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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,510 --> 00:00:05,820 Carole Gold was really a pioneer, being one of the first Playboy Bunnies. 2 00:00:06,860 --> 00:00:09,820 A Bunny in the 1960s made great money... 3 00:00:12,310 --> 00:00:14,400 ...and we were like rockstars. 4 00:00:14,590 --> 00:00:16,620 Playboy can give you the taste of the high life... 5 00:00:17,650 --> 00:00:19,100 ...but that doesn't last forever. 6 00:00:21,890 --> 00:00:25,120 She just blew through all the money and one day woke up 7 00:00:25,320 --> 00:00:27,200 and realized there was nothing left. 8 00:00:28,890 --> 00:00:32,290 Chuck said to Carole that if she didn't back him up, 9 00:00:32,490 --> 00:00:33,370 he was gonna divorce her. 10 00:00:35,170 --> 00:00:38,710 She says she knew she was paying $75 a month into something, 11 00:00:38,910 --> 00:00:40,000 but didn't really know what. 12 00:00:40,960 --> 00:00:42,710 [Pat LaLama] Just a few minutes 13 00:00:42,910 --> 00:00:44,880 into his conversation with detectives, 14 00:00:45,080 --> 00:00:48,120 he realizes, "Oh, wait a minute. 15 00:00:48,320 --> 00:00:49,720 This is about a murder." 16 00:00:52,720 --> 00:00:54,790 That was the beginning of my worst nightmare. 17 00:01:14,270 --> 00:01:16,150 [Briana Whitney] Police get a call over the radio. 18 00:01:16,350 --> 00:01:20,860 A woman had called 911 saying her husband had been shot. 19 00:01:23,720 --> 00:01:24,680 So they rush over. 20 00:01:26,240 --> 00:01:27,440 They get there. 21 00:01:31,820 --> 00:01:36,240 51-year-old Chuck Gold was found dead and murdered inside his home. 22 00:01:42,030 --> 00:01:43,620 We have an apparent homicide. 23 00:01:45,930 --> 00:01:49,410 Mr. Gold expired from multiple gunshot wounds. 24 00:01:50,930 --> 00:01:53,790 We were told he'd been discovered by his wife, Carole. 25 00:01:59,790 --> 00:02:03,980 Carole Gold was 53 years old when her husband, Chuck, was found brutally murdered. 26 00:02:04,180 --> 00:02:06,530 It's a dramatic turn in the life of woman who 27 00:02:06,730 --> 00:02:09,000 just decades ago was on a very different path... 28 00:02:09,960 --> 00:02:11,170 ...working as a Playboy Bunny... 29 00:02:12,100 --> 00:02:13,950 ...experiencing this glamorous lifestyle, 30 00:02:14,150 --> 00:02:16,170 and making more money than she ever thought possible. 31 00:02:20,200 --> 00:02:22,330 Carole was involved with the Playboy company 32 00:02:22,530 --> 00:02:25,130 at a very early stage in the early 60s. 33 00:02:26,370 --> 00:02:29,050 Back then, the magazine looked very homemade, 34 00:02:29,250 --> 00:02:31,910 cut and paste. It wasn't, like, the glossy, 35 00:02:32,110 --> 00:02:35,060 lavish thing that people saw in decades later. 36 00:02:37,720 --> 00:02:40,910 Hef started Playboy when he was 27 years old. 37 00:02:41,110 --> 00:02:44,570 He started HMH Publishing at the same time. 38 00:02:44,770 --> 00:02:48,260 HMH Publishing is his initials, Hugh Marston Hefner, 39 00:02:48,460 --> 00:02:51,790 and he just started that publishing company to do Playboy. 40 00:02:53,820 --> 00:02:57,570 The first issue came out in December of 1953. 41 00:02:57,770 --> 00:03:00,080 He didn't put a volume number on the first issue, 42 00:03:00,280 --> 00:03:02,810 because he wasn't sure if there'd be a second one. 43 00:03:03,010 --> 00:03:04,950 The first nude pictorial inPlayboy 44 00:03:05,150 --> 00:03:06,770 was a photo of Marilyn Monroe, 45 00:03:06,970 --> 00:03:09,240 and that feature would go on to become the centerfold feature. 46 00:03:13,060 --> 00:03:15,640 There really wasn't anything likePlayboy at the time. 47 00:03:15,840 --> 00:03:19,980 There were nude magazines, but they were all pretty down scale. 48 00:03:20,180 --> 00:03:21,750 So, he wanted to do something different. 49 00:03:23,680 --> 00:03:25,500 ThePlayboy lifestyle was supposed to be 50 00:03:25,700 --> 00:03:30,340 an aspirational, upscale, men's kind of fantasy lifestyle. 51 00:03:35,930 --> 00:03:37,640 [Whitney] Carole was from Chicago, 52 00:03:37,840 --> 00:03:42,840 and in 1955, she was model in her teenage years. 53 00:03:43,040 --> 00:03:45,860 She did a lot of magazines and commercials and things like that. 54 00:03:47,370 --> 00:03:50,750 And so, that's kind of how her life started in the public eye. 55 00:03:53,750 --> 00:03:55,950 And when Carole was only 15 years old, 56 00:03:56,150 --> 00:04:01,260 she had a friend who worked nearby HMH Publishing. 57 00:04:01,460 --> 00:04:05,400 And her friend thought, "Hey, Carole, maybe you can get a job there." 58 00:04:05,590 --> 00:04:07,120 [Mitzi] Carole was in a Catholic school, 59 00:04:07,320 --> 00:04:09,050 And the Catholic priest had to prove anybody 60 00:04:09,250 --> 00:04:12,640 that wanted to work a job outside of school, 61 00:04:12,840 --> 00:04:16,460 and he approved it because it was just a publishing company. 62 00:04:16,660 --> 00:04:20,960 He didn't understand that HMH meant Hugh M. Hefner. 63 00:04:24,130 --> 00:04:25,840 [Whitney] Carole meets with an executive 64 00:04:26,040 --> 00:04:27,950 who really, really liked her at the time, 65 00:04:28,150 --> 00:04:29,550 and he hires her on the spot. 66 00:04:32,480 --> 00:04:33,810 [Madison] The very first Playboy Club 67 00:04:34,010 --> 00:04:38,020 opened in Chicago on February 29, in 1960. 68 00:04:38,220 --> 00:04:41,640 It was an upscale place for men to go. 69 00:04:41,840 --> 00:04:43,530 It was a private club. 70 00:04:43,730 --> 00:04:45,530 You know, you could have lunch or dinner 71 00:04:45,730 --> 00:04:47,330 and see great entertainment. 72 00:04:47,530 --> 00:04:49,740 And of course the women were wearing 73 00:04:49,940 --> 00:04:52,310 the Bunny costume, which became very famous. 74 00:04:53,790 --> 00:04:56,220 The Playboy Bunnies were the hostesses and waitresses 75 00:04:56,420 --> 00:04:58,150 that worked at the Playboy Club, 76 00:04:58,350 --> 00:05:02,220 and they wore the very famous skimpy outfit... 77 00:05:02,420 --> 00:05:04,820 ...which is basically just a corset with tights. 78 00:05:08,580 --> 00:05:12,820 The Bunny costume was based on the Playboymascot, which is a rabbit. 79 00:05:15,890 --> 00:05:17,430 When Hef first started the magazine, 80 00:05:17,630 --> 00:05:22,120 he decided on the rabbit as a symbol and a logo 81 00:05:22,320 --> 00:05:26,100 because rabbits are very playful animals and they have a lot of sex. 82 00:05:29,170 --> 00:05:30,910 This is my Playboy Bunny picture. 83 00:05:31,110 --> 00:05:32,340 This is from Chicago. 84 00:05:33,860 --> 00:05:36,020 That was a really great job. 85 00:05:36,220 --> 00:05:38,910 Definition of a Bunny in the 1960s 86 00:05:39,110 --> 00:05:44,440 was the girl next store, but somebody that was sexy and beautiful. 87 00:05:46,580 --> 00:05:50,020 A Bunny in the 1960s made great money... 