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What would happen if the Orcs
captured Frodo and got the ring?
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- Felix.
- They'd have done bad things with it.
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And what sort of bad
things would they have done?
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- They'd have killed Gandalf.
- They'd have thrown him in the fire.
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He can survive fire.
Fire can't get him.
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Sir, sir. They'd have captured the
world and made everyone their slave.
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Now, would it be a good
thing to be a slave of the Orcs?
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- No.
- Why is being made a slave a bad thing?
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Because you don't get no money
and slaves have to work all the time
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and don't get no holidays.
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That's right. Now, what happens
if you have to work all the time
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and don't get any
holidays? Molly.
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- You get tired out.
- You certainly do.
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It means you don't
have any freedom.
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Now, what is freedom? Freya.
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When you can go out to
shops to buy what you want
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and go out to play
when you want.
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That's right. Freedom is when
we can decide what to do or buy,
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where to go and when.
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Freedom is the right to
choose for yourself. Molly.
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Are there slaves now?
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Well, there are different
sorts of slaves in the world.
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You can be a slave to
television, or to work, or to food.
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Are they Orcs, sir?
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Well, they wouldn't like
to be called that, Felix.
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But they can take
away your freedom.
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You be looking at your
worksheets, questions one to five,
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and be going on with the
section about Roman slaves.
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Cuffs on.
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Come on. Your head up.
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Sir Ian, we're about
to see Sir Monty.
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Mmm.
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We'd prefer not to have to remind
him about the criminal court reporter, sir.
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Yes.
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Of course, sir.
If I have to, I will.
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Ok, bye-bye.
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You can tell Sir
Ian that I appreciate
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the court reporter
being posted to Cardiff,
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but I don't want Deed
on my circuit. Not again.
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But we thought you and Mr
Justice Deed were reconciled, sir.
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Oh, there's a rapprochement.
We are brethren, after all.
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But that's as far as it goes.
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Unfortunately, neither the
presider on the northern,
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nor the one on
the western circuit
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wants Sir John
Deed sitting there.
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Well, that's hardly my
problem, Mr James.
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Mr Justice Deed has many
fine qualities, Sir Monty.
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Oh, then I'm surprised you're
having such difficulties placing him.
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Are all the presiders
resisting him?
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Sir Ian thought he'd be
best off back in Sussex
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because of the problems with
one of the circuit judges there.
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Judge Bromford.
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He's had 37 judgements
appealed in the last two years.
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- His cases are piling up.
- Yes.
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Yes, I suppose we could
have the lower judge's cases
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heard by Deed.
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That will put him in his place.
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He could hardly get into trouble
with such uncontroversial cases,
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Sir Monty.
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Look who I found
skulking outside.
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I wasn't skulking,
Vera. I never skulk.
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John. You're coming
back to Sussex.
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Well, I daresay neither of us
is pleased about that, Monty.
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No, perhaps we should
try to put the past behind us.
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Is that possible?
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I've just been looking
through the list.
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I can't see anything that
could be seriously contentious.
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I don't exactly court
contention, you know.
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It seems to find
you nonetheless.
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You know, there are a number
of burglaries you could hear.
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Possession of class-A drugs.
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Domestic violence. There
are a number of those.
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A purple judge could
hear those equally well.
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Yes, but they're
coming your way.
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What are you hearing?
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Oh, attempted
murder and robbery.
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Man's been on the run for years.
Police have only just caught him.
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What about the schoolboy
who raped his teacher?
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- Well...
- Oh, Monty. We're hearing the rape.
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Yes. No, it's not
ready yet, John.
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Well, I have a judicial review
to get out of the way first.
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Unless Vera wants to hear it.
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Anything improved with the list?
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Not unless you think embezzlement's
an improvement, Judge.
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I don't.
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See what you can
come up with, Coop.
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Or I might go back to London.
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- Mrs Mills return my call yet?
- No, not on this phone.
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Hello, this is Jo Mills. Please leave
a message and I'll call you back.
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Jo, this is John. I'm
back in Sussex, and, um...
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It seems rather lonely
without Charlie down here.
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Um, wondering how
the appeal's going.
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I'll talk to you later.
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Denny, I think it went
well for us in there.
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I didn't hear them say, "The
conviction's unsafe, Mr McDowell.
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- "You're free to go."
- Yet.
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Denny, they now know how
corrupt those policemen were.
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Mrs Mills? I'm Kerry
Ramsay. I'm a solicitor.
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Yes. I won't be taking
on Terry Rogers' defence.
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I think your clerk was
hoping to persuade you.
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I told him I'm thinking
of taking a sabbatical.
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Well, yeah, he told me,
to spend some time with
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your adopted son.
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It hasn't got that far yet.
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Well, would you at
least read the papers?
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There hardly seems any
point, as I won't be taking it on.
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The case involves two detectives
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at the heart of the case
you're currently appealing,
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Matthew Stone and Troy Romano.
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It can't. They're retired.
Romano went to prison.
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Yes. Terry Rogers was
arrested 16 years ago.
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He escaped. He'd been on
the run until his arrest at school.
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I'll have a look.
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Okay.
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Michael was a bit upset earlier.
He thought you weren't coming.
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I'm sorry. Something
unexpected came up.
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He's having difficulty
settling down.
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We thought the foster mother
he went to would settle him.
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Yeah. I blame myself. I
shouldn't have tried walking away.
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He'll be troublesome
if you do take him on.
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I'll get him.
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Hello, Michael. Sorry I'm
late. I had some urgent work.
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I always take on far
too much. Bet you don't.
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I'll bet you do everything
that you plan to do.
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Adults are so stupid.
We always try...
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It's all right.
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Would you like to
go out for some tea?
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We could go out. Your
house mother said that we...
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Look, she's not my
mother! My mum's dead!
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No, it's all right, it's
all right, it's all right.
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It's all right. It's all
right. It's all right.
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If you take Michael
on, it won't be easy.
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He's got some serious
emotional problems.
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Yes. The biggest of them seems
to be his not having a mother.
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Mrs Tredaway, can you even imagine
what that must be like for an 8-year-old?
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I lost my mother at nine.
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I'm sorry.
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- Did you have a father?
- Yeah.
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Yeah, that was some
compensation, of course.
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Sometimes people come in
and think all they have to do
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is offer the child love.
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It is a big move in the right
direction, Mrs Tredaway.
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Michael was put with two
very nice foster parents.
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What if he gets
equally upset with you
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and starts to smash up your lovely
home or starts to steal your things?
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You talk as though you don't
want people adopting children.
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You didn't answer
the question, Mrs Mills.
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- Perhaps they didn't handle him right.
- No.
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No, they're very experienced.
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What we'd prefer not to have happen
is you coming back two week later
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to say you can't cope.
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Well, I might give
it three weeks.
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Hmm.
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I did bring up two
sons without their father.
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Well, he will
need a lot of input.
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How's that gonna stack
up with your career?
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I'm prepared to give up
work to take care of Michael.
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- Is that gonna be a problem?
- What, financially?
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No. I can still write articles,
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be a consultant.
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Well, sometimes stepping
off the career ladder
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can cause enormous resentment.
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I have thought about this.
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Michael is obviously suffering and I
believe that I can help change that.
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Well, what I have to advise
the selection committee on
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and what I want
to be quite sure of
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is your reason for
wanting to adopt.
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Especially as
you're on your own.
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We have to be certain you're not
trying to replace something missing
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from your own life
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such as your children
going off to university.
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Oh, gosh.
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You okay?
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Need to talk to you about
the Denny McDowell appeal.
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I've only left you
about 93 messages.
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Do you want some
food? It's takeaway.
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If you've got some to spare.
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Yeah, sure. Go in.
I'll get you a plate.
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I'm not convinced I'm
making our case for Denny.
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If you're not convinced, how are
you gonna convince the Appeal Court?
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You could give me a
little encouragement here.
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I did.
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I told you I thought the
man was a liar and a thief,
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but that I thought he was
innocent of this particular crime.
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What are you arguing?
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That the conviction is unsafe
both because of the DNA reprofiling,
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the known corrupt record of
two of the detectives involved
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and the fact that the informant
they used was a professional.
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It sounds like you've got a
pretty good fresh evidence case.
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Have you looked at Their
Lordships' opinion in Pendleton 2002?
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I wish you were doing this one.
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What's wrong, Jo?
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Don't know.
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Jo.
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Doesn't matter.
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How's Charlie doing
in your chambers?
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She works hard.
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The fact is, I've made up my
mind to take on Michael Hulsey,
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if they'll have me.
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What happened to the
decent foster parents?
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Why is it that no one
wants me to do this?
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I'm just asking. Are you going
to give up a brilliant career?
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- It's a sabbatical.
- 'Cause you could be a judge next year.
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I thought that was
all you wanted.
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That seems to be what you
want. I don't know any more.
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Jo, anybody can be a mother.
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So speaks the perfect father?
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It's stupid to give
away what you've got.
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Yes, isn't it?
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To guide a damaged
little life into some
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harbour of warmth and affection.
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I've got no problem with
what you've described.
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Just let somebody else do it.
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Jo, you all right?
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You look like
you've seen a ghost.
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Yes, I think I have.
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Who are they?
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The one on the right is a very
corrupt ex-Detective Sergeant
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named Troy Romano.
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The other one's
probably just as corrupt.
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They're the ones who
arrested Denny McDowell.
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Well, what are they doing here?
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Checking their corrupt efforts
aren't overturned, I expect.
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I would urge Your Lordships to
give particular weight in this appeal
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to the new evidence revealed
by subsequent DNA profiling.
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It strongly suggests that
the appellant, Mr McDowell,
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was not at the scene of the
crime as the spent cigarette
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had previously and
erroneously indicated.
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Whilst there's no doubt
that the cigarette was there.
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The new DNA
profiling clearly shows
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that it wasn't, in
fact, smoked by him.
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In the Queen and Pendleton,
2002, Their Lordships held,
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"Where fresh
evidence is admitted,
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"the Court of Appeal
has to make a judgement
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"whether the
conviction is unsafe."
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I would further remind Your
Lordships, should you need reminding,
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that the proven dishonesty
of the arresting officers
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undermines their credibility as
key witnesses in the original trial.
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Detective Sergeant Troy Romano
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had subsequently been arrested
and successfully prosecuted
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for perverting the
course of justice.
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He was sent to
prison for five years.
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Are we to assume all
Mr Romano's arrests
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to be tainted because of
one black mark, Mrs Mills?
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I would point Your Lordships
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to the most recent European
human rights jurisprudence.
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It urges that all convictions
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where policemen have
subsequently been prosecuted
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should be re-examined.
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Pendleton suggests,
"It's wise to test
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"whether the new
evidence, if given at trial,
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"might reasonably have affected
the decision of the jury to convict."
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Thank you. Thank you, Mrs Mills.
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There's quite a lot
of law involved here.
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For that reason, we will
retire to consider our finding.
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All rise.
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- What do you think, Jo?
- I haven't a clue.
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He's your granddad.
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Sometimes it's hard to remember
that when he's sitting up there.
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I'm not minded to say that
the conviction is unsafe.
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If we are satisfied,
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despite any
irregularities in the trial
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or any new evidence
appearing subsequently,
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that the conviction
is still safe,
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then we should
dismiss the appeal.
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Where I hesitate over
the safety of the conviction
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is on considering the records of
the police officers who were involved.
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Only one of them
behaved incorrectly, Monty.
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We might assume that
the others were also tainted.
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Oh, it was one incident in an
otherwise exemplary career.
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Why should we assume otherwise?
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One has to look at the
law of probability, Joe.
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Yet so many get away with
it and then sue the police.
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I'm beginning to feel like that
Dutch boy with this finger in the dike.
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Well, what do
you think, Michael?
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Well, I wasn't convinced
by the new evidence
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or the argument, Monty.
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We can't possibly declare open
season on the police service.
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Convicted criminals will be queuing
up to draw on the public purse
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and further stretch the
resources of the courts.
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I'll make a call about it.
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I suppose you think
that's a wonderful result.
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- What are you talking about?
- You know very well.
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I'm gonna go on working
on the McDowell appeal
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and I will prove that you
fabricated the evidence.
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Well, good luck.
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- Why don't you let it go, Mrs Mills?
- No.
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You will not get away
with your corruption.
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- Well, we just did, didn't we?
- Troy!
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Look at her.
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She'd like me to take a
pop at her, wouldn't she?
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Wouldn't like to get on
the wrong side of him.
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I will find a way
of potting him.
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Mrs Mills.
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Thanks, Coop.
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Your directions
hearing is still waiting.
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Yes, I know. Thank you.
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Is she cross about something?
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- You should be elsewhere.
- I won't take up much of your time.
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I read the papers in the
Terry Rogers defence.
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DS Romano and his colleagues
were deeply implicated in corruption.
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Only according to the defendant.
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No, I believe it. It all
makes such sense.
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You know what they were like
when the arrested Denny McDowell.
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The Rogers arrest
is exactly similar.
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Does this mean you're
not taking a sabbatical, Jo?
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I'm not giving up adopting
Michael, if that's what you mean.
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I know it's the
right thing to do.
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I do, John.
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How do you think you're gonna
manage to look after this boy
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and still run a case you
think reeks of injustice?
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- You managed all right with Charlie.
- It's different.
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Michael will need a lot of
attention, a lot of support.
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And Charlie didn't?
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Mrs Mills.
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Jo Mills.
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This is Sue Bush,
Michael's house mother.
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Hello.
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Michael was asking if you're
coming to see him after school today.
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Yes, I'm gonna try.
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Mrs Mills... Jo,
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I don't wanna be pushy, but you
have to say one way or the other.
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These children have enough
uncertainty in their lives.
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I'm sorry. Of
course I'll be there.
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I have to go.
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How'd you come to be teaching?
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Did you qualify?
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No, it was purely by accident.
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After I went on the run,
I fetched up in Devon.
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Did a bit of casual
work on the boats.
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I was always quite
good on water.
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Someone I was working with
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asked if I wanted to help at
a canoeing club on the Dart.
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It wasn't paid work, but
they were nice people.
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00:20:29,028 --> 00:20:32,556
I suppose if it had been paid, I might
have just drifted back onto the drugs.
336
00:20:32,665 --> 00:20:34,258
Had you been
clean all the while?
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Yeah.
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Since being in police custody.
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00:20:42,174 --> 00:20:43,574
A very sobering experience,
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being arrested for robbery
and attempted murder.
