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I'm gonna get you mic'd up and then
I will text, Ash to...
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...so we can go in the door,
he'll let us in from the inside so...
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Oh it's Ray, hello Ray
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How you doing man?
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Wow
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Taken care of...
taken care of... bless you
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Oh yeah, I was Detective Banks
Detective Banks!
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Yes I brought that little guy back to
his family after eight years missing
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Good, good, I'll let you do your thing...
Hey folks
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All right you're good to button that up
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Joey Cramer...
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Randal had called me one day and said "did
you hear about Joey?" and I said "No I hadn't"
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I wondered always what had happened to him
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Someone had
sent me a link about Joey being arrested
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Like you're kidding me? What
was it a bank robbery or something?
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I was startled, really startled
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Joe seemed like a totally normal kid
when I worked with him
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I didn't see any sign that
there was any problems
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I was kind of surprised when I saw his mug
shot and thought "what happened to him?"
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I didn't know how early he had
started drugs until much later
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It's not just a story about a kid
actor that goes to jail, it's about...
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...what happened?
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I think acting as a child is wonderful,
though I think it's really important not to
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turn it into their only identity
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When I tried to go back to school and
be normal, I was anything but normal
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and before I knew it my childhood was gone
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so
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Hi, it's getting close to Christmas
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21st today, so it's the winter solstice,
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which, I was told by a good friend of mine,
it's good to
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to pray and meditate and stuff on what
we want to manifest for the next year
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and our lives and everything so did a lot
of that last night
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Sometimes it's really hard
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because I think...
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Sometimes I think "Oh I'm 44 now and I like
totally thrown my whole life away and..."
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"...what if this, and what
if that, what if this?" but
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oh man
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I don't really know what to say
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Up until this last time every time I went to
jail yeah I... I pretty much knew I'd be back
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They don't make it easy
to come out and succeed
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It's just this cycle, I was here with
guys who'd been in and out of jail for
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most of their lives
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We're gonna go I guess around the corner,
and I haven't been back here since that
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infamous day
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I just started feeling more and more
hopeless, so I started looking up crimes
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I felt like I...
that I let a lot of people down
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and that I, um...
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and that that's not me.
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I like these electronic clap boards..
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"Flight of the Navigator" was a really
interesting project
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from the point of view of how it began
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My partner Robby Wald and I
found the original script, it was
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written by someone who'd never written
a script before
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"Flight of the Navigator" was my first
original screenplay, and it was called
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"Vanished"...
it came from a dream
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We took it to Disney - Richard Berger
was the president of Disney at that time,
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he took the
project to the board of directors actually,
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very unusual step and he got the board to approve
picking up the domestic distribution rights
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They had made a partnership
with Producers Sales Organization,
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which was an action company... Disney
wanted to make a family movie so I was
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caught in the middle, you know I
was back and forth and back and
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of course Disney won because they they were
more powerful
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It was the Disney of Jeff Katzenberg, they
only owned the movie for the US rights...
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They had a great deal of
control over the process
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Most of the elements that I had in my film were in
the final film, but it's the changes that really
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make it different
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It was more of a serious film, in my story
they build the ship from his memory so
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they're experimenting with technology that
they don't understand but David does
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and it gets to a point where he realizes
they're never going to let him go
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John Avildsen was attached at one point...
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Brian de Palma wanted to direct
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finally Randal became director
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I originally wanted to be a
cartoonist for Walt Disney
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I made some cartoons in junior high school
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Our family drove out to California
and tried to show it to Walt Disney but
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we were turned away at the gate
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So I gave up cartoons and I decided to do live
action, and then in high school I made lots of
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8mm films, applied to USC film school,
and at that time it was not thought of
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as a serious major
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So I came out to California from Philadelphia,
had a wonderful group of classmates
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including George Lucas, Caleb Deschanel,
John Carpenter, it was quite a class
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We were all told that we would never be able
to get into the movie business because no one
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had at that point
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The studio system was in place
and they were making movies like
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Doris Day, Rock Hudson movies
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The industry was a closed industry,
you had to be related to someone or
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have contacts of some kind to get any
kind of a job but
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the tide changed, the industry changed, the
viewing habits of the public changed,
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and suddenly people who were our age were going
to movies made by people their own age: Us
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I started doing TV movies and then moved
on to "Grease", and
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"Blue Lagoon" and "White Fang", and then
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"Flight of the Navigator"
came along at Disney
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There I was back at Disney where I was
turned away many years ago, as a
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13-year old with a little
can of animated film
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Hi, my name is Chris O'Donnell and
I'm from Stuartown
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"Is this thing gonna leak?" "Navigator,
I do not leak, you leak, remember?"
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"You know something?
I don't think I like you"
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One of the biggest aspects of
the movie was the casting of the kid
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We had had casting people in New York,
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we had casting people in LA,
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we had casting people I believe in Chicago
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We saw hundreds of boys one
of them was Joaquin Phoenix
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We saw everybody that was eligible
at that time
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When I was working with Mike
Fenton and Jane Feinberg, which was
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the top casting directors in town
at that time, they had done "E.T",
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"Back to the Futures", "Indiana Jones"... we even
put River Phoenix in one of the Indiana Jones
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They didn't want children that were trained,
they wanted somebody who kind of walked in the
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door and was natural
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So it was important
for them to find an organic experience
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- I didn't say under the ocean..all I...
- Let's start again okay, all set?
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- Ready?
- Caged animal and action!
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I didn't say take us under the ocean,
all I asked for was a
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place they couldn't find us
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I was hoping they would get a good kid,
'cos it all depended on him
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You know something?
I don't think I like you
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All right, so I first got into acting and
interested when I was about 8 years old
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My mom worked at UBC,
the university in Vancouver
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in the theater department
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The head of the department was doing
the musical South Pacific
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so he asked if Joe would do it
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People thought he was adorable, and he was,
he's adorable. I mean he was adorable!
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People kept saying to me
"Oh you want to get him in the movies!"
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I wanted nothing to do with it because
I didn't want to be a stage mother
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I had none of that in me at all
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But my friend said "Well you know, you
could get a head shot and see what happens"
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Sure enough he started getting commercials
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The next thing was an audition for a
movie with Tom Selleck
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and before we even got
home he'd got that one
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Once "Runaway" came out, he was seen
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We got a call from Jeff Katzenberg in fact, and
he said "Well I have some tapes of some kids..."
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...I'd like you to look at them"
and Joey was in the group
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So, I got the audition,
they flew me to California
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That was a big deal, they flew us
to Los Angeles and we stayed in a
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motel on Franklin Avenue, and
Randal just talked to Joe
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and I started to talk a little bit and
Randal said "no no, just let him talk"
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My feeling is that once he met Joe
it was hands down
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He was very very personable, and I could
feel that I connected with him as a person
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When he did the crying scene that's what made
me realize this is a guy because he was so
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emotionally available, so easily triggered to cry
and that was an important part of this character
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and sometimes when you're working with kids it's
hard to get that out of them but with him you just
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turn it on and bam it's there and you
get it on the first take
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When I'm sitting in a room, and
I'm watching one actor after another
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do the same dialogue and the same scenes
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and there's somebody that walks in that room, that
gets you to forget that you're even in that room
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you know you've got something special
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I didn't have reservations
about Joe being a child actor because
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I didn't think of it in that way
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We weren't in it for
the money or anything except the adventure
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I mean, not every
little kid gets to do that
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My first impressions of Joey,
working with Joey was "Ugh..."
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"...he's so much better
than I am as an actor"
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His emotional life seemed to be real
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When you think about it, Joey is in almost
every frame of that movie
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and so you've got to carry a film
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at his age, that's a
daunting responsibility
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What was so interesting about Joey is, '
cos I'd worked with child actors before...
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having been a child actor myself
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He was very accessible to his emotions,
he was that boy
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He was darling, he was just darling.
What was he, 12?
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I had been driven out to the set to sort of
meet everybody and it was very very pink and
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this beautiful sunset that only happens in
that latitude and there were these tiny just
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thousands of these tiny puffy puffy white clouds,
and Randal pointed at the sky and he was like
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"that's why we're shooting in Florida"
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We talked about filming the movie in
a lot of different places
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We started out thinking we could do it
up in like Salt Lake City
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and then the weather started to get
bad, and we kept being boxed out of places
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where we could do the project
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Ultimately Florida seemed to be the only place
where you actually had white puffy clouds
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and blue skies. We were based in Fort
Lauderdale and that's where we shot the movie
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Going on, on a location to shoot a
movie was my favourite thing to do
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As a little kid, I think big picture was
I'm excited I don't have to be in school
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Being the first major role that I had,
I remember thinking
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"Wow, there's a lot of down time", so
we did get to spend a lot of time together
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We just all had such a great time
on the movie, it was terrific
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So I was cast to play
the young girl who, um...
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David had a crush on
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and I was riding my bike, I had to say "hi
David" in a way that was a little bit flirty
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"Hi David"..."hi Jennifer"
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The funniest thing that I really remember
is, I wasn't actually riding down the street
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This one guy, his job was to push me out
on the bike from behind the tree
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I was just sitting there waiting on the bike, and
I must have been pushed out from behind that bush
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I mean probably 300 times
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There's really not much more to it other
than he kind of gets busted looking at me
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so, there's some of that father-son
interaction, which is kind of cute
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Well the first challenge was
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there's a first scene where there's a Frisbee
throwing contest and when the dogs are jumping
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It's Miami, it's sunny, I was a somewhat chubby
little kid and sitting there on his shoulders
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This took all day... my shoulders ached for a
couple of days, I said "damn is he heavy or what?"
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I didn't tell Jeff, I didn't want to
upset him, but later I said
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"Let's not have any more kid on the
shoulders scenes, please"
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The scene when I'm trying to signal Joey
back to the house was probably the most
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viscerally memorable scene for me just in
terms of the action sequence of doing that
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Going up on the roof was pretty scary
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It was very windy, I can't even believe
they let me do it actually
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I don't think they
would let some... an actor do that nowadays
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- Can you see him yet?
- Not yet
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In all honesty, things went so smoothly for me
the challenge that I had was believing everything
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which was very easy, because the
environment was created and it was so real
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I mean, we believed we
were in that police station
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You know, when we
get into the car it's real
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and then the... the moment which even when
I think of it now it affects me emotionally
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is bringing him to the door of his house to meet
his parents for the first time in eight years
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It was like a very, very vulnerable
and powerful moment
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and I was so glad to be a part of
something like that
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One of the things that always amazed me was the
very beginning, when David falls into the crevasse
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where that was done, which was
down in Miami, they turned a somewhat
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jungle location during
the middle of the day
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into a scary evening scene with fog
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Little known fact, there's the one scene where
he walks across the train tracks, David, and he
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throws a stone - that's
not me, that's a stand-in
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My stand-in was a wonderful
woman named Rosie
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Chronologically the opening scene was not
filmed first
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I'm wondering what the first scene was?
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I think it was actually when uh, they
pull up home from the Frisbee competition
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and funny enough on the radio...
"You're The One That I Want"
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The movie takes place in 1978, and when
they're driving up to the house I thought
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it'd be fun to put "You're The One That I Want"
on the radio 'cos it was just a little nod
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to a movie I did before this
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Randal had one of the first
cell phones I'd ever seen
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That was about the size of a WWII
American army walkie-talkie
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I mean it was huge
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and I would see him between takes
talking on this thing
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- "What is that?"
- "It's a cell phone"... I thought
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You must be in contact with NASA
through this thing
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I just remember him being
very open to improvisation
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The beginning of the film,
jumped out of the car and there was
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"Weasel, dork...
buttface, scuzzbucket..."
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And that was Randal just saying
"Hey, what would you guys say?"
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During the very beginning in the
back of the car and
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"You little dehydrated pizza
face!"
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That was my line as well, Randal was like
"what would you call your little brother?"
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So I had a fat lip in that scene,
which you can kind of see
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I can't remember exactly what happened...
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I vividly remember, the sidewalk that
I ride the bike down,
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there's a shrubbery before you see me come out,
and right on the other side of the shrubbery
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Joey and I were on skateboards
crashing into each other
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I think by accident like my skateboard
popped up and smacked him in the mouth
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and it was like panic on set
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Ever since I saw the opening of the red sea
in "The Ten Commandments"
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I wanted to do some special effects
because that affected me so much
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That's when I started looking around
for a way to make this movie different
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make the spaceship different,
something we haven't seen before
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...so I went to my brother Jeff
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We've worked on films since his high school
films, you know I was an actor in his first film
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At the time in 1985, I was about
seven years into
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a first company that I founded in New York
doing computer animation,
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we had worked on "Tron" before that,
the company was called Digital Effects
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I was hanging out with Jeff and saw this Tide
bottle that he was doing for a commercial
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and it changed shape
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Smoothly morphing it into a map of
the United States
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and I thought "wow, I've never
seen that before"
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He's talked about how he wanted the spaceship
to start out to have a certain configuration
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when it's hovering and moving
slowly and then when it goes faster it
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elongates and changes into a more
aerodynamic vehicle
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To my knowledge "Flight of the Navigator"
was the first time that
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reflection mapping was
used in a feature film
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At the back of a book called "Special
Effects" was a picture of a chrome dog
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which was a computer
generated form that they
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took the background and mapped it onto it,
it's called 'reflectance mapping'
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The last chapter said "This is the future", and I
thought "Okay if that's the future, let's use it"
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If the ship was flying say over the
water, we needed to have every frame
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that was reflecting off
the ship slightly different
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We'd get a helicopter, we'd shoot the sky and
the surroundings and form those into kind of a...
