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I am still not happy
with this report, Humphrey.
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Then we shall be happy
to redraft it for you.
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- You have redrafted it three times.
- That's not absolutely correct.
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Yes, it is, I can count.
This is the third draft report.
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Therefore
it has been drafted once
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and subsequently
redrafted twice.
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Don't quibble, Bernard.
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We shall be happy
to redraft a third time.
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And a fourth and fifth.
And a sixth, no doubt.
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And it still say
what you want it to say.
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- Not what I want it to say.
- What do you want it to say?
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We want it to say
what you want to.
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Not anything you don't want to.
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Stop wittering!
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The Think Tank asked us
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for our evidence
on Civil Service overmanning.
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I have briefed a group of civil
servants in words of one syllable
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and they've sent back
an unintelligible report,
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saying the exact opposite
of what I asked them to say.
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With respect, how do you know
it says the opposite
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if it's totally unintelligible?
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All I am saying is
that the Civil Service
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is grossly overmanned
and must be slimmed down.
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Quite so.
That is what the report says.
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- No, it doesn't.
- Yes, it does.
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No, it... Look, what I'm talking
about is a phased reduction
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in the Civil Service
of about 200,000 people.
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Are you going to put that
in this report?
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If you were to take
that draft home and study it,
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you might find that it says
what you want it to say.
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- And if it doesn't?
- Then we can redraft it.
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Humphrey, sit down.
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Will you give me a straight
answer to a straight question?
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Oh, well, Minister, as long as
you are not asking me to resort
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to crude generalisations
and vulgar oversimplifications,
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such as a simple yes or no
I shall do my utmost to oblige.
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Is that "yes"?
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- Yes.
- Right.
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- Here is the straight question.
- I thought that was it.
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When you give your evidence,
are you going to support my view
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that the Civil Service
is overmanned or not?
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Yes or no!
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Straight answer!
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If you ask me
for a straight answer
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then I shall say that,
as far as we can see,
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looking at it by an large,
taking one time with another,
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in terms of the average
of departments,
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then in the final analysis
it is probably true to say
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that at the end of the day,
in general terms,
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you would probably find that
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not to put
too fine a point on it,
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there probably wasn't very much
in it one way or the other.
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As far as one can see...
at this stage.
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Is that "yes"? Or "no"?
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Yes and no.
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Suppose you weren't asked
for a straight answer?
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Then I should play for time.
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Sir Humphrey.
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- Ah, Bernard, do sit down.
- Thank you.
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- Good of you to pop in.
- It's my pleasure.
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Bernard, you know
the Department's report
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on the Central Policy
Review staff?
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Er, yes, Sir Humphrey.
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We haven't had it back
from the Minister yet.
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- Er, no, Sir Humphrey.
- Why not?
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Er... perhaps
you should ask the Minister.
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- No, I'm asking you, Bernard.
- Yes, Sir Humphrey.
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You don't seem to be replying.
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Yes and no, Sir Humphrey.
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- Are you trying to be impertinent?
- Oh no.
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I would succeed if I tried.
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- Scotch on the rocks, please.
- Yes, sir. One, sir?
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Yes, just one.
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Has the Minister been doing
his boxes properly?
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- Yes, he's very conscientious.
- Then what's going on?
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- You should ask the Minister.
- I'm asking you.
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But as the Minister's Secretary,
I'm responsible to him.
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But you are also a public servant.
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The average Minister's tenure
is less than eleven months,
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but your career will last
until you're 65, won't it?
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- I hope so. Yes.
- So do I, Bernard.
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However, the choice is yours.
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Er, Sir Humphrey...
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Can I ask you
a hypothetical question?
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That's always a good idea.
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Well, suppose a Minister,
a purely hypothetical Minister,
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were to be unhappy
with a department draft
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of evidence to a committee.
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And suppose that Minister
were planning to replace it
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with his own draft worked out
with his political adviser
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- and his party...
- I can't believe it.
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Oh, no, no.
It's purely hypothetical.
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And suppose that Minister
were planning to bring in
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his own draft so close to the final
date that there won't be any...
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- Wouldn't...
- Wouldn't
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be any time for the Department
to redraft it for him.
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Well?
