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- [Raj Voiceover] The
central part of my work
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is the fact that
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no matter age,
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race, size, whatever,
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it doesn't matter.
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Your body deserves pleasure.
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- [Oscar Voiceover]
The reason that I like
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providing the service
is because it allows me
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to really be present with that
person who's in front of me
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to make sure that I give
them the most of my attention
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so that they feel like they're
being heard, understood.
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- [Rogue Status Voiceover]
In some way or another,
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I'm kind of this sexual
teacher, rubber, and leather,
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and knot tying, and shibari,
and BDSM play, and limits,
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and what's right, what's
wrong, how to navigate
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and trust and bond with
your partner in that way.
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- [Jon Voiceover] There's
still that taboo of,
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oh, you hired
someone for sex work.
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That must mean
something about you.
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These are people that
want human compassion,
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want touch, want a massage,
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want, you know, the same
thing that everyone else does.
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- [Rogue Status] I think
people lie to themselves
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about what their wants and needs
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and desires are for so long.
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It's a way for them
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that they can actually be
themselves for a minute.
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- [Oscar] Touch doesn't
always necessarily
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have to mean intimacy, and
intimacy doesn't always
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have to mean a
romantic situation.
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We can separate those things.
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- [Raj] That separation
needs to happen.
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Sex means so many other
things than what it is.
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It's just like another way
of expressing yourself,
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another way that your body
receives any kind of healing.
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- [Jon] Lots of people
don't have the same benefits
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of just that human interaction.
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And it really is more of
kind of like a healing,
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kind of relaxing, you
know, human contact.
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- The more that we live
behind our screens,
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the more we forget to
actually keep connected.
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I think most people,
in their regular lives,
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if anything, they
receive a handshake.
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But for the majority of us,
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we don't really get a lot of
wanted physical affection.
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So professional
cuddler is someone
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who dedicates themselves to
providing affection and intimacy
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in a platonic way
to those who seek it
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or who find are missing it
from their everyday lives.
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So a lot of people
have the misconception
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that it's just a
coverup for sex work.
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So when we talked in the cafe,
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you mentioned that you
wanna kinda start off things
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to test sort of those boundaries
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- with me.
- Yes.
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- I do find that there's
value in having conversations
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around sex, sexuality
and sex work
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because they're part of our life
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and there's no denying them.
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But the biggest
thing that I always
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have to drive home
with people is that,
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no, there is room for
a platonic service.
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- The service I provide
is a bit more of a
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sir dom BDSM kind of
clientele relationship.
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I'm mostly in charge
and a sir or dom.
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I'm Raj.
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I escort.
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What it is is I hold space
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for people to
experience pleasure.
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Initially, what was
stopping me from doing it,
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I thought it was about,
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I'm like, "Oh, I'm not
attractive enough."
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Much in the same way, initially,
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when I got into go-go dancing,
it was very much about,
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okay, what does
your body look like?
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But then, you know, I
had this realization
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where whatever it is that
you uniquely give out there
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that's you, if
people respond to it,
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then that's what
they're looking for.
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- And that's why this
kind of platform is there,
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because there's a
plethora to choose from.
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Also, I just constantly
remind myself
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that I'm always
somebody's cup of tea.
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I'm constantly having repeat
clients, which is great.
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Anyone can fuck and be a bottom,
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but if you can actually
provide a mind fuck
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at the same time, then
you got something else.
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The nice thing about this work
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is people are
looking at my picture
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and booking me because of me.
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They know what they're
getting basically
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when they're booking
with me anyway.
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My only fear was what if I
just don't like doing it.
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But that didn't happen.
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I actually really enjoyed it.
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One of my favorite parts
during the massages,
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I'll get on their back and
just lie on top of them.
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And it's amazing having
people just feel that weight,
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kind of just that being held,
having a tight bear hug.
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That's when they get
really comfortable
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and just kind of, you know,
you've had a nice moment,
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and you know, you can go on.
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You're able to see the journey
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from when they are in
their heads and being like,
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"Oh, my god, what's going on,"
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and then at the
end of the session,
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them being completely
in their bodies.
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And I'm like that's why I do it.
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[Andrew] I moved.
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I've been here two and a
half years now, three years.
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Two and a half years, so 2016.
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2016, June, I moved.
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One of my favorite
qualities of Raj
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is that he will actively listen
to you and pay attention,
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and he'll also share some of
his own personal experiences
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of like how his day is going.
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- Hug my pillow, yeah,
exactly. [laughs]
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- [Andrew] It's so cheesy
but it's adorable--
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I know.
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Because it's not...
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And I think that
builds connection.
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So when we're having sex,
it's like you're having sex
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with a real person,
and that's nice.
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- And a lot of the clients
that I have are the ones
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that it's their first
time experiencing something like this.
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And when they first show
up, they've never been,
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you know, with
another man before
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or haven't experienced
anything like this.
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And I've had,
actually, a client,
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he had trouble kind of
actually even being naked.
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He said, "Thank
you for helping me,
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"bringing me from me
head into my heart,
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"because I was so
scared of intimacy
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"but you helped me
do that and realize
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"that my body is deserving of
pleasure however it looks."
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- What Raj and I do together
in a session is we chat.
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He comes in and we say hello,
and we say, "How's your day?"
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It takes away any weird
power imbalances of like
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he's a sex worker providing
a service and I'm the lonely,
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sad client that needs to
get off with a sex worker.
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It takes all that away
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and it turns it into
we're just two dudes.
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So we'll have that
comfortable chat,
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then we'll move into
like some making out
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and some touching
and some body stuff.
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It's so variant
in what it can be.
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We don't decide
we're gonna do this,
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and here's a checklist of
things I expect from you.
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- The physical part of things
might start a lot later.
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It might start right
at the beginning.
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It depends on whatever
energy you're bringing,
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what each person is bringing in.
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It's not for what we do,
but it's the time spent,
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that is what they're paying for.
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Whatever sort of
happens between us
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is whatever happens between us.
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So I know a lot of people
might have an a la carte menu,
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like this is for this much.
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And for me, personally,
I'm not a vending machine.
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And keeping that sense of
just going with the flow,
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they get surprised because
they end up feeling things
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that they never thought
they would ever feel.
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The minute I go into,
"Oh, they look like this.
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"Oh, my god, how am I
gonna get turned on,"
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once again, then I'm
missing the point.
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So when it comes to
honoring somebody's body,
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I can't be in my head.
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I have to be, and tap into
that unique part of me
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that connects with them so
they are able to feel good
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in however shape, in whatever
place, in however they are.
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There you go.
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- My stage name is Rogue
Status, and I identify with that
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as a deviation of
a standard variety.
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There's a lot of negative
definitions of the word rogue,
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but one of them specifically
is a deviation of a norm.
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And I'm definitely not run of
the mill and never have been.
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So,
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I left home quite early
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and kind of had survival
mode from a really early age.
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I guess it kind of was
a bit of a catalyst
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for me to get into sex work
because when you need money,
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you do things that
you're not, you know,
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that you wouldn't normally
think you would do.
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I used Rentman, I
used to use Rentboy
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before the whole
thing went down.
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To protect myself and clientele.
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I have a disclaimer that my
payment is strictly for my time
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because whatever
happens in that time
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is between consenting adults.
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Anyone can hire
somebody for time.
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It usually starts with a
quick phone conversation,
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usually over text or
a quick phone call
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if it's very
specific requirements
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that they're interested in.
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I like to narrow it down
to what the timeframe is
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and what they wanna do.
