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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:46,242 --> 00:00:48,757 I am still not happy with this report, Humphrey. 2 00:00:48,922 --> 00:00:51,482 Then we shall be happy to redraft it for you. 3 00:00:51,642 --> 00:00:54,998 - You have redrafted it three times. - That's not absolutely correct. 4 00:00:55,162 --> 00:00:58,234 Yes, it is, I can count. This is the third draft report. 5 00:00:58,402 --> 00:01:00,233 Therefore it has been drafted once 6 00:01:00,402 --> 00:01:02,279 and subsequently redrafted twice. 7 00:01:02,442 --> 00:01:03,841 Don't quibble, Bernard. 8 00:01:04,682 --> 00:01:06,673 We shall be happy to redraft a third time. 9 00:01:06,842 --> 00:01:09,151 And a fourth and fifth. And a sixth, no doubt. 10 00:01:09,322 --> 00:01:11,836 And it still say what you want it to say. 11 00:01:12,002 --> 00:01:14,800 - Not what I want it to say. - What do you want it to say? 12 00:01:14,962 --> 00:01:16,759 We want it to say what you want to. 13 00:01:16,922 --> 00:01:19,231 Not anything you don't want to. 14 00:01:19,402 --> 00:01:20,994 Stop wittering! 15 00:01:23,122 --> 00:01:24,601 The Think Tank asked us 16 00:01:24,762 --> 00:01:27,401 for our evidence on Civil Service overmanning. 17 00:01:27,562 --> 00:01:31,191 I have briefed a group of civil servants in words of one syllable 18 00:01:31,362 --> 00:01:34,001 and they've sent back an unintelligible report, 19 00:01:34,162 --> 00:01:37,040 saying the exact opposite of what I asked them to say. 20 00:01:37,202 --> 00:01:40,080 With respect, how do you know it says the opposite 21 00:01:40,242 --> 00:01:42,039 if it's totally unintelligible? 22 00:01:42,762 --> 00:01:44,957 All I am saying is that the Civil Service 23 00:01:45,122 --> 00:01:47,682 is grossly overmanned and must be slimmed down. 24 00:01:47,842 --> 00:01:49,878 Quite so. That is what the report says. 25 00:01:50,042 --> 00:01:51,873 - No, it doesn't. - Yes, it does. 26 00:01:52,042 --> 00:01:55,876 No, it... Look, what I'm talking about is a phased reduction 27 00:01:56,042 --> 00:01:58,681 in the Civil Service of about 200,000 people. 28 00:01:58,842 --> 00:02:00,719 Are you going to put that in this report? 29 00:02:01,082 --> 00:02:03,721 If you were to take that draft home and study it, 30 00:02:03,882 --> 00:02:07,192 you might find that it says what you want it to say. 31 00:02:07,402 --> 00:02:10,235 - And if it doesn't? - Then we can redraft it. 32 00:02:11,122 --> 00:02:12,840 Humphrey, sit down. 33 00:02:13,922 --> 00:02:16,914 Will you give me a straight answer to a straight question? 34 00:02:17,882 --> 00:02:21,921 Oh, well, Minister, as long as you are not asking me to resort 35 00:02:22,082 --> 00:02:25,438 to crude generalisations and vulgar oversimplifications, 36 00:02:25,602 --> 00:02:28,753 such as a simple yes or no I shall do my utmost to oblige. 37 00:02:29,962 --> 00:02:31,156 Is that "yes"? 38 00:02:36,682 --> 00:02:37,910 - Yes. - Right. 39 00:02:38,082 --> 00:02:41,154 - Here is the straight question. - I thought that was it. 40 00:02:42,762 --> 00:02:46,391 When you give your evidence, are you going to support my view 41 00:02:46,562 --> 00:02:49,474 that the Civil Service is overmanned or not? 42 00:02:49,762 --> 00:02:50,797 Yes or no! 43 00:02:51,242 --> 00:02:52,641 Straight answer! 44 00:02:53,202 --> 00:02:55,762 If you ask me for a straight answer 45 00:02:55,922 --> 00:02:58,994 then I shall say that, as far as we can see, 46 00:02:59,162 --> 00:03:02,757 looking at it by an large, taking one time with another, 47 00:03:02,922 --> 00:03:04,992 in terms of the average of departments, 48 00:03:05,162 --> 00:03:08,154 then in the final analysis it is probably true to say 49 00:03:08,322 --> 00:03:11,155 that at the end of the day, in general terms, 50 00:03:11,322 --> 00:03:13,040 you would probably find that 51 00:03:13,202 --> 00:03:15,238 not to put too fine a point on it, 52 00:03:15,402 --> 00:03:18,553 there probably wasn't very much in it one way or the other. 53 00:03:20,282 --> 00:03:23,115 As far as one can see... at this stage. 54 00:03:24,402 --> 00:03:26,279 Is that "yes"? Or "no"? 55 00:03:28,442 --> 00:03:29,921 Yes and no. 56 00:03:30,722 --> 00:03:33,190 Suppose you weren't asked for a straight answer? 57 00:03:33,562 --> 00:03:35,632 Then I should play for time. 58 00:03:40,602 --> 00:03:41,717 Sir Humphrey. 59 00:03:41,882 --> 00:03:45,113 - Ah, Bernard, do sit down. - Thank you. 60 00:03:46,482 --> 00:03:48,757 - Good of you to pop in. - It's my pleasure. 61 00:03:49,042 --> 00:03:52,318 Bernard, you know the Department's report 62 00:03:52,482 --> 00:03:54,791 on the Central Policy Review staff? 63 00:03:55,002 --> 00:03:56,401 Er, yes, Sir Humphrey. 64 00:03:56,562 --> 00:03:58,598 We haven't had it back from the Minister yet. 65 00:03:58,762 --> 00:04:00,992 - Er, no, Sir Humphrey. - Why not? 66 00:04:01,162 --> 00:04:04,950 Er... perhaps you should ask the Minister. 