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>>DAVID WILCOCK: Hello, I'm David Wilcock,

and welcome to another episode of "Cosmic Disclosure"

because you need to know.

In this episode, we are going to pick up

where we left off with this remarkable insider who we have

the privilege and pleasure of speaking to,

none other than Corey Goode, who is claiming

to have worked in something we are calling the Secret Space

Program.

This would be the military-industrial complex

industrializing and building out colonies in our solar system

and beyond.

And it is a fascinating story because it

lines up with information that I have received from insiders

that I have been in contact with for the better

part of 20 years.

Most of these people never came forward.

I withheld the information from the internet,

and that makes it very easy to tell when someone else comes

along who is speaking about the same things

that I'd already heard.

And I'm very delighted to have the opportunity now,

to finally be able to talk about so many things that were not

allowed to be spoken of before and have Corey here

for the show.

So, Corey, thanks for being here, buddy.

>>COREY GOODE: Thank you.

>>DAVID: We talked about Operation High Jump.

We talked about the effort that was

made to try to bust up a German cell in Antarctica

and that they encountered some pretty stiff resistance there.

So I guess to start this off, what

was the first method that they used to achieve space flight?

>>GOODE: In the beginning, they had

success with their own engineers developing technology

from their own engineering feats,

as well as they had been scouring the East

for ancient texts that they had been told about

and channelings from what they were led to believe,

or what could be off-world beings, that some

of the esoteric German secret society groups

were dabbling in.

And this led some of the other secret society groups

to go on expeditions looking for these ancient, Eastern texts.

>>DAVID: Where did they believe these texts were located?

Were there are a variety of locations?

>>GOODE: A variety of locations, these being in the Tibetan

areas, the areas of India.

A lot of people have heard the stories

of ancient flying devices that had very advanced weaponry.

>>DAVID: The vimana.

>>GOODE: Yeah, the vimana, and it read like science fiction

but was many tens of thousands of years old.

And Western scholars wrote it off

as fiction, science fiction, ahead of its time.

These German groups, they believed more

in the marriage of science and esoteric beliefs,

and they decided that they would follow these leads that they

had received through channelings and go and locate these texts.

>>DAVID: Did the beings that were doing the channeling

give them specific coordinates of where

these texts would be located?

>>GOODE: Yes.

>>DAVID: Really?

>>GOODE: They told them that they

were under certain mountain ranges

in certain areas that had at one time

been a part of a more advanced civilization,

had been forgotten by modern man,

that a lot of the religious caste monks knew about it

and had guarded it as part of their secret teachings.

>>DAVID: You and I spoke in previous episodes

at quite some length about these Agarthans,

and you said it was a group that was blonde Nordics that

were living inside the Earth.

>>GOODE: Some of them, yeah.

>>DAVID: Some of them live inside the Earth.

>>GOODE: Some of them were blonde Nordics.

>>DAVID: Oh, and you said that the Germans preferred

to work with them over the Draco, reptilian types.

>>GOODE: Correct.

>>DAVID: So why would the Agarthans-- I'm assuming, first

of all, the Agarthans are the ones

that were channeling through these secret societies,

or is that not true?

>>GOODE: That's a hard one to speculate on

because they, Orrick and these different groups,

seem to have been in contact with several different groups.

>>DAVID: Several different ET groups?

>>GOODE: Extraterrestrial groups and also

ancient Earth breakaway groups, so it's

hard to pinpoint which information came from which

groups.

Back in the late '30s, I believe it

was, they were asked to draw a picture of who

they were communicating with.

And the drawing of the head and the facial features

of this being--

>>DAVID: It's a creepy-looking face.

>>GOODE: Yes-- and had very interesting, similar

characteristics to Grays.

>>DAVID: Yes, it does, but the eyes aren't as big.

But the head is really large, and then it's

got this tiny, little chin.

>>GOODE: Right, but the Germans were

led to go out to the Himalayan mountain areas

to go on massive expeditions out east to recover these documents

and to do so in a not-so-ethical way.