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00:20:50,216 --> 00:20:52,082
I was good with canoes.
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00:20:53,185 --> 00:20:55,664
Then one of the organisers said he
was starting up a club at the school
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00:20:55,688 --> 00:20:57,316
and asked if I
wanted to help out.
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00:20:57,423 --> 00:20:59,483
That led to some
paid work there.
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There were no cheques
back in those days.
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00:21:03,863 --> 00:21:05,729
Working with decent
people made me realise
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00:21:05,831 --> 00:21:07,891
what a waste all that
other scene had been.
348
00:21:08,734 --> 00:21:12,136
- Where had you been living?
- In hostels.
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00:21:13,339 --> 00:21:14,773
Sometimes I slept rough.
350
00:21:15,741 --> 00:21:17,953
I was making hardly anything
when I worked on the canoeing.
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00:21:17,977 --> 00:21:19,309
Wasn't that a problem,
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00:21:19,779 --> 00:21:22,943
mixing with normal people
at the club and the school?
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00:21:23,949 --> 00:21:24,949
Yeah.
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00:21:26,786 --> 00:21:28,880
I tried to keep
myself clean and tidy.
355
00:21:30,089 --> 00:21:32,854
I used to go to the
washroom in the station.
356
00:21:33,292 --> 00:21:37,457
Then one of the older teachers
cottoned on when she caught me
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00:21:37,530 --> 00:21:39,074
washing my clothes in
the school cloak room
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and drying them on the radiator.
359
00:21:41,734 --> 00:21:43,293
I said I got wet in the river.
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00:21:43,369 --> 00:21:46,066
She said, "You must have
had a lot of clothes on then."
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00:21:50,976 --> 00:21:52,808
She gave me a room in her place.
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00:21:56,949 --> 00:21:59,783
Even gave me a key so I
could come and go when I liked.
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00:22:06,325 --> 00:22:09,318
I'd been on the run
two-and-a-half years then.
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00:22:13,933 --> 00:22:16,801
You have no idea what it's
like, Mrs Mills, to be finally
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00:22:18,204 --> 00:22:19,968
treated decently, like you're
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00:22:21,874 --> 00:22:24,002
a human being
that has some worth.
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00:22:28,848 --> 00:22:31,841
I knew then that nothing would
drag me back to my former life.
368
00:22:32,618 --> 00:22:34,746
How did you come to
be caught by the police?
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00:22:38,791 --> 00:22:39,791
I had...
370
00:22:42,494 --> 00:22:44,895
I'd been thinking a
lot about my daughter.
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00:22:49,335 --> 00:22:51,497
It was her 18th
birthday. I, uh...
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00:22:52,738 --> 00:22:55,207
I tried to contact her.
I knew it was risky,
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00:22:56,609 --> 00:22:57,609
but I had to.
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00:23:03,182 --> 00:23:07,142
I felt really bad about what
I'd done to her and her mum.
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00:23:18,864 --> 00:23:23,234
It was a real shock
when I turned up.
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00:23:27,706 --> 00:23:31,143
Katie couldn't talk to me.
She just went off to her room.
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00:23:34,013 --> 00:23:36,005
Must have been the shock.
378
00:23:37,149 --> 00:23:40,347
Cheryl had done a great
job of bringing her up.
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00:23:40,419 --> 00:23:43,014
Your wife had divorced you
while you were on the run?
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00:23:43,088 --> 00:23:45,250
Yeah, she should
have done it before then.
381
00:23:46,859 --> 00:23:49,090
I was just dragging her
through all my rubbish.
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00:23:52,464 --> 00:23:53,830
Seeing them, I, um...
383
00:23:54,733 --> 00:23:58,170
I thought I could somehow
be reconciled with my daughter.
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00:23:58,270 --> 00:24:01,798
I even imagined I could get
back together with Cheryl.
385
00:24:01,907 --> 00:24:03,876
So I thought about
giving myself up.
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00:24:05,210 --> 00:24:07,338
I'd read somewhere that
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00:24:07,413 --> 00:24:10,315
you could approach the
Director of Public Prosecutions
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00:24:10,382 --> 00:24:13,181
and, based on the new life you'd
been leading, negotiate your return.
389
00:24:14,687 --> 00:24:16,417
Did you do that? I
didn't read it here.
390
00:24:16,488 --> 00:24:18,081
I did approach them.
391
00:24:19,124 --> 00:24:21,650
I just wanted so
badly to be normal.
392
00:24:23,095 --> 00:24:26,293
They said that they would be
interested in meeting with me
393
00:24:26,365 --> 00:24:28,163
to try and clear this case up.
394
00:24:29,635 --> 00:24:33,572
The next thing I knew,
the police showed up.
395
00:24:38,811 --> 00:24:39,811
Why did you run?
396
00:24:41,981 --> 00:24:44,780
I don't know. I got scared.
397
00:24:47,052 --> 00:24:48,782
The DPP sent the police?
398
00:24:49,621 --> 00:24:50,680
I suppose.
399
00:24:51,690 --> 00:24:54,319
Doesn't make sense if they
were negotiating with you.
400
00:24:56,829 --> 00:25:00,163
Or maybe the police were watching
Cheryl's house and followed me.
401
00:25:00,265 --> 00:25:02,860
I doubt it. Not after 16 years.
402
00:25:02,935 --> 00:25:05,336
Possibly someone from
the DPP betrayed you.
403
00:25:06,071 --> 00:25:07,164
Why was that, do you think?
404
00:25:11,210 --> 00:25:12,337
I don't know.
405
00:25:12,411 --> 00:25:14,011
Is there something
you're not telling me?
406
00:25:15,647 --> 00:25:16,647
No.
407
00:25:34,133 --> 00:25:37,069
I am going to take on
your case, Mr Rogers.
408
00:25:39,905 --> 00:25:41,516
I can't tell you what it
means to him, Mrs Mills,
409
00:25:41,540 --> 00:25:43,270
having someone like
you believe in him.
410
00:25:43,342 --> 00:25:46,176
There are holes in his case.
Questions that need answering.
411
00:25:46,278 --> 00:25:49,442
He doesn't seem to have any
evidence to corroborate his claims.
412
00:25:50,115 --> 00:25:52,380
We need someone
to find the answers.
413
00:25:52,451 --> 00:25:54,195
There's an ex-policeman
that we sometimes use,
414
00:25:54,219 --> 00:25:55,864
but I'm not sure he'd be
right for something like this.
415
00:25:55,888 --> 00:25:58,483
There's a junior we can use
in chambers, Charlie Deed.
416
00:25:58,590 --> 00:26:01,116
With luck, I'll knock this
out at the pre-trial hearing.
417
00:26:01,226 --> 00:26:02,819
It'll mean a lot of work.
418
00:26:27,252 --> 00:26:30,017
Jo, this might do it.
419
00:26:31,390 --> 00:26:33,882
Since the Gladstone
report in 1895,
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00:26:33,992 --> 00:26:36,461
the aim of the prison system
has been to encourage
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00:26:36,528 --> 00:26:39,987
and assist prisoners to
lead a good and useful life.
422
00:26:40,432 --> 00:26:44,096
Well, Terry Rogers has achieved
that without the need for custody.
423
00:26:44,169 --> 00:26:45,169
Brilliant.
424
00:26:55,647 --> 00:26:57,445
You're going to be busy, Judge.
425
00:26:57,583 --> 00:27:01,350
Mr Justice Everard is going into
hospital the day after tomorrow.
426
00:27:01,420 --> 00:27:03,480
Ooh. Anything serious?
427
00:27:03,589 --> 00:27:08,152
Well, word along the corridor
is that it's a vasectomy.
428
00:27:08,227 --> 00:27:10,856
But his clerk said
it was a hernia.
429
00:27:10,929 --> 00:27:11,929
Uh-huh.
430
00:27:12,297 --> 00:27:14,459
Anyway, he gave me this case.
431
00:27:14,733 --> 00:27:17,464
The 13-year-old who
raped his teacher.
432
00:27:17,536 --> 00:27:18,731
It is ready?
433
00:27:18,837 --> 00:27:21,170
Not yet, Judge.
They're awaiting reports.
434
00:27:22,741 --> 00:27:25,870
To stay at large and
functioning for 16 years is,
435
00:27:25,944 --> 00:27:28,937
I hope you'll agree, my Lord,
a remarkable achievement.
436
00:27:29,014 --> 00:27:32,178
Especially when this is done
without resorting to crime.
437
00:27:32,584 --> 00:27:36,544
In addition, Mr Rogers
has led an exemplary life.
438
00:27:36,855 --> 00:27:40,656
One to which many of us might
aspire, much less those outside the law.
439
00:27:41,593 --> 00:27:43,255
It is for these reasons I argue
440
00:27:43,328 --> 00:27:46,196
that Terry Rogers
should not now be on trial.
441
00:27:46,999 --> 00:27:50,458
He is a very different man
from the one whom, it's alleged,
442
00:27:50,536 --> 00:27:52,505
committed this crime
all those years ago.
443
00:27:52,571 --> 00:27:56,804
My Lord, I cannot emphasise
"alleged" too strongly.
444
00:27:58,277 --> 00:28:01,145
One of the arresting officers in
this case was a thoroughly bad lot
445
00:28:01,213 --> 00:28:04,308
and went to prison for corruption
and perverting the course of justice.
446
00:28:04,383 --> 00:28:08,616
But the other three detectives involved
have hitherto impeccable records,
447
00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:09,779
do they not?
448
00:28:09,855 --> 00:28:12,586
The principle which
underpins criminal justice
449
00:28:12,658 --> 00:28:15,560
is that everyone and anyone
is capable of reforming,
450
00:28:15,627 --> 00:28:18,290
and having reformed,
deserves a second chance.
451
00:28:18,397 --> 00:28:21,265
We would argue that Mr
Rogers is a changed man
452
00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:23,494
and deserves a second chance.
453
00:28:23,569 --> 00:28:26,300
The principle can only be
adopted subsequent to dealing
454
00:28:26,371 --> 00:28:28,840
with the original index crime.
455
00:28:28,907 --> 00:28:31,376
Mr Rogers does not
absolve himself of the crime
456
00:28:31,476 --> 00:28:34,002
simply by absconding
for 16 years,
457
00:28:34,112 --> 00:28:37,105
however virtuous his behaviour
during his flight from justice.
458
00:28:37,616 --> 00:28:41,178
Mr Rogers alleges that the detective
who was convicted for corruption
459
00:28:41,253 --> 00:28:45,213
put a plastic bag over his head
in order to force him to confess.
460
00:28:45,657 --> 00:28:49,617
This is exactly similar to the case
where the detective was convicted.
461
00:28:49,761 --> 00:28:52,526
Well, then, doubtless you will
bring that forward as evidence
462
00:28:52,631 --> 00:28:56,033
and argue it at
Mr Rogers' trial.
463
00:28:56,101 --> 00:28:59,538
Now, are you ready for this case
to be given a fixed date for trial?
464
00:28:59,938 --> 00:29:01,770
Would you hear an
argument on public policy
465
00:29:01,873 --> 00:29:03,899
in the interests of
justice for Mr Rogers?
466
00:29:03,976 --> 00:29:07,708
Not if it avoids taking
responsibility for the original crime.
467
00:29:08,146 --> 00:29:10,115
Are you ready for trial?
468
00:29:10,215 --> 00:29:14,619
We are, my Lord. However, I would
ask that you hear an application for bail.
469
00:29:14,786 --> 00:29:18,553
Mr Rogers has proved a
reliable and trustworthy citizen.
470
00:29:18,657 --> 00:29:22,617
Further, he did approach the
DPP to negotiate his return.
471
00:29:22,694 --> 00:29:26,028
Well, that would be to risk
waiting another 16 years
472
00:29:26,098 --> 00:29:29,591
for this matter to be dealt with. No,
I don't think that bail is appropriate,
473
00:29:29,668 --> 00:29:30,668
Mrs Mills.
474
00:29:31,670 --> 00:29:34,139
Sir Maurice, is your case ready?
475
00:29:34,239 --> 00:29:36,572
Aside from one matter, my Lord.
476
00:29:36,675 --> 00:29:39,804
The Crown will require
an ex parte hearing
477
00:29:39,911 --> 00:29:44,281
to raise an issue relating to an
informant and the public interest.
478
00:29:44,349 --> 00:29:46,716
I will not be hearing
the case personally
479
00:29:46,785 --> 00:29:49,414
due to a prior commitment.
480
00:29:49,755 --> 00:29:51,951
It is being passed
to Mr Justice Deed,
481
00:29:52,090 --> 00:29:55,754
whose clerk will notify you
when he's available to hear it.
482
00:29:55,827 --> 00:29:57,420
Approach him.
483
00:30:01,099 --> 00:30:02,777
Did you know they had
an informant in this case?
484
00:30:02,801 --> 00:30:05,134
Terry didn't say that's how
he was caught originally, no.
485
00:30:05,237 --> 00:30:06,347
Well, it's obviously
what happened.
486
00:30:06,371 --> 00:30:08,101
What's the prosecution
after with the judge?
487
00:30:08,173 --> 00:30:10,151
To make sure the name of
the informant doesn't get out.
488
00:30:10,175 --> 00:30:12,542
- Can they do that?
- Of course, if the judge lets them.
489
00:30:12,611 --> 00:30:14,170
Sir Maurice is so
paranoid about it,
490
00:30:14,279 --> 00:30:17,010
he won't even risk me being
at the hearing with the judge.
491
00:30:17,115 --> 00:30:19,050
We badly need to find
someone who can corroborate
492
00:30:19,151 --> 00:30:21,017
what Terry Rogers
said the police did.
493
00:30:22,220 --> 00:30:23,347
I've got to dash.
494
00:30:28,427 --> 00:30:30,191
To be honest, Mrs Mills,
495
00:30:30,429 --> 00:30:32,206
I think it would be best
for Michael long-term
496
00:30:32,230 --> 00:30:34,426
if you were to abandon
the idea of adoption.
497
00:30:34,599 --> 00:30:41,529
No. No! I want to give Michael a
home, but I have to do this case first.
498
00:30:41,907 --> 00:30:44,706
It seems to me his life with you
would be a perpetual seesaw.
499
00:30:44,776 --> 00:30:46,768
It'll be different
when Michael's here.
500
00:30:49,948 --> 00:30:52,782
I understand you need
this operation, Monty.
501
00:30:52,851 --> 00:30:56,049
But all being well, you'll be
back in a couple of weeks or so.
