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One of the great things
about making movies
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is it's a communal art form.
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You have all these artists
working together
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to make
something beautiful
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and meaningful
to other people, you know.
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The relationships,
the friendships,
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the closeness
that you develop,
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that quality, Peter
wants in his films.
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He's exposing a part
of his personal life.
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Just after one decade of great
prominence and success,
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he found his true self
as a filmmaker.
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"They All Laughed" was
his most pure vision
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of what he's
most drawn to.
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It's almost unfathomable
when you look back
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to think
how famous Peter was.
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And then, also...
but it just shows
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how big he was that...
you know, how far he fell.
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No one
should go through
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what he's gone through
with his movies
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and what happened on
"They All Laughed."
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Devastating from
a personal level.
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You know, I don't know how
you ever recover from that.
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We didn't know Dorothy
that long, you know.
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I mean, we knew her
for a year.
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I think,
for me, I mean,
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I do feel like I lost
my father that day.
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[music playing]
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♪ I was sitting down ♪
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♪ All by myself ♪
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♪ Listening to everybody ♪
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♪ Everybody saying
be like everybody else ♪
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♪ Oh, you see ♪
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♪ I gotta be me ♪
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♪ And there ain't nobody
just like this ♪
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♪ I got to be me ♪
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Well, I'd first
met Peter,
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and he was writing for
"Esquire" magazine, I think.
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And he pretty much
knew everything
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there was to know about
movies and films,
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and he was just a
fascinating guy to talk to,
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because he had
already interviewed
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all these great
directors and actors,
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and he was out here doing
second unit work on a movie
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called "The Wild Angels"
for Roger Corman.
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ANNOUNCER:
They're wild and no angels.
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Law-defying,
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getting their kicks
from violence and torture.
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I had something happen to
me on "The Wild Angels."
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There was a fight with the
townies and the Angels,
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and there were
very few townies.
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There were,
like, four.
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And Roger leans
over to me. He says,
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"Run in there
as a townie."
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And they were the real
Hell's Angels, right?
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They were the real
Hell's Angels.
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They hated me, because
they hated Roger,
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and I was always
standing next to him.
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And I got in there, and they started
beating the shit out of me.
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Oh, no. Really?
Oh, really.
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I just said,
"Fuck this,"
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and I fell down
on the ground.
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When is he gonna
say, "Cut?" Fuck it.
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And it was
the longest time
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I ever heard to hear
the word, "Cut."
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Peter really wanted
to be a director.
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Mr. Corman had said,
"Well, I could give you
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the money to make
your first movie."
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If anybody ever got to do what
they really always wanted to do,
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it's you
making pictures.
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It's true.
Are these rumors true
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that you've spent
probably 80% of your life
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either seeing movies, reading
about them, writing about them,
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or cutting them up,
or something?
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Not cutting them up.
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I never cut a picture
till I did one, you know.
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Your own?
Yeah.
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But, uh, seeing 'em, yeah.
Yeah.
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And writing about 'em
a little bit,
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but seeing 'em a lot.
With Peter,
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he's making movies on the heels
of this whole other career
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of being a film
sort of historian.
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You know, Peter obviously
was very connected
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to all the guys
who came before him,
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and, you know,
he interviewed them all,
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and he studied them,
and he knew them so well.
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In Peter's early movies,
that's a big part of them.
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I mean, first he's got a movie
which is not even his choice.
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ANNOUNCER: A typical
American family at dinner.
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Mum and dad, their beautiful
daughter-in-law,
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and their only sun, Joe,
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a homicidal maniac.
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[gunshot]
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Hey, what are you doing?
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Aah!
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ANDERSON:
But he took this thing,
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and he made it about Boris
Karloff, the movie star.
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What's it all about?
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What?
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Everybody's dead.
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I feel like
a dinosaur.
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Oh, I know how people
think of me these days,
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old-fashioned,
outmoded.
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Well, not after this
picture, they wouldn't.
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You can't change your whole
lifetime with one picture.
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What have you got
if you quit?
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That movie, as you know,
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was a kind of success for a
first film for a young man.
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Low-budget,
Roger Cowman,
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Boris Karloff
for a few days.
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It had to be that he
owed them a few days.
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But that's
how it all began.
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This is a work of art.
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This is
the kind of property
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I'm gonna be proud
to put my name on.
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Are you writing this
down, Ed?
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Sometimes I think
making movies
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is... is kind of
magical in a way,
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and there are a couple of
different kinds of magic.
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You know, there's the magic
that you see magicians do,
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like sleight-of-hand,
and that's...
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And movies
certainly have that.
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It's really about creating
illusion, you know.
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And then there's that
other kind of magic of...
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you know, the real...
the real magic,
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you know, turning you know, water
into wine, lead into gold,
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that kind of stuff,
alchemy.
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And, uh, Peter has both
of those kinds of magic.
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The... The latter kind,
you know, the real magic,
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that comes out a lot
with the vibe
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and the kind of atmosphere
that you create
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for this thing
to happen, you know.
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The balls
that Peter would have
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to just hang on a moment
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and let the life go on between
the actors in that moment,
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you know, rather
than cutting, cutting,
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close... You know, he just
let it sit there, you know?
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Mose,
let's give him some money.
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Mose,
let's give him some money.
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No!
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Just a little bit.
We got $305.16.
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Whole 'nother business
giving it away.
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It's bad enough
you give away bibles.
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But they're poorly!
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The whole country's poorly.
I told you before.
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But Frank D. Roosevelt said we
gotta look out for one another.
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I don't care about
Frank D. Roosevelt.
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But he says it.
That so?
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Why don't you ask
Frank D. Roosevelt
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what he thinks about
taking care of himself?
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You think he don't
eat off silver trays?
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He could
eat off tabletops
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like the rest of us,
but he don't.
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You know why? Because that
would make him look common.
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And, besides, Frank D. Roosevelt
ain't running this thing.
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I'm runnin' it, so don't
you make up no rules
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about what we're
gonna give away.
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It's my money, too,
you know.
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$200 belongs to me,
and don't you forget that.
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You want it? Well, just put
my share in my pocket,
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and I'll take you
to a train station.
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How do you like that?
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Get the map! Find out
where the nearest depot is!
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Nothin' but trouble,
anyway.
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First you charge
too much.
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Then you want
to give it away.
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Where are we now?
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We just left Plainfield.
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$12 for a bible.
Then it's up to 24.
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If I stay with you, I'll spend
the rest of my life in jail!
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There's a depot in Lincoln.
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You can take me
to Lincoln!
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You bet I will.
Where's Lincoln?
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Clear over there!
Ah, boy.
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You think I'm gonna take
you clear over there
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just to get you
to some depot?
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Then keep going east.
We'll hit one in Sylvan Grove.
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Where's Sylvan Grove?
Right here!
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Well, th-that'll take us
down through Lucas.
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You gotta go through something
to get to Sylvan Grove.
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I am not complaining! I'm just
saying it'll take you through Lucas.
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You gotta go through
Paradise and Walden
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and Lorraine...
Lorraine, huh?
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If you want to get
to Sylvan Grove!
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Well, those are pretty
good towns in there.
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We could do
some business in there.
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Well, it won't matter much.
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We're near
out of bibles anyway.
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What do you mean,
we're out of bibles?
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Why didn't you tell me
we were out of bibles?
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You look in the box,
too, don't you?
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Well, you know, you got
an excuse for everything.
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'Cause you blame me
for everything.
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If we were
running out of bibles,
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you should have told me we
were running out of bibles!
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Well, we're
running out of bibles!
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Well, then we
gotta get new ones!
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Then let's get new ones!
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We can pick some up
in Great Bend.
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Great Bend's
the other way.
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Well, we gotta have
bibles, don't we?
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Let's see now. We can
veer down to Lucas,
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and we'll veer over
to Wilson,
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veer off to Lorraine
and Bushton.
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We could... We could
veer off to Hoisington.
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Just have to keep on
veering, that's all.
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I think if, like in
"The Last Picture Show,"
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whew... I even break...
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I'm just thinking
about it.
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That last scene
with Cloris and Tim.
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My God, every time
I think about it,
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just amazing.
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I'm sorry I'm still
in my bathrobe.
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What am I doing
apologizing to you?
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Why am I always apologizing
to you, you little bastard?
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Three months, I been
apologizing to you
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without you
even being here!
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I haven't
done anything wrung.
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Why can't I
quit apologizing?
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You're the one
ought to be sorry!
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I wouldn't still be
in my bathrobe.
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If it hadn't
have been for you,
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I'd have had my clothes
on hours ago.
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You're the one made me quit
caring if I got dressed or not!
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Cloris, not too long ago, I was
talking to her about that scene,
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and I said, "You know,
that scene just kills me."
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And she goes, "Oh,
I'm so pissed at Peter."
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I said,
"What do you mean?"
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She says, "That was
the first take.
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I could have done it
so much better."
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I said, "Cloris,
get outta here!"
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This weekend
sees the opening
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of the Ninth Annual
New York Film Festival
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at the Vivian Beaumont Theater at
Lincoln Center in New York City.
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"Camera Three" today will focus on
the work of two American directors,
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Peter Bogdanovich
and Henry Jaglom,
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where Mr. Bogdanovich is represented
by "The Last Picture Show"
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and Mr. Jaglom
by "A Safe Place."
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How do you feel about having
your film in it, the reaction?
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Well, I'm dying to see it with a
big audience, you know. I never...
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I have only seen it, uh, with
intimate groups of three, you know.
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And I'm dying
to see it with...
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what is it, 800 people
or something? Yeah.
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It's a rather heavy drama,
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but I'm looking forward to
where they laugh on purpose.
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♪ If you love me ♪
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♪ Half as much
as I love you... ♪
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I didn't take
acting lessons before.
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So, certainly for me to have my
first teacher be Peter Bogdanovich
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in one
of the greatest movies
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of all time
was just extraordinary.
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♪ You're nice to me ♪
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♪ When there's
no one else around... ♪
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Owen Wilson and I were both very,
very taken with that movie,
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and it has always
meant a lot to us.
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And I think
"Bottle Rocket,"
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the first movie
that I directed
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that Owen Wilson and I
made together,
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we were probably trying to do our own
version of "The Last Picture Show."
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The craziest thing is in my
first shot in the movie,
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I come all the way back with
Jeff Bridges, and I say...
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"Hi. What y'all doin'
back here in the dark?"
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And right before I went
to do my first take,
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Peter said to me,
"I don't know
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who I'm more in love
with, Cybill or Jacy."
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[laughs]
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So that was my...
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That was what was inspiring me
when I went up that thing.
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I had that look on my face
from him saying that.
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Do you think that
"The Last Picture Show"
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is a John Ford
type movie?
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No. I think it's a Peter
Bogdanovich type movie.
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Well, were you
influenced by John Ford,
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do you think,
in the way it was made?
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Well, I think I've been influenced
by all the movies I've seen.
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Peter became fucking famous.
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I mean, I was too young to actually
really realize how famous he was,
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but the fact that I knew
Peter Bogdanovich
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did "The Last Picture Show"
when I was in first grade
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should have
told you something.
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♪ We must
remember this ♪
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C-minor seventh?
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♪ A kiss is
still a kiss ♪
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ANNOUNCER: In a rare glimpse
of two artists at work,
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we are afforded an insight
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into how director
Peter Bogdanovich,
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working with stars
Barbra Streisand and Ryan O'Neal
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can manage to put these
two performers together
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and create that
almost indefinable thing
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which is most simply described
as a motion picture
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called "What's Up, Doc?"
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♪ ...goes by ♪
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I didn't even know
they were shooting that.
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Well, Laszlo
comes up to me,
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and he says,
"Barbra's being made up,
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"and it's a very complicated
camera move.
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Could you
rehearse it once?"
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I said, "Sure."
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Behind my back, they turn on...
they turned it on.
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And then when it was over, they
just did that for sync, you know.
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I didn't know that.
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And, uh, John Calley
calls me up,
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the head of the studio,
the next day.
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He says, "Have you seen
the dailies yet?" I said, "No."
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He says, "Well,
you're in for a surprise."
305
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I said, "What are
you talking about?"
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He says, "You'll see."
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Comes on, and I said,
"Oh, my God!
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You shot it, Laszlo!"
Everybody laughed.
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♪ What the future... ♪
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It was so funny when I went
to kiss Ryan and all that,
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that they used it.
[laughter]
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If you want to see
how famous Peter is,
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If you want to see
how famous Peter is,
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watch the trailers
for his first movies.
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And this is Ryan O'Neal.
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You remember him
from "Love Story" and...
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"Peyton Place."
"Peyton Place,"
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and "Games"...
"Wild Rovers."
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and "The Big Bounce" was
one of his bigger hits.
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Also, a Warner Bros...
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Miss Barbra Streisand
over here.
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You remember her
from "Funny Face."
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Barbra Streisand has never
been so inconsequential
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to a trailer for a Barbra
Streisand movie ever.
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Because it was the day in the
life of groovy Peter Bogdanovich
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making his groovy movie
called "What's Up, Doc?"
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"And here's my friends
Babs and Ryan."
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ANNOUNCER:
This is San Francisco,
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the city chosen by one
of the most brilliant
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and sensitive new generation of
filmmakers, Peter Bogdanovich.
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Watch the trailers
for "What's Up, Doc?"
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Watch the trailers
for "Daisy Miller."
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Watch the trailers
for "Paper Moon."
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Watch the trailers
for "Saint Jack."
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They're trailers
of Peter making the movie.
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ANNOUNCER:
This year, Peter Bogdanovich
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has made a movie in color,
"Daisy Miller,"
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starring Cybill Shepherd.
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TARANTINO:
That's what we're selling.
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We're selling
Peter's making a movie.
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BOGDANOVICH: When success
came, I remember Orson Welles
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said to me at one point,
"You don't know who you are."
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'Cause he was telling me to get a
print from Hollywood to send to Paris,
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And I said, "I don't think
they'll do that."
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He says, "You ask them to,
they'll do it.
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You don't know
who you are."
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And he was right.
I didn't know.
348
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Because during that
very successful period,
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I remember
feeling sort of strange,
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like everybody hated me
351
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or was looking at me
in strange ways,
352
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and I look
back on it now,
353
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and I think I was
just uncomfortable.
354
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Except when I was
alone with Cybill.
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TARANTINO: He guest hosted
the Johnny Carson show twice.
356
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Johnny Carson, who never had
directors even on as guests.
357
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Peter hosted it,
hosted it twice.
358
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They're waiting
to kill us both.
359
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No. Listen,
this is part of the...
360
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what I call
the envy barrier.
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Yeah, what is that?
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What is that, the envy barrier?
It's success.
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No. When you..
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When you're
as successful as you are
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and you have a gorgeous lady,
as you do have...
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Who is that?
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[laughter]
What is her name, anyway?
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Cybill, uh...
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Yeah, let's not
discuss what... Yes.
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Right. Go ahead.
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You have her. You have
four pictures in a row
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that make, like,
$30 million.
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A guy has to learn
to hate you.
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[laughter]
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TARANTINO: But Peter
got slammed big time
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for doing those
talk show appearances,
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for being
on the "Dinah Shore Show,"
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for, you know,
going on talk shows
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and being funny and
doing impersonations
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and chatting people up,
and, you know, like,
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how dare a director try to
be that much of a celebrity?
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And I got accused of that
myself, but I didn't care much,
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and no one cares
about that now anyway,
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and directors are always
on talk shows now.
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MAN: I think that people
resented how famous he was
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and just how much about
his life they knew about,
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whereas somebody
like Scorsese,
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people don't know who he
was with on a Saturday,
389
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you know,
and people don't care,
390
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but with Bogdanovich,
his personality
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was so in the public
consciousness.
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[jazz playing]
393
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♪ Why can't you behave? ♪
394
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♪ Oh, why can't you behave? ♪
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He was, uh,
really successful
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really young, 28, 29,
397
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and, um, Peter's
very humble now.
398
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He wasn't always humble.
399
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We all know that. Um...
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especially people that
were working with him
401
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when he was younger
know that.
402
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BRIDGES:
People often think of him,
403
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uh, he's a very arrogant,
highfalutin,
404
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full of himself cat,
you know.
405
00:17:02,454 --> 00:17:04,263
And he is all those things,
406
00:17:04,356 --> 00:17:06,996
but he's also
very down-to-earth
407
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and has a whole
other side that...
408
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the public, uh, is probably
not privy to, I think.
409
00:17:13,432 --> 00:17:16,572
It's not that he was
arrogant in my mind,
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as much as that he...
he was confident
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and that
he was confident
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in that he actually really
knew what he was doing
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and what he wanted,
and he was very sure
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that he was
going to have it,
415
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and that can be
confusing to people.
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And then he was very
sensitive within all that.
417
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So if he became loud
or very direct,
418
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people thought
he was an asshole.
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He was really fighting
for what he believed in.
420
00:17:45,564 --> 00:17:47,703
You know, I remember waiting
outside "The New York Times"
421
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for their review of "The
Last Picture Show,"
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which is, of course, one of
the greatest reviews ever.
423
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We did the same thing
for "At Long Last Love,"
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only it was
the opposite reaction.
425
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People just hated
that movie,
426
00:17:58,444 --> 00:18:00,219
and they hated us,
and they hated
427
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that we seemed like
we had it all.
428
00:18:02,681 --> 00:18:07,391
I thought he took... took a bad
rap with Cybill Shepherd.
429
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I... I think people went
too much the other way.
430
00:18:10,656 --> 00:18:13,068
MARSHALL: Sometimes
you get caught up
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in what I call the other
side of Hollywood
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and in the publicity
of it all,
433
00:18:16,662 --> 00:18:18,335
and... and you
forget about,
434
00:18:18,430 --> 00:18:19,710
you know,
what you're here to do,
435
00:18:19,765 --> 00:18:22,143
which is make movies
and tell stories.
436
00:18:22,267 --> 00:18:23,610
Certainly,
he had a relationship
437
00:18:23,702 --> 00:18:25,648
with Cybill Shepherd,
and that ended.
438
00:18:25,771 --> 00:18:27,773
Peter thought
there was so much noise
439
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that was not about the
stories that he was telling,
440
00:18:30,275 --> 00:18:31,549
that he wanted
to take a break
441
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and then come back in a
kind of a different way
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to tell a different story
like "Saint Jack."
443
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[music playing]
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BOGDANOVICH: We're on
the island of Singapore
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making a movie here.
446
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Singapore's
in the South China Sea
447
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right off the coast of Malaya.
448
00:18:46,658 --> 00:18:48,228
They call it Malaysia now.
449
00:18:48,360 --> 00:18:50,499
Singapore, it's kind of like
a United States of Asia.
450
00:18:50,629 --> 00:18:51,767
2 1/2 million people
451
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on an island not much bigger
than Manhattan,
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Chinese people
from every province,
453
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Malays, Tamils, Sikhs,
Ceylonese, Eurasians,
454
00:19:00,139 --> 00:19:01,812
and, of course, the any mo.
455
00:19:02,141 --> 00:19:04,121
That's what they
call us over here, redheads,
456
00:19:04,243 --> 00:19:07,588
the English, the Australians,
and a few Americans.
457
00:19:07,713 --> 00:19:09,124
The picture we're making
458
00:19:09,214 --> 00:19:12,195
is about one of those Americans,
Jack Flowers.
459
00:19:12,317 --> 00:19:13,796
Jack's a pimp.
460
00:19:13,886 --> 00:19:16,560
Mr. Flowers, you're...
you're a ponce, aren't you?
461
00:19:16,688 --> 00:19:18,793
It's hard to say
what anyone is.
462
00:19:18,924 --> 00:19:21,302
Well, I only mention it,
because, personally speaking,
463
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I can never bring myself
to pay.
464
00:19:23,295 --> 00:19:25,832
William, people make love
for so many crazy reasons.
465
00:19:26,165 --> 00:19:27,525
Why shouldn't money
be one of them?
466
00:19:27,833 --> 00:19:29,278
MAN: I got
a call that night.
467
00:19:29,368 --> 00:19:32,144
He said, "Ben, I'm thinking of
doing a picture in Singapore.
468
00:19:32,237 --> 00:19:33,477
I'd like you to do it."
469
00:19:33,605 --> 00:19:35,414
I said,
"That's terrific."
470
00:19:35,507 --> 00:19:36,747
He says, "Yeah,
I have a script.
471
00:19:36,842 --> 00:19:38,412
"Why don't you
come by the house,
472
00:19:38,544 --> 00:19:39,818
"have a drink tonight,
and I'll give you
473
00:19:39,945 --> 00:19:41,481
the script.
See if you like it."
474
00:19:41,613 --> 00:19:42,887
And it was "Saint Jack."
475
00:19:43,215 --> 00:19:45,593
I read it. I didn't like it.
I loved it.
476
00:19:45,717 --> 00:19:46,821
Jack.
Yeah?
477
00:19:46,952 --> 00:19:48,158
You knowing
the two?
478
00:19:48,287 --> 00:19:49,698
Oh, yeah, I know him.
Hi, Henry.
479
00:19:49,788 --> 00:19:51,165
They're okay, honey.
480
00:19:51,256 --> 00:19:52,428
Good evening.
481
00:19:52,558 --> 00:19:53,866
Good evening.
482
00:19:54,193 --> 00:19:55,433
Beautiful.
Where's she from?
483
00:19:55,561 --> 00:19:56,562
Ceylon.
484
00:19:56,695 --> 00:19:58,174
Ceylon? Yeah.
485
00:19:58,297 --> 00:19:59,469
They call it
Sri Lanka now.
486
00:19:59,598 --> 00:20:00,474
Yeah, I know.
487
00:20:00,599 --> 00:20:01,839
Screwed up
all the names.
488
00:20:01,934 --> 00:20:05,472
Zanzibar, the Congo,
Siam, Persia,
489
00:20:05,604 --> 00:20:07,379
all gone.
