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John
Griggs heard about this
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movie producer up in LA
that had a stash of LSD.
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It was,
like, $35 to $50 a hit
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and that was just more
than anybody could afford.
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John decided him and
his friends were gonna
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rob the house where the
LSD was in Hollywood.
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They took
guns and went up there
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and held this guy
up and took his LSD.
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And they go into Orange
County and they took it,
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and they had deep,
spiritual revelations.
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They took a lot.
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- When John took LSD,
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it totally turned him around.
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Actually, his first time,
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he just started
running and running.
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And he said he just
had to get home
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to tell me how much he loved me.
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By the time he got home,
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it was about three
in the morning.
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He was completely out of breath
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and just, his eyes
were wide and crazy.
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He just had to tell me how
much love he was feeling.
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It just pumped and
flowed through him
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and he said he could feel
divinity flowin' through him
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as he ran, you know, and
he had been going totally
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in the wrong direction in life.
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You hadn't heard any stories
like this before, you know?
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It just, this was a
new one, you know?
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This was a new one for
planet Earth, you know?
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The wake-up call.
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LSD was the kind of
thing that changed people,
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one at a time, individually.
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I graduated from
high school in 1962.
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I went to college,
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thought I would be a
businessman of some kind
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and then LSD came along
while I was in college
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and that changed everything.
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That changed everything.
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I started taking
philosophy classes
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and classes on religion.
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- Michael was John's friend.
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Psychedelics is what
brought them together.
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They became tripping buddies.
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I knew there
was something else
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in this whole acid
experience that I needed
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to understand more
and more and more.
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* When I die and
they let me to rest
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* Gonna go to the
place that's the best *
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I started smuggling
pot in, actually in '64,
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before I ever took psychedelics.
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At that time I was
building surfboards
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at a surfboard shop
in Laguna Canyon,
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but I also
supplemented my income
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by dealing a little weed.
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If you knew us, we were
polimen, spiritual warriors.
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If you didn't know us, we
were a bunch of drug dealers.
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You know, we were both.
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The
international business
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and the risks that we took.
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Not only risks of getting
locked up indefinitely
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in some foreign
country where they just
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throw the key away and
forget you're there,
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but there was people
killed in those days
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for possession of hash
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and there we were, you know,
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smuggling LSD and
hash and marijuana.
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So, we could have
easily been executed
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and we knew it, and
we did it anyway.
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We were rolling
through tons of karma,
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taking that much acid,
smuggling and all that.
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We were doing things
nobody else could do.
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Other people try to
do that and they died
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or ended up in jail.
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We had the power to do stuff
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and we did it and we
knew it and it worked.
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* When you die
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* He's gonna recommend you
to the spirit in the sky
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* Going to recommend you
to the spirit in the sky
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* That's where you
gonna go when you die
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* When you die and
they lay you to rest
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* You're gonna go to the
place that's the best *
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- 1960, I was 15.
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Johnny Grigg's group
from Anaheim was sitting
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in their designated
area on the beach
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and Garden Grove was
over here, you know?
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Johnny turned around
and he just stared at me
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for a real long time
and it penetrated me.
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That was it, that
was just it for me.
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You know they say it's
love at first sight
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or it's a lightning
bolt or something.
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That is what happened to me.
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My girlfriend's all warned
me about him, you know?
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That he was kind of a little
bit of a troublemaker.
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Johnny asked me if I
would go out with him
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and I had known for
months and months
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and been already
in love with him.
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When he kissed me
I was so shocked,
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because he seemed so timid
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and he was almost afraid.
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He says, "I was so
nervous, you know,
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"'cause I had everything
banking on that kiss, you know."
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It was like, you know,
if it wasn't then,
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it wasn't gonna
happen, you know.
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And that was it.
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From that kiss on.
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* I need your love
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* I need your love so badly
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* Now since I've
learned you wanted
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* No one else around me
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* Me, your love, and
I'm counting on it all *
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Johnny went to Brigham
Young University.
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He had a scholarship
in wrestling there.
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When he came back in
May, I got pregnant.
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I was my 17th birthday;
my first time out.
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Happy birthday!
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My parents and John's
parents took us to Las Vegas
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because they had to sign
for me 'cause I was only 17
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and we got married there.
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We were totally in love
so it didn't matter.
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Johnny and I bought a
house in Fountain Valley
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with our little family.
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It was a cul-de-sac.
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My kids could go to school.
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I thought it was everything
I wanted in life.
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Well, I was just against
all drugs, you know?
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I just never did a drug.
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I never smoked pot
or did anything.
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John was taking LSD and he
was doing it in my house
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and I thought it was a little
crazy, but I was young.
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Johnny would select a
few of his close friends
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that he wanted to experience
that and who were open.
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They were tripping inside
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and then they went
out into nature
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to the beaches, and surfing
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and John was turning on 24/7
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and for about nine months before
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they decided I needed
to join the club.
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Him and his friends took me out,
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took me down, maybe, you
know, with breakfast;
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scrambled eggs and it
was in the orange juice.
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Man, the whole universe
came down on me.
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I experienced deep within
and I didn't want this
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two-story Fountain Valley house
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that I thought was everything
I wanted in life, you know?
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This little stray piece
of land here and fit in
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and that night, I didn't
want any of it, you know?
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I didn't want any of it.
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I just wanted to
move to the country
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and be my own special
self whatever that was.
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Well, the experiences
you have when you take LSD
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is a, is a sense of
being in communion
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with powers greater
than yourself
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and intelligence which far
outstretch the human mind
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and energies which
are very ancient.
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- Johnny have read this article
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in Life Magazine about
these Harvard professors
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who were experimenting with LSD.
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- Our aim, like the aims
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of any religious
group just beginning,
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is to transform
American society.
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I'm sure many of
your viewers know
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that American today
is an insane asylum.
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The American people
are completely hung up
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on material acquisition,
on power, on war-making,
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it's an insane asylum over here.
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And it's our goal to
lift the spiritual level
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of the American people.
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We're gonna try to bring
about a religious renaissance
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and a spiritual revolution.
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Timothy Leary was very
much a spiritual being.
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He had written a Tao Te Ching,
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and Psychedelic Experience.
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He was trippin'.
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You know, I mean this is the
head honcho, the high priest.
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Johnny went to
Millbrook and met him,
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and then they talked,
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and Johnny brought back
books and information,
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and then we had more printed.
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We had lived in Fountain Valley
'bout 10 months to a year
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and you know we
had a down payment
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and making our payments
on this thing, you know.
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And I just walked up
to the main office,
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and I gave him my
keys and I told him
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we were giving the house back.
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They said, "What,
we can't do that."
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I said, "Yeah we can,
we don't want it.
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"It's yours, sell it, resell
it, we don't want it."
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We
realized that we were
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a group of sort of bonded people
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and we found this old
church in Modjeska Canyon;
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beautiful, beautiful,
beautiful little canyon
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We moved to
Modjeska Canyon as a group
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from our individual
dwellings in Anaheim,
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Long Beach, and Garden Grove.
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The first time
I went to Modjeska Canyon
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it felt spiritual.
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It felt religious in a way.
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The goal of the
group at that time
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was your personal enlightenment,
changing yourself.
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You know, we all started
reading spiritual books
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and philosophies.
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Most of us didn't
know anything among,
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I was raised pretty
much without religion.
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I was pretty much an atheist,
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'til I started
taking psychedelics.
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In the beginning
we relied a lot on holy men,
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like Yogananda
Ramakrishna and Ram Dass.
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We had a Zen master for a while.
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You know, we searched
around to find
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people that could explain
the mystery to us.
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* The seed doesn't fall
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Each time we took LSD
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we woke up a little bit
more, and a little bit more,
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and we surrendered to that
process and to that light.
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John Griggs' dream
was to give LSD
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to everybody, change the world.
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Hopefully everybody can
see what we were seeing.
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There was always
this tension in the world
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that just seemed like
would probably go away
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if everybody took a dose of
acid, is what we thought.
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That's when we decided
to form a church.
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We had one of
our meetings, one of our,
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I think it was a
Wednesday night meeting,
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and John was trying to come up
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with a name for the group.
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Dwight
Buckley said something
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like "The Brotherhood".
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And somebody said "Well,
the Brotherhood of what?"
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And then Chuck Mendell said...
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The Brotherhood
of Eternal Love...
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The Brotherhood
of Eternal Love.
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The Brotherhood of
Eternal Love and it stuck.
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* We are the brothers here
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* And they can't
take that away *
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The idea was that each
one of those, say 12 people
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would go out and
have 10 or 12 people,
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and show them how
this, how this works.
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Everybody you know, go
out and tell everybody,
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your workplace, your school,
your family, anybody.
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Get 'em to take LSD with you.
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- The obvious thing was,
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we need to know how
to make as much acid
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and get it to as many
people as we possibly can.
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* I love it
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We felt it was our duty
to turn the world on.
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We really, really, truly
believe that it is our mission
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We were called
upon to do this.
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it felt like that to all of us.
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we said, "this is something,
this is what I have to do."
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LSD was much
more expensive then.
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Say, that's hence where
all the hash scams
252
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and the weed scams came through.
253
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- Almost everyone
254
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was doing a scam.
255
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By a scam, we mean an operation,
256
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some sort of
smuggling operation.
257
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When it came down
to the real business
258
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of making this into
a big business,
259
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I was the guy to do that.
260
00:13:18,365 --> 00:13:21,034
Michael started working
very closely with Johnny,
261
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was his kind of right-hand man
262
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- John and I were best friends.
263
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That's how I became his partner.
264
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I think like he does.
265
00:13:28,741 --> 00:13:30,643
I was one of the
ground-floor investors
266
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in a scam where we
were a movie company.
267
00:13:33,713 --> 00:13:35,548
In those days, everything
was big, you know.
268
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And only had film
canisters and the idea was
269
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to fill the film
canisters with LSD,
270
00:13:40,653 --> 00:13:43,390
and you can't open them
or you expose the film.
271
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* I feel this rust
I'm in so bad *
272
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- I was the hash guy.
273
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Hash was my thing.
274
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Travis inspired me because
he was always a go-getter,
275
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and he still is to this day.
276
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Perales used to buy
weed in Tijuana,
277
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walk it up to the
border, leave it,
278
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and go through Tijuana, go and
pick it up and drive it home.
279
00:14:01,574 --> 00:14:03,676
And he did that when
he was 17 years old.
280
00:14:03,776 --> 00:14:07,080
* I can't get your love,
I can't get affection *
281
00:14:07,180 --> 00:14:09,649
Ron, my older
brother is a pretty smart guy,
282
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engineer kind of mind, you know.
283
00:14:12,052 --> 00:14:14,421
He can build things,
design things.
284
00:14:14,521 --> 00:14:15,755
He's very handy.
285
00:14:15,855 --> 00:14:17,457
You know they always
called me Poindexter,
286
00:14:17,557 --> 00:14:18,825
because I am really smart,
287
00:14:18,926 --> 00:14:19,927
but book smart.
288
00:14:20,027 --> 00:14:21,361
I'm street-stupid.
289
00:14:21,461 --> 00:14:23,997
You can ask Travis,
he'll tell you.
290
00:14:24,097 --> 00:14:27,167
I took on the building of the
vehicles kind of as a job,
291
00:14:27,267 --> 00:14:29,536
but, it was real interesting
292
00:14:29,636 --> 00:14:35,442
to figure out where
to put the hash.
293
00:14:35,542 --> 00:14:37,110
- Carol was the queen mother,
294
00:14:37,210 --> 00:14:39,446
and all the other
wives looked to Carol.
295
00:14:39,546 --> 00:14:41,548
She was just like all
of us looked to John.
296
00:14:41,648 --> 00:14:43,016
- It was always 50-50.
297
00:14:43,116 --> 00:14:45,618
The women, we all did our share.
298
00:14:45,718 --> 00:14:46,954
We worked hard.
299
00:14:47,054 --> 00:14:49,056
Women made everything
legitimate.
300
00:14:49,156 --> 00:14:51,491
You wanted a woman in the
car with you, you know,
301
00:14:51,591 --> 00:14:54,361
not a couple of
shady looking guys.
302
00:14:54,461 --> 00:14:58,631
* I need you girl by my side
303
00:14:58,731 --> 00:15:00,500
John was the magician.
304
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He made it happen.
305
00:15:02,936 --> 00:15:05,005
We would get a huge
load of something,
306
00:15:05,105 --> 00:15:06,539
and he would be instrumental
307
00:15:06,639 --> 00:15:09,676
in making sure it got to York,
308
00:15:09,776 --> 00:15:11,744
and who it went out to,
309
00:15:11,844 --> 00:15:13,480
and who it hooked up to,
310
00:15:13,580 --> 00:15:16,549
and he was a business
man, kind of.
311
00:15:16,649 --> 00:15:18,585
Johnny
was sort of the hub,
312
00:15:18,685 --> 00:15:23,056
and this group was
growing around him.
313
00:15:23,156 --> 00:15:25,258
I
found in most cases
314
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people that you're going
to dangerous things with
315
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and break the law,
316
00:15:28,996 --> 00:15:30,597
you better be close friends.
317
00:15:30,697 --> 00:15:33,933
You better be sure that
you got each other's back.
318
00:15:34,034 --> 00:15:36,703
You know, a goal was
not the drug business,
319
00:15:36,803 --> 00:15:38,571
it just morphed
into this, you know,
320
00:15:38,671 --> 00:15:39,939
it went from a group,
321
00:15:40,040 --> 00:15:42,609
a handful of guys seeking
spiritual enlightenment,
322
00:15:42,709 --> 00:15:45,212
to next thing you know,
we were smuggling.
323
00:15:45,312 --> 00:15:46,579
First it started
off small things,
324
00:15:46,679 --> 00:15:49,349
but then the loads kept
getting bigger, bigger,
325
00:15:49,449 --> 00:15:52,585
which was more revenue.
326
00:15:52,685 --> 00:15:55,088
The money for the
LSD all went back in
327
00:15:55,188 --> 00:15:56,589
to make more to make it cheaper,
328
00:15:56,689 --> 00:15:59,292
give it away for almost nothing.
329
00:16:06,433 --> 00:16:09,536
People on the east coast
pay like five times more money
330
00:16:09,636 --> 00:16:12,572
than we do on the west
coast for marijuana,
331
00:16:12,672 --> 00:16:14,474
so however you
get it back there,
332
00:16:14,574 --> 00:16:19,379
you can make quite
a bit of money.
333
00:16:19,479 --> 00:16:21,414
Used to be able to
go to the airport
334
00:16:21,514 --> 00:16:24,917
and say, "Hi my name is"
whatever name you want.
335
00:16:25,018 --> 00:16:28,588
Go on a one way ticket,
take a large suitcase,
336
00:16:28,688 --> 00:16:30,123
fill it with weed.
337
00:16:30,223 --> 00:16:33,093
Check it into baggage on the
airplane, fly it to New York.
338
00:16:33,193 --> 00:16:34,661
You could do that.
339
00:16:34,761 --> 00:16:36,663
At this time, you
could get on a plane anywhere,
340
00:16:36,763 --> 00:16:39,332
and whatever you had
on your body was fine.
341
00:16:48,041 --> 00:16:52,445
All the Afghani hash was
known as Primo, Afghani Primo.
342
00:16:52,545 --> 00:16:55,082
One of my reasons for
exploring the hash business
343
00:16:55,182 --> 00:16:56,849
was I loved it so much,
344
00:16:56,949 --> 00:16:58,318
but it was so expensive.
345
00:16:58,418 --> 00:17:00,087
I mean you pretty much
had to be a dealer
346
00:17:00,187 --> 00:17:01,788
to be able to afford to use it,
347
00:17:01,888 --> 00:17:03,756
so I wanted to make it cheaper.
348
00:17:06,126 --> 00:17:07,294
I just started doing
a little research
349
00:17:07,394 --> 00:17:08,661
on where they had hash,
350
00:17:08,761 --> 00:17:11,598
figured it out and
decided to go do a...
351
00:17:11,698 --> 00:17:13,200
I got Ricky Bevells
to go with me
352
00:17:13,300 --> 00:17:15,602
and we flew to Europe,
353
00:17:15,702 --> 00:17:19,539
clean cut, corduroy sport
jackets, and short hair.
354
00:17:19,639 --> 00:17:20,840
We decided
we'd go to Germany
355
00:17:20,940 --> 00:17:26,713
and buy a car, and
drive to Nepal.
356
00:17:26,813 --> 00:17:29,282
Since we both had hid
cars with door panels
357
00:17:29,382 --> 00:17:30,483
from Mexico and everything,
358
00:17:30,583 --> 00:17:32,185
we thought okay,
well we'll get a car,
359
00:17:32,285 --> 00:17:34,521
score and fill it
up, and ship it home.
360
00:17:34,621 --> 00:17:36,656
We had no idea
where we were going,
361
00:17:36,756 --> 00:17:39,226
or what we were
going to encounter.
362
00:17:39,326 --> 00:17:41,794
We picked up a couple
hippies that were hitchhiking.
363
00:17:41,894 --> 00:17:43,130
It was a guy and a girl.
364
00:17:43,230 --> 00:17:45,365
So, we started smoking
with these hippies,
365
00:17:45,465 --> 00:17:47,134
and one thing came to another,
366
00:17:47,234 --> 00:17:48,668
and they figured out
we were coming there
367
00:17:48,768 --> 00:17:49,902
to get some hash.
368
00:17:50,002 --> 00:17:51,471
So the guys says,
"You know what, man?"
369
00:17:51,571 --> 00:17:54,841
He says, "You wanna
go to Afghanistan."
370
00:17:54,941 --> 00:17:57,009
And I said, "Where the
heck, where's that?"
371
00:17:57,110 --> 00:17:59,011
I had never heard of that.
372
00:17:59,112 --> 00:18:01,181
He says, "They got the best
hash in the world there,
373
00:18:01,281 --> 00:18:02,982
"and it's only four
dollars a kilo."
374
00:18:03,082 --> 00:18:04,717
I said, "When do we leave, man?"
375
00:18:04,817 --> 00:18:08,988
And the next morning, man,
we headed for Afghanistan.
376
00:18:09,088 --> 00:18:10,590
We
were very young,
377
00:18:10,690 --> 00:18:14,727
and not very fearful of
hardly anything, actually.
378
00:18:14,827 --> 00:18:16,196
We weren't two kids,
379
00:18:16,296 --> 00:18:19,232
like you think of a 19
year old and a 20 year old.