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an image sphere, that we could mathematically
put around the spaceship and reflect
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that imagery off of it so the spaceship would
look like it was reflecting the environment
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I remember how excited people were,
and how excited Randal was when he was
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seeing the spaceship like flying over the
water and the reflection on the money
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it was like groundbreaking
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I talked with Jim Cameron later and he said
that the "Flight of the Navigator" spaceship
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was his inspiration for
the chrome terminator
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When he saw that he said
"ah, I can do that on Terminator"
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It was the beginning of a whole new era in
visual effects photography
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In those days whenever you did
an optical shot, a special effects shot,
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it cost about $30,000, so I wanted to
come up with ways to
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save that money and have more shots,
so we hired Doug Henning to come in...
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"What can we do using stage magic to do some of
these effects so that it won't be so expensive?"
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When the boy walks up the steps into
the spaceship that was an in-camera effect
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where we built those steps with
steel rods going away from the camera
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so you couldn't see them, so that Joe could walk
on the steps and they would give a little bit
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he couldn't really do that with special effects,
it was in camera and it looked really great
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When they land in Florida, the kids
push on it too and it bounces a little bit,
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people wonder how it was done,
and the other thing he helped us with was
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the spaceship the way
it floated in some scenes
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Well, on the gas station
we had the full-size ship
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We shot at Burt Reynolds ranch. We didn't
meet Burt Reynolds but the ranch was cool
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It was on like a tow truck that held it
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There's a crane that went right into the side of
it, so it looks like it's floating but it's really
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suspended from the side
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The only thing then, that had to be erased,
was the arm that was holding the ship out
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Same thing with - the ship comes out of
a hangar, well
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the ship was this size, the only difference
was a perspective shift
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so that we had a real building with
two doors... the ship was on a little pole
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and the pole came out - one door was real,
the other door was a miniature door
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and we just had the ship coming out behind
the door, and it looked like the ship was
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200 feet away, and over a bunch of
people, even though it was only this big
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an old trick that old movie makers knew
how to do, but today
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nobody knows how to do anymore
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The idea of the spaceship being mirrored on the
outside, I wanted to do that on the inside too and
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everyone said "you're crazy!".
I said "well, if it's difficult...
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...that's why no one's done it before"
So we did it
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We used this new Mylar material,
where you could put lights behind it
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that would shine through, but
they were all practical effects
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that you were actually shooting in-camera
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and then when you shine light from the
inside out, it was clear
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and this is pretty unusual,
this had not been done before
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I never saw the ship when I was working.
When I finally saw the ship...
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...that was fantastic
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The ship design was done by a
young artist named Ed Eyth, who I ran into
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sitting in the lobby of a VFX house with
his book, he just graduated from Cal Arts,
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and I said to him "Hey, hi how are you? What's
that?" and he said "I'm interviewing for a job here"
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so he showed me his stuff it was fantastic,
so I hired him right away and he...
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he became the main designer of the ship
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We talked about the spaceship, Randal was
very open to ideas,
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he just said he wanted to be chrome
on the inside, and chrome on the outside
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the shape could be anything, the
only other constraint was, and this is
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really a common catch phrase in Hollywood,
is they wanted something that had
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never been seen before, and the fact that it was
going to be chrome would make it unique enough
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I did a page or two of sketches, actually
five or six pages of sketches of thumbnails,
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just little studies to explore different
shapes and different configurations for this
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It's my favourite part of
the process you're just
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coming up with ideas, it's the "what if?" part of
the process - "what if it looked like this?" and
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"what if it was shaped like this?"
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Went in, met with Randal again, showed him
the drawings and he said "yeah, these..."
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There's a lot here, I just need some
time to think about it" so
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I called back in met with Randal again
a few days later and he said "Okay..."
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"I showed these to Spielberg..." and I said
"Wait a minute, you showed these to who?"
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And I just couldn't believe it, that the
first sketches I put a marker to paper on
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went, you know, to Randal and
then they went to Steven Spielberg
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Started sketching more... at some
point we decided okay, with the spaceship
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maybe it's going to be, since it's chrome, why don't
we just make it like a blob of mercury so it can
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change shapes, which makes it even more
innovative, and more never been seen before, so
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I had to design these variations on the shape
of the ship and I decided if it was rounded
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in it's stationary form, then maybe when it takes
off and goes faster it gets more aerodynamic
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and then at some point I realized if this is
mercury, we should do something with the door
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Instead of just having a door open, or a door
on hinges, I thought wouldn't be great if just
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part of the wall the ship just sort of
melted down and became these stairs
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that he could walk up to get into the ship
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One of my most favourite
scenes inside the spaceship,
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that I really am proud of
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So when we're driving in the desert, and all
of a sudden that... the red mustang pulls up
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and we're kind of following it, like
"oh what?" and uh... and David goes
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"I wonder if that's that Twisted
Sister stuff Carolyn was talking about?"
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I actually made that line up
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Before that it was just a big long
gap, we were kind of following and stuff
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and I said "Hey Randal, what if I said hey is that
that Twisted Sister stuff?" and he said cool great
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I was auditioning for two different roles, believe
it or not. I was auditioning for Jennifer Bradley,
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and for Carolyn, but young Carolyn and
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in the script there was a...
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there was a portion of the movie at the end
that was young Carolyn when he comes back,
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so I auditioned for both roles, and I
specifically remember
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I was in a McDonald's for the young Carolyn
role like, that's... that was my setting
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I think maybe three months went by
after the audition
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when we got the call that I
actually got the part of Jennifer Bradley,
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and at the time I didn't know that young
Carolyn was not going to be in the film
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I did find that out once we got on set
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Those are the closest memories that
come to me about the film
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was spending time with Sarah Jessica Parker
who just knocked me out as a human being
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(laughs) That grin... oh it was...
it was awesome
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I remember her having a hard time because they
had to light up that piece of purple hair,
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...couldn't quite get it right so that
was probably the most difficult part
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Then there's that scene where she's like
"You know, you're cute..."
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"...did a girl ever tell you that before?"
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"Nobody but my mom,
but I don't think she counts"
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and I've just got this look on my face...
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Oh wow, yeah... yeah... it was... uh...
it was fun
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One day, Randal came over to me and he said
"I've been trying to cast a doctor in the movie"
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So I said "Okay, well... so?"
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And he said "Well, all the doctors
here, they all look like pharmacists..."
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"...but you look like a doctor"
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Howard Hesseman and I have to tell
the parents what we know about the child
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It's outside the hospital
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"This hospital is not prepared to offer,
am I correct doctor?"
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My family had always wanted me to be a
doctor all my life so
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When I finally came out in the
movie I told my mother, I said "Well..."
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"...you finally get to see me as a doctor"
This is a... this was an important moment
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"Could I see you outside
for a few minutes, please?"
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It was the hospital scenes that were
the crux of my story about me and David
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I first come back and, you know,
"What happened to you mom? You too dad?"
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- "Where have you been all this time?"
- "All this time?"
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"All this time?"
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"I just went to get Jeff at the Johnson's
a few hours ago"
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(Stutter) Get Jeff, he'll tell you
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I remember I had to re-dub that,
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and had to do that exact little stutter...
(stutter)
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Over and over till it... till it matched up
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get Jeff he'll tell you
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I was trying to try to...
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...try to just make that
as truthful as possible
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and what would that...
what would that be like?
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I mean, I have an older brother, and what would
it be like if I walked into a hospital and saw him
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as now my young... I mean, it's a
very hard thing to try to... you can't...
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You just have to accept that this is the reality
that we're in, and I'm just gonna be his brother
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and play this scene, and that's really
what I tried to do, and when I say that
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I realized immediately how much
of a better actor Joey was than me,
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he was so connected
to that sense of being lost
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What could have possibly happened
to lead us to this moment, where I'm
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looking at my younger, older brother.
It would be so shocking
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"Buttface"
"Scuzzbucket" (laughs)
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After "Flight of the Navigator" he was
very much sought after, Disney wanted him
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I remember being very reticent to do that
because the Brat Pack in Hollywood at that
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time, were having all kinds of problems
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That was what was really holding me back
from pushing him,
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we would have had to move to Los Angeles
and our home was here
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But I'm not sorry that we didn't,
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'cos Joe got in trouble anyway
(laughs)
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It's uh...
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Yeah, it's all I could ask for is to
just ugh, still be connected
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connection heals shame...
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right, that vulnerability, that uh...
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...true spark of life by
being vulnerable, by
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connecting to people, by risking
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creates these pathways for beautiful things
to grow and to
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blossom
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As scary as it is to change,
being stagnant is so much worse for me
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My mom moved up from southern California in the
60s, and then in the early 70s she bought a farm
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We called it Sleepy
Hollow. It was 75 acres.
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Mostly what was on it was shacks,
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but one of them was a quite well-built
chicken house
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I went inside, took it all apart, I built a
floor in the bottom of it, I painted it all...
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and we put a loft in the top, with a
bed up there, and a little tiny stove
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and that's where Joe was born
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My full name...(laughs)
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My full name is
Delirious Joe August Fisher Cramer
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My dad, Gary Steven Cramer...
he wanted to name me "Yes"
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and Gary's mother said "You can't
call him 'Yes', every time somebody says
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'Yes' he'll be turning his head around"
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One of his pseudonyms for poetry
and songwriting was 'Delirious Manch'
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I mean, this is all very complicated
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My mom said "Well how about Delirious?" then
they said "Well, isn't that crazy or delusional?"
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I looked up the word
'delirious' in the dictionary,
431
00:32:27,046 --> 00:32:31,348
it said "wild with excitement or joy"
432
00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:38,110
So I decided to spell
Delirious "d-e-I-e-r-i-y-e-s"
433
00:32:38,162 --> 00:32:40,408
So we got the 'yes' in there
434
00:32:40,460 --> 00:32:46,222
Gary's grandfather, during the time that
I was pregnant, he said
435
00:32:46,275 --> 00:32:51,285
"His name's going to be Joe", he said it
like that, "His name's going to be Joe..."
436
00:32:51,337 --> 00:32:56,392
"...it's going to be a boy and his name is
Joe" Then, he was going to be born in August,
437
00:32:56,444 --> 00:32:59,659
so now it's Delirious Joe August
438
00:32:59,711 --> 00:33:04,484
Fisher, 'cos that's my name and
we weren't married, and Cramer
439
00:33:05,235 --> 00:33:11,712
So, we got five names out of it...
it's very hippy ...very hippy (laughs)
440
00:33:11,764 --> 00:33:20,105
It was 1972 and it was the beginning of when
women decided to have kids on their own.
441
00:33:20,618 --> 00:33:23,201
I just decided I wanted to have a kid
442
00:33:23,253 --> 00:33:28,471
I asked one guy and he said
"No, I've already got one..."
443
00:33:28,523 --> 00:33:32,711
So he told his friend, which was Gary
444
00:33:32,763 --> 00:33:34,969
and Gary said "Yeah, I'll do it!"
445
00:33:35,021 --> 00:33:38,791
He really wasn't involved in at all
446
00:33:38,843 --> 00:33:41,803
I never understood why he didn't want
to be around
447
00:33:41,855 --> 00:33:46,354
He was about 20 when he had me... 21.
My mom was 31
448
00:33:46,407 --> 00:33:51,806
I remember him coming for some birthdays,
up until the age of ten maybe?
449
00:33:51,858 --> 00:33:54,715
And then he pretty much disappeared
450
00:33:54,767 --> 00:33:58,573
I started seeing a psychiatrist
when I was younger,
451
00:33:59,310 --> 00:34:01,611
but I remember feeling
452
00:34:03,377 --> 00:34:04,229
dark
453
00:34:04,956 --> 00:34:10,224
Something I've learned, is that
kids who grow up without a parent,
454
00:34:10,276 --> 00:34:16,629
but especially without a father figure,
tend to steal at young ages
455
00:34:16,681 --> 00:34:21,626
He stole a bunch of smurfs at
the department store at the Bay
456
00:34:21,678 --> 00:34:25,607
I remember being in the aisle, and
filling my pockets... well I went home
457
00:34:25,659 --> 00:34:30,600
and I filled my stocking up, and I
thought "Yeah, Santa will come tomorrow..."
458
00:34:30,904 --> 00:34:34,775
"...and my mom will never know" so,
that's how young I was
459
00:34:34,827 --> 00:34:38,673
I talked to him and he knew it was wrong
460
00:34:39,246 --> 00:34:44,309
He stole things when he was little.
I never knew what to do about that
461
00:34:44,361 --> 00:34:50,628
When we spoke to Joe he had told us that
even by Navigator, he had started stealing...
462
00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:52,472
Did you ever have any inclination?
463
00:34:52,524 --> 00:34:56,044
Wow, I had no idea
464
00:34:56,096 --> 00:35:00,882
We were just worried about doing the scenes,
and making sure that his Canadian-isms...
465
00:35:00,934 --> 00:35:05,755
Every once in a while there was an "out" and
a "house", and someone had to say "cut"...
