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Oh, this is a good question.
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I think a cult film
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is a film that the audiences
find on its deathbed.
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A film that
transcends everything.
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So you got to have
a little bit of mojo.
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There is no shortage
of stupidity.
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- You can't try to do it.
- It just happens by accident.
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You think about it
like a potato.
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- It's like cheese.
- It ages well.
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A potato that has a series
of fishing hooks in it.
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Except for the ones
that get mold.
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When you pick it up,
it is impossible to put it down.
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I had to go find it on VHS
and watch it
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and go, holy cow,
that's amazing.
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The average mainstream movie,
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100,000 will see it one time.
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Profanity, murder,
bullets, wounds.
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This is your own little gem.
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A cult movie, one person
will see the movie 100,000 times
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and they don't get sick of it.
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It never stop showing somewhere.
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It totally works.
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It's just
lightning in a bottle.
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Of all the genres,
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the one genre that
we always thought was kind of...
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the lowbrow genre, but the one
that has lasted the longest
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is the horror movie.
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The lowly horror movie
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has somehow survived
all these years.
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Among the ones that have been
talked about a lot lately
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with the passing
of George Romero
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is the re-creation
of the zombie movie.
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George redefined it
in "Night of the Living Dead,"
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which was a movie that not many
people saw what it was new.
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It's so unlikely.
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I mean, the movie was made for
very little money in Pittsburgh.
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It's in black and white.
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Yeah, that's what made it
seem so creepy.
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It did. It was creepy
and it was real
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and it was newsreel-ish.
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It's like it was something
that was happening right now.
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Because this goes back
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to when all the TVs
were in black and white.
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And it survived all
the bad things that happened,
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such as falling into
the public domain,
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which actually
ended up helping it
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because everybody could see it
and watch it.
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And now it has become
I think a classic,
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but also a true cult movie
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in the sense that you had
to follow its fortunes
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from 1968 all the way till now.
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And it's been
incredibly important
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in terms of the development
of the genre,
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and it's so influential
to so many filmmakers.
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"Night of the Living Dead"
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only garnered any attention
with horror fans
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when they saw it at midnight.
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And those midnight screenings
were amazing
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because of the publicity and
the newspaper coverage they got.
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The killers
are eating the flesh
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of the people they murder.
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- We had no idea.
- We made the film.
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I thought of it as a one-off.
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The cast and crew
were shocked and then applauded.
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There's no film in this world
that affected me as viscerally
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as "Night of the Living Dead,"
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especially when zombies
were pulling viscera
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literally out of human beings.
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And of course it became
one of the ultimate cult hits.
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It had an afterlife
that went on and on and on.
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And the one sequence
in "Night of the Living Dead"
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that got the most attention
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was the little girl
turning on her mother.
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Aah!
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Aah!
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"Night of the Living Dead"
is considered
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one of the most influential
horror films of all time
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because of its rawness.
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It was shot in black and white,
made for $114,000,
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came out of nowhere
from Pittsburgh.
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It was the first modern
zombie film.
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Had we had the money
to shoot in color,
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I might have been tempted
to shoot in color.
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But I'm so glad that we didn't.
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And it was one of the first
films to use graphic gore.
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Well, you know, I was
supposed to do the effects
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in "Night of the Living Dead,"
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but I had enlisted in the Army.
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So I was in Vietnam
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when George made the
"Night of the Living Dead."
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I don't know
who can give you an answer
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about why people love zombies
so much.
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George probably could.
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Everybody that was talking
about "Night of the Living Dead"
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was talking about it
because of its politics,
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largely because of
the African-American lead,
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and, you know, the anger
of the sixties and '68.
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What Romero largely introduced
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was the idea
of complete social breakdown
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and a rampaging plague
that could not be put down.
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And those things,
especially in the 1960s
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when "Night of the Dead"
came out,
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were extremely potent.
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We saw society
crumbling all around us.
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There were people who even saw,
you know,
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the hippie movement and drugs as
being a kind of zombie plague.
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And it also had
a political subtext to it
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that won over
a lot of mainstream critics
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like Rex Reed, for example.
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It dealt in its oblique way
with race relations.
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I'm fighting
for everything up here,
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and the radio and the food is
part of what I'm fighting for.
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Now get the hell
down in the cellar.
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You can be the boss
down there.
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I boss up here.
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I think every African-American
actor in America
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owes Duane Jones
a huge gratitude
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for providing a porthole for us.
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So absolutely Duane was pivotal.
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But even without that subtext,
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nearly 50 years later
the film has an impact.
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The ending
packs a real gut punch.
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It's like the line from
"Night of the Living Dead."
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They are us and we are them.
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But I think they were referring
to the redneck hillbillies
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who turned into,
you know, killers,
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making a sport out of
killing the zombies, you know.
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All right, Vance,
hit him in the head.
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Right between the eyes.
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Good shot.
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Okay, he's dead.
Let's go get him.
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That's another one for...
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Come on, you little bastards!
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What you would think after
"Night of the Living Dead,"
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that it would have
established itself and you wouldn't...
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but, no, you have to
continually reboot the brand.
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And "Dawn of the Dead"
did exactly that.
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For 10 years
I avoided doing another one.
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Immediately after
"Night of the Living Dead"
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became "Night of the Living Dead,"
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which took a while, actually,
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you know, I had lots of calls
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saying,
can you make another one?
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I said, aw, nix.
I don't want to be buttonholed.
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"Dawn of the Dead"
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really was a surprising
and a revelatory movie
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for a lot of us
back in the seventies
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because horror and satire
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were not natural bedfellows
back then.
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We really weren't
used to seeing them combined
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in the way
that George Romero did.
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And I said I got to have
some kind of a political idea.
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What the hell is it?
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Looks like a shopping center.
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And I socially knew the people
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that were developing
a shopping mall.
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During an apocalypse,
where else would you go?
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A mall. Great idea.
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And I went out to visit,
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and the trucks
were just bringing in
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everything that anyone
could ever want.
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I've been thinking.
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Maybe we got
a good thing going here.
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And it was the first time
we had seen anything like this,
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and I said, this is the idea.
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I don't think that anyone else
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has produced or written
or directed zombie films
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with an underlining message.
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Certainly ours was consumerism.
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It's Christmas time
down there, buddy.
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Fat city, brother.
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So he took this idea
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of the most blandly homogenized,
reassuring setting imaginable,
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where people essentially
become zombies,
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become zombie shoppers,
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and he made that satire,
that satirical idea literal
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by having a mall
filled with zombies
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who, in the most amazing scenes,
totter around
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and seem to have
some vague memory
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of their consumerist addiction
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to go alongside
their lust for human flesh.
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"Dawn of the Dead" was
like a three-month Halloween.
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I did the makeup effects,
I played a part,
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and I did the stunts.
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I carried a sleeping bag
around the mall
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and fell asleep under
an escalator, and somebody...
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Tom, we need you to play Blades.
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Tom, what's his face
needs makeup.
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Hey, there's a stunt coming up,
you know, with a truck.
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You want to do it?
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So, I mean, it was the most fun
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you could possibly have,
you know.
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Three months inside of a mall.
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And we had free run
of that mall.
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Say goodbye, creep.
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We shot at night,
and every morning
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elderly people would come
to walk around the mall
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and get their exercise
just before the mall opened.
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So there was a mad rush
for everybody
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to get the crew and cast,
to get everybody out of there.
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Get the zombies
in a certain place,
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get their makeup off,
get them changed,
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and get them out of there.
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And we didn't want to have
an issue with the mall,
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nor did we want to have
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one of the elderly people
in the community turn a corner
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and run smack dab into a zombie
and have a heart attack.
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We didn't want that to happen.
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That was an issue.
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Back then, it was practical.
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Everything you see was happening
right in front of you.
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We had an assembly line.
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So I would make up
the appliance zombies,
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and they would make up
the gray zombies, you know,
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maybe doing plants in there.
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And it was easy.
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Well, the helicopter zombie
in "Dawn of the Dead,"
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that gets applause
in the movie theaters.
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A guy's getting
the top of his head lopped off,
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and people are applauding.
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So I cast his head
and built a dome.
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It is perfectly round.
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In the movie it looks square
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because it was a rainy day
and the hair kinked up.
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It's not supposed to be
a Frankenstein look.
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And the top of his head
was just five or six pieces
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attached with fish line
of varying lengths,
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and we had a guy run
with the fish line,
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which unraveled
the top of his head.
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And we were pumping blood
up through his legs.
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The blades were put in later.
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They were animated in later.
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"Dawn of the Dead"
really had the same situation
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as "Night of the Living Dead."
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Midnight screenings, word-of-mouth,
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newspapers
and monster magazines.
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I was a combat photographer
in Vietnam.
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I saw horrible stuff.
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That's why my stuff
has to be anatomically correct.
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Because if the fake stuff
doesn't give me the same feeling
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I got when I saw the real stuff,
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the fake stuff
isn't good enough.
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That's the great thing
about George.
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As a special effects guy,
he would let be improvise.
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Most of the deaths
in "Dawn of the Dead"
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are things we came up with.
249
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You know, we would go to George
250
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at, you know,
3:00 in the morning.
251
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How about
if we drive a screwdriver
252
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through a zombie's ear?
Okay.
253
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So we're building
retractable screwdrivers
254
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out of soda straws, you know.
255
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I just love George as a director
256
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because he's an editor first.
257
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Very detailed about
what he does, you know.
258
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Many angles, you know.
259
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Because he knows
he's going to sit there
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and put that together
the best way possible later.
261
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It's considered a major
historical accomplishment
262
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in the African-American community
263
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that I survived the first
five minutes of a horror film.
264
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Back in those days,
265
00:11:49,363 --> 00:11:52,573
African-Americans didn't survive
the first five minutes.
266
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Today's filmmakers owe
"Night of the Living Dead"
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so much cred,
especially, of course,
268
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TV shows like "The Walking Dead"
269
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and video games and movies
like "Resident Evil."
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They all owe George Romero
so much
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because he's the one
who established the formula.
272
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- Oh, absolutely.
- Absolutely.
273
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Everybody copies him, you know.
274
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He's the originator,
he's the creator.
275
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I guess he's the person
who set the standard
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for this kind of movie.
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He's the master.
278
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The most loyal of all fans
in genre are the horror fans.
279
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And if they like something
and they embrace George Romero,
280
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and he became an icon
from that till he died.
281
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The cool thing about cult
movies is you can kill the hero.
282
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Oh, no, no, no.
283
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"The Evil Dead?" No.
284
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I think I saw a little bit
of "The Evil Dead,"
285
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but it really, really scared me.
286
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Aah!
287
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The plot of "Evil Dead"
288
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is about an unlucky
quartet of college kids
289
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who go to that remote cabin
in the woods
290
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that hides
the "Book of the Dead,"
291
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and once you read
from the "Book of the Dead,"
292
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it unleashes this unholy army
of dead-ites
293
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that possess
the people in the cabin,
294
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turned friend against friend,
295
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leading to all kinds
of blood, guts,
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and frenetic camerawork
by the incomparable Sam Raimi.
297
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If you could take
a time machine
298
00:13:25,563 --> 00:13:28,566
back to these miserable
13 people,
299
00:13:28,600 --> 00:13:30,326
this cast and crew
locked in a Tennessee cabin,
300
00:13:30,361 --> 00:13:31,845
and say, guys,
it's going to be fine
301
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because "Evil Dead" is going
to become "Evil Dead 2."
302
00:13:34,917 --> 00:13:36,436
And then there's going
to be a third one
303
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and then there's
going to be a remake
304
00:13:37,747 --> 00:13:39,404
and then there's
going to be a musical
305
00:13:39,439 --> 00:13:41,303
and then we're maybe
going to put it on TV
306
00:13:41,337 --> 00:13:43,615
and this is never going to stop,
307
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I think it would have
blown their minds.
308
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Tennessee
had a film commission.
309
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Can you help us find a cabin?
310
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Somebody was killed
at that cabin was the story.
311
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Had no power, no running water,
no electricity.
312
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There was four inches
of cow shit on the floors.
313
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We would take turns sleeping
and doing security at the cabin
314
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because we got some equipment
that was stolen.
315
00:14:01,737 --> 00:14:05,499
Right next to a $20,000 Arriflex
camera was a power saw.
316
00:14:05,534 --> 00:14:07,398
That's what they needed
in Morristown, Tennessee.
317
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I'll take the saw.
318
00:14:08,709 --> 00:14:10,573
"Evil Dead"
became a cult classic
319
00:14:10,608 --> 00:14:13,231
I think largely
based on the reputation,
320
00:14:13,266 --> 00:14:16,372
which was fostered
by no less than Stephen King.
321
00:14:16,407 --> 00:14:20,549
In '83, Stephen King
was Stephen King, you know.
322
00:14:20,583 --> 00:14:22,240
You didn't mess
with Stephen King.
323
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He was the master of horror.
324
00:14:24,139 --> 00:14:25,657
At the quote he said,
was "Evil Dead"
325
00:14:25,692 --> 00:14:29,696
is the most ferociously original
horror film of the year.
326
00:14:29,730 --> 00:14:32,147
And our heads exploded.
We were like, wait a second.
327
00:14:32,181 --> 00:14:33,734
Did Stephen King just say that?
328
00:14:33,769 --> 00:14:35,840
So we used that quote,
and what that did
329
00:14:35,875 --> 00:14:39,154
was it sent a force field
out around us,
330
00:14:39,188 --> 00:14:41,397
and it caused reviewers
to go,
331
00:14:41,432 --> 00:14:44,228
oh, maybe this isn't
a low budget piece of shit.
332
00:14:44,262 --> 00:14:45,677
The film was released
to theaters,
333
00:14:45,712 --> 00:14:48,439
but it really wasn't a big hit
at the time.
334
00:14:48,473 --> 00:14:49,992
It came out during
the eighties horror boom
335
00:14:50,027 --> 00:14:51,476
where most audiences
336
00:14:51,511 --> 00:14:53,789
were just going to see slasher
films during that period,
337
00:14:53,823 --> 00:14:56,274
and the film
was kind of overlooked.
338
00:14:56,309 --> 00:14:57,689
A piece of trivia
about "Evil Dead"
339
00:14:57,724 --> 00:15:00,347
is that you have Joel Coen
of the Coen brothers
340
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editing the film.
341
00:15:01,970 --> 00:15:03,626
And Sam had this sequence
342
00:15:03,661 --> 00:15:05,766
of getting Linda ready
to strap her in.
343
00:15:05,801 --> 00:15:07,665
He's going to hit the chainsaw.
344
00:15:07,699 --> 00:15:11,427
And Joel did all these sharp
cuts and really made it snap
345
00:15:11,462 --> 00:15:14,465
and we put in all these
sound effects in it.
346
00:15:14,499 --> 00:15:17,951
Finally pull the tarp back
and, bam, that saw fires up.
347
00:15:17,986 --> 00:15:21,437
It had a real visceral effect.
It's got balls.
348
00:15:21,472 --> 00:15:22,852
That's a throaty son of a bitch.
349
00:15:22,887 --> 00:15:24,924
It's like a '72 Mercury
or something.
350
00:15:24,958 --> 00:15:28,237
I have to hold the chainsaw
over Betsy Baker's neck.
351
00:15:28,272 --> 00:15:30,584
Well, it's not fake.
We had a debate.
352
00:15:30,619 --> 00:15:34,347
If we turn the blade around
the opposite way,
353
00:15:34,381 --> 00:15:36,314
then maybe it would take longer
to cut into her
354
00:15:36,349 --> 00:15:38,765
if there was a mistake
or a problem.
355
00:15:38,799 --> 00:15:40,974
So we thought, yeah,
that's the safe way to go.
356
00:15:41,009 --> 00:15:44,081
Let's just turn the blade around
and it won't be as sharp.
357
00:15:44,115 --> 00:15:47,049
And I could see Betsy's neck
from where I am,
358
00:15:47,084 --> 00:15:49,155
and her neck is throbbing.
359
00:15:49,189 --> 00:15:51,743
And my blade's
going eee-eee-eee.
360
00:15:51,778 --> 00:15:54,125
You just have to tell yourself,
Betsy, I will not kill you.
361
00:15:54,160 --> 00:15:59,234
But I thought as a result it
made for a good visceral scene.
362
00:15:59,268 --> 00:16:01,753
To me, "Evil Dead"
is just this tribute
363
00:16:01,788 --> 00:16:03,065
to if you don't have the money
364
00:16:03,100 --> 00:16:04,791
and you don't have
the special-effects budget
365
00:16:04,825 --> 00:16:08,691
to make your dream a reality,
you hack it.
366
00:16:08,726 --> 00:16:11,142
You figure out how to do it
based on whatever you have.
367
00:16:11,177 --> 00:16:12,316
The motion he captured
368
00:16:12,350 --> 00:16:14,490
with cameras
running through the woods,
369
00:16:14,525 --> 00:16:17,769
and that this camerawork
just gets popularized
370
00:16:17,804 --> 00:16:20,427
and spread around
from limitation.
371
00:16:20,462 --> 00:16:23,534
Ellen Sandweiss, who plays
my sister in the movie,
372
00:16:23,568 --> 00:16:25,018
she's chased at one point.
373
00:16:25,053 --> 00:16:28,125
She gets, you know, violated
in the woods by these vines.
374
00:16:28,159 --> 00:16:31,231
And she's in her little slippers
and a nighty.
375
00:16:31,266 --> 00:16:34,303
So Ellen is running all
night long through the woods,
376
00:16:34,338 --> 00:16:36,581
and she's just getting cut
to shit.
377
00:16:36,616 --> 00:16:38,066
Rob Tapper, the producer,
looks down.
378
00:16:38,100 --> 00:16:40,792
There's a drop of blood
on the dolly track from Ellen.
379
00:16:40,827 --> 00:16:42,035
And he goes, that's how you know
380
00:16:42,070 --> 00:16:43,347
you're getting
your money's worth.
381
00:16:43,381 --> 00:16:45,694
You see the effect
of "Evil Dead,"
382
00:16:45,728 --> 00:16:48,697
which is considered one of
the most painful, horrible sets
383
00:16:48,731 --> 00:16:50,699
of all time
because Sam Raimi believed
384
00:16:50,733 --> 00:16:52,494
that to get a good performance
from an actor,
385
00:16:52,528 --> 00:16:53,598
you had to torture them.
