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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:07,107 --> 00:00:08,208 I wanted to be a Hells Angel 2 00:00:08,275 --> 00:00:11,278 because they had that togetherness, that brotherhood. 3 00:00:12,112 --> 00:00:14,648 Drinking whiskey, drinking beer. 4 00:00:14,715 --> 00:00:16,950 They won't do you wrong unless you do them wrong. 5 00:00:18,719 --> 00:00:22,456 In the '60s, they just had a lot of fun and games and a lot of partying. 6 00:00:23,590 --> 00:00:26,026 And then in the '70s, they became gangsters. 7 00:00:27,461 --> 00:00:30,831 KERRIE DROBAN: Butch Crouch was the brutal driving force 8 00:00:30,898 --> 00:00:34,001 behind the Cleveland Hells Angels. 9 00:00:34,067 --> 00:00:37,604 -People were getting murdered, people were disappearing. -(GUN FIRES) 10 00:00:37,671 --> 00:00:42,109 The Cleveland Hells Angels moved from a motorcycle club to a murder cult. 11 00:00:42,109 --> 00:00:43,810 You (BLEEP) with the Hells Angels, 12 00:00:43,877 --> 00:00:45,345 they are gonna (BLEEP) stomp you. 13 00:00:45,779 --> 00:00:46,813 Bomb city. 14 00:00:48,282 --> 00:00:50,550 There were bombs going off everywhere. 15 00:00:52,386 --> 00:00:55,188 TOM DOYLE: Killing women and children was beneath him. 16 00:00:55,255 --> 00:00:58,258 Butch thought that was wrong. Totally wrong. 17 00:00:58,358 --> 00:01:01,428 Butch began to question what he was doing, 18 00:01:01,495 --> 00:01:03,697 and what the Hells Angels were doing. 19 00:01:03,797 --> 00:01:08,035 This culminated in the most experienced member of the Hells Angels chapter 20 00:01:08,101 --> 00:01:10,437 sharing their most closely-guarded secrets. 21 00:01:13,473 --> 00:01:15,042 It was devastating. 22 00:01:15,108 --> 00:01:18,478 He betrayed the patch. 23 00:01:20,914 --> 00:01:22,916 MAN: Over and over, they say they are not criminals, 24 00:01:22,983 --> 00:01:26,954 they're rebels rebelling against a society for which they have no respect. 25 00:01:30,357 --> 00:01:32,125 We never gave a (BLEEP) about what anybody else thought. 26 00:01:37,264 --> 00:01:39,666 We're mostly a bunch of happy-go-lucky guys 27 00:01:39,733 --> 00:01:41,702 trying to make it in this world, you know. 28 00:01:41,802 --> 00:01:43,971 KERRI KRYSKO: They're misfits, they're outlaws, 29 00:01:44,037 --> 00:01:46,907 and they defy the laws of attraction. 30 00:01:47,007 --> 00:01:49,476 I don't know, I idolize 'em, I adore 'em. 31 00:01:49,543 --> 00:01:50,510 They're my whole life. 32 00:01:52,846 --> 00:01:55,115 Angels forever, forever Angels. 33 00:01:55,182 --> 00:01:56,717 Speaks for itself. 34 00:01:58,919 --> 00:02:01,922 The Hells Angels are not a criminal organization. 35 00:02:01,989 --> 00:02:04,124 Why don't you people go home! 36 00:02:04,191 --> 00:02:06,426 GEORGE CHRISTIE: It's an organization with criminals in it. 37 00:02:10,297 --> 00:02:14,434 The Hells Angels run a massive propaganda scheme. 38 00:02:14,501 --> 00:02:17,871 And the unknowing gulped down that Hells Angels Kool-Aid. 39 00:02:17,938 --> 00:02:20,073 Everybody just cool out. 40 00:02:20,140 --> 00:02:22,075 Hells Angels, everybody! 41 00:02:22,142 --> 00:02:26,046 JAY DOBYNS: That is all designed to hide murder, rape, 42 00:02:26,113 --> 00:02:30,550 drug trafficking, gun running, extortion, assault, arson. 43 00:02:33,186 --> 00:02:34,921 I'm not trying to glorify my life, 44 00:02:34,988 --> 00:02:37,190 but I'm certainly not going to apologize for it. 45 00:02:38,825 --> 00:02:40,660 I'm doing extreme stuff. 46 00:02:42,195 --> 00:02:44,297 -For what? -I'm telling it the way it really happened. 47 00:02:44,398 --> 00:02:47,000 I never thought I'd be talking openly about this stuff. 48 00:02:47,067 --> 00:02:49,036 -INTERVIEWER: Ready for this? -I'm ready. 49 00:02:56,743 --> 00:03:00,147 MATT ZANOSKAR: Fifty some years ago, I used to work around this neighborhood. 50 00:03:01,748 --> 00:03:04,184 It used to be quite a neighborhood. 51 00:03:04,184 --> 00:03:05,352 It changed. 52 00:03:07,821 --> 00:03:08,955 (INTERVIEWER SPEAKING) 53 00:03:10,757 --> 00:03:11,725 Yeah. 54 00:03:14,127 --> 00:03:17,397 I was just going to the bike show. 55 00:03:17,464 --> 00:03:19,833 Butch Crouch was in front of me, 56 00:03:19,900 --> 00:03:21,501 and we were walking through the crowd 57 00:03:21,601 --> 00:03:26,039 because this was our house, this was our event. 58 00:03:26,106 --> 00:03:29,943 And it was obvious they come in those kind of numbers, 59 00:03:30,043 --> 00:03:31,845 and they're all looking at us. 60 00:03:33,113 --> 00:03:34,081 No guns. 61 00:03:35,716 --> 00:03:36,950 But the knives were out. 62 00:03:48,028 --> 00:03:51,031 In the Hells Angels, you can't be running your mouth. 63 00:03:52,933 --> 00:03:56,269 And some things some people will not tell you 64 00:03:56,336 --> 00:03:58,105 because it's none of your business. 65 00:03:58,205 --> 00:03:59,673 You ain't gonna know. 66 00:03:59,740 --> 00:04:02,476 If you're not a member, you're not gonna know. 67 00:04:19,593 --> 00:04:22,662 Cleveland, it was a tough town, 68 00:04:22,662 --> 00:04:24,231 but it was a hard-working town. 69 00:04:27,067 --> 00:04:29,970 At the time, my livelihood was ironwork. 70 00:04:31,838 --> 00:04:35,308 I worked hard and made myself available 71 00:04:35,375 --> 00:04:37,711 to as much fun as I possibly could. 72 00:04:40,881 --> 00:04:43,817 It was 1970 73 00:04:43,917 --> 00:04:48,054 when I really started getting into building my bike and riding my bike. 74 00:04:49,389 --> 00:04:50,991 (INTERVIEWER SPEAKING) 75 00:04:52,792 --> 00:04:54,227 I wanted to ride with the best. 76 00:04:55,061 --> 00:04:56,796 (MELLOW ROCK MUSIC PLAYING) 77 00:04:59,266 --> 00:05:04,204 They had that togetherness, that brotherhood, and they helped one another. 78 00:05:05,305 --> 00:05:08,241 They won't do you wrong unless you do them wrong. 79 00:05:08,308 --> 00:05:09,910 Seemed pretty exciting to me. 80 00:05:12,045 --> 00:05:13,547 I want to be part of that. 81 00:05:17,250 --> 00:05:19,019 Can you find me? 82 00:05:19,719 --> 00:05:21,555 (INTERVIEWER SPEAKING) 83 00:05:21,621 --> 00:05:23,390 ZANOSKAR: How did you do that? 84 00:05:23,456 --> 00:05:25,559 You know why? Because I'm standing next to a guy 85 00:05:25,625 --> 00:05:27,227 that's, like, 6'4", 6'5". 86 00:05:27,294 --> 00:05:30,897 I was standing on two telephone books, Cleveland telephone books, 87 00:05:30,997 --> 00:05:33,300 because I wanted to stand with the big guys. 88 00:05:33,400 --> 00:05:35,869 (LAUGHING) 89 00:05:35,936 --> 00:05:38,672 (INTERVIEWER SPEAKING) 90 00:05:38,738 --> 00:05:40,707 ZANOSKAR: That's Butch Crouch. 