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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:20,754 --> 00:00:23,394 One of the great things about making movies 2 00:00:23,523 --> 00:00:25,696 is it's a communal art form. 3 00:00:26,026 --> 00:00:28,165 You have all these artists working together 4 00:00:28,294 --> 00:00:30,274 to make something beautiful 5 00:00:30,363 --> 00:00:32,309 and meaningful to other people, you know. 6 00:00:32,432 --> 00:00:35,311 The relationships, the friendships, 7 00:00:35,435 --> 00:00:37,039 the closeness that you develop, 8 00:00:37,170 --> 00:00:40,413 that quality, Peter wants in his films. 9 00:00:40,507 --> 00:00:43,454 He's exposing a part of his personal life. 10 00:00:43,576 --> 00:00:47,285 Just after one decade of great prominence and success, 11 00:00:47,414 --> 00:00:49,621 he found his true self as a filmmaker. 12 00:00:49,749 --> 00:00:54,562 "They All Laughed" was his most pure vision 13 00:00:54,687 --> 00:00:56,689 of what he's most drawn to. 14 00:00:56,790 --> 00:01:00,704 It's almost unfathomable when you look back 15 00:01:00,827 --> 00:01:04,604 to think how famous Peter was. 16 00:01:04,731 --> 00:01:07,439 And then, also... but it just shows 17 00:01:07,534 --> 00:01:10,481 how big he was that... you know, how far he fell. 18 00:01:10,603 --> 00:01:12,708 No one should go through 19 00:01:12,806 --> 00:01:15,116 what he's gone through with his movies 20 00:01:15,241 --> 00:01:17,084 and what happened on "They All Laughed." 21 00:01:17,210 --> 00:01:18,712 Devastating from a personal level. 22 00:01:18,812 --> 00:01:21,452 You know, I don't know how you ever recover from that. 23 00:01:21,548 --> 00:01:23,619 We didn't know Dorothy that long, you know. 24 00:01:23,750 --> 00:01:25,787 I mean, we knew her for a year. 25 00:01:26,119 --> 00:01:27,530 I think, for me, I mean, 26 00:01:27,654 --> 00:01:32,626 I do feel like I lost my father that day. 27 00:01:32,759 --> 00:01:34,636 [music playing] 28 00:02:08,461 --> 00:02:09,496 ♪ I was sitting down ♪ 29 00:02:10,630 --> 00:02:12,803 ♪ All by myself ♪ 30 00:02:13,133 --> 00:02:15,238 ♪ Listening to everybody ♪ 31 00:02:15,335 --> 00:02:18,179 ♪ Everybody saying be like everybody else ♪ 32 00:02:18,304 --> 00:02:19,544 ♪ Oh, you see ♪ 33 00:02:23,576 --> 00:02:25,214 ♪ I gotta be me ♪ 34 00:02:29,149 --> 00:02:33,791 ♪ And there ain't nobody just like this ♪ 35 00:02:33,920 --> 00:02:36,526 ♪ I got to be me ♪ 36 00:02:36,656 --> 00:02:38,397 Well, I'd first met Peter, 37 00:02:38,525 --> 00:02:40,698 and he was writing for "Esquire" magazine, I think. 38 00:02:40,827 --> 00:02:43,535 And he pretty much knew everything 39 00:02:43,630 --> 00:02:46,543 there was to know about movies and films, 40 00:02:46,633 --> 00:02:48,442 and he was just a fascinating guy to talk to, 41 00:02:48,568 --> 00:02:49,672 because he had already interviewed 42 00:02:49,802 --> 00:02:52,146 all these great directors and actors, 43 00:02:52,272 --> 00:02:55,879 and he was out here doing second unit work on a movie 44 00:02:56,209 --> 00:02:57,849 called "The Wild Angels" for Roger Corman. 45 00:02:57,877 --> 00:03:00,221 ANNOUNCER: They're wild and no angels. 46 00:03:00,346 --> 00:03:01,620 Law-defying, 47 00:03:01,748 --> 00:03:04,490 getting their kicks from violence and torture. 48 00:03:04,617 --> 00:03:06,893 I had something happen to me on "The Wild Angels." 49 00:03:07,220 --> 00:03:11,168 There was a fight with the townies and the Angels, 50 00:03:11,291 --> 00:03:12,531 and there were very few townies. 51 00:03:12,592 --> 00:03:13,593 There were, like, four. 52 00:03:13,726 --> 00:03:15,728 And Roger leans over to me. He says, 53 00:03:15,862 --> 00:03:18,502 "Run in there as a townie." 54 00:03:18,631 --> 00:03:19,701 And they were the real Hell's Angels, right? 55 00:03:19,799 --> 00:03:21,079 They were the real Hell's Angels. 56 00:03:21,234 --> 00:03:22,872 They hated me, because they hated Roger, 57 00:03:23,203 --> 00:03:25,240 and I was always standing next to him. 58 00:03:25,371 --> 00:03:27,317 And I got in there, and they started beating the shit out of me. 59 00:03:27,440 --> 00:03:28,480 Oh, no. Really? Oh, really. 60 00:03:28,608 --> 00:03:29,608 I just said, "Fuck this," 61 00:03:29,709 --> 00:03:30,881 and I fell down on the ground. 62 00:03:31,211 --> 00:03:33,316 When is he gonna say, "Cut?" Fuck it. 63 00:03:33,413 --> 00:03:34,790 And it was the longest time 64 00:03:34,914 --> 00:03:36,791 I ever heard to hear the word, "Cut." 65 00:03:36,916 --> 00:03:39,328 Peter really wanted to be a director. 66 00:03:39,452 --> 00:03:41,489 Mr. Corman had said, "Well, I could give you 67 00:03:41,621 --> 00:03:43,328 the money to make your first movie." 68 00:03:43,456 --> 00:03:45,800 If anybody ever got to do what they really always wanted to do, 69 00:03:45,925 --> 00:03:47,370 it's you making pictures. 70 00:03:47,493 --> 00:03:48,938 It's true. Are these rumors true 71 00:03:49,262 --> 00:03:51,333 that you've spent probably 80% of your life 72 00:03:51,464 --> 00:03:53,740 either seeing movies, reading about them, writing about them, 73 00:03:53,833 --> 00:03:55,540 or cutting them up, or something? 74 00:03:55,668 --> 00:03:56,874 Not cutting them up. 75 00:03:57,003 --> 00:03:59,745 I never cut a picture till I did one, you know. 76 00:03:59,872 --> 00:04:00,873 Your own? Yeah. 77 00:04:00,974 --> 00:04:03,511 But, uh, seeing 'em, yeah. Yeah. 78 00:04:03,643 --> 00:04:05,782 And writing about 'em a little bit, 79 00:04:05,912 --> 00:04:07,755 but seeing 'em a lot. With Peter, 80 00:04:07,880 --> 00:04:11,350 he's making movies on the heels of this whole other career 81 00:04:11,451 --> 00:04:13,931 of being a film sort of historian. 82 00:04:14,254 --> 00:04:15,790 You know, Peter obviously was very connected 83 00:04:15,922 --> 00:04:17,697 to all the guys who came before him, 84 00:04:17,824 --> 00:04:19,633 and, you know, he interviewed them all, 85 00:04:19,759 --> 00:04:22,239 and he studied them, and he knew them so well. 86 00:04:22,362 --> 00:04:25,241 In Peter's early movies, that's a big part of them. 87 00:04:25,331 --> 00:04:27,691 I mean, first he's got a movie which is not even his choice. 88 00:04:27,767 --> 00:04:30,839 ANNOUNCER: A typical American family at dinner. 89 00:04:30,970 --> 00:04:34,315 Mum and dad, their beautiful daughter-in-law, 90 00:04:34,440 --> 00:04:37,717 and their only sun, Joe, 91 00:04:37,844 --> 00:04:39,790 a homicidal maniac. 92 00:04:39,912 --> 00:04:40,913 [gunshot] 93 00:04:41,014 --> 00:04:42,014 Hey, what are you doing? 94 00:04:42,282 --> 00:04:43,420 Aah! 95 00:04:43,549 --> 00:04:44,994 ANDERSON: But he took this thing, 96 00:04:45,318 --> 00:04:47,855 and he made it about Boris Karloff, the movie star. 97 00:04:47,987 --> 00:04:49,591 What's it all about? 98 00:04:49,722 --> 00:04:50,792 What? 99 00:04:50,890 --> 00:04:52,927 Everybody's dead. 100 00:04:53,059 --> 00:04:54,470 I feel like a dinosaur. 101 00:04:55,995 --> 00:04:58,805 Oh, I know how people think of me these days, 102 00:04:58,898 --> 00:05:01,276 old-fashioned, outmoded. 103 00:05:01,401 --> 00:05:03,472 Well, not after this picture, they wouldn't. 104 00:05:03,603 --> 00:05:07,312 You can't change your whole lifetime with one picture. 105 00:05:09,008 --> 00:05:11,818 What have you got if you quit? 106 00:05:11,911 --> 00:05:13,549 That movie, as you know, 107 00:05:13,646 --> 00:05:17,992 was a kind of success for a first film for a young man. 108 00:05:18,318 --> 00:05:19,956 Low-budget, Roger Cowman, 109 00:05:20,053 --> 00:05:23,626 Boris Karloff for a few days. 110 00:05:23,756 --> 00:05:25,827 It had to be that he owed them a few days. 111 00:05:25,925 --> 00:05:27,962 But that's how it all began. 112 00:05:28,094 --> 00:05:29,471 This is a work of art. 113 00:05:29,595 --> 00:05:30,733 This is the kind of property 114 00:05:30,863 --> 00:05:31,967 I'm gonna be proud to put my name on. 115 00:05:32,065 --> 00:05:33,225 Are you writing this down, Ed? 116 00:05:33,333 --> 00:05:35,472 Sometimes I think making movies 117 00:05:35,601 --> 00:05:38,980 is... is kind of magical in a way, 118 00:05:39,105 --> 00:05:42,484 and there are a couple of different kinds of magic. 119 00:05:42,608 --> 00:05:45,714 You know, there's the magic that you see magicians do, 120 00:05:45,845 --> 00:05:47,722 like sleight-of-hand, and that's... 121 00:05:47,847 --> 00:05:49,349 And movies certainly have that. 122 00:05:49,482 --> 00:05:52,520 It's really about creating illusion, you know. 123 00:05:52,652 --> 00:05:57,499 And then there's that other kind of magic of... 124 00:05:57,623 --> 00:06:00,763 you know, the real... the real magic, 125 00:06:00,893 --> 00:06:04,807 you know, turning you know, water into wine, lead into gold, 126 00:06:04,931 --> 00:06:07,343 that kind of stuff, alchemy. 127 00:06:07,433 --> 00:06:10,642 And, uh, Peter has both of those kinds of magic. 128 00:06:10,770 --> 00:06:13,649 The... The latter kind, you know, the real magic, 129 00:06:13,773 --> 00:06:15,548 that comes out a lot with the vibe 130 00:06:15,675 --> 00:06:17,655 and the kind of atmosphere that you create 131 00:06:17,777 --> 00:06:19,916 for this thing to happen, you know. 132 00:06:20,046 --> 00:06:21,753 The balls that Peter would have 133 00:06:21,848 --> 00:06:23,885 to just hang on a moment 134 00:06:23,983 --> 00:06:27,954 and let the life go on between the actors in that moment, 135 00:06:28,087 --> 00:06:29,691 you know, rather than cutting, cutting, 136 00:06:29,822 --> 00:06:32,063 close... You know, he just let it sit there, you know? 137 00:06:33,726 --> 00:06:34,393 Mose, let's give him some money. 138 00:06:34,394 --> 00:06:36,499 Mose, let's give him some money. 139 00:06:36,596 --> 00:06:37,596 No! 140 00:06:37,697 --> 00:06:40,906 Just a little bit. We got $305.16. 141 00:06:41,033 --> 00:06:42,513 Whole 'nother business giving it away. 142 00:06:42,568 --> 00:06:44,047 It's bad enough you give away bibles. 143 00:06:44,137 --> 00:06:45,582 But they're poorly! 144 00:06:45,705 --> 00:06:47,378 The whole country's poorly. I told you before. 145 00:06:47,507 --> 00:06:49,578 But Frank D. Roosevelt said we gotta look out for one another. 146 00:06:49,709 --> 00:06:51,052 I don't care about Frank D. Roosevelt. 147 00:06:51,177 --> 00:06:52,520 But he says it. That so? 148 00:06:52,612 --> 00:06:53,852 Why don't you ask Frank D. Roosevelt 149 00:06:53,980 --> 00:06:55,516 what he thinks about taking care of himself? 150 00:06:55,615 --> 00:06:56,787 You think he don't eat off silver trays? 151 00:06:56,916 --> 00:06:57,986 He could eat off tabletops 152 00:06:58,117 --> 00:06:59,687 like the rest of us, but he don't. 153 00:06:59,819 --> 00:07:01,730 You know why? Because that would make him look common. 154 00:07:01,854 --> 00:07:03,800 And, besides, Frank D. Roosevelt ain't running this thing. 155 00:07:03,890 --> 00:07:05,665 I'm runnin' it, so don't you make up no rules 156 00:07:05,758 --> 00:07:06,793 about what we're gonna give away. 157 00:07:06,926 --> 00:07:08,405 It's my money, too, you know. 158 00:07:08,528 --> 00:07:10,530 $200 belongs to me, and don't you forget that. 159 00:07:10,663 --> 00:07:12,623 You want it? Well, just put my share in my pocket, 160 00:07:12,665 --> 00:07:13,700 and I'll take you to a train station. 161 00:07:13,833 --> 00:07:14,868 How do you like that? 162 00:07:17,637 --> 00:07:19,878 Get the map! Find out where the nearest depot is! 163 00:07:20,006 --> 00:07:21,086 Nothin' but trouble, anyway. 164 00:07:21,140 --> 00:07:22,140 First you charge too much. 165 00:07:22,208 --> 00:07:23,482 Then you want to give it away. 166 00:07:23,609 --> 00:07:24,609 Where are we now? 167 00:07:24,710 --> 00:07:25,814 We just left Plainfield. 168 00:07:25,912 --> 00:07:27,687 $12 for a bible. Then it's up to 24. 169 00:07:27,780 --> 00:07:30,488 If I stay with you, I'll spend the rest of my life in jail! 170 00:07:30,616 --> 00:07:31,492 There's a depot in Lincoln. 171 00:07:31,617 --> 00:07:32,857 You can take me to Lincoln! 172 00:07:32,985 --> 00:07:34,487 You bet I will. Where's Lincoln? 173 00:07:34,620 --> 00:07:35,860 Clear over there! Ah, boy. 174 00:07:35,988 --> 00:07:37,558 You think I'm gonna take you clear over there 175 00:07:37,690 --> 00:07:39,101 just to get you to some depot? 176 00:07:39,225 --> 00:07:41,432 Then keep going east. We'll hit one in Sylvan Grove. 177 00:07:41,561 --> 00:07:43,040 Where's Sylvan Grove? Right here! 178 00:07:43,162 --> 00:07:45,108 Well, th-that'll take us down through Lucas. 179 00:07:45,198 --> 00:07:47,318 You gotta go through something to get to Sylvan Grove. 180 00:07:47,467 --> 00:07:48,912 I am not complaining! I'm just saying it'll take you through Lucas. 181 00:07:49,035 --> 00:07:49,979 You gotta go through Paradise and Walden 182 00:07:50,069 --> 00:07:51,229 and Lorraine... Lorraine, huh? 183 00:07:51,471 --> 00:07:52,711 If you want to get to Sylvan Grove! 184 00:07:52,805 --> 00:07:53,840 Well, those are pretty good towns in there. 185 00:07:53,940 --> 00:07:54,850 We could do some business in there. 186 00:07:54,941 --> 00:07:56,021 Well, it won't matter much. 187 00:07:56,108 --> 00:07:57,451 We're near out of bibles anyway. 188 00:07:57,577 --> 00:07:58,851 What do you mean, we're out of bibles? 189 00:07:58,945 --> 00:08:00,447 Why didn't you tell me we were out of bibles? 190 00:08:00,546 --> 00:08:01,786 You look in the box, too, don't you? 191 00:08:01,914 --> 00:08:03,484 Well, you know, you got an excuse for everything. 192 00:08:03,616 --> 00:08:04,594 'Cause you blame me for everything. 193 00:08:04,684 --> 00:08:06,061 If we were running out of bibles, 194 00:08:06,185 --> 00:08:07,459 you should have told me we were running out of bibles! 195 00:08:07,553 --> 00:08:08,531 Well, we're running out of bibles! 196 00:08:08,654 --> 00:08:09,724 Well, then we gotta get new ones! 197 00:08:09,822 --> 00:08:10,822 Then let's get new ones! 198 00:08:10,923 --> 00:08:12,459 We can pick some up in Great Bend. 199 00:08:12,592 --> 00:08:13,730 Great Bend's the other way. 200 00:08:13,826 --> 00:08:15,669 Well, we gotta have bibles, don't we? 201 00:08:15,795 --> 00:08:18,071 Let's see now. We can veer down to Lucas, 202 00:08:18,197 --> 00:08:19,733 and we'll veer over to Wilson, 203 00:08:19,866 --> 00:08:21,743 veer off to Lorraine and Bushton. 204 00:08:21,868 --> 00:08:24,144 We could... We could veer off to Hoisington. 205 00:08:24,270 --> 00:08:26,910 Just have to keep on veering, that's all. 206 00:08:27,039 --> 00:08:29,019 I think if, like in "The Last Picture Show," 207 00:08:29,141 --> 00:08:31,018 whew... I even break... 208 00:08:31,143 --> 00:08:32,213 I'm just thinking about it. 209 00:08:32,545 --> 00:08:34,650 That last scene with Cloris and Tim. 210 00:08:34,780 --> 00:08:36,953 My God, every time I think about it, 211 00:08:37,083 --> 00:08:39,620 just amazing. 212 00:08:39,752 --> 00:08:41,925 I'm sorry I'm still in my bathrobe. 213 00:08:57,904 --> 00:09:00,646 What am I doing apologizing to you? 214 00:09:00,773 --> 00:09:04,550 Why am I always apologizing to you, you little bastard? 215 00:09:04,677 --> 00:09:06,197 Three months, I been apologizing to you 216 00:09:06,279 --> 00:09:07,917 without you even being here! 217 00:09:08,047 --> 00:09:09,856 I haven't done anything wrung. 218 00:09:09,982 --> 00:09:11,655 Why can't I quit apologizing? 219 00:09:11,751 --> 00:09:13,230 You're the one ought to be sorry! 220 00:09:13,553 --> 00:09:14,793 I wouldn't still be in my bathrobe. 221 00:09:14,921 --> 00:09:16,127 If it hadn't have been for you, 222 00:09:16,255 --> 00:09:18,064 I'd have had my clothes on hours ago. 223 00:09:18,190 --> 00:09:21,569 You're the one made me quit caring if I got dressed or not! 224 00:09:21,694 --> 00:09:25,574 Cloris, not too long ago, I was talking to her about that scene, 225 00:09:25,698 --> 00:09:27,803 and I said, "You know, that scene just kills me." 226 00:09:27,900 --> 00:09:29,580 And she goes, "Oh, I'm so pissed at Peter." 227 00:09:29,669 --> 00:09:30,739 I said, "What do you mean?" 228 00:09:30,870 --> 00:09:32,230 She says, "That was the first take. 229 00:09:32,305 --> 00:09:34,251 I could have done it so much better." 230 00:09:34,574 --> 00:09:36,679 I said, "Cloris, get outta here!" 231 00:09:36,776 --> 00:09:38,255 This weekend sees the opening 232 00:09:38,578 --> 00:09:40,956 of the Ninth Annual New York Film Festival 233 00:09:41,080 --> 00:09:44,220 at the Vivian Beaumont Theater at Lincoln Center in New York City. 234 00:09:44,350 --> 00:09:47,820 "Camera Three" today will focus on the work of two American directors, 235 00:09:47,954 --> 00:09:49,763 Peter Bogdanovich and Henry Jaglom, 236 00:09:49,889 --> 00:09:53,962 where Mr. Bogdanovich is represented by "The Last Picture Show" 237 00:09:54,060 --> 00:09:56,734 and Mr. Jaglom by "A Safe Place." 238 00:09:56,862 --> 00:09:59,866 How do you feel about having your film in it, the reaction? 239 00:09:59,999 --> 00:10:03,173 Well, I'm dying to see it with a big audience, you know. I never... 240 00:10:03,302 --> 00:10:07,773 I have only seen it, uh, with intimate groups of three, you know. 241 00:10:07,907 --> 00:10:10,046 And I'm dying to see it with... 242 00:10:10,176 --> 00:10:12,850 what is it, 800 people or something? Yeah. 243 00:10:12,979 --> 00:10:14,925 It's a rather heavy drama, 244 00:10:15,047 --> 00:10:17,857 but I'm looking forward to where they laugh on purpose. 245 00:10:19,652 --> 00:10:21,996 ♪ If you love me ♪ 246 00:10:22,121 --> 00:10:24,761 ♪ Half as much as I love you... ♪ 247 00:10:24,890 --> 00:10:26,733 I didn't take acting lessons before. 248 00:10:26,826 --> 00:10:29,739 So, certainly for me to have my first teacher be Peter Bogdanovich 249 00:10:29,829 --> 00:10:31,206 in one of the greatest movies 250 00:10:31,330 --> 00:10:34,140 of all time was just extraordinary. 251 00:10:34,266 --> 00:10:37,076 ♪ You're nice to me ♪ 252 00:10:37,203 --> 00:10:41,208 ♪ When there's no one else around... ♪ 253 00:10:41,340 --> 00:10:44,287 Owen Wilson and I were both very, very taken with that movie, 254 00:10:44,410 --> 00:10:46,287 and it has always meant a lot to us. 255 00:10:46,379 --> 00:10:48,017 And I think "Bottle Rocket," 256 00:10:48,114 --> 00:10:49,752 the first movie that I directed 257 00:10:49,849 --> 00:10:51,829 that Owen Wilson and I made together, 258 00:10:51,951 --> 00:10:55,091 we were probably trying to do our own version of "The Last Picture Show." 259 00:10:55,221 --> 00:10:58,964 The craziest thing is in my first shot in the movie, 260 00:10:59,091 --> 00:11:01,162 I come all the way back with Jeff Bridges, and I say... 261 00:11:01,260 --> 00:11:03,020 "Hi. What y'all doin' back here in the dark?" 262 00:11:03,095 --> 00:11:05,837 And right before I went to do my first take, 263 00:11:05,965 --> 00:11:07,911 Peter said to me, "I don't know 264 00:11:08,034 --> 00:11:10,981 who I'm more in love with, Cybill or Jacy." 265 00:11:11,103 --> 00:11:14,641 [laughs] 266 00:11:14,740 --> 00:11:16,344 So that was my... 267 00:11:16,676 --> 00:11:19,782 That was what was inspiring me when I went up that thing. 268 00:11:19,912 --> 00:11:22,256 I had that look on my face from him saying that. 269 00:11:22,848 --> 00:11:24,191 Do you think that "The Last Picture Show" 270 00:11:24,283 --> 00:11:26,923 is a John Ford type movie? 271 00:11:27,053 --> 00:11:29,795 No. I think it's a Peter Bogdanovich type movie. 272 00:11:29,922 --> 00:11:31,868 Well, were you influenced by John Ford, 273 00:11:31,991 --> 00:11:34,835 do you think, in the way it was made? 274 00:11:34,960 --> 00:11:38,669 Well, I think I've been influenced by all the movies I've seen. 275 00:11:38,764 --> 00:11:41,938 Peter became fucking famous. 276 00:11:42,068 --> 00:11:46,244 I mean, I was too young to actually really realize how famous he was, 277 00:11:46,372 --> 00:11:48,682 but the fact that I knew Peter Bogdanovich 278 00:11:48,808 --> 00:11:50,754 did "The Last Picture Show" when I was in first grade 279 00:11:50,876 --> 00:11:51,820 should have told you something. 