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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:07,080 --> 00:00:08,680 This guy approaches me. 2 00:00:10,000 --> 00:00:12,800 I didn't want to have a relationship with him, and he convinced me. 3 00:00:13,760 --> 00:00:17,520 He perfected the art of manipulating 4 00:00:17,560 --> 00:00:20,680 people into doing and getting what he wanted. 5 00:00:21,800 --> 00:00:25,600 Just drop him. He's not a good man. You can't trust him. 6 00:00:25,640 --> 00:00:31,160 She can't escape him, that is a glaring red flag right there. 7 00:00:32,560 --> 00:00:37,440 I saw this video of me sleeping, with my hands tied up, in bed. 8 00:00:37,480 --> 00:00:38,560 And he was next to me. 9 00:00:43,120 --> 00:00:47,000 He recorded me for an hour, completely vulnerable, 10 00:00:47,040 --> 00:00:48,360 completely out of it. 11 00:00:50,840 --> 00:00:55,200 How did he manipulate her into completely erasing 12 00:00:55,240 --> 00:00:57,400 everything that she was before? 13 00:00:57,440 --> 00:01:01,480 Little did I think that he would actually get bail given 14 00:01:01,520 --> 00:01:03,000 the evidence that I had. 15 00:01:03,040 --> 00:01:05,480 You aren't going to get rid of me. 16 00:01:05,520 --> 00:01:07,480 That's not how this works. 17 00:01:07,520 --> 00:01:08,880 I'm in control. 18 00:01:08,920 --> 00:01:10,920 This person never loved me. 19 00:01:10,960 --> 00:01:12,680 This person is a psychopath. 20 00:01:12,720 --> 00:01:14,080 He could kill me. 21 00:01:14,120 --> 00:01:17,600 PHONE BUZZES AND CHIMES 22 00:01:36,280 --> 00:01:38,160 I was a pastry chef, 23 00:01:38,200 --> 00:01:40,840 and I studied in London in 2012, 24 00:01:40,880 --> 00:01:42,760 and I fell in love with the city. 25 00:01:42,800 --> 00:01:46,560 The fact that there are so many different cultures in one city. 26 00:01:46,600 --> 00:01:49,800 Uh, I personally love the weather. 27 00:01:51,520 --> 00:01:56,120 And when I came back in 2017 to do a diploma in culinary management, 28 00:01:56,160 --> 00:02:00,440 that's when I decided that I wanted to move here to start my business, 29 00:02:00,480 --> 00:02:02,200 which is a food travel business 30 00:02:02,240 --> 00:02:05,160 that offers culinary experiences around Europe. 31 00:02:05,200 --> 00:02:09,080 She was, like the life of the... 32 00:02:09,120 --> 00:02:10,640 ..the life of the party. 33 00:02:10,680 --> 00:02:14,160 When she was in the room, she was like 34 00:02:14,200 --> 00:02:18,040 so, like, magnetic to people. 35 00:02:20,600 --> 00:02:22,360 I've always been very happy 36 00:02:22,400 --> 00:02:25,920 and very optimistic about life and my passions. 37 00:02:25,960 --> 00:02:29,800 Pretty much I had my dream job living in my dream city. 38 00:02:38,160 --> 00:02:40,040 Being back here is... 39 00:02:42,600 --> 00:02:47,520 I mean, this is the starting point of when I met Hubert. 40 00:02:47,560 --> 00:02:51,080 Just the fact that I met him here, um... 41 00:02:52,680 --> 00:02:54,280 ..still gives me the chills. 42 00:02:56,440 --> 00:03:00,920 I was standing by the bar as my friend was talking to someone. 43 00:03:00,960 --> 00:03:03,920 And I was just waiting there, I was ready to leave. 44 00:03:03,960 --> 00:03:07,920 And this guy approaches me, and he's not attractive. 45 00:03:07,960 --> 00:03:11,120 And he asked like, "Can I speak with you?" 46 00:03:11,160 --> 00:03:15,280 And because I was alone and bored, I said, OK. 47 00:03:15,320 --> 00:03:17,600 I'm not going to be rude for no reason. 48 00:03:17,640 --> 00:03:19,120 He kept asking questions. 49 00:03:19,160 --> 00:03:22,680 He kept trying to get to know me, but it was a quick encounter, 50 00:03:22,720 --> 00:03:24,320 that's all I can remember, really. 51 00:03:31,160 --> 00:03:32,800 And I was just about to go 52 00:03:32,840 --> 00:03:35,800 and he said, "Wait. Can I have your number? 53 00:03:35,840 --> 00:03:39,680 "The only thing is my phone has run out of battery, 54 00:03:39,720 --> 00:03:42,040 "so I'll have to remember it by heart." 55 00:03:42,080 --> 00:03:44,880 So, I'm like, in other circumstances, 56 00:03:44,920 --> 00:03:46,880 I would never have given my number to him. 57 00:03:46,920 --> 00:03:49,760 But because we were in a loud pub with loud music, 58 00:03:49,800 --> 00:03:53,200 um, he had no phone to write my number down. 59 00:03:53,240 --> 00:03:55,480 I was just like, there's no way he'll remember it. 60 00:03:55,520 --> 00:03:58,600 So, I said it really quickly and only once. 61 00:03:58,640 --> 00:04:00,720 And I said, "That's it. Bye." 62 00:04:03,600 --> 00:04:09,440 At this point, there are no particular signs of a red flag. 63 00:04:09,480 --> 00:04:11,320 It's just one of those encounters 64 00:04:11,360 --> 00:04:13,520 and you just brush it off and keep moving. 65 00:04:16,920 --> 00:04:20,160 But later that night, he actually messaged me. 66 00:04:20,200 --> 00:04:22,960 PHONE BEEPS He basically said that, "Oh, 67 00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:25,040 "I was supposed to stay with a friend tonight, 68 00:04:25,080 --> 00:04:26,600 "but I got locked out." 69 00:04:26,640 --> 00:04:29,160 PHONE BEEPS For me, it was a no-brainer. 70 00:04:29,200 --> 00:04:30,760 Like, no good luck. 71 00:04:30,800 --> 00:04:32,560 He was a bit insistent. 72 00:04:32,600 --> 00:04:34,280 PHONE BEEPS 73 00:04:34,320 --> 00:04:36,520 Which I ignored. 74 00:04:45,320 --> 00:04:48,040 I was in Italy travelling for work for a week, 75 00:04:48,080 --> 00:04:50,560 and I got a WhatsApp message, which was different. 76 00:04:50,600 --> 00:04:54,600 The first time he texted me was from a SMS, so I couldn't see a photo. 77 00:04:59,960 --> 00:05:02,680 Then I was excited because I thought, 78 00:05:02,720 --> 00:05:04,800 "Oh, this...this guy seems nice." 79 00:05:04,840 --> 00:05:07,080 He actually invited me for a drink 80 00:05:07,120 --> 00:05:08,840 and I was looking forward to seeing him. 81 00:05:21,800 --> 00:05:24,320 I didn't know it was him to begin with. 82 00:05:24,360 --> 00:05:26,560 He said, "Oh, you really like this place." 83 00:05:26,600 --> 00:05:27,840 And I said, "What do you mean? 84 00:05:27,880 --> 00:05:29,400 "This is the first time we come here." 85 00:05:29,440 --> 00:05:32,120 He then realised that I thought he was someone else and that's 86 00:05:32,160 --> 00:05:34,920 when I realised that it was him. 87 00:05:37,440 --> 00:05:39,800 I felt guilty, I felt bad for him. 88 00:05:39,840 --> 00:05:42,520 When he stormed out, I was just like, "Ooh," you know, 89 00:05:42,560 --> 00:05:44,040 but I didn't go after him. 90 00:05:44,080 --> 00:05:47,160 I actually went to the restroom and when I came back, 91 00:05:47,200 --> 00:05:49,520 he was holding hands with another girl. 92 00:05:49,560 --> 00:05:51,680 So, I'm just like, "Goodbye. 93 00:05:51,720 --> 00:05:55,080 "Don't text me ever again. I'm not interested." 94 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:03,840 So she has already displayed really that she is not that interested, 95 00:06:03,880 --> 00:06:05,840 he's not really her type, 96 00:06:05,880 --> 00:06:10,640 but what he then does is he starts his, 97 00:06:10,680 --> 00:06:12,600 really harassment more than anything, 98 00:06:12,640 --> 00:06:14,680 this persistent nature. 