490
00:20:07,506 --> 00:20:10,646
MAN: Really, some people were killed
because of that fucking thing!
491
00:20:10,776 --> 00:20:13,188
Just a minute, huh?
Yeah, sure.
492
00:20:13,278 --> 00:20:15,918
The first review I
ever wrote of anything,
493
00:20:16,248 --> 00:20:17,727
for my high school
newspaper,
494
00:20:17,816 --> 00:20:21,389
I wrote a piece about seeing
Ben Gazzara off-Broadway
495
00:20:21,520 --> 00:20:25,229
in Calder Willingham's
play, "End as a Man."
496
00:20:25,357 --> 00:20:26,802
I was electrified
by Benny.
497
00:20:26,925 --> 00:20:28,927
He was the most exciting
young actor
498
00:20:29,261 --> 00:20:31,468
to come along in New
York since Brando.
499
00:20:31,597 --> 00:20:36,603
I'd never seen
such explosive silence.
500
00:20:36,735 --> 00:20:38,373
I met him in '77
501
00:20:38,503 --> 00:20:42,508
when John Cassavetes was
making, um, "Opening Night"
502
00:20:42,641 --> 00:20:46,248
and he invited me to the set
to be a recognizable extra.
503
00:20:46,378 --> 00:20:49,222
I am so drunk, I can hardly
stand on these two feet.
504
00:20:49,314 --> 00:20:50,520
I wouldn't know.
505
00:20:50,649 --> 00:20:51,957
I will call you when I'm
a little clearer?
506
00:20:52,284 --> 00:20:52,955
Promise?
507
00:20:53,285 --> 00:20:54,285
Peter?
Peter?
508
00:20:54,353 --> 00:20:56,230
And I was
introduced to Benny,
509
00:20:56,321 --> 00:20:57,493
and then
we all had lunch,
510
00:20:57,589 --> 00:20:59,364
and Benny said, "Order
whatever you want."
511
00:20:59,458 --> 00:21:01,631
"John's paying. John's paying.
Order what you like."
512
00:21:01,727 --> 00:21:03,764
Then he used to do that with
me later in Singapore.
513
00:21:03,895 --> 00:21:04,839
He'd say,
"Whatever you like,
514
00:21:04,963 --> 00:21:06,909
Peter's paying"
[laughs]
515
00:21:07,032 --> 00:21:09,842
So "Saint Jack" was kind of...
I remember seeing that movie
516
00:21:09,968 --> 00:21:11,777
and being so happy for Peter,
517
00:21:11,903 --> 00:21:14,782
because it was like kind of
a shot in the arm, you know.
518
00:21:14,873 --> 00:21:16,910
He had gotten into
these bigger productions,
519
00:21:17,009 --> 00:21:18,818
you know,
more money to work with,
520
00:21:18,944 --> 00:21:21,254
and with "Saint Jack,"
he didn't.
521
00:21:21,380 --> 00:21:23,451
It was down and dirty.
It was just like,
522
00:21:23,582 --> 00:21:25,459
you know, "Last Picture
Show" days, you know.
523
00:21:25,584 --> 00:21:27,962
And he... God, he pulled
that off so brilliantly.
524
00:21:28,287 --> 00:21:30,528
And as you pan,
there's Denholm
525
00:21:30,622 --> 00:21:32,260
standing there,
looking at her.
526
00:21:32,391 --> 00:21:35,531
Peter and I and George
Morfogen, his dear friend,
527
00:21:35,627 --> 00:21:37,664
great actor, too,
on his own.
528
00:21:37,796 --> 00:21:40,276
He was in "They All
Laughed." Yeah.
529
00:21:40,365 --> 00:21:42,971
But there he was just there
protecting Peter's back.
530
00:21:43,302 --> 00:21:44,474
Peter said,
"What would you think
531
00:21:44,603 --> 00:21:46,446
about being
associate producer?"
532
00:21:46,571 --> 00:21:49,552
And the first thing I said...
And I remember exactly.
533
00:21:49,641 --> 00:21:51,416
I don't always remember
exactly, but I remember, yeah.
534
00:21:51,543 --> 00:21:53,420
I said, "Peter,
I've never done that."
535
00:21:53,512 --> 00:21:54,991
He said, "I know."
536
00:21:55,314 --> 00:21:58,557
And then I was in Singapore
not long after that.
537
00:21:58,817 --> 00:22:01,423
So we'd meet every night
in Peter's room
538
00:22:01,520 --> 00:22:04,865
and write the scene that we
were gonna shoot the next day,
539
00:22:04,990 --> 00:22:06,833
and it was so exciting.
540
00:22:06,925 --> 00:22:10,498
I mean, really involved with
the creation of the pimp.
541
00:22:10,629 --> 00:22:12,370
And we walked around
Singapore together.
542
00:22:12,497 --> 00:22:14,306
We went to the
cathouses, you know,
543
00:22:14,566 --> 00:22:17,979
the...
all the older places
544
00:22:18,103 --> 00:22:20,879
that are not there
anymore, Bugis Street.
545
00:22:21,006 --> 00:22:23,850
Benny and I had
some female interaction
546
00:22:23,942 --> 00:22:25,717
when we were doing
"Saint Jack,"
547
00:22:25,811 --> 00:22:28,018
and I heard
about his life,
548
00:22:28,347 --> 00:22:30,020
he heard about mine,
549
00:22:30,349 --> 00:22:33,489
and I thought it would be interesting
to make a movie about that,
550
00:22:33,618 --> 00:22:37,589
about, you know,
sex in the city.
551
00:22:37,723 --> 00:22:38,963
[chuckles]
552
00:22:45,897 --> 00:22:48,673
WOMAN: Director Peter
Bogdanovich is in New York City
553
00:22:48,800 --> 00:22:51,007
to shoot his new comedy,
"They All Laughed."
554
00:22:51,136 --> 00:22:54,049
The film stars Audrey Hepburn,
John Ritter, and Ben Gazzara.
555
00:22:54,373 --> 00:22:55,784
Bogdanovich
returned last year
556
00:22:55,907 --> 00:22:57,909
with the critically
acclaimed "Saint Jack,"
557
00:22:58,043 --> 00:23:00,080
winning Best Picture
in the Venice Film Festival.
558
00:23:00,412 --> 00:23:02,892
They hope to recapture
that magic here in New York
559
00:23:02,981 --> 00:23:05,655
as they round out the cast
with Audrey's sun, Sean Ferrer,
560
00:23:05,784 --> 00:23:07,388
and Bogdanovich's daughters,
561
00:23:07,519 --> 00:23:10,398
as well as George Morfogen,
Colleen Camp,
562
00:23:10,522 --> 00:23:13,696
model Patti Hansen, and Playmate
of the Year, Dorothy Stratten.
563
00:23:13,825 --> 00:23:15,964
Well, Peter,
good luck in the Big Apple.
564
00:23:16,094 --> 00:23:18,597
[music playing]
565
00:23:50,896 --> 00:23:55,538
TARANTINO: There was a real
breeziness about the film that...
566
00:23:55,634 --> 00:23:59,946
On one hand, it made it
not look American at all.
567
00:24:00,071 --> 00:24:03,484
It brought to mind, um,
568
00:24:03,608 --> 00:24:06,088
movies that would
take place in Paris.
569
00:24:06,211 --> 00:24:09,021
Bogdanovich made
that summer in New York
570
00:24:09,147 --> 00:24:12,822
seem like Paris
at its most magical
571
00:24:12,951 --> 00:24:14,760
in its most loved film.
572
00:24:14,886 --> 00:24:17,423
Even with all of Woody Allen's
love letters to New York,
573
00:24:17,522 --> 00:24:20,162
there was never a New York
quite as magical.
574
00:24:20,492 --> 00:24:21,994
All of a sudden,
it's a New York
575
00:24:22,127 --> 00:24:24,129
full of nice people
doing nice things,
576
00:24:24,463 --> 00:24:27,842
and there actually really is no
true melodrama in the movie.
577
00:24:27,933 --> 00:24:32,575
The people meet each other
and... and ultimately hook up.
578
00:24:32,704 --> 00:24:37,710
And there's just this
fizzy Coke can freshness
579
00:24:37,843 --> 00:24:41,586
and, uh, little bubbles
about the whole movie.
580
00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:44,593
"They All Laughed," it has
this sort of fantasy thing.
581
00:24:44,683 --> 00:24:47,129
You know, it moves among
all these characters.
582
00:24:47,219 --> 00:24:50,132
The story is
not very important.
583
00:24:50,255 --> 00:24:52,633
It's just a little thread to
keep them all interacting
584
00:24:52,757 --> 00:24:56,466
and keep these romances and these
kind of love affairs among them
585
00:24:56,561 --> 00:24:58,802
and its friendships
mixing around.
586
00:24:58,930 --> 00:25:02,002
I can see why he feels like
it's the most distilled version
587
00:25:02,133 --> 00:25:05,637
of what he's most
drawn to as a filmmaker.
588
00:25:05,770 --> 00:25:09,013
I'll tell you, this movie
is an interesting film.
589
00:25:09,140 --> 00:25:10,619
I... I recommend it highly.
590
00:25:10,709 --> 00:25:12,882
It's a different kind
of a detective story.
591
00:25:13,011 --> 00:25:16,083
Ben Gazzara and I...
and me, and...
592
00:25:16,214 --> 00:25:18,160
Me.
Me, John. I, me.
593
00:25:18,250 --> 00:25:19,558
No, you're not in it.
594
00:25:19,684 --> 00:25:21,061
No, I'm not in it.
I know.
595
00:25:21,186 --> 00:25:22,756
And this guy
named Blaine Novak,
596
00:25:22,854 --> 00:25:25,698
who is, uh, one of
the last of the hippies.
597
00:25:25,824 --> 00:25:28,031
The three of us
are detectives,
598
00:25:28,126 --> 00:25:30,163
and it's a different kind
of detective story,
599
00:25:30,262 --> 00:25:32,173
and we're following around
beautiful women.
600
00:25:32,297 --> 00:25:34,971
I like the beginning, where you
don't know what's gonna happen.
601
00:25:35,100 --> 00:25:38,809
It's very, um, tantalizing,
because you don't know...
602
00:25:38,937 --> 00:25:40,644
There's something
that's slightly unsavory
603
00:25:40,772 --> 00:25:42,979
or shadowy about
these people coming in...
604
00:25:43,108 --> 00:25:44,948
There's a lot of characters
who are introduced.
605
00:25:44,976 --> 00:25:46,136
Then, of course
the helicopter
606
00:25:46,311 --> 00:25:47,984
comes down.
Audrey Hepburn emerges.
607
00:25:48,113 --> 00:25:49,524
It's like a total
608
00:25:49,648 --> 00:25:52,652
movie star entrance
of this legendary actress.
609
00:25:52,751 --> 00:25:53,957
But she's... you know,
610
00:25:54,085 --> 00:25:56,929
almost filmed almost
like a... like a paparazzi.
611
00:25:57,055 --> 00:26:00,935
And we see
everyone's perspective.
612
00:26:01,026 --> 00:26:04,200
It's like everyone is in
everyone else's crosshairs.
613
00:26:04,296 --> 00:26:08,711
I think that's much harder
to do than it looks.
614
00:26:08,833 --> 00:26:11,541
To me, it looks effortless.
615
00:26:11,670 --> 00:26:14,116
A movie I saw that I loved
was "Rio Bravo,"
616
00:26:14,239 --> 00:26:17,015
which begins with a sequence
that runs about five minutes,
617
00:26:17,142 --> 00:26:21,215
sets up the entire story
without any word of dialogue.
618
00:26:21,346 --> 00:26:24,555
And originally the opening of "They
All Laughed" had no dialogue.
619
00:26:24,649 --> 00:26:26,151
You could see them talking,
but you don't hear it.
620
00:26:26,284 --> 00:26:28,264
Then later, after I
screened it a couple times,
621
00:26:28,587 --> 00:26:30,089
I realized I needed
to throw in a couple of words
622
00:26:30,188 --> 00:26:31,633
just here and there,
the, "Wife,"
623
00:26:31,756 --> 00:26:33,167
just a few words here
624
00:26:33,291 --> 00:26:36,101
just to give the audience
a little bit of a hint.
625
00:26:36,227 --> 00:26:38,605
My wife.
How do you do, Mrs. Niotes?
626
00:26:38,730 --> 00:26:40,607
I'm glad
you got my cable.
627
00:26:43,602 --> 00:26:44,774
It's one of those films
628
00:26:44,903 --> 00:26:47,110
that it's sort of a last
hurrah for the seventies.
629
00:26:47,205 --> 00:26:48,980
I know there's
this kind of battle
630
00:26:49,107 --> 00:26:51,849
between what film was kind of
the last film of the seventies.
631
00:26:51,943 --> 00:26:53,980
You know, I've heard
"Blowout" mentioned.
632
00:26:54,079 --> 00:26:55,922
Obviously,
"Heaven's Gate."
633
00:26:56,047 --> 00:26:58,152
But to me, "They All
Laughed" is kind of like
634
00:26:58,283 --> 00:27:00,283
the end of that very personal
period of filmmaking.
635
00:27:00,385 --> 00:27:02,922
The way Peter moves
the camera around
636
00:27:03,054 --> 00:27:08,265
and the kind of gentle approach
with blocking and staging
637
00:27:08,360 --> 00:27:11,341
that he's had over the
years, longer takes.
638
00:27:11,663 --> 00:27:12,869
There's
American reference,
639
00:27:12,964 --> 00:27:15,342
but the European one,
I think, is Renoir.
640
00:27:15,667 --> 00:27:17,613
I think that movie,
of all Peter's movies,
641
00:27:17,702 --> 00:27:22,082
has a kind of spirit that I
feel like I really connect to
642
00:27:22,207 --> 00:27:23,618
and I think about a lot,
643
00:27:23,708 --> 00:27:25,654
you know, when I'm
making my own movies.
644
00:27:25,777 --> 00:27:30,021
Modern movies are...
exist because of Peter.
645
00:27:30,115 --> 00:27:34,894
His OCD filmmaking where he's paying
attention to every little detail,
646
00:27:35,020 --> 00:27:36,761
we see that
in a Wes Anderson film,
647
00:27:36,855 --> 00:27:39,836
where he actually makes these
maps in these Criterion discs
648
00:27:39,958 --> 00:27:42,063
where you get to see
the whole universe
649
00:27:42,193 --> 00:27:43,638
and all the blueprints
of everything.
650
00:27:43,762 --> 00:27:45,482
There's something
so modern about that movie
651
00:27:45,697 --> 00:27:48,337
at the same time that it's in
touch with what came before it.
652
00:27:48,667 --> 00:27:50,707
You want to watch "They All
Laughed" multiple times.
653
00:27:50,802 --> 00:27:52,839
You want
to study the film.
654
00:27:52,971 --> 00:27:55,349
That's how I think it's influenced
Wes Anderson and Quentin Tarantino.
655
00:27:55,674 --> 00:27:58,086
It's... it's hyper cinema.
656
00:27:58,209 --> 00:27:59,916
Daddy, can I
have a pineapple?
657
00:28:00,011 --> 00:28:01,684
What are you gonna do with
a pineapple in school?
658
00:28:01,813 --> 00:28:02,853
Who's gonna cut it
for you?
659
00:28:02,881 --> 00:28:04,321
Your mother will
buy you a pineapple.
660
00:28:04,382 --> 00:28:05,382
How is your mother?
661
00:28:05,450 --> 00:28:06,656
She's okay.
She's okay.
662
00:28:06,785 --> 00:28:08,321
She threw a jar
of roses at Dad.
663
00:28:08,453 --> 00:28:09,864
I mean at Cliff.
Roses, huh?
664
00:28:09,988 --> 00:28:11,661
I don't know why
I called him Dad.
665
00:28:11,756 --> 00:28:12,916
I don't call him
that anymore.
666
00:28:12,991 --> 00:28:14,031
Don't worry about it, kid.
667
00:28:14,125 --> 00:28:15,832
Mummy likes for us
to call him Dad.
668
00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:17,200
No, she doesn't care.
669
00:28:17,295 --> 00:28:19,241
Don't worry about it.
This is kid shit.
670
00:28:19,364 --> 00:28:20,672
Call the guy
whatever you want.
671
00:28:20,799 --> 00:28:22,870
I mean, you see
a lot more of him than me.
672
00:28:23,001 --> 00:28:24,344
I'm the one who left.
673
00:28:24,469 --> 00:28:26,813
We're just investigating
my father's life.
674
00:28:26,938 --> 00:28:29,282
My mom is a whole 'nother
complicated issue,
675
00:28:29,407 --> 00:28:30,818
and she suffered,
676
00:28:30,942 --> 00:28:32,285
and she had
a lot of success,
677
00:28:32,410 --> 00:28:35,391
but with success comes
a lot of other things.
678
00:28:35,714 --> 00:28:40,959
Peter got a job in a summer stock
company, 1961, in Phoenicia, New York.
679
00:28:41,086 --> 00:28:43,999
Through that job,
he met Polly,
680
00:28:44,122 --> 00:28:47,399
and then they married
soon after in New York,
681
00:28:47,726 --> 00:28:50,002
and I was the best man,
682
00:28:50,128 --> 00:28:52,301
and there were only
three of us in the room.
683
00:28:52,430 --> 00:28:55,172
It was a very strong
professional relationship.
684
00:28:55,300 --> 00:28:58,144
She's a terrific designer
and a great aesthetic,
685
00:28:58,269 --> 00:28:59,976
and they worked
well together.
686
00:29:00,071 --> 00:29:02,847
But people change
and prefer other things
687
00:29:02,941 --> 00:29:04,113
or prefer other people.
688
00:29:04,242 --> 00:29:05,983
Sometimes we wish
you were together.
689
00:29:06,077 --> 00:29:08,318
But then we wouldn't have
met Christy or Alicia.
690
00:29:08,446 --> 00:29:11,984
I like how, with the two
lead male characters,
691
00:29:12,117 --> 00:29:13,790
with John Ritter
and Ben Gazzara, that,
692
00:29:13,918 --> 00:29:15,898
you know, there are big
parts of Peter Bogdanovich
693
00:29:16,020 --> 00:29:17,021
in both of those characters.
694
00:29:17,155 --> 00:29:18,395
I mean, physically,
you know,
695
00:29:18,523 --> 00:29:20,059
with the glasses
that John Ritter's wearing.
696
00:29:20,191 --> 00:29:23,263
I mean, there's
many obvious signs.
697
00:29:23,361 --> 00:29:25,170
But then, also,
the fact that the girls
698
00:29:25,296 --> 00:29:27,867
playing Ben Gazzara's daughters
are Peter's daughters.
699
00:29:27,966 --> 00:29:29,877
I don't think I could
have been that natural
700
00:29:30,001 --> 00:29:31,810
without my dad
in back of the camera.
701
00:29:31,936 --> 00:29:34,177
You know, I mean, it
was really... Yeah.
702
00:29:34,305 --> 00:29:35,875
I was talking to him,
really, you know.
703
00:29:35,974 --> 00:29:38,420
Yeah, we were playing ourselves,
too. I mean, really.
704
00:29:38,543 --> 00:29:41,046
Yeah.
Pretty much.
705
00:29:41,179 --> 00:29:41,779
[country music playing]
706
00:29:41,780 --> 00:29:43,054
[country music playing]
707
00:29:46,050 --> 00:29:46,926
Daddy!
708
00:29:47,051 --> 00:29:48,496
Daddy!
Daddy!
709
00:29:48,820 --> 00:29:50,322
Oh, you're smoking.
Johnny
710
00:29:50,455 --> 00:29:51,957
Jesus.
How'd that get there?
711
00:29:52,290 --> 00:29:54,031
I don't like to make
a personal movie
712
00:29:54,159 --> 00:29:57,072
and just make a personal movie
the way the French did.
713
00:29:57,195 --> 00:29:59,175
I like to cloak it
in a genre,
714
00:29:59,264 --> 00:30:01,210
so I thought maybe
it'd be interesting
715
00:30:01,332 --> 00:30:03,312
to have something
about detectives.
716
00:30:03,434 --> 00:30:07,041
And every character
that we wrote was based
717
00:30:07,172 --> 00:30:09,812
on somebody that was
going to play the part.
718
00:30:09,941 --> 00:30:12,820
Gazzara was based on Ben,
what I knew about Ben,
719
00:30:12,944 --> 00:30:14,218
and Audrey
was based on Audrey.
720
00:30:14,345 --> 00:30:15,323
Dorothy was
based on Dorothy.
721
00:30:15,446 --> 00:30:17,119
And I wrote the first draft.
722
00:30:17,248 --> 00:30:20,491
John Ritter's character
was... the whole draft
723
00:30:20,819 --> 00:30:23,493
was moping around
about losing a girlfriend.
724
00:30:23,822 --> 00:30:26,462
It was gonna have
a photograph of Cybill,
725
00:30:26,558 --> 00:30:28,469
uh, 'cause, you know,
we'd broken up.
726
00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:31,063
Then when I met Dorothy,
727
00:30:31,162 --> 00:30:34,336
I thought it'd be great
to have her in the picture.
728
00:30:34,465 --> 00:30:37,412
It struck me
that it would be great
729
00:30:37,535 --> 00:30:39,515
for John... John's character
730
00:30:39,838 --> 00:30:42,944
to have someone
that he falls for
731
00:30:43,074 --> 00:30:47,489
and sort of parallel with
Ben, who falls for Audrey,
732
00:30:47,612 --> 00:30:49,353
John would fall
for somebody,
733
00:30:49,447 --> 00:30:51,017
and... and the same idea,
734
00:30:51,149 --> 00:30:52,992
pursue her
in the line of work,
735
00:30:53,117 --> 00:30:56,030
but pursue her in his
personal life as well.
736
00:30:56,154 --> 00:30:57,292
The same two stories.