502
00:30:56,521 --> 00:30:59,355
I'd really rather not take
on this Terry Rogers case.
503
00:30:59,558 --> 00:31:02,426
One of the detectives in that
case was also involved in a case
504
00:31:02,494 --> 00:31:05,157
that I defended, and I
know him to be corrupt.
505
00:31:05,230 --> 00:31:09,827
Oh, I'm sure we can rely
upon you not to be biased, John,
506
00:31:09,901 --> 00:31:12,461
even if it is Mrs
Mills defending.
507
00:31:12,537 --> 00:31:13,537
Oh, Monty.
508
00:31:14,139 --> 00:31:16,472
There is nothing between us.
509
00:31:16,842 --> 00:31:20,176
Unless you include her asking my
advice about this boy she wants to adopt.
510
00:31:20,278 --> 00:31:23,112
She ought to have
more sense at her age.
511
00:31:23,181 --> 00:31:27,243
I can see no serious conflict
of interest in either aspect.
512
00:31:27,753 --> 00:31:29,779
I mean, we've all had
policemen before us
513
00:31:29,855 --> 00:31:33,348
who've been involved in cases
we've previously defended.
514
00:31:36,261 --> 00:31:40,790
The crime that the defendant,
Terry Rogers, is charged with
515
00:31:40,866 --> 00:31:43,859
took place many years
ago, members of the jury.
516
00:31:44,703 --> 00:31:48,333
But that does not lessen
its importance to the law.
517
00:31:49,341 --> 00:31:52,505
The defence may try to
make much of this gap,
518
00:31:52,577 --> 00:31:55,376
and to query witnesses
as to their memories,
519
00:31:55,747 --> 00:32:00,583
but to the man who was
stabbed during this violent robbery
520
00:32:00,652 --> 00:32:02,348
and who subsequently
lost a kidney,
521
00:32:02,788 --> 00:32:07,158
the memory is as clear
and terrifying as yesterday.
522
00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:10,426
The defence may try to highlight
523
00:32:10,495 --> 00:32:13,863
Terry Rogers' alleged
current good character.
524
00:32:14,666 --> 00:32:17,534
But justice must punish crimes,
525
00:32:18,036 --> 00:32:20,631
even those buried deep in dust.
526
00:32:21,673 --> 00:32:24,734
Before you in the
dock, you see a man
527
00:32:24,843 --> 00:32:29,304
who was a violent, self-abusing,
wife-abusing drug addict,
528
00:32:31,149 --> 00:32:35,314
who indulged in crime to
feed that wretched habit.
529
00:32:36,521 --> 00:32:40,583
One who often associated with others
far out of his league in criminal terms,
530
00:32:40,659 --> 00:32:45,188
but who he respected
enough never to betray.
531
00:32:46,698 --> 00:32:50,635
Four armed men carried out
the robbery on the supermarket,
532
00:32:51,269 --> 00:32:54,467
wounding the manager,
Simon Estevez, with a knife,
533
00:32:55,273 --> 00:32:59,643
and making off with £13,000,
none of which was recovered.
534
00:33:01,646 --> 00:33:04,115
Following a heroin binge,
535
00:33:04,683 --> 00:33:06,709
the defendant was arrested
536
00:33:06,918 --> 00:33:12,323
and eventually signed a statement
confessing to his part in the crime.
537
00:33:13,959 --> 00:33:17,987
Soon after this, he managed
to escape from police custody.
538
00:33:18,063 --> 00:33:21,033
Then, without a
single qualification,
539
00:33:21,266 --> 00:33:24,327
he got a job teaching children,
540
00:33:25,103 --> 00:33:29,268
living with false papers under
the name of Hayden Russell.
541
00:33:30,542 --> 00:33:35,139
I don't know how to get false
papers, members of the jury,
542
00:33:35,247 --> 00:33:37,580
and I suspect that
none of you do either.
543
00:33:38,517 --> 00:33:43,046
Only someone with the right
connections, such as Terry Rogers,
544
00:33:43,154 --> 00:33:44,850
knows these things.
545
00:33:46,725 --> 00:33:48,819
Superintendent Craddock.
546
00:33:49,794 --> 00:33:53,424
Could you tell the court how long
you were with the crime squad?
547
00:33:53,498 --> 00:33:54,830
Seven years, sir.
548
00:33:54,900 --> 00:33:57,096
And what was the nature
of the work you did?
549
00:33:57,202 --> 00:33:58,830
We pursued armed robbers, sir.
550
00:33:59,871 --> 00:34:02,636
Was that dangerous
work, Superintendent?
551
00:34:02,707 --> 00:34:04,938
It could be quite dangerous.
552
00:34:05,043 --> 00:34:07,512
I was shot on two
different occasions.
553
00:34:07,746 --> 00:34:11,376
Are you being modest when
you say, "Quite dangerous"?
554
00:34:12,183 --> 00:34:14,550
You don't have to answer
that, Superintendent.
555
00:34:16,655 --> 00:34:19,819
Why did you go on with
such dangerous work?
556
00:34:19,925 --> 00:34:21,450
Stop it, Maurice.
557
00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:25,206
We didn't think about it. There were
lots of armed robbers in those days.
558
00:34:25,230 --> 00:34:27,358
It was part of the job.
559
00:34:27,499 --> 00:34:30,833
Was the supermarket
robbery in which the manager,
560
00:34:30,902 --> 00:34:34,236
Mr Simon Estevez, was
stabbed, one such job?
561
00:34:34,306 --> 00:34:37,105
It was. There were
37 robberies that year,
562
00:34:37,175 --> 00:34:39,110
all involving
knives or firearms.
563
00:34:40,478 --> 00:34:44,313
Then I would say you're being
very modest indeed, Superintendent.
564
00:34:49,721 --> 00:34:52,987
How did you come to arrest the
defendant for the robbery 16 years ago?
565
00:34:53,058 --> 00:34:54,058
My Lord...
566
00:34:54,159 --> 00:34:56,151
You can't prevent
defence counsel asking.
567
00:34:59,097 --> 00:35:00,827
Superintendent.
568
00:35:00,899 --> 00:35:02,868
A tip-off from an informant.
569
00:35:02,968 --> 00:35:05,699
You seem very sure about
that. It was 16 years ago.
570
00:35:05,804 --> 00:35:07,796
He was a reliable informant.
571
00:35:07,872 --> 00:35:09,397
One that you had used before?
572
00:35:09,474 --> 00:35:12,069
He'd been used by squad
members on a number of occasions.
573
00:35:12,143 --> 00:35:13,543
What's the name
of this informant?
574
00:35:13,645 --> 00:35:16,376
Mrs Mills, I have agreed
to the prosecution's request
575
00:35:16,481 --> 00:35:18,814
that this person's name
is not revealed in court.
576
00:35:18,917 --> 00:35:21,944
Then it's possible my
client won't get a fair trial.
577
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:25,154
If you can demonstrate
that, I'll reconsider my ruling.
578
00:35:27,125 --> 00:35:30,220
There can be a number of
reasons why a name such as this
579
00:35:30,328 --> 00:35:31,455
is not revealed.
580
00:35:32,397 --> 00:35:35,697
Because he or she is
continuing to help the police,
581
00:35:35,900 --> 00:35:39,701
or because revealing it would put
this person in danger, for example.
582
00:35:40,205 --> 00:35:43,835
It's called public
interest immunity, or PII.
583
00:35:46,978 --> 00:35:49,379
Ah, Jo. Good, I've caught you.
584
00:35:49,481 --> 00:35:51,359
How far have you got with
the backgrounds of the police?
585
00:35:51,383 --> 00:35:52,874
The prosecution have been smart
586
00:35:52,951 --> 00:35:55,546
in calling only two of the
four who were involved.
587
00:35:55,620 --> 00:35:57,316
They both have
straightforward records.
588
00:35:57,389 --> 00:35:59,722
Craddock has two
commendations for bravery.
589
00:35:59,791 --> 00:36:01,589
He's obviously a changed man.
590
00:36:01,660 --> 00:36:03,219
If he was ever involved.
591
00:36:03,328 --> 00:36:04,728
We know that
Romano went to prison.
592
00:36:04,796 --> 00:36:07,231
The other arresting
officer, Matthew Stone,
593
00:36:07,298 --> 00:36:09,563
he was allowed to
take early retirement.
594
00:36:09,634 --> 00:36:13,127
I can get them into the witness
box, but I doubt if they'll help us.
595
00:36:13,238 --> 00:36:16,299
We still haven't got anyone who
can corroborate Rogers' story.
596
00:36:16,408 --> 00:36:18,434
He hasn't got anyone.
I can't find anyone.
597
00:36:20,378 --> 00:36:22,472
Try our man in Parkhurst Prison.
598
00:36:22,547 --> 00:36:24,516
Denny McDowell. I'm
sure he can give us a start.
599
00:36:24,582 --> 00:36:26,778
Romano used the
plastic-bag trick on him.
600
00:36:28,119 --> 00:36:29,143
Go and talk to him.
601
00:36:34,159 --> 00:36:35,627
Excuse me. Mrs Mills?
602
00:36:36,127 --> 00:36:38,426
I'm Kate Rogers, Terry
Rogers's daughter.
603
00:36:38,530 --> 00:36:40,089
- Hello.
- My mum said he did it.
604
00:36:40,699 --> 00:36:42,167
He robbed that supermarket.
605
00:36:43,201 --> 00:36:45,693
How does she
know? Was she there?
606
00:36:45,804 --> 00:36:48,137
He might seem perfect to you,
but you don't even know him.
607
00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:50,538
He is such a liar. It's
stupid to believe him
608
00:36:50,642 --> 00:36:52,543
after everything
he's done to us.
609
00:36:57,315 --> 00:37:00,808
Two commendations for bravery
and promotion to superintendent
610
00:37:00,919 --> 00:37:02,410
by the age of 40
611
00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:05,888
would indicate an exemplary
career, Superintendent.
612
00:37:06,324 --> 00:37:08,020
Is yours an exemplary career?
613
00:37:08,259 --> 00:37:09,259
I do my best.
614
00:37:09,828 --> 00:37:12,821
How often has that best
fallen short of what is required?
615
00:37:12,931 --> 00:37:16,390
- That's not for me to say, miss.
- Well, you must have some idea.
616
00:37:16,468 --> 00:37:19,302
For instance, have you ever
been investigated for corruption,
617
00:37:19,404 --> 00:37:21,236
or wrongdoing?
618
00:37:21,306 --> 00:37:24,538
Once for expenses irregularities,
once for alleged racism.
619
00:37:24,876 --> 00:37:26,504
Both were proven unfounded.
620
00:37:26,578 --> 00:37:29,980
So neither of them impeded
your rapid promotion?
621
00:37:30,081 --> 00:37:31,081
It would seem not, miss.
622
00:37:31,549 --> 00:37:34,576
Was that promotion as a result
of your work with the crime squad?
623
00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:36,779
I suppose that could
have been part of it.
624
00:37:37,322 --> 00:37:39,814
Were you a part of the crime
squad when it was disbanded
625
00:37:39,924 --> 00:37:41,702
because it was felt that
too many of the detectives
626
00:37:41,726 --> 00:37:44,560
were out of control
or too corrupt?
627
00:37:45,063 --> 00:37:49,262
Was it disbanded because it was
corrupt and out of control, Superintendent?
628
00:37:49,367 --> 00:37:50,960
I believe it was a
political decision.
629
00:37:51,035 --> 00:37:54,062
It was becoming too much
like a national police force.
630
00:37:54,139 --> 00:37:56,836
Corruption was the reason
given for disbanding it.
631
00:37:57,308 --> 00:37:59,539
- You didn't think that was the case?
- No.
632
00:38:00,345 --> 00:38:03,247
Yet haven't no fewer than
28 former squad officers
633
00:38:03,314 --> 00:38:05,749
up and down the
country been prosecuted?
634
00:38:05,884 --> 00:38:07,324
Not all of them
have been convicted.
635
00:38:07,519 --> 00:38:09,511
How many were, Superintendent?
636
00:38:10,321 --> 00:38:11,321
I'm not sure, sir.
637
00:38:14,826 --> 00:38:17,796
But weren't detectives
as a matter of routine
638
00:38:17,862 --> 00:38:19,353
perverting the
course of justice?
639
00:38:19,964 --> 00:38:24,402
Planting evidence to fit suspects
up, to use the popular jargon.
640
00:38:24,803 --> 00:38:27,671
- No. Some of that was cited.
- There was corruption.
641
00:38:27,739 --> 00:38:29,071
Not that I was aware of.
642
00:38:29,140 --> 00:38:31,268
- Weren't you part of that corruption?
- My Lord.
643
00:38:31,409 --> 00:38:33,469
This is rather
flogging a dead horse.
644
00:38:34,012 --> 00:38:36,106
Mrs Mills, you know
the risk you're running.
645
00:38:41,119 --> 00:38:42,599
Superintendent,
who was the informant
646
00:38:42,687 --> 00:38:45,088
who alerted you to Terry
Rogers' involvement?
647
00:38:45,156 --> 00:38:46,624
I can't tell you that, miss.
648
00:38:46,724 --> 00:38:48,784
Why? Was he anonymous?
649
00:38:48,860 --> 00:38:50,795
Mrs Mills, I have ruled on this.
650
00:38:51,529 --> 00:38:54,021
My Lord, may I address you
in the absence of the jury?
651
00:38:54,132 --> 00:38:56,260
I'm surprised you
hadn't got there sooner.
652
00:38:56,367 --> 00:38:59,030
Members of the jury, would
you mind going out, please?
653
00:39:07,712 --> 00:39:11,274
I agree with you, Mrs Mills.
PII can be a loathsome device.
654
00:39:11,349 --> 00:39:14,114
But unless you can give
me a compelling argument
655
00:39:14,185 --> 00:39:16,381
for revealing this
informant's identity,
656
00:39:16,487 --> 00:39:19,082
I won't ask the prosecution
to reveal it to you.
657
00:39:19,224 --> 00:39:22,251
My client is being unfairly
deprived of his liberty.
658
00:39:22,427 --> 00:39:24,362
I haven't heard anything
that indicates that.
659
00:39:24,529 --> 00:39:28,967
What about the liberty of this person
who has helped the police so often?
660
00:39:30,668 --> 00:39:32,296
I will go on trying.
661
00:39:33,805 --> 00:39:35,273
Let's have the jury back.