67 00:04:05,282 --> 00:04:08,354 - No, I'm asking you, Bernard. - Yes, Sir Humphrey. 68 00:04:09,562 --> 00:04:11,678 You don't seem to be replying. 69 00:04:12,842 --> 00:04:14,833 Yes and no, Sir Humphrey. 70 00:04:16,522 --> 00:04:19,400 - Are you trying to be impertinent? - Oh no. 71 00:04:19,562 --> 00:04:21,439 I would succeed if I tried. 72 00:04:23,642 --> 00:04:26,952 - Scotch on the rocks, please. - Yes, sir. One, sir? 73 00:04:27,122 --> 00:04:28,601 Yes, just one. 74 00:04:30,282 --> 00:04:33,115 Has the Minister been doing his boxes properly? 75 00:04:33,282 --> 00:04:35,921 - Yes, he's very conscientious. - Then what's going on? 76 00:04:36,722 --> 00:04:39,361 - You should ask the Minister. - I'm asking you. 77 00:04:39,522 --> 00:04:42,719 But as the Minister's Secretary, I'm responsible to him. 78 00:04:42,882 --> 00:04:44,793 But you are also a public servant. 79 00:04:45,402 --> 00:04:49,031 The average Minister's tenure is less than eleven months, 80 00:04:49,202 --> 00:04:52,274 but your career will last until you're 65, won't it? 81 00:04:52,442 --> 00:04:54,831 - I hope so. Yes. - So do I, Bernard. 82 00:04:56,682 --> 00:05:00,118 However, the choice is yours. 83 00:05:02,482 --> 00:05:04,359 Er, Sir Humphrey... 84 00:05:05,802 --> 00:05:08,714 Can I ask you a hypothetical question? 85 00:05:10,082 --> 00:05:11,993 That's always a good idea. 86 00:05:12,722 --> 00:05:16,351 Well, suppose a Minister, a purely hypothetical Minister, 87 00:05:16,522 --> 00:05:19,082 were to be unhappy with a department draft 88 00:05:19,242 --> 00:05:20,914 of evidence to a committee. 89 00:05:21,722 --> 00:05:25,840 And suppose that Minister were planning to replace it 90 00:05:26,002 --> 00:05:29,631 with his own draft worked out with his political adviser 91 00:05:29,802 --> 00:05:31,997 - and his party... - I can't believe it. 92 00:05:32,162 --> 00:05:34,881 Oh, no, no. It's purely hypothetical. 93 00:05:35,082 --> 00:05:38,836 And suppose that Minister were planning to bring in 94 00:05:39,002 --> 00:05:43,041 his own draft so close to the final date that there won't be any... 95 00:05:43,442 --> 00:05:44,716 - Wouldn't... - Wouldn't 96 00:05:44,882 --> 00:05:48,033 be any time for the Department to redraft it for him. 97 00:05:48,482 --> 00:05:49,551 Well? 98 00:05:49,722 --> 00:05:54,352 Suppose this hypothetical Minister's Principal Private Secretary 99 00:05:54,522 --> 00:05:56,399 were to be aware of this 100 00:05:56,562 --> 00:05:59,679 hypothetical draft, in confidence of course, 101 00:05:59,842 --> 00:06:03,391 should he pass on this information to the Permanent Secretary 102 00:06:03,562 --> 00:06:05,757 of this hypothetical department? 103 00:06:05,962 --> 00:06:07,475 Certainly not, Bernard. 104 00:06:07,762 --> 00:06:10,674 Not if this Principal Private Secretary had been given 105 00:06:10,842 --> 00:06:12,753 the information in confidence. 106 00:06:12,922 --> 00:06:15,038 That's what I thought, Sir Humphrey. 107 00:06:17,122 --> 00:06:18,953 Have a drink, Bernard. 108 00:06:20,602 --> 00:06:22,081 One more thing, Minister. 109 00:06:22,242 --> 00:06:24,437 The evidence to the Central Policy Review Staff. 110 00:06:24,602 --> 00:06:26,638 - You mean the Think Tank? - Yes, Minister. 111 00:06:26,802 --> 00:06:29,714 Have you redrafted the redraft of your draft? 112 00:06:29,882 --> 00:06:31,873 - You don't want it yet, do you? - Yes. 113 00:06:32,042 --> 00:06:33,919 - Why? - So that we can redraft it. 114 00:06:34,082 --> 00:06:36,198 - That won't be necessary. - I think it will. 115 00:06:36,602 --> 00:06:39,480 Drafting is not a Civil Service monopoly, you know? 116 00:06:39,642 --> 00:06:41,234 No, it's a highly specialised skill 117 00:06:41,402 --> 00:06:43,552 which few outside the Service can master. 118 00:06:43,722 --> 00:06:45,440 Nonsense. Drafts is easy. 119 00:06:45,602 --> 00:06:47,194 It's a game anyone can play. 120 00:06:49,922 --> 00:06:51,958 Not without getting huffed. 121 00:06:53,122 --> 00:06:56,751 So could I have the draft proposal, please? 122 00:06:56,922 --> 00:06:58,355 Certainly, Humphrey. 123 00:06:58,802 --> 00:07:01,316 - When, Minister? - Later, Humphrey. 124 00:07:01,482 --> 00:07:02,756 Yes, but when? 125 00:07:02,922 --> 00:07:04,833 You always say we mustn't rush things. 126 00:07:05,002 --> 00:07:07,232 I must ask you for a straight answer. 127 00:07:07,402 --> 00:07:09,757 On what day? Tomorrow? Monday? Tuesday? 128 00:07:10,242 --> 00:07:11,994 In due course, Humphrey. 129 00:07:12,322 --> 00:07:14,074 At the appropriate juncture. 130 00:07:14,242 --> 00:07:16,233 In the fullness of time. 131 00:07:17,282 --> 00:07:19,352 When the moment is ripe. 132 00:07:19,682 --> 00:07:22,196 When the necessary procedures have been completed. 