466
00:35:05,807 --> 00:35:14,149
So no, I'm sorry, that didn't occur to me...
did he? Was he doing that at that time? Wow
467
00:35:14,986 --> 00:35:21,371
Honestly, I truly believe that, that
all stemmed from my dad not being around
468
00:35:21,955 --> 00:35:26,107
Years later, I'd reached
out to him for some help
469
00:35:26,159 --> 00:35:29,463
Not financially, I just
wanted somebody to talk to
470
00:35:30,130 --> 00:35:32,732
I just wanted some sort of support
471
00:35:32,784 --> 00:35:35,460
I wanted a dad
472
00:35:35,791 --> 00:35:40,922
I don't remember exactly what I said,
what he said to me...
473
00:35:40,974 --> 00:35:44,133
You think you got problems, kid?
474
00:35:44,662 --> 00:35:47,637
I've got 20 years of problems on you
475
00:35:48,034 --> 00:35:51,219
Don't phone me with your problems
476
00:35:51,271 --> 00:35:52,824
You want to know what to do?
477
00:35:52,876 --> 00:35:57,374
Why don't you do us all a favor, and go
jump off a bridge?
478
00:35:57,426 --> 00:36:00,609
Why don't you just go slit your throat
and wrists?
479
00:36:00,661 --> 00:36:04,193
Do us all a favor and kill yourself
480
00:36:08,335 --> 00:36:12,537
Because I'd always been open and
honest with him, and he'd always been
481
00:36:12,589 --> 00:36:20,545
an open and honest little kid, I just assumed
that he would be comfortable talking to me
482
00:36:20,597 --> 00:36:22,902
about anything
483
00:36:22,954 --> 00:36:28,191
I was probably in denial about
a lot of things that he was doing
484
00:36:28,243 --> 00:36:32,563
I didn't know how early he had
started drugs until much later
485
00:36:32,616 --> 00:36:36,553
We'd watched ninja movies and sit around
and smoke weed when we were little, and
486
00:36:36,605 --> 00:36:40,731
I remember us looking for
quarters to go play video games and
487
00:36:40,783 --> 00:36:44,435
came across this bag of... I thought it
was bulk soap
488
00:36:44,487 --> 00:36:46,707
so I took some of the soap
489
00:36:47,624 --> 00:36:52,498
and that was kind of my first
introduction to... to coke
490
00:36:52,550 --> 00:36:55,511
Like yeah, what - 14, 15?
491
00:36:55,842 --> 00:36:58,299
I was really addicted
492
00:36:59,052 --> 00:37:02,734
Probably, I think, right before
Navigator we moved up here
493
00:37:02,786 --> 00:37:07,336
It was like a real transitional house
where we had these wonderful memories and
494
00:37:07,388 --> 00:37:11,011
this wonderful upbringing and
then things changed. I remember
495
00:37:11,063 --> 00:37:15,035
walking the streets
in the rain and drinking
496
00:37:15,087 --> 00:37:19,077
Then I started getting in trouble at school and
I started doing drugs and staying out late, and
497
00:37:19,129 --> 00:37:24,561
I'd sneak out the back window and
go off in the middle of the night, and...
498
00:37:24,613 --> 00:37:26,040
yeah...
499
00:37:26,092 --> 00:37:32,824
Lord Byng was my high school after I finished
Navigator, I didn't really fit in, I was
500
00:37:32,876 --> 00:37:38,050
surprisingly teased for being a conceited
movie star, or like the older guys
501
00:37:38,102 --> 00:37:42,910
would chase me around and throw me
in trash cans and lock me in lockers
502
00:37:42,962 --> 00:37:48,268
You know, I had some friends but to fit in I started
smoking a lot of dope, I started drinking a lot...
503
00:37:49,353 --> 00:37:51,956
I started cutting myself a lot
504
00:37:52,008 --> 00:37:55,302
and burning myself, so that I could feel...
505
00:37:55,355 --> 00:37:56,940
Watch your step
506
00:37:57,444 --> 00:38:03,235
...something besides what I
was feeling inside, which was just
507
00:38:03,534 --> 00:38:05,261
black
508
00:38:05,313 --> 00:38:07,671
There's one scar here
where I used to put out
509
00:38:07,723 --> 00:38:10,383
cigarettes all the time,
there's two of them there
510
00:38:10,435 --> 00:38:18,777
Um, when I was about 29 or 30,
there's a big long scar there which I...
511
00:38:19,952 --> 00:38:23,053
...I cut myself with a
scalpel and, and um...
512
00:38:25,055 --> 00:38:28,550
Yeah, I almost, I mean... I yeah, so...
513
00:38:29,476 --> 00:38:34,023
Um, again I'm here obviously but...
514
00:38:34,076 --> 00:38:37,254
That's a real scar and he turned it into a
515
00:38:37,306 --> 00:38:41,757
right, a scar on the... on this heart
which I thought was really well placed
516
00:38:41,809 --> 00:38:45,941
The way that the scar comes through the
bone of the... of the wing
517
00:38:45,993 --> 00:38:48,299
Yeah, there's some
more scars in there so...
518
00:38:48,351 --> 00:38:53,782
As long as I can remember, I lied and
I stole, and that turned into my identity
519
00:38:53,834 --> 00:38:59,620
From 15 to 18, I was stealing cars.
Lots of cars.
520
00:39:00,083 --> 00:39:03,343
I stole money from my mom all the time
521
00:39:03,608 --> 00:39:09,676
The most stressful things that are coming
to my mind about Joe's teenage years
522
00:39:09,728 --> 00:39:14,915
are remembrances of
not knowing where he was
523
00:39:15,856 --> 00:39:19,140
I suppose he was out of control
524
00:39:19,193 --> 00:39:23,135
I remember Spring Break,
and I didn't sleep for like 13 days
525
00:39:23,187 --> 00:39:27,803
I was doing about seven grams of coke a day
526
00:39:27,855 --> 00:39:32,186
and acid, and I actually
got really heavy into GHB
527
00:39:32,706 --> 00:39:38,659
As far as funding my habit, I
had access to my movie money
528
00:39:38,711 --> 00:39:41,533
He had money because he made the money
529
00:39:41,585 --> 00:39:45,304
I know child stars whose parents
pushed them and
530
00:39:45,356 --> 00:39:48,035
took all their money and
they didn't have anything
531
00:39:48,555 --> 00:39:52,070
So, when he asked me for the money...
532
00:39:53,810 --> 00:39:57,294
...he shouldn't have
had it, I realize that now
533
00:39:57,346 --> 00:40:01,948
There was a 10-year
hiatus when he was sober,
534
00:40:02,236 --> 00:40:06,896
except for drinking,
and that was really good
535
00:40:06,949 --> 00:40:11,225
Virtually my problems, that... that serious
536
00:40:11,495 --> 00:40:16,945
depression and self-hatred and loathing,
seemed to go away
537
00:40:17,673 --> 00:40:22,182
I went to Maple Ridge Treatment Center.
I had a slip while I was there.
538
00:40:22,234 --> 00:40:27,761
I went back in 2008,
and then I went back in 2010
539
00:40:28,026 --> 00:40:30,735
and that's when I had the most success
540
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:35,240
I got out of there and I
had got my own apartment
541
00:40:35,293 --> 00:40:37,751
I got a couple of jobs, I was working
542
00:40:37,803 --> 00:40:42,520
and I think it was like the night of my
Step 12, I'd finished my first set of steps,
543
00:40:42,572 --> 00:40:47,673
and I met a girl on the way home and
that was a huge nightmare
544
00:40:47,938 --> 00:40:50,866
That's when I first got
introduced to heroin
545
00:40:55,431 --> 00:41:00,511
We're hanging out in Gastown, downtown Vancouver
and it's a beautiful old part of the city
546
00:41:00,775 --> 00:41:05,580
It's grown a lot since I've been here, you know,
the old brick roads and stuff like that and...
547
00:41:05,632 --> 00:41:07,377
"Is this the trendy bit of town now?"
548
00:41:07,914 --> 00:41:11,221
It's kind of... kind of
like touristy trendy, right?
549
00:41:11,805 --> 00:41:17,121
Oh, I got just, yeah, fall down drunk
in that place once
550
00:41:17,173 --> 00:41:18,591
The Lamplighter
551
00:41:19,313 --> 00:41:22,093
- Do I have anything in my teeth?
- "No"
552
00:41:22,423 --> 00:41:26,851
- "Over to our tour guide, Joe.
Where are we, Joe?" (laughs)
553
00:41:26,904 --> 00:41:31,947
All right, so we're downtown Gastown
still, and we're on Cambie and Water and
554
00:41:31,999 --> 00:41:38,113
Interesting fact is this is where I did some of
my first extra work on "The NeverEnding Story",
555
00:41:38,165 --> 00:41:40,949
and I ran across this street back here
556
00:41:41,001 --> 00:41:44,730
so in the film, you can see me and
another kid are running across the street
557
00:41:44,782 --> 00:41:46,059
"Hey, it's the weirdo"
558
00:41:46,757 --> 00:41:51,126
I think this used to be a place called Sonar,
where I knew all the bartenders and managers
559
00:41:51,178 --> 00:41:53,395
and I'd always be on the list,
and all the good, like...
560
00:41:53,420 --> 00:41:58,169
and actually I think it used to be
the Town Pump where like, um...
561
00:41:58,566 --> 00:42:03,324
I think maybe even like, well, my dad used to play
a lot, but Pearl Jam played when they were still
562
00:42:03,377 --> 00:42:05,690
when they called themselves Mookie Blaylock
563
00:42:06,551 --> 00:42:10,390
Here's the infamous alley where I
got to do my first stunt double work
564
00:42:10,442 --> 00:42:13,784
and so "The NeverEnding
Story" and, and uh...
565
00:42:14,313 --> 00:42:17,836
and one of the kids
couldn't make it so we...
566
00:42:17,888 --> 00:42:20,822
they asked me if I could, you know, stand
in for him and
567
00:42:20,874 --> 00:42:25,388
the camera was up on a big crane,
and chased us down the alley, and I had to
568
00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:29,032
dive into the big pile of garbage
next to the dumpster where
569
00:42:29,085 --> 00:42:32,000
Falkor is chasing
us down, right, these bullies...
570
00:42:32,052 --> 00:42:37,549
Ah... Falkor... oh my God...
(laughs)
571
00:42:38,976 --> 00:42:44,913
He'd been through several different rehabs,
several different times
572
00:42:44,965 --> 00:42:50,893
and one of the times that he came out and
was feeling so good,
573
00:42:50,945 --> 00:42:57,141
got a hold of some girl who laced his
cigarettes, and that's what got him onto heroin
574
00:42:57,193 --> 00:43:00,654
He didn't like those kinds of drugs at all
575
00:43:00,706 --> 00:43:05,465
I remember him standing saying
"Ugh... I hate this drug..."
576
00:43:05,517 --> 00:43:12,552
You know, just hated it -
because he didn't like being out of control
577
00:43:13,927 --> 00:43:17,562
So every morning I've got to go
to the pharmacy for my methadone
578
00:43:17,614 --> 00:43:19,881
It's to help you get off heroin
579
00:43:19,933 --> 00:43:22,395
It is actually an opiate
580
00:43:22,447 --> 00:43:25,940
Some people they say "Well, if you're on
methadone that you're not really clean..."
581
00:43:25,992 --> 00:43:32,744
Whereas I consider it to be clean because I'm using
a prescription to the right way, and stuff like that
582
00:43:32,796 --> 00:43:35,519
The worst part is the fear of getting sick.
583
00:43:35,571 --> 00:43:41,903
It's something that I always hated because I felt
so powerless over it. It affects your whole body...
584
00:43:41,955 --> 00:43:45,209
You won't die, but you
feel like you're going to.
585
00:43:46,710 --> 00:43:50,724
Once again, he had stolen some
money from my wallet
586
00:43:50,777 --> 00:43:54,468
so when he came home, I confronted
him with that
587
00:43:55,052 --> 00:44:03,393
and I said, you know, "You're gonna have
to leave, I can't live with you like this"
588
00:44:07,317 --> 00:44:10,965
and he was just so amazing
589
00:44:14,306 --> 00:44:16,344
He said...
590
00:44:19,586 --> 00:44:24,786
"I know you're not kicking me out
mom, because you don't love me..."
591
00:44:25,447 --> 00:44:29,684
"I know you're not kicking me out
because you don't love me..."
592
00:44:30,082 --> 00:44:34,174
And he just left
593
00:44:35,679 --> 00:44:38,757
but I knew I had to kick him out
594
00:44:42,251 --> 00:44:45,886
Even though we loved each other...
595
00:44:47,011 --> 00:44:50,133
...I didn't kick him out with hate
596
00:44:51,361 --> 00:44:54,410
I never... I never hated him
597
00:44:59,032 --> 00:45:01,946
I don't remember where he went then
598
00:45:03,203 --> 00:45:06,399
There's only so much a mom can do
599
00:45:09,793 --> 00:45:13,580
So this is one place where I spent a
lot of time where I was living in my car
600
00:45:13,632 --> 00:45:17,156
The morning would come, and those
realizations would come in, and like
601
00:45:17,208 --> 00:45:21,138
"What the hell am I doing?" and "Why
am I here?" and "This can't be my life"
602
00:45:22,723 --> 00:45:26,938
I got into a bunch of crap and...
and screwed up a bunch of my teeth
603
00:45:27,336 --> 00:45:32,662
Some of it I got in some really violent situations,
some got broken, some I just didn't take care of
604
00:45:32,714 --> 00:45:37,464
So for a long time I didn't have any like,
any teeth whatsoever
605
00:45:37,516 --> 00:45:42,779
So I wouldn't get recognised for the
movie for sure, not... not in that state
606
00:45:43,076 --> 00:45:48,196
I couldn't even imagine being
fully on the street with no shelter
607
00:45:48,248 --> 00:45:53,220
Vancouver was really harsh 'cos I didn't have
a car, literally packing a huge bag around
608
00:45:55,324 --> 00:46:03,666
(singing) "Under these bridges religions
are built, but no one pays the tithe..."