91 00:05:41,374 --> 00:05:43,243 (INTERVIEWER SPEAKING) 92 00:05:44,744 --> 00:05:46,146 ZANOSKAR: In time. 93 00:06:00,560 --> 00:06:03,096 I joined because of a brotherhood. 94 00:06:03,196 --> 00:06:06,066 We were one family, one big family, 95 00:06:06,066 --> 00:06:07,868 and we'd all help each other. 96 00:06:07,934 --> 00:06:11,504 You know, it was something that we'd all grow old and be proud of, 97 00:06:11,605 --> 00:06:12,906 you know, a brotherhood. 98 00:06:15,542 --> 00:06:20,680 DOYLE: In 1970, Sonny Barger wanted to expand the Hells Angels nationally, 99 00:06:22,549 --> 00:06:27,320 so he sent Butch Crouch to organize the Cleveland chapter, 100 00:06:27,387 --> 00:06:29,589 increase the size of the Cleveland chapter 101 00:06:29,656 --> 00:06:31,424 and, of course, increase their power. 102 00:06:31,491 --> 00:06:33,727 And their power would come from selling drugs. 103 00:06:36,463 --> 00:06:37,764 PAT MATTER: When I first met him, 104 00:06:37,831 --> 00:06:40,033 I was already warned about Butch. 105 00:06:40,100 --> 00:06:46,473 He had a reputation for being a very serious Hells Angel and dedicated. 106 00:06:46,473 --> 00:06:49,109 He had stabbed multiple people in a bar fight. 107 00:06:50,510 --> 00:06:53,513 One thing that sticks out in my mind about Butch Crouch, 108 00:06:54,547 --> 00:06:57,350 Butch's girlfriend's dog was barking. 109 00:06:58,985 --> 00:07:01,221 He got up out of the bed and shot him. 110 00:07:01,221 --> 00:07:03,423 (GUN FIRES) 111 00:07:03,490 --> 00:07:05,258 She was not happy with that. 112 00:07:05,358 --> 00:07:08,561 So he took a knife, and he stabbed her foot to the floor. 113 00:07:11,064 --> 00:07:12,432 Not a very nice man. 114 00:07:15,669 --> 00:07:19,706 DROBAN: Butch Crouch was born in 1940 in Shreveport, Louisiana 115 00:07:19,806 --> 00:07:25,245 in the sort of background that really attracted people to the biker culture 116 00:07:25,312 --> 00:07:26,446 and that lifestyle. 117 00:07:26,513 --> 00:07:29,049 He grew up in a dysfunctional family. 118 00:07:29,115 --> 00:07:32,686 His mother was deaf, his father died. 119 00:07:32,752 --> 00:07:35,956 So Butch had a very hardened view of the world. 120 00:07:38,825 --> 00:07:42,829 By the time he was 19, he got into a brawl. 121 00:07:43,930 --> 00:07:46,099 And he did a few years in a Texas prison. 122 00:07:47,767 --> 00:07:51,871 When you grow up in a place that's economically depressed, 123 00:07:51,871 --> 00:07:54,240 the Hells Angels looks very attractive. 124 00:07:56,042 --> 00:08:02,082 That's their opportunity to be a part of something that promises an exciting life. 125 00:08:05,785 --> 00:08:09,789 I was a detective in the Greater Cleveland area for 39 years. 126 00:08:12,792 --> 00:08:14,861 Over the years, I've been involved in investigations 127 00:08:14,928 --> 00:08:16,629 of the Cleveland chapter of the Hells Angels. 128 00:08:18,665 --> 00:08:22,035 When Butch came to Cleveland, he came here to recruit people, 129 00:08:22,102 --> 00:08:23,236 recruit good people. 130 00:08:24,437 --> 00:08:26,239 He had that ability to size people up 131 00:08:26,306 --> 00:08:28,208 and recognize aspects of their personality 132 00:08:28,274 --> 00:08:30,343 that were beneficial to the Hells Angels. 133 00:08:30,443 --> 00:08:32,712 Intelligence, cunning, loyalty. 134 00:08:32,779 --> 00:08:35,115 The ability to be violent at the drop of a hat. 135 00:08:38,118 --> 00:08:40,353 Fortunately, there was the Vietnam War going on. 136 00:08:51,731 --> 00:08:53,433 We finally have reached the point 137 00:08:53,500 --> 00:08:56,836 where we can begin to bring Americans home from Vietnam. 138 00:08:59,639 --> 00:09:01,674 (SOMBER MUSIC PLAYING) 139 00:09:03,910 --> 00:09:05,245 DOYLE: You had a sense when you came back... 140 00:09:07,347 --> 00:09:08,314 of disappointment. 141 00:09:10,817 --> 00:09:13,386 People didn't feel they fit into society anymore 142 00:09:13,386 --> 00:09:14,788 after what they'd seen and done. 143 00:09:17,991 --> 00:09:21,494 You could just leave adrenaline constantly every day 144 00:09:21,594 --> 00:09:23,430 just to stay alive. 145 00:09:23,496 --> 00:09:27,967 And come back here, and somebody wanted me to work 9:00 to 5:00 at a factory? 146 00:09:31,805 --> 00:09:35,942 Or I can get a motorcycle and ride at 90 miles an hour and party my brains out. 147 00:09:38,478 --> 00:09:40,413 It's a choice you gotta make. 148 00:09:43,416 --> 00:09:45,952 Vietnam did help with the Hells Angels recruiting. 149 00:09:47,787 --> 00:09:50,190 The bond that forms in the military, it's more than a friendship. 150 00:09:51,257 --> 00:09:53,626 We're a brotherhood. 151 00:09:53,693 --> 00:09:55,662 There were a number of other clubs, 152 00:09:55,662 --> 00:09:57,964 but people coming from the military would want to go to the Hells Angels 153 00:09:58,031 --> 00:09:59,466 because you want to join the best. 154 00:10:03,470 --> 00:10:08,108 A lot of Vietnam vets were in the Hells Angels at the time. 155 00:10:08,174 --> 00:10:14,681 Military, one, two, military, three, four, five. 156 00:10:15,548 --> 00:10:18,418 He was in the Navy. Him. 157 00:10:20,053 --> 00:10:21,020 That's about it. 158 00:10:24,491 --> 00:10:26,192 DOYLE: After bringing in some new members, 159 00:10:26,259 --> 00:10:28,862 Sonny wanted Butch to use the Angels 160 00:10:28,862 --> 00:10:32,632 to get rid of some of the other clubs that were in Cleveland. 161 00:10:32,699 --> 00:10:36,236 Because each of those clubs would be selling methamphetamine. 162 00:10:36,302 --> 00:10:38,872 So it was about drugs, it was about territory. 163 00:10:40,039 --> 00:10:42,642 They would beat them up, intimidate them. 164 00:10:42,709 --> 00:10:46,246 They would do what they needed to do to take over their market. 165 00:10:46,312 --> 00:10:49,682 One step at a time, one club at a time, one individual at a time. 166 00:10:49,749 --> 00:10:52,886 The Hells Angels in Cleveland thought that they were going to dominate, 167 00:10:52,952 --> 00:10:54,621 and it was just a matter of time. 168 00:10:56,289 --> 00:11:00,827 In 1971, the Hells Angels got rid of most of their competition. 169 00:11:00,827 --> 00:11:02,095 The one that was left, 170 00:11:02,195 --> 00:11:05,098 the one that was not being intimidated was the Breed. 171 00:11:09,068 --> 00:11:12,372 These Breed had been riding together for a while. 