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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:04,265 --> 00:00:06,310 In the criminal justice system, 2 00:00:06,310 --> 00:00:07,659 the people are represented 3 00:00:07,659 --> 00:00:10,140 by two separate, yet equally important groups: 4 00:00:10,140 --> 00:00:11,924 the police, who investigate crime, 5 00:00:11,924 --> 00:00:14,840 and the district attorneys, who prosecute the offenders. 6 00:00:14,840 --> 00:00:16,581 These are their stories. 7 00:01:05,021 --> 00:01:06,979 Hey. 8 00:01:06,979 --> 00:01:09,069 Where you headed tonight, beautiful? 9 00:01:09,069 --> 00:01:11,114 Can I come? 10 00:01:11,114 --> 00:01:13,116 Come on. Where you going? 11 00:01:13,116 --> 00:01:15,031 Come back. 12 00:01:23,953 --> 00:01:26,129 Oh, sorry, I didn't mean to-- 13 00:01:33,049 --> 00:01:34,442 Station's locked down. 14 00:01:34,442 --> 00:01:36,226 MTA is rerouting trains in both directions, 15 00:01:36,226 --> 00:01:38,533 but they're eager to get things moving again. 16 00:01:38,533 --> 00:01:40,752 Where's that level of urgency when there isn't a dead body 17 00:01:40,752 --> 00:01:42,145 to deal with? 18 00:01:45,279 --> 00:01:46,758 Cause of death? 19 00:01:46,758 --> 00:01:48,108 Can't say for sure. 20 00:01:48,108 --> 00:01:49,718 But given the petechial hemorrhaging, 21 00:01:49,718 --> 00:01:50,936 my guess is asphyxia. 22 00:01:50,936 --> 00:01:52,851 So he was strangled to death. 23 00:01:52,851 --> 00:01:55,158 How long ago did this happen? - Less than an hour. 24 00:01:55,158 --> 00:01:57,813 - Any witnesses? - None so far. 25 00:01:57,813 --> 00:01:59,641 The MTA worker who found the body said 26 00:01:59,641 --> 00:02:01,469 he walked the car 15 minutes before, 27 00:02:01,469 --> 00:02:03,775 but he didn't see anything unusual. 28 00:02:03,775 --> 00:02:07,127 So the call came in at 12:34, so the murder had to happen 29 00:02:07,127 --> 00:02:09,346 sometime between 12:15 and 12:30. 30 00:02:09,346 --> 00:02:11,261 We need the security footage from every station 31 00:02:11,261 --> 00:02:13,045 the train passed through in that window, okay? 32 00:02:13,045 --> 00:02:14,612 Okay. 33 00:02:14,612 --> 00:02:19,182 All right, young man, let's see. 34 00:02:19,182 --> 00:02:21,141 No phone. 35 00:02:21,141 --> 00:02:24,622 Oh, vic's still got his wallet. 36 00:02:26,537 --> 00:02:29,584 Ellis Joyner, just turned 24. 37 00:02:29,584 --> 00:02:31,803 Yeah, I thought he looked familiar. 38 00:02:31,803 --> 00:02:32,978 You know him? 39 00:02:32,978 --> 00:02:35,851 Not personally, he's a stand-up comic. 40 00:02:35,851 --> 00:02:37,200 Came from down South, 41 00:02:37,200 --> 00:02:39,811 loved to talk about how much he liked New York. 42 00:02:39,811 --> 00:02:41,639 Great place to live... 43 00:02:41,639 --> 00:02:43,859 not such a great place to die. 44 00:03:32,299 --> 00:03:35,867 We found bleeding in the anterior neck strap muscles, 45 00:03:35,867 --> 00:03:39,001 as well as fractures in the hyoid bone 46 00:03:39,001 --> 00:03:40,872 and thyroid cartilage horns. 47 00:03:40,872 --> 00:03:42,526 And that means? 48 00:03:42,526 --> 00:03:44,006 He died of cerebral ischemia 49 00:03:44,006 --> 00:03:46,095 due to a lack of blood flow to the brain. 50 00:03:46,095 --> 00:03:47,836 I'd say his carotid arteries 51 00:03:47,836 --> 00:03:50,317 and jugular vein were compressed bilaterally, 52 00:03:50,317 --> 00:03:51,709 like this. 53 00:03:51,709 --> 00:03:53,537 So the killer had him in a sleeper hold? 54 00:03:53,537 --> 00:03:55,844 Exactly, a carotid sleeper hold. 55 00:03:55,844 --> 00:03:57,541 So you're saying our vic was choked to death. 56 00:03:57,541 --> 00:03:59,282 Yes, and it's not like 57 00:03:59,282 --> 00:04:02,067 he had an easy time breathing on his own. 58 00:04:02,067 --> 00:04:03,417 What do you mean? 59 00:04:03,417 --> 00:04:05,201 ME pulled Joyner's medical records. 60 00:04:05,201 --> 00:04:07,421 Turns out he had severe asthma. 61 00:04:07,421 --> 00:04:08,944 She said his lungs were hyperinflated, 62 00:04:08,944 --> 00:04:11,947 which means he was likely having an attack when he died. 63 00:04:11,947 --> 00:04:13,601 - Was that the cause of death? - No. 64 00:04:13,601 --> 00:04:15,385 That would be strangulation, 65 00:04:15,385 --> 00:04:17,605 probably from a lethal choke hold. 66 00:04:17,605 --> 00:04:19,476 What else do we know about the vic? 67 00:04:19,476 --> 00:04:21,391 He was single, lived alone. 68 00:04:21,391 --> 00:04:23,741 Both parents were deceased. 69 00:04:23,741 --> 00:04:25,308 His latest comedy special on YouTube 70 00:04:25,308 --> 00:04:27,571 had over a million views-- the guy was pretty popular. 71 00:04:27,571 --> 00:04:29,486 Yeah, well, not with everyone. 72 00:04:29,486 --> 00:04:31,445 What about his phone? Did we ping it? 73 00:04:31,445 --> 00:04:32,750 No signal. 74 00:04:32,750 --> 00:04:35,100 Bright side is, the MLI found fresh blood 75 00:04:35,100 --> 00:04:37,102 on Joyner's jacket that didn't match his blood type, 76 00:04:37,102 --> 00:04:38,930 so the lab's going through that right now. 77 00:04:38,930 --> 00:04:41,498 All right, so where are we with the video footage? 78 00:04:41,498 --> 00:04:43,326 Our train passed through 6 stations 79 00:04:43,326 --> 00:04:44,806 within the 15-minute window. 80 00:04:44,806 --> 00:04:47,939 Of the 6, 4 of them had cameras that were broken. 81 00:04:47,939 --> 00:04:50,115 Footage from the 2 stations that had working cameras 82 00:04:50,115 --> 00:04:52,814 caught a few dozen people getting on and off the trains. 83 00:04:52,814 --> 00:04:54,642 Yeah, except none of 'em go into 84 00:04:54,642 --> 00:04:56,339 or out of the car where Joyner was found. 85 00:04:56,339 --> 00:04:59,342 Hey, so Joyner's MetroCard was swiped 86 00:04:59,342 --> 00:05:01,692 at 14th Street Station, where he got on. 87 00:05:01,692 --> 00:05:03,259 There were no working cameras there either. 88 00:05:03,259 --> 00:05:06,610 But I pulled street-cam footage from outside the station. 89 00:05:06,610 --> 00:05:08,873 The closest I could get was a few blocks away, 90 00:05:08,873 --> 00:05:10,919 but I found this. 91 00:05:17,012 --> 00:05:18,492 Well, that dude does not look happy. 92 00:05:18,492 --> 00:05:21,190 - Yeah. - Can you zoom in on his face? 93 00:05:23,279 --> 00:05:24,628 Wait, is that-- 94 00:05:24,628 --> 00:05:26,761 - Malcolm Paige? - The comedian? 95 00:05:26,761 --> 00:05:28,893 He used to open for Chappelle back in the day. 96 00:05:28,893 --> 00:05:30,547 Track him down. 97 00:05:31,983 --> 00:05:34,377 An audience member at your show last night 98 00:05:34,377 --> 00:05:35,944 posted this to their social media. 99 00:05:35,944 --> 00:05:37,249 It'd be a massive disappointment 100 00:05:37,249 --> 00:05:39,687 if he was even remotely relevant anymore. 101 00:05:39,687 --> 00:05:41,297 But you know what they say. 102 00:05:41,297 --> 00:05:43,430 You either die a hero or live long enough 103 00:05:43,430 --> 00:05:45,170 to become Malcolm Paige. 104 00:05:47,999 --> 00:05:50,872 Is that why you attacked him after the show? 105 00:05:50,872 --> 00:05:53,657 He attacked me. 106 00:05:53,657 --> 00:05:55,790 Got his panties all in a twist because he didn't like 107 00:05:55,790 --> 00:05:58,836 some of the jokes I was tellin'. 