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>>DAVID WILCOCK: Allright, welcome to the show.

I'm David Wilcock.

And we are absolutely having fun here.

This is all newinformation, even for people

who think they know it all.

I think we're just peeling awaythe layers of the onion here.

And it gets more and more interesting as we go.

I'm here with Corey Goode.

And we are discussing insider information

that he gained through his workin the Secret Space Program,

or what's often abbreviated to SSP.

Corey, this Secret Space Program,

how does something like this get started?

If our conventional technology seems

to be so primitive as farspace travel is concerned,

did the space program actually have some help?

Was there some outside assistance

that allowed it to develop this far at such

an early time in history?

>>COREY GOODE: Actually, the reason there's

such a wide range in technologies

in the Secret Space Programand what we have down here

is that this is a completebreakaway society.

>>DAVID: What does a breakaway society mean?

>>GOODE: It is a society thatis so divergent from the one

that it came from that it's acompletely different society

that runs on totally different technology,

different social dynamics,different control systems, that

are unrelated to the onesthat it came from before.

It broke away.

And it's now existing separate from.

>>DAVID: What might be an example

of a different social dynamic?

>>GOODE: Well it's definitelymore of a controlled,

totalitarian regime.

>>DAVID: Really?

>>GOODE: Yeah, yeah.

The current era breakaway civilization

really began in Germany, as far back as the '20s,

but especially in the '30s.

There were some of the German secret societies

that were doing a lot of really interesting work.

They were some of the firstthat didn't separate science

and what our mainstream scienceconsiders esoteric spirituality

kind of topics.

They intertwined them.

And they had some groups that were

doing channeling, trying to contact groups

from other worlds.

And they were also scouring theEarth for texts-- ancient texts

from the East that hadtalked about ancient Vimana

and other craft that they hopedthat they could get information

from to engineer craft from.

>>DAVID: One of the mostcontentious pieces of research

that I came across dealing withGerman occult societies was

apparently one of the top occultists in the time,

who later advised Hitler,saw a talk by Gurdjieff.

And Gurdjieff described this grand hypothesis

of a symbol that was showing up,a sacred symbol, literally all

over the world.

All these different ancientcultures had this symbol that

the Hindus called the"sah-wah-STEE-ka," or swastika.

Do you think that the Germansin these occult societies,

by seeing this almost worldwideprevalence of one symbol,

were they reconstructing what they

felt was the traces of aworldwide ancient advanced

civilization of some kind?

>>GOODE: I don't know that for sure.

But I know that as far back as the late '20s,

and through the '30s, some of these secret

societies were alreadywell into expeditions all

across the world, lookingfor ancient texts and relics

that they could start topiece information together

to create technology from, modern technology from.

>>DAVID: Also I did a ancient aliens

episode not too long ago on something

called the German Roswell.

And I'm wondering ifyou'd ever heard of that.

>>GOODE: I believe it's 1936,a crash in the Black Forest.

>>DAVID: Right, on Eva Braun'sfamily's land, apparently.

And she later became Hitler's wife.

>>GOODE: I read that there was a crash

and that there was technologyrecovered in the glass pad.

But most of my knowledge goes to the contact

that was made through the channeling, where

they made contact with another civilization,

and ended up arranging meetings with them

and also, through their expeditions,

ended up making contact in the Himalayas

with the ancient breakaway civilization

that a lot of people callthe Nordics that they started

to work with.

They were working with thesetwo different groups that

helped them put this together.

>>DAVID: One of the most commonthings the critics keep saying

is Corey has no proof.

But when you're describing channeling,

this is something that peoplecan go and read for themselves.

It wasn't all kept secret, right?

>>GOODE: No, a lot ofthis is out in mainstream.

And people, I think, havewritten books and stuff about.

>>DAVID: So this is the Vril Society--

>>GOODE: The Vril Society.

>>DAVID: --Maria Orsic.

>>GOODE: Right.

>>DAVID: Can you tell us whatyou know about the channeling,

like did they form a contact with some sort

of extraterrestrial group?

>>GOODE: Yes, they made contactwith one of the Draco Alliance

groups.

And it was when they drew a picture

of the face, a lot of people today

say it looks like the Gray, or the Reptoids,

which look very much like the Grays,

except they're reptilian looking.

>>DAVID: Was that group here already

before they made contact?

Or did the contact draw themover to our solar system?

>>GOODE: The Draco,according to the glass pad--

smart glass pad-- had beenhere at least 375,000 years.

And they considered Earth theirs.

>>DAVID: What do they look like?