280 00:11:51,911 --> 00:11:54,391 ♪ We must remember this ♪ 281 00:11:54,714 --> 00:11:56,318 C-minor seventh? 282 00:12:00,019 --> 00:12:03,228 ♪ A kiss is still a kiss ♪ 283 00:12:03,322 --> 00:12:05,962 ANNOUNCER: In a rare glimpse of two artists at work, 284 00:12:06,092 --> 00:12:07,696 we are afforded an insight 285 00:12:07,827 --> 00:12:09,738 into how director Peter Bogdanovich, 286 00:12:09,862 --> 00:12:13,105 working with stars Barbra Streisand and Ryan O'Neal 287 00:12:13,199 --> 00:12:16,180 can manage to put these two performers together 288 00:12:16,302 --> 00:12:19,044 and create that almost indefinable thing 289 00:12:19,171 --> 00:12:22,243 which is most simply described as a motion picture 290 00:12:22,341 --> 00:12:24,446 called "What's Up, Doc?" 291 00:12:24,777 --> 00:12:28,122 ♪ ...goes by ♪ 292 00:12:28,247 --> 00:12:30,193 I didn't even know they were shooting that. 293 00:12:30,316 --> 00:12:32,057 Well, Laszlo comes up to me, 294 00:12:32,184 --> 00:12:33,624 and he says, "Barbra's being made up, 295 00:12:33,786 --> 00:12:35,766 "and it's a very complicated camera move. 296 00:12:35,888 --> 00:12:36,968 Could you rehearse it once?" 297 00:12:37,056 --> 00:12:38,729 I said, "Sure." 298 00:12:38,858 --> 00:12:42,396 Behind my back, they turn on... they turned it on. 299 00:12:42,495 --> 00:12:46,170 And then when it was over, they just did that for sync, you know. 300 00:12:46,298 --> 00:12:48,278 I didn't know that. 301 00:12:48,400 --> 00:12:51,142 And, uh, John Calley calls me up, 302 00:12:51,270 --> 00:12:53,011 the head of the studio, the next day. 303 00:12:53,105 --> 00:12:54,880 He says, "Have you seen the dailies yet?" I said, "No." 304 00:12:55,007 --> 00:12:56,179 He says, "Well, you're in for a surprise." 305 00:12:56,308 --> 00:12:57,343 I said, "What are you talking about?" 306 00:12:57,476 --> 00:12:58,477 He says, "You'll see." 307 00:12:58,811 --> 00:13:00,882 Comes on, and I said, "Oh, my God! 308 00:13:00,980 --> 00:13:03,051 You shot it, Laszlo!" Everybody laughed. 309 00:13:03,182 --> 00:13:04,490 ♪ What the future... ♪ 310 00:13:04,817 --> 00:13:07,457 It was so funny when I went to kiss Ryan and all that, 311 00:13:07,787 --> 00:13:09,824 that they used it. [laughter] 312 00:13:09,955 --> 00:13:10,288 If you want to see how famous Peter is, 313 00:13:10,289 --> 00:13:12,235 If you want to see how famous Peter is, 314 00:13:12,358 --> 00:13:15,498 watch the trailers for his first movies. 315 00:13:15,828 --> 00:13:17,432 And this is Ryan O'Neal. 316 00:13:17,563 --> 00:13:19,839 You remember him from "Love Story" and... 317 00:13:19,965 --> 00:13:21,808 "Peyton Place." "Peyton Place," 318 00:13:21,934 --> 00:13:23,971 and "Games"... "Wild Rovers." 319 00:13:24,103 --> 00:13:26,481 and "The Big Bounce" was one of his bigger hits. 320 00:13:26,806 --> 00:13:27,807 Also, a Warner Bros... 321 00:13:27,940 --> 00:13:28,941 Miss Barbra Streisand over here. 322 00:13:29,074 --> 00:13:30,815 You remember her from "Funny Face." 323 00:13:30,943 --> 00:13:33,446 Barbra Streisand has never been so inconsequential 324 00:13:33,579 --> 00:13:36,492 to a trailer for a Barbra Streisand movie ever. 325 00:13:36,816 --> 00:13:40,093 Because it was the day in the life of groovy Peter Bogdanovich 326 00:13:40,219 --> 00:13:42,199 making his groovy movie called "What's Up, Doc?" 327 00:13:42,321 --> 00:13:44,824 "And here's my friends Babs and Ryan." 328 00:13:45,191 --> 00:13:47,330 ANNOUNCER: This is San Francisco, 329 00:13:47,426 --> 00:13:49,372 the city chosen by one of the most brilliant 330 00:13:49,495 --> 00:13:53,409 and sensitive new generation of filmmakers, Peter Bogdanovich. 331 00:13:53,532 --> 00:13:55,375 Watch the trailers for "What's Up, Doc?" 332 00:13:55,501 --> 00:13:57,071 Watch the trailers for "Daisy Miller." 333 00:13:57,169 --> 00:13:59,115 Watch the trailers for "Paper Moon." 334 00:13:59,238 --> 00:14:01,411 Watch the trailers for "Saint Jack." 335 00:14:01,540 --> 00:14:04,077 They're trailers of Peter making the movie. 336 00:14:04,210 --> 00:14:08,420 ANNOUNCER: This year, Peter Bogdanovich 337 00:14:08,547 --> 00:14:13,018 has made a movie in color, "Daisy Miller," 338 00:14:13,152 --> 00:14:14,495 starring Cybill Shepherd. 339 00:14:14,587 --> 00:14:16,032 TARANTINO: That's what we're selling. 340 00:14:16,155 --> 00:14:17,595 We're selling Peter's making a movie. 341 00:14:17,857 --> 00:14:21,828 BOGDANOVICH: When success came, I remember Orson Welles 342 00:14:21,961 --> 00:14:24,874 said to me at one point, "You don't know who you are." 343 00:14:24,997 --> 00:14:28,843 'Cause he was telling me to get a print from Hollywood to send to Paris, 344 00:14:28,934 --> 00:14:30,436 And I said, "I don't think they'll do that." 345 00:14:30,569 --> 00:14:32,412 He says, "You ask them to, they'll do it. 346 00:14:32,538 --> 00:14:34,040 You don't know who you are." 347 00:14:34,173 --> 00:14:36,983 And he was right. I didn't know. 348 00:14:37,109 --> 00:14:39,146 Because during that very successful period, 349 00:14:39,278 --> 00:14:42,191 I remember feeling sort of strange, 350 00:14:42,314 --> 00:14:44,385 like everybody hated me 351 00:14:44,483 --> 00:14:46,429 or was looking at me in strange ways, 352 00:14:46,552 --> 00:14:48,327 and I look back on it now, 353 00:14:48,454 --> 00:14:50,263 and I think I was just uncomfortable. 354 00:14:50,389 --> 00:14:52,335 Except when I was alone with Cybill. 355 00:14:52,458 --> 00:14:57,134 TARANTINO: He guest hosted the Johnny Carson show twice. 356 00:14:57,229 --> 00:15:00,267 Johnny Carson, who never had directors even on as guests. 357 00:15:00,399 --> 00:15:04,006 Peter hosted it, hosted it twice. 358 00:15:04,103 --> 00:15:05,582 They're waiting to kill us both. 359 00:15:05,905 --> 00:15:08,408 No. Listen, this is part of the... 360 00:15:08,540 --> 00:15:10,019 what I call the envy barrier. 361 00:15:10,109 --> 00:15:11,417 Yeah, what is that? 362 00:15:11,543 --> 00:15:12,544 What is that, the envy barrier? It's success. 363 00:15:12,645 --> 00:15:14,625 No. When you.. 364 00:15:14,947 --> 00:15:16,426 When you're as successful as you are 365 00:15:16,548 --> 00:15:20,462 and you have a gorgeous lady, as you do have... 366 00:15:20,586 --> 00:15:21,621 Who is that? 367 00:15:21,954 --> 00:15:24,298 [laughter] What is her name, anyway? 368 00:15:24,390 --> 00:15:25,460 Cybill, uh... 369 00:15:25,591 --> 00:15:26,592 Yeah, let's not discuss what... Yes. 370 00:15:26,926 --> 00:15:28,064 Right. Go ahead. 371 00:15:28,193 --> 00:15:30,901 You have her. You have four pictures in a row 372 00:15:30,996 --> 00:15:32,566 that make, like, $30 million. 373 00:15:32,698 --> 00:15:34,177 A guy has to learn to hate you. 374 00:15:34,300 --> 00:15:35,370 [laughter] 375 00:15:35,501 --> 00:15:37,447 TARANTINO: But Peter got slammed big time 376 00:15:37,536 --> 00:15:39,016 for doing those talk show appearances, 377 00:15:39,104 --> 00:15:40,606 for being on the "Dinah Shore Show," 378 00:15:40,940 --> 00:15:42,180 for, you know, going on talk shows 379 00:15:42,274 --> 00:15:43,981 and being funny and doing impersonations 380 00:15:44,109 --> 00:15:46,453 and chatting people up, and, you know, like, 381 00:15:46,578 --> 00:15:49,354 how dare a director try to be that much of a celebrity? 382 00:15:49,481 --> 00:15:52,325 And I got accused of that myself, but I didn't care much, 383 00:15:52,418 --> 00:15:54,193 and no one cares about that now anyway, 384 00:15:54,320 --> 00:15:56,061 and directors are always on talk shows now. 385 00:15:56,188 --> 00:15:59,067 MAN: I think that people resented how famous he was 386 00:15:59,158 --> 00:16:01,331 and just how much about his life they knew about, 387 00:16:01,427 --> 00:16:02,929 whereas somebody like Scorsese, 388 00:16:03,028 --> 00:16:04,473 people don't know who he was with on a Saturday, 389 00:16:04,596 --> 00:16:05,836 you know, and people don't care, 390 00:16:05,965 --> 00:16:08,070 but with Bogdanovich, his personality 391 00:16:08,200 --> 00:16:10,476 was so in the public consciousness. 392 00:16:10,602 --> 00:16:12,479 [jazz playing] 393 00:16:18,043 --> 00:16:27,555 ♪ Why can't you behave? ♪ 394 00:16:29,989 --> 00:16:39,706 ♪ Oh, why can't you behave? ♪ 395 00:16:40,032 --> 00:16:42,308 He was, uh, really successful 396 00:16:42,434 --> 00:16:44,414 really young, 28, 29, 397 00:16:44,536 --> 00:16:47,278 and, um, Peter's very humble now. 398 00:16:47,406 --> 00:16:48,510 He wasn't always humble. 399 00:16:48,607 --> 00:16:51,019 We all know that. Um... 400 00:16:51,143 --> 00:16:52,863 especially people that were working with him 401 00:16:53,012 --> 00:16:54,320 when he was younger know that. 402 00:16:54,446 --> 00:16:56,050 BRIDGES: People often think of him, 403 00:16:56,181 --> 00:16:59,390 uh, he's a very arrogant, highfalutin, 404 00:16:59,518 --> 00:17:02,328 full of himself cat, you know. 405 00:17:02,454 --> 00:17:04,263 And he is all those things, 406 00:17:04,356 --> 00:17:06,996 but he's also very down-to-earth 407 00:17:07,126 --> 00:17:10,539 and has a whole other side that... 408 00:17:10,629 --> 00:17:13,303 the public, uh, is probably not privy to, I think. 409 00:17:13,432 --> 00:17:16,572 It's not that he was arrogant in my mind, 410 00:17:16,702 --> 00:17:19,080 as much as that he... he was confident 411 00:17:19,204 --> 00:17:20,581 and that he was confident 412 00:17:20,706 --> 00:17:23,619 in that he actually really knew what he was doing 413 00:17:23,742 --> 00:17:26,746 and what he wanted, and he was very sure 414 00:17:27,079 --> 00:17:28,558 that he was going to have it, 415 00:17:28,647 --> 00:17:31,423 and that can be confusing to people. 416 00:17:31,517 --> 00:17:34,430 And then he was very sensitive within all that. 417 00:17:34,553 --> 00:17:38,729 So if he became loud or very direct, 418 00:17:39,058 --> 00:17:41,436 people thought he was an asshole. 419 00:17:41,560 --> 00:17:45,440 He was really fighting for what he believed in. 420 00:17:45,564 --> 00:17:47,703 You know, I remember waiting outside "The New York Times" 421 00:17:47,800 --> 00:17:49,711 for their review of "The Last Picture Show," 422 00:17:49,835 --> 00:17:52,111 which is, of course, one of the greatest reviews ever. 423 00:17:52,237 --> 00:17:54,308 We did the same thing for "At Long Last Love," 424 00:17:54,406 --> 00:17:56,386 only it was the opposite reaction. 425 00:17:56,508 --> 00:17:58,317 People just hated that movie, 426 00:17:58,444 --> 00:18:00,219 and they hated us, and they hated 427 00:18:00,345 --> 00:18:02,586 that we seemed like we had it all. 428 00:18:02,681 --> 00:18:07,391 I thought he took... took a bad rap with Cybill Shepherd. 429 00:18:08,087 --> 00:18:10,533 I... I think people went too much the other way. 430 00:18:10,656 --> 00:18:13,068 MARSHALL: Sometimes you get caught up 431 00:18:13,192 --> 00:18:14,832 in what I call the other side of Hollywood 432 00:18:15,127 --> 00:18:16,538 and in the publicity of it all, 433 00:18:16,662 --> 00:18:18,335 and... and you forget about, 434 00:18:18,430 --> 00:18:19,710 you know, what you're here to do, 435 00:18:19,765 --> 00:18:22,143 which is make movies and tell stories. 436 00:18:22,267 --> 00:18:23,610 Certainly, he had a relationship 437 00:18:23,702 --> 00:18:25,648 with Cybill Shepherd, and that ended. 438 00:18:25,771 --> 00:18:27,773 Peter thought there was so much noise 439 00:18:28,107 --> 00:18:30,144 that was not about the stories that he was telling, 440 00:18:30,275 --> 00:18:31,549 that he wanted to take a break 441 00:18:31,677 --> 00:18:34,089 and then come back in a kind of a different way 442 00:18:34,213 --> 00:18:36,625 to tell a different story like "Saint Jack." 443 00:18:36,715 --> 00:18:39,753 [music playing] 444 00:18:39,885 --> 00:18:41,645 BOGDANOVICH: We're on the island of Singapore 445 00:18:41,753 --> 00:18:43,426 making a movie here. 446 00:18:43,555 --> 00:18:45,296 Singapore's in the South China Sea 447 00:18:45,424 --> 00:18:46,624 right off the coast of Malaya. 448 00:18:46,658 --> 00:18:48,228 They call it Malaysia now. 449 00:18:48,360 --> 00:18:50,499 Singapore, it's kind of like a United States of Asia. 450 00:18:50,629 --> 00:18:51,767 2 1/2 million people 451 00:18:51,897 --> 00:18:53,501 on an island not much bigger than Manhattan, 452 00:18:53,632 --> 00:18:55,373 Chinese people from every province, 453 00:18:55,467 --> 00:18:59,813 Malays, Tamils, Sikhs, Ceylonese, Eurasians, 454 00:19:00,139 --> 00:19:01,812 and, of course, the any mo. 455 00:19:02,141 --> 00:19:04,121 That's what they call us over here, redheads, 456 00:19:04,243 --> 00:19:07,588 the English, the Australians, and a few Americans. 457 00:19:07,713 --> 00:19:09,124 The picture we're making 458 00:19:09,214 --> 00:19:12,195 is about one of those Americans, Jack Flowers. 459 00:19:12,317 --> 00:19:13,796 Jack's a pimp. 460 00:19:13,886 --> 00:19:16,560 Mr. Flowers, you're... you're a ponce, aren't you? 461 00:19:16,688 --> 00:19:18,793 It's hard to say what anyone is. 462 00:19:18,924 --> 00:19:21,302 Well, I only mention it, because, personally speaking, 463 00:19:21,426 --> 00:19:23,167 I can never bring myself to pay. 464 00:19:23,295 --> 00:19:25,832 William, people make love for so many crazy reasons. 465 00:19:26,165 --> 00:19:27,525 Why shouldn't money be one of them? 466 00:19:27,833 --> 00:19:29,278 MAN: I got a call that night. 467 00:19:29,368 --> 00:19:32,144 He said, "Ben, I'm thinking of doing a picture in Singapore. 468 00:19:32,237 --> 00:19:33,477 I'd like you to do it." 469 00:19:33,605 --> 00:19:35,414 I said, "That's terrific." 470 00:19:35,507 --> 00:19:36,747 He says, "Yeah, I have a script. 471 00:19:36,842 --> 00:19:38,412 "Why don't you come by the house, 472 00:19:38,544 --> 00:19:39,818 "have a drink tonight, and I'll give you 473 00:19:39,945 --> 00:19:41,481 the script. See if you like it." 474 00:19:41,613 --> 00:19:42,887 And it was "Saint Jack." 475 00:19:43,215 --> 00:19:45,593 I read it. I didn't like it. I loved it. 476 00:19:45,717 --> 00:19:46,821 Jack. Yeah? 477 00:19:46,952 --> 00:19:48,158 You knowing the two? 478 00:19:48,287 --> 00:19:49,698 Oh, yeah, I know him. Hi, Henry. 479 00:19:49,788 --> 00:19:51,165 They're okay, honey. 480 00:19:51,256 --> 00:19:52,428 Good evening. 481 00:19:52,558 --> 00:19:53,866 Good evening. 482 00:19:54,193 --> 00:19:55,433 Beautiful. Where's she from? 483 00:19:55,561 --> 00:19:56,562 Ceylon. 484 00:19:56,695 --> 00:19:58,174 Ceylon? Yeah. 485 00:19:58,297 --> 00:19:59,469 They call it Sri Lanka now. 486 00:19:59,598 --> 00:20:00,474 Yeah, I know. 487 00:20:00,599 --> 00:20:01,839 Screwed up all the names. 488 00:20:01,934 --> 00:20:05,472 Zanzibar, the Congo, Siam, Persia, 489 00:20:05,604 --> 00:20:07,379 all gone. 490 00:20:07,506 --> 00:20:10,646 MAN: Really, some people were killed because of that fucking thing! 491 00:20:10,776 --> 00:20:13,188 Just a minute, huh? Yeah, sure. 492 00:20:13,278 --> 00:20:15,918 The first review I ever wrote of anything, 493 00:20:16,248 --> 00:20:17,727 for my high school newspaper, 494 00:20:17,816 --> 00:20:21,389 I wrote a piece about seeing Ben Gazzara off-Broadway 495 00:20:21,520 --> 00:20:25,229 in Calder Willingham's play, "End as a Man." 496 00:20:25,357 --> 00:20:26,802 I was electrified by Benny. 497 00:20:26,925 --> 00:20:28,927 He was the most exciting young actor 498 00:20:29,261 --> 00:20:31,468 to come along in New York since Brando. 499 00:20:31,597 --> 00:20:36,603 I'd never seen such explosive silence. 500 00:20:36,735 --> 00:20:38,373 I met him in '77 501 00:20:38,503 --> 00:20:42,508 when John Cassavetes was making, um, "Opening Night" 502 00:20:42,641 --> 00:20:46,248 and he invited me to the set to be a recognizable extra. 503 00:20:46,378 --> 00:20:49,222 I am so drunk, I can hardly stand on these two feet. 504 00:20:49,314 --> 00:20:50,520 I wouldn't know. 505 00:20:50,649 --> 00:20:51,957 I will call you when I'm a little clearer? 506 00:20:52,284 --> 00:20:52,955 Promise? 507 00:20:53,285 --> 00:20:54,285 Peter? Peter? 508 00:20:54,353 --> 00:20:56,230 And I was introduced to Benny, 509 00:20:56,321 --> 00:20:57,493 and then we all had lunch, 510 00:20:57,589 --> 00:20:59,364 and Benny said, "Order whatever you want." 511 00:20:59,458 --> 00:21:01,631 "John's paying. John's paying. Order what you like." 512 00:21:01,727 --> 00:21:03,764 Then he used to do that with me later in Singapore. 513 00:21:03,895 --> 00:21:04,839 He'd say, "Whatever you like, 514 00:21:04,963 --> 00:21:06,909 Peter's paying" [laughs] 515 00:21:07,032 --> 00:21:09,842 So "Saint Jack" was kind of... I remember seeing that movie 516 00:21:09,968 --> 00:21:11,777 and being so happy for Peter, 517 00:21:11,903 --> 00:21:14,782 because it was like kind of a shot in the arm, you know. 518 00:21:14,873 --> 00:21:16,910 He had gotten into these bigger productions, 519 00:21:17,009 --> 00:21:18,818 you know, more money to work with, 520 00:21:18,944 --> 00:21:21,254 and with "Saint Jack," he didn't. 521 00:21:21,380 --> 00:21:23,451 It was down and dirty. It was just like, 522 00:21:23,582 --> 00:21:25,459 you know, "Last Picture Show" days, you know. 523 00:21:25,584 --> 00:21:27,962 And he... God, he pulled that off so brilliantly. 524 00:21:28,287 --> 00:21:30,528 And as you pan, there's Denholm 525 00:21:30,622 --> 00:21:32,260 standing there, looking at her. 526 00:21:32,391 --> 00:21:35,531 Peter and I and George Morfogen, his dear friend, 527 00:21:35,627 --> 00:21:37,664 great actor, too, on his own. 528 00:21:37,796 --> 00:21:40,276 He was in "They All Laughed." Yeah. 529 00:21:40,365 --> 00:21:42,971 But there he was just there protecting Peter's back. 530 00:21:43,302 --> 00:21:44,474 Peter said, "What would you think 531 00:21:44,603 --> 00:21:46,446 about being associate producer?" 532 00:21:46,571 --> 00:21:49,552 And the first thing I said... And I remember exactly. 533 00:21:49,641 --> 00:21:51,416 I don't always remember exactly, but I remember, yeah. 534 00:21:51,543 --> 00:21:53,420 I said, "Peter, I've never done that." 535 00:21:53,512 --> 00:21:54,991 He said, "I know." 536 00:21:55,314 --> 00:21:58,557 And then I was in Singapore not long after that. 537 00:21:58,817 --> 00:22:01,423 So we'd meet every night in Peter's room 538 00:22:01,520 --> 00:22:04,865 and write the scene that we were gonna shoot the next day, 539 00:22:04,990 --> 00:22:06,833 and it was so exciting. 540 00:22:06,925 --> 00:22:10,498 I mean, really involved with the creation of the pimp. 541 00:22:10,629 --> 00:22:12,370 And we walked around Singapore together. 542 00:22:12,497 --> 00:22:14,306 We went to the cathouses, you know, 543 00:22:14,566 --> 00:22:17,979 the... all the older places 544 00:22:18,103 --> 00:22:20,879 that are not there anymore, Bugis Street. 545 00:22:21,006 --> 00:22:23,850 Benny and I had some female interaction 546 00:22:23,942 --> 00:22:25,717 when we were doing "Saint Jack," 547 00:22:25,811 --> 00:22:28,018 and I heard about his life, 548 00:22:28,347 --> 00:22:30,020 he heard about mine, 549 00:22:30,349 --> 00:22:33,489 and I thought it would be interesting to make a movie about that, 550 00:22:33,618 --> 00:22:37,589 about, you know, sex in the city. 551 00:22:37,723 --> 00:22:38,963 [chuckles] 552 00:22:45,897 --> 00:22:48,673 WOMAN: Director Peter Bogdanovich is in New York City 553 00:22:48,800 --> 00:22:51,007 to shoot his new comedy, "They All Laughed." 554 00:22:51,136 --> 00:22:54,049 The film stars Audrey Hepburn, John Ritter, and Ben Gazzara. 555 00:22:54,373 --> 00:22:55,784 Bogdanovich returned last year 556 00:22:55,907 --> 00:22:57,909 with the critically acclaimed "Saint Jack," 557 00:22:58,043 --> 00:23:00,080 winning Best Picture in the Venice Film Festival. 558 00:23:00,412 --> 00:23:02,892 They hope to recapture that magic here in New York 559 00:23:02,981 --> 00:23:05,655 as they round out the cast with Audrey's sun, Sean Ferrer, 560 00:23:05,784 --> 00:23:07,388 and Bogdanovich's daughters, 561 00:23:07,519 --> 00:23:10,398 as well as George Morfogen, Colleen Camp, 562 00:23:10,522 --> 00:23:13,696 model Patti Hansen, and Playmate of the Year, Dorothy Stratten. 