662
00:39:37,041 --> 00:39:39,943
Superintendent, were
you one of four detectives
663
00:39:40,044 --> 00:39:42,104
who obtained a confession
from the defendant
664
00:39:42,213 --> 00:39:44,375
by placing a plastic
bag over his head?
665
00:39:44,482 --> 00:39:47,680
My Lord, even if my learned
friend acknowledges the risk,
666
00:39:47,752 --> 00:39:49,778
this is an outrageous assertion.
667
00:39:50,221 --> 00:39:52,281
More coffee,
members of the jury,
668
00:39:52,690 --> 00:39:54,955
whilst I have a
word with counsel.
669
00:40:08,306 --> 00:40:11,208
Mrs Mills, you're an
experienced Queen's Counsel.
670
00:40:11,276 --> 00:40:14,212
If you take this line, the
prosecution will be at liberty
671
00:40:14,279 --> 00:40:16,839
to bring in the
defendant's criminal history.
672
00:40:21,352 --> 00:40:24,151
Might I have a short
adjournment to consult my client?
673
00:40:24,222 --> 00:40:25,222
Ten minutes.
674
00:40:26,291 --> 00:40:27,350
All rise.
675
00:40:32,363 --> 00:40:34,308
I think I can get to the
identity of the informant
676
00:40:34,332 --> 00:40:36,961
by attacking these
policemen, but the risk is
677
00:40:37,835 --> 00:40:40,828
the prosecution can
reveal facts about your past.
678
00:40:42,206 --> 00:40:45,233
It's a gamble. It won't
paint a pretty picture.
679
00:40:45,310 --> 00:40:46,642
What choice do we have?
680
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:51,647
- Is there anything you haven't told me?
- No.
681
00:40:52,317 --> 00:40:54,047
- All that is behind me.
- Are you sure?
682
00:40:54,118 --> 00:40:55,296
- Yes!
- Your daughter approached...
683
00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:56,788
I know. I saw her in court.
684
00:40:58,022 --> 00:41:00,389
She's very angry with
me. So is her mother.
685
00:41:00,892 --> 00:41:03,794
Nothing that comes out in
court can make them more angry.
686
00:41:05,229 --> 00:41:06,925
There is nothing!
687
00:41:14,439 --> 00:41:15,600
Come.
688
00:41:15,673 --> 00:41:17,869
It was a complete waste
of time going to Parkhurst.
689
00:41:18,810 --> 00:41:21,279
Denny McDowell wouldn't
talk to me. He'll only talk to you.
690
00:41:21,346 --> 00:41:22,690
Did you tell him
what I'm in court with?
691
00:41:22,714 --> 00:41:24,342
I couldn't get
anywhere with him.
692
00:41:24,515 --> 00:41:25,515
He's really angry.
693
00:41:26,184 --> 00:41:28,915
Well, I suppose if you spend
a third of your life in prison
694
00:41:28,987 --> 00:41:31,684
for something you didn't do, it
would make you a little tetchy.
695
00:41:33,291 --> 00:41:34,816
I'll go and see him tomorrow.
696
00:41:34,926 --> 00:41:36,155
What about the trial?
697
00:41:37,862 --> 00:41:38,862
You'll be here.
698
00:41:40,431 --> 00:41:43,060
I'll go overnight and see
him first thing in the morning.
699
00:41:44,235 --> 00:41:47,763
It's the examination of chief of
Detective Sergeant Massey tomorrow.
700
00:41:47,839 --> 00:41:50,240
You need only take notes of
his answers to guide my cross,
701
00:41:50,308 --> 00:41:51,901
not Sir Maurice's questions.
702
00:41:54,078 --> 00:41:55,078
Jo!
703
00:42:20,004 --> 00:42:21,973
Mrs Tredaway, did
we have a meeting?
704
00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:24,407
No. You had a meeting
arranged with Michael.
705
00:42:24,475 --> 00:42:26,467
Oh, God, I did. I'm sorry.
706
00:42:26,544 --> 00:42:28,240
Right after court,
something came up.
707
00:42:28,312 --> 00:42:30,406
I got a call from
his house mother.
708
00:42:30,548 --> 00:42:32,847
- He doesn't want to see you anymore.
- What?
709
00:42:33,985 --> 00:42:35,954
No. He must.
710
00:42:36,454 --> 00:42:37,454
I want him.
711
00:42:38,656 --> 00:42:39,783
I'll go there right now.
712
00:42:39,891 --> 00:42:42,069
You won't, Mrs Mills. Not
unless Michael asks to see you.
713
00:42:42,093 --> 00:42:43,404
But I can't see that
he would, can you?
714
00:42:43,428 --> 00:42:45,488
Please don't make me
feel worse than I already do.
715
00:42:45,563 --> 00:42:46,563
I want to go and see him.
716
00:42:46,631 --> 00:42:48,542
- You weren't gonna take any more cases.
- I didn't say that.
717
00:42:48,566 --> 00:42:50,544
I have to do this. This is
about an innocent man's liberty.
718
00:42:50,568 --> 00:42:52,312
Yes, and Michael is
about the rest of his life.
719
00:42:52,336 --> 00:42:54,862
I'll go there. I'll explain,
tell him how sorry I am.
720
00:42:54,972 --> 00:42:57,203
- Please, let me explain.
- He doesn't want you.
721
00:43:21,666 --> 00:43:22,666
Come on.
722
00:43:25,369 --> 00:43:26,837
- I have to see Michael.
- You can't.
723
00:43:26,904 --> 00:43:28,702
No, you don't understand.
I have to explain.
724
00:43:28,806 --> 00:43:30,798
- You must let me see him.
- I was told you can't.
725
00:43:30,875 --> 00:43:33,087
Why are you punishing me? If
you punish me, you punish Michael.
726
00:43:33,111 --> 00:43:34,875
Michael. Michael!
727
00:43:34,946 --> 00:43:37,609
You're not doing your cause
any good, or his. I mean...
728
00:43:38,015 --> 00:43:40,075
Please, Michael. Let me explain.
729
00:43:40,151 --> 00:43:42,780
I'm sorry I'm late. You're much
more important than my work.
730
00:43:42,887 --> 00:43:44,378
You're more important
than anything.
731
00:43:44,689 --> 00:43:46,715
I just... I got tied up.
732
00:43:55,600 --> 00:43:56,600
I'm sorry.
733
00:44:05,243 --> 00:44:06,609
Sergeant Massey,
734
00:44:07,311 --> 00:44:11,646
how many arrests have you made
in your long and distinguished career?
735
00:44:13,251 --> 00:44:15,584
I don't exactly know,
sir, I don't keep score.
736
00:44:15,686 --> 00:44:20,056
Would it be dozens,
hundreds, thousands?
737
00:44:20,124 --> 00:44:22,355
Upper hundreds, lower
thousands, probably.
738
00:44:22,426 --> 00:44:25,362
So, without being immodest,
it would be fair to say
739
00:44:25,429 --> 00:44:29,389
that you have an impeccable
record as a police officer.
740
00:44:29,467 --> 00:44:32,437
- Yes, sir.
- A record I'm sure you wouldn't want
741
00:44:32,537 --> 00:44:36,304
- to sully by ever behaving corruptly?
- Miss Deed?
742
00:44:38,910 --> 00:44:40,435
Is your leader not in court?
743
00:44:40,511 --> 00:44:43,811
No, she's investigating
some new evidence, my Lord.
744
00:44:43,881 --> 00:44:46,112
Left you to hold the fort, eh?
745
00:44:46,651 --> 00:44:49,917
Are you challenging Sir
Maurice's line of questioning?
746
00:44:52,456 --> 00:44:54,288
Should I, my Lord?
747
00:44:54,358 --> 00:44:57,556
Yes, I'd say he was leading
the witness, wouldn't you?
748
00:44:57,628 --> 00:44:59,119
Yes, he was.
749
00:45:00,565 --> 00:45:02,727
- He was leading the witness, my Lord.
- Ah.
750
00:45:04,035 --> 00:45:07,199
Well, I think you ought to
know better, Sir Maurice.
751
00:45:07,271 --> 00:45:08,815
It might almost appear
that you were trying
752
00:45:08,839 --> 00:45:10,899
to take advantage of
counsel's lack of experience.
753
00:45:11,008 --> 00:45:13,443
I had no such intention.
754
00:45:13,511 --> 00:45:15,946
I believe I am experienced
enough to know that
755
00:45:16,047 --> 00:45:19,415
I couldn't pull the wool
over your eyes, my Lord.
756
00:45:19,483 --> 00:45:22,180
I have no further questions.
Thank you, Sergeant.
757
00:45:23,187 --> 00:45:24,519
Miss Deed.
758
00:45:30,695 --> 00:45:32,823
You want to
cross-examine the witness?
759
00:45:33,564 --> 00:45:37,001
No. I mean,
760
00:45:38,202 --> 00:45:41,195
could we have a short adjournment
until my leader returns, my Lord?
761
00:45:43,307 --> 00:45:47,005
Well, as much as I think we would
all appreciate the rest of the day off,
762
00:45:47,078 --> 00:45:50,810
I don't think we can be quite
so cavalier with the Court's time.
763
00:45:51,349 --> 00:45:53,318
You are across all of
the arguments, are you?
764
00:45:53,417 --> 00:45:55,352
Yes, I think so, my Lord.
765
00:45:56,153 --> 00:45:58,054
'Cause I think you should be.
766
00:45:58,756 --> 00:46:00,748
I am prepared to give you
a 10-minute adjournment
767
00:46:00,858 --> 00:46:04,795
so you can consult your leader
or your instructing solicitor.
768
00:46:09,367 --> 00:46:13,737
Jo, this is Charlie. Sir Maurice
has finished his examination early,
769
00:46:13,804 --> 00:46:15,966
what do I do?
770
00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:17,565
Call me as soon as you can.
771
00:46:17,642 --> 00:46:19,653
Charlie, you don't have to
cross-examine this witness.
772
00:46:19,677 --> 00:46:24,843
My dad... The judge,
expects me to. I'll talk to him.
773
00:46:33,891 --> 00:46:36,486
Judge? Charlie
would like to you see.
774
00:46:37,428 --> 00:46:39,090
Charlie who?
775
00:46:39,163 --> 00:46:41,997
Well, do we know another
Charlie, apart from your daughter?
776
00:46:43,334 --> 00:46:45,963
- Is Sir Maurice with her?
- I don't think so.
777
00:46:46,871 --> 00:46:49,636
Well, then I can't see her. You
know the rules as well as I do.
778
00:46:49,740 --> 00:46:53,006
- You do break them occasionally.
- Well, not for my daughter.
779
00:46:53,077 --> 00:46:54,807
Not when she's before me.
780
00:47:02,620 --> 00:47:05,146
Charlie, he won't see you
unless Sir Maurice is there, too.
781
00:47:05,256 --> 00:47:08,385
This is stupid. I can't ask his
advice in front of the prosecution.
782
00:47:08,492 --> 00:47:09,670
Yeah, but it's
the rules, Charlie.
783
00:47:09,694 --> 00:47:13,893
Since when has he ever taken notice
of those? He's my dad. I will see him.
784
00:47:13,964 --> 00:47:15,227
Charlie!
785
00:47:18,169 --> 00:47:21,264
- Why can't you see me? This is stupid!
- Get real, Charlie.
786
00:47:21,372 --> 00:47:23,932
You are appearing before me in
the grown-up world of Crown Court.
787
00:47:24,008 --> 00:47:27,035
You have to understand that
you can't see me on your own.
788
00:47:27,111 --> 00:47:29,171
Our relationship in these
circumstances is changed.
789
00:47:29,246 --> 00:47:30,874
I just wanted to
ask you one thing.
790
00:47:30,948 --> 00:47:32,948
Well, you can't, unless
you want to risk a retrial.
791
00:47:33,050 --> 00:47:37,181
- Well, you see Jo alone all the time.
- Charlie, this is not up for debate.
792
00:47:37,288 --> 00:47:40,588
Now you have to change now
you're in this world. Go on, hop it.
793
00:47:49,934 --> 00:47:51,664
What do I do, Granddad?
794
00:47:51,769 --> 00:47:54,603
Well, remember he's not your father
when you're appearing before him.
795
00:47:54,672 --> 00:47:57,073
He could have just
told me anyway.
796
00:47:57,174 --> 00:47:59,302
Yes, well, I wish I
was there, my darling.
797
00:47:59,410 --> 00:48:04,508
I may not have Solomonic wisdom,
but I'm a very good oracle on evidence.
798
00:48:04,615 --> 00:48:08,518
If I could only be sitting
within whispering distance.
799
00:48:08,619 --> 00:48:11,521
You could always
report sick, Charlie.
800
00:48:11,589 --> 00:48:13,285
He'd demand a
medical certificate.
801
00:48:13,758 --> 00:48:16,694
Yes. What tack
is Mrs Mills taking?
802
00:48:16,761 --> 00:48:18,821
To attack the
credibility of the police.
803
00:48:19,230 --> 00:48:23,895
Yes, I suppose she
would. Look, play for time.
804
00:48:24,368 --> 00:48:26,428
Take the policeman
through his every
805
00:48:26,537 --> 00:48:28,597
action since he
joined the police force.
806
00:48:28,672 --> 00:48:31,665
That'll teach your father not
to grant a proper adjournment.
807
00:48:33,177 --> 00:48:34,440
Thanks, Granddad.
808
00:48:49,493 --> 00:48:52,486
I still can't believe they
knocked me back on my appeal.
809
00:48:53,297 --> 00:48:54,560
I thought I'd got it for sure,
810
00:48:54,632 --> 00:48:57,329
what with Romano
being done for corruption.
811
00:48:57,401 --> 00:48:59,597
So did I and John Deed.
812
00:48:59,670 --> 00:49:01,990
Yeah, well, it's all right for
him, he's not stuck in here.
813
00:49:02,740 --> 00:49:04,732
The irony is if you would
have pleaded guilty,
814
00:49:04,809 --> 00:49:06,778
you would have been
paroled long before now.
815
00:49:06,844 --> 00:49:09,370
I'll never do that.
I'll die in here first.
816
00:49:11,515 --> 00:49:15,509
I won't give up on you, Denny.
I'll find a way, I promise you.
817
00:49:17,421 --> 00:49:18,498
I think there's
something in the case
818
00:49:18,522 --> 00:49:19,966
I'm currently working
on that could help you.
819
00:49:19,990 --> 00:49:22,550
The same two
detectives were involved.
820
00:49:22,660 --> 00:49:27,325
Why did you send that girl down
here? Why did you think I'd talk to her?
