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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:07,248 --> 00:00:08,884 ♪ ♪ 2 00:00:08,951 --> 00:00:11,924 A funeral home is a temporary resting place 3 00:00:11,991 --> 00:00:13,728 for the dead, 4 00:00:13,795 --> 00:00:17,267 which it now is for me, 5 00:00:17,334 --> 00:00:21,075 but not in the way I'd ever expected. 6 00:00:29,760 --> 00:00:34,636 I ran this place for years, from back here in this office. 7 00:00:34,703 --> 00:00:38,476 But today, calls will go unanswered 8 00:00:38,544 --> 00:00:42,586 by me and my intern, James. 9 00:00:42,652 --> 00:00:45,257 Moments ago, violence reverberated 10 00:00:45,324 --> 00:00:47,662 through the stillness of this place, 11 00:00:47,729 --> 00:00:50,735 our killer making sure the secrets I knew 12 00:00:50,802 --> 00:00:53,908 were secrets I kept. 13 00:00:53,975 --> 00:00:59,920 My name is Dan O'Connell, and this is Me Hereafter. 14 00:01:02,959 --> 00:01:10,073 ♪ ♪ 15 00:01:15,317 --> 00:01:21,863 ♪ ♪ 16 00:01:23,466 --> 00:01:25,337 The day of the homicide, 17 00:01:25,404 --> 00:01:27,474 I came into the funeral home. 18 00:01:27,542 --> 00:01:31,650 I was a medical examiner for St. Croix County. 19 00:01:31,717 --> 00:01:36,961 St. Croix County, at the time, was a fairly rural county. 20 00:01:37,027 --> 00:01:40,868 I think Hudson was the biggest city or town. 21 00:01:40,935 --> 00:01:43,473 And O'Connell Funeral Home 22 00:01:43,541 --> 00:01:46,045 was the busiest funeral home in the county. 23 00:01:46,112 --> 00:01:49,520 My job would be to interact with the funeral directors 24 00:01:49,586 --> 00:01:52,893 within the county any time there was a death, 25 00:01:52,959 --> 00:01:55,430 and that's what I had to do at O'Connell's. 26 00:01:55,497 --> 00:01:58,469 I was going to sign a death certificate. 27 00:01:58,537 --> 00:02:01,409 Simply go in, sign the death certificate. 28 00:02:01,476 --> 00:02:05,250 Um, and that was my day. 29 00:02:07,956 --> 00:02:10,928 I didn't know that anything was out of place 30 00:02:10,995 --> 00:02:14,770 until I came around the corner. 31 00:02:14,837 --> 00:02:18,209 When I walked into the room, I first saw James. 32 00:02:18,276 --> 00:02:21,784 He had a defensive wound to his hand, 33 00:02:21,851 --> 00:02:26,392 and a gunshot wound to the side of his head. 34 00:02:26,459 --> 00:02:29,031 Dan was sitting on the floor. 35 00:02:29,098 --> 00:02:32,906 He had had a gunshot wound to the head as well. 36 00:02:32,973 --> 00:02:35,444 The killer would have to be fairly proficient 37 00:02:35,512 --> 00:02:39,385 in carrying out this homicide. 38 00:02:39,452 --> 00:02:44,128 I backed out of the room 39 00:02:44,194 --> 00:02:47,234 and went outside 40 00:02:47,301 --> 00:02:49,405 and called dispatch right away. 41 00:02:52,144 --> 00:02:56,486 It was a chilling experience to walk in and realize 42 00:02:56,554 --> 00:02:59,994 that I had just missed being a-- 43 00:03:00,060 --> 00:03:02,097 a homicide victim myself. 44 00:03:02,164 --> 00:03:05,103 ♪ ♪ 45 00:03:05,170 --> 00:03:08,076 The day Marty found us was a warm one 46 00:03:08,143 --> 00:03:09,746 for Hudson, Wisconsin, 47 00:03:09,813 --> 00:03:12,519 especially for the dead of winter. 48 00:03:12,586 --> 00:03:15,858 That would typically be the talk of my small town. 49 00:03:15,925 --> 00:03:18,764 But today was anything but typical. 50 00:03:20,267 --> 00:03:22,672 When it first came in, 51 00:03:22,739 --> 00:03:25,110 it was just ironic that two people 52 00:03:25,177 --> 00:03:27,648 were shot in the funeral home. 53 00:03:27,715 --> 00:03:31,222 It was right during midday in Hudson. 54 00:03:31,289 --> 00:03:33,861 There was no forced entry. 55 00:03:33,927 --> 00:03:38,971 There were three shell casings that were at the scene. 56 00:03:39,038 --> 00:03:43,848 There did not appear to be anything disturbed or missing. 57 00:03:43,915 --> 00:03:47,354 There were no doors that had been left open. 58 00:03:47,421 --> 00:03:50,260 There were really no more clues, 59 00:03:50,326 --> 00:03:53,968 um, than the shell casings. 60 00:03:54,035 --> 00:03:57,341 Those types of cases don't happen in Hudson. 61 00:03:57,407 --> 00:03:59,846 There were a few things that set it apart. 62 00:03:59,913 --> 00:04:02,986 Number one is, the O'Connells are very well known, 63 00:04:03,053 --> 00:04:05,424 and they were really involved in the community. 64 00:04:05,491 --> 00:04:07,762 Dan was easy to communicate with, 65 00:04:07,829 --> 00:04:10,433 easy to take care of business with. 66 00:04:10,501 --> 00:04:13,306 Just an all-around good guy. 67 00:04:13,373 --> 00:04:15,611 I had met James a couple of times 68 00:04:15,678 --> 00:04:17,347 while at the funeral home. 69 00:04:17,414 --> 00:04:19,886 Dan said he was a promising intern 70 00:04:19,953 --> 00:04:22,559 who was working on his funeral director license. 71 00:04:22,625 --> 00:04:25,430 There was a lot of work for us, 72 00:04:25,497 --> 00:04:27,334 and for law enforcement, to do 73 00:04:27,401 --> 00:04:32,111 to try to figure out who did this. 74 00:04:34,616 --> 00:04:37,421 Police rolled out the crime scene tape. 75 00:04:37,488 --> 00:04:39,158 It would only be a matter of time 76 00:04:39,225 --> 00:04:41,863 before everyone in Hudson would be terrified. 