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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:01,300 --> 00:00:04,267 Narrator: according to The bible, moses is one of 2 00:00:04,367 --> 00:00:07,033 The most important prophets In history. 3 00:00:07,133 --> 00:00:10,600 But what do we know about The actual man himself? 4 00:00:10,700 --> 00:00:12,800 Surprisingly very little. 5 00:00:12,900 --> 00:00:15,933 There seem to be no factual Accounts of moses 6 00:00:16,033 --> 00:00:17,233 And little evidence 7 00:00:17,333 --> 00:00:21,033 From archaeology or historical Records to prove 8 00:00:21,133 --> 00:00:23,367 The exodus story is true. 9 00:00:23,467 --> 00:00:26,700 Whether moses Is legend or fact, 10 00:00:26,800 --> 00:00:32,167 He is a towering figure In all abrahamic religions. 11 00:00:45,200 --> 00:00:46,900 Narrator: Academics, archaeologists, 12 00:00:47,000 --> 00:00:49,167 And historians debate Over when 13 00:00:49,267 --> 00:00:52,567 Moses lived and if He lived at all, 14 00:00:52,667 --> 00:00:54,700 Whether the stories of The ten commandments, 15 00:00:54,800 --> 00:00:58,167 The burning bush, and even The parting of the red sea 16 00:00:58,267 --> 00:00:59,267 Actually happened. 17 00:01:01,200 --> 00:01:03,300 Kirkpatrick: he performed Great acts of magic, 18 00:01:03,400 --> 00:01:07,067 Which he claimed were Miracles...Or were they? 19 00:01:08,200 --> 00:01:12,067 Boxall: is there a scientific Explanation behind this story? 20 00:01:13,167 --> 00:01:14,900 And the answer is, yes, We can do it very simply. 21 00:01:16,367 --> 00:01:19,400 Phillips: if my historical Research is correct, 22 00:01:19,500 --> 00:01:22,233 Then moses was the most Important person 23 00:01:22,333 --> 00:01:23,500 Who ever lived. 24 00:01:26,400 --> 00:01:36,300 * 25 00:01:36,400 --> 00:01:46,300 * 26 00:01:46,400 --> 00:01:54,967 * 27 00:01:55,067 --> 00:01:57,500 Narrator: moses is one of The most important figures 28 00:01:57,600 --> 00:01:58,733 In the old testament, 29 00:01:58,833 --> 00:02:00,533 According to the bible, 30 00:02:00,633 --> 00:02:03,167 But who is This mysterious character? 31 00:02:06,767 --> 00:02:08,167 Gough: moses was a prophet 32 00:02:08,267 --> 00:02:11,467 According to christianity And islam. 33 00:02:11,567 --> 00:02:13,167 The jury is still out on 34 00:02:13,267 --> 00:02:14,533 Whether he is a real, 35 00:02:14,633 --> 00:02:17,933 Historical figure Or mythological. 36 00:02:19,233 --> 00:02:20,867 Mcmahon: I mean, he may have Been a legendary figure. 37 00:02:20,967 --> 00:02:24,167 He may have been factual, But he's the most important 38 00:02:24,267 --> 00:02:26,400 Prophet in the old testament. 39 00:02:26,500 --> 00:02:29,267 You know, he writes the torah, The laws of god. 40 00:02:29,367 --> 00:02:31,767 He leads the israelites out Of egypt, 41 00:02:31,867 --> 00:02:34,067 Out of bondage To the promised land. 42 00:02:34,133 --> 00:02:37,667 And he is, among all The prophets, the most revered, 43 00:02:37,767 --> 00:02:38,900 The most important. 44 00:02:41,167 --> 00:02:46,300 [ singing in foreign language ] 45 00:02:46,400 --> 00:02:50,267 Young-somers: moses holds a very Important role in the three big 46 00:02:50,367 --> 00:02:51,733 Monotheistic faiths, 47 00:02:51,833 --> 00:02:56,867 As the archetype leader Certainly forms the majority 48 00:02:56,967 --> 00:02:59,467 Of the narrative through The five books of moses, 49 00:02:59,567 --> 00:03:02,533 Which are obviously cortex for Both jews and christians, 50 00:03:02,633 --> 00:03:04,667 Whether that's in the old Testament or in the hebrew 51 00:03:04,767 --> 00:03:07,733 Bible and torah, and then He's also considered a very 52 00:03:07,833 --> 00:03:10,433 Important prophet In islam, too, so, 53 00:03:10,533 --> 00:03:14,333 I think, a core figure for All the three abrahamic faiths. 54 00:03:18,233 --> 00:03:20,800 Narrator: the traditional story Is that moses was 55 00:03:20,900 --> 00:03:24,200 The son of a hebrew slave In ancient egypt. 56 00:03:24,300 --> 00:03:27,267 At the time, the pharaoh Feared his growing 57 00:03:27,367 --> 00:03:28,767 Hebrew population 58 00:03:28,867 --> 00:03:32,733 And ordered all of Their newborn boys to be slain. 59 00:03:32,833 --> 00:03:35,833 So to escape this fate, Moses's mother 60 00:03:35,933 --> 00:03:39,367 Hid her son in a basket And set it free on 61 00:03:39,467 --> 00:03:40,667 The river nile. 62 00:03:45,933 --> 00:03:48,167 Moses is found by no less A person than 63 00:03:48,267 --> 00:03:49,467 Pharaoh's daughter, 64 00:03:49,567 --> 00:03:52,767 Who brings him to the royal Palace, where he's brought up. 65 00:03:52,867 --> 00:03:55,367 Now, not only is that dramatic In terms of the context, 66 00:03:55,467 --> 00:03:58,267 But in terms of story-writing And symbol, that's the most 67 00:03:58,367 --> 00:03:59,233 Powerful you get, 68 00:03:59,333 --> 00:04:00,933 Because it's A transitional moment. 69 00:04:01,067 --> 00:04:04,633 It's liminal, he's moving from One world into the next world 70 00:04:04,733 --> 00:04:08,900 Through the water -- he's being Set up as a hero in the making. 71 00:04:09,067 --> 00:04:10,900 Narrator: As moses enters adulthood, 72 00:04:11,067 --> 00:04:13,433 He embarks on a troubling path, 73 00:04:13,533 --> 00:04:17,633 Torn between his egyptian Upbringing and his hebrew roots. 74 00:04:18,733 --> 00:04:21,567 Bianchi: moses, as this Adopted egyptian, 75 00:04:21,667 --> 00:04:26,367 Sees his people being Mistreated, and moses sees 76 00:04:26,467 --> 00:04:30,067 An egyptian overseer beat A hebrew worker. 77 00:04:31,667 --> 00:04:34,067 And moses waits for An opportune time, 78 00:04:35,367 --> 00:04:38,067 Goes up to the egyptian, And murders him. 79 00:04:40,533 --> 00:04:43,067 News of his murder 80 00:04:43,133 --> 00:04:46,867 Is on everybody's lips, And pharaoh starts 81 00:04:46,967 --> 00:04:48,200 To look for him. 82 00:04:49,667 --> 00:04:52,367 Narrator: moses escaped To the desert and led 83 00:04:52,467 --> 00:04:55,467 A simple life in exile As a shepherd. 84 00:04:55,567 --> 00:04:58,533 One day, while tending his Flock, he encountered 85 00:04:58,633 --> 00:05:01,433 A burning bush And the voice of god, 86 00:05:01,533 --> 00:05:04,867 Telling him to return to Egypt, confront the pharaoh, 87 00:05:04,967 --> 00:05:08,633 Free the hebrews, and take them To the promised land. 88 00:05:09,733 --> 00:05:11,600 To support moses's mission, 89 00:05:11,700 --> 00:05:15,067 God summons ten plagues To terrorize the pharaoh. 90 00:05:15,133 --> 00:05:22,067 * 91 00:05:22,133 --> 00:05:24,667 After agreeing to moses's terms, 92 00:05:24,767 --> 00:05:28,533 The pharaoh changed his mind And gave chase. 93 00:05:28,633 --> 00:05:31,700 With the hebrews trapped On the edge of the red sea, 94 00:05:31,800 --> 00:05:34,867 Moses used his staff To part the waves, 95 00:05:34,967 --> 00:05:37,067 Allowing the desperate group To escape. 96 00:05:39,900 --> 00:05:42,067 The egyptian army followed, 97 00:05:42,133 --> 00:05:45,067 But is engulfed By the violent waters. 