99 00:06:14,720 --> 00:06:16,160 PHONE CHIMES 100 00:06:23,120 --> 00:06:24,760 This kind of insistence 101 00:06:24,800 --> 00:06:26,960 of contacting her. 102 00:06:27,000 --> 00:06:30,800 I want to say sorry, I want to apologise is... 103 00:06:30,840 --> 00:06:33,560 ..is an emotional manipulation of her. 104 00:06:33,600 --> 00:06:36,680 And I would say that red flags 105 00:06:36,720 --> 00:06:38,080 are beginning to emerge. 106 00:06:39,360 --> 00:06:42,400 Looking back at it now, I don't understand how it was 107 00:06:42,440 --> 00:06:46,760 possible for me to even continue a conversation with him. 108 00:06:46,800 --> 00:06:49,720 And that's kind of his attraction. 109 00:06:49,760 --> 00:06:54,800 The way that he manages to keep you open to talking to him. 110 00:07:02,760 --> 00:07:07,280 He just sent...just showered me with a wave of compliments. 111 00:07:11,840 --> 00:07:15,440 I just thought, "Wow, he was really keen." 112 00:07:15,480 --> 00:07:19,080 You know, perhaps I maybe should give him a chance. 113 00:07:25,480 --> 00:07:27,840 He texted me saying he wanted to come and see me 114 00:07:27,880 --> 00:07:29,240 just to talk with me. 115 00:07:30,960 --> 00:07:35,040 So, he came over and he saw that we had a piano in the flat. 116 00:07:35,080 --> 00:07:37,800 He's like, "Oh, my God, you have a piano! Can I play?" 117 00:07:37,840 --> 00:07:40,360 And I said, "Absolutely, go for it." 118 00:07:40,400 --> 00:07:42,800 And that's when I started finding him 119 00:07:42,840 --> 00:07:45,800 actually really interesting because I really like music. 120 00:07:45,840 --> 00:07:47,920 SLOW PIANO NOTES 121 00:07:47,960 --> 00:07:50,920 I've always admired people 122 00:07:50,960 --> 00:07:54,400 who are in any way artistic. 123 00:07:54,440 --> 00:07:57,880 So, he played piano, and I was just shocked 124 00:07:57,920 --> 00:08:03,800 cos, actually, he played my favourite Chopin music. 125 00:08:06,520 --> 00:08:11,480 Perhaps what we're beginning to see is the beginning of wearing 126 00:08:11,520 --> 00:08:12,760 those rose-tinted glasses. 127 00:08:12,800 --> 00:08:14,880 This could be something. 128 00:08:31,800 --> 00:08:36,360 I was impressed by how much he wanted to get to know me, 129 00:08:36,400 --> 00:08:41,760 so he was asking me questions about my family, my background, 130 00:08:41,800 --> 00:08:44,360 what did I like, what did I fear? 131 00:08:44,400 --> 00:08:47,800 The things that he said about me made me think, 132 00:08:47,840 --> 00:08:50,640 "Wow, this person has a very good perception of people. 133 00:08:50,680 --> 00:08:53,080 "He can read people very well because he's describing me, 134 00:08:53,120 --> 00:08:55,440 "and I haven't even told him about me." 135 00:08:55,480 --> 00:09:01,240 If you put yourself in Juliana's position, you have somebody here 136 00:09:01,280 --> 00:09:06,000 who asks you lots of things about yourself, who seems really into you. 137 00:09:06,040 --> 00:09:09,680 All these elements are incredibly attractive 138 00:09:09,720 --> 00:09:14,880 because what that's done is put you front and centre and made you 139 00:09:14,920 --> 00:09:20,600 the most interesting, charismatic, attractive person to them. 140 00:09:20,640 --> 00:09:24,280 And that's, I think, when you start to fall for somebody. 141 00:09:24,320 --> 00:09:28,200 All your emotions now are beginning to become ignited. 142 00:09:30,360 --> 00:09:34,160 I always felt like I was learning something new when I was around him. 143 00:09:34,200 --> 00:09:36,520 He seemed very smart, 144 00:09:36,560 --> 00:09:41,360 and he seemed like he had so much emotional intelligence. 145 00:09:46,800 --> 00:09:52,640 At one point you start getting attached and he used a lot of... 146 00:09:52,680 --> 00:09:55,920 His love bombing wasn't just words, it was touch. 147 00:09:59,400 --> 00:10:00,520 He would hug me. 148 00:10:00,560 --> 00:10:03,040 Erm, he would hold hands with me. 149 00:10:03,080 --> 00:10:05,800 He would sleep holding hands with me. 150 00:10:05,840 --> 00:10:11,240 And you don't realise how much the body gets accustomed to that, 151 00:10:11,280 --> 00:10:15,400 and misses that, and needs that. 152 00:10:15,440 --> 00:10:17,480 And so, when I wouldn't see him, 153 00:10:17,520 --> 00:10:21,200 it was like I was having withdrawals from being with him. 154 00:10:21,240 --> 00:10:25,480 And I would say to him, "Hubert, I think you're my drug." 155 00:10:25,520 --> 00:10:29,240 Like, "I'm getting attached," you know? 156 00:10:29,280 --> 00:10:32,480 And, at the same time, I didn't want to have a relationship with him, 157 00:10:32,520 --> 00:10:35,600 and he convinced me, "Oh, let's just give it a try," 158 00:10:35,640 --> 00:10:37,960 er, which I eventually agreed to. 159 00:11:06,280 --> 00:11:09,560 He would either text me or call me, 160 00:11:09,600 --> 00:11:12,120 crying, asking for help, saying, "I'm too drunk. 161 00:11:12,160 --> 00:11:14,400 "I want to see you." 162 00:11:14,440 --> 00:11:17,160 And I would be like, "He needs help." 163 00:11:17,200 --> 00:11:20,920 And he would usually do it between 2-3am in the morning. 164 00:11:23,560 --> 00:11:28,240 These messages and calls got so constant that, after a time, 165 00:11:28,280 --> 00:11:30,800 I would just wake up at that time. 166 00:11:30,840 --> 00:11:34,480 And I felt this anxiety and worry about him, like, 167 00:11:34,520 --> 00:11:36,480 "Oh, my God, is he OK?" 168 00:11:38,920 --> 00:11:41,360 So, I just thought he genuinely needed the money. 169 00:11:48,480 --> 00:11:51,160 He said that he was cycling home drunk, 170 00:11:51,200 --> 00:11:53,520 and he cycled into a wall, 171 00:11:53,560 --> 00:11:55,120 a brick wall. 172 00:11:58,640 --> 00:11:59,920 And I'm just like, 173 00:11:59,960 --> 00:12:03,640 "Clearly, you were punched in the face by someone." 174 00:12:03,680 --> 00:12:07,520 He's like, "Is there any chance you could give me some money for food?" 175 00:12:07,560 --> 00:12:10,520 Like, "I can't go outside like this," you know? 176 00:12:12,880 --> 00:12:14,760 And I said, "I'm not sending you money." 177 00:12:14,800 --> 00:12:17,520 And I later found out that he also sent that photo 178 00:12:17,560 --> 00:12:19,720 to many people asking for help. 179 00:12:19,760 --> 00:12:21,720 Basically, it was just money for drugs. 180 00:12:26,160 --> 00:12:29,160 That is a screaming red flag in itself. 181 00:12:29,200 --> 00:12:33,080 Substance abuse in any level is not OK. 182 00:12:33,120 --> 00:12:37,520 And certainly, in this instance where he is lying to her about 183 00:12:37,560 --> 00:12:38,960 why he needs this money. 184 00:12:48,760 --> 00:12:51,160 My flatmates and I had a cleaner that would come. 185 00:12:51,200 --> 00:12:54,840 And I realised that, in my toiletry bag, 186 00:12:54,880 --> 00:12:58,200 there was an empty bag of coke. 187 00:12:58,240 --> 00:13:00,280 I texted her and I said, "This is not mine. 188 00:13:00,320 --> 00:13:01,600 "Where did you find this?" 189 00:13:01,640 --> 00:13:04,240 And she said that it was under the bathroom mat. 190 00:13:04,280 --> 00:13:07,000 Erm, and that's when I realised it was his. 191 00:13:08,680 --> 00:13:10,000 I was just so angry. 