They were going to these villages and these monasteries

and, basically at gunpoint, taking these scrolls and books

and taking them back to Germany.

>>DAVID: Are you saying that the texts that were in question

were located in Tibetan Buddhist type monasteries?

>>GOODE: Mm-hmm, a lot of them are, and a lot of them

were also in cave systems that these texts had

been put in them.

And they had been sealed in mountains.

>>DAVID: In the event that they got

into one of these cave systems, would there

be indications that what they were looking at

was a remnant of an advanced civilization

beyond just finding a cache of documents?

>>GOODE: Well, directly from what I read

and the smart glass pads, these were wooden, similar

to bookshelves but were lined with tons

of scrolls and bound books.

And a lot of them had medicine type of information,

I mean, all different types of, I guess,

secret teachings and secret medicines and secret technology

information.

>>DAVID: Were these natural caverns,

or did it have some of that sort of smoothing out feature

like you get with the Ancient Builder race

stuff you talked about before?

>>GOODE: These were natural caverns.

>>DAVID: Natural caverns.

>>GOODE: Yes, and when these certain books

were spirited away back to Germany,

when they opened them and began to look at them,

the German engineers were shocked

to see that these were technological blueprints.

>>DAVID: When you say scroll though,

my visual would be that we're looking at some aged, crumbling

piece of browning paper.

>>GOODE: Well, some of them were scrolls.

Some of them were actually bound books.

>>DAVID: Like a leather bound?

>>GOODE: Yeah, like leather, animal-skin-bound books.

These are more of scribed texts and books

that were handed down over generations.

People would scribe them exactly as the other text was,

and then at a certain point they were sealed away

or put into a monastery.

>>DAVID: So we're not talking about books

where the pages are made of like a Kevlar, indestructible

material.

>>GOODE: No.

>>DAVID: It's just paper.

>>GOODE: Right.

>>DAVID: So what did these technical diagrams--

when you say blueprints, was it like the power

system for the craft?

What was the illustration of?

>>GOODE: Much of it they had to decipher over time,

but it was the beginning of the electrogravitic craft that

later on the West called alien reproduction vehicles.

What they were, were mercury-spinning,

mercury-vortex-driven vehicles that

created electrogravitic lift.

And it was very simple concepts but very complicated

concepts at the same time.

And once the German scientists got a hold of it

and married it with what they were already working on,

they were able to jump leaps and bounds ahead of where they

were in a short period of time.

>>DAVID: Was there a familiarity to the language of the book,

or did they have to actually learn the language?

>>GOODE: That was one of the largest hurdles to get over,

and they brought some very uncooperative,

I guess you would say, volunteers

from that region back with them to help them

in the deciphering of the texts.

>>DAVID: Are you saying Tibetans?

>>GOODE: Well, Tibetans and people

that were guarding the knowledge.

>>DAVID: Oh, wow.

>>GOODE: And they used these people

to help them translate as much of it as they could.

A lot of this stuff, these people

had been scribing for generations,

but even they had lost the original meaning

of what they were transcribing.

>>DAVID: So the books had been copied over.

>>GOODE: Many, many, many times.

>>DAVID: And the blueprints and diagrams.

>>GOODE: But the Germans were very intelligent, very

resourceful, and they were able to use these diagrams,

create their own experiments, and figure it out.

>>DAVID: Some people are going to be questioning what

groups we're talking about.

There's like a Thule Society, T-H-U-L-E.

Would that be one of them?

>>GOODE: The Thule Society, the Order

of the Blacks Sun, the Vril Society, and there

are about a handful of other different societies that

are not really well known.

And a lot of these ones that we mentioned

worked together when it was logical to further

their technological development and then would

keep their own secrets.

Some of them had much more advanced technology

than the other societies.

>>DAVID: Were the members of the societies also in control

of German industrial conglomerates

like IG Farben, stuff like that, corporations?

>>GOODE: These groups were always in control of the money.