386
00:16:53,633 --> 00:16:54,910
Like Bruce Campbell
hurt his leg,
387
00:16:54,944 --> 00:16:58,431
and so he starts hitting
his wound with a stick
388
00:16:58,465 --> 00:17:00,329
to get this agony out of him.
389
00:17:00,364 --> 00:17:02,849
We had a sequence where
I've got to shoot out a window.
390
00:17:02,883 --> 00:17:05,714
Typically, of course, you'd
have a fake load in the gun
391
00:17:05,748 --> 00:17:09,166
and then effects guy would put a
charge on a safety glass window,
392
00:17:09,200 --> 00:17:10,684
and it would look fine.
393
00:17:10,719 --> 00:17:12,272
No. Take a shotgun,
let's put a shell in,
394
00:17:12,307 --> 00:17:13,618
you're going to
blow the window out.
395
00:17:13,653 --> 00:17:16,035
And there's a camera guy
right outside there.
396
00:17:16,069 --> 00:17:18,071
Boom. Cut.
397
00:17:18,106 --> 00:17:20,867
Jim, you good?
Yeah, it's okay. It's okay.
398
00:17:20,901 --> 00:17:23,904
But since then, its reputation
has continued to grow.
399
00:17:23,939 --> 00:17:26,735
Even though it's on DVD
and TV constantly,
400
00:17:26,769 --> 00:17:29,427
people still want to seek it out
in the movie theater,
401
00:17:29,462 --> 00:17:30,704
see it on the big screen
402
00:17:30,739 --> 00:17:32,844
for that audience participation experience.
403
00:17:32,879 --> 00:17:34,743
And then after
the Stephen King endorsement,
404
00:17:34,777 --> 00:17:38,160
the "L.A. Times" called it
an instant classic.
405
00:17:38,195 --> 00:17:39,368
That did it.
406
00:17:39,403 --> 00:17:41,267
That made people
look at it differently,
407
00:17:41,301 --> 00:17:43,752
and then the reviews
sort of changed.
408
00:17:43,786 --> 00:17:47,204
There was a reviewer who said
409
00:17:47,238 --> 00:17:49,930
even if you're lopping
your girlfriend's head off
410
00:17:49,965 --> 00:17:51,484
with a shovel,
411
00:17:51,518 --> 00:17:54,452
even that
can be done artistically.
412
00:17:54,487 --> 00:17:56,385
Home video was exploding,
413
00:17:56,420 --> 00:17:58,007
so we hit that
kind of at the right time.
414
00:17:58,042 --> 00:18:00,872
And those are the things that
really, I think, propelled it.
415
00:18:00,907 --> 00:18:03,599
And the fact that Sam Raimi...
I'll go on record.
416
00:18:03,634 --> 00:18:06,947
I feel that he certainly
has genius characteristics.
417
00:18:06,982 --> 00:18:08,880
That's what's exciting to me
about a cult film
418
00:18:08,915 --> 00:18:10,503
is that, you know,
your limitations
419
00:18:10,537 --> 00:18:13,540
become what make you legendary.
420
00:18:13,575 --> 00:18:14,921
The film was banned
421
00:18:14,955 --> 00:18:17,303
in, I don't know,
half a dozen countries.
422
00:18:17,337 --> 00:18:18,718
Germany just un-banned it.
423
00:18:18,752 --> 00:18:21,583
30 years it took those fuckers
to the un-ban it.
424
00:18:21,617 --> 00:18:23,550
Come on, man, give me a break.
425
00:18:29,729 --> 00:18:30,971
"The Devil's Rejects"
in particular
426
00:18:31,006 --> 00:18:32,904
was the best time
I ever had making a movie.
427
00:18:32,939 --> 00:18:35,321
It was an "I love you,
man," moment.
428
00:18:35,355 --> 00:18:36,943
I am the devil,
429
00:18:36,977 --> 00:18:39,911
and I am here
to do the devil's work.
430
00:18:41,154 --> 00:18:43,052
- Aah!
- No!
431
00:18:43,087 --> 00:18:45,400
The plot
of "The Devil's Rejects"
432
00:18:45,434 --> 00:18:48,161
is to kill
everything that moves.
433
00:18:50,232 --> 00:18:51,647
"The Devil's Rejects"
434
00:18:51,682 --> 00:18:55,134
is the sequel
to Rob Zombie's first movie,
435
00:18:55,168 --> 00:18:57,757
"House of 1000 Corpses."
436
00:18:57,791 --> 00:18:59,586
It's three outlaws on the run
437
00:18:59,621 --> 00:19:02,037
being chased
by a crazed sheriff.
438
00:19:02,071 --> 00:19:04,350
It's time for us to do what
the good Lord would refer to
439
00:19:04,384 --> 00:19:05,937
as a cleansing of the wicked.
440
00:19:05,972 --> 00:19:09,044
Captain Spaulding is just
trying to protect what's his.
441
00:19:09,078 --> 00:19:11,529
A little aggressively
from time to time,
442
00:19:11,564 --> 00:19:13,635
but we get there.
443
00:19:13,669 --> 00:19:15,188
Never turn your back
on a fucking clown
444
00:19:15,223 --> 00:19:16,293
when he's talking to you.
445
00:19:16,327 --> 00:19:18,122
Get your fucking hands
off of me.
446
00:19:19,365 --> 00:19:22,816
I see Rob Zombie's
"The Devil's Rejects"
447
00:19:22,851 --> 00:19:24,991
as a cult classic in the making,
you know.
448
00:19:25,025 --> 00:19:27,718
I think it was originally
perceived, you know,
449
00:19:27,752 --> 00:19:30,030
as a really good horror film
by horror fans.
450
00:19:30,065 --> 00:19:33,241
A lot of times cult films
aren't necessarily good films.
451
00:19:33,275 --> 00:19:35,070
That right there
is one sad, pathetic statement
452
00:19:35,104 --> 00:19:36,347
of cinematic affairs.
453
00:19:36,382 --> 00:19:40,144
But there has to be something
in them, a performance.
454
00:19:40,179 --> 00:19:42,871
If you've got a problem
with my timeframe, son,
455
00:19:42,905 --> 00:19:45,287
you best spit it out right now.
456
00:19:45,322 --> 00:19:46,737
Yeah, I got a problem.
457
00:19:46,771 --> 00:19:48,704
I got a big fucking problem, bozo.
458
00:19:48,739 --> 00:19:50,499
Well, make your move, whitey.
459
00:19:50,534 --> 00:19:51,707
There has to be something
460
00:19:51,742 --> 00:19:55,021
that a lot of fans
can hang their hats on
461
00:19:55,055 --> 00:19:57,920
and that they can discuss
and love together.
462
00:19:57,955 --> 00:20:00,716
Fans love the actors
from that movie,
463
00:20:00,751 --> 00:20:02,511
Bill Moseley and Sid Haig,
464
00:20:02,546 --> 00:20:04,479
who are heroes
at horror conventions
465
00:20:04,513 --> 00:20:06,101
all over the country.
466
00:20:06,135 --> 00:20:08,483
I always loved and hated
clowns simultaneously
467
00:20:08,517 --> 00:20:09,725
because, you know,
like Lon Chaney
468
00:20:09,760 --> 00:20:10,933
played clowns a couple times.
469
00:20:10,968 --> 00:20:12,280
I always love those films.
470
00:20:12,314 --> 00:20:14,696
But I remember the opening
of a new McDonald's,
471
00:20:14,730 --> 00:20:16,905
and I'm on my dad's shoulders
or something,
472
00:20:16,939 --> 00:20:18,147
and Ronald McDonald's there.
473
00:20:18,182 --> 00:20:20,080
He was trying like,
hey, Ronald McDonald.
474
00:20:20,115 --> 00:20:22,704
And I'm like not having it.
Why would I?
475
00:20:22,738 --> 00:20:25,569
I mean, it's like
this greasy looking stranger
476
00:20:25,603 --> 00:20:27,087
with this white stuff
on his face.
477
00:20:27,122 --> 00:20:30,021
- What's the matter, kid?
- Don't you like clowns?
478
00:20:30,056 --> 00:20:31,920
- No.
- Why?
479
00:20:31,954 --> 00:20:34,509
Don't we make you laugh?
480
00:20:34,543 --> 00:20:36,511
Aren't we fucking funny?
481
00:20:36,545 --> 00:20:38,513
You best come up with an answer
482
00:20:38,547 --> 00:20:39,583
'cause I'm going
to come back here
483
00:20:39,617 --> 00:20:41,274
and check on you and your mama.
484
00:20:41,309 --> 00:20:44,139
And if you ain't got a reason
why you hate clowns,
485
00:20:44,173 --> 00:20:47,763
I'm going to kill
your whole fucking family.
486
00:20:47,798 --> 00:20:49,351
There's always
a sense of family
487
00:20:49,386 --> 00:20:50,835
when you're making a movie,
488
00:20:50,870 --> 00:20:54,287
but it's always best friends
until the last frame.
489
00:20:54,322 --> 00:20:56,151
So when we shot
"Devil's Rejects,"
490
00:20:56,185 --> 00:20:58,533
that was
a very, very special set
491
00:20:58,567 --> 00:21:01,294
and we had a wonderful time.
492
00:21:01,329 --> 00:21:02,882
What you call me?
493
00:21:02,916 --> 00:21:05,022
Well, if you give me a chance,
494
00:21:05,056 --> 00:21:07,404
I was going to call you
a crazy, pig fucking,
495
00:21:07,438 --> 00:21:09,958
dumb ass,
pussy piece of shit.
496
00:21:09,992 --> 00:21:12,685
Oh, brother, youse a dead man.
497
00:21:16,861 --> 00:21:21,038
Shooting that, there
was a freedom that we felt,
498
00:21:21,072 --> 00:21:26,215
and I think there was an overall
atmosphere created by Rob
499
00:21:26,250 --> 00:21:28,356
that was fantastic.
500
00:21:28,390 --> 00:21:30,979
Are you saying that I would
cut off a chicken's head,
501
00:21:31,013 --> 00:21:35,880
put my dick in it,
fuck it, and go, aah?
502
00:21:35,915 --> 00:21:38,711
You accusing me of fucking
a chicken, motherfucker?
503
00:21:38,745 --> 00:21:39,850
What I didn't want to do
504
00:21:39,884 --> 00:21:41,334
was "House of 1000 Corpses
Part Two."
505
00:21:41,369 --> 00:21:43,681
I had no interest in that.
It could've been a Western.
506
00:21:43,716 --> 00:21:46,166
I could have set it
in 1890 if I wanted to.
507
00:21:46,201 --> 00:21:49,342
I wanted to make something that
was like a postmodern Western.
508
00:21:49,377 --> 00:21:50,723
I'm calling the shots.
509
00:21:50,757 --> 00:21:53,001
Consider me fucking
Willie fucking Wonka.
510
00:21:53,035 --> 00:21:56,245
This is my fucking chocolate
factory, you got it? My factory!
511
00:21:56,280 --> 00:21:58,834
We shot "House of 1000 Corpses"
on 35 millimeter,
512
00:21:58,869 --> 00:22:01,734
which I hated the way it looked.
It looked too clean.
513
00:22:01,768 --> 00:22:03,874
So I shot "Rejects" on super 16
514
00:22:03,908 --> 00:22:05,841
and blew it up to 35
just to help.
515
00:22:05,876 --> 00:22:08,223
He made it look like 35
from the seventies.
516
00:22:08,257 --> 00:22:10,363
An improvised thing
would be Sherry
517
00:22:10,398 --> 00:22:12,710
sticking the ice cream
on Bill Moseley's face.
518
00:22:12,745 --> 00:22:14,712
Sid absolutely improvised.
519
00:22:14,747 --> 00:22:17,266
Tutti fucking fruity
was his improvisation.
520
00:22:17,301 --> 00:22:19,855
I think I'm going to get me
some tutti fucking fruity.
521
00:22:19,890 --> 00:22:22,479
You know, I think
I'm going to get me
522
00:22:22,513 --> 00:22:24,101
some tutti fucking fruity.
523
00:22:24,135 --> 00:22:26,206
- Tutti fucking fruity.
- That sounds good.
524
00:22:26,241 --> 00:22:29,209
- Tutti fucking fruity.
- Shut up.
525
00:22:29,244 --> 00:22:31,660
- Rob fell off the couch.
- Boom, it was in.
526
00:22:31,695 --> 00:22:32,937
That was it.
527
00:22:32,972 --> 00:22:34,663
A lot of the fans
of "Devil's Rejects"
528
00:22:34,698 --> 00:22:36,009
say that that was the moment
529
00:22:36,044 --> 00:22:39,703
when instead of thinking
of the Fireflys and Otis
530
00:22:39,737 --> 00:22:42,119
as like the worst scum
of the earth,
531
00:22:42,153 --> 00:22:44,293
that's when they started
to relate to them.
532
00:22:44,328 --> 00:22:45,778
Even though all three of them
are despicable,
533
00:22:45,812 --> 00:22:47,193
I needed a reason
534
00:22:47,227 --> 00:22:49,989
that somehow the audience
would strangely like them.
535
00:22:50,023 --> 00:22:52,750
And my theory was always
like as long as they're cool.
536
00:22:52,785 --> 00:22:55,028
Cool trumps everything.
537
00:22:55,063 --> 00:22:56,513
Yeah, I liked the ending.
538
00:22:56,547 --> 00:22:58,377
That really worked because
I didn't know if it would.
539
00:22:58,411 --> 00:22:59,550
You know, I told everybody,
540
00:22:59,585 --> 00:23:00,931
oh, yeah, I want to play
the whole ending
541
00:23:00,965 --> 00:23:02,415
to "Free Bird"
for seven minutes.
542
00:23:02,450 --> 00:23:03,934
They're like, oh, boy.
543
00:23:06,833 --> 00:23:10,009
And we were shot
100 times each with rifles,
544
00:23:10,043 --> 00:23:12,874
so the chances of us surviving
are pretty slim.
545
00:23:12,908 --> 00:23:14,151
But Sid pointed out
546
00:23:14,185 --> 00:23:17,361
that the soundtrack
includes beating hearts.
547
00:23:23,471 --> 00:23:25,576
The heartbeat stops.
548
00:23:25,611 --> 00:23:27,544
You know,
I never figured that out,
549
00:23:27,578 --> 00:23:29,442
but, you know, leave it to Sid.
550
00:23:29,477 --> 00:23:31,720
"Devil's Rejects"
will probably be right up there
551
00:23:31,755 --> 00:23:34,758
with "Night of the Living Dead"
and "Halloween," you know,
552
00:23:34,792 --> 00:23:38,140
as the years go on
and as horror fans go back
553
00:23:38,175 --> 00:23:40,280
and rediscover
the films of their youth.
554
00:23:40,315 --> 00:23:43,111
So that cult is going
to continue to grow.
555
00:23:43,145 --> 00:23:44,457
You know, and it's so funny,
556
00:23:44,492 --> 00:23:48,841
because a lot of times
at various fan conventions,
557
00:23:48,875 --> 00:23:50,221
I'll be sitting next to Sid
558
00:23:50,256 --> 00:23:53,259
and someone will come up
and say, you know,
559
00:23:53,293 --> 00:23:55,572
is there going to be a sequel
to "Devil's Rejects?"
560
00:23:55,606 --> 00:23:57,056
And I'll say, Sid,
561
00:23:57,090 --> 00:23:59,161
is there going to be a sequel
to "Devil's Rejects?"
562
00:23:59,196 --> 00:24:01,336
He goes, no.
And I say, why?
563
00:24:01,370 --> 00:24:04,373
And then we count
one, two, three.
564
00:24:04,408 --> 00:24:08,136
And then in unison we say,
because we're fucking dead!
565
00:24:14,038 --> 00:24:15,902
The one that I think
is a midnight movie,
566
00:24:15,937 --> 00:24:17,525
and it did shock me
when I first saw it,
567
00:24:17,559 --> 00:24:18,836
is "The Human Centipede,"
568
00:24:18,871 --> 00:24:22,081
which is about a scientist
that grafts people,
569
00:24:22,115 --> 00:24:24,428
grafts them together
with mouth to anus.
570
00:24:24,463 --> 00:24:26,844
And there's three sequels,
so it is...
571
00:24:26,879 --> 00:24:28,915
- Three sequels.
- A total of four films.
572
00:24:28,950 --> 00:24:30,917
No, I think there's
three altogether.
573
00:24:30,952 --> 00:24:33,368
So it is Lord of the Rims.
It is that, really.
574
00:24:33,402 --> 00:24:36,475
And I saw the first one,
and I couldn't believe...
575
00:24:36,509 --> 00:24:39,892
It is a shocker
and it is well acted.
576
00:24:39,926 --> 00:24:41,307
It has good acting in it.
577
00:24:41,341 --> 00:24:43,896
But I didn't see
the second and third one
578
00:24:43,930 --> 00:24:45,587
because I thought
enough is enough.
579
00:24:45,622 --> 00:24:46,761
But I heard the third one
580
00:24:46,795 --> 00:24:48,383
has like 100 people
anus to mouth.
581
00:24:48,417 --> 00:24:50,316
Here's hoping.
582
00:24:50,350 --> 00:24:51,938
But you're saying
the first one is...
583
00:24:51,973 --> 00:24:54,493
I thought it was pretty good
and it was like, whoa.
584
00:24:54,527 --> 00:24:56,460
100 people?
585
00:24:56,495 --> 00:24:57,392
You better fact check it.
586
00:24:57,426 --> 00:24:58,945
That's probably more assholes
587
00:24:58,980 --> 00:25:00,637
that's been in a single place
since Congress.
588
00:25:00,671 --> 00:25:01,707
Yeah, yeah.
589
00:25:01,741 --> 00:25:03,743
- He sews them together?
- Yes.
590
00:25:03,778 --> 00:25:04,848
What's the purpose?
591
00:25:04,882 --> 00:25:06,470
The purpose I forget.
592
00:25:06,505 --> 00:25:09,162
The purpose was...
593
00:25:09,197 --> 00:25:10,370
Sheer delight, I imagine.
594
00:25:10,405 --> 00:25:12,200
Yeah, yeah,
that's entertainment.
595
00:25:12,234 --> 00:25:13,650
Maybe they'll do that
as a musical.