821
00:49:28,833 --> 00:49:31,428
I can't be in two places
at once. I'm in court.
822
00:49:33,204 --> 00:49:35,469
I need someone to corroborate
what Terry Rogers is saying
823
00:49:35,573 --> 00:49:38,634
about those detectives putting
a plastic bag over his head.
824
00:49:38,742 --> 00:49:41,268
It's what they did to me. On
the say so of an informant.
825
00:49:41,378 --> 00:49:43,506
Do you know who that was?
826
00:49:44,181 --> 00:49:47,310
There was no way I could get
his name. He was well protected.
827
00:49:50,254 --> 00:49:53,747
What about the policeman who gave
you the information on the detectives?
828
00:49:53,858 --> 00:49:56,760
Could he help with a
name, or corroboration?
829
00:49:56,861 --> 00:49:59,072
He wouldn't step out of the shadows
for me. Why would he for you?
830
00:49:59,096 --> 00:50:01,190
Give me his name,
let me talk to him.
831
00:50:02,199 --> 00:50:06,762
He won't do it. He's
about to retire. He's scared.
832
00:50:06,837 --> 00:50:09,363
He was on the squad with
the other detectives, wasn't he?
833
00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:11,534
He asked to go out because
of what they were doing.
834
00:50:11,609 --> 00:50:13,578
Denny, this could
help your case.
835
00:50:13,644 --> 00:50:17,513
Yeah, but if he clams up, I'll
never get anything out of him.
836
00:50:18,315 --> 00:50:21,843
You've got to trust me
with this. Just trust me.
837
00:50:26,891 --> 00:50:31,192
And for what precisely did
you make your first arrest?
838
00:50:35,099 --> 00:50:39,696
- Widespread cheque-card fraud.
- How much money was involved?
839
00:50:39,770 --> 00:50:43,172
Miss Deed, do you think
we should ask the jury
840
00:50:43,240 --> 00:50:46,074
if they'd like some more
coffee to keep them awake?
841
00:50:46,176 --> 00:50:48,907
- This is all relevant, my Lord.
- Oh, yeah, I'm sure it is.
842
00:50:49,847 --> 00:50:51,372
I just wish you'd
go a bit faster.
843
00:50:59,223 --> 00:51:00,851
Sergeant Hill?
844
00:51:02,092 --> 00:51:04,391
- I'm Jo Mills.
- Think I couldn't guess?
845
00:51:04,495 --> 00:51:07,397
I told you on the phone, I don't
know Denny McDowell or Terry Rogers
846
00:51:07,498 --> 00:51:08,909
other than what I've
read in the newspapers.
847
00:51:08,933 --> 00:51:11,411
I never referred to him as Denny.
I'm sure the papers never did.
848
00:51:11,435 --> 00:51:14,166
Denny, Dennis, what's it
matter? I can't help you.
849
00:51:14,238 --> 00:51:15,968
I'm just going on duty.
850
00:51:16,040 --> 00:51:17,551
You're obviously a
man with a conscience
851
00:51:17,575 --> 00:51:20,020
or you wouldn't have contacted
Denny McDowell in the first place.
852
00:51:20,044 --> 00:51:22,240
How many more innocent
men are languishing in jail,
853
00:51:22,313 --> 00:51:24,839
men you might be
able to help get out?
854
00:51:28,218 --> 00:51:29,743
In case you change your mind.
855
00:51:33,457 --> 00:51:35,722
That's very
interesting, Sergeant.
856
00:51:38,162 --> 00:51:39,439
What was the first
thing that you did
857
00:51:39,463 --> 00:51:41,796
when you got to the
squad office each morning?
858
00:51:43,233 --> 00:51:46,692
I'd get a cup of coffee,
then check my post.
859
00:51:55,245 --> 00:51:58,409
When did you first use a plastic
bag placed over a suspect's head
860
00:51:58,482 --> 00:52:00,280
in order to get a confession?
861
00:52:00,384 --> 00:52:03,877
- What?
- My Lord, this outrageous assertion
862
00:52:03,954 --> 00:52:08,551
raises its ugly head once again. I
wager with nothing to substantiate it.
863
00:52:09,660 --> 00:52:12,562
Have you got anything to
substantiate it, Miss Deed?
864
00:52:18,102 --> 00:52:21,038
- Yes.
- Perhaps my learned friend has something
865
00:52:21,138 --> 00:52:23,334
she wishes to
share with the Court.
866
00:52:25,943 --> 00:52:28,970
- Do you, Miss Deed?
- In the fullness of time.
867
00:52:30,214 --> 00:52:34,481
- Well, Sergeant?
- No, I've never strong-armed suspects.
868
00:52:35,252 --> 00:52:38,154
Not even when my team
arrested a child murderer.
869
00:52:39,223 --> 00:52:41,454
You mean a suspected
child murderer, surely?
870
00:52:41,525 --> 00:52:45,326
It's up to the Court to decide
whether your suspect is in fact guilty.
871
00:52:45,396 --> 00:52:47,695
Yes, miss. But he was convicted.
872
00:52:49,033 --> 00:52:52,367
So you've never once used
force to get a prisoner to confess?
873
00:52:52,436 --> 00:52:54,530
No. Never.
874
00:52:54,605 --> 00:52:56,205
So you're saying that
you have never used
875
00:52:56,240 --> 00:52:58,800
a plastic bad to get
a suspect to confess?
876
00:52:58,876 --> 00:53:04,508
- No, I haven't. On my baby's eyesight.
- A simple no would suffice.
877
00:53:06,717 --> 00:53:10,313
Well, that woke everybody up,
Mrs Mills, just as it's time to go home.
878
00:53:11,488 --> 00:53:12,751
All rise.
879
00:53:22,099 --> 00:53:23,328
Hang on.
880
00:53:24,635 --> 00:53:30,575
Jo Mills. I understand your hesitation,
Sergeant. Where do you want to meet?
881
00:53:32,409 --> 00:53:33,638
Half an hour?
882
00:53:39,583 --> 00:53:44,146
Troy Romano and Matthew
Stone were by-words for corruption.
883
00:53:46,156 --> 00:53:49,888
I was so proud when I
was selected to the squad.
884
00:53:49,960 --> 00:53:53,158
Then I discovered
what was going on.
885
00:53:53,263 --> 00:53:54,925
It turned my stomach.
886
00:53:56,734 --> 00:53:58,498
I'm as bad, I suppose.
887
00:53:59,636 --> 00:54:01,314
Instead of getting out,
I should have stayed
888
00:54:01,338 --> 00:54:02,966
and blown the whistle.
889
00:54:03,640 --> 00:54:07,008
All these years, I've
lived with it, marking time.
890
00:54:07,778 --> 00:54:09,474
Waiting to collect me pension.
891
00:54:11,315 --> 00:54:12,647
It's shameful.
892
00:54:12,716 --> 00:54:16,346
It takes a lot of courage to
step forward and be singled out.
893
00:54:20,357 --> 00:54:23,293
After they nicked Troy
Romano, Matt Stone got out.
894
00:54:24,661 --> 00:54:28,393
I think Superintendent
Craddock helped him pull clear.
895
00:54:28,499 --> 00:54:30,695
Do you know that or
are you speculating?
896
00:54:30,768 --> 00:54:33,169
Look, I want to keep
my pension, Mrs Mills.
897
00:54:34,238 --> 00:54:36,605
Now, Dave Craddock was
a strange man in those days.
898
00:54:36,673 --> 00:54:39,939
I think he was a
decent bloke, but weak.
899
00:54:41,845 --> 00:54:44,576
It was probably him who
helped Rogers escape.
900
00:54:45,249 --> 00:54:46,444
Are you serious?
901
00:54:46,517 --> 00:54:50,284
You just can't walk out of police
stations once you're in custody.
902
00:54:52,723 --> 00:54:56,251
Romano and Stone would help
out robbers they should have nicked.
903
00:54:56,927 --> 00:54:58,657
To do that, they'd find a body.
904
00:54:59,329 --> 00:55:01,389
Some worthless criminal
they'd put in the frame.
905
00:55:01,498 --> 00:55:03,626
Terry Rogers was the body.
906
00:55:03,734 --> 00:55:07,227
Then they'd get a professional
informant they had to grass him.
907
00:55:07,337 --> 00:55:09,636
Yes, who was that
informant, what was his name?
908
00:55:09,740 --> 00:55:13,177
- I can't tell you.
- You don't know, or you won't tell me?
909
00:55:13,944 --> 00:55:15,378
I don't know.
910
00:55:15,946 --> 00:55:17,546
Even if I did, I
couldn't give it to you.
911
00:55:17,581 --> 00:55:19,675
He's covered by
public interest immunity.
912
00:55:20,617 --> 00:55:23,314
Was it the same informant
that named Denny McDowell?
913
00:55:24,121 --> 00:55:25,953
I think it was, yeah.
914
00:55:26,423 --> 00:55:29,052
How many cases has this
informant been involved in?
915
00:55:30,861 --> 00:55:32,762
I know of eight convictions.
916
00:55:32,863 --> 00:55:36,493
One, Laurence Ray,
got overturned on appeal.
917
00:55:38,101 --> 00:55:41,094
Did they ever put any
robbers away on real evidence?
918
00:55:41,638 --> 00:55:43,436
There were some
really dangerous robbers
919
00:55:43,540 --> 00:55:46,408
put away as a result
of some real coppering.
920
00:55:46,777 --> 00:55:50,839
But there was that much pressure on us,
no one much minded how we did our job.
921
00:55:52,316 --> 00:55:56,412
Well, if I don't get the name of the
informant, we're no further forward.
922
00:55:56,820 --> 00:55:59,346
I'm sorry. I've gotta go.
923
00:56:04,661 --> 00:56:08,393
Do you think Superintendent Craddock
really helped Terry Rogers escape?
924
00:56:08,498 --> 00:56:10,729
If he did, I want to know why.
925
00:56:16,773 --> 00:56:18,935
Of course he didn't, Mrs
Mills. Why would he let me go?
926
00:56:19,009 --> 00:56:20,053
That's what I'm asking you.
927
00:56:20,077 --> 00:56:22,774
He didn't! I just saw
my opportunity and I ran!
928
00:56:28,685 --> 00:56:30,813
Let's go back, if we may,
929
00:56:30,888 --> 00:56:35,223
to your involvement with ex-Detective
Sergeants Romano and Stone.
930
00:56:35,292 --> 00:56:37,955
They were by-words for corruption
on the squad, were they not?
931
00:56:38,061 --> 00:56:40,530
- I haven't heard that.
- Oh, really?
932
00:56:40,597 --> 00:56:42,691
Even though Romano
was sent to prison
933
00:56:42,766 --> 00:56:44,667
and Stone squeaked out
934
00:56:44,735 --> 00:56:46,761
with the help of
Superintendent Craddock?
935
00:56:48,005 --> 00:56:50,634
Tell us the last case you were
on with Romano and Stone.
936
00:56:51,608 --> 00:56:54,635
- I can't remember.
- Well, let me refresh your memory.
937
00:56:56,380 --> 00:56:59,839
Wasn't it the conviction of
Laurence Ray for robbery?
938
00:56:59,917 --> 00:57:01,283
I think so.
939
00:57:02,452 --> 00:57:06,321
Did you use a professional informant
to help convict Laurence Ray?
940
00:57:06,423 --> 00:57:07,914
I really don't remember.
941
00:57:08,025 --> 00:57:10,722
Then I suggest you'd
better try harder, Sergeant.
942
00:57:10,827 --> 00:57:13,490
My Lord, your intervention
is hardly fair to this witness.
943
00:57:13,563 --> 00:57:17,557
He is having to recall events that
occurred some 16 or more years ago.
944
00:57:17,668 --> 00:57:19,899
Yes, and I'm reminding
him of his duty.
945
00:57:19,970 --> 00:57:23,998
You are forcing him to give answers
that may not be direct memory.
946
00:57:24,107 --> 00:57:26,372
No, no, no. Sit
down. Well, Sergeant?
947
00:57:29,012 --> 00:57:31,880
My Lord, I think we may
be referring to the informant
948
00:57:31,982 --> 00:57:34,577
who is covered by the
public interest immunity.
949
00:57:34,651 --> 00:57:38,679
- Are we?
- Yes, my Lord.
950
00:57:38,789 --> 00:57:40,629
Then you can't have
the information, Mrs Mills.
951
00:57:40,657 --> 00:57:42,558
This is wholly unfair, my Lord.
952
00:57:42,659 --> 00:57:44,753
Yes, so you keep saying.
953
00:57:50,334 --> 00:57:54,328
Can you tell the Court what happened
subsequent to Mr Ray's conviction?
954
00:57:54,404 --> 00:57:56,305
- I don't know.
- Oh, really?
955
00:57:56,373 --> 00:57:58,151
Not that his conviction
was found to be unsafe
956
00:57:58,175 --> 00:58:01,441
and he was freed by the Court of
Appeal after serving nine years?
957
00:58:02,346 --> 00:58:04,611
What happened to
your secret supergrass?
958
00:58:04,681 --> 00:58:07,082
- My Lord...
- Mrs Mills, just be careful.
959
00:58:08,785 --> 00:58:10,481
- I don't know.
- Come on!
960
00:58:11,288 --> 00:58:13,689
Did he get a knighthood?
Retire to the Bahamas?
961
00:58:13,757 --> 00:58:14,850
He wasn't my informant.
962
00:58:14,925 --> 00:58:17,417
But one you had plenty of
contact with, did you not?
963
00:58:17,494 --> 00:58:19,690
My Lord, if you allow
the defence to persist
964
00:58:19,763 --> 00:58:21,356
with this line of questioning,
965
00:58:21,465 --> 00:58:24,492
this person might accidentally
be identified in open court.
966
00:58:24,568 --> 00:58:26,537
I'll see you both
in chambers now.
967
00:58:27,404 --> 00:58:28,702
All rise.
968
00:58:32,442 --> 00:58:34,468
What's going on here, Maurice?
969
00:58:34,578 --> 00:58:36,376
Is there evidence
to convict this man
970
00:58:36,446 --> 00:58:38,574
without revealing the
informant's identity?
971
00:58:38,648 --> 00:58:41,880
The CPS thinks there is and
I am of that opinion as well.
972
00:58:41,985 --> 00:58:44,079
Rogers did sign a confession.
973
00:58:44,187 --> 00:58:45,485
He didn't write it though!
974
00:58:45,589 --> 00:58:47,649
The informant simply
put his name in the frame.
