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Subs created by: David Coleman.
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If there was ever a place that there
would be paranormal activity,
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it would be Fox Hollow Farm.
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[Resounding boom]
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If investigators are right, Herbert
Baumeister, a Hamilton County businessman,
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was a serial killer.
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I am the biggest skeptic.
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[Camera clicks]
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[Electricity crackling]
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[Yelps]
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But it felt like someone was there.
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I saw someone.
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There's stuff going on
that I can't explain.
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[Doorknob rattling]
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Who is there?
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[Wood splintering]
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I had the sensation to run.
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[Dog barking]
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I was running for my life.
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[Blade scraping]
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True fear.
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True panic.
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[Wails]
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I was scared to death.
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[Screams]
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[Eerie whooshing]
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[Birds chirping]
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[Wind chimes ringing]
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[Haunting music]
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44212.
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[Murmurs indistinctly]
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Getting close.
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[Blinker ticking]
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Oh, yes. There's the sign.
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- Yeah. Oh, good, good, good.
- Okay, we're here.
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In 2006, we decided we needed more space.
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Hi, there, are you here
for Fox Hollow Farm?
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Ah, yeah. Rob Graves.
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Everyone loves a good deal.
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And on outwards appearance,
it was a great deal...
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And it was a steal, actually.
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I really wanted a change from city life
and from having neighbors close by...
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Somewhere we could just be ourselves.
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My goodness. Is that the house?
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The first time that we saw the
house, it was very impressive.
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Just the way that the property is laid
out and the architecture of the home,
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it's just... it's beautiful.
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And here we have an 800-square-foot room.
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Great place for entertaining your guests.
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Wow.
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It was breathtaking.
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You walk into the home, you walk
into the living room, and...
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You want to stay.
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Another feature that the house
had was a swimming pool.
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It's a large swimming pool, 18x36 feet.
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I was thinking, wow I can't
believe that you could actually
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buy a home that you have a
swimming pool in your basement.
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It's like, how cool is that?
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So you guys follow me, and
I'll show you the rest.
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Fox Hollow Farm is a beautiful house.
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It's in a very desirable location.
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It's a desirable property,
but no one's living here.
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You just start to ask yourself, what...
what's going on?
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[Eerie whooshing noises]
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[Haunting music]
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[Sighs]
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It started to dawn on me that...
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This might be a property
that I had remembered,
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hearing about in the local
news some time ago.
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Oh, uh, this place...
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So I asked the realtor, is this in fact
the place where Herb Baumeister lived?
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He said, yes, that's why
it was such a good deal.
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[Electronic beep]
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It took years to unravel the mystery,
but investigators say they now know
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who killed nine young men, ages 16 to 30.
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A small army of investigators blanketed
the normally tranquil Fox Hollow Farm.
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After detectives dug up the remains of
seven men buried on the wooded estate.
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The feeling of everybody right now is
that one person did all these crimes.
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And that person is...
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Herb Baumeister.
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Want to go out to see the grounds?
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Uh, yeah, sure.
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This is Herb Baumeister's house.
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Vicki and I walked away and just
talked amongst ourselves for a moment.
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And I said, could you live here?
Would it bother you?
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And initially, she said, I don't know.
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See, there's the apartment
above the barn, uh...
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It's really big.
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I'm a medical laboratory scientist, so I
worked in a hospital all of my career.
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[Men speaking indistinctly]
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Death and dying is part of living.
It's part of life.
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But when you go into a home where you
know people have lost their lives,
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you just feel kind of different.
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[Door rattling open]
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[Wood creaking]
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[Wind whistling]
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- Honey?
- Oh!
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Oh, sorry. Wow.
It's dark in here, huh? Come on.
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Rob and I talked about
the impact on our family
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from living in a home, you know, that
had once been owned by a serial killer.
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A lot of people live in homes
where people have passed away,
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and they may not even know
it when they buy the home.
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You know, at least we
knew this going into it.
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Whoa!
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[Laughter]
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- All right.
- Ah.
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Boys!
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Come for dinner!
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Coming!
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[Swing creaking]
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[Water splashing softly]
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We have two teenage boys
that love to use the pool.
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There was a lot of gravel
that had been tracked in,
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and I thought, I really
need to vacuum this.
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[Clicking]
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[Vacuum whirring]
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I'm starting to suck up some gravel.
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[Whirring slows, stops]
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All of a sudden, the vacuum turns off.
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It's like, oh, great. I pulled it.
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You know, I've unplugged it
from the extension cord.
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So I plug it back in.
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[Click] [Whirring resumes]
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[Whirring slows, stops]
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And the vacuum turns off again.
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So I stand up. I look.
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And this time, the cord's pulled apart,
and it's about 12 inches apart,
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and they're just laying there.
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And I'm thinking to myself,
this is really odd.
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Because I know that I didn't pull it apart.
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[Click] [Whirring resumes]
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[Loud popping]
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Oh!
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It... it just kind of... it startled me.
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[Exhales]
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The hairs on the back of
my neck just stood up.
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It was definitely a...
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Unsettling presence there.
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It felt like someone was there.
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And it felt like someone
didn't want me there.
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I work at a car dealership, and Joe
had just come to work with us.
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[Delicate piano music]
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I met Rob at the car
dealership where we work,
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and he and I were pretty good buddies.
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He was chronically late.
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He couldn't get to work
on time, and I said, why?
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Sorry. [Chuckles]
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What's the problem?
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[Sighs] Traffic's just insane.
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It was taking me a long time to get
to my new job from where I lived.