77 00:04:41,930 --> 00:04:44,536 After all, who would want to kill me? 78 00:04:44,602 --> 00:04:47,074 To kill us? 79 00:04:47,140 --> 00:04:49,111 I'd taken over as funeral director 80 00:04:49,177 --> 00:04:52,852 of my family's funeral home almost four years ago. 81 00:04:52,919 --> 00:04:55,925 It wasn't a role I ever really pictured myself in, 82 00:04:55,992 --> 00:04:58,462 but friends and family always said helping people 83 00:04:58,530 --> 00:05:01,069 came naturally to me. 84 00:05:01,136 --> 00:05:03,774 He didn't want to be a funeral director at first. 85 00:05:03,841 --> 00:05:07,380 He told his parents that he was going to go to nursing school. 86 00:05:07,447 --> 00:05:08,918 But Dan started helping out 87 00:05:08,985 --> 00:05:11,757 with visitations and death calls 88 00:05:11,824 --> 00:05:13,561 in the evenings, when he was home, 89 00:05:13,627 --> 00:05:15,598 and changed his mind. 90 00:05:15,664 --> 00:05:17,936 He knew it was hard. 91 00:05:18,002 --> 00:05:19,338 It's something that-- 92 00:05:19,405 --> 00:05:21,510 you just don't wake up one morning 93 00:05:21,577 --> 00:05:23,447 and you want to be a funeral director. 94 00:05:23,514 --> 00:05:26,786 You have to work with it. 95 00:05:26,853 --> 00:05:28,790 I think grief-- it's like a fingerprint. 96 00:05:28,857 --> 00:05:30,861 We all have different grief. 97 00:05:30,928 --> 00:05:32,999 And he could deal with that. 98 00:05:35,838 --> 00:05:38,042 ♪ ♪ 99 00:05:38,109 --> 00:05:40,782 Tuesday began like any other day. 100 00:05:40,849 --> 00:05:42,719 It would be just James and me 101 00:05:42,785 --> 00:05:45,090 working at the funeral home later. 102 00:05:45,157 --> 00:05:46,793 But I had a meeting with my brother Mike 103 00:05:46,860 --> 00:05:49,431 in the morning, before heading in. 104 00:05:49,498 --> 00:05:51,770 Absolutely typical morning. 105 00:05:51,837 --> 00:05:54,642 Got up. He made the coffee. 106 00:05:54,709 --> 00:05:56,947 James and Dan were going to clean the garage 107 00:05:57,013 --> 00:05:59,753 because new caskets were coming in. 108 00:05:59,820 --> 00:06:01,589 I didn't know James that well. 109 00:06:01,656 --> 00:06:03,760 Dan said he was an absolute wonderful fit 110 00:06:03,827 --> 00:06:06,099 for the funeral home. 111 00:06:08,737 --> 00:06:10,006 We were getting ready to celebrate 112 00:06:10,073 --> 00:06:13,279 our son's birthday the next day. 113 00:06:14,649 --> 00:06:17,287 He was so proud of his kids. 114 00:06:17,354 --> 00:06:19,258 He loved to play with them, get on the floor 115 00:06:19,325 --> 00:06:20,460 and wrestle around. 116 00:06:20,528 --> 00:06:21,462 Oh, stop! 117 00:06:23,667 --> 00:06:24,736 What's that? 118 00:06:24,803 --> 00:06:27,407 And how old are you? Two. 119 00:06:27,474 --> 00:06:31,215 My dad was a very loud and funny person, 120 00:06:31,281 --> 00:06:33,921 who--he walked into a room, and you would know he's there. 121 00:06:33,987 --> 00:06:38,029 And big smile, starts cracking jokes at everything. 122 00:06:38,095 --> 00:06:41,970 And it's kind of like what I am now. 123 00:06:42,037 --> 00:06:43,607 Kyle was getting a big present 124 00:06:43,674 --> 00:06:46,045 for his birthday: a weight set. 125 00:06:46,111 --> 00:06:48,416 And I couldn't wait to celebrate with him, Jennie, 126 00:06:48,483 --> 00:06:50,486 and our daughter Kaitlyn, 127 00:06:50,554 --> 00:06:53,794 but first, I had to get through my day. 128 00:06:53,861 --> 00:06:55,864 I prided myself on keeping track 129 00:06:55,931 --> 00:06:57,835 of every detail for all the families 130 00:06:57,902 --> 00:06:59,806 who turned to me for help. 131 00:06:59,873 --> 00:07:03,446 It's why I kept everything in a calendar. 132 00:07:03,514 --> 00:07:06,786 Or almost everything. 133 00:07:06,853 --> 00:07:09,057 There was one meeting I didn't write down 134 00:07:09,124 --> 00:07:11,730 for the afternoon I was killed. 135 00:07:11,797 --> 00:07:14,134 If only I would have. 136 00:07:17,141 --> 00:07:19,579 ♪ ♪ 137 00:07:19,646 --> 00:07:24,355 It was the day before my son's birthday. 138 00:07:24,421 --> 00:07:25,624 Sorry. 139 00:07:29,599 --> 00:07:32,538 I was home making the snack 140 00:07:32,605 --> 00:07:34,408 that he was gonna bring to school. 141 00:07:36,947 --> 00:07:40,153 And I got a phone call from a friend 142 00:07:40,220 --> 00:07:43,594 saying that, um, somebody was trying to get a hold of Dan, 143 00:07:43,660 --> 00:07:45,063 and the phone at the funeral home 144 00:07:45,129 --> 00:07:47,535 was just ringing, ringing, ringing, ringing. 145 00:07:47,602 --> 00:07:49,505 ♪ ♪ 146 00:07:49,572 --> 00:07:53,112 So I turned the oven off, and I got in the car. 147 00:07:53,179 --> 00:07:55,450 ♪ ♪ 148 00:07:55,518 --> 00:07:58,824 Jennie wasn't prepared for the scene that unfolded. 149 00:07:58,890 --> 00:08:00,226 But who would be? 150 00:08:02,632 --> 00:08:06,005 Officer Glen Hartman, who just so happened to be 151 00:08:06,072 --> 00:08:08,342 a really good friend of ours, 152 00:08:08,409 --> 00:08:11,850 told me the news that, um-- 153 00:08:11,917 --> 00:08:15,791 that Dan had been shot and killed, 154 00:08:15,858 --> 00:08:18,764 and that James had been shot and killed also. 155 00:08:21,469 --> 00:08:27,214 Then I screamed, and I fell to the ground with Glen. 156 00:08:27,281 --> 00:08:28,684 I just cried. 