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This guy approaches me.
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I didn't want to have a relationship
with him, and he convinced me.
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He perfected the art of manipulating
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people into doing and getting
what he wanted.
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Just drop him. He's not a good man.
You can't trust him.
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She can't escape him, that is
a glaring red flag right there.
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I saw this video of me sleeping,
with my hands tied up, in bed.
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And he was next to me.
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He recorded me for an hour,
completely vulnerable,
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completely out of it.
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How did he manipulate her
into completely erasing
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everything that she was before?
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Little did I think that he would
actually get bail given
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the evidence that I had.
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You aren't going to get rid of me.
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That's not how this works.
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I'm in control.
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This person never loved me.
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This person is a psychopath.
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He could kill me.
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PHONE BUZZES AND CHIMES
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I was a pastry chef,
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and I studied in London in 2012,
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and I fell in love with the city.
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The fact that there are so many
different cultures in one city.
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Uh, I personally love the weather.
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And when I came back in 2017 to do
a diploma in culinary management,
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that's when I decided that I wanted
to move here to start my business,
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which is a food travel business
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that offers culinary experiences
around Europe.
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She was, like the life of the...
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..the life of the party.
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When she was in the room,
she was like
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so, like, magnetic to people.
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I've always been very happy
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and very optimistic about life
and my passions.
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Pretty much I had my dream job
living in my dream city.
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Being back here is...
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I mean, this is the starting point
of when I met Hubert.
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Just the fact that I met him here,
um...
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..still gives me the chills.
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I was standing by the bar
as my friend was talking to someone.
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And I was just waiting there,
I was ready to leave.
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And this guy approaches me,
and he's not attractive.
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And he asked like,
"Can I speak with you?"
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And because I was alone and bored,
I said, OK.
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I'm not going to be rude
for no reason.
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He kept asking questions.
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He kept trying to get to know me,
but it was a quick encounter,
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that's all I can remember, really.
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And I was just about to go
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and he said, "Wait. Can I have
your number?
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"The only thing is my phone has
run out of battery,
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"so I'll have to remember
it by heart."
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So, I'm like,
in other circumstances,
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I would never have
given my number to him.
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But because we were in a loud pub
with loud music,
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um, he had no phone
to write my number down.
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I was just like,
there's no way he'll remember it.
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So, I said it really quickly
and only once.
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And I said, "That's it. Bye."
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At this point, there are no
particular signs of a red flag.
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It's just one of those encounters
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and you just brush it off
and keep moving.
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But later that night,
he actually messaged me.
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PHONE BEEPS
He basically said that, "Oh,
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"I was supposed to stay with
a friend tonight,
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"but I got locked out."
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PHONE BEEPS
For me, it was a no-brainer.
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Like, no good luck.
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He was a bit insistent.
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PHONE BEEPS
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Which I ignored.
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I was in Italy travelling for work
for a week,
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and I got a WhatsApp message,
which was different.
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The first time he texted me was from
a SMS, so I couldn't see a photo.
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Then I was excited
because I thought,
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"Oh, this...this guy seems nice."
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He actually invited me for a drink
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and I was looking forward
to seeing him.
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I didn't know it was him
to begin with.
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He said, "Oh, you really like
this place."
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And I said, "What do you mean?
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"This is the first time
we come here."
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He then realised that I thought
he was someone else and that's
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when I realised that it was him.
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I felt guilty, I felt bad for him.
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When he stormed out,
I was just like, "Ooh," you know,
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but I didn't go after him.
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I actually went to the restroom
and when I came back,
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he was holding hands with
another girl.
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So, I'm just like, "Goodbye.
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"Don't text me ever again.
I'm not interested."
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So she has already displayed really
that she is not that interested,
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he's not really her type,
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but what he then does is
he starts his,
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really harassment more than
anything,
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this persistent nature.
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PHONE CHIMES
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This kind of insistence
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of contacting her.
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I want to say sorry,
I want to apologise is...