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I usually arrive,
take care of business,
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which means finances first
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because it takes that awkward
element out of the way,
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which is always awkward.
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Quick freshen up,
and that's usually
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doing my shot of
Trimix to make sure
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that my boy's good to go
even if I'm not using it.
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Trimix, it's a
triple-mix injection
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that you put into the shaft
of your penis to hyper dilate
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the cavernosa and keep you
hard for quite some time.
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Sometimes I fake my
orgasm, most times,
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unless they really wanna see it.
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But most of the time, it's
not about me getting off.
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I cringe at the thought
of touching any stranger.
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I also cringe at the thought
of being touched most times.
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I try to find something sexy
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about each person that I'm
with and focus on that.
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People think that you
can just go and get hard
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and do your thing
and get paid and go,
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but it's a lot more than that.
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And the majority of the
time, I don't even get hard.
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And I use Trimix because when
you're filming in a movie,
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you know, you don't have
to be hard for two hours.
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You have to be hard
for many hours.
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Not bad, not bad.
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But one more time, and slow.
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- [Rogue Status] What you guys
all see in that 21 minutes
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was actually eight hours.
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I've been filming with
Mainline Studios for about,
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I don't know, 10 years plus now.
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Up against the fucking wall.
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Yes, sir.
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- You know, a decade ago,
when I started filming,
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your pay scale was quite a big
difference to what it is now.
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Porn is basically your promotion
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for your brand at this point.
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I travel all the time for work.
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I live very rural,
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but I also have full-time
construction work
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because it's equally
as good money.
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I think it's really
beneficial to have
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an element of both worlds.
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Otherwise, you're gonna get
lost in your character too much.
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That is one of the
reasons why I go back
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to my spot in the bush
because I can get grounded
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and reconnected to who
I am after going rogue.
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Rogue Status was actually
a performer at big events
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and parties before branching
off into a porn career.
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By the time I had
already got there,
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I had already built this
brand and alter ego.
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So Rogue Status
is everything else
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that I haven't been
able to be myself.
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- I've been called
Kitten Bear for a while.
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It was my online
name for a while,
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or for Scruff for a while.
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I never identified with
the puppy side of things.
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I'm too independent.
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I'll come and play with you
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and then I'm gonna
go do my own thing.
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And so Kitten kind of
just worked for me.
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But Kitten didn't
really describe it
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because I was bigger than that.
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And so Kitten Bear kind of
came from cuddly like a kitten,
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big like a bear.
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And when I met
Nigel, he was the one
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that really grasped on
that and jumped on that.
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He's like, "Oh, that's
your Scruff name?
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"Why shouldn't this be
your Instagram name?
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"This is what I'm gonna
call you from now on."
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I grew up in Alberta, in a
very small Mormon community.
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And as you grow up
and leave, you know,
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I'd say it took four or five
years to get fully comfortable.
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I'd say now, I'm fairly
well adjusted to, you know,
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a new life and just my life.
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I have an Instagram.
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It's something that me and
Nigel started more as kind of
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a fun like, oh, let's see how
many followers we can get.
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One of the business
opportunities that took off
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kind of from Instagram,
Twitter, things like that
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was a site called OnlyFans
where people basically pay
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whatever monthly fee
that you're charging
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for access to all of the
content that you post.
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And so, you know, for us, we
post, you know, naked pictures.
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We have friends over
to have sex with.
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It's a porn shop for us.
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For other people, it's fitness.
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You can do anything you want.
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It actually became fairly
lucrative, for Nigel especially,
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when we actually started
throwing parties together.
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It really kind of took off
where, oh, this is something
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that can really help
in so many ways,
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just having that much influence
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as far as number of people
seeing what you're offering.
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And so, I mean, there's
OnlyFans, which is that.
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We have the parties
that are going on,
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and it's only increasing there.
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I'm doing massage
right now as well.
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No, for sure.
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What I offer is an hour
of sensual massage.
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So what that means is that
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we can both be
naked if you'd like.
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It's a lot of touching
on my side to you,
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lots of body contact,
lots of that,
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and then mutual
touching as well.
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Some people, they'll
wear a jockstrap.
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They won't even be
naked for the massage.
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Other people will
go all the way,
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and you know, they'll have
sex at the end of the session.
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It's my control.
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It's whatever I feel
comfortable with, and obviously,
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what the client feels
comfortable with as well.
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One client came and I was like,
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"Oh, do you get massages often?"
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He was like, "Yeah, I
go probably every week."
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And he's like, "I just
like to be touched.
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"I just like to have
that human interaction."
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The boner parties are
really interesting and fun.
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That's probably one of the
things I'm most excited to go.
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It's my favorite
time of the month.
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How the party started was we
both come from big families,
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both me and Nigel.
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And so we were used to having
people over all the time.
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And so we'd throw house
parties, and then we'd invite
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our closest friends, and
there'll be like 40 or 50.
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And eventually, it
was a hundred people
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that were coming to our
house for these parties.
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It's a dance party
where there's no rules.
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And so there's a candy table.
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You can go and, you know,
eat everything you want,
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which is one of my
favorite things.
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Food is the fastest
way to my heart.
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So if you add food anywhere,
I'm automatically sold.
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I like dancing.
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I like food.
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I like sex.
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I mean, all three, all combined,
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and I don't have to clean up
the mess, I'm in. [chuckles]
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Really, the core of the people
that go is the hundred people
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that come to our parties, and
they invite their friends.
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So it's a really
close-knit group of people
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that all get along.
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One of the themes for boner
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is come in whatever makes
you feel comfortable.
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And so you don't
have to go naked.
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You don't have wear lipstick.
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If you wanna wear
a dress, you can.
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If you wanna wear
a wig, you can.
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If you wanna go naked, you can.
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Do whatever makes you happy.
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And that's kind of how we
view our relationship as well.
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Do what makes you happy,
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and the people that
complement your life,
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the people that will fit,
they're gonna fit in there.
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[upbeat music]
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- There is a lot of stigma
around asking someone
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to give you cuddles for a fee.
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Do you prefer this or this?
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- I think I like it the
other way, like this way,
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with the, so that I feel
like I'm being hugged.
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Yeah, exactly.
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That's great.
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The big thing that we're
trying to address here
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with professional
cuddling is that we want
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all cuddling and any form
of physical connection
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to be asked for and received
in a respectful manner.
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Can I trace your eyebrows
and like your face?
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- Mm-hmm.
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Yeah.
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'Cause I always like
people tracing on my face.
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I think that this
practice as a whole
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can be a great
conversation starter
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to get people really
thinking about, you know,
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what their own preferences are,
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and also being able to stand
by their own boundaries
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but also respect other
people's boundaries.
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Michelle, can I give you a hug?
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[Michelle] No, thank you.
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Perfect.
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You wanna give it a try?
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Oscar, can I
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touch your ear?
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One of the things that we do
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is called the no,
thank you exercise.
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The point of the exercise
is to make three to five
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simple requests, but then
the goal of the other partner
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is to say, "No, thank you."
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Can I pat your thigh?
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No, thank you.
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And the point of this exercise
is to reinforce that a no
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doesn't necessarily have
to be a negative thing.
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We don't have to accommodate
for the other person.
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It's about what you feel and
what you want to get out of it.
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- Mm-hmm.
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Okay.
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So the next one is
called the ask and wait.
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So now, when I wanna ask,
I wanna make a request,
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you have three choices.
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You can either say,
"Yes, I would like that,"
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"No, thank you," or you
can suggest something else.
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So you can say, "No, thank you,
402
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"but I would like to receive x."