563 00:23:13,825 --> 00:23:15,964 Well, Peter, good luck in the Big Apple. 564 00:23:16,094 --> 00:23:18,597 [music playing] 565 00:23:50,896 --> 00:23:55,538 TARANTINO: There was a real breeziness about the film that... 566 00:23:55,634 --> 00:23:59,946 On one hand, it made it not look American at all. 567 00:24:00,071 --> 00:24:03,484 It brought to mind, um, 568 00:24:03,608 --> 00:24:06,088 movies that would take place in Paris. 569 00:24:06,211 --> 00:24:09,021 Bogdanovich made that summer in New York 570 00:24:09,147 --> 00:24:12,822 seem like Paris at its most magical 571 00:24:12,951 --> 00:24:14,760 in its most loved film. 572 00:24:14,886 --> 00:24:17,423 Even with all of Woody Allen's love letters to New York, 573 00:24:17,522 --> 00:24:20,162 there was never a New York quite as magical. 574 00:24:20,492 --> 00:24:21,994 All of a sudden, it's a New York 575 00:24:22,127 --> 00:24:24,129 full of nice people doing nice things, 576 00:24:24,463 --> 00:24:27,842 and there actually really is no true melodrama in the movie. 577 00:24:27,933 --> 00:24:32,575 The people meet each other and... and ultimately hook up. 578 00:24:32,704 --> 00:24:37,710 And there's just this fizzy Coke can freshness 579 00:24:37,843 --> 00:24:41,586 and, uh, little bubbles about the whole movie. 580 00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:44,593 "They All Laughed," it has this sort of fantasy thing. 581 00:24:44,683 --> 00:24:47,129 You know, it moves among all these characters. 582 00:24:47,219 --> 00:24:50,132 The story is not very important. 583 00:24:50,255 --> 00:24:52,633 It's just a little thread to keep them all interacting 584 00:24:52,757 --> 00:24:56,466 and keep these romances and these kind of love affairs among them 585 00:24:56,561 --> 00:24:58,802 and its friendships mixing around. 586 00:24:58,930 --> 00:25:02,002 I can see why he feels like it's the most distilled version 587 00:25:02,133 --> 00:25:05,637 of what he's most drawn to as a filmmaker. 588 00:25:05,770 --> 00:25:09,013 I'll tell you, this movie is an interesting film. 589 00:25:09,140 --> 00:25:10,619 I... I recommend it highly. 590 00:25:10,709 --> 00:25:12,882 It's a different kind of a detective story. 591 00:25:13,011 --> 00:25:16,083 Ben Gazzara and I... and me, and... 592 00:25:16,214 --> 00:25:18,160 Me. Me, John. I, me. 593 00:25:18,250 --> 00:25:19,558 No, you're not in it. 594 00:25:19,684 --> 00:25:21,061 No, I'm not in it. I know. 595 00:25:21,186 --> 00:25:22,756 And this guy named Blaine Novak, 596 00:25:22,854 --> 00:25:25,698 who is, uh, one of the last of the hippies. 597 00:25:25,824 --> 00:25:28,031 The three of us are detectives, 598 00:25:28,126 --> 00:25:30,163 and it's a different kind of detective story, 599 00:25:30,262 --> 00:25:32,173 and we're following around beautiful women. 600 00:25:32,297 --> 00:25:34,971 I like the beginning, where you don't know what's gonna happen. 601 00:25:35,100 --> 00:25:38,809 It's very, um, tantalizing, because you don't know... 602 00:25:38,937 --> 00:25:40,644 There's something that's slightly unsavory 603 00:25:40,772 --> 00:25:42,979 or shadowy about these people coming in... 604 00:25:43,108 --> 00:25:44,948 There's a lot of characters who are introduced. 605 00:25:44,976 --> 00:25:46,136 Then, of course the helicopter 606 00:25:46,311 --> 00:25:47,984 comes down. Audrey Hepburn emerges. 607 00:25:48,113 --> 00:25:49,524 It's like a total 608 00:25:49,648 --> 00:25:52,652 movie star entrance of this legendary actress. 609 00:25:52,751 --> 00:25:53,957 But she's... you know, 610 00:25:54,085 --> 00:25:56,929 almost filmed almost like a... like a paparazzi. 611 00:25:57,055 --> 00:26:00,935 And we see everyone's perspective. 612 00:26:01,026 --> 00:26:04,200 It's like everyone is in everyone else's crosshairs. 613 00:26:04,296 --> 00:26:08,711 I think that's much harder to do than it looks. 614 00:26:08,833 --> 00:26:11,541 To me, it looks effortless. 615 00:26:11,670 --> 00:26:14,116 A movie I saw that I loved was "Rio Bravo," 616 00:26:14,239 --> 00:26:17,015 which begins with a sequence that runs about five minutes, 617 00:26:17,142 --> 00:26:21,215 sets up the entire story without any word of dialogue. 618 00:26:21,346 --> 00:26:24,555 And originally the opening of "They All Laughed" had no dialogue. 619 00:26:24,649 --> 00:26:26,151 You could see them talking, but you don't hear it. 620 00:26:26,284 --> 00:26:28,264 Then later, after I screened it a couple times, 621 00:26:28,587 --> 00:26:30,089 I realized I needed to throw in a couple of words 622 00:26:30,188 --> 00:26:31,633 just here and there, the, "Wife," 623 00:26:31,756 --> 00:26:33,167 just a few words here 624 00:26:33,291 --> 00:26:36,101 just to give the audience a little bit of a hint. 625 00:26:36,227 --> 00:26:38,605 My wife. How do you do, Mrs. Niotes? 626 00:26:38,730 --> 00:26:40,607 I'm glad you got my cable. 627 00:26:43,602 --> 00:26:44,774 It's one of those films 628 00:26:44,903 --> 00:26:47,110 that it's sort of a last hurrah for the seventies. 629 00:26:47,205 --> 00:26:48,980 I know there's this kind of battle 630 00:26:49,107 --> 00:26:51,849 between what film was kind of the last film of the seventies. 631 00:26:51,943 --> 00:26:53,980 You know, I've heard "Blowout" mentioned. 632 00:26:54,079 --> 00:26:55,922 Obviously, "Heaven's Gate." 633 00:26:56,047 --> 00:26:58,152 But to me, "They All Laughed" is kind of like 634 00:26:58,283 --> 00:27:00,283 the end of that very personal period of filmmaking. 635 00:27:00,385 --> 00:27:02,922 The way Peter moves the camera around 636 00:27:03,054 --> 00:27:08,265 and the kind of gentle approach with blocking and staging 637 00:27:08,360 --> 00:27:11,341 that he's had over the years, longer takes. 638 00:27:11,663 --> 00:27:12,869 There's American reference, 639 00:27:12,964 --> 00:27:15,342 but the European one, I think, is Renoir. 640 00:27:15,667 --> 00:27:17,613 I think that movie, of all Peter's movies, 641 00:27:17,702 --> 00:27:22,082 has a kind of spirit that I feel like I really connect to 642 00:27:22,207 --> 00:27:23,618 and I think about a lot, 643 00:27:23,708 --> 00:27:25,654 you know, when I'm making my own movies. 644 00:27:25,777 --> 00:27:30,021 Modern movies are... exist because of Peter. 645 00:27:30,115 --> 00:27:34,894 His OCD filmmaking where he's paying attention to every little detail, 646 00:27:35,020 --> 00:27:36,761 we see that in a Wes Anderson film, 647 00:27:36,855 --> 00:27:39,836 where he actually makes these maps in these Criterion discs 648 00:27:39,958 --> 00:27:42,063 where you get to see the whole universe 649 00:27:42,193 --> 00:27:43,638 and all the blueprints of everything. 650 00:27:43,762 --> 00:27:45,482 There's something so modern about that movie 651 00:27:45,697 --> 00:27:48,337 at the same time that it's in touch with what came before it. 652 00:27:48,667 --> 00:27:50,707 You want to watch "They All Laughed" multiple times. 653 00:27:50,802 --> 00:27:52,839 You want to study the film. 654 00:27:52,971 --> 00:27:55,349 That's how I think it's influenced Wes Anderson and Quentin Tarantino. 655 00:27:55,674 --> 00:27:58,086 It's... it's hyper cinema. 656 00:27:58,209 --> 00:27:59,916 Daddy, can I have a pineapple? 657 00:28:00,011 --> 00:28:01,684 What are you gonna do with a pineapple in school? 658 00:28:01,813 --> 00:28:02,853 Who's gonna cut it for you? 659 00:28:02,881 --> 00:28:04,321 Your mother will buy you a pineapple. 660 00:28:04,382 --> 00:28:05,382 How is your mother? 661 00:28:05,450 --> 00:28:06,656 She's okay. She's okay. 662 00:28:06,785 --> 00:28:08,321 She threw a jar of roses at Dad. 663 00:28:08,453 --> 00:28:09,864 I mean at Cliff. Roses, huh? 664 00:28:09,988 --> 00:28:11,661 I don't know why I called him Dad. 665 00:28:11,756 --> 00:28:12,916 I don't call him that anymore. 666 00:28:12,991 --> 00:28:14,031 Don't worry about it, kid. 667 00:28:14,125 --> 00:28:15,832 Mummy likes for us to call him Dad. 668 00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:17,200 No, she doesn't care. 669 00:28:17,295 --> 00:28:19,241 Don't worry about it. This is kid shit. 670 00:28:19,364 --> 00:28:20,672 Call the guy whatever you want. 671 00:28:20,799 --> 00:28:22,870 I mean, you see a lot more of him than me. 672 00:28:23,001 --> 00:28:24,344 I'm the one who left. 673 00:28:24,469 --> 00:28:26,813 We're just investigating my father's life. 674 00:28:26,938 --> 00:28:29,282 My mom is a whole 'nother complicated issue, 675 00:28:29,407 --> 00:28:30,818 and she suffered, 676 00:28:30,942 --> 00:28:32,285 and she had a lot of success, 677 00:28:32,410 --> 00:28:35,391 but with success comes a lot of other things. 678 00:28:35,714 --> 00:28:40,959 Peter got a job in a summer stock company, 1961, in Phoenicia, New York. 679 00:28:41,086 --> 00:28:43,999 Through that job, he met Polly, 680 00:28:44,122 --> 00:28:47,399 and then they married soon after in New York, 681 00:28:47,726 --> 00:28:50,002 and I was the best man, 682 00:28:50,128 --> 00:28:52,301 and there were only three of us in the room. 683 00:28:52,430 --> 00:28:55,172 It was a very strong professional relationship. 684 00:28:55,300 --> 00:28:58,144 She's a terrific designer and a great aesthetic, 685 00:28:58,269 --> 00:28:59,976 and they worked well together. 686 00:29:00,071 --> 00:29:02,847 But people change and prefer other things 687 00:29:02,941 --> 00:29:04,113 or prefer other people. 688 00:29:04,242 --> 00:29:05,983 Sometimes we wish you were together. 689 00:29:06,077 --> 00:29:08,318 But then we wouldn't have met Christy or Alicia. 690 00:29:08,446 --> 00:29:11,984 I like how, with the two lead male characters, 691 00:29:12,117 --> 00:29:13,790 with John Ritter and Ben Gazzara, that, 692 00:29:13,918 --> 00:29:15,898 you know, there are big parts of Peter Bogdanovich 693 00:29:16,020 --> 00:29:17,021 in both of those characters. 694 00:29:17,155 --> 00:29:18,395 I mean, physically, you know, 695 00:29:18,523 --> 00:29:20,059 with the glasses that John Ritter's wearing. 696 00:29:20,191 --> 00:29:23,263 I mean, there's many obvious signs. 697 00:29:23,361 --> 00:29:25,170 But then, also, the fact that the girls 698 00:29:25,296 --> 00:29:27,867 playing Ben Gazzara's daughters are Peter's daughters. 699 00:29:27,966 --> 00:29:29,877 I don't think I could have been that natural 700 00:29:30,001 --> 00:29:31,810 without my dad in back of the camera. 701 00:29:31,936 --> 00:29:34,177 You know, I mean, it was really... Yeah. 702 00:29:34,305 --> 00:29:35,875 I was talking to him, really, you know. 703 00:29:35,974 --> 00:29:38,420 Yeah, we were playing ourselves, too. I mean, really. 704 00:29:38,543 --> 00:29:41,046 Yeah. Pretty much. 705 00:29:41,179 --> 00:29:41,779 [country music playing] 706 00:29:41,780 --> 00:29:43,054 [country music playing] 707 00:29:46,050 --> 00:29:46,926 Daddy! 708 00:29:47,051 --> 00:29:48,496 Daddy! Daddy! 709 00:29:48,820 --> 00:29:50,322 Oh, you're smoking. Johnny 710 00:29:50,455 --> 00:29:51,957 Jesus. How'd that get there? 711 00:29:52,290 --> 00:29:54,031 I don't like to make a personal movie 712 00:29:54,159 --> 00:29:57,072 and just make a personal movie the way the French did. 713 00:29:57,195 --> 00:29:59,175 I like to cloak it in a genre, 714 00:29:59,264 --> 00:30:01,210 so I thought maybe it'd be interesting 715 00:30:01,332 --> 00:30:03,312 to have something about detectives. 716 00:30:03,434 --> 00:30:07,041 And every character that we wrote was based 717 00:30:07,172 --> 00:30:09,812 on somebody that was going to play the part. 718 00:30:09,941 --> 00:30:12,820 Gazzara was based on Ben, what I knew about Ben, 719 00:30:12,944 --> 00:30:14,218 and Audrey was based on Audrey. 720 00:30:14,345 --> 00:30:15,323 Dorothy was based on Dorothy. 721 00:30:15,446 --> 00:30:17,119 And I wrote the first draft. 722 00:30:17,248 --> 00:30:20,491 John Ritter's character was... the whole draft 723 00:30:20,819 --> 00:30:23,493 was moping around about losing a girlfriend. 724 00:30:23,822 --> 00:30:26,462 It was gonna have a photograph of Cybill, 725 00:30:26,558 --> 00:30:28,469 uh, 'cause, you know, we'd broken up. 726 00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:31,063 Then when I met Dorothy, 727 00:30:31,162 --> 00:30:34,336 I thought it'd be great to have her in the picture. 728 00:30:34,465 --> 00:30:37,412 It struck me that it would be great 729 00:30:37,535 --> 00:30:39,515 for John... John's character 730 00:30:39,838 --> 00:30:42,944 to have someone that he falls for 731 00:30:43,074 --> 00:30:47,489 and sort of parallel with Ben, who falls for Audrey, 732 00:30:47,612 --> 00:30:49,353 John would fall for somebody, 733 00:30:49,447 --> 00:30:51,017 and... and the same idea, 734 00:30:51,149 --> 00:30:52,992 pursue her in the line of work, 735 00:30:53,117 --> 00:30:56,030 but pursue her in his personal life as well. 736 00:30:56,154 --> 00:30:57,292 The same two stories. 737 00:30:57,422 --> 00:30:58,702 It's just one has a happy ending, 738 00:30:58,890 --> 00:31:00,050 and one has an unhappy ending, 739 00:31:00,158 --> 00:31:01,364 and they're very different. 740 00:31:01,459 --> 00:31:03,268 So the movie evolved, 741 00:31:03,628 --> 00:31:07,098 and I went to Los Angeles and wrote it. 742 00:31:07,232 --> 00:31:09,303 I flew back to Los Angeles partially 743 00:31:09,434 --> 00:31:12,108 to have just the peace of sitting in my house. 744 00:31:12,203 --> 00:31:15,980 Another reason was to see Dorothy. 745 00:31:16,107 --> 00:31:17,984 [music playing] 746 00:31:23,448 --> 00:31:25,860 ♪ The sleepless nights ♪ 747 00:31:25,950 --> 00:31:27,861 ♪ The daily fights ♪ 748 00:31:27,952 --> 00:31:31,525 ♪ The quick toboggan when you reach the heights ♪ 749 00:31:31,656 --> 00:31:35,126 ♪ I miss the kisses, and I miss the bites ♪ 750 00:31:35,260 --> 00:31:39,299 ♪ I wish I were in love again ♪ 751 00:31:39,430 --> 00:31:41,000 ♪ The broken dates ♪ 752 00:31:41,132 --> 00:31:43,043 ♪ The endless waits ♪ 753 00:31:43,167 --> 00:31:47,411 ♪ The lovely loving and the hateful hates ♪ 754 00:31:47,505 --> 00:31:49,485 ♪ The conversation with the flying plates... ♪ 755 00:31:49,607 --> 00:31:50,881 I think one of the reasons 756 00:31:51,009 --> 00:31:53,353 that there was so much power 757 00:31:53,478 --> 00:31:58,552 behind Peter and Dorothy's, you know, love affair 758 00:31:58,650 --> 00:32:04,566 is that Dorothy answered everything that was missing, 759 00:32:04,656 --> 00:32:06,465 everything that had been hurt, 760 00:32:06,591 --> 00:32:09,435 every part of him that was insecure. 761 00:32:09,527 --> 00:32:13,304 It infused him with energy and joy. 762 00:32:13,431 --> 00:32:15,035 It made this very serious, 763 00:32:15,133 --> 00:32:17,238 sometimes serious director, be very giggly 764 00:32:17,368 --> 00:32:20,372 and warm and effusive, 765 00:32:20,505 --> 00:32:25,113 so she had a really great warm spot in his life. 766 00:32:25,243 --> 00:32:27,621 Well, I was in love with her 767 00:32:27,946 --> 00:32:31,052 the way that I never have been before or since. 768 00:32:31,182 --> 00:32:34,322 It just seemed like we had wings, you know. 769 00:32:34,419 --> 00:32:38,333 Every little thing had power. 770 00:32:38,423 --> 00:32:42,098 I mean, we just sat and watched some kids play baseball 771 00:32:42,226 --> 00:32:44,206 or walking through the park 772 00:32:44,295 --> 00:32:46,366 or going through the carousels. 773 00:32:46,497 --> 00:32:49,376 When I would get upset in a production meeting 774 00:32:49,500 --> 00:32:53,073 or she'd hear me starting to raise my voice at something, 775 00:32:53,171 --> 00:32:55,674 she'd come over and whisper in my ear, 776 00:32:56,007 --> 00:32:58,078 "Your heart, darling. Your heart." 777 00:32:58,176 --> 00:33:01,282 Heh. Never failed to knock me out. 778 00:33:01,412 --> 00:33:04,484 And I'd laugh, and I'd say, "Yeah, you're right. Yeah." 779 00:33:04,582 --> 00:33:06,425 "Your heart, darling. Your heart." 780 00:33:06,551 --> 00:33:09,293 It was so funny, so sweet. 781 00:33:09,420 --> 00:33:13,129 But, you know, she seemed meek and mild, but she wasn't. 782 00:33:13,257 --> 00:33:15,635 What do you notice first about a man? 783 00:33:15,727 --> 00:33:17,172 Man's walking down the street 784 00:33:17,295 --> 00:33:18,706 or you walk into a room, 785 00:33:19,030 --> 00:33:20,634 what's the first thing you notice? 786 00:33:20,765 --> 00:33:22,369 Stand up. 787 00:33:22,500 --> 00:33:24,173 [laughter] 788 00:33:24,302 --> 00:33:26,043 [whistling] 789 00:33:28,773 --> 00:33:29,979 Um... 790 00:33:30,108 --> 00:33:32,145 [laughs] His chest. 791 00:33:32,276 --> 00:33:34,187 I notice a man's chest first. 792 00:33:34,312 --> 00:33:36,451 Mm-hmm. All right. 793 00:33:36,581 --> 00:33:37,582 Very nice. Very nice. 794 00:33:37,715 --> 00:33:39,058 Good. Good. 795 00:33:39,183 --> 00:33:41,663 [laughter] 796 00:33:41,786 --> 00:33:43,732 Feel so self-conscious about my chest. 797 00:33:44,055 --> 00:33:44,726 [laughter] 798 00:33:45,056 --> 00:33:47,263 Later on, I said to her, 799 00:33:47,358 --> 00:33:49,702 "What made you tell Johnny to stand up?" 800 00:33:50,028 --> 00:33:52,668 She said, "Well, I was annoyed by his question. 801 00:33:52,764 --> 00:33:55,267 "It got... I got angry about the question, 802 00:33:55,366 --> 00:33:57,676 so I said, 'Stand up."' 803 00:33:57,802 --> 00:34:03,218 At 20, I couldn't believe that brilliance of that maneuver. 804 00:34:03,608 --> 00:34:05,048 Did you write Dorothy's part for her? 805 00:34:05,143 --> 00:34:08,283 Oh, every word, you know. Her whole relation... 806 00:34:08,379 --> 00:34:10,222 I knew she was unhappy in her marriage, 807 00:34:10,348 --> 00:34:14,296 and I knew he was... husband was a bit of a pain in the ass. 808 00:34:14,419 --> 00:34:16,023 That's all I knew. 809 00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:17,064 So he's kind of that guy in the window. 810 00:34:17,188 --> 00:34:18,565 He's the guy in the window 811 00:34:18,689 --> 00:34:20,498 who's kind of giving her shit. 812 00:34:20,625 --> 00:34:23,697 For a movie like "They All Laughed," what is the set like? 813 00:34:23,795 --> 00:34:26,639 For most of the scenes on the streets of New York, 814 00:34:26,764 --> 00:34:29,574 where we were shooting in the streets of the city, 815 00:34:29,667 --> 00:34:32,477 the crew was 20 blocks away with the trucks, 816 00:34:32,603 --> 00:34:36,642 and we had a very small... maybe five, six people with us. 817 00:34:36,774 --> 00:34:38,583 And we were on the streets of New York 818 00:34:38,676 --> 00:34:42,590 with Audrey Hepburn, Ben Gazzara, John Ritter, Dorothy Stratten. 819 00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:46,253 Uh, and we had no money for extras, 820 00:34:46,384 --> 00:34:48,625 so we couldn't close down the streets. 821 00:34:48,753 --> 00:34:50,460 We had real people walking. 822 00:34:50,555 --> 00:34:53,502 So we couldn't have trucks parked, 823 00:34:53,624 --> 00:34:58,801 so Audrey had no dressing room, no trailers, nothing. 824 00:34:59,130 --> 00:35:01,770 We... We had a hotel room in certain places, 825 00:35:02,100 --> 00:35:04,478 but otherwise, they'd wait in stores for us, 826 00:35:04,602 --> 00:35:06,741 and we did everything with signals and shit. 827 00:35:06,871 --> 00:35:08,991 Well, that seems to have found its way into the movie, 828 00:35:09,140 --> 00:35:10,210 because everybody's giving each other signals, 829 00:35:10,308 --> 00:35:11,753 and everybody's hiding in stores 830 00:35:11,843 --> 00:35:13,686 and behind bushes and things. 831 00:35:13,811 --> 00:35:15,851 Yes. It kind of goes with the making of the picture. 832 00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:16,824 I'm not really very hungry, Christy. 833 00:35:17,148 --> 00:35:18,218 Oh, you're not? No. 834 00:35:18,349 --> 00:35:19,692 Would you like some new shoes? New shoes? 