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..is an emotional manipulation
of her.
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And I would say that red flags
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are beginning to emerge.
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Looking back at it now,
I don't understand how it was
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possible for me to even continue
a conversation with him.
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And that's kind of his attraction.
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The way that he manages to keep you
open to talking to him.
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He just sent...just showered me
with a wave of compliments.
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I just thought,
"Wow, he was really keen."
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You know, perhaps
I maybe should give him a chance.
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He texted me saying he wanted
to come and see me
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just to talk with me.
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So, he came over and he saw that we
had a piano in the flat.
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He's like, "Oh, my God,
you have a piano! Can I play?"
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And I said, "Absolutely, go for it."
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And that's when I started
finding him
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actually really interesting
because I really like music.
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SLOW PIANO NOTES
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I've always admired people
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who are in any way artistic.
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So, he played piano,
and I was just shocked
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cos, actually, he played my
favourite Chopin music.
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Perhaps what we're beginning to see
is the beginning of wearing
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those rose-tinted glasses.
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This could be something.
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I was impressed by how much
he wanted to get to know me,
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so he was asking me questions
about my family, my background,
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what did I like, what did I fear?
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The things that he said about me
made me think,
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"Wow, this person has a very good
perception of people.
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"He can read people very well
because he's describing me,
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"and I haven't even told him
about me."
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If you put yourself in Juliana's
position, you have somebody here
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who asks you lots of things about
yourself, who seems really into you.
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All these elements are incredibly
attractive
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because what that's done is put you
front and centre and made you
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the most interesting, charismatic,
attractive person to them.
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And that's, I think,
when you start to fall for somebody.
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All your emotions now are beginning
to become ignited.
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I always felt like I was learning
something new when I was around him.
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He seemed very smart,
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and he seemed like he had
so much emotional intelligence.
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At one point you start getting
attached and he used a lot of...
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His love bombing wasn't just words,
it was touch.
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He would hug me.
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Erm, he would hold hands with me.
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He would sleep holding
hands with me.
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And you don't realise how much
the body gets accustomed to that,
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and misses that, and needs that.
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And so, when I wouldn't see him,
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it was like I was having
withdrawals from being with him.
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And I would say to him,
"Hubert, I think you're my drug."
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Like, "I'm getting attached,"
you know?
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And, at the same time, I didn't want
to have a relationship with him,
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and he convinced me,
"Oh, let's just give it a try,"
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er, which I eventually agreed to.
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He would either text me or call me,
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crying, asking for help,
saying, "I'm too drunk.
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"I want to see you."
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And I would be like,
"He needs help."
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And he would usually do it
between 2-3am in the morning.
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These messages and calls got
so constant that, after a time,
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I would just wake up at that time.
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And I felt this anxiety
and worry about him, like,
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"Oh, my God, is he OK?"
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So, I just thought he genuinely
needed the money.
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He said that he was
cycling home drunk,
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and he cycled into a wall,
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a brick wall.
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And I'm just like,
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"Clearly, you were punched
in the face by someone."
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He's like, "Is there any chance you
could give me some money for food?"
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Like, "I can't go outside
like this," you know?
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And I said,
"I'm not sending you money."
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And I later found out
that he also sent that photo
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to many people asking for help.
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Basically,
it was just money for drugs.
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That is a screaming red flag
in itself.
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Substance abuse in any
level is not OK.
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And certainly, in this instance
where he is lying to her about
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why he needs this money.
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My flatmates and I had
a cleaner that would come.
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And I realised that,
in my toiletry bag,
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there was an empty bag of coke.
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I texted her and I said,
"This is not mine.
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"Where did you find this?"
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And she said that it was under
the bathroom mat.
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Erm, and that's when
I realised it was his.
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I was just so angry.
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I told him, "I do not want any
kind of drug like that in my house.
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"I don't want to see you
any more ever again."
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I couldn't shake him off me.
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Something has gone very badly
wrong in that dynamic.
