,567 So I went over to her place, just to talk. 561 00:22:17,634 --> 00:22:20,267 There's nothing Mr. Carter said in this session 562 00:22:20,334 --> 00:22:22,334 that indicates he experienced disassociation 563 00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:23,500 when he killed his niece. 564 00:22:23,567 --> 00:22:25,167 Did he lose touch with reality? 565 00:22:25,233 --> 00:22:27,534 Blacking out doesn't involve nv losing contact with reality. 566 00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:29,966 The person experiences amnesia, yes, 567 00:22:30,033 --> 00:22:32,367 but he's still in contact with his surroundings. 568 00:22:32,434 --> 00:22:34,534 So, he's not halucinating or hearing voices? 569 00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:35,833 No, that's something different. 570 00:22:35,900 --> 00:22:37,667 A psychotic break. 571 00:22:37,734 --> 00:22:39,400 The defense is arguing just that. 572 00:22:39,467 --> 00:22:41,200 Could alcohol have triggered 573 00:22:41,267 --> 00:22:42,233 a psychotic break? 574 00:22:42,300 --> 00:22:43,500 I see no evidence of that. 575 00:22:43,567 --> 00:22:45,000 They're trying to use 576 00:22:45,067 --> 00:22:46,667 his mother's murder to argue 577 00:22:46,734 --> 00:22:48,933 that he's been psychotic since he was a teenager. 578 00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:51,833 There are many cases of teenagers killing their parents. 579 00:22:51,900 --> 00:22:53,434 They're angry, they're impulsive. 580 00:22:53,500 --> 00:22:54,567 It doesn't mean 581 00:22:54,634 --> 00:22:55,634 they're psychotic. 582 00:22:55,701 --> 00:22:57,300 What we do know about Carter 583 00:22:57,367 --> 00:23:00,167 is that alcohol abuse was involved in his mother's murder. 584 00:23:00,233 --> 00:23:03,600 And alcohol abuse led to the stabbing of his niece. 585 00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:07,397 When he's had a few drinks sam carter become a loaded weaon 586 00:23:12,800 --> 00:23:14,160 During the last several months 587 00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:16,827 has your husband's behavior changed in any way? 588 00:23:16,894 --> 00:23:19,761 I knew what to expect from Sam around that time of year. 589 00:23:20,677 --> 00:23:23,410 It's the anniversary of his mother's death. 590 00:23:23,477 --> 00:23:24,911 And so I would make sure 591 00:23:24,978 --> 00:23:27,844 that Sam was taking his anti-depressants. 592 00:23:27,911 --> 00:23:29,644 But this time it was really bad. 593 00:23:29,711 --> 00:23:30,910 In what way? 594 00:23:30,911 --> 00:23:32,644 He hardly ate anything. 595 00:23:32,711 --> 00:23:35,344 He'd be in his pajamas all day, 596 00:23:35,410 --> 00:23:37,744 sitting on the couch, wringing his hands 597 00:23:37,811 --> 00:23:39,511 and listening to the same CD 598 00:23:39,577 --> 00:23:41,644 over and over until I thought I'd scream. 599 00:23:41,711 --> 00:23:44,277 Did you know what he had done to his mother? 600 00:23:46,944 --> 00:23:49,277 bu No, he never told me what he did. 601 00:23:49,344 --> 00:23:51,244 The night your niece was murdered, 602 00:23:51,310 --> 00:23:52,477 she called your house. 603 00:23:54,210 --> 00:23:56,544 To tell us that she was engaged. 604 00:23:56,611 --> 00:23:59,878 That she and her fiance would be leaving town. 605 00:23:59,944 --> 00:24:01,844 How did your husband react? 606 00:24:01,911 --> 00:24:03,711 He was upset. 607 00:24:03,777 --> 00:24:06,244 I was worried that he would fall off the wagon. 608 00:24:06,310 --> 00:24:09,711 What happens when your husband drinks? 609 00:24:09,777 --> 00:24:12,511 He has blackouts. 610 00:24:12,577 --> 00:24:15,511 Mrs. Carter, of the 15 years you've been married, 611 00:24:15,577 --> 00:24:17,043 has your husband been depressed often? 612 00:24:17,110 --> 00:24:18,310 Often. 613 00:24:18,377 --> 00:24:19,944 Especially around the anniversary 614 00:24:20,043 --> 00:24:21,377 of his mother's death. 615 00:24:21,444 --> 00:24:21,611 And during those depressions, 616 00:24:22,777 --> 00:24:24,043 especially the worst ones 617 00:24:24,110 --> 00:24:25,611 around those anniversaries, 618 00:24:25,677 --> 00:24:29,978 has your husband ever been ejected from a movie theater 619 00:24:30,043 --> 00:24:31,744 or a restaurant because 620 00:24:31,811 --> 00:24:33,077 he couldn't conform his conduct 621 00:24:33,143 --> 00:24:35,110 to socially-acceptable standards? 622 00:24:35,177 --> 00:24:36,711 No. Has he ever been arrested? 623 00:24:36,777 --> 00:24:38,511 No. Traffic tickets? 624 00:24:38,577 --> 00:24:40,811 Moving violations? DWIs? 625 00:24:40,878 --> 00:24:42,077 No. 626 00:24:42,143 --> 00:24:43,644 Have you ever called the police to your house? 627 00:24:43,711 --> 00:24:44,711 No. 628 00:24:44,777 --> 00:24:45,944 Ever afraid for your safety? 