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And this device measures the amount
of blood in your vaginal cavity.
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I'm sorry, what?!
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Can I ask a question? Sure.
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Can you read my mind
through my vagina?
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No.
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It's going in...now.
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Jesus.
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Can you guys see that it's in?
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I can see your signal.
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Oh, my God, my signal?
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The BLEEP is happening?
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Good question.
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Just how did I end up in
a sex lab in the Netherlands
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with a probe up my vagina?
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I can see your vaginal pulse, yes.
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Great! I love that for us.
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Well, I'm on a very personal
journey into my own sexuality.
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You may or may not know,
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I've had relationships with
both men and women.
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But, I still struggle with
being open, really open about
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just how much I love women.
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Growing up with a lot of
shame and thinking,
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"This isn't normal,
this isn't human" -
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but it's, like, it is.
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Will exploring the science of
sexuality help me accept who I am?
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Oh, my God what's it doing?!
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The moment there was
something sexual,
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you had this automatic
genital arousal response.
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My full, glorious queer self?
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Can meeting other queer people
from across the globe teach me
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how to be out, loud and proud?
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I think we need to be
proud every day.
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Put your hand together
for The Darvish!
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Stunning!
CHEERING
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Well, I'm a homosexual.
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Very gay, over-the-top.
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Extremely flamboyant.
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Hold on to your seats,
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buckle in,
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it's going to be a bumpy,
wild ride, folks.
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Loving the crowd's vibe today.
Loving you guys!
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CHEERING
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OFF CAMERA: Are you ready to go
talk about being ga-a-ay?
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Eey. Go gay.
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Queer is here.
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Cara Dele-queer.
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Serious, serious.
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I always have, kind of,
believed in the no-labels thing,
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but again, have spent a lot
of time then saying,
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"I'm bisexual, I'm pansexual".
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I am queer.
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I'm 100%, can tell you
that I'm queer.
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I just don't know what else
I can say other than that.
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Even though I've been queer,
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I haven't really been able
to live a queer life.
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You know, the internalised
shame or the, kind of,
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homophobia's slightly there still.
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When you are in this job or when
you are famous, or something,
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it stunts a lot of things.
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I never really was in the community.
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Like yes, I, kind, of came out,
but then, afterwards,
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I never went to Pride.
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I never went to these parties.
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I never met all of these people
and, like, I didn't really
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develop my queerness.
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So, I think I'm just coming
to it all very late.
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Does that make sense? Cool.
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Ahem.
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Well, no time like the present.
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I'm diving straight in at
the deep end, headfirst.
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I don't know where I expected
this journey to begin,
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but it wasn't slap-bang
in the middle of the desert.
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Palm Springs. What do I know
about Palm Springs?
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It's hot. It's a desert.
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This is a place where
old people go to die.
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Joking! That was a joke.
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It's hot. It's so hot.
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No wonder...what?
Why do people come here?
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It's so hot!
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Well, apparently if you're LGBTQ+,
this is the place for us.
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Once a desert hang-out
for the 1960s Hollywood Rat Pack,
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Palm Springs is now one of the most
progressive towns in America -
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and the first to have an
all-LGBTQ+ council.
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So, it's a good place
to dip my toe in the water -
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at the uniquely massive mother
of all lady-loving events.
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I'm checking in, please.
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Yeah, of course, and what's
the last name? Delevingne.
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D-E-L-E-V-I-N-G-N-E...
it's hard to spell.
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Yes, it's true -
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I still never have been to Pride,
or anything like that.
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I think I went the wrong way.
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Here it comes - my very first
proper, big lesbian day out.
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Bloody Nora.
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So...do you come here often?
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So scared...scared.
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I'm a Cancer, and I like
long walks on the beach.
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So do I. With you.
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OK, deep breath.
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Don't really know what to expect.
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Go round, go round.
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Abort, abort, abort mission.
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How intense can it be?
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This is the Dinah Shore weekend -
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the biggest lesbian
pool party in the world!
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15,000 women, trans, and nonbinary
folk out here in the desert
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unleashing their true
sexual selves at a rare place
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that all can feel safe and free.
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You're coming in, and you just see
an ocean of women and titties,
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and glitter, and pasties.
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A lot of dancing, a lot of
twerking, a lot of making out,
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a lot of happy times.
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Different body types,
different ethnicities,
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I just love it.
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It's like Disneyland for lesbians.
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It's clear I won't survive
unless I find friends ASAP.
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Hi!
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Luckily, I got me some neighbours -
Kimber and - Lily to hold my hand.
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All right, "Dinah" on three.
One, two, three...
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Any hope I had of staying under
the radar goes way out the window...
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..as I'm hauled up on stage to
judge a twerking contest.
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How is this my job?
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Nice crowd. Loving the crowd's
vibe today, loving the vibe!
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CROWD CHEERS
Loving you all!
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This place is wild - and loud -
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so you're going to have
to read the next bit.