108 00:05:58,836 --> 00:06:01,926 Hit too close to home for fancy boy. 109 00:06:01,926 --> 00:06:05,190 Is this you trying to imply that Joyner was gay? 110 00:06:05,190 --> 00:06:06,627 I ain't implying nothing. 111 00:06:06,627 --> 00:06:08,324 The point is, he embarrassed you 112 00:06:08,324 --> 00:06:11,109 in front of what was supposed to be your audience. 113 00:06:11,109 --> 00:06:12,937 I mean, it must've really pissed you off, huh? 114 00:06:12,937 --> 00:06:14,548 Whatever. 115 00:06:14,548 --> 00:06:17,072 You know, we have video of you taking a swing at Joyner. 116 00:06:17,072 --> 00:06:19,204 So what happened? 117 00:06:19,204 --> 00:06:21,685 You follow him down the subway, try to finish the fight? 118 00:06:21,685 --> 00:06:23,121 My car service picked me up 119 00:06:23,121 --> 00:06:25,559 right after Joyner ran off like a little bitch, 120 00:06:25,559 --> 00:06:27,125 followed by his b-- 121 00:06:29,606 --> 00:06:31,434 Boyfriend in tow. 122 00:06:31,434 --> 00:06:33,044 You're saying he was with somebody? 123 00:06:33,044 --> 00:06:35,873 He was with a dude, 124 00:06:35,873 --> 00:06:39,442 and they weren't getting along either. 125 00:06:39,442 --> 00:06:42,140 Paige's car service confirms his alibi. 126 00:06:42,140 --> 00:06:44,186 I went through Joyner's texts and emails in the cloud. 127 00:06:44,186 --> 00:06:45,796 There's no evidence he had a boyfriend. 128 00:06:45,796 --> 00:06:48,190 Well, I think that's 'cause he was still in the closet. 129 00:06:48,190 --> 00:06:49,583 I contacted the Travlr app. 130 00:06:49,583 --> 00:06:52,063 They gave me access to his account here. 131 00:06:52,063 --> 00:06:54,979 It looks like he was dating somebody he met on the site. 132 00:06:54,979 --> 00:06:58,722 A lot of messages between him and a guy named Michael Zane. 133 00:06:58,722 --> 00:07:00,289 He's in the system. 134 00:07:00,289 --> 00:07:03,510 Zane was arrested for aggravated assault last year. 135 00:07:03,510 --> 00:07:04,728 Hmm. 136 00:07:04,728 --> 00:07:05,729 Yeah, these two were definitely 137 00:07:05,729 --> 00:07:07,122 in some kind of fight. 138 00:07:07,122 --> 00:07:09,951 I mean, "Keep on like this, you'll end up dead." 139 00:07:09,951 --> 00:07:11,735 Either the Zane guy can see the future or-- 140 00:07:11,735 --> 00:07:14,912 - Or he's our killer. - Mm-hmm. 141 00:07:19,134 --> 00:07:20,614 I didn't kill Ellis. 142 00:07:20,614 --> 00:07:23,399 I cared about him very much. 143 00:07:23,399 --> 00:07:25,445 "Keep on like this, and you're gonna end up dead." 144 00:07:25,445 --> 00:07:28,099 You didn't send that message? - No, not like that. 145 00:07:28,099 --> 00:07:32,060 I was talking about his... self-hatred. 146 00:07:32,060 --> 00:07:33,496 We have an eyewitness 147 00:07:33,496 --> 00:07:35,498 that puts the two of you together night before last. 148 00:07:35,498 --> 00:07:37,457 Said you guys were in some kind of fight. 149 00:07:37,457 --> 00:07:39,023 We were. 150 00:07:39,023 --> 00:07:41,069 I thought things would be better for him 151 00:07:41,069 --> 00:07:43,724 if he allowed himself to live openly, 152 00:07:43,724 --> 00:07:46,117 but he refused. 153 00:07:46,117 --> 00:07:47,945 He was convinced his fan base would turn on him. 154 00:07:47,945 --> 00:07:49,556 This fight ever turn physical? 155 00:07:49,556 --> 00:07:51,035 No, of course not. 156 00:07:51,035 --> 00:07:54,212 We are aware of your prior for aggravated assault. 157 00:07:54,212 --> 00:07:56,954 I was in a bar when two dudes got into a fight. 158 00:07:56,954 --> 00:07:59,957 I tried to break things up, but... 159 00:07:59,957 --> 00:08:03,265 I'm Black, so when the cops showed up-- 160 00:08:03,265 --> 00:08:06,355 So you were on the train with Ellis that night? 161 00:08:06,355 --> 00:08:07,487 Yeah. 162 00:08:07,487 --> 00:08:09,010 Malcolm Paige had just attacked him, 163 00:08:09,010 --> 00:08:11,578 and he said he wanted time to be alone. 164 00:08:11,578 --> 00:08:16,104 So I got off after a few stops, went home. 165 00:08:16,104 --> 00:08:18,454 Did you notice anything suspicious 166 00:08:18,454 --> 00:08:21,022 while you were on the subway? 167 00:08:21,022 --> 00:08:23,285 Yeah. 168 00:08:23,285 --> 00:08:25,940 Uh, there was a guy on the subway with us, 169 00:08:25,940 --> 00:08:27,550 white guy. 170 00:08:27,550 --> 00:08:29,596 He kept staring at us. 171 00:08:29,596 --> 00:08:32,860 And when I got up to get off, he stepped in my way. 172 00:08:32,860 --> 00:08:34,514 - On purpose? - Yeah. 173 00:08:34,514 --> 00:08:37,081 I wasn't in the mood, so I just brushed past him. 174 00:08:37,081 --> 00:08:38,561 Did he say anything to you? 175 00:08:38,561 --> 00:08:40,041 "Watch yourself." 176 00:08:40,041 --> 00:08:42,478 - Can you describe him? - Brown hair. 177 00:08:42,478 --> 00:08:45,568 He was wearing bright-yellow sneakers, 178 00:08:45,568 --> 00:08:47,439 like, neon, 179 00:08:47,439 --> 00:08:49,485 and a hoodie 180 00:08:49,485 --> 00:08:51,966 with some kind of symbol on the back. 181 00:08:55,665 --> 00:08:57,580 - What station is that? - 86th Street, 182 00:08:57,580 --> 00:09:00,191 one stop before the one where Joyner's body was found. 183 00:09:00,191 --> 00:09:01,671 Okay, but we can't see his face, though. 184 00:09:01,671 --> 00:09:03,455 Can you find another angle? - This is all we've got. 185 00:09:03,455 --> 00:09:06,502 Can you zoom in on that? 186 00:09:06,502 --> 00:09:09,636 Wait a second. I've seen that logo before. 187 00:09:16,599 --> 00:09:19,123 This place opened up about a year ago. 188 00:09:19,123 --> 00:09:21,517 Been peppering my neighborhood with flyers. 189 00:09:21,517 --> 00:09:23,519 Mixed martial arts is the future, huh? 190 00:09:23,519 --> 00:09:25,260 Yeah, maybe this is where our killer 191 00:09:25,260 --> 00:09:27,654 learned to strangle people. - 'Sup? How you doing? 192 00:09:27,654 --> 00:09:29,307 Uh, yeah, we'd like to talk to the owner. 193 00:09:29,307 --> 00:09:30,657 Is he here? - Dom? 194 00:09:30,657 --> 00:09:32,354 Um, you just missed him. 195 00:09:32,354 --> 00:09:34,661 He left, like, two minutes ago. - Is that him? 196 00:09:37,620 --> 00:09:39,187 Yep. 197 00:09:39,187 --> 00:09:40,580 I see it. 198 00:09:40,580 --> 00:09:42,494 You know when he's gonna be back? 199 00:09:42,494 --> 00:09:44,192 He was getting a cab to the airport. 200 00:09:44,192 --> 00:09:45,846 Did he say where he was going? 201 00:09:45,846 --> 00:09:48,675 I want to say Toronto. 202 00:09:48,675 --> 00:09:50,328 Which way did he go? 203 00:09:57,379 --> 00:09:59,033 Vince. 204 00:10:14,135 --> 00:10:15,484 Hey! 205 00:10:15,484 --> 00:10:19,836 Hey, NYPD. Mr. Kovac, NYPD. 206 00:10:19,836 --> 00:10:21,795 - Hey. - Hey! 207 00:10:25,276 --> 00:10:26,756 - Do not move! - NYPD! 208 00:10:26,756 --> 00:10:29,237 - Do you hear me? Do not move! - NYPD! 209 00:10:29,237 --> 00:10:31,152 I didn't know you guys were cops. 210 00:10:31,152 --> 00:10:32,849 Yeah, you just treat everybody that way? 211 00:10:32,849 --> 00:10:35,591 - Treat Ellis Joyner that way? - I don't know who that is. 212 00:10:35,591 --> 00:10:37,375 He was choked to death two nights ago in the subway. 213 00:10:37,375 --> 00:10:39,116 That ringing a bell? 214 00:10:39,116 --> 00:10:40,988 Okay, tough guy, you're coming with us. 215 00:10:40,988 --> 00:10:43,120 Get up. 216 00:10:44,774 --> 00:10:47,429 I've never seen this guy before in my life. 217 00:10:47,429 --> 00:10:48,909 You know, Domhnall, we are aware 218 00:10:48,909 --> 00:10:52,086 of your four previous convictions for assault, 219 00:10:52,086 --> 00:10:55,437 all against Black victims, two charged as hate crimes. 