629 00:24:49,177 --> 00:24:50,377 No. 630 00:24:50,444 --> 00:24:52,043 That's all, thank you. 631 00:24:52,110 --> 00:24:55,444 Mr. Carter is suffering with major depression 632 00:24:55,511 --> 00:24:56,944 with psychotic features. 633 00:24:57,010 --> 00:24:58,677 What symptoms are we talking about? 634 00:24:58,744 --> 00:25:00,511 Sadness, thoughts of 635 00:25:00,577 --> 00:25:02,177 extreme guilt, insomnia, 636 00:25:02,244 --> 00:25:03,677 agitated behavior, 637 00:25:03,744 --> 00:25:06,210 pacing, compulsive and frequent hand washing. 638 00:25:06,277 --> 00:25:07,744 And the psychotic part of the depression? 639 00:25:07,811 --> 00:25:09,277 A loss of contact with reality, 640 00:25:09,344 --> 00:25:12,878 manifested by delusions or hallucinations 641 00:25:12,944 --> 00:25:13,978 that are consistent with 642 00:25:14,043 --> 00:25:15,244 the theme of a depression. 643 00:25:15,310 --> 00:25:16,577 When you asked Mr. Carter 644 00:25:16,644 --> 00:25:18,143 to describe the night he killed his niece, 645 00:25:18,210 --> 00:25:20,143 how would you characterize his mental state? 646 00:25:20,210 --> 00:25:21,444 He was delusional. 647 00:25:21,511 --> 00:25:23,477 He had lost contact with reality. 648 00:25:23,544 --> 00:25:27,210 Did his mental state rise to the condition of legal insanity 649 00:25:27,277 --> 00:25:28,677 as defined by Indiana statute? 650 00:25:28,744 --> 00:25:30,110 In my opinion, yes. 651 00:25:30,177 --> 00:25:32,577 Is the murder of Mr. Carter's niece 652 00:25:32,644 --> 00:25:34,811 connected to the murder of his mother? 653 00:25:34,878 --> 00:25:36,677 As I said, Mr. Carter suffers from psychotic depression. 654 00:25:36,744 --> 00:25:37,944 The night of his niece's murder, 655 00:25:38,010 --> 00:25:39,811 his psychotic break was triggered 656 00:25:39,878 --> 00:25:41,244 by heavy alcohol consumption. 657 00:25:41,310 --> 00:25:42,477 I believe something similar happened 658 00:25:42,544 --> 00:25:44,077 when he killed his mother. 659 00:25:44,143 --> 00:25:45,978 Did he know what he was doing at the time of that killing? 660 00:25:46,043 --> 00:25:47,644 In my estimation, no. 661 00:25:47,711 --> 00:25:49,110 And when he killed his niece? 662 00:25:49,177 --> 00:25:50,777 I believe he had no consciousness 663 00:25:50,777 --> 00:25:53,677 of what he was doing at the time and no memory of its aftermath. 664 00:25:53,744 --> 00:25:55,277 Thank you. 665 00:25:55,344 --> 00:25:56,577 MAUREEN: {i1}Dr. Wolfe...{i} 666 00:25:56,644 --> 00:25:59,511 what percentage of homicides in this country 667 00:25:59,577 --> 00:26:02,477 are connected to alcohol abuse on the part of the offender? 668 00:26:02,544 --> 00:26:06,477 The number's quite high, between 80 and 85 percent. 669 00:26:06,544 --> 00:26:09,277 So would it be accurate to say, based on multiple studies, 670 00:26:09,344 --> 00:26:13,177 that violence, homicide and alcohol consumption are linked? 671 00:26:13,244 --> 00:26:14,978 That is correct. Isn't it possible, 672 00:26:15,043 --> 00:26:17,944 even likely, that Mr. Carter wasn't delusional 673 00:26:18,010 --> 00:26:18,944 when he killed his niece? 674 00:26:19,010 --> 00:26:20,878 That because he'd been drinking, 675 00:26:20,944 --> 00:26:22,944 he acted on his violent impulses? 676 00:26:23,010 --> 00:26:25,377 That would be one interpretation, but not mine. 677 00:26:25,444 --> 00:26:27,978 According to you, he was delusional? Correct. 678 00:26:28,043 --> 00:26:30,777 We have only Mr. Carter's word for what he was thinking 679 00:26:30,844 --> 00:26:32,577 when he went over to his niece's apartment. 680 00:26:32,644 --> 00:26:34,277 He's been totally consistent 681 00:26:34,344 --> 00:26:36,444 with all the mental health experts he's dealt with. 682 00:26:36,661 --> 00:26:38,460 He's told the same story to all of them. 683 00:26:38,527 --> 00:26:40,094 His story's been consistent. 684 00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:41,794 Yes. As consistent 685 00:26:41,861 --> 00:26:44,193 as the lie he's been telling for the past 25 years 686 00:26:44,260 --> 00:26:45,427 about the death of his mother? 687 00:26:45,494 --> 00:26:48,293 That she died in a car accident? 688 00:26:51,094 --> 00:26:54,227 Your brother killed your mother when he was 14. 689 00:26:54,293 --> 00:26:55,827 Yes. 690 00:26:55,894 --> 00:26:58,761 A fact of which you were unaware until he murdered your niece. 691 00:26:58,827 --> 00:27:00,538 My family kept it from me, yes. 692 00:27:00,538 --> 00:27:02,405 Every year, he's severely depressed 693 00:27:02,471 --> 00:27:04,239 on the anniversary of your mother's death. 694 00:27:04,306 --> 00:27:05,438 Sam always managed 695 00:27:05,505 --> 00:27:07,605 to do okay with his medication. 696 00:27:07,672 --> 00:27:09,705 Did you witness any unusual behavior on your brother's part, 697 00:27:09,772 --> 00:27:11,405 prior to his murdering his niece? 