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Suppose this hypothetical Minister's
Principal Private Secretary
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were to be aware of this
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hypothetical draft,
in confidence of course,
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should he pass on this information
to the Permanent Secretary
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of this hypothetical department?
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Certainly not, Bernard.
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Not if this Principal Private Secretary
had been given
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the information in confidence.
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That's what I thought,
Sir Humphrey.
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Have a drink, Bernard.
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One more thing, Minister.
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The evidence to the Central
Policy Review Staff.
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- You mean the Think Tank?
- Yes, Minister.
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Have you redrafted
the redraft of your draft?
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- You don't want it yet, do you?
- Yes.
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- Why?
- So that we can redraft it.
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- That won't be necessary.
- I think it will.
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Drafting is not a Civil Service
monopoly, you know?
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No, it's a highly
specialised skill
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which few outside
the Service can master.
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Nonsense.
Drafts is easy.
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It's a game anyone can play.
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Not without getting huffed.
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So could I have
the draft proposal, please?
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Certainly, Humphrey.
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- When, Minister?
- Later, Humphrey.
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Yes, but when?
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You always say
we mustn't rush things.
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I must ask you
for a straight answer.
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On what day? Tomorrow?
Monday? Tuesday?
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In due course, Humphrey.
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At the appropriate juncture.
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In the fullness of time.
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When the moment is ripe.
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When the necessary procedures
have been completed.
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Nothing precipitate, of course.
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Minister, this is getting urgent.
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Urgent, Humphrey?
What a lot of new words!
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You'll forgive me if I say this,
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but I am beginning to suspect
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that you are concealing
something from me.
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You and I have no secrets
from each other, have we?
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I'm sorry, but sometimes
one is forced to consider
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the possibility that affairs
are being conducted in a way
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which, all things being considered,
and making all possible allowances,
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is, not to put too fine
a point on it,
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perhaps not entirely straightforward.
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You're the expert
on straightforwardness.
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So what about
the draft evidence?
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Well, since you ask, Humphrey,
and to be perfectly straightforward,
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I have redrafted it myself.
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I don't want you to redraft it.
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I'm perfectly happy
with it as it is.
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May I be bold enough
to ask what you have said?
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What I wanted: Phased
reductions in the Civil Service.
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You have frustrated me
over open government,
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and the economy drive,
this time I'm going to have my way.
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The party wants it,
the public wants it.
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And all we get from the Civil
Service is delaying tactics.
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I wouldn't call Civil Service
delays "tactics", Minister,
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that would be to mistake
lethargy for strategy.
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Very droll.
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But there is a real desire
for radical reform in the air.
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The Select Committee
on Administrative Affairs,
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which I founded,
it's a great success.
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Oh, indeed,
what has it achieved?
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Nothing yet.
But the party's very pleased with it.
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Why?
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Ten column inches
in last Monday's Daily Mail.
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The government measures
its success in column inches?
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Yes... no...
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Yes and no!
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Minister, the evidence
that you are proposing to submit
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is not only untrue, it is also,
which is much more serious, unwise.
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Now, we have been
through all this before.
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The expansion
of the Civil Service
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is the result
of parliamentary legislation,
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not bureaucratic empire building.
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So you want me to tell
Parliament that it's their fault
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that the Civil Service is too big?
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- But it's the truth.
- I don't want the truth.
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I want something
I can tell Parliament.
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Humphrey, you are supposed
to enact my policies.
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Yet, you seem implacably
opposed to them.
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I must know where
you stand on all this.
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Where one stands, Minister,
depends upon where one sits.
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Am I to infer
that you will not support me?
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We will always support you,
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but as your standard bearer
not as you pall bearer.
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What are you saying?
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I should have thought
is crystal clear.
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Do not send this report to a body
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whose recommendations
are to be published!
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That is exactly
why I'm sending it.
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I don't want to hear any more.
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- May I say just one more thing?
- If it's in plain English.
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Very well, Minister.
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If you are going to do
this damn silly thing,
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don't do it
in this damn silly way.
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Minister,
you'll be late for Cabinet.
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Oh, yes. Cabinet.
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What are we talking about?
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Your proposals to close down
the Land Registry.
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My proposal...?
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Reducing the autonomous
Government Departments.
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- It was your proposal.
- You have initialled it.
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- Oh, have I? What's in it?
- It'll all go through on the nod.
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- Got all the stuff?