975
00:58:47,724 --> 00:58:50,421
That is partly how
the police function.
976
00:58:50,494 --> 00:58:53,225
Without informants, there
would be no crime watch.
977
00:58:53,296 --> 00:58:55,925
Come on, Maurice.
This is no longer the '80s.
978
00:58:55,999 --> 00:58:58,935
We take a dim view of
professional informants nowadays.
979
00:58:59,002 --> 00:59:01,369
That makes his information
no less valid, my Lord.
980
00:59:01,438 --> 00:59:04,602
Any information that can't be
tested in court is less than reliable.
981
00:59:06,410 --> 00:59:08,845
- Can you proceed?
- I don't think I can guarantee
982
00:59:08,945 --> 00:59:11,608
my client justice if I cannot
examine the informant.
983
00:59:11,681 --> 00:59:14,412
Bring me evidence of that Jo
and I'll reconsider my decision.
984
00:59:14,484 --> 00:59:16,851
- Judge...
- No, the burden is still on the defence
985
00:59:16,920 --> 00:59:18,831
to show that her client
can only get a fair trial
986
00:59:18,855 --> 00:59:20,881
if this person's
name is revealed.
987
00:59:20,957 --> 00:59:24,826
We have to keep this under constant
review, Maurice, and you know it.
988
00:59:27,898 --> 00:59:30,527
I don't know how you're
going to prove that, Mrs Mills.
989
00:59:32,469 --> 00:59:35,962
Have any of the other convictions
that the informant was responsible for
990
00:59:36,039 --> 00:59:38,338
been overturned?
Besides Laurence Ray's?
991
00:59:38,408 --> 00:59:39,501
That would do it.
992
00:59:39,576 --> 00:59:42,341
It would show that the informant
is not reliable and therefore
993
00:59:42,412 --> 00:59:44,677
the public interest has changed.
994
00:59:44,781 --> 00:59:46,477
There's the one that
got Romano nicked.
995
00:59:46,583 --> 00:59:47,881
How is that?
996
00:59:47,984 --> 00:59:49,418
Sonny McQueen
was the police plant.
997
00:59:49,486 --> 00:59:51,682
He was approaching
Romano to do corrupt deals.
998
00:59:51,788 --> 00:59:54,849
Romano double-crossed him on
the deal and fitted him up for robbery.
999
00:59:54,925 --> 00:59:57,121
Using the informant? Great.
1000
01:00:11,741 --> 01:00:13,403
What do you think?
1001
01:00:24,454 --> 01:00:25,820
What do you think of this?
1002
01:00:27,324 --> 01:00:28,849
It's Harry Potter.
1003
01:00:29,893 --> 01:00:31,828
You liked the Harry
Potter books, didn't you?
1004
01:00:31,895 --> 01:00:33,227
They were okay.
1005
01:00:37,968 --> 01:00:41,063
Michael, I'm really sorry I
couldn't come when I said I would.
1006
01:00:41,138 --> 01:00:42,936
I was terribly busy.
1007
01:00:47,310 --> 01:00:50,644
I've asked the social worker if
you could come to my home soon.
1008
01:00:52,382 --> 01:00:54,010
If you'd like to.
1009
01:00:56,853 --> 01:00:58,845
I'm sure it'd be
nicer than here.
1010
01:01:00,624 --> 01:01:02,559
Gonna give him all of them?
1011
01:01:04,461 --> 01:01:07,863
Well, I expect you can play with
them, too. What is your name?
1012
01:01:07,931 --> 01:01:10,059
I think it's Hero, I think.
1013
01:01:10,133 --> 01:01:13,126
Well, that's interesting.
He was a Greek, wasn't he?
1014
01:01:18,241 --> 01:01:23,043
It was a girl. She was in love
with Leander who drowned.
1015
01:01:23,146 --> 01:01:25,945
- She committed suicide.
- How do you know that?
1016
01:01:26,016 --> 01:01:27,985
I've got a book on
Greek mythology.
1017
01:01:30,687 --> 01:01:33,851
Perhaps that's why he doesn't
like to remember his name.
1018
01:01:34,891 --> 01:01:37,258
Do you want to go and
see The Wizard of Oz?
1019
01:01:44,935 --> 01:01:47,734
I'll pack these things up.
You can have them later.
1020
01:02:03,286 --> 01:02:05,118
Having looked at the papers
1021
01:02:05,222 --> 01:02:07,851
in the case against
ex-Detectives Romano and Stone...
1022
01:02:08,725 --> 01:02:10,125
Mrs Mills?
1023
01:02:12,662 --> 01:02:13,662
Jo?
1024
01:02:16,499 --> 01:02:18,934
Having looked at papers,
I am going to order that
1025
01:02:19,002 --> 01:02:21,995
the Crown discloses
the name of the informant
1026
01:02:22,105 --> 01:02:24,631
previously protected under
public interest immunity.
1027
01:02:24,741 --> 01:02:28,109
My Lord, I would urge you
most strongly not to do that.
1028
01:02:28,178 --> 01:02:29,703
The man's life may be at stake.
1029
01:02:29,779 --> 01:02:33,580
As the informant seems to have conspired
with at least one corrupt detective,
1030
01:02:33,650 --> 01:02:35,228
it can no longer be
in the public interest
1031
01:02:35,252 --> 01:02:37,483
to keep his name secret, can it?
1032
01:02:37,587 --> 01:02:39,613
What is his name?
1033
01:02:39,689 --> 01:02:43,717
I don't have that information,
only his pseudonym, The Cat.
1034
01:02:45,528 --> 01:02:49,021
Then are either of the two
detectives at court, Mrs Mills?
1035
01:02:49,099 --> 01:02:54,060
- No, neither answered their summons.
- All right, then I'll issue a summons.
1036
01:02:54,137 --> 01:02:57,505
Mr Clerk, I want them both brought
here so I can question them on this matter.
1037
01:02:57,574 --> 01:02:59,907
In the meantime, is
Superintendent Craddock here?
1038
01:02:59,976 --> 01:03:03,003
I want to talk to him as well.
And let's have the jury back.
1039
01:03:07,550 --> 01:03:09,018
Superintendent Craddock,
1040
01:03:09,085 --> 01:03:11,179
I'd like to ask you
some questions, please.
1041
01:03:14,291 --> 01:03:17,159
I would like my objection
to this procedure noted.
1042
01:03:17,260 --> 01:03:18,523
It's noted.
1043
01:03:20,363 --> 01:03:23,356
Superintendent Craddock,
a specific allegation
1044
01:03:23,466 --> 01:03:26,903
has been laid against
officers of the crime squad
1045
01:03:26,970 --> 01:03:30,498
to do with actions whilst
questioning the defendant.
1046
01:03:30,573 --> 01:03:34,772
It's alleged that a plastic
bag was placed over his head
1047
01:03:34,844 --> 01:03:36,972
to obtain a confession.
1048
01:03:37,580 --> 01:03:38,673
Did you take part in that?
1049
01:03:38,782 --> 01:03:41,274
- No, my Lord...
- Do sit down, Sir Maurice.
1050
01:03:43,453 --> 01:03:45,513
No, sir. Police officers
don't behave like that.
1051
01:03:45,622 --> 01:03:49,923
Are you saying officers
on the squad never did that?
1052
01:03:50,026 --> 01:03:52,257
Not to my knowledge, sir. No.
1053
01:03:52,329 --> 01:03:54,355
- You're sure?
- Yes, sir.
1054
01:03:54,464 --> 01:03:56,023
Is it your evidence then
1055
01:03:56,099 --> 01:03:58,534
that Terry Rogers willingly
confessed to this crime?
1056
01:03:58,601 --> 01:04:02,538
- My Lord, he signed a statement.
- That's not what I asked him.
1057
01:04:03,540 --> 01:04:06,908
- Superintendent?
- He did willingly confess, sir.
1058
01:04:06,976 --> 01:04:12,677
Then, how did Mr Rogers sustain
injuries to his wrists and chest?
1059
01:04:12,782 --> 01:04:15,274
He had to be cuffed,
he attacked DS Romano.
1060
01:04:15,385 --> 01:04:17,149
It's in the medical report.
1061
01:04:17,220 --> 01:04:22,454
The independent medical report
submitted by the defence suggests
1062
01:04:22,525 --> 01:04:27,088
that his injuries are consistent
1063
01:04:27,163 --> 01:04:31,601
with having had a plastic
bag placed over his head.
1064
01:04:31,701 --> 01:04:33,101
We didn't do that, sir.
1065
01:04:34,704 --> 01:04:36,798
How did you come
to arrest Mr Rogers?
1066
01:04:38,141 --> 01:04:40,804
From information supplied
to us by an informant.
1067
01:04:40,910 --> 01:04:42,378
Ah. Now...
1068
01:04:43,813 --> 01:04:48,683
Did the police ever feed
information to the informant?
1069
01:04:49,185 --> 01:04:50,813
Not to my knowledge, no.
1070
01:04:50,887 --> 01:04:54,221
Then we better ask him. What
is the name of this informant?
1071
01:04:54,290 --> 01:04:56,885
I don't know, sir.
I didn't run him.
1072
01:04:57,327 --> 01:05:01,287
I see, it might almost
appear to be a conspiracy
1073
01:05:01,364 --> 01:05:03,856
to prevent this informant's
name from coming out.
1074
01:05:03,933 --> 01:05:07,961
But I will have it. One way
or another, I will have it.
1075
01:05:10,306 --> 01:05:14,641
My Lord, we cannot, we must not
pursue this informant in this way.
1076
01:05:14,744 --> 01:05:16,770
To do so is not in
the public interest.
1077
01:05:16,846 --> 01:05:19,543
No, Mr James, as
Lord Bingham says,
1078
01:05:19,616 --> 01:05:22,176
"We cannot withhold
anything under PII
1079
01:05:22,252 --> 01:05:25,017
"if to do so is to deny
a defendant justice."
1080
01:05:25,088 --> 01:05:27,284
The informant could still
be at risk from criminals.
1081
01:05:27,390 --> 01:05:29,325
It's still not worth
risking a man's liberty.
1082
01:05:29,426 --> 01:05:32,089
The man in question may not
deserve his liberty, Sir John.
1083
01:05:32,195 --> 01:05:37,327
That's what I want to
test in court. I will do this.
1084
01:05:37,434 --> 01:05:39,044
If I have to approach
the Attorney General,
1085
01:05:39,068 --> 01:05:41,765
the Home Secretary
and the Lord Chancellor.
1086
01:05:41,871 --> 01:05:43,737
Not necessarily in that order.
1087
01:05:47,710 --> 01:05:52,944
My earnest advice to you,
John, is not to pursue this matter.
1088
01:05:53,016 --> 01:05:55,076
The PII has always prevailed.
1089
01:05:55,185 --> 01:05:57,051
This wretched
informant has blighted
1090
01:05:57,153 --> 01:05:59,054
several lives, Joe, and
he should be outted.
1091
01:05:59,355 --> 01:06:01,256
Anyway, it's my decision.
1092
01:06:01,324 --> 01:06:02,917
The powers that be seem to think
1093
01:06:03,026 --> 01:06:06,724
that a lot of his information
is highly sensitive.
1094
01:06:07,464 --> 01:06:09,490
You could put the Home
Secretary on the rack
1095
01:06:09,566 --> 01:06:11,467
and still not squeeze
the name out of him.
1096
01:06:11,534 --> 01:06:14,299
This isn't about
protecting public interest,
1097
01:06:14,370 --> 01:06:18,102
it's about protecting corrupt
policemen and I'm not going to do it.
1098
01:06:20,944 --> 01:06:22,503
Bloody fool.
1099
01:06:26,749 --> 01:06:29,844
It's not fair, Jo, the judge
said we could have his name.
1100
01:06:29,953 --> 01:06:33,651
Maybe we can get it from Romano,
if the summons server can find him.
1101
01:06:35,291 --> 01:06:38,853
What about Sergeant Hill?
Perhaps he knows where he is.
1102
01:06:42,365 --> 01:06:44,459
You must be able
to help, Granddad.
1103
01:06:44,567 --> 01:06:48,902
Yeah, but I'm just on my way to see
the Lord Chancellor, to talk, I hope,
1104
01:06:49,606 --> 01:06:53,600
- about my elevation.
- This is important.
1105
01:06:53,710 --> 01:06:56,942
Was the informant's name
disclosed to the trial judge?
1106
01:06:57,013 --> 01:06:59,312
It was Sir Nicholas
Jones in the McDowell trial.
1107
01:06:59,382 --> 01:07:01,283
You know him, can't you ask him?
1108
01:07:01,384 --> 01:07:03,478
Even if I got the man's
name for you, my darling,
1109
01:07:03,586 --> 01:07:06,454
I'm not sure that you, as the
junior on the case, should have it.
1110
01:07:06,556 --> 01:07:07,854
Dad said we could.
1111
01:07:11,194 --> 01:07:12,856
Look, I've got to go.
1112
01:07:22,572 --> 01:07:25,701
- Wow, it looks like my luck's changed.
- Hello, Troy.
1113
01:07:26,976 --> 01:07:28,035
Sam.
1114
01:07:29,012 --> 01:07:31,607
- You want a drink?
- You didn't answer your witness summons.
1115
01:07:32,315 --> 01:07:33,749
I wonder why.
1116
01:07:34,784 --> 01:07:36,548
Here's one straight
from the judge.
1117
01:07:39,389 --> 01:07:40,466
You've got to be kidding me.
1118
01:07:40,490 --> 01:07:44,393
If you don't appear forthwith,
you'll find yourself back in jail.
1119
01:07:44,460 --> 01:07:46,540
And you'll find yourself
without your teeth, darling.
1120
01:07:46,596 --> 01:07:50,089
Don't, Troy, or you'll find
yourself in prison forever.
1121
01:07:50,166 --> 01:07:52,158
Her dad's Mr Justice Deed.
1122
01:08:03,780 --> 01:08:05,146
Why are you doing this?
1123
01:08:06,916 --> 01:08:09,078
I'm trying to keep my pension.
1124
01:08:10,653 --> 01:08:11,780
Yeah.
1125
01:08:15,658 --> 01:08:17,923
You're going about
it the wrong way, pal.
1126
01:08:29,205 --> 01:08:32,300
I hope this is a social call, Joe.
And not a rap over the knuckles.
1127
01:08:32,375 --> 01:08:34,867
It's always been in my
nature to keep quiet.