98 00:05:45,167 --> 00:05:48,800 This allowed moses to lead His people to mount sinai, 99 00:05:48,900 --> 00:05:51,233 Where god gave him The ten commandments 100 00:05:51,333 --> 00:05:54,067 And then took his people To the promised land. 101 00:05:57,900 --> 00:06:01,267 Young-somers: moses is A flawed individual 102 00:06:01,367 --> 00:06:02,400 In the jewish tradition, 103 00:06:02,500 --> 00:06:04,933 But also the greatest leader That we've had. 104 00:06:05,067 --> 00:06:07,300 And I think moses's 105 00:06:07,400 --> 00:06:10,833 Flaws are -- Are, for me, 106 00:06:10,933 --> 00:06:12,467 An important part of The narrative, 107 00:06:12,567 --> 00:06:14,067 Because it teaches us that 108 00:06:14,167 --> 00:06:16,833 Even as flawed People ourselves, 109 00:06:16,933 --> 00:06:18,600 We can still make A difference. 110 00:06:18,700 --> 00:06:20,733 We can still contribute, And that 111 00:06:20,833 --> 00:06:22,733 God can still be in A relationship with us, 112 00:06:22,833 --> 00:06:24,133 Even though we make mistakes. 113 00:06:27,233 --> 00:06:30,900 Gough: by all accounts, Moses was a virtuous man, 114 00:06:31,067 --> 00:06:32,767 A man of his principles. 115 00:06:32,867 --> 00:06:35,933 He was dedicated -- No matter how difficult 116 00:06:36,067 --> 00:06:39,367 Or arduous the task That he was given, 117 00:06:39,467 --> 00:06:42,100 He did it, so he's become This sort of 118 00:06:42,200 --> 00:06:46,867 Inspirational figure who Wanted to do things his way 119 00:06:46,967 --> 00:06:50,700 No matter what the established Norm was at that time. 120 00:06:53,733 --> 00:06:56,200 Narrator: for such a central Religious figure, 121 00:06:56,300 --> 00:07:00,667 The lack of evidence around Him is, well, outstanding. 122 00:07:00,767 --> 00:07:03,300 There are no archaeological Findings to support 123 00:07:03,400 --> 00:07:04,633 The biblical story 124 00:07:04,733 --> 00:07:07,533 And certainly no extra Biblical references 125 00:07:07,633 --> 00:07:10,067 In egyptian inscriptions. 126 00:07:10,100 --> 00:07:13,767 The absence of proof is a huge Problem for historians, 127 00:07:13,867 --> 00:07:16,167 Archaeologists, And academics. 128 00:07:20,133 --> 00:07:23,100 There is strangely No evidence that moses 129 00:07:23,200 --> 00:07:25,367 Was a historical figure, And I say strangely, 130 00:07:25,467 --> 00:07:28,067 Because the egyptians Were so good at keeping records, 131 00:07:28,133 --> 00:07:31,367 And to not have a record there Is interesting. 132 00:07:31,467 --> 00:07:34,300 We even have records of people Who -- whose records were 133 00:07:34,400 --> 00:07:35,800 Effaced, like hatshepsut 134 00:07:35,900 --> 00:07:38,233 When she was stricken From records by her son 135 00:07:38,333 --> 00:07:39,833 After he came to power. 136 00:07:39,933 --> 00:07:42,333 We know that that happened, But we have nothing on moses. 137 00:07:44,967 --> 00:07:50,100 Like many, many great, Epic tales, 138 00:07:50,200 --> 00:07:52,067 There might be 139 00:07:52,100 --> 00:07:54,167 Just a kernel of truth 140 00:07:54,267 --> 00:07:57,433 Upon whom the character Of moses is based, 141 00:07:57,533 --> 00:07:59,733 And I'm not prepared 142 00:07:59,833 --> 00:08:02,767 To dismiss him out of hand. 143 00:08:02,867 --> 00:08:06,133 Although, When you study traditions, 144 00:08:06,233 --> 00:08:07,767 You understand that... 145 00:08:08,833 --> 00:08:12,167 History has a chance of being 146 00:08:12,267 --> 00:08:15,167 Morphed into something Larger than life. 147 00:08:17,933 --> 00:08:22,467 Gough: now those who believe It is a authentic story 148 00:08:22,567 --> 00:08:25,700 That the israelites Were held captive in egypt 149 00:08:25,800 --> 00:08:30,933 And left in the exodus Point us to different locations 150 00:08:31,067 --> 00:08:33,633 And different periods in time, 151 00:08:33,733 --> 00:08:37,533 Which is why we don't find The evidence we think we should. 152 00:08:39,200 --> 00:08:43,067 Narrator: so where can we find Evidence for the real moses? 153 00:08:43,100 --> 00:08:45,067 And what controversial Theories are 154 00:08:45,167 --> 00:08:48,433 Given to explain His supernatural powers? 155 00:08:54,267 --> 00:08:59,533 * 156 00:08:59,633 --> 00:09:01,567 Narrator: did the legendary Biblical figure 157 00:09:01,667 --> 00:09:03,933 Of moses really exist? 158 00:09:04,067 --> 00:09:07,267 Archaeological evidence has Yet to unearth any proof of 159 00:09:07,367 --> 00:09:08,800 His life, or even that 160 00:09:08,900 --> 00:09:11,933 Of his followers In egypt or in the deserts of 161 00:09:12,067 --> 00:09:14,067 The sinai peninsula. 162 00:09:14,167 --> 00:09:16,700 Yet there are tantalizing Clues in the story of 163 00:09:16,800 --> 00:09:20,133 Something that may be more Than mere folk tale. 164 00:09:20,233 --> 00:09:24,067 For a start, there is The name moses itself. 165 00:09:28,100 --> 00:09:32,700 Bianchi: the name moses can Etymologically be related 166 00:09:32,800 --> 00:09:34,400 To the egyptian, 167 00:09:34,500 --> 00:09:38,133 The ancient egyptian verb, Meaning "To be born." 168 00:09:38,233 --> 00:09:43,500 And so, in a sense, if you Want to take an egyptian slant, 169 00:09:43,600 --> 00:09:46,767 Moses has an egyptian name, Because, quote, 170 00:09:46,867 --> 00:09:49,067 "He was born out of the water." 171 00:09:54,100 --> 00:09:56,700 Mcmahon: the old testament Tells us that moses was 172 00:09:56,800 --> 00:10:00,000 A fourth generation egyptian, I mean, this is 173 00:10:00,100 --> 00:10:03,200 Essentially a citizen Of ancient egypt, 174 00:10:03,300 --> 00:10:06,200 As were most of the jewish People that he led out 175 00:10:06,300 --> 00:10:07,300 Of bondage. 176 00:10:07,400 --> 00:10:10,800 So if we'd met moses, We'd have met essentially 177 00:10:10,900 --> 00:10:14,133 An ancient egyptian By appearance, 178 00:10:14,233 --> 00:10:16,800 Possibly even by language, By culture. 179 00:10:19,600 --> 00:10:22,633 Narrator: although he led The hebrews out of slavery, 180 00:10:22,733 --> 00:10:25,067 Moses's egyptian link might 181 00:10:25,167 --> 00:10:27,267 Be stronger Than the bible reveals. 182 00:10:28,667 --> 00:10:31,233 Interestingly, his story Has a strange echo 183 00:10:31,333 --> 00:10:34,333 Of the life of egyptian Pharaoh akhenaten, 184 00:10:34,433 --> 00:10:36,900 The first monotheist Known to history. 185 00:10:38,067 --> 00:10:41,833 Author and egyptologist Ahmed osman has written 186 00:10:41,933 --> 00:10:45,400 Several books outlining His belief that moses was 187 00:10:45,500 --> 00:10:46,800 Akhenaten. 188 00:11:18,400 --> 00:11:23,567 Akhenaten reigned From 1352 to 1338 bc 189 00:11:23,667 --> 00:11:26,900 And proclaimed that there Was only one true god, 190 00:11:27,067 --> 00:11:29,200 Aten, the sun disc. 191 00:11:29,300 --> 00:11:31,500 All others were false. 192 00:11:31,600 --> 00:11:35,633 But when akhenaten died, the old Religious system revived 193 00:11:35,733 --> 00:11:37,267 And then obliterated 194 00:11:37,367 --> 00:11:40,900 Akhenaten's memory And that of his son and heir, 195 00:11:41,067 --> 00:11:42,133 Tutankhamun. 