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Honestly, I feel accepted as myself.
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Perhaps for the very first time.
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What just happened?
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What didn't happen?
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I don't know. I think,
I guess I...I don't know.
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I'm out and I'm proud, you know,
to a certain extent,
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but in my own life,
I didn't really find the community,
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and I didn't really speak, like,
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experience these sort of
things, you know?
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I, kind of, did it in a public eye,
which again, allowed myself to be,
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you know, pointed fingers at,
or feel more of the hate than,
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I guess, the love, I suppose.
So, it's a lot.
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There's so much love
in there, you know?
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Oh, God, this is the journey,
this is the discovery of...
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I don't know. Yeah.
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Like, I feel this is - it gives me
like, I'm feeling things.
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I don't usually do that.
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It's Kimber's first time
at the festival, too.
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I wish that I could go back
to myself back when I was younger,
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and just, kind of,
figuring out my sexuality.
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And I wish I could show myself
what my life is today.
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I grew up in Tennessee in a
very conservative family,
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very religious,
and being gay was just, like,
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absolutely not acceptable.
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Here I am, erm, all these years
later, and I have an unbelievable
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queer community around me.
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It's just so important
to not feel alone.
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And I feel like a lot of queer
people feel alone in that.
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And you're not going
to feel alone here.
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Where we live, it's a little -
there's not very many places.
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OFF CAMERA: Like, do you walk
down the street holding hands?
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Er, probably not.
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It's amazing for me, especially,
like, I didn't come out until,
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like, later in life so...
I'm an old, I'm an old per...
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Old lesbian.
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So, yeah, for me, like, it's, erm...
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It just feels, like, very less,
I don't know, stressful.
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Like, I don't feel like
I need to hold back.
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I'm just - I'm pretty
much me everywhere,
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But here, it's just a little extra,
like, just total...
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SHE SNIFFLES
It's emotional.
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Yeah.
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So.
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She's having a good time.
That's all that matters.
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Sorry.
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It's incredible to be free
just for a few hours.
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It feels like a weight
has been lifted.
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Yes?
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Thank you!
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THEY CHEER
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Whoo! Yeah!
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I now have gay friends.
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OFF CAMERA: What have you learned?
So, wait, I'm confused.
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Gig, pass me back, that I need it.
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OK, so what have
I learned about myself?
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I love being queer.
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I just didn't realise until now
how reassuring it is to be
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in this safe space with people
who share the same feelings as me.
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But I still have a lot to learn.
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Bears have a flag? I love that!
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There are loads of queer
identities to explore.
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Isn't she chic, darling?
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With all these different
types of sexual orientation,
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even the LGBTQ+ community
can get confused.
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So, you don't know the difference
between your As, Bis, and pans?
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Don't worry, I'll call a doctor.
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Dr Ronx is an ER medic,
queer activist, and educator.
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They'll help me
straighten it all out.
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Well not straight-straight...
look, you know what I mean.
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I love your trainers, babe.
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I want the quickfire highlights
of a very complex subject -
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sexual orientation!
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OK, let's go, let's go, let's go.
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Lesbian.
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A lesbian is a woman who is
attracted to another woman.
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Gay.
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Basically, men who sleep with,
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or who are romantically
attracted to other men.
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Also can be extended to women
who are attracted to women.
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Bisexual.
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I guess traditionally, bisexual
people fancy men and women.
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Pansexual.
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People who are attracted
to other people,
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regardless of their gender identity.
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Asexual.
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People who are not sexually
attracted to other individuals.
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Queer!
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For me, it's anybody
who is not heterosexual.
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I think it has to be that simple.
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OK, so we've got to grips with
just a few of the bazillion
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sexual identities out there.
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But for me, there's one big
question hanging over it all.
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Was I born this way?
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What is it that shapes our
sexual orientation?
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Is it nature or nurture?
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Gerulf Rieger has studied
this subject for years.
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Think about it like this.
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The majority of us are straight.
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We need our sexual orientation
to create babies
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and continue to thrive as a species.
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So, the idea that the social
environment has such profound
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influences on something so important
to us just doesn't make any sense.
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Gerulf thinks our sexual
orientation is innate and set
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before we're even born.
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Hello, hello, hello.
How is everybody doing today?
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He believes there's no one factor
that decides our sexual orientation.
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Just a big biological cocktail that
shapes a spectrum of sexualities.
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First up, it's partly down
to your genes.
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If you look at identical twins,
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which are genetically literally
identical, if one is gay,
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the chance that the other one
is gay is much, much higher.
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If one twin is gay, there's
a 24% chance their identical
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sibling will be, too.
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But in nonidentical twin pairs,
if one is gay, there's just
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a 15% chance their sibling
will share their sexuality.
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Conclusion - genes play a part,
but they're not everything.
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In fact, the latest research on
half a million people showed that
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genes only account for up
to 25% of the whole
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"what makes us gay" business?
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So, what's next, Gerulf?