220 00:10:55,437 --> 00:10:58,092 Clocked that tattoo on you-- 221 00:10:58,092 --> 00:10:59,789 the combat boots with the "88." 222 00:10:59,789 --> 00:11:01,791 That's a white nationalist symbol. 223 00:11:01,791 --> 00:11:02,879 So what happened? 224 00:11:02,879 --> 00:11:04,707 You see a Black guy on the train, 225 00:11:04,707 --> 00:11:06,361 decided to take him out? 226 00:11:07,754 --> 00:11:09,625 I didn't do anything to anyone. 227 00:11:09,625 --> 00:11:11,583 Hey. 228 00:11:11,583 --> 00:11:13,585 I'm the one talking to you. 229 00:11:13,585 --> 00:11:14,804 Fine. 230 00:11:14,804 --> 00:11:16,284 I'll tell you, then. 231 00:11:16,284 --> 00:11:18,025 I had nothing to do with what happened to that guy. 232 00:11:18,025 --> 00:11:20,984 Where were you around midnight night before last? 233 00:11:20,984 --> 00:11:24,205 - Chelsea, working out. - You work out at that hour? 234 00:11:24,205 --> 00:11:26,207 I run an intensive training program 235 00:11:26,207 --> 00:11:27,948 for some guys at the gym. 236 00:11:27,948 --> 00:11:29,776 I call it the Combat Academy. 237 00:11:29,776 --> 00:11:31,952 I base it on the Navy SEALs training course. 238 00:11:31,952 --> 00:11:34,476 So, once a week, we do a late-night endurance run. 239 00:11:34,476 --> 00:11:36,130 And when did this endurance run end? 240 00:11:36,130 --> 00:11:37,653 Around midnight. 241 00:11:37,653 --> 00:11:39,960 Okay, so you go on your little fun run. 242 00:11:39,960 --> 00:11:42,527 Then you get on the subway, and you kill Ellis Joyner. 243 00:11:42,527 --> 00:11:44,312 I was never on the subway. 244 00:11:44,312 --> 00:11:46,227 We have you on video. 245 00:11:46,227 --> 00:11:49,709 You can make out this sweatshirt 246 00:11:49,709 --> 00:11:51,972 and those sneakers clear as day. 247 00:11:51,972 --> 00:11:54,278 These are part of the Combat Academy uniform. 248 00:11:54,278 --> 00:11:55,715 Every member has them. 249 00:11:57,804 --> 00:11:59,762 Look, fellas, I'm trying to tell you-- 250 00:11:59,762 --> 00:12:02,460 after the run was over, I went to my girlfriend's apartment. 251 00:12:02,460 --> 00:12:04,506 She lives a few blocks away. 252 00:12:04,506 --> 00:12:07,378 You can check with her doorman. 253 00:12:07,378 --> 00:12:09,772 All right, and would you be willing to submit 254 00:12:09,772 --> 00:12:12,079 to a DNA swab? 255 00:12:12,079 --> 00:12:13,210 Fine. 256 00:12:13,210 --> 00:12:14,516 We're also gonna need the names 257 00:12:14,516 --> 00:12:17,519 of every member of your Combat Academy 258 00:12:17,519 --> 00:12:18,912 that was there that night. 259 00:12:26,397 --> 00:12:29,226 All right. See you guys. 260 00:12:29,226 --> 00:12:32,142 - Brandon Arnou? - Yes? 261 00:12:32,142 --> 00:12:34,841 NYPD, we need to talk to you for a minute. 262 00:12:34,841 --> 00:12:37,104 Uh, yeah, of course. Is something wrong? 263 00:12:37,104 --> 00:12:39,802 - We're investigating a murder. - A murder? 264 00:12:39,802 --> 00:12:41,238 Are you a member 265 00:12:41,238 --> 00:12:42,631 of Domhnall Kovac's Combat Academy? 266 00:12:42,631 --> 00:12:45,068 Uh, yes. Why? 267 00:12:45,068 --> 00:12:46,766 Did you attend his midnight training session 268 00:12:46,766 --> 00:12:47,810 three nights ago? 269 00:12:47,810 --> 00:12:50,465 Um, I-I did. 270 00:12:50,465 --> 00:12:52,032 I did, yeah. 271 00:12:52,032 --> 00:12:53,947 Yeah, I'm trying to get back into shape. 272 00:12:53,947 --> 00:12:55,731 My wife left me last year, and I-- 273 00:12:55,731 --> 00:12:58,386 You--you don't need to know all that. 274 00:12:58,386 --> 00:13:00,954 You ride the subway home after that? 275 00:13:00,954 --> 00:13:02,825 Uh, no. 276 00:13:02,825 --> 00:13:04,435 - Really? - Mm-mm. 277 00:13:04,435 --> 00:13:05,959 'Cause we noticed that your apartment's a straight shot 278 00:13:05,959 --> 00:13:07,787 on the C train from Chelsea. 279 00:13:07,787 --> 00:13:09,963 Yeah, well, I-I-I ran home, 280 00:13:09,963 --> 00:13:12,661 trying to push myself, you know? 281 00:13:12,661 --> 00:13:14,141 How did you get that lip? 282 00:13:14,141 --> 00:13:16,186 Oh, uh, grappling training. 283 00:13:16,186 --> 00:13:17,622 Took an elbow to the face. 284 00:13:17,622 --> 00:13:20,408 Would you be willing to submit to a DNA swab, 285 00:13:20,408 --> 00:13:23,498 just to eliminate you as a suspect? 286 00:13:23,498 --> 00:13:25,630 Uh... 287 00:13:27,328 --> 00:13:31,201 Look, it was an accident. - What was an accident? 288 00:13:31,201 --> 00:13:33,290 That man was attacking a woman on the subway. 289 00:13:33,290 --> 00:13:35,205 I-I was just trying to protect her. 290 00:13:35,205 --> 00:13:38,339 I know I should have told someone, but I panicked. 291 00:13:38,339 --> 00:13:41,429 Are you admitting to killing Ellis Joyner? 292 00:13:43,866 --> 00:13:45,955 Look, I didn't mean to. 293 00:13:45,955 --> 00:13:47,652 - Okay. - I-I was just trying to help. 294 00:13:47,652 --> 00:13:49,698 Hands behind your back. 295 00:13:49,698 --> 00:13:51,656 We're gonna walk out of here nice and slow. 296 00:13:51,656 --> 00:13:53,093 Here we go. 297 00:13:54,921 --> 00:13:56,923 Detectives, what is the holdup here? 298 00:13:56,923 --> 00:14:00,056 My client has explained to you what happened several times. 299 00:14:00,056 --> 00:14:02,754 Yeah, we really appreciate your cooperation, too. 300 00:14:02,754 --> 00:14:04,669 He has nothing to hide. 301 00:14:04,669 --> 00:14:07,890 Arnou, so that woman that you say Ellis Joyner attacked, 302 00:14:07,890 --> 00:14:09,892 the one you claim to have rescued, 303 00:14:09,892 --> 00:14:11,763 she was dressed like a dancer, yeah? 304 00:14:11,763 --> 00:14:13,200 Yeah, she was wearing tights, 305 00:14:13,200 --> 00:14:17,073 and her hair was in a, uh, ball, you know? 306 00:14:17,073 --> 00:14:18,901 Thing is, we checked the surveillance footage 307 00:14:18,901 --> 00:14:20,337 from the train platforms, 308 00:14:20,337 --> 00:14:22,252 and we didn't find anybody meeting that description. 309 00:14:22,252 --> 00:14:23,993 I'm telling you, she was there. 310 00:14:23,993 --> 00:14:26,691 Were the cameras working at every station? 311 00:14:26,691 --> 00:14:29,607 We also executed a search warrant in your home. 312 00:14:29,607 --> 00:14:31,000 Didn't find anything. 313 00:14:31,000 --> 00:14:33,873 Yeah, well, of course not. What would you find? 314 00:14:33,873 --> 00:14:35,962 Mm. Yeah, but, see, then we got a search warrant 315 00:14:35,962 --> 00:14:37,441 for your gym locker. 316 00:14:37,441 --> 00:14:39,704 That's where we found something really interesting. 317 00:14:39,704 --> 00:14:43,360 Ellis Joyner's cell phone, but you knew that... 318 00:14:43,360 --> 00:14:45,928 because you stole it from him right after you killed him, 319 00:14:45,928 --> 00:14:47,060 and we know why. 320 00:14:47,060 --> 00:14:48,409 Because right after you attacked him, 321 00:14:48,409 --> 00:14:50,193 he started recording you, didn't he? 322 00:14:50,193 --> 00:14:52,152 And, see, what you don't know about Black people is, 323 00:14:52,152 --> 00:14:54,458 we can never be too careful 'cause we don't know 324 00:14:54,458 --> 00:14:56,939 who's gonna try to paint us out to be the bad guy. 325 00:14:56,939 --> 00:14:58,898 So we watched that video, 326 00:14:58,898 --> 00:15:00,856 and we listened to it, and we did not see any woman. 