596
00:25:13,684 --> 00:25:16,169
I guess you couldn't really,
if your mouth is...
597
00:25:16,204 --> 00:25:19,000
A lot of kick steps.
598
00:25:19,034 --> 00:25:20,760
- You could hum.
- Yeah, you could hum.
599
00:25:20,795 --> 00:25:23,349
A hum job. Oh, God.
600
00:25:25,972 --> 00:25:28,285
The plot
of "The Human Centipede"
601
00:25:28,319 --> 00:25:31,322
is probably the most depraved
idea anyone's ever come up with.
602
00:25:31,357 --> 00:25:33,221
It has to do
with a mad scientist
603
00:25:33,255 --> 00:25:35,464
who comes up with
this brilliant idea
604
00:25:35,499 --> 00:25:37,984
to stitch together people
from mouth to anus
605
00:25:38,019 --> 00:25:40,228
to create a human centipede.
606
00:25:40,262 --> 00:25:42,368
You know, it's a
love it/hate it kind of movie.
607
00:25:42,402 --> 00:25:45,164
There's really no middle ground
on "The Human Centipede,"
608
00:25:45,198 --> 00:25:47,166
but I think it's pretty sick
and entertaining.
609
00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:48,408
And it's the kind of film
610
00:25:48,443 --> 00:25:50,514
that seems
to have been engineered
611
00:25:50,549 --> 00:25:53,068
to be a midnight movie,
a cult movie,
612
00:25:53,103 --> 00:25:56,658
and I think in this case
the director scored
613
00:25:56,693 --> 00:25:59,972
and it really is the
quintessential midnight movie.
614
00:26:00,006 --> 00:26:02,802
One night I was watching
television with friends,
615
00:26:02,837 --> 00:26:04,942
and there was
a child molester on,
616
00:26:04,977 --> 00:26:07,324
and he got a very low sentence.
617
00:26:07,358 --> 00:26:10,016
And I thought,
oh, my God, this idiot.
618
00:26:10,051 --> 00:26:15,401
Why don't they sew his mouth to
the anus of a fat truck driver?
619
00:26:15,435 --> 00:26:17,092
That would be
a proper punishment.
620
00:26:17,127 --> 00:26:19,060
And everybody laughed.
Oh, that's horrible.
621
00:26:19,094 --> 00:26:21,234
But the idea
kept lingering in my head
622
00:26:21,269 --> 00:26:24,479
and I thought that
might be a brilliant idea
623
00:26:24,513 --> 00:26:25,445
for a horror film.
624
00:26:27,206 --> 00:26:30,243
And then I Photoshop
my then girlfriend
625
00:26:30,278 --> 00:26:34,627
on her hands and knees
and I tripled the image
626
00:26:34,662 --> 00:26:38,804
and I put them behind,
mouth to anus, the picture,
627
00:26:38,838 --> 00:26:40,978
and I thought
this looks brilliant.
628
00:26:41,013 --> 00:26:44,637
Ingestion by A,
629
00:26:44,672 --> 00:26:52,956
passing through B
to the extraction of C.
630
00:26:52,990 --> 00:26:57,408
As you can imagine, people
thought I was absolutely crazy.
631
00:26:57,443 --> 00:27:00,757
It started, of course,
with the investors.
632
00:27:00,791 --> 00:27:03,725
A human centipede.
633
00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:06,279
When I did a pitch for them,
634
00:27:06,314 --> 00:27:10,007
I had to leave out
the words mouth and anus.
635
00:27:10,042 --> 00:27:11,871
So I told them
it's about a surgeon
636
00:27:11,906 --> 00:27:14,494
who surgically connects people,
637
00:27:14,529 --> 00:27:17,705
and, yeah, they were
quite interested.
638
00:27:17,739 --> 00:27:18,982
Yeah, well, he's English.
639
00:27:19,016 --> 00:27:20,362
Let's try it. Let's do it.
640
00:27:23,503 --> 00:27:25,989
We cast it in New York
with American actresses.
641
00:27:26,023 --> 00:27:28,301
It was very nice.
These pretty girls,
642
00:27:28,336 --> 00:27:31,339
they came in all with makeup,
perfectly dressed.
643
00:27:31,373 --> 00:27:34,031
I was living in New York
and I was 22.
644
00:27:34,066 --> 00:27:35,619
It was my manager at the time
called me
645
00:27:35,654 --> 00:27:38,208
and said, hey,
do you want to audition
646
00:27:38,242 --> 00:27:40,417
for this controversial
European film?
647
00:27:40,451 --> 00:27:43,696
They knew they were casted
for a European horror film,
648
00:27:43,731 --> 00:27:45,353
so they were all excited.
649
00:27:45,387 --> 00:27:49,495
And they sat down
and I slowly talked about
650
00:27:49,529 --> 00:27:53,948
what I was going to do with them
and how it would look.
651
00:27:53,982 --> 00:27:55,156
I knew a couple of the girls,
652
00:27:55,190 --> 00:27:56,605
and they were like,
this is porn.
653
00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:58,711
I'm never doing this.
Like, what's going on?
654
00:27:58,746 --> 00:28:01,127
And they like called
their agents or managers
655
00:28:01,162 --> 00:28:02,646
and walked out.
656
00:28:02,681 --> 00:28:06,098
And I stayed because I'm
a weirdo and I was curious.
657
00:28:06,132 --> 00:28:07,582
And I was like,
this can't be real.
658
00:28:07,616 --> 00:28:11,379
And by default I think I got
the part because I stayed.
659
00:28:12,587 --> 00:28:15,245
What was that?
660
00:28:15,279 --> 00:28:16,867
I have no idea.
661
00:28:16,902 --> 00:28:18,593
When I finally
did get the part,
662
00:28:18,627 --> 00:28:20,526
we had a meeting
and signed contracts,
663
00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:24,910
she handed be a booklet
and she said here's the script,
664
00:28:24,944 --> 00:28:26,394
and it wasn't a script.
665
00:28:26,428 --> 00:28:29,190
But if we don't find a place
in like 10 minutes,
666
00:28:29,224 --> 00:28:30,605
we are running back to this car.
667
00:28:30,639 --> 00:28:33,470
It was a very tiny booklet,
you know,
668
00:28:33,504 --> 00:28:36,715
bound on one side,
and it was just paragraphs
669
00:28:36,749 --> 00:28:40,408
of every scene in the movie
of what was going to happen.
670
00:28:40,442 --> 00:28:42,065
So basically it was an outline,
671
00:28:42,099 --> 00:28:45,240
and then everything
in the movie is improv.
672
00:28:45,275 --> 00:28:48,485
It was a very interesting way
to make a film.
673
00:28:48,519 --> 00:28:51,143
We got a flat tire.
Can we come in?
674
00:28:51,177 --> 00:28:53,283
I was really drawn to the film
675
00:28:53,317 --> 00:28:55,492
because you start off being,
you know,
676
00:28:55,526 --> 00:28:58,288
a girl bopping around Germany.
677
00:28:58,322 --> 00:29:01,084
And then all of a sudden
you become this pet,
678
00:29:01,118 --> 00:29:03,742
this creature,
and not a person anymore
679
00:29:03,776 --> 00:29:07,021
and being treated
basically like an animal.
680
00:29:07,055 --> 00:29:10,024
Bite my boot.
681
00:29:10,058 --> 00:29:11,680
So the defecation scenes
682
00:29:11,715 --> 00:29:14,891
that Tom, you know,
wrote into the films,
683
00:29:14,925 --> 00:29:18,653
basically, you know, he would
give us the direction of just,
684
00:29:18,687 --> 00:29:21,207
picture the nastiest thing
you've ever tasted
685
00:29:21,242 --> 00:29:22,588
and just go from there.
686
00:29:22,622 --> 00:29:24,659
And that's basically
what everybody did.
687
00:29:26,799 --> 00:29:29,733
Yeah!
688
00:29:29,768 --> 00:29:32,632
Feed her! Feed her!
689
00:29:32,667 --> 00:29:36,119
But the one scene in the movie
that was the most grueling
690
00:29:36,153 --> 00:29:38,190
was when we did the staircase,
691
00:29:38,224 --> 00:29:40,606
crawling up the staircase
as the centipede
692
00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:43,643
where we had to stay connected
the entire time.
693
00:29:43,678 --> 00:29:45,818
Eat!
694
00:29:45,853 --> 00:29:48,683
Eat!
695
00:29:48,717 --> 00:29:51,065
Every night after shooting
the centipede,
696
00:29:51,099 --> 00:29:52,652
they would have a masseuse
697
00:29:52,687 --> 00:29:55,207
come to our apartments
that we were living in
698
00:29:55,241 --> 00:29:57,140
and give us like
a full body massage.
699
00:29:57,174 --> 00:29:59,073
Then we would just roll over
and fall asleep
700
00:29:59,107 --> 00:30:00,833
and then do it all the next day.
701
00:30:00,868 --> 00:30:05,320
So they treated us very well,
you know, as a centipede.
702
00:30:05,355 --> 00:30:08,254
I think Tom had the foresight
703
00:30:08,289 --> 00:30:09,877
to know what
it was going to become.
704
00:30:09,911 --> 00:30:12,672
But he honestly was like
the only one, I think,
705
00:30:12,707 --> 00:30:16,469
who really saw that it was
going to become a cult film.
706
00:30:16,504 --> 00:30:19,541
"The Human Centipede"
is a perfect example of a film
707
00:30:19,576 --> 00:30:22,821
that can be discovered streaming
or video-on-demand.
708
00:30:22,855 --> 00:30:26,134
It's got that title that really
seeped into the zeitgeist
709
00:30:26,169 --> 00:30:28,516
that people remember
and they seek out.
710
00:30:28,550 --> 00:30:30,621
Probably because of
mostly it's notoriety,
711
00:30:30,656 --> 00:30:32,934
the film is so extreme
and over-the-top.
712
00:30:32,969 --> 00:30:34,867
There we go.
713
00:30:34,902 --> 00:30:37,663
Yeah! I did it!
714
00:30:37,697 --> 00:30:40,045
It kind of creates
like a beacon
715
00:30:40,079 --> 00:30:42,668
for cult movie aficionados.
716
00:30:42,702 --> 00:30:44,497
Modern technology
really helped it
717
00:30:44,532 --> 00:30:46,154
to become a cult phenomenon,
718
00:30:46,189 --> 00:30:47,707
because on social media
719
00:30:47,742 --> 00:30:50,779
everybody shared the images
from the film.
720
00:30:50,814 --> 00:30:53,713
And people were disgusted and
they sent it to another friend,
721
00:30:53,748 --> 00:30:56,751
so that really helped
get the cult success.
722
00:30:56,785 --> 00:31:02,688
And it was one of the best films
on the VOD IFC ever had.
723
00:31:02,722 --> 00:31:05,518
It's hard to say if it really
deserves to be in that category
724
00:31:05,553 --> 00:31:07,348
of one of the greatest
cult films of all times
725
00:31:07,382 --> 00:31:09,591
because it's not that old.
726
00:31:09,626 --> 00:31:13,872
But I think because of
just how well known it is
727
00:31:13,906 --> 00:31:16,495
and how it's spoofed
on so many things,
728
00:31:16,529 --> 00:31:19,463
it's referenced so many times
in pop culture...
729
00:31:19,498 --> 00:31:22,811
Oh!
730
00:31:22,846 --> 00:31:24,261
Aah!
731
00:31:25,814 --> 00:31:28,645
Tom Six's claim to fame
for this film
732
00:31:28,679 --> 00:31:33,339
is that it's 100% medically
accurate, which is true.
733
00:31:33,374 --> 00:31:36,653
I consulted a doctor
in Holland, a real surgeon,
734
00:31:36,687 --> 00:31:41,071
and he made this very detailed
operation report for me.
735
00:31:41,106 --> 00:31:44,281
And he said I could actually
make a human centipede
736
00:31:44,316 --> 00:31:46,525
in my hospital.
737
00:31:46,559 --> 00:31:49,769
You have to administer
anti-rejection medication
738
00:31:49,804 --> 00:31:54,395
and they need vitamin injections
to keep them healthy.
739
00:31:54,429 --> 00:31:57,846
And you have the problem
of them choking, of course.
740
00:31:57,881 --> 00:32:01,471
They have to eat the shit,
but they don't have to vomit.
741
00:32:01,505 --> 00:32:03,611
That's quite tricky, of course.
742
00:32:03,645 --> 00:32:06,303
But if you get them
enough fluids and vitamins,
743
00:32:06,338 --> 00:32:08,719
they could live
for a long, long time.
744
00:32:08,754 --> 00:32:10,756
I have some funny stories
about fans.
745
00:32:10,790 --> 00:32:13,793
Yeah, people are like obsessed
with me lots of times.
746
00:32:13,828 --> 00:32:17,866
They think you are worse
than Hitler or you're Jesus.
747
00:32:17,901 --> 00:32:21,111
You have girls that connected
like dolls they made,
748
00:32:21,146 --> 00:32:24,390
mouth to anus, little dolls,
and they present it to me.
749
00:32:24,425 --> 00:32:28,153
And a lot of women said,
I want to have your baby.
750
00:32:28,187 --> 00:32:31,018
So it goes very, very far.
751
00:32:31,052 --> 00:32:33,952
It's really incredible to be
a part of something like that
752
00:32:33,986 --> 00:32:36,402
where it just keeps going
and going and going
753
00:32:36,437 --> 00:32:37,714
for years to come.
754
00:32:37,748 --> 00:32:40,406
And I don't expect it
to ever really stop.
755
00:32:43,927 --> 00:32:46,309
Well, I've always loved
horror films.
756
00:32:46,343 --> 00:32:48,173
I was talking to a friend
about the fact
757
00:32:48,207 --> 00:32:50,934
that everyone was making
vampire movies in those days,
758
00:32:50,969 --> 00:32:53,005
and I said why doesn't someone
make a Frankenstein movie.
759
00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:55,180
Because I always liked
Frankenstein movies the best.
760
00:32:55,214 --> 00:32:57,285
And this friend recommended
761
00:32:57,320 --> 00:32:59,149
that I take a look at
the Lovecraft story.
762
00:32:59,184 --> 00:33:02,704
Herbert West brought a lot
of dead people back to life,
763
00:33:02,739 --> 00:33:05,776
and not one of them
showed any appreciation.
764
00:33:05,811 --> 00:33:09,435
"Re-Animator" is a masters
class of film directing.
765
00:33:09,470 --> 00:33:12,162
It's the obsessed doctor
genre film,
766
00:33:12,197 --> 00:33:15,614
and it's the zombie genre film
all melded together.
767
00:33:15,648 --> 00:33:19,411
"Re-Animator" is about this
insane person named Herbert West
768
00:33:19,445 --> 00:33:22,000
who has been working on
reanimating corpses
769
00:33:22,034 --> 00:33:24,968
and is doing so with
the freshest ones possible,
770
00:33:25,003 --> 00:33:28,213
which increasingly become people
that have just died
771
00:33:28,247 --> 00:33:30,042
often because of
his experiments.
772
00:33:30,077 --> 00:33:31,285
Granted, it was an accident,
773
00:33:31,319 --> 00:33:33,597
but this is the freshest body
that we could come across
774
00:33:33,632 --> 00:33:34,909
save for killing one ourselves.
775
00:33:34,943 --> 00:33:36,497
And every moment
that we spend talking about it
776
00:33:36,531 --> 00:33:37,567
costs us results.
777
00:33:37,601 --> 00:33:38,878
Now will you give me a hand?
778
00:33:38,913 --> 00:33:41,433
And so the fantastic element
in the story
779
00:33:41,467 --> 00:33:42,641
was the idea
that there's a serum
780
00:33:42,675 --> 00:33:44,677
that brings the dead
back to life.
781
00:33:44,712 --> 00:33:46,093
So we wanted everything else,
782
00:33:46,127 --> 00:33:50,166
all the medical stuff
to be as accurate as possible.
783
00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:51,236
How can you teach such drivel?
784
00:33:51,270 --> 00:33:52,892
These people are here to learn,
785
00:33:52,927 --> 00:33:54,791
and you're closing their minds
before they even have a chance.
786
00:33:54,825 --> 00:33:56,344
What are you here for,
Mr. West?
787
00:33:56,379 --> 00:33:58,726
You know, you should have
stolen Laura Gruber's ideas.
788
00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:00,728
- That at least you'd have ideas.
- Mr. West!
789
00:34:00,762 --> 00:34:04,145
Dr. Hill
is so pitch perfect evil.
790
00:34:04,180 --> 00:34:07,183
It's going to be a pleasure
to fail you.
791
00:34:07,217 --> 00:34:08,391
And so you hate him
just immediately,
792
00:34:08,425 --> 00:34:09,944
and Herbert West hates him.
793
00:34:09,978 --> 00:34:13,189
And then when Herbert kills him,
literally cuts his head off,
794
00:34:13,223 --> 00:34:15,743
and you're like, great, the bad
guy's gone, and he's not.
795
00:34:15,777 --> 00:34:17,365
Herbert can't help himself
796
00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:19,712
and brings the head
back to life.
797
00:34:21,783 --> 00:34:25,408
Then he's got to walk around
with giant zombie shoulders
798
00:34:25,442 --> 00:34:26,961
so that the effect can work.
799
00:34:26,995 --> 00:34:29,308
"Re-Animator" is a cult classic,
stood the test of time
800
00:34:29,343 --> 00:34:31,103
mostly because of
its sense of humor.
801
00:34:31,138 --> 00:34:32,691
Lovecraft, to his credit,
802
00:34:32,725 --> 00:34:34,002
he wasn't a particularly
funny writer,
803
00:34:34,037 --> 00:34:36,798
but he was writing
what he considered a comedy,
804
00:34:36,833 --> 00:34:38,524
and Stuart Gordon
and Dennis Paoli
805
00:34:38,559 --> 00:34:39,905
kind of brought that to light.
806
00:34:39,939 --> 00:34:42,735
And so the movie "Re-Animator"
is very funny.
807
00:34:42,770 --> 00:34:44,737
You'll never get credit
for my discovery.
808
00:34:44,772 --> 00:34:46,739
Who's going to believe
a talking head?
809
00:34:46,774 --> 00:34:48,534
Get a job in a sideshow.