737
00:30:57,422 --> 00:30:58,702
It's just one
has a happy ending,
738
00:30:58,890 --> 00:31:00,050
and one has
an unhappy ending,
739
00:31:00,158 --> 00:31:01,364
and they're
very different.
740
00:31:01,459 --> 00:31:03,268
So the movie evolved,
741
00:31:03,628 --> 00:31:07,098
and I went to Los Angeles
and wrote it.
742
00:31:07,232 --> 00:31:09,303
I flew back
to Los Angeles partially
743
00:31:09,434 --> 00:31:12,108
to have just the peace
of sitting in my house.
744
00:31:12,203 --> 00:31:15,980
Another reason
was to see Dorothy.
745
00:31:16,107 --> 00:31:17,984
[music playing]
746
00:31:23,448 --> 00:31:25,860
♪ The sleepless nights ♪
747
00:31:25,950 --> 00:31:27,861
♪ The daily fights ♪
748
00:31:27,952 --> 00:31:31,525
♪ The quick toboggan
when you reach the heights ♪
749
00:31:31,656 --> 00:31:35,126
♪ I miss the kisses,
and I miss the bites ♪
750
00:31:35,260 --> 00:31:39,299
♪ I wish I were
in love again ♪
751
00:31:39,430 --> 00:31:41,000
♪ The broken dates ♪
752
00:31:41,132 --> 00:31:43,043
♪ The endless waits ♪
753
00:31:43,167 --> 00:31:47,411
♪ The lovely loving
and the hateful hates ♪
754
00:31:47,505 --> 00:31:49,485
♪ The conversation
with the flying plates... ♪
755
00:31:49,607 --> 00:31:50,881
I think one
of the reasons
756
00:31:51,009 --> 00:31:53,353
that there was
so much power
757
00:31:53,478 --> 00:31:58,552
behind Peter and Dorothy's,
you know, love affair
758
00:31:58,650 --> 00:32:04,566
is that Dorothy answered
everything that was missing,
759
00:32:04,656 --> 00:32:06,465
everything
that had been hurt,
760
00:32:06,591 --> 00:32:09,435
every part of him
that was insecure.
761
00:32:09,527 --> 00:32:13,304
It infused him
with energy and joy.
762
00:32:13,431 --> 00:32:15,035
It made
this very serious,
763
00:32:15,133 --> 00:32:17,238
sometimes serious director,
be very giggly
764
00:32:17,368 --> 00:32:20,372
and warm and effusive,
765
00:32:20,505 --> 00:32:25,113
so she had a really great
warm spot in his life.
766
00:32:25,243 --> 00:32:27,621
Well, I was in love with her
767
00:32:27,946 --> 00:32:31,052
the way that I never
have been before or since.
768
00:32:31,182 --> 00:32:34,322
It just seemed like
we had wings, you know.
769
00:32:34,419 --> 00:32:38,333
Every little thing
had power.
770
00:32:38,423 --> 00:32:42,098
I mean, we just sat and watched
some kids play baseball
771
00:32:42,226 --> 00:32:44,206
or walking through the park
772
00:32:44,295 --> 00:32:46,366
or going through
the carousels.
773
00:32:46,497 --> 00:32:49,376
When I would get upset
in a production meeting
774
00:32:49,500 --> 00:32:53,073
or she'd hear me starting to
raise my voice at something,
775
00:32:53,171 --> 00:32:55,674
she'd come over
and whisper in my ear,
776
00:32:56,007 --> 00:32:58,078
"Your heart, darling.
Your heart."
777
00:32:58,176 --> 00:33:01,282
Heh. Never failed
to knock me out.
778
00:33:01,412 --> 00:33:04,484
And I'd laugh, and I'd say,
"Yeah, you're right. Yeah."
779
00:33:04,582 --> 00:33:06,425
"Your heart, darling.
Your heart."
780
00:33:06,551 --> 00:33:09,293
It was so funny,
so sweet.
781
00:33:09,420 --> 00:33:13,129
But, you know, she seemed meek
and mild, but she wasn't.
782
00:33:13,257 --> 00:33:15,635
What do you notice
first about a man?
783
00:33:15,727 --> 00:33:17,172
Man's walking
down the street
784
00:33:17,295 --> 00:33:18,706
or you walk
into a room,
785
00:33:19,030 --> 00:33:20,634
what's the first thing
you notice?
786
00:33:20,765 --> 00:33:22,369
Stand up.
787
00:33:22,500 --> 00:33:24,173
[laughter]
788
00:33:24,302 --> 00:33:26,043
[whistling]
789
00:33:28,773 --> 00:33:29,979
Um...
790
00:33:30,108 --> 00:33:32,145
[laughs] His chest.
791
00:33:32,276 --> 00:33:34,187
I notice
a man's chest first.
792
00:33:34,312 --> 00:33:36,451
Mm-hmm. All right.
793
00:33:36,581 --> 00:33:37,582
Very nice. Very nice.
794
00:33:37,715 --> 00:33:39,058
Good. Good.
795
00:33:39,183 --> 00:33:41,663
[laughter]
796
00:33:41,786 --> 00:33:43,732
Feel so self-conscious
about my chest.
797
00:33:44,055 --> 00:33:44,726
[laughter]
798
00:33:45,056 --> 00:33:47,263
Later on, I said to her,
799
00:33:47,358 --> 00:33:49,702
"What made you tell
Johnny to stand up?"
800
00:33:50,028 --> 00:33:52,668
She said, "Well, I was
annoyed by his question.
801
00:33:52,764 --> 00:33:55,267
"It got... I got angry
about the question,
802
00:33:55,366 --> 00:33:57,676
so I said, 'Stand up."'
803
00:33:57,802 --> 00:34:03,218
At 20, I couldn't believe that
brilliance of that maneuver.
804
00:34:03,608 --> 00:34:05,048
Did you write Dorothy's
part for her?
805
00:34:05,143 --> 00:34:08,283
Oh, every word, you know.
Her whole relation...
806
00:34:08,379 --> 00:34:10,222
I knew she was unhappy
in her marriage,
807
00:34:10,348 --> 00:34:14,296
and I knew he was... husband was
a bit of a pain in the ass.
808
00:34:14,419 --> 00:34:16,023
That's all I knew.
809
00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:17,064
So he's kind of
that guy in the window.
810
00:34:17,188 --> 00:34:18,565
He's the guy
in the window
811
00:34:18,689 --> 00:34:20,498
who's kind of
giving her shit.
812
00:34:20,625 --> 00:34:23,697
For a movie like "They All
Laughed," what is the set like?
813
00:34:23,795 --> 00:34:26,639
For most of the scenes
on the streets of New York,
814
00:34:26,764 --> 00:34:29,574
where we were shooting
in the streets of the city,
815
00:34:29,667 --> 00:34:32,477
the crew was 20 blocks away
with the trucks,
816
00:34:32,603 --> 00:34:36,642
and we had a very small... maybe
five, six people with us.
817
00:34:36,774 --> 00:34:38,583
And we were
on the streets of New York
818
00:34:38,676 --> 00:34:42,590
with Audrey Hepburn, Ben Gazzara,
John Ritter, Dorothy Stratten.
819
00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:46,253
Uh, and we had
no money for extras,
820
00:34:46,384 --> 00:34:48,625
so we couldn't
close down the streets.
821
00:34:48,753 --> 00:34:50,460
We had
real people walking.
822
00:34:50,555 --> 00:34:53,502
So we couldn't have
trucks parked,
823
00:34:53,624 --> 00:34:58,801
so Audrey had no dressing
room, no trailers, nothing.
824
00:34:59,130 --> 00:35:01,770
We... We had a hotel room
in certain places,
825
00:35:02,100 --> 00:35:04,478
but otherwise, they'd
wait in stores for us,
826
00:35:04,602 --> 00:35:06,741
and we did everything
with signals and shit.
827
00:35:06,871 --> 00:35:08,991
Well, that seems to have found
its way into the movie,
828
00:35:09,140 --> 00:35:10,210
because everybody's
giving each other signals,
829
00:35:10,308 --> 00:35:11,753
and everybody's
hiding in stores
830
00:35:11,843 --> 00:35:13,686
and behind bushes
and things.
831
00:35:13,811 --> 00:35:15,851
Yes. It kind of goes with
the making of the picture.
832
00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:16,824
I'm not really
very hungry, Christy.
833
00:35:17,148 --> 00:35:18,218
Oh, you're not?
No.
834
00:35:18,349 --> 00:35:19,692
Would you like some new shoes?
New shoes?
835
00:35:19,817 --> 00:35:21,228
I said, "Would you
like some new shoes?"
836
00:35:21,319 --> 00:35:22,263
Those are pretty old,
aren't they?
837
00:35:22,386 --> 00:35:23,296
Well, thanks a lot,
Charles.
838
00:35:23,421 --> 00:35:24,491
These happen
to be an original
839
00:35:24,589 --> 00:35:26,227
thirties design
from the thirties.
840
00:35:26,357 --> 00:35:28,098
That's what I mean.
Wouldn't you like some new ones?
841
00:35:28,192 --> 00:35:29,792
Robby Muller was
at his peak at the time,
842
00:35:29,861 --> 00:35:31,101
a European
cinematographer,
843
00:35:31,229 --> 00:35:33,106
did wonderful work
with Wim Wenders,
844
00:35:33,231 --> 00:35:36,644
Great with light and natural,
you know, location shooting.
845
00:35:36,734 --> 00:35:39,806
He managed without
any real formality
846
00:35:40,138 --> 00:35:41,338
or pretentiousness
to his work,
847
00:35:41,439 --> 00:35:44,147
uh, give it
an artful veneer.
848
00:35:44,275 --> 00:35:47,848
The New York that it's set in
is so unadorned.
849
00:35:48,179 --> 00:35:50,785
I mean, it's beautiful.
It's... it's real New York,
850
00:35:50,882 --> 00:35:53,795
but then it's ingenious
in how this kind of fairy tale
851
00:35:53,918 --> 00:35:57,832
is going on
in a very real city.
852
00:35:58,156 --> 00:35:59,863
For the last few years
leading up to '81,
853
00:36:00,191 --> 00:36:02,831
with '81 being
the big year for this,
854
00:36:03,161 --> 00:36:05,163
the movies had been
demonizing New York,
855
00:36:05,296 --> 00:36:07,867
making New York look like
the most crime-ridden place
856
00:36:08,199 --> 00:36:09,542
and the most filthy place
857
00:36:09,634 --> 00:36:11,545
or the most dangerous
place ever.
858
00:36:11,636 --> 00:36:15,345
Can you dig it?
Can you dig it?
859
00:36:15,473 --> 00:36:17,453
[yelling]
860
00:36:17,575 --> 00:36:20,613
And in the midst
of all that,
861
00:36:20,745 --> 00:36:22,315
Peter does
"They All Laughed,"
862
00:36:22,446 --> 00:36:25,154
which is just this incredible
love letter to New York.
863
00:36:25,283 --> 00:36:26,762
In Peter Bogdanovich's
New York,
864
00:36:26,884 --> 00:36:29,888
you hop into a cab, and Patti
Hansen's the cabdriver.
865
00:36:30,221 --> 00:36:31,427
Patti Hanson, all right?
866
00:36:31,556 --> 00:36:33,900
And she just immediately
starts effing with you.
867
00:36:34,225 --> 00:36:35,636
You weird like your
friend with the beard?
868
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:37,603
Me? Oh, no, Sam.
Me, I'm a charmer.
869
00:36:37,728 --> 00:36:38,900
Get off up here.
870
00:36:39,230 --> 00:36:40,300
I'd like to.
871
00:36:40,398 --> 00:36:42,400
Oh, Sam.
872
00:36:44,569 --> 00:36:47,379
Being in love with Dorothy
is what inspired the picture,
873
00:36:47,505 --> 00:36:49,451
and I think that it has...
it has a feeling
874
00:36:49,540 --> 00:36:52,180
as of being in love,
the picture.
875
00:36:52,310 --> 00:36:54,654
It... it has
a certain sparkle to it
876
00:36:54,779 --> 00:36:58,317
that none
of my other pictures had.
877
00:36:58,449 --> 00:37:00,827
[slow jazz playing]
878
00:37:27,612 --> 00:37:29,353
MAN: It's one
of the movies
879
00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:32,620
that is most insistent about
people watching each other
880
00:37:32,750 --> 00:37:34,559
and the camera watching them.
881
00:37:34,685 --> 00:37:37,256
It encourages voyeurism
as much
882
00:37:37,388 --> 00:37:40,392
as the most obsessive
Hitchcock or De Palma film,
883
00:37:40,524 --> 00:37:42,902
but it's different
from them in that
884
00:37:43,327 --> 00:37:45,500
it's completely attuned to the
yearning of the characters.
885
00:37:45,596 --> 00:37:49,772
Scorsese, Coppola, Altman,
Friedkin, all those guys,
886
00:37:49,900 --> 00:37:52,244
they were pretty much
steeped into film history,
887
00:37:52,370 --> 00:37:54,850
and they had particular
attitudes towards it.
888
00:37:54,972 --> 00:37:57,919
Bogdanovich, by contrast,
is much more reverent.
889
00:37:58,042 --> 00:37:59,817
He's much more tender.
890
00:37:59,944 --> 00:38:02,515
He's much more romantic.
891
00:38:02,647 --> 00:38:06,459
But I just kept a card file
of every film I saw,
892
00:38:06,584 --> 00:38:11,658
and if I saw it again, I would write,
you know, what I thought of it.
893
00:38:11,756 --> 00:38:16,967
So I started in '52 and
every year through '70,
894
00:38:17,295 --> 00:38:20,276
and I stopped in '70,
so 19 years.
895
00:38:20,364 --> 00:38:23,402
♪ It's just ordinary story
about the way things go ♪
896
00:38:23,534 --> 00:38:25,480
♪ Around and around,
nobody knows ♪
897
00:38:25,603 --> 00:38:30,416
♪ But the highway
goes on forever... ♪
898
00:38:30,508 --> 00:38:32,545
Father.
Father!
899
00:38:32,643 --> 00:38:34,316
Here. Look at this. It's beautiful.
I want it.
900
00:38:34,445 --> 00:38:37,426
HASKELL: He has
great women in his movies,
901
00:38:37,515 --> 00:38:40,018
which is very unusual
for an American director.
902
00:38:40,351 --> 00:38:44,322
American directors are just
basically interested in other men
903
00:38:44,455 --> 00:38:48,426
and in men's pictures and in men's
intrigues and men's action.
904
00:38:48,559 --> 00:38:50,561
And it's not just
the woman at the center,
905
00:38:50,695 --> 00:38:53,437
but often the supporting
women are as interesting
906
00:38:53,564 --> 00:38:55,874
or more interesting
than the... than the lead.
907
00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:58,446
SHEPHERD: He has one of the
most wonderful attitudes
908
00:38:58,569 --> 00:39:01,607
towards women that I've
ever seen a man have.
909
00:39:01,739 --> 00:39:02,740
He loves and respects.
910
00:39:02,873 --> 00:39:04,318
He was one
of the few people
911
00:39:04,408 --> 00:39:07,912
that ever treated me as
an intellectual equal.
912
00:39:08,045 --> 00:39:08,345
There were four women in the
picture that I cared about a lot.
913
00:39:08,346 --> 00:39:11,793
There were four women in the
picture that I cared about a lot.
914
00:39:11,916 --> 00:39:15,921
Dorothy was the... She was
the muse for this film.
915
00:39:16,053 --> 00:39:19,466
Audrey, whom I didn't know well,
but I loved her movies,
916
00:39:19,557 --> 00:39:20,900
I loved her as an actress,
917
00:39:21,025 --> 00:39:23,335
and I came to love her
as a person.
918
00:39:23,461 --> 00:39:26,738
And Patti Hansen and I,
had a little romance with her.
919
00:39:26,831 --> 00:39:29,869
It didn't end
in an unfriendly way.
920
00:39:29,967 --> 00:39:31,776
It's just we weren't
right for each other.
921
00:39:31,902 --> 00:39:33,779
You ought to be an actress
or a model or something.
922
00:39:33,904 --> 00:39:35,008
You're gorgeous.
Thanks.
923
00:39:35,106 --> 00:39:36,881
I used to do
a little modeling.
924
00:39:37,007 --> 00:39:38,418
It's a pain
in the ass, you know.
925
00:39:38,542 --> 00:39:39,816
Well, it's all
a pain in the ass, honey,
926
00:39:39,944 --> 00:39:40,945
unless you're
in love, of course.
927
00:39:41,078 --> 00:39:42,352
And that's
a pain in the ass.
928
00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:43,686
The biggest!
Right.
929
00:39:43,814 --> 00:39:46,488
Colleen, whom I had a long
relationship with her,
930
00:39:46,617 --> 00:39:47,823
a complicated relationship
with her.
931
00:39:47,952 --> 00:39:48,828
I liked her very much.
932
00:39:48,953 --> 00:39:50,489
I loved her, actually,
933
00:39:50,588 --> 00:39:51,896
wrote the part for her.
934
00:39:51,989 --> 00:39:54,435
Colleen was at my dad's
house quite a bit,
935
00:39:54,558 --> 00:39:56,697
but Colleen was
a good friend, too,
936
00:39:56,827 --> 00:39:58,966
and good with us
and just funny.
937
00:39:59,096 --> 00:40:00,905
Christy's so funny.
I like her.
938
00:40:00,998 --> 00:40:03,035
I like Alicia.
I like Alicia, too.
939
00:40:03,134 --> 00:40:04,807
I didn't say
I didn't like her.
940
00:40:04,935 --> 00:40:05,936
You like Christy better.
941
00:40:06,070 --> 00:40:07,811
No, I don't.
I like them both.
942
00:40:07,938 --> 00:40:09,618
Sometimes I feel sorry
for Christy, though.
943
00:40:09,707 --> 00:40:10,707
Why is that, angel?
944
00:40:10,808 --> 00:40:11,684
I don't know.
945
00:40:11,809 --> 00:40:12,913
Christy is funny, Daddy.
946
00:40:13,010 --> 00:40:14,512
Christy's in love
with you, Daddy.
947
00:40:14,612 --> 00:40:15,852
Yeah, well,
I love her, too.
948
00:40:15,980 --> 00:40:17,391
But you're not
in love with her.
949
00:40:17,515 --> 00:40:18,926
What the hell
do you know about it?
950
00:40:19,016 --> 00:40:20,086
Women's intuition.
951
00:40:20,418 --> 00:40:21,089
It's women's
intuition, Daddy.
952
00:40:21,419 --> 00:40:22,921
Will you
cut that out?
953
00:40:23,053 --> 00:40:27,092
Instead of having to imagine
somebody that I was talking about,
954
00:40:27,425 --> 00:40:29,530
Christy is Colleen
in the movie,
955
00:40:29,627 --> 00:40:33,097
but Colleen was a part
of our family at that point.
956
00:40:33,431 --> 00:40:35,707
CAMP: We'd had a fight over
something kind of silly,
957
00:40:35,833 --> 00:40:38,871
and he says, "I've just written
you this huge part in a movie,"
958
00:40:39,003 --> 00:40:41,540
and we were not remotely dating
when this movie started.
959
00:40:41,639 --> 00:40:43,550
It had been
like a year before.
960
00:40:43,674 --> 00:40:45,950
And I said, "Well, I don't care
if you wrote me the part.
961
00:40:46,076 --> 00:40:47,156
It's just
not gonna happen."
962
00:40:47,211 --> 00:40:48,588
I said,
"You're gonna do this.
963
00:40:48,712 --> 00:40:50,453
"It's a great part.
I wrote it for you.
964
00:40:50,581 --> 00:40:52,618
Don't be silly."
So of course she did it.
965
00:40:52,750 --> 00:40:54,423
I think Colleen Camp
is just terrific,
966
00:40:54,518 --> 00:40:57,089
and then she reminds of some
earlier Hollywood actress,
967
00:40:57,188 --> 00:41:00,726
that kind of fast-talking,
the slightly ditzy quality.
968
00:41:00,858 --> 00:41:02,963
She had a little bit of Lombard,
a little bit of Jean Arthur,
969
00:41:03,093 --> 00:41:05,095
even a little bit of Debbie
Reynolds in her rhythm.
970
00:41:05,196 --> 00:41:06,869
Why don't I give you
a massage, Charles?
971
00:41:06,997 --> 00:41:08,635
Why don't I give you
a touch assist?
972
00:41:08,766 --> 00:41:09,766
A what?
A touch assist.
973
00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:10,972
A touch assist.
974
00:41:11,101 --> 00:41:12,705
It'll relieve all
your pressure, Charles.
975
00:41:12,803 --> 00:41:14,612
You'll feel like
a cloud in pants.
976
00:41:14,738 --> 00:41:16,479
In terms of the dialogue,
what was so great
977
00:41:16,607 --> 00:41:19,144
is that Peter had
this Howard Hawks,
978
00:41:19,477 --> 00:41:22,981
Preston Sturges kind of
overlapping dialogue,
979
00:41:23,080 --> 00:41:24,991
and that's what was
so interesting,
980
00:41:25,115 --> 00:41:27,595
because, you know,
as my dad said,
981
00:41:27,718 --> 00:41:30,164
"I'm a woman of
a few thousand words,"
982
00:41:30,488 --> 00:41:33,196
and I actually
speak them very quickly.
983
00:41:33,524 --> 00:41:35,764
Good morning, Amy. You're
looking very well this morning.
984
00:41:35,826 --> 00:41:36,896
Why, thank you, Christy.
Very well.
985
00:41:37,027 --> 00:41:38,506
Thank you, Christy.
986
00:41:38,629 --> 00:41:40,006
Where's Mr. Russo's
desk, Amy? Do you know?
987
00:41:40,130 --> 00:41:41,170
Right over there, Christy,
988
00:41:41,265 --> 00:41:43,472
not too far
from Mr. Russo himself.
989
00:41:43,601 --> 00:41:44,807
Thank you, Amy.