327 00:15:00,856 --> 00:15:02,553 But what we did see is that-- 328 00:15:02,553 --> 00:15:05,948 Don't say another word. 329 00:15:05,948 --> 00:15:07,471 This interview's over. 330 00:15:11,606 --> 00:15:13,869 What do you think? 331 00:15:13,869 --> 00:15:15,871 It's a tough call. 332 00:15:15,871 --> 00:15:17,264 He admits to killing Joyner, 333 00:15:17,264 --> 00:15:20,267 but I'm not sure we have enough to charge. 334 00:15:20,267 --> 00:15:22,791 So we have two choices. 335 00:15:22,791 --> 00:15:26,142 We can either cut him loose, or we can arrest him. 336 00:15:32,192 --> 00:15:33,628 Arrest him. 337 00:15:39,460 --> 00:15:41,288 Brandon Arnou's really captured 338 00:15:41,288 --> 00:15:43,420 the public's attention. - Sure has. 339 00:15:43,420 --> 00:15:45,335 Half the city buys Arnou's story-- 340 00:15:45,335 --> 00:15:47,163 that he killed Joyner in self-defense-- 341 00:15:47,163 --> 00:15:49,949 and the other half sees white man 342 00:15:49,949 --> 00:15:51,646 killing an unarmed Black man. 343 00:15:51,646 --> 00:15:54,997 It's a litmus test for what people think 344 00:15:54,997 --> 00:15:56,346 or what they want to believe. 345 00:15:56,346 --> 00:15:58,479 Well, here's what I believe. 346 00:15:58,479 --> 00:16:01,090 Arnou held Joyner in a choke hold 347 00:16:01,090 --> 00:16:03,484 for a long time after he was unconscious. 348 00:16:03,484 --> 00:16:05,660 Even if he was acting in self-defense 349 00:16:05,660 --> 00:16:07,009 at the start of all this, 350 00:16:07,009 --> 00:16:08,750 it eventually turned into a homicide. 351 00:16:08,750 --> 00:16:10,143 And we have video that supports that? 352 00:16:10,143 --> 00:16:11,448 Uh, sort of. 353 00:16:11,448 --> 00:16:13,102 Seconds after Joyner pulled out his phone 354 00:16:13,102 --> 00:16:14,147 to record the incident, 355 00:16:14,147 --> 00:16:16,236 Arnou knocked it out of his hands. 356 00:16:16,236 --> 00:16:19,021 Then the phone landed on the ground lens down. 357 00:16:19,021 --> 00:16:20,196 Visually, it's just black. 358 00:16:20,196 --> 00:16:22,242 But it kept recording, so there's audio. 359 00:16:22,242 --> 00:16:25,027 You can hear Arnou get Joyner into the choke hold. 360 00:16:25,027 --> 00:16:27,334 Joyner repeatedly says he can't breathe. 361 00:16:27,334 --> 00:16:29,553 And after that, the tape goes silent. 362 00:16:29,553 --> 00:16:31,686 - Because Joyner passed out. - That's what it seems like. 363 00:16:31,686 --> 00:16:32,817 After he goes quiet, 364 00:16:32,817 --> 00:16:35,037 there's three minutes of total silence 365 00:16:35,037 --> 00:16:36,212 before Arnou gets off him. 366 00:16:36,212 --> 00:16:37,779 You're saying that he kept Joyner 367 00:16:37,779 --> 00:16:39,476 in a choke hold for three full minutes 368 00:16:39,476 --> 00:16:41,043 after he seemed to have passed out? 369 00:16:41,043 --> 00:16:42,653 Mm-hmm, and Arnou picks up the phone, 370 00:16:42,653 --> 00:16:44,612 realizes it's been recording, and then stops it. 371 00:16:44,612 --> 00:16:47,615 But the phone must've locked. - Which is why Arnou took it. 372 00:16:47,615 --> 00:16:49,312 He realized it would upload to the cloud, 373 00:16:49,312 --> 00:16:50,444 so he wanted to delete it. 374 00:16:50,444 --> 00:16:52,489 Search history on Arnou's laptop 375 00:16:52,489 --> 00:16:54,578 shows that he was trying to figure out 376 00:16:54,578 --> 00:16:56,276 how to access a phone without a passcode. 377 00:16:56,276 --> 00:16:58,278 Obviously knew the video was damning. 378 00:16:58,278 --> 00:17:00,367 So what's the next move? What are you thinking? 379 00:17:00,367 --> 00:17:03,500 We have a solid case for manslaughter. 380 00:17:03,500 --> 00:17:05,241 Whether you believe Arnou's account or not, 381 00:17:05,241 --> 00:17:07,896 there--there's no question he used excessive force. 382 00:17:07,896 --> 00:17:09,115 Manslaughter? 383 00:17:09,115 --> 00:17:10,855 You just told me he choked him out 384 00:17:10,855 --> 00:17:12,901 for three minutes after he was already unconscious. 385 00:17:12,901 --> 00:17:16,513 Correct, but Arnou claims he was trying to help someone. 386 00:17:16,513 --> 00:17:18,211 He was trying to protect a young woman. 387 00:17:18,211 --> 00:17:21,170 That woman we haven't been able to identify. 388 00:17:21,170 --> 00:17:23,216 This isn't manslaughter, Nolan. 389 00:17:23,216 --> 00:17:25,435 This is depraved indifference to human life. 390 00:17:25,435 --> 00:17:26,915 You want to charge him with murder? 391 00:17:26,915 --> 00:17:29,787 Absolutely. We need to make a statement. 392 00:17:29,787 --> 00:17:31,615 The facts are tricky. 393 00:17:31,615 --> 00:17:33,748 Arnou claims he was trying to save a woman's life, 394 00:17:33,748 --> 00:17:36,142 not to mention he has no history of violence. 395 00:17:36,142 --> 00:17:37,404 I understand. 396 00:17:37,404 --> 00:17:41,016 But this is George Floyd all over again. 397 00:17:41,016 --> 00:17:42,931 And I'm sure as hell not gonna end up 398 00:17:42,931 --> 00:17:44,237 on the wrong side of it. 399 00:17:44,237 --> 00:17:46,065 Charge him with murder two. 400 00:17:57,902 --> 00:18:01,254 I can't breathe. 401 00:18:01,254 --> 00:18:03,691 I can't breathe. 402 00:18:19,576 --> 00:18:21,056 Oh, my God. 403 00:18:24,929 --> 00:18:28,324 Dr. Infante, could you explain what we just heard? 404 00:18:28,324 --> 00:18:30,413 Once the air supply has been cut off, 405 00:18:30,413 --> 00:18:33,547 it takes about five minutes for brain death to occur-- 406 00:18:33,547 --> 00:18:35,462 half that time for an asthmatic. 407 00:18:35,462 --> 00:18:38,595 The body goes through severe seizure-like activity 408 00:18:38,595 --> 00:18:40,293 with convulsions. 409 00:18:40,293 --> 00:18:43,252 And once enough pressure was applied to the carotid artery, 410 00:18:43,252 --> 00:18:45,385 the victim would have lost consciousness. 411 00:18:45,385 --> 00:18:47,648 Which accounts for the last three minutes 412 00:18:47,648 --> 00:18:49,084 when there were no sounds of a struggle? 413 00:18:49,084 --> 00:18:50,259 Yes. 414 00:18:50,259 --> 00:18:52,479 Meaning after those first few minutes, 415 00:18:52,479 --> 00:18:54,002 Ellis Joyner no longer posed 416 00:18:54,002 --> 00:18:55,743 a lethal threat to the defendant? 417 00:18:55,743 --> 00:18:57,788 In my professional opinion, no. 418 00:18:57,788 --> 00:19:01,444 And--and yet, for three full minutes, 419 00:19:01,444 --> 00:19:05,361 the defendant just continued to choke him. 420 00:19:05,361 --> 00:19:09,278 Thank you, Doctor. No further questions. 421 00:19:12,151 --> 00:19:14,327 Dr. Infante, isn't it true 422 00:19:14,327 --> 00:19:16,633 that the surge of adrenaline caused 423 00:19:16,633 --> 00:19:19,158 by a life-or-death confrontation 424 00:19:19,158 --> 00:19:22,204 can distort not only one's sense of time 425 00:19:22,204 --> 00:19:25,555 but also an awareness of one's surroundings? 426 00:19:25,555 --> 00:19:27,949 It's possible. 427 00:19:27,949 --> 00:19:30,343 Would you characterize such a response as reasonable? 428 00:19:30,343 --> 00:19:33,563 I would say it's not uncommon. 429 00:19:33,563 --> 00:19:37,393 So you're saying it is both possible and reasonable 430 00:19:37,393 --> 00:19:41,223 that in the confusion and panic of the moment, 431 00:19:41,223 --> 00:19:43,965 Brandon Arnou did not realize 432 00:19:43,965 --> 00:19:47,055 that the man he believed was trying to kill him 433 00:19:47,055 --> 00:19:49,492 had lost consciousness? 