- Yes.
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Come on then, mustn't be late.
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Humpy...
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Have you written your evidence
to the Think Tank yet?
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- More or less.
- What do you mean?
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- The Minister's written it.
- Humpy!
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Yes, I know. All very unwise.
But he insisted.
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He's been working at nothing else
for more than a week now.
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You should never let Ministers
get so deeply involved.
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The next thing you know
they'll be dictating policy.
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Yes, I know.
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- Is this a lengthy Cabinet?
- I don't think so.
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Ghastly waste of time.
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Yes, but if we're not here
to hold their hands,
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God knows
what they might not get up to?
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Excuse me, Jumbo.
Yes, Minister?
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I'm recommending to Cabinet
to close down the Land Registry.
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- Why?
- Why?
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Why are we closing it
or bringing it to Cabinet?
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- What?
- What?
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Why am I recommending it?
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- Surely you know.
- No, that's why I'm asking.
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You said it would go
through on the nod,
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now the PM's started
asking questions.
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And I haven't read my proposal.
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There was a 9.75 rise in autonomous
Government Departments.
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Yes, of course. Thank you.
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I'm sorry, Jumbo...
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Helping to restrict
the autonomous departments?
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That should find favour
with the PM policy-wise.
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Oh? Why?
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Very fashionable simplifying
the Civil Service
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especially with this Think Tank
recommendation.
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- But they haven't reported.
- Yes, they have, unofficially...
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They haven't taken
all the evidence yet.
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The Central Policy Review Staff
don't sully their elevated minds
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with anything as sordid as evidence.
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You may take it that
they'll be advising the PM
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to simplify the administration
of government.
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Well, that'll keep me busy.
Ah, well.
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I shouldn't count on it.
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You surely don't expect me,
the PM's Senior Policy Adviser,
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to betray confidences.
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Not to your colleagues, certainly.
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No doubt the grapevine
would inform you by lunchtime.
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Inform?
Inform us of what?
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Your Minister is seeking
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to reduce overmanning
in the Civil Service.
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Well, he's going to get his way.
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Treasury, the Home Office
and the Civil Service
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have all proposed to abolish your
Department of Administrative Affairs
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and the PM is smiling on the plan.
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- That's absurd.
- Clean. Dramatic.
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Very popular politically.
No real inconvenience.
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All your functions could be
subsumed by other departments.
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Jim Hacker will win through
with a self sacrificing policy.
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The PM will probably
kick him upstairs.
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Lord Hacker of Kamikaze.
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I hardly think that's funny,
Daniel or likely.
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Why not? He ran the leadership
campaign against the PM.
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This could be the PM's masterstroke
in one fell swoop.
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Approbation, elevation
and castration.
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You know the PM's motto
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"In Defeat, malice.
In Victory, revenge".
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Abolish my Department.
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Out of the question.
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Simply can't be done.
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I'm sure you know best.
273
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By the way, there's a job centre
in the Horseferry Road.
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The No. 19 Bus
stops right outside.
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- I'm appalled.
- You're appalled?
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I'm appalled.
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00:14:19,162 --> 00:14:22,711
I just can't believe it.
I'm... I'm appalled.
278
00:14:24,002 --> 00:14:27,597
- What do you make of it?
- I'm appalled, Minister.
279
00:14:29,162 --> 00:14:31,198
So am I. Appalled!
280
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It's appalling.
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00:14:38,682 --> 00:14:39,956
Appalling.
282
00:14:40,202 --> 00:14:42,511
I just don't know
how to describe it.
283
00:14:42,682 --> 00:14:43,876
Appalling?
284
00:14:44,122 --> 00:14:46,078
Appalling.
But I mean is it true?
285
00:14:46,242 --> 00:14:47,960
Sure he wasn't having you on?
286
00:14:48,122 --> 00:14:50,238
They can't abolish
this entire department.
287
00:14:50,402 --> 00:14:52,040
It rings true, doesn't it?
288
00:14:52,202 --> 00:14:54,432
I've just see the joint
departmental proposal.
289
00:14:54,602 --> 00:14:56,479
Whitehall's full of proposals.
290
00:14:56,642 --> 00:14:58,917
Daniel Hughes
is very close to the PM.
291
00:14:59,082 --> 00:15:01,721
What's going to happen?
