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thank you
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good evening I'm David suskhein now you
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may think you know all about Truman
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Capote but you don't tonight you're
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going to see a Capote that you have
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never seen before I guarantee you an
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interesting experience we'll begin after
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this pause
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Austin but not me my guest tonight
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Truman Capote leads two lives he's one
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of the foremost American Authors that's
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life one he's also a celebrated man
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about town who's extravagant and
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sometimes controversial lifestyle is the
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stuff of which novels are made
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to put it Loosely that's true isn't it
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very Loosely in any event why do you do
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things like that why do you do things
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that get you into columns and get you
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into the new section of the newspapers
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you're too good for that you've got a
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genius do anything I've since I
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ever first began the publisher was in
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New York for various reasons
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newspapers just seem to
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oh wait a minute Truman you went on
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another television show and you went on
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in a condition that was not you at your
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best and it was a shocking and you
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shouldn't have done it why did you do it
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well because I didn't know I was doing
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it I mean I wouldn't have done it if I'd
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had the faintest idea of what was
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happening
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there was a show at that one o'clock in
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the afternoon yes I know but you see uh
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as the implication was that I had
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something to drink I hadn't had anything
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to drink at all well what made you so
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woozy and hazy and thick tongue because
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I had taken a pill uh called a tuinal
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and I'd ever taken one before I'd been
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at the dentist all right I took this
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thing called a juvenile it didn't have
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any effect on me the program started as
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it was
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about three or four minutes into it it
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began to have this terrific effect on me
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but I didn't know it
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I had no idea that anything rather odd
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it happened about it
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but that was completely an accident I've
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explained all of that
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Truman what about the uh on a lecture
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tour down south you fell off the
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platform I did not fall off any platform
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well you took a dive
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no that nothing of the kind ever
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happened the New York Times is an error
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they did never say that the New York
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Times ever said anything of the kind
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because it didn't happen
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Truman aren't you
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non-compass metas on that platform and
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didn't this at the dean of students no
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do you want to know what happened
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do you know what what happened really
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well sure
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I went walked onto the platform of the
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University of Maryland
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and the microphone was dead and I
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started talking and I realized the
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microphone was dead and I walked back
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stage I stood there for about two or
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three minutes then I walked backstage
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and I said what what's the matter with
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the microphone and they said oh there's
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something wrong they're fixing it and I
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said
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uh how I want to be to fix it and they
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said oh it's almost ready to be ready in
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a minute and so I walked back on the
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stage and I said something to the
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audience
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and the microphone was still dead and it
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was dead a total of 10 minutes and I
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finally I walked back of the stage and
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there was a reported there from a
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Washington Newspaper who I didn't know
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was there in fact several reporters was
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there and I got into an argument with
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the stage manager about it and I said
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well I'm not going to stand out there on
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the stage like that like a perfect fool
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and I walked off and that's exactly what
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happened
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I have lots of witnesses to prove it
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because they went down there with me
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you fall off I never you weren't
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anything no the dean of students didn't
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say get that man off here not at all
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nothing of the kind ever happened did
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you see the repetize on that incident
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I saw it but I didn't say it said
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anything like that oh yeah I saw what
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they said it was erroneous but that I'm
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telling you exactly what happened well
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you should sue why should I sue if I
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sued everybody for every lie that said
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about me in the newspapers I would be
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doing nothing else I have enough
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litigation problems as it is yeah you
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are suing somebody no gorby doll is
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suing me I'm not suing anybody but he
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sues everyone he really has litigation
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on his mind oh he just sues Bill Buckley
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and you he doesn't Sue everybody he lost
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the bill Buckley suit no he's also suing
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um
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I believe that he's suing Robert
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guccione the editor of Penthouse
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Magazine oh yes on that Caligula movie
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that they made right which has never
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been put together and released which
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makes you very sad because you feel
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badly when the fellow authors
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you are sad I'm always sad about Gore
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it's very sad that he has to breathe
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every day
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oh Truman you really like him down there
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he thought it must be awfully deep
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um
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Truman
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why do you go to Studio 54 and so often
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what is it because I like it the noise
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the din
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no I tell you uh quite seriously why I
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like Studio 54.
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it's a kind of total amalgamation of all