698 00:27:11,471 --> 00:27:13,572 None that I can recall. Was there alcohol 699 00:27:13,638 --> 00:27:16,505 at the family dinner the night your niece was murdered? 700 00:27:16,572 --> 00:27:18,338 My father enjoys a good bottle of wine. 701 00:27:18,405 --> 00:27:19,338 We all do. 702 00:27:19,405 --> 00:27:20,605 Did your brother 703 00:27:20,672 --> 00:27:21,738 Sam drink any? 704 00:27:21,805 --> 00:27:22,839 No ,He knows he can't 705 00:27:22,905 --> 00:27:24,572 mix alcohol with his medication. 706 00:27:24,638 --> 00:27:26,306 He knows better. Yes. 707 00:27:26,371 --> 00:27:28,272 But he was upset about Mandy's engagement. 708 00:27:28,306 --> 00:27:29,638 I talked to him. 709 00:27:29,705 --> 00:27:31,638 I told him he ought to go to a meeting, 710 00:27:31,705 --> 00:27:33,538 and so I drove him to one, about midnight. 711 00:27:33,605 --> 00:27:35,105 And did you pick him up after? 712 00:27:35,172 --> 00:27:38,139 No, he said he would catch a ride home with someone, or walk. 713 00:27:38,206 --> 00:27:40,972 But instead, he went drinking and then went to see his niece. 714 00:27:41,039 --> 00:27:42,505 Yes. 715 00:27:42,572 --> 00:27:45,338 In the last several months, 716 00:27:45,505 --> 00:27:48,939 did you ever stay over at your brother's house? 717 00:27:49,005 --> 00:27:50,505 No. 718 00:27:50,571 --> 00:27:53,406 So you were not aware of his deteriorating mental state? 719 00:27:53,471 --> 00:27:54,172 Objection. 720 00:27:54,239 --> 00:27:55,272 Sustained. 721 00:27:55,339 --> 00:27:56,638 So you were not aware 722 00:27:56,805 --> 00:28:00,571 of how long it took your brother's wife 723 00:28:00,638 --> 00:28:02,205 to convince him to eat a meal, 724 00:28:02,272 --> 00:28:04,406 or comb his hair, or sleep for a couple of hours, 725 00:28:04,472 --> 00:28:07,272 instead of staring endlessly at his computer screen, 726 00:28:07,339 --> 00:28:10,372 and listening to the same CD over and over? 727 00:28:10,439 --> 00:28:11,638 Objection. Facts not in evidence. 728 00:28:11,705 --> 00:28:12,905 Sustained. 729 00:28:14,172 --> 00:28:15,272 CONLON: {i1}Counselor.{i} 730 00:28:15,339 --> 00:28:17,139 Mr. Conlon. 731 00:28:17,205 --> 00:28:18,905 Set yourself a hell of challenge. 732 00:28:18,972 --> 00:28:20,105 Regretting it? 733 00:28:20,172 --> 00:28:21,972 I could hardly do otherwise. 734 00:28:22,039 --> 00:28:23,406 My client's the real deal. 735 00:28:23,472 --> 00:28:25,272 Just depressed like the rest of us. 736 00:28:25,339 --> 00:28:27,638 According to Dr. Wolfe, he's delusional. 737 00:28:27,705 --> 00:28:30,105 Well, our expert witness begged to differ. 738 00:28:30,172 --> 00:28:34,506 I don't think your Dr. Perrin turned the jury around. 739 00:28:34,571 --> 00:28:35,838 I still have the edge. 740 00:28:35,905 --> 00:28:37,272 Now who's delusional? 741 00:28:37,339 --> 00:28:38,439 And you're putting him on the stand. 742 00:28:38,506 --> 00:28:40,972 Carter is genuinely unstable. 743 00:28:41,039 --> 00:28:43,305 I think the jury will find him very sympathetic. 744 00:28:43,372 --> 00:28:46,039 The jury expects to see someone talking to themselves 745 00:28:46,105 --> 00:28:47,406 and fighting imaginary dragons. 746 00:28:47,472 --> 00:28:48,872 Anything less, 747 00:28:48,938 --> 00:28:50,406 he knew damn well what he was doing. 748 00:28:50,472 --> 00:28:52,872 And so do I. 749 00:28:52,938 --> 00:28:55,305 When your niece called to tell you she was getting married, 750 00:28:55,406 --> 00:28:56,406 how did you react? 751 00:28:56,472 --> 00:28:58,172 It made me angry. 752 00:28:59,589 --> 00:29:01,011 I didn't want to think about it. 753 00:29:01,012 --> 00:29:02,211 What did you do? 754 00:29:02,278 --> 00:29:03,311 I went to a meeting. 755 00:29:03,378 --> 00:29:05,144 But then I left. 756 00:29:05,311 --> 00:29:06,812 I was restless. 757 00:29:06,878 --> 00:29:08,179 I went to a bar. 758 00:29:08,244 --> 00:29:09,445 You went to a bar. 759 00:29:09,511 --> 00:29:11,445 Did you have a drink? 760 00:29:11,511 --> 00:29:12,545 Three or four shots, yes. 761 00:29:12,611 --> 00:29:14,179 We heard testimony 762 00:29:14,244 --> 00:29:15,311 from the bartender that night 763 00:29:15,378 --> 00:29:16,778 who said you had six or seven. 764 00:29:16,845 --> 00:29:19,145 That you were, in his words, 765 00:29:19,211 --> 00:29:20,578 "sloppy drunk." 766 00:29:20,645 --> 00:29:22,411 It could've happened. 767 00:29:23,678 --> 00:29:25,411 I don't remember. 768 00:29:25,478 --> 00:29:29,511 You'd been sober for 14 years. 769 00:29:29,578 --> 00:29:31,278 Why did you take a drink that night? 770 00:29:33,978 --> 00:29:35,645 So I could stop the thoughts. 771 00:29:37,244 --> 00:29:40,045 What kind of thoughts? 772 00:29:40,112 --> 00:29:41,878 About my mother. 