835 00:35:19,817 --> 00:35:21,228 I said, "Would you like some new shoes?" 836 00:35:21,319 --> 00:35:22,263 Those are pretty old, aren't they? 837 00:35:22,386 --> 00:35:23,296 Well, thanks a lot, Charles. 838 00:35:23,421 --> 00:35:24,491 These happen to be an original 839 00:35:24,589 --> 00:35:26,227 thirties design from the thirties. 840 00:35:26,357 --> 00:35:28,098 That's what I mean. Wouldn't you like some new ones? 841 00:35:28,192 --> 00:35:29,792 Robby Muller was at his peak at the time, 842 00:35:29,861 --> 00:35:31,101 a European cinematographer, 843 00:35:31,229 --> 00:35:33,106 did wonderful work with Wim Wenders, 844 00:35:33,231 --> 00:35:36,644 Great with light and natural, you know, location shooting. 845 00:35:36,734 --> 00:35:39,806 He managed without any real formality 846 00:35:40,138 --> 00:35:41,338 or pretentiousness to his work, 847 00:35:41,439 --> 00:35:44,147 uh, give it an artful veneer. 848 00:35:44,275 --> 00:35:47,848 The New York that it's set in is so unadorned. 849 00:35:48,179 --> 00:35:50,785 I mean, it's beautiful. It's... it's real New York, 850 00:35:50,882 --> 00:35:53,795 but then it's ingenious in how this kind of fairy tale 851 00:35:53,918 --> 00:35:57,832 is going on in a very real city. 852 00:35:58,156 --> 00:35:59,863 For the last few years leading up to '81, 853 00:36:00,191 --> 00:36:02,831 with '81 being the big year for this, 854 00:36:03,161 --> 00:36:05,163 the movies had been demonizing New York, 855 00:36:05,296 --> 00:36:07,867 making New York look like the most crime-ridden place 856 00:36:08,199 --> 00:36:09,542 and the most filthy place 857 00:36:09,634 --> 00:36:11,545 or the most dangerous place ever. 858 00:36:11,636 --> 00:36:15,345 Can you dig it? Can you dig it? 859 00:36:15,473 --> 00:36:17,453 [yelling] 860 00:36:17,575 --> 00:36:20,613 And in the midst of all that, 861 00:36:20,745 --> 00:36:22,315 Peter does "They All Laughed," 862 00:36:22,446 --> 00:36:25,154 which is just this incredible love letter to New York. 863 00:36:25,283 --> 00:36:26,762 In Peter Bogdanovich's New York, 864 00:36:26,884 --> 00:36:29,888 you hop into a cab, and Patti Hansen's the cabdriver. 865 00:36:30,221 --> 00:36:31,427 Patti Hanson, all right? 866 00:36:31,556 --> 00:36:33,900 And she just immediately starts effing with you. 867 00:36:34,225 --> 00:36:35,636 You weird like your friend with the beard? 868 00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:37,603 Me? Oh, no, Sam. Me, I'm a charmer. 869 00:36:37,728 --> 00:36:38,900 Get off up here. 870 00:36:39,230 --> 00:36:40,300 I'd like to. 871 00:36:40,398 --> 00:36:42,400 Oh, Sam. 872 00:36:44,569 --> 00:36:47,379 Being in love with Dorothy is what inspired the picture, 873 00:36:47,505 --> 00:36:49,451 and I think that it has... it has a feeling 874 00:36:49,540 --> 00:36:52,180 as of being in love, the picture. 875 00:36:52,310 --> 00:36:54,654 It... it has a certain sparkle to it 876 00:36:54,779 --> 00:36:58,317 that none of my other pictures had. 877 00:36:58,449 --> 00:37:00,827 [slow jazz playing] 878 00:37:27,612 --> 00:37:29,353 MAN: It's one of the movies 879 00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:32,620 that is most insistent about people watching each other 880 00:37:32,750 --> 00:37:34,559 and the camera watching them. 881 00:37:34,685 --> 00:37:37,256 It encourages voyeurism as much 882 00:37:37,388 --> 00:37:40,392 as the most obsessive Hitchcock or De Palma film, 883 00:37:40,524 --> 00:37:42,902 but it's different from them in that 884 00:37:43,327 --> 00:37:45,500 it's completely attuned to the yearning of the characters. 885 00:37:45,596 --> 00:37:49,772 Scorsese, Coppola, Altman, Friedkin, all those guys, 886 00:37:49,900 --> 00:37:52,244 they were pretty much steeped into film history, 887 00:37:52,370 --> 00:37:54,850 and they had particular attitudes towards it. 888 00:37:54,972 --> 00:37:57,919 Bogdanovich, by contrast, is much more reverent. 889 00:37:58,042 --> 00:37:59,817 He's much more tender. 890 00:37:59,944 --> 00:38:02,515 He's much more romantic. 891 00:38:02,647 --> 00:38:06,459 But I just kept a card file of every film I saw, 892 00:38:06,584 --> 00:38:11,658 and if I saw it again, I would write, you know, what I thought of it. 893 00:38:11,756 --> 00:38:16,967 So I started in '52 and every year through '70, 894 00:38:17,295 --> 00:38:20,276 and I stopped in '70, so 19 years. 895 00:38:20,364 --> 00:38:23,402 ♪ It's just ordinary story about the way things go ♪ 896 00:38:23,534 --> 00:38:25,480 ♪ Around and around, nobody knows ♪ 897 00:38:25,603 --> 00:38:30,416 ♪ But the highway goes on forever... ♪ 898 00:38:30,508 --> 00:38:32,545 Father. Father! 899 00:38:32,643 --> 00:38:34,316 Here. Look at this. It's beautiful. I want it. 900 00:38:34,445 --> 00:38:37,426 HASKELL: He has great women in his movies, 901 00:38:37,515 --> 00:38:40,018 which is very unusual for an American director. 902 00:38:40,351 --> 00:38:44,322 American directors are just basically interested in other men 903 00:38:44,455 --> 00:38:48,426 and in men's pictures and in men's intrigues and men's action. 904 00:38:48,559 --> 00:38:50,561 And it's not just the woman at the center, 905 00:38:50,695 --> 00:38:53,437 but often the supporting women are as interesting 906 00:38:53,564 --> 00:38:55,874 or more interesting than the... than the lead. 907 00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:58,446 SHEPHERD: He has one of the most wonderful attitudes 908 00:38:58,569 --> 00:39:01,607 towards women that I've ever seen a man have. 909 00:39:01,739 --> 00:39:02,740 He loves and respects. 910 00:39:02,873 --> 00:39:04,318 He was one of the few people 911 00:39:04,408 --> 00:39:07,912 that ever treated me as an intellectual equal. 912 00:39:08,045 --> 00:39:08,345 There were four women in the picture that I cared about a lot. 913 00:39:08,346 --> 00:39:11,793 There were four women in the picture that I cared about a lot. 914 00:39:11,916 --> 00:39:15,921 Dorothy was the... She was the muse for this film. 915 00:39:16,053 --> 00:39:19,466 Audrey, whom I didn't know well, but I loved her movies, 916 00:39:19,557 --> 00:39:20,900 I loved her as an actress, 917 00:39:21,025 --> 00:39:23,335 and I came to love her as a person. 918 00:39:23,461 --> 00:39:26,738 And Patti Hansen and I, had a little romance with her. 919 00:39:26,831 --> 00:39:29,869 It didn't end in an unfriendly way. 920 00:39:29,967 --> 00:39:31,776 It's just we weren't right for each other. 921 00:39:31,902 --> 00:39:33,779 You ought to be an actress or a model or something. 922 00:39:33,904 --> 00:39:35,008 You're gorgeous. Thanks. 923 00:39:35,106 --> 00:39:36,881 I used to do a little modeling. 924 00:39:37,007 --> 00:39:38,418 It's a pain in the ass, you know. 925 00:39:38,542 --> 00:39:39,816 Well, it's all a pain in the ass, honey, 926 00:39:39,944 --> 00:39:40,945 unless you're in love, of course. 927 00:39:41,078 --> 00:39:42,352 And that's a pain in the ass. 928 00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:43,686 The biggest! Right. 929 00:39:43,814 --> 00:39:46,488 Colleen, whom I had a long relationship with her, 930 00:39:46,617 --> 00:39:47,823 a complicated relationship with her. 931 00:39:47,952 --> 00:39:48,828 I liked her very much. 932 00:39:48,953 --> 00:39:50,489 I loved her, actually, 933 00:39:50,588 --> 00:39:51,896 wrote the part for her. 934 00:39:51,989 --> 00:39:54,435 Colleen was at my dad's house quite a bit, 935 00:39:54,558 --> 00:39:56,697 but Colleen was a good friend, too, 936 00:39:56,827 --> 00:39:58,966 and good with us and just funny. 937 00:39:59,096 --> 00:40:00,905 Christy's so funny. I like her. 938 00:40:00,998 --> 00:40:03,035 I like Alicia. I like Alicia, too. 939 00:40:03,134 --> 00:40:04,807 I didn't say I didn't like her. 940 00:40:04,935 --> 00:40:05,936 You like Christy better. 941 00:40:06,070 --> 00:40:07,811 No, I don't. I like them both. 942 00:40:07,938 --> 00:40:09,618 Sometimes I feel sorry for Christy, though. 943 00:40:09,707 --> 00:40:10,707 Why is that, angel? 944 00:40:10,808 --> 00:40:11,684 I don't know. 945 00:40:11,809 --> 00:40:12,913 Christy is funny, Daddy. 946 00:40:13,010 --> 00:40:14,512 Christy's in love with you, Daddy. 947 00:40:14,612 --> 00:40:15,852 Yeah, well, I love her, too. 948 00:40:15,980 --> 00:40:17,391 But you're not in love with her. 949 00:40:17,515 --> 00:40:18,926 What the hell do you know about it? 950 00:40:19,016 --> 00:40:20,086 Women's intuition. 951 00:40:20,418 --> 00:40:21,089 It's women's intuition, Daddy. 952 00:40:21,419 --> 00:40:22,921 Will you cut that out? 953 00:40:23,053 --> 00:40:27,092 Instead of having to imagine somebody that I was talking about, 954 00:40:27,425 --> 00:40:29,530 Christy is Colleen in the movie, 955 00:40:29,627 --> 00:40:33,097 but Colleen was a part of our family at that point. 956 00:40:33,431 --> 00:40:35,707 CAMP: We'd had a fight over something kind of silly, 957 00:40:35,833 --> 00:40:38,871 and he says, "I've just written you this huge part in a movie," 958 00:40:39,003 --> 00:40:41,540 and we were not remotely dating when this movie started. 959 00:40:41,639 --> 00:40:43,550 It had been like a year before. 960 00:40:43,674 --> 00:40:45,950 And I said, "Well, I don't care if you wrote me the part. 961 00:40:46,076 --> 00:40:47,156 It's just not gonna happen." 962 00:40:47,211 --> 00:40:48,588 I said, "You're gonna do this. 963 00:40:48,712 --> 00:40:50,453 "It's a great part. I wrote it for you. 964 00:40:50,581 --> 00:40:52,618 Don't be silly." So of course she did it. 965 00:40:52,750 --> 00:40:54,423 I think Colleen Camp is just terrific, 966 00:40:54,518 --> 00:40:57,089 and then she reminds of some earlier Hollywood actress, 967 00:40:57,188 --> 00:41:00,726 that kind of fast-talking, the slightly ditzy quality. 968 00:41:00,858 --> 00:41:02,963 She had a little bit of Lombard, a little bit of Jean Arthur, 969 00:41:03,093 --> 00:41:05,095 even a little bit of Debbie Reynolds in her rhythm. 970 00:41:05,196 --> 00:41:06,869 Why don't I give you a massage, Charles? 971 00:41:06,997 --> 00:41:08,635 Why don't I give you a touch assist? 972 00:41:08,766 --> 00:41:09,766 A what? A touch assist. 973 00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:10,972 A touch assist. 974 00:41:11,101 --> 00:41:12,705 It'll relieve all your pressure, Charles. 975 00:41:12,803 --> 00:41:14,612 You'll feel like a cloud in pants. 976 00:41:14,738 --> 00:41:16,479 In terms of the dialogue, what was so great 977 00:41:16,607 --> 00:41:19,144 is that Peter had this Howard Hawks, 978 00:41:19,477 --> 00:41:22,981 Preston Sturges kind of overlapping dialogue, 979 00:41:23,080 --> 00:41:24,991 and that's what was so interesting, 980 00:41:25,115 --> 00:41:27,595 because, you know, as my dad said, 981 00:41:27,718 --> 00:41:30,164 "I'm a woman of a few thousand words," 982 00:41:30,488 --> 00:41:33,196 and I actually speak them very quickly. 983 00:41:33,524 --> 00:41:35,764 Good morning, Amy. You're looking very well this morning. 984 00:41:35,826 --> 00:41:36,896 Why, thank you, Christy. Very well. 985 00:41:37,027 --> 00:41:38,506 Thank you, Christy. 986 00:41:38,629 --> 00:41:40,006 Where's Mr. Russo's desk, Amy? Do you know? 987 00:41:40,130 --> 00:41:41,170 Right over there, Christy, 988 00:41:41,265 --> 00:41:43,472 not too far from Mr. Russo himself. 989 00:41:43,601 --> 00:41:44,807 Thank you, Amy. 990 00:41:44,935 --> 00:41:47,472 I can see you're all working very hard today. 991 00:41:47,571 --> 00:41:48,777 Good morning, Christy. How are you? 992 00:41:48,906 --> 00:41:50,214 Good morning, Judas. 993 00:41:50,541 --> 00:41:52,782 I have a few things here that belong to Mr. Russo, 994 00:41:52,910 --> 00:41:54,230 and I'm sure he'll be needing them 995 00:41:54,278 --> 00:41:55,655 a lot more than I will. 996 00:41:55,946 --> 00:41:56,890 Colleen Camp is just a hoot, 997 00:41:56,981 --> 00:41:58,756 and the way she is in "They All Laughed" 998 00:41:58,883 --> 00:42:00,521 is exactly the way she is in real life, 999 00:42:00,651 --> 00:42:03,188 the way she talks, and her commanding, 1000 00:42:03,521 --> 00:42:05,091 you know, bubbly personality 1001 00:42:05,222 --> 00:42:08,567 and verbal, uh, aspect is perfectly represented. 1002 00:42:08,692 --> 00:42:12,834 Just to have anybody in... like that in your life when you're young... 1003 00:42:12,963 --> 00:42:14,943 She's just funny, you know, and sweet. 1004 00:42:15,065 --> 00:42:16,942 I love Peter and his family, and, 1005 00:42:17,067 --> 00:42:19,911 you know, we've been really close friends since 1975. 1006 00:42:20,037 --> 00:42:22,176 Why, look at those beautiful shoes, Harold. 1007 00:42:22,306 --> 00:42:24,047 Aren't those nice shoes? 1008 00:42:24,141 --> 00:42:26,644 [indistinct chatter] 1009 00:42:26,744 --> 00:42:27,916 Can I help you? 1010 00:42:28,012 --> 00:42:30,049 We'd like to see some of the new shoes. 1011 00:42:30,147 --> 00:42:32,525 Yes. Well, we don't sell used ones here, sir. 1012 00:42:32,650 --> 00:42:33,526 Oh, that's good. 1013 00:42:33,651 --> 00:42:34,994 This way. 1014 00:42:35,119 --> 00:42:37,121 Hmm? 1015 00:42:37,254 --> 00:42:39,791 Oh, excuse me. I'm terribly... 1016 00:42:39,924 --> 00:42:42,234 Oh. Sorry. 1017 00:42:43,994 --> 00:42:46,804 The adherence to Hollywood archetypes 1018 00:42:46,897 --> 00:42:49,207 and Hollywood filmmaking, 1019 00:42:49,300 --> 00:42:53,146 it's just injected with a very personalized element, 1020 00:42:53,270 --> 00:42:57,946 represented by casting friends and family members. 1021 00:42:58,075 --> 00:43:00,146 His real secretary, Linda MacEwen, 1022 00:43:00,277 --> 00:43:03,087 plays the secretary of Leon Leondopolous. 1023 00:43:03,213 --> 00:43:05,693 Certainly, I was involved with doing his notes 1024 00:43:05,816 --> 00:43:08,695 when he was rewriting, when he was writing the script. 1025 00:43:08,786 --> 00:43:10,629 And, of course, I was thrilled, 1026 00:43:10,754 --> 00:43:13,030 uh, to get to work with him on that side of the camera. 1027 00:43:13,157 --> 00:43:15,603 A friend, distributor, Blaine Novak, 1028 00:43:15,726 --> 00:43:18,036 is thrown into the picture and is brilliant. 1029 00:43:18,162 --> 00:43:20,142 You would think this is one of the premier 1030 00:43:20,264 --> 00:43:23,609 comic supporting actors of the seventies. 1031 00:43:23,734 --> 00:43:25,645 So where'd you pick these two up? 1032 00:43:25,769 --> 00:43:26,839 BOTH: We're sisters. 1033 00:43:26,937 --> 00:43:27,847 They're my sisters. 1034 00:43:27,938 --> 00:43:29,246 They're his sisters. 1035 00:43:31,875 --> 00:43:34,151 I really fell right into that one, didn't I? 1036 00:43:34,278 --> 00:43:36,121 Audrey in the movie comes across, 1037 00:43:36,246 --> 00:43:37,326 in my opinion, like an icon, 1038 00:43:37,615 --> 00:43:40,323 her own clothes, the way she moved, 1039 00:43:40,651 --> 00:43:44,155 the way she was, because Peter wrote the part for her. 1040 00:43:44,288 --> 00:43:46,029 I said, "Audrey, you gotta do the picture, 1041 00:43:46,156 --> 00:43:48,261 because I wrote it for you." 1042 00:43:48,392 --> 00:43:50,269 "Oh, Peter, don't say that, 1043 00:43:50,394 --> 00:43:53,204 because then if I don't do it, I'll feel so terrible." 1044 00:43:53,330 --> 00:43:54,775 You know, she told me once 1045 00:43:54,898 --> 00:43:56,605 she didn't think she was a good actress. 1046 00:43:56,734 --> 00:43:58,179 I said...[ laughs] 1047 00:43:58,302 --> 00:44:01,749 I said, "Listen, I'm gonna run all your films for you 1048 00:44:01,872 --> 00:44:04,011 "and show you more of a moment 1049 00:44:04,141 --> 00:44:06,883 "what any actress would give their life, 1050 00:44:07,011 --> 00:44:09,150 "their soul, their-anything 1051 00:44:09,279 --> 00:44:11,623 "to be able to do what you do on the screen. 1052 00:44:11,749 --> 00:44:14,628 "Are you kidding me? You have greatness. 1053 00:44:14,718 --> 00:44:16,163 "You light up the screen. 1054 00:44:16,253 --> 00:44:18,893 "Your... Your smile on the screen 1055 00:44:19,023 --> 00:44:21,401 is like a thousand searchlights." 1056 00:44:25,396 --> 00:44:27,808 RICHEY: Gazzara's eyes are so soulful. 1057 00:44:27,931 --> 00:44:29,911 I mean, there's just... there's, like, 1058 00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:31,911 so much poetry in his eyes 1059 00:44:32,036 --> 00:44:33,676 in the way that he looks at Audrey Hepburn 1060 00:44:33,804 --> 00:44:35,647 and the way that he sells it on the screen, 1061 00:44:35,773 --> 00:44:37,650 and I keep... keep flashing back 1062 00:44:37,775 --> 00:44:40,051 to the last times that he sees her in the movie, 1063 00:44:40,144 --> 00:44:41,987 when she's taking off in that helicopter, 1064 00:44:42,112 --> 00:44:43,716 which is just one of the most 1065 00:44:43,847 --> 00:44:45,258 kind of heartbreaking shots ever. 1066 00:44:45,382 --> 00:44:46,952 I mean, you can really see this guy 1067 00:44:47,084 --> 00:44:49,325 is one of the great American actors. 1068 00:44:49,453 --> 00:44:51,797 He has that kind of world-weariness 1069 00:44:51,889 --> 00:44:54,199 that you don't usually see in American actors, 1070 00:44:54,324 --> 00:44:56,930 a kind of Mastroianni almost quality, I think. 1071 00:44:57,027 --> 00:44:59,371 And that sort of mural ambiguity 1072 00:44:59,697 --> 00:45:01,074 and the sexy past. 1073 00:45:01,198 --> 00:45:03,109 You know, you don't have to spell it out. 1074 00:45:03,233 --> 00:45:05,736 You just know that he's had a lot of women, and... 1075 00:45:05,869 --> 00:45:08,850 Oh, yeah. He has his very expressive eyes, 1076 00:45:08,972 --> 00:45:13,216 and he's always been one of my favorite actors. 1077 00:45:13,310 --> 00:45:15,119 We knew Ben from "Saint Jack," 1078 00:45:15,245 --> 00:45:18,852 and he gave us our first cigar. 1079 00:45:18,982 --> 00:45:21,087 Yeah. We smoked a cigar on "Saint Jack." 1080 00:45:21,218 --> 00:45:22,959 When we were 7 and 10. 1081 00:45:23,087 --> 00:45:24,087 10 or something. 1082 00:45:24,154 --> 00:45:25,997 Both got viciously ill. Yeah. 1083 00:45:26,123 --> 00:45:27,898 'Cause we wanted to try the cigar, 1084 00:45:28,025 --> 00:45:30,164 and Peter would always say no, Dad. 1085 00:45:30,294 --> 00:45:32,706 Then he's like, "Let the kids try a cigar," 1086 00:45:32,796 --> 00:45:34,742 and we did... and it was in Singapore, 1087 00:45:34,865 --> 00:45:36,902 and we both got pretty sick the next day. 1088 00:45:37,034 --> 00:45:38,240 I don't think that night. 1089 00:45:38,368 --> 00:45:39,368 My mother never forgot. 1090 00:45:39,436 --> 00:45:40,436 Yeah, never forgot. 1091 00:45:40,504 --> 00:45:42,739 I've never told anybody this. 1092 00:45:42,740 --> 00:45:42,774 I've never told anybody this. 1093 00:45:42,906 --> 00:45:45,045 I did "They All Laughed" 1094 00:45:45,175 --> 00:45:50,989 in the middle of a clinical depression. 1095 00:45:51,115 --> 00:45:54,858 I was in a deep depression 1096 00:45:54,952 --> 00:45:59,731 in the making of every inch of that film. 1097 00:45:59,857 --> 00:46:02,064 You know that? 1098 00:46:02,192 --> 00:46:04,433 I'll tell you, I've had cancer. 1099 00:46:04,762 --> 00:46:06,139 I prefer cancer. 1100 00:46:06,230 --> 00:46:08,141 With cancer, you fight to get well. 1101 00:46:08,265 --> 00:46:10,745 With depression, you can't fight. 1102 00:46:10,868 --> 00:46:12,404 You can't even fight. 1103 00:46:12,503 --> 00:46:13,880 If I were another director... 1104 00:46:13,971 --> 00:46:16,076 Peter Bogdanovich, I would have fired me. 1105 00:46:16,206 --> 00:46:18,208 Another director would have said, "Go home." 1106 00:46:18,342 --> 00:46:21,414 But somehow, I was prepared. 1107 00:46:21,512 --> 00:46:23,890 I never held anything up. 1108 00:46:24,014 --> 00:46:25,755 My work was so easy. 1109 00:46:25,849 --> 00:46:32,198 I just went through it moment by moment. 1110 00:46:32,322 --> 00:46:34,063 I'm not saying. 1111 00:46:34,191 --> 00:46:36,967 I don't think she's saying... You're always watching us. 1112 00:46:37,094 --> 00:46:38,801 Are you saying that you don't trust me 1113 00:46:38,929 --> 00:46:40,772 to take care of these three midgets? 