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It was 55 minutes away.
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So I decided to find a new apartment
on the north side of town.
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You know, Vicki and I have a...
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I offered a solution to his commute.
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I said that we have an apartment
at the house that no one's using.
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So why don't you come check it out?
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- Really?
- Yeah, really.
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Rob told me about...
briefly about the history.
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He didn't hide anything from me, but he
didn't tell me a lot about it either.
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But it didn't really affect me much.
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All the things that were there at
the time during the murders...
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Has all, since then, been gutted.
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So, like, all the bad things were all gone.
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[Car horn honking]
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So the day came when I moved in.
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And we're unloading all the trucks into
the apartment, putting boxes down.
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That's fine. Wherever.
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I thought it was a beautiful place.
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And I thought it would be a great
fit for my dog, Fred, and I.
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Okay. Oh, man... [fred barks]
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Whoa. [Chuckles]
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Oh, jeez.
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- Are we done?
- We're done, yes.
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Once we finally got everything...
last piece moved in, I was just relieved.
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- Okay, I'll see you later.
- Okay. Thanks, Rob.
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I was very, very tired and uh...
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Sat down and just fell asleep.
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I was so exhausted.
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[Leaves rustling]
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I don't remember most of my dreams,
usually, but this one, I did.
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[Twigs snapping, leaves rustling]
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I had the sensation to run.
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I felt like something was chasing me.
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I was running from something bad.
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I was running for my life.
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Run!
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I got up to run... [grunts]
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And smashed into the door frame.
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[Glass shatters]
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I just fell to my face.
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And I just laid there in so much pain.
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[Grunts]
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There were shards of glass everywhere,
and I got it into my fingers.
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[Wincing]
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[Fluttering]
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I don't know what I was running from,
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but I had the sensation to
get out of there right away.
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[Wind chimes ringing] Rob?
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Rob, I'm home.
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[Wind chimes ringing]
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Rob?
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Oh!
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- Hey.
- You scared the daylights out of me.
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I was on the ladder, painting, and
Vicki came home from work, and uh...
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I think she was impressed by the
amount of painting I had gotten done.
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I was looking at the work
that he had done and...
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[Eerie whooshing noises]
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Something sort of caught my eye.
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I saw someone standing there.
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I realized that this guy's
got a red T-shirt on,
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and I thought, well, it
could be a trespasser.
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He had his back to me, and
he was slowly walking away.
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And then I realized...
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I couldn't see his legs.
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And then suddenly, he just
disappeared into the tree.
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My heart just started beating really
hard, because I'm thinking...
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Oh, my gosh.
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This person just disappeared...
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Right in front of my eyes.
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Vicki?
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What's wrong?
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I saw someone.
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My first thought was, it's one
of these serial killer groupies.
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[Leaves rustling]
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Unfortunately, it's a hazard
of living in a house where...
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You know, a serial killer lived.
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We went over to the spot
right where he disappeared,
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and, you know, I was looking
over Rob's shoulders.
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There's nothing there, absolutely nothing.
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Whoever it was, honey, he's gone.
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This is all very unfamiliar territory.
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I am the biggest skeptic, you know?
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I am a scientist.
You have to prove things to me.
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But I guarantee you, I saw what I saw.
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[Crickets chirping]
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[Fred panting]
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[Indistinct chatter on TV]
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I'd been living there for about a week.
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It was probably about 8:45, 9:00 at night.
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And I was washing a couple dishes.
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[Over television] Hey,
nobody ever asked you...
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[Knocking]
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All of a sudden, I heard
a knock on the door.
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Just a minute.
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I grabbed a towel. I still had my
hands wet, and I dried off my hands.
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[Knocking]
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And meanwhile, the door is still knocking.
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Be right there.
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[Knocking]
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[Fred barks and growls]
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Just a minute.
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Take it easy.
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I opened the door, opened it wide.
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There was no one there.
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Hello?
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00:15:21,160 --> 00:15:23,633
I looked out, did not see anyone
at the bottom of the staircase.
259
00:15:23,634 --> 00:15:27,928
I looked over the balcony,
didn't see anyone there.
260
00:15:27,929 --> 00:15:30,353
Didn't know who would
have knocked on the door.
261
00:15:30,354 --> 00:15:32,934
[Lock clicking]
262
00:15:35,559 --> 00:15:38,528
I kind of paused to gather myself.
263
00:15:38,529 --> 00:15:42,094
I actually didn't feel too comfortable.
264
00:15:42,095 --> 00:15:47,495
And I just felt like there
was something watching me.
265
00:15:47,604 --> 00:15:51,204
But I couldn't see anything.
266
00:15:53,644 --> 00:15:57,124
[Television static crackling]
267
00:16:03,454 --> 00:16:05,221
[Door creaking]
268
00:16:05,222 --> 00:16:08,402
[Fred barks and growls]
269
00:16:12,663 --> 00:16:15,123
[Fred snarls]
270
00:16:15,432 --> 00:16:20,352
Then all of a sudden,
something caught my eye.
271
00:16:20,371 --> 00:16:24,691
It was like a light wisp of something.
272
00:16:27,911 --> 00:16:30,551
[Dramatic music]
273
00:16:34,351 --> 00:16:37,052
So I looked back into the bedroom.
274
00:16:37,053 --> 00:16:39,573
[Music swells]
275
00:16:41,992 --> 00:16:44,452
[Music stops]
276
00:16:44,661 --> 00:16:46,471
[Crickets chirping]
277
00:16:46,472 --> 00:16:48,759
I saw nothing.
