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{\an1}"The Captain"
is presented by Capitol One.
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{\an1}What’s in your wallet?
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{\an1}you.
Kamilo: Pleasure to meet you.
DeKamilo: Hello I am doinKamilo.
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{\an1}Kamilo: You were a legend back
in the day.
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{\an1}Derek: Thank you (laughs)...
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{\an1}Kamilo: What’s it
like being famous?
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{\an1}Derek: Not a lot of privacy.
Everyone
knows what you’re doing.
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{\an1}Kamilo: I just one asking for
your phone number.
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{\an1}DereK: To
call me?
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{\an1}Kamilo: Yeah.
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{\an1}Derek: How often? Do you call a
lot?
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{\an1}Kamilo: Once in a while. Do
you ever miss your hair?
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{\an1}Derek: (laughs)
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{\an1}"The Captain"
is presented by Capitol One.
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{\an1}♪
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{\an1}Derek:
I’ve lived a dream, you know,
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{\an1}since I was 4 or 5 years old,
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{\an1}and part of that dream
is over now.
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{\an1}The fans are chanting,
"Thank you, Derek."
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{\an1}And I’m thinking to myself,
"What are you thanking me for?"
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{\an1}I just try to do my job,
you know?
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{\an1}Really, they’re the ones
that I want to thank.
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{\an1}They’re the ones
that have made this special.
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{\an1}It’s kind of hard
when people ask you questions
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{\an1}about what it’s like
dealing with the media,
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{\an1}what it’s like
dealing with the fans.
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{\an1}The relationship
that I’ve had with the fans
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{\an1}and the public
has been a good one.
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{\an1}But I grew up in the public eye,
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{\an1}and there are certain things
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{\an1}that you want to keep
near and dear.
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{\an1}[ Indistinct shouting ]
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{\an1}Man: Derek Jeter
was in a fishbowl
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{\an1}from the minute
he arrived in New York.
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{\an1}You’re talking about a guy
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{\an1}who came up as this touted
rookie shortstop
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{\an1}who went on to win
Rookie of the Year
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{\an1}on a team
that won the World Series,
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{\an1}and that just set the tone
for his entire time
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{\an1}in a Yankee uniform
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{\an1}that the spotlight
was always on Derek.
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{\an1}Jordan:
We stay in front of the camera
pretty much our whole lives,
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{\an1}you know,
and expectations been on us
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{\an1}for our whole lives.
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{\an1}One wrong move
can destroy your image,
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{\an1}what you’ve built,
and what people think of you.
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{\an1}I always wanted
to protect that place
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{\an1}that I could go where,
you know --
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{\an1}you don’t want to say
"feel normal,"
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{\an1}because you always feel normal.
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{\an1}But where you can go
where it doesn’t feel
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{\an1}as though all eyes are on you.
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{\an1}♪
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{\an1}♪
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{\an1}♪
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{\an1}[ Crowd cheering ]
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{\an1}♪
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{\an1}[ Crowd cheering ]
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{\an1}♪
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{\an1}♪
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{\an1}[ Camera shutters clicking ]
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{\an1}Crowd: Der-ek Jet-er!
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{\an1}Buck: It seemed predetermined
that we’d be right back here
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{\an1}a year later
for a rematch of sorts.
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{\an1}Torre: 2004, you know,
you have to go into
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{\an1}that lion’s cage again, man.
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{\an1}You got to play the Red Sox
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{\an1}in order to get
to the World Series.
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{\an1}McCarver:
These two cities simmering
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{\an1}with enthusiasm
and anticipation.
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{\an1}Rodriguez:
We knew whoever won this series
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{\an1}was gonna be
World Series champions.
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{\an1}Announcer:
The pitch to Matsui.
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{\an1}Fly ball deep down
the right-field line.
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{\an1}Here comes Jeter!
Here comes A-Rod!
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{\an1}Bases-clearing double!
Hideki Matsui!
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{\an1}We won games. They’re like gold.
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{\an1}Announcer: Yankees win!
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{\an1}Torre: You win game 1,
you win game 2.
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{\an1}Announcer: Swung on
and lined to deep right.
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{\an1}And it’s gone! John...
He got a pitch...
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{\an1}[ Crowd chanting
"Who’s your daddy?" ]
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{\an1}Here’s the 1-2.
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{\an1}He stuck him out swinging!
Ballgame over!
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{\an1}Yankees win!
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{\an1}Sheffield: Well, as far as
the players were concerned,
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{\an1}I knew it was over.
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{\an1}There was no way
they’re gonna beat us.
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{\an1}Buck:
That ball is up and out.
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{\an1}An unbelievable display.
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{\an1}Announcer: Hideki Matsui with
his second home run of the game.
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{\an1}Yeah, I mean, look.
We jumped out 3-0 on Boston.
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{\an1}I mean, especially after game 3.
We blew them out.
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{\an1}Announcer: He hauls it in, and
this one mercifully has ended.
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{\an1}Buck:
Amazing, impressive night.
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{\an1}Sherman: Yankees killed them
to go up three games to none.
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{\an1}Alex Rodriguez is
the best hitter on the Yankees.
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{\an1}It’s like the Red Sox didn’t
complete the trade for A-Rod.
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{\an1}A-Rod is carrying the Yankees.
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{\an1}Nobody’s ever come back
from three-nothing down.
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{\an1}McCarver: And a ton of trouble
for the Red Sox.
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{\an1}We’re one loss away from
getting swept by the Yankees?
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{\an1}It just felt like
the ultimate kick in the nuts.
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{\an1}You show up the next day,
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{\an1}and you’re unsure,
walking to the ballpark.
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{\an1}You’re like, "Are we just
walking to our execution?"
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{\an1}But then the outlook
of certain guys changed --
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{\an1}changed the whole mood
in the clubhouse.
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{\an1}Williams:
We had a good relationship
still with Ramiro Mendoza,
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{\an1}which is one of the pitchers
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{\an1}that ended up pitching
with the Red Sox.
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{\an1}All the families
went out in Boston to eat,
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{\an1}and we invited Ramiro.
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{\an1}We were in heaven, you know?
It’s like three games, you know?
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{\an1}To us, it was just a formality.
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{\an1}And then Ramiro
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{\an1}says this bold thing
in the middle of the table.
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{\an1}He says, "Guys,
we’re gonna win the series."
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{\an1}And we go, like,
"Are you freaking crazy?!"
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{\an1}Don’t let us
win this game tonight.
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{\an1}Then they get Petey,
and then they get Schill game 6.
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{\an1}And game 7,
anything happens.
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{\an1}Starting to, like,
develop this heartbeat,
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{\an1}you know, the sense that like,
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{\an1}"...it.
We have nothing to lose."
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{\an1}Buck: The 1-2.
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{\an1}That’s a two-out single
for Jeter
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{\an1}and keeps the inning alive
for Alex Rodriguez.
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{\an1}A-Rod goes into left center
field. Back at the wall.
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{\an1}Alex Rodriguez has hit one
over the Monster.
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{\an1}Mariano Rivera faced
four batters in the eighth
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{\an1}and will work to the bottom
of the order here in the ninth,
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{\an1}trying to finish off a sweep.
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{\an1}Now pinch runner Dave Roberts
is gonna come in for Boston.
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{\an1}When he came in, everyone in the
stadium knew he was stealing.
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{\an1}Right? That’s tough to do.
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{\an1}Buck: That was close.
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{\an1}Mueller still waiting
for his first pitch.
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{\an1}Roberts is going.
Posada’s throw...
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{\an1}Roberts. Safe.
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{\an1}♪
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{\an1}Derek:
And, I mean, if this ball was
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{\an1}6 inches on the other side,
he’s out.
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{\an1}It didn’t happen.
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{\an1}And, you know,
that’s the way it goes.
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{\an1}But I don’t want to talk
about this anymore.
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{\an1}[ Chuckles ]
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{\an1}Buck: Up the middle.
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{\an1}Roberts will come to the plate.
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{\an1}Bill Mueller has tied it.
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{\an1}Bottom of the 12th. A 4-4 game.
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{\an1}Ortiz into deep right field.
Back is Sheffield.
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{\an1}We’ll see you later tonight!
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{\an1}Torre:
You know, you lose a game,
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{\an1}and you -- you lose
a little confidence.
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{\an1}Buck: One of the most clutch
postseason performers
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{\an1}in their franchise history
at the plate, Derek Jeter.
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{\an1}And at this point, this is
the biggest at bat of the night.
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{\an1}Derek: You know, you never think
you have the luxury
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{\an1}of three games to win one.
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{\an1}You know, it’s -- you got to --
You got to finish it.
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{\an1}Buck: Red Sox clinging
to a 2-1 lead.
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{\an1}Line drive. It is gonna be fair
down the right-field line.
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{\an1}Throw home. Safe.
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{\an1}It’s a 3-run extra-base hit
for Jeter,
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{\an1}who drives in his first runs
of this ALCS.
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{\an1}We had a 2-run lead
in the eighth inning.
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{\an1}I had Derek sacrifice.
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{\an1}McCarver: I think
Jeter’s too good a hitter
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{\an1}to be bunting here.
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{\an1}Buck: He does bunt.
The sacrifice is good. 1-4.
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{\an1}And, you know,
Alex was the next hitter.
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{\an1}Buck: The 2-2.
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{\an1}Got him. Up and in. Two out.
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{\an1}And a big strikeout for Timlin.
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{\an1}Torre: That hurt.
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{\an1}Buck: Ortiz hits it
to deep left field.
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{\an1}Back at the Monster and gone.
It’s a one-run game.
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{\an1}Derek: You can easily tell when
pressure’s getting to people,
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{\an1}especially if you haven’t been
in those types of games before.
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{\an1}Buck: Nixon with a base hit
to center,
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{\an1}and Roberts will go to third.
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{\an1}Trying to keep it 4-3, New York.
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{\an1}In the air to center,
and it’s a 4-4 game.
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{\an1}Torre: You know,
those things are signs,
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{\an1}not that it’s bad luck for you,
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{\an1}but maybe the good luck,
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{\an1}you know,
stopped happening for you.
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{\an1}Buck: Clark hits it
into the right-field corner.
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{\an1}That ball is going to bounce
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{\an1}and go into the seats
for a ground-rule double.
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{\an1}Boy, that grand-rule double
was spooky.
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{\an1}I mean, only in Fenway Park.
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{\an1}I mean, it hit the ledge
of the low wall.
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{\an1}Our runner
was basically rounding third,
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{\an1}and he had to go
all the way back,
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{\an1}and we go, "Oh, my God."
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{\an1}Buck: Ortiz fights it off.
Center field.
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{\an1}Damon running to the plate.
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{\an1}And he can keep on running
to New York!
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{\an1}Derek:
Once they came back in game 5,
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{\an1}all the pressure
now had turned to us.
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{\an1}Sherman:
Between game 5 and 6,
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{\an1}somebody from the Yankees
calls me and says,
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{\an1}"I know nobody’s ever blown
a three-nothing lead before.
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{\an1}We can’t get 27 outs well
in game 7.
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{\an1}We have to win game 6.
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{\an1}Otherwise we’re
gonna make history."
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{\an1}Buck:
The story with Schilling,
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{\an1}the ruptured sheath around
the tendon, his right ankle.
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{\an1}Here we go with Curt Schilling
and his bloody sock.
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{\an1}Derek:
I don’t think people realized
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{\an1}how bad it was
prior to the game,
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{\an1}and during the game
he didn’t look any different.
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{\an1}Buck: Is the thought on
a wet night like this, at all,
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{\an1}making him field his position,
dropping down bunts?
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{\an1}Torre: You know, if I felt
that that was a detriment,
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{\an1}I would have said,
"Damn right. Let’s bunt."
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{\an1}But I just didn’t do that.
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{\an1}Sheffield: We didn’t have guys
that wanted to do that,
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{\an1}that was willing to win
at all costs.
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{\an1}This ain’t what I pictured
the Yankees to be.
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{\an1}I don’t know how many guys
we had that really could bunt.
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{\an1}I guess I could have.
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{\an1}Posada: The little luck,
the little things,
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{\an1}everything was going their way.
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{\an1}Announcer: Swing and a fly ball
deep down the left-field line.
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{\an1}Back goes Matsui.
And it is off the wall, in play.
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{\an1}Buck: It hit that fan.
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{\an1}McCarver: Black pullover.
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{\an1}Buck: And it’s a home run.
4-0, Boston.
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{\an1}We had great players,
but this was a different team.
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{\an1}Right? It is.
Not saying it’s good or bad.
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{\an1}But it’s different.
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{\an1}Announcer:
The new pitcher, Bronson Arroyo.
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{\an1}Buck: Working in the bottom
of the eighth
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{\an1}with a 4-1 lead.