403
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So the ask and wait
method is more so
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to create that understanding
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that you don't have to make
the choice out of guilt.
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Only do things that
you want to do.
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Cool, um.
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[Oscar laughs]
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- All right, so how is
this feeling right now?
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Good.
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I think that I'm full.
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Yes.
413
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- I remember there was one
of the positions in the book
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with just like the
leg and the arm
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- sort of like hooked.
- Okay.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Do you wanna try that one?
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Yeah.
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Okay.
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I like to start off the session
with giving them, you know,
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three simple poses,
a good hug, you know,
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even just interlocking
hands, and then the eye gaze
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to kinda get them started
with that level of intimacy.
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And then we go from there.
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- Like if my leg gets pins
and needles or something,
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I'll be like, "Let's
move on from this."
427
00:18:47,655 --> 00:18:48,586
Let's switch it up. [chuckles]
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And switch it up.
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So that's like a nice comfort.
430
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- So with cuddling, we're
open to taking any clients
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regardless of like sex,
race, identity, gender,
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anything like that.
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But I am predominantly
looking to help out
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professional women, the reason
being because right now,
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as it stands in the
cuddling industry,
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there are more female cuddlers
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and there are more male clients.
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Touch-based services have always
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catered more to male clientele.
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Where I see myself in
the grand scope of things
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as a gay man, it's a
good opportunity for me
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to sort of give female
clients that male attention
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with that extra layer
of that I'm for sure
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not gonna try to give any
sexual advances with them.
445
00:19:36,275 --> 00:19:39,517
- Yeah, and I feel like if
I did something like this,
446
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I don't know, every few
weeks or even once a month,
447
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whatever the case may be, that
I might feel more comfortable
448
00:19:45,275 --> 00:19:46,793
with my own physical body.
449
00:19:46,793 --> 00:19:48,413
I feel like I feel a little bit
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out of touch with
that sometimes,
451
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and doing something like
this, I already feel
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like I'm feeling
each part of my body
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in a way that's nice
and strong and secure,
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and I don't feel
stressed or uncomfortable
455
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that you're expecting
something else than what it is.
456
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So yeah, it's nice.
457
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- And if you are someone who,
you know, is already working,
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you know, eight to 10
hours or more at your job
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and all you want to
do is just feel held,
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you know, going through the
courtship of either going out
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to a bar or even logging
on to social media apps,
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all of that takes effort and
it takes emotional effort too.
463
00:20:35,724 --> 00:20:37,931
- There's a lot of, you
know, successful people
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that don't have time to go,
you know, on social sites
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to spend an hour, hour
and a half, half an hour
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finding someone that
likely isn't gonna be good.
467
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It's easier to be like,
"Oh, I know I'm gonna have
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"a good time with so and so.
469
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"I'm gonna call you
so it's just easy.
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"It's looked after."
471
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- I was looking for
relationships on the apps.
472
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I was looking for
sex on the apps.
473
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I was doing all the
things that we all do,
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and I wasn't getting anywhere.
475
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I was brushing up against
ableism constantly,
476
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dealing with discrimination
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against my disability
all the time.
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[Raj] That was your bum.
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[Andrew] My bum.
480
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Your bum. [chuckles]
481
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- Make sure that I don't
fly across the room.
482
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Being just discouraged
that one day I decided
483
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that, okay, let me go on these
sites and see what I can do.
484
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And it's not anybody giving
it to me out of charity.
485
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It's me actively deciding
this is what I want.
486
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The marginalized community of
individuals with disabilities,
487
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their access to their bodies
488
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and their access to their
own sexuality is so limited
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by financial things,
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by stigma around
disability and sexuality.
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So especially in queer male
spaces, we can't go to the gym,
492
00:22:04,793 --> 00:22:07,517
can't access certain
social things we do,
493
00:22:07,517 --> 00:22:09,137
can't access all
the clubs we go to,
494
00:22:09,137 --> 00:22:11,275
can't access the
community the way we do,
495
00:22:11,275 --> 00:22:15,000
are assumed to be asexual or
non-sexual by our community,
496
00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:20,000
so we don't tend to have a lot
of success in going on dates.
497
00:22:29,103 --> 00:22:32,344
Putting aside that money,
there's a power play,
498
00:22:32,344 --> 00:22:35,724
a really positive power
play of me deciding
499
00:22:35,724 --> 00:22:38,758
that this is money that
I want to use for this.
500
00:22:38,758 --> 00:22:43,034
I love pre-booking because
it means that I can buy
501
00:22:43,034 --> 00:22:46,206
two or three sessions
and know that,
502
00:22:46,206 --> 00:22:48,172
okay, for the next month,
my sex is figured out.
503
00:22:48,172 --> 00:22:50,586
I have it figured out.
504
00:22:50,586 --> 00:22:53,827
It's a very selfish, a
positively selfish act.
505
00:22:53,827 --> 00:22:56,344
- I know how good that
feels when you have
506
00:22:56,344 --> 00:23:01,241
that part of you expressed
and that part of you nurtured.
507
00:23:01,241 --> 00:23:05,000
It's been a journey as with
my acceptance of my own body.
508
00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:08,344
Being South Asian,
there's like that sense
509
00:23:08,344 --> 00:23:11,344
of being less than because
you're usually seeing bodies
510
00:23:11,344 --> 00:23:14,137
that are white having sex
when you're watching porn
511
00:23:14,137 --> 00:23:17,206
or in movies or in
things like that.
512
00:23:17,206 --> 00:23:18,482
It creates these things.
513
00:23:18,482 --> 00:23:20,000
Or if your body has to
look a particular way,
514
00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:21,448
it's more deserving of pleasure
515
00:23:21,448 --> 00:23:23,103
than if your body
looks this way.
516
00:23:23,103 --> 00:23:28,103
You deserve love, pleasure,
intimacy no matter how you look.
517
00:23:34,517 --> 00:23:36,862
So the benefit of
a repeat client
518
00:23:36,862 --> 00:23:39,206
is you really get
to know somebody,
519
00:23:39,206 --> 00:23:43,655
how their body
receives pleasure.
520
00:23:43,655 --> 00:23:47,965
And you feel the healing kind
of happen within the person.
521
00:23:50,448 --> 00:23:51,862
It's an awesome part.
522
00:23:51,862 --> 00:23:53,379
That's like the main,
obviously, the central reason
523
00:23:53,379 --> 00:23:57,344
why I do it, because I thin
we take on these conditions
524
00:23:57,344 --> 00:24:00,482
that we see in media and
in porn and whatever,
525
00:24:00,482 --> 00:24:04,000
and they'll be like," Oh,
this is supposed to happen,"
526
00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:05,241
or, "This is
supposed to happen."
527
00:24:05,241 --> 00:24:08,689
And I think with porn
and stuff like that,
528
00:24:08,689 --> 00:24:13,206
I think there's a lot of
power given to sex means this.
529
00:24:14,206 --> 00:24:15,862
It's penetrative.
530
00:24:15,862 --> 00:24:17,206
But there are so many other ways
531
00:24:17,206 --> 00:24:20,448
your body can experience sex.
532
00:24:20,448 --> 00:24:24,000
And the thing is I
think through my work,
533
00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:29,000
I wanna be able to help people
understand their bodies.
534
00:24:30,206 --> 00:24:31,655
And I think that's
what's so amazing,
535
00:24:31,655 --> 00:24:34,655
because I think it
teaches people that
536
00:24:36,517 --> 00:24:38,827
there's so much possibilities
when it comes to their body.