278
00:16:48,760 --> 00:16:51,460
[Fred whimpering]
279
00:16:52,686 --> 00:16:56,466
Did you see something too, boy?
280
00:16:57,207 --> 00:16:59,967
[Static crackling]
281
00:17:02,607 --> 00:17:04,380
After what Vicki had seen.
282
00:17:04,381 --> 00:17:07,817
I became concerned for everyone's safety.
283
00:17:07,818 --> 00:17:10,986
So we installed a closed-circuit
television system.
284
00:17:10,987 --> 00:17:12,386
[Static crackling]
285
00:17:12,387 --> 00:17:15,991
We put cameras on the barn facing
the house, one on the back side,
286
00:17:15,992 --> 00:17:19,387
one at the front door, and
one at the back door.
287
00:17:19,388 --> 00:17:21,130
The cameras are on all the time.
288
00:17:21,131 --> 00:17:24,300
And we can watch them from
the kitchen on a monitor.
289
00:17:24,301 --> 00:17:27,061
[Static crackling]
290
00:17:30,956 --> 00:17:32,964
Here you go, Freddy.
291
00:17:32,965 --> 00:17:35,245
Let's go.
292
00:17:35,295 --> 00:17:37,129
[Light clicks on]
293
00:17:37,130 --> 00:17:39,775
It was about three weeks after
I had moved into the house,
294
00:17:39,776 --> 00:17:41,757
and what I had been doing
at night, on clear nights,
295
00:17:41,758 --> 00:17:47,658
I would take my dog, Fred, with me
and walk up and down the driveway.
296
00:17:48,808 --> 00:17:51,328
[Branch snaps]
297
00:17:53,110 --> 00:17:55,046
I hear this noise coming from the woods.
298
00:17:55,047 --> 00:17:56,949
[Fred barking]
299
00:17:56,950 --> 00:18:00,658
Fred actually stopped, and
his ears are perked up.
300
00:18:00,659 --> 00:18:01,943
[Branch snaps]
301
00:18:01,944 --> 00:18:05,261
I look down at him, and he's
making quiet growling noises.
302
00:18:05,262 --> 00:18:06,766
[Fred barking and growling]
303
00:18:06,767 --> 00:18:09,097
Fred, come on, buddy.
304
00:18:09,098 --> 00:18:12,698
Let's, uh... let's go back.
305
00:18:16,105 --> 00:18:17,739
[Fred barking]
306
00:18:17,740 --> 00:18:20,575
And then my dog took off running.
307
00:18:20,576 --> 00:18:25,796
So I looked around to see
what he was looking at.
308
00:18:26,528 --> 00:18:29,048
[Fred barking]
309
00:18:29,737 --> 00:18:34,790
I saw this...
this man, this man in a red shirt.
310
00:18:34,791 --> 00:18:35,879
[Fred barking]
311
00:18:35,880 --> 00:18:36,699
Fred!
312
00:18:36,700 --> 00:18:39,515
He's walking into the trees, and
he walked in front of two of them,
313
00:18:39,516 --> 00:18:41,884
and then he just faded
away and disappeared.
314
00:18:41,885 --> 00:18:42,740
[Fred barking]
315
00:18:42,741 --> 00:18:44,661
Fred!
316
00:18:44,921 --> 00:18:47,561
[Gasping softly]
317
00:18:52,595 --> 00:18:55,731
I was fearful to go in the
woods where this man was.
318
00:18:55,732 --> 00:18:58,537
I thought, is he a bad person or...
319
00:18:58,538 --> 00:19:01,409
I didn't know what to think.
320
00:19:01,410 --> 00:19:03,501
[Panting]
321
00:19:03,502 --> 00:19:05,422
Fred?
322
00:19:11,010 --> 00:19:14,730
Come on, boy. Got to go home.
323
00:19:19,184 --> 00:19:21,704
[Fred barking]
324
00:19:22,721 --> 00:19:24,289
Fred?
325
00:19:24,290 --> 00:19:26,810
[Fred barking]
326
00:19:29,461 --> 00:19:31,621
[Panting]
327
00:19:41,240 --> 00:19:43,302
[Shouting]
328
00:19:43,303 --> 00:19:46,429
I saw the guy in the red
shirt for the second time.
329
00:19:46,430 --> 00:19:48,287
[Gasping]
330
00:19:48,288 --> 00:19:50,155
I focused right on this man.
331
00:19:50,156 --> 00:19:52,436
[Screaming]
332
00:19:53,237 --> 00:19:55,997
[Screaming echoes]
333
00:20:02,678 --> 00:20:05,198
[Fred barking]
334
00:20:09,385 --> 00:20:11,665
[Screaming]
335
00:20:17,560 --> 00:20:19,728
He... he was kind of standing
right about there, right?
336
00:20:19,729 --> 00:20:21,630
And then he turned, and
he walked into the woods,
337
00:20:21,631 --> 00:20:23,960
kind of, like, striding, like this,
you know, like with a purpose.
338
00:20:23,961 --> 00:20:25,109
- Red T-shirt and...
- Yes.
339
00:20:25,110 --> 00:20:29,040
Everything that Joe described was
exactly the person that I saw.
340
00:20:29,041 --> 00:20:30,605
Right up into these woods,
right about here.
341
00:20:30,606 --> 00:20:34,107
This is where he... this is where he...
342
00:20:34,108 --> 00:20:35,755
Disappeared.
343
00:20:35,756 --> 00:20:41,156
We realized that we had
actually seen the same thing.