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And now, what you've got there
is that it's a power play -
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and she is in the one-down position.
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One day, he was texting, and
I could see he was visibly upset.
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And he kept receiving
messages from someone.
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And I could see the name,
who it was.
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PHONE CHIMES
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And I said, "Is everything OK?"
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And he said,
"Yeah, yeah, I just don't..."
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He said, "I don't want
to talk about it."
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And he went to the bathroom,
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and he was in the bathroom texting.
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So, I was just like,
"What the hell is going on?"
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I decided to text that person.
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I went on his Facebook.
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And she's like,
"Oh, yes, I'm his girlfriend -
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"one of his girlfriends."
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And I'm just like, "What?"
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I thought I was his girlfriend.
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she basically said, "Oh, it's not
the first time he's done that.
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"He's been in a relationship
with three different girls."
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Oh, my God, this is not the first
time this person does that.
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He's a proper creep.
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Like, this guy's crazy.
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So, yeah, they broke up with him,
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and I straight away broke up
with him, as well.
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And he, again,
continued to pursue me.
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This kind of insistence
of contacting her is
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an emotional manipulation of her,
because she's worn down.
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And maybe, at this point in time,
she's thinking,
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"If I just give in and let him
come around and apologise,
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"it will be over, and I can just
get back to my normal life."
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And that's when he knocked
at my door and said,
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"I got you tickets to watch
the Cinderella Ballet.
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"Would you want to come
with me as friends?"
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I was so excited to come.
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This was the first time that I
wouldn't have to pay for something
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when we went out.
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I said, "Well, maybe he'll change.
Maybe he does care about me.
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"Maybe he wants to make me happy."
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When I met him here, he said
that he's supposed to be working.
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And so, it just felt like
we were doing something wrong,
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I got conned into paying for dinner.
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He tried to get me to pay for drinks
for his manager and his wife,
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which I refused to.
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He went back to the bar and
tried to use a card
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that he had found here
while he was working.
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That is a glaring red flag
right there.
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He is now committing crime
to live this lifestyle
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that he is lying to people about.
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Juliana doesn't leave
at this moment.
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Why? I'm not sure.
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It just goes to show how much
he has got her hooked.
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I was constantly in an anxious
state of despair, really,
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erm, not feeling safe,
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not feeling taken care of.
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It was horrible.
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I felt like I had no way out.
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I felt like he was just
dragging me down.
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When she first told me
about him, that I remember,
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was when I came to London
for a visit.
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It was after she found out
that he was doing drugs,
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and he was still in a sort of
relationship with his ex-girlfriend.
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"Just drop him. He's not a good man.
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"You can't trust him.
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"Obviously, he lies, he manipulates.
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"Just drop him."
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And I thought she would do that.
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She never had the problem
to detach from someone
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who was not good for her.
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And...I told her I would.
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And I didn't.
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He perfected the art of
manipulating people into doing
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and getting what he wanted.
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I don't know if he used
neuro-linguistics programming
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for that, or hypnosis for that.
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He was able to move on and
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distract me with something
else very easily.
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And somehow, you'd be like,
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"No, this is not OK."
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And when you see you're not even
talking about it any more,
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and it's...I can't even connect it.
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It was just...
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I don't even know
how to tell you this.
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Whenever I would indicate that
I didn't want to see him any more,
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then he would be very emotional
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and threaten to kill himself.
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He has spotted that she really
cares about other people.
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She's kind, she's empathic,
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and she would do anything to
support and help him.
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"I'm OK, you're not OK,
and I can help you."
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He's being so vulnerable.
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Like, he's trusting me
with his issues,
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so I felt like I had a purpose,
and I needed to help him.
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And I think that was
the biggest hook.
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There is a sense
that all is not well
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on a logical part of her brain.
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But she may at this point have
started selecting out information
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that would help her
and replacing it with,
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"But I'm attracted to this person,
and he seems really helpless,
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"and I need to help him."