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Well, he believes it's also hormones
we're exposed to in the womb.
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One in particular.
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So, we do think that testosterone
has a huge impact on
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our sexual orientation.
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But if you take newly-born rats and
you inject them with testosterone,
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if they're female, then you can
almost perfectly turn them around
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in their behaviour, including the
fact that this female now wants
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to mate with other females.
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So, it's definitely a girl.
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Perfect.
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Lastly, he thinks
antibodies play a part.
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Females who've had boy babies
before are programmed to produce
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these fighty immune system
proteins against you men.
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When the mother is pregnant
for the first time with a son,
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she actually gets exposed to
male typical proteins,
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which is something that
her own body isn't used to.
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These antibodies stay in
the mother's system.
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And if she's pregnant again
with a second son, erm,
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those antibodies are waiting.
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There's a certain chance that
they attack tissue around his brain,
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and could therefore disrupt
the regular development
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of his sexual orientation.
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That could be why the more
older brothers you have,
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the more likely you are to be gay.
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So, look, this is all
very interesting,
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but what does it add up to?
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When it comes to the question
of how innate is somebody's
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sexual orientation,
my educated guess is probably 100%.
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It's something that really comes
from within the person.
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What exactly are the ingredients?
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That's the million-dollar question.
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You can pack that judginess away,
thank you very much.
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Sexuality isn't a choice.
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For me, it's hugely reassuring
to hear, to be honest.
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I was born this way.
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What way? Well,
kind of all the ways.
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Oh!
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Sexuality is definitely a spectrum,
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and I feel like mine waivers.
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But also, I'm probably definitely
more on the side of women.
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But I don't - I like having sex
with men, I just don't date them.
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I might, though, you never know.
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But again, I think
it's a beautiful, unwavering,
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wavering, beautiful...
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..moo.
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It feels like,
over the last few years,
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there's been a new kind of openness
and acceptance of this spectrum
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by young people.
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And I really wish
I could've been a part of it.
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Today, only 54%
of UK Gen Z'ers identify
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as exclusively heterosexual.
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Welcome!
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But the big change
seems to be amongst women.
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In 2011, 77% of US
university-age women were
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exclusively attracted to men.
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Yet, by 2019, that fell to 65%.
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But, guys, your numbers
have stayed constant -
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with 85% of you totally straight...
apparently.
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It seems like,
particularly for women,
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working out your sexual identity
isn't always straightforward.
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And that might be because,
when it comes to who we find sexy,
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our bodies and minds aren't
always on the same page.
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Dr Marieke Dewitte is
an expert on sexual arousal.
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Are you Flemish? Yeah, I'm Flemish.
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I'm Flemish! A fellow Flem. Yeah.
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And I've signed up to her sex lab
to dig deeper into what turns us on.
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By watching porn!
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All in the name of science,
mind you.
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The watching porn part is going
to be the really hard part, I think.
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Yeah, probably. Yeah, who wouldn't
be excited by watching
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a whole lot of porn today?
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Come in, and welcome to our sex lab.
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So, what we'll do is we are going
to present several video clips.
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Do you know what
I just thought about?
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My parents watching this.
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OK, well, maybe you should've
thought about that before.
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Try to ignore it.
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The main thing is actually
what you need to do is just sit,
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relax, and try not to touch
yourself and sit still.
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Try not to... Try not to.
I can contain myself.
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Not touch yourself, and just watch.
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Yeah? OK, perfect.
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Have fun, Cara. I will.
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Yeah, definitely. I will try.
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Fuck.
SHE CHUCKLES
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I'm sorry, this is what?
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And it goes where?!
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Basically, when you get
sexually aroused, more blood
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is being pumped into your vagina.
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And therefore, the colour
of your vaginal wall changes.
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And this device measures the amount
of blood in your vaginal cavity.
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Can I ask a question? Sure.
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Can you read my mind
through my vagina?
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No.
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It's going in...now.
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Great.
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Jesus.
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Can you guys see that it's in?
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I can see your signal.
Oh, my God, my signal?!
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The fuck is happening?
I can see your vaginal pulse, yes.
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Great! I love that for us.
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OK, try not to think
about my parents.
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Or about the camera
12 inches from my face.
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My frankly ridiculous task is
to watch different kinds of porn.
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While Marieke's monitor records
how aroused my genitals are,
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I rate my subjective arousal,
what I'm thinking,
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on a sliding scale from
completely ice-cold to smoking hot.
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OK, fire it up!
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First, two guys shagging each other.
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I can feel my breath shortening,
or whatever crap.
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We can see that there is
at least something happening.
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The peaks are closer to each other.
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Then, lesbian sex.
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Yeah, OK.
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My body feels, like,
that shivery feeling again.
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Great.
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Weird. This is strange.
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Just had a real big influx
of horniness, and then,
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a real big influx of shame.
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How bad is that still? Why?
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Now there seem to be
a little bit more peaks.
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Straight sex.