810
00:34:48,569 --> 00:34:50,053
You know, when we were working
on the movie,
811
00:34:50,088 --> 00:34:51,882
we knew that
we needed to have something
812
00:34:51,917 --> 00:34:54,609
that would set it apart
from all of the other movies.
813
00:34:54,644 --> 00:34:56,024
I have plans.
814
00:34:56,059 --> 00:34:58,682
The scene that everyone
always wants to talk about
815
00:34:58,717 --> 00:35:01,892
is what we always called
the head gives head.
816
00:35:01,927 --> 00:35:05,310
It's with Barbara Crampton,
he picks this beautiful heroine.
817
00:35:05,344 --> 00:35:08,036
She's strapped down
to the table.
818
00:35:08,071 --> 00:35:11,247
The evil doctor, his headless
body is holding his head
819
00:35:11,281 --> 00:35:13,145
and guiding it around the room
820
00:35:13,180 --> 00:35:15,699
and he's guiding it towards the
naked tied lady on the table.
821
00:35:15,734 --> 00:35:19,289
Obviously doing very, you
know, leering things toward her.
822
00:35:19,324 --> 00:35:21,981
And then it's like, well,
now he's going to do the thing
823
00:35:22,016 --> 00:35:24,156
that there's no way
they're going to show you.
824
00:35:24,191 --> 00:35:25,985
You know, it's upsetting that
you have a head giving head,
825
00:35:26,020 --> 00:35:29,334
and it's very...
not for most people.
826
00:35:29,368 --> 00:35:31,991
I love it!
827
00:35:32,026 --> 00:35:33,476
There are so many great scenes
in "Re-Animator."
828
00:35:33,510 --> 00:35:35,029
I think my favorite one
is when
829
00:35:35,063 --> 00:35:37,756
they're bringing the cat
back to life in the basement.
830
00:35:37,790 --> 00:35:40,793
Because this poor little cat
did absolutely nothing wrong,
831
00:35:40,828 --> 00:35:42,485
and then it's just
this kind of like grotty puppet.
832
00:35:42,519 --> 00:35:44,003
It doesn't even look like
a real cat,
833
00:35:44,038 --> 00:35:46,454
but it's just like attached
to Herbert West's back
834
00:35:46,489 --> 00:35:48,076
and he's just like
flailing around.
835
00:35:48,111 --> 00:35:49,285
Get it off of me!
836
00:35:49,319 --> 00:35:51,839
It's a little known fact
that David Gale
837
00:35:51,873 --> 00:35:53,599
was the model
for Dudley Do-Right,
838
00:35:53,634 --> 00:35:55,049
the cartoon character.
839
00:35:55,083 --> 00:35:56,671
I think there is
a train approaching.
840
00:35:56,706 --> 00:35:58,190
He's friends with Jay Ward,
841
00:35:58,225 --> 00:36:03,575
and I think they modeled the
look of the Mountie on David.
842
00:36:03,609 --> 00:36:05,922
We were incredibly naiïve
843
00:36:05,956 --> 00:36:08,511
in that we thought we could
get an R rating for the movie.
844
00:36:08,545 --> 00:36:09,753
It was interesting,
in those days
845
00:36:09,788 --> 00:36:11,238
one of the things
846
00:36:11,272 --> 00:36:13,101
that was sticking
in the backs of our minds
847
00:36:13,136 --> 00:36:15,759
was that another movie
had been released unrated,
848
00:36:15,794 --> 00:36:19,280
and it was, believe it or not,
"Room With a View."
849
00:36:19,315 --> 00:36:20,764
So we were very worried
850
00:36:20,799 --> 00:36:22,835
because we have all these
naked zombies running around.
851
00:36:22,870 --> 00:36:25,735
But as it turned out, there
was so much blood in the film
852
00:36:25,769 --> 00:36:27,081
that it didn't really matter.
853
00:36:27,115 --> 00:36:28,600
They were never going to give us
an R rating
854
00:36:28,634 --> 00:36:30,153
no matter what we did.
855
00:36:30,188 --> 00:36:34,330
H.P. Lovecraft's classic tale
of horror "Re-Animator."
856
00:36:34,364 --> 00:36:37,988
It will scare you to pieces.
857
00:36:38,023 --> 00:36:40,163
And it really found itself
on VHS
858
00:36:40,198 --> 00:36:42,234
as so many horror movies
did in the eighties.
859
00:36:42,269 --> 00:36:44,340
When younger people
are finding horror movies,
860
00:36:44,374 --> 00:36:46,031
that's always one of the ones
everybody says.
861
00:36:46,065 --> 00:36:47,377
You've got to watch "Halloween,"
862
00:36:47,412 --> 00:36:48,654
you've got to watch
"Nightmare on Elm Street,"
863
00:36:48,689 --> 00:36:49,897
you've got to watch "Evil Dead,"
864
00:36:49,931 --> 00:36:51,243
and you've got to watch "Re-Animator."
865
00:36:51,278 --> 00:36:52,727
If you are into gore,
866
00:36:52,762 --> 00:36:54,557
you've got to start with that
867
00:36:54,591 --> 00:36:56,317
and then kind of branch out
from there.
868
00:36:56,352 --> 00:36:57,525
It's very gratifying
869
00:36:57,560 --> 00:36:59,251
that people are still
enjoying the film.
870
00:36:59,286 --> 00:37:01,184
They just put out a new Blu-ray
of the movie,
871
00:37:01,219 --> 00:37:04,670
which has something like
24 hours worth of material,
872
00:37:04,705 --> 00:37:06,085
which I always think
is hilarious
873
00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:08,812
because the movie itself
is less than two hours long.
874
00:37:08,847 --> 00:37:10,366
There is a live stage musical.
875
00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:12,264
Bastards.
876
00:37:12,299 --> 00:37:16,130
There's a comic book series,
there's a board game coming out.
877
00:37:16,164 --> 00:37:19,202
Lovecraft never regarded
the story very highly,
878
00:37:19,237 --> 00:37:21,584
and yet it's become
this property
879
00:37:21,618 --> 00:37:24,690
that has so stood
the test of time.
880
00:37:24,725 --> 00:37:26,796
Because of
the Stuart Gordon film,
881
00:37:26,830 --> 00:37:28,556
you think you know, hey,
I remember "Re-Animator."
882
00:37:28,591 --> 00:37:30,109
And then you go
and watch it again
883
00:37:30,144 --> 00:37:32,146
and it's like, no,
it's funnier than I remember it
884
00:37:32,180 --> 00:37:34,321
or its gorier
than I remember it or whatever.
885
00:37:34,355 --> 00:37:37,634
Or it's exactly as I remember
it, and it's just great.
886
00:37:37,669 --> 00:37:39,981
Now, one other picture
887
00:37:40,016 --> 00:37:42,398
that has come down
through the test of time
888
00:37:42,432 --> 00:37:45,090
is Tobe Hooper's
"Texas Chainsaw Massacre."
889
00:37:45,124 --> 00:37:45,918
Oh, my.
890
00:37:45,953 --> 00:37:47,265
Which, speaking to the idea
891
00:37:47,299 --> 00:37:48,818
of people
who are regional filmmakers.
892
00:37:48,852 --> 00:37:51,096
Oh, that's my number one
of all favorites.
893
00:37:51,130 --> 00:37:53,788
He made this picture
on weekends
894
00:37:53,823 --> 00:37:58,724
with, you know, borrowed
equipment, 16 millimeter.
895
00:37:58,759 --> 00:38:00,864
It had a reputation at the time
896
00:38:00,899 --> 00:38:05,835
of being the grossest,
most horrific, disgusting movie,
897
00:38:05,869 --> 00:38:07,906
which it isn't.
898
00:38:07,940 --> 00:38:11,323
There's very little
actual gore in this movie,
899
00:38:11,358 --> 00:38:13,325
and there's very little
actual real violence.
900
00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:15,051
Almost everything is implied.
901
00:38:15,085 --> 00:38:16,846
- It's all in your imagination.
- It's all situational.
902
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:20,021
And that door slamming,
Leatherface's door.
903
00:38:20,056 --> 00:38:22,196
- And once that door slams...
- Oh, God.
904
00:38:22,230 --> 00:38:24,819
You don't even want to think
about what's going to happen.
905
00:38:24,854 --> 00:38:27,235
You really believe that
there were parts of America
906
00:38:27,270 --> 00:38:29,721
where this was happening.
There are.
907
00:38:29,755 --> 00:38:31,170
- You know what?
- They probably are right now.
908
00:38:31,205 --> 00:38:33,034
That's what I'm saying
909
00:38:33,069 --> 00:38:39,731
is like it does tap into
genuine fears about the other,
910
00:38:39,765 --> 00:38:42,561
other, you know, people
that you don't know.
911
00:38:42,596 --> 00:38:44,183
And the hitchhiker
in that movie.
912
00:38:44,218 --> 00:38:46,047
People always say
what's your type?
913
00:38:46,082 --> 00:38:48,533
I say him.
914
00:38:48,567 --> 00:38:50,397
What happened was true.
915
00:38:50,431 --> 00:38:54,780
The most bizarre and brutal
series of crimes in America.
916
00:38:54,815 --> 00:38:56,057
Before there were cult movies,
917
00:38:56,092 --> 00:38:58,128
"Texas Chainsaw"
was the cult movie.
918
00:38:58,163 --> 00:39:02,892
It gets into your brain
like a million worms.
919
00:39:04,169 --> 00:39:06,482
Cadavers wrapped around gravestones
920
00:39:06,516 --> 00:39:09,450
with these police style
close-ups and photographs.
921
00:39:09,485 --> 00:39:11,210
I went...
922
00:39:12,315 --> 00:39:14,386
I don't know
if I can watch this movie.
923
00:39:14,421 --> 00:39:16,043
This is the opening minute.
924
00:39:16,077 --> 00:39:17,872
The plot
of "Texas Chainsaw Massacre"
925
00:39:17,907 --> 00:39:20,392
is a bunch of kids
get in a van.
926
00:39:20,427 --> 00:39:22,877
They're going to one of
their relatives' places.
927
00:39:22,912 --> 00:39:24,292
It's in Texas.
928
00:39:24,327 --> 00:39:26,294
I didn't want you
to know any of these people
929
00:39:26,329 --> 00:39:31,576
or it would mess up, you know,
that whole documentary feeling.
930
00:39:31,610 --> 00:39:33,025
It's a slow burn beginning.
931
00:39:33,060 --> 00:39:35,545
But then they pick up
that freaky weird dude
932
00:39:35,580 --> 00:39:37,029
and he cuts his hand.
933
00:39:37,064 --> 00:39:38,962
He's obviously demented.
934
00:39:38,997 --> 00:39:41,413
They don't realize it,
but he's part of a family.
935
00:39:41,448 --> 00:39:44,520
It's a nice family if you're
the Manson family, I guess.
936
00:39:44,554 --> 00:39:46,176
I got some good barbecue here.
937
00:39:46,211 --> 00:39:48,972
Why don't you fellas
stick around here a while?
938
00:39:49,007 --> 00:39:51,975
They turn out to be people
who were cannibals.
939
00:39:52,010 --> 00:39:54,633
You could take me to my house.
940
00:39:54,668 --> 00:39:56,048
I live right off this road.
941
00:39:56,083 --> 00:39:57,464
The scene in the van,
942
00:39:57,498 --> 00:40:00,467
we're making a lot of
physical stuff up as we go.
943
00:40:00,501 --> 00:40:03,331
The casting is amazing,
the performances.
944
00:40:03,366 --> 00:40:05,610
Ed Neal, I don't know who won
the Academy award that year,
945
00:40:05,644 --> 00:40:07,197
but they should
just give it to Ed
946
00:40:07,232 --> 00:40:08,751
because it wasn't as interesting
as whatever he was doing.
947
00:40:08,785 --> 00:40:11,063
I mean, and you watch, and you
go are these people even actors?
948
00:40:11,098 --> 00:40:13,583
I don't know. Are they
just weirdos that they cast?
949
00:40:13,618 --> 00:40:18,692
"Texas Chainsaw Massacre"
changed the horror genre.
950
00:40:18,726 --> 00:40:20,797
So putting a mask
on Leatherface
951
00:40:20,832 --> 00:40:23,075
created a new kind of monster.
952
00:40:23,110 --> 00:40:24,767
When we went to do
"Evil Dead,"
953
00:40:24,801 --> 00:40:29,530
we studied the drive-in movies
to see, what are they watching?
954
00:40:29,565 --> 00:40:31,256
For me, it was "Texas Chainsaw."
955
00:40:31,290 --> 00:40:33,120
I remember watching that
in the theater
956
00:40:33,154 --> 00:40:35,122
man, I doubt
we could do as good as that.
957
00:40:35,156 --> 00:40:37,918
Because that scared
the living piss out of me.
958
00:40:37,952 --> 00:40:40,610
"Texas Chainsaw Massacre"
to me is an amazing movie
959
00:40:40,645 --> 00:40:43,199
because there's really
not that much gore in it.
960
00:40:43,233 --> 00:40:44,959
It's just the characters
are terrifying
961
00:40:44,994 --> 00:40:47,134
in a very kind of real...
it's just the acting.
962
00:40:47,168 --> 00:40:48,307
It's scary acting.
963
00:40:48,342 --> 00:40:51,310
If I could wind
the actor up enough
964
00:40:51,345 --> 00:40:56,281
to let all that fear
and terror come out,
965
00:40:56,315 --> 00:40:59,560
that would transcend the screen.
966
00:40:59,595 --> 00:41:06,498
The cinematic experience
and your emotional experience
967
00:41:06,533 --> 00:41:11,503
would create something that
was between you and the screen
968
00:41:11,538 --> 00:41:13,125
and not just on the screen.
969
00:41:13,160 --> 00:41:15,576
So the movie
is very, very low budget.
970
00:41:15,611 --> 00:41:18,372
Shot on super 16 millimeter.
971
00:41:18,406 --> 00:41:20,754
If hell had home movies,
that's what it looks like.
972
00:41:20,788 --> 00:41:22,134
- It looks real.
- It's docu-style.
973
00:41:22,169 --> 00:41:25,137
And also, too, it says
right at the beginning
974
00:41:25,172 --> 00:41:26,553
this is a true story, right?
975
00:41:26,587 --> 00:41:27,554
Which is bullshit.
976
00:41:27,588 --> 00:41:28,796
The fact
in the back of your mind
977
00:41:28,831 --> 00:41:29,797
you're thinking, is this real?
978
00:41:29,832 --> 00:41:30,971
Did this really happen?
979
00:41:31,005 --> 00:41:34,353
It makes it all the more disturbing.
980
00:41:34,388 --> 00:41:39,566
The movie is so good at creating
an unnerving tense atmosphere.
981
00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:42,948
Because the movie also has
a lot of twisted black humor.
982
00:41:42,983 --> 00:41:45,088
It's funny.
It's a funny movie.
983
00:41:45,123 --> 00:41:47,159
Even though it's
the most horrifying experience
984
00:41:47,194 --> 00:41:48,540
you'll ever have.
985
00:41:48,575 --> 00:41:50,300
So they cut her finger
986
00:41:50,335 --> 00:41:52,371
and they stick it
in grandpa's mouth.
987
00:41:52,406 --> 00:41:54,166
And as he sucking the blood
out of her finger,
988
00:41:54,201 --> 00:41:56,099
he's like kneading
like a little kitten
989
00:41:56,134 --> 00:41:57,238
or like a little baby.
990
00:41:57,273 --> 00:41:58,861
It's so twisted, it's funny,
991
00:41:58,895 --> 00:42:00,759
but it's horrifying.
992
00:42:00,794 --> 00:42:03,175
The chainsaw guy's going
to make everything safe.
993
00:42:03,210 --> 00:42:04,901
Here's what you must do
to the chainsaw
994
00:42:04,936 --> 00:42:06,247
in order to prevent
995
00:42:06,282 --> 00:42:08,387
any of the actors
for being harmed at any time.
996
00:42:08,422 --> 00:42:10,976
We'll put like
a little metal plate there
997
00:42:11,011 --> 00:42:13,289
underneath the paint slab.
998
00:42:13,323 --> 00:42:17,465
And then will put some suet meat
on top of the metal plate.
999
00:42:17,500 --> 00:42:21,608
And then the blade... it's still
moving, but no sharp part.
1000
00:42:21,642 --> 00:42:24,507
It'll come down and
the suet meat will pop through
1001
00:42:24,542 --> 00:42:26,233
and it'll be great.
1002
00:42:26,267 --> 00:42:28,994
The heat will transfer...
1003
00:42:29,029 --> 00:42:33,274
through the metal plate
to the tender flesh below.
1004
00:42:33,309 --> 00:42:36,415
Here comes the chainsaw,
the suet meat pops off,
1005
00:42:36,450 --> 00:42:40,143
and Gunnar is screaming
on the ground, going, aah!
1006
00:42:40,178 --> 00:42:42,352
Cut to Jay Parsley
on the other side of the camera,
1007
00:42:42,387 --> 00:42:44,113
going, wow,
Gunnar's doing great.
1008
00:42:44,147 --> 00:42:45,424
The beauty of the film,
1009
00:42:45,459 --> 00:42:47,979
if there is a beauty
to such a disturbing film,
1010
00:42:48,013 --> 00:42:50,809
is that a lot of it's done
through suggestion.
1011
00:42:50,844 --> 00:42:53,571
I've often thought that
"Texas Chainsaw Massacre"
1012
00:42:53,605 --> 00:42:58,092
is one of the most deceptively
scary movies ever made.
1013
00:42:58,127 --> 00:43:00,198
Leatherface puts her on the meat hook,
1014
00:43:00,232 --> 00:43:05,237
and the MPAA,
they were more open then.
1015
00:43:05,272 --> 00:43:06,791
I would make a phone call
and say,
1016
00:43:06,825 --> 00:43:08,793
how can I hang a girl
on a meat hook
1017
00:43:08,827 --> 00:43:11,727
and get a PG rating?
1018
00:43:11,761 --> 00:43:15,247
And they said, well, you can't.
1019
00:43:15,282 --> 00:43:17,387
It's a simple quick edit.
1020
00:43:17,422 --> 00:43:21,357
Show the hook.
She's lifted up.
1021
00:43:21,391 --> 00:43:22,565
Clunk.
1022
00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:23,635
Aah!