157 00:08:28,751 --> 00:08:32,925 ♪ ♪ 158 00:08:32,992 --> 00:08:34,896 Well, it's got some good, fun games. 159 00:08:34,963 --> 00:08:37,200 I had no clue who would do this to him, 160 00:08:37,267 --> 00:08:40,808 to Dan, to our lives, to our children, to James. 161 00:08:42,812 --> 00:08:45,885 I didn't know who wanted him dead. 162 00:08:45,952 --> 00:08:48,557 I had no--no idea. I was scared. 163 00:08:48,623 --> 00:08:51,062 I didn't know who to trust. 164 00:08:51,129 --> 00:08:52,999 What no one knew yet 165 00:08:53,066 --> 00:08:55,403 was that I was murdered to bury 166 00:08:55,470 --> 00:08:57,575 my killer's darkest secrets. 167 00:09:06,459 --> 00:09:09,431 Dan was a great brother. 168 00:09:09,498 --> 00:09:11,301 He was a great son. 169 00:09:11,368 --> 00:09:14,809 He was a great husband, father, uncle, cousin, 170 00:09:14,876 --> 00:09:16,947 and friend to a lot of people. 171 00:09:17,013 --> 00:09:20,854 He was very well-liked within the community. 172 00:09:20,921 --> 00:09:23,728 I would like to thank, um, Pepper Fest for placing 173 00:09:23,794 --> 00:09:26,332 their confidence in me to, uh, represent 174 00:09:26,398 --> 00:09:27,602 the village of North Hudson. 175 00:09:27,669 --> 00:09:30,340 It was an honor, and I thank them for that. 176 00:09:30,407 --> 00:09:34,214 James was a very, very loving young man. 177 00:09:34,281 --> 00:09:36,820 Being a funeral director was right up his alley. 178 00:09:36,887 --> 00:09:38,924 He cared about people. 179 00:09:38,991 --> 00:09:43,333 If Dan was here today, knowing what happened to James, 180 00:09:43,399 --> 00:09:45,638 it would break his heart. 181 00:09:45,705 --> 00:09:49,812 ♪ ♪ 182 00:09:49,879 --> 00:09:52,150 My mom came to pick us up 183 00:09:52,217 --> 00:09:53,754 and had the teachers come get us. 184 00:09:53,821 --> 00:09:57,828 And she was crying in the office. 185 00:09:57,895 --> 00:10:01,970 Brought me and my sister up to her room. 186 00:10:02,037 --> 00:10:04,509 Said, "I--I need to talk to you guys. 187 00:10:04,576 --> 00:10:08,049 There's been an accident." 188 00:10:08,115 --> 00:10:12,324 You know, she told us that my father was shot. 189 00:10:12,390 --> 00:10:13,894 And so I initially thought, 190 00:10:13,960 --> 00:10:16,065 "Oh, well, let's go see him at the hospital." 191 00:10:16,132 --> 00:10:18,169 ♪ ♪ 192 00:10:18,236 --> 00:10:20,139 I didn't really get it. 193 00:10:20,206 --> 00:10:21,241 I was only seven. 194 00:10:21,308 --> 00:10:24,114 I was just like, "Okay." 195 00:10:24,181 --> 00:10:25,885 You know, it didn't really hit 196 00:10:25,951 --> 00:10:28,389 until I was a little bit older and I understood 197 00:10:28,455 --> 00:10:32,431 what killing and murder was. 198 00:10:32,497 --> 00:10:34,201 Pedal. Pedal. Pedal! 199 00:10:34,268 --> 00:10:35,170 Kyle, watch out. 200 00:10:35,237 --> 00:10:36,873 Don't-- 201 00:10:36,940 --> 00:10:39,111 Kaitlyn wants to learn how to ride her bike. 202 00:10:39,178 --> 00:10:42,017 It's fun for me to watch the videos, 203 00:10:42,084 --> 00:10:43,887 because that's the only time I kind of get to remember 204 00:10:43,954 --> 00:10:46,359 his voice, is through the videos. 205 00:10:46,425 --> 00:10:49,565 And I also have, like, a little bottle of his cologne 206 00:10:49,632 --> 00:10:51,301 to remember what he smells like. 207 00:10:53,540 --> 00:10:55,376 People were asking, you know, 208 00:10:55,443 --> 00:10:56,647 "Do you have any idea what happened?" 209 00:10:56,713 --> 00:10:58,082 And I said, "No, I have-- 210 00:10:58,149 --> 00:11:01,590 "I have no idea why anybody would want 211 00:11:01,656 --> 00:11:03,827 to murder Dan and James." 212 00:11:03,894 --> 00:11:05,029 Someone walked 213 00:11:05,096 --> 00:11:06,298 into the O'Connell Funeral Home 214 00:11:06,365 --> 00:11:07,234 and gunned down Dan 215 00:11:07,301 --> 00:11:08,871 and his intern, James Ellison. 216 00:11:08,938 --> 00:11:10,741 Investigators are baffled by this case. 217 00:11:10,808 --> 00:11:12,044 Nothing was stolen. 218 00:11:12,110 --> 00:11:13,581 No one knows why anyone would kill 219 00:11:13,647 --> 00:11:14,682 the two victims. 220 00:11:16,184 --> 00:11:18,188 People in Hudson were terrified, 221 00:11:18,255 --> 00:11:21,763 and authorities couldn't put them at ease. 222 00:11:21,830 --> 00:11:24,000 As investigators analyzed the scene, 223 00:11:24,067 --> 00:11:26,238 they sketched out the layout of my office, 224 00:11:26,305 --> 00:11:28,108 trying to piece together a picture 225 00:11:28,175 --> 00:11:30,615 of how the murders unfolded. 226 00:11:30,681 --> 00:11:36,358 Whoever shot Dan and James was standing on the other side 227 00:11:36,425 --> 00:11:38,363 of the office. 