They were always in control of the corporations.

They were not always in control, totally, of the government.

>>DAVID: I see.

>>GOODE: They had infiltrated the government

and were working in the government,

but the government did not know what these societies

and groups were doing.

They knew what a lot of what the Order of Black Sun groups

were doing because they were using military applications

with a lot of the stuff they were

developing for the war effort.

But it was pretty well known that none of this technology

was really going to be serviceable and ready to deploy

by the end of the war.

>>DAVID: When we're describing this process of document

acquisition that was going on, you mentioned India,

and you mentioned Tibet.

What are the years that we're talking about,

and were there any other geographical regions

besides Indian and Tibet where this was being done?

>>GOODE: China, yes.

>>DAVID: China, OK.

>>GOODE: China, India, Tibet, all

of these modern ancient civilizations.

>>DAVID: Did it all cluster around the Himalayas

and that part of the world?

>>GOODE: Yes.

>>DAVID: OK, and what were the years in question?

>>GOODE: 1918, 1919, but then the 1920s, '30s,

it started exponentially growing, and most of it

was in the 1930s and '40s.

But most of it was heavily in the 1930s

that they were really doing a lot of this work.

>>DAVID: I have heard from other scholars

that one of the things that the Germans were looking

for were pieces of material that they felt

had esoteric power, like the spear that penetrated Jesus's

body-- which they apparently were calling

the Spear of Destiny, or something

like the so-called Fountain of Youth, which most people think

is a joke.

>>GOODE: That was another break-off group

that the-- getting into, I guess, during World War

II, the four-letter Nazi word, that group,

they started sending them off looking for religious artifacts

that had power.

And they weren't just Judeo-Christian artifacts.

They were looking for all sorts of ancient religious artifacts

that they believed were rooted in either ancient breakaway

technology, Earth breakaway technology, or ancient alien,

ET, technology, some of which are the Ancient Builders race.

They were wanting to get their hands on it

for several reasons.

Some of them believed that having possession

of these materials, according to the legends,

would ensure their victory.

And also some of the ETs that they were in contact with

wanted these technologies, especially the Ancient Builder

race technologies.

And that has gone up close to current era,

until we figured out that some of what

these tablets or stones that look

like just relics, ancient stone relics that looked benign,

we finally figured out that they were actually technologies

that worked on a multi-dimensional level-- very,

very advanced.

And they were trading these off with ET groups

for technology and for the ETs to come down and give material

support.

>>DAVID: Now, if people are watching all the shows

that I've been working on here at Gaiam, one of the things

they will have seen is Disclosure episodes where I'm

interviewing Graham Hancock.

And we had, I believe, an entire episode

just devoted to the Ark of the Covenant.

And, of course, the classic Spielberg film,

"Raiders of the Lost Ark," is about the Ark of the Covenant,

that Harrison Ford's character is looking for the Ark.

Did you encounter any information on your own

that the Ark of the Covenant was real

or that the German groups were looking for it?

>>GOODE: Well, according to the smart glass pads,

there were three Ark of the Covenants.

>>DAVID: Three Arks of the Covenant?

I hadn't heard that before.

>>GOODE: There were three of them,

and they were devices that were housed

in some sort of wood that was covered in gold as a shielding

from the radiation.

It's not exactly the radiation we think of, as

in radioactive bombs.

But even light bulbs, there is something radiating from them.

So radiation can mean all sorts of things.

>>DAVID: Well, it's a very curious technology

because when you read the Bible and talks about bringing down

the walls of Jericho, it said that they

had the Ark of the Covenant.

They blew trumpets, and the bricks turned into liquid.

The whole wall just liquefied and melted.

So what kind of technology could do that?

>>GOODE: Sonic-- and not only that,

but it was supposedly providing manna, food.

>>DAVID: Oh, food for them.

>>GOODE: Food for them, supposedly, you know,

food, water, protection against their enemies,

ways to defeat their enemies, supposedly a radio to God.