88 00:05:50,220 --> 00:05:52,220 ...and we were like rockstars. 89 00:05:52,420 --> 00:05:55,020 The money we made definitely was life-changing. 90 00:05:55,220 --> 00:05:57,260 In Chicago, we made more money. 91 00:05:57,460 --> 00:06:01,150 There was more celebrities that came to the Chicago club. 92 00:06:01,350 --> 00:06:04,890 We met everybody and usually would have 'em sign our cuffs. 93 00:06:06,130 --> 00:06:08,570 [Madison] Carole started off as a switchboard operator 94 00:06:08,770 --> 00:06:10,620 in Playboy'sfirst offices. 95 00:06:11,620 --> 00:06:14,260 [Diana] They used Carole as a fit Bunny 96 00:06:14,460 --> 00:06:17,290 in order to design the original costume 97 00:06:17,490 --> 00:06:20,890 that the girls wore in the 1960s when the club opened. 98 00:06:21,890 --> 00:06:24,410 And then she became a Bunny after that. 99 00:06:27,100 --> 00:06:30,770 She was really a pioneer, being one of the first Bunnies. 100 00:06:30,970 --> 00:06:33,600 This would have been a very unique experience for anyone, 101 00:06:33,800 --> 00:06:37,150 but for somebody who was coming from a Catholic school background, 102 00:06:37,350 --> 00:06:39,880 that just must have been something completely different 103 00:06:40,080 --> 00:06:43,840 because at the time, there was nothing like the Playboy Club. 104 00:06:44,040 --> 00:06:47,980 [Mitzi] Carole helped supervise other bunnies and private parties. 105 00:06:48,180 --> 00:06:49,930 And she was always kind. 106 00:06:50,750 --> 00:06:52,600 She was easy to work for. 107 00:06:52,800 --> 00:06:55,270 And if you stepped off line, she told you. 108 00:06:56,580 --> 00:06:59,710 She was supervising a get together. 109 00:06:59,910 --> 00:07:02,060 Frank Sinatra and some of his friends were there. 110 00:07:05,030 --> 00:07:08,020 And Mr. Sinatra asked her, "Well, who are you?" 111 00:07:08,220 --> 00:07:09,880 And she said, "May I get you something?" 112 00:07:10,080 --> 00:07:14,220 And he goes, "Well, no, I just want to know you are. You can sit and talk to me." 113 00:07:14,420 --> 00:07:17,190 And said, "Mr. Sinatra, I'd absolutely love to, 114 00:07:17,390 --> 00:07:18,880 and I think you're amazing, 115 00:07:19,080 --> 00:07:22,650 but I have to take care of everything here." 116 00:07:28,240 --> 00:07:31,430 [Madison] The club was definitely an introduction to the good life for Carole, 117 00:07:31,630 --> 00:07:33,150 and showed her what was possible, you know, 118 00:07:33,350 --> 00:07:36,400 you have all these wealthy clients coming in. 119 00:07:36,590 --> 00:07:39,150 I think Carole probably got used to the money and the lifestyle. 120 00:07:39,350 --> 00:07:41,190 It's a very easy thing to get used to 121 00:07:41,390 --> 00:07:43,000 and, like, want for the rest of your life. 122 00:07:44,340 --> 00:07:46,530 While Carole was working as a Playboy Bunny, 123 00:07:46,730 --> 00:07:48,530 she also put herself through School. 124 00:07:48,730 --> 00:07:49,880 She became a teacher 125 00:07:50,080 --> 00:07:52,570 and taught eighth grade at a Catholic school. 126 00:07:52,770 --> 00:07:55,150 It's so crazy that she was a Catholic school teacher 127 00:07:55,350 --> 00:07:57,600 by day and a Playboy Bunny at night. 128 00:07:57,800 --> 00:07:59,840 During this time, she met an engineering student 129 00:08:00,040 --> 00:08:02,000 named Kenny Cottini and they got married. 130 00:08:03,510 --> 00:08:06,600 Carole's at the Playboy Club for five years 131 00:08:06,800 --> 00:08:11,150 before she and Kenny end up moving to Lake Geneva, Wisconsin, 132 00:08:11,350 --> 00:08:13,370 where they work at horse stables. 133 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:17,890 That's when tragedy struck. 134 00:08:23,240 --> 00:08:27,480 Kenny died shortly after a riding accident. 135 00:08:29,680 --> 00:08:33,240 I believe he was running barrels at a horse show... 136 00:08:34,510 --> 00:08:37,770 ...and he slipped. He fell out of his saddle 137 00:08:37,970 --> 00:08:41,030 and never regained consciousness. 138 00:08:43,130 --> 00:08:46,570 [Whitney] Kenny's passing not only left Carole as a widow, 139 00:08:46,770 --> 00:08:48,570 but she was taking care of their daughter 140 00:08:48,770 --> 00:08:52,060 and their newborn son, who was born in that same year. 141 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:02,020 Carole was busy working at the stable 142 00:09:02,220 --> 00:09:04,190 and raising to two kids when she reconnected 143 00:09:04,390 --> 00:09:06,500 with a childhood friend, Chuck Gold. 144 00:09:06,700 --> 00:09:08,650 Like Carole, Chuck also had two kids. 145 00:09:11,130 --> 00:09:14,720 [Stephanie] My relationship with my dad in my earlier years was... 146 00:09:15,270 --> 00:09:16,710 ...sporadic. 147 00:09:16,910 --> 00:09:20,190 Um, my parents were divorced before I was two, they were separated. 148 00:09:20,390 --> 00:09:23,200 My mother and I lived with her parents, my grandparents. 149 00:09:26,580 --> 00:09:28,330 [Whitney] Chuck and Carole start dating. 150 00:09:28,530 --> 00:09:30,910 And that was in 1977. 151 00:09:31,110 --> 00:09:35,020 About a year later, they were off to Las Vegas to get married. 152 00:09:35,220 --> 00:09:37,500 She used her Playboy connections to get them set up 153 00:09:37,700 --> 00:09:39,550 at the Lake Geneva Playboy resort. 154 00:09:43,310 --> 00:09:45,220 The Lake Geneva Playboy Resort 155 00:09:45,420 --> 00:09:47,880 was the very first Playboy Resort. 156 00:09:48,080 --> 00:09:49,570 An off-shoot of the Playboy Club, 157 00:09:49,770 --> 00:09:52,150 kind of a bigger, better experience. 158 00:09:52,350 --> 00:09:55,190 And it was a very modern establishment. 159 00:09:55,390 --> 00:10:00,220 They had ski trails. They had golf courses. They had stables. 160 00:10:00,420 --> 00:10:03,790 It was just this amazing, huge retreat. 161 00:10:04,790 --> 00:10:07,570 Carole loved horses, and she and Chuck 162 00:10:07,770 --> 00:10:10,400 went on to open their own stable 163 00:10:10,590 --> 00:10:13,980 at the Playboy Club, Lake Geneva. 164 00:10:14,180 --> 00:10:17,190 It was a huge deal. I mean, if you're gonna run a horse stable, 165 00:10:17,390 --> 00:10:19,570 what better place than at a luxury resort 166 00:10:19,770 --> 00:10:21,620 with all these wealthy customers? 167 00:10:25,620 --> 00:10:27,190 [Stephanie] Carole was very good for my father. 168 00:10:27,390 --> 00:10:29,440 They had a really great dynamic. 169 00:10:30,310 --> 00:10:32,670 They worked well together. 170 00:10:32,870 --> 00:10:35,100 They would ride together, they would do all kinds of things together. 171 00:10:36,510 --> 00:10:39,500 By the summer of '82, my father and Carole 172 00:10:39,700 --> 00:10:42,710 knew that they were gonna leave Lake Geneva. 