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The infamous Micki Pistorius. Ah!
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(BOTH CHUCKLE)
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How does it feel being back in Cape Town?
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Mm, took a bit of getting used to.
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Why, has it changed that much?
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No, I suppose it's more about me than the surroundings.
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You want me to tell you about the girls, don't you?
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What I did to them.
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We need to put more pressure on him. No, no. I'm tired of games.
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He's not going to admit it. We've been forced to release him.
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But there are women dying out there, Rikus.
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There's nothing else we can do.
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Are you giving up?
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MARK: Don't let him get to you.
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Until you find something concrete why tear yourself inside out?
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Because he's walking free and I know what he's capable of.
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It's not your fault. It is my fault.
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(SNIFFLES)
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There's just so many dead women.
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I have to go deeper.
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(OPENING THEME PLAYS)
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(MOUTHS SILENTLY)
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Shane has been missing for two days.
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He's 12 and he lives here in Algoa Park.
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This is Shane.
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Can you hand out, please? Thank you.
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Shane's mother thought he might have been staying
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with his grandmother,
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but if he had planned to go there, he never made it.
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Thank you again, all of you, for joining the search.
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Let's try and bring this little boy home.
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If you start out that way,
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you guys fan out that way and I'll go here.
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Do you have a dog?
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Have you found anything back there?
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Not yet.
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Thank you for agreeing to the interview.
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Our readers are going to love it.
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You know, I would have been happy to meet you at your motel.
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You said.
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You don't like to give anything away, do you?
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You wear a fringe so it covers your eyes and...
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..whenever you look in your bag, you make sure I can't see what's inside.
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Are you playing psychologist now?
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Not me.
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But what made you want to become one?
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A psychologist, that is.
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Um... Well, I was a journalist first.
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Then later, I went on to study psychology.
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I was interested in the works of Freud, Jung.
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They say psychoanalysis is the study of the id by the odd.
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(CHUCKLES)
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(PEN SCRATCHES)
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And what made you want to study serial killers?
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It's a strange choice of specialism.
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Um... Well, I was drawn to the work of Robert Ressler.
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Ressler...
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His book, Whoever Fights Monsters, was a huge influence.
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Whoever Fights Monsters.
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Wow, that's really great.
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The point is they're not monsters.
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Ah.
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But the Cannibal Killer...
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..how many victims?
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Nine? 10?
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Defenceless women.
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Young boys. His own daughter.
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They're human beings. Huh.
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OK.
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They're tortured souls.
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You can't think of them as monsters if you want to catch them.
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They're more dangerous than that.
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WOMAN: Um, reservation for one.
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Yeah. Dr Micki Pistorius.
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Perfect. OK, this is yours.
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Enjoy your stay. Thank you. Thank you very much.
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WOMAN: (OVER PHONE) So are you going to be able
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to get to interview Stewart Wilken before the trial?
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Yeah.
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Robert Ressler built his career on interviews like this in the States.
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Oh.
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Stewart Wilken is one of a kind.
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Boetie Boer, the cannibal killer. He's terrifying.
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So, who's your chaperone been? Martin Caywood.
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Is he any good?
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Might give you a run for your money.
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OK, so the Nasrec murders in Joburg.
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Um, let's go through what we have so far.
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(DISTANT INDISTINCT CHATTER)
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(VEHICLE APPROACHES)
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(ENGINE STOPS, DOORS OPENS)
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Next stop on our tour of Boetie Boers - the murder scenes.
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This is where he killed Shane Miller?
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His last victim.
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Six children, all boys except his daughter, Sonia.
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Four adult women, all prostitutes.
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It's partly why no-one picked up on him for so long.
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Different types of victims, no clear links.
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That's what makes him so fascinating.
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His different sets of victims and approaches to them.
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The prostitutes he brags about, displays their bodies.
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The children he hides.
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After Wilken confessed he brought me here.
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How long did it take to get the confession?
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Not long. I kind of set him up.