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SHE LAUGHS
He's not very good at this.
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There's men masturbating.
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I'm less horny than I thought I was.
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Oh, Lord. Her body is reacting
here to the gay porn.
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You can see the peaks going up.
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Women masturbating.
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This seems uncomfortable.
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It's those fake nails, bro!
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You are going to say something
different, aren't you, vagina?
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And then, a surprise little bonus
clip of some hairy monkey sex.
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OK, this is properly weird now.
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Oh, my God, what's it doing?!
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It's called oral sex.
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This is wild. Literally.
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An hour later, that's it, I'm done.
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I don't even know
how to feel any more.
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So, there she is. How was it?
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Do I look traumatised? Not at all.
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Did you find it traumatising?
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No. Maybe.
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But what the F does this all mean
when it comes to sexual arousal?
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What did we learn? What did you see?
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So, the moment there was
something sexual,
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you had this automatic
genital arousal response.
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You've learned this is sexual,
so you react.
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So, it sounds like
my genitals find everything -
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human and animal - sexy.
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But is this to be expected?
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Your response actually matched with
what we saw in previous research -
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that the genital arousal response
of women is rather nonspecific.
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It kind of shows that for women,
it's sexual activity that matters.
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It says nothing about your sexual
orientation or sexual identity.
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Cos also, matters of the genitals
are not matters of the heart.
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So sometimes, women who do not,
kind of, identify as being lesbian,
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they get turned on by the woman,
and it's like,
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"Oh, oh, my God, is this" -
they get confused.
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Women get aroused by
different stimuli.
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So, it's not some secret
lust for monkeys,
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but a primal evolutionary response.
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Surprisingly, women's genitals
react to a wide range of sexual
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activity that has little to do
with their sexual orientation.
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But our minds? Well, that's a
completely different story.
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Your subjective sexual arousal
clearly differ depending on
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the type of porn you were watching.
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And what we saw in your pattern,
it seems that especially the lesbian
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porn in specific really turned you
on, in terms of subjective arousal.
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Does it match your sexual
orientation? For sure.
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Do you feel more attracted to women?
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And so, generally, I think women
are my preferred gender, I suppose.
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How you feel, the mental component -
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we see that in women,
it's a bit more specific,
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that what really turns you on is,
kind of, a little bit more tied
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to what you also prefer.
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My mind is much more in sync
with my own sexual orientation -
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but men only react physically to the
stuff that turns them on mentally.
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So, men actually only respond
to stimuli that match
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their sexual orientation.
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For men, when they don't like it,
they don't get an erection.
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So then, nothing is
possible any more.
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So, in a nutshell, both our bodies
and minds feed into this thing
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we call sexual orientation.
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And Marieke's experiment
may show why women appear more
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sexually fluid than men.
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Crucially, none of it's a choice -
and for me, that's a relief.
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I think it's also asking yourself,
or thinking whatever you're doing,
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however you're feeling is
not natural. Exactly.
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Always what I would think,
growing up with a lot of shame,
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is thinking, "This isn't normal,
this isn't human" -
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but it's like, it is.
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Yeah, I mean at this point...
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Yeah, that's what it
always comes back to.
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The shame.
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The pressure from society
and the world around me.
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Shame doesn't change your innate
sexual orientation,
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but it sure does affect how you
feel about your sexual identity
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when you're not straight.
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In the UK, male same-sex
relationships were decriminalised
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55 years ago.
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But laws banning talking about
gay love in schools -
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the infamous Section 28 -
were only lifted when I was 11.
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Growing up, the messaging
was loud and clear.
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I couldn't talk to anyone about it,
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and I definitely had a lot of, like,
internalised homophobia and shame.
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I thought that I was,
like, abnormal.
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Everyone else was right
and I was wrong,
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cos I wasn't like everyone else.
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I thought about ending my life,
like, I had multiple times.
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And, like, I'm so glad I didn't
because if I can help any other kid,
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then that means the world to me.
457
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That means the world
to that little queer kid...
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..that I was - or am.
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I know I shouldn't feel shame.
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00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:37,480
But I truly believe there are
souls all over the world like me,
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battling internalised homophobia,
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feeling lost and alienated.
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I want to meet people
who can help me move on
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and accept myself for who I am.
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Come on, take me somewhere fucking
cool and sort me out, people!
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00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:03,640
Here's what I love about Tokyo.
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A busy modern city - and yet,
bang in the middle of it,
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ancient traditional
scenes like this.
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This land of contrast is
the only country in the G7
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that doesn't officially recognise
same-sex unions.
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And when tradition and religion is
deeply embedded in your family life,
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growing up gay can be a scary thing.
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And this is the ceremony hall.
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Kodo Nishimura grew up right here,
in this Buddhist temple.
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It's like a wedding is ceremony.
I know, look!
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I feel like we could be married.
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00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:48,760
We have shared beliefs.
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00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:54,520
Even as a child, Kodo felt different
from all the other kids.