1023
00:43:23,670 --> 00:43:25,188
And it pans down her body
1024
00:43:25,223 --> 00:43:29,020
and she's hanging over
an old washtub,
1025
00:43:29,054 --> 00:43:32,126
and the washtub is there
to catch the blood.
1026
00:43:32,161 --> 00:43:33,887
You're aware for an instant
1027
00:43:33,921 --> 00:43:36,199
of blood
coursing onto the ground.
1028
00:43:36,234 --> 00:43:39,858
Many people thought they saw
blood gushing down.
1029
00:43:39,893 --> 00:43:41,549
I think
it was one of those movies
1030
00:43:41,584 --> 00:43:46,485
that began to make explicit
what was only barely implied
1031
00:43:46,520 --> 00:43:48,867
in the movies we were
used to seeing of that time,
1032
00:43:48,902 --> 00:43:50,213
like "Psycho."
1033
00:43:52,422 --> 00:43:56,668
Because I think it is
the greatest modern horror film
1034
00:43:56,703 --> 00:43:58,118
after "Psycho."
1035
00:43:58,152 --> 00:44:00,603
It seemed that
there were more good reviews
1036
00:44:00,638 --> 00:44:04,365
because it was refreshing
at least to the critics.
1037
00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:07,161
It was the grind house movie
that critics recognized
1038
00:44:07,196 --> 00:44:09,681
as being a kind of
a primitive work of art.
1039
00:44:09,716 --> 00:44:13,374
So then Rex Reed saw it
and he loved it.
1040
00:44:13,409 --> 00:44:16,930
And everything just
from that moment changed.
1041
00:44:16,964 --> 00:44:19,829
It became part of its legend
that there was a copy of it
1042
00:44:19,864 --> 00:44:23,315
in the Museum of Modern Art's
permanent collection.
1043
00:44:23,350 --> 00:44:26,836
And it started building
its own cult.
1044
00:44:26,871 --> 00:44:30,357
It's incredible, directors
that I love their work,
1045
00:44:30,391 --> 00:44:34,085
so that I've done something
that they care about.
1046
00:44:34,119 --> 00:44:37,019
The feeling
is kind of overwhelming.
1047
00:44:37,053 --> 00:44:43,059
That people like Wes Craven
and Rob Zombie and Ridley Scott,
1048
00:44:43,094 --> 00:44:45,027
well, in their own words,
1049
00:44:45,061 --> 00:44:47,477
have been influenced
by "Chainsaw."
1050
00:44:47,512 --> 00:44:51,205
I heard that Ridley
has his own 35 millimeter print.
1051
00:44:51,240 --> 00:44:55,693
I know Stanley Kubrick
had his own 35 print.
1052
00:44:55,727 --> 00:44:57,936
I'm deeply honored.
1053
00:44:57,971 --> 00:44:59,489
"Chainsaw" was chosen
1054
00:44:59,524 --> 00:45:01,284
as one of the greatest
cult films of all time
1055
00:45:01,319 --> 00:45:03,424
because it doesn't die,
it doesn't go anywhere.
1056
00:45:03,459 --> 00:45:06,393
Here we are 44 years later.
1057
00:45:06,427 --> 00:45:08,844
We'll step back 44 years in time
1058
00:45:08,878 --> 00:45:12,537
to that magical, magical time
when we made this film.
1059
00:45:12,571 --> 00:45:13,883
Come, come.
1060
00:45:13,918 --> 00:45:17,266
Look at this. Here's
the infamous feather room.
1061
00:45:17,300 --> 00:45:19,371
When you walked into this room,
1062
00:45:19,406 --> 00:45:22,858
these feathers would waft up
around your legs.
1063
00:45:22,892 --> 00:45:24,307
It was so powerful.
1064
00:45:24,342 --> 00:45:26,965
And from the second
you entered the door,
1065
00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:28,242
you were there.
1066
00:45:28,277 --> 00:45:29,899
The minute you are
inside the door two feet,
1067
00:45:29,934 --> 00:45:30,969
you were into character.
1068
00:45:31,004 --> 00:45:32,971
The infamous dinner room.
1069
00:45:33,006 --> 00:45:35,767
Aah!
1070
00:45:35,802 --> 00:45:37,976
This was one of my favorite
places on the set.
1071
00:45:38,011 --> 00:45:39,495
Give me a hand with grandpa.
1072
00:45:39,529 --> 00:45:42,187
Give me a hand with grandpa,
which I think was an ad lib.
1073
00:45:42,222 --> 00:45:44,189
Leatherface appears in the doorway
1074
00:45:44,224 --> 00:45:46,226
and knocks him silly,
1075
00:45:46,260 --> 00:45:49,781
and Bill does that
wonderful thing with his feet.
1076
00:45:49,816 --> 00:45:52,922
Why there's a metal door
in the middle of the house,
1077
00:45:52,957 --> 00:45:56,754
we don't know, but there it is
and it's wonderful.
1078
00:45:58,410 --> 00:46:00,654
It's always fun
coming back here.
1079
00:46:00,688 --> 00:46:03,795
Hearing the voices
of my friends,
1080
00:46:03,830 --> 00:46:07,765
some here still and some gone.
1081
00:46:19,224 --> 00:46:21,709
Science fiction,
it never approached
1082
00:46:21,744 --> 00:46:24,609
the level of literary
science fiction in films.
1083
00:46:24,643 --> 00:46:27,646
Literary science fiction was
always much more intellectual.
1084
00:46:27,681 --> 00:46:31,133
And "Death Race 2000,"
which is a very cartoony movie,
1085
00:46:31,167 --> 00:46:32,824
is also very subversive.
1086
00:46:32,859 --> 00:46:36,759
And it was a big surprise hit.
1087
00:46:36,794 --> 00:46:37,760
It was definitely a hit.
1088
00:46:37,795 --> 00:46:39,244
It put New World Pictures
on the map
1089
00:46:39,279 --> 00:46:41,315
and it really I think
established Paul Bartel
1090
00:46:41,350 --> 00:46:43,524
as a credible filmmaker.
1091
00:46:43,559 --> 00:46:47,149
And I'll be giving you
the blow-by-blow, play-by-play
1092
00:46:47,183 --> 00:46:49,772
when the kings and queens
of the open road
1093
00:46:49,807 --> 00:46:51,636
roar onto the track.
1094
00:46:51,670 --> 00:46:55,088
Do I hear the sound of engines?
1095
00:46:55,122 --> 00:46:56,468
Humanity is still recovering
1096
00:46:56,503 --> 00:46:58,539
from this gigantic
economic catastrophe
1097
00:46:58,574 --> 00:47:02,474
that happened in 1979,
and it's been 21 years later
1098
00:47:02,509 --> 00:47:04,269
and the only way we can think of
to deal with this
1099
00:47:04,304 --> 00:47:06,754
is this transcontinental
road race
1100
00:47:06,789 --> 00:47:09,412
between men with names
like Frankenstein
1101
00:47:09,447 --> 00:47:11,518
and women named Calamity Jane,
1102
00:47:11,552 --> 00:47:14,590
who are going to get points
for mowing down people,
1103
00:47:14,624 --> 00:47:16,834
and that sometimes these people
want to get killed.
1104
00:47:17,973 --> 00:47:21,355
- Aah!
- Oh!
1105
00:47:22,978 --> 00:47:26,395
Oh, why did she do that?
1106
00:47:26,429 --> 00:47:28,776
To show me she loves me.
1107
00:47:28,811 --> 00:47:33,367
The original script was just
a straight racing picture
1108
00:47:33,402 --> 00:47:36,750
with the drivers trying to
knock each other off the road,
1109
00:47:36,784 --> 00:47:39,546
and I felt it needed
something additional.
1110
00:47:39,580 --> 00:47:41,341
And I came up with the idea
1111
00:47:41,375 --> 00:47:45,103
the drivers got points
for killing pedestrians.
1112
00:47:49,970 --> 00:47:52,559
Frankenstein scores!
1113
00:47:52,593 --> 00:47:54,319
And it became a cult classic
1114
00:47:54,354 --> 00:47:59,255
because it was violent
and it had a sense of humor.
1115
00:47:59,290 --> 00:48:03,397
Women are still worth
10 points more than men
1116
00:48:03,432 --> 00:48:04,709
in all age brackets,
1117
00:48:04,743 --> 00:48:08,816
but teenagers now rack up
40 points,
1118
00:48:08,851 --> 00:48:14,339
and toddlers under 12
now rate a big 70 points.
1119
00:48:14,374 --> 00:48:19,966
The big score, anyone,
any sex over 75 years old
1120
00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:23,590
has been upped to 100 points.
1121
00:48:23,624 --> 00:48:26,696
I saw "Death Race 2000"
in the editing room
1122
00:48:26,731 --> 00:48:29,182
with Joe Dante on the moviola.
1123
00:48:29,216 --> 00:48:31,805
And Sylvester Stallone's part,
1124
00:48:31,839 --> 00:48:33,496
he was improvising
a lot of lines
1125
00:48:33,531 --> 00:48:37,086
and he was really, really
funny in it.
1126
00:48:37,121 --> 00:48:38,916
And we kept saying,
who is this guy?
1127
00:48:38,950 --> 00:48:40,158
This guy's great.
1128
00:48:40,193 --> 00:48:42,229
It is the movie went on,
his part got cut down, you know.
1129
00:48:42,264 --> 00:48:43,644
It's a real shame.
1130
00:48:43,679 --> 00:48:45,681
But I always remember
what he calls his girlfriend.
1131
00:48:45,715 --> 00:48:47,648
"You know what you are?
You're a baked potato."
1132
00:48:47,683 --> 00:48:51,583
For me, I think you are
one very large baked potato.
1133
00:48:51,618 --> 00:48:52,999
I don't know,
he was standing there,
1134
00:48:53,033 --> 00:48:54,345
so I started talking to him.
1135
00:48:54,379 --> 00:48:57,072
And I said, you know,
how you doing?
1136
00:48:57,106 --> 00:48:58,832
What's going on, you know?
1137
00:48:58,866 --> 00:49:00,316
And he goes, well,
I'm living in a closet.
1138
00:49:00,351 --> 00:49:01,662
I went, what?
1139
00:49:01,697 --> 00:49:03,837
You're living in a closet?
That's good.
1140
00:49:06,081 --> 00:49:07,427
That was his room.
1141
00:49:07,461 --> 00:49:11,293
And he was writing
a stupid script called "Rocky."
1142
00:49:11,327 --> 00:49:12,742
I felt so bad for him
1143
00:49:12,777 --> 00:49:15,124
because it's so hard
to get a movie on, you know.
1144
00:49:15,159 --> 00:49:16,505
His acting was great,
1145
00:49:16,539 --> 00:49:19,887
but he certainly
couldn't be a script writer.
1146
00:49:19,922 --> 00:49:22,545
"Rocky?"
1147
00:49:27,447 --> 00:49:28,862
I felt that David Carradine
1148
00:49:28,896 --> 00:49:31,969
had the power
to play Frankenstein,
1149
00:49:32,003 --> 00:49:33,108
who was, of course,
1150
00:49:33,142 --> 00:49:37,008
the world's champion
race driver at the time.
1151
00:49:37,043 --> 00:49:40,184
Yet at the same time,
there was a subtlety
1152
00:49:40,218 --> 00:49:42,600
that I saw
in some of his performances.
1153
00:49:42,634 --> 00:49:46,776
What did you expect,
another pretty face?
1154
00:49:46,811 --> 00:49:49,607
Only in a Corman movie
does this happen.
1155
00:49:49,641 --> 00:49:52,851
My character,
it was a female driver,
1156
00:49:52,886 --> 00:49:54,612
which was stupid
because I didn't drive.
1157
00:49:54,646 --> 00:49:56,165
I didn't know how to drive.
I'm from New York.
1158
00:49:56,200 --> 00:49:59,410
I didn't know that Mary
couldn't drive a car.
1159
00:49:59,444 --> 00:50:01,688
- Yeah, they towed me.
- It was so embarrassing.
1160
00:50:01,722 --> 00:50:04,449
What makes "Death Race 2000"
a cult classic
1161
00:50:04,484 --> 00:50:08,039
is the political subversiveness
in the storyline.
1162
00:50:08,074 --> 00:50:12,112
A cult film
is generally a genre film
1163
00:50:12,147 --> 00:50:17,255
that has some element in it
that goes beyond the conventions
1164
00:50:17,290 --> 00:50:20,431
or the limitations
of that genre.
1165
00:50:20,465 --> 00:50:22,778
And I think "Death Race"
did that
1166
00:50:22,812 --> 00:50:27,127
by bringing in these political
and cultural thoughts.
1167
00:50:27,162 --> 00:50:29,095
The transcontinental
road race,
1168
00:50:29,129 --> 00:50:34,721
which upholds the American
tradition of no holds barred.
1169
00:50:34,755 --> 00:50:36,826
"Death Race 2000"
is this movie
1170
00:50:36,861 --> 00:50:38,621
that kind of almost predicts
"The Hunger Games"
1171
00:50:38,656 --> 00:50:40,278
and the "Running Man"
1172
00:50:40,313 --> 00:50:43,074
and these films we're going to
start seeing about reality shows
1173
00:50:43,109 --> 00:50:46,043
where all of America
just wants to watch people die.
1174
00:50:46,077 --> 00:50:49,149
And also has a really demented
black sense of humor
1175
00:50:49,184 --> 00:50:52,325
that Paul Bartel
did such a great job of mining.
1176
00:50:52,359 --> 00:50:54,051
There is no cause for alarm.
1177
00:50:54,085 --> 00:50:56,260
The patient has been
flown in from abroad
1178
00:50:56,294 --> 00:50:58,607
in a state
of suspended animation.
1179
00:50:58,641 --> 00:51:00,022
But Paul is from...
1180
00:51:00,057 --> 00:51:01,989
he's almost from
the theater of the ridiculous.
1181
00:51:02,024 --> 00:51:03,888
Oh, "Death Race 2000"
I saw at the drive-in
1182
00:51:03,922 --> 00:51:05,924
when I was a little kid,
and, you know,
1183
00:51:05,959 --> 00:51:09,790
at the time it was like so funny
and so shocking.
1184
00:51:09,825 --> 00:51:11,585
And it's a movie
that made fun of death,
1185
00:51:11,620 --> 00:51:14,450
which very few movies
even today will do that.
1186
00:51:14,485 --> 00:51:15,969
Or the fact that, you know,
1187
00:51:16,003 --> 00:51:18,558
you're laughing at the fact
that people were dying.
1188
00:51:25,772 --> 00:51:27,394
It's great,
it's really funny,
1189
00:51:27,429 --> 00:51:29,086
but it's also
about killing people.
1190
00:51:29,120 --> 00:51:30,915
I mean,
you can't get around that.
1191
00:51:30,949 --> 00:51:32,365
You can't say this is so funny
1192
00:51:32,399 --> 00:51:34,125
and nobody cares
about killing people.
1193
00:51:34,160 --> 00:51:36,507
No, no, no. They were lined up,
we killed them.
1194
00:51:36,541 --> 00:51:39,234
It was just funny.
1195
00:51:39,268 --> 00:51:43,134
You can't take the killing
of the pedestrians seriously
1196
00:51:43,169 --> 00:51:45,102
unless you're a pedestrian.
1197
00:51:46,517 --> 00:51:49,865
Aah!
1198
00:51:49,899 --> 00:51:54,007
All right, all right,
and yes, sirree!
1199
00:51:58,184 --> 00:52:01,221
The opening, of course,
is very strong.
1200
00:52:01,256 --> 00:52:05,052
And I remember doing it took
the whole day for this one shot,
1201
00:52:05,087 --> 00:52:07,710
which is actually quick
for Kubrick.
1202
00:52:07,745 --> 00:52:09,471
Because that one shot
1203
00:52:09,505 --> 00:52:13,164
is the whole experience encapsulated
1204
00:52:13,199 --> 00:52:14,545
with the eyelash
1205
00:52:14,579 --> 00:52:18,273
and the look
that became the symbol.
1206
00:52:18,307 --> 00:52:21,207
"Clockwork Orange"
is the adventures of a young man
1207
00:52:21,241 --> 00:52:22,380
whose principal interests
1208
00:52:22,415 --> 00:52:24,900
are ultraviolence, rape,
and Beethoven.
1209
00:52:26,902 --> 00:52:30,147
Unlike so many other
cult classics,
1210
00:52:30,181 --> 00:52:33,184
"A Clockwork Orange,"
when it came out was a hit.
1211
00:52:33,219 --> 00:52:34,772
"Clockwork Orange"
was nominated for best picture.
1212
00:52:34,806 --> 00:52:36,118
"Clockwork Orange"
is a Stanley Kubrick film.
1213
00:52:36,153 --> 00:52:37,740
It's one of the greatest films
of all time.
1214
00:52:37,775 --> 00:52:39,190
Even though the movie
was super successful
1215
00:52:39,225 --> 00:52:42,711
when it came out,
it has become this cult film
1216
00:52:42,745 --> 00:52:46,646
partly because I think the movie
still feels so dangerous.
1217
00:52:46,680 --> 00:52:48,993
Malcolm McDowell
really grounds that film
1218
00:52:49,027 --> 00:52:52,583
and gives us someone
to sympathize with
1219
00:52:52,617 --> 00:52:54,171
in a world gone mad.
1220
00:52:56,414 --> 00:52:58,968
He will be
your true Christian,
1221
00:52:59,003 --> 00:53:00,970
ready to turn the other cheek.
1222
00:53:01,005 --> 00:53:04,940
Yeah, I've often thought,
why is it still relevant?
1223
00:53:04,974 --> 00:53:09,324
Young kids
doing drugs, gangs.
1224
00:53:09,358 --> 00:53:10,635
Hello.
1225
00:53:10,670 --> 00:53:13,466
Very frightening,
frightening movie
1226
00:53:13,500 --> 00:53:16,779
and, you know, his sounds
and his music,
1227
00:53:16,814 --> 00:53:19,610
and the sexuality of it.
1228
00:53:20,990 --> 00:53:22,716
And also I remember
when I was young,
1229
00:53:22,751 --> 00:53:26,617
there were stories about it
inciting actual violence.