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How do you mean?
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I put a picture of my kid facing him.
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The cutest one I could find.
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She's looking straight at the camera in it.
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She's about two or three, is as good as gold.
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I had this hunch that it would get to him.
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And it did.
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Couldn't stop staring at it.
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I think he felt like he was being judged.
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Clever.
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This is where it happened?
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Boetie had been on his way to visit Shane's family
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when he bumped into the boy on the road back there.
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He joined the search.
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The sergeant heading up the case heard that Boetie
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was the last person to be seen with another boy who'd gone missing.
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So, she joined the dots.
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Boetie Boer. Little Brother.
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Why is he called that?
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It's what he calls himself, ever since he's been a kid.
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He didn't tell me why.
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He's reminding himself he's someone's son.
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Someone's brother, maybe.
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That's what I was thinking but...
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..I'm not the psychologist.
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No, but you understand him, don't you?
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What are you saying?
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Well, when you talk about him, there's warmth in your voice.
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Affection even.
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I wouldn't go that far.
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But you'll see when you meet him, it's hard to hate him.
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He's...like a big kid who's done bad things.
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He's unlike anyone I've ever met.
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Hate the sin, not the sinner?
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Something like that.
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You OK?
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And places hold on to the memory of things that happened within them.
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It changes the energy.
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It's bad here.
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He came back...
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..visiting the body after he'd killed him.
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Numerous times.
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He's in your head, isn't he?
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Yeah.
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Yeah, he is.
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(MICKI READS INDISTINCTLY)
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OK. His childhood.
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Why does he call himself Boetie Boer?
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What does that name reveal about him?
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Types of victim.
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Can he explain victim choice?
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Were they opportunistic or driven by different impulses?
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(KNOCK AT DOOR)
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Hey. Hello.
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How are you? Alright.
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I'm sorry, I've got some bad news.
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Yeah. What?
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Stewart doesn't want to talk to you.
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Oh, why?
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I don't know. He read the interview.
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He thinks you're a bitch that's out to get him.
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Oh, he's twisted everything.
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They tend to do that.
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No, but I didn't say that. Fucking hell.
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That's why I don't even give them the time of day
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'cause they'll always do this.
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(SIGHS)
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That's his wife.
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WOMAN: All rise.
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Be seated.
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You may bring in the accused.
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(DOOR OPENS)
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(CHAINS CLINKS)
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Mr Wilken, you may stand.
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The accused stands trial on nine counts of murder...
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..and four counts of rape.
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Mr Wilken, how do you plead to these charges?
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Not guilty.
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Mr Wilken, you may be seated.
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It should be noted that these crimes are unusual in their sadism.
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And that the evidence is of a highly distressing nature.
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It's not going to be an easy process for anyone to witness.
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The court will break for a short recess,
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and then we will hear from our first witness.
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Mr Miller.
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I appreciate your taking the time to appear here today.
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I know it must be incredibly painful for you.
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I shall hand over to Advocate Hofmeyer
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for the prosecution.
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Mr Miller, you knew the accused, is that right?
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Yes. He had stayed with us.
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You were friends?
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My wife, Carol, Shane's mom.
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She...
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I think she was friends with his wife, Rihanna.
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They were having problems.
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And when Shane was reported missing,
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the accused joined in the search, pretending to want to help.
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Is that correct?
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Yes.
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Not to help.
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He wanted to hide his crime.
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Thank you.
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I have one more difficult question
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and then I'll let you go.
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Is there any truth to the accused accusation
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that you beat Shane?
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I know he said that.
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I know, he says we...
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He says we abused Shane.
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He says that's why he killed him.
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To free the boy from pain.
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He doesn't have the humanity...
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..to shoulder what he did.
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So he lies about me and my wife.
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I'm sorry I had to ask you that but it is all important.
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I have no further questions.
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Mr Miller, you're excused.
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(CHAINS CLINK)
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HENNIE: I'm sorry you didn't get your interview.