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I noticed that I shouldn't talk
about my interest in boys publicly,
480
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because most of the time,
homosexual people were portrayed
481
00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:09,480
as villains or creepy in animes
for children.
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00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:13,320
I was constantly feeling like
there was a huge black cloud
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above my head.
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00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:18,800
Kodo feared that his religion
would never accept him.
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00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:24,880
So, I was really rebellious and...
486
00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:28,240
Yeah, I really didn't want to be
associated with Buddhism.
487
00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:32,920
He needed to find community in
a place that understood who he was.
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00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:35,960
Moving to the US was such
a liberation for me.
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I kept seeing LGBTQ
Pride parades or TV shows,
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and male clerks selling make-up,
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and I saw somebody who are like me,
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struggling with similar situations,
thriving.
493
00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:54,480
So, to see these representation
really helped me
494
00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:56,720
to reset my normal.
495
00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:02,360
But as time went on,
496
00:27:02,360 --> 00:27:06,720
Kodo felt the pull of the
old family tradition of Buddhism.
497
00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:10,200
I had questions, like,
what happens if I die?
498
00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:11,680
Or why do we have to be good people?
499
00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:16,080
Right. I felt that, well,
I don't like Buddhism,
500
00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:22,520
but I should face what it's like
and see how I can evolve.
501
00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:27,080
In 2013, he returned to train as
a monk, apprehensive about
502
00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:29,520
whether he'd ever fit in.
503
00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:32,480
What I discovered was surprising.
504
00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:36,200
When I was talking to
a master about my sexuality,
505
00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:39,800
he said that Buddhism
is very embracive.
506
00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:43,600
It says, "The mercy of Buddha
is just like the moonlight".
507
00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:47,880
We can prioritise our uniquenesses
and shine in our own colour.
508
00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:51,600
I felt that I was really protected.
509
00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:56,520
And because I got this teaching,
I felt that it is my responsibility
510
00:27:56,520 --> 00:28:00,280
to spread this message of
equality in Buddhism
511
00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:02,840
to people in the world.
512
00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:05,720
The sense of community
he was searching for
513
00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:08,720
had been in Japan all along.
514
00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:10,800
Here we go. Oh, my gosh!
515
00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:12,680
Wonderful style of shirt.
516
00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:14,960
Oh, my God, I'm obsessed!
517
00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:20,320
I think the courage to speak up
is actually cooler than
518
00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:23,000
pretending to be perfect.
Yes. I completely agree with you.
519
00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:26,320
So, yeah, so I will...
High five to that.
520
00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:29,280
So now, I'm going to
transform and...
521
00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:31,440
Transform away. I will leave you.
522
00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:33,400
I will love you and leave you.
OK, cool.
523
00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:38,360
Today, Kodo is a celebrity
in his homeland,
524
00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:42,800
using his skills as an author,
activist, and make-up artist
525
00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:44,800
to spread the message of harmony.
526
00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:49,040
I think what I find
so inspiring about him
527
00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:51,080
is that just by being visible,
528
00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:53,840
he's changing society around him.
529
00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:57,560
Yes, gorgina!
530
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:03,600
Oh, my God, you look amazing.
Thank you.
531
00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:06,840
What would you like for the future,
and for the future of Japan?
532
00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:10,520
If I can inspire leaders of
the world, also religious leaders
533
00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:15,600
to lift the laws against LGBTQ
people, that would be wonderful.
534
00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:18,560
Because we have to be safe to be us.
535
00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:20,200
And we're not going anywhere.
536
00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:26,600
What an incredibly strong,
but also wise person he is.
537
00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:30,000
No matter how much the traditional
side has probably stopped him
538
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:32,160
from wanting to be the certain way,
539
00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:34,360
his heart and his light
have shone through.
540
00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:35,920
I've just learned a lot from him.
541
00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:39,240
Being happy in yourself, within
yourself gives you the resources
542
00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:40,920
to be able to help other people.
543
00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:43,240
And that's what is
most important in the world.
544
00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:44,880
Thank you.
545
00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:50,920
Kodo got his happy ever-after
returning home to a warm welcome.
546
00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:54,120
It's the coming-out story
everyone dreams of.
547
00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:56,400
And I guess me, too.
548
00:29:56,400 --> 00:30:01,320
But the truth is, so many people
don't get to go home. Ever.
549
00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:08,200
I want to meet those brave
people who've travelled
550
00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:12,240
across the world to live
an out, queer, proud life.
551
00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:18,080
Where's a force of nature
when you need one?
552
00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:21,720
Sound check.
BUBBLE GUM POPS
553
00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:24,240
My name is The Darvish,
554
00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:29,560
and I am a Syrian
performance artist,
555
00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:33,120
a event organiser,
community changer,
556
00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:35,880
and an LGBTQIA+ rights advocate.
557
00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:39,680
And, erm, I consider myself
a force of nature.
558
00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:42,880
Hello. Hello, my love.