228 00:11:38,429 --> 00:11:42,505 They figured I was shot first, behind my desk. 229 00:11:42,572 --> 00:11:45,845 Another bullet struck a painting on the wall. 230 00:11:45,911 --> 00:11:48,216 As James came running to investigate, 231 00:11:48,283 --> 00:11:51,154 they believe the killer hid behind the door, 232 00:11:51,221 --> 00:11:54,395 then shot him in the hand and in the head. 233 00:11:54,462 --> 00:11:57,735 They decided to hold back those details from the public 234 00:11:57,802 --> 00:11:59,672 so they'd always have something 235 00:11:59,739 --> 00:12:01,776 only the killer would know. 236 00:12:01,843 --> 00:12:04,414 One thing in particular made them think 237 00:12:04,481 --> 00:12:07,655 I might have known who shot us. 238 00:12:07,722 --> 00:12:10,126 Dan is a professional, 239 00:12:10,193 --> 00:12:12,865 and if he did not know somebody, 240 00:12:12,932 --> 00:12:15,269 he would walk out in front of his desk 241 00:12:15,336 --> 00:12:17,942 to greet them as they came in the front door 242 00:12:18,008 --> 00:12:20,080 or the hallway. 243 00:12:20,146 --> 00:12:24,254 But there I was, behind my desk. 244 00:12:24,321 --> 00:12:26,860 Because of that, police thought our killings 245 00:12:26,927 --> 00:12:28,495 might not be random. 246 00:12:28,563 --> 00:12:32,805 But they didn't close the door on any theories. 247 00:12:32,871 --> 00:12:34,909 Nothing was precluded. 248 00:12:34,976 --> 00:12:37,948 It was a wide net, no question about it. 249 00:12:38,015 --> 00:12:39,619 Police knew they needed to narrow down 250 00:12:39,686 --> 00:12:42,825 when we were killed to establish a timeline 251 00:12:42,892 --> 00:12:44,729 for who could have done it. 252 00:12:44,796 --> 00:12:49,539 At 1:07 p.m., I had a call with an engraving company. 253 00:12:49,606 --> 00:12:51,843 It means that Dan O'Connell was alive 254 00:12:51,910 --> 00:12:54,348 at 1:07. 255 00:12:56,919 --> 00:13:01,228 At 1:22 p.m., somebody tried to call James Ellison, 256 00:13:01,295 --> 00:13:04,669 and he did not answer his phone. 257 00:13:04,736 --> 00:13:09,979 Sometime after 1:07 but before 1:22, 258 00:13:10,046 --> 00:13:15,256 both Dan and James were shot, or killed. 259 00:13:15,323 --> 00:13:19,900 And at 1:40 p.m., police were dispatched. 260 00:13:22,905 --> 00:13:26,144 ♪ ♪ 261 00:13:26,211 --> 00:13:29,050 My mom was a wreck. 262 00:13:29,117 --> 00:13:31,021 I was too young to even know what was going on, 263 00:13:31,088 --> 00:13:32,057 so I couldn't console her. 264 00:13:32,124 --> 00:13:34,695 I didn't know how. 265 00:13:34,762 --> 00:13:37,266 There was just a bunch of people at our house. 266 00:13:37,333 --> 00:13:40,406 It was just all family and friends. 267 00:13:40,473 --> 00:13:43,379 I remember the priest being at the house, first night. 268 00:13:43,445 --> 00:13:45,149 He was there, just consoling my mom, 269 00:13:45,216 --> 00:13:47,487 praying over her and all that. 270 00:13:47,555 --> 00:13:51,228 We went to St. Patrick's Catholic Church. 271 00:13:51,295 --> 00:13:52,463 And it was very important. 272 00:13:52,531 --> 00:13:54,869 We were both born and raised Catholic. 273 00:13:54,936 --> 00:13:56,906 Ryan Erickson had worked with my dad 274 00:13:56,973 --> 00:14:00,714 and Dan and Mike for funerals. 275 00:14:00,781 --> 00:14:04,221 Having Father Erickson, who was someone I knew well, 276 00:14:04,287 --> 00:14:09,031 comforting my own family was surreal, to say the least. 277 00:14:09,098 --> 00:14:11,201 And while he preached about forgiveness 278 00:14:11,268 --> 00:14:13,005 as a tenet of our faith, 279 00:14:13,072 --> 00:14:14,975 it would be a long time coming 280 00:14:15,042 --> 00:14:18,115 for everyone I loved. 281 00:14:18,182 --> 00:14:19,585 He talked to me at the visitation. 282 00:14:19,652 --> 00:14:21,722 And he did tell me, you know, "One of these days, 283 00:14:21,789 --> 00:14:24,494 you have to forgive the person that did this." 284 00:14:24,562 --> 00:14:28,503 And I said, "I'm not ready for that." 285 00:14:28,570 --> 00:14:30,774 Four days after family gathered at my house 286 00:14:30,841 --> 00:14:34,114 to console one another, police were no further in finding 287 00:14:34,181 --> 00:14:38,791 leads in the murders. 288 00:14:38,857 --> 00:14:42,164 I was laid to rest amid so much uncertainty. 289 00:14:42,230 --> 00:14:46,371 ♪ Thus my savior ♪ 290 00:14:46,438 --> 00:14:50,848 ♪ Lord, there is none like you ♪ 291 00:14:50,915 --> 00:14:54,020 ♪ All of my days ♪ 292 00:14:54,087 --> 00:14:57,394 ♪ I want to praise ♪ 293 00:14:57,461 --> 00:15:01,235 There were just hundreds of people. 294 00:15:01,301 --> 00:15:06,078 It was standing room only in that huge church. 295 00:15:06,145 --> 00:15:08,415 Many people spoke at my funeral. 296 00:15:08,482 --> 00:15:11,388 Several close friends and clergy members, 297 00:15:11,455 --> 00:15:14,194 including Father Erickson. 298 00:15:14,260 --> 00:15:17,000 I consider the sufferings of the present 299 00:15:17,066 --> 00:15:19,104 to be as nothing compared with the glory 300 00:15:19,170 --> 00:15:21,676 to be revealed in us. 301 00:15:21,743 --> 00:15:27,889 There were hundreds and hundreds of EMS, police, 302 00:15:27,955 --> 00:15:29,559 fire personnel, 303 00:15:29,625 --> 00:15:31,195 'cause he had been a paramedic in the cities 304 00:15:31,261 --> 00:15:32,598 for many years. 