344
00:20:42,985 --> 00:20:46,326
There was no evidence that
anyone had been there.
345
00:20:46,327 --> 00:20:48,538
And I'm thinking...
346
00:20:48,539 --> 00:20:51,299
Okay, you know...
347
00:20:52,646 --> 00:20:55,406
What's going on?
348
00:21:02,605 --> 00:21:05,425
[Crickets chirping]
349
00:21:05,874 --> 00:21:08,574
[Static crackles]
350
00:21:09,448 --> 00:21:12,028
[Wood creaking]
351
00:21:14,048 --> 00:21:16,808
[Distant creaking]
352
00:21:21,924 --> 00:21:23,257
[Knocking]
353
00:21:23,258 --> 00:21:25,298
[Gasps]
354
00:21:25,394 --> 00:21:26,695
Hello?
355
00:21:26,696 --> 00:21:30,765
I woke up with kind of a startling
feel, and I heard this knocking.
356
00:21:30,766 --> 00:21:32,434
Rob, is that you?
357
00:21:32,435 --> 00:21:34,655
[Knocking]
358
00:21:36,450 --> 00:21:39,630
[Fred barks and growls]
359
00:21:43,025 --> 00:21:45,146
Who's there? [Knocking continues]
360
00:21:45,147 --> 00:21:47,114
I was calling out, what do you want?
361
00:21:47,115 --> 00:21:50,073
And I wasn't hearing any
sort of response back.
362
00:21:50,074 --> 00:21:51,921
[Knocking continues]
363
00:21:51,922 --> 00:21:54,382
Who is that?
364
00:21:56,459 --> 00:21:58,679
[Knocking]
365
00:21:58,894 --> 00:22:01,429
But it just kept going on and on and on.
366
00:22:01,430 --> 00:22:06,282
Knock, knock, knock, knock,
knock, knock, knock.
367
00:22:06,283 --> 00:22:09,403
[Knocking and rattling]
368
00:22:10,760 --> 00:22:13,742
Who's doing that?
[Knocking and rattling continues]
369
00:22:13,743 --> 00:22:15,659
You can feel the vibration,
and you can actually
370
00:22:15,660 --> 00:22:17,977
feel the wooden panels
vibrating inside the door.
371
00:22:17,978 --> 00:22:20,184
[Knocking and rattling]
372
00:22:20,185 --> 00:22:22,645
Who's there?
373
00:22:23,727 --> 00:22:26,187
Who is that?
374
00:22:32,327 --> 00:22:34,328
There was no one there.
375
00:22:34,329 --> 00:22:36,489
[Panting]
376
00:22:38,946 --> 00:22:41,038
But the door knocker was still horizontal.
377
00:22:41,039 --> 00:22:43,199
[Panting]
378
00:22:45,127 --> 00:22:46,173
[Bang!]
379
00:22:46,174 --> 00:22:49,790
And then it fell and knocked one last time.
380
00:22:49,791 --> 00:22:52,242
And that just scared the hell out of me.
381
00:22:52,243 --> 00:22:54,703
Who's there?
382
00:23:01,582 --> 00:23:03,323
I looked around.
383
00:23:03,324 --> 00:23:05,007
All the lights were off on the house.
384
00:23:05,008 --> 00:23:09,366
At Rob and Vicki's house,
there was no one awake.
385
00:23:09,367 --> 00:23:11,321
I didn't hear any footsteps
of anyone running away,
386
00:23:11,322 --> 00:23:14,150
which I would have hear because
it was silent that night.
387
00:23:14,151 --> 00:23:17,811
I didn't know what to think.
388
00:23:29,518 --> 00:23:32,098
[Soft whirring]
389
00:23:38,327 --> 00:23:40,547
[Whirring]
390
00:23:49,638 --> 00:23:52,398
[Skids and stops]
391
00:24:12,561 --> 00:24:14,529
I couldn't see what was
out beyond the lights,
392
00:24:14,530 --> 00:24:19,930
and I just felt like there
was something watching me.
393
00:24:24,239 --> 00:24:25,940
I shut the door.
394
00:24:25,941 --> 00:24:28,033
I locked the dead bolt.
395
00:24:28,034 --> 00:24:30,448
Hey. Hey, Fred.
396
00:24:30,449 --> 00:24:31,883
It's okay. You're okay.
397
00:24:31,884 --> 00:24:33,584
And then the strangest thing happened.
398
00:24:33,585 --> 00:24:37,010
My dog, Fred, he starts growling at me.
399
00:24:37,011 --> 00:24:39,531
[Fred barking]
400
00:24:40,282 --> 00:24:41,826
[Metal squeaking]
401
00:24:41,827 --> 00:24:44,512
And I heard what sounded
like the doorknob turning.
402
00:24:44,513 --> 00:24:46,793
[Squeaking]
403
00:24:49,368 --> 00:24:51,836
As the doorknob started
to turn, you'd hear...
404
00:24:51,837 --> 00:24:54,117
[Squeaking]
405
00:24:55,388 --> 00:24:56,389
[Creaking]
406
00:24:56,390 --> 00:24:59,844
And you'd hear the spring compressing,
which just made this horrific errr sound.
407
00:24:59,845 --> 00:25:02,665
[Metallic creaking]
408
00:25:07,047 --> 00:25:08,625
And then it...
409
00:25:08,626 --> 00:25:11,506
It stopped turning.
410
00:25:14,063 --> 00:25:17,238
[Bang!] [Wood splintering]
411
00:25:17,239 --> 00:25:18,663
Bang.