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I can give evidence without it.
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It's just such a huge case.
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He's the worst we've had for years.
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So I want to understand that.
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Twisted, huh?
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Catching these guys.
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Trying to get them to open up
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so that you have something in common with them, you know.
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The danger is you do it too well.
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You start to feel comfortable with them.
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Yes.
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They're out there.
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Winning the race.
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(LOUD KNOCK AT DOOR) (GASPS)
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(EXHALES DEEPLY)
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(SIGHS)
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(KNOCK AT DOOR)
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I see you carried on, then.
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Lifesaver.
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There's been a bit of a change of plan on your testimony today.
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You're going to need that. The defence has called you instead.
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I'll see you there.
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(EXHALES SHARPLY)
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Ah! You've pulled it together well.
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Not my first hungover rodeo.
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Um, when did the prosecution change their mind?
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And why? Last night.
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They think they've got plenty to prove their case without you.
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Might have been a bad steer, because his defence jumped on it.
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I guess they think you'll help get him a reduced sentence.
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(BOTTLE RATTLES)
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You alright over there? Mm.
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Yep. Let's go.
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Micki. Hi. Ready?
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Look, I'll be asking you to fill us in on where he fits
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into the overall picture.
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How his childhood led him to do all of this?
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Dr Gelman will also be giving testimony for us.
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I'm hoping that the judge will agree that Wilken is not fully culpable.
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My job is to explain behaviour to the judge, that's it.
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Well, it's not like I have lots of people lining up to speak for him.
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I swear.
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Hardus van Graan for the defence.
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Dr Pistorius.
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Could you give the court a picture?
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of how the behaviour of the accused might be understood?
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First, it is important to remember
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that there is no such thing as a typical serial killer.
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Every serial killer is different. Unique.
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Just like us in that respect.
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So, what is a serial killer?
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A person who murders several victims,
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usually strangers, at different times.
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Is there a common motive?
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No. Motive is linked to development and, as such, is variable.
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Could you elaborate?
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Serial killers frequently develop fixations.
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These arise from one of the psychosexual development phases.
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JUDGE: Mr Nyosi, I understand this is difficult
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but please remain silent.
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And with this defendant, what was his motive?
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The defendant has, we can surmise, an oral fixation.
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Not unexpected, given the extreme sexual abuse
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he endured as a young child.
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Can you explain why?
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Yes.
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The defendant was abandoned at the age of six months by his mother.
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He was not breastfed.
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He mutilated the breasts of his victims.
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Symbolically, he cuts the breast to get to the milk.
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He also ate the nipples of more than one victim.
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Cannibalism is also associated with the oral phase,
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which takes place between birth and two years old.
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As you'll recognise, this fits with when the defendant was abandoned.
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The defendant is also unusual in that he killed
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two distinct types of victim.
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One was prostitutes -
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women who resembled his mother, on whom he could vent his rage.
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The others were young boys...
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..who represented himself.
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In killing them, he's effectively killing the child he once was.
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Over and over again.
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But the abuse the accused suffered was unusually severe,
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is that correct? It was.
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But, as you know, many people suffer abuse.
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They do not all go on to abuse or to kill.
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But he was abandoned, then abused multiple times.
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Indeed.
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His most basic needs - hunger, security were neglected.
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He was undernourished, terribly abused.
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He learned early to act in sadistic ways as a defence.
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As a young boy, he frequently bit his foster-mother
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and he went on to do the same to several of his victims.
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They were bitten on toes, breasts, genitals.
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When he ate the nipples of one of his victims...
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No!
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Her name was Violet Nyosi and she was my daughter.
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Mr Nyozi...
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..sit down and keep quiet.
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Otherwise, I shall have you removed.
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I understand.
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The accused also sodomised many of his victims.
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Was that symbolic also?
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Additionally, the accused has a fixation
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in the anal phase of development.
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This is control-oriented. (BREATHES DEEPLY)
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He stated in his confession that he enjoyed the pain of his victims
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when he was sodomising them.