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{\an1}There’s pressure
once you get to the postseason.
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{\an1}You know?
You can’t make mistakes.
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{\an1}Buck: Now it’s Jeter,
with Rodriguez to follow.
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{\an1}Announcer: The pitch.
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{\an1}Swung on, lined.
It’s a base hit, left field.
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{\an1}Cairo rounds third. He’ll score.
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{\an1}And the Yankees trail, 4-2,
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{\an1}and they have the tying run
at the plate.
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{\an1}Buck: Alex Rodriguez.
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{\an1}Off the end of the bat.
Arroyo...
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{\an1}The ball gets loose.
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{\an1}Jeter coming all the way around.
It’s a one-run game.
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{\an1}Sheffield: When I saw that ball
trickling down right field,
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{\an1}I said,
"We’re gonna win this game."
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{\an1}He made a hard play, and this
is what I’ve been waiting on.
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{\an1}Buck: And now we’re gonna
have an argument
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{\an1}as Francona comes
out of the dugout.
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{\an1}Announcer: He swatted the ball
out of Arroyo’s hand.
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{\an1}Here’s the thing, man.
In the heat of the moment...
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{\an1}I remember Mike Tyson bite
a couple ears off, right?
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{\an1}You’re trying to represent
the whole state of New York.
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{\an1}You’re trying to win.
There’s enormous pressure.
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{\an1}The only choice you have
is just Karate Kid something.
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{\an1}You know, in retrospect,
I should have just, you know,
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{\an1}sat there and let him tag me,
be a good boy.
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{\an1}Buck:
And they’re gonna call him out.
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{\an1}They’re gonna bring Jeter
all the way back to first base.
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{\an1}The umpires call Rodriguez out
on interference.
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{\an1}Two out in the ninth inning.
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{\an1}Will those ghosts reappear
for the Yankees?
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{\an1}The Yankees had a chokehold
on this series,
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{\an1}up three games to none.
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{\an1}The Red Sox
have won three straight.
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{\an1}Sherman:
The championship Yankees,
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{\an1}it had this group dynamic
of trust
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{\an1}where they all believed
in each other,
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{\an1}and by believing in the group,
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{\an1}it took the pressure away
from the individual.
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{\an1}Announcer:
Game 7 of the American League
Championship Series.
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{\an1}Sherman:
Once they moved away from that,
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{\an1}they’re bringing in players
who believe,
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{\an1}"We will only win if I succeed."
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{\an1}And suddenly
that pressure is palpable.
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{\an1}Buck: And here’s Ortiz.
He rips one into right field.
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{\an1}Back at the wall. 2-0, Red Sox.
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{\an1}Sherman:
These are big personalities.
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{\an1}Are we sure anyone
could be the captain of that
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{\an1}and make it work seamlessly?
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{\an1}Buck: Damon hits it in the air
to right field.
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{\an1}Sheffield back, at the wall.
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{\an1}A grand slam!
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{\an1}Torre: I can’t accept all
the great things that happened
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{\an1}that went in our favor
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{\an1}without understanding that it
may not happen all the time.
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{\an1}Buck:
Bellhorn hits it into right.
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{\an1}If it’s fair, it’s gone.
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{\an1}[ Rattling ]
It is gone.
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{\an1}Torre: It was one postseason
that you wish hadn’t happened,
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{\an1}but I don’t think
I ever lost sleep over
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{\an1}saying I wish I had done this
instead of that.
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{\an1}McCarver:
I don’t think I have ever seen
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{\an1}that expression
on Derek Jeter’s face.
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{\an1}Buck: It’s midnight
here at Yankee Stadium.
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{\an1}Here it is.
Ground ball to second. Reese.
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{\an1}The Boston Red Sox
have won the pennant!
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{\an1}There it is!
We did it!
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{\an1}Williams:
For all the success that
we have had against the Red Sox,
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{\an1}I think 2004 made up
for all of it for them.
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{\an1}I mean, there is
no more embarrassing way
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{\an1}of losing a series.
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{\an1}I don’t think there’s
anything in the world
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{\an1}that can top that.
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{\an1}Derek: You know, it’s --
it’s misery, you know?
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{\an1}Sick to my stomach.
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{\an1}Got out of New York.
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{\an1}Um...
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{\an1}Went back home.
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{\an1}Boston won the World Series.
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{\an1}Manny Ramirez had a sign saying,
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{\an1}"Jeter’s playing golf
right now,"
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{\an1}during the parade.
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{\an1}Someone had sent it to me.
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{\an1}Um...
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{\an1}So, yeah, that made me sick.
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{\an1}♪
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{\an1}Posada:
I didn’t sleep well for a while,
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{\an1}and going over in my head
and going over in my head.
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{\an1}I kept looking at the tapes.
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{\an1}I even timed myself on
the stolen base by Dave Roberts.
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{\an1}1.91, you know,
down to second base.
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{\an1}Curry:
As great a team as you had,
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{\an1}you’re now remembered
as the team
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{\an1}that blew a three-to-nothing
deficit.
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{\an1}Epstein: It felt like a bit
of an exorcism, you know,
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{\an1}that there were these ghosts,
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{\an1}obviously,
that were haunting us.
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{\an1}All of a sudden we had gotten
through it, we had triumphed.
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{\an1}We were writing our own story
for once.
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{\an1}Bryant: And to do it there,
to do it in the old place,
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{\an1}to do it at Yankee Stadium,
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{\an1}this place where so many things
had happened.
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{\an1}It’s not hyperbolic to say
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{\an1}that that was the moment
that changed everything.
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{\an1}Russo: The Red Sox
are going to the World Series.
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{\an1}Francesa:
They dragged the Yankees
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{\an1}around the field for four hours.
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{\an1}That was a mugging
with an audience.
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{\an1}Kay:
The thing with New York is
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{\an1}it’s got the greatest
media presence in the world,
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{\an1}and I think
it’s the greatest place
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{\an1}probably to play when you win,
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{\an1}but it’s really, really tough
if you don’t do well.
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{\an1}Jones:
The New York market is one
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{\an1}that beats you down
without even trying
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{\an1}because no team’s gonna win
enough for the New York media.
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{\an1}Francesa: The Yankees’
performance has been putrid,
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{\an1}and Duke’s played center field
like he’d never seen it before.
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{\an1}It can be
absolutely unforgiving.
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{\an1}And for the player who can’t
handle it, it’s a problem.
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{\an1}And we’ve seen many players come
through here and not handle it.
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{\an1}It’s a bitch
playing in New York,
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{\an1}you know, and it’s not easy.
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{\an1}[ Indistinct conversations ]
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{\an1}The mere volume of reporters.
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{\an1}You got 30, 40 members
of the media at home games.
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{\an1}You have beat writers.
You have columnists.
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{\an1}You have TV. You have radio.
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{\an1}I mean,
you have a full clubhouse.
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{\an1}Sherman:
Early part of Derek’s career,
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{\an1}newspapers are still dominant.
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{\an1}The Daily News,
New York Post tabloid war
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{\an1}is still a thing that
doesn’t really exist anymore.
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{\an1}So, like,
if there’s an exclusive
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{\an1}on the back page
of the Daily News
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{\an1}and you work at the
New York Post,
that’s a bad day.
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{\an1}Feinsand:
When I worked at the Daily News,
I would wake up every morning
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{\an1}and go to the
New York Post website
to see what was in there
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{\an1}because if I got beat
by the New York Post,
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{\an1}I knew that the call from my
editor was coming pretty soon
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{\an1}if it hadn’t been the one
that woken me up already.
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{\an1}Zillo: Mark’s job for writing
for the Daily News
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{\an1}was to get something
on the back page
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{\an1}that was gonna help somebody
who’s walking past
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{\an1}on the subway platform
to buy the paper.
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{\an1}Derek Jeter is gonna help the
Daily News sell newspapers.
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{\an1}Sherman: You’re judged by,
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{\an1}what do other people have,
what do you have?
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{\an1}It creates a, um, aggression
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{\an1}in how you cover the team,
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{\an1}especially if you want to keep
this very prestigious beat.
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{\an1}Hey, hey, hey!
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{\an1}[ Indistinct shouting ]
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{\an1}Get that guy a uniform!
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{\an1}[ Laughter ]
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{\an1}Feinsand: You can’t write
enough about Jeter.
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{\an1}You can’t write enough
about A-Rod.
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{\an1}You can’t write enough
about Matsui, Posada,
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{\an1}Rivera, Pettitte.
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{\an1}Basically, anybody making
less than $10 million
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{\an1}is probably
not worth writing about.
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{\an1}Back up to you, guys.
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{\an1}Derek: I’d like to think
that my relationship
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{\an1}with the media is a good one.
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{\an1}I didn’t try to make
their job difficult.
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{\an1}I tried to make my job easier.
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00:18:10,633 --> 00:18:13,033
{\an1}This was how I was gonna
survive in New York.
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00:18:13,135 --> 00:18:14,975
{\an1}Man: Derek,
how do you feel after
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{\an1}coming up with the first
big clutch of the year?
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{\an1}Well, you feel good.
I mean, you want to bail Mo out.
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{\an1}Pavano pitched a great game.
He deserve the win.
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{\an1}Over the years,
Mo’s saved us many times,
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{\an1}so we want to pick him up.
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{\an1}Matthews:
The way he handled the media
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{\an1}in the clubhouse was brilliant.
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{\an1}Every single game, he would
answer every single question.
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{\an1}Carig:
He was so aware of his role
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{\an1}as the face of the franchise,
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{\an1}as a face of the game,
as a captain.
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{\an1}How he dealt with the media
was a reflection of that.
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{\an1}Derek:
In order to maintain
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{\an1}a certain level of consistency
on the field,
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{\an1}my job was to limit
the distractions with our team.
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{\an1}Some members -- I don’t want
to say all members --
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{\an1}but they’re chasing headlines
and quotes.
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{\an1}And my job was to eliminate the
distractions and end stories.
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{\an1}Bryant: There are very few
players that I covered
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{\an1}that were as politically
suspicious as Derek Jeter.
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{\an1}He understood very clearly
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{\an1}that the nature
of media and player,
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{\an1}especially in New York,
is adversarial.
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{\an1}We want information
you don’t want to give us.
433
00:19:23,372 --> 00:19:24,602
{\an1}It’s how it works.
434
00:19:24,707 --> 00:19:26,247
{\an1}Well, you can’t worry
about what happened
435
00:19:26,341 --> 00:19:28,111
{\an1}in the regular season because
you get to the postseason,
436
00:19:28,210 --> 00:19:30,510
{\an1}every team is zero and zero,
so that’s the philosophy
437
00:19:30,612 --> 00:19:32,342
{\an1}we took,
and we’ve been here before.
438
00:19:32,448 --> 00:19:34,718
{\an1}We know what it takes to win,
and we continue to do it.
439
00:19:34,817 --> 00:19:37,257
{\an1}Olney:
It was absolutely an art form
440
00:19:37,352 --> 00:19:41,392
{\an1}that every day Derek
would make himself available
441
00:19:41,490 --> 00:19:43,720
{\an1}and he would go out
and speak to reporters.
442
00:19:43,826 --> 00:19:46,436
{\an1}And most days he would say
absolutely nothing.
443
00:19:46,528 --> 00:19:48,128
{\an1}Every year,
it hurts when you lose,
444
00:19:48,230 --> 00:19:50,200
{\an1}but you don’t carry one year
into the next.
445
00:19:50,299 --> 00:19:52,399
{\an1}Take it one day at a time.
We have guys that are
capable of throwing well.
446
00:19:52,501 --> 00:19:55,701
{\an1}So go out there, and hopefully
they can do the job.
447
00:19:55,804 --> 00:19:57,374
{\an1}Kay:
The writers in New York
448
00:19:57,473 --> 00:19:59,673
{\an1}want to give you
more than just the game.
449
00:19:59,775 --> 00:20:01,045
{\an1}You want to tell a story.
450
00:20:01,143 --> 00:20:03,143
{\an1}What’s Derek about?
What’s he really like?
451
00:20:03,245 --> 00:20:05,715
{\an1}Because I think New Yorkers
are curious, as well.
452
00:20:05,814 --> 00:20:07,084
{\an1}The writers dig a little deeper,
453
00:20:07,182 --> 00:20:08,882
{\an1}and I think that sometimes
angers the athletes.
454
00:20:08,984 --> 00:20:12,224
{\an1}That’s why the media and the
players are at cross-purpose.
455
00:20:12,321 --> 00:20:14,391
{\an1}Matthews: He had a couple
of standard responses.
456
00:20:14,490 --> 00:20:16,460
{\an1}If you asked him a question
about another teammate,
457
00:20:16,558 --> 00:20:18,688
{\an1}he’d say,
"You’ll have to go ask him."