537
00:24:38,827 --> 00:24:40,275
There are so many
things that you can feel
538
00:24:40,275 --> 00:24:41,517
that you don't even know.
539
00:24:45,448 --> 00:24:46,689
Now I'm warm.
540
00:24:46,689 --> 00:24:47,758
[Raj] There you go.
541
00:24:50,448 --> 00:24:51,482
- Depending on the
scene with the client,
542
00:24:51,482 --> 00:24:52,758
I can feel really good about it
543
00:24:52,758 --> 00:24:54,413
or I can feel
really bad about it.
544
00:24:54,413 --> 00:24:56,793
Clients don't know their
limits and want me to push them
545
00:24:56,793 --> 00:25:00,689
further than they're
capable of to the point of
546
00:25:00,689 --> 00:25:03,000
broken skin, or blood,
547
00:25:05,137 --> 00:25:06,689
or very extreme heavy play.
548
00:25:06,689 --> 00:25:09,172
Even for me, that's
pretty extreme.
549
00:25:09,172 --> 00:25:12,551
It takes me a minute to
regroup after, sometimes a day.
550
00:25:12,551 --> 00:25:14,034
I don't want anyone to get hurt.
551
00:25:14,034 --> 00:25:15,896
I don't want anyone to get sick.
552
00:25:15,896 --> 00:25:18,172
So scat play is out.
553
00:25:18,172 --> 00:25:22,000
Anything with blood and
serious pain is out.
554
00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:25,000
When it comes to BDSM,
there is an element
555
00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:26,931
of pain and pleasure
involved with it,
556
00:25:26,931 --> 00:25:31,517
but I'm not about inflicting
heavy bodily harm on people.
557
00:25:31,517 --> 00:25:33,482
When I go to work, it's
completely different
558
00:25:33,482 --> 00:25:37,000
than what my sex life
at home is going to be.
559
00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:39,000
I don't really wanna
have that crossover,
560
00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:40,517
like I don't wanna
bring work home.
561
00:25:40,517 --> 00:25:44,448
I do have elements of
BDSM play that I like
562
00:25:44,448 --> 00:25:48,689
in my personal sex life, but
that's more about bonding
563
00:25:48,689 --> 00:25:51,758
and creating connection
and trust and safety.
564
00:25:51,758 --> 00:25:55,275
One of the best ways to
feel safe and comfortable
565
00:25:55,275 --> 00:25:57,068
with somebody is to
be tied up by them
566
00:25:57,068 --> 00:26:00,344
because you have to really let
yourself go somewhere else.
567
00:26:00,344 --> 00:26:04,172
And it's gonna be cathartic,
and you might cry.
568
00:26:07,448 --> 00:26:11,344
Sex work affects almost
every relationship I have.
569
00:26:11,344 --> 00:26:14,034
Everybody has a negative
stigma based around it
570
00:26:14,034 --> 00:26:15,862
as far as I can see.
571
00:26:15,862 --> 00:26:18,724
Dating somebody that's
not in the trade
572
00:26:18,724 --> 00:26:21,724
or hasn't done the
trade, you know,
573
00:26:21,724 --> 00:26:24,965
again, trying to convince
them of work being separate
574
00:26:24,965 --> 00:26:27,862
from personal life is
next to impossible.
575
00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:31,344
- I think sex and kind
of our views on sex
576
00:26:31,344 --> 00:26:33,862
is changing drastically.
577
00:26:33,862 --> 00:26:36,517
I definitely think
religion had a long hold
578
00:26:36,517 --> 00:26:38,000
that people don't
realize is there,
579
00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:40,379
but religion set up
what sex should be.
580
00:26:40,379 --> 00:26:43,931
It should be man and wife,
depending on your religion,
581
00:26:43,931 --> 00:26:46,068
when you're trying to have kids.
582
00:26:46,068 --> 00:26:48,620
Even with OnlyFans
and things like that,
583
00:26:48,620 --> 00:26:51,793
I think that that helps the
sex image because before,
584
00:26:51,793 --> 00:26:53,551
you had studios and
kind of what was,
585
00:26:53,551 --> 00:26:55,896
oh, this is what it looks like.
586
00:26:55,896 --> 00:26:57,137
Whereas with OnlyFans,
587
00:26:57,137 --> 00:26:59,413
it really is us and our
friends just having sex.
588
00:26:59,413 --> 00:27:01,172
We set up a tripod
on the counter
589
00:27:01,172 --> 00:27:03,241
and then just enjoy ourselves.
590
00:27:03,241 --> 00:27:05,103
And so it kind of
takes away of like,
591
00:27:05,103 --> 00:27:06,724
oh, people talk during sex.
592
00:27:06,724 --> 00:27:07,655
Oh, you know what?
593
00:27:07,655 --> 00:27:09,137
There's gonna be a mistake.
594
00:27:09,137 --> 00:27:10,620
Sometimes it's gonna be
like, oh, it didn't work.
595
00:27:10,620 --> 00:27:12,103
Or this doesn't work, or
you'll try to say something.
596
00:27:12,103 --> 00:27:15,482
And today, we're gonna make
for you guys a beef stir fry.
597
00:27:15,482 --> 00:27:16,620
Let's get naked.
598
00:27:16,620 --> 00:27:17,448
Perfect.
599
00:27:19,137 --> 00:27:21,172
But it's nice because
you see a different side
600
00:27:21,172 --> 00:27:22,310
that's light and funny.
601
00:27:24,862 --> 00:27:26,206
All right, let's get started.
602
00:27:26,206 --> 00:27:27,413
It's fun.
603
00:27:27,413 --> 00:27:28,620
It's all of our
friends and lovers.
604
00:27:28,620 --> 00:27:29,551
It's not these strangers
that you don't know
605
00:27:29,551 --> 00:27:31,000
and have no connection with.
606
00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:32,827
Invite the people that
you're most close with,
607
00:27:32,827 --> 00:27:34,413
that you want to spend
the most time with,
608
00:27:34,413 --> 00:27:36,793
and invite them
into the bedroom.
609
00:27:36,793 --> 00:27:38,137
You will have a better time
610
00:27:38,137 --> 00:27:39,551
than someone that
you don't know.
611
00:27:39,551 --> 00:27:41,931
And the best part about
relationships is that
612
00:27:41,931 --> 00:27:43,310
it can be anything
you want it to be.
613
00:27:43,310 --> 00:27:45,517
And I think that's
where religion has had
614
00:27:45,517 --> 00:27:47,896
such a negative impact, is
it's this is what it must be.
615
00:27:47,896 --> 00:27:51,000
And so soon as you deviate
from that, it's different.
616
00:27:56,103 --> 00:27:57,689
I had a previous relationship
617
00:27:57,689 --> 00:28:01,620
where the sex and intimacy
were kind of as one.
618
00:28:01,620 --> 00:28:03,068
So I remember coming
out of that relationship
619
00:28:03,068 --> 00:28:07,724
and it was very like, I felt
like super fucked up about sex.
620
00:28:07,724 --> 00:28:10,137
It was this thing where
I realized the only times
621
00:28:10,137 --> 00:28:14,206
that I was sober was when
I was like with clients.
622
00:28:14,206 --> 00:28:16,034
Like I was just like, okay,
so I can do this work,
623
00:28:16,034 --> 00:28:20,517
but I'm like, I have some
healing to do within myself.
624
00:28:20,517 --> 00:28:23,310
To be able to help people
condition that part
625
00:28:23,310 --> 00:28:25,655
is something that I
feel like is a very,
626
00:28:25,655 --> 00:28:27,620
I think is very important,
especially when it comes
627
00:28:27,620 --> 00:28:32,000
to gay men and our bodies
and what that means.