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sorts of things it's it's my I like
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nightclubs period I always have I've
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been going to them since I was 15 or 14
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years old you see I'm from New Orleans
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and which is a big nightclub cat and I
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was brought up
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there in Alabama but at my family's
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house is right in the quarter
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and so I don't know I was spent a lot of
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times in cafes and nightclubs and always
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have and
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oh I don't know when I was first in New
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York I was working at the New Yorker
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magazine I used to go almost every day
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when I was about seven 17 years old and
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I used to go every day to have lunch at
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the store club with Luna O'Neill and
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um Carol smarter she was then but then
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she became Carol soray but you wanted to
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be seen no no no they were just friends
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of mine and we used to go there to have
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lunch every day it was fun to me so the
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Waldorf no but I liked the thing yes of
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course I would have gone to needing some
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or anything I like things like that too
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I like automats I always was mad about
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ornaments there's only I still go to the
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automatic on 42nd Street and
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what is it Third Avenue I've never seen
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you in an automatically perhaps you've
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never been anywhere but I like to go to
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them I go to all kinds of places but
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still you're getting off the point I
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think that Studio 54 is the most
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interesting nightclub that I have ever
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been in in my life anywhere in the world
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and I have lived everywhere in the world
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I've lived everywhere from Moscow to
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Hong Kong Los Angeles New York Venice
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Rome never is there a nightclub in as
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amusing as Studio 5 people there absurd
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in their dress in their attitude and
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isn't there a lot of spaced out folks
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stretched out there
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where's your sense of humor get with it
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54 is a very very amusing very fun place
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what's nice about it is I think it's one
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of the healthiest places I've ever seen
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people do very little drinking there and
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very little drugging too for that matter
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they're having a really good lesson I
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ought to know where if I speak Truman
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there's sniffing of various stuff going
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on there they are like would you tell me
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any nightclub in the entire United
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States or Canada or Europe where people
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aren't sniffing or smoking something but
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I think nobody's out there nodding with
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Heroin it's a bunch of people having a
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good time they are really having a good
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time all they're doing is dancing and
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laughing and having a good time I don't
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understand
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about Studio 54. I have no food I think
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it's just pure Envy
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I just I really mean that I think people
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are just envious of any kind of success
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whatsoever Studio 54 is a success so
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therefore it's got to be knocked all the
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time true man I have seen you on one of
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those lovely Banquets with your
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performer star friends and your creative
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designing Associates and you're all
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somewhere else I said hello Truman and
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you sort of giggled you saw me
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personally
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with my own eyes yes these eyes I even
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said my God can that be Truman and I put
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my glasses off when was it
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oh I don't know it was a night that one
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of these people was having a birthday
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and you were feeling no pain and it was
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a gay wild Jamboree and you were singing
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you remember singing I sing a lot
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but I don't know but
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I did would you recommend it to your
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sister
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sure I'd recommend it to anybody I think
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it's one of the most innocent beguiling
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places and I've ever seen
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is everything the way it ought to be
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it's it's very Democratic it's all kinds
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of colors all kinds of sizes boys and
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boys together girls and girls together
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girls and boys together
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poor people rich people taxi drivers
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anything you want it's all mixed up
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together that's what I like about it I
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mean the old style nightclub uh like El
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Morocco or historic Club well no El
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Morocco's going but I mean the point is
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it was for rich people it wasn't for
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people out well ostensibly they were
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allowed to have a good time but it was
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for rich people Truman you're passionate
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perfectly Ordinary People is a new hobby
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what are you talking about I've always
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liked all kinds of people you're always
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on people's yachts and at their great
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mansions on Long Island and you're in
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the Greek Islands cruising and and
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you're uh at the thing in Spain with the
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Pamplona bull runs and so what that's
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just another thing to do isn't it I
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don't see what that's got to do with
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whether you like people or don't I like
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all kinds of people I like rich people
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because they don't aren't always trying
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to borrow something from me are you
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trying to borrow something from them
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oh no I give a great deal more than they
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give well what do you give in return for
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three weeks on a super yacht
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a lot of interesting conversation
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right how much how expensive is it
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to gambling casinos in the Aegean Sea I
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mean
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you've been I like to travel if I'm
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going to travel I'd rather travel on a
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very beautiful yacht who wouldn't
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right well that's where's the passion
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for the poor coming in those little
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folks coming into Studio 54. I think I
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pick them up on the street and take them
