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This programme contains some
strong language and scenes that some
viewers may find distressing
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When the Covid vaccine
was announced,
it promised freedom from lockdowns,
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economic catastrophe
and relatives dying.
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Who wouldn't jump at that?
Many, it turns out.
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It's not in the interest of the
public to have mass vaccinations.
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A powerful movement is exploiting
our fears,
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persuading some to believe the
vaccine was designed
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to control or even kill us.
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Are you going to take the vaccine?
Hell, no!
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SHE LAUGHS
Crazy!
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It started with a lie,
told at the right time...
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..and it's found its moment again.
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SIRENS BLARE
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For most of us, the Covid pandemic
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has been the biggest health crisis
of our lives.
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For the anti-vaxxers...
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Coronavirus.
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Christmas all over again.
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Mass hysteria.
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Let's catch this cold!
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..it's the biggest opportunity yet.
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BORIS JOHNSON:
As I speak to you tonight,
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our hospitals are under more
pressure from Covid
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than at any time since the
start of the pandemic.
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It's clear that we need to bring
this new variant under control
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while our vaccines are rolled out.
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The Government is once again
instructing you to stay at home.
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You may only leave home...
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Freedom, we're told, will be won
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if we cast all doubts
about the vaccine aside,
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and put faith in what the Government
are asking us to do.
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The vaccine programme in England
is moving to its next phase...
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I don't particularly
wish to take the vaccine.
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With the blood clots
from the AstraZeneca
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and so on and so forth - none of
which were predicted in advance...
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So for anybody to stand and say that
this is safe is blatantly lying.
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This mRNA is going to
attack you brain cells,
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it's going to cause you Alzheimer's.
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How would I know?
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There are no DNA
or fertility issues.
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There is a real - if very low -
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risk of blood clots
from some Covid vaccines.
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But genuine concerns
and rumours mix
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to create fertile ground
for the anti-vaxxers.
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I love what you've done
with the place.
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HE CHUCKLES
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Well, it was quite an epic
adventure to get in here.
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I measured everything
so it would just fit.
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One of the UK movement's
chief crusaders
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is former Labour leader Jeremy
Corbyn's older brother, Piers.
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The reduction in fertility
is something which comes
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out of these vaccines,
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and blood clots is a serious issue.
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But they're talking
about blood clots
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because there's
worse things going on
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and they don't want
to talk about them.
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And they're now doing mass
propaganda
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to make people take things which are
going to be damaging to themselves.
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You know what happened
in Nazi Germany.
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You know that scientists were told
what to believe, and propagate.
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Scientists, like anybody else,
have their price.
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At the movement's heart
is the core belief
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that politicians
and profit-hungry drug companies
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exaggerate the dangers
of coronavirus,
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even that the pandemic is a lie.
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It can be a seductive message.
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In the height of the third lockdown,
thousands of people gather -
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closely - to denounce the vaccine
and rage against the rules.
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The global anti-vax movement
is bigger, more organised
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and better funded than ever before.
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Don't take the vaccine!
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Trans-humanism...
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They will not cover you on your life
insurance if you take the vaccine.
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All your assets will go back to the
Government - including your kids!
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Research the mark of the beast!
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It's your choice.
You don't have to wear the mask.
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Right, then, what
does that make you?
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What does it make you?
What does it make you?
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You have no brain.
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The vaccine lowers
your immune system -
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Which means other diseases
can spread like wildfire.
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It's not in the interest of the
public to have mass vaccinations.
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The vaccine is their
final act of repression.
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It's repressing you individually.
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It's part of brainwashing
and regimentation.
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In the UK, 90% of people
are for vaccination -
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far more than most countries.
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But for the anti-vax movement,
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scare stories are tools
to chip away at public support.
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Even small downturns
in vaccination rates
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encourage the virus
to spread and mutate.
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SHOUTING
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CHANTING
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No rights have been read to me!
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It's a travesty to democracy!
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The purpose of the Covid thing
is to destroy democracy,
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to destroy the right...
Move out the way!
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In America, one in three people say
they don't want to be vaccinated.
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At the front line of this
contemporary battlefield
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are protesters trying to change
the minds of those that do.
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And vaccination rates are stalling.
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Excuse me, sir, do you want some
info before you go in? Sorry?
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Do you want some information
before you go in? OK. Yeah.
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I just wouldn't want
anybody to get hurt.
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I've seen people on my own Facebook
feed that live around here -
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this man who was from Apopka,
which is just outside of Orlando.
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He got the vaccine, posted about it,
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and he died, like,
the day or the following day.
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Excuse me, folks.
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Would y'all like some
info before you go in?
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Just about the risks,
potential, you know.
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Don't want anything bad to happen.
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It's sad to see, you know?
These people have no idea.
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They've been scared
to death by the media
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and from this whole
coronavirus thing.
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Want some information before
you go in? Sure. Have a good one.
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They've been sold a ticket that this
is the only way back to freedom,
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this is the only way back to peace
of mind, and it's just not the case.
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You guys are dangerous people.
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Telling people the risks of
a shot is dangerous?
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Now - you're spreading
misinformation!
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Everything and there is a provable
fact. We have children out here.
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It's a provable fact. All right.
Feel free to counter them.
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Fuck you guys. Have a good day,
thank you for being so nice.
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It's leading a great example
for your children. Fuck you!
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I think there's a goal to track,
trace and vaccinate
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every man, woman
and child on the planet
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and this is a great
excuse to do that.
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I think you should be
sceptical of anything you
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put into your body, including
vaccines.
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I would have said no.
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I would have said, "No,
not until I see the data."
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But once the data are there,
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and once your questions
have been answered,
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then your scepticism
should melt away.
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Frankly, vaccines are the only
way out of this pandemic,
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and if people are scared about
vaccines
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then we're not going to get
out of this pandemic
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and we're going to
have to live with it.
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Paul Offit is one of
the leading scientists
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advising the US government
on its vaccine strategy.
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When next winter comes,
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if we don't have population
immunity rates in the 80% range,
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we're going to be in trouble.
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People talk endlessly
about variants,
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how variants are a threat to
us getting past this pandemic,
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but I think that variants are
just one of the two threats -
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the other threat is
the anti-vaccine movement.
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# We don't want your vaccine,
your vaccine... #
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There is one name never far
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from any anti-vax message
board or conversation.
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He's famous in America, where
he now lives, but he's British.
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A disgraced doctor who fled
the UK, pursued by a scandal.
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Look, the guy who
triggered all of this,
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the granddaddy of
the anti-vax movement,
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the first person to realise that
you can target the vulnerable
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using misinformation
about vaccines...
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..and build a business, build a
living, build a franchise off it...
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Andrew Wakefield.
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And he's back.
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This time, all over the internet,
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telling us that you don't need
to wear masks, Covid isn't real,
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and vaccines are dangerous.
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OVERLAPPING VOICES
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So you've been pretty critical
of Wakefield over the years.
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I guess you were never destined
to be friends, right?
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He doesn't like me very much,
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I know he's said some pretty mean
things about me in public.
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But I think Andrew Wakefield
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has perpetuated one of the biggest
frauds in the world.
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Andrew Wakefield in 1988 published
a paper in the journal Lancet,
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claiming that the combination
measles, mumps, rubella -
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MMR - vaccine, caused autism.
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What he had was, he had a
series of 12 children,
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eight of whom had autism,
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and those eight had presumably
developed autism
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within a month
of receiving the vaccine.
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He also had a theory.
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His theory was that the reason
that happened was because
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the measles, mumps, rubella
vaccine was given in combination
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and wasn't given separately.
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That overwhelmed the immune system.
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For which he had no evidence.
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Measles, mumps and rubella
given together may be too much
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for the immune system of some
children to handle.
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He just made it up!
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The most amazing part of his paper
was that it ever was a paper,
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that it ever was published.
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He might as well have published
a series of children who,
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within a month of having eaten a
peanut-butter-and-jelly sandwich,
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eight developed leukaemia.
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He was well spoken,
he was charismatic,
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he was dramatic and he cared.
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I mean, he was made for TV.
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And the British media loved him.
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They, in fact, created a
little biopic about him,
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starring Hugh Bonneville -
the star of Downton Abbey.
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Stop there.
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We need a biopsy of that.
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You know, how many
scientists can claim that?
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How many scientists can claim
that a famous film star or TV star
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has portrayed them on television?
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None of us because, you know,
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we're not really either that good
looking or that interesting.
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You believe me?
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Why wouldn't I believe you?
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When that paper was published...
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Questions were raised today about
the safety of the combined
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mumps, measles
and rubella vaccine...
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..showing a possible link
with a bowel disease
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which could lead to autism.
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..it created panic.
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Tens of thousands of parents chose
not to vaccinate their children.
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Thousands of children were
hospitalised and four children died.
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You can reasonably make the claim
that that paper killed children.
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There were a lot of heroes
in this story
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but one of them is
certainly Fiona Godlee.
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She stood up as the Editor in Chief
of the British Medical Journal
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and challenged the Lancet
to do the right thing.
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Fiona Godlee public published
an analysis of Wakefield's paper,
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based on a re-examination
of the medical details
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of the children
he used in his study.
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What transpired when the cases
of these children,
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their medical records,
was properly looked
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against what was reported
in the Lancet paper
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is that Andrew Wakefield had
manipulated the information
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to fit his case.
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In fact, some of those children
had developed autism
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before they actually
got that vaccine.
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Channel 4 and Sunday Times
investigations
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had discovered something else.