305 00:15:32,665 --> 00:15:34,769 It was absolutely breathtaking to see 306 00:15:34,836 --> 00:15:40,781 all those first responders in their vehicles, 307 00:15:40,847 --> 00:15:44,053 all the lights on. 308 00:15:44,120 --> 00:15:47,762 On St. Croix County's dispatch, 309 00:15:47,828 --> 00:15:54,174 there was a one minute of silence for Dan O'Connell. 310 00:15:57,213 --> 00:16:00,821 ♪ ♪ 311 00:16:00,888 --> 00:16:02,658 I was at the funeral, 312 00:16:02,725 --> 00:16:07,400 working the outside of the church at that time, 313 00:16:07,467 --> 00:16:11,910 providing security and also documenting 314 00:16:11,977 --> 00:16:14,915 people, license plates, 315 00:16:14,982 --> 00:16:20,761 and also looking for onlookers that would be at the perimeter. 316 00:16:20,828 --> 00:16:24,936 The killer, at times, does show up. 317 00:16:25,003 --> 00:16:26,171 Police were keeping 318 00:16:26,238 --> 00:16:27,875 an eye on things at the funeral. 319 00:16:27,942 --> 00:16:29,845 But they'd only discover later, 320 00:16:29,912 --> 00:16:31,415 the killer was sitting 321 00:16:31,482 --> 00:16:34,589 right there, front and center. 322 00:16:43,607 --> 00:16:46,679 ♪ ♪ 323 00:16:46,746 --> 00:16:51,121 Each morning after sunup, people would drive by. 324 00:16:51,188 --> 00:16:52,725 They'd leave flowers. 325 00:16:52,792 --> 00:16:56,599 They knew what happened, but they didn't know why. 326 00:16:56,666 --> 00:16:59,538 In most cases, there is a suspect right away. 327 00:16:59,605 --> 00:17:02,343 In this case, there was not a clear suspect, 328 00:17:02,410 --> 00:17:05,116 and there wasn't a clear motive. 329 00:17:05,183 --> 00:17:09,390 When there is no suspect, everybody becomes one. 330 00:17:09,457 --> 00:17:13,165 Police will interview 2,000 people in the case, 331 00:17:13,232 --> 00:17:16,071 and no one is off-limits. 332 00:17:16,137 --> 00:17:18,943 I got questioned. Um, the entire family, 333 00:17:19,010 --> 00:17:22,183 O'Connell family, my family even got questioned. 334 00:17:22,250 --> 00:17:25,089 I was literally a suspect as well 335 00:17:25,156 --> 00:17:31,134 because when you find anyone deceased, you are a suspect. 336 00:17:31,969 --> 00:17:35,343 I had a polygraph, uh, voice stress analyzed, 337 00:17:35,410 --> 00:17:36,713 several interviews. 338 00:17:36,780 --> 00:17:39,050 It was thought that, you know, "This guy, 339 00:17:39,117 --> 00:17:41,288 he's telling the truth." 340 00:17:41,354 --> 00:17:43,960 With many people close to me ruled out, 341 00:17:44,027 --> 00:17:46,533 local investigators turned to the FBI 342 00:17:46,600 --> 00:17:49,137 to help dig deeper for clues in the case. 343 00:17:51,108 --> 00:17:54,414 There was information that came in from the FBI 344 00:17:54,481 --> 00:17:58,690 about a religious group based out of Augusta, Wisconsin. 345 00:17:58,757 --> 00:18:03,032 They did not believe in embalming. 346 00:18:03,099 --> 00:18:05,436 The head of that religious group 347 00:18:05,504 --> 00:18:08,075 is Kathryn Padilla. 348 00:18:08,142 --> 00:18:11,716 Augusta is only an hour and a half away from Hudson 349 00:18:11,783 --> 00:18:13,787 and my funeral home. 350 00:18:13,853 --> 00:18:15,156 Kathryn Padilla 351 00:18:15,223 --> 00:18:16,592 and her small band of followers 352 00:18:16,659 --> 00:18:18,930 believed that she was a prophet 353 00:18:18,997 --> 00:18:20,600 and could speak for God. 354 00:18:20,667 --> 00:18:23,305 She and the group thought that the embalming practice 355 00:18:23,372 --> 00:18:24,942 desecrated the body 356 00:18:25,009 --> 00:18:27,180 and that the dead should simply be wrapped 357 00:18:27,246 --> 00:18:28,449 in a white sheet. 358 00:18:28,517 --> 00:18:31,121 There were several letters sent out 359 00:18:31,187 --> 00:18:34,027 to several funeral homes. 360 00:18:34,093 --> 00:18:37,500 I got one the year before James and I were killed. 361 00:18:37,568 --> 00:18:39,404 It was just one paragraph: 362 00:18:39,471 --> 00:18:41,474 "Thus saith the Lord, 363 00:18:41,542 --> 00:18:44,213 because you have heard not the words of the Lord, 364 00:18:44,280 --> 00:18:46,953 "I take from you your sons and daughters 365 00:18:47,020 --> 00:18:48,456 "into early graves. 366 00:18:48,524 --> 00:18:51,862 Prepare for your own burial." 367 00:18:51,929 --> 00:18:54,434 I showed the death threat to my secretary. 368 00:18:54,502 --> 00:18:57,541 She was worried, but I didn't take it seriously. 369 00:18:57,608 --> 00:19:00,480 He just ripped it up and threw it away. 370 00:19:00,547 --> 00:19:02,518 But when similar letters ended up 371 00:19:02,585 --> 00:19:05,189 on the desks of several funeral directors 372 00:19:05,256 --> 00:19:07,226 after James and I were murdered, 373 00:19:07,293 --> 00:19:08,596 the police investigated 374 00:19:08,663 --> 00:19:10,900 everyone tied to the group. 375 00:19:10,967 --> 00:19:14,274 Any people that were involved had alibis on that day. 376 00:19:14,341 --> 00:19:17,447 There was no, um, indication 377 00:19:17,515 --> 00:19:19,384 that they were involved in the murders 378 00:19:19,451 --> 00:19:22,625 of Dan and James. 379 00:19:22,692 --> 00:19:24,562 It's frustrating that investigators 380 00:19:24,629 --> 00:19:26,833 were back to square one. 381 00:19:26,900 --> 00:19:29,137 As for Kathryn, she was charged 382 00:19:29,204 --> 00:19:30,373 with a couple of misdemeanors 383 00:19:30,440 --> 00:19:32,511 for sending the letters. 