380
00:18:19,332 --> 00:18:20,600
It was different than that,
381
00:18:20,700 --> 00:18:22,602
because we had been weekly
382
00:18:22,702 --> 00:18:26,806
tapping into this
self that is eternal.
383
00:18:26,906 --> 00:18:28,208
And we knew that.
384
00:18:28,308 --> 00:18:31,878
So, we were like, old
souls in young bodies
385
00:18:31,978 --> 00:18:36,449
going over to do this deed.
386
00:18:36,549 --> 00:18:37,750
- When we first got there,
387
00:18:37,850 --> 00:18:39,186
we were standing in
line at this fruit stand
388
00:18:39,286 --> 00:18:40,720
to buy some fruit,
389
00:18:40,820 --> 00:18:42,755
when this guy comes
walking across the square,
390
00:18:42,855 --> 00:18:43,956
looking right at us.
391
00:18:44,056 --> 00:18:46,092
And I see kind of a guy
in a turban, you know,
392
00:18:46,193 --> 00:18:47,694
and he comes right
up to us and goes,
393
00:18:47,794 --> 00:18:50,630
"Would you guys like to
buy some fine Afghan shit?"
394
00:18:50,730 --> 00:18:52,532
I said, "What kind of
shit you got, man?"
395
00:18:52,632 --> 00:18:55,602
He said, "Well, I
got cocaine, hashish,
396
00:18:55,702 --> 00:18:58,205
"morphine, opium."
397
00:18:58,305 --> 00:19:02,975
I go, "Well, that
hash sounds good."
398
00:19:03,075 --> 00:19:04,911
We'd gone on this
trip originally
399
00:19:05,011 --> 00:19:06,813
planning on trying
to get 10 kilos.
400
00:19:06,913 --> 00:19:08,881
22 pounds, that was our goal.
401
00:19:08,981 --> 00:19:12,051
We ended up buying 50
kilos from these guys.
402
00:19:12,151 --> 00:19:15,788
This is Ayatoolah and
Nazareem, two po-ki brothers.
403
00:19:15,888 --> 00:19:17,424
So, we had all this hash,
404
00:19:17,524 --> 00:19:19,459
We were gonna figure out, how
are we gonna get this home?
405
00:19:19,559 --> 00:19:21,928
So, we started
going to the bazaar,
406
00:19:22,028 --> 00:19:23,996
looking at antiques and stuff.
407
00:19:24,096 --> 00:19:26,065
And things were so
ridiculously cheap.
408
00:19:26,165 --> 00:19:28,901
We found all these beautiful
antique musical instruments,
409
00:19:29,001 --> 00:19:31,471
drums, and like tablas,
410
00:19:31,571 --> 00:19:35,007
and stringed instruments
like tambouras.
411
00:19:35,107 --> 00:19:37,644
We just bought a bunch of it
and we packed it with hash.
412
00:19:37,744 --> 00:19:38,745
You could pack the neck.
413
00:19:38,845 --> 00:19:41,147
You could line the body of it.
414
00:19:41,248 --> 00:19:42,849
We saw
it in the news paper,
415
00:19:42,949 --> 00:19:45,852
that they had executed
a Canadian guy
416
00:19:45,952 --> 00:19:48,288
for possession of a very
small amount of hash.
417
00:19:48,388 --> 00:19:52,325
So, we didn't realize we
were risking our lives.
418
00:19:52,425 --> 00:19:54,327
- So, I'm sitting out in Pomona.
419
00:19:54,427 --> 00:19:56,629
Travis and Rick, he
called me from Europe.
420
00:19:56,729 --> 00:19:59,832
And they proceed to tell me
that they sent me a shipment,
421
00:19:59,932 --> 00:20:01,634
and the hash is in
it and it's coming,
422
00:20:01,734 --> 00:20:03,803
and I have to go pick it
up from the LA Customs.
423
00:20:03,903 --> 00:20:05,438
Why'd they send it to me?
424
00:20:05,538 --> 00:20:07,607
I didn't tell them they
could send that to me.
425
00:20:07,707 --> 00:20:09,342
Why the fuck did
they send that to me?
426
00:20:09,442 --> 00:20:12,111
Why didn't they
send it to themself.
427
00:20:12,211 --> 00:20:14,046
So, I go to the
airport, pick this up.
428
00:20:14,146 --> 00:20:16,616
Well, they had sent animal skins
429
00:20:16,716 --> 00:20:19,286
with all the instruments that
they packed the hash into.
430
00:20:19,386 --> 00:20:20,487
They hassled me about the skins.
431
00:20:20,587 --> 00:20:21,621
They said, "You can't
import these skins.
432
00:20:21,721 --> 00:20:23,022
"What are you guys doin'?"
433
00:20:23,122 --> 00:20:24,524
And I'm standing there with
these two customs agents
434
00:20:24,624 --> 00:20:26,726
for hours when they've got
this stuff all over the floor.
435
00:20:26,826 --> 00:20:28,227
It wasn't
over till it was over.
436
00:20:28,328 --> 00:20:31,331
So, until Ron had cleared
it, we were all ahead.
437
00:20:31,431 --> 00:20:33,400
I was worried about my
brother getting busted.
438
00:20:33,500 --> 00:20:34,867
Ron was worried
about getting busted.
439
00:20:34,967 --> 00:20:38,305
Trav was probably worried
that we'd lose everything.
440
00:20:38,405 --> 00:20:41,808
And the one guy picks
up the one wooden tabla,
441
00:20:41,908 --> 00:20:44,711
the drum, and he says,
"This thing's heavy.
442
00:20:44,811 --> 00:20:46,746
"He says, it must
be solid wood."
443
00:20:46,846 --> 00:20:48,981
And other customs agents
picks up another one,
444
00:20:49,081 --> 00:20:51,818
and said, "Yeah, and I
suppose this is solid metal."
445
00:20:51,918 --> 00:20:53,553
And they're looking
at each other.
446
00:20:53,653 --> 00:20:55,221
And I'm just standing there.
447
00:20:55,322 --> 00:20:59,592
They said, okay, you can go.
448
00:20:59,692 --> 00:21:01,894
So, we showed up
with 88 pounds of hash
449
00:21:01,994 --> 00:21:03,830
that nobody even knew
that hash was like that.
450
00:21:03,930 --> 00:21:04,897
It was so good,
so different
451
00:21:04,997 --> 00:21:06,699
than anything we'd
ever seen before.
452
00:21:06,799 --> 00:21:08,835
There's, it's the best
hash in the world.
453
00:21:12,772 --> 00:21:16,609
I'm in Ann Arbor
at a college commune,
454
00:21:16,709 --> 00:21:18,978
and I walk in,
455
00:21:19,078 --> 00:21:24,617
and this wonderful
aroma wharfs past me,
456
00:21:24,717 --> 00:21:27,920
and it was almost like
a moment, you know,
457
00:21:28,020 --> 00:21:29,856
that I really, to this day,
458
00:21:29,956 --> 00:21:31,724
I mean how many
years ago was that?
459
00:21:31,824 --> 00:21:34,694
45 or something, 50 years ago,
460
00:21:34,794 --> 00:21:36,863
and I'm still thinking
of when I think of it.
461
00:21:36,963 --> 00:21:40,533
It really is a moment of wow.
462
00:21:40,633 --> 00:21:41,868
And I said, "This
stuff's really good.
463
00:21:41,968 --> 00:21:43,102
"Where'd you get it?"
464
00:21:43,202 --> 00:21:44,771
And he said,
465
00:21:44,871 --> 00:21:47,974
"These people called The
Brotherhood bring it in."
466
00:21:48,074 --> 00:21:51,411
And I said, "There's people
called The Brotherhood?"
467
00:21:51,511 --> 00:21:55,081
And I said,
"Well, that sounds cool."
468
00:21:55,181 --> 00:21:56,949
People were
associating this hash
469
00:21:57,049 --> 00:21:59,285
from Afghanistan
with the Brotherhood,
470
00:21:59,386 --> 00:22:00,920
because we were the
ones that had it.
471
00:22:01,020 --> 00:22:03,823
And the name Brotherhood
probably went along with it.
472
00:22:03,923 --> 00:22:05,224
It was dealt in pounds.
473
00:22:05,324 --> 00:22:06,893
Then it was dealt in ounces.
474
00:22:06,993 --> 00:22:09,562
Then it was dealt
in grams, you know.
475
00:22:09,662 --> 00:22:11,998
- Everybody had to have some,
476
00:22:12,098 --> 00:22:15,435
and then of course that just
set everyone to thinking,
477
00:22:15,535 --> 00:22:20,206
we can do this, you know?
478
00:22:20,306 --> 00:22:24,977
John and I had started to
pursue the idea of providing
479
00:22:25,077 --> 00:22:28,981
massive amounts of LSD,
as much acid as we could.
480
00:22:29,081 --> 00:22:31,083
We went
through a number phases
481
00:22:31,183 --> 00:22:33,920
where we got different
types of LSD.
482
00:22:34,020 --> 00:22:37,356
There was 7th Chakra
Lavendar, Blue Levis.
483
00:22:37,457 --> 00:22:40,026
There was Red Tab.
484
00:22:40,126 --> 00:22:42,128
Ram Dass, who was
Richard Alpert's said,
485
00:22:42,228 --> 00:22:43,496
"You guys need a center.
486
00:22:43,596 --> 00:22:47,700
"You need a place to
explain how you're
487
00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:48,768
"surviving."
488
00:22:48,868 --> 00:22:50,937
Because now we're selling acid.
489
00:22:51,037 --> 00:22:53,606
* Pack too much baby
490
00:22:53,706 --> 00:22:54,974
* Say you'll be my girl
491
00:22:55,074 --> 00:22:58,144
So, we
went to Laguna Beach.
492
00:22:58,244 --> 00:23:01,414
It was an artist colony.
493
00:23:01,514 --> 00:23:05,317
It was the most liberal of
places in Orange County.
494
00:23:05,418 --> 00:23:07,186
Who doesn't like the beach?
495
00:23:07,286 --> 00:23:09,656
* Back again let me in
496
00:23:09,756 --> 00:23:11,991
* The war is over
where you been *
497
00:23:12,091 --> 00:23:14,326
Johnny and I started
immediately talking
498
00:23:14,427 --> 00:23:16,395
that a bookstore,
499
00:23:16,496 --> 00:23:17,997
a metaphysical bookstore,
500
00:23:18,097 --> 00:23:20,199
that's what we were gonna do.
501
00:23:20,299 --> 00:23:24,403
And we then found the place
on Pacific Coast Highway
502
00:23:24,504 --> 00:23:27,173
that was just way bigger
than a bookstore place,
503
00:23:27,273 --> 00:23:28,407
but it looked perfect
504
00:23:28,508 --> 00:23:30,810
and the whole thing
just expanded out like,
505
00:23:30,910 --> 00:23:32,011
"Well, hell let's
506
00:23:32,111 --> 00:23:34,046
"put a bookstore here
and other stores there."
507
00:23:34,146 --> 00:23:36,148
It became a bigger vision.
508
00:23:36,248 --> 00:23:39,919
And that way we
could be creative and
509
00:23:40,019 --> 00:23:42,021
more hide what we were doing.
510
00:23:42,121 --> 00:23:44,691
* Walk right by
the old news baby *
511
00:23:44,791 --> 00:23:46,893
A clothing store,
handmade clothing,
512
00:23:46,993 --> 00:23:50,162
there was a bead
store, art gallery,
513
00:23:50,262 --> 00:23:52,064
a health food juice bar,
514
00:23:52,164 --> 00:23:54,066
and we called it
Mystic Arts World.
515
00:23:54,166 --> 00:23:55,668
And it was a hit,
516
00:23:55,768 --> 00:23:58,004
and the place started
making money from day one.
517
00:23:58,104 --> 00:24:00,172
* Hey hey hey hey
518
00:24:00,272 --> 00:24:02,709
* No no no no
519
00:24:02,809 --> 00:24:05,512
The
Los Angeles Times said
520
00:24:05,612 --> 00:24:08,881
that, "Mystic Arts World
was the finest gallery
521
00:24:08,981 --> 00:24:10,917
"in southern California."
522
00:24:11,017 --> 00:24:12,852
There was nothing
like it around.
523
00:24:12,952 --> 00:24:14,854
There has never been
anything like it around.
524
00:24:14,954 --> 00:24:18,591
It was a psychedelic emporium.
525
00:24:18,691 --> 00:24:20,126
Mystic
Arts became the center
526
00:24:20,226 --> 00:24:21,127
for southern California
527
00:24:21,227 --> 00:24:22,361
for the hippie movement,
528
00:24:22,461 --> 00:24:23,630
and the psychedelic movement,
529
00:24:23,730 --> 00:24:25,231
the spiritual movement,
530
00:24:25,331 --> 00:24:27,033
and Laguna became the
town everyone flocked to.
531
00:24:27,133 --> 00:24:29,869
It was like Haight
Ashbury south.
532
00:24:29,969 --> 00:24:32,138
And we ended calling
the place Dodge City,
533
00:24:32,238 --> 00:24:34,106
because of everybody
was dealing pot,
534
00:24:34,206 --> 00:24:35,875
and psychedelics, and just,
535
00:24:35,975 --> 00:24:40,613
I mean, it became the place.
536
00:24:40,713 --> 00:24:42,549
There was no
law there, you know.
537
00:24:42,649 --> 00:24:44,050
It was the wild west,
538
00:24:44,150 --> 00:24:45,217
and a new frontier.
539
00:24:45,317 --> 00:24:47,253
You know, it was
our own community.
540
00:24:47,353 --> 00:24:48,921
It
was like the Shire,
541
00:24:49,021 --> 00:24:53,660
this beautiful idyllic
little weird community.
542
00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:55,261
You could
just go out on the street,
543
00:24:55,361 --> 00:24:56,395
and you'd run into
somebody you knew,
544
00:24:56,495 --> 00:24:57,997
and have a conversation,
545
00:24:58,097 --> 00:24:59,932
or go over to their house
and smoke a joint with them,
546
00:25:00,032 --> 00:25:01,734
or get some waves, go surfing.
547
00:25:01,834 --> 00:25:05,271
It was all so relaxed
and sort of utopia.
548
00:25:05,371 --> 00:25:08,274
Johnny used to
love to take acid and surf.
549
00:25:08,374 --> 00:25:10,142
That was their whole thing.
550
00:25:10,242 --> 00:25:11,644
That's what got 'em all goin'.
551
00:25:11,744 --> 00:25:14,981
A lot of the surfers, they
called it Christ in the curl.
552
00:25:15,081 --> 00:25:18,117
You had surfers meeting
with all the hippies
553
00:25:18,217 --> 00:25:19,518
and everybody smoked weed.
554
00:25:19,619 --> 00:25:20,920
Everybody took acid.
555
00:25:21,020 --> 00:25:23,055
Everybody did.
556
00:25:23,155 --> 00:25:25,324
Chuch Wendell
had brought Mike Hynson
557
00:25:25,424 --> 00:25:28,360
out to the canyon to meet us.
558
00:25:28,460 --> 00:25:30,196
Mike Hynson was
the best surfer
559
00:25:30,296 --> 00:25:32,431
in the world,
practically in the day,
560
00:25:32,531 --> 00:25:36,035
and a movie star, kind of.
561
00:25:36,135 --> 00:25:39,839
His story on black
speech in San Diego once,
562
00:25:39,939 --> 00:25:41,440
we're passing a
joint back and forth,
563
00:25:41,540 --> 00:25:43,042
both high on acid,
564
00:25:43,142 --> 00:25:44,476
and Mike picked up his board,
565
00:25:44,577 --> 00:25:48,147
and he jumps in the water
with the joint still lit,
566
00:25:48,247 --> 00:25:50,016
jumps into this wave,
567
00:25:50,116 --> 00:25:52,051
catches it just perfect,
568
00:25:52,151 --> 00:25:55,287
and he disappeared
inside the curl,
569
00:25:55,387 --> 00:25:56,723
and sitting on the
beach, can't see him.
570
00:25:56,823 --> 00:25:58,390
And all of a sudden
he comes flying out
571
00:25:58,490 --> 00:26:01,527
the back end of the wave
kind of sitting cross-legged
572
00:26:01,628 --> 00:26:03,830
on the back of the surfboard,
573
00:26:03,930 --> 00:26:07,533
and hops off, grabs
the surfboard,
574
00:26:07,634 --> 00:26:13,773
and the joint is still lit.
575
00:26:13,873 --> 00:26:16,843
He said, "That's how you're
supposed to do it, brother."
576
00:26:16,943 --> 00:26:19,612
You know, it was like, my God.
577
00:26:27,620 --> 00:26:30,356
Selling psychedelics
was a dharmic way to be.
578
00:26:30,456 --> 00:26:32,358
It was a good way
to make a living.
579
00:26:32,458 --> 00:26:33,492
It was honest.
580
00:26:33,592 --> 00:26:35,527
It was a good product.
581
00:26:35,628 --> 00:26:37,997
It was wanted, you know.
582
00:26:38,097 --> 00:26:43,169
The only problem
is it was illegal.
583
00:26:43,269 --> 00:26:45,271
- Because they made it illegal,
584
00:26:45,371 --> 00:26:47,273
it produced commerce.
585
00:26:47,373 --> 00:26:49,075
All the hippies can't
be just smoking weed
586
00:26:49,175 --> 00:26:50,009
and taking LSD.
587
00:26:50,109 --> 00:26:52,011
Someone has to make the money.
588
00:26:52,111 --> 00:26:53,345
Now there was bands.
589
00:26:53,445 --> 00:26:54,681
There was health food stores.
590
00:26:54,781 --> 00:26:55,915
There was record shops,
591
00:26:56,015 --> 00:26:58,250
but the main commerce
came from the LSD,
592
00:26:58,350 --> 00:27:00,186
the marijuana, and the hashish.
593
00:27:00,286 --> 00:27:01,754
From the smugglers
to the ground dealer,
594
00:27:01,854 --> 00:27:03,455
this started a commerce
595
00:27:03,555 --> 00:27:10,262
that allowed the hippie
movement to happen.
596
00:27:10,362 --> 00:27:11,397
The movement
597
00:27:11,497 --> 00:27:13,565
and the name of The Brotherhood
598
00:27:13,666 --> 00:27:15,301
kept getting bigger and bigger.