172 00:11:13,406 --> 00:11:16,309 Around 1970, they came to Cleveland. 173 00:11:16,376 --> 00:11:19,679 They put patches on just about every little Honda rider all over town. 174 00:11:21,314 --> 00:11:24,350 They started just building up their numbers real big. 175 00:11:29,622 --> 00:11:32,659 ZANOSKAR: That space there was the Polish Women's Hall. 176 00:11:35,261 --> 00:11:38,498 It was a Polish neighborhood, and they would have events there. 177 00:11:39,866 --> 00:11:42,569 They decided to have a bike show 178 00:11:42,635 --> 00:11:46,306 to show trophy motorcycles, custom motorcycles. 179 00:11:48,041 --> 00:11:50,944 The Hells Angels had several bikes in the show, 180 00:11:51,044 --> 00:11:53,646 but at the time, I wasn't a member. 181 00:11:53,713 --> 00:11:55,682 I was a hang-around. 182 00:11:55,748 --> 00:11:58,084 I wanted to be like these guys. 183 00:12:03,456 --> 00:12:07,360 We came in the front entrance, and we're there. 184 00:12:07,427 --> 00:12:08,995 "Oh, we're at the bike show. 185 00:12:09,062 --> 00:12:11,230 "Oh, good time. Ah, beautiful bikes. 186 00:12:11,297 --> 00:12:13,967 "Look at that chick over there. Wow. Yeah. Hey." 187 00:12:14,934 --> 00:12:17,403 Crouch was in front of me. 188 00:12:17,470 --> 00:12:21,040 And we're walking up the steps, and we're looking around. 189 00:12:21,107 --> 00:12:23,476 And the Breed first started coming in. 190 00:12:26,713 --> 00:12:29,949 I'd never heard of any kind of rivalry. 191 00:12:30,016 --> 00:12:32,819 I'm not a member. I'm not privy to that kind of information. 192 00:12:34,821 --> 00:12:38,524 MIKE DUGAN: There was an off-duty officer working the event. 193 00:12:38,591 --> 00:12:42,495 He called the district, saying, "It looks like there's going to be trouble." 194 00:12:42,595 --> 00:12:44,831 I was one of those officers dispatched to help. 195 00:12:46,733 --> 00:12:49,168 Upon my arrival, one thing that popped out, 196 00:12:49,235 --> 00:12:52,305 there were a lot more Breed than there were Hells Angels. 197 00:12:54,407 --> 00:12:57,744 You've got to understand the numbers of people. 198 00:12:57,844 --> 00:13:04,784 There was one article, this guy says he lost count at 124 Breed. 199 00:13:04,851 --> 00:13:09,322 And I always say that there was 32 of us there in total. 200 00:13:14,060 --> 00:13:17,664 And we're going up to where the rest of the Hells Angels were. 201 00:13:17,664 --> 00:13:20,767 And they're all looking at us. 202 00:13:20,833 --> 00:13:23,803 As we're walking through there, walking through the crowd. 203 00:13:27,540 --> 00:13:30,276 And that hall is packed now. 204 00:13:32,312 --> 00:13:35,248 Butch locked eyes with some Breed member, he says, 205 00:13:35,314 --> 00:13:37,717 "You know, why don't you suck my (BLEEP)? Give me some (BLEEP)", you know? 206 00:13:40,753 --> 00:13:42,322 And then the (BLEEP) hit the fan. 207 00:13:50,463 --> 00:13:53,166 I saw somebody jump very quickly, 208 00:13:53,232 --> 00:13:55,168 and then everybody was fighting around me. 209 00:14:00,440 --> 00:14:02,709 They're screaming, some crying. 210 00:14:04,277 --> 00:14:05,244 The panic. 211 00:14:06,346 --> 00:14:07,880 Crouch gutted somebody. 212 00:14:09,148 --> 00:14:12,085 One of the Breed, he gutted him from his (BLEEP) to his teeth. 213 00:14:13,986 --> 00:14:15,988 DUGAN: We called a citywide alert. 214 00:14:16,055 --> 00:14:18,558 Any policeman anywhere in the city 215 00:14:18,624 --> 00:14:21,394 go to Marble and Broadway, Polish Women's Hall. 216 00:14:23,096 --> 00:14:25,698 There was, like, 200 people. 217 00:14:25,798 --> 00:14:29,202 All that energy, all that violence. 218 00:14:30,536 --> 00:14:33,506 When you're outnumbered almost eight to one, 219 00:14:33,606 --> 00:14:36,075 you've got to watch your back, you've got to watch your side 220 00:14:36,142 --> 00:14:37,677 and you've got to watch the guy in front of you. 221 00:14:39,278 --> 00:14:41,414 DUGAN: You could see knives flashing, 222 00:14:41,481 --> 00:14:45,952 people were dropping to the ground, trails of blood all over. 223 00:14:46,018 --> 00:14:49,222 And the knife wounds were focused on the back. 224 00:14:53,826 --> 00:14:56,362 I was a hang-around, I wasn't a member. 225 00:14:56,429 --> 00:14:57,497 This was all new to me. 226 00:14:59,232 --> 00:15:01,400 I mean, there was no plan. 227 00:15:02,235 --> 00:15:03,369 It just happened. 228 00:15:05,638 --> 00:15:07,440 We were defending ourselves. 229 00:15:11,477 --> 00:15:12,912 That was planned. That wasn't self-defense. 230 00:15:14,781 --> 00:15:17,917 I've heard from several people who were patch-wearing members of the Hells Angels 231 00:15:17,984 --> 00:15:19,318 that it was planned ahead of time. 232 00:15:20,953 --> 00:15:22,622 CROUCH: Prior to the Polish Women's Hall, 233 00:15:22,688 --> 00:15:25,558 these Breed, they said that they were going to come there to that hall, 234 00:15:25,625 --> 00:15:28,428 and they weren't going to leave until all the Hells Angels were down. 235 00:15:28,428 --> 00:15:30,062 And we'd heard about it. 236 00:15:30,062 --> 00:15:31,430 A policeman had told us about it. 237 00:15:33,299 --> 00:15:36,402 DOYLE: So the Angels brought in members from other chapters, 238 00:15:36,469 --> 00:15:39,071 Massachusetts, several chapters from New York, 239 00:15:39,138 --> 00:15:41,307 and they prepositioned weapons 240 00:15:41,407 --> 00:15:43,876 inside the hall a day or so before. 241 00:15:46,078 --> 00:15:47,113 They had been in the military, 242 00:15:47,113 --> 00:15:49,949 and they understood the importance of surprise. 243 00:15:51,150 --> 00:15:52,552 They knew that they were going to be surrounded 244 00:15:52,618 --> 00:15:54,921 by Breed members in colors, and that occurred. 245 00:15:55,655 --> 00:15:57,156 But unbeknownst to the Breed, 246 00:15:57,223 --> 00:15:59,158 there were a number of other Angels from other chapters 247 00:15:59,225 --> 00:16:02,829 not in colors that had surrounded them. 248 00:16:02,895 --> 00:16:06,265 So when it started, the Breed were taken by surprise, 249 00:16:06,332 --> 00:16:07,567 and they suffered many casualties. 250 00:16:11,070 --> 00:16:13,639 They were men against boys. 251 00:16:15,107 --> 00:16:16,709 They didn't know what was happening. 252 00:16:19,378 --> 00:16:23,349 I kept hitting this one kid, and I noticed his eyes was rolling back. 253 00:16:23,416 --> 00:16:25,585 And I looked up, and there was an arm coming down with a knife in it, 254 00:16:25,651 --> 00:16:27,587 and he stuck me in the chest. 