384 00:19:32,578 --> 00:19:34,849 But prosecutors agreed to drop the charges 385 00:19:34,915 --> 00:19:40,293 if she agreed to stop sending more, which she did. 386 00:19:43,700 --> 00:19:45,937 The first year, a lot of people 387 00:19:46,004 --> 00:19:47,908 came forward with information 388 00:19:47,975 --> 00:19:50,781 that was followed, that hit a dead end. 389 00:19:50,847 --> 00:19:55,456 There were crazy theories going around. 390 00:19:55,524 --> 00:19:58,462 I remember the thoughts of someone breaking in 391 00:19:58,530 --> 00:20:02,504 to get embalming fluid to soak marijuana in 392 00:20:02,571 --> 00:20:05,644 to enhance that experience. 393 00:20:05,711 --> 00:20:07,346 Or somebody went in there 394 00:20:07,413 --> 00:20:09,484 to commit a burglary or robbery, 395 00:20:09,551 --> 00:20:12,624 for maybe some electronics. 396 00:20:12,691 --> 00:20:16,599 Most of the tips dried up within the first year. 397 00:20:16,666 --> 00:20:19,337 Even more discouraging, the following year, 398 00:20:19,404 --> 00:20:22,377 virtually no new tips came in. 399 00:20:22,443 --> 00:20:24,848 Police needed a break in the case. 400 00:20:24,915 --> 00:20:29,191 There was pressure to give some relief to the community 401 00:20:29,257 --> 00:20:31,060 and the family. 402 00:20:31,127 --> 00:20:32,463 No one realized 403 00:20:32,531 --> 00:20:34,869 that a possible clue to solving the murders 404 00:20:34,935 --> 00:20:37,607 had been sitting at the Hudson Police Department, 405 00:20:37,674 --> 00:20:39,878 gathering dust, for a year. 406 00:20:42,751 --> 00:20:46,692 January of 2004, 407 00:20:46,759 --> 00:20:48,796 the chief said he just wanted me 408 00:20:48,863 --> 00:20:52,003 to strictly work on the unsolved murders 409 00:20:52,069 --> 00:20:54,608 of Dan and James. 410 00:20:54,675 --> 00:20:59,150 At first, I went back and I looked, reviewed, 411 00:20:59,217 --> 00:21:04,529 and read most of every report that was written. 412 00:21:04,595 --> 00:21:08,202 I had thought, "Who else is there? 413 00:21:08,268 --> 00:21:15,015 "Who is really close and has a lot of interaction with Dan, 414 00:21:15,082 --> 00:21:17,921 or even with James, at the funeral home?" 415 00:21:17,988 --> 00:21:20,059 One person came to mind, 416 00:21:20,125 --> 00:21:23,465 who had never been questioned as a suspect in my case, 417 00:21:23,533 --> 00:21:26,038 but whose name had come up in another. 418 00:21:26,104 --> 00:21:30,513 We had received a videotape from Bismarck, North Dakota. 419 00:21:30,580 --> 00:21:33,519 That tape was from a young man. 420 00:21:33,586 --> 00:21:39,130 He told them that he was a victim of abuse 421 00:21:39,197 --> 00:21:43,371 while he was in Hudson. 422 00:21:43,438 --> 00:21:45,142 In his videotaped interview 423 00:21:45,209 --> 00:21:46,613 with Bismarck police, 424 00:21:46,679 --> 00:21:49,117 the young man detailed his abuse allegations, 425 00:21:49,184 --> 00:21:51,722 which the agency forwarded to Hudson, 426 00:21:51,789 --> 00:21:54,795 since that's where the events in question occurred. 427 00:21:54,862 --> 00:21:56,999 The tape was in a separate case file, 428 00:21:57,066 --> 00:21:59,404 but police realized the accused 429 00:21:59,471 --> 00:22:02,009 was someone I knew: 430 00:22:02,076 --> 00:22:04,147 someone at my funeral. 431 00:22:06,418 --> 00:22:08,155 When I started college 432 00:22:08,222 --> 00:22:10,058 in Bismarck, North Dakota, 433 00:22:10,125 --> 00:22:12,129 I was taking a psychology course. 434 00:22:12,196 --> 00:22:17,941 And predators came up as what we were discussing, 435 00:22:18,008 --> 00:22:20,948 and so they started explaining what grooming was. 436 00:22:21,014 --> 00:22:25,557 And a lot of bells started going off. 437 00:22:25,624 --> 00:22:26,625 I mean, it was like that text was written 438 00:22:26,692 --> 00:22:29,363 from my experience. 439 00:22:29,430 --> 00:22:31,602 I was in high school. 440 00:22:31,669 --> 00:22:33,138 I must have been a freshman. 441 00:22:33,205 --> 00:22:38,415 I got in a little bit of-- little bit of mischief, 442 00:22:38,481 --> 00:22:39,985 and, uh-- 443 00:22:40,052 --> 00:22:42,323 and found myself with 40 hours of community service 444 00:22:42,389 --> 00:22:43,526 to do through-- 445 00:22:43,593 --> 00:22:46,198 through the--the court. 446 00:22:46,264 --> 00:22:48,068 It was suggested that I could complete 447 00:22:48,135 --> 00:22:52,409 those 40 hours doing work at the church or the rectory. 448 00:22:52,476 --> 00:22:55,149 The parish priest was a pretty trusted-- 449 00:22:55,215 --> 00:22:57,588 pretty trusted person. 450 00:22:57,655 --> 00:23:00,527 Or at least, he should be. 451 00:23:00,594 --> 00:23:02,664 That wasn't the case here. 452 00:23:02,731 --> 00:23:05,603 Not with Father Ryan Erickson. 453 00:23:05,670 --> 00:23:07,774 I guess if we're looking at the spectrum 454 00:23:07,841 --> 00:23:09,878 for Father Erickson, he would be the-- 455 00:23:09,945 --> 00:23:14,522 on the--the end of evil, rather than on good. 456 00:23:17,460 --> 00:23:18,796 ♪ ♪ 457 00:23:18,863 --> 00:23:20,366 I would perform my hours. 