173 00:10:42,910 --> 00:10:45,430 The main reason for the move was the winters were just 174 00:10:45,630 --> 00:10:47,810 too much for everybody, 175 00:10:48,010 --> 00:10:50,550 and they had decided that Arizona was where they wanted to be. 176 00:10:52,270 --> 00:10:55,220 [Madison] Carole and Chuck moved to Arizona with Carole's children, 177 00:10:55,420 --> 00:10:57,640 Her daughter, Alison, and her son, Ashton. 178 00:10:57,840 --> 00:10:59,980 The family settled into running the stables 179 00:11:00,180 --> 00:11:02,510 at Point Hilton Resort at Tapatio Cliffs. 180 00:11:07,200 --> 00:11:11,950 Chuck Gold had a business where they would do gunfight re-enactments 181 00:11:12,150 --> 00:11:15,050 at, um, some of the high-end hotels 182 00:11:15,250 --> 00:11:17,220 here in the valley at the time. 183 00:11:17,420 --> 00:11:20,290 He was known to a lot of people as Black Bart. 184 00:11:20,490 --> 00:11:25,190 The original Black Bart was, uh, a gunslinger from, like, the 1880s. 185 00:11:25,390 --> 00:11:27,370 [Stephanie] My dad is the personality. 186 00:11:28,130 --> 00:11:30,190 My dad would bring people in. 187 00:11:30,390 --> 00:11:31,880 And he'd be dressed as Black Bart, 188 00:11:32,080 --> 00:11:34,170 and people would just get a kick out of it. 189 00:11:36,680 --> 00:11:41,600 And Carole was the person responsible for all of the, 190 00:11:41,800 --> 00:11:43,290 the accounting and paying the bills 191 00:11:43,490 --> 00:11:46,190 and doing all of that stuff. That was Carole's role. 192 00:11:46,390 --> 00:11:50,290 [Mitzi] By 1992, cashflow was not an issue at that stable. 193 00:11:50,490 --> 00:11:52,400 They had a going business. 194 00:11:52,590 --> 00:11:53,910 And that was without Chuck. 195 00:11:54,110 --> 00:11:55,810 And I can imagine when you add in 196 00:11:56,010 --> 00:11:58,170 the gunfight shows and the things that he did... 197 00:11:58,860 --> 00:12:00,060 ...they were doing quite well. 198 00:12:05,060 --> 00:12:07,600 They have this idyllic lifestyle. 199 00:12:07,800 --> 00:12:09,620 You know, it could have been a fairy tale life. 200 00:12:12,240 --> 00:12:14,890 But it all changed on the night of October 20th. 201 00:12:16,510 --> 00:12:17,620 [gunshots] 202 00:12:25,650 --> 00:12:28,880 [Stephanie] Dad and Carole were married in December of '78. 203 00:12:29,080 --> 00:12:32,220 They would have been married 14 years in December of '92, 204 00:12:32,420 --> 00:12:33,790 when he was killed. 205 00:12:41,650 --> 00:12:44,670 On October 20, 1992, 206 00:12:44,870 --> 00:12:48,360 Carole Gold had been at dinner with her daughter, Alison. 207 00:12:48,560 --> 00:12:51,360 And from there, they ended up going back to Alison's house, 208 00:12:51,560 --> 00:12:53,880 where they watched some movies. 209 00:12:54,080 --> 00:12:56,810 [Petrosino] Chuck Gold was supposed to be at a conference, 210 00:12:57,010 --> 00:12:59,980 and at some point, he had called 211 00:13:00,180 --> 00:13:01,930 and said that he was on his way home. 212 00:13:03,620 --> 00:13:05,510 And then Carole decided to go home. 213 00:13:07,270 --> 00:13:09,950 And when she came home around 10:30, 214 00:13:10,150 --> 00:13:12,950 she walked into their house and found Chuck 215 00:13:13,150 --> 00:13:15,060 shot dead in their kitchen. 216 00:13:17,200 --> 00:13:19,050 That's when she called 911. 217 00:13:19,250 --> 00:13:20,370 [phone ringing] 218 00:13:23,240 --> 00:13:24,740 [Stephanie] Got a phone call, 219 00:13:24,940 --> 00:13:28,000 and it was Richard Feingold on the other end of the call. 220 00:13:30,550 --> 00:13:32,860 Richard was my dad's friend. 221 00:13:34,000 --> 00:13:34,890 He goes... 222 00:13:35,820 --> 00:13:37,030 ..."Your dad's dead." 223 00:13:40,790 --> 00:13:42,290 And I made him repeat it three times. 224 00:13:42,490 --> 00:13:43,880 And I went... 225 00:13:44,080 --> 00:13:45,240 ..."I don't understand." 226 00:13:47,000 --> 00:13:49,310 And he said, "Your dad was shot tonight... 227 00:13:50,200 --> 00:13:52,580 ...and that's all I know." 228 00:13:53,550 --> 00:13:54,650 And I just... 229 00:13:55,270 --> 00:13:56,240 ...lost it. 230 00:13:58,720 --> 00:14:01,240 That was the beginning of my worst nightmare. 231 00:14:14,240 --> 00:14:16,330 [Whitney] Chuck Gold was bleeding from the head, 232 00:14:16,530 --> 00:14:20,370 with eight .22 caliber bullet casings surrounding his body. 233 00:14:24,130 --> 00:14:25,820 I was assigned the crime scene. 234 00:14:28,720 --> 00:14:30,410 The scene is processed. 235 00:14:31,620 --> 00:14:33,410 The front door was locked. 236 00:14:35,240 --> 00:14:37,410 There was no sign of a break-in. 237 00:14:39,100 --> 00:14:41,570 I walked around and looked at different things, 238 00:14:41,770 --> 00:14:45,370 and I discovered that one of the back doors is unlocked. 239 00:14:50,170 --> 00:14:52,930 The back door should be locked, and it's not. 240 00:14:57,480 --> 00:15:01,860 Your first thought is is that, "Well, maybe it's a burglary gone bad." 241 00:15:06,510 --> 00:15:11,960 If that's the case, you'll normally see things disturbed. 242 00:15:14,410 --> 00:15:16,440 But none of that appeared to be the case. 243 00:15:20,930 --> 00:15:23,570 [Whitney] The lead detective pulls Carole outside, 244 00:15:23,770 --> 00:15:25,440 starts kind of asking her about everything. 245 00:15:27,550 --> 00:15:31,770 Carole tells detectives that they had a really good relationship, 246 00:15:31,970 --> 00:15:33,890 that things were going well for them. 247 00:15:35,680 --> 00:15:38,460 [Petrosino] Carole indicated that in the past, 248 00:15:38,660 --> 00:15:42,790 Chuck had engaged in extra-marital contact. 249 00:15:43,680 --> 00:15:46,310 But that they had gotten past it. 250 00:15:48,750 --> 00:15:50,640 [Madison] It must have been really difficult for Carole 251 00:15:50,840 --> 00:15:53,640 because she was, you know, a Playboy Bunny. 252 00:15:53,840 --> 00:15:56,460 She was one of the people to usher in the Sexual Revolution, 253 00:15:56,660 --> 00:15:59,290 and then to be married later in life 254 00:15:59,490 --> 00:16:02,620 and your partner's unfaithful, it must have been hard. 255 00:16:07,000 --> 00:16:10,020 Detectives went on their search for information, 256 00:16:10,220 --> 00:16:12,530 by going and talking to everybody that 257 00:16:12,730 --> 00:16:15,840 would have had some knowledge of what was going on 258 00:16:16,040 --> 00:16:18,670 in the Gold household... 259 00:16:18,870 --> 00:16:20,950 ...or the business. 260 00:16:21,150 --> 00:16:23,460 One of the first people the detectives reach out to 261 00:16:23,660 --> 00:16:25,960 is Chuck's close friend, Richard Feingold. 262 00:16:27,370 --> 00:16:29,770 [Petrosino] Mr. Feingold, uh, indicated that 263 00:16:29,970 --> 00:16:31,980 Chuck could be hard to get along with, 264 00:16:32,180 --> 00:16:34,030 and he might have a lot of enemies. 265 00:16:35,440 --> 00:16:38,120 [Whitney] Richard also tells the detective 266 00:16:38,320 --> 00:16:40,600 that a number of years ago, 267 00:16:40,800 --> 00:16:42,050 Chuck had been in a relationship 268 00:16:42,250 --> 00:16:45,430 with a woman who worked at the horse stables named Linda. 