Where will I go?
292
00:15:01,882 --> 00:15:04,396
Well, there is a rumour,
Minister...
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00:15:04,802 --> 00:15:06,315
Rumour? What rumour?
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00:15:06,962 --> 00:15:09,999
Minister with responsibility
for Industrial Harmony.
295
00:15:10,162 --> 00:15:11,959
Industrial harmony?
296
00:15:12,762 --> 00:15:15,356
You know what that means.
That means strikes!
297
00:15:16,762 --> 00:15:19,720
Every strike in Great Britain
will be my fault.
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00:15:20,282 --> 00:15:21,510
Oh, marvellous.
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00:15:21,682 --> 00:15:23,718
Have you considered
what might happen to me?
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00:15:23,962 --> 00:15:27,398
- No. What?
- I shall be sent to Ag and Fish.
301
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The rest of my career dedicated
to arguing about the cod quota.
302
00:15:32,322 --> 00:15:33,835
And as for you, Bernard,
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if your Minister bites the dust
your reputation as a high flyer
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will be hit for six.
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00:15:40,682 --> 00:15:42,115
You'll spend your career
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00:15:42,282 --> 00:15:44,637
in the Vehicle Licensing Centre
in Swansea.
307
00:15:47,362 --> 00:15:49,432
- It's your fault.
- My fault?
308
00:15:49,602 --> 00:15:52,674
It was your proposal to reduce
the autonomous departments.
309
00:15:52,842 --> 00:15:55,914
You proposed phased reductions
of the Civil Service.
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00:15:56,082 --> 00:15:59,392
Don't let's argue about that.
What are we going to do?
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We could put a paper up.
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Up what?
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- Brilliant!
- Have you any suggestions?
314
00:16:13,842 --> 00:16:16,310
- I don't know, I'm...
- Appalled?
315
00:16:18,122 --> 00:16:21,159
I do think that we should work
together on this.
316
00:16:21,322 --> 00:16:23,392
- I've heard that before.
- What do you mean?
317
00:16:23,562 --> 00:16:26,235
You telling me what to do,
me doing it.
318
00:16:26,402 --> 00:16:28,597
- That isn't true.
- You've no suggestions?
319
00:16:28,762 --> 00:16:31,117
Bernard could fetch
your Political Adviser.
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00:16:31,282 --> 00:16:34,718
- You want me to consult Frank?
- Yes, Minister.
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00:16:35,242 --> 00:16:37,198
And Minister, with respect...
322
00:16:37,362 --> 00:16:40,160
Don't use that language to me,
Humphrey.
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00:16:40,322 --> 00:16:42,916
- What language?
- I know what "with respect" means.
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That anything I suggest
is beneath contempt.
325
00:16:46,282 --> 00:16:47,840
Ah, Minister.
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00:16:48,002 --> 00:16:50,357
I really do mean
that we should work together.
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00:16:51,122 --> 00:16:53,556
- I need you.
- Do you mean that?
328
00:16:55,202 --> 00:16:58,831
- Yes, Minister.
- Humphrey, how very nice of you.
329
00:17:00,042 --> 00:17:03,273
Minister, if the Prime Minister
is behind a scheme,
330
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Whitehall on its own
cannot block it.
331
00:17:06,042 --> 00:17:10,593
Cabinet Ministers' schemes
are easily blocked... redrafted,
332
00:17:10,802 --> 00:17:12,872
but the Prime Minister
is another matter.
333
00:17:13,042 --> 00:17:15,795
We need to fight this
in Westminster and in Whitehall.
334
00:17:15,962 --> 00:17:18,920
And Weisel might be able
to mobilise the backbenchers.
335
00:17:19,082 --> 00:17:22,677
Yes. And he might be able
to mobilise the Press.
336
00:17:23,202 --> 00:17:25,397
- You've heard the news?
- Bernard just told me.
337
00:17:25,562 --> 00:17:27,120
What do you suggest?
338
00:17:27,842 --> 00:17:30,800
I can't think of anything...
I'm appalled.
339
00:17:32,962 --> 00:17:35,237
Mustn't all flap around
like a lot of wet hens.
340
00:17:35,402 --> 00:17:37,632
We've got to save
this Department.