192 00:13:10,040 --> 00:13:14,440 I told him, "I do not want any kind of drug like that in my house. 193 00:13:14,480 --> 00:13:16,960 "I don't want to see you any more ever again." 194 00:13:19,800 --> 00:13:21,400 I couldn't shake him off me. 195 00:13:24,360 --> 00:13:28,960 Something has gone very badly wrong in that dynamic. 196 00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:33,200 And now, what you've got there is that it's a power play - 197 00:13:33,240 --> 00:13:35,640 and she is in the one-down position. 198 00:13:41,880 --> 00:13:45,480 One day, he was texting, and I could see he was visibly upset. 199 00:13:45,520 --> 00:13:48,400 And he kept receiving messages from someone. 200 00:13:48,440 --> 00:13:50,160 And I could see the name, who it was. 201 00:13:50,200 --> 00:13:51,880 PHONE CHIMES 202 00:13:51,920 --> 00:13:53,600 And I said, "Is everything OK?" 203 00:13:53,640 --> 00:13:55,640 And he said, "Yeah, yeah, I just don't..." 204 00:13:55,680 --> 00:13:57,960 He said, "I don't want to talk about it." 205 00:13:58,000 --> 00:13:59,360 And he went to the bathroom, 206 00:13:59,400 --> 00:14:02,200 and he was in the bathroom texting. 207 00:14:02,240 --> 00:14:04,560 So, I was just like, "What the hell is going on?" 208 00:14:06,920 --> 00:14:10,320 I decided to text that person. 209 00:14:10,360 --> 00:14:12,080 I went on his Facebook. 210 00:14:12,120 --> 00:14:15,080 And she's like, "Oh, yes, I'm his girlfriend - 211 00:14:15,120 --> 00:14:16,840 "one of his girlfriends." 212 00:14:18,200 --> 00:14:19,640 And I'm just like, "What?" 213 00:14:21,280 --> 00:14:23,360 I thought I was his girlfriend. 214 00:14:27,280 --> 00:14:29,960 she basically said, "Oh, it's not the first time he's done that. 215 00:14:30,000 --> 00:14:33,640 "He's been in a relationship with three different girls." 216 00:14:38,280 --> 00:14:41,200 Oh, my God, this is not the first time this person does that. 217 00:14:41,240 --> 00:14:42,800 He's a proper creep. 218 00:14:42,840 --> 00:14:44,400 Like, this guy's crazy. 219 00:14:45,720 --> 00:14:47,720 So, yeah, they broke up with him, 220 00:14:47,760 --> 00:14:50,040 and I straight away broke up with him, as well. 221 00:14:54,720 --> 00:14:57,640 And he, again, continued to pursue me. 222 00:15:00,880 --> 00:15:05,200 This kind of insistence of contacting her is 223 00:15:05,240 --> 00:15:10,080 an emotional manipulation of her, because she's worn down. 224 00:15:10,120 --> 00:15:12,960 And maybe, at this point in time, she's thinking, 225 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:16,320 "If I just give in and let him come around and apologise, 226 00:15:16,360 --> 00:15:19,760 "it will be over, and I can just get back to my normal life." 227 00:15:21,880 --> 00:15:24,360 And that's when he knocked at my door and said, 228 00:15:24,400 --> 00:15:28,520 "I got you tickets to watch the Cinderella Ballet. 229 00:15:28,560 --> 00:15:30,720 "Would you want to come with me as friends?" 230 00:15:38,000 --> 00:15:40,080 I was so excited to come. 231 00:15:41,800 --> 00:15:45,080 This was the first time that I wouldn't have to pay for something 232 00:15:45,120 --> 00:15:46,160 when we went out. 233 00:15:47,320 --> 00:15:50,960 I said, "Well, maybe he'll change. Maybe he does care about me. 234 00:15:51,000 --> 00:15:53,560 "Maybe he wants to make me happy." 235 00:15:54,880 --> 00:15:59,120 When I met him here, he said that he's supposed to be working. 236 00:15:59,160 --> 00:16:02,800 And so, it just felt like we were doing something wrong, 237 00:16:02,840 --> 00:16:05,320 I got conned into paying for dinner. 238 00:16:05,360 --> 00:16:09,200 He tried to get me to pay for drinks for his manager and his wife, 239 00:16:09,240 --> 00:16:10,640 which I refused to. 240 00:16:10,680 --> 00:16:13,400 He went back to the bar and tried to use a card 241 00:16:13,440 --> 00:16:16,320 that he had found here while he was working. 242 00:16:18,560 --> 00:16:22,320 That is a glaring red flag right there. 243 00:16:22,360 --> 00:16:25,920 He is now committing crime to live this lifestyle 244 00:16:25,960 --> 00:16:28,960 that he is lying to people about. 245 00:16:29,000 --> 00:16:33,720 Juliana doesn't leave at this moment. 246 00:16:33,760 --> 00:16:35,600 Why? I'm not sure. 247 00:16:35,640 --> 00:16:39,840 It just goes to show how much he has got her hooked. 248 00:16:39,880 --> 00:16:44,720 I was constantly in an anxious state of despair, really, 249 00:16:44,760 --> 00:16:47,800 erm, not feeling safe, 250 00:16:47,840 --> 00:16:49,360 not feeling taken care of. 251 00:16:52,280 --> 00:16:53,280 It was horrible. 252 00:16:53,320 --> 00:16:54,960 I felt like I had no way out. 253 00:16:55,000 --> 00:16:57,320 I felt like he was just dragging me down. 254 00:17:00,920 --> 00:17:03,880 When she first told me about him, that I remember, 255 00:17:03,920 --> 00:17:07,080 was when I came to London for a visit. 256 00:17:07,120 --> 00:17:10,480 It was after she found out that he was doing drugs, 257 00:17:10,520 --> 00:17:15,080 and he was still in a sort of relationship with his ex-girlfriend. 258 00:17:16,960 --> 00:17:19,200 "Just drop him. He's not a good man. 259 00:17:19,240 --> 00:17:20,440 "You can't trust him. 260 00:17:20,480 --> 00:17:22,880 "Obviously, he lies, he manipulates. 261 00:17:22,920 --> 00:17:24,880 "Just drop him." 262 00:17:24,920 --> 00:17:28,840 And I thought she would do that. 263 00:17:28,880 --> 00:17:31,800 She never had the problem to detach from someone 264 00:17:31,840 --> 00:17:33,040 who was not good for her. 265 00:17:34,320 --> 00:17:38,400 And...I told her I would. 266 00:17:39,960 --> 00:17:41,040 And I didn't. 267 00:17:44,760 --> 00:17:50,320 He perfected the art of manipulating people into doing 268 00:17:50,360 --> 00:17:51,880 and getting what he wanted. 269 00:17:51,920 --> 00:17:54,920 I don't know if he used neuro-linguistics programming 270 00:17:54,960 --> 00:17:57,320 for that, or hypnosis for that. 271 00:17:58,560 --> 00:18:00,320 He was able to move on and 272 00:18:00,360 --> 00:18:04,000 distract me with something else very easily. 273 00:18:04,040 --> 00:18:06,880 And somehow, you'd be like, 274 00:18:06,920 --> 00:18:08,880 "No, this is not OK." 275 00:18:08,920 --> 00:18:12,640 And when you see you're not even talking about it any more, 276 00:18:12,680 --> 00:18:15,720 and it's...I can't even connect it. 277 00:18:15,760 --> 00:18:17,000 It was just... 278 00:18:19,000 --> 00:18:21,200 I don't even know how to tell you this. 279 00:18:27,560 --> 00:18:32,600 Whenever I would indicate that I didn't want to see him any more, 280 00:18:32,640 --> 00:18:35,560 then he would be very emotional 281 00:18:35,600 --> 00:18:37,480 and threaten to kill himself. 282 00:18:41,880 --> 00:18:45,720 He has spotted that she really cares about other people. 