1114 00:46:40,898 --> 00:46:41,938 No, I'm saying I don't know 1115 00:46:42,065 --> 00:46:43,169 who's going to take care of me. 1116 00:46:43,267 --> 00:46:44,267 John will. 1117 00:46:44,368 --> 00:46:45,506 That's what I'm afraid of. 1118 00:46:45,836 --> 00:46:47,247 You're not making sense, Mother. 1119 00:46:47,371 --> 00:46:50,079 I remember one time Peter actually sent me 1120 00:46:50,207 --> 00:46:52,778 and the two girls to see a Broadway show. 1121 00:46:52,876 --> 00:46:54,446 And he got us a car, 1122 00:46:54,578 --> 00:46:56,956 and one of the adults took us. I can't remember who. 1123 00:46:57,080 --> 00:46:59,959 And I went to their room at the Plaza to pick them up, 1124 00:47:00,083 --> 00:47:04,498 and Dorothy walked in in a bikini. 1125 00:47:04,822 --> 00:47:06,358 And you gotta remember Dorothy at this point 1126 00:47:06,490 --> 00:47:08,333 was, you know, Playmate of the Year. 1127 00:47:08,425 --> 00:47:10,803 So I was just like... 1128 00:47:10,894 --> 00:47:12,134 She walked in. She went, "Hey, Glenn." 1129 00:47:12,262 --> 00:47:13,332 I'm like, "Hey, Dorothy," 1130 00:47:13,430 --> 00:47:15,103 like that, and she walked out. 1131 00:47:15,232 --> 00:47:18,076 And all I could think was, "I have so many straight friends 1132 00:47:18,202 --> 00:47:21,012 that would fucking love this moment!" [laughs] 1133 00:47:21,138 --> 00:47:24,551 'Cause Dorothy was more than stunning in person. 1134 00:47:24,875 --> 00:47:26,946 I mean, you think she looks beautiful in this movie? 1135 00:47:27,044 --> 00:47:32,392 Honestly, Dorothy in real life was angelic. 1136 00:47:32,516 --> 00:47:34,996 Dorothy was already a mother to her sister, 1137 00:47:35,118 --> 00:47:37,223 but it wasn't even that her sister was around. 1138 00:47:37,321 --> 00:47:38,321 It was just this nature. 1139 00:47:38,388 --> 00:47:40,868 Like there would be adults, 1140 00:47:40,991 --> 00:47:43,301 and all of them probably big players 1141 00:47:43,427 --> 00:47:44,963 in the movie business at that time 1142 00:47:45,062 --> 00:47:46,507 at the Plaza Hotel in New York, 1143 00:47:46,630 --> 00:47:49,167 and she would, like, be on the floor with us coloring. 1144 00:47:49,299 --> 00:47:51,540 In a way very much like my mother, 1145 00:47:51,869 --> 00:47:55,009 she was not aware, 1146 00:47:55,138 --> 00:47:59,314 nor did she really value her looks 1147 00:47:59,443 --> 00:48:01,013 as being something unusual or special. 1148 00:48:01,144 --> 00:48:02,589 I mean, that's who she was. 1149 00:48:02,913 --> 00:48:05,018 There wasn't really a bad bone in that woman's body. 1150 00:48:05,148 --> 00:48:06,548 And I don't know how she ended up... 1151 00:48:06,650 --> 00:48:09,256 I mean, we know how she ended up posing for "Playboy," 1152 00:48:09,386 --> 00:48:11,332 but that is the most ridiculous... 1153 00:48:11,455 --> 00:48:13,401 Yeah. If you knew her... scenario. 1154 00:48:13,490 --> 00:48:15,265 It was like, "What?" Like, she was so... 1155 00:48:15,392 --> 00:48:17,531 I mean, it just goes to show you you have... 1156 00:48:17,628 --> 00:48:19,869 She was modest. She was so modest. 1157 00:48:19,963 --> 00:48:20,963 Modest. Yeah. 1158 00:48:21,031 --> 00:48:22,442 You have a certain image about... 1159 00:48:22,566 --> 00:48:24,477 Although she did skinny dip couple times. 1160 00:48:24,601 --> 00:48:25,601 Really? Yeah. 1161 00:48:25,636 --> 00:48:27,479 Well, it probably was just us. 1162 00:48:27,604 --> 00:48:29,208 Yeah, no, it was just us, yeah. 1163 00:48:43,420 --> 00:48:46,924 SCARPELLI: In the scene where John would follow Dorothy 1164 00:48:47,057 --> 00:48:48,434 back to her apartment 1165 00:48:48,525 --> 00:48:50,562 and she would have a, you know... 1166 00:48:50,661 --> 00:48:54,165 a fight with this husband of hers, 1167 00:48:54,264 --> 00:48:57,108 I think, was very symbolic of, you know, 1168 00:48:57,234 --> 00:48:59,043 what Dorothy had been going through, 1169 00:48:59,136 --> 00:49:00,911 because everybody on the set knew 1170 00:49:01,004 --> 00:49:02,483 that Peter and Dorothy were definitely beginning a life together. 1171 00:49:02,606 --> 00:49:04,176 I mean, there was no question. 1172 00:49:04,274 --> 00:49:06,311 They were ready to live the rest of their lives together. 1173 00:49:06,443 --> 00:49:08,047 You could see it. You could feel it. 1174 00:49:08,145 --> 00:49:11,058 I think she'd been in this relationship long enough 1175 00:49:11,181 --> 00:49:14,060 and realized that it was an abusive relationship, 1176 00:49:14,184 --> 00:49:16,926 yet he was really the one 1177 00:49:17,054 --> 00:49:19,261 that brought her to Hollywood 1178 00:49:19,389 --> 00:49:20,993 and helped her, you know. 1179 00:49:21,124 --> 00:49:25,072 And at that age, you have a tendency to excuse and adapt 1180 00:49:25,195 --> 00:49:27,505 and stay in situations that may not be healthy, 1181 00:49:27,631 --> 00:49:30,134 because you feel, "Well, maybe he deserves better," 1182 00:49:30,267 --> 00:49:31,940 or, "I can't drop him now that I'm successful, 1183 00:49:32,069 --> 00:49:33,548 because that's not who I am." 1184 00:49:33,670 --> 00:49:36,480 And yet the wonderful relationship with Peter developed. 1185 00:49:36,573 --> 00:49:38,610 Uh, they were very sweet to each other. 1186 00:49:38,709 --> 00:49:40,586 [swing music playing] 1187 00:49:56,093 --> 00:49:58,437 But the thing about it that's so wonderful 1188 00:49:58,562 --> 00:50:01,042 is it's a sort of a distillation 1189 00:50:01,164 --> 00:50:03,405 of the whole idea of "They All Laughed," 1190 00:50:03,533 --> 00:50:06,377 which goes back to the great screwball comedies 1191 00:50:06,470 --> 00:50:08,006 that Peter reveres so much. 1192 00:50:08,138 --> 00:50:10,516 It's the men trying to catch up with the women. 1193 00:50:10,640 --> 00:50:12,984 It's the guy falling flat on his face 1194 00:50:13,110 --> 00:50:15,647 and being caught by Dolores, 1195 00:50:15,779 --> 00:50:19,556 the girls being 2 steps or 10 steps ahead of the guys. 1196 00:50:32,796 --> 00:50:34,139 Are you okay? 1197 00:50:34,231 --> 00:50:36,609 I'm very well, thank you. How are you? 1198 00:50:38,602 --> 00:50:42,550 Ritter and Dorothy, that relationship... 1199 00:50:42,672 --> 00:50:45,744 I... I just couldn't get over how important 1200 00:50:46,076 --> 00:50:49,683 John Ritter's performance is to that movie, 1201 00:50:49,813 --> 00:50:53,192 because he's a farceur without shtick. 1202 00:50:53,316 --> 00:51:00,291 The attraction for Dorothy is so sweet, so lovely, so tender, 1203 00:51:00,390 --> 00:51:02,631 and how it affects his ability to function, 1204 00:51:02,759 --> 00:51:05,205 how he becomes awkward. Who, me? 1205 00:51:05,328 --> 00:51:07,888 Of course, Charles is like the absent-minded professor, you know. 1206 00:51:08,098 --> 00:51:09,577 What? Who? Charles. 1207 00:51:09,699 --> 00:51:10,575 This is Charles. 1208 00:51:10,700 --> 00:51:11,701 Charles, this is Dolores. 1209 00:51:11,802 --> 00:51:14,305 Hello, Charles. 1210 00:51:14,404 --> 00:51:17,180 Nice to meet you, Dolores. 1211 00:51:17,307 --> 00:51:19,651 And this is Jose, Charles. Charles! 1212 00:51:21,178 --> 00:51:22,316 Hello. Who are you? 1213 00:51:22,412 --> 00:51:24,085 I'm Charles, Jose. How are you? 1214 00:51:24,214 --> 00:51:25,716 I'm Jose. Oh, good. 1215 00:51:25,816 --> 00:51:30,060 He was brilliant, and, uh, he's so easy to work with. 1216 00:51:30,187 --> 00:51:32,793 I called him. I said, "Would you like to play me in a movie?" 1217 00:51:33,123 --> 00:51:35,069 He said, "What time? Where do I show up?" 1218 00:51:35,192 --> 00:51:37,194 He didn't even ask to read the script. 1219 00:51:37,294 --> 00:51:39,240 And that's the kind of guy he was. 1220 00:51:48,538 --> 00:51:51,747 I was listening to country music to use in the picture, 1221 00:51:51,842 --> 00:51:55,221 and one of the albums I bought was a Johnny Cash album, 1222 00:51:55,312 --> 00:51:57,121 a new one called "Gone Girl," 1223 00:51:57,247 --> 00:52:00,228 and on that album is a very interesting song 1224 00:52:00,317 --> 00:52:02,263 called a "Song For the Life." 1225 00:52:02,385 --> 00:52:03,762 The piano is very virtuoso, 1226 00:52:03,854 --> 00:52:05,800 so I said, "Who played the piano?" 1227 00:52:06,123 --> 00:52:07,568 And I looked it up. 1228 00:52:07,691 --> 00:52:12,106 Earl Poole Ball, unlikely name, but there it is. 1229 00:52:12,195 --> 00:52:13,367 We flew Earl up, 1230 00:52:13,497 --> 00:52:16,239 got an upright piano put into the Plaza Hotel. 1231 00:52:16,333 --> 00:52:17,710 I liked him a lot, 1232 00:52:17,834 --> 00:52:19,507 and I asked him to be in the picture 1233 00:52:19,603 --> 00:52:21,173 and write a couple of songs with me. 1234 00:52:21,304 --> 00:52:23,384 It was the first time I'd ever been to New York City, 1235 00:52:23,507 --> 00:52:27,319 and I'd never been in a hotel room that had a piano inside. 1236 00:52:27,444 --> 00:52:31,324 So... And he had books all over the wall, lots of books. 1237 00:52:31,448 --> 00:52:33,257 Made me want to have more books. 1238 00:52:33,383 --> 00:52:34,691 He had some music playing 1239 00:52:34,818 --> 00:52:36,593 that I was involved with with Jo-El Sunnier. 1240 00:52:36,720 --> 00:52:38,256 He had Jo-El's album playing. 1241 00:52:38,388 --> 00:52:40,527 It was like... I felt like I'd come home. 1242 00:52:40,624 --> 00:52:42,797 I had this one song I wanted to write 1243 00:52:42,926 --> 00:52:45,600 based on a card that Dorothy had sent me, 1244 00:52:45,729 --> 00:52:47,470 called "One Day Since Yesterday." 1245 00:52:47,597 --> 00:52:51,807 ♪ What can you do to stop the feelings? ♪ 1246 00:52:51,902 --> 00:52:56,146 ♪ Can you just crush 'em in your hand? ♪ 1247 00:52:56,273 --> 00:52:58,344 Before I left to go back to New York, 1248 00:52:58,475 --> 00:53:00,284 I'd flown in to Los Angeles to see Dorothy 1249 00:53:00,377 --> 00:53:02,288 and to work on the script. 1250 00:53:02,412 --> 00:53:04,824 Dorothy and I went down to Santa Monica Beach, 1251 00:53:04,948 --> 00:53:06,518 and we just went for a walk. 1252 00:53:08,385 --> 00:53:13,198 ♪ Like two lovers in those stories ♪ 1253 00:53:13,323 --> 00:53:16,896 ♪ Walkin' slowly hand in hand ♪ 1254 00:53:17,227 --> 00:53:19,366 I think both of us wanted to kiss. 1255 00:53:19,496 --> 00:53:21,305 It just didn't happen for a long time, 1256 00:53:21,398 --> 00:53:23,878 and we just kept walking and walking and walking. 1257 00:53:24,201 --> 00:53:25,578 It was a great walk. 1258 00:53:25,702 --> 00:53:30,776 And at one point, we both stopped, 1259 00:53:30,907 --> 00:53:32,784 and just the kiss happened. 1260 00:53:35,412 --> 00:53:37,915 And it was a... 1261 00:53:38,248 --> 00:53:39,727 It was a memorable kiss. 1262 00:53:39,816 --> 00:53:43,855 ♪ Was it just one day since yesterday... ♪ 1263 00:53:43,987 --> 00:53:48,595 The next day, I had to go back to New York, 1264 00:53:48,692 --> 00:53:52,936 and I... she found a card of a girl in a dress 1265 00:53:53,263 --> 00:53:56,870 on a beach, jumping up in the air joyously. 1266 00:53:56,967 --> 00:54:00,779 And inside, she'd written "One day since yesterday." 1267 00:54:00,904 --> 00:54:05,751 ♪ Was it just one day since yesterday? ♪ 1268 00:54:05,842 --> 00:54:14,489 ♪ Will it all be again? ♪ 1269 00:54:14,584 --> 00:54:15,824 [cheering] 1270 00:54:15,952 --> 00:54:17,397 Thank you! 1271 00:54:18,922 --> 00:54:19,255 He had a lot of it already written, 1272 00:54:19,256 --> 00:54:21,236 He had a lot of it already written, 1273 00:54:21,358 --> 00:54:22,701 a lot of the poetry going, 1274 00:54:22,826 --> 00:54:25,363 and it was just like, okay, that flows really good, 1275 00:54:25,495 --> 00:54:27,771 so I... I worked on a melody for it, 1276 00:54:27,864 --> 00:54:30,845 and in a couple or three hours, we had a song. 1277 00:54:30,967 --> 00:54:34,244 Earl and I had recorded it on a cassette. 1278 00:54:34,371 --> 00:54:36,817 When Dorothy came to New York and we played it for her, 1279 00:54:36,940 --> 00:54:38,942 she was very touched. 1280 00:54:39,276 --> 00:54:41,847 I used to sing all the time to girls 1281 00:54:41,978 --> 00:54:43,787 when I was... when I was courting 1282 00:54:43,913 --> 00:54:47,383 or even when we'd already established as a relationship. 1283 00:54:47,484 --> 00:54:48,519 I would sing all the time. 1284 00:54:50,053 --> 00:54:52,397 And it came out of the fact that, 1285 00:54:52,522 --> 00:54:55,435 in musicals that I liked, like "Singing in the Rain" 1286 00:54:55,558 --> 00:54:58,300 or "On The Town" 1287 00:54:58,428 --> 00:55:01,739 or "Bandwagon" or... 1288 00:55:01,865 --> 00:55:02,969 you know, musicals, 1289 00:55:03,300 --> 00:55:05,007 people sang all the time to each other. 1290 00:55:05,335 --> 00:55:06,541 I thought, well, that's nice. 1291 00:55:06,670 --> 00:55:09,708 I'll just do the same thing. Why not? 1292 00:55:09,839 --> 00:55:11,944 SHEPHERD: What was that one he was always singing? 1293 00:55:12,042 --> 00:55:13,453 Um... 1294 00:55:13,576 --> 00:55:17,956 ♪ Fools rush in, so here am I ♪ 1295 00:55:18,048 --> 00:55:21,894 ♪ Very glad to be unhappy ♪ 1296 00:55:22,018 --> 00:55:25,556 ♪ I can't win, so here I am ♪ 1297 00:55:25,689 --> 00:55:30,297 ♪ More than glad to be unhappy ♪ 1298 00:55:30,427 --> 00:55:32,338 ♪ Unrequited love's a bore ♪ 1299 00:55:32,462 --> 00:55:34,567 ♪ And I've got it pretty bad ♪ 1300 00:55:34,698 --> 00:55:36,905 ♪ But for someone you adore ♪ 1301 00:55:37,033 --> 00:55:41,504 ♪ It's a pleasure to be sad ♪ 1302 00:55:41,638 --> 00:55:46,383 And that song was something that wooed me 1303 00:55:46,509 --> 00:55:49,581 and endeared him to me, 1304 00:55:49,679 --> 00:55:51,989 and we sing it together still. 1305 00:55:53,683 --> 00:55:55,060 I had a neighbor at the time. 1306 00:55:55,385 --> 00:55:56,455 I don't remember her name. 1307 00:55:56,586 --> 00:55:58,065 She did tarot readings. 1308 00:55:58,388 --> 00:56:00,595 And the card that was in the middle, 1309 00:56:00,724 --> 00:56:02,328 that was the most important card 1310 00:56:02,459 --> 00:56:05,463 was the tower struck by lightning. 1311 00:56:05,562 --> 00:56:09,476 She literally turned white as a sheet 1312 00:56:09,599 --> 00:56:11,943 when she saw the spread. 1313 00:56:12,068 --> 00:56:14,070 And I looked at her, and she says, 1314 00:56:14,404 --> 00:56:15,781 "Anna, I really... I hate to tell you this. 1315 00:56:15,905 --> 00:56:18,044 "I'm terribly sorry to tell you this, 1316 00:56:18,375 --> 00:56:19,877 "but something devastating 1317 00:56:20,009 --> 00:56:21,750 is going to happen to your brother." 1318 00:56:21,878 --> 00:56:23,551 And it was the middle of the night. 1319 00:56:23,680 --> 00:56:27,093 And Linda, who was my girlfriend at the time, called me 1320 00:56:27,417 --> 00:56:28,896 and said that something terrible has happened. 1321 00:56:28,985 --> 00:56:30,760 It's the kind of thing that you're told, 1322 00:56:30,854 --> 00:56:33,357 in the middle that you ask, "Again, what did you just say?" 1323 00:56:33,456 --> 00:56:37,427 It was unreal, totally shocking, 1324 00:56:37,560 --> 00:56:40,905 and I actually almost didn't believe what I was hearing. 1325 00:56:41,030 --> 00:56:43,374 I remember something was wrung, 1326 00:56:43,466 --> 00:56:44,843 because every single phone 1327 00:56:44,968 --> 00:56:48,506 on his 6 to 12 phone lines were lit up, 1328 00:56:48,605 --> 00:56:49,845 every single one. 1329 00:56:49,973 --> 00:56:52,078 And Peter was nowhere to be found. 1330 00:56:52,409 --> 00:56:54,289 The radio was playing quietly in the background, 1331 00:56:54,444 --> 00:56:57,391 and I all of a sudden heard something 1332 00:56:57,514 --> 00:57:02,964 about, you know, dead, Playmate, Dorothy Stratten, 1333 00:57:03,086 --> 00:57:04,531 and then murder. 1334 00:57:04,621 --> 00:57:06,601 I got the call from Polly. 1335 00:57:06,723 --> 00:57:10,671 She said, "Anna, something terrible has happened. 1336 00:57:10,760 --> 00:57:12,933 "Please go over to the house 1337 00:57:13,029 --> 00:57:15,976 and see that the children are all right." 1338 00:57:16,099 --> 00:57:17,544 "What happened?" 1339 00:57:17,634 --> 00:57:19,545 "Dorothy has been murdered 1340 00:57:19,669 --> 00:57:22,479 "by her estranged husband. 1341 00:57:22,605 --> 00:57:24,846 "Please go over there immediately. 1342 00:57:24,974 --> 00:57:26,851 I'm terrified for the children." 1343 00:57:26,976 --> 00:57:28,546 You hear things on the news, 1344 00:57:28,678 --> 00:57:30,817 and, you know, you keep on doing your business, 1345 00:57:30,914 --> 00:57:32,894 and it's just like you just, you know... 1346 00:57:33,016 --> 00:57:36,020 You just don't realize that this is somebody's family. 1347 00:57:36,152 --> 00:57:40,567 This is somebody's mother or sister, you know. 1348 00:57:40,690 --> 00:57:43,728 You know, Peter was hysterical pretty much, 1349 00:57:43,860 --> 00:57:46,431 and Blaine was trying to control him 1350 00:57:46,563 --> 00:57:48,702 from literally not getting in a car 1351 00:57:48,832 --> 00:57:51,005 and driving off the side of a cliff. 1352 00:57:51,134 --> 00:57:52,841 I've never seen my brother like that. 1353 00:57:52,969 --> 00:57:56,576 You hear that news, and you try to imagine 1354 00:57:56,673 --> 00:58:01,452 the circumstances that could have led to this. Why? 1355 00:58:01,578 --> 00:58:03,182 I'm in Positano, in Italy, 1356 00:58:03,513 --> 00:58:04,583 and I see a headline. 1357 00:58:04,681 --> 00:58:07,719 "Dorothy Stratten Murdered," 1358 00:58:07,851 --> 00:58:10,923 and I pick it up, and, uh, my God. 1359 00:58:11,054 --> 00:58:13,898 Peter and I, unfortunately, 1360 00:58:14,023 --> 00:58:16,128 after "They All Laughed," 1361 00:58:16,226 --> 00:58:17,671 we were estranged. 1362 00:58:17,794 --> 00:58:19,068 I wasn't talking to Peter, 1363 00:58:19,195 --> 00:58:20,799 he wasn't talking to me, 1364 00:58:20,930 --> 00:58:22,876 so I didn't pick up a phone and call. 1365 00:58:22,999 --> 00:58:25,001 I did nothing but feel terrible. 1366 00:58:25,134 --> 00:58:26,477 I don't know if you knew, 1367 00:58:26,569 --> 00:58:29,015 but they... somebody told me and said, 1368 00:58:29,105 --> 00:58:32,177 "But you can't tell Louise that her sister's dead." 1369 00:58:32,509 --> 00:58:35,046 So I had to pretend for, like, half an hour... 1370 00:58:35,178 --> 00:58:37,886 I was just looking at her, going, "Oh, my God, her sister's dead." 1371 00:58:37,981 --> 00:58:41,519 They told her that she was taken on a modeling trip. 1372 00:58:41,651 --> 00:58:43,153 Yeah, and I thought, "Why are they lying?" 1373 00:58:43,253 --> 00:58:44,493 Like, I was so pissed off. 1374 00:58:44,621 --> 00:58:46,828 And then, afterwards, I found out 1375 00:58:46,956 --> 00:58:48,833 that her mother wanted to break her the news, 1376 00:58:48,958 --> 00:58:50,904 which, okay, totally understandable now. 1377 00:58:50,994 --> 00:58:53,634 But as a child, the fact that I had to pretend like I didn't... 1378 00:58:53,763 --> 00:58:55,003 I felt like I was betraying her. 1379 00:58:55,031 --> 00:58:57,170 My mom chose not to talk about it, 1380 00:58:57,300 --> 00:59:00,179 and the way that she survived was to pretend 1381 00:59:00,303 --> 00:59:04,513 that, you know, she didn't exist, I guess. 1382 00:59:04,607 --> 00:59:08,646 Um, and pictures were taken down. 1383 00:59:08,745 --> 00:59:10,225 We were not allowed to talk about her. 1384 00:59:10,280 --> 00:59:11,850 We weren't allowed to bring up her name. 1385 00:59:11,981 --> 00:59:14,723 Dorothy was serious. 1386 00:59:14,851 --> 00:59:17,058 She was rather quiet and thoughtful, 1387 00:59:17,186 --> 00:59:19,063 um, certainly kind. 1388 00:59:19,155 --> 00:59:20,190 Um... 1389 00:59:26,930 --> 00:59:29,206 Maybe we should stop for a second. 1390 00:59:31,834 --> 00:59:34,940 I think he was trying to get comfort from us, 1391 00:59:35,071 --> 00:59:36,675 but he couldn't even walk. 1392 00:59:36,773 --> 00:59:40,118 I just remember that he wanted to come to us 1393 00:59:40,243 --> 00:59:42,120 and that he was crawling on the flour. 