773 00:29:41,945 --> 00:29:44,378 Thinking about how she died. 774 00:29:44,445 --> 00:29:46,678 What they said I did to her. 775 00:29:46,745 --> 00:29:51,645 Sometimes the thoughts keep coming no matter what I do. 776 00:29:51,712 --> 00:29:54,745 The thoughts keep coming back to me. 777 00:29:54,812 --> 00:29:58,812 And Mandy made me feel better, like... 778 00:29:58,878 --> 00:30:00,578 my mother. 779 00:30:03,112 --> 00:30:06,545 And... like a little part of her was still here. 780 00:30:06,611 --> 00:30:10,244 I didn't want her to go. I had to go and see her. 781 00:30:10,311 --> 00:30:11,745 So you went to Mandy's place? 782 00:30:11,812 --> 00:30:12,812 Yes. 783 00:30:12,878 --> 00:30:15,012 Was she glad to see you? 784 00:30:15,079 --> 00:30:18,378 She seemed confused. 785 00:30:18,378 --> 00:30:20,145 I think I woke her up. 786 00:30:20,211 --> 00:30:22,045 Then what happened? 787 00:30:22,045 --> 00:30:23,344 I started talking to her, 788 00:30:23,411 --> 00:30:27,012 and I told her I didn't want her to leave. 789 00:30:27,079 --> 00:30:28,645 How did she react? 790 00:30:28,712 --> 00:30:32,179 She started acting like she was afraid of me, 791 00:30:32,244 --> 00:30:33,611 li I was crazy, 792 00:30:33,678 --> 00:30:35,945 and not making any sense. 793 00:30:36,012 --> 00:30:37,878 She wasn't listening to me anymore. 794 00:30:37,945 --> 00:30:39,445 And then what happened? 795 00:30:40,678 --> 00:30:42,028 I don't remember. 796 00:30:42,311 --> 00:30:47,179 What is the next thing you do remember about that night? 797 00:30:47,244 --> 00:30:51,778 I was waking up at my desk, 798 00:30:51,845 --> 00:30:54,145 and the police were arresting me for Mandy's murder. 799 00:30:56,079 --> 00:30:58,511 Thank you. 800 00:30:58,578 --> 00:31:00,244 Mr. Carter, 801 00:31:00,311 --> 00:31:02,878 when you were at the bar with these thoughts of your mother 802 00:31:02,945 --> 00:31:05,478 and Mandy racing through your brain, 803 00:31:05,545 --> 00:31:07,778 why didn't you call your wife to come pick you up, 804 00:31:07,845 --> 00:31:09,542 instead of having yet one more drink? 805 00:31:09,542 --> 00:31:10,843 I wish that I had. 806 00:31:10,909 --> 00:31:13,477 You have no memory of taking 807 00:31:13,542 --> 00:31:14,943 a kitchen knife and stabbing 808 00:31:15,010 --> 00:31:16,609 your niece to death that night? 809 00:31:16,676 --> 00:31:18,310 Oh, no, ma'am. 810 00:31:18,377 --> 00:31:19,676 Well, that's convenient, isn't it? 811 00:31:19,743 --> 00:31:20,976 Objection, Your Honor. 812 00:31:21,043 --> 00:31:22,076 Sustained. 813 00:31:22,143 --> 00:31:23,609 memory of taking a shower 814 00:31:23,676 --> 00:31:27,377 after killing her to wash off the blood. No, ma'am. 815 00:31:27,443 --> 00:31:29,410 I find that very hard to believe, Mr. Carter. Your Honor. 816 00:31:29,477 --> 00:31:31,509 Do you have a question for the witness, Ms. Chase? 817 00:31:31,576 --> 00:31:33,743 You remember going there that night, 818 00:31:33,809 --> 00:31:35,110 you remember talking to your niece. 819 00:31:35,176 --> 00:31:36,576 You even remember what you said. Yes, ma'am. 820 00:31:36,642 --> 00:31:39,143 not remember the crucial event of that night, 821 00:31:39,210 --> 00:31:40,343 killing your niece. 822 00:31:40,410 --> 00:31:42,043 No, ma'am, I don't. 823 00:31:42,110 --> 00:31:44,010 No more questions, Your Honor. 824 00:31:46,310 --> 00:31:47,310 {i1}Sam Carter{i} 825 00:31:47,377 --> 00:31:48,976 was a depressed teenager 826 00:31:49,043 --> 00:31:51,642 who had been self-medicating with alcohol and drugs 827 00:31:51,709 --> 00:31:53,010 when he killed his mother. 828 00:31:53,076 --> 00:31:55,509 Every year on the anniversary of her death, 829 00:31:55,576 --> 00:31:57,193 he suffers from depression. 830 00:31:57,210 --> 00:31:58,909 This year... 831 00:31:58,976 --> 00:32:01,377 his depression was more severe than ever before, 832 00:32:01,443 --> 00:32:03,410 and he had a psychotic break. 833 00:32:03,477 --> 00:32:06,043 The same kind of psychotic break he suffered 834 00:32:06,110 --> 00:32:08,576 just before he killed his mother. 835 00:32:08,642 --> 00:32:15,043 He was legally insane at the time he killed his niece. 836 00:32:15,110 --> 00:32:16,976 The people acknowledge 837 00:32:17,043 --> 00:32:20,076 that the defendant suffers from depression. 838 00:32:20,143 --> 00:32:24,876 But so do many millions of people who never commit a crime. 839 00:32:24,943 --> 00:32:27,477 Mr. Carter's marriage of 15 years, 840 00:32:27,542 --> 00:32:29,609 as well as his long-term employment, 841 00:32:29,676 --> 00:32:32,443 testifies to his overall stability. 842 00:32:32,509 --> 00:32:34,509 You heard Dr. Perrin's testimony. 843 00:32:34,576 --> 00:32:40,377 Mr. Carter had the ability to discern right from wrong. 844 00:32:40,443 --> 00:32:41,976 He made the wrong choice. 