434 00:19:49,492 --> 00:19:50,798 Yes. 435 00:19:50,798 --> 00:19:53,931 Thank you. Nothing further. 436 00:19:57,283 --> 00:19:59,415 How long had you and Ellis Joyner 437 00:19:59,415 --> 00:20:01,461 been seeing each other? 438 00:20:01,461 --> 00:20:03,245 About six months. 439 00:20:03,245 --> 00:20:06,770 It wasn't a storybook romance, but... 440 00:20:06,770 --> 00:20:08,772 it was the best six months of my life. 441 00:20:08,772 --> 00:20:11,253 You were on the train that night with Ellis, correct? 442 00:20:11,253 --> 00:20:14,778 Yes, I got off at 50th Street to go home. 443 00:20:14,778 --> 00:20:16,737 Did you interact with the defendant at all 444 00:20:16,737 --> 00:20:18,173 while you were on the train? 445 00:20:18,173 --> 00:20:21,742 Yes, I caught him staring at us a couple of times. 446 00:20:21,742 --> 00:20:23,657 It was weird. 447 00:20:23,657 --> 00:20:26,573 And when I got up to get off, he... 448 00:20:26,573 --> 00:20:27,791 stepped in my way. 449 00:20:27,791 --> 00:20:29,402 Intentionally? 450 00:20:29,402 --> 00:20:31,752 Yeah, aggressively. 451 00:20:31,752 --> 00:20:34,581 When I accidentally bumped into him, 452 00:20:34,581 --> 00:20:38,106 he said, "Watch yourself," with this tone. 453 00:20:38,106 --> 00:20:40,848 - What kind of tone? - A racist tone. 454 00:20:40,848 --> 00:20:43,851 Like, he might as well have said, "Watch yourself, boy." 455 00:20:43,851 --> 00:20:46,332 Objection, Your Honor, calls for speculation. 456 00:20:46,332 --> 00:20:49,291 The witness can't testify to things my client didn't say. 457 00:20:49,291 --> 00:20:50,466 Sustained. 458 00:20:50,466 --> 00:20:52,599 The jury will disregard. 459 00:20:52,599 --> 00:20:54,340 No further questions. 460 00:20:57,647 --> 00:21:01,129 You claim that Mr. Arnou was aggressive 461 00:21:01,129 --> 00:21:03,218 towards you, confrontational. 462 00:21:03,218 --> 00:21:04,785 He was. 463 00:21:04,785 --> 00:21:09,355 But Mr. Arnou has no history of violent behavior, none. 464 00:21:09,355 --> 00:21:10,704 So? 465 00:21:10,704 --> 00:21:13,446 But you do, right? 466 00:21:13,446 --> 00:21:15,796 You were charged with aggravated assault. 467 00:21:15,796 --> 00:21:17,580 Yeah, but that has nothing to do 468 00:21:17,580 --> 00:21:19,321 with what happened that night. 469 00:21:19,321 --> 00:21:22,193 He was the aggressor. - I see. 470 00:21:22,193 --> 00:21:26,459 And to be clear, you were not a witness to the altercation 471 00:21:26,459 --> 00:21:29,810 between Ellis Joyner and Mr. Arnou? 472 00:21:29,810 --> 00:21:31,855 - Correct. - So you have no idea 473 00:21:31,855 --> 00:21:33,988 if Joyner attacked that woman or not, 474 00:21:33,988 --> 00:21:36,817 and you have no idea if Mr. Arnou was, 475 00:21:36,817 --> 00:21:39,341 in fact, trying to help her. 476 00:21:39,341 --> 00:21:43,650 I wasn't there, but I know he didn't attack that woman. 477 00:21:43,650 --> 00:21:47,349 But you weren't there. 478 00:21:48,698 --> 00:21:50,613 No further questions. 479 00:21:50,613 --> 00:21:53,181 The witness may step down. 480 00:21:53,181 --> 00:21:55,183 Call your next witness, Mr. Price. 481 00:21:55,183 --> 00:21:56,967 The prosecution rests. 482 00:21:56,967 --> 00:21:59,361 Mr. Kagan, you're up. 483 00:21:59,361 --> 00:22:03,278 The defense calls Rebecca Lasky. 484 00:22:03,278 --> 00:22:05,193 Objection, Your Honor, unfair surprise. 485 00:22:05,193 --> 00:22:06,673 This is the first we are hearing 486 00:22:06,673 --> 00:22:08,196 of any witness by that name. 487 00:22:08,196 --> 00:22:10,938 That's because this witness only just came forward. 488 00:22:15,595 --> 00:22:20,991 Ms. Lasky, were you on the C subway train 489 00:22:20,991 --> 00:22:24,517 the night Ellis Joyner was killed? 490 00:22:24,517 --> 00:22:26,867 Yes, I was there. 491 00:22:26,867 --> 00:22:29,826 Did you witness the altercation? 492 00:22:29,826 --> 00:22:32,220 Yes, I did. 493 00:22:32,220 --> 00:22:34,440 Can you tell us what happened? 494 00:22:36,355 --> 00:22:39,009 I entered the subway car 495 00:22:39,009 --> 00:22:42,535 and accidentally bumped into Mr. Joyner, 496 00:22:42,535 --> 00:22:44,101 and... 497 00:22:44,101 --> 00:22:47,496 he appeared to be mentally disturbed in some way. 498 00:22:47,496 --> 00:22:52,066 He kept making these aggressive grunting noises. 499 00:22:52,066 --> 00:22:54,242 And then he lunged at me. 500 00:22:54,242 --> 00:22:56,375 And then what happened? 501 00:22:56,375 --> 00:23:00,553 He reached into his pocket. 502 00:23:00,553 --> 00:23:05,166 I was scared he had a knife or something, so I screamed. 503 00:23:05,166 --> 00:23:08,735 I screamed for help... 504 00:23:08,735 --> 00:23:11,041 and that man saved me. 505 00:23:11,041 --> 00:23:13,914 My client, Mr. Arnou? 506 00:23:13,914 --> 00:23:16,786 Yes, he grabbed Mr. Joyner, 507 00:23:16,786 --> 00:23:20,703 and he pulled him away from me. 508 00:23:20,703 --> 00:23:25,012 And then Joyner attacked him, and they started fighting. 509 00:23:25,012 --> 00:23:27,231 I was terrified. 510 00:23:27,231 --> 00:23:29,712 If he hadn't been there... 511 00:23:31,627 --> 00:23:33,542 That man is a hero. 512 00:23:47,338 --> 00:23:49,253 Yep. 513 00:23:49,253 --> 00:23:52,126 Turns out there really was a female witness. 514 00:23:52,126 --> 00:23:54,781 - So I've heard. - She was credible, too. 515 00:23:54,781 --> 00:23:57,218 Her testimony was compelling. 516 00:23:57,218 --> 00:23:58,959 Meaning what? 517 00:23:58,959 --> 00:24:00,743 We should offer a manslaughter plea. 518 00:24:00,743 --> 00:24:02,702 I'd be surprised if they accepted it, 519 00:24:02,702 --> 00:24:04,094 but it's worth a shot. 520 00:24:04,094 --> 00:24:06,923 But the audio-video clip hasn't changed, correct? 521 00:24:06,923 --> 00:24:08,795 - Excuse me? - The clip where we hear 522 00:24:08,795 --> 00:24:11,188 Mr. Joyner begging for his life, 523 00:24:11,188 --> 00:24:14,496 where we hear Mr. Arnou choking out 524 00:24:14,496 --> 00:24:17,151 an unconscious man for a full three minutes. 525 00:24:17,151 --> 00:24:19,632 That is correct. That clip still exists. 526 00:24:19,632 --> 00:24:21,808 But there is now more context for it-- 527 00:24:21,808 --> 00:24:23,723 context that is not in our favor. 528 00:24:23,723 --> 00:24:25,986 But just because a white woman saw Joyner 529 00:24:25,986 --> 00:24:28,336 as a threat doesn't make it true. 530 00:24:28,336 --> 00:24:31,208 Like I said, her testimony was credible. 531 00:24:31,208 --> 00:24:33,994 The jury seemed to respond quite favorably. 532 00:24:33,994 --> 00:24:35,648 But the witness wasn't actually there 533 00:24:35,648 --> 00:24:36,866 when the murder took place. 534 00:24:36,866 --> 00:24:39,042 She left before the fight ended, right? 535 00:24:39,042 --> 00:24:41,001 That's why she didn't show up in the video. 536 00:24:41,001 --> 00:24:44,308 - Mm-hmm. - So make that clear, Nolan. 537 00:24:46,354 --> 00:24:49,052 Remind them that Ms. Lasky wasn't present 538 00:24:49,052 --> 00:24:52,142 when the defendant choked the life out of Mr. Joyner. 539 00:24:57,713 --> 00:25:02,065 Ms. Lasky, you weren't actually present 540 00:25:02,065 --> 00:25:06,113 when the defendant strangled Ellis Joyner to death, correct? 