628
00:28:34,965 --> 00:28:36,655
- When a client goes
on to my website,
629
00:28:36,655 --> 00:28:38,068
in order to book a session,
630
00:28:38,068 --> 00:28:40,103
they'll see the
cuddling commandments.
631
00:28:40,103 --> 00:28:43,896
So these are the 10 basic
ground rules that we have
632
00:28:43,896 --> 00:28:45,413
with regards to the
cuddling session,
633
00:28:45,413 --> 00:28:48,551
which means that you have to
be at least 18 years of age.
634
00:28:48,551 --> 00:28:50,448
You have to be free of
mind-altering substances.
635
00:28:50,448 --> 00:28:53,103
You can't come drunk or
high or anything like that.
636
00:28:53,103 --> 00:28:56,689
It's basically talking about
how it's not a sexual service.
637
00:28:56,689 --> 00:28:59,206
And so once they agreed to
all that and they book a time,
638
00:28:59,206 --> 00:29:00,965
then it's up to the
client to decide
639
00:29:00,965 --> 00:29:03,206
whether they want to come
to the cuddler's space
640
00:29:03,206 --> 00:29:06,103
or host the cuddler
at their own space.
641
00:29:09,448 --> 00:29:11,000
And so if they're
coming to my space,
642
00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:14,206
what I'd like to do is I like
to get some nice music going.
643
00:29:15,379 --> 00:29:18,827
I have some sweetwood,
and I have some sage
644
00:29:18,827 --> 00:29:20,724
and incense that
I like to light.
645
00:29:22,620 --> 00:29:25,758
And then I prepare wherever
we're gonna be cuddling.
646
00:29:25,758 --> 00:29:27,827
So it could be on a couch.
647
00:29:27,827 --> 00:29:29,103
It could be on the ground.
648
00:29:29,103 --> 00:29:30,379
It can be on a bed.
649
00:29:33,413 --> 00:29:35,448
I always like to
encourage the clients
650
00:29:35,448 --> 00:29:38,137
to come with their own
ideas of cuddling positions
651
00:29:38,137 --> 00:29:41,551
that they like to try,
or to even think about
652
00:29:41,551 --> 00:29:45,413
examples of touch in their
lives that they have enjoyed.
653
00:29:45,413 --> 00:29:49,758
- Yeah, generally, scalp
touch is very therapeutic.
654
00:29:49,758 --> 00:29:50,689
Yeah?
655
00:29:50,689 --> 00:29:51,517
- Mm-hmm.
656
00:29:51,517 --> 00:29:52,448
Cool.
657
00:29:52,448 --> 00:29:53,275
So how about we start with that?
658
00:29:59,413 --> 00:30:02,551
I started my performing
career back in high school,
659
00:30:02,551 --> 00:30:05,379
doing musical theater,
which introduced me
660
00:30:05,379 --> 00:30:08,448
to the world of dance and
singing and just acting
661
00:30:08,448 --> 00:30:10,965
and general body awareness.
662
00:30:10,965 --> 00:30:13,931
I've noticed that a big
component of the acting
663
00:30:13,931 --> 00:30:16,068
and singing and even dancing,
664
00:30:16,068 --> 00:30:18,758
there's a big understanding
of breath work
665
00:30:18,758 --> 00:30:21,793
and the benefits that that
can bring along to our craft.
666
00:30:21,793 --> 00:30:24,413
So that's something that I
like to bring to our sessions.
667
00:30:24,413 --> 00:30:26,827
Say we're in the
middle of an embrace,
668
00:30:26,827 --> 00:30:29,517
like breathing together
can be very helpful
669
00:30:29,517 --> 00:30:31,310
and stress relieving.
670
00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:38,275
Very good, very good breath.
671
00:30:41,724 --> 00:30:45,413
Touch has an immensive
power to heal.
672
00:30:45,413 --> 00:30:49,586
Because we're being
taught to be so tough
673
00:30:49,586 --> 00:30:52,310
and show a tough face, a poker
face and not let the world
674
00:30:52,310 --> 00:30:56,275
see our problems, I think
that by reintroducing touch
675
00:30:56,275 --> 00:30:59,655
in a healthy platonic
way is a great way for us
676
00:30:59,655 --> 00:31:04,413
to remind ourselves that
it's okay to feel vulnerable,
677
00:31:04,413 --> 00:31:06,482
because it's so easy to
think that we're alone
678
00:31:06,482 --> 00:31:08,137
in all these things
that we're feeling.
679
00:31:08,137 --> 00:31:09,344
It's so easy.
680
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:22,689
If you ever feel
alone, something that you could always do
681
00:31:22,689 --> 00:31:26,310
is you can take your hand
and place it over your heart.
682
00:31:27,482 --> 00:31:29,137
And if you just slowly breathe,
683
00:31:34,137 --> 00:31:38,137
it's a great way for you
to reconnect with yourself
684
00:31:38,137 --> 00:31:40,448
and remind yourself
that you're here
685
00:31:40,448 --> 00:31:41,724
and that you're not alone.
686
00:31:41,724 --> 00:31:44,448
There are studies
that actually show
687
00:31:44,448 --> 00:31:49,413
that you placing your hand
over your heart and breathing
688
00:31:50,896 --> 00:31:54,137
will help you reconnect, and
it's almost as good as a hug.
689
00:31:54,137 --> 00:31:56,862
By you acknowledging and
connecting with yourself,
690
00:31:56,862 --> 00:31:59,137
it will allow you to
have deeper connections
691
00:31:59,137 --> 00:32:00,310
with other people too.
692
00:32:01,620 --> 00:32:02,827
[man speaks in foreign language]
693
00:32:02,827 --> 00:32:05,586
[group chuckles]
694
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:09,931
- I always say in order
to give of myself,
695
00:32:09,931 --> 00:32:12,724
I need to know how
to give to myself.
696
00:32:12,724 --> 00:32:15,000
I give to myself
through making sure
697
00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:18,172
having like a spiritual sort
of practice through meditation,
698
00:32:18,172 --> 00:32:21,413
through writing, through
my chosen family,
699
00:32:21,413 --> 00:32:26,413
and through also
having, you know,
700
00:32:27,586 --> 00:32:30,482
intimate experiences for
my own personal self.
701
00:32:33,896 --> 00:32:35,965
Then before a session,
it's so much easier for me
702
00:32:35,965 --> 00:32:38,413
to go from here to here,
'cause then I'm very much like,
703
00:32:38,413 --> 00:32:39,793
okay, it's all here.
704
00:32:40,965 --> 00:32:43,413
- I call on Raj because
I know he's reliable.
705
00:32:44,517 --> 00:32:47,413
I've worked with workers
who don't show up.
706
00:32:47,413 --> 00:32:50,551
That's important for me as
somebody who already lives
707
00:32:50,551 --> 00:32:53,000
on the margins of
trying to find [mumbles]
708
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:54,241
and trying to find connection.
709
00:32:54,241 --> 00:32:56,931
- So when it comes
to it being kind of
710
00:32:56,931 --> 00:32:59,862
about sexual
surrogacy and my work,
711
00:33:01,241 --> 00:33:05,034
I had a client actually
describe it as that, I remember.
712
00:33:05,034 --> 00:33:07,862
And he said, "I've
never heard an escort
713
00:33:07,862 --> 00:33:11,206
"speak about their work
in that way before.
714
00:33:11,206 --> 00:33:15,793
"And it sounds like you're
a surrogate or a conduit."