341
00:17:37,802 --> 00:17:39,952
I want you to get
to the backbenchers
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00:17:40,122 --> 00:17:42,920
to put a stop to this thing
before it starts.
343
00:17:43,082 --> 00:17:47,121
I'm sorry, but you can't stop
something before it starts.
344
00:17:47,362 --> 00:17:49,000
Thank you. Frank...
345
00:17:50,322 --> 00:17:54,281
It won't be that easy.
It will be a very popular move.
346
00:17:54,442 --> 00:17:56,319
A publicity campaign?
You know:
347
00:17:56,482 --> 00:17:59,042
"Administration Saves the Nation"
"Red Tape is Fun".
348
00:17:59,202 --> 00:18:01,318
Full page ads in...
349
00:18:02,962 --> 00:18:04,315
It was just an idea.
350
00:18:04,482 --> 00:18:06,120
"Red Tape is fun"?
351
00:18:07,322 --> 00:18:10,314
What about "Red Tape holds
the Nation together"?
352
00:18:13,682 --> 00:18:17,834
Well, there's no doubt about it,
the writing's on the wall.
353
00:18:18,282 --> 00:18:21,718
The public should think kindly
towards Administration,
354
00:18:21,882 --> 00:18:24,271
- because of the Europass.
- Quite.
355
00:18:24,442 --> 00:18:26,876
- Europass?
- European Identity Card.
356
00:18:27,682 --> 00:18:29,559
You've informed the Minister?
357
00:18:29,722 --> 00:18:31,314
Didn't you do your boxes?
358
00:18:31,482 --> 00:18:34,076
No, I was redrafting
the redraft of the draft.
359
00:18:34,522 --> 00:18:36,672
Well, Brussels is about to decree
360
00:18:36,842 --> 00:18:39,402
that there is to be a new
European Identity Card
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00:18:39,562 --> 00:18:42,713
to be carried
by all citizens of the E.E.C.
362
00:18:42,882 --> 00:18:45,316
The Foreign Office
is ready to go along with it
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00:18:45,482 --> 00:18:48,440
as a quid pro quo for a deal
over the butter mountain,
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00:18:48,602 --> 00:18:50,911
the wine lake,
and the milk ocean,
365
00:18:52,922 --> 00:18:55,117
the lamb war, and the cod stink.
366
00:18:56,202 --> 00:18:59,751
And the Prime Minister wants you
to introduce the legislation.
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00:18:59,922 --> 00:19:01,150
- Me?
- Yes.
368
00:19:01,322 --> 00:19:03,233
You're pro Europe, you see.
369
00:19:03,682 --> 00:19:06,071
And it would simplify
our administration.
370
00:19:06,242 --> 00:19:08,517
- So it's a good idea.
- Good idea?
371
00:19:08,682 --> 00:19:10,559
- Good idea?
- Good idea?
372
00:19:10,922 --> 00:19:13,311
- Not a good idea?
- Political suicide!
373
00:19:13,482 --> 00:19:17,191
Trying to make British people
carry Identification Papers?
374
00:19:17,362 --> 00:19:19,114
They'll call it a Police State.
375
00:19:19,282 --> 00:19:22,035
Is this what we fought
two world wars for?
376
00:19:22,202 --> 00:19:25,035
It's little more than a sort
of driving license.
377
00:19:25,202 --> 00:19:27,158
It's the last nail in my coffin.
378
00:19:27,322 --> 00:19:29,916
You might get away
with calling it "Euroclub Express".
379
00:19:30,082 --> 00:19:32,152
Bernard,
either shut up or get out!
380
00:19:34,002 --> 00:19:36,994
Can't the Foreign Office
introduce it?
381
00:19:37,162 --> 00:19:39,630
That was the Prime Minister's
suggestion,
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00:19:39,802 --> 00:19:42,953
but for the Foreign Secretary
it was a Home Office matter
383
00:19:43,122 --> 00:19:45,590
and for the Home Office
it was essentially
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00:19:45,762 --> 00:19:47,957
and administrative matter,
and the PM agreed.
385
00:19:48,122 --> 00:19:49,521
Pass the parcel.
386
00:19:49,682 --> 00:19:52,276
Can you blame them
when you can hear it ticking?
387
00:19:53,602 --> 00:19:56,400
The identity card bill
is planned to be
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00:19:56,562 --> 00:19:59,156
the last action
of this Department.