559
00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:45,120
My man, indeed! Hi, my love,
560
00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:49,640
Oh, my goodness. My man!
Hello there. Hi. How are you?
561
00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:57,200
I realised when I'm queer
probably in the age of 14.
562
00:30:57,200 --> 00:30:59,360
Up and straight, then you drop it.
563
00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:00,640
One and two.
564
00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:05,720
And then, the journey started
of me immediately realising that
565
00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:09,160
this is a taboo in the country
that I am in right now.
566
00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:14,040
And that it is dangerous for me
to, you know, own it.
567
00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:20,160
So, yeah, started, er, living
more carefully and cautiously
568
00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:22,400
LAUGHTER
but gracefully.
569
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:27,280
Yeah, use the hand, OK!
570
00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:29,400
She's getting it! OK.
571
00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:34,680
Same-sex relationships in Syria are
punishable by three years in prison.
572
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:37,400
But when Isis overtook
parts of Syria,
573
00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:42,360
this situation became even
more desperate for LGBTQ+ people.
574
00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:44,640
And The Darvish had
to make a choice.
575
00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:46,440
The war got really serious.
576
00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:50,040
Persecutions and executions,
and stuff like that.
577
00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:52,040
That's where it really hit us.
578
00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:54,440
We cannot be visible at all.
579
00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:59,600
The decision of me leaving Syria,
that was the hardest thing.
580
00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:01,880
Choosing my life.
581
00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:07,440
And...
582
00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:11,120
Yeah.
583
00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:12,560
One second.
584
00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:18,280
For The Darvish, their imagination
became their refuge.
585
00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:24,960
I focused on imagining
how my life would be.
586
00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:27,800
You can be you...
587
00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:29,520
..free.
588
00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:33,640
The Darvish has now been safe
in Berlin for six years.
589
00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:39,040
The minute I arrived here,
I was able to let go of everything.
590
00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:43,280
Yeah. Start the journey
of self-discoveration,
591
00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:44,840
and what a journey.
592
00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:50,440
Your mum, she understood,
though, you leaving? Or not?
593
00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:52,360
Well, she didn't want to.
594
00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:53,920
She didn't want to understand.
595
00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:57,200
It was very hard for her, for me
to leave, but I think I made
596
00:32:57,200 --> 00:33:05,080
my point very clear that if I stay,
there's no future for me.
597
00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:07,320
Yeah. You know?
598
00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:10,400
It got too dark, right?
599
00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:12,120
I don't like it. Oh, no.
600
00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:15,080
THEY LAUGH
I thought you meant life.
601
00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:21,400
The Darvish was supported
by their community
602
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:23,320
when they arrived in Germany,
603
00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:24,960
and now they're giving back.
604
00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:29,400
Tonight, they'll be performing
with their collective called
605
00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:32,600
Queens Against Borders, working
for trans and queer refugees.
606
00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:35,960
Hello, hello, hello, hello!
607
00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:38,400
CHEERING
608
00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:43,400
Woohoo! Oh, OK!
609
00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:45,960
Thank you so much, everyone,
for being here with us
610
00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:47,360
tonight in this fundraiser.
611
00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:49,760
We're very, very glad
that you're here.
612
00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:51,440
Whoo, whoo, whoo!
613
00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:54,000
Yes!
614
00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:56,840
Whoo!
615
00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:04,680
Finding and building a community
anywhere in the world,
616
00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:08,160
whatever community it is,
is super vital.
617
00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:21,160
The community that I have built
brought to me everything
618
00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:24,880
that I could ever imagine,
which is me being me.
619
00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:37,720
Please put your hands together,
for the gorgeous, the stunning,
620
00:34:37,720 --> 00:34:41,200
the beautiful,
the one and only The Darvish!
621
00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:43,840
CHEERING
622
00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:46,440
ETHEREAL MUSIC PLAYS
623
00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:52,360
THROBBING DANCE MUSIC
624
00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:54,560
CHEERING CONTINUES
625
00:34:55,880 --> 00:35:02,760
I choose my dance and my passion,
my performances to say something.
626
00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:07,120
I am trying my best to have
the visibility here in order later
627
00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:09,360
to mobilise it there in Syria.
628
00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:16,880
I'm beginning to understand what
I've been missing by not being
629
00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:18,400
more active like The Darvish.
630
00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:24,720
By expressing their true selves,
they manage to shed the shame.
631
00:35:26,240 --> 00:35:29,560
Look, my struggle's nothing
compared to The Darvish.
632
00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:33,600
But they have given me
so much to think about.
633
00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:36,840
I don't really go to gay bars.
I mean, I'm a shit gay person.
634
00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:40,000
Also because I think that comes
from a deep line of, like,
635
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:42,200
not really wanting to
be gay that much.
636
00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:45,520
With every story, there's been...
637
00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:50,000
It's been plagued with some,
sort of, element of heartbreak,
638
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:54,000
but then, some massive amount
of joy, you know?