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Andrew Wakefield was being paid
to do this by a lawyer
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who was aiming to sue
the manufacturer of the vaccine.
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He was being paid £150 an hour and
ended up earning more than £400,000
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for the work he was doing,
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and none of this was declared
in the publication in the Lancet.
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Now, what that meant was that the
condition that Andrew Wakefield
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said he was discovering was
something he was actually
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going out and looking for.
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Even more shocking is that,
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while he was busy discrediting
the triple vaccine,
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he had taken out a patent
on a single measles vaccine.
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So while at the press conference
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he was warning people
against the triple vaccine,
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he stood to make millions from
a single measles vaccine.
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I do think that there is a case
for dissociating these vaccines
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into their component parts -
separate measles, mumps
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and rubella vaccines, given
perhaps by separation of one year.
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He had an enormous academic
and financial
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vested interest in that statement.
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How did Wakefield react to you
calling him an elaborate fraud?
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Well, he sued us.
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And this is a pattern of behaviour
with Andrew Wakefield.
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People are obviously scared by this,
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but to my knowledge he has
never successfully sued anyone.
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Dr Wakefield, any regrets,
Dr Wakefield? No regrets, thank you.
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What we now know is the study
published in the Lancet
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was not only bad science and
unethical science - it was fraud.
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Your wonderful man,
you're a wonderful person.
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Andrew Wakefield deliberately
rigged the result
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in order to support his claim.
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In January 2010 the General
Medical Council concluded
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what was its longest ever
fitness-to-practise hearing -
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the result of which was,
a few months later,
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that Andrew Wakefield
was struck off.
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He had been dishonest,
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unethical and had shown callous
disregard for his patients.
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The allegations against me
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and against my colleagues
are both unfounded and unjust.
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I repeat, unfounded and unjust.
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Why he was unable to say he was
wrong here is beyond me.
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I mean, it couldn't
be clearer that he's wrong.
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We in the UK
thought he was finished.
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We thought we'd got it sorted -
he was struck off, it was over.
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How wrong we were!
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On the day that
the General Medical Council
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finally ruled against
Andrew Wakefield,
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stripping him of his
medical licence,
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Wakefield wasn't in London
to hear it.
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He was in a TV studio in America.
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And Dr Andrew Wakefield is here
for an exclusive interview.
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Doctor, good morning.
Good morning.
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Do I still refer to you as "doctor"?
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Yes, they can't take away the fact
that I have a medical degree, yes.
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Is this the final blow
to your credibility, doctor?
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Is that it? This is a little bump
on the road
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and that's how it should be
perceived.
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It's a bump on a very bumpy road,
but it's a bump.
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The big surprise, for most people,
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was that Andrew Wakefield didn't
crawl under a rock and disappear.
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What's your next step, real quickly?
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My next step is to continue this
work to its natural conclusion.
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These parents aren't going away,
the children aren't going away
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and I'm most certainly not
going away.
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There was a simple way that
Andrew Wakefield could have
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silenced his critics -
repeat the study.
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But he didn't.
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Even before the full truth
of his fraud emerged,
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Wakefield fled to the States
where he's lived ever since.
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America seems to suit him very well,
the whole culture there,
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the openness to...
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..erm, you know, claims
and counter claims and money
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and everything that he's found
that supports him there.
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I don't know. Why...
Why has he done so well in America?
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Because America has a system...
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..the philanthropic structure
of this country,
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the tax incentives,
the wealth creation possibilities...
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I like to say -
self-centredly, I'll say it -
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every story is a business story
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because almost every story
in the end is about money.
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So what's so interesting
about the anti-vax movement -
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where is the money?
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The money comes from a small
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but very well-heeled network
of donors and philanthropists
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and they will consistently
and repeatedly fund...
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..anybody who can essentially,
reinforce their opinions.
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I've just been fascinated at how
Andrew Wakefield has been able
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to reinvent himself after
being run out of Britain.
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When he comes to America,
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he actually winds up opening
up a non-profit -
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it's based in Austin, Texas -
called Thoughtful House.
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So the early 2000s was a period
when Andrew Wakefield,
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having been expelled from the
medical establishment in the UK,
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fell into the arms of financially
lucrative quackery
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in an environment that Wakefield had
helped to create
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which was the idea that if vaccines
caused autism,
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autism could also be cured.
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I found the annual report that any
American non-profit
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or charitable organisation
is required to file.
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You can see they gathered
a lot of philanthropic capital.
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Jane Johnson,
she's preposterously wealthy,
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heiress to
the Johnson & Johnson fortune.
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After her comes Lisa Selz whose
husband, Bernard Selz,
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is a famous Wall Street banker
and then hedge fund manager.
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Millions of philanthropic
dollars just sitting there.
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He is able to begin
sort of empire building
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and that's a function of the patrons
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that he is able to develop
along the way.
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To me, America was an oasis
to a man in the desert.
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One of the things that
Thoughtful House allowed him to do
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is to explore other sorts of
autism treatments.
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These included chelation therapy,
you know, leaching out minerals,
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hyperbaric chambers for the bends,
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many thousands of dollars for these,
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you know, non-scientifically
vetted treatments.
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Wakefield then set up
the Strategic Autism Initiative,
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funnelling money to doctors
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practising sometimes
dangerous treatments.
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Dr Mark Geier - a doctor who was
treating children with autism
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with a drug used in
chemical castration
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and he was struck off for
that conduct
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and that doesn't really slow
Wakefield down whatsoever.
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He actually increases his giving.
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There's a lot of, erm...
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Kind of a cottage imagery of false
hope in this country
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where we're perfectly willing
to embrace people
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who offer us snake oil and he was
exactly that, a snake oil salesman.
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One of the things that really
has been a guiding light
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in my medical career
has been listening
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to mothers telling the story of
what happened to their children.
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The man in the white coat,
the doctor, the paediatrician,
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"I know your child better
than you" - no, you don't.
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I don't think we should
underestimate Andrew Wakefield
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or those who support him.
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I think it would be a very grave
error to do that.
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My son's name is Justin
and I just want to say thank you
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for doing everything that you do.
That's OK. Can I get a hug, please?
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Thank you so much for doing
everything that you do.
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It's a pleasure. Got to be done.
Thank you. Hang in there.
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He has a terrific belief
in his own rightness,
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so there's a kind of narcissism
combined with a cause,
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combined with a group
of vulnerable people
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who feel neglected and let down.
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I met Dr Wakefield
in my friend's apartment.
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He was the only physician
that I saw who listened,
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who actually listened,
didn't try to talk on top of me,
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didn't immediately start
shaking his head.
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He was warm, he was engaged,
he was very knowledgeable.
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He validated a lot of things
that we had been so concerned about
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that other doctors had dismissed.
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One thing that allows the belief
to take hold for parents -
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Wakefield's theory that vaccines
cause autism - is the fact
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that signs of autism tend to become
more evident at around 18 months
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to two years old, the same time
that children receive the MMR.
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Christian and his brother Matt, who
is two years younger, like, here...
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That was Christian at two when his
brother came home from the hospital.
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Look at this one.
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He liked to get in his car,
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put stuffed animals in there
and drive around.
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And after he developed autism at,
like, two and a half,
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I kind of stopped taking pictures
because they were just awful.
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Like, he would not look at
the camera, he would be upset.
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Which is weird.
It's like time stops here.
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Do you ever doubt that it was
the vaccine that...? No.
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I never doubted it was the vaccines
because it was so clear-cut to me
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and he's a case of
a catastrophic regression.
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The dramatic difference
was so obvious.
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Dr Wakefield, he said,
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"Yeah, this is a very tough thing
for these kids to live with.
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"It's very, very tough,
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"but we think that we can do things
medically to help."
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Wakefield's unfounded theory
was that the MMR caused autism
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by damaging the gut, allowing toxins
to leak into the brain.
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The procedure... It's no small deal.
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It's like a colonoscopy, I guess.
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Like, the day before, you drink
an enormous amount of laxatives
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and kind of clean out your gut
and then you go in
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and then they take a bunch of
pictures
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and they can see what's
gone wrong and it is very expensive
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and, of course, insurance wouldn't
pay for it.
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I remember it was, like, $5,000.
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It does suggest that
Andrew Wakefield's motives
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are not for the benefit
of his patients.
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It's very hard to understand
what his motives might be
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except for his own aggrandisement
and enrichment.
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I have heard so many times
mothers are saying,
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"I knew there was something wrong.
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"The doctor was about to give that
injection
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"and something inside me said,
'Do not do this.'"
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Women, mothers,
must reassert themselves.
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My son would line objects up
in a certain way.
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He would do things
like run into the road
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if he got overwhelmed with noise.
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So that's when I started
to look up autism.
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You know, you go and Google,
you think, "What can help my child?"
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You're worried.
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Parents were just beginning to go
on the internet in the early 2000s
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and Google different
causes of autism.
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It opened up a whole new world
for them
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and then anything can be put
on the internet.
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Here was a British doctor who seemed
extremely credible, you know,
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and he'd been run out of Britain
for exposing the truth
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that vaccines cause autism.
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So...
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It was...
It was a gold mine for him.
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Any parents that had vaccinated his
children had turned out to be later
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diagnosed as autistic were straight
away looking into what could...
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What could get rid
of their children's autism?
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Camel's milk, for instance,
is meant to accelerate speech.
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It doesn't.
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Turpentine, slapping therapy
where you hold a child down
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and slap the autism out of them.
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Erm... Really? Yep.
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Yep. Packing therapy which is
available in France
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where they wrap children in freezing
cold sheets to, you know,
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reactivate their immune system
to drive the autism out of you.