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00:19:59,322 --> 00:20:01,472
Wonderful ammunition
for the anti Europeans.
390
00:20:01,642 --> 00:20:05,271
Don't the Foreign Office realise
the damage to the European idea?
391
00:20:05,442 --> 00:20:07,558
That's why they support it.
392
00:20:08,362 --> 00:20:10,922
The Foreign Office is pro Europe,
isn't it?
393
00:20:11,402 --> 00:20:14,838
Yes and no...
if you'll forgive the expression.
394
00:20:15,362 --> 00:20:19,275
The Foreign Office is pro Europe
because it is really anti Europe.
395
00:20:20,002 --> 00:20:23,074
The Civil Service was united
in its desire to make sure
396
00:20:23,242 --> 00:20:25,392
that the Common Market
didn't work.
397
00:20:26,122 --> 00:20:29,034
- That's why we went into it.
- What are you talking about?
398
00:20:29,202 --> 00:20:33,161
Minister, Britain has had
the same foreign policy objective
399
00:20:33,322 --> 00:20:35,677
for at least the last 500 years:
400
00:20:36,442 --> 00:20:38,478
To create a disunited Europe.
401
00:20:39,562 --> 00:20:42,281
We have fought with the Dutch
against the Spanish,
402
00:20:42,442 --> 00:20:45,002
with the Germans
against the French
403
00:20:45,162 --> 00:20:48,199
and with the French against
the Germans and the Italians.
404
00:20:48,362 --> 00:20:50,193
Divide and rule, you see.
405
00:20:50,362 --> 00:20:53,877
Why should we change now,
when it's worked so well?
406
00:20:54,042 --> 00:20:56,317
That's all ancient history surely?
407
00:20:56,482 --> 00:20:58,438
Yes, and current policy.
408
00:20:59,082 --> 00:21:02,961
We had to break the whole thing up,
so we had to get inside.
409
00:21:03,122 --> 00:21:06,000
We tried from the outside,
but it wouldn't work.
410
00:21:06,202 --> 00:21:10,673
Now, we can make a complete
pig's breakfast of the whole thing.
411
00:21:11,362 --> 00:21:13,637
Set the Germans
against the French,
412
00:21:13,802 --> 00:21:16,077
the Italians against the Dutch...
413
00:21:16,242 --> 00:21:20,394
The Foreign Office is terribly
pleased, it's just like old times.
414
00:21:21,282 --> 00:21:24,194
But we're all committed
to the European ideal.
415
00:21:24,362 --> 00:21:26,398
Really, Minister.
416
00:21:27,522 --> 00:21:30,161
Why are we pressing
for an increase in the membership?
417
00:21:30,322 --> 00:21:33,758
For the same reason.
It's just like the United Nations.
418
00:21:33,922 --> 00:21:37,073
The more members it has,
the more arguments it can stir up,
419
00:21:37,242 --> 00:21:39,597
the more futile
and impotent it becomes.
420
00:21:40,002 --> 00:21:42,391
- What appalling cynicism.
- Yes.
421
00:21:43,162 --> 00:21:45,118
We call it diplomacy, Minister.
422
00:21:45,922 --> 00:21:49,198
How will the other countries
feel about identity papers?
423
00:21:49,362 --> 00:21:50,715
Won't they resist too?
424
00:21:50,882 --> 00:21:53,840
The Germans will love it,
the French will ignore it,
425
00:21:54,002 --> 00:21:57,551
and the Italians and the Irish
will be too chaotic to enforce it.
426
00:21:57,962 --> 00:22:00,157
Only the British will resent it.
427
00:22:00,482 --> 00:22:04,475
- It's a plot to get rid of me.
- They'll abolish your Department.
428
00:22:04,642 --> 00:22:07,156
Perhaps the PM wants
to make absolutely certain.
429
00:22:07,322 --> 00:22:10,951
- Don't be so paranoid.
- Everyone is plotting against me.
430
00:22:11,122 --> 00:22:14,353
- We're on your side, Minister.
- Yes, Minister.
431
00:22:14,882 --> 00:22:18,431
- Martin will be on outside.
- Yes, where is Martin?
432
00:22:18,602 --> 00:22:22,356
I think he's in the House,
Minister, where you ought to be.