196 00:11:44,067 --> 00:11:47,433 Mcmahon: you could rightly call Akhenaten the heretic pharaoh, 197 00:11:47,533 --> 00:11:51,433 Because he rejects The official religion, 198 00:11:51,533 --> 00:11:53,933 The state religion Of ancient egypt, 199 00:11:54,067 --> 00:11:56,400 I mean, which was hugely Important to people. 200 00:11:56,500 --> 00:11:58,467 I mean, They governed their lives 201 00:11:58,567 --> 00:12:00,633 By what they thought The gods wanted. 202 00:12:00,733 --> 00:12:03,400 Akhenaten comes along. He throws all that out. 203 00:12:03,500 --> 00:12:07,300 He goes to war against thebes And the temples of luxor 204 00:12:07,400 --> 00:12:08,367 And memphis, 205 00:12:08,467 --> 00:12:10,833 Against all the priests, He sends in his soldiers 206 00:12:10,933 --> 00:12:15,067 To smash up statues, To hack faces off the temples. 207 00:12:15,133 --> 00:12:17,167 I mean, this is An extraordinary, 208 00:12:17,267 --> 00:12:20,100 Short-lived period In egyptian history. 209 00:12:22,233 --> 00:12:24,533 Narrator: but can This mysterious pharaoh really 210 00:12:24,633 --> 00:12:26,167 Be the historical moses? 211 00:12:27,300 --> 00:12:29,100 Was akhenaten's religion 212 00:12:29,200 --> 00:12:31,567 The forerunner to The abrahamic faiths? 213 00:12:33,767 --> 00:12:37,567 It's possible that moses was Inspired by akhenaten in -- 214 00:12:37,667 --> 00:12:40,167 In some ways and ran with it And changed it, 215 00:12:40,267 --> 00:12:42,367 Turned it on its head. 216 00:12:42,467 --> 00:12:45,067 But we really don't know, 217 00:12:45,167 --> 00:12:48,200 And I think the monotheistic Thing is overplayed. 218 00:12:48,300 --> 00:12:50,067 The similarities Are overplayed. 219 00:12:52,067 --> 00:12:57,200 Bianchi: the israelites Are not monotheists 220 00:12:57,300 --> 00:13:00,933 Until after They leave israel 221 00:13:01,067 --> 00:13:05,267 And form A national covenant. 222 00:13:05,367 --> 00:13:07,400 So here, you know, You're putting the horse 223 00:13:07,500 --> 00:13:09,633 In front of the wagon Or behind the wagon, 224 00:13:09,733 --> 00:13:12,933 Okay, he's not a monotheist Until they get to 225 00:13:13,067 --> 00:13:14,067 The promised land, 226 00:13:14,133 --> 00:13:15,967 And they don't get To the promised land 227 00:13:16,067 --> 00:13:18,500 Until after moses is dead. 228 00:13:18,600 --> 00:13:21,800 So trying to connect Those dots just ignores 229 00:13:21,900 --> 00:13:24,067 All of the evidence As we know it. 230 00:13:26,967 --> 00:13:29,900 Narrator: even if akhenaten Is not the real moses, 231 00:13:30,067 --> 00:13:32,800 Some experts believe There is still a link. 232 00:13:34,633 --> 00:13:36,533 By researching the bible And writings 233 00:13:36,633 --> 00:13:39,433 Of the ancient jewish Historian josephus, 234 00:13:39,533 --> 00:13:43,400 Author and historian graham Phillips agrees that akhenaten 235 00:13:43,500 --> 00:13:45,133 Is not moses, 236 00:13:45,233 --> 00:13:47,500 But his brother, thutmosis. 237 00:13:49,667 --> 00:13:54,167 Phillips: thutmosis was A prince in the court. 238 00:13:54,267 --> 00:13:57,233 Thutmosis was also A leading general. 239 00:13:57,333 --> 00:13:58,867 He was, in fact, In charge of 240 00:13:58,967 --> 00:14:02,600 All the king's chariot forces, And thutmosis 241 00:14:02,700 --> 00:14:06,933 Also acted for a while As the grand vizier, 242 00:14:07,067 --> 00:14:10,200 The prime minister, The chief minister of egypt. 243 00:14:12,533 --> 00:14:14,933 All of those things 244 00:14:15,067 --> 00:14:18,833 We are told by josephus And also 245 00:14:18,933 --> 00:14:23,833 Partly in the bible, Applied to moses -- moses, 246 00:14:23,933 --> 00:14:25,400 We are told, 247 00:14:25,500 --> 00:14:30,667 Was exiled from egypt, And exactly the same thing 248 00:14:30,767 --> 00:14:32,900 Happens to thutmosis. 249 00:14:33,067 --> 00:14:34,533 He was exiled from egypt. 250 00:14:34,633 --> 00:14:36,967 We know this, because Archaeologists have discovered 251 00:14:37,067 --> 00:14:39,500 A tomb prepared for him, 252 00:14:39,600 --> 00:14:40,833 But it was never used. 253 00:14:42,067 --> 00:14:44,967 And the only conclusion that People have come to, because 254 00:14:45,067 --> 00:14:46,500 They can find no records of him 255 00:14:46,600 --> 00:14:52,167 Dying in office, is that He was exiled. 256 00:14:52,267 --> 00:14:53,367 Once again, 257 00:14:53,467 --> 00:14:58,067 Moses and thutmosis are living Almost identical lives 258 00:14:58,100 --> 00:15:00,600 At exactly the same time. 259 00:15:01,533 --> 00:15:04,800 Narrator: whether or not moses Was, in fact, a well-documented 260 00:15:04,900 --> 00:15:06,233 Egyptian leader, 261 00:15:06,333 --> 00:15:09,633 His story goes on To tell of fantastic miracles. 262 00:15:12,433 --> 00:15:16,133 Could the story of the burning Bush really have happened? 263 00:15:16,233 --> 00:15:19,767 And could mind-altering Substances have generated 264 00:15:19,867 --> 00:15:21,367 Moses's visions? 265 00:15:29,400 --> 00:15:30,933 Narrator: The historical existence of 266 00:15:31,067 --> 00:15:34,600 The biblical prophet moses Might be debatable, 267 00:15:34,700 --> 00:15:38,333 But as the traditional story Goes, after he was exiled 268 00:15:38,433 --> 00:15:40,967 In the desert wilderness For decades, 269 00:15:41,067 --> 00:15:43,667 A miraculous encounter Changed his life. 270 00:15:45,667 --> 00:15:47,933 The story goes That on mount horeb, 271 00:15:48,067 --> 00:15:53,433 Moses saw a burning bush, Which was, in fact, god 272 00:15:53,533 --> 00:15:55,900 Speaking to him, telling him, 273 00:15:56,067 --> 00:16:00,467 Instructing him to take The israelites out of egypt 274 00:16:00,567 --> 00:16:02,067 To the promised land. 275 00:16:03,700 --> 00:16:05,067 Mcmahon: the burning bush is -- Is what 276 00:16:05,167 --> 00:16:07,867 Movie makers call An inciting incident. 277 00:16:07,967 --> 00:16:09,633 It's that plot point. 278 00:16:09,733 --> 00:16:12,800 It's that moment In the story of moses 279 00:16:12,900 --> 00:16:15,100 When he's got to go On his quest. 280 00:16:15,200 --> 00:16:17,767 The burning bush is What makes it all happen. 281 00:16:22,600 --> 00:16:25,667 Narrator: this fantastic vision Was traditionally seen as 282 00:16:25,767 --> 00:16:26,900 A miracle, 283 00:16:27,067 --> 00:16:30,500 But some believe there is A radical alternative theory. 284 00:16:31,700 --> 00:16:33,333 Doblin: I think moses Could very well have been 285 00:16:33,433 --> 00:16:35,633 Using psychedelics -- We don't know for sure, 286 00:16:35,733 --> 00:16:37,567 But I think it's Entirely possible. 287 00:16:39,867 --> 00:16:41,533 Narrator: Rick doblin is the founder 288 00:16:41,633 --> 00:16:44,867 Of the association for Psychedelic studies. 289 00:16:44,967 --> 00:16:46,800 He believes moses Could have used 290 00:16:46,900 --> 00:16:50,067 Mind-altering drugs To generate his visions. 291 00:16:53,767 --> 00:16:57,267 Doblin: so the burning bush, To me, represents a not uncommon 292 00:16:57,367 --> 00:16:58,700 Experience that people have 293 00:16:58,800 --> 00:17:00,400 Under the influence Of psychedelics, 294 00:17:00,500 --> 00:17:04,600 Where they look at nature, and They realize that it's alive. 