458
00:20:18,794 --> 00:20:21,134
{\an1}You’d have to ask him.
I didn’t bring it up.
459
00:20:21,230 --> 00:20:23,460
{\an1}If you asked him
about something
460
00:20:23,565 --> 00:20:26,505
{\an1}that was even
slightly controversial,
461
00:20:26,602 --> 00:20:28,332
{\an1}he’d say, "First
I’m hearing of it, buddy."
462
00:20:28,437 --> 00:20:30,477
{\an1}So, that way, he wouldn’t
have to answer the question.
463
00:20:30,572 --> 00:20:32,372
{\an1}You know, to be honest,
I just found out about it
464
00:20:32,474 --> 00:20:34,544
{\an1}when the media asked me
that question, so...
465
00:20:34,643 --> 00:20:36,583
{\an1}Sometimes you’re asked
the same questions,
466
00:20:36,678 --> 00:20:38,808
{\an1}and you get into a routine,
right? "Okay. Here we go.
467
00:20:38,914 --> 00:20:41,314
{\an1}I’m answering the same question,
answering the same question."
468
00:20:41,416 --> 00:20:44,426
{\an1}Man: What sort of a letdown is
it to have to go back to Oakland
469
00:20:44,520 --> 00:20:45,820
{\an1}and to lose
in this fashion?
470
00:20:45,921 --> 00:20:47,391
{\an1}Well, you got to
forget about it.
471
00:20:47,489 --> 00:20:49,189
{\an1}Carig: Yeah, there was
a sameness of the questions.
472
00:20:49,291 --> 00:20:51,861
{\an1}On the flip side of that, when
you tried something different,
473
00:20:51,960 --> 00:20:53,330
{\an1}you got the same response.
474
00:20:53,428 --> 00:20:55,988
{\an1}So I think this is a case
where, you know,
475
00:20:56,098 --> 00:20:58,568
{\an1}it takes two
to put boring quotes out.
476
00:20:58,667 --> 00:21:01,477
{\an1}Quinn: He never broke character.
He’s always Derek Jeter.
477
00:21:01,570 --> 00:21:03,600
{\an1}You never got a sense
of who was inside there.
478
00:21:03,705 --> 00:21:05,275
{\an1}You got to work pretty hard
479
00:21:05,374 --> 00:21:07,244
{\an1}to keep things that tight
for that long.
480
00:21:07,342 --> 00:21:08,942
{\an1}That’s as impressive
a discipline
481
00:21:09,044 --> 00:21:10,484
{\an1}as anything he did on the field.
482
00:21:10,579 --> 00:21:13,509
{\an1}He was guarded.
He was vanilla at times.
483
00:21:13,615 --> 00:21:17,825
{\an1}He was not a great quote.
I think he knew that.
484
00:21:17,920 --> 00:21:19,420
{\an1}That was by design.
485
00:21:19,521 --> 00:21:21,621
{\an1}My number-one focus,
my number-one priority
486
00:21:21,723 --> 00:21:22,893
{\an1}always was winning.
487
00:21:22,991 --> 00:21:24,461
{\an1}I didn’t want distractions.
488
00:21:24,560 --> 00:21:25,990
{\an1}I didn’t want anything
that took away from my mind-set
489
00:21:26,094 --> 00:21:27,934
{\an1}when I was on the field.
I didn’t want anything
490
00:21:28,030 --> 00:21:30,560
{\an1}to take away
from the mind-set of the team.
491
00:21:30,666 --> 00:21:34,836
{\an1}I know there is a...
few people out there
492
00:21:34,937 --> 00:21:37,277
{\an1}that probably,
you know, resented it.
493
00:21:37,372 --> 00:21:40,212
{\an1}Sherman: As somebody who was
chronicling those teams,
494
00:21:40,309 --> 00:21:43,509
{\an1}he was the most important player
on those teams,
495
00:21:43,612 --> 00:21:44,882
{\an1}and it was frustrating.
496
00:21:44,980 --> 00:21:48,350
{\an1}So on one hand, I greatly
admired his discipline.
497
00:21:48,450 --> 00:21:51,220
{\an1}Like, "I’m not gonna threaten
my reputation.
498
00:21:51,320 --> 00:21:53,050
{\an1}I’m not gonna threaten
Jeter Inc.
499
00:21:53,155 --> 00:21:54,495
{\an1}by saying something stupid
500
00:21:54,590 --> 00:21:57,090
{\an1}and lose the most endorsable
player in the sport.
501
00:21:57,192 --> 00:21:59,732
{\an1}I’m not gonna lose my status
with the Yankees
502
00:21:59,828 --> 00:22:01,558
{\an1}to have a good quote."
503
00:22:01,663 --> 00:22:03,233
{\an1}And yet I really feel
504
00:22:03,332 --> 00:22:06,532
{\an1}like something was lost
to baseball in large.
505
00:22:06,635 --> 00:22:08,505
{\an1}I used the term
in a column once --
506
00:22:08,604 --> 00:22:12,744
{\an1}nobody hid it in plain sight
like Derek Jeter.
507
00:22:12,841 --> 00:22:16,441
{\an1}Verducci: In the media, we work
a lot of times on negativity.
508
00:22:16,545 --> 00:22:19,115
{\an1}Negativity gets more clicks.
509
00:22:19,214 --> 00:22:21,484
{\an1}Manning: The New York media,
they’re quick to look
510
00:22:21,583 --> 00:22:22,883
{\an1}for any sort of headline,
511
00:22:22,985 --> 00:22:24,885
{\an1}and so, you know,
when you’re playing well,
512
00:22:24,987 --> 00:22:26,557
{\an1}they want to make you
the greatest.
513
00:22:26,655 --> 00:22:29,455
{\an1}All of a sudden you have
one or two bad games, you know,
514
00:22:29,558 --> 00:22:31,368
{\an1}they’re gonna find, "Hey,
what’s wrong with this guy?
515
00:22:31,460 --> 00:22:33,690
{\an1}We got to get him out.
He’s not good enough."
516
00:22:33,795 --> 00:22:35,195
{\an1}You screw up a game, right,
517
00:22:35,297 --> 00:22:37,107
{\an1}you make an error,
and they say, "What happened?"
518
00:22:37,199 --> 00:22:39,199
{\an1}What do you mean,
what...happened?
You saw what happened.
519
00:22:39,301 --> 00:22:41,501
{\an1}You know? I missed it.
"But what happened there?"
520
00:22:41,603 --> 00:22:43,503
{\an1}The ball bounced up,
didn’t go in my glove,
521
00:22:43,605 --> 00:22:44,845
{\an1}and I missed it, you know?
522
00:22:44,940 --> 00:22:46,570
{\an1}Or, "You struck out.
What were you thinking?"
523
00:22:46,675 --> 00:22:48,445
{\an1}I’m trying to get a hit.
And I struck out.
524
00:22:48,543 --> 00:22:50,943
{\an1}You know,
those things happen, right?
525
00:22:55,517 --> 00:22:58,087
{\an1}Announcer: Popped up.
Third-base side.
526
00:22:58,186 --> 00:22:59,556
{\an1}A-Rod and Jeter.
527
00:22:59,655 --> 00:23:02,495
{\an1}And who’s gonna get it?
They drop it.
528
00:23:02,591 --> 00:23:04,021
{\an1}Oh, man.
529
00:23:04,126 --> 00:23:06,896
{\an1}Two great players are there
for the easiest pop-up.
530
00:23:06,995 --> 00:23:08,095
{\an1}And the ball came loose.
531
00:23:08,196 --> 00:23:10,136
{\an1}What else could go wrong?
532
00:23:10,232 --> 00:23:12,102
{\an1}[ Indistinct talking ]
533
00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:14,330
{\an1}Derek: Well, I think they
already had their story, right?
534
00:23:14,436 --> 00:23:16,906
{\an1}They had the story
that we didn’t get along,
535
00:23:17,005 --> 00:23:18,605
{\an1}we weren’t going to get along.
536
00:23:18,707 --> 00:23:20,847
{\an1}And they just --
that added to it.
537
00:23:20,943 --> 00:23:22,743
{\an1}Woman: Did you know it had
fallen, or did you think --
538
00:23:22,844 --> 00:23:25,114
{\an1}No, I thought he had it.
539
00:23:25,213 --> 00:23:28,053
{\an1}And then he said to me --
he said, "You got it?"
540
00:23:28,150 --> 00:23:29,350
{\an1}I thought he was
playing around.
541
00:23:29,451 --> 00:23:31,181
{\an1}So I started running
off the field
542
00:23:31,286 --> 00:23:33,856
{\an1}’cause I didn’t touch it,
and then it was on the ground.
543
00:23:33,956 --> 00:23:37,366
{\an1}That’s it. That’s all the story
you can do with the pop-up.
544
00:23:37,459 --> 00:23:38,989
{\an1}Announcer:
And he strikes out again.
545
00:23:39,094 --> 00:23:40,994
{\an1}So the struggles continue.
[ Crowd booing ]
546
00:23:41,096 --> 00:23:43,406
{\an1}And the boos reignite.
547
00:23:43,498 --> 00:23:46,098
{\an1}Murti: Fans started booing
Alex Rodriguez.
548
00:23:46,201 --> 00:23:47,901
{\an1}One of the questions that was
asked to Derek was about,
549
00:23:48,003 --> 00:23:49,673
{\an1}you know, like, "Do you have
a message to the fans?"
550
00:23:49,771 --> 00:23:51,741
{\an1}And he was like, "I’m not gonna
tell the fans not to boo."
551
00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:53,170
{\an1}Man:
Are you Alex’d out?
552
00:23:53,275 --> 00:23:55,515
{\an1}No, you got to understand,
this is a team.
553
00:23:55,610 --> 00:23:57,010
{\an1}You know,
we’re trying to win.
554
00:23:57,112 --> 00:23:58,612
{\an1}I mean, the more people
talk about the same thing
555
00:23:58,714 --> 00:24:00,354
{\an1}over and over,
the more it lingers.
556
00:24:00,449 --> 00:24:02,749
{\an1}I mean, we’re trying
to win a championship,
557
00:24:02,851 --> 00:24:04,781
{\an1}and we have 25 guys
on our team.
558
00:24:04,886 --> 00:24:08,126
{\an1}On-field performance,
that’s what fans do.
559
00:24:08,223 --> 00:24:11,123
{\an1}So every time someone
now has poor performance,
560
00:24:11,226 --> 00:24:13,126
{\an1}I’m supposed to
come out and say,
561
00:24:13,228 --> 00:24:14,758
{\an1}"Hey, man, stop booing him"?
562
00:24:14,863 --> 00:24:16,603
{\an1}It doesn’t work like that.
563
00:24:16,698 --> 00:24:19,028
{\an1}Feinsand: Alex, from the moment
he got to New York,
564
00:24:19,134 --> 00:24:22,474
{\an1}always seemed like he was
just trying really hard
565
00:24:22,571 --> 00:24:23,801
{\an1}to beat Derek Jeter.
566
00:24:23,905 --> 00:24:24,975
{\an1}He knew this was Derek’s team.
567
00:24:25,073 --> 00:24:26,813
{\an1}He knew that everybody
loved Derek.
568
00:24:26,908 --> 00:24:29,568
{\an1}Alex just wanted to be loved
the way Derek was.
569
00:24:29,678 --> 00:24:34,058
{\an1}Derek was the leader, you know,
and he gets to crown everybody.
570
00:24:34,149 --> 00:24:37,019
{\an1}Derek does not say anything bad
about anybody.
571
00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:38,779
{\an1}If he does put his stamp on it
572
00:24:38,887 --> 00:24:41,327
{\an1}and embrace you
to be a part of the team,
573
00:24:41,423 --> 00:24:43,193
{\an1}we got a chance to be great,
574
00:24:43,291 --> 00:24:46,491
{\an1}but I don’t think
Derek truly accepted him.
575
00:24:46,595 --> 00:24:49,835
{\an1}Torre: I think there was
some concern with Cash --
576
00:24:49,931 --> 00:24:55,131
{\an1}maybe Derek could have said
some things in support of Alex
577
00:24:55,237 --> 00:24:57,547
{\an1}more so than he did,
but that wasn’t Derek.
578
00:24:57,639 --> 00:25:00,339
{\an1}You know, Derek was
gonna be who he was.
579
00:25:00,442 --> 00:25:01,672
{\an1}Cashman:
I had a conversation with Derek
580
00:25:01,777 --> 00:25:03,317
{\an1}to just ask him
to do a self-test --
581
00:25:03,412 --> 00:25:06,342
{\an1}"If conflicts
between you and him exist,
582
00:25:06,448 --> 00:25:08,018
{\an1}you know, I’m not saying
it’s your fault.