269 00:16:45,630 --> 00:16:48,640 And the two were very happy together. 270 00:16:48,840 --> 00:16:52,720 The story was is that Chuck was going to divorce Carole... 271 00:16:53,620 --> 00:16:55,770 ...and live with or marry Linda 272 00:16:55,970 --> 00:16:57,980 when the divorce was final. 273 00:16:58,180 --> 00:17:01,430 There's information that Linda lived in the house 274 00:17:01,630 --> 00:17:03,500 at some period of time. 275 00:17:03,700 --> 00:17:06,680 But for whatever reason, Chuck ended the relationship. 276 00:17:10,130 --> 00:17:12,930 [Stephanie] This was around October of '91. 277 00:17:15,200 --> 00:17:18,080 I knew that my father had affairs. 278 00:17:18,280 --> 00:17:20,310 I knew that Carole knew about 'em. 279 00:17:22,310 --> 00:17:24,430 I believe Carole had affairs, 280 00:17:24,630 --> 00:17:27,430 and I'm sure that my father knew about 'em. 281 00:17:27,630 --> 00:17:31,000 I don't necessarily know that I would call it unfaithful... 282 00:17:32,340 --> 00:17:33,880 ...because I think they knew, 283 00:17:34,080 --> 00:17:35,960 'cause that was just their dynamic. 284 00:17:42,370 --> 00:17:45,360 [Whitney] Detectives go on to interview other employees 285 00:17:45,560 --> 00:17:48,430 at the horse stables and one them has a story 286 00:17:48,630 --> 00:17:52,310 that Carole had a 14-year-old grandson named Ronnie. 287 00:17:53,750 --> 00:17:56,220 That was Alison's son. 288 00:17:56,420 --> 00:17:59,260 And at some point, Ronnie was staying with Chuck and Carole 289 00:17:59,460 --> 00:18:02,030 because Carole's daughter, Alison, was out of town. 290 00:18:04,130 --> 00:18:08,000 [Petrosino] Chuck expected Ronnie to do work at the stables. 291 00:18:09,370 --> 00:18:10,290 [Whitney] Ronnie didn't want to. 292 00:18:10,490 --> 00:18:12,330 He wanted to go hang out with his girlfriend. 293 00:18:12,530 --> 00:18:14,000 He had no plans of going to the stables 294 00:18:15,340 --> 00:18:17,290 [Petrosino] He allegedly told Chuck, "Well, 295 00:18:17,490 --> 00:18:19,220 I'm gonna be at my girlfriend's house." 296 00:18:19,420 --> 00:18:22,710 And Chuck said, "Get to the stables." 297 00:18:22,910 --> 00:18:24,150 He didn't get there. 298 00:18:24,350 --> 00:18:26,550 [Whitney] And that made Chuck really angry. 299 00:18:27,410 --> 00:18:29,500 And Chuck went off... 300 00:18:29,700 --> 00:18:32,600 ...and he told him that he wanted him gone. 301 00:18:32,800 --> 00:18:34,580 He didn't want Ronnie at the house anymore. 302 00:18:37,130 --> 00:18:39,980 Stable hands at the resort said they saw Chuck and Ronnie 303 00:18:40,180 --> 00:18:41,820 arguing loudly over the incident. 304 00:18:44,000 --> 00:18:45,750 As a result, Ronnie ran away. 305 00:18:49,240 --> 00:18:52,030 And this all took place just a week before Chuck's murder. 306 00:19:03,960 --> 00:19:08,290 [Petrosino] There's some information that Carole Gold's grandson, Ronnie, 307 00:19:08,490 --> 00:19:12,750 had had prior run-ins or contacts with the police department. 308 00:19:14,410 --> 00:19:18,080 [Whitney] Ronnie was known for having a bit of a temper. 309 00:19:18,280 --> 00:19:21,670 Ultimately, investigators find out that Ronnie 310 00:19:21,870 --> 00:19:24,290 was with his girlfriend at the time that Chuck was murdered. 311 00:19:24,490 --> 00:19:26,290 He was at school the next day, 312 00:19:26,490 --> 00:19:28,710 and he didn't even know that Chuck was killed 313 00:19:28,910 --> 00:19:30,200 until he was pulled out of school. 314 00:19:33,930 --> 00:19:37,500 Detectives also learn that in the weeks leading up to 315 00:19:37,700 --> 00:19:41,600 Chuck Gold's murder, he was in a real duke out 316 00:19:41,800 --> 00:19:45,820 with another guy, and that happens to be Ashton, Carole's son. 317 00:19:48,100 --> 00:19:51,860 [Stephanie] Ashton was 20 and lived with my dad and Carole. 318 00:19:52,820 --> 00:19:55,340 He was always very quiet. 319 00:19:57,000 --> 00:19:58,770 I think he was also very resentful 320 00:19:58,970 --> 00:20:02,000 because he resented having to do any of the work at the stables. 321 00:20:03,790 --> 00:20:08,580 We found out that Ashton, uh, had a history of abusing, uh, hard drugs. 322 00:20:10,100 --> 00:20:13,120 Ashton apparently got hooked on an opioid... 323 00:20:13,320 --> 00:20:18,050 ...and owed people money for, for drugs that he allegedly bought. 324 00:20:18,250 --> 00:20:21,130 Ashton was addicted to a drug called Nubain. 325 00:20:22,270 --> 00:20:24,770 And he was taking it, I guess, to work out. 326 00:20:24,970 --> 00:20:29,130 And it was some sort of steroid that helped him pump up. 327 00:20:30,620 --> 00:20:33,980 And Dad told me that Ashton had got caught 328 00:20:34,180 --> 00:20:36,400 smoking weed at the stables. 329 00:20:36,590 --> 00:20:39,710 I think that was the final straw for my dad 330 00:20:39,910 --> 00:20:41,120 and really pissed him off. 331 00:20:41,320 --> 00:20:44,500 He was livid because it was their livelihood. 332 00:20:44,700 --> 00:20:47,950 And marijuana wasn't legal then. 333 00:20:48,150 --> 00:20:51,640 So, the though that they could've lost 334 00:20:51,840 --> 00:20:53,460 their contract with the resort 335 00:20:53,660 --> 00:20:56,060 was first and forefront in his mind. 336 00:20:59,240 --> 00:21:01,430 One of my last conversations with my dad, 337 00:21:01,630 --> 00:21:03,290 we talked about Ashton 338 00:21:03,490 --> 00:21:06,460 and that things were getting complicated, 339 00:21:06,660 --> 00:21:09,640 and that he didn't know how much longer 340 00:21:09,840 --> 00:21:12,650 it was gonna be able to stay the way things were. 341 00:21:14,820 --> 00:21:17,150 [Whitney] Chuck had reached his breaking point with Ashton 342 00:21:17,350 --> 00:21:20,440 and decided it would be best if he just kicked him out of the house. 343 00:21:26,580 --> 00:21:29,330 Knowing this information that Ashton and Chuck 344 00:21:29,530 --> 00:21:31,710 had had this big disagreement, 345 00:21:31,910 --> 00:21:33,950 detectives go and question Ashton, 346 00:21:34,150 --> 00:21:36,500 who tells them that they had smoothed things over. 347 00:21:36,700 --> 00:21:40,190 It wasn't that big of a deal, everything was fine. 348 00:21:40,390 --> 00:21:42,640 [Petrosino] Ashton had an alibi for that night. 349 00:21:42,840 --> 00:21:45,650 He was with his girlfriend somewhere in public. 350 00:21:46,930 --> 00:21:49,550 And there were other people that verified it. 351 00:21:52,240 --> 00:21:53,880 [telephone ringing] 352 00:21:54,080 --> 00:21:57,530 [Petrosino] But detectives get a call from a family member 353 00:21:57,730 --> 00:22:01,710 who said that Ashton was out looking at new Cadillacs. 