1394 00:59:42,245 --> 00:59:43,952 At first, they told us we couldn't see him, 1395 00:59:44,080 --> 00:59:45,150 and we were both like, "We're going." 1396 00:59:45,281 --> 00:59:46,817 We're going upstairs to see him. 1397 00:59:46,916 --> 00:59:50,830 And I know that... that he was on, like, a daybed in... 1398 00:59:50,920 --> 00:59:52,729 like, not even in his bedroom. 1399 00:59:52,855 --> 00:59:54,562 Because he was with Dorothy. 1400 00:59:54,691 --> 00:59:56,728 Yeah, he was staying with Dorothy in his bedroom, 1401 00:59:56,859 --> 00:59:59,703 so I think they moved him into another room, 1402 00:59:59,796 --> 01:00:02,140 and I'm sure he hadn't slept. 1403 01:00:02,265 --> 01:00:04,905 [sighs] 1404 01:00:05,034 --> 01:00:07,241 Yeah, sorry. 1405 01:00:07,337 --> 01:00:08,714 Poor dad. 1406 01:00:08,838 --> 01:00:10,749 [woman vocalizing] 1407 01:00:32,195 --> 01:00:35,005 Everybody was trying to get him to go back to work on the movie, 1408 01:00:35,131 --> 01:00:38,271 just... just jump right back into working. 1409 01:00:38,401 --> 01:00:40,142 People were pushing him to do... 1410 01:00:40,269 --> 01:00:42,078 At first, he was like, "I can't do it." 1411 01:00:42,205 --> 01:00:44,014 And then I think he got pushed into it. 1412 01:00:44,107 --> 01:00:45,882 And then he decided, "Well, I should do it." 1413 01:00:45,975 --> 01:00:47,215 When she was killed, 1414 01:00:47,343 --> 01:00:48,947 the picture wasn't even finished editing yet. 1415 01:00:49,078 --> 01:00:50,518 I remember thinking this is not good. 1416 01:00:50,647 --> 01:00:51,921 No. 1417 01:00:52,048 --> 01:00:54,289 He should not be watching dailies of Dorothy 1418 01:00:54,384 --> 01:00:56,159 over and over and over and over. 1419 01:00:56,252 --> 01:00:58,698 I don't understand how he even did it. 1420 01:00:58,821 --> 01:01:01,631 He couldn't sit around doing nothing. 1421 01:01:01,724 --> 01:01:02,759 Yeah, that's true. 1422 01:01:02,892 --> 01:01:04,166 There was no way. He... He had to work. 1423 01:01:04,260 --> 01:01:05,637 John was there a lot, 1424 01:01:05,762 --> 01:01:07,298 during a lot of those screenings, John Ritter, 1425 01:01:07,430 --> 01:01:09,171 'cause my dad would just weep through those screenings, 1426 01:01:09,298 --> 01:01:11,209 and it was just so hard. 1427 01:01:11,334 --> 01:01:13,940 Before the film opened, 1428 01:01:14,070 --> 01:01:15,811 we did some looping here in Burbank. 1429 01:01:15,938 --> 01:01:17,781 And he said, "Put on reel five," 1430 01:01:17,874 --> 01:01:19,080 which was the final reel. 1431 01:01:19,208 --> 01:01:24,214 And I remember the scene where John and Dorothy 1432 01:01:24,347 --> 01:01:25,917 kind of get their glasses locked. 1433 01:01:26,049 --> 01:01:29,053 And as I was watching that for the first time, 1434 01:01:29,152 --> 01:01:31,928 I just happened to turn around to look at Peter. 1435 01:01:32,021 --> 01:01:33,830 I was maybe 14 years old, 1436 01:01:33,956 --> 01:01:36,960 but I will never forget that look on his face 1437 01:01:37,093 --> 01:01:42,099 of such deep, honest love 1438 01:01:42,231 --> 01:01:46,873 and grief and loss, 1439 01:01:47,003 --> 01:01:49,040 but love. 1440 01:01:51,474 --> 01:01:55,081 This line here, this is your heart line. 1441 01:01:55,178 --> 01:01:58,091 It shows you're very emotional. 1442 01:01:58,214 --> 01:02:00,216 Emotions are terrific. 1443 01:02:00,349 --> 01:02:03,353 Besides, nobody can help how they feel. 1444 01:02:03,486 --> 01:02:05,693 Uh-uh. Now here's a problem. 1445 01:02:05,822 --> 01:02:07,028 What's that? 1446 01:02:07,156 --> 01:02:08,863 You're married, right? 1447 01:02:08,991 --> 01:02:10,402 Right. 1448 01:02:10,727 --> 01:02:12,764 Well, that line's a little short. It's weak. 1449 01:02:12,895 --> 01:02:14,375 But that's not what I'm worried about. 1450 01:02:14,430 --> 01:02:15,704 No? 1451 01:02:15,798 --> 01:02:18,108 There's a bad romance here. 1452 01:02:18,234 --> 01:02:19,736 Oh, really? 1453 01:02:19,869 --> 01:02:21,371 Very bad. You see this line? 1454 01:02:21,471 --> 01:02:23,246 It goes nowhere. 1455 01:02:23,372 --> 01:02:26,785 Buy, that doesn't leave me with much, does it? 1456 01:02:26,909 --> 01:02:29,253 Well, now, I... I don't know. 1457 01:02:29,378 --> 01:02:32,257 There's... There's something new right here. 1458 01:02:32,348 --> 01:02:34,021 It's very promising. 1459 01:02:34,150 --> 01:02:35,458 You see this line? 1460 01:02:35,785 --> 01:02:38,789 It goes on forever. 1461 01:02:38,921 --> 01:02:41,197 Maybe that's my skating line. 1462 01:02:41,324 --> 01:02:43,270 Your skating line? 1463 01:02:43,359 --> 01:02:46,306 No, that's your true passion line. 1464 01:02:46,429 --> 01:02:48,807 But you see, it's clear of the marriage line. 1465 01:02:48,931 --> 01:02:51,275 It doesn't start till... 1466 01:02:51,400 --> 01:02:53,073 Are you getting a divorce? 1467 01:02:53,202 --> 01:02:54,340 It's astonishing, because, obviously, 1468 01:02:54,470 --> 01:02:55,778 the spirit of the film 1469 01:02:55,905 --> 01:03:01,287 is very, uh, intoxicating and romantic. 1470 01:03:01,377 --> 01:03:03,880 And you could say, well, he made it to display... 1471 01:03:04,013 --> 01:03:05,185 or, you know, his feelings about Dorothy 1472 01:03:05,314 --> 01:03:07,351 and how wonderful she was and so on. 1473 01:03:07,483 --> 01:03:09,827 But still, there's nothing about the way the film is made 1474 01:03:09,952 --> 01:03:13,024 that reflects the tragedy that had taken place. 1475 01:03:13,122 --> 01:03:16,501 ♪ These little town blues ♪ 1476 01:03:16,826 --> 01:03:20,433 ♪ Are melting away ♪ 1477 01:03:20,530 --> 01:03:24,979 ♪ I'll make a brand-new start of it... ♪ 1478 01:03:25,101 --> 01:03:26,910 The songs that Sinatra supplied 1479 01:03:27,036 --> 01:03:29,778 from the "Trilogy" collection that had just come out, 1480 01:03:29,906 --> 01:03:31,908 that was such a huge hit at the time, 1481 01:03:32,008 --> 01:03:35,182 I can't imagine "They All Laughed" without those songs. 1482 01:03:35,278 --> 01:03:37,849 And also the way that Bogdanovich uses the music in the movie, 1483 01:03:37,980 --> 01:03:39,050 where it's not... 1484 01:03:39,182 --> 01:03:40,991 It doesn't have a score, you know. 1485 01:03:41,117 --> 01:03:43,791 It's... it's people, they're hearing it on the radio. 1486 01:03:43,886 --> 01:03:45,229 They're hearing it in a club. 1487 01:03:45,354 --> 01:03:47,231 It's just part of the sounds of the city. 1488 01:03:47,356 --> 01:03:49,097 I called them, and I said I wanted to use 1489 01:03:49,225 --> 01:03:52,798 four songs from "Trilogy" in the picture. 1490 01:03:52,895 --> 01:03:54,067 "New York, New York," 1491 01:03:54,163 --> 01:03:56,074 which was playing everywhere that summer... 1492 01:03:56,165 --> 01:03:57,371 spring and summer. 1493 01:03:57,500 --> 01:03:59,275 It was everywhere you'd go, it was playing. 1494 01:03:59,402 --> 01:04:02,383 "More Than You Know," 1495 01:04:02,505 --> 01:04:04,883 Uh, "You and Me," a song I loved, 1496 01:04:05,007 --> 01:04:07,510 and, uh, "They All Laughed," the title of the song. 1497 01:04:07,977 --> 01:04:09,388 I said, "We don't have a lot of money, Frank, 1498 01:04:09,512 --> 01:04:11,082 "but I'd like to use the four songs. 1499 01:04:11,214 --> 01:04:12,989 You think you could get me a deal?" 1500 01:04:13,115 --> 01:04:14,555 He said, "I'll get back to you, kid." 1501 01:04:14,617 --> 01:04:17,359 He calls me back a few days later. 1502 01:04:17,453 --> 01:04:20,491 He gets me the whole package, all four songs, 1503 01:04:20,590 --> 01:04:22,866 the publishing, the sync license, 1504 01:04:22,992 --> 01:04:28,374 the, uh, performance rights, everything, $5,000. 1505 01:04:28,464 --> 01:04:30,375 He said, "Can you manage that?" 1506 01:04:30,466 --> 01:04:32,969 I said, "Jesus, Frank, thank you." 1507 01:04:33,069 --> 01:04:34,844 That was a friend. 1508 01:04:36,405 --> 01:04:40,376 ♪ They all laughed at Christopher Columbus... ♪ 1509 01:04:40,509 --> 01:04:43,319 We had a preview of the picture down in Florida, 1510 01:04:43,446 --> 01:04:44,982 and it wasn't a great preview. 1511 01:04:45,114 --> 01:04:46,559 It wasn't terrible, 1512 01:04:46,883 --> 01:04:49,003 but I didn't feel the audience was completely with it. 1513 01:04:49,085 --> 01:04:51,395 There was a... a great feeling 1514 01:04:51,520 --> 01:04:53,932 that, uh, Peter was full of himself, 1515 01:04:54,056 --> 01:04:55,535 that he had great hubris, 1516 01:04:55,625 --> 01:04:58,469 uh, that he... success had gone to his head, 1517 01:04:58,594 --> 01:05:00,938 and, um, there was a great feeling 1518 01:05:01,063 --> 01:05:03,407 of schadenfreude about Peter, 1519 01:05:03,499 --> 01:05:07,072 that, you know, he had to be brought back down to Earth. 1520 01:05:07,203 --> 01:05:09,149 Now, "They All Laughed" came in the wake 1521 01:05:09,238 --> 01:05:12,014 of the tragedy of Dorothy Stratten and so on. 1522 01:05:12,108 --> 01:05:15,055 That people would continue their vicious attitude 1523 01:05:15,177 --> 01:05:17,487 toward Peter even after that, 1524 01:05:17,613 --> 01:05:19,559 I think, is embarrassing 1525 01:05:19,682 --> 01:05:21,559 and doesn't speak well of these people, 1526 01:05:21,684 --> 01:05:23,960 um, but people had it out for him. 1527 01:05:25,922 --> 01:05:30,564 ♪ And they laughed at me wanting you... ♪ 1528 01:05:30,660 --> 01:05:32,435 Peter had problems with "They All Laughed" 1529 01:05:32,561 --> 01:05:34,234 in the fact that they didn't believe 1530 01:05:34,363 --> 01:05:35,933 in the film somehow, and they were... 1531 01:05:36,065 --> 01:05:38,204 Fox was just gonna put it out in a very small way. 1532 01:05:38,334 --> 01:05:41,941 Dorothy's murder made me not trust anybody, 1533 01:05:42,071 --> 01:05:44,915 and in that time, I lost my temper a few times. 1534 01:05:45,007 --> 01:05:47,248 I was difficult to work with. 1535 01:05:47,376 --> 01:05:49,583 I was... made snap decisions 1536 01:05:49,679 --> 01:05:52,182 and just wouldn't be talked out of them, 1537 01:05:52,315 --> 01:05:55,091 and one of them was that I would buy the film back 1538 01:05:55,217 --> 01:05:57,356 and distribute the movie myself. 1539 01:05:57,486 --> 01:05:59,193 ♪ Har har har ♪ 1540 01:05:59,288 --> 01:06:04,067 ♪ Who's got the last laugh now? ♪ 1541 01:06:07,263 --> 01:06:08,503 Big mistake. 1542 01:06:08,631 --> 01:06:10,508 [laughter from song] 1543 01:06:16,072 --> 01:06:18,382 Uh, buying back the film, 1544 01:06:18,507 --> 01:06:21,113 when I first heard about that, I thought, oh, God. 1545 01:06:21,243 --> 01:06:22,244 You know, what's he doing? 1546 01:06:22,378 --> 01:06:23,516 Because how could that work? 1547 01:06:23,646 --> 01:06:25,489 How is that gonna work, ever? 1548 01:06:25,581 --> 01:06:29,358 I mortgaged my house, which was not in mortgage. 1549 01:06:29,485 --> 01:06:31,021 I owned it outright. 1550 01:06:31,153 --> 01:06:34,100 I can understand him wanting to keep his baby alive 1551 01:06:34,223 --> 01:06:36,499 and his tribute to Dorothy alive somehow, 1552 01:06:36,625 --> 01:06:39,435 but an individual doesn't have the power. 1553 01:06:39,562 --> 01:06:40,973 For a multitude of reasons, 1554 01:06:41,063 --> 01:06:42,974 we all took a hard stance. 1555 01:06:43,099 --> 01:06:45,272 The leader in that was Blaine, 1556 01:06:45,401 --> 01:06:47,506 and that sort of broke their relationship. 1557 01:06:47,636 --> 01:06:49,309 I remember the sort of peak of it 1558 01:06:49,438 --> 01:06:51,111 was a screaming scene in the parking lot 1559 01:06:51,207 --> 01:06:52,277 at the Bel-Air house. 1560 01:06:52,408 --> 01:06:53,488 Peter looked at me and said, 1561 01:06:53,576 --> 01:06:55,317 "Well, how do you feel about it, Sean? 1562 01:06:55,444 --> 01:06:56,444 Where do you stand?" 1563 01:06:56,545 --> 01:06:58,252 I was young. It wasn't my place 1564 01:06:58,347 --> 01:07:01,055 to sort of jump up and say here's my opinion. 1565 01:07:01,183 --> 01:07:02,662 But I think he knew at that point 1566 01:07:02,752 --> 01:07:04,527 that we all felt 1567 01:07:04,653 --> 01:07:07,031 that we wanted to preserve him and save him. 1568 01:07:07,156 --> 01:07:11,070 And I said to him, "Peter, the artist doesn't have to do this." 1569 01:07:11,193 --> 01:07:15,005 Advice of that kind, you say it once, and that's it. 1570 01:07:15,131 --> 01:07:17,133 I didn't say it ever again. 1571 01:07:17,233 --> 01:07:19,679 On one hand, we're trying to protect him. 1572 01:07:19,802 --> 01:07:21,577 We all loved the film, 1573 01:07:21,704 --> 01:07:26,278 but we don't want him to risk a life's worth of savings, 1574 01:07:26,409 --> 01:07:28,320 of... of equity in his home 1575 01:07:28,444 --> 01:07:31,152 at a time when he's really trying 1576 01:07:31,280 --> 01:07:34,090 to prove to the world that it's a great film, 1577 01:07:34,216 --> 01:07:36,423 that... And all of this is exacerbated 1578 01:07:36,519 --> 01:07:39,693 by the terrible emotional state that he's in. 1579 01:07:39,822 --> 01:07:42,564 BALL: It was just what he needed to do at the time. 1580 01:07:42,691 --> 01:07:45,297 All this was in Dorothy's memory in a way, I think. 1581 01:07:45,394 --> 01:07:49,069 The thing that they had together was that film and those songs 1582 01:07:49,198 --> 01:07:51,200 and the music from that film. 1583 01:07:51,333 --> 01:07:53,438 He spent a lot of money doing that. 1584 01:07:53,569 --> 01:07:57,176 At that point, he had lost so much, he wasn't worried about money. 1585 01:07:57,306 --> 01:07:59,377 [music playing] 1586 01:08:14,623 --> 01:08:16,193 There wasn't, though, this idea 1587 01:08:16,325 --> 01:08:18,066 of the American independent cinema 1588 01:08:18,194 --> 01:08:20,265 and independent distributors 1589 01:08:20,396 --> 01:08:22,603 like... like Miramax came to represent. 1590 01:08:22,731 --> 01:08:24,335 There were... There were some, obviously, 1591 01:08:24,467 --> 01:08:26,276 in the mid-eighties that kind of got going. 1592 01:08:26,402 --> 01:08:28,780 It was a little too early for that. 1593 01:08:29,105 --> 01:08:30,675 You know, Roger Corman had his company. 1594 01:08:30,806 --> 01:08:33,150 Cannon Films came along and so on. 1595 01:08:33,275 --> 01:08:37,746 But there wasn't this thriving, vibrant, independent scene yet. 1596 01:08:37,847 --> 01:08:41,761 But the idea behind Moon Pictures was a great idea. 1597 01:08:41,884 --> 01:08:45,491 I mean, I find it as admirable as Coppola with Zoetrope. 1598 01:08:45,588 --> 01:08:47,261 CAMP: There was many things 1599 01:08:47,389 --> 01:08:50,427 that I wish could have happened for the film, 1600 01:08:50,559 --> 01:08:53,768 because when Peter bought the film back from Fox 1601 01:08:53,863 --> 01:08:57,436 and he did his own release... 1602 01:08:57,566 --> 01:08:59,705 But you need an infrastructure 1603 01:08:59,835 --> 01:09:02,111 to release, you know, a movie 1604 01:09:02,204 --> 01:09:06,653 and a... and a song or a soundtrack. 1605 01:09:06,775 --> 01:09:09,278 BALL: I'm on one side of the single singing a song, 1606 01:09:09,411 --> 01:09:12,290 and Colleen's on the other side, I think. 1607 01:09:12,414 --> 01:09:14,294 Peter did not want to sell it to a record label. 1608 01:09:14,416 --> 01:09:17,556 He wanted to release his own under Moon Records. 1609 01:09:17,686 --> 01:09:19,222 [music continues ] 1610 01:09:34,503 --> 01:09:38,178 I saw "They All Laughed" its third weekend 1611 01:09:38,307 --> 01:09:40,719 in 1981 when it opened in Los Angeles. 1612 01:09:40,843 --> 01:09:43,722 It played at the Laemmle Music Hall, which is now three screens, 1613 01:09:43,846 --> 01:09:46,156 but back then, it was one screen. 1614 01:09:46,248 --> 01:09:47,818 And so when "They All Laughed" opened, 1615 01:09:47,917 --> 01:09:49,757 it opened exclusively at the Laemmle Music Hall 1616 01:09:49,818 --> 01:09:53,163 for about at least a month, if not a little bit more. 1617 01:09:53,289 --> 01:09:55,291 And it got great reviews. 1618 01:09:55,424 --> 01:09:57,563 So, literally, it was like a line. 1619 01:09:57,660 --> 01:10:00,368 You know, it was lines all the way outside with Lesley Ann Warren 1620 01:10:00,496 --> 01:10:01,839 and, you know, all these like, you know, 1621 01:10:01,931 --> 01:10:02,931 notable people of the day. 1622 01:10:03,199 --> 01:10:04,735 Beverly D'Angelo or somebody, 1623 01:10:04,867 --> 01:10:07,177 you know, going to see... going to see the film, 1624 01:10:07,269 --> 01:10:08,873 and... and it just killed. 1625 01:10:09,205 --> 01:10:10,878 It just played like gangbusters. 1626 01:10:11,207 --> 01:10:14,313 I'd never quite seen something exactly like that before. 1627 01:10:14,410 --> 01:10:18,449 Me being a really young man in love with movies, 1628 01:10:18,581 --> 01:10:19,889 in love with the idea of movies, 1629 01:10:20,216 --> 01:10:21,376 never had a girlfriend before, 1630 01:10:21,483 --> 01:10:23,224 in love with the idea of being in love, 1631 01:10:23,352 --> 01:10:25,730 all that kind of stuff just really hit me in particular 1632 01:10:25,854 --> 01:10:28,334 in a really charmed, pixilated, 1633 01:10:28,457 --> 01:10:29,834 Cupid's arrow kind of way. 1634 01:10:47,476 --> 01:10:49,353 And then when we went on the city break, 1635 01:10:49,478 --> 01:10:51,253 we got into Mann's Theaters, 1636 01:10:51,380 --> 01:10:53,621 'cause we wanted to be in the Mann's Theater in Westwood. 1637 01:10:53,749 --> 01:10:57,526 We were the top-grossing picture in Westwood that first week. 1638 01:10:57,653 --> 01:11:00,793 And they pulled us out to put in "Reds" because Paramount, 1639 01:11:00,923 --> 01:11:02,834 so we got screwed. 1640 01:11:02,958 --> 01:11:04,369 That happened all the time. 1641 01:11:04,460 --> 01:11:06,440 You can't... You can't self-distribute, 1642 01:11:06,562 --> 01:11:08,235 because you have no clout. 1643 01:11:08,330 --> 01:11:10,241 It would have been something extraordinary, I think. 1644 01:11:10,366 --> 01:11:13,245 I mean, we'd be... we'd be having a different conversation 1645 01:11:13,369 --> 01:11:14,848 if Moon Pictures had taken off 1646 01:11:14,970 --> 01:11:16,643 and "They All Laughed" had... you know, 1647 01:11:16,772 --> 01:11:18,945 somehow, he'd been able to successfully distribute it. 1648 01:11:19,275 --> 01:11:22,381 Uh, it would... We'd be having a different conversation. 1649 01:11:22,511 --> 01:11:25,651 This is Les Nessman with Show Beat. 1650 01:11:25,781 --> 01:11:28,660 Our guest today, the actress Colleen Camp. 1651 01:11:28,751 --> 01:11:30,287 You're here in the Queen City 1652 01:11:30,419 --> 01:11:31,727 for the opening of the new... 1653 01:11:31,854 --> 01:11:33,424 Bogdin-an-anovich film, are you not? 1654 01:11:33,555 --> 01:11:35,330 [laugh track] 1655 01:11:35,457 --> 01:11:36,800 Bogdanovich. 1656 01:11:36,892 --> 01:11:38,735 Yes. Well, whatever. 1657 01:11:38,861 --> 01:11:39,999 "They All Laughed." 1658 01:11:40,329 --> 01:11:41,330 Excuse me? 1659 01:11:41,463 --> 01:11:42,533 That's the name of the picture. 1660 01:11:42,665 --> 01:11:44,269 It opens here in Cincinnati on Friday. 1661 01:11:44,366 --> 01:11:46,539 And what about all the sex and violence? 1662 01:11:46,635 --> 01:11:47,875 Excuse me? 1663 01:11:48,003 --> 01:11:49,346 Well, I am one American 1664 01:11:49,471 --> 01:11:51,451 who is sick and tired of slow-motion death. 1665 01:11:51,573 --> 01:11:52,881 [laugh track] 1666 01:11:53,008 --> 01:11:54,988 I think it's about time that Hollywood made films 1667 01:11:55,311 --> 01:11:56,551 we decent Americans could watch. 1668 01:11:56,578 --> 01:11:58,285 I worked at this video store. 1669 01:11:58,380 --> 01:12:00,018 The guy who owned that video store, 1670 01:12:00,349 --> 01:12:01,885 part of the getting to know him 1671 01:12:02,017 --> 01:12:03,690 and, you know, that whole thing happening 1672 01:12:03,819 --> 01:12:05,628 was just coming in and talking about movies. 