990
00:41:44,935 --> 00:41:47,472
I can see you're all
working very hard today.
991
00:41:47,571 --> 00:41:48,777
Good morning, Christy.
How are you?
992
00:41:48,906 --> 00:41:50,214
Good morning, Judas.
993
00:41:50,541 --> 00:41:52,782
I have a few things here
that belong to Mr. Russo,
994
00:41:52,910 --> 00:41:54,230
and I'm sure he'll
be needing them
995
00:41:54,278 --> 00:41:55,655
a lot more
than I will.
996
00:41:55,946 --> 00:41:56,890
Colleen Camp
is just a hoot,
997
00:41:56,981 --> 00:41:58,756
and the way she is
in "They All Laughed"
998
00:41:58,883 --> 00:42:00,521
is exactly the way
she is in real life,
999
00:42:00,651 --> 00:42:03,188
the way she talks,
and her commanding,
1000
00:42:03,521 --> 00:42:05,091
you know,
bubbly personality
1001
00:42:05,222 --> 00:42:08,567
and verbal, uh, aspect is
perfectly represented.
1002
00:42:08,692 --> 00:42:12,834
Just to have anybody in... like that
in your life when you're young...
1003
00:42:12,963 --> 00:42:14,943
She's just funny,
you know, and sweet.
1004
00:42:15,065 --> 00:42:16,942
I love Peter
and his family, and,
1005
00:42:17,067 --> 00:42:19,911
you know, we've been really
close friends since 1975.
1006
00:42:20,037 --> 00:42:22,176
Why, look at those
beautiful shoes, Harold.
1007
00:42:22,306 --> 00:42:24,047
Aren't those nice shoes?
1008
00:42:24,141 --> 00:42:26,644
[indistinct chatter]
1009
00:42:26,744 --> 00:42:27,916
Can I help you?
1010
00:42:28,012 --> 00:42:30,049
We'd like to see
some of the new shoes.
1011
00:42:30,147 --> 00:42:32,525
Yes. Well, we don't sell
used ones here, sir.
1012
00:42:32,650 --> 00:42:33,526
Oh, that's good.
1013
00:42:33,651 --> 00:42:34,994
This way.
1014
00:42:35,119 --> 00:42:37,121
Hmm?
1015
00:42:37,254 --> 00:42:39,791
Oh, excuse me.
I'm terribly...
1016
00:42:39,924 --> 00:42:42,234
Oh. Sorry.
1017
00:42:43,994 --> 00:42:46,804
The adherence
to Hollywood archetypes
1018
00:42:46,897 --> 00:42:49,207
and Hollywood filmmaking,
1019
00:42:49,300 --> 00:42:53,146
it's just injected with
a very personalized element,
1020
00:42:53,270 --> 00:42:57,946
represented by casting
friends and family members.
1021
00:42:58,075 --> 00:43:00,146
His real secretary,
Linda MacEwen,
1022
00:43:00,277 --> 00:43:03,087
plays the secretary
of Leon Leondopolous.
1023
00:43:03,213 --> 00:43:05,693
Certainly, I was involved
with doing his notes
1024
00:43:05,816 --> 00:43:08,695
when he was rewriting, when
he was writing the script.
1025
00:43:08,786 --> 00:43:10,629
And, of course,
I was thrilled,
1026
00:43:10,754 --> 00:43:13,030
uh, to get to work with him
on that side of the camera.
1027
00:43:13,157 --> 00:43:15,603
A friend, distributor,
Blaine Novak,
1028
00:43:15,726 --> 00:43:18,036
is thrown into the picture
and is brilliant.
1029
00:43:18,162 --> 00:43:20,142
You would think this
is one of the premier
1030
00:43:20,264 --> 00:43:23,609
comic supporting actors
of the seventies.
1031
00:43:23,734 --> 00:43:25,645
So where'd you
pick these two up?
1032
00:43:25,769 --> 00:43:26,839
BOTH: We're sisters.
1033
00:43:26,937 --> 00:43:27,847
They're my sisters.
1034
00:43:27,938 --> 00:43:29,246
They're his sisters.
1035
00:43:31,875 --> 00:43:34,151
I really fell right
into that one, didn't I?
1036
00:43:34,278 --> 00:43:36,121
Audrey in the movie
comes across,
1037
00:43:36,246 --> 00:43:37,326
in my opinion,
like an icon,
1038
00:43:37,615 --> 00:43:40,323
her own clothes,
the way she moved,
1039
00:43:40,651 --> 00:43:44,155
the way she was, because Peter
wrote the part for her.
1040
00:43:44,288 --> 00:43:46,029
I said, "Audrey, you
gotta do the picture,
1041
00:43:46,156 --> 00:43:48,261
because
I wrote it for you."
1042
00:43:48,392 --> 00:43:50,269
"Oh, Peter,
don't say that,
1043
00:43:50,394 --> 00:43:53,204
because then if I don't do
it, I'll feel so terrible."
1044
00:43:53,330 --> 00:43:54,775
You know,
she told me once
1045
00:43:54,898 --> 00:43:56,605
she didn't think she
was a good actress.
1046
00:43:56,734 --> 00:43:58,179
I said...[ laughs]
1047
00:43:58,302 --> 00:44:01,749
I said, "Listen, I'm gonna
run all your films for you
1048
00:44:01,872 --> 00:44:04,011
"and show you more
of a moment
1049
00:44:04,141 --> 00:44:06,883
"what any actress
would give their life,
1050
00:44:07,011 --> 00:44:09,150
"their soul,
their-anything
1051
00:44:09,279 --> 00:44:11,623
"to be able to do what
you do on the screen.
1052
00:44:11,749 --> 00:44:14,628
"Are you kidding me?
You have greatness.
1053
00:44:14,718 --> 00:44:16,163
"You light up
the screen.
1054
00:44:16,253 --> 00:44:18,893
"Your... Your smile
on the screen
1055
00:44:19,023 --> 00:44:21,401
is like a thousand
searchlights."
1056
00:44:25,396 --> 00:44:27,808
RICHEY: Gazzara's
eyes are so soulful.
1057
00:44:27,931 --> 00:44:29,911
I mean, there's
just... there's, like,
1058
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:31,911
so much poetry
in his eyes
1059
00:44:32,036 --> 00:44:33,676
in the way that he looks
at Audrey Hepburn
1060
00:44:33,804 --> 00:44:35,647
and the way that he
sells it on the screen,
1061
00:44:35,773 --> 00:44:37,650
and I keep...
keep flashing back
1062
00:44:37,775 --> 00:44:40,051
to the last times that he
sees her in the movie,
1063
00:44:40,144 --> 00:44:41,987
when she's taking off
in that helicopter,
1064
00:44:42,112 --> 00:44:43,716
which is just
one of the most
1065
00:44:43,847 --> 00:44:45,258
kind of heartbreaking
shots ever.
1066
00:44:45,382 --> 00:44:46,952
I mean, you can
really see this guy
1067
00:44:47,084 --> 00:44:49,325
is one of the great
American actors.
1068
00:44:49,453 --> 00:44:51,797
He has that kind
of world-weariness
1069
00:44:51,889 --> 00:44:54,199
that you don't usually see
in American actors,
1070
00:44:54,324 --> 00:44:56,930
a kind of Mastroianni
almost quality, I think.
1071
00:44:57,027 --> 00:44:59,371
And that sort of
mural ambiguity
1072
00:44:59,697 --> 00:45:01,074
and the sexy past.
1073
00:45:01,198 --> 00:45:03,109
You know, you don't
have to spell it out.
1074
00:45:03,233 --> 00:45:05,736
You just know that he's
had a lot of women, and...
1075
00:45:05,869 --> 00:45:08,850
Oh, yeah. He has his
very expressive eyes,
1076
00:45:08,972 --> 00:45:13,216
and he's always been one
of my favorite actors.
1077
00:45:13,310 --> 00:45:15,119
We knew Ben
from "Saint Jack,"
1078
00:45:15,245 --> 00:45:18,852
and he gave us
our first cigar.
1079
00:45:18,982 --> 00:45:21,087
Yeah. We smoked a cigar
on "Saint Jack."
1080
00:45:21,218 --> 00:45:22,959
When we were 7 and 10.
1081
00:45:23,087 --> 00:45:24,087
10 or something.
1082
00:45:24,154 --> 00:45:25,997
Both got viciously ill.
Yeah.
1083
00:45:26,123 --> 00:45:27,898
'Cause we wanted
to try the cigar,
1084
00:45:28,025 --> 00:45:30,164
and Peter would
always say no, Dad.
1085
00:45:30,294 --> 00:45:32,706
Then he's like,
"Let the kids try a cigar,"
1086
00:45:32,796 --> 00:45:34,742
and we did...
and it was in Singapore,
1087
00:45:34,865 --> 00:45:36,902
and we both got
pretty sick the next day.
1088
00:45:37,034 --> 00:45:38,240
I don't think
that night.
1089
00:45:38,368 --> 00:45:39,368
My mother never forgot.
1090
00:45:39,436 --> 00:45:40,436
Yeah, never forgot.
1091
00:45:40,504 --> 00:45:42,739
I've never
told anybody this.
1092
00:45:42,740 --> 00:45:42,774
I've never
told anybody this.
1093
00:45:42,906 --> 00:45:45,045
I did "They All Laughed"
1094
00:45:45,175 --> 00:45:50,989
in the middle of
a clinical depression.
1095
00:45:51,115 --> 00:45:54,858
I was
in a deep depression
1096
00:45:54,952 --> 00:45:59,731
in the making of every
inch of that film.
1097
00:45:59,857 --> 00:46:02,064
You know that?
1098
00:46:02,192 --> 00:46:04,433
I'll tell you,
I've had cancer.
1099
00:46:04,762 --> 00:46:06,139
I prefer cancer.
1100
00:46:06,230 --> 00:46:08,141
With cancer, you
fight to get well.
1101
00:46:08,265 --> 00:46:10,745
With depression,
you can't fight.
1102
00:46:10,868 --> 00:46:12,404
You can't
even fight.
1103
00:46:12,503 --> 00:46:13,880
If I were
another director...
1104
00:46:13,971 --> 00:46:16,076
Peter Bogdanovich,
I would have fired me.
1105
00:46:16,206 --> 00:46:18,208
Another director would
have said, "Go home."
1106
00:46:18,342 --> 00:46:21,414
But somehow,
I was prepared.
1107
00:46:21,512 --> 00:46:23,890
I never
held anything up.
1108
00:46:24,014 --> 00:46:25,755
My work was so easy.
1109
00:46:25,849 --> 00:46:32,198
I just went through it
moment by moment.
1110
00:46:32,322 --> 00:46:34,063
I'm not saying.
1111
00:46:34,191 --> 00:46:36,967
I don't think she's saying...
You're always watching us.
1112
00:46:37,094 --> 00:46:38,801
Are you saying that you
don't trust me
1113
00:46:38,929 --> 00:46:40,772
to take care
of these three midgets?
1114
00:46:40,898 --> 00:46:41,938
No, I'm saying
I don't know
1115
00:46:42,065 --> 00:46:43,169
who's going to
take care of me.
1116
00:46:43,267 --> 00:46:44,267
John will.
1117
00:46:44,368 --> 00:46:45,506
That's what
I'm afraid of.
1118
00:46:45,836 --> 00:46:47,247
You're not
making sense, Mother.
1119
00:46:47,371 --> 00:46:50,079
I remember one time
Peter actually sent me
1120
00:46:50,207 --> 00:46:52,778
and the two girls to
see a Broadway show.
1121
00:46:52,876 --> 00:46:54,446
And he got us a car,
1122
00:46:54,578 --> 00:46:56,956
and one of the adults took us.
I can't remember who.
1123
00:46:57,080 --> 00:46:59,959
And I went to their room at
the Plaza to pick them up,
1124
00:47:00,083 --> 00:47:04,498
and Dorothy walked in
in a bikini.
1125
00:47:04,822 --> 00:47:06,358
And you gotta remember
Dorothy at this point
1126
00:47:06,490 --> 00:47:08,333
was, you know,
Playmate of the Year.
1127
00:47:08,425 --> 00:47:10,803
So I was just like...
1128
00:47:10,894 --> 00:47:12,134
She walked in.
She went, "Hey, Glenn."
1129
00:47:12,262 --> 00:47:13,332
I'm like,
"Hey, Dorothy,"
1130
00:47:13,430 --> 00:47:15,103
like that,
and she walked out.
1131
00:47:15,232 --> 00:47:18,076
And all I could think was, "I
have so many straight friends
1132
00:47:18,202 --> 00:47:21,012
that would fucking love
this moment!" [laughs]
1133
00:47:21,138 --> 00:47:24,551
'Cause Dorothy was more
than stunning in person.
1134
00:47:24,875 --> 00:47:26,946
I mean, you think she looks
beautiful in this movie?
1135
00:47:27,044 --> 00:47:32,392
Honestly, Dorothy in
real life was angelic.
1136
00:47:32,516 --> 00:47:34,996
Dorothy was already
a mother to her sister,
1137
00:47:35,118 --> 00:47:37,223
but it wasn't even
that her sister was around.
1138
00:47:37,321 --> 00:47:38,321
It was just this nature.
1139
00:47:38,388 --> 00:47:40,868
Like there
would be adults,
1140
00:47:40,991 --> 00:47:43,301
and all of them
probably big players
1141
00:47:43,427 --> 00:47:44,963
in the movie business
at that time
1142
00:47:45,062 --> 00:47:46,507
at the Plaza Hotel
in New York,
1143
00:47:46,630 --> 00:47:49,167
and she would, like, be on
the floor with us coloring.
1144
00:47:49,299 --> 00:47:51,540
In a way very much
like my mother,
1145
00:47:51,869 --> 00:47:55,009
she was not aware,
1146
00:47:55,138 --> 00:47:59,314
nor did she really
value her looks
1147
00:47:59,443 --> 00:48:01,013
as being something
unusual or special.
1148
00:48:01,144 --> 00:48:02,589
I mean,
that's who she was.
1149
00:48:02,913 --> 00:48:05,018
There wasn't really a bad bone
in that woman's body.
1150
00:48:05,148 --> 00:48:06,548
And I don't know
how she ended up...
1151
00:48:06,650 --> 00:48:09,256
I mean, we know how she
ended up posing for "Playboy,"
1152
00:48:09,386 --> 00:48:11,332
but that is
the most ridiculous...
1153
00:48:11,455 --> 00:48:13,401
Yeah. If you knew her...
scenario.
1154
00:48:13,490 --> 00:48:15,265
It was like, "What?"
Like, she was so...
1155
00:48:15,392 --> 00:48:17,531
I mean, it just goes
to show you you have...
1156
00:48:17,628 --> 00:48:19,869
She was modest.
She was so modest.
1157
00:48:19,963 --> 00:48:20,963
Modest.
Yeah.
1158
00:48:21,031 --> 00:48:22,442
You have
a certain image about...
1159
00:48:22,566 --> 00:48:24,477
Although she did skinny
dip couple times.
1160
00:48:24,601 --> 00:48:25,601
Really?
Yeah.
1161
00:48:25,636 --> 00:48:27,479
Well, it probably
was just us.
1162
00:48:27,604 --> 00:48:29,208
Yeah, no,
it was just us, yeah.
1163
00:48:43,420 --> 00:48:46,924
SCARPELLI: In the scene where
John would follow Dorothy
1164
00:48:47,057 --> 00:48:48,434
back to her apartment
1165
00:48:48,525 --> 00:48:50,562
and she would
have a, you know...
1166
00:48:50,661 --> 00:48:54,165
a fight with
this husband of hers,
1167
00:48:54,264 --> 00:48:57,108
I think, was very symbolic
of, you know,
1168
00:48:57,234 --> 00:48:59,043
what Dorothy
had been going through,
1169
00:48:59,136 --> 00:49:00,911
because everybody
on the set knew
1170
00:49:01,004 --> 00:49:02,483
that Peter and Dorothy were
definitely beginning a life together.
1171
00:49:02,606 --> 00:49:04,176
I mean,
there was no question.
1172
00:49:04,274 --> 00:49:06,311
They were ready to live the
rest of their lives together.
1173
00:49:06,443 --> 00:49:08,047
You could see it.
You could feel it.
1174
00:49:08,145 --> 00:49:11,058
I think she'd been in this
relationship long enough
1175
00:49:11,181 --> 00:49:14,060
and realized that it was
an abusive relationship,
1176
00:49:14,184 --> 00:49:16,926
yet he was
really the one
1177
00:49:17,054 --> 00:49:19,261
that brought her
to Hollywood
1178
00:49:19,389 --> 00:49:20,993
and helped her,
you know.
1179
00:49:21,124 --> 00:49:25,072
And at that age, you have a
tendency to excuse and adapt
1180
00:49:25,195 --> 00:49:27,505
and stay in situations
that may not be healthy,
1181
00:49:27,631 --> 00:49:30,134
because you feel, "Well,
maybe he deserves better,"
1182
00:49:30,267 --> 00:49:31,940
or, "I can't drop him now
that I'm successful,
1183
00:49:32,069 --> 00:49:33,548
because that's
not who I am."
1184
00:49:33,670 --> 00:49:36,480
And yet the wonderful relationship
with Peter developed.
1185
00:49:36,573 --> 00:49:38,610
Uh, they were very sweet
to each other.
1186
00:49:38,709 --> 00:49:40,586
[swing music playing]
1187
00:49:56,093 --> 00:49:58,437
But the thing about it
that's so wonderful
1188
00:49:58,562 --> 00:50:01,042
is it's a sort of
a distillation
1189
00:50:01,164 --> 00:50:03,405
of the whole idea
of "They All Laughed,"
1190
00:50:03,533 --> 00:50:06,377
which goes back to the
great screwball comedies
1191
00:50:06,470 --> 00:50:08,006
that Peter
reveres so much.
1192
00:50:08,138 --> 00:50:10,516
It's the men trying
to catch up with the women.
1193
00:50:10,640 --> 00:50:12,984
It's the guy
falling flat on his face
1194
00:50:13,110 --> 00:50:15,647
and being caught
by Dolores,
1195
00:50:15,779 --> 00:50:19,556
the girls being 2 steps or
10 steps ahead of the guys.
1196
00:50:32,796 --> 00:50:34,139
Are you okay?
1197
00:50:34,231 --> 00:50:36,609
I'm very well,
thank you. How are you?
1198
00:50:38,602 --> 00:50:42,550
Ritter and Dorothy,
that relationship...
1199
00:50:42,672 --> 00:50:45,744
I... I just couldn't
get over how important
1200
00:50:46,076 --> 00:50:49,683
John Ritter's performance
is to that movie,
1201
00:50:49,813 --> 00:50:53,192
because he's a farceur
without shtick.
1202
00:50:53,316 --> 00:51:00,291
The attraction for Dorothy is
so sweet, so lovely, so tender,
1203
00:51:00,390 --> 00:51:02,631
and how it affects
his ability to function,
1204
00:51:02,759 --> 00:51:05,205
how he becomes awkward.
Who, me?
1205
00:51:05,328 --> 00:51:07,888
Of course, Charles is like the
absent-minded professor, you know.
1206
00:51:08,098 --> 00:51:09,577
What? Who?
Charles.
1207
00:51:09,699 --> 00:51:10,575
This is Charles.
1208
00:51:10,700 --> 00:51:11,701
Charles,
this is Dolores.
1209
00:51:11,802 --> 00:51:14,305
Hello, Charles.
1210
00:51:14,404 --> 00:51:17,180
Nice to meet you,
Dolores.
1211
00:51:17,307 --> 00:51:19,651
And this is Jose,
Charles. Charles!
1212
00:51:21,178 --> 00:51:22,316
Hello. Who are you?
1213
00:51:22,412 --> 00:51:24,085
I'm Charles, Jose.
How are you?
1214
00:51:24,214 --> 00:51:25,716
I'm Jose.
Oh, good.
1215
00:51:25,816 --> 00:51:30,060
He was brilliant, and, uh,
he's so easy to work with.
1216
00:51:30,187 --> 00:51:32,793
I called him. I said, "Would you
like to play me in a movie?"
1217
00:51:33,123 --> 00:51:35,069
He said, "What time?
Where do I show up?"
1218
00:51:35,192 --> 00:51:37,194
He didn't even ask
to read the script.
1219
00:51:37,294 --> 00:51:39,240
And that's
the kind of guy he was.
1220
00:51:48,538 --> 00:51:51,747
I was listening to country
music to use in the picture,
1221
00:51:51,842 --> 00:51:55,221
and one of the albums I bought
was a Johnny Cash album,
1222
00:51:55,312 --> 00:51:57,121
a new one
called "Gone Girl,"
1223
00:51:57,247 --> 00:52:00,228
and on that album is
a very interesting song
1224
00:52:00,317 --> 00:52:02,263
called
a "Song For the Life."
1225
00:52:02,385 --> 00:52:03,762
The piano
is very virtuoso,
1226
00:52:03,854 --> 00:52:05,800
so I said,
"Who played the piano?"
1227
00:52:06,123 --> 00:52:07,568
And I looked it up.
1228
00:52:07,691 --> 00:52:12,106
Earl Poole Ball, unlikely
name, but there it is.
1229
00:52:12,195 --> 00:52:13,367
We flew Earl up,
1230
00:52:13,497 --> 00:52:16,239
got an upright piano
put into the Plaza Hotel.
1231
00:52:16,333 --> 00:52:17,710
I liked him a lot,
1232
00:52:17,834 --> 00:52:19,507
and I asked him
to be in the picture
1233
00:52:19,603 --> 00:52:21,173
and write a couple
of songs with me.
1234
00:52:21,304 --> 00:52:23,384
It was the first time I'd
ever been to New York City,
1235
00:52:23,507 --> 00:52:27,319
and I'd never been in a hotel
room that had a piano inside.
1236
00:52:27,444 --> 00:52:31,324
So... And he had books all
over the wall, lots of books.