583
00:25:08,116 --> 00:25:09,486
{\an1}I’m not saying it’s his fault.
584
00:25:09,584 --> 00:25:12,024
{\an1}But if there is a rift,
let’s try to smooth it out."
585
00:25:12,120 --> 00:25:13,820
{\an1}Rodriguez:
I remember him saying,
586
00:25:13,922 --> 00:25:15,522
{\an1}"You don’t have to convince him
that we’re friends.
587
00:25:15,624 --> 00:25:17,664
{\an1}You don’t have to convince him
that we’re good.
588
00:25:17,759 --> 00:25:19,889
{\an1}We don’t have to convince him
that we’re good players.
589
00:25:19,995 --> 00:25:22,735
{\an1}Like, none of that.
They asked you a question.
590
00:25:22,831 --> 00:25:26,031
{\an1}Be as vanilla as possible,
right down the middle."
591
00:25:26,134 --> 00:25:29,274
{\an1}Derek: He put up numbers every
single year he was with us.
592
00:25:29,371 --> 00:25:31,071
{\an1}Won MVP awards, right?
593
00:25:31,173 --> 00:25:36,783
{\an1}I mean, so they wanted me
to embrace him more
594
00:25:36,878 --> 00:25:38,538
{\an1}to get to what result?
595
00:25:38,647 --> 00:25:40,057
{\an1}At one point, there was
a whole joke on the beat
596
00:25:40,148 --> 00:25:43,378
{\an1}about the Yankees roster
as the "Godfather" cast.
597
00:25:43,485 --> 00:25:44,885
{\an1}Joe Torre was Don Corleone,
598
00:25:44,986 --> 00:25:47,226
{\an1}and Posada was Sonny,
the fiery temper.
599
00:25:47,322 --> 00:25:49,392
{\an1}People used to compare Derek
to Michael Corleone.
600
00:25:49,491 --> 00:25:50,921
{\an1}Once you cross him, you’re done.
601
00:25:51,026 --> 00:25:53,436
{\an1}I won’t tell you who’s Fredo.
602
00:25:53,528 --> 00:25:56,858
{\an1}Sherman: So in ’06, I wrote
a column late in the season
603
00:25:56,965 --> 00:25:59,865
{\an1}that as unselfish
as Derek’s perception is,
604
00:25:59,968 --> 00:26:02,968
{\an1}I do think he badly wanted
to win an MVP
605
00:26:03,071 --> 00:26:04,641
{\an1}someplace along the way.
606
00:26:04,739 --> 00:26:06,039
{\an1}Jeter’s numbers are exceptional.
607
00:26:06,141 --> 00:26:07,741
{\an1}They always were exceptional
in his prime,
608
00:26:07,843 --> 00:26:12,043
{\an1}but they’re probably not as good
as Morneau or David Ortiz.
609
00:26:12,147 --> 00:26:16,257
{\an1}So the extra points we always
give Jeter is for intangibles.
610
00:26:16,351 --> 00:26:18,921
{\an1}But I thought the most
intangible thing he had to do
611
00:26:19,020 --> 00:26:22,020
{\an1}in ’06 was to embrace A-Rod.
612
00:26:22,124 --> 00:26:23,664
{\an1}And he didn’t.
613
00:26:23,758 --> 00:26:25,388
{\an1}The...you want me to do, man?
614
00:26:25,494 --> 00:26:28,794
{\an1}I mean, that’s --
You know, I --
615
00:26:28,897 --> 00:26:31,267
{\an1}Yeah, I get it.
You know, I get it.
616
00:26:31,366 --> 00:26:36,946
{\an1}But I don’t know what
they wanted me to do, actually,
617
00:26:37,038 --> 00:26:41,768
{\an1}Derek, in so many ways,
was, like, perfect.
618
00:26:41,877 --> 00:26:44,417
{\an1}I was goofy as hell.
He was perfect as hell.
619
00:26:44,513 --> 00:26:46,483
{\an1}I’m an easy guy
to cheer against.
620
00:26:46,581 --> 00:26:47,781
{\an1}He’s an easy guy to cheer for.
621
00:26:47,883 --> 00:26:49,713
{\an1}Yeah, I mean,
that’s the way it rolls.
622
00:26:49,818 --> 00:26:52,188
{\an1}[ Crowd cheering ]
623
00:26:53,688 --> 00:26:56,348
{\an1}Derek: Anytime you get
recognized for having success,
624
00:26:56,458 --> 00:27:00,298
{\an1}it’s flattering, it’s humbling,
but you enjoy it.
625
00:27:00,395 --> 00:27:02,665
{\an1}[ Crowd cheering ]
626
00:27:05,634 --> 00:27:09,474
{\an1}Then it turns to people want
to know everything about you.
627
00:27:09,571 --> 00:27:11,141
{\an1}What are you doing?
Who you hanging out with?
628
00:27:11,239 --> 00:27:13,369
{\an1}Till what time?
Who you dating?
629
00:27:13,475 --> 00:27:14,975
{\an1}You have to automatically assume
630
00:27:15,076 --> 00:27:17,146
{\an1}that everything you do
is public knowledge.
631
00:27:17,245 --> 00:27:18,515
{\an1}Man: Have a good afternoon.
Bye-bye.
632
00:27:18,613 --> 00:27:22,313
{\an1}Any level of privacy
is somewhat eliminated.
633
00:27:22,417 --> 00:27:25,157
{\an1}I remember once he went
to a basketball game
634
00:27:25,253 --> 00:27:27,053
{\an1}and he was sat
next to Tyra Banks,
635
00:27:27,155 --> 00:27:28,725
{\an1}and the next minute,
they were dating,
636
00:27:28,823 --> 00:27:30,723
{\an1}when, in fact, they weren’t,
’cause he went with his dad
637
00:27:30,825 --> 00:27:33,365
{\an1}and they just happened
to be sitting together.
638
00:27:33,461 --> 00:27:35,861
{\an1}A lot of times they sheltered me
from some of that --
639
00:27:35,964 --> 00:27:36,904
{\an1}a lot of that stuff.
640
00:27:36,998 --> 00:27:38,828
{\an1}I got the protectiveness in me.
641
00:27:38,934 --> 00:27:41,234
{\an1}So if somebody says something
that I know is not true
642
00:27:41,336 --> 00:27:43,806
{\an1}or fair to my son,
I’m ready to attack,
643
00:27:43,905 --> 00:27:46,075
{\an1}even though, you know,
what am I gonna do?
644
00:27:46,174 --> 00:27:49,814
{\an1}But that’s your instinct,
I feel, as a mom.
645
00:27:49,911 --> 00:27:52,181
{\an1}Matthews: You couldn’t ask him
about a girlfriend.
646
00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:54,680
{\an1}You couldn’t ask him
about anything, you know,
647
00:27:54,783 --> 00:27:56,413
{\an1}basically outside the field.
648
00:27:56,518 --> 00:28:00,228
{\an1}If you’re Derek Jeter, a star
player in a market like this
649
00:28:00,322 --> 00:28:02,822
{\an1}with the kind of exposure
that he had
650
00:28:02,924 --> 00:28:06,424
{\an1}and the unrelenting attention,
there’s consequence.
651
00:28:06,528 --> 00:28:08,868
{\an1}Derek: Members of the media
didn’t go around asking Bernie
652
00:28:08,964 --> 00:28:11,034
{\an1}what him and his wife
did the night before.
653
00:28:11,132 --> 00:28:14,832
{\an1}They didn’t go out,
ask Tino or Paul O’Neill
654
00:28:14,936 --> 00:28:17,076
{\an1}where they went to eat
and how late they were there
655
00:28:17,172 --> 00:28:18,402
{\an1}and who they were with.
656
00:28:18,506 --> 00:28:20,846
{\an1}So I just didn’t think
it was fair to ask me.
657
00:28:20,942 --> 00:28:22,372
{\an1}You know, I think
you have to draw the line.
658
00:28:22,477 --> 00:28:24,417
{\an1}I drew the line
at a very, very young age.
659
00:28:24,512 --> 00:28:27,152
{\an1}And I just wasn’t
gonna let them cross it.
660
00:28:29,150 --> 00:28:31,680
{\an1}Derek Jeter has dated
many gorgeous women,
661
00:28:31,786 --> 00:28:34,326
{\an1}but apparently he leaves
a little gift basket
662
00:28:34,422 --> 00:28:36,322
{\an1}signed with memorabilia
in the car
663
00:28:36,424 --> 00:28:39,764
{\an1}that whisks his one-night stands
away the next morning.
664
00:28:39,861 --> 00:28:42,091
{\an1}Smith: "Page Six" is the
New York Post gossip column,
665
00:28:42,197 --> 00:28:44,067
{\an1}which covers celebrity, society,
666
00:28:44,165 --> 00:28:46,235
{\an1}sports figures,
Broadway, everything.
667
00:28:46,334 --> 00:28:48,574
{\an1}It’s the biggest gossip column
in the world.
668
00:28:48,670 --> 00:28:51,200
{\an1}We get a call,
and it’s from a girl
669
00:28:51,306 --> 00:28:54,116
{\an1}who says that she’d been
to his place twice.
670
00:28:54,209 --> 00:28:57,839
{\an1}So she described two occasions
when she got the memorabilia.
671
00:28:57,946 --> 00:29:01,256
{\an1}The first time, it was
in the car on the way home.
672
00:29:01,349 --> 00:29:03,109
{\an1}And so it wasn’t directly
given to her by Derek.
673
00:29:03,218 --> 00:29:05,088
{\an1}And then she went back
to his apartment
674
00:29:05,186 --> 00:29:06,796
{\an1}another time for another event.
675
00:29:06,888 --> 00:29:10,688
{\an1}On the way out, she was given
some Derek memorabilia.
676
00:29:10,792 --> 00:29:15,062
{\an1}I saw some pictures of it,
but we didn’t publish them.
677
00:29:15,163 --> 00:29:16,593
{\an1}That came from, back then,
678
00:29:16,698 --> 00:29:18,438
{\an1}somebody who was
a very good source.
679
00:29:18,533 --> 00:29:21,073
{\an1}It’s difficult because
Derek wouldn’t comment on it.
680
00:29:21,169 --> 00:29:23,299
{\an1}And, of course, the Yankees
wouldn’t comment on it.
681
00:29:23,405 --> 00:29:25,445
{\an1}Yeah, I read the article.
Yeah, of course.
682
00:29:25,540 --> 00:29:27,470
{\an1}You know, when you see it,
then it’s like,
683
00:29:27,575 --> 00:29:29,845
{\an1}"How the...do people
come up with this?"
684
00:29:29,944 --> 00:29:31,644
{\an1}You know, basically, that’s it.
685
00:29:31,746 --> 00:29:33,886
{\an1}I mean, and who would
believe the...
686
00:29:33,982 --> 00:29:35,112
{\an1}You believed it.
687
00:29:35,216 --> 00:29:37,156
{\an1}-It’s tacky.
-It’s a little tacky.
688
00:29:37,252 --> 00:29:38,952
{\an1}Man: This is an exclusive
"Nick and Artie."
689
00:29:39,054 --> 00:29:41,454
{\an1}We have the list of stuff
in the gift basket.
690
00:29:41,556 --> 00:29:45,126
{\an1}One is a tape of Michael Kay
saying, "See ya!"
691
00:29:45,226 --> 00:29:47,036
{\an1}I remember being at Starbucks
one time,
692
00:29:47,128 --> 00:29:49,688
{\an1}and some random guy behind me,
he says,
693
00:29:49,798 --> 00:29:51,608
{\an1}"Hey, just want to let you know,
you know,
694
00:29:51,700 --> 00:29:53,900
{\an1}I’m giving out gift baskets
’cause you did."
695
00:29:54,002 --> 00:29:57,442
{\an1}And I turned around and said,
"You’re a...idiot."
696
00:29:57,539 --> 00:29:59,499
{\an1}And the look on his face.
697
00:29:59,607 --> 00:30:01,677
{\an1}Like, he thought --
Did he think I was gonna say,
698
00:30:01,776 --> 00:30:04,046
{\an1}"Yeah, good job, man"?
699
00:30:04,145 --> 00:30:06,145
{\an1}Smith:
It was just something that
caught the public’s imagination
700
00:30:06,247 --> 00:30:08,087
{\an1}because it was slightly fun
and slightly funny,
701
00:30:08,183 --> 00:30:11,223
{\an1}and it was a little peek
into the private life of Derek
702
00:30:11,319 --> 00:30:12,979
{\an1}that we never really got to see.
703
00:30:13,088 --> 00:30:15,858
{\an1}It’s a story that became
larger than life.
704
00:30:15,957 --> 00:30:18,397
{\an1}I mean, people
keep regurgitating this story
705
00:30:18,493 --> 00:30:21,793
{\an1}that has never happened --
never happened.