715
00:33:15,793 --> 00:33:17,034
I mean, whatever I do,
716
00:33:19,241 --> 00:33:20,241
it's healing work.
717
00:33:20,241 --> 00:33:21,689
It is what it is.
718
00:33:21,689 --> 00:33:25,586
When I got into my work, I
think it deepened my connections
719
00:33:25,586 --> 00:33:27,689
to the people who
matter in my life
720
00:33:27,689 --> 00:33:31,551
because I have a certain
understanding and truth
721
00:33:31,551 --> 00:33:35,655
in how I do my work and
why it's fulfilling for me.
722
00:33:35,655 --> 00:33:37,965
And if people can
see that in me,
723
00:33:37,965 --> 00:33:39,241
that means they can see me.
724
00:33:39,241 --> 00:33:41,620
All of my friends know what I do
725
00:33:41,620 --> 00:33:44,103
and understand why
it's important to me.
726
00:33:44,103 --> 00:33:47,827
And when you have that,
you're able to tap into
727
00:33:47,827 --> 00:33:51,862
your own intuition, which
that helps you in avoiding
728
00:33:51,862 --> 00:33:54,724
any potentially
dangerous situations.
729
00:33:54,724 --> 00:33:56,965
I've never had a bad experience.
730
00:33:56,965 --> 00:34:00,103
I've had one where
it could have been,
731
00:34:00,103 --> 00:34:03,000
but then I kind of like
listened to my inner voice
732
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:06,551
and got out before the
person even showed up,
733
00:34:06,551 --> 00:34:08,310
and I ended up being
right on my [mumbles].
734
00:34:08,310 --> 00:34:11,413
It was a good idea
that I did not stay.
735
00:34:11,413 --> 00:34:14,068
- You know, there's a scary
dark side to the business.
736
00:34:14,068 --> 00:34:15,862
Thankfully, I've never
been in a situation
737
00:34:15,862 --> 00:34:17,413
that's gotten out of hand.
738
00:34:17,413 --> 00:34:22,413
I had one violent
situation in Florida,
739
00:34:23,896 --> 00:34:25,655
and that set my precedent
for what was never, ever,
740
00:34:25,655 --> 00:34:27,000
ever gonna happen again.
741
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:30,103
I was flown down
and had my ticket
742
00:34:30,103 --> 00:34:33,482
relying on somebody
else's, you know,
743
00:34:33,482 --> 00:34:35,517
because they booked
it kind of thing.
744
00:34:35,517 --> 00:34:37,034
Yeah, like now, I always
make sure that, you know,
745
00:34:37,034 --> 00:34:39,344
if somebody wants me to
travel to go see them,
746
00:34:41,517 --> 00:34:43,793
that they transfer a
deposit which is enough
747
00:34:43,793 --> 00:34:45,931
for me to manage my own booking.
748
00:34:45,931 --> 00:34:49,551
I get every request you
could possibly imagine.
749
00:34:49,551 --> 00:34:54,034
Somebody requests to have
me as a sub or bottom
750
00:34:54,034 --> 00:34:56,931
in a bondage or BDSM
scene, it's a firm no.
751
00:34:56,931 --> 00:34:58,827
We already know that
that's putting yourself
752
00:34:58,827 --> 00:35:02,689
into serious danger, so
that's not gonna happen.
753
00:35:02,689 --> 00:35:04,413
I would never do
that with somebody
754
00:35:04,413 --> 00:35:08,034
until I have established a
rapport with this client.
755
00:35:08,034 --> 00:35:09,931
In terms of being a sex worker
756
00:35:11,344 --> 00:35:16,344
and not having an agency per
se as female sex workers might,
757
00:35:17,344 --> 00:35:19,172
when it comes to male sex work,
758
00:35:19,172 --> 00:35:20,241
you're basically on your own.
759
00:35:20,241 --> 00:35:21,758
Whenever I'm going to work,
760
00:35:21,758 --> 00:35:23,310
I always let somebody
know where I'm going.
761
00:35:23,310 --> 00:35:24,724
I have my location shared.
762
00:35:24,724 --> 00:35:26,586
Depending on how
long the session is,
763
00:35:27,758 --> 00:35:30,206
I get something called
knocking to happen,
764
00:35:30,206 --> 00:35:32,655
which is, you know, a friend
will call and check in
765
00:35:32,655 --> 00:35:33,827
and make sure I'm okay.
766
00:35:35,793 --> 00:35:38,310
- I like the fact that it's
not me living here alone.
767
00:35:38,310 --> 00:35:40,655
So if there was a problem, for
the most part, Nigel's home.
768
00:35:40,655 --> 00:35:41,862
If things get really bad,
769
00:35:41,862 --> 00:35:44,103
I could yell and
hopefully have that.
770
00:35:44,103 --> 00:35:46,551
A few precautions I take
before I head into this,
771
00:35:46,551 --> 00:35:49,103
with meeting people,
I generally don't do
772
00:35:49,103 --> 00:35:50,620
the same day [mumbles]
because I find people,
773
00:35:50,620 --> 00:35:51,758
they're like, "Oh,
I want a massage.
774
00:35:51,758 --> 00:35:53,482
"Can you be free in 20 minutes,"
775
00:35:53,482 --> 00:35:55,034
probably not the
best kind of clients.
776
00:35:55,034 --> 00:35:57,655
Whereas if you can have a
little conversation beforehand.
777
00:35:57,655 --> 00:36:00,103
If they're polite and
nice, you know what,
778
00:36:00,103 --> 00:36:02,482
I'm gonna take people that
I feel comfortable with
779
00:36:02,482 --> 00:36:04,034
because if I'm not enjoying it,
780
00:36:04,034 --> 00:36:06,586
that client is likely not
gonna enjoy it either.
781
00:36:09,655 --> 00:36:13,137
What I like about the massage
part is that I'm in control.
782
00:36:13,137 --> 00:36:15,965
With escort, it kind of is
assumed of what you're doing.
783
00:36:18,068 --> 00:36:19,724
This is the first time
I haven't had a job
784
00:36:19,724 --> 00:36:21,724
with money coming in regularly.
785
00:36:21,724 --> 00:36:24,482
With losing my job,
it was definitely
786
00:36:24,482 --> 00:36:27,275
one of the more traumatic
things I've had in my life,
787
00:36:27,275 --> 00:36:29,103
which sounds stupid,
losing a job,
788
00:36:29,103 --> 00:36:31,586
but just the manner it was done.
789
00:36:31,586 --> 00:36:33,068
I've always been
a good employee.
790
00:36:33,068 --> 00:36:35,310
I've never been fired from
a job in my entire life.
791
00:36:35,310 --> 00:36:37,344
They pulled me, and
the HR person came,
792
00:36:37,344 --> 00:36:38,551
pulled me into a meeting.
793
00:36:38,551 --> 00:36:39,896
They handed me a letter.
794
00:36:39,896 --> 00:36:41,000
I read it.
795
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:42,310
With all your
Instagram, due to this,
796
00:36:42,310 --> 00:36:44,172
you're being
terminated with cause,
797
00:36:45,034 --> 00:36:46,517
no severance, no anything.
798
00:36:46,517 --> 00:36:51,034
So right now, I'm going through
kind of a lawsuit with them,
799
00:36:51,034 --> 00:36:52,931
just feeling like it's
not fair, you know,
800
00:36:52,931 --> 00:36:55,241
after seven years working
there, to walk me out the door
801
00:36:55,241 --> 00:36:57,827
because you don't agree with
something in my lifestyle.