845 00:32:42,043 --> 00:32:44,043 ku That night, the defendant-- 846 00:32:44,110 --> 00:32:46,876 knowing that he had a substance abuse problem 847 00:32:46,943 --> 00:32:49,676 and a history of violent behavior 848 00:32:49,743 --> 00:32:51,010 and alcoholic blackouts, 849 00:32:51,076 --> 00:32:53,310 and knowing that during one such blackout, 850 00:32:53,377 --> 00:32:55,876 he shot and killed his own mother-- 851 00:32:55,943 --> 00:32:58,310 went to a bar, and started drinking. 852 00:32:58,377 --> 00:33:00,676 He became enraged at the idea 853 00:33:00,743 --> 00:33:02,576 that his niece was abandoning him, 854 00:33:02,642 --> 00:33:05,576 getting married and leaving him. 855 00:33:05,642 --> 00:33:09,110 And he went to her apartment and stabbed her to death. 856 00:33:10,076 --> 00:33:13,176 Sam Carter has never been legally held 857 00:33:13,243 --> 00:33:14,843 responsible for the murder of his mother. 858 00:33:14,910 --> 00:33:16,375 If he had been, 859 00:33:16,376 --> 00:33:17,875 this whole tragedy never would've occurred. 860 00:33:17,876 --> 00:33:19,609 I beg you... 861 00:33:19,676 --> 00:33:23,743 hold Mr. Carter responsible for the murder of his niece. 862 00:33:26,010 --> 00:33:27,342 Great closing. 863 00:33:27,409 --> 00:33:29,243 Thanks. You too. Jury's taking 864 00:33:29,309 --> 00:33:31,210 a long time. Thanks. 865 00:33:31,277 --> 00:33:33,110 Thank you. 866 00:33:33,177 --> 00:33:34,576 Trying to sort through the three possible verdicts 867 00:33:34,576 --> 00:33:36,243 under Indiana law. 868 00:33:36,309 --> 00:33:38,609 Guilty. Guilty but mentally insane at the time. 869 00:33:38,676 --> 00:33:41,243 Not guilty by reason of mental defect or disease. 870 00:33:41,309 --> 00:33:42,743 That's a lot to sort through. 871 00:33:42,810 --> 00:33:43,442 Yeah. 872 00:33:46,010 --> 00:33:47,876 Annabeth Chase. 873 00:33:47,943 --> 00:33:49,409 Thank you. 874 00:33:49,476 --> 00:33:50,743 The jury's back. 875 00:33:50,810 --> 00:33:51,810 Okay. 876 00:33:59,810 --> 00:34:02,543 The jury finds the defendant guilty of the murder 877 00:34:02,609 --> 00:34:05,876 of Amanda Monroe, but mentally ill at the time of the crime. 878 00:34:05,943 --> 00:34:08,409 Mr. Carter, you'll be transferred 879 00:34:08,476 --> 00:34:10,010 to a psychiatric facility, 880 00:34:10,076 --> 00:34:14,342 duration and terms to be determined at your sentencing. 881 00:34:16,676 --> 00:34:18,976 Congratulations, I guess. 882 00:34:19,043 --> 00:34:19,943 Who said a tie game 883 00:34:20,010 --> 00:34:21,643 is like kissing your sister? 884 00:34:21,709 --> 00:34:22,442 Vince Lombardi. 885 00:34:22,509 --> 00:34:23,409 We have 886 00:34:23,476 --> 00:34:25,010 to prepare for our sentencing. 887 00:34:25,076 --> 00:34:27,309 Make sure Sam Carter doesn't end up five years from now 888 00:34:27,376 --> 00:34:29,676 in outpatient care. Jury found him sympathetic. 889 00:34:29,743 --> 00:34:31,576 The guy's only a bender away from killing again. 890 00:34:31,643 --> 00:34:34,609 I want him put away for the rest of his life. 891 00:34:38,500 --> 00:34:39,900 There's got to be fi1es we can use 892 00:34:39,900 --> 00:34:41,500 to influence the sentencing. 893 00:34:41,567 --> 00:34:43,867 Carter was a model patient in the juvenile pysch ward. 894 00:34:43,934 --> 00:34:45,366 No run-ins with any other inmates, 895 00:34:45,433 --> 00:34:47,032 no problems with the staff. 896 00:34:47,033 --> 00:34:49,167 Prior to his incarceration, he had some curfew violations, 897 00:34:49,233 --> 00:34:50,966 a couple of drunk and disorderly charges, 898 00:34:51,033 --> 00:34:53,133 ticket for loitering, in front of a liquor store 899 00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:54,633 the day of the murder. 900 00:34:54,699 --> 00:34:56,267 Nothing that indicates he was prone to violence? 901 00:34:56,333 --> 00:34:58,766 No. Nothing. According to the police report, 902 00:34:58,833 --> 00:35:02,534 the house was ransacked, jewelry and cash stolen. 903 00:35:02,599 --> 00:35:03,833 Wait. Jordan told me 904 00:35:03,900 --> 00:35:05,900 his father gave all his jewelry to his sisters. 905 00:35:05,966 --> 00:35:09,233 Mr. Carter reported it stolen, and filed an insurance claim. 906 00:35:09,300 --> 00:35:11,100 Just an opportunist? 907 00:35:11,167 --> 00:35:12,900 Saw his chance to commit a little insurance fraud? 908 00:35:12,966 --> 00:35:14,367 His son kills his wife, 909 00:35:14,367 --> 00:35:15,866 and he's thinking how to make a few bucks 910 00:35:15,933 --> 00:35:17,400 defrauding the insurance company? 911 00:35:17,467 --> 00:35:19,467 MAN: {i1}Cops made a mistake.{i} 912 00:35:19,534 --> 00:35:20,866 I found the jewelry in my room 913 00:35:20,933 --> 00:35:22,467 a couple of days after my mom died, 914 00:35:22,534 --> 00:35:24,333 in a bag in the back of the closet. 