1128
01:08:34,944 --> 01:08:37,846
Hold my opinion. But
I can't do it any longer.
1129
01:08:38,314 --> 01:08:41,307
I shan't! Wretched weasels!
1130
01:08:43,152 --> 01:08:47,146
Reptiles. Oleaginous reptiles.
1131
01:08:49,025 --> 01:08:50,391
They passed me over.
1132
01:08:50,460 --> 01:08:55,524
I've just heard that they're
making Oliver Caldicott
1133
01:08:55,632 --> 01:08:58,500
a Law Lord, instead of me.
1134
01:08:58,568 --> 01:09:03,097
Oh, I see. Well, I
dare say there'll be
1135
01:09:03,172 --> 01:09:05,971
- other opportunities.
- Don't be absurd.
1136
01:09:06,743 --> 01:09:10,373
Caldicott is six years
younger than I am. Reptiles!
1137
01:09:13,416 --> 01:09:14,416
May I?
1138
01:09:14,517 --> 01:09:15,576
Yeah.
1139
01:09:16,586 --> 01:09:18,817
It seems to me, Joe, that the
less you accommodate them,
1140
01:09:18,888 --> 01:09:20,015
the more they respect you.
1141
01:09:20,089 --> 01:09:23,025
- I've been altogether too compliant.
- Well.
1142
01:09:24,927 --> 01:09:28,659
You do your best to keep their
whole shoddy system functioning
1143
01:09:28,731 --> 01:09:32,930
and they slap you in the teeth.
1144
01:09:33,036 --> 01:09:36,598
Charlie, your Charlie said
as much to me a year ago.
1145
01:09:37,006 --> 01:09:39,202
I couldn't see it, of course.
1146
01:09:40,109 --> 01:09:42,704
I gather you're
still having difficulty
1147
01:09:42,779 --> 01:09:45,374
identifying that
wretched informant.
1148
01:09:45,448 --> 01:09:48,316
Yes, there might almost be
a conspiracy to protect him.
1149
01:09:49,652 --> 01:09:56,286
He's deeply implicated
in police corruption.
1150
01:09:58,261 --> 01:10:01,459
His name is
Killick. David Killick.
1151
01:10:01,531 --> 01:10:05,093
Joe, how did you get that name?
1152
01:10:06,903 --> 01:10:11,705
I had to buy one of our
brethren several single malts.
1153
01:10:14,744 --> 01:10:17,714
Jo! Jo, is it true, Dad's
outted the informant?
1154
01:10:17,780 --> 01:10:20,140
His name is David Killick,
I've asked the judge to call him.
1155
01:10:20,183 --> 01:10:23,347
I hope you'll accept that the
possible death of this informant
1156
01:10:23,419 --> 01:10:25,581
will be on your
conscience, not mine.
1157
01:10:34,230 --> 01:10:35,823
A regular stroke
the squad pulled
1158
01:10:35,898 --> 01:10:38,367
was to stick it on someone
on the fringes of crime.
1159
01:10:40,036 --> 01:10:42,699
Often it was someone who
was causing them too much ache.
1160
01:10:44,140 --> 01:10:45,540
They did that all the time.
1161
01:10:46,542 --> 01:10:50,638
That's how Troy Romano came unstuck
when he give me Sonny McQueen to put up.
1162
01:10:50,747 --> 01:10:53,808
Sonny McQueen
being the person planted
1163
01:10:53,916 --> 01:10:55,976
to entrap Detective
Sergeant Romano?
1164
01:10:56,052 --> 01:10:59,420
Yes, sir. The trap
banged tight shut on him.
1165
01:11:00,189 --> 01:11:01,748
Tell me about Terry Rogers.
1166
01:11:02,458 --> 01:11:04,927
Troy Romano knew him all right.
1167
01:11:06,262 --> 01:11:10,029
Said he was just a life-wasting
smackhead. Not worth snot.
1168
01:11:10,833 --> 01:11:13,860
Always giving everyone
ache, trying to score all the time.
1169
01:11:15,037 --> 01:11:17,597
But, no, the police
didn't give me his details.
1170
01:11:19,175 --> 01:11:22,543
I put him in on information I got
about that robbery independently.
1171
01:11:22,612 --> 01:11:24,342
No, you can't. You can't have.
1172
01:11:24,413 --> 01:11:26,245
Silence in the court, please.
1173
01:11:26,349 --> 01:11:29,410
You really can't do
that. Sit down, please.
1174
01:11:31,087 --> 01:11:33,022
- I won't tolerate...
- What now, Jo?
1175
01:11:33,089 --> 01:11:34,455
Well, if you've
got a plastic bag,
1176
01:11:34,557 --> 01:11:36,992
I might be able to get
Romano to confess.
1177
01:11:37,059 --> 01:11:38,891
If I don't nail him, we're sunk.
1178
01:11:41,697 --> 01:11:44,633
David Killick gave us
Terry Rogers good as gold.
1179
01:11:45,768 --> 01:11:48,088
Everything else just added
up. That's how we ran the squad.
1180
01:11:48,137 --> 01:11:51,733
As efficient as Swiss time. They
were villains, we put them away.
1181
01:11:51,808 --> 01:11:56,212
Grassers gave us the body, we
made sure the evidence was there.
1182
01:11:56,312 --> 01:11:58,178
Had you had many
dealings with Mr Killick?
1183
01:11:58,247 --> 01:12:00,739
Oh, yeah. All the while.
1184
01:12:01,784 --> 01:12:02,928
At the start, he was a diamond,
1185
01:12:02,952 --> 01:12:06,013
his information helped us
hold back the swill of criminals.
1186
01:12:06,088 --> 01:12:08,148
Then why'd you fire
him as your informant?
1187
01:12:10,893 --> 01:12:13,089
It got so as he was
too keen to please us.
1188
01:12:14,730 --> 01:12:16,631
We noticed he
started naming villains
1189
01:12:16,732 --> 01:12:18,963
who he claimed were
into stuff big time.
1190
01:12:20,770 --> 01:12:22,102
It just wasn't adding up.
1191
01:12:23,873 --> 01:12:26,138
Did Mr Killick invent
Sonny McQueen?
1192
01:12:27,009 --> 01:12:31,003
The man you tried to convict for a
crime you knew he didn't commit,
1193
01:12:31,113 --> 01:12:33,173
one that resulted in
you going to prison.
1194
01:12:33,249 --> 01:12:35,809
I'm ashamed to say that I
did try and put it on Sonny.
1195
01:12:38,487 --> 01:12:40,786
He was an out-and-out villain
1196
01:12:40,857 --> 01:12:43,622
who tried to corrupt
me and other policemen.
1197
01:12:43,693 --> 01:12:46,424
I did overstep the mark
when I tired to put him away.
1198
01:12:49,098 --> 01:12:52,034
I did wrong when I tried to
see he got his just desserts.
1199
01:12:52,101 --> 01:12:55,560
According to the police file, Sonny
McQueen had no criminal record
1200
01:12:55,671 --> 01:12:58,607
and no connection
with criminal circles.
1201
01:12:58,708 --> 01:13:00,574
He was brought in by the police
1202
01:13:00,676 --> 01:13:04,010
who were investigating
corruption within your squad.
1203
01:13:04,113 --> 01:13:07,242
No. No, no.
1204
01:13:08,818 --> 01:13:13,256
Sonny's sheet was pulled by corrupt
detectives who were protecting him.
1205
01:13:13,689 --> 01:13:16,215
They wanted to put me away
because I was too efficient.
1206
01:13:16,292 --> 01:13:20,195
Other policemen wanted to
stop you doing your job well?
1207
01:13:20,263 --> 01:13:22,255
Too right, they did.
1208
01:13:22,331 --> 01:13:24,493
I was fitted up for
no other reason.
1209
01:13:27,270 --> 01:13:28,829
I'm an honest man
1210
01:13:30,339 --> 01:13:32,808
who made one mistake
that ended his career.
1211
01:13:32,909 --> 01:13:35,902
You ask anyone about my
career. It was exemplary.
1212
01:13:36,779 --> 01:13:39,010
So, all of your other
dealings with criminals
1213
01:13:39,115 --> 01:13:41,346
have been above board,
have they, Mr Romano?
1214
01:13:41,417 --> 01:13:42,441
You may sneer.
1215
01:13:44,620 --> 01:13:46,179
But I was a
hard-working policeman
1216
01:13:46,255 --> 01:13:48,451
who put a lot of
dangerous villains away.
1217
01:13:48,557 --> 01:13:52,085
- You'd do anything to stop them.
- You might not like what we did.
1218
01:13:53,863 --> 01:13:56,992
But that's how the likes
of you get to sleep easy.
1219
01:13:57,066 --> 01:14:00,366
By putting plastic bags over
the heads of innocent men?
1220
01:14:00,703 --> 01:14:04,037
Innocent? You pulling my chain?
1221
01:14:04,974 --> 01:14:07,739
So, when did you decide
that the defendant was guilty?
1222
01:14:08,377 --> 01:14:11,279
Was it before or
after he confessed?
1223
01:14:12,815 --> 01:14:15,444
- I knew from day one.
- What, you knew he was guilty
1224
01:14:15,551 --> 01:14:18,988
before you arrested him, before you
got him into that interrogation room?
1225
01:14:19,055 --> 01:14:20,751
Of course.
1226
01:14:20,823 --> 01:14:22,621
All I needed was his confession.
1227
01:14:22,692 --> 01:14:24,627
And it didn't matter
how you got it.
1228
01:14:24,694 --> 01:14:28,187
You try keeping the streets
safe from scum like him,
1229
01:14:28,264 --> 01:14:30,665
who'd do anything to
feed their vile habits.
1230
01:14:31,834 --> 01:14:34,246
And all the while, you've got
civil liberties' lawyers bleating,
1231
01:14:34,270 --> 01:14:36,671
"Unfair, unfair, unfair."
1232
01:14:36,739 --> 01:14:41,404
You want to save society?
There's a price to pay.
1233
01:14:41,510 --> 01:14:45,311
Only the likes of you, the nice
people with their clean hands,
1234
01:14:45,381 --> 01:14:46,849
they don't like the price.
1235
01:14:47,984 --> 01:14:50,715
You either have an efficient
police force left alone to do its job,
1236
01:14:50,786 --> 01:14:54,882
or a deteriorating,
crime-infested society.
1237
01:14:56,759 --> 01:14:59,251
Do you have any doubt about
that statement, Mr Romano?
1238
01:14:59,362 --> 01:15:00,362
None at all.
1239
01:15:03,499 --> 01:15:04,728
Thank you, my Lord.
1240
01:15:08,437 --> 01:15:12,670
Did David Killick give you information
that led you to arrest Denny McDowell?
1241
01:15:15,144 --> 01:15:16,144
Denny?
1242
01:15:18,147 --> 01:15:19,911
Yeah, he did.
1243
01:15:19,982 --> 01:15:22,952
Was he also someone you
needed to put away at any price
1244
01:15:23,019 --> 01:15:25,750
- to make the streets safe?
- Yeah.
1245
01:15:25,821 --> 01:15:29,952
By putting a plastic bag over
his head to make him confess?
1246
01:15:31,894 --> 01:15:34,022
It was all within
the rules, Judge.
1247
01:15:34,096 --> 01:15:37,931
Mr Romano, I'm not sure you're someone
capable of understanding the rules.
1248
01:15:38,934 --> 01:15:40,232
That's what I did.
1249
01:15:43,739 --> 01:15:47,506
I am going to make one last
attempt to get at the truth here.
1250
01:15:47,576 --> 01:15:50,740
I wouldn't lie. I'm an
honest man, Judge.
1251
01:15:50,813 --> 01:15:53,078
Perhaps at some
point you did want to be.
1252
01:15:53,149 --> 01:15:55,050
I can even believe that
deep down inside of you,
1253
01:15:55,151 --> 01:15:57,177
you still have that yearning.
1254
01:15:57,253 --> 01:15:59,654
I can't absolve
you for your crimes.
1255
01:15:59,755 --> 01:16:03,157
But I can promise to talk to the
Director of Public Prosecutions
1256
01:16:03,225 --> 01:16:05,694
about offering you
immunity from prosecution...
1257
01:16:05,795 --> 01:16:06,956
- My Lord!
- No, wait.
1258
01:16:08,664 --> 01:16:12,897
Immunity from prosecution
in exchange for the truth now.
1259
01:16:13,002 --> 01:16:15,267
This is the last opportunity
I'm gonna give you.
1260
01:16:17,073 --> 01:16:18,439
I told you the truth.
1261
01:16:18,507 --> 01:16:21,033
Then walk away, Mr Romano,
and take your chances.
1262
01:16:41,497 --> 01:16:42,795
Will I get immunity?
1263
01:16:42,865 --> 01:16:45,130
I shouldn't think it
would be a problem.
1264
01:16:47,837 --> 01:16:51,035
Did you put a plastic bag
over Terry Rogers' head?
1265
01:16:55,377 --> 01:16:57,539
It was the only way
to get him to talk.
1266
01:17:00,282 --> 01:17:02,842
He's about as worthless
as a man can be.
1267
01:17:04,553 --> 01:17:06,598
What does it matter if a
junkie like that goes to prison?
1268
01:17:06,622 --> 01:17:09,820
His very existence is an offence.
Prison is the best place for him.
1269
01:17:11,560 --> 01:17:14,655
Look at him now. We
straightened him out by nicking him.
1270
01:17:18,300 --> 01:17:20,098
Tell me about Denny McDowell.
1271
01:17:21,537 --> 01:17:24,097
Well, he wasn't up to much.
1272
01:17:24,173 --> 01:17:26,267
Why we tolerate such people...
1273
01:17:29,612 --> 01:17:32,275
Denny was a robber who
got away with it too often.
1274
01:17:32,348 --> 01:17:34,283
He deserved to go down.
1275
01:17:34,350 --> 01:17:38,344
So, the main plank of evidence
which Mr Killick provided
1276
01:17:38,420 --> 01:17:40,753
was an invention, wasn't it?
1277
01:17:40,823 --> 01:17:43,156
Back then, we were
doing a terrific job.
1278
01:17:44,393 --> 01:17:47,852
Then, they disband us, they put
me inside and now you got anarchy.
1279
01:17:49,598 --> 01:17:51,624
Cameras in the
streets don't stop it.
1280
01:17:51,700 --> 01:17:54,829
Criminals mustn't go to prison
for crimes they didn't commit.
1281
01:17:54,904 --> 01:17:56,429
But they were active, Judge!