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to Studio 54 so they can have a good
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time
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God you're a humanitarian I I never
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thought of you that way actually I'm a
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great humanitarian
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well we'll be back for the very human uh
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Truman Capote after this Applause
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you asked me if I knew anybody who
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didn't smoke yeah the real problem yes
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there were two priests and a bush Doctor
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Who just returned from Australia I
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remember had not remembered they were
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probably growing it
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Truman
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Truman you look better than I've seen
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you look in a long time you used to be a
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rather heavy chunky would be a kind word
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you're down to fighting weight what are
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you 135 138 you hit it right on the nail
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135 is exactly what I want and that old
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bloat that probably came from booze and
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or other Hobbies is gone and you look
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bright-eyed and bushy-tailed
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you look beautiful well I go swimming a
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lot I do a lot of exercising why because
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I like it I like to go swimming it's a
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Latter day no I've always I've always
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liked to go soon was well I like a lot
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of sports actually curiously enough I'm
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I like to ski I like to swim
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away I went all the way to Miami to see
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the Super Bowl purely the fan I wanted
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to play but they wouldn't let me
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you and the Superman yeah it was fun
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yeah the Pittsburgh Steelers would throw
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you off
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um
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why are you having a facelift
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oh
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I don't know because I just decided
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that um
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but well I think this you see I believe
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in all of the little services that you
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can have done to make you feel better
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I'm a great believer in dentists and I
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have all my teeth and they look very
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good
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they're beautiful and I believe in
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I've always done exercises whether
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it's got to do with the face you have no
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face to lift oh yes I do
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um
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it's stuck it's just a small tiny thing
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that I'm having done it's not some major
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surgery it's just they are just a tiny
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little adjustment where are you doing
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this get right right here they're just
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going to take a cut right here under my
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chin it's actually a new operation
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they've only been able to do it for
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about the last eight months because they
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didn't know how to do it before if they
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had known how to do it before I would
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have done it but you see before they
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really did do face lifts I mean if you
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wanted to have if you want what I wanted
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done is right here there's a certain
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amount of loose skin under your chin I
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mean you can have it at any age when
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you're 18 or something as a serious man
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of loose skin right there is the one
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thing that that they could never do in a
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facelift they could cut above the ears
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like this you see and then draw if you
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had plastic surgery before just no well
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yes I did I had my eyes done about town
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hang my eyes done about four years ago
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were you getting baggy or something
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uh well actually I the upper lid on both
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of my eyes was rather heavy and always
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had been and I had this kind of a twitch
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in my eyes it was really literally I
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didn't do it for cosmetic reasons though
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I certainly would have I have no
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hesitation about that whatsoever but it
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did improve helped my eyesight agreement
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why are you on this beauty kick are you
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in a lot of beauty oh God no
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uh far from it if I'm in love with
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anybody I'm in love with myself that's a
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long Affair isn't it oh I love it it's
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permanent anyway
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um
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no you love anybody else
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yes the great many people whom do you
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love
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uh well I'm not sending out any
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Valentines this year
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but I am a very fond of a great many
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people aren't you well don't switch the
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birds
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whom do you love I mean I'm very fun of
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your wife she's great
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are there any other people we might know
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that I'm very fine now
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oh
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God you think loves would leap to your
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mind yes well it's just that I have a
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quite a number of people I that old
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question do you have a lot of friends no
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I know you didn't but I'm coming back
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from it I'm in reverse the thing is that
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people usually say oh well I have their
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I know 40 people but I only have three
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or four people or friends that I really
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trust you know I don't feel that way at
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all I feel I have about 30 or 40 friends
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that I really trust that I can I have
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good reason to think so now because the
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last year of my life was certainly
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pretty strenuous and I I knew who was
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really
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ready to help me if I needed it and who
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was just uh Truman if you're worried
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about naming people you love because you
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may never met somebody you can come back
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and say Yes it describes more love
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people but I mean tell us it's not that
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it's all Joyce suscon I don't blame you
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for loving her she's terrific it's a
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very nice person very good friend of
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mine
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um
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gosh I don't know I like so many people
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I said love
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well when I like somebody it amounts to
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loving them as a matter of fact I really
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don't quite see the difference I mean
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you see
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we're talking about it no I'm not you're