609
00:46:08,769 --> 00:46:13,273
"...stretching out the
time only to find..."
610
00:46:15,442 --> 00:46:19,510
"...there ain't much
point in being alive..."
611
00:46:21,114 --> 00:46:24,796
So we're in downtown Vancouver
and I spent some long nights down here
612
00:46:24,848 --> 00:46:27,399
There were some pretty
dark times definitely
613
00:46:27,451 --> 00:46:32,357
But um, there's a with a safe
injection site behind me here where
614
00:46:32,409 --> 00:46:36,272
It's somewhere where you can go to,
you know, to do your drugs and stuff where
615
00:46:36,324 --> 00:46:41,143
you're not on the street, you're not out there
in the elements... not contract diseases...
616
00:46:41,195 --> 00:46:45,642
Make sure that if something happens when
you're doing your drugs, that you don't O.D
617
00:46:46,635 --> 00:46:50,484
When you're in it,
you feel like there's no other way to live
618
00:46:51,311 --> 00:46:57,723
It goes back to wanting to be connected, even
if it's in this, you know, really negative um...
619
00:46:58,652 --> 00:47:01,832
self... self-defeating space, right?
620
00:47:01,884 --> 00:47:07,375
'Cos we're all down here just like, you know,
hurting ourselves and feeling horrible and stuff
621
00:47:07,427 --> 00:47:12,384
but you still want that connection, right? Even if it's
through drug use, you're part of a little community
622
00:47:13,510 --> 00:47:17,285
The thing about whether there's
people down here trying to help people,
623
00:47:17,337 --> 00:47:20,956
you can't really help anyone
unless they... unless they want to
624
00:47:21,008 --> 00:47:24,292
It's a huge process getting into rehabs,
625
00:47:24,344 --> 00:47:28,126
there's waiting lists, you can't
just walk in somewhere and do it
626
00:47:28,178 --> 00:47:29,918
Ah, it's heartbreaking
627
00:47:30,778 --> 00:47:39,120
(singing) "Walking that road, the only bed that I
laid, was still warm with the life that I betrayed..."
628
00:47:43,476 --> 00:47:48,443
"...I've made mistakes
and that I'll admit..."
629
00:47:50,537 --> 00:47:54,982
"...but I've staked
my life to pay for it..."
630
00:47:55,445 --> 00:47:59,092
My girlfriend at the time and I,
we didn't have a car
631
00:47:59,213 --> 00:48:05,000
We slept under the Sky Train, and made us a
little camp with like, cardboard boxes and a
632
00:48:05,052 --> 00:48:09,513
little shopping cart turned over and
she was always really sick in the morning
633
00:48:09,566 --> 00:48:15,048
We thought she was dope sick.
I'd be running out hustling up heroin...
634
00:48:15,100 --> 00:48:16,647
...and it turned out she was pregnant
635
00:48:21,652 --> 00:48:27,509
When we figured that out, we got into a
recovery house and started to try and clean up
636
00:48:27,561 --> 00:48:32,622
When Celecta was born she tested
positive for coke and methadone
637
00:48:33,152 --> 00:48:41,144
I don't believe that she went through any of
the screaming and pain that a lot of babies do
638
00:48:41,196 --> 00:48:43,530
Then we had to figure out what to do
639
00:48:43,860 --> 00:48:49,320
There's no point in me stringing Celecta
along, while I'm going in and out of treatment
640
00:48:49,372 --> 00:48:54,872
and I wanted to get my life together,
so that I could be part of her life then
641
00:48:55,270 --> 00:48:59,523
(singing) "Whoa to give
someone a chance..."
642
00:49:00,607 --> 00:49:04,793
We got the most wonderful foster mother
643
00:49:05,058 --> 00:49:08,296
She's a lucky little girl
644
00:49:09,156 --> 00:49:12,493
She's a really lucky little girl
645
00:49:14,193 --> 00:49:19,874
(singing) "Don't we all deserve love?"
646
00:49:28,635 --> 00:49:34,422
Hi! Okay, so this is the window
to my little room at the VITC
647
00:49:34,474 --> 00:49:39,471
This is where I've been living for six months,
and I'll be here for about another six months
648
00:49:39,523 --> 00:49:43,906
Little nice cozy space, but I
brought a nice rug from home
649
00:49:43,958 --> 00:49:49,900
I've got pictures of my daughter,
and one of my favorite pictures too
650
00:49:50,324 --> 00:49:54,433
is this one, I just love it -
it's my mom and Celecta
651
00:49:54,485 --> 00:49:56,830
and I've got my little happy cat,
652
00:49:57,748 --> 00:50:02,131
it just ugh, was sent from my friend
Anna, she's one of my biggest fans
653
00:50:03,337 --> 00:50:09,874
There's certain things that you're not allowed to
have when you're in jail, like crayon, glitter...
654
00:50:09,927 --> 00:50:17,375
lip gloss, no nail polish because you can transfer
contraband into into the prison through...
655
00:50:17,427 --> 00:50:22,597
...through, I guess through lip
gloss, and crayons and things like that
656
00:50:22,649 --> 00:50:27,487
I was inside 18 months, and then coming
to a small room, it's really taught me to
657
00:50:27,539 --> 00:50:32,329
appreciate just necessities, not... not what I
want to have to make me feel better but that I...
658
00:50:32,381 --> 00:50:35,150
...I have everything that
I need from the inside
659
00:50:35,202 --> 00:50:41,408
I actually started this at Guthrie, and that's
taking a dry erase marker and writing on the mirror,
660
00:50:41,460 --> 00:50:46,943
so I write things like 'I am health',
'I am joy", 'I am love' and
661
00:50:46,995 --> 00:50:49,063
sometimes I like draw... funny, like a
662
00:50:50,050 --> 00:50:52,821
a happy face or with a mustache and
663
00:50:52,873 --> 00:50:57,509
and then I'd like, look at it and "ho ho!" and then
I'd laugh at myself right, stuff like that, you know
664
00:50:57,561 --> 00:51:01,639
"I love you Joe,
I love you, I love you, I love you"
665
00:51:01,969 --> 00:51:06,674
and it feels weird at first, it really
does feel a little weird at first, but...
666
00:51:06,939 --> 00:51:13,691
...although...not but...although the
more we say it, the better it feels and
667
00:51:13,956 --> 00:51:19,769
I think everybody deserves to feel love
from themselves inside, so, yeah...
668
00:51:21,582 --> 00:51:24,091
I think he was lonely sometimes
669
00:51:24,144 --> 00:51:30,756
I knew that if I went with him to the set,
I would be
670
00:51:30,809 --> 00:51:36,919
on him all the time "do this, do this, do this..."
and I didn't want to interfere in that at all
671
00:51:37,184 --> 00:51:42,025
I know that when they went to Norway, they
took a friend
672
00:51:42,077 --> 00:51:45,519
Joe just called, and then it was like
"Yeah, I want you to come to Norway..."
673
00:51:45,571 --> 00:51:47,722
"Oh hang on a sec,
Dad, can I go to Norway?"
674
00:51:47,774 --> 00:51:50,529
I said "Norway?
Why, I mean, are you kidding?"
675
00:51:50,581 --> 00:51:54,958
One of the producers was Producer Sales
Organization, Mark Damon's company, and
676
00:51:55,010 --> 00:51:58,627
they had blocked funds in Norway, they
had to spend the money in Norway, that was
677
00:51:58,679 --> 00:52:00,090
the only way they could get it out
678
00:52:00,115 --> 00:52:03,307
They said "Well, what could you
shoot of this movie in Norway?"
679
00:52:03,359 --> 00:52:07,075
We thought about it, and then said "Well, we
could do all the interiors of the spaceship"
680
00:52:07,127 --> 00:52:12,113
We went directly from Miami to Oslo,
and it was in February
681
00:52:12,165 --> 00:52:17,752
Have you ever tried to buy a parka in
Fort Lauderdale, Florida?
682
00:52:17,804 --> 00:52:22,597
Well, we all arrived at the airport in
Norway, literally in T-shirts and shorts,
683
00:52:22,649 --> 00:52:27,067
and the people in the airport looked at us
like we were all crazy, you know, it's 30 below
684
00:52:27,119 --> 00:52:29,431
While we were there, we were filming
in a warehouse
685
00:52:29,483 --> 00:52:32,918
and then we'd take a bus for an hour
each day in the winter
686
00:52:32,970 --> 00:52:35,884
We would go in in the morning at say,
seven o'clock in the morning,
687
00:52:35,936 --> 00:52:38,013
we'd come out at six
o'clock in the evening,
688
00:52:38,065 --> 00:52:41,776
we never saw daylight
during the week at all.
689
00:52:41,828 --> 00:52:45,783
When we shot the scenes where Joey was flying
the ship, and we were shooting from behind
690
00:52:45,836 --> 00:52:48,950
we used a Norwegian boy who
didn't speak English.
691
00:52:49,002 --> 00:52:54,667
I had to time his movements to the back
projection, so that he would move to the right when
692
00:52:54,720 --> 00:52:59,452
the ship went to the right, and to the left, so it went
right, and then they'd translate it into Norwegian,
693
00:52:59,505 --> 00:53:04,927
and by the time they did, he was left, and so
that was very, very complicated trying to work out
694
00:53:05,190 --> 00:53:07,135
telling the kid which way to move
695
00:53:07,187 --> 00:53:11,539
The set was amazing, I remember
wanting to take it home with me
696
00:53:11,592 --> 00:53:14,658
and like, build it in a
garage or something 'cos
697
00:53:14,710 --> 00:53:18,017
it was basically, the whole inside of the
ship was all real
698
00:53:18,069 --> 00:53:22,484
In the floor, the chair came up -
just popped up out of the ground, and
699
00:53:22,536 --> 00:53:25,654
Max hanging down was on a trolley,
700
00:53:25,706 --> 00:53:28,573
and even in his eye - it lit up
701
00:53:29,042 --> 00:53:34,496
Then the wall, it was right there - they pulled
the front off and there was the setup of all the
702
00:53:34,548 --> 00:53:38,538
little creatures all puppeted from behind
"What are these?"
703
00:53:38,869 --> 00:53:41,002
The uh, creatures which
were just so much fun
704
00:53:41,054 --> 00:53:46,010
I think I did several dozen creatures that
Randal picked out the ones he liked
705
00:53:46,063 --> 00:53:48,096
It was just a wonderful
first film to work on
706
00:53:48,148 --> 00:53:54,484
I was the head puppeteer, I was
the principal manipulator of Max
707
00:53:54,537 --> 00:54:02,709
I was the assistant puppeteer on Max, and
the puppeteer for this guy - the Puckmarin
708
00:54:02,762 --> 00:54:08,790
So, I did his voice and I also helped puppeteer
the creatures in the lab on the spaceship
709
00:54:09,651 --> 00:54:13,702
Funny story, the really
weird little slimy creature...
710
00:54:13,754 --> 00:54:16,705
That was one of my favorite things to work,
I did that...
711
00:54:16,757 --> 00:54:19,541
He's very proud of it
Yes, I'm very proud of it
712
00:54:19,593 --> 00:54:26,214
We covered with Purell hair
lotion, and KY... other lotion
713
00:54:26,266 --> 00:54:29,889
I don't know if I should say this but,
originally it was going to be the sex worm
714
00:54:29,941 --> 00:54:36,397
It was supposed to be a sexual
thing but um, they changed it to a cold
715
00:54:36,449 --> 00:54:38,560
to get it through the Disney group
716
00:54:38,612 --> 00:54:42,189
- "He's got a cold..."
- "Ew, gross"
717
00:54:42,242 --> 00:54:45,400
We had just come off another film
called "Short Circuit"
718
00:54:45,452 --> 00:54:49,723
He did the voice for the robot "Short
Circuit" - "I think the chauffeur did it"
719
00:54:49,775 --> 00:54:52,362
and did the mouth, I did the eyes,
720
00:54:52,414 --> 00:54:57,746
so we had really gotten a lot of training
how to be a robot
721
00:54:57,798 --> 00:55:03,705
It was a small set, and we had
four weeks to really get into this
722
00:55:03,757 --> 00:55:08,924
Tim had more to worry about with the
Puckmarin, which was a brand new character
723
00:55:08,976 --> 00:55:13,261
The Puckmarin, wow, yeah I mean he
was incredible
724
00:55:13,313 --> 00:55:20,078
This by the way is not an actual
Puckmarin puppet - a fan made this for Joey
725
00:55:20,131 --> 00:55:26,366
It was so neat, it was like these pulleys to
move his eyes and his eyebrows, and his mouth
726
00:55:26,418 --> 00:55:30,593
He was small, you couldn't understand
him and he was kind of cute, so
727
00:55:30,645 --> 00:55:34,901
I just kind of... tried to find
an alien sounding kind of...