541 00:25:06,113 --> 00:25:09,290 No, the train stopped while they were still fighting, 542 00:25:09,290 --> 00:25:11,901 and I got off. 543 00:25:11,901 --> 00:25:14,164 But I saw the start of the fight. 544 00:25:14,164 --> 00:25:17,428 I saw Mr. Arnou grab Joyner by the arm 545 00:25:17,428 --> 00:25:19,779 and pull him away from me. 546 00:25:19,779 --> 00:25:23,696 And then I saw Joyner elbow him in the face. 547 00:25:23,696 --> 00:25:27,482 Right, because Mr. Joyner was terrified. 548 00:25:27,482 --> 00:25:30,529 From his perspective, he was the one fighting for his life. 549 00:25:30,529 --> 00:25:33,009 I don't know. 550 00:25:33,009 --> 00:25:36,186 It all happened really fast. 551 00:25:36,186 --> 00:25:39,276 And they were yelling at each other. 552 00:25:39,276 --> 00:25:43,585 And Mr. Arnou kept yelling at him to stop, to surrender, 553 00:25:43,585 --> 00:25:45,326 and that he was bleeding, 554 00:25:45,326 --> 00:25:48,155 and he was dirty-- 555 00:25:48,155 --> 00:25:51,593 or fighting dirty. 556 00:25:51,593 --> 00:25:55,554 I don't really remember the exact words. 557 00:25:55,554 --> 00:25:57,381 But Joyner didn't listen. 558 00:25:57,381 --> 00:26:00,297 He reached into his pocket. 559 00:26:00,297 --> 00:26:03,474 It looked like he was trying to grab a knife. 560 00:26:03,474 --> 00:26:05,476 So Mr. Arnou tackled him, 561 00:26:05,476 --> 00:26:08,436 and they started wrestling. 562 00:26:08,436 --> 00:26:11,221 That's when the train stopped, and I got off. 563 00:26:11,221 --> 00:26:12,962 Just got off? 564 00:26:12,962 --> 00:26:15,399 You didn't tell anyone what was happening? 565 00:26:15,399 --> 00:26:17,097 I wasn't thinking straight. 566 00:26:17,097 --> 00:26:19,795 Everything was happening at once. 567 00:26:19,795 --> 00:26:22,842 When the doors opened, I ran out to look 568 00:26:22,842 --> 00:26:25,671 for someone to tell, like a cop or something. 569 00:26:25,671 --> 00:26:28,456 But the subway station was empty. 570 00:26:28,456 --> 00:26:30,719 Then the doors closed, and the train took off. 571 00:26:30,719 --> 00:26:35,158 So that means you weren't there during the three minutes 572 00:26:35,158 --> 00:26:37,073 that Ellis Joyner was unconscious 573 00:26:37,073 --> 00:26:38,640 and the defendant continued 574 00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:41,121 to choke the life out of his body? 575 00:26:41,121 --> 00:26:45,081 No, but, like I said, I thought he had a knife. 576 00:26:45,081 --> 00:26:47,127 I'm sure Mr. Arnou did, too. 577 00:26:47,127 --> 00:26:50,652 Did you actually see a knife? 578 00:26:50,652 --> 00:26:51,784 No, but-- 579 00:26:51,784 --> 00:26:55,178 Did you see a weapon of any kind? 580 00:26:57,006 --> 00:26:59,661 - No. - And you had no idea 581 00:26:59,661 --> 00:27:03,752 that Ellis Joyner was severely asthmatic? 582 00:27:03,752 --> 00:27:05,275 I didn't at the time. 583 00:27:05,275 --> 00:27:07,974 Mr. Joyner had been in an altercation 584 00:27:07,974 --> 00:27:09,584 with a fellow comic that night, 585 00:27:09,584 --> 00:27:13,327 then a fraught, verbal argument with his boyfriend. 586 00:27:13,327 --> 00:27:17,418 High-stress situations can trigger an asthma attack. 587 00:27:17,418 --> 00:27:21,161 Ellis Joyner was having an asthma attack. 588 00:27:21,161 --> 00:27:25,165 He wasn't acting aggressively, nor was he mentally ill. 589 00:27:25,165 --> 00:27:28,168 He was simply having an asthma attack, 590 00:27:28,168 --> 00:27:31,171 and you misinterpreted his behavior. 591 00:27:31,171 --> 00:27:34,957 You saw a scary Black man making a noise-- 592 00:27:34,957 --> 00:27:36,698 - Objection. - Sustained. 593 00:27:45,185 --> 00:27:47,535 Mr. Joyner's behavior that night was consistent 594 00:27:47,535 --> 00:27:51,060 with someone suffering from an asthma attack, correct? 595 00:27:52,714 --> 00:27:56,805 Yes, I suppose. 596 00:27:56,805 --> 00:28:01,636 And if that's what it was... 597 00:28:01,636 --> 00:28:04,291 I feel terrible. 598 00:28:04,291 --> 00:28:05,988 Then... 599 00:28:05,988 --> 00:28:10,558 this whole thing i-is... 600 00:28:10,558 --> 00:28:14,301 it's all my fault. 601 00:28:14,301 --> 00:28:15,998 But either way, 602 00:28:15,998 --> 00:28:18,784 Mr. Arnou came to my defense. 603 00:28:20,829 --> 00:28:24,659 He tried to help me, 604 00:28:24,659 --> 00:28:26,879 and he shouldn't be held responsible. 605 00:28:33,842 --> 00:28:37,193 She made a strong case that Arnou is not the one to blame. 606 00:28:37,193 --> 00:28:38,586 Yeah. 607 00:28:38,586 --> 00:28:40,762 What do you think about what Lasky said in there, 608 00:28:40,762 --> 00:28:42,851 that, uh, bit about Arnou saying something 609 00:28:42,851 --> 00:28:44,287 about blood and dirt? 610 00:28:44,287 --> 00:28:46,550 Oh, I-I don't know what to make of it. Why? 611 00:28:46,550 --> 00:28:48,596 Do you think it's possible he was saying something 612 00:28:48,596 --> 00:28:51,425 about "blood and soil"? 613 00:28:51,425 --> 00:28:54,167 - That's a Nazi slogan. - Exactly. 614 00:28:54,167 --> 00:28:56,822 It's the new battle cry of white nationalist groups. 615 00:28:56,822 --> 00:28:59,172 You think Arnou is a white supremacist? 616 00:28:59,172 --> 00:29:00,477 Yeah, I-I don't know. 617 00:29:00,477 --> 00:29:02,349 I'm--I'm just trying to understand 618 00:29:02,349 --> 00:29:04,264 why he was saying "blood and dirt." 619 00:29:04,264 --> 00:29:07,006 We interviewed his neighbors, his coworkers. 620 00:29:07,006 --> 00:29:08,790 None of them reported anything that would suggest-- 621 00:29:08,790 --> 00:29:13,360 What about where he trains, the, uh, Kovac Academy? 622 00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:14,404 What about it? 623 00:29:14,404 --> 00:29:16,189 Detectives interviewed the owner. 624 00:29:16,189 --> 00:29:18,887 He has ties to a few white nationalist organizations. 625 00:29:20,933 --> 00:29:22,195 Check it out. 626 00:29:25,067 --> 00:29:28,462 I already told you. I don't know Arnou too well. 627 00:29:28,462 --> 00:29:31,595 I just have a few questions. It won't take long, promise. 628 00:29:31,595 --> 00:29:34,816 Fine, what do you want to know? 629 00:29:34,816 --> 00:29:36,818 Have you ever heard him say something 630 00:29:36,818 --> 00:29:40,300 that might be interpreted as racist? 631 00:29:40,300 --> 00:29:42,519 I'm sorry, but I can't help you. 632 00:29:42,519 --> 00:29:45,871 You can't, or you don't want to? 633 00:29:47,873 --> 00:29:51,180 I'm closing up, so... 634 00:29:51,180 --> 00:29:54,836 You're aware that Arnou is on trial for murder? 635 00:29:54,836 --> 00:29:56,664 I am. 636 00:30:06,805 --> 00:30:08,676 Hold up. 637 00:30:14,856 --> 00:30:18,381 Look, I can't get into the details, but... 638 00:30:18,381 --> 00:30:22,821 let's just say you're heading down the right path. 639 00:30:22,821 --> 00:30:26,476 "Right path"? What the hell is that supposed to mean? 640 00:30:26,476 --> 00:30:28,783 Like I said, I can't help you. 641 00:30:28,783 --> 00:30:30,350 Why not? 642 00:30:30,350 --> 00:30:32,831 Because it would blow my cover. 643 00:30:35,442 --> 00:30:36,835 You're a cop? 644 00:30:45,626 --> 00:30:47,454 Nick, good to see you. 645 00:30:47,454 --> 00:30:48,890 How you doing, Robin? 646 00:30:48,890 --> 00:30:50,674 - Thanks for coming down. - Of course. 647 00:30:50,674 --> 00:30:52,894 Um, this is Carol Oberlin. 648 00:30:52,894 --> 00:30:56,550 She's our Deputy Commissioner of Counterterrorism. 