458 00:23:20,433 --> 00:23:21,702 A buddy would swing by. 459 00:23:21,769 --> 00:23:23,773 The three of us would do dinner. 460 00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:27,080 And yeah, there was always beer available. 461 00:23:27,146 --> 00:23:30,954 Here's a person who's offering to be a role model 462 00:23:31,021 --> 00:23:33,626 and a mentor to a teenager 463 00:23:33,693 --> 00:23:35,530 who's making some poor decisions. 464 00:23:37,300 --> 00:23:43,078 The events that led up to me requiring community service 465 00:23:43,145 --> 00:23:44,882 were around alcohol. 466 00:23:44,949 --> 00:23:47,887 Again, in hindsight, it was-- it was a perfect-- 467 00:23:47,954 --> 00:23:51,461 it was a perfect fit, you know, for--for him. 468 00:23:51,529 --> 00:23:54,200 We played a game occasionally. 469 00:23:54,267 --> 00:23:55,770 It was called Around the World. 470 00:23:55,837 --> 00:23:58,709 And he had this very antique globe 471 00:23:58,776 --> 00:24:00,614 in the corner of his office. 472 00:24:00,681 --> 00:24:01,849 It was basically a liquor cabinet. 473 00:24:01,916 --> 00:24:03,919 Inside it, there was a half a dozen, 474 00:24:03,986 --> 00:24:05,824 maybe 10 bottles of liquor. 475 00:24:05,891 --> 00:24:08,194 And the--the loser of whatever 476 00:24:08,261 --> 00:24:10,366 the question or the challenge was 477 00:24:10,432 --> 00:24:15,611 would take a shot from somewhere around the world. 478 00:24:15,677 --> 00:24:17,213 It would start off with, you know-- 479 00:24:17,279 --> 00:24:19,317 you know, one or two. 480 00:24:19,384 --> 00:24:20,854 And it would slowly progress to even more. 481 00:24:20,921 --> 00:24:21,855 And, "Hey, you know what? 482 00:24:21,922 --> 00:24:23,358 "You've had too much. 483 00:24:23,425 --> 00:24:25,129 "I'll let your parents know you guys are gonna crash 484 00:24:25,196 --> 00:24:26,231 here tonight." 485 00:24:26,297 --> 00:24:28,669 Like so many victims of abuse, 486 00:24:28,736 --> 00:24:31,608 Thomas came to realize something was wrong, 487 00:24:31,675 --> 00:24:34,982 but he didn't report it right away. 488 00:24:35,049 --> 00:24:38,188 The definition of grooming is forming a relationship 489 00:24:38,255 --> 00:24:40,226 with a young person with the intention 490 00:24:40,292 --> 00:24:41,995 of sexual assault. 491 00:24:42,062 --> 00:24:43,799 Thomas believed that is what 492 00:24:43,866 --> 00:24:45,970 Erickson was doing with him. 493 00:24:46,037 --> 00:24:50,046 When did I realize this was a problem? 494 00:24:50,112 --> 00:24:53,620 When it became completely apparent to me 495 00:24:53,686 --> 00:24:56,859 was the first time I woke up 496 00:24:56,926 --> 00:25:01,467 with no recollection of 80% of the night before. 497 00:25:01,535 --> 00:25:04,006 ♪ ♪ 498 00:25:04,073 --> 00:25:09,150 I had gotten very intoxicated and gotten sick. 499 00:25:09,217 --> 00:25:12,356 And I remembered being brought to a shower 500 00:25:12,423 --> 00:25:14,293 so that I could clean myself, 501 00:25:14,360 --> 00:25:16,965 and I wasn't even really able to stand up. 502 00:25:19,470 --> 00:25:24,715 I know he helped me shower. 503 00:25:24,782 --> 00:25:28,088 ♪ ♪ 504 00:25:28,154 --> 00:25:34,300 And I don't remember... anything. 505 00:25:34,902 --> 00:25:37,641 We were planning on going north 506 00:25:37,708 --> 00:25:40,145 for the weekend, camping. 507 00:25:40,212 --> 00:25:42,483 And I called the Friday afternoon 508 00:25:42,550 --> 00:25:44,555 before we were gonna go, and I canceled. 509 00:25:44,622 --> 00:25:47,292 Um, understanding what grooming is, 510 00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:51,668 I have to wonder if maybe that wasn't kind of his final-- 511 00:25:51,735 --> 00:25:55,944 final part of his plan, was that camping weekend. 512 00:25:56,011 --> 00:25:58,549 Years later, that psychology class 513 00:25:58,616 --> 00:25:59,918 Thomas took in college 514 00:25:59,985 --> 00:26:02,891 is what made him decide to come forward. 515 00:26:02,958 --> 00:26:05,362 In addition to events that were a blur, 516 00:26:05,428 --> 00:26:09,203 he also reported molestation he remembered clearly. 517 00:26:09,270 --> 00:26:13,913 The alleged abuse began two years before my murder. 518 00:26:13,980 --> 00:26:16,886 I went to the Bismarck Police Department 519 00:26:16,952 --> 00:26:19,558 and said that I needed to file a--a report. 520 00:26:19,625 --> 00:26:21,929 ♪ ♪ 521 00:27:15,603 --> 00:27:17,841 No charges were filed at the time 522 00:27:17,908 --> 00:27:20,045 Hudson police received the tape. 523 00:27:20,112 --> 00:27:22,082 Shortly before I was killed, 524 00:27:22,149 --> 00:27:23,853 I told at least one friend 525 00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:25,557 that I'd heard about allegations 526 00:27:25,623 --> 00:27:27,660 against Erickson. 527 00:27:27,727 --> 00:27:29,832 Police didn't know that yet, 528 00:27:29,899 --> 00:27:31,836 but wanted to talk to Thomas regardless, 529 00:27:31,903 --> 00:27:33,539 to look into his reported abuse 530 00:27:33,606 --> 00:27:37,179 and also any potential ties to the murders. 531 00:27:37,246 --> 00:27:39,317 I did interview him. 532 00:27:39,383 --> 00:27:44,694 The main topic at that point was the abuse. 