255 00:16:27,653 --> 00:16:30,356 So I pulled my knife, and I killed him. 256 00:16:30,423 --> 00:16:33,059 That was the first person I ever killed. 257 00:16:33,159 --> 00:16:35,828 Then I went on, and I got stabbed again, and I got stabbed in the back. 258 00:16:35,828 --> 00:16:39,232 And I woke up on the floor with my knife sticking in some guy. 259 00:16:41,467 --> 00:16:42,702 Then there's a lull. 260 00:16:44,070 --> 00:16:45,371 Everybody's looking around. 261 00:16:46,873 --> 00:16:50,343 And naturally, you hear police sirens. 262 00:16:50,443 --> 00:16:52,712 There's cops now coming into the door. 263 00:16:54,113 --> 00:16:56,916 We put some people in a car, and we took off. 264 00:16:58,651 --> 00:17:01,821 DUGAN: There were policemen from all over the city grabbing bikers. 265 00:17:03,389 --> 00:17:08,628 A picture emerged like something no officer ever sees in his career. 266 00:17:08,694 --> 00:17:11,697 NEWSCASTER: Five persons were killed and 22 injured last night 267 00:17:11,797 --> 00:17:15,401 when two motorcycle gangs fought during a motorcycle show in Cleveland. 268 00:17:16,302 --> 00:17:18,604 MAN: I found one dead on arrival. 269 00:17:18,671 --> 00:17:21,274 One died on the cart. 270 00:17:21,340 --> 00:17:23,209 One died for me on the operating table. 271 00:17:24,911 --> 00:17:29,015 Obviously, the end score is what mattered to everybody. 272 00:17:29,081 --> 00:17:32,418 And there were five Breed killed and only one Hells Angel. 273 00:17:34,987 --> 00:17:37,957 DOYLE: The Polish Women's Hall was about drugs. 274 00:17:38,024 --> 00:17:40,826 After Polish Women's Hall, the Hells Angels took over 275 00:17:40,893 --> 00:17:43,996 basically all the methamphetamine distribution in the... 276 00:17:44,063 --> 00:17:45,264 In the Greater Cleveland area. 277 00:17:48,634 --> 00:17:51,704 MUHIC: There was a quote from Sonny Barger that said, 278 00:17:51,804 --> 00:17:56,108 "In the '60s, we just had a lot of fun and games and a lot of partying. 279 00:17:56,175 --> 00:17:58,844 "And then in the '70s, they became gangsters." 280 00:18:00,646 --> 00:18:03,516 After the Polish Women's Hall, People feared them. 281 00:18:03,582 --> 00:18:10,389 They established themselves very firmly as "We're the boss." 282 00:18:10,456 --> 00:18:14,026 Fifty-six motorcycle gang members were formally charged 283 00:18:14,026 --> 00:18:16,095 with first-degree murder in Cleveland today, 284 00:18:16,195 --> 00:18:20,433 following that fight between rival gangs at a cycle show last Saturday. 285 00:18:22,034 --> 00:18:26,005 DOYLE: The problem was people from either side, the Breed or the Angels 286 00:18:26,072 --> 00:18:28,474 would not talk to the police, would not cooperate. 287 00:18:29,642 --> 00:18:30,610 They all kept their mouth shut. 288 00:18:32,712 --> 00:18:34,447 They were all charged with multiple counts of murder. 289 00:18:37,016 --> 00:18:41,020 Some walked away with one count of manslaughter each and probation. 290 00:18:42,822 --> 00:18:46,425 They not only beat the Breed, but they beat the legal system. 291 00:18:46,425 --> 00:18:48,127 (BUZZER SOUNDS) 292 00:18:48,194 --> 00:18:50,029 They went to jail, and they were there for about seven, eight months. 293 00:18:53,699 --> 00:18:56,602 ZANOSKAR: Day after the Polish Women's Hall, I went to go visit them. 294 00:18:57,870 --> 00:18:59,705 Crouch was having a hard time walking. 295 00:19:00,606 --> 00:19:01,841 He got stabbed in the back, 296 00:19:01,907 --> 00:19:03,876 and it took him a while 297 00:19:03,943 --> 00:19:06,512 to get the mobility back in his legs. 298 00:19:08,247 --> 00:19:09,382 They were reading books. 299 00:19:11,550 --> 00:19:14,286 (CHUCKLES) Yeah, The Godfather had come out. 300 00:19:15,588 --> 00:19:17,790 (FLUTE MUSIC PLAYING) 301 00:19:17,857 --> 00:19:20,593 DOYLE: The Godfather had a big impact on a lot of people. 302 00:19:20,660 --> 00:19:22,895 I'm gonna make him an offer he can't refuse. 303 00:19:24,930 --> 00:19:28,434 While in jail, someone obtains a copy of The Godfather, 304 00:19:28,434 --> 00:19:30,036 and it's read and passed around. 305 00:19:32,538 --> 00:19:36,275 They fell in love with the whole lore of the Mafia. 306 00:19:36,342 --> 00:19:40,546 And they were able to take a lot of those philosophies and ideologies. 307 00:19:41,847 --> 00:19:44,050 To become a made member of the Mafia, 308 00:19:44,116 --> 00:19:45,184 you have to commit a murder. 309 00:19:46,452 --> 00:19:48,120 They sit there and look around the cellblock, 310 00:19:48,187 --> 00:19:49,588 and they realize we've already done that. 311 00:19:50,623 --> 00:19:54,026 They realized if you have a organization 312 00:19:54,093 --> 00:19:56,062 where everyone is bonded by murder, 313 00:19:56,929 --> 00:19:58,864 the person who commits the murder 314 00:19:58,864 --> 00:20:01,000 is not going to turn on the club. 315 00:20:01,067 --> 00:20:03,836 That ensures silence and that ensures loyalty. 316 00:20:06,105 --> 00:20:10,009 We all became secret and organized. 317 00:20:10,076 --> 00:20:13,045 A new member, when he joins the club, he has to kill someone. 318 00:20:14,380 --> 00:20:18,084 He has six months to roll his bones. 319 00:20:18,150 --> 00:20:20,186 And if they renege on that, then they are killed, 320 00:20:21,520 --> 00:20:23,022 because then he knows too much. 321 00:20:25,491 --> 00:20:28,627 DOYLE: In The Godfather, they make their bones, 322 00:20:28,694 --> 00:20:30,396 bikers roll their bones. 323 00:20:32,064 --> 00:20:35,601 If you're willing to do this, then you're willing to be a brother for life. 324 00:20:37,269 --> 00:20:39,305 DOYLE: It was a closely-guarded secret, 325 00:20:39,405 --> 00:20:41,507 new members are required to roll your bones. 326 00:20:42,675 --> 00:20:44,009 You're required to kill. 327 00:20:46,512 --> 00:20:50,549 I was a prospect for, um, 19 weeks 328 00:20:50,616 --> 00:20:53,552 before I got my patch. 329 00:20:58,691 --> 00:21:01,460 When I got my patch, I became a member. 330 00:21:04,230 --> 00:21:06,031 (INTERVIEWER SPEAKING) 331 00:21:08,234 --> 00:21:09,201 I don't know. 332 00:21:17,977 --> 00:21:20,412 MUHIC: The Hells Angels dealt with the Breed, 333 00:21:20,479 --> 00:21:24,750 but their nemesis throughout the entire country would be the Outlaws. 334 00:21:24,817 --> 00:21:26,485 You know, chomping at their heels. 335 00:21:26,552 --> 00:21:27,987 They want to be number one. 336 00:21:29,188 --> 00:21:31,123 MAN: The Hells Angels and the Outlaws 337 00:21:31,190 --> 00:21:34,160 are in a bloody struggle for the drug and vice trade. 