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talking about being in love I'm talking
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about loving
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all right then hey let's see
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um
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well I loved very much Barbara Paley
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alas she died last year I
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I love
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um I love Andy Warhol I love Halston
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they're all real good friends of mine I
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love Christopher issuewood I think
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Christopher's a wonderful person and I
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love it
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I loved he's like Dennison again the
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last three
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last year or two years you know more
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than that
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um I love
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I love Norman mailer I know you don't
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like dominating oh I like him pretty
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well I have a great admiration for him
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uh
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I
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I have a uh I'm in my great friend Jack
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dunfee
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and I love my attitude Random House Joe
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Fox and I love my lawyer Alan shorts I
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really do love him I love him totally
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dependent on him he's a wonderful person
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but if you love people why do you hurt
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them I mean you you hurt Papa Paley you
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I didn't hear her yes she hurt me no you
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wrote answered prayers excerpts she
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didn't appear in it nobody our husband
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did
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so other people said
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Truman Capote don't sit there and tell
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me that you didn't mean that character
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to be William Bailey I can sit here and
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tell you anything I want to it's the
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free country
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you're trying to turn it into a fascist
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State it's still a free country
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Truman you took good friends and some
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that you loved and you used them in the
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excerpts which instantly I thought were
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brilliant pieces of writing really
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brilliant and they appeared in Esquire
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well Haley was not Ford and so far but
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incidentally just for your own
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information nothing matters Mr Paley was
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not hurt about that uh excerpt from my
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book at all and had it been and we would
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never have had any concrete time about
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it whatsoever was it other people that
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were upsetting there was nobody that has
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appeared in that book the only two
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people that I know of that were upset
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about
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were both had no reason to be about uh
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one is a woman who believed very much
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that she was the character in the book
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uh a one of the characters and she
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wasn't I mean she really truly wasn't it
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was based on somebody and somebody who
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was a very good friend of hers but the
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people convinced her that she was the
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person and she got very she's the one
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person and I loved that woman and I
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still do I don't blame her if that's the
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way she feels about it there's nothing I
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can do about it but she's quite mistaken
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and it wasn't her now it is true that
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Barbara Paley was upset about it and
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because she is a person of a very fine
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character and very definite ideas of
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right and wrong
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she
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decided that I had done something very
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wrong that she was not going to forgive
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me for now I respected her completely
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that opinion of hers it was like
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something that we agreed when you love
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people and they have been friends and
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you have availed yourself of their
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generosity and their friendship over and
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over again in a million ways is it fair
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to then take the intimacies that you've
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shared and
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fictionalize them to use them
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fictionalized about it well you've used
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details that probably were true or you
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suspected were true in a in a piece of
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fiction call answered prayers which
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which wounded them deeply to the point
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where they said Truman Capote reason for
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anybody to have been wounded there was
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nothing hurt you're all about that at
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all but anyway I'm going to answer your
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question quite differently David because
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I think the line you're on is very
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narrow and uh
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pointless because has it hurt you no it
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has not and all my troubles the things
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that I had happened to me in the last
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couple of years had nothing to do with
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my work I'd like to make that clear
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right from the beginning because a lot
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of the things that I've read about
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myself in the last couple of years one
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would assume the implication of it was
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that these things were happening because
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I was upset about something in
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connection with my own writing and my
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work what happened was an entirely
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personal problem it was something to do
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with me it was something inside of me
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and my own relationship with other
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people and it had nothing to do with my
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work whatever you lose a lot of friends
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no I did not lose any friends that I
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know of it was
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two exceptions
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I would say two people I really did lose
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as friends because they were very upset
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about it okay but now I'm going to go
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back to this question about friendships
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and using material Etc in your work okay
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first of all to begin with
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a writer has only their own experience
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to work from they have nothing else
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that's All prus Tech when he wrote a
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remembrance of things past he wrote
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about his friends in Paris his
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relationships with them he could never
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have written the book if he hadn't
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00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:38,700
written about his friends and what he
552
00:23:37,380 --> 00:23:42,120
knew about
553
00:23:38,700 --> 00:23:43,980
Etc a writer's material is totally
554
00:23:42,120 --> 00:23:46,860
derived or at least a certain kind of