599
00:27:15,401 --> 00:27:18,404
And I think a lot of
people realized that
600
00:27:18,504 --> 00:27:21,774
we were gonna be
a major influence
601
00:27:21,874 --> 00:27:24,476
in the psychedelic world.
602
00:27:30,516 --> 00:27:31,884
- I was an attorney.
603
00:27:31,984 --> 00:27:34,486
I had been practicing
for a number of years.
604
00:27:34,586 --> 00:27:37,924
We were representing a lot of
draft resisters at the time
605
00:27:38,024 --> 00:27:40,793
and a lot of drug
dealers at the time.
606
00:27:40,893 --> 00:27:42,829
My basic view of the law was
607
00:27:42,929 --> 00:27:45,297
anybody our
government didn't like
608
00:27:45,397 --> 00:27:46,598
couldn't be all bad.
609
00:27:46,699 --> 00:27:49,501
So, we represented criminals.
610
00:27:49,601 --> 00:27:51,838
We were very
political ourselves,
611
00:27:51,938 --> 00:27:57,176
very proud student activists.
612
00:27:57,276 --> 00:27:59,445
I mean,
I think the 60s was
613
00:27:59,545 --> 00:28:02,448
the perfect storm
in so many ways.
614
00:28:02,548 --> 00:28:04,316
With all the
background of people
615
00:28:04,416 --> 00:28:06,819
just getting sick
and tired of racism,
616
00:28:06,919 --> 00:28:10,089
women wanting to be
treated more equally
617
00:28:10,189 --> 00:28:11,924
in society and they weren't.
618
00:28:12,024 --> 00:28:13,793
It was
during the Vietnam War.
619
00:28:13,893 --> 00:28:16,328
You know, nobody wanted
to go fight the war.
620
00:28:16,428 --> 00:28:17,296
Nobody wanted to do that.
621
00:28:17,396 --> 00:28:19,165
It was all about peace and love.
622
00:28:19,265 --> 00:28:21,367
- You had the marches going on.
623
00:28:21,467 --> 00:28:23,435
They know it was,
624
00:28:23,535 --> 00:28:25,437
a lot of turmoil.
625
00:28:25,537 --> 00:28:27,639
- Great steps forward often come
626
00:28:27,740 --> 00:28:30,542
from a surprising stimulus.
627
00:28:30,642 --> 00:28:33,946
Psychedelics was just the
catalyst you drop into it,
628
00:28:34,046 --> 00:28:37,817
and it all started to
gel and come together.
629
00:28:37,917 --> 00:28:39,351
People just said,
630
00:28:39,451 --> 00:28:41,387
"We're not gonna put
up with this anymore.
631
00:28:41,487 --> 00:28:46,092
"This isn't right,
and so we rebuild."
632
00:28:50,797 --> 00:28:53,032
We were there for
the Berkeley riots.
633
00:28:53,132 --> 00:28:55,234
400 police
officers moved skirmish lines
634
00:28:55,334 --> 00:28:56,535
through the area.
635
00:28:56,635 --> 00:28:58,337
My beautiful girls
would run around topless,
636
00:28:58,437 --> 00:29:00,672
and give the soldiers flowers,
637
00:29:00,773 --> 00:29:03,242
and sometimes refreshments
638
00:29:03,342 --> 00:29:05,511
that were laced with
acid, of course.
639
00:29:05,611 --> 00:29:07,814
There were times
when we'd go out,
640
00:29:07,914 --> 00:29:11,083
and this roadblock
isn't there anymore.
641
00:29:11,183 --> 00:29:14,186
All the guards are layin'
on the lawns of the houses,
642
00:29:14,286 --> 00:29:15,554
in their uniform,
643
00:29:15,654 --> 00:29:18,357
with their stupid looking
old bolt action rifles,
644
00:29:18,457 --> 00:29:19,892
flowers in the stock,
645
00:29:19,992 --> 00:29:22,494
and they're as loaded
as they could be.
646
00:29:22,594 --> 00:29:25,264
There was a time, particularly
in southern California,
647
00:29:25,364 --> 00:29:26,565
where word spread.
648
00:29:26,665 --> 00:29:28,434
It was mostly mythology,
649
00:29:28,534 --> 00:29:32,338
The Brotherhood of Eternal
Love could take a tab of acid,
650
00:29:32,438 --> 00:29:34,240
and with a little
pair of gloves,
651
00:29:34,340 --> 00:29:36,242
they'd put it on your doorknob.
652
00:29:36,342 --> 00:29:38,377
They could put it in
your drinking water.
653
00:29:38,477 --> 00:29:40,346
They could put it everywhere,
654
00:29:40,446 --> 00:29:42,448
and you didn't even
know it had hit you
655
00:29:42,548 --> 00:29:44,083
until you were stoned
outta your mind,
656
00:29:44,183 --> 00:29:45,584
and wondering, "Whoa!
657
00:29:45,684 --> 00:29:50,022
"Why am I looking into the
face of God all of a sudden?"
658
00:29:50,122 --> 00:29:52,524
We were on a
mission to change the world,
659
00:29:52,624 --> 00:29:55,427
and we were doing it by
supplying psychedelics
660
00:29:55,527 --> 00:29:57,263
to help change
people's thinking.
661
00:29:57,363 --> 00:29:59,098
So, it was worth the risk.
662
00:29:59,198 --> 00:30:00,766
- It began a year ago,
663
00:30:00,867 --> 00:30:03,035
when to so-called
free speech advocates,
664
00:30:03,135 --> 00:30:05,471
who in truth have no
appreciation for freedom,
665
00:30:05,571 --> 00:30:07,306
were allowed to
assault and humiliate
666
00:30:07,406 --> 00:30:08,941
the symbol of law and
order of policemen
667
00:30:09,041 --> 00:30:10,209
on the campus.
668
00:30:10,309 --> 00:30:11,477
What we were doing
became political
669
00:30:11,577 --> 00:30:13,779
because it influenced
so many people.
670
00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:16,382
This year, I will
propose a drug control act,
671
00:30:16,482 --> 00:30:18,117
to provide stricter penalties
672
00:30:18,217 --> 00:30:21,687
for those who traffic in LSD,
673
00:30:21,787 --> 00:30:25,124
and other dangerous
drugs with our people.
674
00:30:25,224 --> 00:30:28,560
The time has come
to stop the sale
675
00:30:28,660 --> 00:30:30,562
of slavery to the young.
676
00:30:30,662 --> 00:30:32,564
The war on drugs
was a war on us.
677
00:30:32,664 --> 00:30:35,434
The war on drugs is a
war on psychedelics,
678
00:30:35,534 --> 00:30:37,569
things that they cannot control.
679
00:30:37,669 --> 00:30:39,805
20,000 young
people filled the canyon
680
00:30:39,906 --> 00:30:42,508
outside the resort
town of Laguna Beach.
681
00:30:42,608 --> 00:30:44,944
They came by the thousands
to sleep on the ground,
682
00:30:45,044 --> 00:30:46,612
or in their cars and campers.
683
00:30:46,712 --> 00:30:47,846
We were
starting to realize
684
00:30:47,947 --> 00:30:49,615
that more and more
people shared the vision
685
00:30:49,715 --> 00:30:51,483
that we'd had, which was great.
686
00:30:51,583 --> 00:30:53,452
Think, "Oh, yeah,
this is really good.
687
00:30:53,552 --> 00:30:54,653
"You know, it's spreading.
688
00:30:54,753 --> 00:30:56,355
"It's spreading like we
were hoping it would."
689
00:30:56,455 --> 00:30:59,425
Drugs are just an
everyday part of life here.
690
00:30:59,525 --> 00:31:01,360
It's a special day
that it's really happy
691
00:31:01,460 --> 00:31:06,332
and a lot of people and
a lot of brotherhood.
692
00:31:06,432 --> 00:31:09,001
- I had come to Laguna,
693
00:31:09,101 --> 00:31:11,637
and I wanted to get more hash.
694
00:31:11,737 --> 00:31:13,705
While I was there,
I had met everyone,
695
00:31:13,805 --> 00:31:16,042
and everyone was really nice,
696
00:31:16,142 --> 00:31:19,611
but I was wondering, you know,
697
00:31:19,711 --> 00:31:21,713
where's the Brotherhood?
698
00:31:21,813 --> 00:31:23,282
Who's the Brotherhood?
699
00:31:23,382 --> 00:31:25,884
You know, they were
supposedly the people who,
700
00:31:25,985 --> 00:31:27,886
who get this and I actually,
701
00:31:27,987 --> 00:31:31,357
had kind of paid
for that connection.
702
00:31:31,457 --> 00:31:33,559
So, I wanted to, I wanted,
703
00:31:33,659 --> 00:31:36,062
I didn't want to go
through other people.
704
00:31:36,162 --> 00:31:37,997
The rock
lovers keep coming.
705
00:31:38,097 --> 00:31:39,531
They leave their cars and walk.
706
00:31:39,631 --> 00:31:44,803
The last of '66,
'67, and into '68,
707
00:31:44,903 --> 00:31:48,374
Laguna was like an anthill,
708
00:31:48,474 --> 00:31:51,710
and just, just these hippy-types
709
00:31:51,810 --> 00:31:55,447
just buzzin' around.
710
00:31:55,547 --> 00:31:57,183
I'll never forget my first time
711
00:31:57,283 --> 00:31:58,917
I actually parked there,
712
00:31:59,018 --> 00:32:00,919
and I walked down at sunset.
713
00:32:01,020 --> 00:32:02,554
It was about 7:00 at night,
714
00:32:02,654 --> 00:32:05,257
and I looked out there,
715
00:32:05,357 --> 00:32:07,559
and as far as you
could see both ways,
716
00:32:07,659 --> 00:32:10,396
there was more potheads
down there smokin'
717
00:32:10,496 --> 00:32:13,199
watchin' the sun goin'
down cross-legged,
718
00:32:13,299 --> 00:32:14,566
"Om...
719
00:32:14,666 --> 00:32:16,768
"Om..."
720
00:32:16,868 --> 00:32:21,140
And I'm just thinkin',
"You know, nothing.
721
00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:23,675
"I guess this is just
a free wide open place,
722
00:32:23,775 --> 00:32:25,077
"but this is bull.
723
00:32:25,177 --> 00:32:26,512
"Marijuana's a felony.
724
00:32:26,612 --> 00:32:28,514
"All these other
drugs are felonies."
725
00:32:28,614 --> 00:32:30,949
And I'm gonna,
726
00:32:31,050 --> 00:32:33,185
I'm going to make
it my business.
727
00:32:38,224 --> 00:32:41,227
The orders of the police
department at that time was,
728
00:32:41,327 --> 00:32:44,296
we're gonna write as many
tickets as we can write,
729
00:32:44,396 --> 00:32:46,698
and we're gonna make as
many arrests as you can.
730
00:32:46,798 --> 00:32:51,603
That's all there is to it.
731
00:32:51,703 --> 00:32:53,272
Well,
we opened up the shop,
732
00:32:53,372 --> 00:32:55,307
and people started
coming from all around,
733
00:32:55,407 --> 00:32:57,576
and hanging out on the
sidewalk in front there,
734
00:32:57,676 --> 00:32:59,978
and smoking pot
and getting busted.
735
00:33:00,079 --> 00:33:02,248
It just slowly sort of built up,
736
00:33:02,348 --> 00:33:03,615
that notoriety,
737
00:33:03,715 --> 00:33:05,284
which brought
people like Purcell
738
00:33:05,384 --> 00:33:07,986
to start trying to
observe us more closely.
739
00:33:08,087 --> 00:33:10,089
You know, from behind
the bushes and stuff,
740
00:33:10,189 --> 00:33:13,725
watching.
741
00:33:13,825 --> 00:33:16,262
- By now, we had a reputation,
742
00:33:16,362 --> 00:33:18,330
that The Brotherhood
can move it,
743
00:33:18,430 --> 00:33:19,598
you know, whatever it is.
744
00:33:19,698 --> 00:33:25,504
If it's good, it's
pure, we can move it.
745
00:33:25,604 --> 00:33:27,139
The cops
used to come in there,
746
00:33:27,239 --> 00:33:29,108
trying to rouse people
and bust people,
747
00:33:29,208 --> 00:33:33,145
and it was just a big
game of cops and robbers.
748
00:33:33,245 --> 00:33:36,182
Neil Purcell pulls into
Dodge City, you know,
749
00:33:36,282 --> 00:33:40,252
and were smokin' the hooka
at one of the hotels.
750
00:33:40,352 --> 00:33:42,621
He came running in
there all by himself,
751
00:33:42,721 --> 00:33:43,822
"You're all under arrest!"
752
00:33:43,922 --> 00:33:45,457
Somebody pushed him
into the swimming pool
753
00:33:45,557 --> 00:33:46,692
in his uniform,
754
00:33:46,792 --> 00:33:48,360
and we grabbed the hooka
and everybody left.
755
00:33:48,460 --> 00:33:49,861
By the time he got
out of the pool,
756
00:33:49,961 --> 00:33:50,796
nobody was there.
757
00:33:50,896 --> 00:33:53,665
He fucking hated us.
758
00:33:53,765 --> 00:33:55,101
In those days, you know,
759
00:33:55,201 --> 00:33:59,305
most people would really
bow to authority's rule,
760
00:33:59,405 --> 00:34:01,373
but we didn't.
761
00:34:01,473 --> 00:34:02,808
We refused to behave,
762
00:34:02,908 --> 00:34:05,811
or even to pretend to
behave, we refused to.
763
00:34:05,911 --> 00:34:08,013
You know, it was just
like in your face,
764
00:34:08,114 --> 00:34:11,617
"No, we're gonna
be the way we are."
765
00:34:11,717 --> 00:34:13,819
We were gettin' stoned,
we were smokin' dope,
766
00:34:13,919 --> 00:34:17,723
takin' acid, pursuing
a spiritual life.
767
00:34:24,330 --> 00:34:27,032
Everything grows organically.
768
00:34:27,133 --> 00:34:30,702
You start selling acid to
10 people, then 100 people,
769
00:34:30,802 --> 00:34:32,371
then thousands of people,
770
00:34:32,471 --> 00:34:36,775
and pretty soon
you have a demand.
771
00:34:36,875 --> 00:34:41,280
These guys Nick, Sam, and Tim
Scully made a bunch of acid.
772
00:34:45,317 --> 00:34:47,186
It was the largest
amount of acid
773
00:34:47,286 --> 00:34:48,854
that was available for sale
774
00:34:48,954 --> 00:34:51,056
that was real, real good,
that we knew of, and so...
775
00:34:51,157 --> 00:34:52,724
They wanted The Brotherhood
to be the distributors
776
00:34:52,824 --> 00:34:53,925
of the LSD.
777
00:34:54,025 --> 00:34:56,362
Up until that point,
the main distributors
778
00:34:56,462 --> 00:34:58,430
were the Hells Angels.
779
00:34:58,530 --> 00:35:00,332
We
wanted the exclusive.
780
00:35:00,432 --> 00:35:01,900
You don't want five
people to have this.
781
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:05,404
You want one group to have it.
782
00:35:05,504 --> 00:35:07,606
We saw something in each other,
783
00:35:07,706 --> 00:35:09,608
Nick, and I, and Johnny.
784
00:35:09,708 --> 00:35:12,944
And that was it,
we were the guys.
785
00:35:13,044 --> 00:35:15,247
So many
miraculous things happened,
786
00:35:15,347 --> 00:35:18,350
that made it possible
to do the things we did.
787
00:35:18,450 --> 00:35:22,954
It feels like there was
divine intervention involved.
788
00:35:23,054 --> 00:35:24,290
- They came up with these bags,
789
00:35:24,390 --> 00:35:27,593
these old bags of yellow tabs,
790
00:35:27,693 --> 00:35:30,262
and orange tabs,
791
00:35:30,362 --> 00:35:32,798
and blue tabs.
792
00:35:32,898 --> 00:35:35,701
For some reason, everyone
liked the orange ones.
793
00:35:35,801 --> 00:35:38,404
We had it all in
the trunk of this car,
794
00:35:38,504 --> 00:35:39,805
and turned on the radio,
795
00:35:39,905 --> 00:35:41,907
and there was Back
on the Street Again,
796
00:35:42,007 --> 00:35:43,775
by the Sunshine Company.
797
00:35:43,875 --> 00:35:46,445
And they named
'em Orange Sunshine.
798
00:35:46,545 --> 00:35:52,484
It became, like
overnight famous.
799
00:35:52,584 --> 00:35:56,121
I remember flying back east
with a small duffle bag
800
00:35:56,222 --> 00:35:59,425
that had baggies
of Orange Sunshine.
801
00:35:59,525 --> 00:36:01,660
And you know, it'd
just take five hours
802
00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:03,795
to get it from the west coast
and it'd be on the east coast
803
00:36:03,895 --> 00:36:05,297
as fast as the plane lands,
804
00:36:05,397 --> 00:36:08,500
and pretty soon the acid
hits the street that night.
805
00:36:12,538 --> 00:36:14,640
Chuck Scott, he
was kind of the one
806
00:36:14,740 --> 00:36:18,310
that got the New York
Market established for us.
807
00:36:18,410 --> 00:36:20,812
And we had people
in Laguna Beach
808
00:36:20,912 --> 00:36:24,850
that sold a lot of
acid on the west coast.
809
00:36:24,950 --> 00:36:25,951
* What'd you take
810
00:36:26,051 --> 00:36:27,085
* Orange Sunshine
811
00:36:27,185 --> 00:36:28,086
* Do you want more
812
00:36:28,186 --> 00:36:29,921
* Yeah yeah
813
00:36:30,021 --> 00:36:31,857
- Orange Sunshine
814
00:36:31,957 --> 00:36:33,825
became synonymous
with The Brotherhood.
815
00:36:33,925 --> 00:36:36,462
It became a household
name damn quick.
816
00:36:36,562 --> 00:36:38,464
Sunshine was far more popular
817
00:36:38,564 --> 00:36:40,999
than say, Windowpane,
Purple Haze,
818
00:36:41,099 --> 00:36:44,002
or other things
that were around.
819
00:36:44,102 --> 00:36:46,338
The Grateful
Dead was always in love
820
00:36:46,438 --> 00:36:47,539
with The Brotherhood,
821
00:36:47,639 --> 00:36:49,608
because although
their music was great,
822
00:36:49,708 --> 00:36:52,944
it was even greater
with Orange Sunshine.
823
00:36:56,982 --> 00:36:59,318
People in
Hollywood were interested.