133 00:07:22,362 --> 00:07:24,193 Nothing precipitate, of course. 134 00:07:24,362 --> 00:07:26,273 Minister, this is getting urgent. 135 00:07:26,442 --> 00:07:29,161 Urgent, Humphrey? What a lot of new words! 136 00:07:31,642 --> 00:07:33,394 You'll forgive me if I say this, 137 00:07:33,562 --> 00:07:35,234 but I am beginning to suspect 138 00:07:35,402 --> 00:07:37,552 that you are concealing something from me. 139 00:07:37,722 --> 00:07:41,158 You and I have no secrets from each other, have we? 140 00:07:41,322 --> 00:07:44,155 I'm sorry, but sometimes one is forced to consider 141 00:07:44,322 --> 00:07:47,678 the possibility that affairs are being conducted in a way 142 00:07:47,842 --> 00:07:52,233 which, all things being considered, and making all possible allowances, 143 00:07:52,402 --> 00:07:54,962 is, not to put too fine a point on it, 144 00:07:55,122 --> 00:07:58,034 perhaps not entirely straightforward. 145 00:07:58,202 --> 00:08:00,352 You're the expert on straightforwardness. 146 00:08:00,562 --> 00:08:03,679 So what about the draft evidence? 147 00:08:03,842 --> 00:08:08,552 Well, since you ask, Humphrey, and to be perfectly straightforward, 148 00:08:08,842 --> 00:08:11,117 I have redrafted it myself. 149 00:08:11,442 --> 00:08:13,319 I don't want you to redraft it. 150 00:08:13,562 --> 00:08:16,395 I'm perfectly happy with it as it is. 151 00:08:17,962 --> 00:08:21,113 May I be bold enough to ask what you have said? 152 00:08:21,482 --> 00:08:25,191 What I wanted: Phased reductions in the Civil Service. 153 00:08:25,362 --> 00:08:27,512 You have frustrated me over open government, 154 00:08:27,682 --> 00:08:31,072 and the economy drive, this time I'm going to have my way. 155 00:08:31,242 --> 00:08:33,392 The party wants it, the public wants it. 156 00:08:33,562 --> 00:08:37,953 And all we get from the Civil Service is delaying tactics. 157 00:08:38,242 --> 00:08:41,393 I wouldn't call Civil Service delays "tactics", Minister, 158 00:08:41,562 --> 00:08:43,996 that would be to mistake lethargy for strategy. 159 00:08:44,162 --> 00:08:45,231 Very droll. 160 00:08:45,402 --> 00:08:49,190 But there is a real desire for radical reform in the air. 161 00:08:49,362 --> 00:08:52,115 The Select Committee on Administrative Affairs, 162 00:08:52,282 --> 00:08:54,796 which I founded, it's a great success. 163 00:08:54,962 --> 00:08:57,681 Oh, indeed, what has it achieved? 164 00:08:59,682 --> 00:09:02,560 Nothing yet. But the party's very pleased with it. 165 00:09:03,842 --> 00:09:04,877 Why? 166 00:09:05,042 --> 00:09:07,681 Ten column inches in last Monday's Daily Mail. 167 00:09:07,842 --> 00:09:10,675 The government measures its success in column inches? 168 00:09:10,842 --> 00:09:12,753 Yes... no... 169 00:09:14,002 --> 00:09:15,799 Yes and no! 170 00:09:17,242 --> 00:09:20,917 Minister, the evidence that you are proposing to submit 171 00:09:21,082 --> 00:09:25,121 is not only untrue, it is also, which is much more serious, unwise. 172 00:09:25,442 --> 00:09:27,353 Now, we have been through all this before. 173 00:09:27,522 --> 00:09:29,160 The expansion of the Civil Service 174 00:09:29,322 --> 00:09:31,438 is the result of parliamentary legislation, 175 00:09:31,602 --> 00:09:33,593 not bureaucratic empire building. 176 00:09:33,762 --> 00:09:37,072 So you want me to tell Parliament that it's their fault 177 00:09:37,242 --> 00:09:39,312 that the Civil Service is too big? 178 00:09:39,482 --> 00:09:41,916 - But it's the truth. - I don't want the truth. 179 00:09:42,082 --> 00:09:44,118 I want something I can tell Parliament. 180 00:09:45,202 --> 00:09:47,921 Humphrey, you are supposed to enact my policies. 181 00:09:48,082 --> 00:09:51,199 Yet, you seem implacably opposed to them. 182 00:09:51,362 --> 00:09:53,353 I must know where you stand on all this. 183 00:09:53,522 --> 00:09:56,832 Where one stands, Minister, depends upon where one sits. 184 00:09:57,202 --> 00:09:59,397 Am I to infer that you will not support me? 185 00:09:59,562 --> 00:10:01,120 We will always support you, 186 00:10:01,282 --> 00:10:03,842 but as your standard bearer not as you pall bearer. 187 00:10:04,002 --> 00:10:05,355 What are you saying? 188 00:10:05,522 --> 00:10:08,082 I should have thought is crystal clear. 189 00:10:08,242 --> 00:10:10,278 Do not send this report to a body 190 00:10:10,442 --> 00:10:12,637 whose recommendations are to be published! 191 00:10:12,802 --> 00:10:14,713 That is exactly why I'm sending it. 192 00:10:14,882 --> 00:10:16,395 I don't want to hear any more. 193 00:10:16,562 --> 00:10:19,520 - May I say just one more thing? - If it's in plain English. 194 00:10:19,682 --> 00:10:21,035 Very well, Minister. 195 00:10:21,722 --> 00:10:23,952 If you are going to do this damn silly thing, 196 00:10:24,122 --> 00:10:26,158 don't do it in this damn silly way. 197 00:10:27,322 --> 00:10:30,155 Minister, you'll be late for Cabinet. 