555
00:23:43,980 --> 00:23:49,400
writer certain social observance of
556
00:23:46,860 --> 00:23:53,158
which I consider myself that kind of a
557
00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:55,140
journalistic novelistic type of writer
558
00:23:53,159 --> 00:23:57,659
genre
559
00:23:55,140 --> 00:24:00,320
that's all they have they have nothing
560
00:23:57,659 --> 00:24:03,480
else there's no other material they have
561
00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:05,820
so everybody knew
562
00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:07,799
that I was writing this book you knew
563
00:24:05,820 --> 00:24:09,980
that I was writing this sure I even let
564
00:24:07,799 --> 00:24:13,740
you read parts
565
00:24:09,980 --> 00:24:17,100
to me yes you were shocked no but I'm
566
00:24:13,740 --> 00:24:20,000
not in the book okay who knows there's
567
00:24:17,100 --> 00:24:23,219
only your time may come David
568
00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:24,960
now you profess to love joy suskin you
569
00:24:23,220 --> 00:24:27,480
came to our home night after night and
570
00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:29,580
read aloud from answered prayers no one
571
00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:31,200
night one night oh three nights one
572
00:24:29,580 --> 00:24:32,899
night two nights I went to bed okay have
573
00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:36,360
it your way
574
00:24:32,900 --> 00:24:38,159
anyway the point you showed up in that
575
00:24:36,360 --> 00:24:40,080
book wouldn't we have good reason to be
576
00:24:38,159 --> 00:24:42,200
heard don't worry you're not going to
577
00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:44,340
show up in the book
578
00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:46,740
I really shouldn't have let you off the
579
00:24:44,340 --> 00:24:47,760
hook values easily
580
00:24:46,740 --> 00:24:52,020
um
581
00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:52,020
but the point is that
582
00:24:52,140 --> 00:24:57,179
every writer has a right to choose and
583
00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:59,940
use their own material that's my
584
00:24:57,179 --> 00:25:02,700
material everybody knew I was doing this
585
00:24:59,940 --> 00:25:05,580
book everybody knew it everybody knew
586
00:25:02,700 --> 00:25:08,580
what the kind of a book it was and there
587
00:25:05,580 --> 00:25:11,340
was no uh mystery there I was not
588
00:25:08,580 --> 00:25:12,120
pretending or camouflaging anything at
589
00:25:11,340 --> 00:25:14,639
all
590
00:25:12,120 --> 00:25:16,199
if you take your chances it takes your
591
00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:17,539
chances that's it
592
00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:22,020
anyway
593
00:25:17,539 --> 00:25:25,140
the book ends in in historical fact the
594
00:25:22,020 --> 00:25:28,020
book ends in 1965. everything that
595
00:25:25,140 --> 00:25:30,380
happens after 1965 there's nothing in my
596
00:25:28,020 --> 00:25:34,260
book that ever happened to anybody after
597
00:25:30,380 --> 00:25:37,799
1965. so everybody's Home Free answered
598
00:25:34,260 --> 00:25:39,779
prayers your idea it's from an angel
599
00:25:37,799 --> 00:25:41,700
saying that the worst thing that could
600
00:25:39,779 --> 00:25:43,260
happen to you in life is to have your
601
00:25:41,700 --> 00:25:46,260
prayers answered
602
00:25:43,260 --> 00:25:48,900
now it comes from Saint Teresa who says
603
00:25:46,260 --> 00:25:52,260
more tears are shed over answered
604
00:25:48,900 --> 00:25:54,539
prayers than unanswered ones and I
605
00:25:52,260 --> 00:25:56,100
thoroughly believe that to be a great
606
00:25:54,539 --> 00:25:58,799
truth
607
00:25:56,100 --> 00:26:02,340
I think the story of Jackie and Lee
608
00:25:58,799 --> 00:26:04,980
radswell the sisters
609
00:26:02,340 --> 00:26:07,139
well they actually uh are in the book
610
00:26:04,980 --> 00:26:08,460
except they're mentioned occasion there
611
00:26:07,140 --> 00:26:11,220
and
612
00:26:08,460 --> 00:26:13,440
um but do I think that their lives or a
613
00:26:11,220 --> 00:26:15,360
demonstration of answered prayer oh yes
614
00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:18,720
Truman you're hard on a witness stand
615
00:26:15,360 --> 00:26:20,459
yes are they Jackie Onassis the way you
616
00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:23,880
phrase the question it might have been
617
00:26:20,460 --> 00:26:26,700
that no not the by name but uh their
618
00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:29,100
lives the prototype for your I I'll
619
00:26:26,700 --> 00:26:30,860
answer that by simply saying that I
620
00:26:29,100 --> 00:26:34,500
think that
621
00:26:30,860 --> 00:26:36,719
that anybody who has definite goals and
622
00:26:34,500 --> 00:26:40,320
Ambitions things that they want that
623
00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:41,700
they think that they want let's say that
624
00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:44,279
that
625
00:26:41,700 --> 00:26:47,220
before you met Joyce there was some
626
00:26:44,279 --> 00:26:50,580
other woman that you knew that you were
627
00:26:47,220 --> 00:26:53,100
madly in love with and you thought that
628
00:26:50,580 --> 00:26:56,039
if I could only have that
629
00:26:53,100 --> 00:26:58,139
woman if I could only be married to that
630
00:26:56,039 --> 00:27:00,960
person then I would have everything that
631
00:26:58,140 --> 00:27:04,080
I wanted and that would be my answered
632
00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:06,779
prayer okay it was pretty smart so you
633
00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:08,580
got what you wanted then she turned out
634
00:27:06,779 --> 00:27:10,440
to be
635
00:27:08,580 --> 00:27:12,658
very nice really
636
00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:14,279
very very nice everything is very
637
00:27:12,659 --> 00:27:17,520
agreeable but
638
00:27:14,279 --> 00:27:20,400
it's just like those mechanical rabbits
639
00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:23,039
at the Greyhound races those rabbits are
640
00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:25,620
set on the track at a certain angle uh
641
00:27:23,039 --> 00:27:28,799
with Machinery going in a certain
642
00:27:25,620 --> 00:27:31,439
Pace that no matter how hard that
643
00:27:28,799 --> 00:27:35,039
Greyhound races he is never going to
644
00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:38,100
catch that rabbit and nobody in life who
645
00:27:35,039 --> 00:27:42,360
has really is a serious has very serious
646
00:27:38,100 --> 00:27:44,100
driven Ambitions and goals is ever going
647
00:27:42,360 --> 00:27:46,260
to have their prayer answered because
648
00:27:44,100 --> 00:27:48,178
the moment they get it answered another
649
00:27:46,260 --> 00:27:51,240
prayer is substituted
650
00:27:48,179 --> 00:27:53,279
are Jackie Onassis and Lee radswell her
651
00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:55,620
sister are they the prototypes of the
652
00:27:53,279 --> 00:27:58,620
heroines of your book no
653
00:27:55,620 --> 00:28:01,939
okay positively not
654
00:27:58,620 --> 00:28:04,860
but I'm certainly a person who has had
655
00:28:01,940 --> 00:28:06,960
prayers answers and then the Empire
656
00:28:04,860 --> 00:28:08,639
owned out that I just hadn't caught the
657
00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:11,760
rabbit that I wanted to catch everybody
658
00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:14,100
has you have I'm sure I like I'd like to
659
00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:16,320
know about your answered prayer because
660
00:28:14,100 --> 00:28:18,418
you had a hand in one of my answered
661
00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:21,080
prayers I'll tell you that we'll be back
662
00:28:18,419 --> 00:28:21,080
in a minute
663
00:28:27,020 --> 00:28:32,039
what answered prayers
664
00:28:29,360 --> 00:28:35,279
what's what answered prayers came to
665
00:28:32,039 --> 00:28:39,360
pass for you that you proved that proved
666
00:28:35,279 --> 00:28:42,299
to you to be disappointing and hurting
667
00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:45,959
you wanted to be a famous writer
668
00:28:42,299 --> 00:28:49,020
I wanted to be a famous writer and I
669
00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:52,380
became a famous writer but it certainly
670
00:28:49,020 --> 00:28:52,379
didn't solve
671
00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:58,020
I've started to say all my problems are
672
00:28:56,340 --> 00:29:00,779
the men that they say I don't think it
673
00:28:58,020 --> 00:29:02,460
solved any of my problems well it solved
674
00:29:00,779 --> 00:29:04,020
your vocational problem you wanted to be
675
00:29:02,460 --> 00:29:05,940
a famous writer you're one of these well
676
00:29:04,020 --> 00:29:08,460
I think I could have been just about
677
00:29:05,940 --> 00:29:11,580
anything I wanted to be within certain
678
00:29:08,460 --> 00:29:14,220
areas I mean I really would have liked
679
00:29:11,580 --> 00:29:16,740
to have been a lawyer do you know why
680
00:29:14,220 --> 00:29:19,620
you could sue people no because I have
681
00:29:16,740 --> 00:29:21,360
the one thing that that I've watched
682
00:29:19,620 --> 00:29:24,539
lawyers working in courts a library
683
00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:26,340
because of my other work repotage
684
00:29:24,539 --> 00:29:28,260
writing a book like in Cold Blood going
685
00:29:26,340 --> 00:29:32,100
to courts but
686
00:29:28,260 --> 00:29:33,658
I have an extraordinary memory and the
687
00:29:32,100 --> 00:29:36,240
three or four already
688
00:29:33,659 --> 00:29:38,279
really good lawyers that I've talked to
689
00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:40,500
her I met Zach was the key to the whole
690
00:29:38,279 --> 00:29:42,240
thing it was absolutely extraordinary
691
00:29:40,500 --> 00:29:44,760
memory remembering every little detail
692
00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:47,039
and I have that kind of memory and I
693
00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:48,120
like the whole kind of thing if I mean I
694
00:29:47,039 --> 00:29:50,340
would like to have been a courtroom
695
00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:51,969
lawyer working on difficult cases Edward
696
00:29:50,340 --> 00:29:53,639
Bennett Williams
697
00:29:51,970 --> 00:29:56,760
[Music]
698
00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:58,140
Louie Niger no I doubted marveston
699
00:29:56,760 --> 00:30:01,620
either
700
00:29:58,140 --> 00:30:04,559
he said I well he has a certain charm
701
00:30:01,620 --> 00:30:06,658
and he is a good lawyer but um he's a
702
00:30:04,559 --> 00:30:09,120
great lawyer what about Roy Cohen
703
00:30:06,659 --> 00:30:12,179
he's a very clever man yeah
704
00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:16,100
uh well what personal prayer was
705
00:30:12,179 --> 00:30:16,100
answered that proved devastating
706
00:30:17,580 --> 00:30:21,020
well I
707
00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:24,440
I
708
00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:30,659
met somebody that I thought that I
709
00:30:28,500 --> 00:30:33,779
really wanted them very much in my life
710
00:30:30,659 --> 00:30:36,960
and then when I got them in my life they
711
00:30:33,779 --> 00:30:39,120
turned out to be a complete nightmare
712
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:40,980
yeah I mean that's just to use one
713
00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:42,959
example I can think of others but that's