824
00:36:59,418 --> 00:37:01,186
People came from all over.
825
00:37:01,287 --> 00:37:03,289
- Acid, Sunshine?
826
00:37:03,389 --> 00:37:04,990
It was happening
in San Francisco.
827
00:37:05,090 --> 00:37:06,224
It was happening in Amsterdam,
828
00:37:06,325 --> 00:37:07,826
in England, and Germany.
829
00:37:07,926 --> 00:37:09,961
The kids, all over the world,
830
00:37:10,061 --> 00:37:12,197
got this LSD at the same time.
831
00:37:12,298 --> 00:37:15,033
Paul, how
often have you taken LSD?
832
00:37:15,133 --> 00:37:17,035
- About four times.
833
00:37:17,135 --> 00:37:19,070
Where
did you get it from?
834
00:37:19,170 --> 00:37:20,171
- Oh, you know, I mean,
835
00:37:20,272 --> 00:37:21,673
if I was to say
where I got it from,
836
00:37:21,773 --> 00:37:22,874
you know it's illegal
and everything,
837
00:37:22,974 --> 00:37:24,843
it's silly to say then.
838
00:37:24,943 --> 00:37:26,912
It was in every
city there was,
839
00:37:27,012 --> 00:37:28,246
and it had a name,
840
00:37:28,347 --> 00:37:29,915
and you know, the
Orange Sunshine.
841
00:37:30,015 --> 00:37:31,417
I took some acid,
842
00:37:31,517 --> 00:37:34,753
and they were these
little orange pills.
843
00:37:34,853 --> 00:37:35,921
- Were they barrel-shaped?
844
00:37:36,021 --> 00:37:37,523
Uh, yes.
845
00:37:37,623 --> 00:37:39,725
Okay, right, you did some
Orange Sunshine, Peter.
846
00:37:46,932 --> 00:37:49,067
We
eclipsed everything.
847
00:37:49,167 --> 00:37:54,840
You know, we were
the Coca-Cola of LSD.
848
00:37:54,940 --> 00:37:57,709
I never sold LSD or
smuggled it to make money.
849
00:37:57,809 --> 00:37:59,445
Ever, I can honestly say that.
850
00:37:59,545 --> 00:38:02,548
Most of us said, "Hey,
the LSD should be free."
851
00:38:02,648 --> 00:38:04,049
That was John's dream.
852
00:38:04,149 --> 00:38:06,117
John's dream was everybody
did LSD for free.
853
00:38:06,217 --> 00:38:09,087
He said it should be in
gum machines on the corner.
854
00:38:09,187 --> 00:38:12,090
When more money came in,
it didn't matter to us.
855
00:38:12,190 --> 00:38:15,427
The money just afforded us
to try and make more acid.
856
00:38:15,527 --> 00:38:17,629
Nobody was living
high on the hog,
857
00:38:17,729 --> 00:38:20,432
and had Cadillacs or fancy cars.
858
00:38:20,532 --> 00:38:22,768
I mean, I drove my old pickup.
859
00:38:22,868 --> 00:38:26,972
People maintained the
same spiritual values.
860
00:38:27,072 --> 00:38:29,107
We just got bigger and we just,
861
00:38:29,207 --> 00:38:32,644
it made the machine
grow in a organic way.
862
00:38:32,744 --> 00:38:36,247
We made a lot of LSD,
a whole lot of it.
863
00:38:54,533 --> 00:38:57,969
At that point, you
could feel the police presence,
864
00:38:58,069 --> 00:39:00,806
snooping around and
asking questions,
865
00:39:00,906 --> 00:39:03,074
and watching people.
866
00:39:03,174 --> 00:39:04,910
When you add the element
of what we're doing
867
00:39:05,010 --> 00:39:06,311
is very, very risky.
868
00:39:06,412 --> 00:39:07,946
Don't forget the fear part,
869
00:39:08,046 --> 00:39:11,316
and the prayers of "I hope we
don't get caught doin' this,
870
00:39:11,417 --> 00:39:12,951
"'cause this isn't...
871
00:39:13,051 --> 00:39:15,687
"This isn't a platinum
record we're doing here.
872
00:39:15,787 --> 00:39:19,124
"This is something that could
send you to jail forever."
873
00:39:19,224 --> 00:39:20,826
- Cops, or narcs,
874
00:39:20,926 --> 00:39:23,094
or whoever they who were
would sit out in their cars
875
00:39:23,194 --> 00:39:26,131
and just watch people
coming in and going out.
876
00:39:26,231 --> 00:39:27,933
Trying to figure who's who,
877
00:39:28,033 --> 00:39:32,571
and hook who up to what and...
878
00:39:32,671 --> 00:39:39,177
Oh good luck.
879
00:39:39,277 --> 00:39:41,212
- The Brotherhood was known more
880
00:39:41,312 --> 00:39:43,615
as a mystical organization.
881
00:39:43,715 --> 00:39:45,451
There were a lot of
people that said,
882
00:39:45,551 --> 00:39:47,819
"It doesn't really
exist, It's not real."
883
00:39:47,919 --> 00:39:49,488
I never allowed
my picture taken,
884
00:39:49,588 --> 00:39:51,623
so people might know my name,
885
00:39:51,723 --> 00:39:55,126
but they wouldn't know
what I looked like.
886
00:39:55,226 --> 00:39:56,394
- After my first couple,
887
00:39:56,495 --> 00:39:58,163
my first trip or
two to Afghanistan,
888
00:39:58,263 --> 00:40:01,232
I decided we should probably
start getting fake ID.
889
00:40:01,332 --> 00:40:05,370
And, it was really
easy in those days.
890
00:40:08,406 --> 00:40:10,976
We had blank
Social Security cards,
891
00:40:11,076 --> 00:40:12,143
so you could fill in a number
892
00:40:12,243 --> 00:40:13,979
on the Social Security
card if you want.
893
00:40:14,079 --> 00:40:15,647
And what you do with
the birth certificate,
894
00:40:15,747 --> 00:40:17,516
is you could erase everything
on the birth certificate
895
00:40:17,616 --> 00:40:19,551
and put in other numbers
and make a copy of it,
896
00:40:19,651 --> 00:40:20,986
and then kind of
make it official.
897
00:40:21,086 --> 00:40:22,721
Put a stamp in there
and then emboss it,
898
00:40:22,821 --> 00:40:24,322
and it worked.
899
00:40:24,422 --> 00:40:25,991
The
idea was to travel
900
00:40:26,091 --> 00:40:27,325
under a fictitious name
901
00:40:27,425 --> 00:40:28,894
in case something happened
in a foreign country,
902
00:40:28,994 --> 00:40:30,829
and you could pay your
way out over there,
903
00:40:30,929 --> 00:40:32,931
so it wouldn't
reverberate back here
904
00:40:33,031 --> 00:40:34,432
and get us in trouble here.
905
00:40:34,533 --> 00:40:37,202
We were using the
names of dead people
906
00:40:37,302 --> 00:40:39,437
and going and getting passports.
907
00:40:39,538 --> 00:40:43,609
I had four passports of
my own and three fakes.
908
00:40:43,709 --> 00:40:45,010
- I can remember going up to LA
909
00:40:45,110 --> 00:40:47,679
to the Passport Bureau one time,
910
00:40:47,779 --> 00:40:49,080
and I changed my appearance.
911
00:40:49,180 --> 00:40:51,116
I got some glasses that were
just plain glass though,
912
00:40:51,216 --> 00:40:53,919
stage glasses, and
changed my hair.
913
00:40:54,019 --> 00:40:56,187
I went in there and said, "I
need an expedited passport,
914
00:40:56,287 --> 00:40:57,623
"I'm leaving tomorrow."
915
00:40:57,723 --> 00:40:59,357
For an extra 20 bucks, man.
916
00:40:59,457 --> 00:41:02,594
"Okay", walked
out with a passport,
917
00:41:02,694 --> 00:41:04,696
right then, same day.
918
00:41:04,796 --> 00:41:07,365
Went out, went to a hotel room,
919
00:41:07,465 --> 00:41:10,201
changed my appearance,
completely.
920
00:41:10,301 --> 00:41:12,403
Went back the same day,
921
00:41:12,504 --> 00:41:14,105
went in a different cube,
922
00:41:14,205 --> 00:41:15,707
got in a different line,
923
00:41:15,807 --> 00:41:17,142
and got another passport,
924
00:41:17,242 --> 00:41:18,944
in the same office
in the same day,
925
00:41:19,044 --> 00:41:20,145
under two different IDs.
926
00:41:20,245 --> 00:41:21,312
No computers,
927
00:41:21,412 --> 00:41:22,981
there was not cross-referencing.
928
00:41:23,081 --> 00:41:24,115
- So, we were able to function
929
00:41:24,215 --> 00:41:29,020
right under their
nose, basically.
930
00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:32,090
We went on to
smuggle more Afghani hash,
931
00:41:32,190 --> 00:41:33,424
than anybody.
932
00:41:33,525 --> 00:41:34,926
We did big things.
933
00:41:35,026 --> 00:41:36,828
2400 pounds at a time.
934
00:41:36,928 --> 00:41:38,063
We weren't fuckin' around.
935
00:41:38,163 --> 00:41:40,265
We did one and
another and another.
936
00:41:40,365 --> 00:41:42,568
A couple brothers
would fly to Germany.
937
00:41:42,668 --> 00:41:44,469
Get a car into Afghanistan,
938
00:41:44,570 --> 00:41:46,738
meet up with the
Tilkai brothers,
939
00:41:46,838 --> 00:41:47,839
all this kind of stuff.
940
00:41:47,939 --> 00:41:50,609
Work out a deal,
200, 300, 500 pounds.
941
00:41:50,709 --> 00:41:52,177
After the dope was loaded,
942
00:41:52,277 --> 00:41:54,145
seal, weld 'em all back up,
943
00:41:54,245 --> 00:41:56,114
and maybe have it
shipped to Seattle.
944
00:41:56,214 --> 00:42:00,619
The drive it from Seattle,
Portland down to Laguna.
945
00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:02,120
They were not dummies.
946
00:42:02,220 --> 00:42:05,591
They had some smart
people in there,
947
00:42:05,691 --> 00:42:08,026
but they're all crooks.
948
00:42:31,249 --> 00:42:35,286
Winter of '67,
Timothy moved to Laguna.
949
00:42:35,386 --> 00:42:38,256
He came out and joined us.
950
00:42:38,356 --> 00:42:40,158
- Tim saw in the brotherhood,
951
00:42:40,258 --> 00:42:43,228
an actualization
of his own dreams,
952
00:42:43,328 --> 00:42:44,796
of his own imagination,
953
00:42:44,896 --> 00:42:46,632
and he loved it,
954
00:42:46,732 --> 00:42:48,533
and they loved him.
955
00:42:48,634 --> 00:42:50,335
- Timothy was a focal point,
956
00:42:50,435 --> 00:42:53,471
a spiritual focal point
that was necessary.
957
00:42:53,571 --> 00:42:55,306
And he was brilliant.
958
00:42:55,406 --> 00:42:59,878
And his spiritual
insight was profound.
959
00:42:59,978 --> 00:43:02,814
You know, John Griggs was
a holy, holy, holy man,
960
00:43:02,914 --> 00:43:06,351
and Timothy had a big
influence on John Griggs,
961
00:43:06,451 --> 00:43:09,988
but John Griggs had a bigger
influence on Timothy Leary.
962
00:43:10,088 --> 00:43:12,257
Timothy Leary
looked up to Johnny
963
00:43:12,357 --> 00:43:14,225
as a spiritual being.
964
00:43:14,325 --> 00:43:17,696
They both had the same
vision and the same dream,
965
00:43:17,796 --> 00:43:22,167
to turn the world on.
966
00:43:22,267 --> 00:43:26,237
The energy was moving so
fast at that particular time.
967
00:43:26,337 --> 00:43:28,373
- It got to a point where it...
968
00:43:28,473 --> 00:43:32,744
If somebody had some LSD,
or some pot, or some hash,
969
00:43:32,844 --> 00:43:35,080
and they said this was
from The Brotherhood,
970
00:43:35,180 --> 00:43:36,181
that's all they needed to say.
971
00:43:36,281 --> 00:43:40,418
It would be sold quick.
972
00:43:40,518 --> 00:43:42,053
It
was starting to slip
973
00:43:42,153 --> 00:43:45,256
into a different gear.
974
00:43:45,356 --> 00:43:47,425
Dodge City had been
taken over by more hippies,
975
00:43:47,525 --> 00:43:49,895
and rock 'n rollin',
976
00:43:49,995 --> 00:43:53,331
probably crazier than ever.
977
00:43:53,431 --> 00:43:54,465
More
and more people
978
00:43:54,565 --> 00:43:56,034
were peripherally
involved with us,
979
00:43:56,134 --> 00:43:57,568
and then you started
hearing people say,
980
00:43:57,669 --> 00:43:58,870
"You know so and so?"
981
00:43:58,970 --> 00:44:00,538
And I'd say, "No, I
don't know that person."
982
00:44:00,638 --> 00:44:02,040
"Well, they're
Brotherhood members."
983
00:44:02,140 --> 00:44:03,742
It wasn't for
the whole anymore.
984
00:44:03,842 --> 00:44:06,477
It was a group of a
bunch of smugglers
985
00:44:06,577 --> 00:44:07,478
that worked together.
986
00:44:07,578 --> 00:44:08,747
That was a whole 'nother thing.
987
00:44:08,847 --> 00:44:13,218
That's kind of a
business, in a way.
988
00:44:13,318 --> 00:44:14,720
Police were starting to go,
989
00:44:14,820 --> 00:44:18,423
"Oh my God this is getting
out of control, you know?"
990
00:44:18,523 --> 00:44:20,391
They're having big
public meetings
991
00:44:20,491 --> 00:44:23,561
with a few thousand
people showing up.
992
00:44:23,661 --> 00:44:24,896
The
game we played before
993
00:44:24,996 --> 00:44:26,131
was just cat and mouse,
994
00:44:26,231 --> 00:44:27,665
and we were always winning.
995
00:44:27,766 --> 00:44:30,668
Things got a little
more serious after that.
996
00:44:30,769 --> 00:44:32,270
They just wanted
us outta there.
997
00:44:32,370 --> 00:44:37,208
Laguna was tired of
the hippie scene.
998
00:44:37,308 --> 00:44:39,277
- Mystic Arts World was torched
999
00:44:39,377 --> 00:44:41,813
by the elders of Laguna Beach.
1000
00:44:41,913 --> 00:44:44,182
They arsoned our store.
1001
00:44:44,282 --> 00:44:47,418
They threw a fire bomb
through the fucking sky light,
1002
00:44:47,518 --> 00:44:51,156
and it smoke damaged everything.
1003
00:44:51,256 --> 00:44:55,260
And it was way too
hard to reopen.
1004
00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:57,863
The writing on the wall
was very clear to everyone.
1005
00:44:57,963 --> 00:45:02,167
It was probably that
those days were over.
1006
00:45:10,608 --> 00:45:13,278
The spring '68
is when we bought a ranch
1007
00:45:13,378 --> 00:45:17,348
in Idyllwild, California
called Fobes Ranch.
1008
00:45:17,448 --> 00:45:20,151
It was an experiment
in communal living.
1009
00:45:20,251 --> 00:45:22,854
We were trying to find
this ideal lifestyle,
1010
00:45:22,954 --> 00:45:24,522
and it was like
everybody contributing,
1011
00:45:24,622 --> 00:45:28,359
everybody pitching in,
whatever you can give.
1012
00:45:28,459 --> 00:45:29,995
We did everything together.
1013
00:45:30,095 --> 00:45:32,463
You know, we cooked
together, ate together,
1014
00:45:32,563 --> 00:45:35,033
you know, had our
ceremonies together.
1015
00:45:35,133 --> 00:45:37,869
The whole group, the
whole thing, it was family.
1016
00:45:37,969 --> 00:45:41,039
We were all a family.
1017
00:45:41,139 --> 00:45:44,509
Family values, that's what
we tried to cultivate,
1018
00:45:44,609 --> 00:45:48,613
and that was a lot
of Johnny's goal.
1019
00:45:48,713 --> 00:45:51,416
Everyone of my children,
from day one up,
1020
00:45:51,516 --> 00:45:54,485
they knew exactly
what was going on.
1021
00:45:54,585 --> 00:45:57,856
You know, they were
part of the movement.
1022
00:45:57,956 --> 00:46:00,391
If my children were
playing with the
1023
00:46:00,491 --> 00:46:02,360
outside of these realms,
1024
00:46:02,460 --> 00:46:05,997
they knew not to talk
about what went on,
1025
00:46:06,097 --> 00:46:10,635
and they were all very,
I would say, savvy.
1026
00:46:10,735 --> 00:46:15,273
They were miniature hippies.
1027
00:46:15,373 --> 00:46:20,178
The vision
was always to produce LSD,
1028
00:46:20,278 --> 00:46:23,348
but once we got to a
certain stage with that,
1029
00:46:23,448 --> 00:46:27,552
and Johnny saw I was
able to take care of it,
1030
00:46:27,652 --> 00:46:28,887
he moved back.
1031
00:46:28,987 --> 00:46:31,522
He wanted to live a
more domestic life,
1032
00:46:31,622 --> 00:46:37,195
and I took over for him with
the traveling and all of that.
1033
00:46:37,295 --> 00:46:39,730
I was always trying to
find Michael a girlfriend,
1034
00:46:39,831 --> 00:46:43,534
'cause he was a
sincere, neat guy.
1035
00:46:43,634 --> 00:46:47,538
I would have probably
been a lot more peaceful,
1036
00:46:47,638 --> 00:46:51,409
if I was just pursuing my
spiritual life at the ranch,
1037
00:46:51,509 --> 00:46:57,148
but I was obeying
a higher calling.
1038
00:46:57,248 --> 00:46:58,383
We were successful.
1039
00:46:58,483 --> 00:47:02,320
We sold everything
and we got to where
1040
00:47:02,420 --> 00:47:05,590
we were ready to
take the next step,
1041
00:47:05,690 --> 00:47:08,393
which was make more.
1042
00:47:08,493 --> 00:47:12,397
So, we bought a house
close to Palm Springs,
1043
00:47:12,497 --> 00:47:15,400
and we set up a lab in there.
1044
00:47:28,446 --> 00:47:31,616
Everybody took off to
Afghanistan to do these scams.