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So, he has used every single one
of her strengths against her.
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A flatmate left her credit
card on the table,
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and I said, "Put it away,
don't leave it here."
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Because I knew that he was using
a card he found at his job
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at the Royal Albert Hall to
try to pay for drinks.
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"And I'm not entirely sure he
wouldn't take your card and use it."
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Which, looking back now,
is just like...
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..is that a major red flag?
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They said, "Look, if you don't
even trust this person having
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"a credit card around,
lying around in the house,"
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like, "we don't want him around."
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She is having to choose between
her boyfriend and her friends.
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Anyone on the outside looking in,
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you would know which side
you would take in that situation.
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But he has got her that gripped.
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Unwittingly, all these friends
have done is pushed her
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even more to him.
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Dangerous.
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He messaged me asking if he could
stay with me just a couple of days,
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because he said he was homeless.
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And I told him, "No.
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"You know that my flatmates don't
allow you here any more."
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And he basically insisted, saying,
"I don't have anywhere to go.
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"I'm going to have to sleep on
the streets if you don't."
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So, I told him, "OK, but we
have to go to my place
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"once everyone's asleep,
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"and you have to leave
before everyone wakes up,
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"so they don't know that
you're there."
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This location brings a lot of
memories because of the day that
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we spent hours in the cold
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just waiting for my flatmates
to fall asleep.
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I felt absolutely horrible.
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My anxiety was through the roof.
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I just wanted to go home,
and I couldn't.
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And it felt like a nightmare.
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In the morning,
when I went out for a walk,
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he just purposely went to
the bathroom and waited
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until they were awake,
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so that they would know
that he was inside
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when he opened the door.
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"We can see you dying
in front of us."
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"The spark has gone, the...
338
00:22:35,520 --> 00:22:40,400
"..optimism and, you know,
the energy that you had is gone."
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And the funny thing was
that I was constantly saying,
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"I don't want to be with him.
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"I need help."
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And I did seek help,
like, psychological help.
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And then, he calls her "arrogant"
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to decide that she knows what's
best for another human being.
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00:23:06,360 --> 00:23:09,120
But what is key in this
is they're having this debate,
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and then, a minute passes,
347
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and it's just a complete flip.
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"I miss you.
I wish I could kiss you."
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Sad face emojis.
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00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:21,800
"Every day, I have to try
not to text you."
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OK.
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Wh-Why is he verbalising
this to her?
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To make her feel sorry for him?
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From her flatmate's point of view,
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they are not involved with him.
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They can dispassionately
see what's going on.
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00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:47,600
I thought that
if they got to know him,
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if they gave him a chance,
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that they would see the good
in him that I saw,
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which was pretty much potential.
361
00:23:55,920 --> 00:23:58,720
I thought, "Wow, this person can
do something of himself
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"if he gets his life in order."
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00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:02,800
And he would play on me, saying,
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00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:05,320
"You're the only person that can
help me get my life in order.
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00:24:05,360 --> 00:24:06,560
"I need you."
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00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:11,040
They can tell what's
happening to her.
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00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:13,960
But she's justifying it to herself
because, at this point,
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00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:16,680
I think she's become
dependent on him,
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as the centre of her world,
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and someone she really
wants to help.
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He put himself in a situation
where he would be found out by
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my flatmates on purpose,
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so that I would have to move
into a new one by myself -
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which meant then, he would have
a new place to stay.
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00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:43,840
Oh, they were angry.
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00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:48,240
To be honest,
I was ashamed, as well.
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00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:50,280
So, I was just like, "I gotta go."
378
00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:55,960
She's also now becoming isolated
from her support network -
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which, interestingly,
is exactly his strategy.
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00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:02,400
That's what he wants her to do,
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00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:04,960
so that she's now emotionally
reliant on him,
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00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:08,000
so that he can manipulate her
any which way he likes.
383
00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:14,880
They helped me to the point
where they could help me.
384
00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:16,920
They didn't know what else to do.