728
00:55:34,953 --> 00:55:39,955
...thing and then...kind of gibberish
him into a into a cute character that was
729
00:55:40,007 --> 00:55:48,348
(puckmarin sounds)
730
00:55:48,932 --> 00:55:52,801
Remember when I'm looking at
the cool creatures and stuff and,
731
00:55:52,853 --> 00:55:57,786
and then I turn and that one guy grabs
my hat, and he bites it off and he's like
732
00:55:57,838 --> 00:56:00,694
(chomping sounds)
733
00:56:00,944 --> 00:56:05,220
And then the thing goes (burps) and it does
that huge long burp?
734
00:56:05,273 --> 00:56:07,329
Well, that was me
735
00:56:07,381 --> 00:56:08,683
(burp sound)
736
00:56:08,735 --> 00:56:14,834
I think that they maybe toned it down a little
bit, 'cos I had a pretty high pitched voice
737
00:56:15,496 --> 00:56:21,663
But uh, but still I did a really good nasty
long burp, and then they... they used it
738
00:56:21,715 --> 00:56:26,952
At that point, they didn't have a
lot of technology to remove strings
739
00:56:27,004 --> 00:56:30,370
There's a spindly kind of character
that was marionetted,
740
00:56:30,422 --> 00:56:34,716
we used monofilament to make him move, he was kind
of like a thing and he moved around like this,
741
00:56:34,768 --> 00:56:40,734
and they used some mist or smoke to kind
of help with making the strings disappear
742
00:56:41,401 --> 00:56:44,019
Max was a challenge because he was the
star of the show
743
00:56:44,071 --> 00:56:49,357
He really was this alien character that,
even though it was also chrome, and also
744
00:56:49,409 --> 00:56:53,695
harmonized visually with the interior of the
ship, he had to be able to emote and perform
745
00:56:53,747 --> 00:57:00,035
so that's when the suggestion for making
the interior of the glass orb on his face,
746
00:57:00,087 --> 00:57:03,290
animate and get video projections in
there, and have some things happening
747
00:57:03,342 --> 00:57:07,542
that make it a little bit more interesting
than just a static puppeted character
748
00:57:07,594 --> 00:57:11,773
The scene where Joey
and Max come face to face
749
00:57:11,826 --> 00:57:15,717
was done with the character
operated from above
750
00:57:15,769 --> 00:57:21,218
That scene had to be choreographed a little
more carefully than the others
751
00:57:21,270 --> 00:57:23,391
with the camera at the very end
752
00:57:23,443 --> 00:57:28,072
There were two grips that helped to
move Max around the spaceship
753
00:57:28,124 --> 00:57:34,614
We were about eight feet above where
Joey was sitting on an elevated stage,
754
00:57:34,666 --> 00:57:37,809
so we were about 14, 15 feet off the ground
755
00:57:37,861 --> 00:57:43,745
There was a platform that spanned the whole
set, and it was on dollies and a track
756
00:57:43,797 --> 00:57:48,296
so you had grips moving the front to
back, and a grip moving side to side
757
00:57:48,349 --> 00:57:50,418
and they had to memorize their marks
758
00:57:50,470 --> 00:57:53,421
"You are, the Navigator!"
759
00:57:53,473 --> 00:57:59,142
"You are the Navigator!" and the first time
we did that scene,
760
00:57:59,194 --> 00:58:03,248
they didn't have quite control of
the uh, trolley,
761
00:58:03,513 --> 00:58:05,884
and it started coming, and coming,
and coming,
762
00:58:05,936 --> 00:58:09,935
- and I was like "oh!"
- I slid down in my seat and it went 'whip!' right over my
763
00:58:09,987 --> 00:58:11,439
head, we were like "woah!" so...
764
00:58:11,491 --> 00:58:15,342
I think there was also a time
we made a foam mock-up of Max
765
00:58:15,394 --> 00:58:21,048
We had a duplicate hand puppet, so I
would be crouched down around Joey's feet
766
00:58:21,100 --> 00:58:24,550
and trying to stay out of the way, and
767
00:58:24,603 --> 00:58:28,445
we would do the close-ups of Max and Joey
with this small hand puppet
768
00:58:28,497 --> 00:58:32,787
I was assisting him on Max,
and I think I was helping with the...
769
00:58:32,839 --> 00:58:36,971
there was a sliding... finding what looked
like what emotion
770
00:58:37,282 --> 00:58:41,166
'cos he was... he just basically had these
things that went like this... and like this...
771
00:58:41,218 --> 00:58:45,807
- that's your sort of limited toolbox for trying to...
- Give him character
772
00:58:45,859 --> 00:58:47,830
"Okay turkey, you fly it"
773
00:58:48,612 --> 00:58:54,302
And after the mind-meld transfer he got
very loosey-goosey with his
774
00:58:54,354 --> 00:58:56,318
and into 'Pee-wee Herman' esque
775
00:58:56,370 --> 00:58:59,154
- "That's it?"
- "That's it, Davey!"
776
00:58:59,206 --> 00:59:03,646
When we filmed, I did the
voice - it's called a 'scratch track'
777
00:59:03,698 --> 00:59:08,705
When we tried to get the voice of the
Navigator, we tried all kinds of stuff including
778
00:59:08,757 --> 00:59:11,666
those machines that people use who have
lost their voices
779
00:59:11,718 --> 00:59:14,836
We didn't really know what the
sound of that voice was going to be
780
00:59:14,888 --> 00:59:17,339
We tried speeding things up...
slowing them down...
781
00:59:17,391 --> 00:59:23,011
but we knew we wanted something kid-like
and fun, and something that could change
782
00:59:23,063 --> 00:59:28,350
I saw "Pee-wee's Playhouse" and I thought "wow,
maybe Paul Reubens would be good for this?"
783
00:59:28,402 --> 00:59:31,519
"...but when you're finished
I'm sure it'll be beautiful... ha ha"
784
00:59:31,572 --> 00:59:36,637
In the earlier portions of their
relationship, I was noting last night,
785
00:59:36,968 --> 00:59:40,499
he's working very nicely to create a
different voice
786
00:59:40,551 --> 00:59:42,530
So the voice starts one way...
787
00:59:42,583 --> 00:59:44,199
"Protective hover is advised"
788
00:59:44,251 --> 00:59:48,896
...and then it gradually turns into
Paul Reuben's voice as
789
00:59:48,948 --> 00:59:51,896
this ship is beginning
to get into the kid's head
790
00:59:51,948 --> 00:59:56,378
When he starts to get
loose, you know who it is!
791
00:59:56,430 --> 01:00:00,215
(laughing)
792
01:00:00,267 --> 01:00:05,470
I'd be happy to shake hands with Paul Reubens
no matter what shape he materialized in
793
01:00:05,522 --> 01:00:10,915
Compliance!
794
01:00:10,967 --> 01:00:15,544
Randal had asked me "Hey, do
you think that you would want to maybe...
795
01:00:16,435 --> 01:00:19,054
...be the voice of the Navigator?"
796
01:00:19,107 --> 01:00:21,502
And I don't know why that occurred to him,
maybe he had decided
797
01:00:21,527 --> 01:00:24,331
maybe the voice should be someone
that he knew, maybe?
798
01:00:25,257 --> 01:00:30,744
And I was so excited, and we went in and we did
a bunch of voice over recordings and then he
799
01:00:30,796 --> 01:00:34,102
ended up going with Paul,
so that was disappointing to me
800
01:00:34,154 --> 01:00:38,786
but I knew that that was going to happen... he
asked... what was the song that they sing in the...?
801
01:00:39,223 --> 01:00:44,741
The Beach Boys song... I was
singing that in this studio and I was like
802
01:00:44,793 --> 01:00:46,850
"Wow, I'm really singing this badly"
803
01:00:46,902 --> 01:00:49,097
and I was like "maybe that's
what sunk me"
804
01:00:49,149 --> 01:00:51,276
"How important was music to the film?"
805
01:00:51,328 --> 01:00:53,101
Oh, I think music was greatly important
806
01:00:53,153 --> 01:00:56,605
I think Alan Silvestri
did... he did a fantastic job
807
01:00:56,657 --> 01:01:00,775
It was a short schedule, we didn't
have time or budget to do a big orchestra
808
01:01:00,827 --> 01:01:05,126
and Alan was willing to do it all with
synthesizers, and so we thought
809
01:01:05,178 --> 01:01:10,452
"Since it's a space movie, why not use
synthesizer?" So I think it was all synth
810
01:01:10,504 --> 01:01:13,521
- He's done all the Marvel movies now, right?
- He has
811
01:01:13,574 --> 01:01:14,623
and he has an orchestra
812
01:01:14,675 --> 01:01:18,126
One of my favorite scenes is when he's
flying around listening to The Beach Boys
813
01:01:18,178 --> 01:01:20,629
We had to have that song, and we
knew that early on
814
01:01:20,681 --> 01:01:25,484
We were afraid we wouldn't be able to afford
it, Disney wasn't sure they wanted to pay for it
815
01:01:25,537 --> 01:01:29,857
Randal and I kept leaning on them and they
finally... they gave us the right to that
816
01:01:30,121 --> 01:01:33,515
(singing) "I'm getting bugged driving
up and down the same old strip..."
817
01:01:33,568 --> 01:01:36,811
"...I gotta find a new place where they
kids are hip..."
818
01:01:36,864 --> 01:01:41,483
When we were filming it, they were like "Joe,
have you practiced your singing uh, scene?"
819
01:01:41,535 --> 01:01:44,513
And he's like "yeah, yeah I've been
practicing" and I didn't know he'd been
820
01:01:44,538 --> 01:01:47,689
practicing, or I didn't know anything
about it but my ears perked up, I was like
821
01:01:47,714 --> 01:01:50,492
"Oooh, Joe's gonna
sing, so this will be cool!"
822
01:01:50,544 --> 01:01:52,985
It was mostly just
lip-syncing and singing along
823
01:01:53,037 --> 01:01:57,918
He was kind of dancing and pushing
the... all the things in the ship around...
824
01:01:57,970 --> 01:01:59,862
I don't know if that
even made it into the film
825
01:01:59,887 --> 01:02:08,228
(singing) "I Get Around..."
826
01:02:26,496 --> 01:02:30,949
I was always happy when he was in
jail, because I knew he'd get fed and
827
01:02:31,001 --> 01:02:32,883
he was off the street
828
01:02:33,417 --> 01:02:41,759
Up until this last time, every time I went to
jail yeah... I pretty much knew I'd be back
829
01:02:44,362 --> 01:02:47,843
They don't make it easy to
come out and succeed
830
01:02:48,373 --> 01:02:50,912
So this was basically the
831
01:02:50,964 --> 01:02:57,377
third time that I'd really done a significant
amount of time - I got six months one time,
832
01:02:57,430 --> 01:03:02,267
I got six months another time, and
then I did this two years less a day, but
833
01:03:02,319 --> 01:03:08,346
in between there, there were little bits where
maybe I went away for a week, or a few days, or
834
01:03:08,398 --> 01:03:10,541
kind of in and out numerous times
835
01:03:12,543 --> 01:03:18,580
So the Guthrie Therapeutic Community is based
inside NCC: Nanaimo Corrections Center, it's
836
01:03:18,632 --> 01:03:22,379
actually fenced off
from the main population
837
01:03:22,432 --> 01:03:27,380
I think as a center we believe that everybody
matters, everybody should have a chance
838
01:03:27,432 --> 01:03:32,589
that hoping and believing in someone
can be the very thing that they need
839
01:03:32,641 --> 01:03:38,110
to see that change is possible for them, and giving
them every opportunity to make good decisions
840
01:03:38,162 --> 01:03:40,626
is part of what we do here
841
01:03:41,751 --> 01:03:46,274
This main room that we're in is where we'd
have our morning meetings, and evening meetings
842
01:03:46,326 --> 01:03:49,903
The morning meeting would be like our
morning philosophy, and then we have
843
01:03:49,955 --> 01:03:55,512
a board where we go through news, weather and
sports - just kind of getting used to chit chat
844
01:03:55,564 --> 01:04:01,836
Guthrie is based in stages,
like, so you have orientation phase then...
845
01:04:02,259 --> 01:04:06,951
What's it called? What's the middle
phase called? Primary, right (laughs)
846
01:04:07,003 --> 01:04:14,019
We've got orientation phase, then primary phase,
and then re-entry phase, so it's going through
847
01:04:14,071 --> 01:04:18,404
um, you know getting used to being here and
being in a community, and how this program works
848
01:04:18,456 --> 01:04:22,978
getting used to thinking different
ways than just being in a jail mentality,
849
01:04:23,030 --> 01:04:28,149
and then the primary phase where you're really
getting into the classes about guilt and shame, and
850
01:04:28,202 --> 01:04:33,855
forgiveness, and then the re-entry phase which is
getting yourself ready to be back in the community
851
01:04:33,907 --> 01:04:37,496
Yeah, we'll get the gist
of what a room was like...