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There's MMS, miracle mineral
solution,
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which is chlorine dioxide bleach
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which is touted to cure autism
in enemas and oral solutions.
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It does nothing but cause very
serious side-effects.
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Parents were using this
on their children.
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And I thought,
"They can't be, it's bleach!"
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I looked at my own children and
thought, I can't not do anything.
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I have to do something about this.
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Have you had any updates on
whereabouts he is?
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Yeah, he posted a video.
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A lot can be done in small places.
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One of the people we're after
is a man called Grennan.
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So, Grennan holds seminars where
you go along and you sit down
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and you learn how to mix
sodium chloride
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and citric acid together which makes
chlorine dioxide bleach.
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He's been doing some sort
of classes, hasn't he, as well?
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Yeah, they're travelling around.
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I think there was one that
we looked at that they made
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about $16,000 just in one seminar.
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Then you add three drops
of the activator.
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Remember, we've standardised
the hydrochloric acid to be at 4%.
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Grennan is on the run,
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operating from a secret lab
somewhere in America.
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His bestselling product
is miracle mineral solution -
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swimming pool bleach repurposed as
a medicine for kids to drink
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to wash their systems clean
of autism
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and, more recently, Covid.
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I started using fake profiles,
finding out where they are,
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their locations.
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Amanda and Melissa are brilliant
at finding out identities
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or locations, so it can be really
hard to pinpoint them,
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but once we do...
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..we report them
straight to the police.
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It was pretty obvious that this
product was being made
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in the backyard.
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The biggest thing that stuck out
was the grass growing in there,
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00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:45,480
like, that, you know,
484
00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:47,600
that looks like Florida.
485
00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:51,280
Yeah, maybe we could look at some
of the cars around in the video
486
00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:54,320
and see, maybe we could
get a licence plate.
487
00:27:54,360 --> 00:27:55,880
We're the bleach hunters.
488
00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:57,960
That's what we are.
489
00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:02,480
We track down abusive parents
and quacks, charlatans, people...
490
00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:03,880
Snake oil salesman.
491
00:28:05,120 --> 00:28:07,720
You see, the thing about putting
a bleach, you know,
492
00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:11,200
a toxin into your child
in an enema or an oral solution
493
00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:14,600
is you are going to get severe
adverse reactions.
494
00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:18,200
You know, this is the breakout on
their skin from ingesting bleach.
495
00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:20,480
This is from having bleach
in the mouth.
496
00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:23,960
These are actually strips
of bowel lining
497
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:25,800
with a penny to show the thickness
498
00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:30,000
and a tape measure to show,
you know, how long it is.
499
00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:31,560
This is someone's child.
500
00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:34,640
These are the pinned posts advising
parents not to tell people,
501
00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:36,640
you know, that they're using it.
502
00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:38,200
I do believe, in many cases,
503
00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:41,600
they genuinely do believe that
they're helping their children.
504
00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:43,600
More bowel lining.
505
00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:45,000
You know, they've kept it in jars
506
00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:47,600
to show off how much they've managed
to get out.
507
00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:49,800
It's just horrendous.
It's horrendous abuse.
508
00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:53,440
I blame Wakefield for that.
509
00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:55,160
I blame Wakefield for all of this.
510
00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:06,440
In a twist of good fortune,
511
00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:10,360
Wakefield's ideas have taken hold
in a very useful place - Hollywood.
512
00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:12,520
I believe that autism,
513
00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:16,680
in my heart, is preventable.
And treatable. And treatable.
514
00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:19,080
Vaccines are the largest-growing
division
515
00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:21,680
of the pharmaceutical industry.
516
00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:24,960
His new, powerful friends include
a figure from America's political
517
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:31,200
aristocracy - Robert F Kennedy Jr,
an outspoken vaccine critic.
518
00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:35,440
It's a useful club to be in for
someone looking for a new career.
519
00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:38,840
I thought, I am gonna become
a film-maker.
520
00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:43,480
And more importantly, turn
the tables on one's old adversaries.
521
00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:46,560
And I am going to become
your worst enemy.
522
00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:48,400
WHOOPING
523
00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:52,840
Wakefield claims he's found
an insider that will prove
524
00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:56,320
that the CDC, America's health
protection agency,
525
00:29:56,360 --> 00:29:58,760
has been covering up the truth.
526
00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:01,720
Deliberate, high-level
deception of the American people
527
00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:05,320
with disastrous consequences
for its children's health.
528
00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:09,040
First, he persuades his billionaire
donors, the Selzes,
529
00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:11,640
to give him a million dollars.
530
00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:15,880
Next, he recruits
a daytime TV producer.
531
00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:16,960
What's up?
532
00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:20,280
Del Bigtree.
533
00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:25,760
Together they make a movie, Vaxxed,
534
00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:29,880
and so begins Andrew Wakefield's
next assault on vaccines.
535
00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:35,200
It's a great pleasure to be back
causing trouble in Canada again.
536
00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:41,640
I've been wanting to make movies
my whole life and with that film,
537
00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:44,160
when it was finished
I remember having tears in my eyes
538
00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:46,680
as I watched it, just thinking,
539
00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:48,560
who made that movie?
540
00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:53,080
They say the sculptor
looks at a rock and ends up saying,
541
00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:54,480
"I didn't make the sculpture,
542
00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:57,080
"I just removed the rock
that was in the way."
543
00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:01,560
Did you enjoy Vaxxed the movie?
544
00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:09,320
HE LAUGHS
545
00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:11,440
Um...no.
546
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:16,600
My oldest son Ian
was walking and running.
547
00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:20,400
After the vaccine,
he was no longer able to do that.
548
00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:22,960
He just tells anecdote after
anecdote after anecdote.
549
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:26,760
"My child was fine, they got this
MMR vaccine and now look at them."
550
00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:29,400
And then the parent weeps,
clutches their child.
551
00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:32,080
I mean, who is not moved by that?
552
00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:36,560
The insider is a disgruntled CDC
scientist who Wakefield's associates
553
00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:38,600
have cultivated, and one of them
554
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:40,720
had secretly recorded.
555
00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:42,800
Their insider hands over the data
556
00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:46,800
gathered for a ten-year-old study
on vaccination and autism,
557
00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:49,640
and Wakefield's team
reanalyse the numbers...
558
00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:52,040
..till they get the answer
they want.
559
00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:55,840
Wow. The CDC had known all along
560
00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:58,640
there was this MMR-autism risk.
561
00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:03,000
And they sliced and diced the data
562
00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:05,960
in an effort to get
rid of that effect.
563
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:07,800
It's not exactly the Nixon tapes.
564
00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:11,600
I mean, it really just reads
like a disagreement among authors
565
00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:15,400
about how data should be presented.
That's all that was.
566
00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:19,520
The CDC said the film manipulated
the data and added to it
567
00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:21,640
to fit Wakefield's theories.
568
00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:24,120
Wakefield's insider put out
a statement saying
569
00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:28,840
he would never suggest any parent
avoid vaccinating their children.
570
00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:32,760
But by then the film was already
gathering momentum.
571
00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:35,360
As a parent of a child
who has autism,
572
00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:39,400
I'm concerned, and I wanna know
the truth. And I'm not anti-vaccine,
573
00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:41,560
I want safe vaccines.
574
00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:46,400
Actor Robert De Niro
has reversed course
575
00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:49,000
in a highly controversial
documentary film.
576
00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:51,760
This prestigious
Tribeca Film Festival will no longer
577
00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:53,760
feature a film called Vaxxed.
578
00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:55,960
They'd never confronted
anything like this before.
579
00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:57,560
They'd never had to deal with a film
580
00:32:57,600 --> 00:32:59,560
like this and they censored it.
581
00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:02,880
There was a backlash which
I haven't fully explored,
582
00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:07,080
and I will, but I didn't want it
to start affecting the festival
583
00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:09,640
in ways that I couldn't see.
584
00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:13,880
I think the controversy was a favour
to Wakefield and Bigtree and the
585
00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:16,600
movie because the movie became
a much-talked-about issue.
586
00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:18,840
But pharma and all these shills
587
00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:21,760
and everybody that wanted to stop
the story made the biggest mistake,
588
00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:24,320
not only just getting us
kicked out of Tribeca,
589
00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:28,720
but slowing our release down
till we were in the public eye
590
00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:30,040
for a straight year.
591
00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:33,880
We bought a bus that said "Vaxxed".
We're just driving city to city.
592
00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:36,640
And we would show up, there would be
a line down the block.
593
00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:55,040
So, I saw that the Vaxxed bus
was on tour round the country
594
00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:56,960
and was making a stop in my town.
595
00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:00,680
And I decided, well,
that's not gonna do,
596
00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:02,800
I'm not gonna let them
defile my home park like that,
597
00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:05,360
so I just went and printed up a sign
598
00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:07,360
and just walked over
599
00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:10,160
and went over to the bus
and stood there in front of it.
600
00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:22,840
And then one thing led to another,
just to drop everything
601
00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:25,800
and go out and chase the Vaxxed
bus around the country for a while.
602
00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:28,640
Hey, everybody, Craig Egan here.
I am in Billings, Montana.
603
00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:30,800
Craig Egan here in Minnesota.
604
00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:32,720
I am back at the Vaxxed bus.
605
00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:39,080
I mean, we were on a road trip.
606
00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:41,440
We were on the road the whole time,
you know?