295 00:17:04,700 --> 00:17:06,367 It's got energy in it. 296 00:17:06,467 --> 00:17:08,967 And so the course of Energy through 297 00:17:09,067 --> 00:17:12,600 This plant could be Interpreted as fire. 298 00:17:15,067 --> 00:17:19,200 And so my interpretation of That event was that it was more 299 00:17:19,300 --> 00:17:20,633 That, uh, you know, 300 00:17:20,733 --> 00:17:23,267 Moses saw the inner fire, And that if we could see 301 00:17:23,367 --> 00:17:26,633 The energy, we might Interpret it as fire. 302 00:17:28,400 --> 00:17:32,300 Narrator: in fact, nature might Provide another explanation. 303 00:17:34,267 --> 00:17:38,433 In the area where this is Said to have occurred, 304 00:17:38,533 --> 00:17:40,667 There grows acacia wood. 305 00:17:40,767 --> 00:17:44,500 And if you burn acacia wood Or an acacia tree burns 306 00:17:44,600 --> 00:17:46,567 And you're close enough To inhale the smoke, 307 00:17:46,667 --> 00:17:48,800 You will hallucinate. 308 00:17:49,967 --> 00:17:53,067 Narrator: This is because acacia bark 309 00:17:53,133 --> 00:17:56,100 Contains a substance Called dmt, 310 00:17:56,200 --> 00:17:58,500 Or dimethyltryptamine, Which is 311 00:17:58,600 --> 00:18:00,367 A powerful hallucinogenic. 312 00:18:02,533 --> 00:18:05,067 Mcmahon: it's even suggested That moses was a kind of 313 00:18:05,167 --> 00:18:06,467 Shaman-type figure 314 00:18:06,567 --> 00:18:09,467 Who may have known this And set the bush alight in 315 00:18:09,567 --> 00:18:12,400 Order to have that kind Of experience, 316 00:18:12,500 --> 00:18:14,667 That communing With the spiritual 317 00:18:14,767 --> 00:18:17,133 That only basically A narcotic-driven high 318 00:18:17,233 --> 00:18:18,167 Could've given him. 319 00:18:19,433 --> 00:18:22,300 Narrator: but is this really An outlandish theory? 320 00:18:22,400 --> 00:18:25,800 Artificial methods to achieve Spiritual enlightenment 321 00:18:25,900 --> 00:18:27,300 Have been used by cultures 322 00:18:27,400 --> 00:18:30,267 All across the world For thousands of years. 323 00:18:32,633 --> 00:18:34,967 Doblin: I think they're -- Psychedelics were seen 324 00:18:35,067 --> 00:18:36,933 As powerful tools to 325 00:18:37,067 --> 00:18:38,400 Help us get out of Our, sort of, 326 00:18:38,500 --> 00:18:41,533 Ego identification, Our sense of self, 327 00:18:41,633 --> 00:18:44,667 And that there has been A reason for people to do 328 00:18:44,767 --> 00:18:46,733 Various things in terms of 329 00:18:46,833 --> 00:18:50,867 Drumming or fasting, Vision quests, 330 00:18:50,967 --> 00:18:55,567 And so I would imagine That psychedelics could be 331 00:18:55,667 --> 00:18:58,333 Something that was Appreciated by moses 332 00:18:58,433 --> 00:19:00,367 And people around That time. 333 00:19:03,533 --> 00:19:05,933 Picknett: that could have been A completely pivotal moment 334 00:19:06,067 --> 00:19:07,700 In several great religions, 335 00:19:07,800 --> 00:19:10,967 And it might all have been Due to burning bark. 336 00:19:12,567 --> 00:19:15,767 Bianchi: so there's nothing In the biblical account 337 00:19:15,867 --> 00:19:19,067 To suggest That he's eating or... 338 00:19:19,167 --> 00:19:22,067 Inhaling or... Uh... 339 00:19:22,133 --> 00:19:23,500 Hallucinogens, 340 00:19:23,600 --> 00:19:26,167 So I -- I take 341 00:19:26,267 --> 00:19:27,667 Scripture literally. 342 00:19:27,767 --> 00:19:29,200 He's watching a slot. 343 00:19:29,300 --> 00:19:30,233 He sees something. 344 00:19:30,333 --> 00:19:31,667 He goes over to investigate 345 00:19:31,767 --> 00:19:35,067 And gets the conversation With the almighty. 346 00:19:37,067 --> 00:19:39,967 Narrator: aside from talking To god in the burning bush, 347 00:19:40,067 --> 00:19:41,400 There are still Other miracles 348 00:19:41,500 --> 00:19:44,233 Moses is said to have Performed, such as parting 349 00:19:44,333 --> 00:19:45,967 The red sea. 350 00:19:46,067 --> 00:19:47,533 It is not surprising that such 351 00:19:47,633 --> 00:19:51,500 An unbelievable tale Raises debate among scholars. 352 00:19:54,700 --> 00:19:58,500 The miraculous crossing Of the red sea has to be 353 00:19:58,600 --> 00:20:01,167 The most -- one of the most Stunning, incredible events 354 00:20:01,267 --> 00:20:03,100 In the old testament. 355 00:20:03,200 --> 00:20:06,700 It's the fact that moses Is able to lead 356 00:20:06,800 --> 00:20:08,767 The jewish people, The israelites, 357 00:20:08,867 --> 00:20:11,967 Out of egypt through what Seems like an impossible 358 00:20:12,067 --> 00:20:13,167 Stretch of water. 359 00:20:13,267 --> 00:20:16,733 And then, as the egyptians Come chasing after them, 360 00:20:16,833 --> 00:20:20,633 God closes the sea in on Pharaoh and his hundreds of 361 00:20:20,733 --> 00:20:22,267 Chariots, drowning them all. 362 00:20:25,067 --> 00:20:27,767 Narrator: but could this really Have happened in the red sea 363 00:20:27,867 --> 00:20:28,833 We know today? 364 00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:31,700 The very name of The body of water 365 00:20:31,800 --> 00:20:35,300 Moses crossed may have been Mistakenly identified 366 00:20:35,400 --> 00:20:36,400 For centuries. 367 00:20:38,700 --> 00:20:42,167 I'm not entirely sure where The mistranslation of "Red sea" 368 00:20:42,267 --> 00:20:44,100 Comes from -- it's in hebrew, Yam suph, 369 00:20:44,200 --> 00:20:45,367 Which is reed sea. 370 00:20:47,000 --> 00:20:50,100 It may have bean that someone Wrote "Reed sea," 371 00:20:50,200 --> 00:20:52,633 And then it was missed out, 372 00:20:52,733 --> 00:20:54,567 The e got dropped, And actually, in hebrew, 373 00:20:54,667 --> 00:20:55,800 That happens quite frequently 374 00:20:55,900 --> 00:20:59,167 That manuscripts would have Been repeatedly written down 375 00:20:59,267 --> 00:21:01,933 By hand, and little errors Will creep in. 376 00:21:03,100 --> 00:21:05,800 I think red sea will be pretty Hard to get rid of now. 377 00:21:05,900 --> 00:21:09,200 It's pretty much embedded In how we tell the story. 378 00:21:09,300 --> 00:21:12,200 Narrator: regardless of whether Moses crossed the red sea 379 00:21:12,300 --> 00:21:14,667 Or the reed sea, 380 00:21:14,767 --> 00:21:18,133 Can science proved he was Capable of parting the waves? 381 00:21:27,367 --> 00:21:30,267 Narrator: the bible tells us That moses led his followers 382 00:21:30,367 --> 00:21:33,700 To safety by parting The waters of the red sea. 383 00:21:34,833 --> 00:21:37,833 But could the fantastical Event really have happened in 384 00:21:37,933 --> 00:21:42,067 The red sea we know today or Another nearby body of water? 385 00:21:43,633 --> 00:21:45,967 Simon boxall Is an oceanographer 386 00:21:46,067 --> 00:21:49,133 From southampton university In england. 387 00:21:49,233 --> 00:21:52,233 He evaluates the modern Scientific ideas 388 00:21:52,333 --> 00:21:54,633 That explain this mysterious Sea crossing. 389 00:21:54,733 --> 00:22:01,833 * 390 00:22:01,933 --> 00:22:05,200 Boxall: there are many theories That go with this story. 