802
00:36:57,827 --> 00:36:59,551
I mean, luckily, I had OnlyFans.
803
00:36:59,551 --> 00:37:02,655
I had a few things
coming in that did help,
804
00:37:02,655 --> 00:37:05,137
but it's just a different
mindset to all of a sudden,
805
00:37:05,137 --> 00:37:06,551
you know, go on one
day and have your,
806
00:37:06,551 --> 00:37:08,586
really, entire life changed.
807
00:37:08,586 --> 00:37:11,000
And the more I looked at
different job postings
808
00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:13,034
and looked at other
things out there,
809
00:37:13,034 --> 00:37:16,482
I realized that it just, none
of that sounded interesting.
810
00:37:17,896 --> 00:37:19,137
It was like, maybe this
isn't the end of the world.
811
00:37:19,137 --> 00:37:21,344
Maybe this is a good
chance to, you know,
812
00:37:21,344 --> 00:37:23,000
try something that I
haven't done before.
813
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:25,034
It wasn't the right
circumstance or the right time
814
00:37:25,034 --> 00:37:27,620
or how it was done,
but I do think
815
00:37:27,620 --> 00:37:30,034
that it'll be something
that I look back on
816
00:37:30,034 --> 00:37:33,000
and it's something
that benefited my life.
817
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:35,413
- Now that I have
kind of come out
818
00:37:35,413 --> 00:37:38,068
as working with sex workers
as part of my platform,
819
00:37:38,068 --> 00:37:40,241
it's been a really
freeing experience
820
00:37:40,241 --> 00:37:42,655
because the stigma goes away.
821
00:37:42,655 --> 00:37:45,827
I've talked about it on my
podcast, Disability After Dark.
822
00:37:45,827 --> 00:37:49,206
I had Raj as a guest
a few weeks ago.
823
00:37:53,034 --> 00:37:56,413
- [Announcer] Disability
After Dark with Andrew Gurza,
824
00:37:57,931 --> 00:38:01,206
shining a bright light
on sex and disability.
825
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:09,620
[Andrew] Did you feel like,
826
00:38:09,620 --> 00:38:10,689
what did you think
when I was like,
827
00:38:10,689 --> 00:38:12,896
"Hey, I'm a wheelchair user."
828
00:38:12,896 --> 00:38:15,862
Did you have any feelings about
what that might look like,
829
00:38:15,862 --> 00:38:18,689
what gay sex with a wheelchair
user might look like
830
00:38:18,689 --> 00:38:21,172
and how disability
would impact all that?
831
00:38:21,172 --> 00:38:22,862
- [Raj] The thing is
everybody's different
832
00:38:22,862 --> 00:38:26,551
with however they are,
with their disabilities.
833
00:38:26,551 --> 00:38:27,862
So the thing was I
was more coming at it
834
00:38:27,862 --> 00:38:30,620
from a place of,
you know, curiosity.
835
00:38:30,620 --> 00:38:33,000
I had no idea what to expect.
836
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:35,310
I just was more curious to see
837
00:38:35,310 --> 00:38:39,517
like how it would
sort of like happen.
838
00:38:39,517 --> 00:38:40,344
You know what I mean?
839
00:38:40,344 --> 00:38:41,172
[Andrew] Awesome.
840
00:38:42,724 --> 00:38:44,275
Were you like scared?
841
00:38:44,275 --> 00:38:46,172
Were you like, "Oh,
my god, this is wrong,
842
00:38:46,172 --> 00:38:48,275
"What am I doing?"
843
00:38:48,275 --> 00:38:49,344
- [Raj] There was
a sense of just
844
00:38:49,344 --> 00:38:50,862
I hope I do everything right.
845
00:38:50,862 --> 00:38:53,931
It was more like you're
another human being
846
00:38:53,931 --> 00:38:56,206
looking to experience pleasure,
847
00:38:56,206 --> 00:39:01,206
and our connection will be
to help facilitate that.
848
00:39:02,310 --> 00:39:03,793
You know what I mean?
849
00:39:03,793 --> 00:39:05,241
- Thank you so much for
being so vulnerable with me
850
00:39:05,241 --> 00:39:07,275
and sharing intimacy with me.
851
00:39:07,275 --> 00:39:09,137
I really appreciate it.
852
00:39:09,137 --> 00:39:11,620
Telling my mom that I
work with sex workers
853
00:39:11,620 --> 00:39:14,310
was kind of a long time coming.
854
00:39:14,310 --> 00:39:16,827
I just said, "Okay,
look, I work with people,
855
00:39:16,827 --> 00:39:19,034
"I work with sex workers
to get my needs met."
856
00:39:19,034 --> 00:39:21,586
She, without missing a
beat, said, "Oh, okay.
857
00:39:21,586 --> 00:39:23,379
"If this is what you're
doing to make yourself happy
858
00:39:23,379 --> 00:39:26,000
"and this is what you
need to feel okay,
859
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:27,827
"I support it."
860
00:39:27,827 --> 00:39:29,827
My family all knows I'm gay.
861
00:39:29,827 --> 00:39:31,931
They know I'm dating Nigel
and I live with Nigel.
862
00:39:31,931 --> 00:39:34,758
I would say that's
pretty much the extent.
863
00:39:34,758 --> 00:39:37,103
I remember I posted
a picture of us,
864
00:39:37,103 --> 00:39:40,551
me and friends in a bar
on my family Facebook,
865
00:39:40,551 --> 00:39:42,206
because I have a
separate account as well.
866
00:39:42,206 --> 00:39:43,758
Yeah, my mom called
and she was like,
867
00:39:43,758 --> 00:39:45,379
"Honey, I'm concerned that
you're at a bar drinking,"
868
00:39:45,379 --> 00:39:47,172
where I was like,
oh, wow, I forgot
869
00:39:47,172 --> 00:39:50,137
we were that many
steps back as far as
870
00:39:50,137 --> 00:39:52,206
what you're comfortable with
and what you're aware of.
871
00:39:52,206 --> 00:39:55,655
Our lifestyles are so
different, but my family knows
872
00:39:55,655 --> 00:40:00,310
I would say on the lower side
of most things that I'm doing.
873
00:40:00,310 --> 00:40:02,172
My mom now knows.
874
00:40:02,172 --> 00:40:03,827
It's the one conversation
875
00:40:03,827 --> 00:40:06,965
where I was always
so scared to have.
876
00:40:06,965 --> 00:40:08,448
So I initially started talking.
877
00:40:08,448 --> 00:40:09,862
I was like stammering
a little bit.
878
00:40:09,862 --> 00:40:11,068
I'm like, oh, my god.
879
00:40:11,068 --> 00:40:13,275
And then once again, I
just started to explain
880
00:40:13,275 --> 00:40:17,586
the whole thing about the
importance of the work.
881
00:40:17,586 --> 00:40:22,586
And then she says to me that
she's listening to my voice
882
00:40:24,034 --> 00:40:26,379
and she says, "Well, I can
tell that you're doing it
883
00:40:26,379 --> 00:40:28,103
"from a good place, because
I've heard your voice
884
00:40:28,103 --> 00:40:29,517
"when you were not
in a good place,
885
00:40:29,517 --> 00:40:31,310
"and I'm hearing
your voice now."
886
00:40:31,310 --> 00:40:36,310
And my mom says, you know,
"You were meant to be here
887
00:40:37,482 --> 00:40:40,310
"to do something really
great, and I can see
888
00:40:40,310 --> 00:40:44,344
"that you're meant to be
here to make people happy.