639
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:56,440
And that's the magic
of queer people.
640
00:35:59,880 --> 00:36:04,280
All over the world, there are
communities of LGBTQ+ people
641
00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:07,160
creating islands of hope.
642
00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:10,320
And perhaps none more so
than in South Africa.
643
00:36:11,720 --> 00:36:16,200
In 1996, the new constitution
was the first in the world
644
00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:20,200
to outlaw discrimination on
the basis of sexual orientation.
645
00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:24,920
And the country was fifth in the
world to legalise same-sex marriage
646
00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:28,160
in a continent where
no other country has.
647
00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:33,920
No wonder South Africa is
a haven for LGBTQ+ refugees.
648
00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:38,160
In Johannesburg a support
group at the, well,
649
00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:41,720
perhaps surprising location
of the Holy Trinity Catholic Church
650
00:36:41,720 --> 00:36:43,720
brings them together.
651
00:36:43,720 --> 00:36:47,600
My name is Victor Motlasa.
652
00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:51,000
I was born in Lesotho,
I'm 24 years old.
653
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:55,200
I stopped going to church because I
was facing a lot of discrimination,
654
00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:56,600
a lot of hate.
655
00:36:56,600 --> 00:36:59,880
You, as a flamboyant gay man,
in coming into South Africa,
656
00:36:59,880 --> 00:37:01,240
was there a change?
657
00:37:01,240 --> 00:37:04,160
Coming to South Africa,
I think it was a blessing
658
00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:05,960
because you got to be yourself.
659
00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:08,160
You got to express yourself
the way you want.
660
00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:10,960
I couldn't even wear a crop top
in Lesotho, or like, why,
661
00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:12,760
why would I do that, or a short?
662
00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:16,680
Because I have to - they have
an ideal man that you have to be,
663
00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:18,400
you have to dress like this.
664
00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:20,440
You have to walk like this person.
665
00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:25,080
You have to go play soccer, or you
have to go look after the cows.
666
00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:28,880
Imagine, imagine!
THEY LAUGH
667
00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:31,800
Every morning, every morning,
I will have to be here.
668
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:33,320
I will have to go...
669
00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:38,160
I find a group, like, as a family
because I think they provide
670
00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:42,640
a safe space where you can
literally talk about your problem.
671
00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:52,800
Today, an estimated 634,000
identify as LGBTQ+ in South Africa.
672
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:56,080
In communities like these,
to quote The Darvish,
673
00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:59,160
people can be themselves - free.
674
00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:01,240
And you kiss and kiss,
and kiss up until...
675
00:38:01,240 --> 00:38:03,600
Kiss another boy.
Kiss another boys, have fun.
676
00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:08,720
If we get, like, spaces where we can
enjoy as the queer community,
677
00:38:08,720 --> 00:38:13,040
like, we get to feel
that love within ourselves.
678
00:38:18,240 --> 00:38:22,120
Spaces like this are definitely
important because, I don't know,
679
00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:25,480
I just feel so much more me.
680
00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:30,080
Well, I'm a homosexual, very gay,
over-the-top,
681
00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:33,040
extremely flamboyant.
682
00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:35,320
We want to get married
and just settle down,
683
00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:36,920
and just live a beautiful life.
684
00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:41,400
And have fur babies, cos
I don't want, like, actual ones.
685
00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:44,680
Every one of these people has been
brave enough to put themselves
686
00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:48,960
out there, despite all
the challenged they've faced.
687
00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:50,520
So, what about me?
688
00:38:50,520 --> 00:38:53,000
I may have been open about
being into women,
689
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:56,360
but boy, have I missed out
on a bigger picture.
690
00:38:57,640 --> 00:39:00,680
A life-affirming queer community.
691
00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:06,440
It's all been a very interesting
journey of meeting wonderful people,
692
00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:11,280
you know, plagued with quite
horrible circumstances sometimes.
693
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:18,240
It's just made me really want to be
louder about what I believe in.
694
00:39:18,240 --> 00:39:19,600
Moshi, moshi!
695
00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:23,280
But what do I do, really?
696
00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:26,560
How can I stand up
and fight for my community,
697
00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:30,440
and live that true proud, out life?
698
00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:33,240
Well, there's one
small thing I can do.
699
00:39:33,240 --> 00:39:34,800
I can show up.
700
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:38,280
It's time to stop hiding and
do what I said at the start
701
00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:40,640
that I've never done before.
702
00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:44,480
Yes, at last, I'm going to go
to freaking Pride!
703
00:39:46,240 --> 00:39:48,680
I want that outfit!
You look amazing!
704
00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:53,480
Darling, look at those model faces.
705
00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:55,120
The fame, the fame!
706
00:39:55,120 --> 00:39:57,200
Do you mind if I interview you?
707
00:39:57,200 --> 00:40:00,840
I would love to interview you,
as well! I can do that. OK, good.