354 00:22:01,910 --> 00:22:05,000 And, uh, the family member found something wrong with that. 355 00:22:06,130 --> 00:22:09,220 Chuck has been dead two weeks, and now, 356 00:22:09,420 --> 00:22:12,480 Carole's son is out there looking at new cars. 357 00:22:18,580 --> 00:22:20,080 So, two weeks after the murder, 358 00:22:20,280 --> 00:22:23,880 on November 5th of '92, 359 00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:26,890 the detective goes back and questions Carole. 360 00:22:27,820 --> 00:22:30,260 When detectives brought up Ashton 361 00:22:30,460 --> 00:22:32,650 and supposedly, this fight, 362 00:22:33,310 --> 00:22:34,810 she talked about the fact 363 00:22:35,010 --> 00:22:37,890 that Ashton had been abusing some drugs. 364 00:22:40,310 --> 00:22:43,880 Chuck said to Carole that if she didn't back him up 365 00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:46,000 and get rid of Ashton from the house... 366 00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:48,310 ...he was gonna divorce her. 367 00:22:51,550 --> 00:22:53,910 But she believed that 368 00:22:54,110 --> 00:22:55,480 Ashton and Chuck 369 00:22:56,310 --> 00:22:59,460 had worked out whatever upset him 370 00:22:59,660 --> 00:23:02,510 and that everything was good between Ashton and Chuck. 371 00:23:05,580 --> 00:23:08,720 When asked about owing people money for drugs, 372 00:23:09,720 --> 00:23:11,980 Carole said that they discovered 373 00:23:12,180 --> 00:23:15,190 that he owed about $1,200 to somebody. 374 00:23:15,390 --> 00:23:18,810 And they just decided to pay it for him. 375 00:23:19,010 --> 00:23:21,270 And, uh, it was supposed to be the end of it. 376 00:23:27,550 --> 00:23:29,770 At some point during the investigation 377 00:23:29,970 --> 00:23:33,430 detectives get a call from the insurance company, 378 00:23:33,630 --> 00:23:35,530 which is not uncommon. 379 00:23:35,730 --> 00:23:38,910 Insurance companies will often call investigators 380 00:23:39,110 --> 00:23:40,620 on questionable deaths. 381 00:23:41,310 --> 00:23:42,710 And their question is, 382 00:23:42,910 --> 00:23:45,840 "Is anybody in the family involved? 383 00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:50,190 Because there's this $150,000, 384 00:23:50,390 --> 00:23:53,170 uh, accidental death insurance." 385 00:23:56,960 --> 00:23:58,930 [Schmidt] I can't imagine Carole wanting... 386 00:23:59,960 --> 00:24:01,770 ...him dead for money, for the simple fact that 387 00:24:01,970 --> 00:24:03,790 he was the one who helped make the money. 388 00:24:04,510 --> 00:24:05,650 It doesn't make sense. 389 00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:12,330 [Gold] One of the stories that Carole had told me 390 00:24:12,530 --> 00:24:15,020 was when her husband Kenny died, 391 00:24:15,220 --> 00:24:17,910 there was money, and... 392 00:24:18,110 --> 00:24:21,190 ...that she just kinda blew through all the money, 393 00:24:21,390 --> 00:24:24,960 and she just one day woke up and realized... 394 00:24:26,340 --> 00:24:27,710 ...there was nothing left. 395 00:24:27,910 --> 00:24:29,680 So she pretty much had to start over. 396 00:24:32,030 --> 00:24:34,600 [Holly] A lot of Bunnies talk about how the job 397 00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:37,670 paid so much more just from tips, 398 00:24:37,870 --> 00:24:39,500 than they would've made at any other job that 399 00:24:39,700 --> 00:24:41,650 would've been available to them in the early '60s. 400 00:24:43,510 --> 00:24:46,080 I think it would've been really difficult for someone like Carole, 401 00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:47,570 who at such a young age, 402 00:24:47,770 --> 00:24:49,360 had such financial freedom. 403 00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:52,060 And that's a very hard lifestyle to transition out of. 404 00:25:01,620 --> 00:25:04,480 [Gold] When I went to Phoenix after the funeral, 405 00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:06,930 I looked at Ashton... 406 00:25:08,340 --> 00:25:12,080 ...and at that moment, I realized that Ashton was wearing... 407 00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:14,410 ...a ring and a bracelet that were my grandfather's. 408 00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:21,330 So I walked over to Carole and I went, 409 00:25:21,530 --> 00:25:24,510 "I noticed that Ashton was wearing Grandpa's ring." 410 00:25:26,820 --> 00:25:28,740 And she looked at me and she said, 411 00:25:28,940 --> 00:25:31,000 "Well, yeah, Dad said he could have them." 412 00:25:33,750 --> 00:25:37,330 And I said, "You're mistaken. 413 00:25:37,530 --> 00:25:41,840 Because Dad and I talked about it last time I was here... 414 00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:43,840 ...that whatever was Grandpa's would go to me. 415 00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:47,120 So he would never have let Ashton wear Grandpa's ring and bracelet." 416 00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:48,530 "Well, Stephy, he did." 417 00:25:48,730 --> 00:25:50,060 "Well, no, Carole, he didn't." 418 00:25:51,750 --> 00:25:53,950 I think that's the first time 419 00:25:54,150 --> 00:25:56,550 I really thought about it, and really... 420 00:25:57,930 --> 00:25:59,680 ...went, "Oh, my God. 421 00:26:01,750 --> 00:26:03,270 Are they both involved?" 422 00:26:21,310 --> 00:26:24,080 [reading] "Who are you? It does not take long 423 00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:27,360 before the answer to that question becomes complex. 424 00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:29,510 When I was 25, I could answer that 425 00:26:30,410 --> 00:26:33,030 my name is Carole, or Ms. Cottini. 426 00:26:34,820 --> 00:26:36,530 I am the eighth grade teacher. 427 00:26:36,730 --> 00:26:39,880 Or, 'Good evening, I'm your Bunny, Carole.' 428 00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:42,910 Can you imagine my eighth graders telling their parents 429 00:26:43,110 --> 00:26:44,890 that their teacher was a Playboy Bunny? 430 00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:46,720 Neither could I." 431 00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:58,220 [Whitney] The detective ends up confronting Carole 432 00:26:58,420 --> 00:27:00,260 about that accidental death policy, 433 00:27:00,460 --> 00:27:02,360 something that she hadn't talked about at all 434 00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:03,430 in that first interview. 435 00:27:03,630 --> 00:27:05,640 And she says to the detective that 436 00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:08,840 she didn't know about it until after Chuck died, 437 00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:11,200 that Chuck was the one who organized this. 438 00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:16,080 She knew she was paying $75 a month into something, 439 00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:19,440 but didn't really know what, and that's what that was. 440 00:27:20,820 --> 00:27:23,740 [Petrosino] Every time detectives find something that 441 00:27:23,940 --> 00:27:25,640 undermines what she said before, 442 00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:27,510 she has to modify her story. 