198 00:10:30,882 --> 00:10:32,474 Oh, yes. Cabinet. 199 00:10:32,762 --> 00:10:34,559 What are we talking about? 200 00:10:34,722 --> 00:10:37,873 Your proposals to close down the Land Registry. 201 00:10:38,042 --> 00:10:39,111 My proposal...? 202 00:10:39,282 --> 00:10:42,240 Reducing the autonomous Government Departments. 203 00:10:42,402 --> 00:10:44,393 - It was your proposal. - You have initialled it. 204 00:10:44,562 --> 00:10:47,759 - Oh, have I? What's in it? - It'll all go through on the nod. 205 00:10:47,922 --> 00:10:49,514 - Got all the stuff? - Yes. 206 00:10:49,682 --> 00:10:51,673 Come on then, mustn't be late. 207 00:10:52,002 --> 00:10:53,481 Humpy... 208 00:10:54,842 --> 00:10:58,198 Have you written your evidence to the Think Tank yet? 209 00:10:58,522 --> 00:11:00,831 - More or less. - What do you mean? 210 00:11:01,002 --> 00:11:02,993 - The Minister's written it. - Humpy! 211 00:11:03,162 --> 00:11:05,517 Yes, I know. All very unwise. But he insisted. 212 00:11:05,682 --> 00:11:08,754 He's been working at nothing else for more than a week now. 213 00:11:09,242 --> 00:11:12,154 You should never let Ministers get so deeply involved. 214 00:11:12,682 --> 00:11:16,038 The next thing you know they'll be dictating policy. 215 00:11:16,202 --> 00:11:17,237 Yes, I know. 216 00:11:17,402 --> 00:11:20,075 - Is this a lengthy Cabinet? - I don't think so. 217 00:11:20,362 --> 00:11:21,954 Ghastly waste of time. 218 00:11:22,122 --> 00:11:24,955 Yes, but if we're not here to hold their hands, 219 00:11:25,122 --> 00:11:27,841 God knows what they might not get up to? 220 00:11:29,122 --> 00:11:30,840 Excuse me, Jumbo. Yes, Minister? 221 00:11:31,002 --> 00:11:34,119 I'm recommending to Cabinet to close down the Land Registry. 222 00:11:34,282 --> 00:11:35,351 - Why? - Why? 223 00:11:35,522 --> 00:11:38,082 Why are we closing it or bringing it to Cabinet? 224 00:11:38,242 --> 00:11:39,357 - What? - What? 225 00:11:39,522 --> 00:11:41,001 Why am I recommending it? 226 00:11:41,162 --> 00:11:43,232 - Surely you know. - No, that's why I'm asking. 227 00:11:43,402 --> 00:11:45,438 You said it would go through on the nod, 228 00:11:45,602 --> 00:11:48,196 now the PM's started asking questions. 229 00:11:48,362 --> 00:11:50,273 And I haven't read my proposal. 230 00:11:50,922 --> 00:11:54,915 There was a 9.75 rise in autonomous Government Departments. 231 00:11:55,082 --> 00:11:56,959 Yes, of course. Thank you. 232 00:12:03,042 --> 00:12:04,361 I'm sorry, Jumbo... 233 00:12:04,522 --> 00:12:07,958 Helping to restrict the autonomous departments? 234 00:12:08,122 --> 00:12:10,920 That should find favour with the PM policy-wise. 235 00:12:11,082 --> 00:12:12,082 Oh? Why? 236 00:12:12,242 --> 00:12:14,961 Very fashionable simplifying the Civil Service 237 00:12:15,122 --> 00:12:18,000 especially with this Think Tank recommendation. 238 00:12:18,162 --> 00:12:21,438 - But they haven't reported. - Yes, they have, unofficially... 239 00:12:21,602 --> 00:12:23,593 They haven't taken all the evidence yet. 240 00:12:23,762 --> 00:12:27,357 The Central Policy Review Staff don't sully their elevated minds 241 00:12:27,522 --> 00:12:29,956 with anything as sordid as evidence. 242 00:12:30,122 --> 00:12:32,556 You may take it that they'll be advising the PM 243 00:12:32,722 --> 00:12:35,031 to simplify the administration of government. 244 00:12:35,202 --> 00:12:38,160 Well, that'll keep me busy. Ah, well. 245 00:12:39,162 --> 00:12:40,720 I shouldn't count on it. 246 00:12:41,922 --> 00:12:45,835 You surely don't expect me, the PM's Senior Policy Adviser, 247 00:12:46,002 --> 00:12:47,515 to betray confidences. 248 00:12:47,682 --> 00:12:49,957 Not to your colleagues, certainly. 249 00:12:50,122 --> 00:12:53,114 No doubt the grapevine would inform you by lunchtime. 250 00:12:53,282 --> 00:12:54,954 Inform? Inform us of what? 251 00:12:55,922 --> 00:12:57,719 Your Minister is seeking 252 00:12:57,882 --> 00:13:00,680 to reduce overmanning in the Civil Service. 253 00:13:00,842 --> 00:13:02,673 Well, he's going to get his way. 254 00:13:02,842 --> 00:13:05,072 Treasury, the Home Office and the Civil Service 255 00:13:05,242 --> 00:13:09,554 have all proposed to abolish your Department of Administrative Affairs 256 00:13:10,402 --> 00:13:12,279 and the PM is smiling on the plan. 257 00:13:12,442 --> 00:13:14,910 - That's absurd. - Clean. Dramatic. 258 00:13:15,082 --> 00:13:18,233 Very popular politically. No real inconvenience. 259 00:13:18,402 --> 00:13:22,156 All your functions could be subsumed by other departments. 260 00:13:22,322 --> 00:13:26,679 Jim Hacker will win through with a self sacrificing policy. 261 00:13:26,842 --> 00:13:29,151 The PM will probably kick him upstairs. 262 00:13:29,362 --> 00:13:31,478 Lord Hacker of Kamikaze. 263 00:13:33,562 --> 00:13:36,952 I hardly think that's funny, Daniel or likely. 