1045
00:47:31,716 --> 00:47:33,284
Well, we were tired of
doing these Volkswagens
1046
00:47:33,384 --> 00:47:35,954
and getting 400, 500
pounds in them, right?
1047
00:47:36,054 --> 00:47:38,356
So, we find the finest
motorhome we can,
1048
00:47:38,456 --> 00:47:40,591
and I go out to Pomona
and we buy a Lazy Days,
1049
00:47:40,691 --> 00:47:42,593
and we get this guy
Al that was in prison,
1050
00:47:42,693 --> 00:47:43,929
a Mexican welder,
1051
00:47:44,029 --> 00:47:46,297
and he does the car
just like we want.
1052
00:47:46,397 --> 00:47:48,199
I put stash places everywhere.
1053
00:47:48,299 --> 00:47:52,503
There was probably ten
different places to stash.
1054
00:47:52,603 --> 00:47:54,605
We did 1300 pounds in that one.
1055
00:47:54,705 --> 00:47:59,177
It was the first big one.
1056
00:48:03,548 --> 00:48:07,185
Summer of '68, I went
back to Afghanistan
1057
00:48:07,285 --> 00:48:09,921
to get another load.
1058
00:48:10,021 --> 00:48:12,057
Mike Henson and David Hall,
1059
00:48:12,157 --> 00:48:15,060
they hollowed out a spot
in these two surfboards.
1060
00:48:15,160 --> 00:48:20,065
And they could just
pack 'em with hash.
1061
00:48:20,165 --> 00:48:21,466
So, I took 'em along.
1062
00:48:21,566 --> 00:48:23,034
Strapped 'em to
the top of the VW.
1063
00:48:23,134 --> 00:48:25,636
Two surfboards in the
dead of winter in Europe,
1064
00:48:25,736 --> 00:48:26,871
drove through the Alps,
1065
00:48:26,972 --> 00:48:29,574
and down and across all
the way to Afghanistan.
1066
00:48:29,674 --> 00:48:31,342
They were really out of place,
1067
00:48:31,442 --> 00:48:33,044
and I had a wife and
a little kid with me,
1068
00:48:33,144 --> 00:48:35,546
a little girl with me.
1069
00:48:35,646 --> 00:48:36,647
* I'm waiting for a man
1070
00:48:36,747 --> 00:48:40,051
* From Afghanistan to come
1071
00:48:40,151 --> 00:48:42,487
* He got a kilo in the
bottom of a suitcase
1072
00:48:42,587 --> 00:48:45,690
* In a cabin son
1073
00:48:45,790 --> 00:48:48,493
* If the captain comes
you don't give him no lip
1074
00:48:48,593 --> 00:48:51,997
* But you pick it up later
and you know the trip *
1075
00:48:52,097 --> 00:48:53,664
- When we came back,
1076
00:48:53,764 --> 00:48:56,367
we shipped the surfboards
as unaccompanied baggage.
1077
00:48:56,467 --> 00:48:58,269
We got home and
everything was cool.
1078
00:48:58,369 --> 00:49:00,238
United Airlines had
had some kind of strike
1079
00:49:00,338 --> 00:49:01,906
in their cargo thing,
1080
00:49:02,007 --> 00:49:05,576
and the two surfboards sat
out in the yard in the sun.
1081
00:49:05,676 --> 00:49:07,245
And they were in canvas bags,
1082
00:49:07,345 --> 00:49:09,747
that were made out
of denim, blue denim.
1083
00:49:09,847 --> 00:49:12,417
And the hash started goin' off,
1084
00:49:12,517 --> 00:49:15,086
started decaying in
there and swelled up.
1085
00:49:15,186 --> 00:49:16,354
So, when the strike was over
1086
00:49:16,454 --> 00:49:17,688
they went to ship
the boards to LA,
1087
00:49:17,788 --> 00:49:18,789
someone picked 'em up
1088
00:49:18,889 --> 00:49:20,225
and stuff was rattling
around in there.
1089
00:49:20,325 --> 00:49:22,727
They cut 'em open,
they found the hash.
1090
00:49:22,827 --> 00:49:25,263
They shipped it on over,
had me come pick it up.
1091
00:49:25,363 --> 00:49:26,731
Customs agents even
helped me load it
1092
00:49:26,831 --> 00:49:27,865
and tie it on the car,
1093
00:49:27,965 --> 00:49:30,635
rather than bust me
right on the spot,
1094
00:49:30,735 --> 00:49:34,439
and then they followed me.
1095
00:49:34,539 --> 00:49:38,143
The rule at the ranch was,
not to endanger the ranch.
1096
00:49:38,243 --> 00:49:41,146
You know, don't
bring the load there.
1097
00:49:41,246 --> 00:49:44,649
Travis, God bless his soul,
1098
00:49:44,749 --> 00:49:47,552
has brought more
heat down people
1099
00:49:47,652 --> 00:49:51,289
than anyone I've ever known.
1100
00:49:51,389 --> 00:49:54,425
The feds followed
them all the way,
1101
00:49:54,525 --> 00:49:56,627
all the way to
the fucking ranch,
1102
00:49:56,727 --> 00:49:59,630
and it was a disaster.
1103
00:49:59,730 --> 00:50:02,167
- They had a plane spotting me.
1104
00:50:02,267 --> 00:50:03,901
And when I went through
the locked gate,
1105
00:50:04,001 --> 00:50:05,670
and got part way up the road,
1106
00:50:05,770 --> 00:50:06,837
I remember turning back
1107
00:50:06,937 --> 00:50:07,938
and looking back
down in the valley,
1108
00:50:08,039 --> 00:50:09,940
and seeing this train of cars,
1109
00:50:10,041 --> 00:50:13,611
just coming up the dirt
road, just hauling ass.
1110
00:50:13,711 --> 00:50:14,779
And they swooped on us,
1111
00:50:14,879 --> 00:50:16,147
guns drawn and
everything and got us.
1112
00:50:16,247 --> 00:50:17,815
And then they wanted to
see what was up this road,
1113
00:50:17,915 --> 00:50:20,385
where I was going.
1114
00:50:20,485 --> 00:50:22,787
The next thing I
know, Travis pulls up,
1115
00:50:22,887 --> 00:50:25,156
and down comes the helicopter
1116
00:50:25,256 --> 00:50:28,093
that had followed
him all the way in.
1117
00:50:28,193 --> 00:50:31,596
We looked out the windows
and went, "Holy God!"
1118
00:50:31,696 --> 00:50:36,334
You know, they are so here.
1119
00:50:36,434 --> 00:50:38,436
The cops pull right up in
the front of the ranch there.
1120
00:50:38,536 --> 00:50:40,438
There's all these
hippies everywhere.
1121
00:50:40,538 --> 00:50:41,872
You know, they don't
even know what to think.
1122
00:50:41,972 --> 00:50:44,709
What the heck's this?
1123
00:50:44,809 --> 00:50:46,577
And then they took me away.
1124
00:50:52,617 --> 00:50:54,119
- Everything was blown.
1125
00:50:54,219 --> 00:50:55,686
Now passports were checked.
1126
00:50:55,786 --> 00:50:57,021
What was shipped back?
1127
00:50:57,122 --> 00:50:58,823
Those surfboards,
what was in 'em?
1128
00:50:58,923 --> 00:51:02,627
I mean everything,
now they know.
1129
00:51:02,727 --> 00:51:05,663
Now, legal things are
starting to happen.
1130
00:51:05,763 --> 00:51:09,734
A lot of money that was
earned went into legal defense
1131
00:51:09,834 --> 00:51:12,337
for whoever it was
that was in trouble.
1132
00:51:12,437 --> 00:51:13,838
We were a family, you know.
1133
00:51:13,938 --> 00:51:15,973
Nobody, nobody suffered.
1134
00:51:21,011 --> 00:51:23,514
Timothy Leary
and a small contingency
1135
00:51:23,614 --> 00:51:24,849
of people from Millbrook
1136
00:51:24,949 --> 00:51:27,818
came to live at the ranch.
1137
00:51:27,918 --> 00:51:30,688
Timothy's
philosophy is Taoism.
1138
00:51:30,788 --> 00:51:33,558
Taoism wants you to stay down.
1139
00:51:33,658 --> 00:51:36,261
Stay in the background,
behind the scenes.
1140
00:51:36,361 --> 00:51:38,329
And when Timothy decided
to run for governor,
1141
00:51:38,429 --> 00:51:41,332
it was almost against everything
he'd been teaching us.
1142
00:51:41,432 --> 00:51:43,334
I'm going to run
for the governorship
1143
00:51:43,434 --> 00:51:45,002
of the state of California.
1144
00:51:45,102 --> 00:51:47,772
I think that we
need a new party,
1145
00:51:47,872 --> 00:51:50,241
and by party I mean party.
1146
00:51:50,341 --> 00:51:52,710
- We were like, what?
1147
00:51:52,810 --> 00:51:55,513
This guy's sitting in the
teepee, next to the pear tree,
1148
00:51:55,613 --> 00:51:57,282
in the meadow at our ranch,
1149
00:51:57,382 --> 00:51:59,250
should not be
running for governor.
1150
00:51:59,350 --> 00:52:01,686
* When you make love
1151
00:52:01,786 --> 00:52:04,222
* Play it to me
1152
00:52:04,322 --> 00:52:06,191
Johnny and I, when
we got back to the teepee,
1153
00:52:06,291 --> 00:52:07,858
we both cried,
1154
00:52:07,958 --> 00:52:10,728
because it was
something had changed.
1155
00:52:10,828 --> 00:52:14,365
It wasn't going in the
direction that we wanted.
1156
00:52:14,465 --> 00:52:16,967
We had this engagement
in the real world out here,
1157
00:52:17,067 --> 00:52:18,569
because we were
trying to change it,
1158
00:52:18,669 --> 00:52:21,138
but we didn't want to
be governor, you know.
1159
00:52:21,239 --> 00:52:22,773
I might have to put suits on
1160
00:52:22,873 --> 00:52:24,575
and dress up like I'm straight,
1161
00:52:24,675 --> 00:52:28,613
but that don't mean I
have to be straight.
1162
00:52:28,713 --> 00:52:30,248
John Lennon
wrote Come Together
1163
00:52:30,348 --> 00:52:34,285
as Timothy Leary's
campaign song.
1164
00:52:34,385 --> 00:52:36,120
People hear that on the
radio all the time now.
1165
00:52:36,221 --> 00:52:37,922
That song plays well,
every theme song
1166
00:52:38,022 --> 00:52:40,891
for Timothy Leary's
governor race.
1167
00:52:40,991 --> 00:52:43,093
He was gonna run against
Ronald Reagan as governor.
1168
00:52:43,194 --> 00:52:44,829
- Let the kids get high.
1169
00:52:44,929 --> 00:52:46,664
As a matter of fact,
President Nixon,
1170
00:52:46,764 --> 00:52:50,000
why don't we all
turn on together.
1171
00:52:50,100 --> 00:52:51,168
At the time,
1172
00:52:51,269 --> 00:52:53,938
the government probably
feared Tim Leary
1173
00:52:54,038 --> 00:52:56,106
more than they feared anybody.
1174
00:52:56,207 --> 00:52:57,808
Nixon thought that dope dealers
1175
00:52:57,908 --> 00:53:00,311
were among the worst
criminals on Earth.
1176
00:53:00,411 --> 00:53:02,747
We must wage what I
would call total war
1177
00:53:02,847 --> 00:53:05,015
against public enemy number one
1178
00:53:05,115 --> 00:53:06,451
in the United States,
1179
00:53:06,551 --> 00:53:09,454
the problem of dangerous drugs.
1180
00:53:09,554 --> 00:53:10,955
That was the
beginning of the end.
1181
00:53:11,055 --> 00:53:13,991
That was when they
decided to target Tim.
1182
00:53:14,091 --> 00:53:16,927
They're gonna get him
one way or the other.
1183
00:53:26,971 --> 00:53:28,105
- This one night,
1184
00:53:28,205 --> 00:53:31,276
and it was December 26th of '68,
1185
00:53:31,376 --> 00:53:33,778
at about 11:00 P.M.,
1186
00:53:33,878 --> 00:53:38,849
I by myself, black and white
police unit, full uniform,
1187
00:53:38,949 --> 00:53:41,652
and here's this car stopped
1188
00:53:41,752 --> 00:53:45,356
facing me in the
middle of the road.
1189
00:53:45,456 --> 00:53:48,359
So, I walk over and
I tap on the window,
1190
00:53:48,459 --> 00:53:50,295
and all of a sudden
the window comes down.
1191
00:53:50,395 --> 00:53:53,030
And this grey-haired guy says,
1192
00:53:53,130 --> 00:53:56,200
"What's the problem
officer?", real nice.
1193
00:53:56,301 --> 00:53:58,135
And I looked at him
1194
00:53:58,235 --> 00:54:01,706
and I'm thinkin', "Holy moly,
1195
00:54:01,806 --> 00:54:04,875
"this looks like Leary."
1196
00:54:04,975 --> 00:54:07,812
I said, "May I see
your driver's license?"
1197
00:54:07,912 --> 00:54:09,246
"Oh sure", real nice.
1198
00:54:09,347 --> 00:54:12,249
Come, take out, and
all of a sudden, bingo.
1199
00:54:12,350 --> 00:54:15,753
Timothy Leary,
1230 Queens Street,
1200
00:54:15,853 --> 00:54:17,888
Berkeley, California.
1201
00:54:17,988 --> 00:54:19,924
I said, "Well, Mr. Leary,
1202
00:54:20,024 --> 00:54:24,395
"I smell the odor of burned
marijuana", which I did.
1203
00:54:24,495 --> 00:54:27,031
I tell Leary, "Step
out of the car.
1204
00:54:27,131 --> 00:54:28,766
"This is a narcotic
investigation."
1205
00:54:28,866 --> 00:54:31,201
He is just coming unglued.
1206
00:54:31,302 --> 00:54:33,203
You don't have probable cause.
1207
00:54:33,304 --> 00:54:35,039
This is an illegal stop.
1208
00:54:35,139 --> 00:54:36,874
This is an illegal
this and that.
1209
00:54:36,974 --> 00:54:38,509
I go in his car,
1210
00:54:38,609 --> 00:54:40,545
obvious place to look
first, the ashtray.
1211
00:54:40,645 --> 00:54:43,781
There's two little
roaches there.
1212
00:54:43,881 --> 00:54:46,951
Pull 'em out, and I said,
1213
00:54:47,051 --> 00:54:49,920
"You're under
arrest, Mr. Leary."
1214
00:54:50,020 --> 00:54:52,189
Dr. Leary's
political ambitions
1215
00:54:52,289 --> 00:54:53,524
were cut short,
1216
00:54:53,624 --> 00:54:55,526
when Governor Reagan
had Leary arrested,
1217
00:54:55,626 --> 00:54:57,595
and sentenced to
30 years in jail,
1218
00:54:57,695 --> 00:55:01,298
for possession of $10
worth of marijuana.
1219
00:55:08,673 --> 00:55:13,043
Tim was in prison and
we were taking his appeal.
1220
00:55:13,143 --> 00:55:16,781
He had been arrested in
Texas, bullshit charges.
1221
00:55:16,881 --> 00:55:19,717
He was arrested in
California twice,
1222
00:55:19,817 --> 00:55:21,552
again no real charges,
1223
00:55:21,652 --> 00:55:25,623
but he was a political
person who they feared.
1224
00:55:25,723 --> 00:55:28,393
And they would do anything
to get him off the street,
1225
00:55:28,493 --> 00:55:29,994
get him into prison,
1226
00:55:30,094 --> 00:55:32,129
and try and shut him down.
1227
00:55:32,229 --> 00:55:34,932
Timothy was a
spiritual leader,
1228
00:55:35,032 --> 00:55:39,437
and to keep the path
going of Orange Sunshine,
1229
00:55:39,537 --> 00:55:41,906
we did the outrageous
other option
1230
00:55:42,006 --> 00:55:43,674
that no one thinks of:
1231
00:55:43,774 --> 00:55:46,844
prison break.
1232
00:55:46,944 --> 00:55:48,813
The first thing that we did is
1233
00:55:48,913 --> 00:55:50,981
looked at the prison
that Timothy was in
1234
00:55:51,081 --> 00:55:54,652
and started working with
this guy on the inside,
1235
00:55:54,752 --> 00:55:57,822
"What is the best way
to get out of here?"
1236
00:55:57,922 --> 00:55:58,956
That was over the fence,
1237
00:55:59,056 --> 00:56:01,692
just a straight
up over the fence.
1238
00:56:01,792 --> 00:56:04,328
There was a place that
was perfect to go over,
1239
00:56:04,429 --> 00:56:06,130
the way the trees were situated,
1240
00:56:06,230 --> 00:56:09,033
the road was virtually
right fucking there.
1241
00:56:09,133 --> 00:56:11,969
And Timothy needed to start
doing pullups and things
1242
00:56:12,069 --> 00:56:13,838
so he had better
upper body strength,
1243
00:56:13,938 --> 00:56:17,475
and could get his
ass over that fence.
1244
00:56:17,575 --> 00:56:19,544
I remember talks
1245
00:56:19,644 --> 00:56:21,779
around the table
of the main house.
1246
00:56:21,879 --> 00:56:24,048
"Who was gonna fly him
from here to there?"
1247
00:56:24,148 --> 00:56:28,085
This went on for six months,
nine months or something.
1248
00:57:05,990 --> 00:57:09,760
You know, when you
take LSD with people,
1249
00:57:09,860 --> 00:57:15,466
you feel every thought,
every emotion all together.
1250
00:57:15,566 --> 00:57:21,238
And so, when you take LSD with a
1251
00:57:21,338 --> 00:57:24,108
advanced spiritual being,
1252
00:57:24,208 --> 00:57:26,176
you're gonna know
about it right away.
1253
00:57:26,276 --> 00:57:28,679
You will have a
different kind of trip.
1254
00:57:28,779 --> 00:57:32,750
And that's what Johnny was.
1255
00:57:32,850 --> 00:57:34,251
See, the higher
doses you take,
1256
00:57:34,351 --> 00:57:36,086
the more far out it gets.
1257
00:57:36,186 --> 00:57:38,188
And it can get pretty scary too.
1258
00:57:38,288 --> 00:57:40,558
John was always there for
when it got really heavy.