852
01:04:37,548 --> 01:04:41,663
Often you're dealt with on a last
name basis, or by your number
853
01:04:41,715 --> 01:04:45,911
Here at Guthrie it's so cool because we're
on a first name basis with each other, with
854
01:04:45,963 --> 01:04:50,338
the counselors - actually connected with
the people that you're incarcerated with
855
01:04:50,390 --> 01:04:55,947
It's like there's still humanity there that
can be shared right, on both... both ends
856
01:04:56,940 --> 01:05:01,758
I don't know if it's like, comfortable
coming back but it gets to be a habit and it
857
01:05:01,810 --> 01:05:03,371
gets to be familiar
858
01:05:03,423 --> 01:05:07,188
I was here with guys who had been
in and out of jail for most of their lives
859
01:05:07,241 --> 01:05:13,470
It's scary, change is scary, I mean for
anyone whether it's, right, a stock broker or
860
01:05:13,522 --> 01:05:19,001
you know, a mom or you know, a criminal
or addict - it doesn't really matter
861
01:05:19,053 --> 01:05:23,874
change is hard and scary, for moving
from job to job, or a home or whatever, so
862
01:05:23,926 --> 01:05:27,022
when you get familiar and comfortable it's
easy to get
863
01:05:27,427 --> 01:05:30,880
used to it, and feel like
that's the only way to live
864
01:05:30,932 --> 01:05:33,214
and feel like there's no other way out
865
01:05:33,267 --> 01:05:36,651
That snowballing in that negative
way where it's
866
01:05:36,703 --> 01:05:40,855
you know, it's just from one crime to
the other, or one fix to the other, or one
867
01:05:40,908 --> 01:05:43,308
you know, mistake or... yeah
868
01:05:43,360 --> 01:05:51,702
(piano playing)
869
01:06:03,797 --> 01:06:05,591
Ah, I need to practice more!
870
01:06:05,643 --> 01:06:10,384
So that was my house right there
my window with the gray, right...
871
01:06:11,555 --> 01:06:16,756
This is Guthrie - it's pretty
cool, pretty cool! Yeah
872
01:06:16,808 --> 01:06:21,434
Because of our environment, because of the type
of jail we are with medium and open custody
873
01:06:21,486 --> 01:06:26,002
men can have opportunities to go
for a walk, just be outside in fresh air
874
01:06:26,054 --> 01:06:32,012
just be outside in fresh air a center that has cells and
big heavy metal doors it's very different how that feels
875
01:06:32,064 --> 01:06:35,853
This environment allows
them, I think, to feel safe
876
01:06:35,905 --> 01:06:39,583
We're there to support them, and to
help, them try and change their lives
877
01:06:40,178 --> 01:06:42,117
When we have our alumni come back,
878
01:06:42,169 --> 01:06:45,489
especially a success story - someone who's
doing well in the community
879
01:06:45,541 --> 01:06:49,148
Them coming back and sharing
the experience that they've had
880
01:06:49,200 --> 01:06:53,946
since their release, and giving these other
guys motivation saying, like, "Hey..."
881
01:06:53,998 --> 01:06:56,759
"...if this guy can do it, so can I"
882
01:06:56,812 --> 01:07:00,250
It just kind of gives them
a sense of relief in terms of
883
01:07:00,303 --> 01:07:02,460
what they're putting their time into
884
01:07:02,512 --> 01:07:06,187
A lot of people who did see
the movie knew who Joe was, so
885
01:07:06,212 --> 01:07:08,794
they got to see that it
can happen to anybody
886
01:07:08,847 --> 01:07:11,965
and the fact that he still comes back is...
is huge
887
01:07:12,017 --> 01:07:16,870
A lot of respect in terms of showing
support for the community that supported him
888
01:07:17,664 --> 01:07:20,066
This was my job for many months
889
01:07:20,118 --> 01:07:24,499
I got to just do the zen of laundry
and you know, folding clothes, but also
890
01:07:24,551 --> 01:07:29,419
I could sit down here and I could read, or write,
and I wrote a lot of songs down here and there's
891
01:07:29,750 --> 01:07:33,678
fairly like, you know, there's a little
bit of an echo like, decent acoustics
892
01:07:33,730 --> 01:07:37,309
so I would sit down and sometimes
bring a guitar down and play, or
893
01:07:37,362 --> 01:07:40,222
whatever and stuff like that while
I was working...
894
01:07:41,478 --> 01:07:44,918
I don't know if I was allowed to
play guitar while I was working, so
895
01:07:44,970 --> 01:07:49,074
maybe don't... we won't tell that...
no anyway, but... (laughs)
896
01:07:50,237 --> 01:07:55,991
(singing) "Well there is
something I have learned..."
897
01:07:56,043 --> 01:08:01,265
"...of the virtues I have earned..."
898
01:08:01,317 --> 01:08:05,980
"...What's given free will be returned..."
899
01:08:06,753 --> 01:08:11,299
"...when love has taken over..."
900
01:08:12,357 --> 01:08:15,210
I was kind of a mess
when I first got here, I was
901
01:08:15,262 --> 01:08:19,152
I'd been holding all this stuff
together for years and years, and then
902
01:08:19,204 --> 01:08:24,387
coming in here, I could really just
let go of that guilt, and shame, and
903
01:08:24,439 --> 01:08:27,634
self-loathing, hate... and
all that stuff that was just
904
01:08:27,686 --> 01:08:31,559
burning me up and tearing me apart
inside, and actually get it out there
905
01:08:31,612 --> 01:08:34,562
and release it and... and then rebuild
906
01:08:34,615 --> 01:08:42,956
(singing) "Love... has taken over..."
907
01:08:43,957 --> 01:08:46,661
Yeah, there's always
those... those thoughts, right?
908
01:08:46,713 --> 01:08:51,085
When I've been looking at pictures recently
of me when I was younger, and after the movies
909
01:08:51,137 --> 01:08:55,934
If I had stayed in Hollywood yeah, I
mean I would have been a star I'm sure
910
01:08:56,264 --> 01:09:01,123
And then also I got offered a part on the
Star Trek series - "The Next Generation" as
911
01:09:01,176 --> 01:09:04,718
the Wesley Crusher... which
Will Wheaton, you know...
912
01:09:04,770 --> 01:09:07,929
But I was 14 and I remember
it being 10 years of my life,
913
01:09:07,981 --> 01:09:10,797
Is that where really what I want to be
doing? And...
914
01:09:10,849 --> 01:09:15,172
and at the time I had been in film and
TV for so long, I'd missed my childhood
915
01:09:15,224 --> 01:09:17,286
and I just wanted to be a kid again
916
01:09:17,339 --> 01:09:20,656
I figured "Oh well, the right
thing to do is finish high school..."
917
01:09:20,709 --> 01:09:23,710
"...and then get back into acting if not"
Right? So...
918
01:09:23,997 --> 01:09:30,550
Sometimes I think yeah... I mean oh, if I
had stayed in movies I would have you know,
919
01:09:31,004 --> 01:09:33,390
made a million dollars, or whatever it was
920
01:09:33,442 --> 01:09:38,178
At the same time, the way
my trajectory went I... I don't...
921
01:09:38,846 --> 01:09:43,632
Had I moved to LA by myself, unless I had
a really good mentor or someone around,
922
01:09:43,684 --> 01:09:48,355
I'm pretty sure that I would probably
be dead by now
923
01:09:48,522 --> 01:09:52,618
(singing) "...has taken over..."
924
01:09:53,610 --> 01:09:56,441
Do I wish that I could take things back?
925
01:09:56,493 --> 01:10:03,124
Like, if I could have not committed a crime,
and still come here for the amount of time...
926
01:10:03,176 --> 01:10:05,992
...I would have,
I mean I remember phoning,
927
01:10:06,045 --> 01:10:09,317
and I think I talked to Dana and was like
"Can I just come to your program?"
928
01:10:09,369 --> 01:10:13,776
She's like "well no, it's based in the
correction, you have to be incarcerated" and
929
01:10:13,828 --> 01:10:17,257
that was like a year or so before I
actually committed the crime but it
930
01:10:17,309 --> 01:10:25,651
kind of planted the seed "well, maybe I just
need to get put away for a decent amount of time"
931
01:10:28,562 --> 01:10:32,180
We're gonna go, I guess
around the corner to... and
932
01:10:32,232 --> 01:10:34,752
I'll just kind of show
you where the bank was
933
01:10:34,805 --> 01:10:38,826
and I haven't been back here since...
since that infamous day
934
01:10:38,878 --> 01:10:46,660
I was so at a loss, I just so didn't... I was
so frustrated and I was so angry at myself
935
01:10:46,712 --> 01:10:48,251
and I was so sad
936
01:10:48,304 --> 01:10:54,202
Well, what can I do to either, maybe get
myself a whack of cash so that then I could
937
01:10:54,254 --> 01:10:55,871
pay for treatment?
938
01:10:55,924 --> 01:10:58,656
I didn't want to go to a 35-day program,
939
01:10:58,708 --> 01:11:02,711
or even a three-month program,
I wanted to go to like a year program
940
01:11:02,763 --> 01:11:07,549
So I'm grateful that it's actually
a holiday Monday, and the bank isn't open
941
01:11:07,601 --> 01:11:11,511
I just started feeling
more and more hopeless,
942
01:11:11,563 --> 01:11:17,819
more and more handcuffed,
backed into a wall like, just at my wits
943
01:11:17,872 --> 01:11:20,729
I was very suicidal
944
01:11:20,781 --> 01:11:26,666
I don't think that I would really be recognizable
now, per se, because I look so different
945
01:11:26,718 --> 01:11:30,069
I just wanted to get a whole
bunch of heroin and just kill myself
946
01:11:32,376 --> 01:11:35,910
and I remembered about the Guthrie
program, in Nanaimo Corrections,
947
01:11:35,963 --> 01:11:41,455
and I thought that was basically like
my only option to get clean
948
01:11:42,315 --> 01:11:44,252
So I started looking up crimes
949
01:11:44,304 --> 01:11:46,513
I was on methadone at the time
950
01:11:46,778 --> 01:11:50,351
I think if anything, that I was probably...
951
01:11:50,477 --> 01:11:52,664
...that I'd probably smoke some crack
952
01:11:52,929 --> 01:12:00,453
I didn't want to do it violently, and I can't
remember exactly why I chose the day that I did or
953
01:12:00,505 --> 01:12:02,894
what happened or anything, I just...
954
01:12:03,489 --> 01:12:05,852
I just finally did it
955
01:12:08,412 --> 01:12:11,804
I don't know how I feel, I...
I mean I feel...
956
01:12:11,856 --> 01:12:19,397
I felt like bad for people
who loved the movie
957
01:12:21,421 --> 01:12:23,444
(crying)
958
01:12:31,101 --> 01:12:38,054
And I just...
I've just been really messed up
959
01:12:41,097 --> 01:12:49,096
and I felt horrible when, when I read
that the poor woman was terrified
960
01:12:52,539 --> 01:12:58,541
It's not just a story about a kid actor
that goes to jail, it's about what happened
961
01:12:58,593 --> 01:13:02,061
I wrote a letter, an apology letter, to her
962
01:13:02,113 --> 01:13:06,177
I tried to get it to her, I don't know
if it ever got to her though
963
01:13:06,470 --> 01:13:12,340
Those choices seem so silly to anybody who's
clean, and has been all their life, but
964
01:13:12,392 --> 01:13:16,289
if you've ever been in that
position, it's not a far reach
965
01:13:16,341 --> 01:13:19,944
When I saw what had
happened, my heart broke
966
01:13:19,996 --> 01:13:26,688
I was upset for him, and angry
at the industry for letting it happen
967
01:13:26,740 --> 01:13:31,264
It's a tough life being an actor,
and as a kid actor it's double
968
01:13:31,317 --> 01:13:34,267
Yes it's the old story,
but it's a true story
969
01:13:34,320 --> 01:13:36,725
Oh, you're hot when you're hot, and
you're not when you're not, and
970
01:13:36,750 --> 01:13:39,381
when you're cute and you're young,
and you're adorable and you're fresh, and
971
01:13:39,406 --> 01:13:42,694
you're doing a movie and, you know, everybody's
all over you, and then 10 years later
972
01:13:42,719 --> 01:13:45,965
you're not that cute little
adorable child any longer, and
973
01:13:46,017 --> 01:13:48,876
somehow you know, you don't have a
slot that you fit into
974
01:13:48,928 --> 01:13:52,547
I think child actors always have problems
975
01:13:52,599 --> 01:13:57,798
A lot is expected of them, and they're
working in a field that is totally unreal
976
01:13:57,850 --> 01:14:02,362
That becomes part of your growth experience,
and you think that's the way life is going to be
977
01:14:02,414 --> 01:14:06,394
and life isn't going to be that
way, it's a very unforgiving business
978
01:14:06,446 --> 01:14:11,566
I think Joey was on the verge of massive
stardom, to be honest
979
01:14:11,618 --> 01:14:15,600
but it's very easy sometimes to
zig when you should have zagged
980
01:14:16,130 --> 01:14:20,241
I think it's a very
difficult way to grow up
981
01:14:20,294 --> 01:14:26,437
It's the rare child, I would say, that comes
through the experience of having been a child actor
982
01:14:26,489 --> 01:14:28,993
and doesn't suffer some consequence of it
983
01:14:29,045 --> 01:14:32,754
There's very few of us that have
ever made the transition
984
01:14:32,806 --> 01:14:37,440
It happens, but not often, and I think it's
particularly hard on kids
985
01:14:37,837 --> 01:14:42,426
I would think that the issues around
the industry, in kids are
986
01:14:42,478 --> 01:14:45,210
a sense of normalcy,
and what is normal when you're a kid?