1282
01:17:57,706 --> 01:18:00,039
We were fighting a war
against robbers in those days.
1283
01:18:00,109 --> 01:18:02,977
Just as we are against
terrorists nowadays.
1284
01:18:03,078 --> 01:18:06,810
And in war, you do what
you have to do to win.
1285
01:18:06,916 --> 01:18:09,977
You get on top of them
before they overwhelm you.
1286
01:18:10,052 --> 01:18:14,990
We have a system in this country
where the police collect the evidence.
1287
01:18:15,057 --> 01:18:19,392
The CPS evaluates it, the
barristers argue that evidence,
1288
01:18:19,461 --> 01:18:22,488
and then the jury
determines what the truth is.
1289
01:18:22,598 --> 01:18:25,898
We would find ourselves in an
increasingly dangerous situation
1290
01:18:26,001 --> 01:18:29,233
if we put all of those decisions
into the hands of one authority,
1291
01:18:29,305 --> 01:18:32,241
whether it's the police
or the Home Secretary.
1292
01:18:33,042 --> 01:18:36,501
Because that is the root of
dictatorship and totalitarianism.
1293
01:18:37,379 --> 01:18:38,870
And I won't have it.
1294
01:18:40,749 --> 01:18:42,479
I'll see counsel in chambers.
1295
01:18:44,119 --> 01:18:45,417
All rise.
1296
01:18:57,833 --> 01:18:59,802
Please sit down if you want to.
1297
01:19:00,836 --> 01:19:03,135
I'm going to recommend
to the Attorney General
1298
01:19:03,239 --> 01:19:06,539
that all cases involving Troy Romano,
where there is doubt, of course,
1299
01:19:06,642 --> 01:19:07,974
be thoroughly reassessed.
1300
01:19:08,077 --> 01:19:10,979
Personally, I doubt if any
of the convictions are safe.
1301
01:19:11,080 --> 01:19:13,948
Meanwhile, I'm
stopping this trial.
1302
01:19:14,016 --> 01:19:17,282
I'm going to direct the jury
to find Mr Rogers not guilty.
1303
01:19:17,353 --> 01:19:21,552
But the informant acquired incriminating
evidence on Rogers independently.
1304
01:19:21,624 --> 01:19:23,957
His evidence is as tainted
as the police evidence.
1305
01:19:24,026 --> 01:19:25,026
It's not worth the risk.
1306
01:19:28,631 --> 01:19:34,298
Will we be prosecuting each
of the policemen concerned?
1307
01:19:34,403 --> 01:19:36,099
Apart from Troy Romano, yes.
1308
01:19:37,339 --> 01:19:41,333
I hope you will permit me to
express before the jury how much we,
1309
01:19:41,443 --> 01:19:44,470
on behalf of the Crown,
agree with your decision.
1310
01:19:46,582 --> 01:19:48,380
Wouldn't miss it for
the world, Maurice.
1311
01:19:48,484 --> 01:19:51,784
Personally, I'd recommend
Romano for psychiatric examination.
1312
01:20:04,266 --> 01:20:05,710
- Congratulations!
- Well done!
1313
01:20:05,734 --> 01:20:07,225
That's wonderful news.
1314
01:20:07,736 --> 01:20:09,671
Well done, mate. We'll
see you in the pub, bye.
1315
01:20:10,339 --> 01:20:12,217
I don't know how I can
thank you enough, Mrs Mills.
1316
01:20:12,241 --> 01:20:13,732
You did, Mr Rogers.
1317
01:20:13,842 --> 01:20:16,073
Hang on one second. Kate!
1318
01:20:16,779 --> 01:20:21,149
- Thank you for staying for that.
- I hoped you'd go to prison.
1319
01:20:21,216 --> 01:20:23,208
Well, I though I
would for a moment.
1320
01:20:23,686 --> 01:20:26,121
But you didn't do
anything wrong, did you?
1321
01:20:29,124 --> 01:20:32,583
I left you and your mum. That was
about as wrong as anything I could do.
1322
01:20:34,963 --> 01:20:38,195
It was me who told
the police about you.
1323
01:20:39,835 --> 01:20:41,827
Couldn't have been
anyone else, could it?
1324
01:20:43,339 --> 01:20:45,274
Why aren't you mad at me?
1325
01:20:46,175 --> 01:20:48,371
Look, I want to get
out of this place.
1326
01:20:48,477 --> 01:20:50,117
Do you want to go
and get a cup of coffee?
1327
01:20:52,881 --> 01:20:53,881
Not now, Dad.
1328
01:21:01,924 --> 01:21:04,189
Sometimes it takes more
than one conversation.
1329
01:21:12,401 --> 01:21:14,393
The Lord Chancellor
and the Attorney General
1330
01:21:14,470 --> 01:21:16,871
are furious about the course
you've embarked upon.
1331
01:21:16,939 --> 01:21:19,431
Are you going to try
and turn me front it, Joe?
1332
01:21:19,508 --> 01:21:21,704
Not for a moment.
1333
01:21:22,311 --> 01:21:24,712
Maybe I am being a bit
too critical of the police.
1334
01:21:25,247 --> 01:21:26,340
Yes, you are.
1335
01:21:27,316 --> 01:21:29,114
I believe that an
effective police service
1336
01:21:29,184 --> 01:21:31,551
requires support
and encouragement,
1337
01:21:31,620 --> 01:21:33,589
not constant criticism.
1338
01:21:34,456 --> 01:21:37,756
We're all in need of
examples, not critics.
1339
01:21:38,761 --> 01:21:41,629
There's something else I called
about, the Denny McDowell appeal.
1340
01:21:42,765 --> 01:21:44,631
Some new facts
have come to light.
1341
01:21:51,740 --> 01:21:54,073
Mimi, come here, baby. Good dog.
1342
01:21:54,643 --> 01:21:56,077
Did you hear the news?
1343
01:21:56,145 --> 01:21:58,478
The Appeal Court ordered Denny
McDowell's immediate release
1344
01:21:58,547 --> 01:22:00,539
saying that his
conviction was unsafe.
1345
01:22:00,616 --> 01:22:03,745
- Calls for a celebration.
- Coffee's good, thanks.
1346
01:22:05,120 --> 01:22:06,918
I've still got work
to do tonight.
1347
01:22:07,656 --> 01:22:10,057
Back to TWOCs and shoplifting.
1348
01:22:10,192 --> 01:22:12,593
That's being a barrister, Chaz.
1349
01:22:12,661 --> 01:22:15,256
Don't know if I've
got the stamina, Dad.
1350
01:22:15,364 --> 01:22:17,356
I went to bed at 2 a.m.
and then had to schlep out
1351
01:22:17,433 --> 01:22:20,403
to Chelmsford Crown
Court for a bail application.
1352
01:22:23,071 --> 01:22:25,097
Why didn't Jo call
me about McDowell?
1353
01:22:27,709 --> 01:22:29,302
I saw her earlier with Michael.
1354
01:22:30,179 --> 01:22:33,172
- I don't think he's very happy.
- Can you wonder, poor lad.
1355
01:22:34,149 --> 01:22:36,311
What's gonna happen to
those corrupt policemen
1356
01:22:36,385 --> 01:22:38,411
- you said should be arrested?
- Nothing,
1357
01:22:38,520 --> 01:22:40,648
unless I issue a
warrant for their arrest.
1358
01:22:40,756 --> 01:22:43,783
Make myself even more
unpopular with the government.
1359
01:22:43,859 --> 01:22:45,919
When have you let
that stop you before?
1360
01:22:48,163 --> 01:22:49,163
I'll do it.
1361
01:22:50,265 --> 01:22:51,289
I'll do it.
1362
01:22:56,805 --> 01:23:00,242
Well, I'm not sure it's
such a good idea, Mrs Mills.
1363
01:23:00,309 --> 01:23:03,939
Judge shouldn't really meet with
a former defendant, you know that.
1364
01:23:04,046 --> 01:23:05,844
I can only ask, Mrs Cooper.
1365
01:23:08,183 --> 01:23:09,207
Come in.
1366
01:23:09,318 --> 01:23:11,981
- Mrs Mills and Michael, Judge.
- Hello.
1367
01:23:13,722 --> 01:23:16,191
We are going to see
The Wizard of Oz tonight.
1368
01:23:16,258 --> 01:23:18,318
We wondered if
you'd like to join us?
1369
01:23:19,027 --> 01:23:21,292
I'd love to, but I'm
afraid... Thanks, Coop.
1370
01:23:21,396 --> 01:23:23,160
I don't get on very
well with musicals.
1371
01:23:23,232 --> 01:23:26,794
I got very scared in one when
I was a kid and I had to leave.
1372
01:23:26,869 --> 01:23:30,636
I think you'd enjoy it.
We could hold your hands.
1373
01:23:32,641 --> 01:23:34,439
There's another
reason I'm here, John.
1374
01:23:34,510 --> 01:23:36,570
Terry Rogers wants
to ask you a favour.
1375
01:23:36,678 --> 01:23:38,056
I don't think that's
a very good idea.
1376
01:23:38,080 --> 01:23:39,080
It is important.
1377
01:23:39,781 --> 01:23:42,774
I can't see a defendant who's
acquittal I've just directed.
1378
01:23:43,685 --> 01:23:46,018
- He's waiting in court.
- Only for you.
1379
01:23:51,226 --> 01:23:54,219
All right, but only with Coop and
the court stenographer present.
1380
01:24:02,905 --> 01:24:03,998
Mr Rogers.
1381
01:24:07,009 --> 01:24:08,944
You have something
important you want to tell me?
1382
01:24:09,745 --> 01:24:10,745
Yes, sir.
1383
01:24:11,680 --> 01:24:15,879
I saw that you issued a warrant
for the arrest of those two policemen
1384
01:24:15,951 --> 01:24:18,386
and the one that retired.
1385
01:24:19,388 --> 01:24:21,653
I want to plead with
you not to go after them.
1386
01:24:22,658 --> 01:24:25,321
You'd have to give me a
very good reason why not.
1387
01:24:26,762 --> 01:24:29,163
Well, I can't give you
a reason in law, sir.
1388
01:24:31,433 --> 01:24:34,164
I know, in a sense, they
took away 16 years of my life,
1389
01:24:34,770 --> 01:24:36,830
me having to be on
the run all that time.
1390
01:24:37,873 --> 01:24:40,308
But, in another way,
they gave me back my life.
1391
01:24:40,409 --> 01:24:41,741
That wasn't their intention.
1392
01:24:43,946 --> 01:24:45,642
It may have been, sir.
1393
01:24:46,348 --> 01:24:48,180
Mr Craddock's
intention, at least.
1394
01:24:50,185 --> 01:24:52,017
It was him that
helped me to escape.
1395
01:24:54,222 --> 01:24:56,555
And what happened
as a result was that
1396
01:24:58,193 --> 01:24:59,320
I found myself.
1397
01:25:00,762 --> 01:25:03,698
I'm seeing Kate
again, and my ex-wife.
1398
01:25:03,799 --> 01:25:07,167
She said that she's seen something
in me she saw in the beginning.
1399
01:25:07,235 --> 01:25:11,036
They did put a plastic bag over
your head and force you to confess.
1400
01:25:12,140 --> 01:25:13,140
Yeah.
1401
01:25:18,046 --> 01:25:19,046
Dad.
1402
01:25:23,619 --> 01:25:25,520
But not to something
that I didn't do.
1403
01:25:26,521 --> 01:25:28,547
I was there on that robbery.
1404
01:25:31,326 --> 01:25:34,990
How I got there, I just don't
know. I was completely off my head.
1405
01:25:35,530 --> 01:25:37,008
I thought I'd gone there
to collect some drugs.
1406
01:25:37,032 --> 01:25:38,660
I know that's no excuse,
1407
01:25:41,903 --> 01:25:43,735
but I'm sorry I
said I wasn't guilty.
1408
01:25:44,740 --> 01:25:46,317
Having met Kate again,
I couldn't bear to wait
1409
01:25:46,341 --> 01:25:48,242
another 16 years
to get to know her.
1410
01:25:49,578 --> 01:25:53,106
It was she that persuaded
me to come and tell you.
1411
01:25:56,952 --> 01:25:58,511
Now you've been
acquitted, Mr Rogers,
1412
01:25:58,587 --> 01:26:01,267
there's nothing that I or anybody
else can do about your confession.
1413
01:26:02,791 --> 01:26:05,022
That doesn't absolve
their behaviour, though.
1414
01:26:06,161 --> 01:26:08,062
I was a very
different person then.
1415
01:26:08,163 --> 01:26:10,860
I'm sure they were very
different men when they
1416
01:26:10,966 --> 01:26:12,958
forced a plastic
bag over my head.
1417
01:26:14,703 --> 01:26:16,865
They were under
pressure to get results.
1418
01:26:16,938 --> 01:26:19,737
It's what society wanted, after
all, was to stop armed robberies.
1419
01:26:21,109 --> 01:26:22,873
Why did Craddock
help you to escape?
1420
01:26:25,881 --> 01:26:27,873
I gave him
1421
01:26:27,949 --> 01:26:30,418
the names of about
a dozen detectives
1422
01:26:30,519 --> 01:26:32,639
who were busting drug
dealers, confiscating their gear
1423
01:26:32,721 --> 01:26:34,553
and selling it back
to other dealers.
1424
01:26:36,758 --> 01:26:40,024
But I like to think
it wasn't just that.
1425
01:26:41,363 --> 01:26:44,356
Maybe he saw something in me that,
up to that point, I hadn't seen myself.
1426
01:26:44,433 --> 01:26:45,943
He must have had it in
him or he wouldn't have
1427
01:26:45,967 --> 01:26:48,801
risked his life to save
those two people like he did.
1428
01:26:49,905 --> 01:26:52,932
Someone gave me a
chance when I was on the run.
1429
01:26:53,041 --> 01:26:54,509
That's all any of us need.
1430
01:26:55,510 --> 01:26:57,741
The right chance and
a bit of compassion.
1431
01:26:59,481 --> 01:27:03,179
Well, there's only one way to put
your theory to the test, Mr Rogers.
1432
01:27:03,285 --> 01:27:04,617
And that's to set them free.
1433
01:27:18,366 --> 01:27:20,326
You'd never get another
ticket to The Wizard of Oz
1434
01:27:20,368 --> 01:27:22,462
at this short notice, anyway.
1435
01:27:25,841 --> 01:27:28,174
Time to face your fears, John.119469
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