607
00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:46,680
We drove from Tacoma to Colorado
and then to Kansas City
608
00:34:46,720 --> 00:34:47,760
and then we, like,
609
00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:50,760
zig-zagged across the Midwest
all the way to Philadelphia.
610
00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:57,400
One of their trips, I think they
came in to find you in the diner
611
00:34:57,440 --> 00:35:00,640
having your breakfast and say hello.
How did that go?
612
00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:03,040
Not so well, it turns out.
613
00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:08,640
They wanted to see if they could get
an interview with you, Paul.
614
00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:11,240
Are you up for that?
An interview over the Vaxxed bus?
615
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:14,120
Who are you? I'm just a camera guy.
616
00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:17,000
No. You're not interested?
Are you kidding me?
617
00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:21,600
We can talk about, you know,
differences of opinion and...
618
00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:23,040
Get outta here.
619
00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:26,040
Get the fuck outta here. I don't
wanna talk to you. All right.
620
00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:28,840
All right? I mean, I just think if
you have the truth on your side
621
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:31,720
you'd be up for just having
a conversation. Out. All right.
622
00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:34,840
Get the fuck out of here.
623
00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:39,840
I regret saying that. Um, certainly
my hospital regrets my saying that
624
00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:44,840
because that video appeared
everywhere. I think my hospital
625
00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:48,600
had to hire somebody
for the next 24 hours to try
626
00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:51,280
and deal with
the fallout from my saying that.
627
00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:54,520
Although I can tell you
I never got more positive mail.
628
00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:57,280
There were a lot of people
that really loved that line.
629
00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:04,600
One of the locations where they
went, they were interviewing this
630
00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:09,800
guy who was kind of a conspiracy
theory radio show kind of guy.
631
00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:12,400
I mean, I will be violent
if somebody tries to vaccinate me
632
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:14,920
or one of my family. That's why
I've got this gun on my hip.
633
00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:18,160
They were interviewing him
and he was, like, going on about
634
00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:22,080
the one world government
and all this crazy nonsense.
635
00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:25,880
It's a little one. Is it loaded?
Yeah, of course it is.
636
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:27,680
And then the subject of me came up.
637
00:36:27,720 --> 00:36:30,720
Our little protester
didn't follow us today.
638
00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:32,280
He's a little punk bitch.
639
00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:34,280
And he's just like,
"That little bitch."
640
00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:36,760
He started, like, like, like,
like, like insulting me
641
00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:39,680
and basically went on this
rant saying that
642
00:36:39,720 --> 00:36:43,120
when the system collapses
and the government collapses
643
00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:45,360
and there's no
accountability any more,
644
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:47,640
I'm gonna be the first person
he hangs from a noose.
645
00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:49,760
But I guarantee you what -
he wouldn't...
646
00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:53,440
I'd treat him like the little bitch
he is if he ever flipped me off.
647
00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:55,840
I was like, wow, dude!
648
00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:59,240
Nice to meet you, too, guy!
You know?
649
00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:01,200
HE LAUGHS
650
00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:06,840
I just wanted to be a monkey wrench
in their gears.
651
00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:09,320
I can't take on the entire anti-vax
community and I certainly
652
00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:12,080
can't take on well-funded people
653
00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:15,160
like Andrew Wakefield
and Del Bigtree.
654
00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:18,080
But I can be a pain in the ass
when I really try hard.
655
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:28,000
There was one more person who could
really further Wakefield's
656
00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:30,000
aspirations to widen his audience,
657
00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:32,720
and get back at the medical
establishment.
658
00:37:34,080 --> 00:37:37,280
Two years old, two and a half years
old, a child, a beautiful child,
659
00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:39,200
went to have the vaccine
660
00:37:39,240 --> 00:37:41,360
and came back and a week later
661
00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:42,960
got a tremendous fever,
662
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:45,840
got very, very sick.
Now is autistic.
663
00:37:49,720 --> 00:37:51,560
SIREN WAILS
664
00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:54,000
I've been very much involved
with it over the years,
665
00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:56,760
I have some great friends,
Bob and Suzanne Wright,
666
00:37:56,800 --> 00:38:00,040
and they've had a serious event
take place in their family,
667
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:03,440
they're fantastic people,
and I've helped them over the years.
668
00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:08,000
My parents were friends with him
and my dad did business with him,
669
00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:11,160
they lived in a Trump apartment,
yeah, sure.
670
00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:13,080
He knew about Christian.
671
00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:16,120
It's also very controversial to even
say, but I couldn't care less,
672
00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:18,720
I mean, I've seen people where
they have a, you know, perfectly
673
00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:21,560
healthy child
and they go for the vaccinations
674
00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:24,080
and a month later the child
is no longer healthy.
675
00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:26,040
He could have been talking
about Christian.
676
00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:28,800
Donald Trump could have been
talking about Christian because
677
00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:33,640
Trump is very nice, he asked
my parents what precipitated
678
00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:36,800
the onset and my parents said,
679
00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:39,400
"Well, you know,
Katie thinks it's the vaccines."
680
00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:43,560
And he said, "I've heard that
from so many families. So many."
681
00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:45,400
You know, I have a theory,
682
00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:47,520
and it's a theory
that some people believe in,
683
00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:50,240
and that's the vaccination.
684
00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:54,680
Before Donal Trump was elected,
he, um, he was an anti-vaxxer.
685
00:38:54,720 --> 00:38:58,960
And then when he won
and he had his inauguration balls,
686
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:01,960
the people that he invited were
people like Andrew Wakefield.
687
00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:05,000
That's really unfortunate that
Andrew Wakefield had this
688
00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:06,920
opportunity with Donald Trump
689
00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:09,480
because in a normal world
the President of the United States
690
00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:12,040
should not be meeting
with someone like that.
691
00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:16,120
But, unfortunately, that's not
what the White House was at the time
692
00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:19,800
that we were dealing with.
I would like to say, you know,
693
00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:24,400
no, thank you to the UK for sending
this individual our way.
694
00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:26,440
Cos now we're stuck with him.
695
00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:40,200
In 2019, before Covid,
696
00:39:40,240 --> 00:39:43,120
there was another epidemic
that confirmed the strength
697
00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:45,680
of Andrew Wakefield's
anti-vax message.
698
00:39:45,720 --> 00:39:48,440
..New York City health department
took the unprecedented step
699
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:51,120
of issuing an emergency...
..major outbreak of measles...
700
00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:54,000
..the city's measles count is
now 390...
701
00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:57,520
But it was also
the start of a fightback,
702
00:39:57,560 --> 00:40:00,480
led by high-school kid who had
reason to question
703
00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:03,800
how the anti-vax message was
spreading so successfully.
704
00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:07,760
I'm looking at the news and seeing
that there's measles outbreaks
705
00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:10,320
across the world, and across the US.
706
00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:12,640
There are preventable diseases
spreading in ways
707
00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:14,440
that they really shouldn't.
708
00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:16,720
My mum is anti-vaccine.
709
00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:18,920
Seeing the measles outbreaks,
I knew I was...
710
00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:20,560
..almost part of the problem.
711
00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:24,680
So I went online and I said,
"Hey, my parents are kind of stupid
712
00:40:24,720 --> 00:40:26,520
"and don't believe in vaccines.
713
00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:30,000
"Now I'm 18,
where do I go to get vaccinated?"
714
00:40:30,040 --> 00:40:31,720
MESSAGE SENT SWISHES
715
00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:35,760
Measles is highly contagious.
It came back into the United States.
716
00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:37,480
Thank you, Andrew Wakefield.
717
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:46,360
So, I remember about a year or so
ago, I was talking to my mum,
718
00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:50,720
and she said, "Yeah, I paid for this
class to learn more about vaccines."
719
00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:53,320
And I was like, "Who's running it?"
She said, "Oh, this doctor,
720
00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:55,560
"she's a doctor from
Cleveland Clinic..."
721
00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:57,840
"Oh, she's anti-vax, right?"
She said, "Yeah."
722
00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:00,880
"How much is a class?"
723
00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:02,400
It was, like, $300.
724
00:41:03,720 --> 00:41:06,440
I was like, "You paid $300 to learn
about vaccines when I can just,
725
00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:08,680
"like, research it on the
CDC's website for free?
726
00:41:08,720 --> 00:41:10,680
"And why do you have to pay
to go figure this out?"
727
00:41:10,720 --> 00:41:12,920
And she was like, "Well, no-one will
tell me the truth."
728
00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:15,400
And I had a moment of realisation
where I was like,
729
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:17,760
"Wait a second,
this is about money.
730
00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:21,040
"I think this is really about money,
so are these people manipulating
731
00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:23,800
and convincing the mum of these lies
to profit off of her?"
732
00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:28,920
Possibly the
most cynical currency of
733
00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:32,120
the anti-vaccination movement has
become the dead baby.
734
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:37,640
Six-month-old Evee Clobes'
mother was not anti-vaccination.
735
00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:40,720
She had just taken her baby to get
her routine shots.
736
00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:45,840
When I woke up,
I went to the bathroom...
737
00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:48,680
..and I came back...
738
00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:56,320
..and she hadn't moved yet and I got
closer and I said, "Evee!"
739
00:41:57,360 --> 00:42:00,440
And...we got to the hospital and...
740
00:42:01,720 --> 00:42:02,920
..I knew she was gone.
741
00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:06,000
It just didn't make any sense.
742
00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:08,400
So I made this post on Facebook,
743
00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:11,600
"Please help, my daughter just
died...
744
00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:16,960
"..unexpectedly,"
and my Facebook blew up.