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(BREATHES DEEPLY) (CHAINS CLINK)
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You pig!
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(BREATHES DEEPLY)
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(GROANS)
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(PANTS)
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(GROANING)
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(SHRIEKING)
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(SOBBING)
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JUDGE: There is, in your professional opinion,
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no chance that the accused can be taught to control his urges?
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Absolutely not.
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Even the most minor of stresses will trigger violence in him.
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Please understand, if the accused is free, he will kill again.
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(INDISTINCT CHATTER)
348
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Not hungry?
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Too oily.
350
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I think I might get myself a piece of cake.
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(FOOTSTEPS APPROACH)
352
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I saw that.
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I'm going to ask if you can help persuade Stewart to talk to me.
354
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Hi. Hello.
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Um, Advocate, I was very much hoping to speak to Stewart in person.
356
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I know. He wasn't interested.
357
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Do you think he might be persuaded
358
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now that he's seen I'm not out to get him?
359
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I doubt it.
360
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Could you ask?
361
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Please, it's so important to my research.
362
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He's such an unusual case.
363
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I'll ask him.
364
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Don't get your hopes up.
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Thank you.
366
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(CHAIN CLINKS)
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JUDGE: Mr Wilken, you may stand.
368
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(CHAIN CLINKS)
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Mr Wilken.
370
00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:51,000
You have been found guilty of...
371
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(CLAPPING)
372
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..guilty of killing seven people.
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And yet at no point in this trial
374
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have you shown any emotion or remorse?
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There is no question in my mind
376
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that you intended to kill every one of your victims...
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..and that you continue to pose the most terrible danger.
378
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If I could hand down the death penalty, I would do so.
379
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But I do not have that option.
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So, I propose that the accused serve seven life sentences...
381
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..to run concurrently.
382
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(DRAMATIC MUSIC PLAYS)
383
00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:12,920
(DOOR OPENS)
384
00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:16,080
Thanks, Erika. Give me that good sugar.
385
00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:17,200
(CHUCKLES) Yes, ma'am.
386
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All the diabetes all the time. Thank you.
387
00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:24,280
So, I noticed something on the Nasrec case.
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One of Bongani's victims came from Newcastle.
389
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And on Nasrec, Vuyile was on her way to Newcastle
390
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when she went missing.
391
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Hm. Could be something.
392
00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:33,480
Good work.
393
00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:35,640
I'll let everyone Ruan know and we'll trace it through.
394
00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:40,000
You're doing really well.
395
00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:44,000
Um, I got given my own case.
396
00:27:45,360 --> 00:27:48,240
Oh. That is amazing.
397
00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:50,160
Um...
398
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You really deserve it. You're gonna fly.
399
00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:56,000
Yeah, I'm sure I'll still be needing your advice.
400
00:27:57,360 --> 00:27:58,360
Oh, um...
401
00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:02,160
..this came in for you earlier.
402
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He said yes.
403
00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:10,400
I'm going to meet Boetie Boer.
404
00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:50,600
(CLANGING)
405
00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:01,240
(DOOR UNLOCKS)
406
00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:16,560
Howzit, Stewart.
407
00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:18,800
Yeah, OK, Martin.
408
00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:22,000
Howzit? Hello, Stewart.
409
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:24,320
Thank you for agreeing to talk to me.
410
00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:27,480
Martin said you were alright.
411
00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:30,000
You wouldn't talk to me before.
412
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:31,680
What made you change your mind?
413
00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:34,320
The trial.
414
00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:37,040
You were on my side.
415
00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:39,480
You understand me.
416
00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:40,800
Would you like a cigarette?
417
00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:45,440
I'm going to take mine outside.
418
00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:48,840
Would you mind leaving the lighter? Yeah.
419
00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:49,920
Thank you.
420
00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:57,440
Here.
421
00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:16,880
Tell me about your childhood.
422
00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:21,400
What's the worst thing that happened to you?