283 00:18:45,760 --> 00:18:47,920 She's kind, she's empathic, 284 00:18:47,960 --> 00:18:51,560 and she would do anything to support and help him. 285 00:18:51,600 --> 00:18:55,520 "I'm OK, you're not OK, and I can help you." 286 00:18:57,640 --> 00:18:58,960 He's being so vulnerable. 287 00:18:59,000 --> 00:19:01,760 Like, he's trusting me with his issues, 288 00:19:01,800 --> 00:19:05,520 so I felt like I had a purpose, and I needed to help him. 289 00:19:06,920 --> 00:19:09,960 And I think that was the biggest hook. 290 00:19:10,000 --> 00:19:14,120 There is a sense that all is not well 291 00:19:14,160 --> 00:19:16,640 on a logical part of her brain. 292 00:19:16,680 --> 00:19:21,200 But she may at this point have started selecting out information 293 00:19:21,240 --> 00:19:24,320 that would help her and replacing it with, 294 00:19:24,360 --> 00:19:28,600 "But I'm attracted to this person, and he seems really helpless, 295 00:19:28,640 --> 00:19:30,240 "and I need to help him." 296 00:19:33,680 --> 00:19:37,680 So, he has used every single one of her strengths against her. 297 00:20:06,560 --> 00:20:09,160 A flatmate left her credit card on the table, 298 00:20:09,200 --> 00:20:11,720 and I said, "Put it away, don't leave it here." 299 00:20:11,760 --> 00:20:17,000 Because I knew that he was using a card he found at his job 300 00:20:17,040 --> 00:20:19,840 at the Royal Albert Hall to try to pay for drinks. 301 00:20:19,880 --> 00:20:24,240 "And I'm not entirely sure he wouldn't take your card and use it." 302 00:20:25,720 --> 00:20:28,840 Which, looking back now, is just like... 303 00:20:28,880 --> 00:20:30,680 ..is that a major red flag? 304 00:20:35,040 --> 00:20:38,320 They said, "Look, if you don't even trust this person having 305 00:20:38,360 --> 00:20:41,240 "a credit card around, lying around in the house," 306 00:20:41,280 --> 00:20:42,960 like, "we don't want him around." 307 00:20:44,640 --> 00:20:51,120 She is having to choose between her boyfriend and her friends. 308 00:20:51,160 --> 00:20:53,040 Anyone on the outside looking in, 309 00:20:53,080 --> 00:20:56,200 you would know which side you would take in that situation. 310 00:20:56,240 --> 00:20:58,480 But he has got her that gripped. 311 00:20:58,520 --> 00:21:01,280 Unwittingly, all these friends have done is pushed her 312 00:21:01,320 --> 00:21:03,520 even more to him. 313 00:21:03,560 --> 00:21:04,800 Dangerous. 314 00:21:13,960 --> 00:21:18,400 He messaged me asking if he could stay with me just a couple of days, 315 00:21:18,440 --> 00:21:19,960 because he said he was homeless. 316 00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:21,720 And I told him, "No. 317 00:21:21,760 --> 00:21:24,680 "You know that my flatmates don't allow you here any more." 318 00:21:24,720 --> 00:21:27,720 And he basically insisted, saying, "I don't have anywhere to go. 319 00:21:27,760 --> 00:21:30,960 "I'm going to have to sleep on the streets if you don't." 320 00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:34,600 So, I told him, "OK, but we have to go to my place 321 00:21:34,640 --> 00:21:36,400 "once everyone's asleep, 322 00:21:36,440 --> 00:21:38,680 "and you have to leave before everyone wakes up, 323 00:21:38,720 --> 00:21:40,680 "so they don't know that you're there." 324 00:21:43,520 --> 00:21:48,520 This location brings a lot of memories because of the day that 325 00:21:48,560 --> 00:21:50,440 we spent hours in the cold 326 00:21:50,480 --> 00:21:53,840 just waiting for my flatmates to fall asleep. 327 00:21:55,400 --> 00:21:57,720 I felt absolutely horrible. 328 00:21:57,760 --> 00:21:59,360 My anxiety was through the roof. 329 00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:02,480 I just wanted to go home, and I couldn't. 330 00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:04,320 And it felt like a nightmare. 331 00:22:06,160 --> 00:22:09,040 In the morning, when I went out for a walk, 332 00:22:09,080 --> 00:22:12,920 he just purposely went to the bathroom and waited 333 00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:14,080 until they were awake, 334 00:22:14,120 --> 00:22:16,560 so that they would know that he was inside 335 00:22:16,600 --> 00:22:17,920 when he opened the door. 336 00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:27,320 "We can see you dying in front of us." 337 00:22:31,280 --> 00:22:34,160 "The spark has gone, the... 338 00:22:35,520 --> 00:22:40,400 "..optimism and, you know, the energy that you had is gone." 339 00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:43,920 And the funny thing was that I was constantly saying, 340 00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:45,520 "I don't want to be with him. 341 00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:47,240 "I need help." 342 00:22:47,280 --> 00:22:51,440 And I did seek help, like, psychological help. 343 00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:02,280 And then, he calls her "arrogant" 344 00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:06,320 to decide that she knows what's best for another human being. 345 00:23:06,360 --> 00:23:09,120 But what is key in this is they're having this debate, 346 00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:12,000 and then, a minute passes, 347 00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:14,000 and it's just a complete flip. 348 00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:16,440 "I miss you. I wish I could kiss you." 349 00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:18,720 Sad face emojis. 350 00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:21,800 "Every day, I have to try not to text you." 351 00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:22,960 OK. 352 00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:26,800 Wh-Why is he verbalising this to her? 353 00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:28,560 To make her feel sorry for him? 354 00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:35,080 From her flatmate's point of view, 355 00:23:35,120 --> 00:23:37,200 they are not involved with him. 356 00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:40,520 They can dispassionately see what's going on. 357 00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:47,600 I thought that if they got to know him, 358 00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:49,040 if they gave him a chance, 359 00:23:49,080 --> 00:23:51,880 that they would see the good in him that I saw, 360 00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:53,760 which was pretty much potential. 361 00:23:55,920 --> 00:23:58,720 I thought, "Wow, this person can do something of himself 362 00:23:58,760 --> 00:24:00,960 "if he gets his life in order." 363 00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:02,800 And he would play on me, saying, 364 00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:05,320 "You're the only person that can help me get my life in order. 