745
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:20,720
Within hours, Catie was inundated
with messages blaming
746
00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:22,960
the vaccines for her baby's death.
747
00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:26,360
This is a classic example of how
anti-vaxxers operates.
748
00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:27,880
They come along, and they say,
749
00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:30,880
"Well, did your kid have any
vaccines last year?"
750
00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:34,280
And you say, "Yeah, they had three,
four, maybe," and they say,
751
00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:37,560
"Oh, that's a high vaccine load,
maybe it was the vaccines.
752
00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:40,520
"Have you looked at this paper?
That might tell you some information
753
00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:42,520
"about it, you should do your own
research."
754
00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:45,120
The medical examiner ruled that
evidence collected
755
00:42:45,160 --> 00:42:49,120
at the scene showed Evee suffocated
while co-sleeping with her mother.
756
00:42:50,240 --> 00:42:53,240
But this hasn't stopped anti-vaxxers
using her story
757
00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:55,560
to drive traffic to their sites.
758
00:42:55,600 --> 00:42:58,000
Catie, welcome,
thank you for coming on
759
00:42:58,040 --> 00:43:00,080
and offering to share your story
with us.
760
00:43:01,560 --> 00:43:04,600
The allegations that here,
you have a healthy child,
761
00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:10,360
she has this positional...asphyxia
and she dies. Mm-hm.
762
00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:11,960
That's not what happened at all.
763
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:15,600
No. Taking a clinical history,
it was quite evident that...
764
00:43:16,680 --> 00:43:18,200
..it was a continuum...
765
00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:22,280
..of illness, which started with
the vaccines
766
00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:25,360
and ended in Evee's death.
That's undeniable.
767
00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:29,800
I am absolutely appalled by this
story and sadly,
768
00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:31,480
I've heard it so many times.
769
00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:33,600
SHE EXHALES
770
00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:37,080
Well...
SHE SOBS
771
00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:39,200
I want to say thank
you for fighting.
772
00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:49,040
The anti-vaxxers swoop in
and convince this person that
773
00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:50,640
vaccines are the reason.
774
00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:53,360
That person then goes
out as an advocate and says,
775
00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:55,000
"Vaccines killed my child."
776
00:43:56,320 --> 00:44:00,160
And now, that person has become
a human shield for the movement.
777
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:04,440
Here, we've got her store,
778
00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:07,240
where she has got her
"Justice For Evee" merchandise,
779
00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:11,160
she's got pins, you can get a
little sleeper pin for $10...
780
00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:16,040
..tote bags,
T-shirts for everyone...
781
00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:19,680
.."Healthy babies don't just die."
782
00:44:21,160 --> 00:44:22,920
It's just...
HE CHUCKLES
783
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:24,680
You've got your hoodies...
784
00:44:24,720 --> 00:44:27,280
She's got a full-on boutique
going on here.
785
00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:31,880
The image of Catie Clobes'
baby is now pasted on billboards
786
00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:35,760
across America - a mother's grief
used by the anti-vax movement's
787
00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:40,320
big guns, to turn her into an
activist, promoting their message.
788
00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:42,600
So, here is all of the different
bits and pieces
789
00:44:42,640 --> 00:44:45,720
you need to know if you have
a vaccine-injured child...
790
00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:49,600
Larry Cook...
791
00:44:51,040 --> 00:44:53,840
He describes himself as a
healthy lifestyle author,
792
00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:55,640
film-maker and coach.
793
00:44:55,680 --> 00:44:58,760
He had a Facebook group -
195,000 members.
794
00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:01,560
What he did was he hooked people in
using different myths.
795
00:45:01,600 --> 00:45:04,360
You know, whether it's about
fertility or microchips or
796
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:08,400
whatever else, but once they're in
there, the Facebook group was used
797
00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:12,680
to radicalise people and to bring
them into his marketing pathway.
798
00:45:14,520 --> 00:45:19,960
This is why vaccines fail - it's
not because of anti-vaxxers,
799
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:24,320
it's because the process itself
is a fake process.
800
00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:26,680
It's fake immunity,
it's false.
801
00:45:26,720 --> 00:45:30,320
We looked at the techniques they use
which are very similar to...
802
00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:32,440
It's a mixture of sort of
grooming...
803
00:45:33,640 --> 00:45:35,800
..and multilevel marketing.
804
00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:38,560
So, the way they bring people in is
they target people
805
00:45:38,600 --> 00:45:41,600
who are vulnerable, giving them
a small answer, they say,
806
00:45:41,640 --> 00:45:44,480
"I've got bigger answers,
but you're going to pay for it."
807
00:45:44,520 --> 00:45:46,880
And they start dragging them
down and that's why it's
808
00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:50,280
a bit like multilevel marketing,
it's a bit like a cult.
809
00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:53,320
With every additional donation,
810
00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:55,640
you get a higher level of
understanding.
811
00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:16,120
Good morning, everyone.
812
00:46:16,160 --> 00:46:19,240
My name's Ethan Lindenberger and I'm
a senior at Norwalk High School.
813
00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:22,120
And my mother is an anti-vax
advocate that believes vaccines
814
00:46:22,160 --> 00:46:23,600
cause autism...
815
00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:27,280
So I gave a Senate testimony in
March 2019 in front
816
00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:29,760
of a Senate committee
about vaccinations
817
00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:32,040
and about preventable disease
outbreaks...
818
00:46:32,080 --> 00:46:34,480
And they wanted to hear my
perspective as someone who
819
00:46:34,520 --> 00:46:36,360
grew up with an anti-vaccine mother.
820
00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:39,200
I had to buy my first suit to go
there.
821
00:46:39,240 --> 00:46:41,800
My pastor... Finally went to get
my suit, and he was like,
822
00:46:41,840 --> 00:46:43,840
"Hey, even if you sound dumb,
you'll look smart."
823
00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:45,320
And I was like, "Cool."
824
00:46:45,360 --> 00:46:48,400
People don't resonate well with
information in data, numbers and...
825
00:46:48,440 --> 00:46:50,000
They resonate better with stories.
826
00:46:50,040 --> 00:46:52,760
You see that with a lot of the
anti-vaccine committee,
827
00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:55,600
that a large proportion of the
foundation that they build
828
00:46:55,640 --> 00:46:58,840
to communicate with parents is on a
very anecdotal level,
829
00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:02,760
sharing stories and experiences
and that speaks volume to people
830
00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:05,960
because, at least for even my
family, my mum would reaffirm
831
00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:07,240
that her position was correct
832
00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:09,800
because she knows people and
she's seen stories.
833
00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:13,080
INDISTINCT CHATTER
834
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:17,600
So, aside from just a long
laundry list of, like,
835
00:47:17,640 --> 00:47:19,120
things that have happened,
836
00:47:19,160 --> 00:47:21,560
security had to walk me in
and out of the Senate building,
837
00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:23,880
they had people that
tried to approach me
838
00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:26,240
after the Senate testimony
that were arrested.
839
00:47:26,280 --> 00:47:29,760
It's, like, very organised
and...weaponised people.
840
00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:32,320
There's a guy named Larry Cook on
Facebook, a big anti-vaxxer,
841
00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:34,520
and he was, all caps,
literally all caps, like,
842
00:47:34,560 --> 00:47:36,880
"Ethan's dumb... I can't believe
this is a thing."
843
00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:39,640
And I was having 100 people comment
on my posts and stuff, like,
844
00:47:39,680 --> 00:47:42,000
"You're stupid," "You're dumb..."
and blah, blah, blah.
845
00:47:42,040 --> 00:47:45,080
It's like, "Where is this coming
from?! This is a sudden influx of
this hate.
846
00:47:45,120 --> 00:47:46,640
And I saw that and I was like,
"Oh..."
847
00:47:46,680 --> 00:47:48,480
Like someone told them to.
Exactly.
848
00:47:49,520 --> 00:47:52,280
I had bomb threats, I had a
person comment on Instagram
849
00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:54,640
that someone should beat my brains
out with the bat.
850
00:47:54,680 --> 00:47:59,160
People can take action on the
things that they say, so, just...
851
00:47:59,200 --> 00:48:02,200
You're very, very strong
and it's amazing how well
852
00:48:02,240 --> 00:48:06,320
you're taking it in stride, but just
remember to be cautious also. Mm-hm.
853
00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:08,760
Real-life... Yeah.
854
00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:11,440
Something that I noticed,
though, as a similarity...
855
00:48:19,040 --> 00:48:24,000
Ethan Lindenberger basically
rebelled against his mother
856
00:48:24,040 --> 00:48:27,480
by getting vaccinated
by choice as a teenager.
857
00:48:27,520 --> 00:48:30,160
You know, this is very alarming for
a mother.
858
00:48:30,200 --> 00:48:32,400
I think that they're pushing
forward Lindenberger
859
00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:35,040
for several reasons, but not least
of which is that... Mm-hm.
860
00:48:35,080 --> 00:48:39,480
..is to have him portrayed as a role
model for children to defy their
861
00:48:39,520 --> 00:48:42,440
parents in respect of vaccination
or of medical decisions... Yes.
862
00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:45,920
..and so, I find him
utterly irrelevant...
863
00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:48,880
..in the scientific setting.
864
00:48:50,120 --> 00:48:52,240
Utterly irrelevant in many,
many ways,
865
00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:56,440
but a useful idiot in terms
of exploiting him to...
866
00:48:57,760 --> 00:49:02,280
..to persuade other teenagers that
it's cool to defy your parents
867
00:49:02,320 --> 00:49:04,880
and it's very, very sad that he
defies his mother, which...