391 00:22:06,367 --> 00:22:07,567 One is that around 392 00:22:07,667 --> 00:22:11,767 About the same time, we know That there was a huge explosion, 393 00:22:11,867 --> 00:22:15,633 Volcanic explosion, Eruption, on santorini, 394 00:22:15,733 --> 00:22:18,967 And that basically caused A huge tsunami. 395 00:22:19,067 --> 00:22:21,533 And one theory is that It was a tsunami that 396 00:22:21,633 --> 00:22:24,500 Came at just the right time To allow them to cross. 397 00:22:24,600 --> 00:22:28,400 Now the theory there is flawed, It's flawed for two reasons. 398 00:22:28,500 --> 00:22:31,367 One is, if you look at models Of the tsunami that would have 399 00:22:31,467 --> 00:22:33,767 Occurred, then the island chain, 400 00:22:33,867 --> 00:22:36,800 Crete, to the south off Santorini, would have protected 401 00:22:36,900 --> 00:22:39,333 The egyptian coast, And the biggest tsunami that 402 00:22:39,433 --> 00:22:40,533 Would've got there would have Been about a meter, 403 00:22:40,633 --> 00:22:42,200 A meter and 1/2, 404 00:22:42,300 --> 00:22:44,933 And when a tsunami hits, 405 00:22:45,067 --> 00:22:48,333 The tide or the water can Recede for a short while 406 00:22:48,433 --> 00:22:50,567 And then come back in again. 407 00:22:50,667 --> 00:22:53,267 That's great -- The problem with that is, 408 00:22:53,367 --> 00:22:55,467 That it only happens For about five minutes, 409 00:22:55,567 --> 00:22:58,233 And you're not going To get an entire army 410 00:22:58,333 --> 00:23:02,600 Or population across that sort Of causeway in that period. 411 00:23:04,067 --> 00:23:06,267 A second theory That's put down is that 412 00:23:06,367 --> 00:23:09,400 The bible talks about Strong winds from the east. 413 00:23:10,867 --> 00:23:13,833 The idea that the wind Literally blows the sea 414 00:23:13,933 --> 00:23:15,967 And creates A pileup somewhere, 415 00:23:16,067 --> 00:23:18,267 Which means you then get A sort of gap somewhere else, 416 00:23:18,367 --> 00:23:20,100 Is flawed -- It's flawed 417 00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:22,500 Because the effect Isn't that great. 418 00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:24,900 You're not going to suddenly Clear a causeway 419 00:23:25,067 --> 00:23:26,200 As a result of that setdown. 420 00:23:29,867 --> 00:23:32,567 Narrator: back in his lab, Simon demonstrates how 421 00:23:32,667 --> 00:23:35,467 He believes the sea crossing Really took place. 422 00:23:40,067 --> 00:23:42,633 Boxall: I think the reason That the seas parted 423 00:23:42,733 --> 00:23:45,067 Was because of a seiche effect. 424 00:23:45,133 --> 00:23:46,933 Now that sounds very technical, But actually it's 425 00:23:47,067 --> 00:23:49,733 Something that happens around The world every single day, 426 00:23:49,833 --> 00:23:51,133 And it's... 427 00:23:51,233 --> 00:23:55,267 An event hitting the natural Frequency of a basin. 428 00:23:55,367 --> 00:23:58,400 That also sounds complex, But we've done it as kids. 429 00:23:58,500 --> 00:23:59,733 If we lay back in the bath 430 00:23:59,833 --> 00:24:01,567 And rock backwards And forwards at just 431 00:24:01,667 --> 00:24:02,933 The right speed, 432 00:24:03,067 --> 00:24:04,500 Then we suddenly take The water with us, 433 00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:06,533 And we can actually Effectively empty half a ton 434 00:24:06,633 --> 00:24:09,133 Of water onto the floor Very efficiently. 435 00:24:09,233 --> 00:24:10,767 You could do that From splashing, 436 00:24:10,867 --> 00:24:13,567 And that's because we're Hitting the critical frequency, 437 00:24:13,667 --> 00:24:16,200 And we can see that in A very simple experiment here. 438 00:24:16,300 --> 00:24:19,433 We have a bottle of water, And that bottle of water, 439 00:24:19,533 --> 00:24:21,400 You can imagine That is your red sea, 440 00:24:21,500 --> 00:24:24,300 And actually, I can sort of Create disturbances, 441 00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:26,333 And I can create waves -- It splashes around a bit. 442 00:24:26,433 --> 00:24:27,867 Yeah, storms happen. 443 00:24:27,967 --> 00:24:29,667 But actually, if I hit The right frequency, 444 00:24:29,767 --> 00:24:31,400 If I can just find The frequency in that bottle, 445 00:24:31,500 --> 00:24:35,067 And I move it very gently, Side to side, then effectively, 446 00:24:35,100 --> 00:24:38,300 I'm like the child in The bath, emptying the bath out. 447 00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:41,933 And suddenly, you've gone From a tide out here, 448 00:24:42,067 --> 00:24:44,833 Which is maybe Two or three feet, 449 00:24:44,933 --> 00:24:48,533 To a tide in here, Which could be 60 feet. 450 00:24:48,633 --> 00:24:50,300 Now that doesn't happen In the red sea, 451 00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:53,467 But we know the fact that The tide at the top of 452 00:24:53,567 --> 00:24:55,900 The channel of the red sea, 453 00:24:56,067 --> 00:24:59,900 The suez channel, go from One or two feet outside, 454 00:25:00,067 --> 00:25:02,067 Inside the channel, At the top of the channel, 455 00:25:02,167 --> 00:25:04,133 They go almost 15 feet. 456 00:25:04,233 --> 00:25:07,900 That's a huge difference -- If you come from a culture that 457 00:25:08,067 --> 00:25:10,200 Only sees tides on The mediterranean along 458 00:25:10,300 --> 00:25:11,833 The red sea coast of 459 00:25:11,933 --> 00:25:13,400 A few -- one or two feet, 460 00:25:13,500 --> 00:25:15,767 You're not prepared for These huge tides, 461 00:25:15,867 --> 00:25:18,467 Which are over ten times As big. 462 00:25:19,567 --> 00:25:21,767 And that big Four-meter tide 463 00:25:21,867 --> 00:25:24,300 Was more than sufficient To wipe out an army. 464 00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:28,467 Narrator: while nature May have allowed the hebrews 465 00:25:28,567 --> 00:25:30,067 To cross the sea, 466 00:25:30,167 --> 00:25:32,433 Simon thinks moses May possibly have 467 00:25:32,533 --> 00:25:34,200 Had an important role to play. 468 00:25:39,267 --> 00:25:41,733 Boxall: what moses might have Done, if he's observant 469 00:25:41,833 --> 00:25:43,933 And canny, was observe 470 00:25:44,067 --> 00:25:46,800 That the tides existed, The tides were high, 471 00:25:46,900 --> 00:25:50,367 That actually he had a narrow Window, but enough of a window, 472 00:25:50,467 --> 00:25:52,367 To lead his people to safety 473 00:25:52,467 --> 00:25:53,767 And to actually Not only do that, 474 00:25:53,867 --> 00:25:57,567 But then inundate The pursuing army with 475 00:25:57,667 --> 00:25:59,733 An incoming tide. 476 00:25:59,833 --> 00:26:01,400 And so... 477 00:26:01,500 --> 00:26:03,467 Was moses a magician? 478 00:26:03,567 --> 00:26:05,267 No, but like many magicians, 479 00:26:05,367 --> 00:26:07,533 He was clever And applied science. 480 00:26:12,667 --> 00:26:14,967 Narrator: yet some speculate That moses actually 481 00:26:15,067 --> 00:26:19,067 Was a conjurer with Supernatural powers. 482 00:26:19,100 --> 00:26:22,467 Witch, priestess, and magician, Carrie kirkpatrick, 483 00:26:22,567 --> 00:26:25,067 Believes moses's Egyptian upbringing 484 00:26:25,167 --> 00:26:27,833 May have given him A grounding in magic. 