264 00:13:37,122 --> 00:13:41,400 Why not? He ran the leadership campaign against the PM. 265 00:13:41,562 --> 00:13:45,714 This could be the PM's masterstroke in one fell swoop. 266 00:13:45,882 --> 00:13:48,874 Approbation, elevation and castration. 267 00:13:49,922 --> 00:13:51,594 You know the PM's motto 268 00:13:51,762 --> 00:13:54,640 "In Defeat, malice. In Victory, revenge". 269 00:13:56,402 --> 00:13:58,313 Abolish my Department. 270 00:13:59,322 --> 00:14:00,835 Out of the question. 271 00:14:01,202 --> 00:14:02,999 Simply can't be done. 272 00:14:03,322 --> 00:14:05,119 I'm sure you know best. 273 00:14:05,282 --> 00:14:08,991 By the way, there's a job centre in the Horseferry Road. 274 00:14:09,602 --> 00:14:12,162 The No. 19 Bus stops right outside. 275 00:14:15,162 --> 00:14:17,517 - I'm appalled. - You're appalled? 276 00:14:17,682 --> 00:14:18,956 I'm appalled. 277 00:14:19,162 --> 00:14:22,711 I just can't believe it. I'm... I'm appalled. 278 00:14:24,002 --> 00:14:27,597 - What do you make of it? - I'm appalled, Minister. 279 00:14:29,162 --> 00:14:31,198 So am I. Appalled! 280 00:14:35,202 --> 00:14:36,999 It's appalling. 281 00:14:38,682 --> 00:14:39,956 Appalling. 282 00:14:40,202 --> 00:14:42,511 I just don't know how to describe it. 283 00:14:42,682 --> 00:14:43,876 Appalling? 284 00:14:44,122 --> 00:14:46,078 Appalling. But I mean is it true? 285 00:14:46,242 --> 00:14:47,960 Sure he wasn't having you on? 286 00:14:48,122 --> 00:14:50,238 They can't abolish this entire department. 287 00:14:50,402 --> 00:14:52,040 It rings true, doesn't it? 288 00:14:52,202 --> 00:14:54,432 I've just see the joint departmental proposal. 289 00:14:54,602 --> 00:14:56,479 Whitehall's full of proposals. 290 00:14:56,642 --> 00:14:58,917 Daniel Hughes is very close to the PM. 291 00:14:59,082 --> 00:15:01,721 What's going to happen? Where will I go? 292 00:15:01,882 --> 00:15:04,396 Well, there is a rumour, Minister... 293 00:15:04,802 --> 00:15:06,315 Rumour? What rumour? 294 00:15:06,962 --> 00:15:09,999 Minister with responsibility for Industrial Harmony. 295 00:15:10,162 --> 00:15:11,959 Industrial harmony? 296 00:15:12,762 --> 00:15:15,356 You know what that means. That means strikes! 297 00:15:16,762 --> 00:15:19,720 Every strike in Great Britain will be my fault. 298 00:15:20,282 --> 00:15:21,510 Oh, marvellous. 299 00:15:21,682 --> 00:15:23,718 Have you considered what might happen to me? 300 00:15:23,962 --> 00:15:27,398 - No. What? - I shall be sent to Ag and Fish. 301 00:15:27,762 --> 00:15:31,960 The rest of my career dedicated to arguing about the cod quota. 302 00:15:32,322 --> 00:15:33,835 And as for you, Bernard, 303 00:15:34,002 --> 00:15:37,995 if your Minister bites the dust your reputation as a high flyer 304 00:15:38,162 --> 00:15:39,754 will be hit for six. 305 00:15:40,682 --> 00:15:42,115 You'll spend your career 306 00:15:42,282 --> 00:15:44,637 in the Vehicle Licensing Centre in Swansea. 307 00:15:47,362 --> 00:15:49,432 - It's your fault. - My fault? 308 00:15:49,602 --> 00:15:52,674 It was your proposal to reduce the autonomous departments. 309 00:15:52,842 --> 00:15:55,914 You proposed phased reductions of the Civil Service. 310 00:15:56,082 --> 00:15:59,392 Don't let's argue about that. What are we going to do? 311 00:16:00,842 --> 00:16:02,400 We could put a paper up. 312 00:16:03,322 --> 00:16:04,516 Up what? 313 00:16:07,522 --> 00:16:10,195 - Brilliant! - Have you any suggestions? 314 00:16:13,842 --> 00:16:16,310 - I don't know, I'm... - Appalled? 315 00:16:18,122 --> 00:16:21,159 I do think that we should work together on this. 316 00:16:21,322 --> 00:16:23,392 - I've heard that before. - What do you mean? 317 00:16:23,562 --> 00:16:26,235 You telling me what to do, me doing it. 318 00:16:26,402 --> 00:16:28,597 - That isn't true. - You've no suggestions? 319 00:16:28,762 --> 00:16:31,117 Bernard could fetch your Political Adviser. 320 00:16:31,282 --> 00:16:34,718 - You want me to consult Frank? - Yes, Minister. 321 00:16:35,242 --> 00:16:37,198 And Minister, with respect... 322 00:16:37,362 --> 00:16:40,160 Don't use that language to me, Humphrey. 323 00:16:40,322 --> 00:16:42,916 - What language? - I know what "with respect" means. 324 00:16:43,082 --> 00:16:46,040 That anything I suggest is beneath contempt. 325 00:16:46,282 --> 00:16:47,840 Ah, Minister. 326 00:16:48,002 --> 00:16:50,357 I really do mean that we should work together. 327 00:16:51,122 --> 00:16:53,556 - I need you. - Do you mean that? 328 00:16:55,202 --> 00:16:58,831 - Yes, Minister. - Humphrey, how very nice of you. 329 00:17:00,042 --> 00:17:03,273 Minister, if the Prime Minister is behind a scheme, 330 00:17:03,442 --> 00:17:05,558 Whitehall on its own cannot block it. 331 00:17:06,042 --> 00:17:10,593 Cabinet Ministers' schemes are easily blocked... redrafted, 332 00:17:10,802 --> 00:17:12,872 but the Prime Minister is another matter. 