443 00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:29,750 And she does that. 444 00:27:31,750 --> 00:27:34,460 The one thing about doing police investigations 445 00:27:34,660 --> 00:27:38,290 is that if you get somebody that's telling you the truth, 446 00:27:38,490 --> 00:27:39,980 it doesn't change. 447 00:27:40,180 --> 00:27:42,290 But there isn't anything that 448 00:27:42,490 --> 00:27:44,410 detectives found at that point 449 00:27:45,310 --> 00:27:46,790 that shows that... 450 00:27:47,860 --> 00:27:49,930 ...Carole actually did it. 451 00:27:56,620 --> 00:27:58,290 In early November, 452 00:27:58,490 --> 00:28:01,740 detectives went back and made a second 453 00:28:01,940 --> 00:28:03,960 contact with Ashton. 454 00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:07,500 It's possible that that drug problem 455 00:28:07,700 --> 00:28:09,000 is connected to the murder. 456 00:28:10,550 --> 00:28:12,710 [Whitney] The detective comes up with this plan 457 00:28:12,910 --> 00:28:14,500 to confront Ashton, 458 00:28:14,700 --> 00:28:16,710 and kind of makes up the fact that he knows 459 00:28:16,910 --> 00:28:19,150 a drug dealer that Ashton knows 460 00:28:19,350 --> 00:28:20,960 is involved in this murder. 461 00:28:22,030 --> 00:28:23,430 He doesn't actually know that for sure, 462 00:28:23,630 --> 00:28:25,020 but he thinks if he brings that up to Ashton, 463 00:28:25,220 --> 00:28:27,570 he might get more information out of him. 464 00:28:27,770 --> 00:28:29,530 [Petrosino] The trouble with lying to suspects 465 00:28:29,730 --> 00:28:31,640 or investigative leads 466 00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:34,080 is that if you guess wrong, 467 00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:36,860 then they know you're just fishing. 468 00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:41,500 [Whitney] The detective says, 469 00:28:41,700 --> 00:28:43,050 "You know, it'd be really helpful 470 00:28:43,250 --> 00:28:46,430 if you could give us a name of any of these drug dealers 471 00:28:46,630 --> 00:28:48,820 that you're associated with or have worked with." 472 00:28:50,650 --> 00:28:52,860 [Petrosino] And Ashton panicked a little bit. 473 00:28:54,270 --> 00:28:55,270 And then he gives up... 474 00:28:57,000 --> 00:28:58,100 ...Bob Pryor. 475 00:29:00,030 --> 00:29:02,950 [Gold] Bob Pryor was Ashton's drug dealer. 476 00:29:03,150 --> 00:29:05,460 And that's where he got his Nubain from. 477 00:29:05,660 --> 00:29:08,810 Bob was also a physical trainer at a gym, 478 00:29:09,010 --> 00:29:10,310 which Ashton joined. 479 00:29:11,410 --> 00:29:13,600 [Petrosino] Bob Pryor is one of those guys 480 00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:15,810 that if you work certain assignments, 481 00:29:16,010 --> 00:29:18,080 his name probably would've come up. 482 00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:21,030 He would've been known to the Phoenix police department. 483 00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:26,950 The detectives are very familiar with Bob Pryor and his rap sheet. 484 00:29:27,150 --> 00:29:30,000 They have an informant who knows about Bob Pryor. 485 00:29:32,820 --> 00:29:34,500 [Petrosino] September of 1993, 486 00:29:34,700 --> 00:29:36,740 the detective is able to get in contact 487 00:29:36,940 --> 00:29:40,310 with Dan Goddard, who is, who is the CI. 488 00:29:41,550 --> 00:29:44,130 A CI is confidential informant. 489 00:29:45,100 --> 00:29:46,880 [Whitney] The detective asks Goddard 490 00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:49,150 if he knows Ashton. 491 00:29:49,350 --> 00:29:51,150 And Goddard tells the officer 492 00:29:51,350 --> 00:29:52,820 he had met Ashton once. 493 00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:56,600 And there was a conversation relayed to Dan Goddard 494 00:29:56,800 --> 00:29:59,290 that Ashton had told Pryor 495 00:29:59,490 --> 00:30:01,670 that he hated his stepdad so much, 496 00:30:01,870 --> 00:30:04,200 he was willing to pay to get him killed. 497 00:30:07,510 --> 00:30:08,550 [gunshots] 498 00:30:10,100 --> 00:30:11,400 [Whitney] The detective asks Goddard 499 00:30:11,590 --> 00:30:14,570 if he knows where Bob Pryor was 500 00:30:14,770 --> 00:30:16,810 on October 20th, 1992. 501 00:30:17,010 --> 00:30:19,680 And Goddard says, "Yeah, I was with him." 502 00:30:21,270 --> 00:30:23,500 Goddard was driving Bob Pryor around, 503 00:30:23,700 --> 00:30:26,770 and he tells the detective they stopped at a gas station, 504 00:30:26,970 --> 00:30:31,770 which was conveniently right around the corner from the Gold's house. 505 00:30:31,970 --> 00:30:34,720 [Petrosino] He said that Pryor was wearing a heavy jacket... 506 00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:37,000 ...he's got a gun. 507 00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:42,880 Um, Mr. Goddard talked about, uh, it being a, 508 00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:46,400 a small-caliber pistol or gun, 509 00:30:46,590 --> 00:30:48,430 uh, probably a .22. 510 00:30:48,630 --> 00:30:51,000 And he talks about a silencer. 511 00:30:52,750 --> 00:30:54,150 [Whitney] Bob Pryor got out of the car 512 00:30:54,350 --> 00:30:56,930 with a .22 caliber gun under his jacket. 513 00:31:00,410 --> 00:31:02,190 That gun matches the casings 514 00:31:02,390 --> 00:31:04,580 that were found around Chuck Gold's body. 515 00:31:10,130 --> 00:31:11,740 Dan Goddard tells the detective 516 00:31:11,940 --> 00:31:14,500 Bob Pryor disappeared for a period of time 517 00:31:14,700 --> 00:31:16,310 and he didn't know where he went. 518 00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:22,120 And suddenly, Bob Pryor and Ashton 519 00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:24,600 moved from investigative lead 520 00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:26,360 to the suspect column 521 00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:28,580 on your police report. 522 00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:35,980 [LaLama] When detectives start looking into Bob Pryor, 523 00:31:36,180 --> 00:31:38,530 they find out in an unrelated case, 524 00:31:38,730 --> 00:31:41,460 police took $9,000 in cash 525 00:31:41,660 --> 00:31:44,710 and a bunch of weapons from his house. 526 00:31:44,910 --> 00:31:48,220 Bob Pryor had been complaining that he wants that stuff back, 527 00:31:48,420 --> 00:31:51,220 so this is the perfect ruse 528 00:31:51,420 --> 00:31:53,480 to get him into the police department. 