412
00:25:18,664 --> 00:25:21,465
The door flew open and
slammed into the wall,
413
00:25:21,466 --> 00:25:26,626
and wood chips went flying
all over the apartment.
414
00:25:30,642 --> 00:25:33,102
Who's there?
415
00:25:33,312 --> 00:25:35,980
[Footsteps pattering]
416
00:25:35,981 --> 00:25:38,681
I saw this man.
417
00:25:39,451 --> 00:25:41,611
[Shrieks]
418
00:25:42,415 --> 00:25:44,488
[Fred barking]
419
00:25:44,489 --> 00:25:46,257
He had a complete look
of terror on his face.
420
00:25:46,258 --> 00:25:47,692
[Shrieks]
421
00:25:47,693 --> 00:25:49,666
You could just tell he was
running for his life.
422
00:25:49,667 --> 00:25:51,066
He was breathing heavy.
423
00:25:51,067 --> 00:25:54,933
I mean, he was trying to
get away from somebody.
424
00:25:54,934 --> 00:25:56,666
[Wood creaks]
425
00:25:56,667 --> 00:26:01,527
I've never seen anything
like it in my life.
426
00:26:06,127 --> 00:26:08,287
[Shrieks]
427
00:26:15,361 --> 00:26:19,097
I honestly think that I saw one
of Herb Baumeister's victims
428
00:26:19,098 --> 00:26:20,365
running for their lives.
429
00:26:20,366 --> 00:26:23,126
[Wood splintering]
430
00:26:24,036 --> 00:26:26,135
I think I see the victims
because they're...
431
00:26:26,136 --> 00:26:29,037
They're trying to get our attention
to help them find closure.
432
00:26:29,038 --> 00:26:30,740
They're seeking our assistance.
433
00:26:30,741 --> 00:26:33,816
Let's look at this stuff here.
I found all this...
434
00:26:33,817 --> 00:26:36,347
The first person I told was actually Vicki.
435
00:26:36,348 --> 00:26:37,748
Oh, wow.
436
00:26:37,749 --> 00:26:41,377
We started researching
more about the victims...
437
00:26:41,378 --> 00:26:44,834
About everything that was
found on the property.
438
00:26:44,835 --> 00:26:50,735
And we started becoming a lot more
interested in the investigation.
439
00:26:52,131 --> 00:26:54,970
We had called a local news station
to get some of the footage
440
00:26:54,971 --> 00:26:59,860
of the news stories that I didn't
remember even seeing back in 1996.
441
00:26:59,861 --> 00:27:03,163
..Bodies had been in
the woods for 16 months.
442
00:27:03,164 --> 00:27:05,560
The bones discovered in June of 1996.
443
00:27:05,561 --> 00:27:08,413
Contain the DNA identities of 11 victims...
444
00:27:08,414 --> 00:27:11,018
Only 8 are identified.
445
00:27:11,019 --> 00:27:13,271
Investigators say all
the victims were young,
446
00:27:13,272 --> 00:27:15,719
white, and had ties in the gay community.
447
00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:18,689
An informant told Indianapolis
police that Herb Baumeister...
448
00:27:18,690 --> 00:27:21,498
They started showing
photographs of the victims.
449
00:27:21,499 --> 00:27:23,294
Missing person they were looking for...
450
00:27:23,295 --> 00:27:26,998
And then one particular
photograph popped up.
451
00:27:26,999 --> 00:27:29,334
Oh, my God.
452
00:27:29,335 --> 00:27:30,768
[Stammering]
453
00:27:30,769 --> 00:27:32,303
That was the guy. Pause it.
454
00:27:32,304 --> 00:27:33,371
[Grunts] Give me that.
455
00:27:33,372 --> 00:27:34,538
What guy?
456
00:27:34,539 --> 00:27:36,759
That guy.
457
00:27:38,113 --> 00:27:42,013
And then I realized... [shrieking]
458
00:27:45,884 --> 00:27:48,152
That's the young person that
runs through my apartment.
459
00:27:48,153 --> 00:27:50,754
That is the person.
Without a doubt, that is the person.
460
00:27:50,755 --> 00:27:51,990
- Really?
- Yes.
461
00:27:51,991 --> 00:27:53,858
Vicki, that is the guy
I saw in my apartment.
462
00:27:53,859 --> 00:27:55,472
But we have not reached the end of it.
463
00:27:55,473 --> 00:27:57,731
There still might be some
information out there...
464
00:27:57,732 --> 00:28:03,492
Um that might take this
investigation a little bit further.
465
00:28:10,597 --> 00:28:15,139
The police found 5,500 bone
fragments on the property.
466
00:28:15,140 --> 00:28:18,769
We all know that there's more out there.
467
00:28:18,770 --> 00:28:20,769
Fred! Come on, buddy!
468
00:28:20,770 --> 00:28:23,050
Let's go!
469
00:28:25,624 --> 00:28:29,160
Living in a place like that, you're
out in the woods, walking around,
470
00:28:29,161 --> 00:28:35,033
and you're near the areas where
they found a lot of bones.
471
00:28:35,034 --> 00:28:40,934
You can't help but think about
Herb Baumeister and the victims.
472
00:28:50,113 --> 00:28:51,918
I'm not really sure what
made me look to the left,
473
00:28:51,919 --> 00:28:57,819
but I just happened to glance that
direction, and something caught my eye.
474
00:29:00,210 --> 00:29:06,110
It was just laying on the ground
like I was meant to find it.