915 00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:26,800 When I looked inside, I thought-- well, it sounds dumb-- 916 00:35:26,866 --> 00:35:29,833 but I thought maybe she left it for me somehow. 917 00:35:29,900 --> 00:35:32,800 And so I put it away in my toy chest. 918 00:35:32,866 --> 00:35:34,534 A few days later, Daddy came looking for it. 919 00:35:34,599 --> 00:35:36,434 What did he say? Well, I told him what I thought. 920 00:35:37,150 --> 00:35:39,917 That Mama must have wanted me to have it. 921 00:35:39,983 --> 00:35:42,017 But he told me she didn't put it there. 922 00:35:42,084 --> 00:35:43,683 It wasn't for me. It was for my sisters. 923 00:35:43,683 --> 00:35:45,983 Your father filed a claim on that jewelry. 924 00:35:46,050 --> 00:35:48,349 He collected a rather large payment. 925 00:35:48,416 --> 00:35:49,717 Doesn't suprise me 926 00:35:49,783 --> 00:35:51,683 That's Daddy for you. 927 00:35:51,750 --> 00:35:54,950 Rules were always meant for somebody else. 928 00:35:55,017 --> 00:35:57,917 Cheats on his taxes, too. Don't tell him I told you. 929 00:35:57,983 --> 00:35:59,783 WOMAN: This is all 930 00:35:59,850 --> 00:36:02,216 I have left of my mama. 931 00:36:02,283 --> 00:36:05,717 You believe it all fits in this little box? 932 00:36:05,783 --> 00:36:07,483 My mama's wedding ring. 933 00:36:07,550 --> 00:36:09,084 Hmm. 934 00:36:09,150 --> 00:36:11,249 And a boy's class ring. 935 00:36:14,650 --> 00:36:16,050 "KG"? 936 00:36:16,117 --> 00:36:18,717 Kevin Grover. 937 00:36:18,783 --> 00:36:20,416 Mama would always tell this 938 00:36:20,483 --> 00:36:20,616 story how he took her to the senior prom 939 00:36:22,349 --> 00:36:23,783 and his car caught on fire. 940 00:36:23,850 --> 00:36:25,117 She'd laugh and say 941 00:36:25,184 --> 00:36:26,817 it was the hottest date she'd ever had. 942 00:36:28,683 --> 00:36:31,349 She had some kind of crush on him. 943 00:36:31,416 --> 00:36:33,283 She held on to it forever. 944 00:36:35,084 --> 00:36:38,683 Sent the most beautiful spray of flowers when she died. 945 00:36:41,683 --> 00:36:41,850 MAN: So what do you want from me, brother? 946 00:36:43,216 --> 00:36:45,450 Just tell me about Angela Carter. 947 00:36:45,516 --> 00:36:46,917 Angela and me, 948 00:36:46,983 --> 00:36:48,117 we were on again, 949 00:36:48,184 --> 00:36:50,117 off again, for a lot of years. 950 00:36:50,184 --> 00:36:51,416 When she died? 951 00:36:51,483 --> 00:36:53,084 We were on again. 952 00:36:53,150 --> 00:36:55,483 She was married then? 953 00:36:55,550 --> 00:36:58,084 Yeah, but not for long. 954 00:36:58,150 --> 00:36:59,316 Her husband know? 955 00:36:59,383 --> 00:37:01,550 She said she was going to tell him, 956 00:37:01,616 --> 00:37:02,983 but I don't think she ever did. 957 00:37:03,050 --> 00:37:05,650 That's the kind of thing you put off as long as you can. 958 00:37:05,717 --> 00:37:07,783 It wasn't easy, but we kept it quiet. 959 00:37:07,850 --> 00:37:09,950 Angela would come by most days. 960 00:37:10,017 --> 00:37:11,450 We'd have lunch. 961 00:37:11,516 --> 00:37:13,249 Did you have lunch with her then? The day she died? 962 00:37:13,316 --> 00:37:14,249 We did. 963 00:37:14,316 --> 00:37:16,216 Always the same time. 964 00:37:16,283 --> 00:37:21,516 We'd go to this little diner other side of town, early. 965 00:37:21,583 --> 00:37:23,450 We'd beat the lunch crowd, so we wouldn't run 966 00:37:23,516 --> 00:37:25,017 into anybody who we knew. 967 00:37:25,084 --> 00:37:26,383 Angela would be on her way 968 00:37:26,450 --> 00:37:28,150 home by noon. 969 00:37:28,216 --> 00:37:30,316 What? 970 00:37:30,383 --> 00:37:32,117 Are you sure about the time? 971 00:37:32,184 --> 00:37:34,683 Yeah. 972 00:37:36,817 --> 00:37:40,083 Something about Angela Carter's murder doesn't add up. 973 00:37:40,150 --> 00:37:42,199 Her husband reported her jewelry stolen, 974 00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:44,266 but later he gave it to his daughters. 975 00:37:44,267 --> 00:37:45,633 Minor league insurance fraud. 976 00:37:45,700 --> 00:37:47,800 I'm sure the statute of limitations has run out on that. 977 00:37:47,866 --> 00:37:49,533 The afternoon of the murder, Carter was ticketed 978 00:37:49,599 --> 00:37:52,334 for loitering in front of a liquor store around 3:00. 979 00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:53,833 Time enough to go ho and shoot his mother. 980 00:37:53,900 --> 00:37:55,167 Well, here's the thing. 981 00:37:55,233 --> 00:37:56,666 She had had lunch that day with her lover. 982 00:37:56,733 --> 00:37:58,233 Her lover? Ed spoke to him. 983 00:37:58,300 --> 00:38:00,633 I went back and looked at the autopsy report. 984 00:38:00,700 --> 00:38:01,766 She was killed 985 00:38:01,833 --> 00:38:03,133 within an hour of eating that meal. 986 00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:04,633 What's the official time of death? 987 00:38:04,700 --> 00:38:07,000 Between 3:00 and 4:00. 