714
00:30:40,980 --> 00:30:44,640
a very fell in love with the wrong
715
00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:45,960
person that happened yeah it happens to
716
00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:48,899
everybody but it really it never
717
00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:51,539
happened to me before I mean never to
718
00:30:48,899 --> 00:30:53,340
that extent I made a few little minor
719
00:30:51,539 --> 00:30:58,140
mistakes here and there but I hadn't
720
00:30:53,340 --> 00:31:00,480
exactly got myself uh onto the Greyhound
721
00:30:58,140 --> 00:31:03,179
racetrack I I just mentioned that
722
00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:04,620
because I I consider that's probably the
723
00:31:03,179 --> 00:31:07,799
most common
724
00:31:04,620 --> 00:31:09,899
a prayer among all humans that I mean
725
00:31:07,799 --> 00:31:13,620
that it's happened to everybody that
726
00:31:09,899 --> 00:31:15,539
that particular kind of situation occurs
727
00:31:13,620 --> 00:31:17,639
um do you have any regret at a
728
00:31:15,539 --> 00:31:18,600
particular painful thing that you did to
729
00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:21,539
me
730
00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:23,459
um you came to me one day we were
731
00:31:21,539 --> 00:31:24,960
Neighbors in the same building
732
00:31:23,460 --> 00:31:28,740
you said
733
00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:32,179
um in your own innumerable way I love
734
00:31:28,740 --> 00:31:36,059
this person whose life is just empty of
735
00:31:32,179 --> 00:31:38,460
accomplishment and and she's so gifted
736
00:31:36,059 --> 00:31:40,530
and talented and I want you to do a
737
00:31:38,460 --> 00:31:40,980
great television drama
738
00:31:40,530 --> 00:31:42,020
[Music]
739
00:31:40,980 --> 00:31:45,840
um
740
00:31:42,020 --> 00:31:49,500
yes and my idea was that you should make
741
00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:51,779
a remake of Laura no your idea I wish
742
00:31:49,500 --> 00:31:54,179
that had been your idea your idea was
743
00:31:51,779 --> 00:31:57,539
the voice of the turtle
744
00:31:54,179 --> 00:32:00,480
that I said to you because I was very
745
00:31:57,539 --> 00:32:02,940
sober that voice of the turtle was a
746
00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:05,940
triumphant vehicle for the late Margaret
747
00:32:02,940 --> 00:32:07,620
saw right that the lady in the play was
748
00:32:05,940 --> 00:32:09,240
never off stage from the moment the
749
00:32:07,620 --> 00:32:11,760
curtain went up to the moment the play
750
00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:14,700
ended that that was a very demanding
751
00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:17,640
thing maybe we better think of something
752
00:32:14,700 --> 00:32:24,000
else incidentally can she act
753
00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:28,440
can she act you said she's wonderful
754
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:31,559
and I remember the entire thing sure and
755
00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:34,740
then I said Truman I had a dream last
756
00:32:31,559 --> 00:32:36,720
night Laura Laura isn't in the play for
757
00:32:34,740 --> 00:32:39,059
one half of the play everybody talks
758
00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:40,799
about her how beautiful she was that's a
759
00:32:39,059 --> 00:32:45,960
good idea too that's right
760
00:32:40,799 --> 00:32:49,080
then you said I'll do the adaptation and
761
00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:50,700
I said that's wonderful of you and then
762
00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:52,980
you said not only that I've talked to
763
00:32:50,700 --> 00:32:55,260
the president of ABC and we'll put it on
764
00:32:52,980 --> 00:32:58,020
ABC and we did
765
00:32:55,260 --> 00:32:58,799
yes we did now
766
00:32:58,020 --> 00:33:01,679
um
767
00:32:58,799 --> 00:33:04,679
it wasn't one of the triumphant
768
00:33:01,679 --> 00:33:07,200
achievements of that particular year or
769
00:33:04,679 --> 00:33:09,419
any year as a matter of fact the
770
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:13,019
newspapers and the magazines had a feel
771
00:33:09,419 --> 00:33:15,299
day they took this nice girl and
772
00:33:13,019 --> 00:33:17,820
crucified her yeah well it would have
773
00:33:15,299 --> 00:33:22,559
happened regardless but why did you
774
00:33:17,820 --> 00:33:24,720
engineer it I had listen first of all I
775
00:33:22,559 --> 00:33:26,220
thought that she was very good in it I
776
00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:28,019
thought that the I thought the
777
00:33:26,220 --> 00:33:30,059
production was excellent all the
778
00:33:28,019 --> 00:33:32,159
surrounding cast was good I thought it
779
00:33:30,059 --> 00:33:35,279
was a first class production it got
780
00:33:32,159 --> 00:33:37,559
tremendously high ratings it's very very
781
00:33:35,279 --> 00:33:39,960
high rate now let's get into the pluses
782
00:33:37,559 --> 00:33:43,440
all right it got tremendously High
783
00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:45,840
rating now I think Lee was really quite
784
00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:48,899
good you were in Todd you think she was
785
00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:51,299
adequate well I think for that's a very
786
00:33:48,899 --> 00:33:53,039
that's praise to say that she was
787
00:33:51,299 --> 00:33:55,379
adequate considering the first time
788
00:33:53,039 --> 00:33:57,720
she'd ever done anything like that and
789
00:33:55,380 --> 00:34:01,559
was under was very nervous and under a
790
00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:03,539
lot of pressure but we've got to admit
791
00:34:01,559 --> 00:34:06,360
that
792
00:34:03,539 --> 00:34:08,339
I hadn't foreseen it to the extent that
793
00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:10,859
it did but I did foresee that no matter
794
00:34:08,339 --> 00:34:13,980
what she did the Press was going to come
795
00:34:10,859 --> 00:34:16,020
down on her like hell and not entirely
796
00:34:13,980 --> 00:34:18,179
because of Lee read the will but because
797
00:34:16,020 --> 00:34:20,759
a great deal of the press and the
798
00:34:18,179 --> 00:34:22,740
particularly at that time less so now
799
00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:25,139
than it but at that time they really
800
00:34:22,739 --> 00:34:27,239
wanted to say nasty things about Mrs
801
00:34:25,139 --> 00:34:29,879
Kennedy about Jackie but they never
802
00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:32,638
could because at that time Jackie was
803
00:34:29,879 --> 00:34:34,679
still a little saint Mr Onassis had
804
00:34:32,639 --> 00:34:37,859
never appeared on the horizon she was
805
00:34:34,679 --> 00:34:39,839
still the Widow lady you know but there
806
00:34:37,859 --> 00:34:41,940
was a lot of resentment and in the
807
00:34:39,839 --> 00:34:44,460
Envy's the one thing that's wrong with
808
00:34:41,940 --> 00:34:46,260
this country among many things that are
809
00:34:44,460 --> 00:34:48,720
wrong with it but people never recognize
810
00:34:46,260 --> 00:34:51,119
that as Americans are the most envious
811
00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:53,299
people in the world with a possible
812
00:34:51,119 --> 00:34:56,940
exception of the French
813
00:34:53,300 --> 00:34:59,940
they cannot they they love and adore
814
00:34:56,940 --> 00:35:01,800
success and fame and glamor and but they
815
00:34:59,940 --> 00:35:03,960
love to tear it down and throw the
816
00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:05,940
person in the mud and say the nastiest
817
00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:09,480
things they can about them
818
00:35:05,940 --> 00:35:12,060
in all of this adulation of Jackie at
819
00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:15,599
that time now we're pre Onassis pre
820
00:35:12,060 --> 00:35:17,759
everything we're the Widow Kennedy
821
00:35:15,599 --> 00:35:20,880
underneath all of that there was a
822
00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:23,460
tremendous animosity of Envy for this
823
00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:25,560
beautiful girl who everything and here
824
00:35:23,460 --> 00:35:27,540
was his sister first Lee radziwell
825
00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:30,960
having the nerve because she was a
826
00:35:27,540 --> 00:35:32,880
sister of Mrs uh Kennedy everybody oh
827
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:34,619
she wouldn't even gotten a job if she
828
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:37,940
wasn't Mrs Kennedy's sister which is
829
00:35:34,619 --> 00:35:37,940
perfectly true everybody
830
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:42,540
she wouldn't have gotten a job she
831
00:35:40,740 --> 00:35:44,339
Nobody David says guy wouldn't have
832
00:35:42,540 --> 00:35:45,119
produced it ABC wouldn't have put it on
833
00:35:44,339 --> 00:35:47,940
the air
834
00:35:45,119 --> 00:35:50,339
naturally it was going to uh have a
835
00:35:47,940 --> 00:35:52,560
whole thing come down on it bang you
836
00:35:50,339 --> 00:35:55,619
know I I didn't realize it would be
837
00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:58,200
quite so severe as it was but but even
838
00:35:55,619 --> 00:36:00,599
she knew that but she was wanting to
839
00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:03,540
take the risk because she wanted very
840
00:36:00,599 --> 00:36:06,240
much to have a life of her own I think
841
00:36:03,540 --> 00:36:08,579
the whole thing I don't look back on it
842
00:36:06,240 --> 00:36:10,078
with any regret you seem to look back on
843
00:36:08,579 --> 00:36:11,760
it with regret how would you like to
844
00:36:10,079 --> 00:36:13,320
come on the Johnny Carson show for the
845
00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:14,940
rest of your life and they play Laura
846
00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:17,339
yes but that's a private joke between
847
00:36:14,940 --> 00:36:19,260
you and Johnny and you know why it has
848
00:36:17,339 --> 00:36:21,119
since anything to do with any long
849
00:36:19,260 --> 00:36:23,280
memory that you were the producer of
850
00:36:21,119 --> 00:36:26,220
Laura it's a long memory in Johnny's
851
00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:28,560
life but not and anybody else's well
852
00:36:26,220 --> 00:36:30,540
because I had a party in which I did a
853
00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:33,119
preview of that program for a group of
854
00:36:30,540 --> 00:36:34,859
people of which you were one and Ingrid
855
00:36:33,119 --> 00:36:36,599
Bergman and Johnny Carson and they were
856
00:36:34,859 --> 00:36:40,619
they were some of them left the party
857
00:36:36,599 --> 00:36:44,640
yeah well as you see Chinese
858
00:36:40,619 --> 00:36:47,220
I suppose Johnny was offended
859
00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:49,319
because he's offended by the command of
860
00:36:47,220 --> 00:36:53,040
the Rich and Famous by the fact that you
861
00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:54,839
can you could just say I think it was a
862
00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:56,640
little bit more different than that I
863
00:36:54,839 --> 00:36:58,500
think perhaps there was some element of
864
00:36:56,640 --> 00:37:00,859
that any but I think it has something to
865
00:36:58,500 --> 00:37:04,380
do with his sense of professionalism
866
00:37:00,859 --> 00:37:07,680