338 00:21:35,828 --> 00:21:37,596 (OMINOUS MUSIC PLAYING) 339 00:21:40,399 --> 00:21:43,068 They are, to say the least, well-armed, 340 00:21:43,169 --> 00:21:45,171 and a lot of their time is spent 341 00:21:45,237 --> 00:21:47,106 going to gang members' funerals. 342 00:21:48,474 --> 00:21:50,509 DOYLE: In terms of rolling your bones, 343 00:21:50,576 --> 00:21:52,311 if I am going to kill for the club, 344 00:21:52,378 --> 00:21:54,613 I'm going to gain status in the club by doing it. 345 00:21:54,680 --> 00:21:57,249 But I'm gonna gain greater status by killing an Outlaw. 346 00:21:59,818 --> 00:22:02,988 Then the Outlaw war came along. 347 00:22:02,988 --> 00:22:06,959 And the killings just kind of got out of hand. 348 00:22:07,026 --> 00:22:11,430 DOYLE: To go after the Outlaws, they put together a taking care of business fund. TCB. 349 00:22:17,870 --> 00:22:20,206 The Cleveland chapter used that money 350 00:22:20,272 --> 00:22:23,909 to travel around the country, killing for other chapters. 351 00:22:23,976 --> 00:22:26,312 If you had a problem, no matter what chapter you were, 352 00:22:26,312 --> 00:22:28,881 you called Cleveland, and business was taken care of. 353 00:22:31,116 --> 00:22:33,352 They created a murder cult. 354 00:22:33,419 --> 00:22:36,589 CHRISTIE: The Polish Women's Hall put Cleveland on the map. 355 00:22:36,589 --> 00:22:39,625 After that, they had a reputation of 356 00:22:39,625 --> 00:22:41,327 "You don't want to (BLEEP) with these guys." 357 00:22:42,494 --> 00:22:44,363 MATTER: I knew the Cleveland Hells Angels. 358 00:22:44,430 --> 00:22:47,032 They were serious individuals. 359 00:22:47,099 --> 00:22:50,636 They was known well for taking care of business. 360 00:22:50,703 --> 00:22:55,207 DROBAN: Murder became so normalized in the Cleveland chapter. 361 00:22:55,274 --> 00:22:58,010 There were no repercussions for it. 362 00:22:58,077 --> 00:23:01,013 MAN: The leader of the Outlaws found the bodies at dawn. 363 00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:03,282 He described the scene as a slaughterhouse. 364 00:23:05,117 --> 00:23:09,121 They began to want to monetize this particular skill set. 365 00:23:09,188 --> 00:23:11,624 DOYLE: As long as I'm killing, I might as well make money for it. 366 00:23:11,624 --> 00:23:14,660 So it evolved into contract murders. 367 00:23:18,664 --> 00:23:20,966 DROBAN: By the mid-1970s, the Hells Angels 368 00:23:21,033 --> 00:23:23,068 became much more of an organized criminal syndicate. 369 00:23:27,072 --> 00:23:29,074 DOYLE: The chapters have a President, a Vice President, 370 00:23:29,141 --> 00:23:31,143 a Treasury Secretary, a Sergeant at Arms. 371 00:23:32,912 --> 00:23:35,281 And after the Polish Women's Hall, 372 00:23:35,347 --> 00:23:37,249 they appointed someone an intelligence officer. 373 00:23:40,119 --> 00:23:44,456 Intelligence officer was established back in '73, 374 00:23:44,556 --> 00:23:47,226 and it was an office to gather all the information they could 375 00:23:47,293 --> 00:23:48,794 on any club in the United States, 376 00:23:48,861 --> 00:23:51,096 any police officer, any newsman. 377 00:23:51,196 --> 00:23:53,899 Anybody that the Hells Angels had a grudge against. 378 00:23:53,999 --> 00:23:57,436 And when the new member was to roll his bones, 379 00:23:57,503 --> 00:23:59,638 the intelligence would set up the hit. 380 00:24:03,709 --> 00:24:06,011 (INTERVIEWER SPEAKING) 381 00:24:07,513 --> 00:24:09,315 Yeah, you mentioned that yesterday. 382 00:24:09,381 --> 00:24:10,983 (STAMMERS) What's that about? 383 00:24:12,251 --> 00:24:13,419 (INTERVIEWER SPEAKING) 384 00:24:14,186 --> 00:24:16,021 No, I never told you that. 385 00:24:17,656 --> 00:24:21,126 I never referred to myself as an intelligence officer. 386 00:24:22,661 --> 00:24:24,396 (INTERVIEWER SPEAKING) 387 00:24:24,463 --> 00:24:27,199 -You said about... -Investigator. There you go. 388 00:24:31,837 --> 00:24:34,807 DOYLE: Matt Zanoskar was viewed as one of the people 389 00:24:34,873 --> 00:24:37,076 who was collecting information on us, 390 00:24:37,142 --> 00:24:38,744 "us" being the police officers. 391 00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:45,884 People don't understand the ability they have to collect information. 392 00:24:45,951 --> 00:24:48,520 There was a Hells Angel that was married 393 00:24:48,587 --> 00:24:50,823 to a Cleveland police officer. 394 00:24:50,823 --> 00:24:55,027 One of them had a girlfriend who worked as a clerk of courts. 395 00:24:55,094 --> 00:24:57,429 One of them had a girlfriend who worked for the phone company. 396 00:24:58,931 --> 00:25:00,632 CROUCH: Hells Angels know a lot of people. 397 00:25:00,699 --> 00:25:03,635 They call them spies that bring them information. 398 00:25:03,635 --> 00:25:06,105 Numerous police officers, police chiefs. 399 00:25:06,205 --> 00:25:08,874 They keep a record of everyone. 400 00:25:08,941 --> 00:25:14,713 The person, types of cars, what girls they used to go with, families. 401 00:25:16,515 --> 00:25:20,519 DOYLE: I know that they had information on my family. 402 00:25:20,586 --> 00:25:22,421 They knew where my children went to school. 403 00:25:23,655 --> 00:25:25,624 Some people viewed them as a group of people 404 00:25:25,624 --> 00:25:27,960 that were just drinking and riding motorcycles. 405 00:25:28,026 --> 00:25:29,328 What are you talking about? 406 00:25:29,395 --> 00:25:33,198 You're being paranoid, but I know those files existed. 407 00:25:37,236 --> 00:25:40,472 REPORTER: Another bombing here in the Greater Cleveland area, 408 00:25:40,539 --> 00:25:42,374 the bombing capital of the United States. 409 00:25:49,114 --> 00:25:50,883 Bomb city. 410 00:25:50,949 --> 00:25:52,818 There were bombs going off everywhere. 411 00:25:55,954 --> 00:25:57,356 Both his legs are blown off. 412 00:25:57,423 --> 00:26:01,126 That man will never walk no more, long as he live. 413 00:26:01,193 --> 00:26:03,595 There was a large number of people 414 00:26:03,662 --> 00:26:06,799 that were either killed or disappeared. 415 00:26:06,865 --> 00:26:09,868 And many of them were organized crime related. 416 00:26:09,968 --> 00:26:12,905 Cleveland really became a war zone. 417 00:26:13,005 --> 00:26:16,642 In one year alone, there were 37 bombings. 