1237
00:52:31,448 --> 00:52:33,257
Made me want
to have more books.
1238
00:52:33,383 --> 00:52:34,691
He had some music playing
1239
00:52:34,818 --> 00:52:36,593
that I was involved with
with Jo-El Sunnier.
1240
00:52:36,720 --> 00:52:38,256
He had
Jo-El's album playing.
1241
00:52:38,388 --> 00:52:40,527
It was like...
I felt like I'd come home.
1242
00:52:40,624 --> 00:52:42,797
I had this one song
I wanted to write
1243
00:52:42,926 --> 00:52:45,600
based on a card that
Dorothy had sent me,
1244
00:52:45,729 --> 00:52:47,470
called "One Day
Since Yesterday."
1245
00:52:47,597 --> 00:52:51,807
♪ What can you do
to stop the feelings? ♪
1246
00:52:51,902 --> 00:52:56,146
♪ Can you just crush 'em
in your hand? ♪
1247
00:52:56,273 --> 00:52:58,344
Before I left to go
back to New York,
1248
00:52:58,475 --> 00:53:00,284
I'd flown in to Los
Angeles to see Dorothy
1249
00:53:00,377 --> 00:53:02,288
and to work
on the script.
1250
00:53:02,412 --> 00:53:04,824
Dorothy and I went down
to Santa Monica Beach,
1251
00:53:04,948 --> 00:53:06,518
and we just
went for a walk.
1252
00:53:08,385 --> 00:53:13,198
♪ Like two lovers
in those stories ♪
1253
00:53:13,323 --> 00:53:16,896
♪ Walkin' slowly
hand in hand ♪
1254
00:53:17,227 --> 00:53:19,366
I think both of us
wanted to kiss.
1255
00:53:19,496 --> 00:53:21,305
It just didn't happen
for a long time,
1256
00:53:21,398 --> 00:53:23,878
and we just kept walking
and walking and walking.
1257
00:53:24,201 --> 00:53:25,578
It was a great walk.
1258
00:53:25,702 --> 00:53:30,776
And at one point,
we both stopped,
1259
00:53:30,907 --> 00:53:32,784
and just
the kiss happened.
1260
00:53:35,412 --> 00:53:37,915
And it was a...
1261
00:53:38,248 --> 00:53:39,727
It was a memorable kiss.
1262
00:53:39,816 --> 00:53:43,855
♪ Was it just one day
since yesterday... ♪
1263
00:53:43,987 --> 00:53:48,595
The next day, I had
to go back to New York,
1264
00:53:48,692 --> 00:53:52,936
and I... she found a card
of a girl in a dress
1265
00:53:53,263 --> 00:53:56,870
on a beach, jumping up
in the air joyously.
1266
00:53:56,967 --> 00:54:00,779
And inside, she'd written
"One day since yesterday."
1267
00:54:00,904 --> 00:54:05,751
♪ Was it just one day
since yesterday? ♪
1268
00:54:05,842 --> 00:54:14,489
♪ Will it all be again? ♪
1269
00:54:14,584 --> 00:54:15,824
[cheering]
1270
00:54:15,952 --> 00:54:17,397
Thank you!
1271
00:54:18,922 --> 00:54:19,255
He had a lot of it
already written,
1272
00:54:19,256 --> 00:54:21,236
He had a lot of it
already written,
1273
00:54:21,358 --> 00:54:22,701
a lot of the poetry going,
1274
00:54:22,826 --> 00:54:25,363
and it was just like, okay,
that flows really good,
1275
00:54:25,495 --> 00:54:27,771
so I... I worked
on a melody for it,
1276
00:54:27,864 --> 00:54:30,845
and in a couple or
three hours, we had a song.
1277
00:54:30,967 --> 00:54:34,244
Earl and I had recorded
it on a cassette.
1278
00:54:34,371 --> 00:54:36,817
When Dorothy came to New York
and we played it for her,
1279
00:54:36,940 --> 00:54:38,942
she was very touched.
1280
00:54:39,276 --> 00:54:41,847
I used to sing
all the time to girls
1281
00:54:41,978 --> 00:54:43,787
when I was...
when I was courting
1282
00:54:43,913 --> 00:54:47,383
or even when we'd already
established as a relationship.
1283
00:54:47,484 --> 00:54:48,519
I would sing
all the time.
1284
00:54:50,053 --> 00:54:52,397
And it came out
of the fact that,
1285
00:54:52,522 --> 00:54:55,435
in musicals that I liked,
like "Singing in the Rain"
1286
00:54:55,558 --> 00:54:58,300
or "On The Town"
1287
00:54:58,428 --> 00:55:01,739
or "Bandwagon" or...
1288
00:55:01,865 --> 00:55:02,969
you know, musicals,
1289
00:55:03,300 --> 00:55:05,007
people sang all the time
to each other.
1290
00:55:05,335 --> 00:55:06,541
I thought,
well, that's nice.
1291
00:55:06,670 --> 00:55:09,708
I'll just do
the same thing. Why not?
1292
00:55:09,839 --> 00:55:11,944
SHEPHERD: What was that one
he was always singing?
1293
00:55:12,042 --> 00:55:13,453
Um...
1294
00:55:13,576 --> 00:55:17,956
♪ Fools rush in,
so here am I ♪
1295
00:55:18,048 --> 00:55:21,894
♪ Very glad
to be unhappy ♪
1296
00:55:22,018 --> 00:55:25,556
♪ I can't win,
so here I am ♪
1297
00:55:25,689 --> 00:55:30,297
♪ More than glad
to be unhappy ♪
1298
00:55:30,427 --> 00:55:32,338
♪ Unrequited love's
a bore ♪
1299
00:55:32,462 --> 00:55:34,567
♪ And I've got it
pretty bad ♪
1300
00:55:34,698 --> 00:55:36,905
♪ But for someone
you adore ♪
1301
00:55:37,033 --> 00:55:41,504
♪ It's a pleasure
to be sad ♪
1302
00:55:41,638 --> 00:55:46,383
And that song was
something that wooed me
1303
00:55:46,509 --> 00:55:49,581
and endeared him to me,
1304
00:55:49,679 --> 00:55:51,989
and we
sing it together still.
1305
00:55:53,683 --> 00:55:55,060
I had a neighbor
at the time.
1306
00:55:55,385 --> 00:55:56,455
I don't remember
her name.
1307
00:55:56,586 --> 00:55:58,065
She did
tarot readings.
1308
00:55:58,388 --> 00:56:00,595
And the card that
was in the middle,
1309
00:56:00,724 --> 00:56:02,328
that was the most
important card
1310
00:56:02,459 --> 00:56:05,463
was the tower
struck by lightning.
1311
00:56:05,562 --> 00:56:09,476
She literally turned
white as a sheet
1312
00:56:09,599 --> 00:56:11,943
when she saw
the spread.
1313
00:56:12,068 --> 00:56:14,070
And I looked at her,
and she says,
1314
00:56:14,404 --> 00:56:15,781
"Anna, I really...
I hate to tell you this.
1315
00:56:15,905 --> 00:56:18,044
"I'm terribly sorry
to tell you this,
1316
00:56:18,375 --> 00:56:19,877
"but something
devastating
1317
00:56:20,009 --> 00:56:21,750
is going to happen
to your brother."
1318
00:56:21,878 --> 00:56:23,551
And it was the middle
of the night.
1319
00:56:23,680 --> 00:56:27,093
And Linda, who was my girlfriend
at the time, called me
1320
00:56:27,417 --> 00:56:28,896
and said that something
terrible has happened.
1321
00:56:28,985 --> 00:56:30,760
It's the kind of thing
that you're told,
1322
00:56:30,854 --> 00:56:33,357
in the middle that you ask,
"Again, what did you just say?"
1323
00:56:33,456 --> 00:56:37,427
It was unreal,
totally shocking,
1324
00:56:37,560 --> 00:56:40,905
and I actually almost didn't
believe what I was hearing.
1325
00:56:41,030 --> 00:56:43,374
I remember
something was wrung,
1326
00:56:43,466 --> 00:56:44,843
because
every single phone
1327
00:56:44,968 --> 00:56:48,506
on his 6 to 12 phone
lines were lit up,
1328
00:56:48,605 --> 00:56:49,845
every single one.
1329
00:56:49,973 --> 00:56:52,078
And Peter was
nowhere to be found.
1330
00:56:52,409 --> 00:56:54,289
The radio was playing
quietly in the background,
1331
00:56:54,444 --> 00:56:57,391
and I all of a sudden
heard something
1332
00:56:57,514 --> 00:57:02,964
about, you know, dead,
Playmate, Dorothy Stratten,
1333
00:57:03,086 --> 00:57:04,531
and then murder.
1334
00:57:04,621 --> 00:57:06,601
I got the call
from Polly.
1335
00:57:06,723 --> 00:57:10,671
She said, "Anna, something
terrible has happened.
1336
00:57:10,760 --> 00:57:12,933
"Please go over
to the house
1337
00:57:13,029 --> 00:57:15,976
and see that the
children are all right."
1338
00:57:16,099 --> 00:57:17,544
"What happened?"
1339
00:57:17,634 --> 00:57:19,545
"Dorothy has
been murdered
1340
00:57:19,669 --> 00:57:22,479
"by her
estranged husband.
1341
00:57:22,605 --> 00:57:24,846
"Please go over
there immediately.
1342
00:57:24,974 --> 00:57:26,851
I'm terrified
for the children."
1343
00:57:26,976 --> 00:57:28,546
You hear things
on the news,
1344
00:57:28,678 --> 00:57:30,817
and, you know, you keep
on doing your business,
1345
00:57:30,914 --> 00:57:32,894
and it's just like
you just, you know...
1346
00:57:33,016 --> 00:57:36,020
You just don't realize that
this is somebody's family.
1347
00:57:36,152 --> 00:57:40,567
This is somebody's mother
or sister, you know.
1348
00:57:40,690 --> 00:57:43,728
You know, Peter was
hysterical pretty much,
1349
00:57:43,860 --> 00:57:46,431
and Blaine was trying
to control him
1350
00:57:46,563 --> 00:57:48,702
from literally not
getting in a car
1351
00:57:48,832 --> 00:57:51,005
and driving off the
side of a cliff.
1352
00:57:51,134 --> 00:57:52,841
I've never seen
my brother like that.
1353
00:57:52,969 --> 00:57:56,576
You hear that news,
and you try to imagine
1354
00:57:56,673 --> 00:58:01,452
the circumstances that could
have led to this. Why?
1355
00:58:01,578 --> 00:58:03,182
I'm in Positano,
in Italy,
1356
00:58:03,513 --> 00:58:04,583
and I see a headline.
1357
00:58:04,681 --> 00:58:07,719
"Dorothy Stratten
Murdered,"
1358
00:58:07,851 --> 00:58:10,923
and I pick it up,
and, uh, my God.
1359
00:58:11,054 --> 00:58:13,898
Peter and I,
unfortunately,
1360
00:58:14,023 --> 00:58:16,128
after
"They All Laughed,"
1361
00:58:16,226 --> 00:58:17,671
we were estranged.
1362
00:58:17,794 --> 00:58:19,068
I wasn't talking
to Peter,
1363
00:58:19,195 --> 00:58:20,799
he wasn't talking to me,
1364
00:58:20,930 --> 00:58:22,876
so I didn't pick up
a phone and call.
1365
00:58:22,999 --> 00:58:25,001
I did nothing
but feel terrible.
1366
00:58:25,134 --> 00:58:26,477
I don't know if you knew,
1367
00:58:26,569 --> 00:58:29,015
but they... somebody
told me and said,
1368
00:58:29,105 --> 00:58:32,177
"But you can't tell Louise
that her sister's dead."
1369
00:58:32,509 --> 00:58:35,046
So I had to pretend
for, like, half an hour...
1370
00:58:35,178 --> 00:58:37,886
I was just looking at her, going,
"Oh, my God, her sister's dead."
1371
00:58:37,981 --> 00:58:41,519
They told her that she was
taken on a modeling trip.
1372
00:58:41,651 --> 00:58:43,153
Yeah, and I thought,
"Why are they lying?"
1373
00:58:43,253 --> 00:58:44,493
Like, I was
so pissed off.
1374
00:58:44,621 --> 00:58:46,828
And then, afterwards,
I found out
1375
00:58:46,956 --> 00:58:48,833
that her mother wanted
to break her the news,
1376
00:58:48,958 --> 00:58:50,904
which, okay, totally
understandable now.
1377
00:58:50,994 --> 00:58:53,634
But as a child, the fact that I
had to pretend like I didn't...
1378
00:58:53,763 --> 00:58:55,003
I felt like I was
betraying her.
1379
00:58:55,031 --> 00:58:57,170
My mom chose
not to talk about it,
1380
00:58:57,300 --> 00:59:00,179
and the way that she
survived was to pretend
1381
00:59:00,303 --> 00:59:04,513
that, you know, she
didn't exist, I guess.
1382
00:59:04,607 --> 00:59:08,646
Um, and pictures
were taken down.
1383
00:59:08,745 --> 00:59:10,225
We were not allowed
to talk about her.
1384
00:59:10,280 --> 00:59:11,850
We weren't allowed
to bring up her name.
1385
00:59:11,981 --> 00:59:14,723
Dorothy was serious.
1386
00:59:14,851 --> 00:59:17,058
She was rather quiet
and thoughtful,
1387
00:59:17,186 --> 00:59:19,063
um, certainly kind.
1388
00:59:19,155 --> 00:59:20,190
Um...
1389
00:59:26,930 --> 00:59:29,206
Maybe we should stop
for a second.
1390
00:59:31,834 --> 00:59:34,940
I think he was trying
to get comfort from us,
1391
00:59:35,071 --> 00:59:36,675
but he couldn't even walk.
1392
00:59:36,773 --> 00:59:40,118
I just remember that he
wanted to come to us
1393
00:59:40,243 --> 00:59:42,120
and that he was crawling
on the flour.
1394
00:59:42,245 --> 00:59:43,952
At first, they told us
we couldn't see him,
1395
00:59:44,080 --> 00:59:45,150
and we were both like,
"We're going."
1396
00:59:45,281 --> 00:59:46,817
We're going upstairs
to see him.
1397
00:59:46,916 --> 00:59:50,830
And I know that... that he
was on, like, a daybed in...
1398
00:59:50,920 --> 00:59:52,729
like, not even
in his bedroom.
1399
00:59:52,855 --> 00:59:54,562
Because
he was with Dorothy.
1400
00:59:54,691 --> 00:59:56,728
Yeah, he was staying
with Dorothy in his bedroom,
1401
00:59:56,859 --> 00:59:59,703
so I think they moved him
into another room,
1402
00:59:59,796 --> 01:00:02,140
and I'm sure he hadn't slept.
1403
01:00:02,265 --> 01:00:04,905
[sighs]
1404
01:00:05,034 --> 01:00:07,241
Yeah, sorry.
1405
01:00:07,337 --> 01:00:08,714
Poor dad.
1406
01:00:08,838 --> 01:00:10,749
[woman vocalizing]
1407
01:00:32,195 --> 01:00:35,005
Everybody was trying to get him
to go back to work on the movie,
1408
01:00:35,131 --> 01:00:38,271
just... just jump
right back into working.
1409
01:00:38,401 --> 01:00:40,142
People were
pushing him to do...
1410
01:00:40,269 --> 01:00:42,078
At first, he was like,
"I can't do it."
1411
01:00:42,205 --> 01:00:44,014
And then I think he
got pushed into it.
1412
01:00:44,107 --> 01:00:45,882
And then he decided,
"Well, I should do it."
1413
01:00:45,975 --> 01:00:47,215
When she was killed,
1414
01:00:47,343 --> 01:00:48,947
the picture wasn't even
finished editing yet.
1415
01:00:49,078 --> 01:00:50,518
I remember thinking
this is not good.
1416
01:00:50,647 --> 01:00:51,921
No.
1417
01:00:52,048 --> 01:00:54,289
He should not be watching
dailies of Dorothy
1418
01:00:54,384 --> 01:00:56,159
over and over
and over and over.
1419
01:00:56,252 --> 01:00:58,698
I don't understand
how he even did it.
1420
01:00:58,821 --> 01:01:01,631
He couldn't sit around
doing nothing.
1421
01:01:01,724 --> 01:01:02,759
Yeah, that's true.
1422
01:01:02,892 --> 01:01:04,166
There was no way.
He... He had to work.
1423
01:01:04,260 --> 01:01:05,637
John was there a lot,
1424
01:01:05,762 --> 01:01:07,298
during a lot of those
screenings, John Ritter,
1425
01:01:07,430 --> 01:01:09,171
'cause my dad would just weep
through those screenings,
1426
01:01:09,298 --> 01:01:11,209
and it was just so hard.
1427
01:01:11,334 --> 01:01:13,940
Before
the film opened,
1428
01:01:14,070 --> 01:01:15,811
we did some looping
here in Burbank.
1429
01:01:15,938 --> 01:01:17,781
And he said,
"Put on reel five,"
1430
01:01:17,874 --> 01:01:19,080
which was
the final reel.
1431
01:01:19,208 --> 01:01:24,214
And I remember the scene
where John and Dorothy
1432
01:01:24,347 --> 01:01:25,917
kind of get
their glasses locked.
1433
01:01:26,049 --> 01:01:29,053
And as I was watching
that for the first time,
1434
01:01:29,152 --> 01:01:31,928
I just happened to turn
around to look at Peter.
1435
01:01:32,021 --> 01:01:33,830
I was maybe
14 years old,
1436
01:01:33,956 --> 01:01:36,960
but I will never forget
that look on his face
1437
01:01:37,093 --> 01:01:42,099
of such deep,
honest love
1438
01:01:42,231 --> 01:01:46,873
and grief and loss,
1439
01:01:47,003 --> 01:01:49,040
but love.
1440
01:01:51,474 --> 01:01:55,081
This line here,
this is your heart line.
1441
01:01:55,178 --> 01:01:58,091
It shows
you're very emotional.
1442
01:01:58,214 --> 01:02:00,216
Emotions are terrific.
1443
01:02:00,349 --> 01:02:03,353
Besides, nobody can help
how they feel.
1444
01:02:03,486 --> 01:02:05,693
Uh-uh.
Now here's a problem.
1445
01:02:05,822 --> 01:02:07,028
What's that?
1446
01:02:07,156 --> 01:02:08,863
You're married, right?
1447
01:02:08,991 --> 01:02:10,402
Right.
1448
01:02:10,727 --> 01:02:12,764
Well, that line's a little short.
It's weak.
1449
01:02:12,895 --> 01:02:14,375
But that's not
what I'm worried about.
1450
01:02:14,430 --> 01:02:15,704
No?
1451
01:02:15,798 --> 01:02:18,108
There's
a bad romance here.
1452
01:02:18,234 --> 01:02:19,736
Oh, really?
1453
01:02:19,869 --> 01:02:21,371
Very bad.
You see this line?
1454
01:02:21,471 --> 01:02:23,246
It goes nowhere.
1455
01:02:23,372 --> 01:02:26,785
Buy, that doesn't leave me
with much, does it?
1456
01:02:26,909 --> 01:02:29,253
Well, now,
I... I don't know.
1457
01:02:29,378 --> 01:02:32,257
There's... There's
something new right here.
1458
01:02:32,348 --> 01:02:34,021
It's very promising.
1459
01:02:34,150 --> 01:02:35,458
You see this line?
1460
01:02:35,785 --> 01:02:38,789
It goes on forever.
1461
01:02:38,921 --> 01:02:41,197
Maybe that's
my skating line.
1462
01:02:41,324 --> 01:02:43,270
Your skating line?
1463
01:02:43,359 --> 01:02:46,306
No, that's
your true passion line.
1464
01:02:46,429 --> 01:02:48,807
But you see, it's clear
of the marriage line.
1465
01:02:48,931 --> 01:02:51,275
It doesn't start till...
1466
01:02:51,400 --> 01:02:53,073
Are you
getting a divorce?
1467
01:02:53,202 --> 01:02:54,340
It's astonishing,
because, obviously,
1468
01:02:54,470 --> 01:02:55,778
the spirit
of the film
1469
01:02:55,905 --> 01:03:01,287
is very, uh, intoxicating
and romantic.
1470
01:03:01,377 --> 01:03:03,880
And you could say, well,
he made it to display...
1471
01:03:04,013 --> 01:03:05,185
or, you know, his
feelings about Dorothy
1472
01:03:05,314 --> 01:03:07,351
and how wonderful
she was and so on.
1473
01:03:07,483 --> 01:03:09,827
But still, there's nothing
about the way the film is made
1474
01:03:09,952 --> 01:03:13,024
that reflects the tragedy
that had taken place.
1475
01:03:13,122 --> 01:03:16,501
♪ These little town blues ♪
1476
01:03:16,826 --> 01:03:20,433
♪ Are melting away ♪
1477
01:03:20,530 --> 01:03:24,979
♪ I'll make
a brand-new start of it... ♪
1478
01:03:25,101 --> 01:03:26,910
The songs
that Sinatra supplied
1479
01:03:27,036 --> 01:03:29,778
from the "Trilogy" collection
that had just come out,
1480
01:03:29,906 --> 01:03:31,908
that was such
a huge hit at the time,
1481
01:03:32,008 --> 01:03:35,182
I can't imagine "They All
Laughed" without those songs.
1482
01:03:35,278 --> 01:03:37,849
And also the way that Bogdanovich
uses the music in the movie,
1483
01:03:37,980 --> 01:03:39,050
where it's not...
1484
01:03:39,182 --> 01:03:40,991
It doesn't have
a score, you know.
1485
01:03:41,117 --> 01:03:43,791
It's... it's people, they're
hearing it on the radio.
1486
01:03:43,886 --> 01:03:45,229
They're hearing it
in a club.
1487
01:03:45,354 --> 01:03:47,231
It's just part of
the sounds of the city.