889
00:40:44,344 --> 00:40:45,965
"And for that,
I'm proud of you."
890
00:40:47,137 --> 00:40:51,275
And to go to your mom
and just say your truth
891
00:40:51,275 --> 00:40:54,793
and just to hear that
sense of understanding,
892
00:40:54,793 --> 00:40:58,827
my abilities, I feel like I can
tap into them that much more
893
00:40:58,827 --> 00:41:03,689
because that shame, that
fear takes up space.
894
00:41:04,896 --> 00:41:06,517
- I'd like to not have
secrets in my family.
895
00:41:06,517 --> 00:41:10,206
So we have a very
open-minded family
896
00:41:11,965 --> 00:41:16,517
I guess is the way to put it,
two gay kids, hippie parents.
897
00:41:16,517 --> 00:41:18,206
I don't like to keep
secrets about it
898
00:41:18,206 --> 00:41:22,000
because at a time of
survival, it was a secret.
899
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:24,413
Do I have an exit strategy?
900
00:41:24,413 --> 00:41:25,758
Kind of.
901
00:41:25,758 --> 00:41:26,793
Do I have a plan for it?
902
00:41:26,793 --> 00:41:28,241
Almost.
903
00:41:28,241 --> 00:41:30,931
Do I have a shelf life
that I wanna cap it up at?
904
00:41:30,931 --> 00:41:32,379
Absolutely.
905
00:41:32,379 --> 00:41:35,137
Will all those things
happen according to plan?
906
00:41:35,137 --> 00:41:36,620
Probably not.
907
00:41:36,620 --> 00:41:39,793
Rogue Showtime Status, five
foot eight, 175 pounds.
908
00:41:39,793 --> 00:41:41,241
This is my first time--
909
00:41:41,241 --> 00:41:44,034
This is a very hard business
to exit because it's your body.
910
00:41:44,034 --> 00:41:46,000
You can't just leave yourself.
911
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:49,034
You get accustomed to
a certain lifestyle.
912
00:41:49,034 --> 00:41:51,068
My advice to anybody considering
913
00:41:51,068 --> 00:41:53,827
getting into sex work or porn
914
00:41:55,241 --> 00:41:56,034
is don't.
915
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:03,793
The porn industry will
shoot you and chew you up
916
00:42:03,793 --> 00:42:06,517
and spit you out until the
next best thing comes along,
917
00:42:06,517 --> 00:42:08,724
put you up to pasture
before you even knew it.
918
00:42:08,724 --> 00:42:10,862
Then you fall back
on your sex work.
919
00:42:10,862 --> 00:42:14,310
And when you become
this 40-year-old hooker
920
00:42:14,310 --> 00:42:17,241
that's washed up,
then what do you have?
921
00:42:17,241 --> 00:42:18,827
If you're really smart about it
922
00:42:20,551 --> 00:42:21,793
and you do it right,
923
00:42:21,793 --> 00:42:23,724
then you can make your
good money and get out.
924
00:42:23,724 --> 00:42:26,758
It's a bit of a trap as well
925
00:42:26,758 --> 00:42:28,413
'cause it's really
hard to leave.
926
00:42:30,379 --> 00:42:33,344
- My goal is to kinda push
this forward now so that
927
00:42:33,344 --> 00:42:37,724
it can be recognized as an
official holistic practice,
928
00:42:37,724 --> 00:42:40,689
because right now, there is
no regulation, obviously,
929
00:42:40,689 --> 00:42:42,965
around it because
it's relatively new.
930
00:42:42,965 --> 00:42:45,896
Of course, people are more
used to going to yoga class,
931
00:42:45,896 --> 00:42:48,310
or buying essential oils,
or going for massages,
932
00:42:48,310 --> 00:42:52,344
or even therapy to address
their own individual needs.
933
00:42:52,344 --> 00:42:54,758
So if I can get it to that
point, then that would mean
934
00:42:54,758 --> 00:42:58,862
that it would allow for, you
know, licensing of my teachings
935
00:42:58,862 --> 00:43:01,413
or the practice, maybe
writing books around it,
936
00:43:01,413 --> 00:43:05,068
working with businesses who
maybe are having HR problems
937
00:43:05,068 --> 00:43:07,103
with what consent is
and all that stuff,
938
00:43:07,103 --> 00:43:08,586
working with those people
939
00:43:08,586 --> 00:43:11,517
so that we can progress
the narratives around touch
940
00:43:11,517 --> 00:43:14,482
in a healthy way
that promote consent.
941
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:20,000
- We have our own little
family in Toronto of people
942
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:22,068
that, you know, we're
very comfortable with.
943
00:43:22,068 --> 00:43:23,275
We all get along.
944
00:43:23,275 --> 00:43:24,862
We see each other
separately, together.
945
00:43:24,862 --> 00:43:26,758
The people that don't
want that lifestyle,
946
00:43:26,758 --> 00:43:28,241
they know who we are,
947
00:43:28,241 --> 00:43:30,517
and they either stay away
or they keep their distance.
948
00:43:30,517 --> 00:43:32,000
There's that.
949
00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:34,379
But because we are so open
with it, you really do attract
950
00:43:34,379 --> 00:43:37,862
the people that are kind of
ready and looking for that.
951
00:43:37,862 --> 00:43:39,862
And so, you know, I would
say we're polyamorous
952
00:43:39,862 --> 00:43:41,724
in the sense of
we're allowed to have
953
00:43:41,724 --> 00:43:43,931
multiple lovers and
partners and friends.
954
00:43:43,931 --> 00:43:45,379
It's that.
955
00:43:45,379 --> 00:43:47,517
But I would say we're even
moving past that a little bit
956
00:43:47,517 --> 00:43:51,310
into more of kind of the family
structure where, you know,
957
00:43:51,310 --> 00:43:53,586
people that stay around,
that's who you're with.
958
00:43:53,586 --> 00:43:55,068
You're not dating.
959
00:43:55,068 --> 00:43:57,034
I'm looking after
me in doing that,
960
00:43:57,034 --> 00:43:58,655
but obviously, the
people I care about,
961
00:43:58,655 --> 00:44:00,413
I'm gonna put their
interests first.
962
00:44:00,413 --> 00:44:02,965
But really, my happiness
at the end of the day,
963
00:44:02,965 --> 00:44:04,482
it's up to me to decide.
964
00:44:04,482 --> 00:44:07,551
And people look at our lifestyle
965
00:44:07,551 --> 00:44:10,758
and our sex life especially,
something that is
966
00:44:10,758 --> 00:44:13,551
a lot more taboo that
people don't talk about,
967
00:44:13,551 --> 00:44:15,103
especially having sex
with your friends,
968
00:44:15,103 --> 00:44:16,344
because that's even worse.
969
00:44:16,344 --> 00:44:17,586
It's like, oh, you can
have with strangers.
970
00:44:17,586 --> 00:44:20,000
That's kind of the
acceptable norm now.
971
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:22,620
But people see our
Instagram posting
972
00:44:22,620 --> 00:44:24,896
with all these
friends in towels.
973
00:44:24,896 --> 00:44:26,275
I mean, hopefully,
it's coming through
974
00:44:26,275 --> 00:44:28,137
that our personalities
as much as possible,
975
00:44:28,137 --> 00:44:29,724
that it's like
these are not just,
976
00:44:29,724 --> 00:44:31,827
oh, they're having
sex [mumbles].
977
00:44:31,827 --> 00:44:33,689
No, these are real
genuine people that,
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yeah, are just having fun
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and sharing their journey
with everyone else.
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