365 00:24:05,360 --> 00:24:06,560 "I need you." 366 00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:11,040 They can tell what's happening to her. 367 00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:13,960 But she's justifying it to herself because, at this point, 368 00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:16,680 I think she's become dependent on him, 369 00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:19,240 as the centre of her world, 370 00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:21,720 and someone she really wants to help. 371 00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:31,520 He put himself in a situation where he would be found out by 372 00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:34,000 my flatmates on purpose, 373 00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:37,360 so that I would have to move into a new one by myself - 374 00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:40,560 which meant then, he would have a new place to stay. 375 00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:43,840 Oh, they were angry. 376 00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:48,240 To be honest, I was ashamed, as well. 377 00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:50,280 So, I was just like, "I gotta go." 378 00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:55,960 She's also now becoming isolated from her support network - 379 00:24:56,000 --> 00:25:00,200 which, interestingly, is exactly his strategy. 380 00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:02,400 That's what he wants her to do, 381 00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:04,960 so that she's now emotionally reliant on him, 382 00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:08,000 so that he can manipulate her any which way he likes. 383 00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:14,880 They helped me to the point where they could help me. 384 00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:16,920 They didn't know what else to do. 385 00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:19,720 And, because I wasn't being honest with them, 386 00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:22,760 because I was hiding him from them, 387 00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:24,840 how could they help me? 388 00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:26,520 So, I don't blame them. 389 00:25:41,280 --> 00:25:43,640 He was living off me. 390 00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:45,360 Pretty much, I was his golden ticket. 391 00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:46,760 He wasn't paying rent. 392 00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:50,880 He wasn't, you know, paying for food for anything. 393 00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:55,800 I felt so frustrated that I was basically taking care of him. 394 00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:03,200 We know that there are times that the victims will try 395 00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:04,680 and stand up for themselves. 396 00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:07,640 That inner part of them will be screaming, you know, 397 00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:10,200 "Run, don't do it, leave them." 398 00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:13,760 But, because these people, these suspects are so good 399 00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:17,120 at what they do, they will gaslight that situation, 400 00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:18,560 make it their fault. 401 00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:26,040 She's trauma-bonded to him now. 402 00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:42,680 Sometimes, this person is lovely and gives you lots of compliments, 403 00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:45,760 and is charming and caring for you. 404 00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:48,320 And then, they withdraw it, and then, they're cold 405 00:26:48,360 --> 00:26:50,320 and they're distant. 406 00:26:50,360 --> 00:26:52,920 And what does that do to a person? 407 00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:54,680 It makes them run after them again. 408 00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:09,280 I would feel bad turning him away. 409 00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:14,160 I generally was afraid that something bad would happen to him. 410 00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:21,320 I'm a good friend of Juliana's. 411 00:27:21,360 --> 00:27:24,200 I've chosen to remain anonymous. 412 00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:27,680 I believe that Hubert is a very dangerous individual. 413 00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:33,720 He was deeply disturbed as a person. 414 00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:35,400 He always shifted the blame, 415 00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:37,120 made himself out to be the victim. 416 00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:41,920 He used to send pictures, 417 00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:46,880 send videos of himself where he is crying, 418 00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:48,840 where he's upset. 419 00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:53,000 He would also often say that he was going to kill himself. 420 00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:57,840 So, all of these manipulation tactics to 421 00:27:57,880 --> 00:28:00,400 invoke somebody's sympathy. 422 00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:07,720 Look at all the boundaries he has pushed up until this moment, 423 00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:09,440 and he's been able to win her back. 424 00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:12,760 I genuinely think at this point, he knows he's not going anywhere. 425 00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:16,800 He knows that she now has no-one else other than him. 426 00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:32,320 He transferred £300 from my PayPal account to his account. 427 00:28:32,360 --> 00:28:34,840 I found out by mistake, I think - 428 00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:36,800 I got, like, an email saying, 429 00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:39,760 "Oh, do you want to check your recent transactions?" 430 00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:42,960 And I clicked on it, and I realised he had to transfer that money. 431 00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:44,800 And, because he did it behind my back... 432 00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:49,200 ..to me, that was the moment I said, 433 00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:51,080 "I can't be with this guy any more. 434 00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:54,080 "He's never going to change." 