So it was a multi-purpose device.

>>DAVID: And were these German esoteric groups

aware that there were three of them?

>>GOODE: I believe one of them was destroyed,

and there are two that are still present on the surface

of the Earth.

>>DAVID: When you look at the Tibetan stories

and you compare them with other records, in Tibet,

they have this thing called the double dorje, which

you hold in your hand.

And it looks like a weird, energetic coil,

and it seems to have been modelled off of a technology.

When we go into the Greek mythology,

we have Zeus' thunderbolt, which appears

to be some device that he holds in his hand,

can generate lightning.

We have Thor's hammer, which is the same thing.

We have Poseidon's spear, which is the same thing.

Were there particle-beam weapons or some type of energy weapons

that you could hold in your hand like a gun

that these German groups were also trying

to locate in these expeditions?

>>GOODE: Yes, they believed very much

that all of these descriptions of the gods

were actual weapons, technological weapons,

and they were looking for them.

>>DAVID: Yeah, another one that comes out of India

is Vajra's spear.

It's the same kind of idea.

He's holding it in his hand, and it does

incredibly powerful things.

>>GOODE: Right, so they were looking

for all of these things.

And a lot of these beings that had these weapons that

were being written about, some were ETs,

and some were extremely advanced,

human, breakaway civilizations and presented

themselves to the surface population as gods

and did so for some time.

As we became more sophisticated, so

did their deceptive techniques.

And in more recent times, they've

been presenting themselves as extraterrestrials

that are benevolent and here to save the world.

>>DAVID: Getting back to something you said before,

do you think that the Germans could have acquired something

like Zeus's thunderbolt or Vajra's spear

and been able to engineer it into the building

of their craft so they had an effective weapon?

>>GOODE: I think that there were quite a bit of technologies

that were acquired and integrated into their breakaway

secret space program that they were developing,

but they were developing this for their own breakaway

civilization and when it came down to it,

did not care about World War II, the motherland,

and using this technology to defeat the United

States and the enemies of Germany

that they were engaged in war with.

>>DAVID: When we see giant stone structures,

like stone circles or single slabs,

like menhirs or pyramids, that kind of thing, obviously,

we can't work that kind of stone now in any effective way.

Did the Germans find any technology

that would allow you to, like, maybe hold

onto a thing with your hands and zap a stone

and allow it to levitate?

Did they find anything like that?

>>GOODE: A lot this type of technology was discovered,

and it was discovered below the surface of the Earth,

deep in cavernous areas in what has become

known as the Honeycomb Earth that a lot of people

refer to as Inner Earth or the Hollow Earth.

And a lot of this was technology left

behind by the Ancient Builder race

and also by ancient ETs and ancient breakaway

groups that had moved on and left

certain technologies behind.

>>DAVID: I'm just curious because this is correlating

with something I heard.

The first insider I ever met had worked-- apparently,

his godfather was one of the top 90 Cabal people.

And he had described a technology

that was based on crystals, and it actually was like a six gun.

And you had six crystals in it in kind of a cylinder.

And you'd pop them in, and you could rotate to each crystal

depending on the size of the stone.

And it would actually beam into the stone,

and that would help it to levitate.

I'm just wondering if you'd ever seen anything like that?

>>GOODE: I've seen an incredible amount of technology that

is based on crystals, and a lot of it

goes way back to the Ancient Builder race.

And a lot of it has been developed

by much younger, Earth-based ancient races and ET races.

>>DAVID: Very good, all right, well, we're

going to continue this really fascinating discussion.

It's interesting to get correlations and hear things

from his perspective, given his background.

So when we come back next time, we're

going to take this discussion of the German societies forward,

and we're going to finally bring them out into space

and start talking in very practical terms

about where did they go, what did they

find when they got there, and how did they build it out

and make it their own?

That's coming up next time on "Cosmic Disclosure"

because you need to know.

I'm your host, David Wilcock.

This is Corey Goode, and we thank you for watching.

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