Where are they from?

What's their story?

>>GOODE: Well the Draco are-- most people

picture them as only theselarge reptilian group.

But the Draco Alliance is made up

of a lot of different beings.

Most of them have some sortof reptilian blood in them,

some sort of reptilian genetics.

And I guess you could saythey're very genetic purists.

They like to have beings involved

in their alliance that havesome sort of reptilian genetics.

But there have also beenother insectoid-type beings

that have been associated with the Draco Alliance.

>>DAVID: When you say reptilians,

you're talking about a humanoid body?

>>GOODE: Right.

>>DAVID: But with areptile-type appearance to it?

>>GOODE: Right.

Reptilian skin, reptilian eyes, muscular

build, reptilian disposition--very aggressive--

and what a lot of people probably

would a picture as a demon.

That's probably where a lotof the demon and devil ideas

came from, the way they weredepicted in medieval art.

>>DAVID: And you also said Reptoid

as if it was somethingdifferent from reptilian.

So could you explain the difference?

>>GOODE: Yeah the Reptoids look--

they have a more narrow jaw, elongated head,

and eyes that are larger.

They look a lot like whatpeople picture as the alien

that you would see stampedon a sign at Roswell,

the typical Gray.

>>DAVID: But there would be a difference

between a Gray and a Reptoid?

>>GOODE: Definitely.

And there are a whole lot of different beings

that get thrown into the Gray category.

There's a lot of confusion with Grays.

There are quite a few different types

of beings that get tossedinto that category.

>>DAVID: So why is the term Draco

being used for these people?

>>GOODE: I don't know the genesis of the name.

I don't know if the name issomething that came from them

or comes from a more ancient derived manner.

I don't know where the actual name comes from.

I have heard all of the stuff that's

on the internet about the Draco star cluster

and that kind of stuff.

But I don't know for certain.

>>DAVID: But the term Dracosounds a lot like dragon.

>>GOODE: It does.

>>DAVID: And Dracula, I guess,would be another similar thing.

>>GOODE: But I don't knowwhich-- the chicken or the egg,

I don't know which came first.

>>DAVID: This obviouslystarts to get immediately

into the David Icke kind of stuff.

To your personalknowledge, are there people

on Earth that arereptilians that shape shift

to look like human beings?

>>GOODE: The only type of shape shifting

that we encountered when we interrogated

intercepted beings was donethrough a technological means.

>>DAVID: OK.

So this idea that the so-called Illuminati are

in fact reptilians that aremasquerading as human beings

and they don't look like that at all

is not anything you encounteredin your line of work?

>>GOODE: It's not anything I encountered.

>>DAVID: So just briefly, if you have--

we've talked about avians that look human

but they have birdlike features.

Now we're talking about reptilians

that look human but have birdlike features.

Is the biome that we have on Earth--

meaning single-celled organisms,algae, vegetables, plants,

mammals, fish, birds,reptiles-- is that type of thing

a fairly common pattern for worlds that

are Earth-like in our galaxy?

>>GOODE: Yes.

And it seems to be some sort of-- there's

some sort of humanoid template.

>>DAVID: Right, so different types

of beings that we see on Earth could

evolve into a human-like form,depending on the conditions

of that planet.

>>GOODE: Right.

>>DAVID: And you'resaying the Draco basically

were like interstellar racists and found

others who had evolved out of reptilian

life or insectoid-type life.

And that was their preferred group.

>>GOODE: Right.

Or they geneticallyinterfered, one or the other.

>>DAVID: What was their objective in coming here

in the first place?

What did they want from our solar system

or from humans on Earth?

>>GOODE: Conquests,furthering their dynasty,

their Draco alliance was-- they're all

about spreading their empire.

>>DAVID: So the German occult societies--

were they contacted, or did they try

to make contact with the Draco?

How did that actually happen?

>>GOODE: They reached out andmade contact, consciously,

to this group.

>>DAVID: Through this Vril Society?

>>GOODE: Right.

>>DAVID: And you also said that there

was a Nordic-looking group?

>>GOODE: The German secret societies

had been doing a whole bunch of expeditions.

And as they were in the area of the Himalayans,

they ran into a group of Nordic-looking beings

that presentedthemselves as alien, ETs.

And they were actually a ancienthuman breakaway civilization

that had existed under theHimalayas for tens of thousands

of years.

>>DAVID: Under the Himalayas?

>>GOODE: Right, and furtheron in a network of cities

connected underneath the ground.

>>DAVID: Had theyreoccupied the stuff that

was built by the so-called ancient builder race?