988 00:38:07,067 --> 00:38:07,933 When did she have lunch with her lover? 989 00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:09,033 Before noon. 990 00:38:09,100 --> 00:38:11,566 Doesn't completely clear the kid. 991 00:38:11,633 --> 00:38:13,067 No, but it makes him more unlikely, 992 00:38:13,133 --> 00:38:15,233 and it moves the time of death up to about 1:00. 993 00:38:15,300 --> 00:38:16,900 Did the police ever check if the father had an alibi? 994 00:38:16,967 --> 00:38:18,300 The case was so cut and dried, 995 00:38:18,367 --> 00:38:19,900 only a cursory check as far as I know. 996 00:38:19,967 --> 00:38:21,733 Let's see what Ed and Ray can dig up on that. 997 00:38:23,350 --> 00:38:26,815 Here's Cyrus's file, January, 1981. 998 00:38:26,816 --> 00:38:28,350 A letter to his coworkers 999 00:38:28,417 --> 00:38:29,816 telling them where to send flowers. 1000 00:38:29,883 --> 00:38:32,083 Donation to an ASPCA. 1001 00:38:32,150 --> 00:38:33,417 Fax and report 1002 00:38:33,484 --> 00:38:36,150 for a company vehicle. Check out the date. 1003 00:38:36,217 --> 00:38:37,599 Same day his wife was killed. 1004 00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:39,433 Checked out a company truck on his lunch hour, 1005 00:38:39,500 --> 00:38:40,899 between 12:30, 2:00. 1006 00:38:40,966 --> 00:38:42,299 Dented a fender. 1007 00:38:42,300 --> 00:38:44,200 Company files a claim for the bodywork. 1008 00:38:44,267 --> 00:38:46,634 Question is, where was Cyrus Carter between 12:30 and 2:00? 1009 00:38:46,699 --> 00:38:48,167 You mean right around the time his wife was killed. 1010 00:38:48,233 --> 00:38:49,534 We got a solid gold motive. 1011 00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:51,567 A jealous husband. Doesn't get much better than that. 1012 00:38:51,634 --> 00:38:52,933 If we can place him near the crime scene, 1013 00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:54,133 and blow up his alibi... 1014 00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:55,400 I'm thinking there's a good chance 1015 00:38:55,467 --> 00:38:57,167 the Indiana Public Employees surance Union 1016 00:38:57,233 --> 00:38:58,833 might have a record 1017 00:38:58,900 --> 00:39:02,100 of the specific location of his little fender bender. 1018 00:39:05,500 --> 00:39:06,900 We're charging you for the murder 1019 00:39:06,966 --> 00:39:09,066 of your wife, Angela Carter. 1020 00:39:09,133 --> 00:39:11,766 That's just a crazy idea. 1021 00:39:11,833 --> 00:39:13,766 You checked out a company vehicle over your lunch hour, 1022 00:39:13,833 --> 00:39:17,367 went home, killed your wife, staged a robbery to cover it up, 1023 00:39:17,433 --> 00:39:18,833 and then went back to work. 1024 00:39:18,900 --> 00:39:20,467 I completely agree with Mr. Carter. 1025 00:39:20,534 --> 00:39:23,766 A truly crazy idea and sheer conjecture without a shred 1026 00:39:23,833 --> 00:39:25,100 of evidence. 1027 00:39:25,167 --> 00:39:26,799 We have the records from Indiana Electric. 1028 00:39:26,866 --> 00:39:29,600 In your haste to get back to work, you hit a utility pole 1029 00:39:29,666 --> 00:39:32,733 two blocks from your house at 1:10 p.m. 1030 00:39:34,933 --> 00:39:36,699 What happened, Mr. Carter? 1031 00:39:36,866 --> 00:39:38,933 You were in such a state after killing your wife 1032 00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:41,333 that you got into an accident? 1033 00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:42,833 It's not like that. 1034 00:39:42,899 --> 00:39:44,634 See, I was just driving through the neighborhood 1035 00:39:44,700 --> 00:39:46,100 on my way back from lunch. -In a company truck. 1036 00:39:46,166 --> 00:39:48,066 Why didn't you take your own car to lunch? 1037 00:39:48,133 --> 00:39:52,200 Why would I kill Angela? 1038 00:39:52,367 --> 00:39:54,066 I had no reason to. 1039 00:39:54,133 --> 00:39:56,066 Mr. Carter, don't say anything else. 1040 00:39:56,133 --> 00:39:57,600 This is fantasy, Miss Chase. 1041 00:39:57,633 --> 00:39:59,667 You had all the reasons in the world, Mr. Carter. 1042 00:39:59,734 --> 00:40:02,266 And his name was Kevin Grover. 1043 00:40:02,333 --> 00:40:04,266 Your wife's high school sweetheart. 1044 00:40:04,333 --> 00:40:06,066 We know they were having an affair. 1045 00:40:06,133 --> 00:40:07,567 Apparently, so did you. 1046 00:40:07,633 --> 00:40:09,400 What you didn't know was that they had lunch together 1047 00:40:09,467 --> 00:40:11,500 that day. --early-- Which means 1048 00:40:11,567 --> 00:40:13,633 results, based on the contents of her stomach, 1049 00:40:13,700 --> 00:40:15,166 place her death during your lunch hour. 1050 00:40:15,233 --> 00:40:17,400 If the authorities got the time of death wrong, 1051 00:40:17,467 --> 00:40:18,933 that's their problem. 