485 00:26:31,367 --> 00:26:33,367 Kirkpatrick: it's very likely That moses was 486 00:26:33,467 --> 00:26:36,333 A magician in egyptian Noble circles. 487 00:26:36,433 --> 00:26:38,933 It was not a big deal To learn about magic. 488 00:26:39,067 --> 00:26:40,133 It was part of the culture. 489 00:26:40,233 --> 00:26:42,233 It would be part of The everyday education. 490 00:26:42,333 --> 00:26:46,067 So it's very likely that all Of these miracles that we see 491 00:26:46,100 --> 00:26:47,633 That have been attributed to god 492 00:26:47,733 --> 00:26:51,533 Were actually spells Cast by moses himself, 493 00:26:51,633 --> 00:26:54,967 Using the training that He had been given in egypt. 494 00:26:59,533 --> 00:27:02,500 Narrator: the suspicion that Moses may have possessed magical 495 00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:06,900 Or supernatural abilities was Amplified with the discovery of 496 00:27:07,067 --> 00:27:11,167 The sixth and seventh books of Moses, a collection of hidden 497 00:27:11,267 --> 00:27:14,933 Texts allegedly written By the man himself. 498 00:27:19,233 --> 00:27:21,567 Mcmahon: the sixth and seventh Books of moses are 499 00:27:21,667 --> 00:27:25,500 Particularly mysterious, Because they try and explain 500 00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:27,300 Through magic 501 00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:30,633 How the miracles in the story Of exodus happened. 502 00:27:32,867 --> 00:27:37,333 These books appear about 200 Years ago in germany, and then 503 00:27:37,433 --> 00:27:41,300 Immigrants take them To the united states, where, 504 00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:43,567 For whatever reason, They're adopted quite 505 00:27:43,667 --> 00:27:46,733 Enthusiastically by the African-american communities, 506 00:27:46,833 --> 00:27:49,333 Religious communities, And in the caribbean. 507 00:27:49,433 --> 00:27:52,833 And many of the spells, a lot Of the magic in those books, 508 00:27:52,933 --> 00:27:56,833 Are used, actually in practical Cures back in those days 509 00:27:56,933 --> 00:27:58,533 To treat people. 510 00:28:00,700 --> 00:28:02,467 Kirkpatrick: we can't really Know for sure 511 00:28:02,567 --> 00:28:04,067 That moses wrote the sixth 512 00:28:04,100 --> 00:28:06,200 And the seventh books, However, 513 00:28:06,300 --> 00:28:09,067 You can see in the book of Exodus that the use of magic 514 00:28:09,100 --> 00:28:10,500 Was expressly forbidden. 515 00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:12,467 So you wouldn't say that if it 516 00:28:12,567 --> 00:28:14,700 Wasn't a problem Or regarded as a problem. 517 00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:16,067 It's a bit like prohibition. 518 00:28:16,133 --> 00:28:18,400 They wouldn't have brought it In if alcohol wasn't a problem. 519 00:28:21,167 --> 00:28:23,167 Narrator: aside from The miracles of moses, 520 00:28:23,267 --> 00:28:25,200 Are there More concrete things 521 00:28:25,300 --> 00:28:27,300 That history can prove, 522 00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:30,767 Such as the true location of Mount sinai? 523 00:28:30,867 --> 00:28:34,233 And could archaeological Evidence show that the spot 524 00:28:34,333 --> 00:28:36,633 Venerated by pilgrims For centuries 525 00:28:36,733 --> 00:28:39,567 Isn't the legendary site After all? 526 00:28:50,900 --> 00:28:54,100 Narrator: Who was the real moses? 527 00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:56,267 Is there A historical figure behind 528 00:28:56,367 --> 00:28:59,733 The religious legend and tales Of fantastic miracles? 529 00:29:01,333 --> 00:29:02,600 While it is hard To unearth 530 00:29:02,700 --> 00:29:05,867 Concrete evidence For his exploits and deeds, 531 00:29:05,967 --> 00:29:08,967 Can we pinpoint the locations He's associated with? 532 00:29:10,067 --> 00:29:13,200 One of the most famous Must be mount sinai. 533 00:29:18,167 --> 00:29:20,900 Mcmahon: mount sinai has this Huge significance, obviously, 534 00:29:21,067 --> 00:29:22,700 For jews, christians, 535 00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:27,833 Muslims, because that's where Moses gets the ten commandments. 536 00:29:29,867 --> 00:29:33,067 That's where he meets god, And god gives him 537 00:29:33,133 --> 00:29:35,933 The laws that are gonna Govern his people, 538 00:29:36,067 --> 00:29:38,600 The believers. Moses comes down, 539 00:29:38,700 --> 00:29:41,400 Of course, finds the israelites Worshipping a golden calf, 540 00:29:41,500 --> 00:29:43,333 Smashes them angrily, Has to go 541 00:29:43,433 --> 00:29:45,700 Back up the mountain And get them all over again. 542 00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:49,933 But it's for that reason that This mountain is so sacred. 543 00:29:54,100 --> 00:29:55,933 Narrator: For hundreds of years, 544 00:29:56,067 --> 00:29:58,300 It has been accepted That jebel-musa 545 00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:01,667 In the sinai peninsula of Egypt is the legendary 546 00:30:01,767 --> 00:30:02,700 Mount sinai. 547 00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:06,167 But is this correct? 548 00:30:06,267 --> 00:30:08,867 Phillips: interestingly, The bible doesn't tell us 549 00:30:08,967 --> 00:30:11,200 Directly where Mount sinai is. 550 00:30:11,300 --> 00:30:13,667 It is just somewhere In the sinai wilderness, 551 00:30:13,767 --> 00:30:17,567 Which is a huge expanse East of the red sea. 552 00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:23,733 The emperor constantine Decided it was a place 553 00:30:23,833 --> 00:30:26,100 Now called jebel-musa, 554 00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:31,133 Meaning the mount of moses, Which is in eastern egypt 555 00:30:31,233 --> 00:30:33,700 Within the sinai wilderness. 556 00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:37,400 And he came up with that idea, Because his mother had had 557 00:30:37,500 --> 00:30:40,633 A dream that that's where It was, and a monastery was 558 00:30:40,733 --> 00:30:43,367 Founded there, But there's no historical 559 00:30:43,467 --> 00:30:45,800 Or archaeological evidence To support it. 560 00:30:50,167 --> 00:30:52,467 Narrator: Since the mid-19th century, 561 00:30:52,567 --> 00:30:54,200 Debate has raged between 562 00:30:54,300 --> 00:30:57,767 Scholars on where This holy site actually is, 563 00:30:57,867 --> 00:31:00,333 With over ten possible Locations given. 564 00:31:01,767 --> 00:31:03,067 After excavations by 565 00:31:03,133 --> 00:31:06,333 The english archaeologist Sir flinders petrie 566 00:31:06,433 --> 00:31:08,400 In the 1900s, 567 00:31:08,500 --> 00:31:10,433 Serabit el-khadim 568 00:31:10,533 --> 00:31:12,733 Has emerged as A likely candidate. 569 00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:20,500 Serabit el-khadim is The 600-pound gorilla in 570 00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:23,733 The story of moses that no one Is really talking about. 571 00:31:26,233 --> 00:31:27,367 I've been there. 