433
00:22:22,602 --> 00:22:24,160
Let's go and see him.
434
00:22:26,522 --> 00:22:28,319
This is appalling, Jim.
435
00:22:28,482 --> 00:22:30,871
- You've done a Samson act.
- Samson?
436
00:22:31,042 --> 00:22:34,478
You've reduced
the Civil Service bureaucracy.
437
00:22:34,642 --> 00:22:37,998
You've pulled the superstructure
down and buried yourself.
438
00:22:38,202 --> 00:22:40,762
- A Pyrrhic victory.
- No ideas?
439
00:22:40,922 --> 00:22:44,119
- I'd help if I could, but...
- But the Europass...
440
00:22:44,282 --> 00:22:45,920
It doesn't make sense.
441
00:22:46,082 --> 00:22:49,040
Why can't the PM see the damage?
442
00:22:49,202 --> 00:22:52,592
Yes, this Europass issue
is the biggest disaster
443
00:22:52,762 --> 00:22:55,196
since I asked to join the Cabinet.
444
00:22:55,362 --> 00:22:58,001
I don't think you quite mean that.
445
00:22:58,162 --> 00:23:00,995
Everybody knows
this Europass thing won't happen.
446
00:23:01,162 --> 00:23:04,996
The PM's got to play along with it
because of the Napoleon Prize.
447
00:23:05,162 --> 00:23:06,162
Napoleon Prize?
448
00:23:06,322 --> 00:23:09,234
A NATO Award
given once every five years.
449
00:23:09,402 --> 00:23:11,711
Gold medal,
big ceremony in Brussels.
450
00:23:11,882 --> 00:23:14,032
The PM's the front runner this time.
451
00:23:14,202 --> 00:23:18,320
It's for the statesman who has
contributed most to European unity.
452
00:23:18,482 --> 00:23:21,554
Since Napoleon.
That is if you don't count Hitler.
453
00:23:23,242 --> 00:23:24,357
So? What...?
454
00:23:24,522 --> 00:23:27,195
The awards committee
sits in six weeks.
455
00:23:27,362 --> 00:23:30,274
The PM isn't going to rock
the boat until it's in the bag.
456
00:23:30,442 --> 00:23:32,398
You don't put boats in bags.
457
00:23:32,722 --> 00:23:34,678
- What's that Bernard?
- Nothing, Minister.
458
00:23:35,202 --> 00:23:38,956
Once the prize is awarded,
the PM will dump the Europasses.
459
00:23:39,122 --> 00:23:43,912
How many people know about
the winner of the Napoleon Prize?
460
00:23:44,082 --> 00:23:45,879
- It's top secret.
- You mean everyone.
461
00:23:46,042 --> 00:23:49,159
- No, top secret top secret.
- That's it then.
462
00:23:49,322 --> 00:23:51,153
- Humphrey, don't you see?
- See what?
463
00:23:51,322 --> 00:23:54,598
- Backbenchers. Leaks.
- The Welsh Nationalist party?
464
00:23:54,762 --> 00:23:55,911
No. No. No.
465
00:23:58,602 --> 00:24:00,320
Oh, I'll come back later.
466
00:24:00,482 --> 00:24:03,042
No. No.
Don't go, the very man.
467
00:24:03,202 --> 00:24:04,760
Come on in, Daniel.
468
00:24:04,962 --> 00:24:08,716
- I want to ask your advice.
- I'll give any help I can.
469
00:24:08,882 --> 00:24:12,591
But if it's about shutting stable
doors after horses have bolted,
470
00:24:12,762 --> 00:24:14,718
even I am powerless to help.
471
00:24:14,882 --> 00:24:17,316
You won't be powerless
in this case.
472
00:24:17,482 --> 00:24:20,394
It's really a sort of moral dilemma.
473
00:24:20,642 --> 00:24:22,951
Supposing a backbencher
were to put down
474
00:24:23,122 --> 00:24:26,876
a question for the Prime Minister,
asking whether the Europass...
475
00:24:27,042 --> 00:24:29,761
Which backbencher?
Europass is top secret.
476
00:24:29,922 --> 00:24:33,437
You mean like the winner
of the Napoleon Prize is top secret?
477
00:24:33,602 --> 00:24:36,275
The Minister meant
a hypothetical backbencher.