1259
00:57:40,658 --> 00:57:43,360
John would be the guy
that could reassure you,
1260
00:57:43,460 --> 00:57:45,930
grab your hand and just
touch you to make it feel,
1261
00:57:46,030 --> 00:57:48,432
make you go ma, the
bad stuff go away,
1262
00:57:48,533 --> 00:57:53,771
just with his presence.
1263
00:57:53,871 --> 00:57:57,241
God always chooses
unlikely things, you know.
1264
00:57:57,341 --> 00:57:58,743
Holy men are not
1265
00:57:58,843 --> 00:58:01,411
always what you
really might think of.
1266
00:58:01,512 --> 00:58:03,213
They're...
1267
00:58:03,313 --> 00:58:05,149
A good holy man
has got some flaws,
1268
00:58:05,249 --> 00:58:06,751
and something wrong,
1269
00:58:06,851 --> 00:58:10,054
or maybe they're not a
perfect person now to T,
1270
00:58:10,154 --> 00:58:14,191
but they have a gift that is
1271
00:58:14,291 --> 00:58:17,227
something you can't explain.
1272
00:58:17,327 --> 00:58:20,130
Johnny Griggs was that way.
1273
00:58:20,230 --> 00:58:23,500
He was the most powerful man.
1274
00:58:23,601 --> 00:58:24,935
You know, I could
never take LSD
1275
00:58:25,035 --> 00:58:27,337
with anyone that
was higher than him.
1276
00:58:27,437 --> 00:58:28,906
It was unbelievable.
1277
00:58:29,006 --> 00:58:31,108
He really was something.
1278
00:58:38,215 --> 00:58:39,750
- We were in our teepee,
1279
00:58:39,850 --> 00:58:42,086
up in Idyllwild at the ranch,
1280
00:58:42,186 --> 00:58:44,855
and Johnny wanted to give thanks
1281
00:58:44,955 --> 00:58:46,957
to the universe.
1282
00:58:47,057 --> 00:58:49,126
And we got things
ready in the teepee,
1283
00:58:49,226 --> 00:58:50,795
and food prepared,
1284
00:58:50,895 --> 00:58:52,930
and our firewood
stacked and stuff,
1285
00:58:53,030 --> 00:58:57,067
and we were gonna
have a session.
1286
00:58:57,167 --> 00:59:00,470
My mother, and father, and
grandmother had all come up,
1287
00:59:00,571 --> 00:59:03,874
and they took the
children with them,
1288
00:59:03,974 --> 00:59:07,044
so it was just Johnny and I.
1289
00:59:07,144 --> 00:59:12,216
I took the mescaline,
and I thought Johnny did.
1290
00:59:12,316 --> 00:59:15,853
I had no idea.
1291
00:59:15,953 --> 00:59:18,322
It hadn't been very long,
1292
00:59:18,422 --> 00:59:20,190
maybe an hour.
1293
00:59:20,290 --> 00:59:25,229
Johnny says, "Something
feels not right to me."
1294
00:59:25,329 --> 00:59:26,831
And I said, "What do
you mean, not right?"
1295
00:59:26,931 --> 00:59:28,498
And I said, "I feel just fine."
1296
00:59:28,599 --> 00:59:31,168
He said, "Well, I didn't
take what you took."
1297
00:59:31,268 --> 00:59:34,304
He says, "I was testing
this new stuff",
1298
00:59:34,404 --> 00:59:37,241
that had just been given to him.
1299
00:59:37,341 --> 00:59:40,177
Johnny decided that
whatever was happening
1300
00:59:40,277 --> 00:59:42,212
to his body wasn't right.
1301
00:59:42,312 --> 00:59:46,150
He said, "Call out", because
other people in their teepees
1302
00:59:46,250 --> 00:59:48,185
were going to trip
that night also.
1303
00:59:48,285 --> 00:59:49,586
It was gonna be a group thing,
1304
00:59:49,687 --> 00:59:51,889
but we had started early.
1305
00:59:51,989 --> 00:59:55,025
So, we stayed together
most of the night,
1306
00:59:55,125 --> 00:59:58,195
but he was physically
struggling,
1307
00:59:58,295 --> 01:00:03,067
which I had never
ever seen before.
1308
01:00:03,167 --> 01:00:06,236
At one point, I was walking
out the teepee door,
1309
01:00:06,336 --> 01:00:08,572
and he said, "Stand
there for a minute."
1310
01:00:08,673 --> 01:00:11,608
And I stood there, and he said,
1311
01:00:11,709 --> 01:00:14,511
"I do believe you are
the most beautiful thing
1312
01:00:14,611 --> 01:00:17,114
"I have ever seen in my life."
1313
01:00:17,214 --> 01:00:19,049
And just then,
like, I don't know,
1314
01:00:19,149 --> 01:00:23,220
it was like electricity
went through me.
1315
01:00:23,320 --> 01:00:25,455
You know, it was...
1316
01:00:25,555 --> 01:00:28,793
I felt like he was
saying goodbye,
1317
01:00:28,893 --> 01:00:30,360
and I just panicked.
1318
01:00:30,460 --> 01:00:32,797
I said, "Johnny please,
please don't leave me.
1319
01:00:32,897 --> 01:00:35,299
"I mean if that's what's
going on, I can't.
1320
01:00:35,399 --> 01:00:37,401
"I don't wanna be
here without you."
1321
01:00:37,501 --> 01:00:39,904
You know, he was my teacher,
1322
01:00:40,004 --> 01:00:43,273
my lover, my best friend.
1323
01:00:43,373 --> 01:00:46,576
You know, he was my
boyfriend, you know.
1324
01:00:46,677 --> 01:00:49,313
And, he said, "Mama",
1325
01:00:49,413 --> 01:00:52,216
he said, "we got it made."
1326
01:00:52,316 --> 01:00:56,153
The sun just came up
and he fell forward.
1327
01:01:03,994 --> 01:01:09,800
I ran out of the teepee and
there were some other people.
1328
01:01:09,900 --> 01:01:12,669
Mark got his dad to
pull up the pickup.
1329
01:01:17,241 --> 01:01:19,710
We went down to
the Hemet hospital.
1330
01:01:31,756 --> 01:01:35,926
Mark and I, we got
ahold of Michael.
1331
01:01:36,026 --> 01:01:39,930
I was talking to
Carol on the phone.
1332
01:01:40,030 --> 01:01:43,267
And the doctor came to her.
1333
01:01:43,367 --> 01:01:47,204
I could hear him,
said, "He's gone."
1334
01:01:47,304 --> 01:01:50,040
When they told her that Johnny
1335
01:01:50,140 --> 01:01:53,610
had died, she started
crying and screaming.
1336
01:02:00,650 --> 01:02:02,286
And I handed
the phone to Mark,
1337
01:02:02,386 --> 01:02:05,289
and Mark said, "You
know, it's true."
1338
01:02:05,389 --> 01:02:08,192
Michael couldn't even accept it.
1339
01:02:08,292 --> 01:02:09,393
None of us could.
1340
01:02:09,493 --> 01:02:11,862
It just, we were not prepared.
1341
01:02:11,962 --> 01:02:13,363
Boom,
1342
01:02:13,463 --> 01:02:17,802
the teacher was gone.
1343
01:02:17,902 --> 01:02:20,504
- He took the psilocybin,
1344
01:02:20,604 --> 01:02:22,873
and we don't know what happened.
1345
01:02:22,973 --> 01:02:24,508
I had taken it many times.
1346
01:02:24,608 --> 01:02:29,213
We had all taken it before.
1347
01:02:29,313 --> 01:02:32,249
So, I took some,
1348
01:02:32,349 --> 01:02:34,418
'cause I figured fuck
it, I'll go with him.
1349
01:02:34,518 --> 01:02:37,855
I don't know, I wasn't
sure what to do.
1350
01:02:37,955 --> 01:02:39,890
It didn't kill me.
1351
01:02:39,990 --> 01:02:43,994
It didn't kill me.
1352
01:02:44,094 --> 01:02:45,462
He was only 26.
1353
01:03:02,880 --> 01:03:05,415
After Johnny
died, I think that's what
1354
01:03:05,515 --> 01:03:09,553
shattered a lot of the
southern California movement.
1355
01:03:09,653 --> 01:03:12,289
I think it shook a
lot of people's faith.
1356
01:03:12,389 --> 01:03:13,958
- It left some people adrift.
1357
01:03:14,058 --> 01:03:16,560
Some people didn't have
enough of their own,
1358
01:03:16,660 --> 01:03:18,528
their own, know who
they were themselves,
1359
01:03:18,628 --> 01:03:20,430
so many people relied
so much on John
1360
01:03:20,530 --> 01:03:23,700
that it left them adrift.
1361
01:03:23,800 --> 01:03:25,269
A lot of people
split at that point,
1362
01:03:25,369 --> 01:03:28,438
after John died,
everybody just scattered.
1363
01:03:28,538 --> 01:03:30,274
The Brothers sent
me over to Hawaii.
1364
01:03:30,374 --> 01:03:33,643
They've got a big house there.
1365
01:03:33,743 --> 01:03:36,080
I just remember in my mind,
1366
01:03:36,180 --> 01:03:39,449
it was hell being in paradise.
1367
01:03:39,549 --> 01:03:42,052
To feel so broken,
1368
01:03:42,152 --> 01:03:46,523
and then to be in such
a beautiful place,
1369
01:03:46,623 --> 01:03:49,626
But I, you know, held up.
1370
01:03:49,726 --> 01:03:52,129
You know, because
I had children.
1371
01:03:52,229 --> 01:03:53,563
I just knew I had to be strong.
1372
01:03:53,663 --> 01:03:55,399
No matter what, I had children,
1373
01:03:55,499 --> 01:03:58,568
and I had to be strong, I
had a baby at my breast.
1374
01:03:58,668 --> 01:04:01,671
Yeah.
1375
01:04:01,771 --> 01:04:06,043
That's a hard thing to do.
1376
01:04:06,143 --> 01:04:08,445
Travis and other
people went to Hawaii,
1377
01:04:08,545 --> 01:04:12,950
leaving more of a skeleton
crew at the ranch.
1378
01:04:13,050 --> 01:04:15,519
I made sure there was
money for things to work.
1379
01:04:15,619 --> 01:04:18,755
I took care of
Carol and the kids.
1380
01:04:18,855 --> 01:04:21,458
I had to keep in motion.
1381
01:04:21,558 --> 01:04:23,493
Big things were going on.
1382
01:04:23,593 --> 01:04:25,029
Big, big things were going on.
1383
01:04:25,129 --> 01:04:27,531
I cannot let go of
this, I have to.
1384
01:04:27,631 --> 01:04:29,466
The only way to accomplish
what was started
1385
01:04:29,566 --> 01:04:31,801
is to continue to
follow the path,
1386
01:04:31,902 --> 01:04:33,603
kind of like that
little trail of crumbs
1387
01:04:33,703 --> 01:04:39,509
wherever God is taking me.
1388
01:04:39,609 --> 01:04:43,513
I got very high at the
ranch once, by myself.
1389
01:04:43,613 --> 01:04:46,516
I think I took five doses
of Sunshine or something,
1390
01:04:46,616 --> 01:04:48,718
you know, maybe 10,
1391
01:04:48,818 --> 01:04:51,755
and John came to me.
1392
01:04:51,855 --> 01:04:55,559
And we didn't talk, but
there was energy exchanged,
1393
01:04:55,659 --> 01:04:57,894
and information and things.
1394
01:04:57,995 --> 01:05:02,766
And it was positively
him, positively him.
1395
01:05:02,866 --> 01:05:07,671
We spent the day together,
and we made a few plans.
1396
01:05:07,771 --> 01:05:12,242
We focused things, or
we clarified things,
1397
01:05:12,342 --> 01:05:14,678
and I knew, I knew that
we were gonna go forward
1398
01:05:14,778 --> 01:05:17,214
and really kick some ass now.
1399
01:05:17,314 --> 01:05:19,883
We were gonna do it and we did.
1400
01:05:19,984 --> 01:05:23,587
We made 10 kilos
of LSD after that,
1401
01:05:23,687 --> 01:05:30,127
10 kilos of pure white LSD.
1402
01:05:30,227 --> 01:05:33,563
No one's ever done that before,
1403
01:05:33,663 --> 01:05:35,432
or since.
1404
01:05:35,532 --> 01:05:38,768
It's a lot lot.
1405
01:05:38,868 --> 01:05:41,171
- 100 million doses.
1406
01:05:50,214 --> 01:05:52,082
Most of
the meetings about
1407
01:05:52,182 --> 01:05:53,883
planning Timothy's escape
1408
01:05:53,984 --> 01:05:59,756
were all done at the ranch.
1409
01:05:59,856 --> 01:06:01,591
Michael finally came up.
1410
01:06:01,691 --> 01:06:03,593
He had a date and times,
1411
01:06:03,693 --> 01:06:05,562
and they're, everybody's
gonna be waiting,
1412
01:06:05,662 --> 01:06:07,764
and it's gonna happen.
1413
01:06:07,864 --> 01:06:10,767
There were people from
New York at the ranch,
1414
01:06:10,867 --> 01:06:12,269
and other people,
1415
01:06:12,369 --> 01:06:14,871
and they gathered everyone
together and said,
1416
01:06:14,971 --> 01:06:17,641
"Everybody, except the
people live at the ranch
1417
01:06:17,741 --> 01:06:19,876
"need to leave now.
1418
01:06:19,976 --> 01:06:21,845
"Go now.
1419
01:06:21,945 --> 01:06:23,480
"Don't be here."
1420
01:06:23,580 --> 01:06:25,415
And a couple of people had
been growing some pot plants.
1421
01:06:25,515 --> 01:06:26,883
I said, "You know what?
1422
01:06:26,983 --> 01:06:29,453
"Pull those fucking pot
plants up and get everything.
1423
01:06:29,553 --> 01:06:30,654
"We gotta get ready.
1424
01:06:30,754 --> 01:06:34,424
"The onslaught, they're
gonna come here."
1425
01:06:34,524 --> 01:06:36,260
Timothy needed to use a blanket
1426
01:06:36,360 --> 01:06:40,164
to keep the barbed wire
and razor wire away,
1427
01:06:40,264 --> 01:06:43,767
and then drop down and
wait at a certain place.
1428
01:06:43,867 --> 01:06:47,304
And this all had to be timed.
1429
01:06:47,404 --> 01:06:49,839
It all turns out
that it was perfect.
1430
01:06:49,939 --> 01:06:53,477
$17,000, that what
we gave the weathermen,
1431
01:06:53,577 --> 01:06:57,514
what they charged for picking
him up outside the prison.
1432
01:06:57,614 --> 01:06:59,183
- They drove off a little ways.
1433
01:06:59,283 --> 01:07:00,917
He changed clothes immediately.
1434
01:07:01,017 --> 01:07:02,619
Then they met another car,
1435
01:07:02,719 --> 01:07:03,687
and they gave the clothes,
1436
01:07:03,787 --> 01:07:05,622
his prison clothes
to the other car,
1437
01:07:05,722 --> 01:07:07,757
who turned around
and went south.
1438
01:07:07,857 --> 01:07:10,627
They north with Timothy
where there was a motorhome
1439
01:07:10,727 --> 01:07:14,964
that took him to Canada
and they split from there.
1440
01:07:15,065 --> 01:07:17,134
Dr. Timothy Leary,
formerly of Harvard,
1441
01:07:17,234 --> 01:07:19,603
now known as the high
priest of the drug cult
1442
01:07:19,703 --> 01:07:21,004
escaped during the night
1443
01:07:21,105 --> 01:07:23,807
from the California Men's
Colony of San Luis Obispo.
1444
01:07:23,907 --> 01:07:25,375
Apparently he simply walked out
1445
01:07:25,475 --> 01:07:29,913
of the minimum security prison.
1446
01:07:30,013 --> 01:07:32,282
September 15th, 1970.
1447
01:07:32,382 --> 01:07:34,118
This is the fourth communication
1448
01:07:34,218 --> 01:07:36,220
from the Weathermen Underground.
1449
01:07:36,320 --> 01:07:37,654
The Weathermen
Underground has had
1450
01:07:37,754 --> 01:07:39,823
the honor and pleasure of
helping Dr. Timothy Leary
1451
01:07:39,923 --> 01:07:41,191
escaped from the POW camp
1452
01:07:41,291 --> 01:07:44,128
of San Luis Obispo, California.
1453
01:07:44,228 --> 01:07:46,730
Dr. Leary was being
held against his will,
1454
01:07:46,830 --> 01:07:50,467
and against the will of millions
of kids in this country.
1455
01:07:50,567 --> 01:07:52,001
He was a political prisoner,
1456
01:07:52,102 --> 01:07:54,171
captured for the work he
did in helping all of us
1457
01:07:54,271 --> 01:07:56,039
begin the task of
creating a new culture
1458
01:07:56,140 --> 01:07:57,874
on the barren wasteland
that has been imposed
1459
01:07:57,974 --> 01:08:00,577
on this country by
Democrats, Republicans,
1460
01:08:00,677 --> 01:08:03,213
Capitalists, and creeps.
1461
01:08:03,313 --> 01:08:05,582
LSD and grass, like
the herbs, and cactus,
1462
01:08:05,682 --> 01:08:07,717
and mushrooms, of
the American Indians,
1463
01:08:07,817 --> 01:08:09,085
and countless civilizations
1464
01:08:09,186 --> 01:08:10,687
that have existed on this planet
1465
01:08:10,787 --> 01:08:12,422
will help us make a future world
1466
01:08:12,522 --> 01:08:14,824
where it will be possible
to live in peace.
1467
01:08:14,924 --> 01:08:17,561
Now, we are at war.
1468
01:08:28,605 --> 01:08:31,675
- I had this little short
1469
01:08:31,775 --> 01:08:34,844
fling thing in life.
1470
01:08:34,944 --> 01:08:37,113
This man from New York,
1471
01:08:37,214 --> 01:08:39,749
he wanted to wine and dine me,
1472
01:08:39,849 --> 01:08:42,085
take me
1473
01:08:42,186 --> 01:08:45,189
to Jamaica, me and the kids.
1474
01:08:45,289 --> 01:08:47,757
And I considered
taking off and just
1475
01:08:47,857 --> 01:08:53,830
go to some foreign country and
drop out for a little while.
1476
01:08:53,930 --> 01:08:56,866
And Michael'd come up with some
1477
01:08:56,966 --> 01:08:59,102
really beautiful,
gorgeous woman.