1488
01:03:47,356 --> 01:03:49,097
I called them,
and I said I wanted to use
1489
01:03:49,225 --> 01:03:52,798
four songs from "Trilogy"
in the picture.
1490
01:03:52,895 --> 01:03:54,067
"New York, New York,"
1491
01:03:54,163 --> 01:03:56,074
which was playing
everywhere that summer...
1492
01:03:56,165 --> 01:03:57,371
spring and summer.
1493
01:03:57,500 --> 01:03:59,275
It was everywhere you'd go,
it was playing.
1494
01:03:59,402 --> 01:04:02,383
"More Than You Know,"
1495
01:04:02,505 --> 01:04:04,883
Uh, "You and Me,"
a song I loved,
1496
01:04:05,007 --> 01:04:07,510
and, uh, "They All Laughed,"
the title of the song.
1497
01:04:07,977 --> 01:04:09,388
I said, "We don't have
a lot of money, Frank,
1498
01:04:09,512 --> 01:04:11,082
"but I'd like to use
the four songs.
1499
01:04:11,214 --> 01:04:12,989
You think you
could get me a deal?"
1500
01:04:13,115 --> 01:04:14,555
He said,
"I'll get back to you, kid."
1501
01:04:14,617 --> 01:04:17,359
He calls me back
a few days later.
1502
01:04:17,453 --> 01:04:20,491
He gets me the whole
package, all four songs,
1503
01:04:20,590 --> 01:04:22,866
the publishing,
the sync license,
1504
01:04:22,992 --> 01:04:28,374
the, uh, performance rights,
everything, $5,000.
1505
01:04:28,464 --> 01:04:30,375
He said,
"Can you manage that?"
1506
01:04:30,466 --> 01:04:32,969
I said, "Jesus,
Frank, thank you."
1507
01:04:33,069 --> 01:04:34,844
That was a friend.
1508
01:04:36,405 --> 01:04:40,376
♪ They all laughed
at Christopher Columbus... ♪
1509
01:04:40,509 --> 01:04:43,319
We had a preview of the
picture down in Florida,
1510
01:04:43,446 --> 01:04:44,982
and it wasn't
a great preview.
1511
01:04:45,114 --> 01:04:46,559
It wasn't terrible,
1512
01:04:46,883 --> 01:04:49,003
but I didn't feel the audience
was completely with it.
1513
01:04:49,085 --> 01:04:51,395
There was
a... a great feeling
1514
01:04:51,520 --> 01:04:53,932
that, uh, Peter
was full of himself,
1515
01:04:54,056 --> 01:04:55,535
that he had
great hubris,
1516
01:04:55,625 --> 01:04:58,469
uh, that he... success
had gone to his head,
1517
01:04:58,594 --> 01:05:00,938
and, um, there was
a great feeling
1518
01:05:01,063 --> 01:05:03,407
of schadenfreude
about Peter,
1519
01:05:03,499 --> 01:05:07,072
that, you know, he had to be
brought back down to Earth.
1520
01:05:07,203 --> 01:05:09,149
Now, "They All Laughed"
came in the wake
1521
01:05:09,238 --> 01:05:12,014
of the tragedy of Dorothy
Stratten and so on.
1522
01:05:12,108 --> 01:05:15,055
That people would continue
their vicious attitude
1523
01:05:15,177 --> 01:05:17,487
toward Peter
even after that,
1524
01:05:17,613 --> 01:05:19,559
I think,
is embarrassing
1525
01:05:19,682 --> 01:05:21,559
and doesn't speak well
of these people,
1526
01:05:21,684 --> 01:05:23,960
um, but people
had it out for him.
1527
01:05:25,922 --> 01:05:30,564
♪ And they laughed
at me wanting you... ♪
1528
01:05:30,660 --> 01:05:32,435
Peter had problems
with "They All Laughed"
1529
01:05:32,561 --> 01:05:34,234
in the fact that
they didn't believe
1530
01:05:34,363 --> 01:05:35,933
in the film somehow,
and they were...
1531
01:05:36,065 --> 01:05:38,204
Fox was just gonna put it
out in a very small way.
1532
01:05:38,334 --> 01:05:41,941
Dorothy's murder
made me not trust anybody,
1533
01:05:42,071 --> 01:05:44,915
and in that time, I lost
my temper a few times.
1534
01:05:45,007 --> 01:05:47,248
I was difficult
to work with.
1535
01:05:47,376 --> 01:05:49,583
I was...
made snap decisions
1536
01:05:49,679 --> 01:05:52,182
and just wouldn't be
talked out of them,
1537
01:05:52,315 --> 01:05:55,091
and one of them was that
I would buy the film back
1538
01:05:55,217 --> 01:05:57,356
and distribute
the movie myself.
1539
01:05:57,486 --> 01:05:59,193
♪ Har har har ♪
1540
01:05:59,288 --> 01:06:04,067
♪ Who's got
the last laugh now? ♪
1541
01:06:07,263 --> 01:06:08,503
Big mistake.
1542
01:06:08,631 --> 01:06:10,508
[laughter from song]
1543
01:06:16,072 --> 01:06:18,382
Uh, buying back
the film,
1544
01:06:18,507 --> 01:06:21,113
when I first heard about
that, I thought, oh, God.
1545
01:06:21,243 --> 01:06:22,244
You know,
what's he doing?
1546
01:06:22,378 --> 01:06:23,516
Because how could
that work?
1547
01:06:23,646 --> 01:06:25,489
How is that
gonna work, ever?
1548
01:06:25,581 --> 01:06:29,358
I mortgaged my house,
which was not in mortgage.
1549
01:06:29,485 --> 01:06:31,021
I owned it outright.
1550
01:06:31,153 --> 01:06:34,100
I can understand him wanting
to keep his baby alive
1551
01:06:34,223 --> 01:06:36,499
and his tribute
to Dorothy alive somehow,
1552
01:06:36,625 --> 01:06:39,435
but an individual
doesn't have the power.
1553
01:06:39,562 --> 01:06:40,973
For a multitude
of reasons,
1554
01:06:41,063 --> 01:06:42,974
we all took
a hard stance.
1555
01:06:43,099 --> 01:06:45,272
The leader in that
was Blaine,
1556
01:06:45,401 --> 01:06:47,506
and that sort of broke
their relationship.
1557
01:06:47,636 --> 01:06:49,309
I remember the
sort of peak of it
1558
01:06:49,438 --> 01:06:51,111
was a screaming scene
in the parking lot
1559
01:06:51,207 --> 01:06:52,277
at the Bel-Air house.
1560
01:06:52,408 --> 01:06:53,488
Peter looked at me
and said,
1561
01:06:53,576 --> 01:06:55,317
"Well, how do you feel
about it, Sean?
1562
01:06:55,444 --> 01:06:56,444
Where do you stand?"
1563
01:06:56,545 --> 01:06:58,252
I was young.
It wasn't my place
1564
01:06:58,347 --> 01:07:01,055
to sort of jump up and
say here's my opinion.
1565
01:07:01,183 --> 01:07:02,662
But I think he knew
at that point
1566
01:07:02,752 --> 01:07:04,527
that we all felt
1567
01:07:04,653 --> 01:07:07,031
that we wanted to preserve
him and save him.
1568
01:07:07,156 --> 01:07:11,070
And I said to him, "Peter, the
artist doesn't have to do this."
1569
01:07:11,193 --> 01:07:15,005
Advice of that kind, you say
it once, and that's it.
1570
01:07:15,131 --> 01:07:17,133
I didn't say it
ever again.
1571
01:07:17,233 --> 01:07:19,679
On one hand, we're
trying to protect him.
1572
01:07:19,802 --> 01:07:21,577
We all loved the film,
1573
01:07:21,704 --> 01:07:26,278
but we don't want him to risk
a life's worth of savings,
1574
01:07:26,409 --> 01:07:28,320
of... of equity
in his home
1575
01:07:28,444 --> 01:07:31,152
at a time
when he's really trying
1576
01:07:31,280 --> 01:07:34,090
to prove to the world
that it's a great film,
1577
01:07:34,216 --> 01:07:36,423
that... And all of this
is exacerbated
1578
01:07:36,519 --> 01:07:39,693
by the terrible emotional
state that he's in.
1579
01:07:39,822 --> 01:07:42,564
BALL: It was just what he
needed to do at the time.
1580
01:07:42,691 --> 01:07:45,297
All this was in Dorothy's
memory in a way, I think.
1581
01:07:45,394 --> 01:07:49,069
The thing that they had together
was that film and those songs
1582
01:07:49,198 --> 01:07:51,200
and the music
from that film.
1583
01:07:51,333 --> 01:07:53,438
He spent a lot of money
doing that.
1584
01:07:53,569 --> 01:07:57,176
At that point, he had lost so much,
he wasn't worried about money.
1585
01:07:57,306 --> 01:07:59,377
[music playing]
1586
01:08:14,623 --> 01:08:16,193
There wasn't,
though, this idea
1587
01:08:16,325 --> 01:08:18,066
of the American
independent cinema
1588
01:08:18,194 --> 01:08:20,265
and independent
distributors
1589
01:08:20,396 --> 01:08:22,603
like... like Miramax
came to represent.
1590
01:08:22,731 --> 01:08:24,335
There were... There were
some, obviously,
1591
01:08:24,467 --> 01:08:26,276
in the mid-eighties
that kind of got going.
1592
01:08:26,402 --> 01:08:28,780
It was a little
too early for that.
1593
01:08:29,105 --> 01:08:30,675
You know, Roger Corman
had his company.
1594
01:08:30,806 --> 01:08:33,150
Cannon Films came along
and so on.
1595
01:08:33,275 --> 01:08:37,746
But there wasn't this thriving,
vibrant, independent scene yet.
1596
01:08:37,847 --> 01:08:41,761
But the idea behind Moon
Pictures was a great idea.
1597
01:08:41,884 --> 01:08:45,491
I mean, I find it as admirable
as Coppola with Zoetrope.
1598
01:08:45,588 --> 01:08:47,261
CAMP:
There was many things
1599
01:08:47,389 --> 01:08:50,427
that I wish could have
happened for the film,
1600
01:08:50,559 --> 01:08:53,768
because when Peter bought
the film back from Fox
1601
01:08:53,863 --> 01:08:57,436
and he did
his own release...
1602
01:08:57,566 --> 01:08:59,705
But you need
an infrastructure
1603
01:08:59,835 --> 01:09:02,111
to release,
you know, a movie
1604
01:09:02,204 --> 01:09:06,653
and a... and a song
or a soundtrack.
1605
01:09:06,775 --> 01:09:09,278
BALL: I'm on one side of
the single singing a song,
1606
01:09:09,411 --> 01:09:12,290
and Colleen's
on the other side, I think.
1607
01:09:12,414 --> 01:09:14,294
Peter did not want to sell
it to a record label.
1608
01:09:14,416 --> 01:09:17,556
He wanted to release his
own under Moon Records.
1609
01:09:17,686 --> 01:09:19,222
[music continues ]
1610
01:09:34,503 --> 01:09:38,178
I saw "They All Laughed"
its third weekend
1611
01:09:38,307 --> 01:09:40,719
in 1981 when it
opened in Los Angeles.
1612
01:09:40,843 --> 01:09:43,722
It played at the Laemmle Music
Hall, which is now three screens,
1613
01:09:43,846 --> 01:09:46,156
but back then,
it was one screen.
1614
01:09:46,248 --> 01:09:47,818
And so when
"They All Laughed" opened,
1615
01:09:47,917 --> 01:09:49,757
it opened exclusively
at the Laemmle Music Hall
1616
01:09:49,818 --> 01:09:53,163
for about at least a month,
if not a little bit more.
1617
01:09:53,289 --> 01:09:55,291
And it got great reviews.
1618
01:09:55,424 --> 01:09:57,563
So, literally,
it was like a line.
1619
01:09:57,660 --> 01:10:00,368
You know, it was lines all the way
outside with Lesley Ann Warren
1620
01:10:00,496 --> 01:10:01,839
and, you know,
all these like, you know,
1621
01:10:01,931 --> 01:10:02,931
notable people
of the day.
1622
01:10:03,199 --> 01:10:04,735
Beverly D'Angelo
or somebody,
1623
01:10:04,867 --> 01:10:07,177
you know, going to see...
going to see the film,
1624
01:10:07,269 --> 01:10:08,873
and... and it just killed.
1625
01:10:09,205 --> 01:10:10,878
It just played
like gangbusters.
1626
01:10:11,207 --> 01:10:14,313
I'd never quite seen something
exactly like that before.
1627
01:10:14,410 --> 01:10:18,449
Me being a really young man
in love with movies,
1628
01:10:18,581 --> 01:10:19,889
in love with
the idea of movies,
1629
01:10:20,216 --> 01:10:21,376
never had
a girlfriend before,
1630
01:10:21,483 --> 01:10:23,224
in love with the idea
of being in love,
1631
01:10:23,352 --> 01:10:25,730
all that kind of stuff just
really hit me in particular
1632
01:10:25,854 --> 01:10:28,334
in a really charmed,
pixilated,
1633
01:10:28,457 --> 01:10:29,834
Cupid's arrow kind of way.
1634
01:10:47,476 --> 01:10:49,353
And then when we went
on the city break,
1635
01:10:49,478 --> 01:10:51,253
we got into
Mann's Theaters,
1636
01:10:51,380 --> 01:10:53,621
'cause we wanted to be in the
Mann's Theater in Westwood.
1637
01:10:53,749 --> 01:10:57,526
We were the top-grossing picture
in Westwood that first week.
1638
01:10:57,653 --> 01:11:00,793
And they pulled us out to put
in "Reds" because Paramount,
1639
01:11:00,923 --> 01:11:02,834
so we got screwed.
1640
01:11:02,958 --> 01:11:04,369
That happened
all the time.
1641
01:11:04,460 --> 01:11:06,440
You can't...
You can't self-distribute,
1642
01:11:06,562 --> 01:11:08,235
because you have no clout.
1643
01:11:08,330 --> 01:11:10,241
It would have been something
extraordinary, I think.
1644
01:11:10,366 --> 01:11:13,245
I mean, we'd be... we'd be
having a different conversation
1645
01:11:13,369 --> 01:11:14,848
if Moon Pictures
had taken off
1646
01:11:14,970 --> 01:11:16,643
and "They All Laughed"
had... you know,
1647
01:11:16,772 --> 01:11:18,945
somehow, he'd been able to
successfully distribute it.
1648
01:11:19,275 --> 01:11:22,381
Uh, it would... We'd be having
a different conversation.
1649
01:11:22,511 --> 01:11:25,651
This is Les Nessman
with Show Beat.
1650
01:11:25,781 --> 01:11:28,660
Our guest today,
the actress Colleen Camp.
1651
01:11:28,751 --> 01:11:30,287
You're here
in the Queen City
1652
01:11:30,419 --> 01:11:31,727
for the opening
of the new...
1653
01:11:31,854 --> 01:11:33,424
Bogdin-an-anovich film,
are you not?
1654
01:11:33,555 --> 01:11:35,330
[laugh track]
1655
01:11:35,457 --> 01:11:36,800
Bogdanovich.
1656
01:11:36,892 --> 01:11:38,735
Yes. Well, whatever.
1657
01:11:38,861 --> 01:11:39,999
"They All Laughed."
1658
01:11:40,329 --> 01:11:41,330
Excuse me?
1659
01:11:41,463 --> 01:11:42,533
That's the name
of the picture.
1660
01:11:42,665 --> 01:11:44,269
It opens here
in Cincinnati on Friday.
1661
01:11:44,366 --> 01:11:46,539
And what about all
the sex and violence?
1662
01:11:46,635 --> 01:11:47,875
Excuse me?
1663
01:11:48,003 --> 01:11:49,346
Well, I am one American
1664
01:11:49,471 --> 01:11:51,451
who is sick and tired
of slow-motion death.
1665
01:11:51,573 --> 01:11:52,881
[laugh track]
1666
01:11:53,008 --> 01:11:54,988
I think it's about time
that Hollywood made films
1667
01:11:55,311 --> 01:11:56,551
we decent Americans
could watch.
1668
01:11:56,578 --> 01:11:58,285
I worked
at this video store.
1669
01:11:58,380 --> 01:12:00,018
The guy who owned
that video store,
1670
01:12:00,349 --> 01:12:01,885
part of the getting
to know him
1671
01:12:02,017 --> 01:12:03,690
and, you know,
that whole thing happening
1672
01:12:03,819 --> 01:12:05,628
was just coming in
and talking about movies.
1673
01:12:05,754 --> 01:12:10,567
And it was just a little bit after
"They All Laughed" had come out,
1674
01:12:10,659 --> 01:12:12,696
and he saw it,
and he loved it,
1675
01:12:12,828 --> 01:12:14,466
and I saw it,
and I loved it.
1676
01:12:14,596 --> 01:12:15,973
And we started talking
about Dorothy Stratten,
1677
01:12:16,065 --> 01:12:18,011
about how sad it was,
you know, that...
1678
01:12:18,334 --> 01:12:19,711
you know,
that she was gone.
1679
01:12:19,802 --> 01:12:22,578
And he described
the perfect thing.
1680
01:12:22,705 --> 01:12:24,742
'Cause I actually felt the
same-J felt the same thing, too,
1681
01:12:24,873 --> 01:12:27,353
but I liked the way he described it.
His name was Lance Lawson.
1682
01:12:27,476 --> 01:12:29,752
You knew she was dead
when you bought a ticket,
1683
01:12:29,878 --> 01:12:31,482
and then
you forget about it.
1684
01:12:31,613 --> 01:12:33,354
She's so just charming.
1685
01:12:33,482 --> 01:12:37,589
She's just an enchanting,
movie-starrish, charming presence
1686
01:12:37,720 --> 01:12:39,529
and a funny
little comedienne
1687
01:12:39,655 --> 01:12:43,626
and fit so well into this
fabric of all these characters.
1688
01:12:43,759 --> 01:12:47,764
When the movie's over and you're
having the closing credits
1689
01:12:47,896 --> 01:12:49,671
and then it cuts
to Dorothy Stratten
1690
01:12:49,798 --> 01:12:51,641
and when
you see her name there,
1691
01:12:51,767 --> 01:12:55,078
it was like the entire theater
remembered she was murdered.
1692
01:12:55,404 --> 01:12:56,781
You actually forget,
1693
01:12:56,905 --> 01:12:58,646
and something
about seeing her face
1694
01:12:58,774 --> 01:13:00,481
and her name at the end
of the movie
1695
01:13:00,576 --> 01:13:02,954
just reminded
everybody in the theater,
1696
01:13:03,078 --> 01:13:07,618
and then there was just
this giant sense of loss.
1697
01:13:07,716 --> 01:13:11,630
Just the auditorium just had this
one collective sense of loss.
1698
01:13:13,856 --> 01:13:16,632
BOGDANOVICH: See,
it was an insane period.
1699
01:13:16,725 --> 01:13:20,036
We played 19 weeks
in Seattle, one theater.
1700
01:13:20,129 --> 01:13:21,767
Big hit in Philadelphia.
1701
01:13:21,897 --> 01:13:23,934
We had big hits
here and there,
1702
01:13:24,066 --> 01:13:26,046
but we ran out of money,
1703
01:13:26,168 --> 01:13:27,943
couldn't keep it going.
1704
01:13:28,070 --> 01:13:29,845
When you look back on it,
you can say,
1705
01:13:29,972 --> 01:13:34,387
well, that was the only way
that that movie could be seen.
1706
01:13:34,510 --> 01:13:35,989
And, you know,
if it had been me,
1707
01:13:36,111 --> 01:13:38,057
I probably would have
done the same thing.
1708
01:13:38,180 --> 01:13:40,660
Because art, I mean, it's
just... it's like your baby.
1709
01:13:40,749 --> 01:13:43,059
And especially because
of Dorothy was killed.
1710
01:13:43,152 --> 01:13:46,429
I mean, it was the wrong
thing to do, you know.
1711
01:13:46,555 --> 01:13:48,660
Financially, I mean,
it bottomed him out.
1712
01:13:48,791 --> 01:13:51,670
But he did it
for the art.
1713
01:13:51,794 --> 01:13:53,671
[music playing]
1714
01:14:00,169 --> 01:14:03,616
I know Peter did an awful
lot of thinking after that,
1715
01:14:03,739 --> 01:14:06,811
and he wrote quite a
compelling book about Dorothy
1716
01:14:06,942 --> 01:14:09,081
and about the details
of the murder,
1717
01:14:09,178 --> 01:14:12,091
because those
were real and concrete,
1718
01:14:12,181 --> 01:14:14,127
and they were
from the real world.
1719
01:14:14,450 --> 01:14:17,556
I was very worried about
Peter for a long time,
1720
01:14:17,653 --> 01:14:19,894
and I think "The Killing
of the Unicorn,"
1721
01:14:20,022 --> 01:14:23,094
which is one of the saddest
books I've ever read,
1722
01:14:23,192 --> 01:14:25,968
it helped him to
somewhat process it.
1723
01:14:26,094 --> 01:14:29,166
But, no, I don't think you
ever recover from that.
1724
01:14:33,202 --> 01:14:36,911
"If 'They All Laughed' was going
to be the way I wanted it to be,
1725
01:14:37,039 --> 01:14:40,577
"its characters would behave
with politeness and good humor.
1726
01:14:40,709 --> 01:14:42,711
"There would be grace
in their sadness
1727
01:14:42,811 --> 01:14:45,189
and stoicism
in their dealings with love."
1728
01:14:45,514 --> 01:14:47,755
"Earl Ball and Jo-El Sonnier
had written a song
1729
01:14:47,883 --> 01:14:50,454
that summed up my feelings
about the film."
1730
01:14:50,586 --> 01:14:53,965
"'lf you love someone, you
want what's best for them."'
1731
01:14:58,861 --> 01:15:00,932
"Just One Day
Since Yesterday."