>>GOODE: Yes, but they had actually

built out a very, verysophisticated, high-tech--

they were a very sophisticated, high-tech civilization

on their own.

And they built out their ownhigh-tech infrastructure.

>>DAVID: But this was oneof these underground areas,

as you said before, that hasthe bioluminescent bacteria

and has trees and running waterand its own evolutionary path

of animals and fish and birdsand all that kind of stuff?

>>GOODE: But there's was closer to the surface,

underneath mountains and networks

that reached down to that area.

And they called theirselvesthe Agartha Network.

>>DAVID: Really?

>>GOODE: That was accordingto the documentation.

And they had a spacefleet, or a space program,

that they called the Silver Fleet.

>>DAVID: This sounds a lot likepeople who have been contacted

by what they think are extraterrestrials,

the so-called Nordic ET is a pretty common thing

to hear about.

>>GOODE: Yes, that happeneda lot by this group that

pretended to be ETs.

And later on that also happenedby this German group that

created a breakawaycivilization using technology

they obtained from the Draco and this Agarthan group

under the Himalayans.

>>DAVID: Do you think theseAgarthans are the reason why

the Germans became so obsessedwith blonde hair and blue eyes

and said it was a master race?

>>GOODE: Most likely.

>>DAVID: What did theAgarthans tell the Germans

about themselves?

Where did they say they were from?

>>GOODE: I believe they said they

were from the Pleiades orsomething like that originally.

>>DAVID: So take us now throughthe origin of the space program

based on these contacts.

First of all, did the Draco and the Agarthans

get along with each other?

Did they know about each other?

Did they have some kind of partnership?

>>GOODE: They had an understanding.

They weren't allies.

The Draco do not to play well with others that

don't bow before their feet.

But they had an understandingto stay out of each other's hair

and scales.

>>DAVID: So how does thisturn into space travel?

Who gave the Germans the space travel capability?

How did that develop?

Because obviously they're notgoing to build a space program

without space travel.

>>GOODE: Right.

Well the Germans, they were very intelligent.

And they had already made somepretty excellent discoveries

on their own from observingnature and the fact that,

unlike in the West-- like I saidbefore-- they didn't separate

science from spiritualityand some esoteric beliefs.

They actually would use someesoteric beliefs, some of what

we would call magic or black magic,

at the same time they used science.

They mixed it.

And this actually gave them an edge.

>>DAVID: Did you ever run across the work

of Viktor Schauberger in anyof the documentation you saw?

>>GOODE: Yes.

Yeah, he originally studiedthe fish, or the trout,

travelling up the stream,up the waterfalls and stuff.

>>DAVID: It appears that Schauberger

saw that there was some kind ofantigravity effect with trout

and salmon swimming up a 30 foot high waterfall

and just gliding their way up.

>>GOODE: Yeah, OK.

>>DAVID: So did youencounter any information

suggesting that Schauberger was on the right track,

that he actually did invent something real?

>>GOODE: There were not only him.

There were several German and Polish

and I believe other scientists that

were having some pretty goodinteresting breakthroughs that

had that information confiscated and brought

into these secret societies.

>>DAVID: Did these extraterrestrial groups,

like the Draco and the Agarthans,

give assistance to the Germans at some point

so they could perfect or make agreater development of progress

with what they were already working on?

>>GOODE: Yes.

They had already started tobuild some pretty interesting

devices based on someancient texts and information

they had found on the Vimana, creating mercury vortex

electrogravitic devices that created

a gravity-canceling technology.

>>DAVID: When you say mercury vortex,

what are you referring to?

What would this technology look like

if we were going to see it?

>>GOODE: Basically in a glasscylinder with mercury in it,

they would spin it atextremely high velocities and--

>>DAVID: Like a ring, a glass ring?

>>GOODE: In a glass cylinder.

>>DAVID: Oh, a vertical cylinder.

>>GOODE: Right.

>>DAVID: OK.

>>GOODE: Or sometimes in a--

>>DAVID: Sphere?

>>GOODE: Sphere.

But usually it was in a cylinder.

And then form the top and the bottom

they would spin it at very high velocities

and then apply very high voltage to it.

>>DAVID: And that causes the antigravity?

>>GOODE: Yes.

And then they started doingcounter rotating copper

plates as well-- involved in it as well.

>>DAVID: So I know one of the books

that I've seen that really talksabout this Bell craft quite

a bit is "The Hunt forZero Point," by Nick Cook.

He's done a lot of really original research

on this subject.