649 00:30:56,550 --> 00:30:58,117 - Glad to meet you. - Likewise. 650 00:30:58,117 --> 00:31:01,163 I understand you stumbled on to our undercover operation. 651 00:31:01,163 --> 00:31:02,948 We did. 652 00:31:02,948 --> 00:31:05,515 And, fortunately, a detective of yours has information 653 00:31:05,515 --> 00:31:08,170 pertinent to a murder we're prosecuting. 654 00:31:08,170 --> 00:31:09,693 Uh, that's great. 655 00:31:09,693 --> 00:31:12,087 But, uh, let us get you up to speed 656 00:31:12,087 --> 00:31:14,220 on what it is we're actually investigating, 657 00:31:14,220 --> 00:31:15,569 give you a sense 658 00:31:15,569 --> 00:31:17,484 of the scope of what we're dealing with here. 659 00:31:17,484 --> 00:31:19,051 Please. - Okay. 660 00:31:20,835 --> 00:31:24,491 We've actually had our eye on Kovac for a while now. 661 00:31:24,491 --> 00:31:26,885 His gym is an "active club," 662 00:31:26,885 --> 00:31:28,669 part of an international network 663 00:31:28,669 --> 00:31:30,845 of white supremacist sleeper cells, 664 00:31:30,845 --> 00:31:33,804 all fronting as small MMA-style gyms. 665 00:31:33,804 --> 00:31:35,676 How big a network are we talking about? 666 00:31:35,676 --> 00:31:38,331 So far, we've identified over 30 active clubs 667 00:31:38,331 --> 00:31:39,941 across 9 different states 668 00:31:39,941 --> 00:31:41,987 and several provinces of Canada. 669 00:31:41,987 --> 00:31:43,292 So how do they work? 670 00:31:43,292 --> 00:31:45,294 The clubs operate as recruitment centers. 671 00:31:45,294 --> 00:31:48,428 They lure in young white men under the guise of getting fit, 672 00:31:48,428 --> 00:31:52,084 while indoctrinating them in racist ideology 673 00:31:52,084 --> 00:31:54,608 and training them in military combat. 674 00:31:54,608 --> 00:31:56,784 - They're building an army. - They're trying to. 675 00:31:56,784 --> 00:31:58,786 It's the new face of hate. 676 00:31:58,786 --> 00:32:01,528 No more white sheets or burning crosses. 677 00:32:01,528 --> 00:32:03,617 They've adapted and created a façade 678 00:32:03,617 --> 00:32:06,098 to mask their racist beliefs. 679 00:32:06,098 --> 00:32:08,230 But we need your undercover's testimony 680 00:32:08,230 --> 00:32:12,104 to secure a conviction against one of their members. 681 00:32:12,104 --> 00:32:15,411 Detective Fields has spent nine months 682 00:32:15,411 --> 00:32:17,936 embedding himself in this community. 683 00:32:17,936 --> 00:32:19,981 All that goes out the window if he testifies. 684 00:32:19,981 --> 00:32:23,158 I get that, but we're talking about murder here. 685 00:32:23,158 --> 00:32:25,856 We're not trying to step on your toes here, Nick, 686 00:32:25,856 --> 00:32:27,989 but we poured a lot of resources 687 00:32:27,989 --> 00:32:29,817 and manpower into this operation. 688 00:32:29,817 --> 00:32:31,645 The stakes are pretty high. 689 00:32:31,645 --> 00:32:34,430 We've recently received credible intel 690 00:32:34,430 --> 00:32:36,519 that Kovac is now stockpiling firearms 691 00:32:36,519 --> 00:32:39,566 and explosive materials. 692 00:32:39,566 --> 00:32:41,524 These men are terrorists. 693 00:32:41,524 --> 00:32:44,832 They're capable of significant violence. 694 00:32:46,660 --> 00:32:48,705 Are you asking me for a favor? 695 00:32:48,705 --> 00:32:51,186 I'm suggesting you take a big-picture view 696 00:32:51,186 --> 00:32:52,579 of the situation. 697 00:32:57,801 --> 00:32:59,673 We'd greatly appreciate it. 698 00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:08,203 - They're planning an attack? - Against who? 699 00:33:08,203 --> 00:33:10,336 It appears to be some sort of coordinated effort 700 00:33:10,336 --> 00:33:13,469 along the lines of the January 6th insurrection, 701 00:33:13,469 --> 00:33:17,212 only more violent and without advanced warning this time. 702 00:33:17,212 --> 00:33:20,041 This only underscores how dangerous Arnou is. 703 00:33:20,041 --> 00:33:22,652 Uh, the jury needs to know he's part of this organization. 704 00:33:22,652 --> 00:33:24,002 But exposing the undercover 705 00:33:24,002 --> 00:33:26,178 would blow up the whole investigation. 706 00:33:26,178 --> 00:33:28,745 He's the only asset they have on the inside. 707 00:33:28,745 --> 00:33:31,009 But Ellis Joyner was murdered 708 00:33:31,009 --> 00:33:34,142 most likely because he was Black. 709 00:33:34,142 --> 00:33:36,884 He deserves justice. - I couldn't agree more. 710 00:33:36,884 --> 00:33:39,321 All I'm saying is, we can't call the undercover 711 00:33:39,321 --> 00:33:41,062 as a witness. 712 00:33:42,542 --> 00:33:44,022 It's for the greater good. 713 00:33:44,022 --> 00:33:47,329 Oh, the greater good, right. 714 00:33:47,329 --> 00:33:50,028 Thank God for that phrase. 715 00:33:50,028 --> 00:33:52,117 Excuse me? 716 00:33:52,117 --> 00:33:53,205 Helps justify a lot 717 00:33:53,205 --> 00:33:57,557 of otherwise unjustifiable positions. 718 00:33:57,557 --> 00:34:00,081 You're a terrific prosecutor, Nolan. 719 00:34:00,081 --> 00:34:02,083 You're just gonna have to find another way 720 00:34:02,083 --> 00:34:04,955 to make clear to the jury that Arnou is racist. 721 00:34:11,179 --> 00:34:12,920 Mr. Kovac, 722 00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:16,489 you were Brandon Arnou's personal trainer, correct? 723 00:34:16,489 --> 00:34:18,230 Yes. 724 00:34:18,230 --> 00:34:20,014 You two spend a lot of time together? 725 00:34:20,014 --> 00:34:22,103 About five hours a week. 726 00:34:22,103 --> 00:34:24,149 Would you say you were friendly? 727 00:34:24,149 --> 00:34:26,542 Not really. We worked out together. 728 00:34:26,542 --> 00:34:29,154 - Five hours a week? - Yes. 729 00:34:29,154 --> 00:34:33,071 You and the defendant ever discuss racial ideology? 730 00:34:33,071 --> 00:34:35,073 I don't know what that means. 731 00:34:35,073 --> 00:34:37,814 Did you ever discuss racial purity, 732 00:34:37,814 --> 00:34:39,599 uh, interracial marriage, 733 00:34:39,599 --> 00:34:41,557 the role that Black people should 734 00:34:41,557 --> 00:34:44,256 or shouldn't play in society? 735 00:34:44,256 --> 00:34:46,084 I don't know what you're talking about. 736 00:34:46,084 --> 00:34:47,955 Permission to treat the witness as hostile, Your Honor? 737 00:34:47,955 --> 00:34:49,739 Permission granted. 738 00:34:51,524 --> 00:34:54,440 You have a tattoo on your arm, the number 88. 739 00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:56,920 It's a neo-Nazi symbol, isn't it? 740 00:34:56,920 --> 00:34:59,488 I don't know. I just like the number 88. 741 00:34:59,488 --> 00:35:02,056 So you don't have a problem with Black people? 742 00:35:02,056 --> 00:35:04,014 - No. - Even though you have 743 00:35:04,014 --> 00:35:07,061 four prior battery convictions, 744 00:35:07,061 --> 00:35:09,368 all for assaulting Black men, 745 00:35:09,368 --> 00:35:13,285 two that were charged as hate crimes, correct? 746 00:35:13,285 --> 00:35:14,634 It was a long time ago. 747 00:35:14,634 --> 00:35:16,940 Even though your bio 748 00:35:16,940 --> 00:35:19,160 in your various social-media accounts 749 00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:21,771 contains the phrase "blood and soil"? 750 00:35:21,771 --> 00:35:22,990 Objection, relevance. 