987
01:14:45,262 --> 01:14:50,088
There's so many areas in our
lives where we have to have training,
988
01:14:50,140 --> 01:14:52,022
It was missing there in the movies
989
01:14:52,074 --> 01:14:55,425
It is a stereotype, but it's a stereotype
for a reason, it's
990
01:14:55,450 --> 01:15:02,751
story after story of kids who are
expected to be adults,
991
01:15:02,803 --> 01:15:07,622
and are treated as adults, far earlier
than they should be treated as adults
992
01:15:07,674 --> 01:15:13,846
One of the worst things that can happen to a child
prodigy, or a child singer, or a child actor,
993
01:15:13,898 --> 01:15:15,679
is they grow up
994
01:15:16,099 --> 01:15:20,093
You see, when they're young everybody's going
"You should hear this kid play the piano, you
995
01:15:20,145 --> 01:15:25,390
"...should hear this kid, they are incredible" and
they get all that attention because they're a child
996
01:15:25,442 --> 01:15:33,784
and so the unique aura that is around a
child, when they're an adult, that disappears
997
01:15:34,034 --> 01:15:38,239
and that can be especially brutal
when you've made your life being a child,
998
01:15:38,291 --> 01:15:40,420
and everybody loved you as a child
999
01:15:40,472 --> 01:15:46,408
It's almost like being typecast
as a kid, and you grow out of being a kid
1000
01:15:47,464 --> 01:15:50,188
He has access to something that I don't,
1001
01:15:50,240 --> 01:15:53,791
and maybe that
vulnerability was a liability
1002
01:15:53,843 --> 01:15:58,292
in dealing with what we all
know is true about this business
1003
01:15:58,344 --> 01:16:06,181
and when it's stymied, when it's resisted
by the real world
1004
01:16:06,233 --> 01:16:07,725
...it beats you up
1005
01:16:07,777 --> 01:16:15,690
It's easy to understand turning towards some
kind of relief, whether it's meditation or drugs,
1006
01:16:15,742 --> 01:16:19,011
or simply acting out, aberrant behavior
1007
01:16:19,063 --> 01:16:24,757
Any combination of those makes life hell, not
only for yourself, but for others around you
1008
01:16:25,085 --> 01:16:26,748
But I'm not a psychiatrist...
1009
01:16:28,505 --> 01:16:30,769
I'm just a former drug user
1010
01:16:37,264 --> 01:16:42,467
So I was going through my stuff today, and
I found an old picture of me and my aunt and
1011
01:16:42,519 --> 01:16:47,439
uncle from 2006 at my my dad's funeral
1012
01:16:47,836 --> 01:16:50,405
It reminded me that, um...
1013
01:16:51,066 --> 01:16:53,924
regardless of... of
1014
01:16:54,531 --> 01:16:59,536
the little time we'd spent together during
my life um,
1015
01:16:59,588 --> 01:17:05,341
the first time I went to rehab in 2005, I
reached out to him and he actually came, uh
1016
01:17:05,393 --> 01:17:09,549
met up for a family
counseling session thing,
1017
01:17:09,601 --> 01:17:16,869
and then once I was released, he offered me
to come and stay with him on Galliano Island
1018
01:17:16,921 --> 01:17:23,090
I connected with my dad, and went and lived
with him for the six months while he was dying
1019
01:17:23,142 --> 01:17:31,462
and I finally started to see and
understand, kind of, why he was emotionally
1020
01:17:31,514 --> 01:17:34,686
unavailable for me - he
shared things about his
1021
01:17:34,738 --> 01:17:37,105
childhood and... and his life
1022
01:17:37,157 --> 01:17:43,807
It created some closure when he
did pass away, and I realized that
1023
01:17:43,859 --> 01:17:49,133
you know, I was... I was there holding
his hand when he died, and I realized that
1024
01:17:49,185 --> 01:17:57,254
he was there for me when I was born,
and I was there for him when he died, so...
1025
01:17:57,306 --> 01:18:00,077
...pretty uh, special thing
1026
01:18:07,521 --> 01:18:11,973
When I first got released, I went straight
to Vancouver Island Therapeutic Community
1027
01:18:12,025 --> 01:18:16,978
and I spent almost nine months there, and
that's like the sister program to Guthrie
1028
01:18:17,030 --> 01:18:22,371
Now, I've had the opportunity to move into
this house, so it's kind of a third stage
1029
01:18:22,423 --> 01:18:26,208
We're a lot more independent, taking
care of ourselves, going to school,
1030
01:18:26,260 --> 01:18:28,490
getting a job, get all our own groceries
1031
01:18:28,542 --> 01:18:32,053
and you can pretty much stay here as
long as you need to
1032
01:18:32,105 --> 01:18:35,566
Generally, like a three to four
year, you know, window to...
1033
01:18:35,618 --> 01:18:38,833
to really get fully integrated
back into the community
1034
01:18:38,886 --> 01:18:43,421
I live with four other guys who are...
also have been through the program and
1035
01:18:43,473 --> 01:18:48,011
I had one roommate who, he had a bit
of a slip and, you know, and relapsed and
1036
01:18:48,063 --> 01:18:53,901
ended up going back to VITC for a little
while, so did another four months at VITC
1037
01:18:53,953 --> 01:18:58,608
and then ended up moving back into the third
stage house, and is now doing really well so
1038
01:18:58,661 --> 01:19:04,442
sometimes it takes those... those times of,
you know, of trial and error and...
1039
01:19:04,494 --> 01:19:09,073
and learning that it's not a failure
to relapse or to slip up because
1040
01:19:09,125 --> 01:19:12,988
those behaviors and those habits are
so ingrained that
1041
01:19:13,041 --> 01:19:16,203
it ends up being the
normal thing to do, right?
1042
01:19:16,534 --> 01:19:21,045
My goal is to move out on my
own and start acting, and for me
1043
01:19:21,098 --> 01:19:24,737
I want to keep moving forward, and keep
going on to the next stage, and the next
1044
01:19:24,789 --> 01:19:31,182
challenge, and the next goals and keep...
keep uh, keep going
1045
01:19:32,372 --> 01:19:38,226
So we're going to concentrate on the words
that drive you, and drive your personality
1046
01:19:38,278 --> 01:19:42,473
Hi, my name is Joe Cramer, I'm
represented by Spotlight Academy
1047
01:19:42,525 --> 01:19:46,999
There's nobody new in this classroom,
you've now all known me for quite some time,
1048
01:19:47,052 --> 01:19:48,190
some longer than others
1049
01:19:48,242 --> 01:19:55,187
The environment has allowed me to really be
myself, and be vulnerable and be open, and just
1050
01:19:55,584 --> 01:19:57,078
and just do what I love
1051
01:19:57,130 --> 01:20:02,273
You can just see now, you know,
all of those skills coming back
1052
01:20:02,325 --> 01:20:07,422
but now as a man, with all of those
life skills, and all of that maturity
1053
01:20:07,474 --> 01:20:11,760
and all of that beautiful vulnerability,
that most people don't get
1054
01:20:11,812 --> 01:20:14,052
and such an understanding of life
1055
01:20:14,104 --> 01:20:16,542
(laughs) Way to go tiger
1056
01:20:16,872 --> 01:20:22,642
Okay, you know what? Let's get going, I want
to make it back down to camp before dark
1057
01:20:22,973 --> 01:20:26,279
We'll stay the night, and then we'll
head back out home tomorrow morning
1058
01:20:26,332 --> 01:20:29,030
Acting is a journey of self-discovery,
1059
01:20:29,082 --> 01:20:33,949
and learning that my experience
is a gift, and that it's not a curse
1060
01:20:34,001 --> 01:20:36,636
What you're doing is inspirational
1061
01:20:37,004 --> 01:20:41,182
You give people hope through your journey
1062
01:20:41,512 --> 01:20:47,420
This is a home that we've created, a safe
environment for you, to be able to feel
1063
01:20:47,472 --> 01:20:52,688
free and to fly... fly with a skill
that you were given as a child
1064
01:20:52,740 --> 01:20:59,026
and now coming back, that flight is
so much more powerful as a man, right? Yeah
1065
01:21:01,862 --> 01:21:06,380
I've learned to be humble
enough to ask for help and to say
1066
01:21:06,432 --> 01:21:10,771
"Okay, I put some pretty big blocks in my
path, and I can't move them all on my own"
1067
01:21:10,823 --> 01:21:15,217
I've changed my life, and I believe that
for all people struggling
1068
01:21:15,269 --> 01:21:20,495
We all have the power inside of
us to do it, and make those choices,
1069
01:21:20,547 --> 01:21:22,419
and we don't have to do it alone
1070
01:21:22,549 --> 01:21:26,395
I can't ever take back
things that I've done
1071
01:21:26,725 --> 01:21:29,833
I feel like I'm living the life that I was
meant to, now
1072
01:21:29,885 --> 01:21:31,444
Hi Sarah! No (laughs)
1073
01:21:31,774 --> 01:21:37,235
When I went back to high school, and then I didn't
fit in, and I was bullied and I was chased, and
1074
01:21:37,287 --> 01:21:41,925
those memories kind of stuck in my mind,
but now that I'm
1075
01:21:41,977 --> 01:21:47,221
like living, you know, a normal life it's
like, I barely remember the bad times anymore
1076
01:21:47,991 --> 01:21:52,359
I know he's grown up, you know, he's
growing up... he's a man
1077
01:21:52,411 --> 01:21:58,710
Now I don't know where he is because he's
busy, not because he's out somewhere doing some
1078
01:21:58,763 --> 01:21:59,977
horrible thing
1079
01:22:00,029 --> 01:22:07,305
and it's just so wonderful to see him
come back into himself again over this
1080
01:22:07,358 --> 01:22:10,999
is it, two years now, he's out?
1081
01:22:11,051 --> 01:22:15,598
Sometimes I think "God, it would
be so easy for him to go back" but
1082
01:22:15,929 --> 01:22:21,942
I really don't think he wants to go back,
I hope... I hope
1083
01:22:27,447 --> 01:22:30,065
Joe, you're back in Hollywood
1084
01:22:30,117 --> 01:22:32,648
How does it feel to be back in LA?
1085
01:22:32,701 --> 01:22:38,406
"You know, being back here it's pretty amazing, I
mean Hollywood is like, it's 'Lights, Camera, Action"
1086
01:22:38,458 --> 01:22:44,220
I wasn't sure if I was, just kind of
a child actor who looked the part
1087
01:22:44,273 --> 01:22:48,076
and if it was what I was really
meant to do, and after all this time
1088
01:22:48,129 --> 01:22:52,718
I still come back to something that reminded
me, is that it's never too late to be
1089
01:22:52,770 --> 01:22:55,896
who you might have been, and then
1090
01:22:55,948 --> 01:23:02,248
pretty exciting, we've coordinated
this "Navigator" reunion
1091
01:23:02,300 --> 01:23:06,935
Not really sure exactly... exactly who's going
to be here and stuff so, it'll be a surprise
1092
01:23:06,987 --> 01:23:14,276
but I'm really excited like, it felt like a family, and
it just it was a huge part of my young... young life
1093
01:23:14,328 --> 01:23:19,615
I have butterflies, I'm nervous, I'm
not really sure what to expect, I mean
1094
01:23:19,667 --> 01:23:24,410
There was many times over the
years that I thought about reaching out
1095
01:23:24,462 --> 01:23:29,984
I was embarrassed or ashamed of how my life
was at the time, so I never reached out
1096
01:23:30,036 --> 01:23:35,191
That being said, now that I'm in such a
good place, and with myself, and in my life
1097
01:23:35,243 --> 01:23:38,276
it's going to be really exciting
to see all these people
1098
01:23:38,328 --> 01:23:41,217
- Joey Cramer...
- Oh my gosh
1099
01:23:42,773 --> 01:23:46,260
- How are you buddy?
- I'm so good
1100
01:23:46,921 --> 01:23:51,396
- Hello...
- Hi... so good to see you
1101
01:23:51,448 --> 01:23:53,064
Do I call you Joey, or Joe?
1102
01:23:53,116 --> 01:23:56,234
Whatever you want, I'm easy, Joey's good
Yeah?
1103
01:23:56,286 --> 01:23:58,911
- It's so good, so good to see you!
- Wow, look at you...
1104
01:23:58,963 --> 01:24:05,976
Randal has always been wonderful and
supportive, and I'd want him to know that he's
1105
01:24:06,028 --> 01:24:12,667
a huge part of my life, and like that, I
didn't really have much of a father figure,
1106
01:24:12,719 --> 01:24:18,673
I always felt cared for and loved, and
appreciated, and just such a
1107
01:24:18,725 --> 01:24:25,591
generous spirit, and such a good man like,
I just... I couldn't say enough really
1108
01:24:25,643 --> 01:24:29,017
and I mean, who's kidding like, "Grease"?
1109
01:24:29,069 --> 01:24:34,356
Well, there's one guy over there...
uh, oh Detective... Detective Banks...
1110
01:24:34,408 --> 01:24:36,170
Remember this guy?
1111
01:24:36,222 --> 01:24:39,357
Finally gonna deliver you home
That's right
1112
01:24:40,614 --> 01:24:45,919
- So good to see you!
- You too... get the family back together
1113
01:24:45,971 --> 01:24:51,704
I think that the notion of a movie becoming
a cult classic, is something that
1114
01:24:51,756 --> 01:24:56,062
always is for people other than
the filmmakers to make happen
1115
01:24:56,114 --> 01:25:00,215
- Oh hey, good to see you, Tim!