868
00:49:04,920 --> 00:49:08,520
It goes against this notion which I
am deeply invested in, of...
869
00:49:08,560 --> 00:49:10,320
ETHAN: Hm.
..maternal instinct.
870
00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:14,280
What do you make of that?
871
00:49:16,360 --> 00:49:17,400
HE MOUTHS
872
00:49:18,440 --> 00:49:19,680
I think that...
873
00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:22,960
..between Wakefield and I...
874
00:49:24,280 --> 00:49:26,360
..the one who's more scientifically
irrelevant
875
00:49:26,400 --> 00:49:28,360
is the one who lost his
medical licence.
876
00:49:33,840 --> 00:49:38,000
When did you first find out your son
was the new superhero
877
00:49:38,040 --> 00:49:39,480
of the pharmaceutical industry?
878
00:49:39,520 --> 00:49:41,400
Wow, well...
879
00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:44,040
He had told me that he was going to
get vaccinated
880
00:49:44,080 --> 00:49:47,600
and I was very upset, we ended up
getting into a pretty big argument
881
00:49:47,640 --> 00:49:49,400
about it and it was more...
882
00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:54,840
I think she looks at this as if
she's lost me to the powers that be,
883
00:49:54,880 --> 00:49:58,200
controlling and contorting the
truth.
884
00:49:58,240 --> 00:50:02,160
I'm like, "What are you saying?
Because you know I'm against this."
Right... And I said,
885
00:50:02,200 --> 00:50:06,280
"Well, if you're going to talk, I'll
talk, I want to talk too, tell them
I want them to interview me."
886
00:50:06,320 --> 00:50:09,640
So, you said, "I want to be
interviewed..." Oh, yeah. "..with my
side of the story."
887
00:50:09,680 --> 00:50:11,920
Yeah, I said, "I want them to hear
my side of the story."
888
00:50:11,960 --> 00:50:13,960
And to me, I also see it a similar
way,
889
00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:17,360
where I've lost a caring mother,
I've lost that...
890
00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:22,800
..to an organisation and a movement,
elaborately and directly
891
00:50:22,840 --> 00:50:26,520
trying to manipulate that
and profit and gain out of that...
892
00:50:27,800 --> 00:50:29,520
..at the expense of my family.
893
00:50:31,360 --> 00:50:33,640
Does your mother get most of her
information online?
894
00:50:33,680 --> 00:50:37,080
Yes, either through Facebook
or through sites that use
895
00:50:37,120 --> 00:50:38,920
the social media platforms,
like Facebook.
896
00:50:38,960 --> 00:50:40,640
Where do you get most of your
information?
897
00:50:40,680 --> 00:50:42,360
From...not Facebook!
898
00:50:42,400 --> 00:50:44,840
I'd love to be a guest at
Thanksgiving dinner at your house!
899
00:50:44,880 --> 00:50:47,480
That would be a...
LAUGHTER DROWNS SPEECH
900
00:50:56,800 --> 00:50:59,280
Welcome back to the
Andy Wakefield Podcast.
901
00:50:59,320 --> 00:51:02,040
My name is Lori
Gregory and, as always,
902
00:51:02,080 --> 00:51:04,720
it's my great pleasure to be
here with you, Andy Wakefield.
903
00:51:04,760 --> 00:51:07,200
How are you today?
Morning, Lori, I am wonderful.
904
00:51:10,080 --> 00:51:13,880
We're going to talk today about the
gift that just keeps on giving.
905
00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:15,680
Covid-19.
906
00:51:15,720 --> 00:51:17,840
So much to talk about.
907
00:51:17,880 --> 00:51:21,640
Every day, there is
just so much more...
908
00:51:23,240 --> 00:51:26,080
Where is Wakefield now?
909
00:51:26,120 --> 00:51:28,760
Over the years, he's courted
an awful lot of trouble,
910
00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:31,200
do you think he
sleeps well at night?
911
00:51:31,240 --> 00:51:34,000
Andrew Wakefield has absolutely
no trouble sleeping at night
912
00:51:34,040 --> 00:51:36,920
and I'm fairly confident
913
00:51:36,960 --> 00:51:41,680
that he's actually
never sleeping better.
914
00:51:43,480 --> 00:51:46,880
Andrew Wakefield is living in
South Florida,
915
00:51:46,920 --> 00:51:48,680
in an estate,
916
00:51:48,720 --> 00:51:51,120
with Elle MacPherson.
917
00:51:58,440 --> 00:52:02,720
I mean, holy Toledo,
can you even imagine that?
918
00:52:02,760 --> 00:52:04,480
I mean, it's...
919
00:52:04,520 --> 00:52:06,800
I don't get it.
920
00:52:06,840 --> 00:52:09,720
You're supposed to
be a hidden figure,
921
00:52:09,760 --> 00:52:15,120
you're not supposed to be
living on a tropical beach...
922
00:52:16,720 --> 00:52:19,840
..with Elle MacPherson. It's not
supposed to happen that way.
923
00:52:26,120 --> 00:52:29,080
I mean, what do you even...
924
00:52:29,120 --> 00:52:30,960
..imagine she sees in him?
925
00:52:40,840 --> 00:52:46,400
The wages of medical
sin and public health
926
00:52:46,440 --> 00:52:50,080
panic inducing seem to
be pretty attractive,
927
00:52:50,120 --> 00:52:51,800
you know, on balance.
928
00:52:51,840 --> 00:52:54,640
He's making a really good case
929
00:52:54,680 --> 00:53:00,320
that getting struck off and becoming
a pariah in your home country...
930
00:53:02,520 --> 00:53:06,480
..is not the worst thing
that can happen in a career.
931
00:53:09,680 --> 00:53:12,320
Even as Wakefield is
pursuing new interests,
932
00:53:12,360 --> 00:53:16,960
the fortunes of the anti-vax
movement are about to transform.
933
00:53:17,000 --> 00:53:20,720
2020 arrives and it's
Christmas all over again.
934
00:53:20,760 --> 00:53:22,680
Coronavirus.
935
00:53:22,720 --> 00:53:26,080
Covid-19 is a giant overblown hoax.
936
00:53:26,120 --> 00:53:28,560
Causing mass hysteria.
937
00:53:28,600 --> 00:53:30,360
Let's catch this.
938
00:53:31,560 --> 00:53:37,280
Coronavirus is the biggest
opportunity they'd had in decades
939
00:53:37,320 --> 00:53:39,440
to convert millions of people.
940
00:53:39,480 --> 00:53:42,760
An opportunity
they seized with both hands.
941
00:53:45,360 --> 00:53:52,000
I watched Mikki Willis' wonderful
documentary yesterday, Plandemic.
942
00:53:52,040 --> 00:53:54,320
Extremely powerful piece of work.
943
00:53:54,360 --> 00:53:56,080
Most impressive.
944
00:53:56,120 --> 00:54:01,320
So, if you haven't watched
that, you must watch it.
945
00:54:01,360 --> 00:54:04,080
That documentary,
posted on the Internet,
946
00:54:04,120 --> 00:54:06,640
claimed that Covid had
been started deliberately
947
00:54:06,680 --> 00:54:09,560
so drug companies could
profit from dangerous vaccines.
948
00:54:10,920 --> 00:54:13,040
Somebody didn't go to a market,
949
00:54:13,080 --> 00:54:16,400
get a bat, the virus didn't jump
directly to humans -
950
00:54:16,440 --> 00:54:18,000
that's not how it works.
951
00:54:19,800 --> 00:54:21,640
Plandemic,
952
00:54:21,680 --> 00:54:25,320
a pseudo-documentary filled with
a hodgepodge of conspiracy theories.
953
00:54:25,360 --> 00:54:28,960
In just one week, it was viewed
over eight million times,
954
00:54:29,000 --> 00:54:30,560
which is a shockingly high number.
955
00:54:30,600 --> 00:54:33,760
This is the one they've been waiting
for, they're well financed,
956
00:54:33,800 --> 00:54:35,360
they're well organised,
957
00:54:35,400 --> 00:54:37,920
and now really sophisticated
at using social media
958
00:54:37,960 --> 00:54:39,960
to spread their message.
959
00:54:40,000 --> 00:54:43,080
Covid is a massive gift to them.
960
00:54:43,120 --> 00:54:44,720
It was a growth opportunity,
961
00:54:44,760 --> 00:54:47,960
a chance for them to
sell their narratives.
962
00:54:48,000 --> 00:54:51,120
All the memes that they've been
doing about other diseases,
963
00:54:51,160 --> 00:54:52,560
about measles, autism,
964
00:54:52,600 --> 00:54:56,000
about everything else - they got
repurposed immediately for Covid.
965
00:54:56,040 --> 00:54:58,760
# I'm a Pfizer girl,
in a Covid world... #
966
00:55:01,040 --> 00:55:05,000
This is a farm for creating
high-engagement content.
967
00:55:07,320 --> 00:55:10,920
Ten million more followers over
that first year,
968
00:55:10,960 --> 00:55:14,840
60 million followers in total
across their social media platforms.
969
00:55:14,880 --> 00:55:18,960
This was a chance for them to
grow and also to build alliances
970
00:55:19,000 --> 00:55:22,720
because they were the talking point
for millions of people.
971
00:55:25,120 --> 00:55:30,640
So the team's been looking today
into Joe Mercola quite specifically
972
00:55:30,680 --> 00:55:33,280
and this one here shows that
973
00:55:33,320 --> 00:55:36,160
he's been listening 22 vitamin
supplements and products
974
00:55:36,200 --> 00:55:38,360
that claim to treat or cure Covid.