423
00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:26,240
Um...
424
00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:32,920
My foster dad wouldn't get me a toy red engine.
425
00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:36,960
I wanted it so bad, he said no.
426
00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:39,720
Said I was useless.
427
00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:41,800
When I was eight, I started smoking dope.
428
00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:44,920
He wasn't a good man...
429
00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:46,240
..your foster-father?
430
00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:49,120
No, he burned me with cigarettes.
431
00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:54,400
I ate from dog bowls.
432
00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:57,880
When I was adopted, I thought it would stop, but...
433
00:30:57,880 --> 00:30:58,960
..it never stopped.
434
00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:02,880
They sent me to a school where deacon buggered me too.
435
00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:06,360
When I complained, they locked me in a cupboard.
436
00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:09,360
Everyone in your life failed you.
437
00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:13,160
How did that make you feel?
438
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:18,160
Um...
439
00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:21,720
Bad.
440
00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:24,720
It made you feel bad like...
441
00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:26,560
..sad inside?
442
00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:28,040
Yes.
443
00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:30,560
But also bad like...
444
00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:33,280
..like I was bad.
445
00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:35,960
A bad boy. Useless.
446
00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:42,200
My foster-parents call me Stewart.
447
00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:45,200
I am Boetie Boer.
448
00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:49,800
When did the fantasies start?
449
00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:55,280
Young. I...I don't remember the first time.
450
00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:57,880
So you always had them?
451
00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:00,800
Fantasies about sodomising others,
452
00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:03,560
raping women, killing?
453
00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:05,600
As long as I can remember, I...
454
00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:09,080
I always wanted to.
455
00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:11,200
And then I did. I started and...
456
00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:13,800
..I didn't want to stop.
457
00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:16,000
You couldn't stop until you were caught.
458
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:18,440
I learned a lot by that time, I...
459
00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:21,080
..I watched the police and how they work the scenes.
460
00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:24,960
It's only Martin who got me to want to confess.
461
00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:26,040
Hm.
462
00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:29,760
After the bodies were found. The early ones, yeah.
463
00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:34,240
Learned not to leave hairs behind that they can match with mine.
464
00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:38,160
I...I had to make sure the bodies didn't rot too quick
465
00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:39,480
so I can go back to them.
466
00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:44,000
I need to toss.
467
00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:47,720
Can I go? Yes.
468
00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:49,440
Thank you for asking. I'll keep this.
469
00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:01,080
What was that all about?
470
00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:06,200
Uh, he said he needed a moment alone.
471
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:08,240
Lovely. (EXHALES SHARPLY)
472
00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:09,320
Is he talking?
473
00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:12,080
He is.
474
00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:13,600
He's a complicated guy, hey.
475
00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:15,920
Yeah.
476
00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:25,960
Do you want a smoke?
477
00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:28,520
(CLANGING)
478
00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:34,320
Did you wash your hands?
479
00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:36,920
Look.
480
00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:39,960
Good, boy. Sit down.
481
00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:46,480
Now, can you tell me why you hid the bodies of the boys
482
00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:49,280
but left those of the prostitutes out on display?
483
00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:52,720
I hid the boys because I wanted to go back to them,
484
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:54,480
to have sex with them.
485
00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:55,960
I...I kept them dry.
486
00:33:57,160 --> 00:34:00,840
I stuck newspapers up their arses to keep the maggots out, you know?
487
00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:02,320
Mm-hm.
488
00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:04,520
And the prostitutes?
489
00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:06,000
Well, sex is a gift from God.
490
00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:08,840
No man should pay for it.
491
00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:12,160
I...I left them out for everyone to see the wrong they had done.
492
00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:15,400
What about Sonia, your daughter?
493
00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:17,240
I mean, that was different.
494
00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:20,480
Yeah. She was my little girl.
495
00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:23,440
I missed her, so...
496
00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:27,880
She told me she was being abused.