385
00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:19,720
And, because I wasn't
being honest with them,
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00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:22,760
because I was hiding him from them,
387
00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:24,840
how could they help me?
388
00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:26,520
So, I don't blame them.
389
00:25:41,280 --> 00:25:43,640
He was living off me.
390
00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:45,360
Pretty much,
I was his golden ticket.
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00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:46,760
He wasn't paying rent.
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00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:50,880
He wasn't, you know,
paying for food for anything.
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00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:55,800
I felt so frustrated that I was
basically taking care of him.
394
00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:03,200
We know that there are times
that the victims will try
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00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:04,680
and stand up for themselves.
396
00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:07,640
That inner part of them will be
screaming, you know,
397
00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:10,200
"Run, don't do it, leave them."
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00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:13,760
But, because these people,
these suspects are so good
399
00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:17,120
at what they do,
they will gaslight that situation,
400
00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:18,560
make it their fault.
401
00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:26,040
She's trauma-bonded to him now.
402
00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:42,680
Sometimes, this person is lovely
and gives you lots of compliments,
403
00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:45,760
and is charming and caring for you.
404
00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:48,320
And then, they withdraw it,
and then, they're cold
405
00:26:48,360 --> 00:26:50,320
and they're distant.
406
00:26:50,360 --> 00:26:52,920
And what does that do to a person?
407
00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:54,680
It makes them run after them again.
408
00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:09,280
I would feel bad turning him away.
409
00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:14,160
I generally was afraid that
something bad would happen to him.
410
00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:21,320
I'm a good friend of Juliana's.
411
00:27:21,360 --> 00:27:24,200
I've chosen to remain anonymous.
412
00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:27,680
I believe that Hubert is
a very dangerous individual.
413
00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:33,720
He was deeply disturbed as a person.
414
00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:35,400
He always shifted the blame,
415
00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:37,120
made himself out to be the victim.
416
00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:41,920
He used to send pictures,
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00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:46,880
send videos of himself
where he is crying,
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00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:48,840
where he's upset.
419
00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:53,000
He would also often say that
he was going to kill himself.
420
00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:57,840
So, all of these
manipulation tactics to
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00:27:57,880 --> 00:28:00,400
invoke somebody's sympathy.
422
00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:07,720
Look at all the boundaries
he has pushed up until this moment,
423
00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:09,440
and he's been able to win her back.
424
00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:12,760
I genuinely think at this point,
he knows he's not going anywhere.
425
00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:16,800
He knows that she now has
no-one else other than him.
426
00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:32,320
He transferred £300 from
my PayPal account to his account.
427
00:28:32,360 --> 00:28:34,840
I found out by mistake, I think -
428
00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:36,800
I got, like, an email saying,
429
00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:39,760
"Oh, do you want to check
your recent transactions?"
430
00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:42,960
And I clicked on it, and I realised
he had to transfer that money.
431
00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:44,800
And, because he did it
behind my back...
432
00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:49,200
..to me, that was the moment I said,
433
00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:51,080
"I can't be with this guy any more.
434
00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:54,080
"He's never going to change."
435
00:28:56,720 --> 00:29:00,120
Thankfully, that is the straw
that breaks the camel's back.
436
00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:01,800
We see that time and time again.
437
00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:03,320
It can be the smallest thing.
438
00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:04,960
But enough is enough.
439
00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:08,720
I kick him out.
440
00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:10,760
The same day, he sends me a text.
441
00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:14,360
And he says,
"What's your dad's WhatsApp number?
442
00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:19,320
"I want to send him a video
for his 80th birthday."
443
00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:27,560
At that point, I was so used to...
444
00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:29,800
..being manipulated by him.
445
00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:42,240
He convinced me to take a huge
amount of ketamine.
446
00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:45,800
And he recorded me for an hour,
447
00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:47,440
completely vulnerable,
448
00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:48,920
completely out of it.