529 00:31:55,580 --> 00:31:57,670 [Petrosino] The decision was, give him a call, 530 00:31:57,870 --> 00:31:59,670 tell him we're giving him his guns back, 531 00:31:59,870 --> 00:32:01,340 uh, just have him come on down, and... 532 00:32:02,820 --> 00:32:05,710 He came down, he didn't get his guns back. 533 00:32:05,910 --> 00:32:08,200 But, uh, he did get interviewed by detectives. 534 00:32:10,130 --> 00:32:11,880 [LaLama] In just a few minutes 535 00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:13,880 into his conversation with detectives, 536 00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:16,220 he realizes, "Oh, wait a minute. 537 00:32:16,420 --> 00:32:18,030 This is about a murder." 538 00:32:20,030 --> 00:32:23,460 Now that detectives have the attention of Bob Pryor, 539 00:32:23,660 --> 00:32:25,430 it's their chance to say to him, 540 00:32:25,630 --> 00:32:27,950 "So, uh, Bob, just how much 541 00:32:28,150 --> 00:32:31,860 were you paid to carry out a hit on Chuck Gold?" 542 00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:35,370 [Whitney] And eventually, he starts to crack. 543 00:32:36,820 --> 00:32:39,530 Bob Pryor tells them it was $9,000, 544 00:32:39,730 --> 00:32:42,200 and the police had seized that when they took his guns and drugs. 545 00:32:47,060 --> 00:32:50,220 Bob pretty much gives himself up almost immediately, 546 00:32:50,420 --> 00:32:53,080 and admits he was involved in this plan, 547 00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:56,120 but he's got a lot more to tell to detectives 548 00:32:56,320 --> 00:32:59,290 when he says Carole Gold 549 00:32:59,490 --> 00:33:01,440 was really the mastermind. 550 00:33:10,340 --> 00:33:13,750 Carole Gold had it all when she was a Playboy Bunny, and she lost that. 551 00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:17,770 She has this thriving business with Chuck, 552 00:33:17,970 --> 00:33:20,190 and there was probably the fear of losing that, too. 553 00:33:20,390 --> 00:33:22,130 She wasn't gonna go through losing it all again. 554 00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:26,710 Faced with the threat of Chuck divorcing her, 555 00:33:26,910 --> 00:33:29,270 Carole was probably scared and angry. 556 00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:38,670 [Petrosino] During his interview with detectives, 557 00:33:38,870 --> 00:33:41,570 Bob Pryor gave some statements 558 00:33:41,770 --> 00:33:45,080 that implicated Carole and Ashton 559 00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:47,740 as being the people that had hired him 560 00:33:47,940 --> 00:33:50,260 for, for $9,000 561 00:33:50,460 --> 00:33:52,310 to kill Mr. Gold. 562 00:33:57,440 --> 00:33:59,330 He'd also implicated them 563 00:33:59,530 --> 00:34:03,310 in a prior separate murder attempt on Chuck, 564 00:34:04,100 --> 00:34:06,080 where Carole and Ashton 565 00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:09,480 put rat poison in his dinner. 566 00:34:10,890 --> 00:34:12,240 But he didn't die. 567 00:34:15,170 --> 00:34:17,080 He didn't like the way that it tasted 568 00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:18,820 and threw it away. 569 00:34:20,550 --> 00:34:21,810 [Whitney] With this new information, 570 00:34:22,010 --> 00:34:24,400 the detective heads back over to the horse stables 571 00:34:24,590 --> 00:34:27,570 and arrests both Ashton and Carole 572 00:34:27,770 --> 00:34:29,050 for murder, and conspiracy 573 00:34:29,250 --> 00:34:31,000 to commit murder on Chuck Gold. 574 00:34:37,030 --> 00:34:39,500 [LaLama] Detectives bring Carole back in, 575 00:34:39,700 --> 00:34:41,400 they've got more questions for her. 576 00:34:41,590 --> 00:34:44,460 This time, she clams up. 577 00:34:44,660 --> 00:34:46,370 Carole wants a lawyer. 578 00:34:47,620 --> 00:34:48,980 [Petrosino] Carole's released. 579 00:34:49,180 --> 00:34:51,930 There was no physical tie 580 00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:54,000 to Carole. 581 00:34:55,340 --> 00:34:57,880 But they charged Ashton and Pryor 582 00:34:58,080 --> 00:35:00,810 with conspiracy to commit first-degree murder 583 00:35:01,010 --> 00:35:02,930 and first-degree murder. 584 00:35:11,310 --> 00:35:13,460 [Whitney] After Carole was released, the detective goes 585 00:35:13,660 --> 00:35:16,190 to talk to John and Sharon Novoselski, 586 00:35:16,390 --> 00:35:18,890 who were good friends of Carole and Chuck's. 587 00:35:21,340 --> 00:35:23,640 He had talked to them before, but he wanted to go back 588 00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:25,150 just to see if he could find out 589 00:35:25,350 --> 00:35:27,440 any other information that could help. 590 00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:32,190 The Novoselskis end up giving the detective 591 00:35:32,390 --> 00:35:33,500 a piece of information 592 00:35:33,700 --> 00:35:36,060 that gets him one step closer to solving the case. 593 00:35:37,410 --> 00:35:39,980 [Petrosino] John and Sharon indicated that 594 00:35:40,180 --> 00:35:43,050 it was a really, really bad time 595 00:35:43,250 --> 00:35:45,440 in Chuck and Carole's marriage. 596 00:35:48,100 --> 00:35:50,980 [Whitney] But probably the biggest piece of information 597 00:35:51,180 --> 00:35:52,670 they tell the detective 598 00:35:52,870 --> 00:35:55,400 is that they know Chuck did not know 599 00:35:55,590 --> 00:35:57,790 about any kind of insurance policy. 600 00:35:58,930 --> 00:36:00,890 [Petrosino] Chuck had been denied insurance, 601 00:36:01,550 --> 00:36:03,500 I'm assuming life insurance, 602 00:36:03,700 --> 00:36:05,170 because of health issues. 603 00:36:08,650 --> 00:36:10,950 The detective was able to obtain 604 00:36:11,150 --> 00:36:14,080 handwriting samples for Chuck 605 00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:15,860 and other family members. 606 00:36:17,370 --> 00:36:19,880 But the handwriting analysts 607 00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:23,770 told him that, uh, Chuck did not sign 608 00:36:23,970 --> 00:36:26,720 the application for the insurance. 609 00:36:28,580 --> 00:36:31,400 And that, in fact, his signature 610 00:36:31,590 --> 00:36:32,650 was done by Carole. 611 00:36:36,170 --> 00:36:38,130 The application was fraudulent. 612 00:36:41,060 --> 00:36:43,030 [Gold] And I later found out that 613 00:36:43,890 --> 00:36:46,260 Carole hired an attorney 614 00:36:46,460 --> 00:36:49,880 to get the money, and the police were trying 615 00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:52,950 to not release the money, 616 00:36:53,150 --> 00:36:55,880 because they still hadn't 617 00:36:56,080 --> 00:37:00,290 cleared her from being a suspect. 