497
00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:29,920
By her stepfather? Yeah.
498
00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:33,000
She should have been with me.
499
00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:38,640
He was hurting her so I went from Happy Valley to go get her.
500
00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:39,800
Sorry, what's that?
501
00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:41,000
Happy Valley?
502
00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:43,280
It's a park near the beach.
503
00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:46,880
I slept there. It's a nice place for children.
504
00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:51,920
There...there are fairies and lights, and...
505
00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:54,080
I wanted to show her how nice it was.
506
00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:56,160
And I kept it safe there.
507
00:34:56,160 --> 00:34:58,120
You killed her to keep her safe.
508
00:35:00,240 --> 00:35:02,920
I slept next to her and I held her.
509
00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:06,600
We were very happy.
510
00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:13,200
Is there anything you want to ask me, Stewart?
511
00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:19,680
Um...
512
00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:24,640
Why did it take you so long to catch me?
513
00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:27,560
Why did we?
514
00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:31,200
Well, I was tired of killing.
515
00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:34,600
But I could never have stopped until you stopped me.
516
00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:41,280
I know.
517
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:45,280
Trust me, I...
518
00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:48,280
..I know.
519
00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:52,640
Did try.
520
00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:21,360
So, I tracked down his blood mother.
521
00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:25,640
Now, that's a chat I don't want to have again.
522
00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:30,520
Telling a woman that the baby she abandoned more than 30 years ago
523
00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:34,040
turned out to be a fine, upstanding serial killer and cannibal.
524
00:36:35,240 --> 00:36:38,040
The news every mother wants to hear, no?
525
00:36:40,240 --> 00:36:41,480
Is she going to see him?
526
00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:45,520
You should take a holiday.
527
00:36:46,720 --> 00:36:48,640
Go lie by a pool.
528
00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:52,080
Have some cocktails, get your toenails painted.
529
00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:54,360
You know, get away from work for a while.
530
00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:57,280
Sounds nice.
531
00:36:57,280 --> 00:36:58,720
So, you should do it.
532
00:36:59,880 --> 00:37:02,000
People worry about you, you know?
533
00:37:04,720 --> 00:37:06,280
(EXHALES SHARPLY)
534
00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:10,280
You know why I can't take that holiday.
535
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:14,960
You heard him.
536
00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:16,880
He was never going to stop by himself.
537
00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:20,480
It's down to us.
538
00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:21,720
To me.
539
00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:25,480
There's always another case coming in.
540
00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:29,040
Another killer starting up.
541
00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:31,720
Dreaming.
542
00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:34,000
Fantasising.
543
00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:39,200
Those men are out there.
544
00:37:41,720 --> 00:37:43,560
And then... (INHALES)
545
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:46,280
(EXHALES)
546
00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:48,920
..they're in here.
547
00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:04,720
(SOFT CLATTERING)
548
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:10,800
Can I help with anything?
549
00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:13,080
No. It's ready.
550
00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:15,720
Nice.
551
00:38:15,720 --> 00:38:18,440
Oh, this smells great. Thank you.
552
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:21,560
Tuck in.
553
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:25,520
Cheers.
554
00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:31,680
Mmm! This is delicious.
555
00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:34,080
Yeah, the guy who makes it is a real character.
556
00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:38,480
How did your interview go?
557
00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:39,720
Oh.
558
00:38:39,720 --> 00:38:41,720
It was, um...
559
00:38:41,720 --> 00:38:45,280
..useful, intense, not completely what I expec...
560
00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:46,560
I don't know.
561
00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:50,160
The guy's committed some of the worst crimes I've ever heard about.
562
00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:51,360
Sadistic.
563
00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:53,680
He has no remorse for what he's done. None.
564
00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:54,920
And yet he's...
565
00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:57,360
I can't imagine what those families have gone through.
566
00:38:57,360 --> 00:38:58,600
You know he deserves to fucking die.
567
00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:01,280
If I ever met him...