449
00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:01,160
HE CHUCKLES
450
00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:20,440
In the video,
he says something like,
451
00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:23,080
"You're in a state where someone
could rob you or rape you,
452
00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:24,480
"and you wouldn't even know."
453
00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:36,080
He knew that my dad finding
out that I was drugged,
454
00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:39,160
and that I was in this situation
would just kill me.
455
00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:54,000
I saw this video of me sleeping,
456
00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:58,200
snoring with my hands
tied up in bed.
457
00:30:58,240 --> 00:30:59,560
And he was next to me.
458
00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:05,640
He calls my name to see
if I would wake up.
459
00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:08,640
And I'm still snoring,
I'm out of it.
460
00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:11,280
And then, he...
461
00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:14,280
..starts sexually assaulting me.
462
00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:27,320
In this video, he says,
"I'm completely raping you,
463
00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:29,320
"while you're asleep
and unconscious,
464
00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:31,080
"and making a video of it, as well."
465
00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:38,920
I thought he was a monster.
466
00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:43,840
How did he manipulate her
into completely erasing
467
00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:45,680
everything that she was before?
468
00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:54,040
How utterly horrific!
469
00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:57,200
How utterly horrendous for her
to go through that
470
00:31:57,240 --> 00:32:00,560
with no control at all,
471
00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:03,160
and no sense of what's
actually happening to her.
472
00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:07,120
I thought, "I need to go
to the police,
473
00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:10,000
"and I need to report this person."
474
00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:17,280
Can I be honest? I felt relief.
475
00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:20,920
Cos I thought, "Now, I have a way
that I can finally get rid of him.
476
00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:23,360
"That he won't be able to get back
477
00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:25,280
"and convince me to see him again."
478
00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:30,400
This person never loved me.
479
00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:31,880
This person is a psychopath.
480
00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:44,440
Once I realised how dangerous
he actually was,
481
00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:52,040
I was more focused on making sure
that he would be held accountable
482
00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:53,440
for what he did,
483
00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:55,960
and that he couldn't do that
to any other woman.
484
00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:03,240
I lied to him, I said,
"Look, you've ruined my life here.
485
00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:05,520
"I give up.
I've told my dad everything.
486
00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:07,280
"You're not going to blackmail me.
487
00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:09,120
"I'm going back to Brazil
on Monday."
488
00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:14,080
I just wanted to buy time
to actually go to the police
489
00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:17,000
and report him, given that
I had all the evidence I needed.
490
00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:28,120
What happens is
he actually emails me.
491
00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:29,640
"I know you're going to leave,
492
00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:32,760
"but I wanted to see you before
you leave," or something like that.
493
00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:36,040
And I said, "Perfect, this is
the great opportunity to get them."
494
00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:08,320
He texts me, and I said, "Do you
want me to send you an Uber?"
495
00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:10,760
Because he would always ask me
to send him an Uber,
496
00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:12,120
and I would always send it.
497
00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:14,040
And he's like,
"Oh, that would be great."
498
00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:16,960
And he said,
"Can I even shower at yours?
499
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:18,600
"Or, like, wash clothes at yours?"
500
00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:20,560
I said, "Yeah, of course.
No worries.
501
00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:22,280
Like, "We can just talk."
502
00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:23,800
You know, "I'm just packing."
503
00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:30,080
And basically, I got him the Uber
504
00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:32,520
and I shared the details
with the police,
505
00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:34,760
and they arrested him
in front of my house.
506
00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:42,640
I was relieved. Relieved.
507
00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:46,240
I said "Oh, my God,
he's going to be in jail.
508
00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:47,400
"I'm free.
509
00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:50,360
"I've finally got my life back,
510
00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:53,400
"and there is no way in hell this
guy's ever going to get in touch
511
00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:55,880
"with me, because he can't.
512
00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:58,040
"I'm free."
513
00:34:58,080 --> 00:35:00,680
And I went back to all my friends,
514
00:35:00,720 --> 00:35:03,360
my business partner, and I said,
"I've done it."