975
00:55:39,560 --> 00:55:42,320
He's been promoting
remedies for Covid
976
00:55:42,360 --> 00:55:44,360
including H202 nebulisation.
977
00:55:44,400 --> 00:55:47,560
That's inhaling bleach.
978
00:55:47,600 --> 00:55:49,640
There really is no magic medicine.
979
00:55:49,680 --> 00:55:53,560
And so therefore that's when the
charlatans step in,
980
00:55:53,600 --> 00:55:57,040
that's when the clowns enter
centre stage and they say,
981
00:55:57,080 --> 00:56:00,000
"Yeah, the modern medicine doesn't
know it because they don't care,
982
00:56:00,040 --> 00:56:01,840
"because doctors
don't care but I care
983
00:56:01,880 --> 00:56:04,000
"and I'm going to give you this
magic medicine
984
00:56:04,040 --> 00:56:06,320
"at a price from
which I will make a fortune."
985
00:56:10,880 --> 00:56:16,280
Grenon, the man who was selling them
MMS bleach as a cure for autism
986
00:56:16,320 --> 00:56:18,160
is now targeting people with Covid.
987
00:56:20,000 --> 00:56:22,480
So we started
reporting him for this.
988
00:56:24,000 --> 00:56:25,240
For fake cure peddlers,
989
00:56:25,280 --> 00:56:28,520
the pandemic has become an
"I saw you coming" moment.
990
00:56:28,560 --> 00:56:32,320
Grenon's income quadrupled when he
repackaged his bleach product
991
00:56:32,360 --> 00:56:35,960
as a Covid cure.
992
00:56:36,000 --> 00:56:39,160
Grenon has come out and said
he has contacted Trump.
993
00:56:44,000 --> 00:56:46,240
And then I see the disinfectant
994
00:56:46,280 --> 00:56:50,640
where it knocks it out in a
minute, one minute,
995
00:56:50,680 --> 00:56:54,120
and is there a way
we can do something like that?
996
00:56:54,160 --> 00:56:57,120
By injection inside
997
00:56:57,160 --> 00:57:00,400
or almost a cleaning so
that you're going to have
998
00:57:00,440 --> 00:57:02,120
to use medical vouchers for it
999
00:57:02,160 --> 00:57:04,000
but it sounds interesting to me.
1000
00:57:06,240 --> 00:57:10,000
The American authorities didn't
share the President's enthusiasm
1001
00:57:10,040 --> 00:57:11,960
for industrial bleach.
1002
00:57:12,000 --> 00:57:13,400
Live photos from John Grenon,
1003
00:57:13,440 --> 00:57:14,920
aged 62, and his three sons,
1004
00:57:14,960 --> 00:57:17,880
they were caught selling a
"Miracle Mineral Solution".
1005
00:57:17,920 --> 00:57:21,760
Grenon's been caught,
how brilliant is that?
1006
00:57:23,520 --> 00:57:25,280
Finally!
1007
00:57:25,320 --> 00:57:28,160
I can't believe it's taken
this long. I'm so happy.
1008
00:57:30,680 --> 00:57:34,440
There's a lot of stuff coming
out of the house now
1009
00:57:34,480 --> 00:57:36,920
that he's been arrested.
Huge vats of the MMS...
1010
00:57:36,960 --> 00:57:38,520
It was like a factory in there.
1011
00:57:38,560 --> 00:57:42,000
The world's leading scientists
have expressed their delight,
1012
00:57:42,040 --> 00:57:44,000
along with a strong note of caution,
1013
00:57:44,040 --> 00:57:46,680
following the news that a
vaccine against coronavirus
1014
00:57:46,720 --> 00:57:49,960
has proven 90% effective.
1015
00:57:52,240 --> 00:57:54,880
We are going to see a vaccine
1016
00:57:54,920 --> 00:57:58,120
with a limited the lifespan that
is going to hurt a lot of people.
1017
00:57:59,400 --> 00:58:01,680
This vaccine has a
truckload of shit in it.
1018
00:58:03,040 --> 00:58:05,840
It causes for infertility, death.
1019
00:58:05,880 --> 00:58:07,800
Poison. It's going to
destroy your health.
1020
00:58:07,840 --> 00:58:09,240
Alzheimer's, you name it.
1021
00:58:09,280 --> 00:58:14,200
Infertility in women -
potentially, permanently.
1022
00:58:14,240 --> 00:58:18,760
Why have we taken the entire global
economy to its knees
1023
00:58:18,800 --> 00:58:21,840
over what's going to be a
big fat nothing burger?
1024
00:58:21,880 --> 00:58:24,960
Why would they want to sabotage
the best hope that we have
1025
00:58:25,000 --> 00:58:26,320
for an end to Covid?
1026
00:58:28,360 --> 00:58:29,960
Money.
1027
00:58:32,080 --> 00:58:35,080
Imran and his team have been
looking at the money
1028
00:58:35,120 --> 00:58:36,960
behind the anti-vax movement for us
1029
00:58:37,000 --> 00:58:40,640
and are soon to publish findings in
a report
1030
00:58:40,680 --> 00:58:42,360
that lays out, unequivocally,
1031
00:58:42,400 --> 00:58:44,840
that anti-vax is a
money-churning business.
1032
00:58:44,880 --> 00:58:48,080
Three of Andrew Wakefield's closest
associate -
1033
00:58:48,120 --> 00:58:51,400
Del Bigtree, Robert F Kennedy Jr
and Joseph Mercola -
1034
00:58:51,440 --> 00:58:53,960
are responsive for
nearly half of the content
1035
00:58:54,000 --> 00:58:58,240
that we find circulating
in anti-vaccine groups.
1036
00:58:58,280 --> 00:59:01,360
We knew that they were going
to take advantage of Covid,
1037
00:59:01,400 --> 00:59:04,080
we just didn't realise
how effective they'd be
1038
00:59:04,120 --> 00:59:06,000
and how substantially they'd grow
1039
00:59:06,040 --> 00:59:10,760
so this is a bigger industry than
we'd ever thought was possible.
1040
00:59:10,800 --> 00:59:15,400
Not only are the followers with
millions to the anti-vax sellers,
1041
00:59:15,440 --> 00:59:17,080
their clicks have, in the past,
1042
00:59:17,120 --> 00:59:19,880
generated vast incomes for the
social networks
1043
00:59:19,920 --> 00:59:21,200
who have hosted them.
1044
00:59:21,240 --> 00:59:24,880
Could be worth up to a billion
dollars in annual revenue
1045
00:59:24,920 --> 00:59:27,160
to these social networks.
1046
00:59:28,600 --> 00:59:31,760
Nine months into the pandemic,
in December 2020,
1047
00:59:31,800 --> 00:59:36,000
Facebook changed course
and started removing false claims
1048
00:59:36,040 --> 00:59:39,160
about Covid-19 vaccines -
and vaccines in general.
1049
00:59:39,200 --> 00:59:43,120
Those in control of these things
did not like me speaking out
1050
00:59:43,160 --> 00:59:44,360
as much as I did
1051
00:59:44,400 --> 00:59:46,600
and Facebook shut me down,
1052
00:59:46,640 --> 00:59:48,840
and then Twitter followed suit.
1053
00:59:48,880 --> 00:59:52,200
Larry Cook responded with a move
that would open a window
1054
00:59:52,240 --> 00:59:55,240
on the anti-vax business model,
he sued them.
1055
00:59:55,280 --> 00:59:58,760
This is his affidavit. He said
his revenue has been demolished.
1056
00:59:58,800 --> 01:00:00,120
Boo-hoo.
1057
01:00:00,160 --> 01:00:02,960
"Through Facebook, I shared online
summits, donation requests,
1058
01:00:03,000 --> 01:00:04,560
"supplement recommendations
1059
01:00:04,600 --> 01:00:07,160
"and other revenue-generating
opportunities."
1060
01:00:07,200 --> 01:00:10,200
It's a five-dollar special.
1061
01:00:10,240 --> 01:00:12,560
"Without my Facebook account
because of censorship,
1062
01:00:12,600 --> 01:00:15,880
"my ability to secure ongoing
revenue has been demolished."
1063
01:00:15,920 --> 01:00:18,160
That's what he saw it as.
1064
01:00:18,200 --> 01:00:22,440
These are
economically-motivated bad guys.
1065
01:00:22,480 --> 01:00:25,640
These people need to be out of
business, they need to be pariahs.
1066
01:00:37,160 --> 01:00:40,080
When one door closes,
when Facebook closes,
1067
01:00:40,120 --> 01:00:43,720
there are ten people waiting
in the wings saying, thank you.
1068
01:00:43,760 --> 01:00:46,600
The silver lining of Covid
is it's brought people together
1069
01:00:46,640 --> 01:00:50,400
who historically,
even five months ago,
1070
01:00:50,440 --> 01:00:52,280
would never be talking
to each other.
1071
01:00:53,480 --> 01:00:57,240
Despite the clamp-down by some major
social media platforms,
1072
01:00:57,280 --> 01:01:00,280
the anti-vaxxers claim
they're winning.
1073
01:01:00,320 --> 01:01:03,280
They're moving to other platforms
and onto the streets.
1074
01:01:04,880 --> 01:01:08,160
Here, the movement's work
is done by committed foot soldiers,
1075
01:01:08,200 --> 01:01:09,800
like the rap artist Remeece,
1076
01:01:09,840 --> 01:01:13,200
whose music has become
the anthem for anti-vaccination.