478
00:24:36,442 --> 00:24:38,273
Quite so, Bernard.
Thank you.
479
00:24:38,442 --> 00:24:40,433
A hypothetical backbencher.
480
00:24:40,602 --> 00:24:42,320
And a hypothetical question
481
00:24:42,482 --> 00:24:46,077
asking whether or not Britain
was going to adopt the Europass.
482
00:24:46,442 --> 00:24:50,037
- Highly improbable.
- Oh, I agree. Highly improbable.
483
00:24:50,202 --> 00:24:52,716
But suppose the PM
were to answer yes,
484
00:24:52,922 --> 00:24:55,561
it would be very damaging
in the country?
485
00:24:56,442 --> 00:24:57,477
Yes.
486
00:24:57,682 --> 00:24:59,479
And if the PM were to answer no
487
00:24:59,642 --> 00:25:02,031
it would be very damaging
in Europe?
488
00:25:02,642 --> 00:25:04,598
To the PM personally.
489
00:25:05,482 --> 00:25:07,791
Napoleon prize-wise.
490
00:25:09,362 --> 00:25:12,434
Now, if a hypothetical Minister
were to get to hear
491
00:25:12,602 --> 00:25:16,390
of this hypothetical question
in advance, what should he do?
492
00:25:17,482 --> 00:25:19,677
The only course
would be to ensure
493
00:25:19,842 --> 00:25:22,037
that the question
was not tabled.
494
00:25:22,202 --> 00:25:25,035
Serious business,
suppressing an MP's question.
495
00:25:25,202 --> 00:25:26,840
There is no other course.
496
00:25:27,442 --> 00:25:30,718
The only way to stop him
might be to get him
497
00:25:30,882 --> 00:25:34,079
to put down a question asking
the Prime Minister
498
00:25:34,282 --> 00:25:37,115
to squash the rumours
about the closure
499
00:25:37,402 --> 00:25:40,235
of the Department
for Administrative Affairs.
500
00:25:40,682 --> 00:25:43,754
Oh, but I'm sure...
whatever made you think...
501
00:25:45,082 --> 00:25:47,232
anything but the fullest support...
502
00:25:47,402 --> 00:25:51,634
You said that a plan to abolish
the Department had been put up,
503
00:25:51,802 --> 00:25:53,793
and the PM was smiling on it.
504
00:25:53,962 --> 00:25:56,522
No, smiling at it!
Smiling at it, not on it.
505
00:25:58,162 --> 00:26:00,437
The whole idea was ridiculous.
506
00:26:00,602 --> 00:26:03,036
Laughable.
Out of the question.
507
00:26:03,362 --> 00:26:04,636
A joke.
508
00:26:04,922 --> 00:26:06,071
A joke?
509
00:26:06,482 --> 00:26:07,961
You didn't imagine...
510
00:26:08,122 --> 00:26:12,718
So that a minute from the Prime
Minister's office confirming this,
511
00:26:12,882 --> 00:26:16,875
and squashing the rumour,
will be circulated to all departments
512
00:26:17,042 --> 00:26:18,634
within 24 hours.
513
00:26:19,122 --> 00:26:23,035
So that we can all share it,
joke-wise I mean!
514
00:26:25,602 --> 00:26:27,877
Do you really think it's necessary?
515
00:26:28,162 --> 00:26:29,356
Yes.
516
00:26:30,002 --> 00:26:32,675
Well, I'm sure something
can be arranged.
517
00:26:32,842 --> 00:26:34,321
If you'll excuse me.
518
00:26:34,722 --> 00:26:36,121
Checkmate, I think.
519
00:26:36,802 --> 00:26:38,679
Game, set and match.
520
00:26:38,842 --> 00:26:40,514
Can Daniel Hughes fix this?
521
00:26:40,682 --> 00:26:42,957
Don't Prime Ministers
have minds of their own?
522
00:26:43,202 --> 00:26:44,317
Certainly.
523
00:26:44,482 --> 00:26:47,474
But as President Nixon's
henchmen once said:
524
00:26:47,642 --> 00:26:52,796
"When you've got them by the balls,
their hearts and minds will follow".
525
00:26:54,122 --> 00:26:55,760
Isn't that right?
526
00:26:55,922 --> 00:26:57,275
Yes, Minister.
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