418 00:26:16,708 --> 00:26:18,477 CERMAK: The most difficult part about being 419 00:26:18,544 --> 00:26:20,145 the bombing capital of the country 420 00:26:20,245 --> 00:26:22,614 was the fact that we were not putting anybody in jail. 421 00:26:25,117 --> 00:26:27,352 We just kept knocking up against a brick wall. 422 00:26:28,620 --> 00:26:30,522 DROBAN: One of the most notorious bombings 423 00:26:30,589 --> 00:26:33,959 took place on January 7th, 1975. 424 00:26:35,828 --> 00:26:38,864 And it will have an impact on Butch Crouch 425 00:26:38,864 --> 00:26:41,967 that reverberates for a very long time. 426 00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:43,001 (BOMB EXPLODING) 427 00:26:56,548 --> 00:26:57,883 (DOOR CREAKS OPEN) 428 00:26:57,950 --> 00:26:59,351 (BOMB EXPLODING) 429 00:27:01,386 --> 00:27:05,090 DROBAN: This particular bombing really impacted the city. 430 00:27:06,558 --> 00:27:08,760 A young woman by the name of Mary Ann Sigley 431 00:27:08,827 --> 00:27:11,864 and her two-year-old son are killed. 432 00:27:15,167 --> 00:27:16,602 DOYLE: Was this a random act? 433 00:27:16,668 --> 00:27:19,471 Is this a person who was crazy out there doing something? 434 00:27:19,471 --> 00:27:20,439 People were horrified. 435 00:27:26,078 --> 00:27:27,479 DROBAN: After the Sigley murders, 436 00:27:27,546 --> 00:27:30,082 the citizens of Cleveland were really alarmed. 437 00:27:31,116 --> 00:27:32,818 It, sort of, woke the city up to, 438 00:27:32,918 --> 00:27:34,553 you know, we've got a real problem here. 439 00:27:36,622 --> 00:27:39,591 This is the intelligence report from the Sigley bombings. 440 00:27:39,658 --> 00:27:43,262 One person reported the sky being illuminated just before the explosion. 441 00:27:44,997 --> 00:27:48,400 Some of the other witnesses also reported hearing individuals laughing 442 00:27:48,467 --> 00:27:50,369 and running away just before the blast. 443 00:27:52,104 --> 00:27:54,773 The forensic examination showed some portions 444 00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:59,611 of the explosive device had military components. 445 00:28:03,315 --> 00:28:05,918 One of the components was a parachute flare. 446 00:28:06,585 --> 00:28:08,020 Phosphorus flare. 447 00:28:08,120 --> 00:28:09,621 That's unusual. 448 00:28:09,721 --> 00:28:10,989 That's military type equipment. 449 00:28:14,459 --> 00:28:18,997 There have been a number of large-scale thefts of military weapons. 450 00:28:19,064 --> 00:28:22,601 DOYLE: Just before the Cleveland bombings, and shortly after Vietnam, 451 00:28:22,668 --> 00:28:24,970 people were breaking into armories 452 00:28:25,037 --> 00:28:26,972 stocked with military equipment. 453 00:28:28,206 --> 00:28:29,575 When the girlfriend of a Hells Angel 454 00:28:29,641 --> 00:28:31,076 informed Cleveland Intelligence 455 00:28:31,076 --> 00:28:35,013 about a cache of weapons, a search warrant was done. 456 00:28:36,448 --> 00:28:38,951 They found one anti-tank rocket, 457 00:28:39,017 --> 00:28:43,488 one pound of unknown explosives, one 1.5 pound block of TNT, 458 00:28:43,555 --> 00:28:45,924 different types of hand grenades, 459 00:28:45,991 --> 00:28:49,194 and two signal parachute flares. 460 00:28:52,631 --> 00:28:53,865 There were bombings in Cleveland 461 00:28:53,865 --> 00:28:57,436 where parachute flares were involved. 462 00:28:57,502 --> 00:29:01,240 It established a link between some of the Cleveland bombings and the Hells Angels. 463 00:29:04,343 --> 00:29:06,912 MUHIC: These guys had armament training in Vietnam, 464 00:29:06,912 --> 00:29:10,048 and they came back and used that training here to make money. 465 00:29:13,785 --> 00:29:16,588 DROBAN: The evidence pointed to the Hells Angels being involved 466 00:29:16,588 --> 00:29:18,090 in the Sigley bombing, 467 00:29:18,156 --> 00:29:20,626 where the mother and two-year-old child were killed. 468 00:29:23,395 --> 00:29:27,099 DOYLE: At a later date, I learned the real story about the Sigley bombing. 469 00:29:29,368 --> 00:29:31,670 Harry Chakirelis was having a one-year anniversary 470 00:29:31,770 --> 00:29:34,206 of his ascension to full patch member. 471 00:29:34,272 --> 00:29:37,809 At that party, there was a cake. 472 00:29:37,876 --> 00:29:42,080 And it was pointed out that he had not rolled his bones. 473 00:29:42,147 --> 00:29:44,716 There was some hard feelings about it. 474 00:29:44,716 --> 00:29:48,020 The cake was taken by Chakirelis, and he said, 475 00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:50,155 "When I come back, I'll have rolled my bones." 476 00:30:01,066 --> 00:30:04,736 The Hells Angels were at war with the Outlaws. 477 00:30:04,803 --> 00:30:08,040 And they thought the Sigleys was an Outlaw Motorcycle target. 478 00:30:09,141 --> 00:30:10,976 But they had bad information. 479 00:30:11,043 --> 00:30:12,611 It was a mistaken identity. 480 00:30:15,147 --> 00:30:20,185 Harry Chakirelis came back, and they started calling him the baby killer. 481 00:30:20,185 --> 00:30:23,755 It was a running joke, and Harry Chakirelis wore this with some bravado. 482 00:30:25,624 --> 00:30:27,326 Butch thought that was wrong. 483 00:30:27,392 --> 00:30:28,360 Totally wrong. 484 00:30:29,761 --> 00:30:33,565 Somehow he still saw himself as an honorable man. 485 00:30:33,632 --> 00:30:36,368 And killing women and children was beneath him 486 00:30:37,102 --> 00:30:38,837 and it was beneath the club. 487 00:30:40,472 --> 00:30:43,709 Butch also identified the child victim with his daughter. 488 00:30:46,645 --> 00:30:48,914 He had a young daughter of the same age. 489 00:30:51,316 --> 00:30:53,151 MUHIC: He was a stone-cold criminal. 490 00:30:53,218 --> 00:30:56,154 But one of the pictures I remember seeing of Butch 491 00:30:56,221 --> 00:30:59,858 was with his young daughter giving him a kiss. 492 00:31:02,961 --> 00:31:04,529 Somewhere deep down inside of the guy, 493 00:31:04,596 --> 00:31:06,398 he had some type of conscience. 494 00:31:09,368 --> 00:31:12,070 After the senseless killing of women and children, 495 00:31:12,137 --> 00:31:14,172 they're not the same as they used to be. 496 00:31:14,239 --> 00:31:17,776 It just kind of tore it and they got away from the brotherhood. 497 00:31:19,644 --> 00:31:23,148 He's thinking about the repercussions of it. 498 00:31:23,248 --> 00:31:25,016 And not criminal repercussions, 499 00:31:25,083 --> 00:31:27,352 but he's thinking about the moral repercussions. 500 00:31:28,854 --> 00:31:32,591 He began to question what he was doing, 501 00:31:32,657 --> 00:31:34,059 and what the Hells Angels were doing. 