515
00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:08,040
Little did I think that
he would actually get bail.
516
00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:16,360
That was a big...blow to the gut.
517
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:17,680
I couldn't believe it.
518
00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:20,120
My name is Chris Daw,
519
00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:23,160
I'm a barrister and KC,
King's Counsel.
520
00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:25,240
But I have a niche area of practice,
521
00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:28,360
which is advising people who have
been the victims of crime.
522
00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:32,440
Juliana, I think had found me,
523
00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:36,360
searching and looking for someone
who might listen to her story.
524
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:40,360
It was an appalling breakdown of
the criminal justice system,
525
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:43,360
that that video evidence
was available to the police,
526
00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:46,360
available to the prosecution,
and available to the courts -
527
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:49,360
but somehow or other,
it didn't make its way through
528
00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:51,600
into the decisions
that were made about bail.
529
00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:53,000
And he was released on bail,
530
00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:57,000
even with that crystal-clear
evidence of guilt available
531
00:35:57,040 --> 00:35:58,520
to everyone at the beginning.
532
00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:04,560
I was in shock.
533
00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:10,720
So, I moved to an-an apartment
that had, like, a concierge
534
00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:12,680
and had CCTV everywhere.
535
00:36:12,720 --> 00:36:14,880
So, I'm just like
"I'll be safer here.
536
00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:16,760
"Even though he's going
to be on bail,
537
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:20,080
"he's not allowed to come here.
It's going to be fine."
538
00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:23,640
I then realised that he came
to my previous address twice.
539
00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:26,800
We reported him for breaching bail.
540
00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:31,800
It's almost post-separation rage.
541
00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:34,440
"You aren't going to get rid of me.
542
00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:36,120
"That's not how this works.
543
00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:39,240
"I'm in control. I am the winner.
544
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:41,000
"This is my story."
545
00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:44,160
And at this point in time,
546
00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:47,600
his behaviour is just as dangerous,
547
00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:49,960
if not more dangerous
than it was before,
548
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:55,240
because he feels entitled to break
boundaries and take control
549
00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:57,040
once again of her life.
550
00:36:57,080 --> 00:37:03,120
It's so scary to think that,
even though he had bail conditions,
551
00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:06,440
that he still managed to
come to my place.
552
00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:09,040
I don't think he knew
at the time that I had moved.
553
00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:13,520
I wouldn't even get out of my house.
554
00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:15,480
I mean, I have a small dog,
555
00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:18,320
and I wouldn't even
take him out for walks.
556
00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:19,840
I was terrified.
557
00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:25,600
The only reason he would not go to
jail was if he either convinced me
558
00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:30,720
not to report him, or if he did
something to me worse,
559
00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:31,880
he could kill me.
560
00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:38,440
I was as appalled as almost any
time in my career about
561
00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:40,680
the inaction of the
criminal justice system
562
00:37:40,720 --> 00:37:42,560
to protect a vulnerable victim.
563
00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:45,160
It was utterly shocking and
appalling, what happened.
564
00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:48,120
This girl has been through
a horrific ordeal
565
00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:49,520
up until this point.
566
00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:52,640
She is traumatised by what
has happened to her,
567
00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:55,160
and she can't escape him.
568
00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:57,280
Even when she tries, she can't.
569
00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:07,520
Actually, it was a friend
who sent me the website,
570
00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:09,640
saying she just put his name online
571
00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:14,280
and found these advertisements
where he was offering hypnotherapy.
572
00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:21,000
And with the first session for free
being held at his mum's house,
573
00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:25,800
in Ealing - which would also be
a breach of his bail conditions.
574
00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:30,560
That combination of someone who has
the ability to use hypnotherapy,
575
00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:34,800
or other forms of manipulation,
mind manipulation,
576
00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:40,200
coupled with a deep and unhealthy
interest in sexual violence -
577
00:38:40,240 --> 00:38:43,600
those two things are
incredible alarm bells,
578
00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:44,960
but nobody heard them.