618 00:37:00,490 --> 00:37:04,060 But they didn't have enough to hold the insurance company from not paying it. 619 00:37:11,890 --> 00:37:14,190 [Whitney] In December of 1994, the trial starts 620 00:37:14,390 --> 00:37:16,270 for Ashton and Bob Pryor. 621 00:37:18,030 --> 00:37:20,840 But it's a deadlocked jury in the end, 622 00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:24,270 and eventually it's declared a mistrial in 1995. 623 00:37:26,930 --> 00:37:28,640 [Schmidt] They got a hung jury, and that's probably 624 00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:30,710 because they couldn't connect the dots. 625 00:37:30,910 --> 00:37:33,770 If I was having trouble with sitting in the gallery, 626 00:37:33,970 --> 00:37:35,550 I'm sure the jury was, too. 627 00:37:41,240 --> 00:37:43,910 [LaLama] Not long after Bob's mistrial, 628 00:37:44,110 --> 00:37:46,330 he manages to get himself into big trouble 629 00:37:46,530 --> 00:37:49,810 on unrelated charges, federal charges, 630 00:37:50,010 --> 00:37:52,500 having to do with drug distribution, so, 631 00:37:52,700 --> 00:37:56,460 what he decides to do is plead down his sentence 632 00:37:56,660 --> 00:37:59,840 by promising to testify in future trials 633 00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:02,750 against Ashton and his mom Carole. 634 00:38:05,310 --> 00:38:08,080 [Petrosino] In 1995 on 2nd of August, 635 00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:10,710 Ashton and Carole are re-arrested 636 00:38:10,910 --> 00:38:14,410 for murder and conspiracy of Chuck. 637 00:38:15,340 --> 00:38:17,810 [LaLama] I've covered so many 638 00:38:18,010 --> 00:38:19,880 of these murder-for-hire cases 639 00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:21,740 and it's usually spouse-on-spouse, 640 00:38:21,940 --> 00:38:25,220 and the spouse killers think they're so clever. 641 00:38:25,420 --> 00:38:28,100 But they always make a stupid mistake. 642 00:38:29,620 --> 00:38:33,190 [Petrosino] Document scientists determine that... 643 00:38:33,390 --> 00:38:36,860 ...Chuck hadn't filled out the insurance paperwork that Carole had. 644 00:38:39,130 --> 00:38:41,220 Which undermined her story that 645 00:38:41,420 --> 00:38:43,220 she didn't have any information about 646 00:38:43,420 --> 00:38:45,190 the life insurance 647 00:38:45,390 --> 00:38:47,620 or, or how much it was for. 648 00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:53,410 It would be pretty hard to explain that away. 649 00:38:56,930 --> 00:38:58,430 [Whitney] After Carole's second arrest, 650 00:38:58,630 --> 00:39:02,050 the detective is hoping she's going to come forward 651 00:39:02,250 --> 00:39:04,330 with anything more she did the first time. 652 00:39:04,530 --> 00:39:05,950 So they pull her into a room 653 00:39:06,150 --> 00:39:07,550 to interrogate her one more time. 654 00:39:09,370 --> 00:39:11,050 [Petrosino] In the final interview, 655 00:39:11,250 --> 00:39:12,880 Carole makes statements 656 00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:15,570 admitting involvement in the case, 657 00:39:15,770 --> 00:39:18,150 and makes a statement, 658 00:39:18,350 --> 00:39:21,150 "You're on the right track, 659 00:39:21,350 --> 00:39:23,130 but the wrong train." 660 00:39:25,410 --> 00:39:28,650 And she never clarifies what she means by that. 661 00:39:29,890 --> 00:39:30,980 I believe that 662 00:39:31,180 --> 00:39:34,050 they conspired together, 663 00:39:34,250 --> 00:39:35,740 Ashton and Carole, 664 00:39:35,940 --> 00:39:38,220 with a third party that was the trigger man. 665 00:39:38,420 --> 00:39:39,370 [gunshots] 666 00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:46,370 [Gold] On the day that she was arrested in '93, 667 00:39:47,270 --> 00:39:48,840 I never heard from her again. 668 00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:51,370 Not a single person in the family ever heard from her again. 669 00:39:52,620 --> 00:39:55,510 She never called to say, "It's not true. 670 00:39:56,720 --> 00:39:59,240 I'll take care of it. I'll explain it all." 671 00:40:00,240 --> 00:40:01,200 Not once. 672 00:40:05,580 --> 00:40:07,340 There's no betrayal worse than that. 673 00:40:17,820 --> 00:40:20,460 [Petrosino] On August 4th of 1997, 674 00:40:20,660 --> 00:40:24,000 the trial of Ashton and Carole started. 675 00:40:25,410 --> 00:40:27,220 During the course of the trial, 676 00:40:27,420 --> 00:40:29,480 Ashton pleads guilty to conspiracy... 677 00:40:31,930 --> 00:40:35,000 ...and is later sentenced to 18 years in prison. 678 00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:40,910 And the trial proceeds against his mother. 679 00:40:41,110 --> 00:40:43,860 At the end of the trial, the jury comes back with... 680 00:40:44,860 --> 00:40:46,400 ...guilty on two counts, 681 00:40:46,590 --> 00:40:48,860 conspiracy and murder one. 682 00:40:50,930 --> 00:40:54,770 She's sentence to 25 to life, 683 00:40:54,970 --> 00:40:58,480 with the possibility of receiving parole. 684 00:41:00,240 --> 00:41:02,770 [Whitney] Thanks to the deal that Bob Pryor had cut, 685 00:41:02,970 --> 00:41:04,600 he was only sentenced to 20 years 686 00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:06,720 in a medium-security prison. 687 00:41:13,270 --> 00:41:16,000 I felt my dad got the justice he deserved. 688 00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:22,310 [inhales] 689 00:41:23,580 --> 00:41:24,580 It was tough... 690 00:41:25,820 --> 00:41:27,100 ...being in court every day. 691 00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:30,640 The sentencing took place a month later, 692 00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:32,820 where I was able to give my victim impact statement. 693 00:41:34,100 --> 00:41:35,640 I apologized to the judge, 694 00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:37,440 but I told Carole to rot in Hell. 695 00:41:39,170 --> 00:41:41,240 And that's one of the hardest things it's been for me, 696 00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:43,620 because I loved her. 697 00:41:44,410 --> 00:41:46,310 She was part of my family. 698 00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:50,060 And she broke my heart. 699 00:41:56,340 --> 00:41:58,360 [Holly] Carole's ultimate fear was losing her wealth 700 00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:01,910 and losing her share of a thriving business. 701 00:42:02,110 --> 00:42:04,430 Playboy and give you a taste of the high life, 702 00:42:04,630 --> 00:42:06,910 but that doesn't last forever. 703 00:42:07,110 --> 00:42:08,810 And when Carole was afraid she was going to lose 704 00:42:09,010 --> 00:42:11,120 her marriage, her lifestyle, her business, 705 00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:13,480 she was prepared to kill to make sure that didn't happen. 56659

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