435 00:28:56,720 --> 00:29:00,120 Thankfully, that is the straw that breaks the camel's back. 436 00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:01,800 We see that time and time again. 437 00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:03,320 It can be the smallest thing. 438 00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:04,960 But enough is enough. 439 00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:08,720 I kick him out. 440 00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:10,760 The same day, he sends me a text. 441 00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:14,360 And he says, "What's your dad's WhatsApp number? 442 00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:19,320 "I want to send him a video for his 80th birthday." 443 00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:27,560 At that point, I was so used to... 444 00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:29,800 ..being manipulated by him. 445 00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:42,240 He convinced me to take a huge amount of ketamine. 446 00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:45,800 And he recorded me for an hour, 447 00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:47,440 completely vulnerable, 448 00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:48,920 completely out of it. 449 00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:01,160 HE CHUCKLES 450 00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:20,440 In the video, he says something like, 451 00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:23,080 "You're in a state where someone could rob you or rape you, 452 00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:24,480 "and you wouldn't even know." 453 00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:36,080 He knew that my dad finding out that I was drugged, 454 00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:39,160 and that I was in this situation would just kill me. 455 00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:54,000 I saw this video of me sleeping, 456 00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:58,200 snoring with my hands tied up in bed. 457 00:30:58,240 --> 00:30:59,560 And he was next to me. 458 00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:05,640 He calls my name to see if I would wake up. 459 00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:08,640 And I'm still snoring, I'm out of it. 460 00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:11,280 And then, he... 461 00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:14,280 ..starts sexually assaulting me. 462 00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:27,320 In this video, he says, "I'm completely raping you, 463 00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:29,320 "while you're asleep and unconscious, 464 00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:31,080 "and making a video of it, as well." 465 00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:38,920 I thought he was a monster. 466 00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:43,840 How did he manipulate her into completely erasing 467 00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:45,680 everything that she was before? 468 00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:54,040 How utterly horrific! 469 00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:57,200 How utterly horrendous for her to go through that 470 00:31:57,240 --> 00:32:00,560 with no control at all, 471 00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:03,160 and no sense of what's actually happening to her. 472 00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:07,120 I thought, "I need to go to the police, 473 00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:10,000 "and I need to report this person." 474 00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:17,280 Can I be honest? I felt relief. 475 00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:20,920 Cos I thought, "Now, I have a way that I can finally get rid of him. 476 00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:23,360 "That he won't be able to get back 477 00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:25,280 "and convince me to see him again." 478 00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:30,400 This person never loved me. 479 00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:31,880 This person is a psychopath. 480 00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:44,440 Once I realised how dangerous he actually was, 481 00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:52,040 I was more focused on making sure that he would be held accountable 482 00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:53,440 for what he did, 483 00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:55,960 and that he couldn't do that to any other woman. 484 00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:03,240 I lied to him, I said, "Look, you've ruined my life here. 485 00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:05,520 "I give up. I've told my dad everything. 486 00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:07,280 "You're not going to blackmail me. 487 00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:09,120 "I'm going back to Brazil on Monday." 488 00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:14,080 I just wanted to buy time to actually go to the police 489 00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:17,000 and report him, given that I had all the evidence I needed. 490 00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:28,120 What happens is he actually emails me. 491 00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:29,640 "I know you're going to leave, 492 00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:32,760 "but I wanted to see you before you leave," or something like that. 493 00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:36,040 And I said, "Perfect, this is the great opportunity to get them." 494 00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:08,320 He texts me, and I said, "Do you want me to send you an Uber?" 495 00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:10,760 Because he would always ask me to send him an Uber, 496 00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:12,120 and I would always send it. 497 00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:14,040 And he's like, "Oh, that would be great." 498 00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:16,960 And he said, "Can I even shower at yours? 499 00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:18,600 "Or, like, wash clothes at yours?" 500 00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:20,560 I said, "Yeah, of course. No worries. 501 00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:22,280 Like, "We can just talk." 502 00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:23,800 You know, "I'm just packing." 