1230
00:53:26,651 --> 00:53:29,136
Like in England, gangs
were roaming the streets
1231
00:53:29,171 --> 00:53:31,587
like the droogs,
and a homeless man was killed.
1232
00:53:31,622 --> 00:53:33,900
And Stanley Kubrick
actually chose
1233
00:53:33,934 --> 00:53:36,592
to pull it out of circulation
in England.
1234
00:53:36,627 --> 00:53:38,387
Of course, if you get
your life threatened
1235
00:53:38,422 --> 00:53:41,356
and that of your family,
then of course, you know,
1236
00:53:41,390 --> 00:53:44,911
you take advice from the police,
and Stanley did that.
1237
00:53:44,945 --> 00:53:48,052
And the police told him
to withdraw the film.
1238
00:53:48,086 --> 00:53:51,538
And I think these
add to its mythos
1239
00:53:51,573 --> 00:53:55,024
and make it a cult film.
1240
00:53:55,059 --> 00:53:56,233
You know,
if "A Clockwork Orange"
1241
00:53:56,267 --> 00:53:57,406
got banned at the beginning,
1242
00:53:57,441 --> 00:54:00,892
then the audience has to fight
extra hard to find it.
1243
00:54:00,927 --> 00:54:03,170
And that's a brilliant film.
1244
00:54:03,205 --> 00:54:05,794
I mean, there's
just no denying it.
1245
00:54:05,828 --> 00:54:07,451
Malcolm McDowell
is so brilliant
1246
00:54:07,485 --> 00:54:08,452
in "A Clockwork Orange."
1247
00:54:08,486 --> 00:54:11,040
He's scary.
1248
00:54:11,075 --> 00:54:13,146
He's funny. He's twisted.
1249
00:54:13,180 --> 00:54:16,045
You can't keep your eyes off him
on the screen.
1250
00:54:16,080 --> 00:54:19,601
He's the ultimate antihero
because we hate him so much,
1251
00:54:19,635 --> 00:54:21,603
but when he becomes
a political puppet,
1252
00:54:21,637 --> 00:54:23,432
we can't help
but feel sorry for him
1253
00:54:23,467 --> 00:54:27,402
because his right to choose
has been taken away from him.
1254
00:54:27,436 --> 00:54:29,576
So we ultimately side with him
1255
00:54:29,611 --> 00:54:31,751
despite all the heinous things
he does.
1256
00:54:31,785 --> 00:54:34,719
It talks about
a kind of apocalyptic time.
1257
00:54:34,754 --> 00:54:37,722
It certainly talks about
a kind of gang
1258
00:54:37,757 --> 00:54:40,656
and how they try to fix this guy
1259
00:54:40,691 --> 00:54:42,727
and how that sort of
ends up hurting itself.
1260
00:54:42,762 --> 00:54:44,142
But I don't think it's sci-fi.
1261
00:54:44,177 --> 00:54:48,319
I think that's just straight on
very edgy drama.
1262
00:54:48,354 --> 00:54:49,458
We made a black comedy.
1263
00:54:49,493 --> 00:54:52,772
Are you now or have you
ever been a homosexual?
1264
00:54:52,806 --> 00:54:54,463
- No, sir.
- Right.
1265
00:54:54,498 --> 00:54:56,500
Leave it the hell alone
and don't touch it.
1266
00:54:56,534 --> 00:54:58,640
It's a very important
work of art.
1267
00:55:02,264 --> 00:55:05,578
Kubrick really
was able to take advantage
1268
00:55:05,612 --> 00:55:07,683
of the changes
in censorship laws
1269
00:55:07,718 --> 00:55:10,168
that occurred in the late 1960s
1270
00:55:10,203 --> 00:55:13,275
and put images on the screen
that are probably as extreme
1271
00:55:13,310 --> 00:55:16,140
as have ever been committed
to a mainstream film.
1272
00:55:16,174 --> 00:55:20,455
When it came out, nobody could
get past the sort of surface,
1273
00:55:20,489 --> 00:55:22,353
which is the violence.
1274
00:55:22,388 --> 00:55:24,907
Well, you look at the "Singing
In The Rain" scene today,
1275
00:55:24,942 --> 00:55:27,082
and that's an example of a scene
1276
00:55:27,116 --> 00:55:29,567
where you feel like
you could not make a movie
1277
00:55:29,602 --> 00:55:31,328
that had
that kind of scene today.
1278
00:55:31,362 --> 00:55:32,915
"Singing In The Rain"
1279
00:55:32,950 --> 00:55:36,367
came out of absolute
pure necessity
1280
00:55:36,402 --> 00:55:38,231
because we had ground to a halt.
1281
00:55:38,265 --> 00:55:42,477
Creativity just came, bang,
to a stop.
1282
00:55:44,410 --> 00:55:46,135
So we didn't shoot
for five days.
1283
00:55:46,170 --> 00:55:49,000
I mean, unheard of,
never do it today.
1284
00:55:49,035 --> 00:55:50,381
I think on the fifth day,
1285
00:55:50,416 --> 00:55:54,696
he looked down and said to me,
can you dance?
1286
00:55:54,730 --> 00:55:56,387
I said, of course I can.
1287
00:55:56,422 --> 00:55:57,595
I jumped up
1288
00:55:57,630 --> 00:56:01,565
and just instinctively
went into "Singing In The Rain."
1289
00:56:03,567 --> 00:56:04,671
Oh!
1290
00:56:06,432 --> 00:56:07,743
Aah!
1291
00:56:07,778 --> 00:56:09,883
And on the beats,
kicking, whacking.
1292
00:56:14,232 --> 00:56:17,960
And, you know, Kubrick's face
was one of sheer wonderment,
1293
00:56:17,995 --> 00:56:20,860
and he bought the rights
to "Singing In The Rain"
1294
00:56:20,894 --> 00:56:22,275
there and then.
1295
00:56:22,309 --> 00:56:25,243
- Very well, little brother.
- Very well.
1296
00:56:25,278 --> 00:56:27,832
But I did in fact
meet Gene Kelly,
1297
00:56:27,867 --> 00:56:30,352
and I was very excited
to meet him.
1298
00:56:30,387 --> 00:56:33,838
There's a great party in the
flats of Beverly Hills, Malcolm.
1299
00:56:33,873 --> 00:56:35,944
There's going to be
a lot of movie stars,
1300
00:56:35,978 --> 00:56:37,394
you know, like old movie stars.
1301
00:56:37,428 --> 00:56:40,017
Do you want to go?
And I went, hell, yes.
1302
00:56:40,051 --> 00:56:42,226
Oh, my God, that's why I'm here.
1303
00:56:42,260 --> 00:56:44,470
I don't give a shit
about the young ones.
1304
00:56:44,504 --> 00:56:45,919
I want to meet the old ones.
1305
00:56:45,954 --> 00:56:47,921
So we go into the party
and, you know,
1306
00:56:47,956 --> 00:56:51,373
I see a few great
movie stars, you know.
1307
00:56:51,408 --> 00:56:53,651
And he came up and said,
hey, we're in luck.
1308
00:56:53,686 --> 00:56:55,239
Gene Kelly's here.
Do you want...
1309
00:56:55,273 --> 00:56:57,724
I went, oh, yeah,
I'd love to meet him.
1310
00:56:57,759 --> 00:57:01,487
So he goes up. Gene Kelly had
his back to us as we came in.
1311
00:57:01,521 --> 00:57:04,455
He tapped him on the shoulder
and he goes, Gene,
1312
00:57:04,490 --> 00:57:07,113
I just like to introduce you
to Malcolm McDowell.
1313
00:57:07,147 --> 00:57:09,356
And he just looked at me.
1314
00:57:11,048 --> 00:57:13,913
He turned and walked off.
1315
00:57:13,947 --> 00:57:15,224
40 years later, of course,
1316
00:57:15,259 --> 00:57:17,917
I'm telling the story
at the Academy.
1317
00:57:17,951 --> 00:57:22,818
And afterwards, a sweet lady,
an older lady came over
1318
00:57:22,853 --> 00:57:26,063
and said, Malcolm,
I was married to Gene.
1319
00:57:26,097 --> 00:57:28,375
And I went, oh, my God.
Well...
1320
00:57:28,410 --> 00:57:31,793
She goes, oh, he did not...
he didn't hate you.
1321
00:57:31,827 --> 00:57:33,001
It was Stanley.
1322
00:57:33,035 --> 00:57:35,175
And I went, Stanley?
1323
00:57:35,210 --> 00:57:36,349
Why would he hates Stanley?
1324
00:57:36,383 --> 00:57:38,524
She goes, well,
he never paid him.
1325
00:57:40,249 --> 00:57:42,838
And I went,
well, of course he didn't.
1326
00:57:42,873 --> 00:57:46,221
Of course he didn't.
1327
00:57:46,255 --> 00:57:48,430
Well, the whole shoot
was very physical
1328
00:57:48,465 --> 00:57:52,503
and basically I was being
whupped and slapped and punched
1329
00:57:52,538 --> 00:57:54,298
for just under a year.
1330
00:57:54,332 --> 00:57:59,061
And then he's tortured by
the man, by some establishment,
1331
00:57:59,096 --> 00:58:02,064
you know, parent,
parental types.
1332
00:58:02,099 --> 00:58:05,136
But the worst I think was
the scratching of the corneas,
1333
00:58:05,171 --> 00:58:06,413
because those lid locks,
you know,
1334
00:58:06,448 --> 00:58:09,002
they used
in delicate eye operations,
1335
00:58:09,037 --> 00:58:12,661
but normally the patient
is lying on their back,
1336
00:58:12,696 --> 00:58:14,732
not sitting up
in a straightjacket
1337
00:58:14,767 --> 00:58:16,596
watching movies.
1338
00:58:16,631 --> 00:58:18,253
And they kept slipping out,
1339
00:58:18,287 --> 00:58:20,289
but because the eyes
were anesthetized,
1340
00:58:20,324 --> 00:58:25,018
I couldn't feel it until,
you know, the drive home.
1341
00:58:25,053 --> 00:58:26,848
This is for your own good.
1342
00:58:26,882 --> 00:58:29,678
You'll have to bear with us
for a while.
1343
00:58:29,713 --> 00:58:31,818
But it's not fair.
1344
00:58:31,853 --> 00:58:33,993
It's not fair I should feel ill
1345
00:58:34,027 --> 00:58:37,134
when I hear
lovely, lovely Ludwig Van.
1346
00:58:37,168 --> 00:58:39,481
Some people
accused Stanley Kubrick
1347
00:58:39,516 --> 00:58:42,553
of almost endorsing that kind
of violence in the movie,
1348
00:58:42,588 --> 00:58:43,968
reveling in it.
1349
00:58:44,003 --> 00:58:47,420
And ultimately, I think it's
a far more moral film than that.
1350
00:58:47,454 --> 00:58:49,042
But the fact
that he walks that line,
1351
00:58:49,077 --> 00:58:52,459
the fact that
you can almost feel that joy
1352
00:58:52,494 --> 00:58:57,223
that at least the character of
Alex is taking in his violence,
1353
00:58:57,257 --> 00:58:58,880
that's what gives the movie
its edge.
1354
00:58:58,914 --> 00:59:00,329
And I think you'd be pilloried
1355
00:59:00,364 --> 00:59:02,228
if you tried to make a movie
like that today.
1356
00:59:02,262 --> 00:59:05,231
Well, when I saw the film,
I was thrilled with it.
1357
00:59:05,265 --> 00:59:08,924
I mean, how could you not be?
1358
00:59:08,959 --> 00:59:11,306
You know, I gave
the performance of my life
1359
00:59:11,340 --> 00:59:15,103
with a genius director
who was at the top of his game.
1360
00:59:15,137 --> 00:59:17,070
He was 47 years old.
1361
00:59:17,105 --> 00:59:19,038
It's such a unique vision.
1362
00:59:19,072 --> 00:59:21,385
It still feels like
1363
00:59:21,419 --> 00:59:25,113
a cutting edge, dangerous
version of the future,
1364
00:59:25,147 --> 00:59:26,528
and that is entirely due
to the fact
1365
00:59:26,563 --> 00:59:29,945
that Stanley Kubrick
is a filmmaking God.
1366
00:59:29,980 --> 00:59:33,811
I was cured all right.
1367
00:59:33,846 --> 00:59:35,364
"Blade Runner,"
1368
00:59:35,399 --> 00:59:38,367
which was a very expensive
studio picture by Ridley Scott,
1369
00:59:38,402 --> 00:59:41,716
which was maligned
by the critics
1370
00:59:41,750 --> 00:59:44,995
and not enjoyed by the public,
1371
00:59:45,029 --> 00:59:49,344
and yet had such
a strange cachet to it
1372
00:59:49,378 --> 00:59:53,486
that it actually
became fascinating,
1373
00:59:53,520 --> 00:59:54,763
and people revisit it.
1374
00:59:54,798 --> 00:59:56,558
And different cuts
of the picture
1375
00:59:56,593 --> 00:59:58,077
would then come out,
1376
00:59:58,111 --> 01:00:02,322
and the owners discovered
there was actually a chance
1377
01:00:02,357 --> 01:00:05,256
to make some more money
from this picture
1378
01:00:05,291 --> 01:00:06,775
by trying to find
different versions
1379
01:00:06,810 --> 01:00:09,571
that they could keep putting out
and people would re-buy it.
1380
01:00:09,606 --> 01:00:11,159
I would say of the first one, though,
1381
01:00:11,193 --> 01:00:14,749
the director's niece's cut
was my favorite.
1382
01:00:14,783 --> 01:00:15,957
Of all the ones.
1383
01:00:15,991 --> 01:00:17,717
Yeah, because
it was a little shorter,
1384
01:00:17,752 --> 01:00:20,444
but, ooh, so more impactful.
1385
01:00:20,478 --> 01:00:23,654
More human than human
is our motto.
1386
01:00:23,689 --> 01:00:25,276
The reason you picked it
1387
01:00:25,311 --> 01:00:26,657
as the greatest cult film
of all time
1388
01:00:26,692 --> 01:00:29,211
is because it is the
greatest cult film of all time.
1389
01:00:29,246 --> 01:00:31,006
It was not a big hit
when it came out.
1390
01:00:31,041 --> 01:00:32,456
It was misunderstood.
1391
01:00:32,490 --> 01:00:35,252
It probably is
the greatest movie ever made.
1392
01:00:35,286 --> 01:00:36,529
"Blade Runner" is a movie
1393
01:00:36,563 --> 01:00:39,428
deserving of
its exalted cult status.
1394
01:00:39,463 --> 01:00:41,776
There's this interesting
lifecycle to a cult film
1395
01:00:41,810 --> 01:00:44,917
where maybe it starts off
at the bottom and nobody cares,
1396
01:00:44,951 --> 01:00:47,195
and then it rises up in esteem,
1397
01:00:47,229 --> 01:00:48,679
like, say, "Blade Runner,"
1398
01:00:48,714 --> 01:00:50,716
and it becomes like the film
that everybody wants to watch.
1399
01:00:50,750 --> 01:00:53,339
It goes almost from cult film
to masterpiece.
1400
01:00:53,373 --> 01:00:55,755
The real reason for the cult
is that film never went away.
1401
01:00:55,790 --> 01:00:58,447
It just kept building
and building and building.
1402
01:00:58,482 --> 01:01:02,072
But it's among movie fans.
1403
01:01:02,106 --> 01:01:05,351
I still don't think it's a film
for the mainstream audience,
1404
01:01:05,385 --> 01:01:08,665
and I think that's
part of the appeal of it
1405
01:01:08,699 --> 01:01:12,565
is people really take it
as their own.
1406
01:01:12,599 --> 01:01:15,706
People are expecting a high
octane sci-fi action movie
1407
01:01:15,741 --> 01:01:18,813
like the ones that
had come out before then,
1408
01:01:18,847 --> 01:01:21,539
namely Ridley Scott's "Alien"
and "Star Wars"
1409
01:01:21,574 --> 01:01:23,472
and the Superman movie
and on and on it goes.
1410
01:01:23,507 --> 01:01:27,062
So when "Blade Runner" came out,
it's the slow quiet mood piece.
1411
01:01:28,961 --> 01:01:31,929
And it came out in the summer,
and people didn't go to see it.
1412
01:01:31,964 --> 01:01:34,207
Ridley Scott
made this film noir
1413
01:01:34,242 --> 01:01:35,692
about a private detective
1414
01:01:35,726 --> 01:01:39,419
who's hired to terminate
rogue androids.
1415
01:01:39,454 --> 01:01:42,733
- I need the old Blade Runner.
- I need your magic.
1416
01:01:42,768 --> 01:01:43,976
I don't work here anymore.
1417
01:01:44,010 --> 01:01:45,874
And it's about his conscience
1418
01:01:45,909 --> 01:01:48,981
that starts to question whether
he's doing the right thing
1419
01:01:49,015 --> 01:01:50,948
and whether the androids
are more human.
1420
01:01:50,983 --> 01:01:57,334
I've seen things
you people wouldn't believe.
1421
01:01:57,368 --> 01:01:59,750
What is the meaning
of being alive, you know?
1422
01:01:59,785 --> 01:02:02,960
What's the difference of you
being alive and me being alive?
1423
01:02:02,995 --> 01:02:05,135
If I'm a replicant
and you're a human being,
1424
01:02:05,169 --> 01:02:06,792
what's the difference?
1425
01:02:06,826 --> 01:02:09,760
If I still have feelings, you
know, what's the difference?
1426
01:02:09,795 --> 01:02:12,349
Because I was manufactured
or not, you know.
1427
01:02:12,383 --> 01:02:14,282
That was always
kind of the thoughts
1428
01:02:14,316 --> 01:02:16,663
that I thought about
when we were doing the movie.
1429
01:02:16,698 --> 01:02:18,769
What's the difference
between you and me?
1430
01:02:18,804 --> 01:02:20,391
And also people argue
1431
01:02:20,426 --> 01:02:24,326
whether the Harrison Ford
character is a robot himself.
1432
01:02:24,361 --> 01:02:25,707
We don't know.
1433
01:02:25,742 --> 01:02:29,815
And I ask Ridley Scott that,
and he thinks he was.
1434
01:02:29,849 --> 01:02:32,610
And that conflict, because
at the end of the picture,
1435
01:02:32,645 --> 01:02:35,234
he takes a replicant,
which I play,
1436
01:02:35,268 --> 01:02:39,376
off into the, you know,
off into...