I think he's sort of resented the idea
867
00:37:04,380 --> 00:37:09,599
of a young lady who was not a
868
00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:12,060
professional being starred in a
869
00:37:09,599 --> 00:37:13,740
expensive production like that that's
870
00:37:12,060 --> 00:37:16,140
what I really think it was about well
871
00:37:13,740 --> 00:37:18,839
yes and I think justifiably so
872
00:37:16,140 --> 00:37:22,319
mountain now do you know that the young
873
00:37:18,839 --> 00:37:24,420
lady today does not cuddle the memory to
874
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:27,359
her bosom
875
00:37:24,420 --> 00:37:29,940
um I know that she's bitter about it and
876
00:37:27,359 --> 00:37:33,119
you see your your work has well so I
877
00:37:29,940 --> 00:37:35,000
mean I can't what am I to say about it
878
00:37:33,119 --> 00:37:38,640
other than what I just said
879
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:40,980
in the end perhaps although I have never
880
00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:42,960
had this discussion with her I don't and
881
00:37:40,980 --> 00:37:45,660
I have talked about the
882
00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:47,460
program with her and other things that
883
00:37:45,660 --> 00:37:51,000
she's done and she certainly has never
884
00:37:47,460 --> 00:37:53,700
expressed to me any bitterness about it
885
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:56,220
I mean I mean that quite truthfully
886
00:37:53,700 --> 00:37:59,399
I know that she had some feeling of
887
00:37:56,220 --> 00:38:00,899
hostility towards you which I never and
888
00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:04,680
you don't think that that's ironic
889
00:38:00,900 --> 00:38:07,380
Justice that I was dragooned by you to
890
00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:10,980
do this act against the American public
891
00:38:07,380 --> 00:38:13,619
and that today I am hated really making
892
00:38:10,980 --> 00:38:16,099
it as too much of a federal case here
893
00:38:13,619 --> 00:38:18,720
because it happened to me
894
00:38:16,099 --> 00:38:21,060
but you survived I would like you to
895
00:38:18,720 --> 00:38:24,240
just didn't divorce you your daughter
896
00:38:21,060 --> 00:38:26,160
said mantha didn't run away from home I
897
00:38:24,240 --> 00:38:28,319
have all those millions in the numbered
898
00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:31,560
account in Switzerland I really can't
899
00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:34,440
grieve over it David honestly thankful
900
00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:37,700
for minor Pleasures none of which as you
901
00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:41,060
get older David they all become minor
902
00:38:37,700 --> 00:38:44,879
all pleasures become minor with age
903
00:38:41,060 --> 00:38:47,040
well they I don't know I had to give up
904
00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:48,960
drinking I had to give up smoking I had
905
00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:50,579
to even give up taking an occasional
906
00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:52,980
sleeping pill
907
00:38:50,579 --> 00:38:55,920
and I don't know there are a few left
908
00:38:52,980 --> 00:38:59,300
but yeah well I'm getting so picky that
909
00:38:55,920 --> 00:39:02,640
that's practically our non-existent too
910
00:38:59,300 --> 00:39:05,820
my standards are getting very high your
911
00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:09,060
monastic existence is depressing I will
912
00:39:05,820 --> 00:39:11,300
come back to The Saga of war after this
913
00:39:09,060 --> 00:39:11,299
pause
914
00:39:18,540 --> 00:39:24,480
um Gilman you've been a kind of friend
915
00:39:21,119 --> 00:39:28,260
and observer of the Rich and Famous for
916
00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:30,540
a long time what makes them uh different
917
00:39:28,260 --> 00:39:34,500
aside from their money they are
918
00:39:30,540 --> 00:39:37,859
different the rich yeah Mrs Guinness oh
919
00:39:34,500 --> 00:39:39,540
yes Haley is the biggest because they
920
00:39:37,859 --> 00:39:42,660
serve better vegetables than other
921
00:39:39,540 --> 00:39:46,440
people they have such delicious little
922
00:39:42,660 --> 00:39:49,618
tiny scarcely born vegetables and all
923
00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:53,040
out of season and everything's great now
924
00:39:49,619 --> 00:39:56,400
little lambs that Hardy were born
925
00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:58,619
little tiny carrots little peas oh it's
926
00:39:56,400 --> 00:40:01,079
fabulous things like that you know it
927
00:39:58,619 --> 00:40:03,420
makes you fall in love but aside from
928
00:40:01,079 --> 00:40:05,940
the little peas and carrots and the
929
00:40:03,420 --> 00:40:08,520
gorgeous cauliflower I mean
930
00:40:05,940 --> 00:40:10,400
what about them
931
00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:13,560
are they interested
932
00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:16,020
they're interested in each other
933
00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:19,740
well isn't that boring
934
00:40:16,020 --> 00:40:22,800
well you see the the rich in that sense
935
00:40:19,740 --> 00:40:26,459
they are do cling together it's a real
936
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:28,680
click I was quite fascinated to read you
937
00:40:26,460 --> 00:40:32,400
know about Nelson rockefeller's memorial
938
00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:36,480
service uh people that I know for a fact
939
00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:38,220
didn't like Nelson at all at all we're
940
00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:42,240
there
941
00:40:38,220 --> 00:40:44,060
uh are you there no I wasn't there okay
942
00:40:42,240 --> 00:40:47,759
uh
943
00:40:44,060 --> 00:40:50,420
but I mean I know many very very rich
944
00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:54,119
people who
945
00:40:50,420 --> 00:40:56,640
say they're going to give the big cruise
946
00:40:54,119 --> 00:40:59,400
and the Turkish Coast they've got a
947
00:40:56,640 --> 00:41:01,140
yacht with a crew of 26 they can have 14
948
00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:03,960
guests
949
00:41:01,140 --> 00:41:06,118
with a couple of exceptions of some sort
950
00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:08,300
of intellectual or somebody who knows a
951
00:41:06,119 --> 00:41:11,160
great deal about Turkish archeology
952
00:41:08,300 --> 00:41:13,579
practically everybody on that yard will
953
00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:16,640
be somebody who's very very rich
954
00:41:13,579 --> 00:41:18,200
because they cling together
955
00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:21,118
no
956
00:41:18,200 --> 00:41:23,160
life itself some of them are dumb and
957
00:41:21,119 --> 00:41:24,359
some of them are extraordinarily gifted
958
00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:26,040
and intelligent
959
00:41:24,359 --> 00:41:28,740
ah
960
00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:30,420
some of the most well for instance I'll
961
00:41:28,740 --> 00:41:33,660
give you an example of a man who's
962
00:41:30,420 --> 00:41:35,240
extremely intelligent in every way of
963
00:41:33,660 --> 00:41:38,578
cultivated
964
00:41:35,240 --> 00:41:39,660
Charming a man very few people his name
965
00:41:38,579 --> 00:41:41,760
is
966
00:41:39,660 --> 00:41:44,940
picture scarcity ever appears in the
967
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:46,500
paper anything uh Paul Mellon he's
968
00:41:44,940 --> 00:41:48,780
certainly one of the two of the three
969
00:41:46,500 --> 00:41:51,660
richest men in America probably in the
970
00:41:48,780 --> 00:41:53,099
world I couldn't couldn't possibly be
971
00:41:51,660 --> 00:41:55,560
more intelligent I'll tell you another
972
00:41:53,099 --> 00:41:58,220
me that people don't hear about his name
973
00:41:55,560 --> 00:42:01,078
is Roberto Anderson
974
00:41:58,220 --> 00:42:03,480
Atlantic Richfield oil company he's a
975
00:42:01,079 --> 00:42:05,520
great philanthropist a man of tremendous
976
00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:07,619
charm and intelligence very well read
977
00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:09,839
very cultivated and ever since the great
978
00:42:07,619 --> 00:42:12,180
friend of mine Mr Paley is a cultivated
979
00:42:09,839 --> 00:42:15,000
person I could not possibly be more so
980
00:42:12,180 --> 00:42:16,980
he's the only man I've ever met who has
981
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:20,160
such an extraordinarily highly developed
982
00:42:16,980 --> 00:42:23,820
sense of aesthetic that one day I was
983
00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:25,379
watching him sharpen some pencils he was
984
00:42:23,820 --> 00:42:27,359
just sitting in a desk with a little
985
00:42:25,380 --> 00:42:29,520
pencil sharp and he kept sharpening
986
00:42:27,359 --> 00:42:31,440
these pencils and putting them down and
987
00:42:29,520 --> 00:42:33,839
finally looked up at me and he said what
988
00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:35,940
are you looking at me like that for and
989
00:42:33,839 --> 00:42:37,920
I said because it's really an aesthetic
990
00:42:35,940 --> 00:42:41,579
experience to watch you sharpen those
991
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:43,980
pencils you have such a nice idea of how
992
00:42:41,579 --> 00:42:45,540
it should be and how it should look and
993
00:42:43,980 --> 00:42:48,119
what color it should be and where it's
994
00:42:45,540 --> 00:42:51,359
going to be placed in that box when Bill
995
00:42:48,119 --> 00:42:53,400
Paley walks into a room his eyes scan it
996
00:42:51,359 --> 00:42:54,480
like with the magical thing and he sees
997
00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:55,800
everything that's good and everything
998
00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:57,960
that's bad
999
00:42:55,800 --> 00:43:00,660
that's why I had to marry a woman like
1000
00:42:57,960 --> 00:43:02,400
Barbara Paley who was Perfection all of
1001
00:43:00,660 --> 00:43:04,379
these things will he marry now do you
1002
00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:06,300
think I don't think that he would bury
1003
00:43:04,380 --> 00:43:09,720
anybody again I mean
1004
00:43:06,300 --> 00:43:12,480
he has a very a very nice life hundreds
1005
00:43:09,720 --> 00:43:15,859
of friends they all adore him
1006
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:20,040
and um I'm sure he
1007
00:43:15,859 --> 00:43:22,200
must be very a lonely man without
1008
00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:23,960
um Barbara Petty because she was really
1009
00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:27,720
really unique
1010
00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:30,240
uh you told us about some distinguished
1011
00:43:27,720 --> 00:43:34,200
sophisticated intelligent rich
1012
00:43:30,240 --> 00:43:36,959
who are some dreary Rich Charles redson
1013
00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:38,759
I mean beyond that you can't go
1014
00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:39,660
I I would agree with that but he's very
1015
00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:42,720
dead
1016
00:43:39,660 --> 00:43:47,098
oh well that's one lucky thing isn't it
1017
00:43:42,720 --> 00:43:49,439
I mean he was uh yeah he was dreary and
1018
00:43:47,099 --> 00:43:51,780