706
00:30:21,896 --> 00:30:26,036
{\an1}I don’t think the article was
meant to be hostile to Derek.
707
00:30:26,134 --> 00:30:27,534
{\an1}"Wham, bam, thank you, ma’am"
708
00:30:27,635 --> 00:30:30,475
{\an1}is probably
a very New York Post phrase.
709
00:30:30,572 --> 00:30:32,402
{\an1}You’re not gonna read that
in The Times.
710
00:30:32,507 --> 00:30:33,877
{\an1}We didn’t really
want to insinuate
711
00:30:33,975 --> 00:30:35,415
{\an1}that he was sleeping
with these women.
712
00:30:35,510 --> 00:30:37,680
{\an1}It was more that they were
hanging out with him.
713
00:30:37,779 --> 00:30:40,509
{\an1}And there’s no evidence
that anything romantic
happened between them.
714
00:30:40,615 --> 00:30:42,515
{\an1}The article didn’t make him
look like a bad guy.
715
00:30:42,617 --> 00:30:45,187
{\an1}It was more him being generous,
’cause I’m sure he gets asked
716
00:30:45,286 --> 00:30:48,656
{\an1}every day for memorabilia,
for his signature.
717
00:30:48,757 --> 00:30:52,067
{\an1}[ Chuckles ]
So she wasn’t insinuating it.
718
00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:54,360
{\an1}So she should write
another article
719
00:30:54,462 --> 00:30:56,362
{\an1}saying what her intentions were.
720
00:30:56,464 --> 00:30:58,504
{\an1}That’s a good article
for her to write.
721
00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:01,000
{\an1}That’d be great.
722
00:31:01,102 --> 00:31:04,342
{\an1}Raab: I don’t know what it is
about fame,
723
00:31:04,439 --> 00:31:10,609
{\an1}what it is about celebrity
that seems so attractive.
724
00:31:10,712 --> 00:31:14,382
{\an1}You’re in proximity
to specialness.
725
00:31:14,482 --> 00:31:17,552
{\an1}You give all this meaning
and all this gravitas
726
00:31:17,652 --> 00:31:19,522
{\an1}and all this power over
to someone, and you say,
727
00:31:19,621 --> 00:31:21,521
{\an1}"Well, this person’s life
has great meaning,
728
00:31:21,623 --> 00:31:25,523
{\an1}and my life will derive meaning
from this person’s existence
729
00:31:25,627 --> 00:31:26,897
{\an1}and performance"?
730
00:31:26,995 --> 00:31:28,395
{\an1}That’s insane to me.
731
00:31:28,496 --> 00:31:30,966
{\an1}And yet it’s compelling
beyond belief.
732
00:31:31,065 --> 00:31:33,605
{\an1}Crowd: Der-ek Jet-er!
733
00:31:33,701 --> 00:31:35,031
{\an1}Der-ek Jet-er!
734
00:31:35,136 --> 00:31:37,606
{\an1}Olney: As someone who’s
in the public eye that much,
735
00:31:37,705 --> 00:31:42,515
{\an1}every day, he has dozens
and dozens and dozens of people
736
00:31:42,610 --> 00:31:43,910
{\an1}coming up to him,
737
00:31:44,012 --> 00:31:46,282
{\an1}and all of them are asking him
for something
738
00:31:46,381 --> 00:31:48,411
{\an1}or they want some part of him.
739
00:31:48,516 --> 00:31:51,786
{\an1}Derek:
I was always uncomfortable
with people staring,
740
00:31:51,886 --> 00:31:53,586
{\an1}for other reasons
when I was younger,
741
00:31:53,688 --> 00:31:56,788
{\an1}but I thought it brought out
the best in me
742
00:31:56,891 --> 00:31:58,421
{\an1}when I was playing.
743
00:31:58,526 --> 00:32:01,496
{\an1}But I think you have to
have a place to go
744
00:32:01,596 --> 00:32:05,336
{\an1}outside of your public persona.
745
00:32:05,433 --> 00:32:07,403
{\an1}Jadakiss: Success is like
a double-edged sword,
746
00:32:07,502 --> 00:32:10,072
{\an1}because everybody wants to be
the biggest in the world
747
00:32:10,171 --> 00:32:13,171
{\an1}but everybody also want to be
able to take their kid to school
748
00:32:13,274 --> 00:32:16,144
{\an1}or go get a coffee without
nobody bothering them.
749
00:32:16,244 --> 00:32:19,144
{\an1}Anything that happens with me
reflects my kids.
750
00:32:19,247 --> 00:32:22,287
{\an1}You know, I got an older son.
He’s autistic.
751
00:32:22,383 --> 00:32:26,083
{\an1}Hip-hop competition
or beefs could be cruel.
752
00:32:26,187 --> 00:32:30,197
{\an1}For so many years, I tried not
to put my son in the public eye
753
00:32:30,291 --> 00:32:31,961
{\an1}or take pictures of him
754
00:32:32,060 --> 00:32:34,160
{\an1}so somebody could
use that against me.
755
00:32:34,262 --> 00:32:38,032
{\an1}So whatever B. S. comes with me
comes to my family.
756
00:32:38,132 --> 00:32:39,462
{\an1}Nice:
Being a celebrity is one thing,
757
00:32:39,567 --> 00:32:42,077
{\an1}but then also being a celebrity
from the Bronx
758
00:32:42,170 --> 00:32:43,470
{\an1}and it being recent.
759
00:32:43,571 --> 00:32:45,101
{\an1}To say it’s weird
is an understatement
760
00:32:45,206 --> 00:32:46,846
{\an1}because it’s like
the other day,
761
00:32:46,941 --> 00:32:48,671
{\an1}I had someone come up to me,
and they were like,
762
00:32:48,776 --> 00:32:51,386
{\an1}"Oh, tell your sister
happy birthday."
763
00:32:51,479 --> 00:32:52,979
{\an1}This person’s
never met my sister.
764
00:32:53,081 --> 00:32:54,181
{\an1}This person does not
know my sister,
765
00:32:54,282 --> 00:32:56,312
{\an1}but they watched
our careers coming up.
766
00:32:56,417 --> 00:32:57,787
{\an1}You want to have a normal life.
767
00:32:57,886 --> 00:33:00,326
{\an1}You want to do things
that other people are doing.
768
00:33:00,421 --> 00:33:02,151
{\an1}So it’s just finding
that balance,
769
00:33:02,257 --> 00:33:05,797
{\an1}being around friends and family
but not being in the spotlight.
770
00:33:05,894 --> 00:33:07,664
{\an1}Jordan:
I have a small circle,
771
00:33:07,762 --> 00:33:09,662
{\an1}you know, in terms
of how I have to live my life.
772
00:33:09,764 --> 00:33:12,564
{\an1}Everybody likes to let their
hair down, you know, and relax
773
00:33:12,667 --> 00:33:16,877
{\an1}and say whatever may come
to our minds at that time
774
00:33:16,971 --> 00:33:18,371
{\an1}and not be criticized
775
00:33:18,473 --> 00:33:21,843
{\an1}or be put in a position
where we have to explain.
776
00:33:21,943 --> 00:33:25,083
{\an1}You know,
that’s what privacy really is.
777
00:33:25,179 --> 00:33:29,449
{\an1}Just be yourself and not feel
like you have to be guarded.
778
00:33:29,551 --> 00:33:32,851
{\an1}When I’m with Derek
and his family, I’m not guarded.
779
00:33:32,954 --> 00:33:34,724
{\an1}I can be who I want to be,
you know?
780
00:33:34,822 --> 00:33:36,352
{\an1}And he can do the same for me,
you know?
781
00:33:36,457 --> 00:33:39,297
{\an1}And we feel like we
protect each other in that way.
782
00:33:39,394 --> 00:33:42,064
{\an1}Derek: You have ways you act
in front of your boys
783
00:33:42,163 --> 00:33:44,763
{\an1}and joking around
with family and friends
784
00:33:44,866 --> 00:33:48,536
{\an1}that you wouldn’t do publicly,
right?
785
00:33:48,636 --> 00:33:51,176
{\an1}Everyone does, and I always
wanted to protect that.
786
00:33:51,272 --> 00:33:53,142
{\an1}There are still some things
I’m not gonna talk about
787
00:33:53,241 --> 00:33:56,211
{\an1}because I think once you let
the toothpaste out of the tube,
788
00:33:56,311 --> 00:33:57,681
{\an1}you can’t put it back in, man.
789
00:33:57,779 --> 00:33:59,579
{\an1}There’s only so many things
that you can protect.
790
00:33:59,681 --> 00:34:01,351
{\an1}And I’m big on
protecting my family,
791
00:34:01,449 --> 00:34:04,719
{\an1}on protecting my friends,
on protecting my loved ones.
792
00:34:04,819 --> 00:34:07,549
{\an1}So I think sometimes, man,
you just need a break.
793
00:34:07,655 --> 00:34:09,124
{\an1}My father’s black,
my mother’s white,
794
00:34:09,222 --> 00:34:10,623
{\an1}and people
think I’m Spanish.
795
00:34:10,724 --> 00:34:12,595
{\an1}So, you know, they don’t know
what to think.
796
00:34:12,693 --> 00:34:14,064
{\an1}You were telling me,
that’s the question
797
00:34:14,162 --> 00:34:15,432
{\an1}you get asked very often,
right, most often.
798
00:34:15,530 --> 00:34:17,430
{\an1}Right, it’s the most
often question.
799
00:34:17,532 --> 00:34:20,362
{\an1}Taylor: Derek Jeter’s media
situation is super unique,
800
00:34:20,468 --> 00:34:23,168
{\an1}not in just
that he played in New York,
801
00:34:23,271 --> 00:34:26,570
{\an1}he played for the Yankees,
but that he’s biracial,
802
00:34:26,673 --> 00:34:28,014
{\an1}he’s from the Midwest.
803
00:34:28,108 --> 00:34:30,139
{\an1}I don’t think anybody
ever asked him about,
804
00:34:30,244 --> 00:34:31,744
{\an1}you know, growing up biracial.
805
00:34:31,846 --> 00:34:34,256
{\an1}It was never brought up
in the clubhouse at all.
806
00:34:34,349 --> 00:34:35,778
{\an1}[ Crowd cheering ]
807
00:34:35,883 --> 00:34:37,722
{\an1}Taylor: There’s this thing
with biracial people
808
00:34:37,818 --> 00:34:40,588
{\an1}where there’s an ownership
that happens.
809
00:34:40,688 --> 00:34:41,918
{\an1}Most of us are like, "Okay,
810
00:34:42,023 --> 00:34:43,323
{\an1}if you say you’re black,
you’re black."
811
00:34:43,423 --> 00:34:45,064
{\an1}But that doesn’t happen
on the other side.
812
00:34:45,159 --> 00:34:47,489
{\an1}It’s, "If you got
a black parent, you black.
813
00:34:47,595 --> 00:34:49,235
{\an1}You’re not one of us."
814
00:34:49,329 --> 00:34:52,800
{\an1}Rhoden: And he probably had to
negotiate that his entire life,
815
00:34:52,900 --> 00:34:55,300
{\an1}as a lot of biracial people do.
816
00:34:55,403 --> 00:34:57,403
{\an1}You know, you love
both your parents.
817
00:34:57,505 --> 00:34:58,975
{\an1}But in the United States,
818
00:34:59,073 --> 00:35:01,443
{\an1}that is that
shellacked by racism.
819
00:35:01,542 --> 00:35:03,842
{\an1}We’re always wanting you
to choose sides.
820
00:35:03,945 --> 00:35:05,985
{\an1}It was matter of fact.
821
00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:08,910
{\an1}You know, if you’re black,
you’re black, right?
822
00:35:09,017 --> 00:35:14,657
{\an1}How I was raised was,
you know, "You’re a black man.
823
00:35:14,756 --> 00:35:16,826
{\an1}That’s how society’s
gonna view you."
824
00:35:16,924 --> 00:35:20,664
{\an1}Taylor: You may not be black
enough for certain black people
825
00:35:20,762 --> 00:35:24,502
{\an1}and you may not be white enough
for certain white people.
826
00:35:24,599 --> 00:35:26,129
{\an1}Reynolds;
Talk about a perception.
827
00:35:26,234 --> 00:35:29,934
{\an1}The perception on Derek Jeter is
that, well, Derek wasn’t black.
828
00:35:30,038 --> 00:35:31,548
{\an1}What?
829
00:35:31,639 --> 00:35:34,639
{\an1}Bryant: I don’t think the media
ever identified him as white,
830
00:35:34,742 --> 00:35:38,542
{\an1}but they didn’t look at him,
necessarily, as a black player
831
00:35:38,646 --> 00:35:42,156
{\an1}the way they looked
at Reggie or Winfield.