503 00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:30,080 And basically, I got him the Uber 504 00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:32,520 and I shared the details with the police, 505 00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:34,760 and they arrested him in front of my house. 506 00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:42,640 I was relieved. Relieved. 507 00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:46,240 I said "Oh, my God, he's going to be in jail. 508 00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:47,400 "I'm free. 509 00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:50,360 "I've finally got my life back, 510 00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:53,400 "and there is no way in hell this guy's ever going to get in touch 511 00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:55,880 "with me, because he can't. 512 00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:58,040 "I'm free." 513 00:34:58,080 --> 00:35:00,680 And I went back to all my friends, 514 00:35:00,720 --> 00:35:03,360 my business partner, and I said, "I've done it." 515 00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:08,040 Little did I think that he would actually get bail. 516 00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:16,360 That was a big...blow to the gut. 517 00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:17,680 I couldn't believe it. 518 00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:20,120 My name is Chris Daw, 519 00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:23,160 I'm a barrister and KC, King's Counsel. 520 00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:25,240 But I have a niche area of practice, 521 00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:28,360 which is advising people who have been the victims of crime. 522 00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:32,440 Juliana, I think had found me, 523 00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:36,360 searching and looking for someone who might listen to her story. 524 00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:40,360 It was an appalling breakdown of the criminal justice system, 525 00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:43,360 that that video evidence was available to the police, 526 00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:46,360 available to the prosecution, and available to the courts - 527 00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:49,360 but somehow or other, it didn't make its way through 528 00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:51,600 into the decisions that were made about bail. 529 00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:53,000 And he was released on bail, 530 00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:57,000 even with that crystal-clear evidence of guilt available 531 00:35:57,040 --> 00:35:58,520 to everyone at the beginning. 532 00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:04,560 I was in shock. 533 00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:10,720 So, I moved to an-an apartment that had, like, a concierge 534 00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:12,680 and had CCTV everywhere. 535 00:36:12,720 --> 00:36:14,880 So, I'm just like "I'll be safer here. 536 00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:16,760 "Even though he's going to be on bail, 537 00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:20,080 "he's not allowed to come here. It's going to be fine." 538 00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:23,640 I then realised that he came to my previous address twice. 539 00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:26,800 We reported him for breaching bail. 540 00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:31,800 It's almost post-separation rage. 541 00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:34,440 "You aren't going to get rid of me. 542 00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:36,120 "That's not how this works. 543 00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:39,240 "I'm in control. I am the winner. 544 00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:41,000 "This is my story." 545 00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:44,160 And at this point in time, 546 00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:47,600 his behaviour is just as dangerous, 547 00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:49,960 if not more dangerous than it was before, 548 00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:55,240 because he feels entitled to break boundaries and take control 549 00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:57,040 once again of her life. 550 00:36:57,080 --> 00:37:03,120 It's so scary to think that, even though he had bail conditions, 551 00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:06,440 that he still managed to come to my place. 552 00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:09,040 I don't think he knew at the time that I had moved. 553 00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:13,520 I wouldn't even get out of my house. 554 00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:15,480 I mean, I have a small dog, 555 00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:18,320 and I wouldn't even take him out for walks. 556 00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:19,840 I was terrified. 557 00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:25,600 The only reason he would not go to jail was if he either convinced me 558 00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:30,720 not to report him, or if he did something to me worse, 559 00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:31,880 he could kill me. 560 00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:38,440 I was as appalled as almost any time in my career about 561 00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:40,680 the inaction of the criminal justice system 562 00:37:40,720 --> 00:37:42,560 to protect a vulnerable victim. 563 00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:45,160 It was utterly shocking and appalling, what happened. 564 00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:48,120 This girl has been through a horrific ordeal 565 00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:49,520 up until this point. 566 00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:52,640 She is traumatised by what has happened to her, 567 00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:55,160 and she can't escape him. 568 00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:57,280 Even when she tries, she can't. 569 00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:07,520 Actually, it was a friend who sent me the website, 570 00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:09,640 saying she just put his name online 571 00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:14,280 and found these advertisements where he was offering hypnotherapy. 