1052 00:40:18,999 --> 00:40:20,300 You knew your wife was leaving you, didn't you? 1053 00:40:20,367 --> 00:40:24,800 Your son didn't kill his mother. You did. 1054 00:40:24,866 --> 00:40:27,033 And we have enough evidence to take you to trial 1055 00:40:27,100 --> 00:40:30,033 and convict you. I am offering you a choice, Mr. Carter. 1056 00:40:30,100 --> 00:40:31,600 Are you offering us a plea? 1057 00:40:31,667 --> 00:40:33,166 We'll discuss that if he tells us the truth. 1058 00:40:38,166 --> 00:40:41,467 They were my kids. 1059 00:40:41,533 --> 00:40:43,999 Our kids. 1060 00:40:44,066 --> 00:40:47,567 I wasn't going to let her take them away. 1061 00:40:47,633 --> 00:40:51,700 Let them call that man "Daddy." 1062 00:40:54,133 --> 00:40:55,834 They're my kids. 1063 00:40:55,899 --> 00:40:59,133 You let the police arrest your son. 1064 00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:01,166 Because I knew nothing much was going to happen to him 1065 00:41:01,233 --> 00:41:02,800 because of his age. 1066 00:41:02,866 --> 00:41:04,966 Besides, he's troubled. 1067 00:41:05,033 --> 00:41:08,066 I thought they would give him the help he needed. 1068 00:41:08,133 --> 00:41:09,166 You let him believe he killed his mother. 1069 00:41:09,233 --> 00:41:10,734 How was that helping him? 1070 00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:12,666 I have other children to raise. 1071 00:41:12,700 --> 00:41:17,233 If I went to prison, who was going to provide for them? 1072 00:41:17,300 --> 00:41:19,734 I gave my children a good life. 1073 00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:24,567 You keep telling yourself that. 1074 00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:29,266 I think about it all, every day. 1075 00:41:29,333 --> 00:41:31,933 I don't know why I did it. 1076 00:41:31,999 --> 00:41:35,933 Or why I did what I did to Mandy, either. 1077 00:41:35,999 --> 00:41:38,133 Do you think there's a day that goes by 1078 00:41:38,200 --> 00:41:39,567 I don't beg her for forgiveness? 1079 00:41:39,633 --> 00:41:41,467 Or my mother? 1080 00:41:41,533 --> 00:41:43,500 You don't need to do that anymore. 1081 00:41:44,367 --> 00:41:46,066 Not for your mother anyway. 1082 00:41:46,133 --> 00:41:48,433 How come? Why not? 1083 00:41:48,500 --> 00:41:50,666 You didn't kill her. 1084 00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:57,333 Miss Chase, there was blood all over me. 1085 00:41:57,400 --> 00:41:59,167 My prints were on the gun. 1086 00:41:59,233 --> 00:42:00,500 You were very drunk that day. 1087 00:42:00,567 --> 00:42:03,100 You came home, the house had been ransacked. 1088 00:42:03,167 --> 00:42:06,000 You saw your mother lying in a pool of her own blood. 1089 00:42:06,066 --> 00:42:09,233 The shock of seeing her body must have been tremendous. 1090 00:42:09,300 --> 00:42:14,200 The shotgun was lying next to her, and you picked it up. 1091 00:42:14,267 --> 00:42:17,333 The stress of what you had just seen... you had a blackout. 1092 00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:20,467 And, when you came to, the police were arresting you, 1093 00:42:20,534 --> 00:42:22,200 but you didn't do it. 1094 00:42:22,267 --> 00:42:25,066 She was already dead? 1095 00:42:25,133 --> 00:42:27,300 She was already dead. 1096 00:42:29,634 --> 00:42:31,433 And, all these years, I thought... 1097 00:42:35,066 --> 00:42:36,766 If I didn't kill her...? 1098 00:42:36,833 --> 00:42:38,367 Your father. 1099 00:42:38,433 --> 00:42:41,367 He shot her and let you take the blame. 1100 00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:45,433 Daddy wouldn't have done that. 1101 00:42:45,500 --> 00:42:49,766 We confronted him with the evidence, and he confessed. 1102 00:42:49,833 --> 00:42:51,267 No. 1103 00:42:51,333 --> 00:42:55,033 No, no, no. 1104 00:42:55,100 --> 00:42:58,333 My daddy loves me. 1105 00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:02,867 And he wouldn't let me suffer like that. 1106 00:43:03,167 --> 00:43:08,333 He wouldn't let me think that I had done something like that. 1107 00:43:11,666 --> 00:43:15,600 He wouldn't throw my life away like that. 1108 00:43:15,666 --> 00:43:18,534 I'm sorry, Mr. Carter. 1109 00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:20,600 You're going to have to wrestle with that one. 1110 00:43:20,666 --> 00:43:23,200 And Mandy. 1111 00:43:23,267 --> 00:43:25,167 You can lay your mother 1112 00:43:25,233 --> 00:43:27,567 to rest now, at least. 1113 00:43:27,634 --> 00:43:40,884 Welcome to www.1000fr.com 1114 00:00:00,500 --> 00:00:02,000 www.tvsubtitles.net 1115 00:00:03,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Downloaded From www.AllSubs.org 1116 00:00:13,050 --> 00:00:17,600 Repair and Synchronization by Easy Subtitles Synchronizer 1.0.0.0 82590

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