475
00:29:07,699 --> 00:29:13,459
At that point, I think it
really did start to make sense.
476
00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:16,774
The new Italian Restaurant...
I think we should take the boys.
477
00:29:16,775 --> 00:29:18,108
- Oh, okay.
- You know?
478
00:29:18,109 --> 00:29:18,842
Sure.
479
00:29:18,843 --> 00:29:22,213
It was a Sunday night.
Vicki and I had just come home from dinner.
480
00:29:22,214 --> 00:29:25,583
- You think they'd like Italian, honey?
- Oh, pbbt. I think the boys like to eat.
481
00:29:25,584 --> 00:29:27,308
- They'll eat anything...
- [Gasps]
482
00:29:27,309 --> 00:29:30,455
I found something. I found something.
483
00:29:30,456 --> 00:29:36,356
Joe met us in the driveway, and
he said, "I found something".
484
00:29:42,901 --> 00:29:44,969
Where did you find that?
485
00:29:44,970 --> 00:29:46,765
You could tell it was a human bone.
486
00:29:46,766 --> 00:29:48,630
That's a femur.
487
00:29:48,631 --> 00:29:51,156
- You sure?
- It's definitely human.
488
00:29:51,157 --> 00:29:54,578
I was surprised at how good a
condition the bone was in, and...
489
00:29:54,579 --> 00:29:58,165
And then when Joe told me that he
found it just laying on the ground...
490
00:29:58,166 --> 00:29:59,348
I was amazed.
491
00:29:59,349 --> 00:30:03,221
Just lying there, Rob, like
I was meant to find it.
492
00:30:03,222 --> 00:30:07,988
It was found sort of in the area where
we saw the guy in the red shirt.
493
00:30:07,989 --> 00:30:12,119
And maybe this was what
he was leading us to.
494
00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:17,820
I'll report it to the police
first thing in the morning.
495
00:30:19,575 --> 00:30:22,465
I felt the need to get the
person that was actually there.
496
00:30:22,466 --> 00:30:26,103
So I contacted the lead
Detective on the case.
497
00:30:26,104 --> 00:30:32,004
And he agreed to come out and show us
where things had actually taken place.
498
00:30:35,343 --> 00:30:39,212
The Baumeister investigation was one
of the largest cases we've ever had.
499
00:30:39,213 --> 00:30:41,085
I remember this place.
500
00:30:41,086 --> 00:30:45,826
It was a big part of my life at that time.
501
00:30:48,557 --> 00:30:50,948
I found the place to be
disturbing not only in '96,
502
00:30:50,949 --> 00:30:56,229
but it brought those disturbing
feelings back to me.
503
00:30:57,733 --> 00:30:59,653
Yeah.
504
00:30:59,668 --> 00:31:01,502
In our investigations, we found that...
505
00:31:01,503 --> 00:31:07,041
He told me how Herb Baumeister had selected
his victims from gay bars downtown...
506
00:31:07,042 --> 00:31:12,847
That he would offer to bring them up for
a swim in the indoor swimming pool.
507
00:31:12,848 --> 00:31:18,548
As I was looking around, it
was like I was back in '96.
508
00:31:20,121 --> 00:31:24,863
Mr. Baumeister had mannequins
around the pool in various poses.
509
00:31:24,864 --> 00:31:28,104
[Camera shutter clicking]
510
00:31:28,137 --> 00:31:32,124
It just seemed weird.
It seemed like a setup...
511
00:31:32,125 --> 00:31:35,038
To lure his victims there.
512
00:31:35,039 --> 00:31:38,008
We surmised that Mister Baumeister
had gained control over his victims
513
00:31:38,009 --> 00:31:40,110
by the use of either
alcohol and/or drugs...
514
00:31:40,111 --> 00:31:41,433
[Camera shutter clicking]
515
00:31:41,434 --> 00:31:46,717
Brought them into the pool, asked them
to participate in auto erotic asphyxia.
516
00:31:46,718 --> 00:31:49,720
And then killed these
individuals by strangulation.
517
00:31:49,721 --> 00:31:52,421
[Camera clicking]
518
00:31:58,223 --> 00:32:00,934
His victims probably thought it was cool.
519
00:32:00,935 --> 00:32:02,919
It's kind of like a spa.
520
00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:05,855
In fact, it was a killing ground.
It was a trap.
521
00:32:05,856 --> 00:32:08,556
[Screams echoing]
522
00:32:10,594 --> 00:32:13,715
At the end, when everything
was coming to light.
523
00:32:13,716 --> 00:32:16,499
Mr. Baumeister killed himself...
524
00:32:16,500 --> 00:32:18,645
Uh, with a gunshot wound to the head.
525
00:32:18,646 --> 00:32:20,806
[Gunshot]
526
00:32:27,846 --> 00:32:28,869
[Laughs]
527
00:32:28,870 --> 00:32:31,480
- Oh, my goodness.
- All right.
528
00:32:31,481 --> 00:32:33,014
Incoming!
529
00:32:33,015 --> 00:32:35,689
A friend of mine, Jeremy, came
over, and he's been wanting to see
530
00:32:35,690 --> 00:32:38,354
the house and get a tour of the
house for quite some time.
531
00:32:38,355 --> 00:32:41,595
- Oh, sure.
- Oh, yeah!
532
00:32:42,014 --> 00:32:44,914
This was the first time I had been
to visit Joe at his apartment.
533
00:32:44,915 --> 00:32:47,458
It was about 6:00. It was dark outside.
534
00:32:47,459 --> 00:32:50,654
We're just having fun, you know,
just playing around with the kids.