832
00:35:42,250 --> 00:35:45,480
{\an1}Taylor: I think Derek Jeter
is not considered on the list
833
00:35:45,586 --> 00:35:48,526
{\an1}of great black
Major League players
834
00:35:48,623 --> 00:35:49,823
{\an1}because he’s biracial.
835
00:35:49,924 --> 00:35:51,994
{\an1}I think there is reluctance,
836
00:35:52,093 --> 00:35:56,493
{\an1}hesitation, maybe a little bit
of fear in naming him that.
837
00:35:56,597 --> 00:35:59,337
{\an1}It confronts the media,
their own thinking.
838
00:35:59,434 --> 00:36:02,104
{\an1}It confronts
what their perception
839
00:36:02,203 --> 00:36:05,573
{\an1}of a black ballplayer is.
840
00:36:05,673 --> 00:36:07,143
{\an1}Bryant: I asked other people
about Derek.
841
00:36:07,241 --> 00:36:09,411
{\an1}I asked as many black players
that played with him,
842
00:36:09,510 --> 00:36:13,580
{\an1}and every one of them was like,
"Yeah, Derek was down."
843
00:36:13,681 --> 00:36:16,511
{\an1}Sheff was a little different.
Sheff’s hard-core.
844
00:36:16,617 --> 00:36:19,327
{\an1}Kremer: Gary Sheffield asserts
that white and black players
845
00:36:19,420 --> 00:36:20,690
{\an1}are coached differently
846
00:36:20,788 --> 00:36:23,688
{\an1}and says he has witnessed it
firsthand.
847
00:36:23,791 --> 00:36:25,591
{\an1}What teams have you been on
where you’ve not seen
848
00:36:25,693 --> 00:36:29,333
{\an1}white and black players
treated equally?
Yankees.
849
00:36:29,430 --> 00:36:32,560
{\an1}The Yankees’ most prominent
player is black.
850
00:36:32,667 --> 00:36:34,437
{\an1}Who?
Derek Jeter?
851
00:36:34,535 --> 00:36:37,505
{\an1}Derek Jeter’s
black and white.
852
00:36:37,605 --> 00:36:40,275
{\an1}He is half black
and half white.
Exactly.
853
00:36:40,374 --> 00:36:43,214
{\an1}What’s the significance
of that to you?
854
00:36:43,311 --> 00:36:44,781
{\an1}It’s really
no significance.
855
00:36:44,879 --> 00:36:47,609
{\an1}It’s just you ain’t
all the way black.
856
00:36:47,715 --> 00:36:49,385
{\an1}Sheffield: Well, when I --
I made the statement
857
00:36:49,484 --> 00:36:51,924
{\an1}about Joe Torre treating
black players different.
858
00:36:52,019 --> 00:36:53,619
{\an1}I don’t believe
Joe Torre is racist.
859
00:36:53,721 --> 00:36:55,351
{\an1}You know,
I never said he was racist.
860
00:36:55,456 --> 00:36:58,226
{\an1}I just told you
what my experience was.
861
00:36:58,326 --> 00:37:01,366
{\an1}When Tony Womack, Kenny Lofton,
and Tom Gordon
862
00:37:01,462 --> 00:37:03,862
{\an1}goes in the office
and not get the results
863
00:37:03,965 --> 00:37:05,465
{\an1}that they was looking for,
864
00:37:05,566 --> 00:37:09,136
{\an1}the first thing came after that
is, "Derek Jeter’s black."
865
00:37:10,638 --> 00:37:13,198
{\an1}And I said, "Derek Jeter’s
not all the way black."
866
00:37:13,307 --> 00:37:16,477
{\an1}So now it was like you trying to
prove to me Derek Jeter’s black.
867
00:37:16,577 --> 00:37:18,117
{\an1}That’s basically how I took it.
868
00:37:18,212 --> 00:37:19,442
{\an1}I have no problems with Sheff.
869
00:37:19,547 --> 00:37:22,487
{\an1}At the time, though,
it was like, "Well,
870
00:37:22,583 --> 00:37:24,923
{\an1}why am I in the middle of this?"
871
00:37:25,019 --> 00:37:27,389
{\an1}I got no idea
why I was in the middle of it,
872
00:37:27,488 --> 00:37:30,118
{\an1}but I think he was --
he was backed into a corner.
873
00:37:30,224 --> 00:37:32,564
{\an1}Why Derek Jeter’s
in this conversation?
874
00:37:32,660 --> 00:37:35,660
{\an1}Because he’s not gonna
get treated like us
875
00:37:35,763 --> 00:37:36,833
{\an1}because of his stature.
876
00:37:36,931 --> 00:37:38,531
{\an1}Derek has always
been a mainstay.
877
00:37:38,633 --> 00:37:40,803
{\an1}So don’t bring him
into my conversation.
878
00:37:40,902 --> 00:37:43,432
{\an1}And so that’s basically
what I lashed out at.
879
00:37:43,538 --> 00:37:46,148
{\an1}[ Indistinct talking ]
880
00:37:46,240 --> 00:37:48,740
{\an1}My oldest son,
his mother’s white.
881
00:37:48,843 --> 00:37:50,613
{\an1}And so for me to say that,
882
00:37:50,711 --> 00:37:53,941
{\an1}I wasn’t thinking I was
saying anything to hurt anybody.
883
00:37:54,048 --> 00:37:56,008
{\an1}When I found out
that it bothered him,
884
00:37:56,117 --> 00:37:59,527
{\an1}I wanted to reach out to him
and his mom and dad face-to-face
885
00:37:59,620 --> 00:38:01,650
{\an1}and just let them know
what I really meant.
886
00:38:01,756 --> 00:38:04,566
{\an1}Derek: He reached out to me,
he reached out to my family
887
00:38:04,659 --> 00:38:06,019
{\an1}and spoke to them
888
00:38:06,127 --> 00:38:10,337
{\an1}and he said there was no
ill will directed towards me.
889
00:38:10,431 --> 00:38:12,201
{\an1}Taylor:
Historically speaking,
890
00:38:12,300 --> 00:38:15,770
{\an1}the stories of African-American
players and Latino players
891
00:38:15,870 --> 00:38:18,440
{\an1}get told through
the lens of a white writer,
892
00:38:18,539 --> 00:38:21,509
{\an1}and that also changes
the way things are perceived.
893
00:38:21,609 --> 00:38:25,709
{\an1}White owners, white coaches,
white media,
894
00:38:25,813 --> 00:38:28,753
{\an1}white season ticket holders,
black player.
895
00:38:28,850 --> 00:38:30,310
{\an1}That’s professional sports.
896
00:38:30,418 --> 00:38:31,688
{\an1}This is the filter through which
897
00:38:31,786 --> 00:38:34,426
{\an1}you as a professional athlete
have to navigate.
898
00:38:35,923 --> 00:38:37,763
{\an1}The beauty and the curse
of baseball
899
00:38:37,859 --> 00:38:40,489
{\an1}is that baseball
is rooted in its traditions.
900
00:38:40,595 --> 00:38:41,995
{\an1}It is rooted in its traditions
901
00:38:42,096 --> 00:38:43,936
{\an1}more than any
of the other sports.
902
00:38:44,031 --> 00:38:45,631
{\an1}Announcer: In the top half
of the second,
903
00:38:45,733 --> 00:38:49,503
{\an1}Jackie Robinson
leads off for Brooklyn.
904
00:38:49,604 --> 00:38:51,674
{\an1}Bryant: It’s the first sport
where integration
905
00:38:51,772 --> 00:38:53,902
{\an1}was in front of the country.
906
00:38:54,008 --> 00:38:56,048
{\an1}No matter what people say
about Jackie Robinson
907
00:38:56,143 --> 00:38:58,443
{\an1}and no matter what people say
about baseball,
908
00:38:58,546 --> 00:38:59,946
{\an1}black players in baseball
909
00:39:00,047 --> 00:39:03,687
{\an1}have always believed that
the sport doesn’t want them.
910
00:39:03,784 --> 00:39:06,624
{\an1}When you think about
the changing of the sport,
911
00:39:06,721 --> 00:39:08,851
{\an1}it’s no different than
the changing in the country.
912
00:39:08,956 --> 00:39:10,196
{\an1}People are threatened.
913
00:39:10,291 --> 00:39:11,821
{\an1}Carig:
It’s a sport that is defined
914
00:39:11,926 --> 00:39:16,296
{\an1}by its almost, like,
militant attitude about change
915
00:39:16,397 --> 00:39:17,867
{\an1}in that it doesn’t like it.
916
00:39:17,965 --> 00:39:21,035
{\an1}The sport was so quick to label
everything a distraction
917
00:39:21,135 --> 00:39:22,705
{\an1}that wasn’t baseball itself.
918
00:39:22,803 --> 00:39:26,443
{\an1}Talking about something that
required bandwidth and nuance,
919
00:39:26,540 --> 00:39:29,840
{\an1}like social justice
or race relations
920
00:39:29,944 --> 00:39:32,214
{\an1}or where we are as a country
on those fronts,
921
00:39:32,313 --> 00:39:34,853
{\an1}was just, like, so foreign.
922
00:39:34,949 --> 00:39:37,519
{\an1}New York has had
as many horrible,
923
00:39:37,618 --> 00:39:41,748
{\an1}terrible encounters between
black people and police.
924
00:39:41,856 --> 00:39:43,826
{\an1}The number of people
shot to death by police
925
00:39:43,925 --> 00:39:46,365
{\an1}or who die in police custody
has gone up dramatically.
926
00:39:46,460 --> 00:39:49,530
{\an1}Reporter: Just 22 years old,
Amadou Diallo was shot to death
927
00:39:49,630 --> 00:39:52,100
{\an1}by police officers
in a hail of 41 bullets
928
00:39:52,199 --> 00:39:54,429
{\an1}as he stood in the driveway
of his Bronx home.
929
00:39:54,535 --> 00:39:56,775
{\an1}Reporter #2: 23-year-old
Sean Bell was gunned down
930
00:39:56,871 --> 00:39:59,241
{\an1}just hours before
he was supposed to marry
931
00:39:59,340 --> 00:40:01,110
{\an1}the mother of his two children.
932
00:40:01,208 --> 00:40:03,438
{\an1}[ Indistinct chanting ]
933
00:40:03,544 --> 00:40:05,044
{\an1}Reporter #3: True to their word,
young and old
934
00:40:05,146 --> 00:40:07,486
{\an1}hit the streets of Harlem
for a second day,
935
00:40:07,581 --> 00:40:09,781
{\an1}expressing their outrage
over the acquittal
936
00:40:09,884 --> 00:40:11,984
{\an1}of three detectives
in the Sean Bell shooting.
937
00:40:12,086 --> 00:40:13,756
{\an1}Hoch:
During Derek’s time as a player,
938
00:40:13,854 --> 00:40:15,954
{\an1}these were not topics
you heard in a clubhouse.
939
00:40:16,057 --> 00:40:18,167
{\an1}It was, "This is
a baseball world.
940
00:40:18,259 --> 00:40:19,489
{\an1}The real world is outside.
941
00:40:19,593 --> 00:40:21,593
{\an1}And you leave that
at the clubhouse door."
942
00:40:21,696 --> 00:40:25,006
{\an1}Back during my career, players
stayed away from it, man.
943
00:40:25,099 --> 00:40:27,669
{\an1}Stayed away from it because they
didn’t want to be a problem.
944
00:40:27,768 --> 00:40:30,938
{\an1}I mean, you talk about race,
religion, and politics,
945
00:40:31,038 --> 00:40:32,768
{\an1}figure you’re in
a no-win situation
946
00:40:32,873 --> 00:40:35,013
{\an1}and you’re going to
upset some fans,
947
00:40:35,109 --> 00:40:37,879
{\an1}you’re gonna upset
some organizations.
948
00:40:37,979 --> 00:40:39,579
{\an1}And I think even more so
than that,
949
00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:42,780
{\an1}you’re gonna upset some people
in your own clubhouse.
950
00:40:42,883 --> 00:40:44,853
{\an1}Randolph: And even when
we talk about certain things
951
00:40:44,952 --> 00:40:46,752
{\an1}that we feel that unjust,
952
00:40:46,854 --> 00:40:48,454
{\an1}you know,
you just talk about it.
953
00:40:48,556 --> 00:40:49,956
{\an1}You can’t really do
anything about it.
954
00:40:50,057 --> 00:40:51,527
{\an1}And it’s frustrating
because you you feel like
955
00:40:51,625 --> 00:40:53,625
{\an1}you don’t have a voice
and you don’t have anybody
956
00:40:53,728 --> 00:40:55,168
{\an1}who’s really got your back.