1077
01:01:14,440 --> 01:01:16,640
# Brutha, brutha,
don't take the vaccine
1078
01:01:16,680 --> 01:01:19,160
# Sista, sista,
don't take the vaccine
1079
01:01:19,200 --> 01:01:21,640
# Don't take the vaccine
Don't take the vaccine... #
1080
01:01:23,520 --> 01:01:27,480
Really catchy video with Remeece,
Footsoldiers. Yes.
1081
01:01:27,520 --> 01:01:28,600
How does it go?
1082
01:01:28,640 --> 01:01:31,800
# We don't want your vaccine,
your vaccine
1083
01:01:31,840 --> 01:01:34,960
# Stick your mask up your
ass cheeks... #
1084
01:01:35,000 --> 01:01:37,880
What we haven't seen coming with
this movement is the scale
1085
01:01:37,920 --> 01:01:39,880
and success of recruitment.
1086
01:01:39,920 --> 01:01:44,960
It's won over people in unexpected
places, forming unlikely alliances,
1087
01:01:45,000 --> 01:01:48,600
perhaps because its rallying call
is, don't be taken for a fool.
1088
01:01:50,320 --> 01:01:51,760
And they've broaden their reach,
1089
01:01:51,800 --> 01:01:56,160
now they're targeting anyone who is
feeling marginalised or let down.
1090
01:01:56,200 --> 01:01:59,880
And the largest group among them,
black and minority ethnic people.
1091
01:02:03,520 --> 01:02:05,040
I know a lot of families
1092
01:02:05,080 --> 01:02:07,360
that are not going
to be taking up the vaccine.
1093
01:02:10,280 --> 01:02:13,360
Are you surprised by the stat that
one in three black adults
1094
01:02:13,400 --> 01:02:16,080
are considering not taking
the vaccine?
1095
01:02:16,120 --> 01:02:17,280
No.
1096
01:02:17,320 --> 01:02:21,600
I'm not, I'm sadly not surprised,
because of the amount
1097
01:02:21,640 --> 01:02:26,160
of distrust that black people
have of the government.
1098
01:02:26,200 --> 01:02:30,240
The conspiracy theorists
and anti-vaxxers will just...
1099
01:02:30,280 --> 01:02:33,480
I think if there's the slightest
doubt or mistrust
1100
01:02:33,520 --> 01:02:36,880
or the slightest fear or worry,
that's when they get in.
1101
01:02:40,200 --> 01:02:44,640
In America, Wakefield's ally Robert
Kennedy Jr is going a step further.
1102
01:02:44,680 --> 01:02:47,600
As the nephew of a president and son
of Bobby, hero to the
1103
01:02:47,640 --> 01:02:52,280
civil rights movement, Kennedy is
using his handed-down hero status
1104
01:02:52,320 --> 01:02:55,400
to appeal directly to black
people with a new film.
1105
01:03:00,000 --> 01:03:03,320
Medical Racism: The New Apartheid
implies that Covid vaccines
1106
01:03:03,360 --> 01:03:06,640
are a cover to conduct
experiments on black people.
1107
01:03:15,680 --> 01:03:19,440
This is a classic example of them
going after segments within
1108
01:03:19,480 --> 01:03:23,200
the population because it's a market
opportunity for them.
1109
01:03:24,480 --> 01:03:28,440
There is actually a higher level
of vaccine hesitancy in the black
1110
01:03:28,480 --> 01:03:32,960
community, that's driven by a number
of factors but one of which is that
1111
01:03:33,000 --> 01:03:36,040
there is specific misinformation
being targeted at them.
1112
01:03:37,400 --> 01:03:40,440
The anti-vax movement is riding
a wave of populism,
1113
01:03:40,480 --> 01:03:43,240
where people can
choose their own facts.
1114
01:03:43,280 --> 01:03:46,800
Now it's political,
they're preaching a new world order,
1115
01:03:46,840 --> 01:03:51,080
an outright rejection of science,
experts and established authority.
1116
01:03:54,640 --> 01:03:57,200
WAKEFIELD: I got a call from my
mother the other day and she said,
1117
01:03:57,240 --> 01:03:59,400
the national news said last night on
television that
1118
01:03:59,440 --> 01:04:02,040
you're coming to England
to address in anti-vaccine rally.
1119
01:04:02,080 --> 01:04:05,240
You know, this is all over
the world, people are rising up.
1120
01:04:08,240 --> 01:04:09,440
Because of the vaccines,
1121
01:04:09,480 --> 01:04:14,720
half of the population are going
to be injured or die.
1122
01:04:14,760 --> 01:04:18,040
If people stand up, we can
stop them, but if we don't stand up,
1123
01:04:18,080 --> 01:04:22,040
this is going to be the end
of the human race as we know it.
1124
01:04:23,160 --> 01:04:26,160
People are coming round now to
seeing the truth, and once that
1125
01:04:26,200 --> 01:04:30,680
happens, it happens en masse and it
gains momentum and it's unstoppable.
1126
01:04:30,720 --> 01:04:33,280
# Don't take the vaccine
Don't take the vaccine
1127
01:04:33,320 --> 01:04:36,040
# Mama, Mama, don't take the vaccine
1128
01:04:36,080 --> 01:04:39,200
# Papa, don't take the vaccine
Don't take the vaccine... #
1129
01:04:41,560 --> 01:04:44,840
In Trafalgar Square,
tens of thousands of people gather
1130
01:04:44,880 --> 01:04:48,200
for the star guest, whose
voice is beamed in from the States.
1131
01:04:49,440 --> 01:04:53,080
He is an absolute God,
ladies and gentlemen,
1132
01:04:53,120 --> 01:04:55,520
I give you Dr Andrew Wakefield!
CHEERING
1133
01:04:55,560 --> 01:05:00,520
It feel so good to be with
you again.
1134
01:05:00,560 --> 01:05:05,720
My family motto is nil desperandum,
never despair.
1135
01:05:05,760 --> 01:05:08,480
Despair is a state of inertia,
of panic.
1136
01:05:08,520 --> 01:05:12,040
That is not the people of England.
1137
01:05:12,080 --> 01:05:16,520
This particular coronavirus had
its origins at the hands
1138
01:05:16,560 --> 01:05:20,360
of scientists, it was made by man.
1139
01:05:20,400 --> 01:05:24,160
They must stop taking our
freedoms from us.
1140
01:05:24,200 --> 01:05:25,880
I stand with you.
1141
01:05:25,920 --> 01:05:27,840
Go well, my friends.
1142
01:05:27,880 --> 01:05:30,040
Dr Andrew Wakefield!
1143
01:05:32,640 --> 01:05:36,040
I think Andrew Wakefield sees
himself as an international hero.
1144
01:05:37,200 --> 01:05:40,960
CHUCKLING: Thank you,
I love you too.
1145
01:05:42,600 --> 01:05:44,880
An historic figure,
almost a religious figure.
1146
01:05:46,520 --> 01:05:47,920
It's Messiah-like.
1147
01:05:49,000 --> 01:05:53,400
I think the real danger is that
we have underestimated the anti-vax
1148
01:05:53,440 --> 01:05:57,840
movement, its scale, the compelling
nature of its narrative,
1149
01:05:57,880 --> 01:06:00,320
the vested interests that are
driving it,
1150
01:06:00,360 --> 01:06:02,040
the money that's driving it.
1151
01:06:02,080 --> 01:06:03,560
We have to raise our game.
1152
01:06:06,800 --> 01:06:10,120
Today, in 79 out of 117
countries surveyed,
1153
01:06:10,160 --> 01:06:13,920
over a third of people say
they may not take the vaccine.
1154
01:06:13,960 --> 01:06:18,640
And if that plays out, the global
vaccine roll-out will fail.
1155
01:06:18,680 --> 01:06:21,840
We're up against a really
organised, ruthless,
1156
01:06:21,880 --> 01:06:23,920
evil anti-vax industry.
1157
01:06:25,640 --> 01:06:28,800
And the one who lit the touch paper
of this modern movement,
1158
01:06:28,840 --> 01:06:31,800
who's led this march through
telling people
1159
01:06:31,840 --> 01:06:35,760
not to be fooled by
this conspiracy against them?
1160
01:06:35,800 --> 01:06:40,160
Science should have prevailed,
it was a lie all along.
1161
01:06:40,200 --> 01:06:43,440
But whether it's down to timing
or personality,
1162
01:06:43,480 --> 01:06:48,160
he got away with it and, in the end,
makes fools of all us.
1163
01:06:48,200 --> 01:06:50,440
He's already onto his next
grandiose claim,
1164
01:06:50,480 --> 01:06:54,400
that vaccines, which have all
but seen off diseases like polio
1165
01:06:54,440 --> 01:06:59,040
and smallpox, now jeopardise the
very survival of the human race.
1166
01:06:59,080 --> 01:07:02,320
This is what extinction looks like,
and it's entirely man-made.
1167
01:07:03,840 --> 01:07:06,680
There are a lot of fraudsters
in science and in medicine.
1168
01:07:06,720 --> 01:07:10,800
What sets this fraud apart
is the scale of the consequences
1169
01:07:10,840 --> 01:07:14,160
and the impact on the public's
health globally.
1170
01:07:14,200 --> 01:07:17,080
Science did bring us
out of the age of darkness
1171
01:07:17,120 --> 01:07:19,600
into the age of enlightenment.
1172
01:07:19,640 --> 01:07:21,960
We shouldn't be
so quick to throw it away.
1173
01:07:49,880 --> 01:07:52,760
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