572 00:31:27,467 --> 00:31:31,133 It's an incredible place, Excavated by petrie, who found 573 00:31:31,233 --> 00:31:34,700 Lots of temples of hathor, 574 00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:39,167 The bull god that moses Is known to have banned, 575 00:31:39,267 --> 00:31:44,167 But also, Writing in semitic language, 576 00:31:44,267 --> 00:31:47,300 Which you'd still see On the temple walls, 577 00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:49,400 Proto-semitic, 578 00:31:49,500 --> 00:31:54,300 A language that is associated With the people of israel. 579 00:31:56,433 --> 00:31:58,867 Narrator: excavations At serabit el-khadim 580 00:31:58,967 --> 00:32:01,967 Also revealed possible Animal sacrifices 581 00:32:02,067 --> 00:32:03,600 And ritual washing, 582 00:32:03,700 --> 00:32:06,900 Religious practices Not commonly associated with 583 00:32:07,067 --> 00:32:10,900 Egyptian worship But hebrew ceremonies. 584 00:32:11,067 --> 00:32:12,800 In addition, There is evidence for 585 00:32:12,900 --> 00:32:16,100 The mining of materials Important to the jewish people. 586 00:32:17,333 --> 00:32:20,433 Gough: there's evidence of Jewish worship 587 00:32:20,533 --> 00:32:23,233 At a place Where there shouldn't be. 588 00:32:23,333 --> 00:32:26,200 There's evidence of The creation of 589 00:32:26,300 --> 00:32:29,067 The jewish alphabet here. 590 00:32:29,100 --> 00:32:34,800 And thirdly, there's evidence Of artisans, of mining of 591 00:32:34,900 --> 00:32:36,100 Turquoise and copper, 592 00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:40,367 The kinds of people Who could have constructed 593 00:32:40,467 --> 00:32:43,300 The ten commandments And tablets. 594 00:32:45,500 --> 00:32:47,400 And if that's not enough, 595 00:32:47,500 --> 00:32:51,733 There's also tablets shaped Like the image we're told 596 00:32:51,833 --> 00:32:54,433 The ten commandments Were written in. 597 00:32:57,600 --> 00:33:01,933 All the scholars argue that Moses would have stopped there 598 00:33:02,067 --> 00:33:05,700 On his path of the exodus To the promised land, 599 00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:09,900 But what very few want To acknowledge is that 600 00:33:10,067 --> 00:33:13,833 This could very well have been The true mount sinai. 601 00:33:13,933 --> 00:33:19,833 * 602 00:33:19,933 --> 00:33:22,267 Narrator: but author And historian graham phillips 603 00:33:22,367 --> 00:33:24,633 Has another radical idea. 604 00:33:24,733 --> 00:33:27,633 He believes the historical Mount sinai is 605 00:33:27,733 --> 00:33:31,733 Actually found 150 miles away In jordan, 606 00:33:31,833 --> 00:33:34,067 Near the ancient city Of petra. 607 00:33:38,700 --> 00:33:42,133 Phillips: when I got there, I found so many things 608 00:33:42,233 --> 00:33:45,533 That tied up with The description of mount sinai 609 00:33:45,633 --> 00:33:48,233 In the bible That I was literally, 610 00:33:48,333 --> 00:33:51,233 I don't know, flabbergasted, Knocked off my feet, 611 00:33:51,333 --> 00:33:55,067 To how many similarities There where between this place 612 00:33:55,100 --> 00:33:56,500 And the biblical description 613 00:33:56,600 --> 00:33:59,867 That seem to have Been completely overlooked 614 00:34:00,067 --> 00:34:02,067 By previous historians. 615 00:34:04,067 --> 00:34:07,200 Gough: the theory that Graham phillips has put forward, 616 00:34:07,300 --> 00:34:12,867 That mount sinai is actually In petra, is very viable, 617 00:34:12,967 --> 00:34:18,233 And that's because the whole Valley around petra is within 618 00:34:18,333 --> 00:34:23,933 The right distance of where the Exodus started from in egypt. 619 00:34:25,533 --> 00:34:29,333 His brother, aaron, Is buried there, 620 00:34:29,433 --> 00:34:31,967 And on top of the mountain 621 00:34:32,067 --> 00:34:35,200 That graham suggests Is mount sinai, 622 00:34:35,300 --> 00:34:38,600 There's actually architecture, There's temples, 623 00:34:38,700 --> 00:34:43,533 There's pillars, just like Are stated in the bible. 624 00:34:44,867 --> 00:34:48,233 Mcmahon: clues there include The fact that the valley 625 00:34:48,333 --> 00:34:51,367 In which petra is based Is called the wadi musa, 626 00:34:51,467 --> 00:34:55,367 The valley of moses, and there Is a rock, the ain musa, 627 00:34:55,467 --> 00:34:57,800 The rock of moses, Where the water is said 628 00:34:57,900 --> 00:34:59,633 To have spouted out, And it would 629 00:34:59,733 --> 00:35:02,233 Make a lot more Sense for petra to be 630 00:35:02,333 --> 00:35:05,733 The location as a major trade And commercial hub back in 631 00:35:05,833 --> 00:35:07,400 Those days than somewhere, 632 00:35:07,500 --> 00:35:10,400 Some dusty hole, at the bottom Of the sinai peninsula. 633 00:35:12,133 --> 00:35:14,067 Narrator: Yet moses's most important 634 00:35:14,167 --> 00:35:16,667 Legacy is giving The ten commandments 635 00:35:16,767 --> 00:35:18,633 To the jewish people. 636 00:35:18,733 --> 00:35:20,867 While the inscribed tablets Most likely 637 00:35:20,967 --> 00:35:23,700 Have not survived To modern times, 638 00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:26,400 Could their origins Be less miraculous 639 00:35:26,500 --> 00:35:28,333 Than the famous story Tells us? 640 00:35:37,367 --> 00:35:39,067 Narrator: For thousands of years, 641 00:35:39,100 --> 00:35:41,133 The biblical figure of moses has 642 00:35:41,233 --> 00:35:44,067 Been associated With amazing miracles, 643 00:35:44,167 --> 00:35:46,567 With some alleging he might Actually have possessed 644 00:35:46,667 --> 00:35:47,867 Magical powers. 645 00:35:51,133 --> 00:35:53,300 Whether miracle or magic, 646 00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:56,567 He had one Indispensable possession -- 647 00:35:56,667 --> 00:35:57,700 His staff. 648 00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:00,733 Phillips: again and again, 649 00:36:00,833 --> 00:36:04,533 Moses is associated with A miraculous staff. 650 00:36:07,100 --> 00:36:09,967 When he first encounters god At the burning bush, 651 00:36:10,067 --> 00:36:14,167 He has this staff with him, And god says that he would imbue 652 00:36:14,267 --> 00:36:17,067 This staff with Miraculous powers. 653 00:36:18,100 --> 00:36:21,167 Kirkpatrick: a magician always Has a wand or a staff. 654 00:36:21,267 --> 00:36:22,367 It's like a conduit 655 00:36:22,467 --> 00:36:26,100 For focusing his will And controlling the energies 656 00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:27,267 And making things happen, 657 00:36:27,367 --> 00:36:30,300 Effecting change -- it's A kind of directional tool. 658 00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:33,633 Even today, druids, Magicians, will use 659 00:36:33,733 --> 00:36:36,067 A wand or a staff In their practice. 660 00:36:39,567 --> 00:36:42,367 Narrator: intriguingly, Graham phillips believes 661 00:36:42,467 --> 00:36:46,267 He knows where this mythical Relic is kept today. 662 00:36:46,367 --> 00:36:50,600 His theory relies on moses's Link to snakes. 