1732
01:15:05,000 --> 01:15:07,947
After Dorothy was killed,
I stayed at home.
1733
01:15:08,070 --> 01:15:10,072
John calls me up one day.
1734
01:15:10,205 --> 01:15:12,742
He says, "I want you to come
over to the house tomorrow.
1735
01:15:12,841 --> 01:15:14,479
"I'm making a picture,
and I need you
1736
01:15:14,610 --> 01:15:16,521
to direct me in a scene
with Diahnne Abbott."
1737
01:15:16,645 --> 01:15:20,821
I said, "John, you've directed
yourself in a number of pictures.
1738
01:15:20,949 --> 01:15:22,485
You don't need me."
1739
01:15:22,618 --> 01:15:24,154
"I'm asking you as a favor,
one friend to another,
1740
01:15:24,253 --> 01:15:25,853
"to come over
and direct me in the scene.
1741
01:15:25,954 --> 01:15:27,058
You telling me
you're not gonna do it?"
1742
01:15:27,189 --> 01:15:29,533
I said, "But, John,
you don't need me.
1743
01:15:29,658 --> 01:15:31,160
"Why would you want...
What can I do?
1744
01:15:31,293 --> 01:15:32,636
What do you need me for?"
1745
01:15:32,728 --> 01:15:33,672
"Look, I'm asking you
to come over
1746
01:15:33,795 --> 01:15:34,967
"and direct me in a scene.
1747
01:15:35,097 --> 01:15:36,617
Are you saying
you're not gonna do it?"
1748
01:15:36,665 --> 01:15:38,804
"Okay, I'll do it, John,
but you don't...
1749
01:15:38,934 --> 01:15:41,972
"Okay. Well, show up, and come
at 2:00," or whatever it was.
1750
01:15:42,104 --> 01:15:44,812
So we shot a couple of shots of
Diahnne pulling up in her car.
1751
01:15:44,940 --> 01:15:46,248
I did it in one shot.
1752
01:15:46,575 --> 01:15:47,735
Rehearsed the stuff
with John,
1753
01:15:47,809 --> 01:15:49,049
and they were terrific.
I didn't...
1754
01:15:49,144 --> 01:15:51,181
I just sort of shot
two angles on both of them,
1755
01:15:51,280 --> 01:15:53,055
and that was it.
I went home.
1756
01:15:53,148 --> 01:15:54,855
In the final film,
he thanks me.
1757
01:15:54,983 --> 01:15:55,984
And I called him,
and I said,
1758
01:15:56,118 --> 01:15:57,791
"John, what did you
thank me for?"
1759
01:15:57,920 --> 01:15:59,729
He said, "I wanted to give you
co-director credit,
1760
01:15:59,855 --> 01:16:01,801
but they wouldn't let me."
He's crazy.
1761
01:16:01,924 --> 01:16:04,268
Then I figured it out
a long time after the fact.
1762
01:16:04,593 --> 01:16:06,698
He just did it
to get me out of the house,
1763
01:16:06,828 --> 01:16:09,707
just did it to get me
on a movie set again,
1764
01:16:09,831 --> 01:16:11,310
'cause it did feel
like home.
1765
01:16:16,972 --> 01:16:20,215
I agreed to do "Mask"
because of Dorothy, really.
1766
01:16:20,342 --> 01:16:22,288
We went to Doubleday's
Book Shop, which...
1767
01:16:22,611 --> 01:16:24,682
There was a book about
the real Elephant Man.
1768
01:16:24,780 --> 01:16:25,884
She wanted to buy the book.
1769
01:16:26,014 --> 01:16:27,721
I said, "You sure
you want to buy that?"
1770
01:16:27,849 --> 01:16:30,887
"Yes," she said
very definitely.
1771
01:16:31,019 --> 01:16:33,966
I couldn't figure out
what the attraction was.
1772
01:16:34,056 --> 01:16:39,233
So I thought, well, extreme
beauty has the same effect
1773
01:16:39,361 --> 01:16:43,138
on the person that has it
as extreme ugliness.
1774
01:16:43,265 --> 01:16:47,145
It sets you apart,
makes you different.
1775
01:16:47,269 --> 01:16:50,250
It didn't make her happy.
In fact, it killed her.
1776
01:16:50,339 --> 01:16:52,842
That's why I thought it would
be interesting to make "Mask,"
1777
01:16:52,975 --> 01:16:55,751
because it's the same feeling
of being outside,
1778
01:16:55,877 --> 01:16:58,983
not being the same
as everybody else.
1779
01:16:59,114 --> 01:16:59,614
[stereo playing nearby]
1780
01:16:59,615 --> 01:17:00,992
[stereo playing nearby]
1781
01:17:05,287 --> 01:17:07,367
Well, you sure as hell aren't
gonna get a scholarship
1782
01:17:07,623 --> 01:17:09,330
if you stay in the sack
all day, are you?
1783
01:17:09,658 --> 01:17:11,298
You had a Spanish test,
didn't you, Rocky?
1784
01:17:11,393 --> 01:17:13,737
Afraid of a little
Spanish test, huh?
1785
01:17:16,298 --> 01:17:17,333
Cold.
1786
01:17:17,666 --> 01:17:21,637
Well, you got your covers
off of you.
1787
01:17:25,641 --> 01:17:28,815
Don't pull this shit
with me, Rocky!
1788
01:17:28,944 --> 01:17:31,686
Do you hear me? Wake up.
1789
01:17:31,813 --> 01:17:34,316
Come on, baby.
Make yourself well.
1790
01:17:36,018 --> 01:17:38,259
Rocky, wake up.
1791
01:17:40,322 --> 01:17:42,199
[music playing]
1792
01:17:48,130 --> 01:17:50,303
BOGDANOVICH: You see, the kid
that the movie was about
1793
01:17:50,399 --> 01:17:52,936
was a big fan of The Beatles
and Springsteen.
1794
01:17:53,068 --> 01:17:54,172
Those were his favorites.
1795
01:17:54,302 --> 01:17:56,304
So I thought,
well, we'll use Bruce.
1796
01:17:56,405 --> 01:17:58,646
You know, Bruce had never
let anybody use his stuff,
1797
01:17:58,740 --> 01:18:00,913
but I asked him,
and he said, "Sure, go ahead.
1798
01:18:01,043 --> 01:18:03,083
You can use anything you want
except 'Born to Run."'
1799
01:18:03,111 --> 01:18:04,920
For some reason,
I was in New York
1800
01:18:05,047 --> 01:18:06,924
with Colleen and
a few other people.
1801
01:18:07,015 --> 01:18:08,323
And she said,
"You're going to go
1802
01:18:08,417 --> 01:18:10,397
to the Springsteen concert
tomorrow night."
1803
01:18:10,719 --> 01:18:12,995
I said, "I'm not gonna go to a
fucking rock 'n' roll concert."
1804
01:18:13,121 --> 01:18:16,694
She said, "You're going.
It'd be good for you."
1805
01:18:16,825 --> 01:18:17,997
I said, "I don't want to go."
1806
01:18:18,126 --> 01:18:19,935
She said, "You're going."
1807
01:18:20,028 --> 01:18:21,735
"All right."
1808
01:18:21,863 --> 01:18:23,809
So I... They literally
dragged me there.
1809
01:18:23,932 --> 01:18:25,934
Well, I was overwhelmed.
I thought it was great,
1810
01:18:26,068 --> 01:18:30,073
like a kind of rock opera.
Its sound was so loud.
1811
01:18:30,172 --> 01:18:32,675
You know, it was like,
"Can you hear me?
1812
01:18:32,774 --> 01:18:34,134
We're getting through
to you here."
1813
01:18:34,242 --> 01:18:36,222
It was... it was beautiful.
1814
01:18:36,344 --> 01:18:39,018
I was listening to a lot
of his music in the car,
1815
01:18:39,147 --> 01:18:41,252
trying to decide
what to use for the ending,
1816
01:18:41,383 --> 01:18:42,885
and I played
"Promised Land,"
1817
01:18:43,018 --> 01:18:44,827
and it hit me.
That was it.
1818
01:18:44,920 --> 01:18:48,231
♪ Blow away the dreams
that tear you apart ♪
1819
01:18:48,356 --> 01:18:51,769
♪ Blow away the dreams... ♪
1820
01:18:51,893 --> 01:18:54,100
I completely fell apart.
1821
01:18:54,229 --> 01:18:55,333
I started sobbing.
1822
01:18:57,999 --> 01:18:59,740
I don't know why.
1823
01:19:03,972 --> 01:19:05,918
And I had to pull over...
1824
01:19:08,143 --> 01:19:09,417
couldn't go on.
1825
01:19:09,745 --> 01:19:11,782
♪ Mister, I ain't a buy ♪
1826
01:19:11,913 --> 01:19:13,893
♪ No, I'm a man ♪
1827
01:19:14,015 --> 01:19:18,054
♪ And I believe in
a promised land... ♪
1828
01:19:18,186 --> 01:19:21,065
That was it. That was the
song to end the picture with.
1829
01:19:24,092 --> 01:19:25,332
And, um...
1830
01:19:32,033 --> 01:19:34,411
so when they took it
out of the picture
1831
01:19:34,536 --> 01:19:36,948
when I was out
of the country,
1832
01:19:37,072 --> 01:19:37,948
I went insane.
1833
01:19:38,073 --> 01:19:40,280
I really lost it,
1834
01:19:40,375 --> 01:19:42,753
sued the studio,
1835
01:19:42,878 --> 01:19:45,290
went completely insane.
1836
01:19:45,380 --> 01:19:48,486
MORFOGEN: As the
director, as the artist,
1837
01:19:48,817 --> 01:19:50,160
he was absolutely right.
1838
01:19:50,252 --> 01:19:52,926
But as
the political animal,
1839
01:19:53,054 --> 01:19:54,431
there's danger.
1840
01:19:54,556 --> 01:19:57,833
I felt that I had made the
picture in a way for Dorothy,
1841
01:19:57,959 --> 01:20:00,496
and they were taking
that away, too.
1842
01:20:00,829 --> 01:20:02,502
This was not
in Bruce's hands.
1843
01:20:02,831 --> 01:20:05,038
Universal and CBS Records
could not make a deal.
1844
01:20:05,133 --> 01:20:06,771
I thought
it was pretty clear
1845
01:20:06,902 --> 01:20:09,041
that the battle
was lost about that.
1846
01:20:09,137 --> 01:20:12,914
Peter was not willing
to let that go.
1847
01:20:13,041 --> 01:20:17,251
And it was not a very good
thing to do politically,
1848
01:20:17,379 --> 01:20:19,325
to put it mildly.
1849
01:20:19,447 --> 01:20:22,155
I was never so despised
in Hollywood.
1850
01:20:24,986 --> 01:20:28,126
Dear Bruce, that the music
didn't end up in the picture
1851
01:20:28,256 --> 01:20:30,065
is a regret
I'll always have,
1852
01:20:30,158 --> 01:20:32,263
a lousy feeling
of letting everybody down.
1853
01:20:32,394 --> 01:20:34,203
In the past, my enthusiasms
1854
01:20:34,329 --> 01:20:36,866
have always been ascribed
to ulterior motives,
1855
01:20:36,998 --> 01:20:39,342
but they have always been
simply my enthusiasms.
1856
01:20:39,467 --> 01:20:42,937
I'm heartbroken that the music
didn't end up in the picture,
1857
01:20:43,071 --> 01:20:48,384
and the past year of my life, I
wouldn't wish on my own worst enemy.
1858
01:20:48,510 --> 01:20:51,889
I managed to get
the work print for him
1859
01:20:52,013 --> 01:20:53,993
out of the studio,
which I did,
1860
01:20:54,115 --> 01:20:55,315
but I didn't
do it dishonestly.
1861
01:20:55,383 --> 01:20:57,294
He... He says
that I stole it.
1862
01:20:57,419 --> 01:20:58,557
I didn't steal it.
1863
01:20:58,887 --> 01:21:00,889
I asked the cutter,
the film editor.
1864
01:21:01,022 --> 01:21:03,901
I said, "Peter has something
he wants to look at."
1865
01:21:04,025 --> 01:21:07,131
She let me have it,
all the reels.
1866
01:21:07,262 --> 01:21:09,833
I mean, I know he tells
the story differently,
1867
01:21:09,965 --> 01:21:11,405
because people have
come up and said,
1868
01:21:11,466 --> 01:21:14,106
"Hey, I heard that you
did..." dah-dah-dah-dah.
1869
01:21:14,202 --> 01:21:18,378
I mean, if I had, I'd confess
to it, but I didn't.
1870
01:21:18,506 --> 01:21:24,513
What I did was I got permission
to remove the reels from the lot.
1871
01:21:24,646 --> 01:21:27,252
They were in the trunk
of my car.
1872
01:21:27,349 --> 01:21:30,387
The guard did not ask me
to open the trunk.
1873
01:21:30,485 --> 01:21:34,126
If he had, I would have said, "The
editor has given me permission."
1874
01:21:34,222 --> 01:21:37,032
If he would have called, he
would have been corroborated...
1875
01:21:37,158 --> 01:21:38,466
I would have been
corroborated.
1876
01:21:38,593 --> 01:21:42,063
But I knew there was also
another scenario at play.
1877
01:21:42,197 --> 01:21:45,144
Well, that was the reason
that he's able to have
1878
01:21:45,267 --> 01:21:48,009
the cut with the Springsteen
being restored.
1879
01:21:48,103 --> 01:21:49,946
It's a huge difference.
1880
01:21:50,071 --> 01:21:53,917
I mean, this is not out of any
disrespect to the other guy, you know,
1881
01:21:54,042 --> 01:21:56,044
but it...
There's just a difference.
1882
01:21:56,177 --> 01:21:58,350
It's in the spirit
of the movie.
1883
01:21:58,480 --> 01:22:00,323
It's in the spirit of Rocky.
1884
01:22:00,448 --> 01:22:03,486
It's, um... it's great.
1885
01:22:03,618 --> 01:22:05,291
It's great.
1886
01:22:06,554 --> 01:22:11,299
Took me 20 years
to get it right.
1887
01:22:11,393 --> 01:22:13,270
[music playing]
1888
01:22:44,459 --> 01:22:48,066
All of the movies Peter has
made since "They All Laughed"
1889
01:22:48,196 --> 01:22:50,608
have been
in a different vein.
1890
01:22:50,732 --> 01:22:52,643
They've been for hire.
1891
01:22:52,968 --> 01:22:57,417
CROCE: He gravitates towards his
own material to reflect on,
1892
01:22:57,539 --> 01:23:00,349
so, hence, he goes
to "Texasville" to rethink
1893
01:23:00,475 --> 01:23:04,981
a lot of the material that was
in, uh, "The Last Picture Show."
1894
01:23:05,113 --> 01:23:06,615
Howdy. Didn't mean
to scare you.
1895
01:23:06,715 --> 01:23:08,126
I'm not scared.
1896
01:23:08,249 --> 01:23:10,661
I guess I just assumed
I had this lake to myself.
1897
01:23:15,557 --> 01:23:17,264
Don't I know you
from somewhere?
1898
01:23:17,392 --> 01:23:20,236
Peter's work
after "They All Laughed"
1899
01:23:20,362 --> 01:23:23,571
is even more profoundly
female-centric,
1900
01:23:23,698 --> 01:23:28,147
partially due to his interest
in Robert Graves,
1901
01:23:28,269 --> 01:23:30,271
which began after the
murder of Dorothy Stratten.
1902
01:23:32,107 --> 01:23:34,109
So what's
this movie about?
1903
01:23:34,242 --> 01:23:35,653
It's the oldest story
in the book.
1904
01:23:35,777 --> 01:23:37,120
Two guys and a girl,
1905
01:23:37,245 --> 01:23:40,454
John Wayne and James
Stewart, Vera Miles.
1906
01:23:40,582 --> 01:23:42,994
What happens?
1907
01:23:43,084 --> 01:23:44,290
Well, let's see.
1908
01:23:44,419 --> 01:23:47,423
♪ Old John and Jimmy ♪
1909
01:23:47,555 --> 01:23:51,002
♪ They both love
Miss Vera ♪
1910
01:23:51,126 --> 01:23:53,197
♪ Now you know in time ♪
1911
01:23:53,328 --> 01:23:57,140
♪ Somethin's bound
to go wrong ♪
1912
01:23:57,265 --> 01:24:00,212
Because of what had happened
was so shocking
1913
01:24:00,335 --> 01:24:02,611
and shockingly
diametrically opposed
1914
01:24:02,737 --> 01:24:04,717
to anything I believed
in the world,
1915
01:24:05,040 --> 01:24:09,284
that I refused to take anything
on face value any longer.
1916
01:24:09,411 --> 01:24:11,687
And then Robert Graves'
work, every conclusion
1917
01:24:11,813 --> 01:24:14,191
has something to do with
the battle of the sexes,
1918
01:24:14,315 --> 01:24:15,555
a real battle of the sexes.
1919
01:24:15,683 --> 01:24:17,060
[gunshot]
1920
01:24:17,185 --> 01:24:18,687
With murder and rape
in the struggle
1921
01:24:18,820 --> 01:24:21,164
between the male
or the female principal.
1922
01:24:21,289 --> 01:24:23,360
I realized later
that what I was looking for
1923
01:24:23,491 --> 01:24:26,438
in all the reading I did
after Dorothy was killed
1924
01:24:26,528 --> 01:24:29,031
was looking
for a place in history
1925
01:24:29,130 --> 01:24:30,370
where it
wouldn't have happened.
1926
01:24:30,398 --> 01:24:31,741
That's where
I wanted to be.
1927
01:24:33,668 --> 01:24:35,045
Well, it was... I found it,
1928
01:24:35,170 --> 01:24:37,673
but it was, like,
3,000 years before Christ.
1929
01:24:40,341 --> 01:24:42,048
I would have
been happy then.
1930
01:24:42,177 --> 01:24:43,781
She wouldn't
have been killed.
1931
01:24:44,112 --> 01:24:47,093
No movies,
but what the hell?
1932
01:24:47,215 --> 01:24:50,094
Anything, I think, that touches
on Hollywood or celebrity,
1933
01:24:50,218 --> 01:24:52,721
uh, certainly Peter
sees a lot of himself in.
1934
01:24:52,854 --> 01:24:54,527
Why does anyone
do anything?
1935
01:24:54,656 --> 01:24:56,465
Why does that other idiot
go out of the front door
1936
01:24:56,591 --> 01:24:58,127
holding two plates
of sardines?
1937
01:24:58,259 --> 01:24:59,533
I mean, I'm not
getting at you, love.
1938
01:24:59,661 --> 01:25:01,334
'Course not, Lloyd.
I mean, why do I?
1939
01:25:01,429 --> 01:25:03,466
I mean, Jesus, when you come
to think about it, why do I?
1940
01:25:03,565 --> 01:25:04,475
Who knows?
Who knows?
1941
01:25:04,566 --> 01:25:05,772
You see, Freddie?
1942
01:25:06,101 --> 01:25:07,546
I've gotten a lesson
in appreciating Peter.
1943
01:25:07,669 --> 01:25:11,549
I tended to underrate
him, uh, for a time.
1944
01:25:11,673 --> 01:25:14,119
People weren't thinking
about how special
1945
01:25:14,242 --> 01:25:15,619
each and every
project he made.
1946
01:25:15,743 --> 01:25:18,553
Even if it's a TV episode
of "The Sopranos,"
1947
01:25:18,680 --> 01:25:21,661
Peter brought
his excitement
1948
01:25:21,783 --> 01:25:24,354
and passion of cinema to
that "Sopranos" episode.
1949
01:25:24,452 --> 01:25:26,489
And you could tell
that he directed it.
1950
01:25:26,588 --> 01:25:29,501
And then with the Tom Petty
documentary. That was...
1951
01:25:29,624 --> 01:25:32,628
God, I just watched that a
couple of nights ago again.
1952
01:25:32,760 --> 01:25:34,762
It was such
a great in-depth story,
1953
01:25:34,863 --> 01:25:37,537
and you could tell his
interviewing all those guys,
1954
01:25:37,665 --> 01:25:39,235
how comfortable
he made them feel
1955
01:25:39,334 --> 01:25:42,213
so they could
get the goods.
1956
01:25:49,777 --> 01:25:51,154
For a long time,
"They All Laughed"
1957
01:25:51,279 --> 01:25:52,599
was just a film
that I read about.
1958
01:25:52,714 --> 01:25:54,785
I think I saw it
for the first time on VHS,
1959
01:25:54,916 --> 01:25:56,190
like in the later eighties.
1960
01:25:56,317 --> 01:25:57,387
When I first saw
the movie,
1961
01:25:57,519 --> 01:25:59,123
it was sort of a bit
lost, you know.
1962
01:25:59,254 --> 01:26:02,258
It wasn't
so readily available
1963
01:26:02,357 --> 01:26:03,802
for... for a number
of years.
1964
01:26:03,892 --> 01:26:06,304
Most people, they... they think
everything is out there,
1965
01:26:06,427 --> 01:26:08,134
every movie that's made
can be seen.
1966
01:26:08,263 --> 01:26:10,436
Obviously,
that's completely untrue.
1967
01:26:10,565 --> 01:26:12,670
There's tons of films
that are out of circulation
1968
01:26:12,800 --> 01:26:15,144
because of copyright issues,
1969
01:26:15,270 --> 01:26:18,410
or people thought that they don't have
enough of a market for these films.
1970
01:26:18,540 --> 01:26:22,317
The first time I heard about "They All
Laughed" was from Quentin Tarantino.
1971
01:26:22,443 --> 01:26:23,854
It was before
"Jackie Brown,"
1972
01:26:24,179 --> 01:26:26,159
when Tarantino released
this kind of 10 best of...
1973
01:26:26,281 --> 01:26:27,316
his 10 favorite films,
1974
01:26:27,448 --> 01:26:28,893
and "They All Laughed"
was on there.