957
00:40:55,262 --> 00:40:58,762
{\an1}In my time there, we never
discouraged the players
958
00:40:58,866 --> 00:41:02,836
{\an1}from speaking their mind
and speaking openly.
959
00:41:02,937 --> 00:41:04,477
{\an1}But there was an understanding
960
00:41:04,572 --> 00:41:07,742
{\an1}that sort of went with the
culture of the New York Yankees
961
00:41:07,842 --> 00:41:10,072
{\an1}that you minded your place.
962
00:41:10,177 --> 00:41:11,687
{\an1}Taylor: I definitely think
it’s fear-based.
963
00:41:11,779 --> 00:41:13,509
{\an1}Those journalists
were also concerned
964
00:41:13,614 --> 00:41:16,714
{\an1}about the owners of their papers
getting upset
965
00:41:16,817 --> 00:41:19,257
{\an1}by them printing something
about race.
966
00:41:19,353 --> 00:41:21,823
{\an1}I think they were concerned
about their readership
967
00:41:21,922 --> 00:41:23,992
{\an1}being concerned about them
printing about race,
968
00:41:24,091 --> 00:41:27,391
{\an1}because Major League Baseball’s
audience is mostly white
969
00:41:27,495 --> 00:41:30,065
{\an1}and no one wants to hear
that they’re...
970
00:41:30,164 --> 00:41:31,404
{\an1}Like, no one wants to hear
971
00:41:31,499 --> 00:41:33,659
{\an1}that the things
that they think stink,
972
00:41:33,768 --> 00:41:35,308
{\an1}that they affect people.
973
00:41:35,403 --> 00:41:37,903
{\an1}Jones: When you take me back
to a clubhouse
974
00:41:38,005 --> 00:41:41,115
{\an1}in front of captain
of the Yankees Derek Jeter,
975
00:41:41,208 --> 00:41:45,038
{\an1}we stuck to baseball not because
it was some directive.
976
00:41:45,146 --> 00:41:46,746
{\an1}It was what we knew.
977
00:41:46,847 --> 00:41:48,817
{\an1}That’s how we looked
at Derek Jeter.
978
00:41:48,916 --> 00:41:50,516
{\an1}Matthews: I’ll give you a couple
of reasons
979
00:41:50,618 --> 00:41:53,528
{\an1}why Derek wasn’t asked questions
about social issues and all.
980
00:41:53,621 --> 00:41:55,491
{\an1}First of all, it almost seemed
981
00:41:55,589 --> 00:41:57,189
{\an1}as if he had set
the ground rules.
982
00:41:57,291 --> 00:41:59,691
{\an1}Not that he told us, "Don’t
ask me about these things,"
983
00:41:59,794 --> 00:42:03,694
{\an1}but the non-committal nature
of his answers.
984
00:42:03,798 --> 00:42:06,138
{\an1}You would think,
"Should I ask Jeter this?
985
00:42:06,233 --> 00:42:07,573
{\an1}Will he even answer it?
986
00:42:07,668 --> 00:42:09,868
{\an1}Eh, he probably won’t answer it,
so don’t bother."
987
00:42:09,970 --> 00:42:11,340
{\an1}That’s number one.
988
00:42:11,439 --> 00:42:15,269
{\an1}Number two, Derek Jeter
does not identify racially.
989
00:42:15,376 --> 00:42:16,816
{\an1}I don’t think he does.
990
00:42:16,911 --> 00:42:18,911
{\an1}You know, he just never --
991
00:42:19,013 --> 00:42:21,553
{\an1}He just seemed to be
racially neutral.
992
00:42:21,649 --> 00:42:24,719
{\an1}Derek Jeter
was almost colorless.
993
00:42:24,819 --> 00:42:26,519
{\an1}I mean, not only physically,
994
00:42:26,620 --> 00:42:28,850
{\an1}but also, you know,
in the way he spoke.
995
00:42:28,956 --> 00:42:30,626
{\an1}Who the...are you?
That’s what I would say.
996
00:42:30,724 --> 00:42:32,664
{\an1}You know what I mean?
Seriously, you think about it.
997
00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:34,260
{\an1}How the...does he know?
998
00:42:34,361 --> 00:42:36,461
{\an1}That’s the first thing I would
say -- "How does he know?"
999
00:42:36,564 --> 00:42:39,334
{\an1}Because he just admitted
he doesn’t ask the question.
1000
00:42:39,433 --> 00:42:41,633
{\an1}So if you don’t ask
the question, how do you know?
1001
00:42:41,735 --> 00:42:43,635
{\an1}I don’t think I’ve ever heard
1002
00:42:43,737 --> 00:42:48,217
{\an1}someone being defined
as colorless.
1003
00:42:48,309 --> 00:42:50,539
{\an1}I don’t -- I don’t think.
1004
00:42:50,644 --> 00:42:52,084
{\an1}I don’t --
I’m just trying to --
1005
00:42:52,179 --> 00:42:53,579
{\an1}I don’t think
I’ve ever heard that.
1006
00:42:53,681 --> 00:42:56,281
{\an1}Colorless?
1007
00:42:56,383 --> 00:42:57,723
{\an1}Interesting.
1008
00:42:57,818 --> 00:43:00,678
{\an1}[ Laughing ] I don’t even know
how to answer that.
1009
00:43:00,788 --> 00:43:02,928
{\an1}I’ve never heard someone say
1010
00:43:03,023 --> 00:43:05,623
{\an1}that they thought
someone was colorless.
1011
00:43:08,095 --> 00:43:09,695
{\an1}[ Laughs ]
1012
00:43:09,797 --> 00:43:12,807
{\an1}Don’t know who he is.
Don’t care to know who he is.
1013
00:43:12,900 --> 00:43:16,530
{\an1}You know, I don’t -- You know,
I don’t know if anybody
1014
00:43:16,637 --> 00:43:18,947
{\an1}with any kind of sense
could come up with something
1015
00:43:19,039 --> 00:43:21,269
{\an1}as dumb as that, you know,
really.
1016
00:43:29,049 --> 00:43:32,149
{\an1}He doesn’t know
anything about Derek.
1017
00:43:32,253 --> 00:43:34,793
{\an1}Matthews:
Why do we go to an athlete
1018
00:43:34,889 --> 00:43:36,689
{\an1}to ask him about a social issue?
1019
00:43:36,790 --> 00:43:38,790
{\an1}I mean, do we ask the president
of the United States
1020
00:43:38,893 --> 00:43:40,123
{\an1}about an athletic issue?
1021
00:43:40,227 --> 00:43:42,797
{\an1}Do we do that?
No, we don’t, right?
1022
00:43:42,897 --> 00:43:45,067
{\an1}I mean, you try to keep people
in their lane.
1023
00:43:45,166 --> 00:43:47,736
{\an1}That just sounds like an old-
school mentality right there.
1024
00:43:47,835 --> 00:43:49,705
{\an1}That’s what we’re trying
to change.
1025
00:43:49,803 --> 00:43:51,803
{\an1}That, man --
1026
00:43:51,906 --> 00:43:54,376
{\an1}"Stay in your lane"?
Come on, man.
1027
00:43:54,475 --> 00:43:56,375
{\an1}What lane is his lane?
1028
00:43:56,477 --> 00:43:58,847
{\an1}Like, what enables him
to be the one
1029
00:43:58,946 --> 00:44:02,986
{\an1}that can talk about it
and we can’t?
1030
00:44:03,083 --> 00:44:05,753
{\an1}Winfield:
You grow up in America,
you’re African-American,
1031
00:44:05,853 --> 00:44:08,493
{\an1}there’s every day of your life
you have to think about,
1032
00:44:08,589 --> 00:44:10,749
{\an1}"Why am I treated differently?
1033
00:44:10,858 --> 00:44:13,468
{\an1}Why do I not have
the same opportunities?
1034
00:44:13,561 --> 00:44:16,661
{\an1}Why do I have to be taught
that you have to be better
1035
00:44:16,764 --> 00:44:18,264
{\an1}than your white counterpart
1036
00:44:18,365 --> 00:44:20,705
{\an1}just to have
an equal opportunity?"
1037
00:44:20,801 --> 00:44:24,031
{\an1}Sheffield: The fans start
letting me have it in Milwaukee.
1038
00:44:24,138 --> 00:44:25,978
{\an1}Here I am, a 19-year-old kid.
1039
00:44:26,073 --> 00:44:28,873
{\an1}Imagine what you was doing
at 19 years old.
1040
00:44:28,976 --> 00:44:31,146
{\an1}I’m having to fight off
all of this.
1041
00:44:31,245 --> 00:44:33,845
{\an1}And all I wanted to do
was play baseball.
1042
00:44:33,948 --> 00:44:37,518
{\an1}A day doesn’t go by
you don’t think about,
1043
00:44:37,618 --> 00:44:41,028
{\an1}"What is going to happen
to me today
1044
00:44:41,121 --> 00:44:45,191
{\an1}that wouldn’t happen
to the average American?"
1045
00:44:45,292 --> 00:44:46,392
{\an1}[ Crowd cheering ]
1046
00:44:46,493 --> 00:44:47,993
{\an1}Bryant:
If Derek Jeter was out there
1047
00:44:48,095 --> 00:44:50,565
{\an1}talking about the issues
that black people were facing,
1048
00:44:50,664 --> 00:44:52,904
{\an1}the public would have
turned on him, as well,
1049
00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:56,200
{\an1}because the public
turns on everybody
1050
00:44:56,303 --> 00:44:58,873
{\an1}who calls out American racism.
1051
00:44:58,973 --> 00:45:01,143
{\an1}The black tax
is the price you pay.
1052
00:45:01,242 --> 00:45:02,672
{\an1}And it’s one of the reasons
1053
00:45:02,776 --> 00:45:05,246
{\an1}why a lot of black players
don’t speak out,
1054
00:45:05,346 --> 00:45:07,886
{\an1}because not everybody
can afford it.
1055
00:45:07,982 --> 00:45:10,712
{\an1}Jackson: They create
such a terrible impression
1056
00:45:10,818 --> 00:45:15,728
{\an1}if you make a note about them
and it has to do with race.
1057
00:45:15,823 --> 00:45:18,293
{\an1}There is no time that’s right.
1058
00:45:18,392 --> 00:45:20,692
{\an1}I can tell you that
because of my age.
1059
00:45:20,794 --> 00:45:24,194
{\an1}I’ve waited to be 75
to say some things.
1060
00:45:24,298 --> 00:45:26,208
{\an1}You know, the reason
why people speak up
1061
00:45:26,300 --> 00:45:28,730
{\an1}is because
they have experiences on issues
1062
00:45:28,836 --> 00:45:31,306
{\an1}that you may not
have experience in.
1063
00:45:31,405 --> 00:45:35,075
{\an1}But black players in the league,
sometimes if you are vocal,
1064
00:45:35,175 --> 00:45:37,815
{\an1}they’ll say, "Well, this guy’s
a problem in the clubhouse."
1065
00:45:37,911 --> 00:45:39,581
{\an1}Look at Colin Kaepernick, right?
1066
00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:42,180
{\an1}You speak up,
his career is gone.
1067
00:45:42,283 --> 00:45:45,453
{\an1}Sometimes they said, "Well, you
know, you don’t speak up enough.
1068
00:45:45,552 --> 00:45:47,922
{\an1}You don’t do this.
You don’t do that."
1069
00:45:48,022 --> 00:45:49,792
{\an1}There are various ways
1070
00:45:49,890 --> 00:45:52,990
{\an1}that we get our positive
messages out to people.
1071
00:45:53,093 --> 00:45:54,423
{\an1}Sharlee:
So Derek and my father
1072
00:45:54,528 --> 00:45:57,088
{\an1}started the Turn 2 Foundation
his rookie year,
1073
00:45:57,197 --> 00:45:58,867
{\an1}and it was to support youth
1074
00:45:58,966 --> 00:46:00,706
{\an1}staying away
from drugs and alcohol
1075
00:46:00,801 --> 00:46:03,101
{\an1}and to move
towards healthy lifestyles.
1076
00:46:03,203 --> 00:46:06,003
{\an1}We’ve shifted
in the last 15 years
1077
00:46:06,106 --> 00:46:08,046
{\an1}to doing more
social-change activities
1078
00:46:08,142 --> 00:46:11,142
{\an1}with our high school students
and really getting them involved
1079
00:46:11,245 --> 00:46:13,945
{\an1}at a young age
in taking an active role
1080
00:46:14,048 --> 00:46:16,288
{\an1}in making change
in their community.
1081
00:46:16,383 --> 00:46:19,053
{\an1}Charles: Derek has been talking
about, "I am a role model.