1478
01:08:59,203 --> 01:09:00,737
She was French or Moroccan.
1479
01:09:00,837 --> 01:09:02,772
She had the accent, the looks.
1480
01:09:02,872 --> 01:09:05,909
She was just so
fabulous, you know?
1481
01:09:06,009 --> 01:09:07,577
I felt jealous.
1482
01:09:07,677 --> 01:09:10,046
I'd never ever, I didn't
know what the feeling was,
1483
01:09:10,146 --> 01:09:11,481
'cause I'd never
felt that before.
1484
01:09:11,581 --> 01:09:13,717
I never had to, not like that.
1485
01:09:13,817 --> 01:09:17,721
And, they went off, went
under the waterfall tripping,
1486
01:09:17,821 --> 01:09:19,623
and I tell my girlfriends,
1487
01:09:19,723 --> 01:09:22,426
"God, what is, why
do I feel this way?
1488
01:09:22,526 --> 01:09:24,794
"Why do I feel so
anxious and torn
1489
01:09:24,894 --> 01:09:28,665
"that he's all gone off
with this woman, you know."
1490
01:09:28,765 --> 01:09:30,434
I says, "I don't know."
1491
01:09:30,534 --> 01:09:33,303
I says, "I think
I love Michael."
1492
01:09:33,403 --> 01:09:35,405
- I was with someone on
1493
01:09:35,505 --> 01:09:37,507
the top of the mountain,
1494
01:09:37,607 --> 01:09:39,843
that was my lover for a while.
1495
01:09:39,943 --> 01:09:41,445
And I loved this woman.
1496
01:09:41,545 --> 01:09:42,846
I loved her a lot,
1497
01:09:42,946 --> 01:09:45,349
but I realized, just like
1498
01:09:45,449 --> 01:09:47,517
a bell went off,
1499
01:09:47,617 --> 01:09:50,254
that I loved Carol,
1500
01:09:50,354 --> 01:09:53,590
and that she was the
only woman I wanted.
1501
01:09:53,690 --> 01:09:56,192
I just wanted Carol.
1502
01:09:56,293 --> 01:09:58,528
I mean, I just knew it.
1503
01:09:58,628 --> 01:09:59,929
Boom!
1504
01:10:00,029 --> 01:10:01,931
I said, "I'm gonna
do everything I can,
1505
01:10:02,031 --> 01:10:04,033
"and come, and come back here,
1506
01:10:04,133 --> 01:10:08,305
"and I'm gonna try and
get her to marry me."
1507
01:10:08,405 --> 01:10:09,873
When he
showed up at the ranch,
1508
01:10:09,973 --> 01:10:12,008
with his little
suitcase, you know,
1509
01:10:12,108 --> 01:10:13,142
I was in the kitchen,
1510
01:10:13,243 --> 01:10:14,378
and I was hand-squeezing
orange juice,
1511
01:10:14,478 --> 01:10:16,880
and making oatmeal for the kids,
1512
01:10:16,980 --> 01:10:19,283
and all of a sudden he appeared.
1513
01:10:19,383 --> 01:10:23,620
Said, "I just came up to
tell you that I loved you."
1514
01:10:23,720 --> 01:10:26,155
I told Carol, "I
gotta have you, baby."
1515
01:10:26,256 --> 01:10:27,691
- And I said, "My God!"
1516
01:10:27,791 --> 01:10:28,692
You know?
1517
01:10:28,792 --> 01:10:30,193
I mean, I had no idea he had
1518
01:10:30,294 --> 01:10:32,996
those kind of feelings
for me, you know.
1519
01:10:33,096 --> 01:10:36,900
I said, "Well, I was thinking
about running off to Jamaica"
1520
01:10:37,000 --> 01:10:39,235
And he said, "My
God, what about me?"
1521
01:10:39,336 --> 01:10:41,037
And I just looked
at him and said,
1522
01:10:41,137 --> 01:10:42,706
"Yeah, what about you?
1523
01:10:42,806 --> 01:10:44,841
"You know, I'm totally
in love with you.
1524
01:10:44,941 --> 01:10:48,177
"I was just trying to
escape somewhere, you know?"
1525
01:10:48,278 --> 01:10:53,950
He threw a kiss on me and
we've never been apart.
1526
01:10:54,050 --> 01:10:56,986
Shortly after
that, we got married.
1527
01:11:13,169 --> 01:11:16,740
In the early 70s, we had become
1528
01:11:16,840 --> 01:11:20,444
an international
1529
01:11:20,544 --> 01:11:23,079
situation.
1530
01:11:23,179 --> 01:11:27,283
We made a really huge
amount of acid in Europe.
1531
01:11:27,384 --> 01:11:30,954
And we set up hash oil
factories in Lebanon.
1532
01:11:31,054 --> 01:11:32,956
- At that particular point,
1533
01:11:33,056 --> 01:11:35,525
The Brotherhood was the largest
1534
01:11:35,625 --> 01:11:39,529
supplier of psychedelics,
1535
01:11:39,629 --> 01:11:42,866
in the world.
1536
01:11:42,966 --> 01:11:46,269
We tried to get
the feds involved.
1537
01:11:46,370 --> 01:11:48,938
We tried FBI.
1538
01:11:49,038 --> 01:11:51,541
Not anything doin'.
1539
01:11:51,641 --> 01:11:54,043
We tried the B and DD.
1540
01:11:54,143 --> 01:11:57,080
They said, "Oh, we've
heard about this group.
1541
01:11:57,180 --> 01:11:58,615
"It's nothing."
1542
01:11:58,715 --> 01:12:01,985
And we said, "Look,
this is what we have."
1543
01:12:02,085 --> 01:12:05,589
We brought in a couple
boxes of records,
1544
01:12:05,689 --> 01:12:08,257
showing this whole tie-in.
1545
01:12:08,358 --> 01:12:11,060
There is an organization called
1546
01:12:11,160 --> 01:12:13,296
The Brotherhood of Eternal Love.
1547
01:12:13,397 --> 01:12:17,767
Yes, it's incorporated as
a religious organization,
1548
01:12:17,867 --> 01:12:21,137
but within that organization
is this core group
1549
01:12:21,237 --> 01:12:26,175
of big time buyers
and distributors,
1550
01:12:26,275 --> 01:12:29,145
and it's just not Laguna Beach.
1551
01:12:29,245 --> 01:12:31,247
It is nationwide,
1552
01:12:31,347 --> 01:12:35,318
and now we're finding
out it's international.
1553
01:12:35,419 --> 01:12:40,724
And the feds were
just spellbound.
1554
01:12:40,824 --> 01:12:43,259
- We really became a target.
1555
01:12:43,359 --> 01:12:44,961
The crosshairs were on us,
1556
01:12:45,061 --> 01:12:48,164
and on me a lot.
1557
01:12:48,264 --> 01:12:49,833
We knew our phone was tapped,
1558
01:12:49,933 --> 01:12:52,502
we knew that we were under
surveillance a lot of time.
1559
01:12:52,602 --> 01:12:54,638
- It took 'em another year
1560
01:12:54,738 --> 01:12:57,173
of watching and
tapping and foll...
1561
01:12:57,273 --> 01:12:59,008
they followed me
to Saint Martin,
1562
01:12:59,108 --> 01:13:01,044
followed me ski trips,
1563
01:13:01,144 --> 01:13:03,980
followed me to Europe,
followed me everywhere.
1564
01:13:04,080 --> 01:13:05,381
They didn't catch me.
1565
01:13:05,482 --> 01:13:06,950
They didn't catch me smuggling.
1566
01:13:07,050 --> 01:13:08,351
They caught me with
a whole lot of money,
1567
01:13:08,452 --> 01:13:10,019
but they didn't catch
me with any dope.
1568
01:13:10,119 --> 01:13:13,457
- They never got any hash.
1569
01:13:13,557 --> 01:13:16,159
So, how can you be
convicted of smuggling
1570
01:13:16,259 --> 01:13:17,994
3000 pounds of hash,
1571
01:13:18,094 --> 01:13:20,830
when they don't
even have one pound?
1572
01:13:20,930 --> 01:13:22,165
They don't have an ounce.
1573
01:13:22,265 --> 01:13:23,567
They don't have anything.
1574
01:13:23,667 --> 01:13:25,969
There was never a case
that the government had made
1575
01:13:26,069 --> 01:13:30,474
that really had any substantial
criminality underlying it.
1576
01:13:30,574 --> 01:13:32,308
They just didn't have it.
1577
01:13:32,408 --> 01:13:34,243
So, what the
government had to do
1578
01:13:34,343 --> 01:13:36,646
was bring the Hell's
Angels into the case,
1579
01:13:36,746 --> 01:13:37,981
and say to the world,
1580
01:13:38,081 --> 01:13:39,583
"These guys are working
with the Hell's Angels.
1581
01:13:39,683 --> 01:13:40,850
"They're making acid.
1582
01:13:40,950 --> 01:13:42,151
"Hell's Angels are
distributing the acid.
1583
01:13:42,251 --> 01:13:43,386
"Killing everybody.
1584
01:13:43,487 --> 01:13:45,154
"They're the nastiest
people on Earth,
1585
01:13:45,254 --> 01:13:47,724
"so these guys can't be
any god damn good either."
1586
01:13:47,824 --> 01:13:50,159
That was their whole
theory of the conspiracy.
1587
01:13:50,259 --> 01:13:51,427
Put the bad together
with the good
1588
01:13:51,528 --> 01:13:57,801
and bring the good down.
1589
01:13:57,901 --> 01:14:00,604
The Brotherhood indictment
was a conspiracy charge
1590
01:14:00,704 --> 01:14:02,405
for everything, you name it.
1591
01:14:02,506 --> 01:14:06,275
It was conspiracy engulfed
it all, from hash smuggling,
1592
01:14:06,375 --> 01:14:07,877
weed smuggling,
1593
01:14:07,977 --> 01:14:10,680
manufacturing of LSD.
1594
01:14:10,780 --> 01:14:16,853
They were charged with it all.
1595
01:14:16,953 --> 01:14:20,056
Michael and Eleanora,
our lawyers called me,
1596
01:14:20,156 --> 01:14:23,092
and said, "I do believe
1597
01:14:23,192 --> 01:14:26,996
"it's time to leave."
1598
01:14:27,096 --> 01:14:28,097
Over the weekend,
1599
01:14:28,197 --> 01:14:29,933
in a concerted multi-state raid,
1600
01:14:30,033 --> 01:14:31,367
federal authorities
captured members
1601
01:14:31,467 --> 01:14:33,369
of the international
drug-smuggling ring
1602
01:14:33,469 --> 01:14:35,438
The Brotherhood of Eternal Love.
1603
01:14:35,539 --> 01:14:37,206
- When the indictment came out,
1604
01:14:37,306 --> 01:14:38,942
it was like.
1605
01:14:39,042 --> 01:14:41,244
They hit everywhere, they
got everybody at once.
1606
01:14:41,344 --> 01:14:42,378
It was like, bam!
1607
01:14:42,478 --> 01:14:43,813
You know, everybody was busted.
1608
01:14:43,913 --> 01:14:45,782
They were
busting my ranch.
1609
01:14:45,882 --> 01:14:47,884
They were busting
Chuck Scott's house.
1610
01:14:47,984 --> 01:14:49,786
They were busting Jack
Harrington's house,
1611
01:14:49,886 --> 01:14:51,087
looking for Gordon.
1612
01:14:51,187 --> 01:14:53,623
They were going
after everybody, man.
1613
01:14:53,723 --> 01:14:56,125
Federal, state,
and local narcotics officers
1614
01:14:56,225 --> 01:14:58,461
arrested 15 of 29
persons indicted
1615
01:14:58,562 --> 01:15:00,263
by the Orange County grand jury.
1616
01:15:00,363 --> 01:15:01,164
Authorities seized
1617
01:15:01,264 --> 01:15:03,099
7.9 million dollars in drugs,
1618
01:15:03,199 --> 01:15:05,134
and two LSD laboratories.
1619
01:15:05,234 --> 01:15:07,804
At the time, it
was a unprecedented
1620
01:15:07,904 --> 01:15:10,907
coordinated effort
among the feds,
1621
01:15:11,007 --> 01:15:12,776
and all the local people;
1622
01:15:12,876 --> 01:15:15,344
California, Oregon, Hawaii.
1623
01:15:15,444 --> 01:15:18,414
The news people
were all over it.
1624
01:15:18,514 --> 01:15:23,252
They were gonna put us
down once and for all.
1625
01:15:23,352 --> 01:15:26,255
Mark Stanton, and Russell
and his wife and kids,
1626
01:15:26,355 --> 01:15:27,523
everybody had kids,
1627
01:15:27,624 --> 01:15:29,593
me and Carol and all,
didn't know what to do,
1628
01:15:29,693 --> 01:15:34,197
so we went to the Barnum
and Bailey Circus.
1629
01:15:34,297 --> 01:15:38,101
And we just sort of
stayed there all day.
1630
01:15:38,201 --> 01:15:42,171
We could be anonymous in it.
1631
01:15:42,271 --> 01:15:43,873
And we saw the first show,
1632
01:15:43,973 --> 01:15:45,208
and then it got finished.
1633
01:15:45,308 --> 01:15:47,110
Saw the next show,
1634
01:15:47,210 --> 01:15:50,213
and we would sometimes
go out to the car
1635
01:15:50,313 --> 01:15:51,881
and listen to the
radio a little bit,
1636
01:15:51,981 --> 01:15:53,717
and see if we could
hear anything else.
1637
01:15:53,817 --> 01:15:55,151
Three more member
1638
01:15:55,251 --> 01:15:56,285
of the Brotherhood
of Eternal Love
1639
01:15:56,385 --> 01:15:57,621
have been caught in
an overnight raid
1640
01:15:57,721 --> 01:15:59,789
by authorities in Orange
County, California.
1641
01:15:59,889 --> 01:16:01,157
14 members
of The Brotherhood,
1642
01:16:01,257 --> 01:16:04,160
including Dr. Timothy
Leary, remain fugitives.
1643
01:16:04,260 --> 01:16:04,961
Authorities now...
1644
01:16:05,061 --> 01:16:05,862
- That was it.
1645
01:16:05,962 --> 01:16:08,231
That was the day that was over.
1646
01:16:08,331 --> 01:16:10,900
You know, everything that
we had known before that
1647
01:16:11,000 --> 01:16:12,401
was pretty much finished.
1648
01:16:12,501 --> 01:16:14,638
- We just ran.
1649
01:16:14,738 --> 01:16:16,840
We all just ran,
1650
01:16:16,940 --> 01:16:23,613
and hid, with our kids.
1651
01:16:23,713 --> 01:16:25,081
We were all separating
1652
01:16:25,181 --> 01:16:27,817
and going different
places to hide out.
1653
01:16:27,917 --> 01:16:29,052
The pre-dawn sweep
1654
01:16:29,152 --> 01:16:30,253
of southern and
northern California,
1655
01:16:30,353 --> 01:16:31,387
Hawaii, and Oregon,
1656
01:16:31,487 --> 01:16:33,589
netted 1.5 million LSD tablets,
1657
01:16:33,690 --> 01:16:35,391
30 gallons of hashish oil.
1658
01:16:35,491 --> 01:16:37,694
Somebody warned me that
they knew where I was
1659
01:16:37,794 --> 01:16:39,228
and they were coming to get me.
1660
01:16:39,328 --> 01:16:40,897
- So, Travis and I left.
1661
01:16:40,997 --> 01:16:42,598
We left that afternoon.
1662
01:16:42,699 --> 01:16:45,201
And we flew from
there to Belize,
1663
01:16:45,301 --> 01:16:47,771
and then from Belize
we took a bus,
1664
01:16:47,871 --> 01:16:50,439
and then we switched our IDs
as we crossed the border.
1665
01:16:50,539 --> 01:16:55,244
We went into
Yucatan with new ID.
1666
01:16:55,344 --> 01:16:57,747
Michael and I went
to the Caribbean.
1667
01:16:57,847 --> 01:17:00,216
We just bought
tickets, paid cash.
1668
01:17:00,316 --> 01:17:03,286
Gone, no record, nobody.
1669
01:17:03,386 --> 01:17:05,855
We went to the Bahamas
and Cayman Islands,
1670
01:17:05,955 --> 01:17:08,257
and we ended up in Jamaica.
1671
01:17:08,357 --> 01:17:11,961
We were underground for sure.
1672
01:17:12,061 --> 01:17:13,629
We had to change our identity,
1673
01:17:13,730 --> 01:17:14,964
but we were good at that.
1674
01:17:15,064 --> 01:17:16,232
We were like chameleons,
1675
01:17:16,332 --> 01:17:19,635
whatever the situation
called for, you know.
1676
01:17:19,736 --> 01:17:21,404
Be straight, be not straight.
1677
01:17:21,504 --> 01:17:22,972
You know, be groovy,
1678
01:17:23,072 --> 01:17:24,941
whatever we needed to be.
1679
01:17:25,041 --> 01:17:27,376
Our children, you know, they
all kept their first names.
1680
01:17:27,476 --> 01:17:30,246
You know, they knew if
somebody asked them questions,
1681
01:17:30,346 --> 01:17:32,248
they just don't answer
certain questions.
1682
01:17:32,348 --> 01:17:36,152
They don't know,
they're just kids.
1683
01:17:36,252 --> 01:17:39,388
I had to change their
original transcripts
1684
01:17:39,488 --> 01:17:42,358
into a different name,
1685
01:17:42,458 --> 01:17:47,630
so we had records to
get 'em into school.
1686
01:17:47,731 --> 01:17:49,398
The future was uncertain.
1687
01:17:49,498 --> 01:17:52,736
I did not know
when we went to New Mexico
1688
01:17:52,836 --> 01:17:55,238
what was gonna happen.
1689
01:17:55,338 --> 01:17:58,574
I bought some jewelry equipment
and stone cutting equipment,
1690
01:17:58,674 --> 01:18:02,345
and I started making
a living with that.
1691
01:18:02,445 --> 01:18:05,581
We were just at the crest
of the wave of the big boom
1692
01:18:05,681 --> 01:18:07,616
of Indian turquoise jewelry,
1693
01:18:07,717 --> 01:18:11,420
when it went off in the 70s.
1694
01:18:11,520 --> 01:18:13,622
Well, I spent 11
years as a fugitive.
1695
01:18:13,723 --> 01:18:15,424
Raised my family as a fugitive,
1696
01:18:15,524 --> 01:18:17,193
living all over world.