1437
01:02:39,410 --> 01:02:40,860
well, it depends
on what version,
1438
01:02:40,895 --> 01:02:42,897
but off into the big blue sky.
1439
01:02:42,931 --> 01:02:45,037
That when they went to do
in the early nineties
1440
01:02:45,071 --> 01:02:46,624
the director's cut,
1441
01:02:46,659 --> 01:02:50,836
they actually restored
earlier versions of the film
1442
01:02:50,870 --> 01:02:53,183
with no happy ending tacked on.
1443
01:02:53,217 --> 01:02:54,356
I love "Blade Runner."
1444
01:02:54,391 --> 01:02:55,668
I've always loved
"Blade Runner."
1445
01:02:55,702 --> 01:02:57,635
But I love it
for different reasons, you know.
1446
01:02:57,670 --> 01:03:02,951
My uncle did the arrangements
to the soundtrack.
1447
01:03:02,986 --> 01:03:04,711
Vangelis wrote it
and Jack Elliott,
1448
01:03:04,746 --> 01:03:06,472
who's my uncle,
did all the music,
1449
01:03:06,506 --> 01:03:08,232
all the orchestrations.
1450
01:03:08,267 --> 01:03:11,304
So I remember going into
the studio late at night
1451
01:03:11,339 --> 01:03:15,446
when you'd hear that,
you know...
1452
01:03:15,481 --> 01:03:17,310
That's Tom Scott
playing that sax,
1453
01:03:17,345 --> 01:03:20,969
romantic, you know, little riff.
1454
01:03:21,004 --> 01:03:23,040
I think there are people
who worked with Ridley Scott
1455
01:03:23,075 --> 01:03:26,112
who might be afraid to work
with him again, you know,
1456
01:03:26,147 --> 01:03:27,769
because he's pretty demanding.
1457
01:03:27,804 --> 01:03:31,497
Although now that he's older,
I think he's quite mellow.
1458
01:03:31,531 --> 01:03:33,637
He was very controlling.
1459
01:03:33,671 --> 01:03:37,986
I mean, I guess that wouldn't
be a surprise, right?
1460
01:03:38,021 --> 01:03:40,230
Very much into every detail.
1461
01:03:40,264 --> 01:03:41,921
Very much an artist.
1462
01:03:41,956 --> 01:03:43,302
I mean, as grueling as it was,
1463
01:03:43,336 --> 01:03:45,891
which it was,
it was also very exciting, too.
1464
01:03:45,925 --> 01:03:48,859
You could tell because you were
looking at these amazing sets
1465
01:03:48,894 --> 01:03:53,484
and you were looking at
all of this care, you know,
1466
01:03:53,519 --> 01:03:56,349
and money and effort, you know,
1467
01:03:56,384 --> 01:04:00,250
to produce something
that all comes together.
1468
01:04:00,284 --> 01:04:03,356
It was like, damn, you know.
1469
01:04:03,391 --> 01:04:06,635
It was like, wow.
This looks amazing, you know.
1470
01:04:06,670 --> 01:04:09,811
I look like an old-fashioned
movie star in this show.
1471
01:04:09,846 --> 01:04:12,883
I almost wished that
Humphrey Bogart was still alive
1472
01:04:12,918 --> 01:04:15,368
so he could've played the part
that Harrison Ford played.
1473
01:04:15,403 --> 01:04:17,543
I mean, the visual design
of "Blade Runner"
1474
01:04:17,577 --> 01:04:20,373
was kind of off the charts
when you really think about it.
1475
01:04:20,408 --> 01:04:22,341
That was not CGI.
1476
01:04:22,375 --> 01:04:24,826
I mean, they had special effects
in it, you know,
1477
01:04:24,861 --> 01:04:27,242
but not the same thing
1478
01:04:27,277 --> 01:04:30,211
in the sense
of what we're seeing today.
1479
01:04:30,245 --> 01:04:32,558
This is kind of old school.
1480
01:04:32,592 --> 01:04:34,836
It's the last
of that industry really.
1481
01:04:34,871 --> 01:04:37,114
"Blade Runner" influenced
so many filmmakers.
1482
01:04:37,149 --> 01:04:38,633
I don't think Luc Besson
1483
01:04:38,667 --> 01:04:40,669
would have a career
if it wasn't for "Blade Runner."
1484
01:04:40,704 --> 01:04:43,914
Every movie of his has something
from Blade Runner in it.
1485
01:04:43,949 --> 01:04:46,296
And we see that in so many
of the science-fiction films
1486
01:04:46,330 --> 01:04:48,298
that have come out since.
1487
01:04:48,332 --> 01:04:50,472
"Minority Report,"
one after the other.
1488
01:04:50,507 --> 01:04:52,681
Working on "Blade Runner"
was an experience
1489
01:04:52,716 --> 01:04:55,546
that I was extremely naiïve
when I walked into.
1490
01:04:55,581 --> 01:04:59,447
I'm referring to the scene
where Deckard pushes Rachael.
1491
01:04:59,481 --> 01:05:02,726
But I do remember feeling
pretty ganged up on that day,
1492
01:05:02,760 --> 01:05:06,247
and I remember
at the end of the day
1493
01:05:06,281 --> 01:05:09,698
just feeling just like beat up
1494
01:05:09,733 --> 01:05:12,149
for a variety
of different reasons.
1495
01:05:12,184 --> 01:05:16,360
One being that Harrison Ford has
a very rough beard, you know,
1496
01:05:16,395 --> 01:05:18,328
and so my face
was just like crccccck.
1497
01:05:18,362 --> 01:05:20,295
And then Harrison,
at the end of the day,
1498
01:05:20,330 --> 01:05:21,710
he looks at me
and he turns around
1499
01:05:21,745 --> 01:05:24,127
and he walks to the corridor
and he moons me.
1500
01:05:24,161 --> 01:05:25,645
He actually moons me.
1501
01:05:25,680 --> 01:05:29,684
And I'm looking at him
like, okay.
1502
01:05:29,718 --> 01:05:33,826
Like, you know,
this was a tough day I guess.
1503
01:05:36,242 --> 01:05:37,450
I kid you not.
1504
01:05:37,485 --> 01:05:39,314
I think it set the tone
1505
01:05:39,349 --> 01:05:42,524
for every science-fiction effort
that came after.
1506
01:05:42,559 --> 01:05:44,112
And there's a lot of that
going on now
1507
01:05:44,147 --> 01:05:47,391
where people are talking
about artificial intelligence
1508
01:05:47,426 --> 01:05:50,498
and cloning
and things like that.
1509
01:05:50,532 --> 01:05:52,845
It was ahead of its time.
1510
01:05:52,879 --> 01:05:54,812
"The Brother
From Another Planet"
1511
01:05:54,847 --> 01:05:55,986
is the only movie
1512
01:05:56,021 --> 01:06:00,818
that I ever got the idea
for the movie from dreams.
1513
01:06:00,853 --> 01:06:02,786
The plot of "Brother
From Another Planet"
1514
01:06:02,820 --> 01:06:06,238
is an escaped slave
from outer space
1515
01:06:06,272 --> 01:06:08,378
crash lands in New York harbor.
1516
01:06:08,412 --> 01:06:10,828
Makes his way to Harlem.
1517
01:06:10,863 --> 01:06:14,142
Immediately realizes,
because even though he's new,
1518
01:06:14,177 --> 01:06:16,662
he can understand
what's going around on him,
1519
01:06:16,696 --> 01:06:18,422
and he, you know,
keeps learning more
1520
01:06:18,457 --> 01:06:21,149
that he'd better assimilate
very quickly.
1521
01:06:21,184 --> 01:06:22,737
And then finding out
1522
01:06:22,771 --> 01:06:25,533
whether he's ever going to be
able to go back home or not.
1523
01:06:25,567 --> 01:06:27,776
Welcome to Babbaland, brother.
1524
01:06:27,811 --> 01:06:31,159
You got that faraway look
in your eye.
1525
01:06:31,194 --> 01:06:32,678
It's funny. The first time
I read the script
1526
01:06:32,712 --> 01:06:34,645
was obviously because
my agent had called me
1527
01:06:34,680 --> 01:06:38,787
and said John was looking
for a kind of Buster Keaton.
1528
01:06:38,822 --> 01:06:41,998
I read the script and realized
what John was doing,
1529
01:06:42,032 --> 01:06:44,897
that he was talking about
looking at Harlem
1530
01:06:44,931 --> 01:06:47,658
from the perspective of someone
who didn't live there
1531
01:06:47,693 --> 01:06:49,384
but looked like
he should belong there.
1532
01:06:49,419 --> 01:06:50,903
And I loved it,
just fell in love with it.
1533
01:06:50,937 --> 01:06:53,526
And the idea that
the character didn't speak
1534
01:06:53,561 --> 01:06:54,872
attracted me even more.
1535
01:06:54,907 --> 01:06:56,909
One of the reasons
for the brother to be mute
1536
01:06:56,943 --> 01:06:59,360
is to draw things out
from other people.
1537
01:06:59,394 --> 01:07:03,778
I wanted to be Ernie Banks.
1538
01:07:03,812 --> 01:07:07,471
Mr. Cub.
1539
01:07:07,506 --> 01:07:12,166
And it never really dawned
on me that he was black.
1540
01:07:12,200 --> 01:07:13,512
David Strathairn and I
1541
01:07:13,546 --> 01:07:16,756
play these kind of
intergalactic bounty hunters.
1542
01:07:16,791 --> 01:07:18,241
Have any of you seen this man?
1543
01:07:18,275 --> 01:07:21,830
We have reason to believe
he's been in here.
1544
01:07:21,865 --> 01:07:24,454
For the movement
of the two men in black,
1545
01:07:24,488 --> 01:07:26,456
I wanted there to be
something off about it.
1546
01:07:26,490 --> 01:07:30,218
And so much of our movement
was done backwards.
1547
01:07:30,253 --> 01:07:33,256
So we actually started
on the stool,
1548
01:07:33,290 --> 01:07:35,982
swiveled, backed out of the bar.
1549
01:07:36,017 --> 01:07:38,054
And because
we were shooting on film,
1550
01:07:38,088 --> 01:07:40,297
we actually had to
turn the camera upside down
1551
01:07:40,332 --> 01:07:42,989
to do that because later
we were going to flip the film.
1552
01:07:43,024 --> 01:07:44,991
That would give you
the reverse effect.
1553
01:07:45,026 --> 01:07:47,615
I think my favorite scene
is the one on the train
1554
01:07:47,649 --> 01:07:49,479
with Fisher Stevens
with the card trick.
1555
01:07:49,513 --> 01:07:51,860
Somebody told John
about the card trick,
1556
01:07:51,895 --> 01:07:53,931
and so John put it in the movie.
1557
01:07:53,966 --> 01:07:55,416
But the idea
that he does this card trick
1558
01:07:55,450 --> 01:07:56,486
about, you know, cards
disappearing and reappearing
1559
01:07:56,520 --> 01:07:57,935
and then says...
1560
01:07:57,970 --> 01:08:00,041
Want to see me make all
the white people disappear?
1561
01:08:00,076 --> 01:08:01,525
Because once we get
to 96th Street,
1562
01:08:01,560 --> 01:08:03,182
most white folks
got off the train.
1563
01:08:03,217 --> 01:08:06,082
See? What did I tell you?
1564
01:08:07,945 --> 01:08:10,948
My favorite in the movie
is the eyeball.
1565
01:08:10,983 --> 01:08:14,780
One of the driving engines
of the screenplay for me
1566
01:08:14,814 --> 01:08:18,059
was the idea of seeing
through somebody else's eyes.
1567
01:08:18,094 --> 01:08:20,303
I mean, the brother literally
takes his eyeball out,
1568
01:08:20,337 --> 01:08:25,066
and then we see what his eyeball
saw while he was somewhere else.
1569
01:08:25,101 --> 01:08:27,379
It's wonderful that John
has the character
1570
01:08:27,413 --> 01:08:28,759
land on Ellis Island.
1571
01:08:28,794 --> 01:08:30,865
Well, where else should he land
as an immigrant?
1572
01:08:30,899 --> 01:08:32,660
It's wonderful that he has me
1573
01:08:32,694 --> 01:08:35,628
go past the statue
that represents freedom,
1574
01:08:35,663 --> 01:08:37,768
and then have me go into Harlem
1575
01:08:37,803 --> 01:08:40,012
and talk about vis-à-vis
whatever I go through,
1576
01:08:40,046 --> 01:08:42,428
the hypocrisy of what goes on
in this country
1577
01:08:42,463 --> 01:08:45,155
as it pertains
to especially people of color.
1578
01:08:45,190 --> 01:08:49,504
The spaceship probably cost us
$100 altogether
1579
01:08:49,539 --> 01:08:51,886
and all the visuals
that we did for it.
1580
01:08:51,920 --> 01:08:56,373
The wide shot
of the arc of the spaceship
1581
01:08:56,408 --> 01:08:57,719
going into the harbor
1582
01:08:57,754 --> 01:09:00,377
was done with construction paper
and a pin
1583
01:09:00,412 --> 01:09:02,828
and me in the sound mix
going chww.
1584
01:09:02,862 --> 01:09:04,554
I always wished...
with the spaceship,
1585
01:09:04,588 --> 01:09:06,003
I always wished
and I never did,
1586
01:09:06,038 --> 01:09:09,145
that I had taken a picture of it
from the outside.
1587
01:09:09,179 --> 01:09:10,422
Because from the outside,
1588
01:09:10,456 --> 01:09:13,218
it look like something that
the Little Rascals had made.
1589
01:09:13,252 --> 01:09:14,529
It was all wood.
1590
01:09:14,564 --> 01:09:16,082
The light that sort of spun
1591
01:09:16,117 --> 01:09:19,016
was literally a tin can
with a light inside.
1592
01:09:19,051 --> 01:09:22,296
I mean, it was all
this kind of very, you know,
1593
01:09:22,330 --> 01:09:23,814
resourceful kinds of ways
1594
01:09:23,849 --> 01:09:26,023
of creating the atmosphere
inside the ship.
1595
01:09:26,058 --> 01:09:28,612
You know, this is not
"Star Wars."
1596
01:09:28,647 --> 01:09:31,028
This is a $1.98
science-fiction movie,
1597
01:09:31,063 --> 01:09:32,927
and it's going to be
about the people you meet,
1598
01:09:32,961 --> 01:09:35,516
not so much about the hardware.
1599
01:09:35,550 --> 01:09:36,586
When the film first came out,
1600
01:09:36,620 --> 01:09:37,828
most people thought
1601
01:09:37,863 --> 01:09:40,797
it was yet another
black exploitation film,
1602
01:09:40,831 --> 01:09:43,317
so it didn't do quite well
right away.
1603
01:09:43,351 --> 01:09:44,904
Remember, we had video stores.
1604
01:09:44,939 --> 01:09:47,735
Then suddenly every doorman,
1605
01:09:47,769 --> 01:09:52,291
every kind of what
Ralph Ellison would say,
1606
01:09:52,326 --> 01:09:53,465
the cog within the machine,
1607
01:09:53,499 --> 01:09:55,018
every black person
inside the machine,
1608
01:09:55,052 --> 01:09:57,779
they had all seen it and they
recognized what the film was.
1609
01:09:57,814 --> 01:10:00,886
So that's where it began to grow
in terms of popularity.
1610
01:10:00,920 --> 01:10:03,406
Movies have a much longer life
than they used to.
1611
01:10:03,440 --> 01:10:06,271
Movies are, you know,
1612
01:10:06,305 --> 01:10:10,033
they only live
when somebody is watching them.
1613
01:10:10,067 --> 01:10:12,242
And so that you hope
that your movies
1614
01:10:12,277 --> 01:10:13,623
have a second and third act
1615
01:10:13,657 --> 01:10:17,247
and that they're available
in some form.
1616
01:10:20,906 --> 01:10:22,563
"Liquid Sky"
is a bitching movie,
1617
01:10:22,597 --> 01:10:25,704
especially if you've tripped
on acid, okay?
1618
01:10:25,738 --> 01:10:27,015
Which I've done a lot of.
1619
01:10:27,050 --> 01:10:32,055
"Liquid Sky"
is about invisible aliens.
1620
01:10:32,089 --> 01:10:34,816
I think they land
on the Empire State building.
1621
01:10:34,851 --> 01:10:37,750
There is some connection
to heroin use,
1622
01:10:37,785 --> 01:10:39,787
and there are people
that are voyeurs
1623
01:10:39,821 --> 01:10:43,446
that sort of spot what's
going on with these aliens.
1624
01:10:43,480 --> 01:10:46,449
It's really hard to summarize.
Let's put it that way.
1625
01:10:53,594 --> 01:10:59,151
"Liquid Sky" is a movie made
for and about people in New York
1626
01:10:59,185 --> 01:11:00,980
in the early eighties
who took a lot of drugs
1627
01:11:01,015 --> 01:11:03,259
and they were in sort of
the art and fashion scene.
1628
01:11:03,293 --> 01:11:07,193
And tiny little aliens
come down, and they kill you
1629
01:11:07,228 --> 01:11:09,920
if you have endorphins
going off in your brain.
1630
01:11:09,955 --> 01:11:12,337
So they start out
with heroin users,
1631
01:11:12,371 --> 01:11:14,718
and then they realize, hey,
people having an orgasm,
1632
01:11:14,753 --> 01:11:15,926
that's way better.
1633
01:11:15,961 --> 01:11:17,134
And so then they kill people
having sex,
1634
01:11:17,169 --> 01:11:18,412
and generally
the people having sex
1635
01:11:18,446 --> 01:11:19,792
are also on some sort of drug.
1636
01:11:19,827 --> 01:11:21,242
And at the same time,
1637
01:11:21,277 --> 01:11:23,209
there's this sort of, you know,
androgynous model
1638
01:11:23,244 --> 01:11:27,904
who is being really aggressively
raped and beaten
1639
01:11:27,938 --> 01:11:29,457
by a lot of people.
1640
01:11:29,492 --> 01:11:31,287
And then she sort of
gets her revenge
1641
01:11:31,321 --> 01:11:33,254
through her weird friendship
with these little aliens.
1642
01:11:33,289 --> 01:11:35,670
I think that's what it's about.