535
00:32:50,655 --> 00:32:53,769
- Blah!
- Oh! Oh, man! Nice.
536
00:32:53,770 --> 00:32:55,034
That is disgusting.
537
00:32:55,035 --> 00:32:56,809
We were actually picking
up the large beetles,
538
00:32:56,810 --> 00:32:58,263
that were dead in the bottom of the pool.
539
00:32:58,264 --> 00:32:59,732
Okay, here we go. They're down here.
540
00:32:59,733 --> 00:33:04,533
- I'll get 'em for you.
- That's disgusting.
541
00:33:07,808 --> 00:33:10,448
[Haunting music]
542
00:33:16,359 --> 00:33:17,588
[Laughs]
543
00:33:17,589 --> 00:33:19,272
Yes! There you go.
544
00:33:19,273 --> 00:33:22,393
I got one right here.
545
00:33:29,903 --> 00:33:35,183
All of a sudden, I felt
this sensation on my neck.
546
00:33:49,175 --> 00:33:51,978
[Distant screaming]
547
00:33:51,979 --> 00:33:57,379
I first thought...
I thought it was one of the boys.
548
00:33:57,885 --> 00:34:00,105
[Laughter]
549
00:34:01,656 --> 00:34:04,333
But I saw them in the
opposite end of the pool.
550
00:34:04,334 --> 00:34:08,534
And I realized that it was not them.
551
00:34:17,839 --> 00:34:20,539
[Water splashing]
552
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:25,448
I just felt these... these fingers.
553
00:34:25,449 --> 00:34:29,477
And I felt like I was being choked.
554
00:34:29,478 --> 00:34:31,862
[Gasping and coughing]
555
00:34:31,863 --> 00:34:34,924
I turn and look at him...
556
00:34:34,925 --> 00:34:38,535
And he puts his hands up to his neck.
557
00:34:38,536 --> 00:34:40,303
[Gasping]
558
00:34:40,304 --> 00:34:43,474
Pure panic just comes over his face.
559
00:34:43,475 --> 00:34:46,577
It was not fake.
Joe and I joke around all the time.
560
00:34:46,578 --> 00:34:50,125
He was not joking whatsoever.
561
00:34:50,126 --> 00:34:51,323
Joe, are you okay?
562
00:34:51,324 --> 00:34:54,566
Boys, Jeremy, out. Let's go.
Out. Everybody out. Come on.
563
00:34:54,567 --> 00:34:56,311
- Why?
- We're getting... let's go.
564
00:34:56,312 --> 00:34:58,041
We can't be in there any
more, come on, let's go.
565
00:34:58,042 --> 00:34:59,623
Out. Get out! Go on, guys!
566
00:34:59,624 --> 00:35:01,725
True fear. True panic.
567
00:35:01,726 --> 00:35:04,666
He wanted to leave.
568
00:35:12,437 --> 00:35:14,657
[Coughing]
569
00:35:20,412 --> 00:35:22,413
There's no question of what I felt.
570
00:35:22,414 --> 00:35:25,649
I mean, I was scared to death.
571
00:35:25,650 --> 00:35:27,252
[Knocking]
572
00:35:27,253 --> 00:35:29,085
Joe, you okay in there?
573
00:35:29,086 --> 00:35:30,519
What's going on, man? Are you okay?
574
00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:32,993
I couldn't help but think of
Herb Baumeister and his victims.
575
00:35:32,994 --> 00:35:36,522
And I had kind of a picture
of what the victims...
576
00:35:36,523 --> 00:35:39,467
Were going through their
last final moments in life.
577
00:35:39,468 --> 00:35:42,966
And that was just rather frightening.
578
00:35:42,967 --> 00:35:46,336
[Over television] Are certain the
same man killed all nine victims.
579
00:35:46,337 --> 00:35:48,138
All were discovered in or near...
580
00:35:48,139 --> 00:35:54,039
I was in my apartment over by my
front door where my computer is.
581
00:35:54,416 --> 00:35:56,996
[Wings flutter]
582
00:36:07,455 --> 00:36:10,695
[Scraping and clattering]
583
00:36:13,798 --> 00:36:19,698
All of a sudden, I heard a scraping
sound, a metallic scraping.
584
00:36:53,872 --> 00:36:58,972
And then I noticed something
strange on the wall.
585
00:37:04,749 --> 00:37:09,309
And there was actually these knife marks...
586
00:37:09,888 --> 00:37:14,688
Multiple knife marks
that go across the wall.
587
00:37:18,095 --> 00:37:20,285
And now I'm thinking, you know,
that someone could have been
588
00:37:20,286 --> 00:37:25,986
murdered or stabbed in my
kitchen right next to the sink.
589
00:37:26,050 --> 00:37:31,041
It's actually quite horrifying because
the stuff that's happened in the past...
590
00:37:31,042 --> 00:37:34,444
Potentially, some of it actually
happened in my living quarters.
591
00:37:34,445 --> 00:37:37,414
And there potentially is
still someone in here.
592
00:37:37,415 --> 00:37:40,055
[Dramatic music]
593
00:37:41,485 --> 00:37:43,845
We've all seen all these
ghost hunter shows.
594
00:37:43,846 --> 00:37:46,857
And how they go around investigating
with voice recorders and so forth.
595
00:37:46,858 --> 00:37:50,260
So I had my telephone.
It has a great voice recorder on it.
596
00:37:50,261 --> 00:37:53,223
I turned that on, and I turned off the A.C.