To your knowledge, when was the first Bell craft

actually constructed andbecame operational, at least

they got some kind of an effect out of it?

>>GOODE: Not quite sure.

I can't really rememberthe exact dates and details

from what I was reading.

They were doing that stuff in the early '40s.

I do remember some of theaccounts I read about the Bell.

I remember they had several that they

had tethered that had brokeloose from the tethering

and had pretty much just disappeared.

>>DAVID: Really?

>>GOODE: And then they had others.

It was a process, a scientific process.

And supposedly therewere some scientists that

died from getting too close.

And they had some explosions.

They had a lot of problems getting that started.

>>DAVID: Did they have little propellers

that whirled the mercuryaround inside the cylinder?

Or how did they make it move?

>>GOODE: From what I understood, there

was an actual huge electricalcable that went to it

and fed electricity to motorsthat spun very high RPMs

and spun the mercury around.

And interesting thing that happened,

something that was dealt with later,

is they discovered that heavyelectricity-- I mean seriously

heavy electricity-- applied to mercury

causes the mercury to turn into gold.

>>DAVID: Really?

Like alchemy.

>>GOODE: Like alchemy.

And these cylinders, glass cylinders,

kept the mercury-- kept turningto a coral-looking gold.

And this was seen as a problem.

Creating gold was seen as a problem.

>>DAVID: Why?

Why would that matter?

Wouldn't they want gold?

>>GOODE: No, they needed agolem metal, liquid metal,

that would stay liquid athigh temperatures, high RPMs,

and that would conductelectricity for long periods

of time without transmuting.

And they eventually engineereda different liquid metal.

>>DAVID: But what would happen to the craft

if it starts turning into gold?

>>GOODE: It becomes unstable and crashes.

>>DAVID: Really?

Very interesting.

Did the Draco or the Agarthansgive them direct assistance

to make this Bell craft work better,

to solve the gold problem, as one example?

>>GOODE: Yes.

It was after they got to a certain point

of technological achievementand ongoing diplomatic relations

with both these groups that they started

getting scientific help inthe form of liaisons coming in

and helping them, almostlike scientist exchanges.

And once they developed astable, working, antigravitic

craft, they then started to form more and more

of breakaway society fromthe German dictatorship,

or the German leadership, and started

to keep more things secretand do things their own way.

>>DAVID: So you're sayingthis is not necessarily Nazi?

>>GOODE: No.

>>DAVID: It's more the German,occult secret societies?

>>GOODE: Right, those secret societies

ended up creating Nazism.

>>DAVID: But Nazism broke awayfrom them somehow and didn't

adhere to what they wanted?

>>GOODE: I guess.

That was more of a mainstreamgovernment, control the people

kind of thing.

They were more interested in starting

their own breakaway civilization that

had nothing to do with any groups,

to have their own civilization,their own master race,

their own space program.

They had high ideas.

>>DAVID: In "The Hunt forZero Point," Nick Cook,

doing his research on this Bell craft,

said that the Nazi code name for the project

was Chronos, which means time.

And he said, in the book, that--and this was based on documents

that he was able to find--that apparently time

started to get weird when theybegan playing around with this.

Did you encounter anyinformation of that sort?

>>GOODE: Yeah, when you're playing

with electrogravitictechnology, time and space,

the veil between them thins.

So you start to have anomalies.

>>DAVID: So what would bean example of an anomaly?

>>GOODE: Well an anomaly would be

you would travel-- any time you're traveling

at a certain speed, not onlyare you traveling a distance,

you're traveling in time.

And if they create a situationto where they jump from one

place to another really quickly,they have not only jumped

in space, but they have also time travelled.

>>DAVID: Wow.

>>GOODE: So it starts toblur, the time-space veil

starts to blur.

>>DAVID: Well, we're outof time for this episode.

But I think what we're going to have to do

is continue this discussion.

Because we haven't even really gotten

into how these German occult societies then

made their way into space.

And I want to just stay right on this track.

So next time coming up, we're going

to take this very interesting discussion

and really blow it out into the cosmos

and get into informationthat until I met you I really

had never heard before.

This is some of the mostheavily-guarded insider stuff.

Even the insiders who knowwhat they're talking about

typically don't want to tell you this.

But we're just going torelease it all on the show.

Because as you've said, the Alliance

wants this stuff to come out now.

And it's a great honor to have you

here so we can start to bring out

more and more of the suppressed history

of our own 20th century.

So Corey, again, thank you for being here.

And I'm really glad that you'vedecided to do this with us.

>>GOODE: Thank you.

>>DAVID: All right.

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