- Albie Whitaker
1116
01:25:00,267 --> 01:25:03,360
Oh my God, Albie...
this is your little brother!
1117
01:25:03,412 --> 01:25:06,422
- Oh yeah, how are you?
- Good to see you, man
1118
01:25:06,474 --> 01:25:10,050
You know, the picture opened, okay
1119
01:25:10,102 --> 01:25:15,299
The fact is that the picture
played for years on the Disney Channel, and
1120
01:25:15,351 --> 01:25:21,099
developed a real, I would say, a cult following,
more as a result of television, and video
1121
01:25:21,151 --> 01:25:22,737
than theatrical
1122
01:25:22,789 --> 01:25:25,177
- You're out?
- I'm out
1123
01:25:25,229 --> 01:25:30,078
Yeah, no probation, no, you know,
no ankle bracelet, nothing (laughs)
1124
01:25:30,130 --> 01:25:33,665
And just, yeah it's great, I
got my NASA shoes on - Okay!
1125
01:25:33,717 --> 01:25:39,078
This movie had a lot of things
in it that were new for the time
1126
01:25:39,130 --> 01:25:42,257
and I think when you add all of those
different elements, the
1127
01:25:42,309 --> 01:25:47,527
...the puppetry, Joey particularly, the
ship itself, it became something
1128
01:25:47,579 --> 01:25:51,593
larger than something we even imagined,
and regardless of
1129
01:25:51,645 --> 01:25:55,770
the box office outcome
of a movie like that is, a movie like that
1130
01:25:55,822 --> 01:25:58,275
tends to continue to play, and play
1131
01:25:58,327 --> 01:26:01,363
There's been talk of... of doing a sequel
1132
01:26:01,416 --> 01:26:04,499
I would kill to work on a sequel
to that movie, that'd be fun
1133
01:26:04,551 --> 01:26:09,784
I love the original and
sometimes these remakes don't work out
1134
01:26:09,837 --> 01:26:11,786
If you're gonna do it, it has to be better
1135
01:26:11,839 --> 01:26:17,542
I'm trying to think of one where it
did, and I can't think of one (laughs)
1136
01:26:17,594 --> 01:26:20,412
And I had this really funny thing happen
1137
01:26:20,464 --> 01:26:23,641
where um, well because you know
I've been through ups and downs and I
1138
01:26:23,693 --> 01:26:26,825
- was in jail for a while and all this stuff right, you know?
- Yeah
1139
01:26:26,878 --> 01:26:30,995
but I actually had some officers
who loved the movie, - Yeah
1140
01:26:31,047 --> 01:26:37,518
print off the script and ask me
the questions while we were driving
1141
01:26:37,570 --> 01:26:41,235
We were driving to go to some appointment
or something, and they were like
1142
01:26:41,287 --> 01:26:44,835
"So you know, David right, who's the
President of the United States?" I'm like
1143
01:26:44,887 --> 01:26:48,925
"Duh, you want to know that for your
paperwork?" Anyway right, but uh...
1144
01:26:48,977 --> 01:26:52,749
But they... we did the whole scene, and
I still remembered it after all these years
1145
01:26:52,801 --> 01:26:56,264
That's fantastic, man, that's fantastic
But super fun
1146
01:26:56,661 --> 01:26:59,052
I can't believe it's 33 years
1147
01:26:59,383 --> 01:27:03,134
I do conventions, and you'd be
amazed how many people come
1148
01:27:03,186 --> 01:27:05,275
and have seen "Flight of the Navigator"
1149
01:27:05,327 --> 01:27:09,511
I remember seeing the
picture for the first time,
1150
01:27:09,563 --> 01:27:11,948
seeing the picture for the first time, and
being so moved by it
1151
01:27:11,973 --> 01:27:15,062
It's lovely when they come up
and they say "Oh..."
1152
01:27:15,114 --> 01:27:20,355
My favourite movie is "Flight of the Navigator",
it's not "Alien", it's "Flight of the Navigator"
1153
01:27:20,407 --> 01:27:26,010
Kids were always coming up to me saying "Oh
you were the dad in "Flight of the Navigator!"
1154
01:27:26,062 --> 01:27:30,501
And I said "Yeah", they said "Oh you know, I
really loved it, and it changed my life and..."
1155
01:27:30,553 --> 01:27:34,558
"...I was having trouble with my
parents but then I saw that" and
1156
01:27:34,610 --> 01:27:38,984
and it was really touching to me
how it touched them,
1157
01:27:39,036 --> 01:27:44,250
So it's always surprising to me, the emotional
resonance that some of these things have
1158
01:27:44,580 --> 01:27:48,711
It comes up and I would say "Well, I was in a
movie" and they're like "Well, what movie? And I say
1159
01:27:48,764 --> 01:27:55,056
"Flight of the Navigator"...everybody has the same
response, they go "Oh my God, I love that movie"
1160
01:27:55,108 --> 01:27:58,468
Why is Navigator so revered
and special to so many?
1161
01:27:58,520 --> 01:27:59,728
Because it has heart
1162
01:27:59,780 --> 01:28:04,126
When we do movies, it lasts forever
1163
01:28:04,178 --> 01:28:07,402
It's another world in which
anything is possible
1164
01:28:07,454 --> 01:28:11,507
I think the reason that "Flight of Navigator"
still works is the performance of Joey
1165
01:28:11,559 --> 01:28:14,228
It sets off a child's imagination
1166
01:28:14,280 --> 01:28:21,416
And I think also, people relate to the
idea of you never really leave home
1167
01:28:21,468 --> 01:28:26,406
It's a really fun movie with a great
message about love, and family, and
1168
01:28:26,459 --> 01:28:31,938
It was sweet... sweet as can be, and of a
different era, those movies are gone,
1169
01:28:31,990 --> 01:28:33,608
and we won't see them again
1170
01:28:33,661 --> 01:28:37,225
I didn't realize when I was that young,
how many people did watch it
1171
01:28:37,277 --> 01:28:40,514
because people still "Oh, 'Flight
of the Navigator', I know that movie"
1172
01:28:40,566 --> 01:28:46,159
I'm always surprised that they say
"Yes, that moved me, and thank you"
1173
01:28:47,494 --> 01:28:49,699
What scares me about the future?
1174
01:28:49,752 --> 01:28:53,555
With the most humility I almost don't
fear the future
1175
01:28:53,608 --> 01:28:56,325
because I live moment to moment, and
1176
01:28:56,377 --> 01:29:00,167
right now in this moment I'm doing
everything I can to be the best
1177
01:29:00,219 --> 01:29:01,475
version of me
1178
01:29:01,500 --> 01:29:08,587
I was the movie star kid
who had no identity, and now I do
1179
01:29:09,099 --> 01:29:10,684
Now I do
1180
01:29:11,351 --> 01:29:19,693
My life after the navigator has been pretty
crazy uh, it has been a roller coaster
1181
01:29:24,342 --> 01:29:28,243
It has been very painful
1182
01:29:30,537 --> 01:29:33,128
I don't need to numb out anymore
1183
01:29:33,526 --> 01:29:36,535
I don't need to hide who I am anymore
1184
01:29:36,877 --> 01:29:38,867
I'm not afraid anymore
1185
01:29:40,047 --> 01:29:43,631
Let's say that only the greatest
navigators find new worlds
1186
01:29:45,719 --> 01:29:48,092
but they also find their way home
1187
01:30:02,569 --> 01:30:08,326
It's the day of the Barney Bental
concert at the Port Theater
1188
01:30:08,378 --> 01:30:10,638
I'm going, uh...
1189
01:30:11,245 --> 01:30:13,405
going downtown for an audition
1190
01:30:13,457 --> 01:30:16,466
Woo hoo! I'm technically
a high school grad
1191
01:30:16,519 --> 01:30:20,364
My first audition in probably
15 years or something
1192
01:30:20,416 --> 01:30:25,790
Just a quick hello, I'm off to
VIU today to... this morning to
1193
01:30:25,843 --> 01:30:28,547
um, I think officially register for school
1194
01:30:28,599 --> 01:30:33,594
Today I'm off to court well, to have my
1195
01:30:34,184 --> 01:30:36,335
probation terminated early
1196
01:30:36,387 --> 01:30:39,580
Working on set today,
working on a commercial
1197
01:30:39,632 --> 01:30:42,181
and doing some PA work, so it's super fun
1198
01:30:42,233 --> 01:30:44,999
I got approved
1199
01:30:45,051 --> 01:30:47,978
just awesome to be where I love to be
1200
01:30:48,030 --> 01:30:52,233
August 31st my probation will end
1201
01:30:52,286 --> 01:30:58,049
It's my birthday, happy
birthday to me... 47!
1202
01:30:58,101 --> 01:31:01,493
- Hi Joe, good morning!
Welcome to Alamo City Comic Con!
1203
01:31:01,545 --> 01:31:03,244
Ahhhh! (Laughs)
1204
01:31:03,297 --> 01:31:04,649
I'm having so much fun
1205
01:31:04,701 --> 01:31:06,499
Who doesn't need a golf cart?
1206
01:31:06,551 --> 01:31:11,953
One of the coolest things about today
is that I am two years off of methadone
1207
01:31:12,005 --> 01:31:15,437
Joe Cramer, "Flight of the Navigator"
Hey, who am I? Sam J Jones
1208
01:31:15,489 --> 01:31:16,985
Yeah, Flash Gordon!
1209
01:31:17,037 --> 01:31:19,038
I met some really cool people this morning
1210
01:31:19,091 --> 01:31:22,764
but it's just one of those movies
that you loved as a kid
1211
01:31:22,816 --> 01:31:25,741
and you carried it over into your adulthood
1212
01:31:25,793 --> 01:31:29,088
Here's the Majestic in downtown San Antonio
1213
01:31:29,140 --> 01:31:34,036
And I had, of course, the biggest crush
on Joe, I mean right, what what kid didn't?
1214
01:31:34,088 --> 01:31:37,706
Pretty much, you know, like one
meeting with someone who really
1215
01:31:37,758 --> 01:31:41,517
like, loved "Flight of the Navigator"
and came all this way, it's worth
1216
01:31:41,569 --> 01:31:45,792
like the full day - I could sit here and
not meet another person, and I'd be happy
1217
01:31:45,844 --> 01:31:49,026
"One, two, three...!" (laughs)
1218
01:31:49,426 --> 01:31:54,713
I don't know what I was trying to
say, okay I'm gonna start it over (laughs)
1219
01:31:54,765 --> 01:32:01,303
One of the hardest decisions, and also best
decisions, that I had to make was letting
1220
01:32:01,355 --> 01:32:04,640
Celecta become formally adopted
1221
01:32:04,692 --> 01:32:09,689
I was working hard to stay clean,
and I wanted her to grow up with the
1222
01:32:09,741 --> 01:32:15,650
best possible opportunities, so Celecta's
foster parents - Joanne and Claude
1223
01:32:15,702 --> 01:32:18,495
offered to formally adopt her
1224
01:32:18,547 --> 01:32:24,869
Over the past few years, Celecta and I have
gotten to bond and connect more and more
1225
01:32:24,921 --> 01:32:29,132
I feel so grateful that we did this
1226
01:32:37,770 --> 01:32:42,712
Tonight we're going to have a 35mm presentation
of the classic "Flight of the Navigator"
1227
01:32:42,764 --> 01:32:46,652
followed by the Q&A with our guests,
but I'd like to bring them out now
1228
01:32:46,704 --> 01:32:48,899
to say hello, they'll be sitting with you
1229
01:32:49,659 --> 01:32:54,981
We have the director of this film, the
amazing Randal Kleiser
1230
01:32:57,164 --> 01:33:03,351
We have the casting director Valorie Massalas
is here, put it together for this wonderful cast
1231
01:33:04,418 --> 01:33:11,801
And lastly, we have the navigator
himself, Joe Cramer's here - the Navigator!
1232
01:33:19,016 --> 01:33:22,050
There's a lot of in-jokes in here, you
have "Grease" playing
1233
01:33:22,102 --> 01:33:24,094
Oh yeah, the film was set in 1978
1234
01:33:24,146 --> 01:33:26,130
And you directed an
episode of "Starsky and Hutch"?
1235
01:33:26,155 --> 01:33:28,286
I did...(laughs)
1236
01:33:28,339 --> 01:33:32,418
You were the voice of Johnny 5 in "Short Circuit"
as well, is that correct? Because these people...
1237
01:33:32,443 --> 01:33:39,496
Yes! No disassemble... need input...
1238
01:33:40,537 --> 01:33:47,124
I was sort of thinking like "God, that poor kid,
he thought that hair and those glasses look cool"
1239
01:33:50,714 --> 01:33:54,479
Hi Joey, how are you doing? This
is one of my favorite movies like,
1240
01:33:54,531 --> 01:33:56,720
I'm totally geeking out right now
That's okay
1241
01:34:00,474 --> 01:34:04,108
I'm really proud, and I know I'm really
worthy
1242
01:34:04,160 --> 01:34:08,058
and I totally deserve this, so...
1243
01:34:08,815 --> 01:34:13,174
I want to thank everybody
who never gave up on me
1244
01:34:13,226 --> 01:34:17,579
I know that there's a lot
of you out there, and...
1245
01:34:22,015 --> 01:34:23,600
Thank you
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