502 00:31:35,861 --> 00:31:41,299 But for Butch to betray the brotherhood would have been impossible. 503 00:31:42,567 --> 00:31:43,535 He was trapped. 504 00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:50,408 DOYLE: The Cleveland Hells Angels 505 00:31:50,475 --> 00:31:53,879 moved from a motorcycle club to a murder cult. 506 00:31:53,945 --> 00:31:56,681 To be a member of the Hells Angels in Cleveland, 507 00:31:56,748 --> 00:31:58,016 you had to commit murder. 508 00:31:58,083 --> 00:32:01,319 Not every chapter was that a requirement. 509 00:32:01,386 --> 00:32:05,557 And the irony of all ironies, Butch helped create that requirement. 510 00:32:07,626 --> 00:32:11,396 In many ways, Butch Crouch was a victim of his own creation. 511 00:32:13,432 --> 00:32:18,837 It kind of evolved all into just one big organization for profit. 512 00:32:18,904 --> 00:32:21,273 And it got away from the brotherhood. 513 00:32:21,273 --> 00:32:24,609 And now, uh, it's nothing to kill anybody. 514 00:32:24,676 --> 00:32:26,511 They've perfected it. 515 00:32:26,578 --> 00:32:28,513 Their killing skills, their intelligence, 516 00:32:28,513 --> 00:32:30,282 they've perfected everything. 517 00:32:39,758 --> 00:32:42,627 MATTER: Someone from Cleveland had come up and stayed 518 00:32:42,627 --> 00:32:44,129 with the Minnesota Hells Angels. 519 00:32:45,263 --> 00:32:46,665 They was worried about Butch. 520 00:32:47,866 --> 00:32:49,534 He tells me "We can't find Butch. 521 00:32:49,601 --> 00:32:51,803 "We haven't seen him since, uh, USA run." 522 00:32:53,405 --> 00:32:55,507 He's been gone that long. 523 00:32:55,607 --> 00:32:57,509 They was very worried about it, I should say. 524 00:33:01,146 --> 00:33:05,684 DOYLE: Originally, Sonny Barger had sent Butch Crouch to Cleveland. 525 00:33:05,750 --> 00:33:09,988 So he seeks out his mentor, his hero in Tennessee. 526 00:33:10,555 --> 00:33:11,623 And they speak. 527 00:33:14,025 --> 00:33:16,027 CHRISTIE: Sonny said, 528 00:33:16,027 --> 00:33:19,364 "We're all in it for ourselves now, so do what you gotta do." 529 00:33:21,299 --> 00:33:24,002 Sonny tells him "There is no brotherhood. 530 00:33:24,669 --> 00:33:25,804 "Take the money and run 531 00:33:25,871 --> 00:33:28,807 "because one day, this is all going to collapse, 532 00:33:28,874 --> 00:33:31,510 "and only those with money will not be in prison." 533 00:33:32,477 --> 00:33:34,512 His world is shattered. 534 00:33:34,579 --> 00:33:37,482 He's hearing from the leader of the Hells Angels 535 00:33:37,549 --> 00:33:40,986 that everything that you thought you believed in, 536 00:33:40,986 --> 00:33:44,189 all the ideals that you really pledged your life for 537 00:33:44,256 --> 00:33:45,490 really never existed. 538 00:33:47,392 --> 00:33:49,661 DOYLE: That's the thing that pushed him over the edge. 539 00:33:53,999 --> 00:33:56,134 Tell the guards to let people in quick as you can. 540 00:33:56,201 --> 00:33:57,402 We've got to get started. 541 00:33:58,770 --> 00:34:00,639 (TENSE MUSIC PLAYING) 542 00:34:03,475 --> 00:34:05,911 DOYLE: Butch Crouch turned himself in 543 00:34:06,011 --> 00:34:09,414 and told of the crimes he had committed with the Hells Angels. 544 00:34:11,483 --> 00:34:13,385 (INTERVIEWER SPEAKING) 545 00:34:18,423 --> 00:34:21,726 It was devastating. It was devastating. 546 00:34:21,793 --> 00:34:26,364 It almost started fights amongst the members 547 00:34:26,431 --> 00:34:31,469 because they had faith in him, and he betrayed... 548 00:34:32,971 --> 00:34:37,442 the patch and the people that wore it. 549 00:34:40,445 --> 00:34:43,214 MATTER: Cleveland was very worried about Butch. 550 00:34:43,281 --> 00:34:46,051 I mean, most of them would be looking at life. Everybody would. 551 00:34:46,117 --> 00:34:48,019 You know, so there was real concern. 552 00:34:49,588 --> 00:34:54,793 We sent an attorney and one of our members to Washington, DC 553 00:34:54,859 --> 00:34:57,429 to listen for themselves. 554 00:34:57,495 --> 00:35:02,033 And they had him distorted so you couldn't see his face and all this. 555 00:35:02,100 --> 00:35:07,439 But it was Clarence Crouch giving testimony to Congress. 556 00:35:14,045 --> 00:35:16,848 Hells Angel has a memory like an elephant. 557 00:35:16,915 --> 00:35:18,717 And he never forgets. 558 00:35:18,817 --> 00:35:21,353 If they have a grievance with somebody, it never ends. 559 00:35:23,188 --> 00:35:25,991 He testified that drugs, torture, rape and kidnapping 560 00:35:25,991 --> 00:35:28,727 are part of everyday life in the Hells Angels. 561 00:35:28,793 --> 00:35:31,930 That murder is a requirement for membership. 562 00:35:31,997 --> 00:35:34,366 Have you abandoned the Hells Angels now? 563 00:35:34,432 --> 00:35:35,667 -CROUCH: Oh, yes. -Entirely? 564 00:35:35,667 --> 00:35:36,801 -CROUCH: Oh, yes, completely. -For life? 565 00:35:36,868 --> 00:35:38,636 CROUCH: Oh, yes. 566 00:35:38,703 --> 00:35:41,906 Butch walked in, and he gave them everything. 567 00:35:42,007 --> 00:35:45,644 They didn't have a case on him when he decided to roll. 568 00:35:45,710 --> 00:35:47,412 He just rolled. 569 00:35:47,479 --> 00:35:50,081 And so that's a pretty powerful statement. 570 00:35:51,483 --> 00:35:53,385 DOYLE: He didn't rat anybody out. 571 00:35:53,451 --> 00:35:55,487 A rat is a person who tells on somebody 572 00:35:55,553 --> 00:35:56,721 to get out of the problems they're in. 573 00:35:56,788 --> 00:35:59,591 He was in no problem. He told on himself. 574 00:35:59,658 --> 00:36:02,961 He told about the other murders and he told on the murders he committed, too. 575 00:36:03,028 --> 00:36:04,229 And he went to prison for that. 576 00:36:04,329 --> 00:36:06,164 He didn't have to. He could have walked away from the club 577 00:36:06,231 --> 00:36:07,866 and not said a word. 578 00:36:07,866 --> 00:36:09,434 So he's not a rat. 579 00:36:09,434 --> 00:36:12,237 He's a person trying to save his soul somehow, in some way. 580 00:36:14,339 --> 00:36:18,076 When something of that gravity happens, 581 00:36:18,076 --> 00:36:21,046 it sends ripples and rumors through the club, 582 00:36:21,112 --> 00:36:23,748 and everybody starts thinking, 583 00:36:23,848 --> 00:36:27,318 "If a guy like him flips, who in the hell is next?" 584 00:36:29,187 --> 00:36:33,124 CERMAK: This was probably the most significant accomplishment 585 00:36:33,191 --> 00:36:36,394 regarding outlaw motorcycle gangs in the country. 586 00:36:38,196 --> 00:36:42,233 It helped us put together some criminal prosecutions. 