1673 01:12:05,754 --> 01:12:10,567 And it was just a little bit after "They All Laughed" had come out, 1674 01:12:10,659 --> 01:12:12,696 and he saw it, and he loved it, 1675 01:12:12,828 --> 01:12:14,466 and I saw it, and I loved it. 1676 01:12:14,596 --> 01:12:15,973 And we started talking about Dorothy Stratten, 1677 01:12:16,065 --> 01:12:18,011 about how sad it was, you know, that... 1678 01:12:18,334 --> 01:12:19,711 you know, that she was gone. 1679 01:12:19,802 --> 01:12:22,578 And he described the perfect thing. 1680 01:12:22,705 --> 01:12:24,742 'Cause I actually felt the same-J felt the same thing, too, 1681 01:12:24,873 --> 01:12:27,353 but I liked the way he described it. His name was Lance Lawson. 1682 01:12:27,476 --> 01:12:29,752 You knew she was dead when you bought a ticket, 1683 01:12:29,878 --> 01:12:31,482 and then you forget about it. 1684 01:12:31,613 --> 01:12:33,354 She's so just charming. 1685 01:12:33,482 --> 01:12:37,589 She's just an enchanting, movie-starrish, charming presence 1686 01:12:37,720 --> 01:12:39,529 and a funny little comedienne 1687 01:12:39,655 --> 01:12:43,626 and fit so well into this fabric of all these characters. 1688 01:12:43,759 --> 01:12:47,764 When the movie's over and you're having the closing credits 1689 01:12:47,896 --> 01:12:49,671 and then it cuts to Dorothy Stratten 1690 01:12:49,798 --> 01:12:51,641 and when you see her name there, 1691 01:12:51,767 --> 01:12:55,078 it was like the entire theater remembered she was murdered. 1692 01:12:55,404 --> 01:12:56,781 You actually forget, 1693 01:12:56,905 --> 01:12:58,646 and something about seeing her face 1694 01:12:58,774 --> 01:13:00,481 and her name at the end of the movie 1695 01:13:00,576 --> 01:13:02,954 just reminded everybody in the theater, 1696 01:13:03,078 --> 01:13:07,618 and then there was just this giant sense of loss. 1697 01:13:07,716 --> 01:13:11,630 Just the auditorium just had this one collective sense of loss. 1698 01:13:13,856 --> 01:13:16,632 BOGDANOVICH: See, it was an insane period. 1699 01:13:16,725 --> 01:13:20,036 We played 19 weeks in Seattle, one theater. 1700 01:13:20,129 --> 01:13:21,767 Big hit in Philadelphia. 1701 01:13:21,897 --> 01:13:23,934 We had big hits here and there, 1702 01:13:24,066 --> 01:13:26,046 but we ran out of money, 1703 01:13:26,168 --> 01:13:27,943 couldn't keep it going. 1704 01:13:28,070 --> 01:13:29,845 When you look back on it, you can say, 1705 01:13:29,972 --> 01:13:34,387 well, that was the only way that that movie could be seen. 1706 01:13:34,510 --> 01:13:35,989 And, you know, if it had been me, 1707 01:13:36,111 --> 01:13:38,057 I probably would have done the same thing. 1708 01:13:38,180 --> 01:13:40,660 Because art, I mean, it's just... it's like your baby. 1709 01:13:40,749 --> 01:13:43,059 And especially because of Dorothy was killed. 1710 01:13:43,152 --> 01:13:46,429 I mean, it was the wrong thing to do, you know. 1711 01:13:46,555 --> 01:13:48,660 Financially, I mean, it bottomed him out. 1712 01:13:48,791 --> 01:13:51,670 But he did it for the art. 1713 01:13:51,794 --> 01:13:53,671 [music playing] 1714 01:14:00,169 --> 01:14:03,616 I know Peter did an awful lot of thinking after that, 1715 01:14:03,739 --> 01:14:06,811 and he wrote quite a compelling book about Dorothy 1716 01:14:06,942 --> 01:14:09,081 and about the details of the murder, 1717 01:14:09,178 --> 01:14:12,091 because those were real and concrete, 1718 01:14:12,181 --> 01:14:14,127 and they were from the real world. 1719 01:14:14,450 --> 01:14:17,556 I was very worried about Peter for a long time, 1720 01:14:17,653 --> 01:14:19,894 and I think "The Killing of the Unicorn," 1721 01:14:20,022 --> 01:14:23,094 which is one of the saddest books I've ever read, 1722 01:14:23,192 --> 01:14:25,968 it helped him to somewhat process it. 1723 01:14:26,094 --> 01:14:29,166 But, no, I don't think you ever recover from that. 1724 01:14:33,202 --> 01:14:36,911 "If 'They All Laughed' was going to be the way I wanted it to be, 1725 01:14:37,039 --> 01:14:40,577 "its characters would behave with politeness and good humor. 1726 01:14:40,709 --> 01:14:42,711 "There would be grace in their sadness 1727 01:14:42,811 --> 01:14:45,189 and stoicism in their dealings with love." 1728 01:14:45,514 --> 01:14:47,755 "Earl Ball and Jo-El Sonnier had written a song 1729 01:14:47,883 --> 01:14:50,454 that summed up my feelings about the film." 1730 01:14:50,586 --> 01:14:53,965 "'lf you love someone, you want what's best for them."' 1731 01:14:58,861 --> 01:15:00,932 "Just One Day Since Yesterday." 1732 01:15:05,000 --> 01:15:07,947 After Dorothy was killed, I stayed at home. 1733 01:15:08,070 --> 01:15:10,072 John calls me up one day. 1734 01:15:10,205 --> 01:15:12,742 He says, "I want you to come over to the house tomorrow. 1735 01:15:12,841 --> 01:15:14,479 "I'm making a picture, and I need you 1736 01:15:14,610 --> 01:15:16,521 to direct me in a scene with Diahnne Abbott." 1737 01:15:16,645 --> 01:15:20,821 I said, "John, you've directed yourself in a number of pictures. 1738 01:15:20,949 --> 01:15:22,485 You don't need me." 1739 01:15:22,618 --> 01:15:24,154 "I'm asking you as a favor, one friend to another, 1740 01:15:24,253 --> 01:15:25,853 "to come over and direct me in the scene. 1741 01:15:25,954 --> 01:15:27,058 You telling me you're not gonna do it?" 1742 01:15:27,189 --> 01:15:29,533 I said, "But, John, you don't need me. 1743 01:15:29,658 --> 01:15:31,160 "Why would you want... What can I do? 1744 01:15:31,293 --> 01:15:32,636 What do you need me for?" 1745 01:15:32,728 --> 01:15:33,672 "Look, I'm asking you to come over 1746 01:15:33,795 --> 01:15:34,967 "and direct me in a scene. 1747 01:15:35,097 --> 01:15:36,617 Are you saying you're not gonna do it?" 1748 01:15:36,665 --> 01:15:38,804 "Okay, I'll do it, John, but you don't... 1749 01:15:38,934 --> 01:15:41,972 "Okay. Well, show up, and come at 2:00," or whatever it was. 1750 01:15:42,104 --> 01:15:44,812 So we shot a couple of shots of Diahnne pulling up in her car. 1751 01:15:44,940 --> 01:15:46,248 I did it in one shot. 1752 01:15:46,575 --> 01:15:47,735 Rehearsed the stuff with John, 1753 01:15:47,809 --> 01:15:49,049 and they were terrific. I didn't... 1754 01:15:49,144 --> 01:15:51,181 I just sort of shot two angles on both of them, 1755 01:15:51,280 --> 01:15:53,055 and that was it. I went home. 1756 01:15:53,148 --> 01:15:54,855 In the final film, he thanks me. 1757 01:15:54,983 --> 01:15:55,984 And I called him, and I said, 1758 01:15:56,118 --> 01:15:57,791 "John, what did you thank me for?" 1759 01:15:57,920 --> 01:15:59,729 He said, "I wanted to give you co-director credit, 1760 01:15:59,855 --> 01:16:01,801 but they wouldn't let me." He's crazy. 1761 01:16:01,924 --> 01:16:04,268 Then I figured it out a long time after the fact. 1762 01:16:04,593 --> 01:16:06,698 He just did it to get me out of the house, 1763 01:16:06,828 --> 01:16:09,707 just did it to get me on a movie set again, 1764 01:16:09,831 --> 01:16:11,310 'cause it did feel like home. 1765 01:16:16,972 --> 01:16:20,215 I agreed to do "Mask" because of Dorothy, really. 1766 01:16:20,342 --> 01:16:22,288 We went to Doubleday's Book Shop, which... 1767 01:16:22,611 --> 01:16:24,682 There was a book about the real Elephant Man. 1768 01:16:24,780 --> 01:16:25,884 She wanted to buy the book. 1769 01:16:26,014 --> 01:16:27,721 I said, "You sure you want to buy that?" 1770 01:16:27,849 --> 01:16:30,887 "Yes," she said very definitely. 1771 01:16:31,019 --> 01:16:33,966 I couldn't figure out what the attraction was. 1772 01:16:34,056 --> 01:16:39,233 So I thought, well, extreme beauty has the same effect 1773 01:16:39,361 --> 01:16:43,138 on the person that has it as extreme ugliness. 1774 01:16:43,265 --> 01:16:47,145 It sets you apart, makes you different. 1775 01:16:47,269 --> 01:16:50,250 It didn't make her happy. In fact, it killed her. 1776 01:16:50,339 --> 01:16:52,842 That's why I thought it would be interesting to make "Mask," 1777 01:16:52,975 --> 01:16:55,751 because it's the same feeling of being outside, 1778 01:16:55,877 --> 01:16:58,983 not being the same as everybody else. 1779 01:16:59,114 --> 01:16:59,614 [stereo playing nearby] 1780 01:16:59,615 --> 01:17:00,992 [stereo playing nearby] 1781 01:17:05,287 --> 01:17:07,367 Well, you sure as hell aren't gonna get a scholarship 1782 01:17:07,623 --> 01:17:09,330 if you stay in the sack all day, are you? 1783 01:17:09,658 --> 01:17:11,298 You had a Spanish test, didn't you, Rocky? 1784 01:17:11,393 --> 01:17:13,737 Afraid of a little Spanish test, huh? 1785 01:17:16,298 --> 01:17:17,333 Cold. 1786 01:17:17,666 --> 01:17:21,637 Well, you got your covers off of you. 1787 01:17:25,641 --> 01:17:28,815 Don't pull this shit with me, Rocky! 1788 01:17:28,944 --> 01:17:31,686 Do you hear me? Wake up. 1789 01:17:31,813 --> 01:17:34,316 Come on, baby. Make yourself well. 1790 01:17:36,018 --> 01:17:38,259 Rocky, wake up. 1791 01:17:40,322 --> 01:17:42,199 [music playing] 1792 01:17:48,130 --> 01:17:50,303 BOGDANOVICH: You see, the kid that the movie was about 1793 01:17:50,399 --> 01:17:52,936 was a big fan of The Beatles and Springsteen. 1794 01:17:53,068 --> 01:17:54,172 Those were his favorites. 1795 01:17:54,302 --> 01:17:56,304 So I thought, well, we'll use Bruce. 1796 01:17:56,405 --> 01:17:58,646 You know, Bruce had never let anybody use his stuff, 1797 01:17:58,740 --> 01:18:00,913 but I asked him, and he said, "Sure, go ahead. 1798 01:18:01,043 --> 01:18:03,083 You can use anything you want except 'Born to Run."' 1799 01:18:03,111 --> 01:18:04,920 For some reason, I was in New York 1800 01:18:05,047 --> 01:18:06,924 with Colleen and a few other people. 1801 01:18:07,015 --> 01:18:08,323 And she said, "You're going to go 1802 01:18:08,417 --> 01:18:10,397 to the Springsteen concert tomorrow night." 1803 01:18:10,719 --> 01:18:12,995 I said, "I'm not gonna go to a fucking rock 'n' roll concert." 1804 01:18:13,121 --> 01:18:16,694 She said, "You're going. It'd be good for you." 1805 01:18:16,825 --> 01:18:17,997 I said, "I don't want to go." 1806 01:18:18,126 --> 01:18:19,935 She said, "You're going." 1807 01:18:20,028 --> 01:18:21,735 "All right." 1808 01:18:21,863 --> 01:18:23,809 So I... They literally dragged me there. 1809 01:18:23,932 --> 01:18:25,934 Well, I was overwhelmed. I thought it was great, 1810 01:18:26,068 --> 01:18:30,073 like a kind of rock opera. Its sound was so loud. 1811 01:18:30,172 --> 01:18:32,675 You know, it was like, "Can you hear me? 1812 01:18:32,774 --> 01:18:34,134 We're getting through to you here." 1813 01:18:34,242 --> 01:18:36,222 It was... it was beautiful. 1814 01:18:36,344 --> 01:18:39,018 I was listening to a lot of his music in the car, 1815 01:18:39,147 --> 01:18:41,252 trying to decide what to use for the ending, 1816 01:18:41,383 --> 01:18:42,885 and I played "Promised Land," 1817 01:18:43,018 --> 01:18:44,827 and it hit me. That was it. 1818 01:18:44,920 --> 01:18:48,231 ♪ Blow away the dreams that tear you apart ♪ 1819 01:18:48,356 --> 01:18:51,769 ♪ Blow away the dreams... ♪ 1820 01:18:51,893 --> 01:18:54,100 I completely fell apart. 1821 01:18:54,229 --> 01:18:55,333 I started sobbing. 1822 01:18:57,999 --> 01:18:59,740 I don't know why. 1823 01:19:03,972 --> 01:19:05,918 And I had to pull over... 1824 01:19:08,143 --> 01:19:09,417 couldn't go on. 1825 01:19:09,745 --> 01:19:11,782 ♪ Mister, I ain't a buy ♪ 1826 01:19:11,913 --> 01:19:13,893 ♪ No, I'm a man ♪ 1827 01:19:14,015 --> 01:19:18,054 ♪ And I believe in a promised land... ♪ 1828 01:19:18,186 --> 01:19:21,065 That was it. That was the song to end the picture with. 1829 01:19:24,092 --> 01:19:25,332 And, um... 1830 01:19:32,033 --> 01:19:34,411 so when they took it out of the picture 1831 01:19:34,536 --> 01:19:36,948 when I was out of the country, 1832 01:19:37,072 --> 01:19:37,948 I went insane. 1833 01:19:38,073 --> 01:19:40,280 I really lost it, 1834 01:19:40,375 --> 01:19:42,753 sued the studio, 1835 01:19:42,878 --> 01:19:45,290 went completely insane. 1836 01:19:45,380 --> 01:19:48,486 MORFOGEN: As the director, as the artist, 1837 01:19:48,817 --> 01:19:50,160 he was absolutely right. 1838 01:19:50,252 --> 01:19:52,926 But as the political animal, 1839 01:19:53,054 --> 01:19:54,431 there's danger. 1840 01:19:54,556 --> 01:19:57,833 I felt that I had made the picture in a way for Dorothy, 1841 01:19:57,959 --> 01:20:00,496 and they were taking that away, too. 1842 01:20:00,829 --> 01:20:02,502 This was not in Bruce's hands. 1843 01:20:02,831 --> 01:20:05,038 Universal and CBS Records could not make a deal. 1844 01:20:05,133 --> 01:20:06,771 I thought it was pretty clear 1845 01:20:06,902 --> 01:20:09,041 that the battle was lost about that. 1846 01:20:09,137 --> 01:20:12,914 Peter was not willing to let that go. 1847 01:20:13,041 --> 01:20:17,251 And it was not a very good thing to do politically, 1848 01:20:17,379 --> 01:20:19,325 to put it mildly. 1849 01:20:19,447 --> 01:20:22,155 I was never so despised in Hollywood. 1850 01:20:24,986 --> 01:20:28,126 Dear Bruce, that the music didn't end up in the picture 1851 01:20:28,256 --> 01:20:30,065 is a regret I'll always have, 1852 01:20:30,158 --> 01:20:32,263 a lousy feeling of letting everybody down. 1853 01:20:32,394 --> 01:20:34,203 In the past, my enthusiasms 1854 01:20:34,329 --> 01:20:36,866 have always been ascribed to ulterior motives, 1855 01:20:36,998 --> 01:20:39,342 but they have always been simply my enthusiasms. 1856 01:20:39,467 --> 01:20:42,937 I'm heartbroken that the music didn't end up in the picture, 1857 01:20:43,071 --> 01:20:48,384 and the past year of my life, I wouldn't wish on my own worst enemy. 1858 01:20:48,510 --> 01:20:51,889 I managed to get the work print for him 1859 01:20:52,013 --> 01:20:53,993 out of the studio, which I did, 1860 01:20:54,115 --> 01:20:55,315 but I didn't do it dishonestly. 1861 01:20:55,383 --> 01:20:57,294 He... He says that I stole it. 1862 01:20:57,419 --> 01:20:58,557 I didn't steal it. 1863 01:20:58,887 --> 01:21:00,889 I asked the cutter, the film editor. 1864 01:21:01,022 --> 01:21:03,901 I said, "Peter has something he wants to look at." 1865 01:21:04,025 --> 01:21:07,131 She let me have it, all the reels. 1866 01:21:07,262 --> 01:21:09,833 I mean, I know he tells the story differently, 1867 01:21:09,965 --> 01:21:11,405 because people have come up and said, 1868 01:21:11,466 --> 01:21:14,106 "Hey, I heard that you did..." dah-dah-dah-dah. 1869 01:21:14,202 --> 01:21:18,378 I mean, if I had, I'd confess to it, but I didn't. 1870 01:21:18,506 --> 01:21:24,513 What I did was I got permission to remove the reels from the lot. 1871 01:21:24,646 --> 01:21:27,252 They were in the trunk of my car. 1872 01:21:27,349 --> 01:21:30,387 The guard did not ask me to open the trunk. 1873 01:21:30,485 --> 01:21:34,126 If he had, I would have said, "The editor has given me permission." 1874 01:21:34,222 --> 01:21:37,032 If he would have called, he would have been corroborated... 1875 01:21:37,158 --> 01:21:38,466 I would have been corroborated. 1876 01:21:38,593 --> 01:21:42,063 But I knew there was also another scenario at play. 1877 01:21:42,197 --> 01:21:45,144 Well, that was the reason that he's able to have 1878 01:21:45,267 --> 01:21:48,009 the cut with the Springsteen being restored. 1879 01:21:48,103 --> 01:21:49,946 It's a huge difference. 1880 01:21:50,071 --> 01:21:53,917 I mean, this is not out of any disrespect to the other guy, you know, 1881 01:21:54,042 --> 01:21:56,044 but it... There's just a difference. 1882 01:21:56,177 --> 01:21:58,350 It's in the spirit of the movie. 1883 01:21:58,480 --> 01:22:00,323 It's in the spirit of Rocky. 1884 01:22:00,448 --> 01:22:03,486 It's, um... it's great. 1885 01:22:03,618 --> 01:22:05,291 It's great. 1886 01:22:06,554 --> 01:22:11,299 Took me 20 years to get it right. 1887 01:22:11,393 --> 01:22:13,270 [music playing] 1888 01:22:44,459 --> 01:22:48,066 All of the movies Peter has made since "They All Laughed" 1889 01:22:48,196 --> 01:22:50,608 have been in a different vein. 1890 01:22:50,732 --> 01:22:52,643 They've been for hire. 1891 01:22:52,968 --> 01:22:57,417 CROCE: He gravitates towards his own material to reflect on, 1892 01:22:57,539 --> 01:23:00,349 so, hence, he goes to "Texasville" to rethink 1893 01:23:00,475 --> 01:23:04,981 a lot of the material that was in, uh, "The Last Picture Show." 1894 01:23:05,113 --> 01:23:06,615 Howdy. Didn't mean to scare you. 1895 01:23:06,715 --> 01:23:08,126 I'm not scared. 1896 01:23:08,249 --> 01:23:10,661 I guess I just assumed I had this lake to myself. 1897 01:23:15,557 --> 01:23:17,264 Don't I know you from somewhere? 1898 01:23:17,392 --> 01:23:20,236 Peter's work after "They All Laughed" 1899 01:23:20,362 --> 01:23:23,571 is even more profoundly female-centric, 1900 01:23:23,698 --> 01:23:28,147 partially due to his interest in Robert Graves, 1901 01:23:28,269 --> 01:23:30,271 which began after the murder of Dorothy Stratten. 1902 01:23:32,107 --> 01:23:34,109 So what's this movie about? 1903 01:23:34,242 --> 01:23:35,653 It's the oldest story in the book. 1904 01:23:35,777 --> 01:23:37,120 Two guys and a girl, 1905 01:23:37,245 --> 01:23:40,454 John Wayne and James Stewart, Vera Miles. 1906 01:23:40,582 --> 01:23:42,994 What happens? 1907 01:23:43,084 --> 01:23:44,290 Well, let's see. 1908 01:23:44,419 --> 01:23:47,423 ♪ Old John and Jimmy ♪ 1909 01:23:47,555 --> 01:23:51,002 ♪ They both love Miss Vera ♪ 1910 01:23:51,126 --> 01:23:53,197 ♪ Now you know in time ♪ 1911 01:23:53,328 --> 01:23:57,140 ♪ Somethin's bound to go wrong ♪ 1912 01:23:57,265 --> 01:24:00,212 Because of what had happened was so shocking 1913 01:24:00,335 --> 01:24:02,611 and shockingly diametrically opposed 1914 01:24:02,737 --> 01:24:04,717 to anything I believed in the world, 1915 01:24:05,040 --> 01:24:09,284 that I refused to take anything on face value any longer. 1916 01:24:09,411 --> 01:24:11,687 And then Robert Graves' work, every conclusion 1917 01:24:11,813 --> 01:24:14,191 has something to do with the battle of the sexes, 1918 01:24:14,315 --> 01:24:15,555 a real battle of the sexes. 1919 01:24:15,683 --> 01:24:17,060 [gunshot] 1920 01:24:17,185 --> 01:24:18,687 With murder and rape in the struggle 1921 01:24:18,820 --> 01:24:21,164 between the male or the female principal. 1922 01:24:21,289 --> 01:24:23,360 I realized later that what I was looking for 1923 01:24:23,491 --> 01:24:26,438 in all the reading I did after Dorothy was killed 1924 01:24:26,528 --> 01:24:29,031 was looking for a place in history 1925 01:24:29,130 --> 01:24:30,370 where it wouldn't have happened. 1926 01:24:30,398 --> 01:24:31,741 That's where I wanted to be. 1927 01:24:33,668 --> 01:24:35,045 Well, it was... I found it, 1928 01:24:35,170 --> 01:24:37,673 but it was, like, 3,000 years before Christ. 1929 01:24:40,341 --> 01:24:42,048 I would have been happy then. 1930 01:24:42,177 --> 01:24:43,781 She wouldn't have been killed. 1931 01:24:44,112 --> 01:24:47,093 No movies, but what the hell? 1932 01:24:47,215 --> 01:24:50,094 Anything, I think, that touches on Hollywood or celebrity, 1933 01:24:50,218 --> 01:24:52,721 uh, certainly Peter sees a lot of himself in. 1934 01:24:52,854 --> 01:24:54,527 Why does anyone do anything? 1935 01:24:54,656 --> 01:24:56,465 Why does that other idiot go out of the front door 1936 01:24:56,591 --> 01:24:58,127 holding two plates of sardines? 1937 01:24:58,259 --> 01:24:59,533 I mean, I'm not getting at you, love. 1938 01:24:59,661 --> 01:25:01,334 'Course not, Lloyd. I mean, why do I? 1939 01:25:01,429 --> 01:25:03,466 I mean, Jesus, when you come to think about it, why do I? 1940 01:25:03,565 --> 01:25:04,475 Who knows? Who knows? 1941 01:25:04,566 --> 01:25:05,772 You see, Freddie? 1942 01:25:06,101 --> 01:25:07,546 I've gotten a lesson in appreciating Peter. 1943 01:25:07,669 --> 01:25:11,549 I tended to underrate him, uh, for a time. 1944 01:25:11,673 --> 01:25:14,119 People weren't thinking about how special 1945 01:25:14,242 --> 01:25:15,619 each and every project he made. 1946 01:25:15,743 --> 01:25:18,553 Even if it's a TV episode of "The Sopranos," 1947 01:25:18,680 --> 01:25:21,661 Peter brought his excitement 1948 01:25:21,783 --> 01:25:24,354 and passion of cinema to that "Sopranos" episode. 