663 00:36:50,700 --> 00:36:54,967 It's said that moses's staff Was once turned into a serpent, 664 00:36:55,067 --> 00:36:59,067 And an intriguing snake-themed Monument has been discovered 665 00:36:59,167 --> 00:37:00,100 At petra. 666 00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:05,800 Phillips: in the mid-1800s, 667 00:37:05,900 --> 00:37:08,800 A cave Near the snake monument was 668 00:37:08,900 --> 00:37:11,567 Excavated by a couple of English archaeologists 669 00:37:11,667 --> 00:37:13,567 And they found a tomb there. 670 00:37:13,667 --> 00:37:16,900 There was no body any longer In it, but it didn't have a few 671 00:37:17,067 --> 00:37:18,400 Items remaining, 672 00:37:18,500 --> 00:37:22,967 The most important of which Was a staff with egyptian 673 00:37:23,067 --> 00:37:27,200 Hieroglyphics on it, An egyptian staff 674 00:37:27,300 --> 00:37:29,933 At the city of petra 675 00:37:30,067 --> 00:37:32,067 In southern jordan. 676 00:37:35,767 --> 00:37:36,800 What was it doing there? 677 00:37:36,900 --> 00:37:40,833 Clearly, somebody from egypt Had been buried 678 00:37:40,933 --> 00:37:43,600 In this tomb Below the snake monument. 679 00:37:46,767 --> 00:37:50,233 Now, if my theory is All right, 680 00:37:50,333 --> 00:37:53,100 Then the snake monument 681 00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:58,367 Is erected in memory of moses, And this tomb could be 682 00:37:58,467 --> 00:38:01,333 The tomb of An historical moses. 683 00:38:04,933 --> 00:38:06,833 Narrator: so could This discovery really be 684 00:38:06,933 --> 00:38:08,833 Moses's legendary staff? 685 00:38:09,867 --> 00:38:12,133 For such a possibly important Artifact for 686 00:38:12,233 --> 00:38:14,633 Three of the world's Main religions, 687 00:38:14,733 --> 00:38:18,100 Its home today is in A quiet corner of england. 688 00:38:20,100 --> 00:38:24,267 The staff of moses, Today, is here 689 00:38:24,367 --> 00:38:27,633 At the birmingham museum In central england. 690 00:38:29,500 --> 00:38:33,133 Upon the staff there are Hieroglyphics telling us 691 00:38:33,233 --> 00:38:37,500 That the staff had belonged To someone called thutmosis, 692 00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:40,300 Who held a high position at 693 00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:45,233 The egyptian court Around about 1350 bc. 694 00:38:46,267 --> 00:38:49,467 Now the historical moses, 695 00:38:49,567 --> 00:38:52,367 According to my research, was 696 00:38:52,467 --> 00:38:57,467 A man called thutmosis, who held Just such a position at exactly 697 00:38:57,567 --> 00:39:00,633 The time that moses Is said to have been 698 00:39:00,733 --> 00:39:03,767 High in the egyptian court. 699 00:39:03,867 --> 00:39:08,633 As such, the staff of Thutmosis could be one 700 00:39:08,733 --> 00:39:12,600 And the same as the staff Of the biblical moses. 701 00:39:16,500 --> 00:39:18,667 Narrator: it may be debatable Whether the staff in 702 00:39:18,767 --> 00:39:21,100 The birmingham museum Is really that of 703 00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:22,900 The biblical moses, 704 00:39:23,067 --> 00:39:24,533 But the egyptian Influence over 705 00:39:24,633 --> 00:39:26,367 This religious figure Was strong. 706 00:39:29,867 --> 00:39:32,667 Controversially, The ten commandments are alleged 707 00:39:32,767 --> 00:39:36,233 To be plagiarized from An earlier egyptian tradition. 708 00:39:38,567 --> 00:39:41,900 Bianchi: the ten commandments Are prohibitions that 709 00:39:42,067 --> 00:39:44,200 The faithful, the moral, The ethical 710 00:39:44,300 --> 00:39:46,067 Should not indulge in. 711 00:39:46,133 --> 00:39:49,967 Don't covet your neighbor's Wife, don't commit adultery, 712 00:39:50,067 --> 00:39:52,433 Don't murder An individual, etcetera. 713 00:39:52,533 --> 00:39:54,067 And the interesting Thing about 714 00:39:54,133 --> 00:39:57,100 The ten commandments is They resonate 715 00:39:57,200 --> 00:39:59,067 With the so-called Negative confession 716 00:39:59,100 --> 00:40:00,833 Chapter 125 of the book Of the dead 717 00:40:00,933 --> 00:40:02,067 Of the ancient egyptians. 718 00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:07,033 Pinknett: this was a formula, Lines, if you like, 719 00:40:07,133 --> 00:40:10,033 That they had to learn To say in the afterlife 720 00:40:10,133 --> 00:40:11,800 When they were In the halls of justice, 721 00:40:11,900 --> 00:40:13,667 And their souls were being Weighed in the balance, 722 00:40:13,767 --> 00:40:15,400 And they stood there, And they said, 723 00:40:15,500 --> 00:40:17,233 "I have not committed adultery. 724 00:40:17,333 --> 00:40:19,333 "I have not borne False witness. 725 00:40:19,433 --> 00:40:20,700 I have not killed." 726 00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:23,967 And it was supposed to Get you off 727 00:40:24,067 --> 00:40:25,967 All the punishments Of the afterlife. 728 00:40:27,367 --> 00:40:32,867 Gough: did moses draw upon An earlier edict 729 00:40:32,967 --> 00:40:36,733 And say they were written By the finger of god? 730 00:40:40,733 --> 00:40:42,267 Narrator: Without concrete evidence, 731 00:40:42,367 --> 00:40:44,867 The historical And biblical moses 732 00:40:44,967 --> 00:40:47,633 Will probably remain Elusive forever. 733 00:40:48,833 --> 00:40:52,233 But these tantalizing clues Might just give us 734 00:40:52,333 --> 00:40:54,033 A glimpse of the real man. 735 00:40:56,167 --> 00:40:58,567 Young-somers: in my view, Moses may have been 736 00:40:58,667 --> 00:41:00,200 A real figure who lived, 737 00:41:00,300 --> 00:41:04,067 But I don't know, and I like The not knowing, and for me, 738 00:41:04,167 --> 00:41:06,633 Actually, the importance Isn't whether 739 00:41:06,733 --> 00:41:08,567 Or not moses literally lived. 740 00:41:09,667 --> 00:41:11,333 Gough: moses appears To have been an archetype, 741 00:41:11,433 --> 00:41:14,400 But if he was An historical person, 742 00:41:14,500 --> 00:41:19,233 I know of no better historical Inspiration than that of 743 00:41:19,333 --> 00:41:22,067 The heretic king Who introduced monotheism, 744 00:41:22,100 --> 00:41:23,800 Akhenaten. 745 00:41:27,933 --> 00:41:30,933 Even when the egyptians Lose a battle, 746 00:41:31,067 --> 00:41:33,133 They portray themselves As the victors. 747 00:41:33,233 --> 00:41:36,167 So it's very, very hard for me To believe that a story 748 00:41:36,267 --> 00:41:37,533 That paints the egyptians 749 00:41:37,633 --> 00:41:39,733 In such a horrible light Could have 750 00:41:39,833 --> 00:41:42,167 Possibly had An egyptian origin. 751 00:41:43,233 --> 00:41:45,467 Young-somers: I think It's inevitable that, 752 00:41:45,567 --> 00:41:47,800 As such an important figure, 753 00:41:47,900 --> 00:41:51,233 He's going to create Interest and intrigue, 754 00:41:51,333 --> 00:41:54,767 And we're going to want to try To understand as much as we can, 755 00:41:54,867 --> 00:41:56,433 Because there is so much That's interesting 756 00:41:56,533 --> 00:41:57,967 And so much That's mysterious. 757 00:41:58,067 --> 00:42:03,233 * 60041

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