587 00:36:48,673 --> 00:36:50,508 (INTERVIEWER SPEAKING) 588 00:36:52,277 --> 00:36:53,745 I don't know nothing about it, 589 00:36:53,845 --> 00:36:56,281 except later on, some people got charged with it. 590 00:36:58,083 --> 00:36:59,384 (INTERVIEWER SPEAKING) 591 00:36:59,484 --> 00:37:01,553 Hells Angels were charged with it. 592 00:37:04,055 --> 00:37:08,359 DOYLE: Butch testified against Harry Chakirelis in the Sigley bombing trial, 593 00:37:08,426 --> 00:37:10,995 but the case was pretty strong without his testimony. 594 00:37:12,430 --> 00:37:14,699 CERMAK: When the Angels were found... 595 00:37:16,101 --> 00:37:19,471 not guilty, it was kind of a shock. 596 00:37:22,273 --> 00:37:26,177 There wasn't enough evidence to proceed with the prosecution of the case. 597 00:37:28,113 --> 00:37:29,514 DOYLE: We couldn't believe it. 598 00:37:30,782 --> 00:37:33,451 We should have suspected something was afoot. 599 00:37:41,292 --> 00:37:44,762 CERMAK: The presiding judge Rule 29'd the case, 600 00:37:44,829 --> 00:37:46,231 which means that he determined 601 00:37:46,297 --> 00:37:49,801 that there was not sufficient evidence to convict, 602 00:37:49,868 --> 00:37:51,870 and he made that decision on his own. 603 00:37:53,471 --> 00:37:56,040 The judge in the case was James J. McGettrick. 604 00:37:58,276 --> 00:38:01,513 DOYLE: Judge McGettrick is in a bar a day or two after this trial, 605 00:38:01,513 --> 00:38:02,480 this verdict. 606 00:38:03,481 --> 00:38:05,150 And he's drinking. 607 00:38:05,250 --> 00:38:06,718 He gets up and goes to the bathroom. 608 00:38:09,587 --> 00:38:11,990 An ATF agent who worked undercover a lot, 609 00:38:12,056 --> 00:38:16,528 he goes into the bathroom, and he makes a comment to the judge 610 00:38:16,594 --> 00:38:18,596 "Good job you did with the Hells Angels." 611 00:38:19,964 --> 00:38:21,833 To which the judge responds, 612 00:38:21,900 --> 00:38:23,401 "Well, thank you, but they haven't paid me 613 00:38:23,468 --> 00:38:25,003 "all the money yet." (CHUCKLES) 614 00:38:28,106 --> 00:38:30,875 I'd love to say it was great planning and investigative work, 615 00:38:30,942 --> 00:38:34,679 but it was sheer luck and alcohol. 616 00:38:37,115 --> 00:38:39,150 REPORTER: James McGettrick is running for re-election, 617 00:38:39,217 --> 00:38:40,585 and his indictment for bribery 618 00:38:40,685 --> 00:38:43,688 could not have come at a worse time for him. 619 00:38:43,755 --> 00:38:47,525 He's been criticized frequently for dismissing cases. 620 00:38:47,592 --> 00:38:53,998 Further investigation revealed $6,500 was used by the Hells Angels 621 00:38:54,065 --> 00:38:58,670 to bribe Judge McGettrick to fix the Sigley bombing case. 622 00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:06,878 ZANOSKAR: The story came out about he took a bribe to make that Rule 29. 623 00:39:06,878 --> 00:39:08,246 (INTERVIEWER SPEAKING) 624 00:39:09,747 --> 00:39:11,082 Don't know. 625 00:39:11,149 --> 00:39:14,118 -(INTERVIEWER SPEAKING) -Don't know. 626 00:39:15,854 --> 00:39:18,957 But what pissed me off about that was 627 00:39:20,658 --> 00:39:24,562 they shortchanged the judge. 628 00:39:25,830 --> 00:39:31,369 Somebody shortchanged the judge. 629 00:39:31,436 --> 00:39:36,274 And to this day, I have no idea who it was. 630 00:39:36,274 --> 00:39:39,244 That would have never probably been found out 631 00:39:39,310 --> 00:39:42,814 had the judge not been shortchanged. 632 00:39:46,284 --> 00:39:48,319 DOYLE: Well, going back to the Polish Women's Hall, 633 00:39:48,386 --> 00:39:50,355 Butch said they paid off the judges. 634 00:39:51,422 --> 00:39:52,924 Yes, they'd been doing that all along. 635 00:39:54,425 --> 00:39:57,562 And Judge McGettrick is the proof. 636 00:39:57,629 --> 00:40:00,832 He stood in court and admitted he took bribes 637 00:40:00,898 --> 00:40:02,033 to let murderers off. 638 00:40:05,503 --> 00:40:07,005 The Hells Angels were getting away with murder. 639 00:40:12,910 --> 00:40:16,748 DROBAN: Without Butch, we may never have learned any of this. 640 00:40:16,848 --> 00:40:20,518 Butch did reveal the acts of the Hells Angels. 641 00:40:20,585 --> 00:40:22,720 He did spill their secrets. 642 00:40:24,322 --> 00:40:26,291 He did the right thing. 643 00:40:38,236 --> 00:40:40,238 He's relocated to Texas, 644 00:40:40,305 --> 00:40:43,107 and he lives a very unassuming life. 645 00:40:44,742 --> 00:40:48,479 He remarries, and he suffers from ill health. 646 00:40:48,546 --> 00:40:51,049 Always worried that the Hells Angels 647 00:40:51,115 --> 00:40:53,918 are gonna exact revenge for his betrayal. 648 00:40:56,054 --> 00:40:59,357 DOYLE: We would speak on the phone on a large number of occasions. 649 00:41:00,024 --> 00:41:01,025 We were friendly. 650 00:41:02,293 --> 00:41:04,996 We talked about where he was at. 651 00:41:05,063 --> 00:41:06,631 He seemed to be a likable person. 652 00:41:07,865 --> 00:41:12,437 At one point, we made arrangements to go fishing. 653 00:41:12,503 --> 00:41:16,808 Authorities have identified the victims in an apparent double murder suicide. 654 00:41:16,874 --> 00:41:21,179 85-year-old Vivian Dome and her son, 61-year-old Willard Landry, 655 00:41:21,245 --> 00:41:23,548 were found Monday morning inside their burning home. 656 00:41:23,648 --> 00:41:27,585 73-year-old Paul Dome was found in a nearby vehicle. 657 00:41:39,831 --> 00:41:41,666 DOYLE: Before Butch Crouch came forward, 658 00:41:41,733 --> 00:41:45,169 law enforcement did not understand the world of the Hells Angels. 659 00:41:46,504 --> 00:41:48,673 Butch's information provided a road map, 660 00:41:48,673 --> 00:41:51,876 an overview of how the Hells Angels operated. 661 00:41:51,876 --> 00:41:55,346 He was the first Hells Angel to give law enforcement 662 00:41:55,446 --> 00:42:00,118 a complete understanding of how this criminal organization operated. 663 00:42:00,184 --> 00:42:01,753 That was his legacy. 664 00:42:05,923 --> 00:42:07,525 DOYLE: When he passed, 665 00:42:07,592 --> 00:42:11,028 I was told there actually was a party celebrating his, his demise 666 00:42:12,030 --> 00:42:13,398 by the Hells Angels. 667 00:42:15,466 --> 00:42:17,835 INTERVIEWER: How did you feel when you heard that he died? 668 00:42:24,409 --> 00:42:25,443 It's over. 669 00:42:27,879 --> 00:42:32,016 He killed his wife and killed himself, 670 00:42:33,384 --> 00:42:35,019 and put the house on fire. 671 00:42:35,119 --> 00:42:36,687 It was over. 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