1643
01:11:40,296 --> 01:11:44,783
I don't know what genre
is "Liquid Sky."
1644
01:11:44,817 --> 01:11:49,132
The Berlin Film Festival
had a catalogue made by genres
1645
01:11:49,166 --> 01:11:54,517
and they put "Liquid Sky"
in the catalogue "out of genre."
1646
01:11:54,551 --> 01:11:57,899
It's a mix of a lot of different
genres, and I like it.
1647
01:11:57,934 --> 01:12:01,420
And a lot of films which are
my favorite films are like that.
1648
01:12:01,455 --> 01:12:02,663
They are out of genre.
1649
01:12:02,697 --> 01:12:04,389
I know you care for me.
1650
01:12:04,423 --> 01:12:07,253
And Caroline, she's playing
herself in the film.
1651
01:12:07,288 --> 01:12:08,876
She was a fashion model
1652
01:12:08,910 --> 01:12:11,879
in the most popular
model agency.
1653
01:12:11,913 --> 01:12:14,191
It's very hypnotic,
the movie,
1654
01:12:14,226 --> 01:12:16,884
and it sucks you
into this strange world
1655
01:12:16,918 --> 01:12:19,024
that you've never seen before.
1656
01:12:19,058 --> 01:12:21,992
- Nobody fucks at the club.
- Everybody's gay.
1657
01:12:22,027 --> 01:12:24,201
It was the new wave
of both music and film,
1658
01:12:24,236 --> 01:12:25,962
and you could do stuff
like this.
1659
01:12:25,996 --> 01:12:30,380
And it's kind of up to each
viewer to make sense of it.
1660
01:12:30,415 --> 01:12:31,588
I'm falling asleep.
1661
01:12:31,623 --> 01:12:32,934
I'm tired
and I'm falling asleep
1662
01:12:32,969 --> 01:12:34,453
and you're boring me to death.
1663
01:12:34,488 --> 01:12:37,249
It was mind blowing.
1664
01:12:37,283 --> 01:12:41,287
At the time, I thought
it was just this sci-fi reverie.
1665
01:12:41,322 --> 01:12:43,773
You know, 20 years later
I was thinking about it.
1666
01:12:43,807 --> 01:12:47,811
I thought, oh, it's about the
experience of being on heroin.
1667
01:12:47,846 --> 01:12:51,194
I think I read
in many papers after that,
1668
01:12:51,228 --> 01:12:55,129
in many articles that "Liquid
Sky" was slang for heroin,
1669
01:12:55,163 --> 01:12:57,200
which has obviously never been.
1670
01:12:57,234 --> 01:12:59,098
Maybe it's become
after the film.
1671
01:12:59,133 --> 01:13:00,997
That I don't know.
It's very probable.
1672
01:13:01,031 --> 01:13:02,999
You know, anybody who sets out
to make a cult movie
1673
01:13:03,033 --> 01:13:05,173
is, you know, destined to fail.
1674
01:13:05,208 --> 01:13:07,072
It's never going to actually
reach cult status.
1675
01:13:07,106 --> 01:13:09,315
But I think in this instance
with "Liquid Sky,"
1676
01:13:09,350 --> 01:13:10,593
he sort of was.
1677
01:13:10,627 --> 01:13:13,319
Like he had this one specific
thing that he wanted to do.
1678
01:13:13,354 --> 01:13:16,288
It was for a cult of people,
a specific group of people,
1679
01:13:16,322 --> 01:13:18,255
and yet it has found
sort of acclaim,
1680
01:13:18,290 --> 01:13:19,567
and everybody, you know,
knows about it.
1681
01:13:19,602 --> 01:13:21,017
You see the poster
1682
01:13:21,051 --> 01:13:23,399
or, you know, just the font
of the "Liquid Sky" title,
1683
01:13:23,433 --> 01:13:24,952
you're like,
oh, I know what that is.
1684
01:13:24,986 --> 01:13:27,437
There is no chance
that somebody like me,
1685
01:13:27,472 --> 01:13:29,715
who never made
a commercial successful film,
1686
01:13:29,750 --> 01:13:31,096
can make a film
in Hollywood.
1687
01:13:31,130 --> 01:13:33,236
So I need to make something
very low budget.
1688
01:13:33,270 --> 01:13:35,411
That wasn't the problem
to make low budget.
1689
01:13:35,445 --> 01:13:38,241
The problem was how to make
successful low budget.
1690
01:13:38,275 --> 01:13:40,416
I really didn't know
that it was impossible.
1691
01:13:40,450 --> 01:13:43,591
That's probably why
I managed to do it.
1692
01:13:43,626 --> 01:13:47,284
Unfortunately, I discovered that
it's easier to make a cult film
1693
01:13:47,319 --> 01:13:49,942
than to raise money
for making a cult film.
1694
01:13:49,977 --> 01:13:52,289
Investors don't want the risk.
1695
01:13:52,324 --> 01:13:54,499
I think "Liquid Sky"
has stood the test of time
1696
01:13:54,533 --> 01:13:56,121
in terms of cult status
1697
01:13:56,155 --> 01:13:58,261
because you can't help
but just keep watching it.
1698
01:13:58,295 --> 01:14:00,470
You just sort of get sucked in
and then by the end,
1699
01:14:00,505 --> 01:14:01,644
you're just like, well,
1700
01:14:01,678 --> 01:14:03,853
now who's going to get
turned into aluminum foil?
1701
01:14:03,887 --> 01:14:05,889
I want to know.
1702
01:14:05,924 --> 01:14:08,305
Some people think
it's the best film ever
1703
01:14:08,340 --> 01:14:11,343
and some people think that
it's the worst film ever.
1704
01:14:11,377 --> 01:14:12,689
And I like it.
1705
01:14:12,724 --> 01:14:13,759
You either love
the whole movie
1706
01:14:13,794 --> 01:14:15,174
or you like none of the movie.
1707
01:14:15,209 --> 01:14:18,005
That's what I've decided
just this second.
1708
01:14:27,842 --> 01:14:30,017
He's a rocker...
1709
01:14:30,051 --> 01:14:31,501
- Doctor...
- Don't tug on that.
1710
01:14:31,536 --> 01:14:33,123
You never know
what it might be attached to.
1711
01:14:33,158 --> 01:14:35,298
- Inventor...
- Activate oscillator.
1712
01:14:35,332 --> 01:14:37,473
He's breaking
the sound barrier.
1713
01:14:37,507 --> 01:14:38,991
Philosopher...
1714
01:14:39,026 --> 01:14:41,718
But no matter where you go...
1715
01:14:41,753 --> 01:14:43,893
there you are.
1716
01:14:43,927 --> 01:14:45,066
I said I was conscientious
1717
01:14:45,101 --> 01:14:46,378
in research
for this little interview.
1718
01:14:46,412 --> 01:14:48,242
Because I haven't seen
"Buckaroo Banzai"
1719
01:14:48,276 --> 01:14:52,177
since we did it in,
jeez, '84-ish? '84.
1720
01:14:52,211 --> 01:14:55,249
So that's now
however long it is.
1721
01:14:55,283 --> 01:14:57,941
Yeah, so I saw it again yesterday.
1722
01:14:57,976 --> 01:14:59,356
I went online
1723
01:14:59,391 --> 01:15:01,324
and read a big Wikipedia thing
about the movie, too,
1724
01:15:01,358 --> 01:15:02,118
which you can do.
1725
01:15:02,152 --> 01:15:03,499
Things I've never known.
1726
01:15:03,533 --> 01:15:05,293
So I know more about it now
than I ever knew then.
1727
01:15:05,328 --> 01:15:07,433
What is the plot
of "Buckaroo Banzai?"
1728
01:15:07,468 --> 01:15:11,058
The plot of "Buckaroo Banzai"
is bananas.
1729
01:15:11,092 --> 01:15:12,956
Laugh while you can,
monkey boy.
1730
01:15:12,991 --> 01:15:15,407
Yeah, they're
a bunch of do-gooders
1731
01:15:15,441 --> 01:15:17,789
and a kind of
a Renaissance man of sorts.
1732
01:15:17,823 --> 01:15:19,756
May have
the curved yasargil, please?
1733
01:15:19,791 --> 01:15:21,758
It's not here, Dr. Banzai.
1734
01:15:21,793 --> 01:15:24,036
Uh, let me have
the straight one then.
1735
01:15:24,071 --> 01:15:25,521
First you've got to know
Buckaroo Banzai,
1736
01:15:25,555 --> 01:15:28,075
who is a neuroscientist,
1737
01:15:28,109 --> 01:15:31,906
astrophysicist, rockstar, ninja.
1738
01:15:31,941 --> 01:15:34,806
Biracial,
but played by Peter Weller.
1739
01:15:34,840 --> 01:15:35,910
Government agent.
1740
01:15:35,945 --> 01:15:39,431
And just a general cool guy.
1741
01:15:39,465 --> 01:15:41,847
The most well-known person
in the entire world.
1742
01:15:41,882 --> 01:15:44,470
And has a band,
the Kung Fu Cavaliers,
1743
01:15:44,505 --> 01:15:46,334
who are also the most well-known
people in the world.
1744
01:15:46,369 --> 01:15:51,857
He goes against evildoers,
currently in the shape of aliens
1745
01:15:51,892 --> 01:15:54,273
that he finds
in the eighth dimension.
1746
01:15:54,308 --> 01:15:58,899
Living on a simultaneous
plane of existence with our own.
1747
01:15:58,933 --> 01:16:00,486
Which he breaks through
1748
01:16:00,521 --> 01:16:03,489
by going very fast
and running into a mountain.
1749
01:16:07,597 --> 01:16:09,875
- This is Chase-One.
- We got his tracks.
1750
01:16:09,910 --> 01:16:11,601
They go right up
to a wall of rock.
1751
01:16:11,636 --> 01:16:13,051
Why the eighth dimension?
1752
01:16:13,085 --> 01:16:15,985
Because the fifth, sixth,
and seventh were irrelevant.
1753
01:16:16,019 --> 01:16:19,022
And the fate of the planet
is at stake.
1754
01:16:19,057 --> 01:16:21,335
John Lithgow plays an alien
1755
01:16:21,369 --> 01:16:25,132
who has been in the body
of an Italian Nazi scientist
1756
01:16:25,166 --> 01:16:26,823
since World War II.
1757
01:16:26,858 --> 01:16:30,240
- Jesus Christo!
- Make the ganglia twitch.
1758
01:16:30,275 --> 01:16:31,932
We're home free.
1759
01:16:31,966 --> 01:16:34,659
Jeff Goldblum
plays a brain surgeon
1760
01:16:34,693 --> 01:16:36,177
who wants to be part of the band
1761
01:16:36,212 --> 01:16:40,457
and spends the whole time in
this ridiculous cowboy outfit.
1762
01:16:40,492 --> 01:16:43,322
There's a million characters
in it and they all do stuff.
1763
01:16:43,357 --> 01:16:45,152
Yeah, I don't actually think
1764
01:16:45,186 --> 01:16:47,050
the plot
is all that important to them.
1765
01:16:47,085 --> 01:16:50,675
It came out against "Gremlins"
and "Ghostbusters"
1766
01:16:50,709 --> 01:16:52,055
and what else did you say?
1767
01:16:52,090 --> 01:16:55,058
And "Indiana Jones."
The first "Indiana Jones?"
1768
01:16:55,093 --> 01:16:57,164
Oh, "Temple of Doom."
1769
01:16:57,198 --> 01:16:59,131
Is that why it didn't do well?
1770
01:16:59,166 --> 01:17:01,927
Well, things work out perfectly
one way or another.
1771
01:17:01,962 --> 01:17:04,102
That's my philosophy.
1772
01:17:04,136 --> 01:17:07,761
And it's found the audience
that it's found.
1773
01:17:07,795 --> 01:17:10,280
I think "Buckaroo Banzai"
has become a cult classic
1774
01:17:10,315 --> 01:17:12,489
because it looks like
it should be
1775
01:17:12,524 --> 01:17:14,975
the best comic book movie
you've ever seen.
1776
01:17:15,009 --> 01:17:16,424
It's the latest issue.
1777
01:17:16,459 --> 01:17:18,254
And you watch it and you think
maybe it's your fault
1778
01:17:18,288 --> 01:17:19,807
you don't understand
what's going on.
1779
01:17:19,842 --> 01:17:21,809
And so you're like, well,
I've got to watch it again.
1780
01:17:21,844 --> 01:17:24,053
And from there, you start
1781
01:17:24,087 --> 01:17:27,677
to really like the characters
and the music.
1782
01:17:29,679 --> 01:17:32,613
And the kind of just crazy
qualities of everything.
1783
01:17:32,648 --> 01:17:33,545
What is it?
1784
01:17:33,579 --> 01:17:34,891
And once you see
a movie like that
1785
01:17:34,926 --> 01:17:36,479
like 10 times
1786
01:17:36,513 --> 01:17:38,136
and you still can't really
understand what's going on,
1787
01:17:38,170 --> 01:17:41,173
that's bound for
cult classic-ness at that point.
1788
01:17:41,208 --> 01:17:42,278
I don't think the ambition is
1789
01:17:42,312 --> 01:17:44,004
when you go into a movie
like that,
1790
01:17:44,038 --> 01:17:45,626
hey, I hope this becomes
a cult movie,
1791
01:17:45,661 --> 01:17:49,975
because that means it'll have
a small but devoted following.
1792
01:17:50,010 --> 01:17:52,150
I think they were hoping
for something more.
1793
01:17:52,184 --> 01:17:54,152
- It was like insta
- cult.
1794
01:17:54,186 --> 01:17:57,396
And I believe it has become
an official cult movie
1795
01:17:57,431 --> 01:18:01,159
because I read
like 20 page essays
1796
01:18:01,193 --> 01:18:04,265
about the physics
of "Buckaroo Banzai."
1797
01:18:09,374 --> 01:18:13,240
Favorite scene
in "Buckaroo Banzai."
1798
01:18:13,274 --> 01:18:19,177
Well, like I say,
my own parts I... I...
1799
01:18:19,211 --> 01:18:23,146
Oh, don't you get it?
1800
01:18:23,181 --> 01:18:25,528
I do have a speech
where I like the idea.
1801
01:18:25,562 --> 01:18:27,150
I could probably do this
better now,
1802
01:18:27,185 --> 01:18:28,738
where I go,
wait a minute, wait a minute.
1803
01:18:28,773 --> 01:18:30,602
I figure out...
1804
01:18:30,636 --> 01:18:34,364
1938, "War of the Worlds,"
that fake radio news broadcast
1805
01:18:34,399 --> 01:18:38,196
that got everybody scared
thinking real-life Martians...
1806
01:18:38,230 --> 01:18:43,546
were landing in Grovers Mill,
New Jersey.
1807
01:18:43,580 --> 01:18:47,067
That's kind of a nice idea,
although I could do it better.
1808
01:18:47,101 --> 01:18:48,724
And I had a pair of glasses on
1809
01:18:48,758 --> 01:18:51,105
that I remember having gotten
myself at l.a. Eyeworks.
1810
01:18:51,140 --> 01:18:52,658
Silver-ish.
1811
01:18:52,693 --> 01:18:55,731
But besides that, any scene
with John Lithgow is delightful.
1812
01:18:55,765 --> 01:18:58,734
Shut up, John Bigboote,
you're a coward.
1813
01:18:58,768 --> 01:19:01,564
You are the weakest individual
I ever know.
1814
01:19:01,598 --> 01:19:02,772
And then he turns back around
1815
01:19:02,807 --> 01:19:04,740
and you can see
he's going to laugh,
1816
01:19:04,774 --> 01:19:06,189
and so they have to cut.
1817
01:19:06,224 --> 01:19:07,777
The scene in "Buckaroo Banzai"
1818
01:19:07,812 --> 01:19:11,022
which I have watched with
my sister on the telephone.
1819
01:19:11,056 --> 01:19:12,471
My sister lives in L.A.
1820
01:19:12,506 --> 01:19:15,509
The scene that always makes us
drop the phone receiver
1821
01:19:15,543 --> 01:19:16,890
is when they're in the lab
1822
01:19:16,924 --> 01:19:19,789
and there's this watermelon
just sitting there,
1823
01:19:19,824 --> 01:19:22,896
and Jeff Goldblum kind of says,
what's that?
1824
01:19:22,930 --> 01:19:25,622
And someone else says,
I'll explain it to you later.
1825
01:19:25,657 --> 01:19:29,350
Why is there
a watermelon there?
1826
01:19:29,385 --> 01:19:30,904
I'll tell you later.
1827
01:19:30,938 --> 01:19:36,599
- Hey, what is that...
- what's that watermelon for?
1828
01:19:36,633 --> 01:19:40,120
He goes, I'll tell you later.
1829
01:19:40,154 --> 01:19:42,847
And cut.
Hey, send that to them.
1830
01:19:42,881 --> 01:19:45,781
Tell them that version,
I think I just did it better.
1831
01:19:45,815 --> 01:19:49,129
Reinsert that.
Re-cut that into the movie.
1832
01:19:49,163 --> 01:19:50,682
I recommend it.
1833
01:19:50,716 --> 01:19:54,030
I guess I don't look the same,
but anyway, there you go.
1834
01:19:54,065 --> 01:19:56,999
- That's like the whole movie.
- I'll explain it to you later.
1835
01:19:57,033 --> 01:19:58,103
Just enjoy.
1836
01:19:58,138 --> 01:19:59,725
Gee, I don't know.
1837
01:19:59,760 --> 01:20:02,832
You seem to have a particular
fondness for it maybe yourself,
1838
01:20:02,867 --> 01:20:04,316
and maybe you guys like it.
1839
01:20:04,351 --> 01:20:07,664
You know, I know it qualifies
on several different lists
1840
01:20:07,699 --> 01:20:12,324
as not having done well,
being quirky, being eccentric,
1841
01:20:12,359 --> 01:20:15,569
being unique and unusual
in some ways,
1842
01:20:15,603 --> 01:20:19,642
having something to do with
aliens, space aliens probably,
1843
01:20:19,676 --> 01:20:22,472
and then getting a following,
getting a life,
1844
01:20:22,507 --> 01:20:27,857
and a continual devoted,
even fanatical following.
1845
01:20:27,892 --> 01:20:29,514
That's probably it.
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