579
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:47,440
And he was allowed to carry on
doing that for month
580
00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:48,960
after month, after month.
581
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:07,320
This feels really chilling, to...
be back here,
582
00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:09,560
and all these memories
that are coming back.
583
00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:17,280
The most difficult part of
being here was the fact
584
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:19,840
that Hubert was on bail.
585
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:23,080
So, he was walking
the same hallways as I was.
586
00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:26,680
I was going through security check.
587
00:39:26,720 --> 00:39:28,360
And when I look up,
588
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:31,920
I see Hubert just turning around,
he locked eyes with me.
589
00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:35,400
And that was the most chilling,
horrible moment.
590
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:38,280
And I just looked down,
591
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:40,040
and I avoided eye contact with him.
592
00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:43,200
It's unbelievable.
593
00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:48,000
I was...
594
00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:52,640
..in a state of
hypervigilance constantly.
595
00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:56,200
If he would go to the bathroom,
596
00:39:56,240 --> 00:39:58,240
if I wanted to go to the bathroom,
597
00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:01,080
if I went out for a cigarette here,
he would come after me.
598
00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:04,760
He wouldn't say a word,
but he would lock eyes with me.
599
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:10,960
You can see from his behaviour,
it is entitled, it is arrogant.
600
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:14,000
This says a lot about his -
how he sees himself.
601
00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:16,200
He will break rules if he needs to,
602
00:40:16,240 --> 00:40:18,960
because he's special,
in his own mind.
603
00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:37,480
I was relieved.
604
00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:41,600
Thank God, finally, someone who
sees him for the danger
605
00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:43,680
that he offers to me, and to others.
606
00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:49,440
He didn't express any
emotion at the trial.
607
00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:51,360
He didn't express any remorse.
608
00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:53,840
He thought himself above the law,
609
00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:57,840
and he had always been able to
talk his way out of things.
610
00:40:57,880 --> 00:41:01,120
And so, it's interesting -
in this scenario,
611
00:41:01,160 --> 00:41:02,680
he was not able to do that.
612
00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:09,360
No length of time probably would be
acceptable in Juliana's eyes,
613
00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:12,960
but 18 years is a good sentence.
614
00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:16,520
And it just goes to show the gravity
of exactly what he did to her.
615
00:41:18,720 --> 00:41:22,760
This is one of the longest sentences
that I've ever come across
616
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:26,560
for a first offender
in this area of criminality.
617
00:41:29,240 --> 00:41:31,320
We're motivated to find pleasure,
618
00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:34,120
to find meaning and
connection in our lives.
619
00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:37,760
And he was motivated by something
completely different -
620
00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:40,400
by power, by control.
621
00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:43,680
I believe that he really
wanted to hurt her,
622
00:41:43,720 --> 00:41:47,000
that he really wanted
to leave a lasting mark.
623
00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:48,880
He lacks feeling.
624
00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:50,160
He is a monster.
625
00:41:56,280 --> 00:42:00,040
It was testament to her character
and her strength of will
626
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:03,400
that would see her through years
and years of trying to bring
627
00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:05,000
this dangerous man to justice.
628
00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:12,440
She's very strong, the way
that she took on not just him,
629
00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:17,000
but the system around it.
630
00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:21,120
And now, she's, like,
rebuilding her life,
631
00:42:21,160 --> 00:42:26,560
and trying to take that ordeal
and moment in her life,
632
00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:30,520
and make it into something
productive and good.
633
00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:34,240
And, as I always say,
I really admire that woman,
634
00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:37,840
really, not just as a friend,
but as a as a person.
635
00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:39,520
As a woman.
636
00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:47,200
I think I was lucky
to get out alive.
637
00:42:47,240 --> 00:42:54,200
I was lucky that he wasn't able
to manipulate the system
638
00:42:54,240 --> 00:42:57,400
like he's been doing for years.
639
00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:04,400
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