1949 01:25:24,452 --> 01:25:26,489 And you could tell that he directed it. 1950 01:25:26,588 --> 01:25:29,501 And then with the Tom Petty documentary. That was... 1951 01:25:29,624 --> 01:25:32,628 God, I just watched that a couple of nights ago again. 1952 01:25:32,760 --> 01:25:34,762 It was such a great in-depth story, 1953 01:25:34,863 --> 01:25:37,537 and you could tell his interviewing all those guys, 1954 01:25:37,665 --> 01:25:39,235 how comfortable he made them feel 1955 01:25:39,334 --> 01:25:42,213 so they could get the goods. 1956 01:25:49,777 --> 01:25:51,154 For a long time, "They All Laughed" 1957 01:25:51,279 --> 01:25:52,599 was just a film that I read about. 1958 01:25:52,714 --> 01:25:54,785 I think I saw it for the first time on VHS, 1959 01:25:54,916 --> 01:25:56,190 like in the later eighties. 1960 01:25:56,317 --> 01:25:57,387 When I first saw the movie, 1961 01:25:57,519 --> 01:25:59,123 it was sort of a bit lost, you know. 1962 01:25:59,254 --> 01:26:02,258 It wasn't so readily available 1963 01:26:02,357 --> 01:26:03,802 for... for a number of years. 1964 01:26:03,892 --> 01:26:06,304 Most people, they... they think everything is out there, 1965 01:26:06,427 --> 01:26:08,134 every movie that's made can be seen. 1966 01:26:08,263 --> 01:26:10,436 Obviously, that's completely untrue. 1967 01:26:10,565 --> 01:26:12,670 There's tons of films that are out of circulation 1968 01:26:12,800 --> 01:26:15,144 because of copyright issues, 1969 01:26:15,270 --> 01:26:18,410 or people thought that they don't have enough of a market for these films. 1970 01:26:18,540 --> 01:26:22,317 The first time I heard about "They All Laughed" was from Quentin Tarantino. 1971 01:26:22,443 --> 01:26:23,854 It was before "Jackie Brown," 1972 01:26:24,179 --> 01:26:26,159 when Tarantino released this kind of 10 best of... 1973 01:26:26,281 --> 01:26:27,316 his 10 favorite films, 1974 01:26:27,448 --> 01:26:28,893 and "They All Laughed" was on there. 1975 01:26:29,217 --> 01:26:31,288 You know, and to see him champion "They All Laughed" 1976 01:26:31,386 --> 01:26:32,763 and to get this momentum, 1977 01:26:32,887 --> 01:26:35,458 it's just been great, you know, to go from a movie 1978 01:26:35,590 --> 01:26:37,160 that you couldn't find anywhere 1979 01:26:37,258 --> 01:26:40,296 to finally people starting to appreciate it. 1980 01:26:40,428 --> 01:26:42,108 The movie's gonna really be worth its salt. 1981 01:26:42,197 --> 01:26:44,905 It can't just be that it captured a moment in time 1982 01:26:45,233 --> 01:26:48,305 when you saw it, right? 'Cause that almost says 1983 01:26:48,403 --> 01:26:49,575 a movie's had nothing to do with it. 1984 01:26:49,671 --> 01:26:51,173 It was just all you, 1985 01:26:51,272 --> 01:26:53,218 and it was all your circumstances, 1986 01:26:53,341 --> 01:26:57,721 and that was just the right fodder for your own shit. 1987 01:26:57,812 --> 01:27:00,793 Um, now, that can be the case and that you still love those movies, 1988 01:27:00,915 --> 01:27:03,452 but, you know, a real movie, it's gonna grow as it goes on. 1989 01:27:03,551 --> 01:27:05,929 There was a point that I thought 1990 01:27:06,254 --> 01:27:09,235 I had ruined the movie by seeing it too much. 1991 01:27:09,357 --> 01:27:12,338 After having not seen it for six or seven years, 1992 01:27:12,427 --> 01:27:13,872 I actually watched it again, and I called Peter up. 1993 01:27:13,995 --> 01:27:16,475 I go, "Hey, man, I didn't tell you about this, 1994 01:27:16,564 --> 01:27:18,510 "but I was afraid I kind of ruined it for myself. 1995 01:27:18,633 --> 01:27:20,203 "I hadn't seen it in a long time 1996 01:27:20,335 --> 01:27:21,541 "and watched it again, 1997 01:27:21,669 --> 01:27:23,910 and it really grabbed me in a different way." 1998 01:27:24,239 --> 01:27:25,877 And he goes, "Oh, wow, I'm really... l know exactly what you mean. 1999 01:27:25,974 --> 01:27:27,574 "I've done that with movies, too, before. 2000 01:27:27,609 --> 01:27:29,384 "And I've lost some for all times, 2001 01:27:29,510 --> 01:27:31,030 "and others, you know, I get them back, 2002 01:27:31,279 --> 01:27:32,999 "and I'm really glad that 'They All Laughed' 2003 01:27:33,281 --> 01:27:37,423 had the kind of stuff for you to get it back again." [laughs] 2004 01:27:37,552 --> 01:27:39,930 I think Georgina's in love with me. 2005 01:27:40,255 --> 01:27:41,359 How about you? 2006 01:27:41,456 --> 01:27:42,366 Oh, I don't know. 2007 01:27:42,457 --> 01:27:43,697 I love her, of course, 2008 01:27:43,825 --> 01:27:45,668 but I don't know if I'm in love with her. 2009 01:27:45,793 --> 01:27:47,704 We're going to write to each other... 2010 01:27:47,829 --> 01:27:48,705 That's good. 2011 01:27:48,830 --> 01:27:49,968 And see how it goes. 2012 01:27:50,298 --> 01:27:51,777 No commitments, eh? 2013 01:27:51,899 --> 01:27:54,243 It's better that way, don't you think, Mother? 2014 01:27:54,369 --> 01:27:56,406 Much better, darling. 2015 01:28:02,410 --> 01:28:05,721 BRIDGES: Life happens, you know, to us all. 2016 01:28:05,847 --> 01:28:09,920 You know, chances are you're gonna get the full catastrophe, 2017 01:28:10,018 --> 01:28:12,294 you know, the whole gamut of emotions 2018 01:28:12,420 --> 01:28:13,694 and all the different things. 2019 01:28:13,821 --> 01:28:15,391 Of course, what you're living through, 2020 01:28:15,490 --> 01:28:16,833 you bring to your work. 2021 01:28:16,958 --> 01:28:18,699 The movie that's left on the side 2022 01:28:18,826 --> 01:28:21,534 is kind of a remnant of that experience, 2023 01:28:21,629 --> 01:28:23,870 but the real experience continues on 2024 01:28:23,998 --> 01:28:25,534 with the people, you know. 2025 01:28:25,667 --> 01:28:28,409 Everybody literally became best friends, 2026 01:28:28,503 --> 01:28:30,676 and I absolutely love Patti Hansen, 2027 01:28:30,772 --> 01:28:34,015 and I loved Dorothy, was very close to Dorothy, 2028 01:28:34,342 --> 01:28:36,344 and I'm very close to her sister and her mother. 2029 01:28:36,477 --> 01:28:37,820 We've stuck it out. 2030 01:28:37,945 --> 01:28:40,824 We've stuck it together through all these years. 2031 01:28:40,915 --> 01:28:43,486 Culleen... And she's a big sister to me. 2032 01:28:43,618 --> 01:28:45,291 Anna is a big sister to me. 2033 01:28:45,420 --> 01:28:48,424 I think it completely changed our entire family. 2034 01:28:48,556 --> 01:28:51,833 I mean, and then we also started really getting to know her family, 2035 01:28:51,926 --> 01:28:53,496 which became our family. 2036 01:28:53,628 --> 01:28:55,505 Marlon Brando says in "One-Eyed Jacks," 2037 01:28:55,630 --> 01:28:57,507 "You didn't give me no selection." 2038 01:28:57,632 --> 01:28:59,612 Um, I mean, I didn't have any... 2039 01:28:59,734 --> 01:29:02,476 There was no other way to do it. 2040 01:29:02,603 --> 01:29:04,446 Just seemed natural. 2041 01:29:04,539 --> 01:29:08,715 Peter and I, we became very close with this tragedy, 2042 01:29:08,810 --> 01:29:11,051 and we were like... like a life raft 2043 01:29:11,379 --> 01:29:13,381 together in... in getting through it. 2044 01:29:13,514 --> 01:29:16,017 It was like a shipwreck, and we both ended up 2045 01:29:16,351 --> 01:29:18,331 hanging on to the same piece of driftwood. 2046 01:29:18,419 --> 01:29:20,865 Things just evolved. 2047 01:29:20,955 --> 01:29:22,992 It seemed natural enough to me. 2048 01:29:23,091 --> 01:29:25,901 It's the same kind of kindness and generosity 2049 01:29:26,027 --> 01:29:29,907 and angelic personality. 2050 01:29:30,031 --> 01:29:33,604 It was a lifesaver for me to have her in my life. 2051 01:29:33,701 --> 01:29:36,682 During our darkest times, we wrote a screwball comedy together. 2052 01:29:36,804 --> 01:29:41,947 Well, we transformed this time that was so heavy 2053 01:29:42,076 --> 01:29:46,081 into something that was quite funny, actually. 2054 01:29:46,414 --> 01:29:50,692 Nobody's voyage is free of pain. 2055 01:29:50,818 --> 01:29:55,028 It's how much you're able to admit, I think. 2056 01:29:55,156 --> 01:30:00,834 How much you're able to admit finally is what makes you an artist, 2057 01:30:00,962 --> 01:30:03,772 not only your pain, but your pleasure... 2058 01:30:03,898 --> 01:30:05,400 [chuckles] 2059 01:30:05,533 --> 01:30:07,672 Your... your anger... What are you doing? 2060 01:30:07,802 --> 01:30:10,373 Your insanity, 2061 01:30:10,471 --> 01:30:12,382 your sense of humor. 2062 01:30:12,473 --> 01:30:14,544 Got some splinters, eh, Johnny? 2063 01:30:16,844 --> 01:30:18,118 Got a few, Sam. 2064 01:30:18,446 --> 01:30:20,517 ♪ When you love someone ♪ 2065 01:30:20,615 --> 01:30:22,925 ♪ You want what's best for them ♪ 2066 01:30:23,017 --> 01:30:26,658 ♪ That's how it is, that's how it's always been ♪ 2067 01:30:26,754 --> 01:30:28,392 BOGDANOVICH: ♪ When you love someone ♪ 2068 01:30:28,523 --> 01:30:30,400 ♪ You want what's best for them ♪ 2069 01:30:30,491 --> 01:30:33,472 ♪ That's how it is, that's how it's always been ♪ 2070 01:30:33,594 --> 01:30:35,665 A lot of people think, if you're in love, 2071 01:30:35,763 --> 01:30:38,801 it should be what's good for you, 2072 01:30:38,933 --> 01:30:42,005 but it should be what's good for the person you love. 2073 01:30:42,136 --> 01:30:45,640 That's why murder is the worst crime there is. 2074 01:30:47,108 --> 01:30:49,679 Take away somebody's life... 2075 01:30:49,811 --> 01:30:52,621 who the fuck do you think you are? 2076 01:30:52,747 --> 01:30:54,988 Just got chills. I just got chills, 2077 01:30:55,116 --> 01:30:56,618 because... 2078 01:31:03,157 --> 01:31:05,967 Yeah, Peter wrote a book 2079 01:31:06,060 --> 01:31:08,597 called "Pieces of Time," 2080 01:31:08,729 --> 01:31:09,969 and there's a story behind that, 2081 01:31:10,097 --> 01:31:11,974 and I don't know if he ever told you the story, 2082 01:31:12,099 --> 01:31:13,772 and I'm not gonna tell the story. 2083 01:31:18,473 --> 01:31:20,714 But it was a piece of time. 2084 01:31:26,047 --> 01:31:33,488 LOUIS ARMSTRONG: ♪ The odds were a hundred to one against me ♪ 2085 01:31:33,621 --> 01:31:41,631 ♪ The world thought the heights were too high to climb ♪ 2086 01:31:41,762 --> 01:31:49,647 ♪ But people from Missouri never incensed me ♪ 2087 01:31:49,770 --> 01:31:55,015 ♪ Oh, I wasn't a bit concerned ♪ 2088 01:31:55,109 --> 01:32:02,027 ♪ For from history, I had learned ♪ 2089 01:32:02,116 --> 01:32:07,116 ♪ How many, many times the worm had turned ♪ 2090 01:32:13,094 --> 01:32:15,904 All right, ready, and action! 2091 01:32:16,030 --> 01:32:20,035 ♪ They all laughed at Christopher Columbus ♪ 2092 01:32:20,134 --> 01:32:22,978 ♪ When he said the world was round... ♪ 2093 01:32:23,104 --> 01:32:26,677 This new film, it's not necessarily an homage to "They All Laughed," 2094 01:32:26,807 --> 01:32:29,549 but it's picking up the thread. 2095 01:32:29,677 --> 01:32:31,213 I think what was exciting for us 2096 01:32:31,546 --> 01:32:32,923 when we read that script was that it felt 2097 01:32:33,014 --> 01:32:34,652 like it had a connection to "They All Laughed." 2098 01:32:34,782 --> 01:32:35,817 You know, I mean, in a way that it almost 2099 01:32:35,950 --> 01:32:37,054 could have been made right after. 2100 01:32:37,184 --> 01:32:40,222 Georgie, one more. 2101 01:32:40,555 --> 01:32:42,592 ♪ They told Marconi ♪ 2102 01:32:42,723 --> 01:32:44,794 ♪ Wireless was a phony ♪ 2103 01:32:44,892 --> 01:32:47,532 ♪ It's the same old cry... ♪ 2104 01:32:47,628 --> 01:32:49,574 Peter was conscious of that. 2105 01:32:49,697 --> 01:32:51,233 He wanted to do a movie like "They All Laughed," 2106 01:32:51,566 --> 01:32:54,672 which he hadn't been able to do in all these years. 2107 01:32:54,769 --> 01:32:57,272 ♪ Reaching for the moon, but, uh... ♪ 2108 01:32:57,605 --> 01:33:00,142 We had this idea that what it should be 2109 01:33:00,274 --> 01:33:02,948 is a lost Bogdanovich movie, 2110 01:33:03,077 --> 01:33:05,819 and even though it's got Owen Wilson and Jennifer Aniston... 2111 01:33:05,913 --> 01:33:07,950 Great. Here's my therapist. 2112 01:33:08,082 --> 01:33:09,220 [gasps] 2113 01:33:09,317 --> 01:33:11,820 Our pitch was we just say 2114 01:33:11,919 --> 01:33:14,763 this is a movie that was made in 1981. 2115 01:33:14,889 --> 01:33:16,766 No kidding. Me, I'm all, "It's kind of funny." 2116 01:33:16,891 --> 01:33:19,269 I feel like the sort of "Saint Jack," 2117 01:33:19,594 --> 01:33:21,699 "They All Laughed" duo, 2118 01:33:21,829 --> 01:33:25,038 he was really finding a kind of different kind of groove there. 2119 01:33:25,166 --> 01:33:29,637 It was exciting to see Peter kind of return to that way of doing things. 2120 01:33:29,770 --> 01:33:32,717 The way that Peter kind of films scenes, 2121 01:33:32,840 --> 01:33:35,013 it's sort of, you know, there'll be a four-page scene, 2122 01:33:35,142 --> 01:33:36,985 and he'll film it in one shut, 2123 01:33:37,078 --> 01:33:40,116 so you know, he's not kind of cutting in, 2124 01:33:40,247 --> 01:33:42,124 and we're not doing over the shoulders and things. 2125 01:33:42,216 --> 01:33:44,924 So I think as an actor, that kind of makes it more exciting. 2126 01:33:45,052 --> 01:33:48,625 Every time an actor gets to have a chance to work with him, 2127 01:33:48,756 --> 01:33:50,633 they are given a most extraordinary gift, 2128 01:33:50,758 --> 01:33:52,738 and they will never be the same. 2129 01:33:52,860 --> 01:33:54,100 We're all looking at each other, 2130 01:33:54,195 --> 01:33:56,175 going, "This is about just going for it." 2131 01:33:56,297 --> 01:33:59,278 It feels like I'm in an old movie. 2132 01:33:59,367 --> 01:34:02,871 The amount of people that have come just to do three or four lines in this 2133 01:34:03,004 --> 01:34:06,679 is a testament to his incredible importance to this business. 2134 01:34:06,807 --> 01:34:07,877 Very nice. 2135 01:34:08,009 --> 01:34:09,784 Cut. 2136 01:34:09,910 --> 01:34:12,186 ♪ Darling, let's take a bow ♪ 2137 01:34:12,313 --> 01:34:13,621 ♪ Oh, yes ♪ 2138 01:34:13,714 --> 01:34:15,785 ♪ For ha ha ha ♪ ♪ Ho ho ho ♪ 2139 01:34:15,916 --> 01:34:22,060 ♪ Who's got the last laugh now? ♪ 2140 01:34:25,693 --> 01:34:27,366 [music playing] 2141 01:34:32,433 --> 01:34:35,676 Before this interview, I googled him just to kind of brush up 2142 01:34:35,803 --> 01:34:37,783 and see what other people said. 2143 01:34:37,872 --> 01:34:41,251 I didn't know he was conceived in Europe and born in America. 2144 01:34:41,375 --> 01:34:43,013 A little tidbit for you. 2145 01:34:48,883 --> 01:34:50,988 It's one of my favorite pictures, I think, I've ever taken of him. 2146 01:34:51,118 --> 01:34:52,722 It shows what it feels like 2147 01:34:52,853 --> 01:34:54,924 being scoped by one of the great directors. 2148 01:34:58,826 --> 01:35:01,830 BOGDANOVICH: Subsequent to that preview, I showed it to Frank Capra. 2149 01:35:01,962 --> 01:35:04,943 I wasn't close to him, but Capra was good at comedy, 2150 01:35:05,032 --> 01:35:07,012 so I called him in Palm Desert, and I said, 2151 01:35:07,134 --> 01:35:09,080 "Could I send a limo down to pick you up, 2152 01:35:09,203 --> 01:35:10,443 "and come up and see my picture? 2153 01:35:10,738 --> 01:35:12,081 I'd like to know what you think of it." 2154 01:35:12,173 --> 01:35:13,675 He said, "Well, I'll come," he says, 2155 01:35:13,808 --> 01:35:15,947 "if you don't get angry if I tell you the truth." 2156 01:35:16,043 --> 01:35:17,386 I said, "No, I want the truth." 2157 01:35:17,712 --> 01:35:19,089 He said, "Well, the last person that asked me to do that 2158 01:35:19,180 --> 01:35:21,023 got really angry when I told him I didn't like it." 2159 01:35:21,148 --> 01:35:22,148 "Well, what was that?" 2160 01:35:22,249 --> 01:35:23,853 "Well, Coppola sent a limo for me 2161 01:35:23,984 --> 01:35:26,225 "to look at 'Apocalypse Now.' I told him I hated it. 2162 01:35:26,353 --> 01:35:29,766 He didn't like that, got angry at me." 2163 01:35:29,890 --> 01:35:30,960 "I won't get angry, Frank. 2164 01:35:31,092 --> 01:35:32,452 I just want to see what you think." 2165 01:35:32,727 --> 01:35:34,764 So he came to see it. We screened it for him. 2166 01:35:34,895 --> 01:35:36,704 And after the movie was over, he came out. 2167 01:35:36,797 --> 01:35:40,006 He says, "Good picture, kid. Your first reel's too fast." 2168 01:35:40,134 --> 01:35:41,772 Heh. That was all he said. 2169 01:35:41,902 --> 01:35:46,009 He went through a very uncalled-for period in his career. 2170 01:35:46,140 --> 01:35:47,710 He makes great movies. 2171 01:35:47,842 --> 01:35:48,842 He tells great stories. 2172 01:35:48,876 --> 01:35:49,980 He's always on budget. 2173 01:35:50,111 --> 01:35:51,852 He's always on schedule, you know. 2174 01:35:51,979 --> 01:35:53,788 And I think that some of the younger directors today 2175 01:35:53,914 --> 01:35:56,190 could learn something from looking back 2176 01:35:56,317 --> 01:36:00,265 at the masters like Ford and Hawks and Walsh and Peter. 2177 01:36:00,354 --> 01:36:02,061 The love never went away. 2178 01:36:02,189 --> 01:36:04,863 The love never went away. It just changed, 2179 01:36:04,992 --> 01:36:06,938 and the respect just grew and grew, 2180 01:36:07,061 --> 01:36:08,870 and we're just best friends. 2181 01:36:08,963 --> 01:36:12,172 That sort of three-dimensional world 2182 01:36:12,299 --> 01:36:14,404 of loss and love and hope 2183 01:36:14,535 --> 01:36:16,276 and also how important love is. 2184 01:36:16,403 --> 01:36:20,044 You just hope. You hope that life will be like that, you know. 2185 01:36:20,174 --> 01:36:23,747 If you stop feeling that way, you know, then you're really lost. 2186 01:36:23,844 --> 01:36:27,053 There was a moment in that shoe store scene that I remember, 2187 01:36:27,181 --> 01:36:28,922 which is her doing a double take. 2188 01:36:29,049 --> 01:36:31,962 And I remember registering it as a good double take, 2189 01:36:32,086 --> 01:36:34,464 to get somebody to imitate it if you need a double take. 2190 01:36:34,789 --> 01:36:37,326 That was particularly difficult, because it was John's point of view, 2191 01:36:37,458 --> 01:36:40,462 and the camera was moving, so she had to look... 2192 01:36:40,795 --> 01:36:42,297 If you study it, you'll see she's looking into the lens. 2193 01:36:42,429 --> 01:36:45,205 Well, I did study it. [laughs] 2194 01:36:45,332 --> 01:36:46,902 "Jackie Brown" was a long movie. 2195 01:36:47,034 --> 01:36:48,911 It's like 2 hours, 40 minutes, something like that. 2196 01:36:49,003 --> 01:36:51,203 Ended up sitting next to Peter at the New York premiere. 2197 01:36:51,272 --> 01:36:52,979 And so the movie's over, 2198 01:36:53,107 --> 01:36:56,088 Peter goes, "Wow, how long was that movie?" 2199 01:36:56,210 --> 01:36:58,053 I go, "Oh, that's not a good sign." 2200 01:36:58,179 --> 01:36:59,817 You know, and he goes, "Wow, I mean, 2201 01:36:59,947 --> 01:37:01,483 "it just seemed like nothing. It's like 2 1/2 hours. 2202 01:37:01,816 --> 01:37:04,797 "I thought it was like 90 minutes or something, I was so into it. 2203 01:37:04,885 --> 01:37:07,832 That is the shortest long movie since 'Rio Bravo'.“ 2204 01:37:07,955 --> 01:37:09,263 And I go, wow, that's a hell of a compliment 2205 01:37:09,390 --> 01:37:11,336 coming from him, all right? 2206 01:37:11,425 --> 01:37:13,234 "I wanted to make the shortest long movie since 'Rio Bravo'.“ 2207 01:37:13,360 --> 01:37:15,067 "Well, you've done it. 2208 01:37:15,196 --> 01:37:17,005 That is the shortest long movie since 'Rio Bravo'.“ 2209 01:37:17,131 --> 01:37:19,077 What a game last night. You watch the Knicks? 2210 01:37:19,200 --> 01:37:20,543 Oh, of course. Are you kidding me? 2211 01:37:20,868 --> 01:37:21,938 That was huge. 2212 01:37:22,036 --> 01:37:23,344 And, you know, that was major league. 2213 01:37:23,470 --> 01:37:24,540 I mean, what a game. 2214 01:37:24,872 --> 01:37:26,472 That was major league. What a great game. 173705

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