Boris but he's gone and he's in the
1019
00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:54,180
bosom of the Lord and we should not say
1020
00:43:51,780 --> 00:43:56,160
anything unkind about it uh somebody
1021
00:43:54,180 --> 00:43:59,098
somebody I don't see why the dead should
1022
00:43:56,160 --> 00:44:01,319
be immune I think they're a good game
1023
00:43:59,099 --> 00:44:03,839
myself only because they can't answer
1024
00:44:01,319 --> 00:44:06,540
back who cares they've got lots of
1025
00:44:03,839 --> 00:44:09,060
relatives and lawyers and things
1026
00:44:06,540 --> 00:44:12,000
um an eerie way of rising from the grave
1027
00:44:09,060 --> 00:44:13,940
no he's not coming back is he thank God
1028
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:18,619
please don't threaten us
1029
00:44:13,940 --> 00:44:18,619
who's alive who's rich and dreary
1030
00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:22,280
Jerome Zipkin
1031
00:44:22,700 --> 00:44:27,240
you can't get drearier than that and
1032
00:44:25,140 --> 00:44:28,560
he's alive
1033
00:44:27,240 --> 00:44:30,660
yeah
1034
00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:32,520
I can tell you a mob is a zipkin's
1035
00:44:30,660 --> 00:44:36,359
theory but it isn't arable
1036
00:44:32,520 --> 00:44:40,819
it isn't Arab I mean a recent one well
1037
00:44:36,359 --> 00:44:43,380
don't Jesus wwd calls him a social moth
1038
00:44:40,819 --> 00:44:46,560
WWE's women's wear daily yeah you can't
1039
00:44:43,380 --> 00:44:49,160
use those code words here as an American
1040
00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:49,160
puppets
1041
00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:56,118
how do you feel about it this is a good
1042
00:44:52,020 --> 00:44:56,119
game Rich dreary people
1043
00:44:58,230 --> 00:45:01,289
[Music]
1044
00:45:01,560 --> 00:45:03,619
um
1045
00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:10,020
Rich Fury people
1046
00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:12,859
on David Rockefeller is very nice and
1047
00:45:10,020 --> 00:45:12,859
very boring
1048
00:45:13,500 --> 00:45:20,240
uh Lawrence Rockefeller is very Charlie
1049
00:45:16,460 --> 00:45:20,240
that's a strange family
1050
00:45:21,540 --> 00:45:26,460
um how are the Kennedys
1051
00:45:23,700 --> 00:45:28,439
how's Jacqueline well you know somebody
1052
00:45:26,460 --> 00:45:32,099
asked me
1053
00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:34,140
uh what I would give Jackie uh
1054
00:45:32,099 --> 00:45:36,839
for a Christmas presents some columnist
1055
00:45:34,140 --> 00:45:38,460
asking and I said oh a sex change
1056
00:45:36,839 --> 00:45:42,060
operation
1057
00:45:38,460 --> 00:45:44,040
and they said what a what I said a sex
1058
00:45:42,060 --> 00:45:45,960
change operation they said why would you
1059
00:45:44,040 --> 00:45:47,880
give her a sex change operation I said
1060
00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:50,760
well the American public absolutely
1061
00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:54,000
seems to die to have a Kennedy and I'd
1062
00:45:50,760 --> 00:45:57,300
rather they'd have Jackie than Teddy
1063
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:59,460
get it yes
1064
00:45:57,300 --> 00:46:02,040
yes that's not all that complicated I
1065
00:45:59,460 --> 00:46:03,900
think it's bad taste huh well I think
1066
00:46:02,040 --> 00:46:08,040
it's quite I think it's questionable how
1067
00:46:03,900 --> 00:46:10,200
is she as a person as a social being to
1068
00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:12,540
talk with I mean um
1069
00:46:10,200 --> 00:46:14,098
geez It's a Wonderful story Philip Roth
1070
00:46:12,540 --> 00:46:16,440
tells about
1071
00:46:14,099 --> 00:46:19,500
about being her escort you know his wife
1072
00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:22,920
very funny he's very funny very witty
1073
00:46:19,500 --> 00:46:25,260
man he uh his wife died in an accident
1074
00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:28,020
in Central Park and he was something of
1075
00:46:25,260 --> 00:46:29,410
a uh a social lion in the sense that he
1076
00:46:28,020 --> 00:46:32,489
was a bachelor
1077
00:46:29,410 --> 00:46:32,489
[Music]
1078
00:46:32,780 --> 00:46:36,599
and he was much in this
1079
00:46:35,520 --> 00:46:39,359
in
1080
00:46:36,599 --> 00:46:41,640
an extra man he was the extra man and he
1081
00:46:39,359 --> 00:46:43,740
was sought after and
1082
00:46:41,640 --> 00:46:46,140
I wonder if I can tell this I'll think
1083
00:46:43,740 --> 00:46:48,899
about that what do you think of her as a
1084
00:46:46,140 --> 00:46:51,020
social person at dinner her knowledge of
1085
00:46:48,900 --> 00:46:54,420
the world her concern with human life
1086
00:46:51,020 --> 00:46:57,720
from where women's wear daily I only get
1087
00:46:54,420 --> 00:47:00,720
a sense that she's a compulsive shopper
1088
00:46:57,720 --> 00:47:02,399
that she's in Valentino and she says she
1089
00:47:00,720 --> 00:47:05,459
is a compulsive Shopper a lot of people
1090
00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:07,260
are I'm a compulsive shopper
1091
00:47:05,460 --> 00:47:09,060
um
1092
00:47:07,260 --> 00:47:11,819
as a matter of fact it's my favorite
1093
00:47:09,060 --> 00:47:14,220
form of exercise to be with her is to
1094
00:47:11,819 --> 00:47:16,140
bask in a particular Radiance do you
1095
00:47:14,220 --> 00:47:19,200
think
1096
00:47:16,140 --> 00:47:22,618
oh I don't know there's something about
1097
00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:24,960
Jackie I've always liked her you know I
1098
00:47:22,619 --> 00:47:27,920
knew her when
1099
00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:32,400
well I knew her before she was
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00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:34,079
ever married and we take her today do
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00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:37,319
you have you seen her lately
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00:47:34,079 --> 00:47:38,700
yes I saw her in the club a couple of
1103
00:47:37,319 --> 00:47:40,440
months ago she's not one of those people
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00:47:38,700 --> 00:47:44,040
who have taken a dim view of your
1105
00:47:40,440 --> 00:47:46,980
written answer no no okay when you've
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00:47:44,040 --> 00:47:49,560
seen her is she friendly do you share a
1107
00:47:46,980 --> 00:47:53,280
Von moles do you talk about what do you
1108
00:47:49,560 --> 00:47:56,819
think of Iran or no well I've seen her
1109
00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:58,740
since Iran right by the way you know the
1110
00:47:56,819 --> 00:48:00,660
Shah and Farah deeper are very good
1111
00:47:58,740 --> 00:48:03,240
friends of mine no I didn't know that
1112
00:48:00,660 --> 00:48:06,240
yes I thought they'd Escape something I
1113
00:48:03,240 --> 00:48:07,919
went to stay with him in Iran about five
1114
00:48:06,240 --> 00:48:10,379
years ago
1115
00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:12,420
uh I would well I knew them originally
1116
00:48:10,380 --> 00:48:15,720
from Switzerland because you know I used
1117
00:48:12,420 --> 00:48:18,740
to spend every winter in Switzerland and
1118
00:48:15,720 --> 00:48:21,598
um and I was the very good friend of
1119
00:48:18,740 --> 00:48:24,299
pharaoh Diva who's a Charming delightful
1120
00:48:21,599 --> 00:48:28,079
nightmares a very intelligent sensitive
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00:48:24,300 --> 00:48:30,300
person and I like the Shah very much I
1122
00:48:28,079 --> 00:48:33,780
think all this is a
1123
00:48:30,300 --> 00:48:36,599
terrific tragedy because
1124
00:48:33,780 --> 00:48:39,359
of course and it is true all the
1125
00:48:36,599 --> 00:48:41,460
corruption in Iran and the Iranian royal
1126
00:48:39,359 --> 00:48:43,500
family went into the big country the way
1127
00:48:41,460 --> 00:48:46,920
it set up the complications of it he
1128
00:48:43,500 --> 00:48:49,740
really was trying very hard to make all
1129
00:48:46,920 --> 00:48:52,800
sorts of social improvements in
1130
00:48:49,740 --> 00:48:55,140
education gosh knows the Iranian women
1131
00:48:52,800 --> 00:48:57,180
were emancipated to an extraordinary if
1132
00:48:55,140 --> 00:48:59,940
you were to discover that he had two
1133
00:48:57,180 --> 00:49:01,919
billion dollars in Swiss bank accounts
1134
00:48:59,940 --> 00:49:03,960
and American stocks and real estate
1135
00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:06,380
would you be against I would assume that
1136
00:49:03,960 --> 00:49:06,380
he did
1137
00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:12,780
should a man loot his country
1138
00:49:10,500 --> 00:49:15,359
I think it was his own money
1139
00:49:12,780 --> 00:49:18,960
that he inherited from Dad
1140
00:49:15,359 --> 00:49:20,700
well I inherit you look yes come on he
1141
00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:21,900
stole the country blind I don't believe
1142
00:49:20,700 --> 00:49:25,799
that
1143
00:49:21,900 --> 00:49:29,339
I believe I believe completely fit his
1144
00:49:25,800 --> 00:49:31,079
relatives did an awful lot uh and I
1145
00:49:29,339 --> 00:49:33,839
don't think that they did it without his
1146
00:49:31,079 --> 00:49:37,859
knowledge but I don't think that the
1147
00:49:33,839 --> 00:49:39,599
Shah is basically a dishonest man I
1148
00:49:37,859 --> 00:49:43,040
really don't he's right I know a great
1149
00:49:39,599 --> 00:49:46,020
deal about it red and I know that all my
1150
00:49:43,040 --> 00:49:49,140
most intelligent friends like Alex
1151
00:49:46,020 --> 00:49:50,759
Colbert those guys that call him for the
1152
00:49:49,140 --> 00:49:54,900
Village Voice and he's been you know
1153
00:49:50,760 --> 00:49:58,020
riding very uh strong in the against the
1154
00:49:54,900 --> 00:49:59,940
Shah for years now and I know many my
1155
00:49:58,020 --> 00:50:03,420
friends who could not possibly be more
1156
00:49:59,940 --> 00:50:06,180
anti-shop and I I know a number who know
1157
00:50:03,420 --> 00:50:09,240
him as well as I did and who agree with
1158
00:50:06,180 --> 00:50:12,359
me and I think that they will come to
1159
00:50:09,240 --> 00:50:17,700
regret this because this the business of
1160
00:50:12,359 --> 00:50:19,859
the moolahs and and the of the leftists
1161
00:50:17,700 --> 00:50:22,020
there making a combination together will
1162
00:50:19,859 --> 00:50:24,960
never work it's all going to end in some
1163
00:50:22,020 --> 00:50:26,700
kind of incredible Civil War when the
1164
00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:28,680
when you were guest of the Shah did he
1165
00:50:26,700 --> 00:50:31,379
have those lovely little peas and
1166
00:50:28,680 --> 00:50:35,098
tomatoes and potatoes yes he did did he
1167
00:50:31,380 --> 00:50:37,560
and marvelous caviar too golden only the
1168
00:50:35,099 --> 00:50:39,060
shaw has it it's not brown or gray I
1169
00:50:37,560 --> 00:50:41,099
mean it's not black and it's not gray
1170
00:50:39,060 --> 00:50:44,400
it's golden what about little unborn
1171
00:50:41,099 --> 00:50:48,119
Lambs well these golden caviar is unborn
1172
00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:50,579
caviar or unborn sturgeon
1173
00:50:48,119 --> 00:50:52,740
come come David get with it the war is
1174
00:50:50,579 --> 00:50:55,500
over come out of the trenches
1175
00:50:52,740 --> 00:51:00,540
oh I'm coming out of the trenches in the
1176
00:50:55,500 --> 00:51:00,540
next segment we'll be right back
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