1082
00:46:19,153 --> 00:46:21,253
{\an1}I’m investing in people
being role models
1083
00:46:21,355 --> 00:46:24,025
{\an1}so they can go back
in their communities
1084
00:46:24,124 --> 00:46:26,164
{\an1}and be spokespersons
and role models
1085
00:46:26,260 --> 00:46:27,620
{\an1}for kids in their communities."
1086
00:46:27,728 --> 00:46:30,138
{\an1}In my community, I used to go
to an after-school
1087
00:46:30,230 --> 00:46:32,360
{\an1}and a summer-camp program,
so to take what I’ve learned
1088
00:46:32,466 --> 00:46:35,476
{\an1}from the Jeters and place it
inside a curriculum
1089
00:46:35,569 --> 00:46:37,629
{\an1}would also help me
influence others.
1090
00:46:37,738 --> 00:46:40,978
{\an1}Derek:
I have a leadership program
that promotes social change,
1091
00:46:41,075 --> 00:46:42,675
{\an1}and we have conferences
every year.
1092
00:46:42,776 --> 00:46:44,586
{\an1}This is throughout
my entire career.
1093
00:46:44,678 --> 00:46:47,038
{\an1}I’ve been on panels
with Rachel Robinson
1094
00:46:47,147 --> 00:46:49,457
{\an1}and worked with
the Jackie Robinson Foundation.
1095
00:46:49,550 --> 00:46:51,820
{\an1}Now, can you say,
"Can so-and-so do more?
1096
00:46:51,919 --> 00:46:53,819
{\an1}Can I do more?"
We can always do more.
1097
00:46:53,921 --> 00:46:56,021
{\an1}Everyone can always do more,
right?
1098
00:46:56,123 --> 00:46:59,663
{\an1}But you tackle these issues
from many different angles.
1099
00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:02,430
{\an1}No matter how you look at it,
you’re still doing good.
1100
00:47:02,529 --> 00:47:04,959
{\an1}Reporter: The Joe Torre era
with the Yankees is over.
1101
00:47:05,065 --> 00:47:06,605
{\an1}The longtime manager
of the team
1102
00:47:06,700 --> 00:47:09,200
{\an1}will not return
for a 13th season.
1103
00:47:09,303 --> 00:47:12,303
{\an1}Feinsand: Even though they had
had so much success early,
1104
00:47:12,406 --> 00:47:16,346
{\an1}they hadn’t had that success
over the past few years.
1105
00:47:16,443 --> 00:47:18,613
{\an1}First-round loss in ’05,
first-round loss in ’06.
1106
00:47:18,712 --> 00:47:20,042
{\an1}The midges in ’07,
1107
00:47:20,147 --> 00:47:22,417
{\an1}with another first-round loss
against Cleveland.
1108
00:47:22,516 --> 00:47:24,216
{\an1}Remember doing a story
with Joe Torre
1109
00:47:24,318 --> 00:47:26,358
{\an1}where he said that ’07,
hands down,
1110
00:47:26,453 --> 00:47:29,053
{\an1}been his toughest year
just in general.
1111
00:47:29,156 --> 00:47:30,826
{\an1}Torre:
I’d been there 12 years.
1112
00:47:30,924 --> 00:47:33,994
{\an1}In retrospect, maybe I didn’t
know how to say goodbye,
1113
00:47:34,094 --> 00:47:36,194
{\an1}and I don’t think
they did, either.
1114
00:47:36,296 --> 00:47:37,936
{\an1}You know,
they were sort of stuck with me.
1115
00:47:38,031 --> 00:47:40,261
{\an1}Did I feel it was the best
decision for both sides?
1116
00:47:40,367 --> 00:47:43,377
{\an1}No, not at all.
But it’s not my decision.
1117
00:47:43,470 --> 00:47:45,400
{\an1}You know,
Mr. T is my second father.
1118
00:47:45,506 --> 00:47:47,176
{\an1}You know, I grew up with him.
1119
00:47:47,274 --> 00:47:49,344
{\an1}He was almost like
a level of comfort for me
1120
00:47:49,443 --> 00:47:51,413
{\an1}because he was there
when I first came up.
1121
00:47:51,512 --> 00:47:54,042
{\an1}He’s someone that
I relied heavily on.
1122
00:47:54,148 --> 00:47:55,658
{\an1}Sharlee:
He really cared about Derek.
1123
00:47:55,749 --> 00:47:59,379
{\an1}I think there is no Derek
where he is today
1124
00:47:59,486 --> 00:48:04,766
{\an1}and the Yankees where they were
at that time without Mr. Torre.
1125
00:48:04,858 --> 00:48:07,558
{\an1}I just felt it wasn’t his fault.
1126
00:48:07,661 --> 00:48:09,261
{\an1}Just me and Derek, we felt like
1127
00:48:09,363 --> 00:48:11,963
{\an1}we had something to do
with his firing,
1128
00:48:12,065 --> 00:48:13,235
{\an1}we caused it, you know.
1129
00:48:13,333 --> 00:48:14,803
{\an1}If we would have won
here and there,
1130
00:48:14,902 --> 00:48:16,572
{\an1}you know, he’d probably
still be around.
1131
00:48:16,670 --> 00:48:20,640
{\an1}So we felt, you know --
we felt the blame.
1132
00:48:22,075 --> 00:48:26,015
{\an1}Olney: By the time Derek gets
into his early to mid 30s,
1133
00:48:26,113 --> 00:48:28,283
{\an1}people are being critical
of Derek.
1134
00:48:28,382 --> 00:48:29,852
{\an1}There was always
that conversation
1135
00:48:29,950 --> 00:48:32,250
{\an1}about whether or not
Derek was overrated.
1136
00:48:32,352 --> 00:48:33,722
{\an1}Man: I know Derek
won the Gold Glove.
1137
00:48:33,821 --> 00:48:36,291
{\an1}I don’t think he’s that great
defensively.
1138
00:48:36,390 --> 00:48:38,460
{\an1}Announcer: Derek has made
some sketchy throws
1139
00:48:38,559 --> 00:48:39,959
{\an1}from shortstop this year.
1140
00:48:40,060 --> 00:48:43,430
{\an1}He has not had as many true
throws as he usually does.
1141
00:48:43,530 --> 00:48:47,560
{\an1}Sherman:
With Derek, there’s 10, 12,
15 years he’s unimpeachable.
1142
00:48:47,668 --> 00:48:48,938
{\an1}He’s one of the best players
in the sport,
1143
00:48:49,036 --> 00:48:51,176
{\an1}one of the best shortstops
of all time.
1144
00:48:51,271 --> 00:48:53,041
{\an1}But at some point, it was clear
1145
00:48:53,140 --> 00:48:56,170
{\an1}he wasn’t a very good
defensive shortstop anymore.
1146
00:48:56,276 --> 00:48:57,576
{\an1}Announcer: Grounder to short.
1147
00:48:57,678 --> 00:48:59,688
{\an1}Past a diving Jeter
and into center field.
1148
00:48:59,780 --> 00:49:02,350
{\an1}The Yankees had
an inning-ending double play,
1149
00:49:02,449 --> 00:49:04,049
{\an1}and Jeter threw it away.
1150
00:49:04,151 --> 00:49:05,951
{\an1}And the Red Sox have a run.
1151
00:49:06,053 --> 00:49:07,583
{\an1}You know, shortstop’s
a demanding position,
1152
00:49:07,688 --> 00:49:10,628
{\an1}and with age, obviously
he became less of a defender
1153
00:49:10,724 --> 00:49:13,194
{\an1}at that position,
to the point where, you know,
1154
00:49:13,293 --> 00:49:16,633
{\an1}in our internal conversations
with field staff and pro scouts
1155
00:49:16,730 --> 00:49:19,300
{\an1}and even analytics,
the numbers and the assessments
1156
00:49:19,399 --> 00:49:21,229
{\an1}were that it was a problem.
1157
00:49:21,335 --> 00:49:24,335
{\an1}And our field staff
was allegedly dealing with it,
1158
00:49:24,438 --> 00:49:27,978
{\an1}but they were afraid
to confront the superstar.
1159
00:49:28,075 --> 00:49:30,445
{\an1}Derek: Cash reached out
and said he wanted to have
a conversation with me.
1160
00:49:30,544 --> 00:49:34,084
{\an1}And he said, "Look, you need
to make some adjustments
1161
00:49:34,181 --> 00:49:38,651
{\an1}to your workouts, your agility,
your speed."
1162
00:49:38,752 --> 00:49:42,322
{\an1}One of the reasons why Cash
and I butted heads a little bit,
1163
00:49:42,422 --> 00:49:44,492
{\an1}he was giving me information
1164
00:49:44,591 --> 00:49:47,191
{\an1}that I was not hearing
from anyone else,
1165
00:49:47,294 --> 00:49:48,564
{\an1}and I thought he was full of it.
1166
00:49:48,662 --> 00:49:50,332
{\an1}He’s looking at me
like I got three heads.
1167
00:49:50,430 --> 00:49:51,600
{\an1}It caught him off guard.
1168
00:49:51,698 --> 00:49:53,898
{\an1}He was like, "What’s wrong
with my defense?"
1169
00:49:54,001 --> 00:49:55,531
{\an1}But Derek being
the great champion,
1170
00:49:55,636 --> 00:49:57,536
{\an1}I remember he paused and he
says, "You mean to tell me
1171
00:49:57,638 --> 00:50:00,678
{\an1}that there’s a large population
of people on the ground
1172
00:50:00,774 --> 00:50:02,174
{\an1}that have a problem
with my defense,
1173
00:50:02,276 --> 00:50:04,246
{\an1}and they were unwilling
to address it with me?"
1174
00:50:04,344 --> 00:50:06,184
{\an1}And we’re trying to compete
for a championship,
1175
00:50:06,280 --> 00:50:09,050
{\an1}and we only have these God-given
abilities on borrowed time
1176
00:50:09,149 --> 00:50:10,479
{\an1}before you age out.
1177
00:50:10,584 --> 00:50:12,554
{\an1}All Derek wants to be
is the greatest of all time
1178
00:50:12,653 --> 00:50:14,753
{\an1}and compete to win every day.
1179
00:50:14,855 --> 00:50:16,925
{\an1}And in hindsight,
I feel bad that he was denied,
1180
00:50:17,024 --> 00:50:19,764
{\an1}you know, being the best version
of himself for a period of time
1181
00:50:19,860 --> 00:50:23,390
{\an1}because people were afraid
to tell him the truth.
1182
00:50:23,497 --> 00:50:26,167
{\an1}Derek: That off-season,
I switched trainers
1183
00:50:26,266 --> 00:50:28,706
{\an1}and I worked on my agility,
I worked on my speed,
1184
00:50:28,802 --> 00:50:30,402
{\an1}and I worked on my first step.
1185
00:50:30,504 --> 00:50:32,804
{\an1}It was the first time
that I really started
1186
00:50:32,906 --> 00:50:35,616
{\an1}working out differently,
so I focused on it.
1187
00:50:35,709 --> 00:50:37,109
{\an1}You know,
it’s one of those things.
1188
00:50:37,210 --> 00:50:40,040
{\an1}I wanted to prove to people
I could get better.
1189
00:50:40,147 --> 00:50:42,117
{\an1}But the focus on winning started
when I was young.
1190
00:50:42,215 --> 00:50:43,755
{\an1}You can blame my dad, you know,
1191
00:50:43,850 --> 00:50:47,020
{\an1}because he used to beat me
at absolutely everything we did.
1192
00:50:47,120 --> 00:50:50,120
{\an1}And, you know, his lesson he was
teaching me is life’s not fair.
1193
00:50:50,223 --> 00:50:52,493
{\an1}If you want to win,
you want to come out on top,
1194
00:50:52,593 --> 00:50:55,233
{\an1}you have to work at it.
1195
00:50:55,329 --> 00:50:57,129
{\an1}Before I turned professional
with the Yankees,
1196
00:50:57,230 --> 00:50:58,230
{\an1}I never won anything.
1197
00:50:58,332 --> 00:51:00,262
{\an1}High school teams didn’t win.
1198
00:51:00,367 --> 00:51:01,937
{\an1}Little League teams didn’t win.
1199
00:51:02,035 --> 00:51:03,905
{\an1}So I look at it
as you put this work in,
1200
00:51:04,004 --> 00:51:07,404
{\an1}the amount of work,
the years, the preparation.
1201
00:51:07,507 --> 00:51:12,287
{\an1}If you don’t win,
you’re wasting time.
1202
00:51:12,379 --> 00:51:14,709
{\an1}And we all run out of time
at some point.
1203
00:51:14,815 --> 00:51:23,525
{\an1}♪
1204
00:51:23,624 --> 00:51:32,334
{\an1}♪
1205
00:51:32,432 --> 00:51:41,072
{\an1}♪
1206
00:51:41,174 --> 00:51:50,114
{\an1}♪
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