333 00:17:13,042 --> 00:17:15,795 We need to fight this in Westminster and in Whitehall. 334 00:17:15,962 --> 00:17:18,920 And Weisel might be able to mobilise the backbenchers. 335 00:17:19,082 --> 00:17:22,677 Yes. And he might be able to mobilise the Press. 336 00:17:23,202 --> 00:17:25,397 - You've heard the news? - Bernard just told me. 337 00:17:25,562 --> 00:17:27,120 What do you suggest? 338 00:17:27,842 --> 00:17:30,800 I can't think of anything... I'm appalled. 339 00:17:32,962 --> 00:17:35,237 Mustn't all flap around like a lot of wet hens. 340 00:17:35,402 --> 00:17:37,632 We've got to save this Department. 341 00:17:37,802 --> 00:17:39,952 I want you to get to the backbenchers 342 00:17:40,122 --> 00:17:42,920 to put a stop to this thing before it starts. 343 00:17:43,082 --> 00:17:47,121 I'm sorry, but you can't stop something before it starts. 344 00:17:47,362 --> 00:17:49,000 Thank you. Frank... 345 00:17:50,322 --> 00:17:54,281 It won't be that easy. It will be a very popular move. 346 00:17:54,442 --> 00:17:56,319 A publicity campaign? You know: 347 00:17:56,482 --> 00:17:59,042 "Administration Saves the Nation" "Red Tape is Fun". 348 00:17:59,202 --> 00:18:01,318 Full page ads in... 349 00:18:02,962 --> 00:18:04,315 It was just an idea. 350 00:18:04,482 --> 00:18:06,120 "Red Tape is fun"? 351 00:18:07,322 --> 00:18:10,314 What about "Red Tape holds the Nation together"? 352 00:18:13,682 --> 00:18:17,834 Well, there's no doubt about it, the writing's on the wall. 353 00:18:18,282 --> 00:18:21,718 The public should think kindly towards Administration, 354 00:18:21,882 --> 00:18:24,271 - because of the Europass. - Quite. 355 00:18:24,442 --> 00:18:26,876 - Europass? - European Identity Card. 356 00:18:27,682 --> 00:18:29,559 You've informed the Minister? 357 00:18:29,722 --> 00:18:31,314 Didn't you do your boxes? 358 00:18:31,482 --> 00:18:34,076 No, I was redrafting the redraft of the draft. 359 00:18:34,522 --> 00:18:36,672 Well, Brussels is about to decree 360 00:18:36,842 --> 00:18:39,402 that there is to be a new European Identity Card 361 00:18:39,562 --> 00:18:42,713 to be carried by all citizens of the E.E.C. 362 00:18:42,882 --> 00:18:45,316 The Foreign Office is ready to go along with it 363 00:18:45,482 --> 00:18:48,440 as a quid pro quo for a deal over the butter mountain, 364 00:18:48,602 --> 00:18:50,911 the wine lake, and the milk ocean, 365 00:18:52,922 --> 00:18:55,117 the lamb war, and the cod stink. 366 00:18:56,202 --> 00:18:59,751 And the Prime Minister wants you to introduce the legislation. 367 00:18:59,922 --> 00:19:01,150 - Me? - Yes. 368 00:19:01,322 --> 00:19:03,233 You're pro Europe, you see. 369 00:19:03,682 --> 00:19:06,071 And it would simplify our administration. 370 00:19:06,242 --> 00:19:08,517 - So it's a good idea. - Good idea? 371 00:19:08,682 --> 00:19:10,559 - Good idea? - Good idea? 372 00:19:10,922 --> 00:19:13,311 - Not a good idea? - Political suicide! 373 00:19:13,482 --> 00:19:17,191 Trying to make British people carry Identification Papers? 374 00:19:17,362 --> 00:19:19,114 They'll call it a Police State. 375 00:19:19,282 --> 00:19:22,035 Is this what we fought two world wars for? 376 00:19:22,202 --> 00:19:25,035 It's little more than a sort of driving license. 377 00:19:25,202 --> 00:19:27,158 It's the last nail in my coffin. 378 00:19:27,322 --> 00:19:29,916 You might get away with calling it "Euroclub Express". 379 00:19:30,082 --> 00:19:32,152 Bernard, either shut up or get out! 380 00:19:34,002 --> 00:19:36,994 Can't the Foreign Office introduce it? 381 00:19:37,162 --> 00:19:39,630 That was the Prime Minister's suggestion, 382 00:19:39,802 --> 00:19:42,953 but for the Foreign Secretary it was a Home Office matter 383 00:19:43,122 --> 00:19:45,590 and for the Home Office it was essentially 384 00:19:45,762 --> 00:19:47,957 and administrative matter, and the PM agreed. 385 00:19:48,122 --> 00:19:49,521 Pass the parcel. 386 00:19:49,682 --> 00:19:52,276 Can you blame them when you can hear it ticking? 387 00:19:53,602 --> 00:19:56,400 The identity card bill is planned to be 388 00:19:56,562 --> 00:19:59,156 the last action of this Department. 389 00:19:59,322 --> 00:20:01,472 Wonderful ammunition for the anti Europeans. 390 00:20:01,642 --> 00:20:05,271 Don't the Foreign Office realise the damage to the European idea? 391 00:20:05,442 --> 00:20:07,558 That's why they support it. 392 00:20:08,362 --> 00:20:10,922 The Foreign Office is pro Europe, isn't it? 393 00:20:11,402 --> 00:20:14,838 Yes and no... if you'll forgive the expression. 394 00:20:15,362 --> 00:20:19,275 The Foreign Office is pro Europe because it is really anti Europe. 395 00:20:20,002 --> 00:20:23,074 The Civil Service was united in its desire to make sure 396 00:20:23,242 --> 00:20:25,392 that the Common Market didn't work. 397 00:20:26,122 --> 00:20:29,034 - That's why we went into it. - What are you talking about? 