1697
01:18:17,293 --> 01:18:20,263
And I actually hooked
up with Michael Randall,
1698
01:18:20,363 --> 01:18:23,867
and Chuck Scott who I
hadn't seen in years.
1699
01:18:23,967 --> 01:18:25,534
Kind of rejoined the crew.
1700
01:18:25,634 --> 01:18:27,370
I bought a ton of hash,
1701
01:18:27,470 --> 01:18:30,439
so I gave them the whole
Moroccan load to sell.
1702
01:18:30,539 --> 01:18:35,178
I just let them do it,
and they moved it all.
1703
01:18:35,278 --> 01:18:37,180
- We were in the studio one day,
1704
01:18:37,280 --> 01:18:39,648
and the phone rang and
it was from Travis,
1705
01:18:39,749 --> 01:18:41,617
and I could hear
the conversation,
1706
01:18:41,717 --> 01:18:43,219
Michael talking to 'em,
1707
01:18:43,319 --> 01:18:49,358
Something inside me just
knew something was wrong.
1708
01:18:49,458 --> 01:18:54,563
They tapped every phone
in the town of Long Pine.
1709
01:18:54,663 --> 01:18:56,232
Me and a guy named Bill
1710
01:18:56,332 --> 01:18:58,968
were taking a Cayman Airways
flight over the Grand Canyon.
1711
01:18:59,068 --> 01:19:02,505
We got on the plane,
and the door closes.
1712
01:19:02,605 --> 01:19:04,140
The plane pulls
away from the gate.
1713
01:19:04,240 --> 01:19:05,374
It was about three feet.
1714
01:19:05,474 --> 01:19:07,343
It pulls back up.
1715
01:19:07,443 --> 01:19:09,678
The door opens, these
guys come on board,
1716
01:19:09,779 --> 01:19:11,347
two or three of 'em, memory...
1717
01:19:11,447 --> 01:19:13,482
They come up, stop
right at my row,
1718
01:19:13,582 --> 01:19:15,651
look at me and go,
"Mr. Ashbrook?"
1719
01:19:15,751 --> 01:19:18,154
I hadn't used the name in years,
1720
01:19:18,254 --> 01:19:19,522
years, and years.
1721
01:19:19,622 --> 01:19:20,890
I just didn't even look up.
1722
01:19:20,990 --> 01:19:23,426
"Mr. Ashbrook?
1723
01:19:23,526 --> 01:19:24,994
"Come with us, please."
1724
01:19:31,034 --> 01:19:33,436
I had met this
guy through Chuck Scott,
1725
01:19:33,536 --> 01:19:35,038
from the east coast
1726
01:19:35,138 --> 01:19:38,541
who had been bringing in
Pakistani hash on airplanes.
1727
01:19:38,641 --> 01:19:41,444
And he had somebody at
the airport in New York
1728
01:19:41,544 --> 01:19:43,346
that would clear it.
1729
01:19:43,446 --> 01:19:44,580
I met Kitting,
1730
01:19:44,680 --> 01:19:46,249
he seemed like a straight
shooter, good guy.
1731
01:19:46,349 --> 01:19:49,085
So I fly to Afghanistan,
and I land I Kabul.
1732
01:19:49,185 --> 01:19:51,554
And when I'm walking
up to immigration,
1733
01:19:51,654 --> 01:19:53,289
they see my name on my passport,
1734
01:19:53,389 --> 01:19:54,891
and I'm red-listed.
1735
01:19:54,991 --> 01:19:57,093
So, all of a sudden,
everything's different
1736
01:19:57,193 --> 01:20:00,063
than anything I'd experienced
flying in there before.
1737
01:20:00,163 --> 01:20:06,335
A guy says, "I need
you to come with me."
1738
01:20:06,435 --> 01:20:09,973
I was on the run
for about 10 years.
1739
01:20:10,073 --> 01:20:11,574
After I got back to America,
1740
01:20:11,674 --> 01:20:13,709
when I was back in
California permanently,
1741
01:20:13,809 --> 01:20:17,446
I didn't have any ID
for about eight years.
1742
01:20:17,546 --> 01:20:19,782
One day I'm moving Wendy
up to northern California,
1743
01:20:19,883 --> 01:20:21,617
and I've got big pickup truck,
1744
01:20:21,717 --> 01:20:23,419
and it's filled with her stuff,
1745
01:20:23,519 --> 01:20:25,889
where I can't see behind me.
1746
01:20:25,989 --> 01:20:28,157
And I pull into
this liquor store,
1747
01:20:28,257 --> 01:20:29,993
but I kinda miss
the entrance to it,
1748
01:20:30,093 --> 01:20:31,260
and I had to back up,
1749
01:20:31,360 --> 01:20:32,495
but I couldn't tell if
anyone was behind me,
1750
01:20:32,595 --> 01:20:33,429
and I couldn't see him.
1751
01:20:33,529 --> 01:20:34,497
So, I backed the truck up,
1752
01:20:34,597 --> 01:20:35,764
and I pulled around,
1753
01:20:35,865 --> 01:20:37,833
pulled into the little
convenience store,
1754
01:20:37,934 --> 01:20:39,435
whatever market was there,
1755
01:20:39,535 --> 01:20:41,737
and I jumped out of my
truck and I looked back,
1756
01:20:41,837 --> 01:20:43,139
and my car's like this,
1757
01:20:43,239 --> 01:20:45,641
and a cop car's
parked right there,
1758
01:20:45,741 --> 01:20:46,943
and he's got his window down,
1759
01:20:47,043 --> 01:20:48,677
and he's goin' like this.
1760
01:20:48,777 --> 01:20:51,280
And he tells me, "Well, you
almost hit me back there.
1761
01:20:51,380 --> 01:20:52,348
"You know that?"
1762
01:20:52,448 --> 01:20:53,516
I said, "I know,
I couldn't see,
1763
01:20:53,616 --> 01:20:54,918
"but I didn't hit you, right?"
1764
01:20:55,018 --> 01:20:58,087
He said, "No, but you
really came close though.
1765
01:20:58,187 --> 01:21:01,590
He says, "Well, let
me see your license."
1766
01:21:01,690 --> 01:21:02,791
And I told him...
1767
01:21:02,892 --> 01:21:04,360
I kind of hemmed and hawed,
1768
01:21:04,460 --> 01:21:06,462
and he said, "You don't
have a license, do you?"
1769
01:21:06,562 --> 01:21:10,866
I told him, "No."
1770
01:21:10,967 --> 01:21:12,135
Chuck
Scott was killed
1771
01:21:12,235 --> 01:21:16,405
by US Marshals in Mill Valley.
1772
01:21:16,505 --> 01:21:19,475
Shot him in the head
as he was running,
1773
01:21:19,575 --> 01:21:22,946
in front of his
wife and his baby,
1774
01:21:23,046 --> 01:21:25,949
and she was pregnant.
1775
01:21:26,049 --> 01:21:27,984
Police were going to
my parents' house,
1776
01:21:28,084 --> 01:21:32,888
telling 'em, "You know, we
just shot Chuck in the back.
1777
01:21:32,989 --> 01:21:35,124
"You better tell us where
your son and daughter are.
1778
01:21:35,224 --> 01:21:36,859
"You know, because
when we find 'em,
1779
01:21:36,960 --> 01:21:38,627
"we're not going
to ask questions.
1780
01:21:38,727 --> 01:21:43,232
"We're going to be shooting."
1781
01:21:43,332 --> 01:21:46,135
We were living
outside of Boulder.
1782
01:21:46,235 --> 01:21:48,404
It was a little
town called Lions,
1783
01:21:48,504 --> 01:21:52,308
out where it's really
in the country.
1784
01:21:52,408 --> 01:21:53,742
It was a hot summer day,
1785
01:21:53,842 --> 01:21:56,512
and I had, I was studying for my
1786
01:21:56,612 --> 01:22:00,383
GIA Diamond Certificate class.
1787
01:22:00,483 --> 01:22:01,717
I'm studying for it,
1788
01:22:01,817 --> 01:22:04,020
and my son, Daniel,
is takin' a nap.
1789
01:22:04,120 --> 01:22:05,989
He's sleepin' in my lap,
1790
01:22:06,089 --> 01:22:08,257
and the front door was open.
1791
01:22:08,357 --> 01:22:10,559
I didn't even hear
their cars come.
1792
01:22:17,033 --> 01:22:19,668
We were down in the
lower part of our house.
1793
01:22:19,768 --> 01:22:22,171
It was like a sunken room.
1794
01:22:22,271 --> 01:22:26,442
I stood up, and I looked out,
1795
01:22:26,542 --> 01:22:29,945
and I could see all these men
1796
01:22:30,046 --> 01:22:35,151
surrounding our
house with rifles.
1797
01:22:35,251 --> 01:22:36,919
And I went over, and I said,
1798
01:22:37,020 --> 01:22:39,222
"Honey, they're here."
1799
01:22:39,322 --> 01:22:40,723
And he said, "Who?
1800
01:22:40,823 --> 01:22:43,092
"The kids are back from
the beach already?"
1801
01:22:43,192 --> 01:22:47,430
I said, "No, they're here."
1802
01:22:47,530 --> 01:22:49,532
I made Michael promise me
1803
01:22:49,632 --> 01:22:52,768
that he would not panic and run.
1804
01:22:56,805 --> 01:23:00,043
They came
charging in pointing 45s at me,
1805
01:23:00,143 --> 01:23:00,976
and I'm trying to tell them,
1806
01:23:01,077 --> 01:23:03,712
"I have a child in my lap."
1807
01:23:03,812 --> 01:23:10,019
You know, be careful.
1808
01:23:10,119 --> 01:23:13,256
They allowed us
to hug and kiss.
1809
01:23:13,356 --> 01:23:15,658
They handcuffed him,
1810
01:23:15,758 --> 01:23:17,326
and that's when they drove away.
1811
01:23:52,561 --> 01:23:54,597
The 60s had its casualties.
1812
01:23:54,697 --> 01:23:57,466
It wasn't just a clean
ride for everybody.
1813
01:23:57,566 --> 01:24:01,604
And I know that
more than anybody.
1814
01:24:01,704 --> 01:24:05,941
But, through all trials,
tribulation, and suffering,
1815
01:24:06,041 --> 01:24:08,811
we never ever lost faith.
1816
01:24:08,911 --> 01:24:11,614
There was so much at stake.
1817
01:24:11,714 --> 01:24:13,149
We were a unit,
1818
01:24:13,249 --> 01:24:14,783
and whatever we went through,
1819
01:24:14,883 --> 01:24:16,652
we went through together,
1820
01:24:16,752 --> 01:24:18,154
as a group,
1821
01:24:18,254 --> 01:24:20,623
as a couple,
1822
01:24:20,723 --> 01:24:22,425
as a family.
1823
01:24:34,470 --> 01:24:36,139
- Well, I made it.
1824
01:24:36,239 --> 01:24:37,406
You must
have been overhead.
1825
01:24:37,506 --> 01:24:38,674
Good, good, good
to see you again.
1826
01:24:38,774 --> 01:24:39,875
You good?
1827
01:24:39,975 --> 01:24:41,043
If you go like that, you
got one missing lens.
1828
01:24:41,144 --> 01:24:43,379
We were very idealistic.
1829
01:24:43,479 --> 01:24:45,848
We were young kids and
1830
01:24:45,948 --> 01:24:48,484
it seemed like a
beautiful utopia dream.
1831
01:24:48,584 --> 01:24:50,052
We were trying to make it real.
1832
01:24:50,153 --> 01:24:52,255
One, two three.
1833
01:24:52,355 --> 01:24:53,856
And again.
1834
01:24:53,956 --> 01:24:55,224
The Brotherhood
will never end.
1835
01:24:55,324 --> 01:24:57,160
It's in the people that
had that experience,
1836
01:24:57,260 --> 01:24:59,728
that were there, that
experienced that special time.
1837
01:24:59,828 --> 01:25:01,597
It'll be with 'em forever.
1838
01:25:01,697 --> 01:25:03,632
They'll carry it
past their graves.
1839
01:25:09,538 --> 01:25:10,773
No, your favorite.
1840
01:25:10,873 --> 01:25:11,707
- Oh, okay.
1841
01:25:11,807 --> 01:25:13,842
We don't have Social Security.
1842
01:25:13,942 --> 01:25:15,578
We have nothing.
1843
01:25:15,678 --> 01:25:19,215
If I don't pay my rent next
month, we're on the street.
1844
01:25:19,315 --> 01:25:20,549
There probably isn't one of us
1845
01:25:20,649 --> 01:25:21,950
that couldn't say that
the other guy owes 'em
1846
01:25:22,050 --> 01:25:23,118
a half a million,
1847
01:25:23,219 --> 01:25:24,587
but I imagine if he
paid a half million,
1848
01:25:24,687 --> 01:25:25,754
he'd pay the half
million, that all,
1849
01:25:25,854 --> 01:25:28,391
that there would
be even in the end,
1850
01:25:28,491 --> 01:25:29,725
'cause everybody's got a story,
1851
01:25:29,825 --> 01:25:31,394
but we don't care.
1852
01:25:31,494 --> 01:25:33,296
It isn't like somebody else
burned us, or took anything.
1853
01:25:33,396 --> 01:25:34,730
Loaded balls, we don't care.
1854
01:25:34,830 --> 01:25:36,432
It all's a wash.
1855
01:25:36,532 --> 01:25:38,267
We're here, we love each other.
1856
01:25:38,367 --> 01:25:39,602
Awesome, dude.
1857
01:25:39,702 --> 01:25:41,136
I'm happy to spend
the day with you.
1858
01:25:41,237 --> 01:25:43,739
Those things don't change,
those things don't change.
1859
01:25:43,839 --> 01:25:46,442
Once you really are
the same, and one,
1860
01:25:46,542 --> 01:25:48,811
and brothers, and real
friends, it doesn't matter.
1861
01:25:48,911 --> 01:25:50,613
Time can't space friends.
1862
01:25:50,713 --> 01:25:52,147
You just are.
1863
01:26:05,661 --> 01:26:06,895
I often thought
1864
01:26:06,995 --> 01:26:09,432
that if I ever told a
story about my life,
1865
01:26:09,532 --> 01:26:12,167
I would call it
The American Story,
1866
01:26:12,268 --> 01:26:14,903
because I think all of
it is very American,
1867
01:26:15,003 --> 01:26:17,273
even the drugs,
the psychedelics.
1868
01:26:17,373 --> 01:26:20,075
We have a lot of freedoms
here in this country,
1869
01:26:20,175 --> 01:26:23,612
and we exercised those
freedoms to the utmost,
1870
01:26:23,712 --> 01:26:25,848
to experiment the
way that we did,
1871
01:26:25,948 --> 01:26:29,252
and to travel worldwide
and to take big risks.
1872
01:26:29,352 --> 01:26:32,488
I think that's an American
story, I really do.
1873
01:26:40,529 --> 01:26:41,864
It's hard for
people to believe
1874
01:26:41,964 --> 01:26:43,766
that Eleonora and
could have lived
1875
01:26:43,866 --> 01:26:45,668
through the times we lived,
1876
01:26:45,768 --> 01:26:47,703
and never been afraid.
1877
01:26:56,745 --> 01:26:58,213
Loved his work.
1878
01:26:58,314 --> 01:27:00,182
Crazy, yeah maybe.
1879
01:27:00,283 --> 01:27:02,818
No, it's because we believed.
1880
01:27:02,918 --> 01:27:04,052
We believed in
what we were doing,
1881
01:27:04,152 --> 01:27:05,954
and if we took us out,
'cause we were doing it,
1882
01:27:06,054 --> 01:27:07,456
we'd have been taken out.
1883
01:27:07,556 --> 01:27:08,991
It just didn't happen to us.
1884
01:27:09,091 --> 01:27:11,026
It happened to a
lot of other people.
1885
01:27:23,939 --> 01:27:25,808
- We were outlaws, yes.
1886
01:27:25,908 --> 01:27:28,010
We broke the law, you betcha.
1887
01:27:28,110 --> 01:27:29,177
Laws were wrong.
1888
01:27:29,278 --> 01:27:31,414
We have to break 'em
if they're wrong,
1889
01:27:31,514 --> 01:27:34,950
because we had a goal of
wanting to turn on the world.
1890
01:27:40,856 --> 01:27:42,325
Then in only 50 years,
1891
01:27:42,425 --> 01:27:45,027
we have organic foods
in all kinds of places.
1892
01:27:45,127 --> 01:27:47,029
The changes that have bloomed
1893
01:27:47,129 --> 01:27:48,897
all around the world as a result
1894
01:27:48,997 --> 01:27:53,802
of taking people psychedelics.
1895
01:27:53,902 --> 01:27:57,440
I know for sure that
Steve Jobs took Sunshine.
1896
01:27:57,540 --> 01:28:00,343
I know positively that
the guy that discovered
1897
01:28:00,443 --> 01:28:03,278
the double helix DNA
was high on acid,
1898
01:28:03,379 --> 01:28:07,983
and I'm pretty sure
it was Sunshine.
1899
01:28:08,083 --> 01:28:12,688
What we were involved in
is human enlightenment.
1900
01:28:12,788 --> 01:28:15,524
That's no small thing.
1901
01:28:15,624 --> 01:28:20,195
I mean, 120 million
doses of acid.
1902
01:28:20,295 --> 01:28:23,231
That's called turning
on the world, man.
1903
01:28:43,552 --> 01:28:46,321
* We are the nomadic kids
1904
01:28:46,422 --> 01:28:51,193
* And they can't take that away
1905
01:28:51,293 --> 01:28:54,597
* We come with a message now
1906
01:28:54,697 --> 01:28:59,234
* It's fighting down away
1907
01:28:59,334 --> 01:29:02,270
* Some day old Sister Jude
1908
01:29:02,371 --> 01:29:07,843
* Will be in a holy place
1909
01:29:07,943 --> 01:29:11,847
* Our brothers
1910
01:29:11,947 --> 01:29:14,182
* These kinda brothers
1911
01:29:14,282 --> 01:29:19,488
* Our brothers
1912
01:30:38,133 --> 01:30:39,267
* What's your name
1913
01:30:39,367 --> 01:30:40,569
* Orange Sunshine
1914
01:30:40,669 --> 01:30:41,770
* Do you want more
1915
01:30:41,870 --> 01:30:43,739
* Yeah yeah143397
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