708
00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:04,600
I've never been to Pride before,
so this is my first Pride.
709
00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:05,880
I've been out for a while.
710
00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:07,960
But, yeah, happy Pride.
Happy Pride!
711
00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:10,120
Tell me about your experience
as drag queens.
712
00:40:10,120 --> 00:40:12,240
Like, how old you were
when you discovered...?
713
00:40:12,240 --> 00:40:15,920
But we're still only 15.
Yeah, exactly, me too!
714
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:18,480
I'm 12. Me too. I'm 12.
No, you aren't.
715
00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:21,880
When did you come out? 26-7.
716
00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:25,320
THEY LAUGH
Don't ask me how old I am.
717
00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:27,760
I wouldn't ask a lady that question!
718
00:40:29,040 --> 00:40:31,400
The last ten years,
I think, changing a lot.
719
00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:32,680
It's changing a lot.
720
00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:35,280
But now, marriage, family, kids -
it's on the table.
721
00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:38,680
It's all possible.
Yeah, it's possible.
722
00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:42,920
The first Pride was held
in New York in 1970.
723
00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:47,280
But Tokyo didn't see
a parade until 1994.
724
00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:51,600
And just like in New York,
it began as a political protest.
725
00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:54,880
Until the late 2000s,
some marchers disguised themselves
726
00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:57,400
with masks and shades.
727
00:40:57,400 --> 00:41:00,800
But this year,
there were 66,000 people,
728
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:02,680
and the only masks were...
729
00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:04,320
Well, you know why.
730
00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:06,080
Thank you. Happy Pride! Happy Pride.
731
00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:10,840
It's emotional for me a little bit,
cos I think when you're queer and
732
00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:13,880
you spend so much time
being quiet and being silenced,
733
00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:16,600
Pride allows a space for people
to come and feel safe
734
00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:19,480
showing who they really are,
being able to be loud.
735
00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:20,920
Oh, my God!
736
00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:27,320
Here, the weather might be gloomy -
but there are rainbows galore.
737
00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:29,240
And I've just seen a familiar face.
738
00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:32,880
Hello again! Hi.
739
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:34,200
Oh, my God! Hi, sorry.
740
00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:35,920
How are you? Hi, how are you?
741
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:38,320
Oh... This is amazing, yeah!
742
00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:43,240
Yesterday, I saw two men holding
hands for the first time in my life,
743
00:41:43,240 --> 00:41:45,240
in Shibuya, and I was like...
Oh, my gosh!
744
00:41:45,240 --> 00:41:49,040
Anybody who sees them would
be like, "Oh, this is..."
745
00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:50,840
This is normal, it's not weird.
746
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:57,160
What Pride has taught me is
in so many places in the world,
747
00:41:57,160 --> 00:42:00,200
you can find a queer community.
748
00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:03,240
And many of us have been
on similar journeys.
749
00:42:03,240 --> 00:42:05,560
There's strength in numbers,
750
00:42:05,560 --> 00:42:09,040
but individuals
can make a difference.
751
00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:13,480
I've met them, and they've
inspired me to say goodbye
752
00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:16,080
to that shame once and for all.
753
00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:22,040
I feel so much more comfortable,
and I feel very proud.
754
00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:24,160
I mean it, not just
because it was Pride.
755
00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:25,760
It's not like it's changed me.
756
00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:28,240
It's not like it's, erm,
made me someone else,
757
00:42:28,240 --> 00:42:30,160
or I've discovered new
elements of myself.
758
00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:32,720
It's just me being able to be
myself in these situations.
759
00:42:32,720 --> 00:42:34,440
It's just been a real revelation.
760
00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:40,600
I just want to keep being in
this Planet Sex-mode.
761
00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:43,760
Meeting people from around
the world, connecting, listening
762
00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:46,680
to people's stories, trying
to imagine their situation,
763
00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:50,280
trying to understand and, through
that, understand more about myself,
764
00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:52,400
and hopefully ignite
or inspire others
765
00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:54,080
to have similar conversations.
766
00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:56,720
I've just never done anything
so personal.
767
00:42:59,880 --> 00:43:02,680
It just makes me realise
what's important, and how much
768
00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:05,360
more active I want to be,
in terms of trying to make
769
00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:07,840
some sort of small difference.
770
00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:10,120
Any difference is still
better than nothing.
771
00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:12,160
OK, now what? I'm sad!
772
00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:15,000
Is it over? Is it over?
773
00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:17,240
It's never over.
Pride is never over.
774
00:43:17,240 --> 00:43:18,440
Coming out.
775
00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:20,320
It was just a really
beautiful experience,
776
00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:21,560
and I'm so grateful for it.
777
00:43:21,560 --> 00:43:25,160
Oh, don't, I'm going to get
fucking emotional. I hate emotions!
778
00:43:25,160 --> 00:43:27,760
What do you want? Just say "cut"!
779
00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:30,080
SHE LAUGHS
Just...
99533
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