568
00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:03,960
..I couldn't be held responsible, if you know what I mean.
569
00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:05,200
Yeah.
570
00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:07,320
I don't know how you even were in the same room as him.
571
00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:12,200
(EXHALES SOFTLY) No, it's a...a very intense thing.
572
00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:33,280
Hey.
573
00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:35,040
He's been freaking out since last week
574
00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:37,800
but the governor only called me yesterday.
575
00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:39,640
Figured you might be able to help calm him down.
576
00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:41,000
OK. Sure.
577
00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:07,120
Thanks for making it so quick.
578
00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:08,160
Right.
579
00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:13,800
Yeah, we tried everything.
580
00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:15,920
Threats. Persuasion.
581
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:17,880
Withholding privileges.
582
00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:20,480
What privileges? Food.
583
00:40:23,720 --> 00:40:26,840
(NERVOUS BREATHING)
584
00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:33,120
Hello, Stewart. Get back!
585
00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:34,520
It's Micki, Stewart.
586
00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:36,680
They're coming to get me.
587
00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:42,400
You're safe here, Stewart. No-one can hurt you.
588
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:43,680
I know you feel scared.
589
00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:45,280
(BREATHES NERVOUSLY)
590
00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:46,560
You're safe here.
591
00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:49,720
The sea.
592
00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:53,200
I want to see the sea. I want to see...
593
00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:54,400
It's going to burn me.
594
00:40:56,200 --> 00:40:57,520
They're here. They're here.
595
00:40:57,520 --> 00:40:58,960
Who... Who's here?
596
00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:00,480
Who's here, Stewart?
597
00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:02,320
There's acid coming through the wall.
598
00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:03,480
Through that wall?
599
00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:06,200
Is there something else there, too?
600
00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:09,160
Someone?
601
00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:16,280
All of them.
602
00:41:18,240 --> 00:41:21,120
OK.
603
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:25,880
You are safe now, OK?
604
00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:27,960
You are safe now, Stewart, OK?
605
00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:29,240
Please take me away.
606
00:41:29,240 --> 00:41:31,280
No. It's OK.
607
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:32,800
You're safe here.
608
00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:34,320
No-one can hurt you.
609
00:41:35,720 --> 00:41:37,520
I think you're very tired.
610
00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:41,280
Do you think you're very tired? Yeah.
611
00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:42,960
Would you like to have a lie-down?
612
00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:46,120
Yeah, I think it would make you feel better.
613
00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:47,480
Come on, now.
614
00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:48,880
You think you could do that for me?
615
00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:52,400
Yeah. Good boy.
616
00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:53,960
Go on. You can let go.
617
00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:57,120
That's do good.
618
00:41:57,120 --> 00:41:58,320
It's so cold.
619
00:41:58,320 --> 00:41:59,960
It's nice, isn't it?
620
00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:08,240
Just breathe.
621
00:42:10,240 --> 00:42:11,320
(EXHALES SHARPLY)
622
00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:15,440
He's seeing all the people he killed.
623
00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:20,240
And I think he's reverted to his childhood state.
624
00:42:20,240 --> 00:42:23,800
He's in prison but his demons are still inside him.
625
00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:26,320
He can't release them by killing anymore.
626
00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:28,920
Can't use that violence to soothe his pain.
627
00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:31,320
So they've turned on him.
628
00:42:34,080 --> 00:42:35,240
Haven't they, Stewart?
629
00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:46,400
(GRUNTS)
630
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:50,320
You were a good boy.
631
00:42:52,280 --> 00:42:53,240
You...
632
00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:55,960
You deserve that, you bitch. Fuck you!
633
00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:03,160
I was trying to save you.
634
00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:06,960
(GROANS)
635
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:15,720
(SOBS)
636
00:43:18,200 --> 00:43:22,200
(CRIES)
637
00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:26,720
(SCREAMS)
638
00:43:28,720 --> 00:43:32,040
(SCREAMS, CRIES)
639
00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:12,760
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