1975
01:26:29,217 --> 01:26:31,288
You know, and to see him
champion "They All Laughed"
1976
01:26:31,386 --> 01:26:32,763
and to get
this momentum,
1977
01:26:32,887 --> 01:26:35,458
it's just been great, you
know, to go from a movie
1978
01:26:35,590 --> 01:26:37,160
that you
couldn't find anywhere
1979
01:26:37,258 --> 01:26:40,296
to finally people starting
to appreciate it.
1980
01:26:40,428 --> 01:26:42,108
The movie's gonna
really be worth its salt.
1981
01:26:42,197 --> 01:26:44,905
It can't just be that it
captured a moment in time
1982
01:26:45,233 --> 01:26:48,305
when you saw it, right?
'Cause that almost says
1983
01:26:48,403 --> 01:26:49,575
a movie's had nothing
to do with it.
1984
01:26:49,671 --> 01:26:51,173
It was just all you,
1985
01:26:51,272 --> 01:26:53,218
and it was all
your circumstances,
1986
01:26:53,341 --> 01:26:57,721
and that was just the right
fodder for your own shit.
1987
01:26:57,812 --> 01:27:00,793
Um, now, that can be the case and
that you still love those movies,
1988
01:27:00,915 --> 01:27:03,452
but, you know, a real movie,
it's gonna grow as it goes on.
1989
01:27:03,551 --> 01:27:05,929
There was a point
that I thought
1990
01:27:06,254 --> 01:27:09,235
I had ruined the movie
by seeing it too much.
1991
01:27:09,357 --> 01:27:12,338
After having not seen it
for six or seven years,
1992
01:27:12,427 --> 01:27:13,872
I actually watched it again,
and I called Peter up.
1993
01:27:13,995 --> 01:27:16,475
I go, "Hey, man, I didn't
tell you about this,
1994
01:27:16,564 --> 01:27:18,510
"but I was afraid I kind of
ruined it for myself.
1995
01:27:18,633 --> 01:27:20,203
"I hadn't seen it
in a long time
1996
01:27:20,335 --> 01:27:21,541
"and watched it again,
1997
01:27:21,669 --> 01:27:23,910
and it really grabbed me
in a different way."
1998
01:27:24,239 --> 01:27:25,877
And he goes, "Oh, wow, I'm really... l
know exactly what you mean.
1999
01:27:25,974 --> 01:27:27,574
"I've done that
with movies, too, before.
2000
01:27:27,609 --> 01:27:29,384
"And I've lost some
for all times,
2001
01:27:29,510 --> 01:27:31,030
"and others, you know,
I get them back,
2002
01:27:31,279 --> 01:27:32,999
"and I'm really glad
that 'They All Laughed'
2003
01:27:33,281 --> 01:27:37,423
had the kind of stuff for you
to get it back again." [laughs]
2004
01:27:37,552 --> 01:27:39,930
I think Georgina's
in love with me.
2005
01:27:40,255 --> 01:27:41,359
How about you?
2006
01:27:41,456 --> 01:27:42,366
Oh, I don't know.
2007
01:27:42,457 --> 01:27:43,697
I love her,
of course,
2008
01:27:43,825 --> 01:27:45,668
but I don't know if
I'm in love with her.
2009
01:27:45,793 --> 01:27:47,704
We're going to write
to each other...
2010
01:27:47,829 --> 01:27:48,705
That's good.
2011
01:27:48,830 --> 01:27:49,968
And see how it goes.
2012
01:27:50,298 --> 01:27:51,777
No commitments, eh?
2013
01:27:51,899 --> 01:27:54,243
It's better that way,
don't you think, Mother?
2014
01:27:54,369 --> 01:27:56,406
Much better, darling.
2015
01:28:02,410 --> 01:28:05,721
BRIDGES: Life happens,
you know, to us all.
2016
01:28:05,847 --> 01:28:09,920
You know, chances are you're
gonna get the full catastrophe,
2017
01:28:10,018 --> 01:28:12,294
you know,
the whole gamut of emotions
2018
01:28:12,420 --> 01:28:13,694
and all
the different things.
2019
01:28:13,821 --> 01:28:15,391
Of course,
what you're living through,
2020
01:28:15,490 --> 01:28:16,833
you bring to your work.
2021
01:28:16,958 --> 01:28:18,699
The movie that's left
on the side
2022
01:28:18,826 --> 01:28:21,534
is kind of a remnant
of that experience,
2023
01:28:21,629 --> 01:28:23,870
but the real experience
continues on
2024
01:28:23,998 --> 01:28:25,534
with the people,
you know.
2025
01:28:25,667 --> 01:28:28,409
Everybody literally
became best friends,
2026
01:28:28,503 --> 01:28:30,676
and I absolutely
love Patti Hansen,
2027
01:28:30,772 --> 01:28:34,015
and I loved Dorothy, was
very close to Dorothy,
2028
01:28:34,342 --> 01:28:36,344
and I'm very close to her
sister and her mother.
2029
01:28:36,477 --> 01:28:37,820
We've stuck it out.
2030
01:28:37,945 --> 01:28:40,824
We've stuck it together
through all these years.
2031
01:28:40,915 --> 01:28:43,486
Culleen... And she's
a big sister to me.
2032
01:28:43,618 --> 01:28:45,291
Anna is
a big sister to me.
2033
01:28:45,420 --> 01:28:48,424
I think it completely
changed our entire family.
2034
01:28:48,556 --> 01:28:51,833
I mean, and then we also started
really getting to know her family,
2035
01:28:51,926 --> 01:28:53,496
which became our family.
2036
01:28:53,628 --> 01:28:55,505
Marlon Brando says
in "One-Eyed Jacks,"
2037
01:28:55,630 --> 01:28:57,507
"You didn't give me
no selection."
2038
01:28:57,632 --> 01:28:59,612
Um, I mean,
I didn't have any...
2039
01:28:59,734 --> 01:29:02,476
There was
no other way to do it.
2040
01:29:02,603 --> 01:29:04,446
Just seemed natural.
2041
01:29:04,539 --> 01:29:08,715
Peter and I, we became very
close with this tragedy,
2042
01:29:08,810 --> 01:29:11,051
and we were like...
like a life raft
2043
01:29:11,379 --> 01:29:13,381
together in...
in getting through it.
2044
01:29:13,514 --> 01:29:16,017
It was like a shipwreck,
and we both ended up
2045
01:29:16,351 --> 01:29:18,331
hanging on to the same piece
of driftwood.
2046
01:29:18,419 --> 01:29:20,865
Things just evolved.
2047
01:29:20,955 --> 01:29:22,992
It seemed
natural enough to me.
2048
01:29:23,091 --> 01:29:25,901
It's the same kind
of kindness and generosity
2049
01:29:26,027 --> 01:29:29,907
and angelic personality.
2050
01:29:30,031 --> 01:29:33,604
It was a lifesaver for me
to have her in my life.
2051
01:29:33,701 --> 01:29:36,682
During our darkest times, we wrote
a screwball comedy together.
2052
01:29:36,804 --> 01:29:41,947
Well, we transformed this
time that was so heavy
2053
01:29:42,076 --> 01:29:46,081
into something that was
quite funny, actually.
2054
01:29:46,414 --> 01:29:50,692
Nobody's voyage
is free of pain.
2055
01:29:50,818 --> 01:29:55,028
It's how much you're
able to admit, I think.
2056
01:29:55,156 --> 01:30:00,834
How much you're able to admit finally
is what makes you an artist,
2057
01:30:00,962 --> 01:30:03,772
not only your pain,
but your pleasure...
2058
01:30:03,898 --> 01:30:05,400
[chuckles]
2059
01:30:05,533 --> 01:30:07,672
Your... your anger...
What are you doing?
2060
01:30:07,802 --> 01:30:10,373
Your insanity,
2061
01:30:10,471 --> 01:30:12,382
your sense of humor.
2062
01:30:12,473 --> 01:30:14,544
Got some splinters,
eh, Johnny?
2063
01:30:16,844 --> 01:30:18,118
Got a few, Sam.
2064
01:30:18,446 --> 01:30:20,517
♪ When you love someone ♪
2065
01:30:20,615 --> 01:30:22,925
♪ You want
what's best for them ♪
2066
01:30:23,017 --> 01:30:26,658
♪ That's how it is,
that's how it's always been ♪
2067
01:30:26,754 --> 01:30:28,392
BOGDANOVICH:
♪ When you love someone ♪
2068
01:30:28,523 --> 01:30:30,400
♪ You want
what's best for them ♪
2069
01:30:30,491 --> 01:30:33,472
♪ That's how it is, that's
how it's always been ♪
2070
01:30:33,594 --> 01:30:35,665
A lot of people think,
if you're in love,
2071
01:30:35,763 --> 01:30:38,801
it should be
what's good for you,
2072
01:30:38,933 --> 01:30:42,005
but it should be what's good
for the person you love.
2073
01:30:42,136 --> 01:30:45,640
That's why murder is
the worst crime there is.
2074
01:30:47,108 --> 01:30:49,679
Take away somebody's life...
2075
01:30:49,811 --> 01:30:52,621
who the fuck
do you think you are?
2076
01:30:52,747 --> 01:30:54,988
Just got chills.
I just got chills,
2077
01:30:55,116 --> 01:30:56,618
because...
2078
01:31:03,157 --> 01:31:05,967
Yeah,
Peter wrote a book
2079
01:31:06,060 --> 01:31:08,597
called
"Pieces of Time,"
2080
01:31:08,729 --> 01:31:09,969
and there's a story
behind that,
2081
01:31:10,097 --> 01:31:11,974
and I don't know if he
ever told you the story,
2082
01:31:12,099 --> 01:31:13,772
and I'm not gonna
tell the story.
2083
01:31:18,473 --> 01:31:20,714
But it was
a piece of time.
2084
01:31:26,047 --> 01:31:33,488
LOUIS ARMSTRONG: ♪ The odds were
a hundred to one against me ♪
2085
01:31:33,621 --> 01:31:41,631
♪ The world thought the heights
were too high to climb ♪
2086
01:31:41,762 --> 01:31:49,647
♪ But people from Missouri
never incensed me ♪
2087
01:31:49,770 --> 01:31:55,015
♪ Oh, I wasn't a bit concerned ♪
2088
01:31:55,109 --> 01:32:02,027
♪ For from history,
I had learned ♪
2089
01:32:02,116 --> 01:32:07,116
♪ How many, many times
the worm had turned ♪
2090
01:32:13,094 --> 01:32:15,904
All right, ready,
and action!
2091
01:32:16,030 --> 01:32:20,035
♪ They all laughed
at Christopher Columbus ♪
2092
01:32:20,134 --> 01:32:22,978
♪ When he said
the world was round... ♪
2093
01:32:23,104 --> 01:32:26,677
This new film, it's not necessarily
an homage to "They All Laughed,"
2094
01:32:26,807 --> 01:32:29,549
but it's picking up
the thread.
2095
01:32:29,677 --> 01:32:31,213
I think
what was exciting for us
2096
01:32:31,546 --> 01:32:32,923
when we read that script
was that it felt
2097
01:32:33,014 --> 01:32:34,652
like it had a connection
to "They All Laughed."
2098
01:32:34,782 --> 01:32:35,817
You know, I mean,
in a way that it almost
2099
01:32:35,950 --> 01:32:37,054
could have been made
right after.
2100
01:32:37,184 --> 01:32:40,222
Georgie, one more.
2101
01:32:40,555 --> 01:32:42,592
♪ They told Marconi ♪
2102
01:32:42,723 --> 01:32:44,794
♪ Wireless was a phony ♪
2103
01:32:44,892 --> 01:32:47,532
♪ It's the same old cry... ♪
2104
01:32:47,628 --> 01:32:49,574
Peter was conscious
of that.
2105
01:32:49,697 --> 01:32:51,233
He wanted to do a movie
like "They All Laughed,"
2106
01:32:51,566 --> 01:32:54,672
which he hadn't been able
to do in all these years.
2107
01:32:54,769 --> 01:32:57,272
♪ Reaching for the moon,
but, uh... ♪
2108
01:32:57,605 --> 01:33:00,142
We had this idea
that what it should be
2109
01:33:00,274 --> 01:33:02,948
is a lost
Bogdanovich movie,
2110
01:33:03,077 --> 01:33:05,819
and even though it's got Owen
Wilson and Jennifer Aniston...
2111
01:33:05,913 --> 01:33:07,950
Great.
Here's my therapist.
2112
01:33:08,082 --> 01:33:09,220
[gasps]
2113
01:33:09,317 --> 01:33:11,820
Our pitch
was we just say
2114
01:33:11,919 --> 01:33:14,763
this is a movie
that was made in 1981.
2115
01:33:14,889 --> 01:33:16,766
No kidding. Me, I'm all,
"It's kind of funny."
2116
01:33:16,891 --> 01:33:19,269
I feel like
the sort of "Saint Jack,"
2117
01:33:19,594 --> 01:33:21,699
"They All Laughed" duo,
2118
01:33:21,829 --> 01:33:25,038
he was really finding a kind of
different kind of groove there.
2119
01:33:25,166 --> 01:33:29,637
It was exciting to see Peter kind of
return to that way of doing things.
2120
01:33:29,770 --> 01:33:32,717
The way that Peter
kind of films scenes,
2121
01:33:32,840 --> 01:33:35,013
it's sort of, you know,
there'll be a four-page scene,
2122
01:33:35,142 --> 01:33:36,985
and he'll film it
in one shut,
2123
01:33:37,078 --> 01:33:40,116
so you know, he's not
kind of cutting in,
2124
01:33:40,247 --> 01:33:42,124
and we're not doing over
the shoulders and things.
2125
01:33:42,216 --> 01:33:44,924
So I think as an actor, that
kind of makes it more exciting.
2126
01:33:45,052 --> 01:33:48,625
Every time an actor gets to
have a chance to work with him,
2127
01:33:48,756 --> 01:33:50,633
they are given a most
extraordinary gift,
2128
01:33:50,758 --> 01:33:52,738
and they will
never be the same.
2129
01:33:52,860 --> 01:33:54,100
We're all looking
at each other,
2130
01:33:54,195 --> 01:33:56,175
going, "This is about
just going for it."
2131
01:33:56,297 --> 01:33:59,278
It feels like I'm
in an old movie.
2132
01:33:59,367 --> 01:34:02,871
The amount of people that have come
just to do three or four lines in this
2133
01:34:03,004 --> 01:34:06,679
is a testament to his incredible
importance to this business.
2134
01:34:06,807 --> 01:34:07,877
Very nice.
2135
01:34:08,009 --> 01:34:09,784
Cut.
2136
01:34:09,910 --> 01:34:12,186
♪ Darling,
let's take a bow ♪
2137
01:34:12,313 --> 01:34:13,621
♪ Oh, yes ♪
2138
01:34:13,714 --> 01:34:15,785
♪ For ha ha ha ♪
♪ Ho ho ho ♪
2139
01:34:15,916 --> 01:34:22,060
♪ Who's got
the last laugh now? ♪
2140
01:34:25,693 --> 01:34:27,366
[music playing]
2141
01:34:32,433 --> 01:34:35,676
Before this interview, I googled
him just to kind of brush up
2142
01:34:35,803 --> 01:34:37,783
and see
what other people said.
2143
01:34:37,872 --> 01:34:41,251
I didn't know he was conceived
in Europe and born in America.
2144
01:34:41,375 --> 01:34:43,013
A little tidbit
for you.
2145
01:34:48,883 --> 01:34:50,988
It's one of my favorite pictures,
I think, I've ever taken of him.
2146
01:34:51,118 --> 01:34:52,722
It shows
what it feels like
2147
01:34:52,853 --> 01:34:54,924
being scoped by one
of the great directors.
2148
01:34:58,826 --> 01:35:01,830
BOGDANOVICH: Subsequent to that
preview, I showed it to Frank Capra.
2149
01:35:01,962 --> 01:35:04,943
I wasn't close to him,
but Capra was good at comedy,
2150
01:35:05,032 --> 01:35:07,012
so I called him
in Palm Desert, and I said,
2151
01:35:07,134 --> 01:35:09,080
"Could I send a limo down
to pick you up,
2152
01:35:09,203 --> 01:35:10,443
"and come up
and see my picture?
2153
01:35:10,738 --> 01:35:12,081
I'd like to know
what you think of it."
2154
01:35:12,173 --> 01:35:13,675
He said, "Well,
I'll come," he says,
2155
01:35:13,808 --> 01:35:15,947
"if you don't get angry
if I tell you the truth."
2156
01:35:16,043 --> 01:35:17,386
I said,
"No, I want the truth."
2157
01:35:17,712 --> 01:35:19,089
He said, "Well, the last person
that asked me to do that
2158
01:35:19,180 --> 01:35:21,023
got really angry when
I told him I didn't like it."
2159
01:35:21,148 --> 01:35:22,148
"Well, what was that?"
2160
01:35:22,249 --> 01:35:23,853
"Well, Coppola sent
a limo for me
2161
01:35:23,984 --> 01:35:26,225
"to look at 'Apocalypse Now.'
I told him I hated it.
2162
01:35:26,353 --> 01:35:29,766
He didn't like that,
got angry at me."
2163
01:35:29,890 --> 01:35:30,960
"I won't get angry, Frank.
2164
01:35:31,092 --> 01:35:32,452
I just want to see
what you think."
2165
01:35:32,727 --> 01:35:34,764
So he came to see it.
We screened it for him.
2166
01:35:34,895 --> 01:35:36,704
And after the movie was over,
he came out.
2167
01:35:36,797 --> 01:35:40,006
He says, "Good picture, kid.
Your first reel's too fast."
2168
01:35:40,134 --> 01:35:41,772
Heh.
That was all he said.
2169
01:35:41,902 --> 01:35:46,009
He went through a very
uncalled-for period in his career.
2170
01:35:46,140 --> 01:35:47,710
He makes great movies.
2171
01:35:47,842 --> 01:35:48,842
He tells great stories.
2172
01:35:48,876 --> 01:35:49,980
He's always on budget.
2173
01:35:50,111 --> 01:35:51,852
He's always on schedule,
you know.
2174
01:35:51,979 --> 01:35:53,788
And I think that some of
the younger directors today
2175
01:35:53,914 --> 01:35:56,190
could learn something
from looking back
2176
01:35:56,317 --> 01:36:00,265
at the masters like Ford and
Hawks and Walsh and Peter.
2177
01:36:00,354 --> 01:36:02,061
The love
never went away.
2178
01:36:02,189 --> 01:36:04,863
The love never went away.
It just changed,
2179
01:36:04,992 --> 01:36:06,938
and the respect
just grew and grew,
2180
01:36:07,061 --> 01:36:08,870
and we're
just best friends.
2181
01:36:08,963 --> 01:36:12,172
That sort of
three-dimensional world
2182
01:36:12,299 --> 01:36:14,404
of loss and love
and hope
2183
01:36:14,535 --> 01:36:16,276
and also
how important love is.
2184
01:36:16,403 --> 01:36:20,044
You just hope. You hope that life
will be like that, you know.
2185
01:36:20,174 --> 01:36:23,747
If you stop feeling that way, you
know, then you're really lost.
2186
01:36:23,844 --> 01:36:27,053
There was a moment in that shoe
store scene that I remember,
2187
01:36:27,181 --> 01:36:28,922
which is her
doing a double take.
2188
01:36:29,049 --> 01:36:31,962
And I remember registering
it as a good double take,
2189
01:36:32,086 --> 01:36:34,464
to get somebody to imitate it
if you need a double take.
2190
01:36:34,789 --> 01:36:37,326
That was particularly difficult,
because it was John's point of view,
2191
01:36:37,458 --> 01:36:40,462
and the camera was moving,
so she had to look...
2192
01:36:40,795 --> 01:36:42,297
If you study it, you'll see
she's looking into the lens.
2193
01:36:42,429 --> 01:36:45,205
Well, I did study it.
[laughs]
2194
01:36:45,332 --> 01:36:46,902
"Jackie Brown"
was a long movie.
2195
01:36:47,034 --> 01:36:48,911
It's like 2 hours, 40
minutes, something like that.
2196
01:36:49,003 --> 01:36:51,203
Ended up sitting next to Peter
at the New York premiere.
2197
01:36:51,272 --> 01:36:52,979
And so the movie's over,
2198
01:36:53,107 --> 01:36:56,088
Peter goes, "Wow,
how long was that movie?"
2199
01:36:56,210 --> 01:36:58,053
I go, "Oh,
that's not a good sign."
2200
01:36:58,179 --> 01:36:59,817
You know, and he goes,
"Wow, I mean,
2201
01:36:59,947 --> 01:37:01,483
"it just seemed like nothing.
It's like 2 1/2 hours.
2202
01:37:01,816 --> 01:37:04,797
"I thought it was like 90 minutes
or something, I was so into it.
2203
01:37:04,885 --> 01:37:07,832
That is the shortest long
movie since 'Rio Bravo'.“
2204
01:37:07,955 --> 01:37:09,263
And I go, wow, that's
a hell of a compliment
2205
01:37:09,390 --> 01:37:11,336
coming from him,
all right?
2206
01:37:11,425 --> 01:37:13,234
"I wanted to make the shortest
long movie since 'Rio Bravo'.“
2207
01:37:13,360 --> 01:37:15,067
"Well, you've done it.
2208
01:37:15,196 --> 01:37:17,005
That is the shortest long
movie since 'Rio Bravo'.“
2209
01:37:17,131 --> 01:37:19,077
What a game last night.
You watch the Knicks?
2210
01:37:19,200 --> 01:37:20,543
Oh, of course.
Are you kidding me?
2211
01:37:20,868 --> 01:37:21,938
That was huge.
2212
01:37:22,036 --> 01:37:23,344
And, you know,
that was major league.
2213
01:37:23,470 --> 01:37:24,540
I mean, what a game.
2214
01:37:24,872 --> 01:37:26,472
That was major league.
What a great game.
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