398 00:20:29,202 --> 00:20:33,161 Minister, Britain has had the same foreign policy objective 399 00:20:33,322 --> 00:20:35,677 for at least the last 500 years: 400 00:20:36,442 --> 00:20:38,478 To create a disunited Europe. 401 00:20:39,562 --> 00:20:42,281 We have fought with the Dutch against the Spanish, 402 00:20:42,442 --> 00:20:45,002 with the Germans against the French 403 00:20:45,162 --> 00:20:48,199 and with the French against the Germans and the Italians. 404 00:20:48,362 --> 00:20:50,193 Divide and rule, you see. 405 00:20:50,362 --> 00:20:53,877 Why should we change now, when it's worked so well? 406 00:20:54,042 --> 00:20:56,317 That's all ancient history surely? 407 00:20:56,482 --> 00:20:58,438 Yes, and current policy. 408 00:20:59,082 --> 00:21:02,961 We had to break the whole thing up, so we had to get inside. 409 00:21:03,122 --> 00:21:06,000 We tried from the outside, but it wouldn't work. 410 00:21:06,202 --> 00:21:10,673 Now, we can make a complete pig's breakfast of the whole thing. 411 00:21:11,362 --> 00:21:13,637 Set the Germans against the French, 412 00:21:13,802 --> 00:21:16,077 the Italians against the Dutch... 413 00:21:16,242 --> 00:21:20,394 The Foreign Office is terribly pleased, it's just like old times. 414 00:21:21,282 --> 00:21:24,194 But we're all committed to the European ideal. 415 00:21:24,362 --> 00:21:26,398 Really, Minister. 416 00:21:27,522 --> 00:21:30,161 Why are we pressing for an increase in the membership? 417 00:21:30,322 --> 00:21:33,758 For the same reason. It's just like the United Nations. 418 00:21:33,922 --> 00:21:37,073 The more members it has, the more arguments it can stir up, 419 00:21:37,242 --> 00:21:39,597 the more futile and impotent it becomes. 420 00:21:40,002 --> 00:21:42,391 - What appalling cynicism. - Yes. 421 00:21:43,162 --> 00:21:45,118 We call it diplomacy, Minister. 422 00:21:45,922 --> 00:21:49,198 How will the other countries feel about identity papers? 423 00:21:49,362 --> 00:21:50,715 Won't they resist too? 424 00:21:50,882 --> 00:21:53,840 The Germans will love it, the French will ignore it, 425 00:21:54,002 --> 00:21:57,551 and the Italians and the Irish will be too chaotic to enforce it. 426 00:21:57,962 --> 00:22:00,157 Only the British will resent it. 427 00:22:00,482 --> 00:22:04,475 - It's a plot to get rid of me. - They'll abolish your Department. 428 00:22:04,642 --> 00:22:07,156 Perhaps the PM wants to make absolutely certain. 429 00:22:07,322 --> 00:22:10,951 - Don't be so paranoid. - Everyone is plotting against me. 430 00:22:11,122 --> 00:22:14,353 - We're on your side, Minister. - Yes, Minister. 431 00:22:14,882 --> 00:22:18,431 - Martin will be on outside. - Yes, where is Martin? 432 00:22:18,602 --> 00:22:22,356 I think he's in the House, Minister, where you ought to be. 433 00:22:22,602 --> 00:22:24,160 Let's go and see him. 434 00:22:26,522 --> 00:22:28,319 This is appalling, Jim. 435 00:22:28,482 --> 00:22:30,871 - You've done a Samson act. - Samson? 436 00:22:31,042 --> 00:22:34,478 You've reduced the Civil Service bureaucracy. 437 00:22:34,642 --> 00:22:37,998 You've pulled the superstructure down and buried yourself. 438 00:22:38,202 --> 00:22:40,762 - A Pyrrhic victory. - No ideas? 439 00:22:40,922 --> 00:22:44,119 - I'd help if I could, but... - But the Europass... 440 00:22:44,282 --> 00:22:45,920 It doesn't make sense. 441 00:22:46,082 --> 00:22:49,040 Why can't the PM see the damage? 442 00:22:49,202 --> 00:22:52,592 Yes, this Europass issue is the biggest disaster 443 00:22:52,762 --> 00:22:55,196 since I asked to join the Cabinet. 444 00:22:55,362 --> 00:22:58,001 I don't think you quite mean that. 445 00:22:58,162 --> 00:23:00,995 Everybody knows this Europass thing won't happen. 446 00:23:01,162 --> 00:23:04,996 The PM's got to play along with it because of the Napoleon Prize. 447 00:23:05,162 --> 00:23:06,162 Napoleon Prize? 448 00:23:06,322 --> 00:23:09,234 A NATO Award given once every five years. 449 00:23:09,402 --> 00:23:11,711 Gold medal, big ceremony in Brussels. 450 00:23:11,882 --> 00:23:14,032 The PM's the front runner this time. 451 00:23:14,202 --> 00:23:18,320 It's for the statesman who has contributed most to European unity. 452 00:23:18,482 --> 00:23:21,554 Since Napoleon. That is if you don't count Hitler. 453 00:23:23,242 --> 00:23:24,357 So? What...? 454 00:23:24,522 --> 00:23:27,195 The awards committee sits in six weeks. 455 00:23:27,362 --> 00:23:30,274 The PM isn't going to rock the boat until it's in the bag. 456 00:23:30,442 --> 00:23:32,398 You don't put boats in bags. 457 00:23:32,722 --> 00:23:34,678 - What's that Bernard? - Nothing, Minister. 458 00:23:35,202 --> 00:23:38,956 Once the prize is awarded, the PM will dump the Europasses. 