751 00:35:22,990 --> 00:35:24,992 Rebecca Lasky testified she overheard 752 00:35:24,992 --> 00:35:28,169 the defendant utter something about blood and dirt. 753 00:35:28,169 --> 00:35:30,128 She was likely referring to the defendant's use 754 00:35:30,128 --> 00:35:32,652 of the phrase "blood and soil," a racial dog whist-- 755 00:35:32,652 --> 00:35:36,482 Objection, Ms. Lasky never mentioned the word "soil." 756 00:35:36,482 --> 00:35:38,353 Her recollection was vague. 757 00:35:38,353 --> 00:35:40,790 We have a right to raise the possibility. 758 00:35:40,790 --> 00:35:43,010 I agree. Overruled. 759 00:35:43,010 --> 00:35:45,186 You may proceed, Mr. Price. 760 00:35:45,186 --> 00:35:47,449 Isn't it true that "blood and soil" 761 00:35:47,449 --> 00:35:48,972 is a Nazi reference 762 00:35:48,972 --> 00:35:52,672 to a racially uniform society? 763 00:35:52,672 --> 00:35:54,456 It means you're proud of who you are 764 00:35:54,456 --> 00:35:55,718 and where you come from. 765 00:35:55,718 --> 00:36:00,201 And for you, that means being white. 766 00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:03,204 Yes. 767 00:36:07,382 --> 00:36:09,906 You taught the defendant how to fight, correct? 768 00:36:09,906 --> 00:36:11,647 - Yes. - Teach him how to put someone 769 00:36:11,647 --> 00:36:13,910 in a choke hold? - Yes. 770 00:36:13,910 --> 00:36:16,609 Did you teach the defendant to hate Black people? 771 00:36:16,609 --> 00:36:17,871 Objection! 772 00:36:17,871 --> 00:36:19,786 Withdrawn. 773 00:36:19,786 --> 00:36:21,744 Nothing further. 774 00:36:24,269 --> 00:36:28,360 Mr. Kovac, did you ever discuss race with Mr. Arnou? 775 00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:29,491 No. 776 00:36:29,491 --> 00:36:31,537 Have you ever heard Mr. Arnou say 777 00:36:31,537 --> 00:36:33,495 "blood and soil"? - No. 778 00:36:33,495 --> 00:36:37,760 Ellis Joyner was 6'2" and weighed 210 pounds, 779 00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:40,981 50 pounds more than Mr. Arnou. 780 00:36:40,981 --> 00:36:44,289 As a self-defense expert, do you think it was reasonable 781 00:36:44,289 --> 00:36:45,855 for Mr. Arnou 782 00:36:45,855 --> 00:36:49,511 to believe Joyner posed a lethal threat? 783 00:36:49,511 --> 00:36:50,773 Absolutely. 784 00:36:50,773 --> 00:36:53,341 Thank you. 785 00:36:53,341 --> 00:36:54,908 No further questions. 786 00:37:00,087 --> 00:37:03,351 Brandon Arnou is an elementary-school teacher, 787 00:37:03,351 --> 00:37:07,225 who's never gotten so much as a speeding ticket. 788 00:37:07,225 --> 00:37:09,401 He did not wake up that morning 789 00:37:09,401 --> 00:37:12,534 thinking about taking another person's life. 790 00:37:12,534 --> 00:37:16,886 He did not get on that train looking for a fight. 791 00:37:16,886 --> 00:37:21,543 But when he saw a fellow citizen being attacked, 792 00:37:21,543 --> 00:37:24,546 he stepped up. 793 00:37:24,546 --> 00:37:26,461 He did something. 794 00:37:28,637 --> 00:37:30,596 I live in Park Slope. 795 00:37:30,596 --> 00:37:34,077 I take the subway every day to this courthouse, 796 00:37:34,077 --> 00:37:38,560 and I take it home every night. 797 00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:41,171 And I pray... 798 00:37:41,171 --> 00:37:45,132 that if something were ever to happen, 799 00:37:45,132 --> 00:37:49,397 someone like Brandon Arnou... 800 00:37:49,397 --> 00:37:52,008 is on that train with me. 801 00:37:56,491 --> 00:37:59,146 Rebecca Lasky heard the defendant 802 00:37:59,146 --> 00:38:02,671 screaming something about blood and dirt. 803 00:38:02,671 --> 00:38:04,586 Most likely 804 00:38:04,586 --> 00:38:07,633 what he was screaming was "blood and soil," 805 00:38:07,633 --> 00:38:11,593 as a phrase that speaks to a declaration of hatred 806 00:38:11,593 --> 00:38:15,031 for all people of color. 807 00:38:15,031 --> 00:38:18,034 Ask yourself why. 808 00:38:18,034 --> 00:38:21,951 People like Mr. Arnou keep their bigotry buttoned up. 809 00:38:21,951 --> 00:38:24,432 They only discuss it 810 00:38:24,432 --> 00:38:27,696 with people they know share their hateful worldview. 811 00:38:27,696 --> 00:38:31,004 They rely on plausible deniability, 812 00:38:31,004 --> 00:38:33,876 because if the racism isn't overt, 813 00:38:33,876 --> 00:38:36,879 many people, 814 00:38:36,879 --> 00:38:40,100 many good people are all too happy 815 00:38:40,100 --> 00:38:42,145 to assume it isn't there. 816 00:38:42,145 --> 00:38:46,280 Except that, every once in a while, 817 00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:51,111 in moments of panic or--or anger... 818 00:38:51,111 --> 00:38:52,982 their mask will slip, 819 00:38:52,982 --> 00:38:56,551 and their true nature is exposed. 820 00:38:58,553 --> 00:39:03,166 Ellis Joyner was an innocent, unarmed Black man, 821 00:39:03,166 --> 00:39:05,168 suffering a medical emergency. 822 00:39:05,168 --> 00:39:07,432 And the two white people on that train with him 823 00:39:07,432 --> 00:39:11,958 assumed he was a violent threat, 824 00:39:11,958 --> 00:39:15,483 and they attacked him. 825 00:39:15,483 --> 00:39:18,181 The defendant may not have entered the fight 826 00:39:18,181 --> 00:39:19,444 with the intention to kill, 827 00:39:19,444 --> 00:39:22,447 but at some point, his focus shifted, 828 00:39:22,447 --> 00:39:24,797 and his racial hate began to manifest. 829 00:39:24,797 --> 00:39:26,407 That moment 830 00:39:26,407 --> 00:39:30,063 was when the victim, Ellis Joyner, passed out, 831 00:39:30,063 --> 00:39:32,326 when he was no longer a threat to Mr. Arnou. 832 00:39:32,326 --> 00:39:34,850 And rather than release Mr. Joyner, 833 00:39:34,850 --> 00:39:36,983 Arnou continued to choke him 834 00:39:36,983 --> 00:39:40,203 for three minutes. 835 00:39:40,203 --> 00:39:44,512 That is when his true colors emerged. 836 00:39:44,512 --> 00:39:46,862 That... 837 00:39:46,862 --> 00:39:50,953 is when he murdered Ellis Joyner. 838 00:40:01,137 --> 00:40:03,966 Mr. Foreperson, has the jury reached a verdict? 839 00:40:03,966 --> 00:40:05,620 We have, Your Honor. 840 00:40:07,535 --> 00:40:10,233 In the charge of murder in the second degree, 841 00:40:10,233 --> 00:40:12,888 we find the defendant, Brandon Arnou, 842 00:40:12,888 --> 00:40:14,237 not guilty. 843 00:40:14,237 --> 00:40:15,978 What the-- 844 00:40:15,978 --> 00:40:17,719 Yeah, baby. 845 00:40:17,719 --> 00:40:21,027 Members of the jury, we thank you for your service. 846 00:40:34,606 --> 00:40:38,871 Tough case, but you did a hell of a job. 847 00:40:38,871 --> 00:40:40,960 Thanks. 848 00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:43,441 It might have gone differently if I-- 849 00:40:43,441 --> 00:40:46,792 if I didn't have one hand tied behind my back. 850 00:40:46,792 --> 00:40:48,837 We did the best that we could. 851 00:40:48,837 --> 00:40:51,100 No, we could have done better. 852 00:40:51,100 --> 00:40:55,235 We just chose not to, for the greater good. 853 00:40:55,235 --> 00:40:57,890 I stand by my decision. 854 00:40:57,890 --> 00:40:59,935 Hey! There he is. 855 00:40:59,935 --> 00:41:02,111 And one day soon, 856 00:41:02,111 --> 00:41:04,592 when we take these bastards down 857 00:41:04,592 --> 00:41:07,856 and roll up their whole damn racist organization, 858 00:41:07,856 --> 00:41:11,469 you're gonna realize it was the right decision as well. 859 00:41:18,127 --> 00:41:20,782 Ellis Joyner deserved better. 860 00:41:24,656 --> 00:41:27,223 - All right, man. - All right, man, come on. 63778

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