572 00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:21,000 And with the first session for free being held at his mum's house, 573 00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:25,800 in Ealing - which would also be a breach of his bail conditions. 574 00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:30,560 That combination of someone who has the ability to use hypnotherapy, 575 00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:34,800 or other forms of manipulation, mind manipulation, 576 00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:40,200 coupled with a deep and unhealthy interest in sexual violence - 577 00:38:40,240 --> 00:38:43,600 those two things are incredible alarm bells, 578 00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:44,960 but nobody heard them. 579 00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:47,440 And he was allowed to carry on doing that for month 580 00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:48,960 after month, after month. 581 00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:07,320 This feels really chilling, to... be back here, 582 00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:09,560 and all these memories that are coming back. 583 00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:17,280 The most difficult part of being here was the fact 584 00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:19,840 that Hubert was on bail. 585 00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:23,080 So, he was walking the same hallways as I was. 586 00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:26,680 I was going through security check. 587 00:39:26,720 --> 00:39:28,360 And when I look up, 588 00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:31,920 I see Hubert just turning around, he locked eyes with me. 589 00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:35,400 And that was the most chilling, horrible moment. 590 00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:38,280 And I just looked down, 591 00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:40,040 and I avoided eye contact with him. 592 00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:43,200 It's unbelievable. 593 00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:48,000 I was... 594 00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:52,640 ..in a state of hypervigilance constantly. 595 00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:56,200 If he would go to the bathroom, 596 00:39:56,240 --> 00:39:58,240 if I wanted to go to the bathroom, 597 00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:01,080 if I went out for a cigarette here, he would come after me. 598 00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:04,760 He wouldn't say a word, but he would lock eyes with me. 599 00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:10,960 You can see from his behaviour, it is entitled, it is arrogant. 600 00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:14,000 This says a lot about his - how he sees himself. 601 00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:16,200 He will break rules if he needs to, 602 00:40:16,240 --> 00:40:18,960 because he's special, in his own mind. 603 00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:37,480 I was relieved. 604 00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:41,600 Thank God, finally, someone who sees him for the danger 605 00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:43,680 that he offers to me, and to others. 606 00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:49,440 He didn't express any emotion at the trial. 607 00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:51,360 He didn't express any remorse. 608 00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:53,840 He thought himself above the law, 609 00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:57,840 and he had always been able to talk his way out of things. 610 00:40:57,880 --> 00:41:01,120 And so, it's interesting - in this scenario, 611 00:41:01,160 --> 00:41:02,680 he was not able to do that. 612 00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:09,360 No length of time probably would be acceptable in Juliana's eyes, 613 00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:12,960 but 18 years is a good sentence. 614 00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:16,520 And it just goes to show the gravity of exactly what he did to her. 615 00:41:18,720 --> 00:41:22,760 This is one of the longest sentences that I've ever come across 616 00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:26,560 for a first offender in this area of criminality. 617 00:41:29,240 --> 00:41:31,320 We're motivated to find pleasure, 618 00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:34,120 to find meaning and connection in our lives. 619 00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:37,760 And he was motivated by something completely different - 620 00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:40,400 by power, by control. 621 00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:43,680 I believe that he really wanted to hurt her, 622 00:41:43,720 --> 00:41:47,000 that he really wanted to leave a lasting mark. 623 00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:48,880 He lacks feeling. 624 00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:50,160 He is a monster. 625 00:41:56,280 --> 00:42:00,040 It was testament to her character and her strength of will 626 00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:03,400 that would see her through years and years of trying to bring 627 00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:05,000 this dangerous man to justice. 628 00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:12,440 She's very strong, the way that she took on not just him, 629 00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:17,000 but the system around it. 630 00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:21,120 And now, she's, like, rebuilding her life, 631 00:42:21,160 --> 00:42:26,560 and trying to take that ordeal and moment in her life, 632 00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:30,520 and make it into something productive and good. 633 00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:34,240 And, as I always say, I really admire that woman, 634 00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:37,840 really, not just as a friend, but as a as a person. 635 00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:39,520 As a woman. 636 00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:47,200 I think I was lucky to get out alive. 637 00:42:47,240 --> 00:42:54,200 I was lucky that he wasn't able to manipulate the system 638 00:42:54,240 --> 00:42:57,400 like he's been doing for years. 639 00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:04,400 Preuzeto sa www.titlovi.com 51579

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