459 00:23:39,122 --> 00:23:43,912 How many people know about the winner of the Napoleon Prize? 460 00:23:44,082 --> 00:23:45,879 - It's top secret. - You mean everyone. 461 00:23:46,042 --> 00:23:49,159 - No, top secret top secret. - That's it then. 462 00:23:49,322 --> 00:23:51,153 - Humphrey, don't you see? - See what? 463 00:23:51,322 --> 00:23:54,598 - Backbenchers. Leaks. - The Welsh Nationalist party? 464 00:23:54,762 --> 00:23:55,911 No. No. No. 465 00:23:58,602 --> 00:24:00,320 Oh, I'll come back later. 466 00:24:00,482 --> 00:24:03,042 No. No. Don't go, the very man. 467 00:24:03,202 --> 00:24:04,760 Come on in, Daniel. 468 00:24:04,962 --> 00:24:08,716 - I want to ask your advice. - I'll give any help I can. 469 00:24:08,882 --> 00:24:12,591 But if it's about shutting stable doors after horses have bolted, 470 00:24:12,762 --> 00:24:14,718 even I am powerless to help. 471 00:24:14,882 --> 00:24:17,316 You won't be powerless in this case. 472 00:24:17,482 --> 00:24:20,394 It's really a sort of moral dilemma. 473 00:24:20,642 --> 00:24:22,951 Supposing a backbencher were to put down 474 00:24:23,122 --> 00:24:26,876 a question for the Prime Minister, asking whether the Europass... 475 00:24:27,042 --> 00:24:29,761 Which backbencher? Europass is top secret. 476 00:24:29,922 --> 00:24:33,437 You mean like the winner of the Napoleon Prize is top secret? 477 00:24:33,602 --> 00:24:36,275 The Minister meant a hypothetical backbencher. 478 00:24:36,442 --> 00:24:38,273 Quite so, Bernard. Thank you. 479 00:24:38,442 --> 00:24:40,433 A hypothetical backbencher. 480 00:24:40,602 --> 00:24:42,320 And a hypothetical question 481 00:24:42,482 --> 00:24:46,077 asking whether or not Britain was going to adopt the Europass. 482 00:24:46,442 --> 00:24:50,037 - Highly improbable. - Oh, I agree. Highly improbable. 483 00:24:50,202 --> 00:24:52,716 But suppose the PM were to answer yes, 484 00:24:52,922 --> 00:24:55,561 it would be very damaging in the country? 485 00:24:56,442 --> 00:24:57,477 Yes. 486 00:24:57,682 --> 00:24:59,479 And if the PM were to answer no 487 00:24:59,642 --> 00:25:02,031 it would be very damaging in Europe? 488 00:25:02,642 --> 00:25:04,598 To the PM personally. 489 00:25:05,482 --> 00:25:07,791 Napoleon prize-wise. 490 00:25:09,362 --> 00:25:12,434 Now, if a hypothetical Minister were to get to hear 491 00:25:12,602 --> 00:25:16,390 of this hypothetical question in advance, what should he do? 492 00:25:17,482 --> 00:25:19,677 The only course would be to ensure 493 00:25:19,842 --> 00:25:22,037 that the question was not tabled. 494 00:25:22,202 --> 00:25:25,035 Serious business, suppressing an MP's question. 495 00:25:25,202 --> 00:25:26,840 There is no other course. 496 00:25:27,442 --> 00:25:30,718 The only way to stop him might be to get him 497 00:25:30,882 --> 00:25:34,079 to put down a question asking the Prime Minister 498 00:25:34,282 --> 00:25:37,115 to squash the rumours about the closure 499 00:25:37,402 --> 00:25:40,235 of the Department for Administrative Affairs. 500 00:25:40,682 --> 00:25:43,754 Oh, but I'm sure... whatever made you think... 501 00:25:45,082 --> 00:25:47,232 anything but the fullest support... 502 00:25:47,402 --> 00:25:51,634 You said that a plan to abolish the Department had been put up, 503 00:25:51,802 --> 00:25:53,793 and the PM was smiling on it. 504 00:25:53,962 --> 00:25:56,522 No, smiling at it! Smiling at it, not on it. 505 00:25:58,162 --> 00:26:00,437 The whole idea was ridiculous. 506 00:26:00,602 --> 00:26:03,036 Laughable. Out of the question. 507 00:26:03,362 --> 00:26:04,636 A joke. 508 00:26:04,922 --> 00:26:06,071 A joke? 509 00:26:06,482 --> 00:26:07,961 You didn't imagine... 510 00:26:08,122 --> 00:26:12,718 So that a minute from the Prime Minister's office confirming this, 511 00:26:12,882 --> 00:26:16,875 and squashing the rumour, will be circulated to all departments 512 00:26:17,042 --> 00:26:18,634 within 24 hours. 513 00:26:19,122 --> 00:26:23,035 So that we can all share it, joke-wise I mean! 514 00:26:25,602 --> 00:26:27,877 Do you really think it's necessary? 515 00:26:28,162 --> 00:26:29,356 Yes. 516 00:26:30,002 --> 00:26:32,675 Well, I'm sure something can be arranged. 517 00:26:32,842 --> 00:26:34,321 If you'll excuse me. 518 00:26:34,722 --> 00:26:36,121 Checkmate, I think. 519 00:26:36,802 --> 00:26:38,679 Game, set and match. 520 00:26:38,842 --> 00:26:40,514 Can Daniel Hughes fix this? 521 00:26:40,682 --> 00:26:42,957 Don't Prime Ministers have minds of their own? 522 00:26:43,202 --> 00:26:44,317 Certainly. 523 00:26:44,482 --> 00:26:47,474 But as President Nixon's henchmen once said: 524 00:26:47,642 --> 00:26:52,796 "When you've got them by the balls, their hearts and minds will follow". 525 00:26:54,122 --> 00:26:55,760 Isn't that right? 526 00:26:55,922 --> 00:26:57,275 Yes, Minister. 42039

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