597
00:37:53,224 --> 00:37:55,532
I unplugged the refrigerator, the TV.
598
00:37:55,533 --> 00:38:00,993
Everything that could potentially
make a noise was off.
599
00:38:05,643 --> 00:38:08,645
Is anyone here with me right now?
600
00:38:08,646 --> 00:38:14,546
I felt extremely silly doing this, but I
really wanted to see if anything was there.
601
00:38:18,409 --> 00:38:21,229
[Floorboard creaks]
602
00:38:33,871 --> 00:38:37,540
And when I was standing there in the
kitchen, I asked this question.
603
00:38:37,541 --> 00:38:40,601
Is there anyone here?
604
00:38:41,679 --> 00:38:44,799
[Soft whooshing sounds]
605
00:38:44,940 --> 00:38:48,780
There was absolutely no response.
606
00:38:51,656 --> 00:38:54,176
[Fred barking]
607
00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:58,461
At that point, my dog started
growling in the background.
608
00:38:58,462 --> 00:38:59,997
[Fred barking]
609
00:38:59,998 --> 00:39:03,538
That was a big sign to me.
610
00:39:10,197 --> 00:39:13,954
Is anyone here with us tonight?
611
00:39:13,955 --> 00:39:16,680
Who keeps walking in the kitchen?
612
00:39:16,681 --> 00:39:18,649
[Muffled murmuring]
613
00:39:18,650 --> 00:39:21,118
[Fred barking]
614
00:39:21,119 --> 00:39:24,320
All of a sudden, I heard a sound.
615
00:39:24,321 --> 00:39:26,389
[Recording whirring in reverse]
616
00:39:26,390 --> 00:39:28,524
So I listened to it again...
617
00:39:28,525 --> 00:39:29,529
[Muffled murmuring]
618
00:39:29,530 --> 00:39:30,828
And again... [muffled murmuring]
619
00:39:30,829 --> 00:39:33,305
And again. [Muffled murmuring]
620
00:39:33,306 --> 00:39:35,515
[Muffled murmuring]
621
00:39:35,516 --> 00:39:37,174
[Muffled murmuring]
622
00:39:37,175 --> 00:39:39,067
[Muffled murmuring]
623
00:39:39,068 --> 00:39:40,937
[Muffled murmuring]
624
00:39:40,938 --> 00:39:44,418
[Louder indistinct murmuring]
625
00:39:44,608 --> 00:39:46,877
[Feedback screeches]
626
00:39:46,878 --> 00:39:51,978
And then I hear this voice,
which is so clear...
627
00:39:52,917 --> 00:39:55,737
"The married one."
628
00:40:02,630 --> 00:40:05,450
"The married one."
629
00:40:15,977 --> 00:40:20,477
Without a doubt, this voice was not mine.
630
00:40:20,894 --> 00:40:24,532
I've never heard that voice before. So...
631
00:40:24,533 --> 00:40:27,989
It was no question that something was
trying to let me know that they were there.
632
00:40:27,990 --> 00:40:29,290
The married one.
633
00:40:29,291 --> 00:40:32,171
[Feedback screeches]
634
00:40:34,558 --> 00:40:36,898
..victims have been found.
635
00:40:36,899 --> 00:40:39,861
All the victims were young,
single men with ties...
636
00:40:39,862 --> 00:40:43,873
Single men who were vulnerable
members of society.
637
00:40:43,874 --> 00:40:45,742
[Indistinct speech]
638
00:40:45,743 --> 00:40:51,643
The man responsible is a well respected
husband, father, and businessman.
639
00:40:53,018 --> 00:40:54,556
..Suspected married businessman.
640
00:40:54,557 --> 00:40:56,092
- Suspected married...
- Married.
641
00:40:56,093 --> 00:40:59,813
- Married.
- Herbert Baumeister.
642
00:41:03,009 --> 00:41:07,089
I was convinced that Herb was back.
643
00:41:11,076 --> 00:41:12,436
[Static crackles]
644
00:41:12,437 --> 00:41:13,604
[Electronic beep]
645
00:41:13,605 --> 00:41:16,061
The crime tape came down today.
646
00:41:16,062 --> 00:41:18,657
But investigators wonder
what other secrets,
647
00:41:18,658 --> 00:41:22,912
Herbert Baumeister took
with him to the grave.
648
00:41:22,913 --> 00:41:25,493
[Camera clicks]
649
00:41:42,817 --> 00:41:45,393
Everyone that's owned the
property since has really
650
00:41:45,394 --> 00:41:48,816
tried to distance themselves
from this whole history.
651
00:41:48,817 --> 00:41:51,577
When in fact you'll never get away from it.
652
00:41:51,578 --> 00:41:53,714
It's always going to be that place.
653
00:41:53,715 --> 00:41:56,428
If Herb Baumeister's spirit
came after my boy's...
654
00:41:56,429 --> 00:42:00,023
I would take action right away.
And I would leave.
655
00:42:00,024 --> 00:42:04,582
I'm not going to stay somewhere
and put the family at risk.
656
00:42:04,583 --> 00:42:07,535
I don't think we'll ever get
rid of Herb Baumeister.
657
00:42:07,536 --> 00:42:10,029
He's far too strong of a presence.
658
00:42:10,030 --> 00:42:12,538
But um, if we can keep him
out of the apartment,
659
00:42:12,539 --> 00:42:15,010
and at the house from Rob
and Vicki and the two boys.
660
00:42:15,011 --> 00:42:18,791
I'd feel very good about that.
661
00:42:18,795 --> 00:42:24,695
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