533 00:27:44,761 --> 00:27:48,268 My secondary topic underneath that 534 00:27:48,334 --> 00:27:51,509 was about the murders. 535 00:27:51,576 --> 00:27:53,913 What police were about to find out 536 00:27:53,980 --> 00:27:55,549 about Erickson's past 537 00:27:55,616 --> 00:27:58,122 were things no one expected. 538 00:27:58,188 --> 00:28:00,593 I've been asked if, at the time 539 00:28:00,660 --> 00:28:02,129 that I came forward 540 00:28:02,196 --> 00:28:03,933 with my sexual abuse allegations, 541 00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:06,471 if I thought he was capable of murder. 542 00:28:06,539 --> 00:28:10,412 Somebody who's capable of sexually abusing a minor, 543 00:28:10,479 --> 00:28:14,320 in my opinion, is capable of anything. 544 00:28:14,387 --> 00:28:16,692 Turns out, there was even more to know 545 00:28:16,759 --> 00:28:18,395 about the priest at my parish, 546 00:28:18,462 --> 00:28:22,169 things that would shake my community to its core. 547 00:28:30,319 --> 00:28:33,291 ♪ ♪ 548 00:28:33,358 --> 00:28:37,333 The information that we gathered about Father Ryan 549 00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:39,103 is that he was extreme. 550 00:28:39,169 --> 00:28:41,140 There's a lot of people that thought he was very good, 551 00:28:41,207 --> 00:28:43,579 and he had some big detractors. 552 00:28:43,646 --> 00:28:46,217 As police dug into Erickson's past, 553 00:28:46,284 --> 00:28:50,192 allegations of violent behavior began turning up. 554 00:28:50,259 --> 00:28:52,764 One member of the church reportedly watched him 555 00:28:52,831 --> 00:28:55,970 raise his arms as he pretended to hold a long gun 556 00:28:56,037 --> 00:28:57,407 and shoot at parishioners 557 00:28:57,473 --> 00:28:58,976 he didn't like. 558 00:28:59,043 --> 00:29:01,180 Police collected statements from people, 559 00:29:01,247 --> 00:29:03,652 one of whom said he would shoot fish 560 00:29:03,719 --> 00:29:06,123 just to watch them explode. 561 00:29:06,190 --> 00:29:08,696 He was a very good shot. 562 00:29:08,763 --> 00:29:11,500 While psychologists say there is a known connection 563 00:29:11,568 --> 00:29:13,939 between animal abuse and murder, 564 00:29:14,006 --> 00:29:16,979 it didn't mean Erickson was a killer. 565 00:29:17,046 --> 00:29:20,987 Still, it was unsettling for police. 566 00:29:21,054 --> 00:29:23,826 They wanted to know more about him. 567 00:29:23,893 --> 00:29:25,195 He had quite a gun collection. 568 00:29:25,262 --> 00:29:28,101 He had a couple of shotguns. 569 00:29:28,168 --> 00:29:31,240 He said it was for bear hunting. 570 00:29:31,307 --> 00:29:35,382 He had a large bear tattoo on his bicep, 571 00:29:35,449 --> 00:29:40,458 and that seemed to be a point of pride. 572 00:29:40,526 --> 00:29:43,599 Because the world itself will be freed 573 00:29:43,666 --> 00:29:45,269 from its slavery to corruption 574 00:29:45,335 --> 00:29:48,776 and share in the glories and the freedom 575 00:29:48,843 --> 00:29:50,145 of the children of God. 576 00:29:50,211 --> 00:29:53,986 His sermons were very conservative. 577 00:29:54,053 --> 00:29:57,761 He, um, carried himself in a way that, 578 00:29:57,828 --> 00:30:01,301 um, drew attention to himself. 579 00:30:01,367 --> 00:30:03,071 There were some members of the church 580 00:30:03,138 --> 00:30:06,410 that thought he was odd. 581 00:30:06,477 --> 00:30:07,947 While he was still studying 582 00:30:08,014 --> 00:30:09,651 to be a priest at seminary, 583 00:30:09,718 --> 00:30:12,557 allegations surfaced of sexual misconduct 584 00:30:12,624 --> 00:30:15,997 between Erickson and two different minors. 585 00:30:16,064 --> 00:30:18,134 Erickson even admitted to these incidents, 586 00:30:18,201 --> 00:30:19,938 but church authorities determined 587 00:30:20,005 --> 00:30:21,307 in their own investigation 588 00:30:21,374 --> 00:30:23,512 that the events were not predatory, 589 00:30:23,579 --> 00:30:27,587 and Erickson continued on his path to priesthood. 590 00:30:27,654 --> 00:30:30,760 Different priests that are in the seminary-- 591 00:30:30,827 --> 00:30:32,396 they couldn't believe, uh, 592 00:30:32,462 --> 00:30:35,937 that they allowed him to be a priest. 593 00:30:36,004 --> 00:30:39,745 Ryan Erickson hadn't been at St. Pat's even two years 594 00:30:39,812 --> 00:30:43,484 when I started to hear things from worried parents. 595 00:30:43,552 --> 00:30:46,157 He had just-- was hearing things, 596 00:30:46,224 --> 00:30:49,430 numerous complaints, against Erickson 597 00:30:49,497 --> 00:30:51,400 from church members. 598 00:30:51,467 --> 00:30:54,240 And one of them had even mentioned to me 599 00:30:54,307 --> 00:30:58,248 that they saw Erickson hanging around with boys, 600 00:30:58,315 --> 00:31:01,087 uh, in the river at the retreat. 601 00:31:01,154 --> 00:31:05,997 And then he began to rub mud all over their body. 602 00:31:06,063 --> 00:31:09,070 Everybody confided in Dan. 603 00:31:09,137 --> 00:31:12,209 He just had that aura about him. 604 00:31:12,276 --> 00:31:15,115 If you needed to call somebody and needed help, 605 00:31:15,182 --> 00:31:17,587 he'd be the first person you'd wanna call. 606 00:31:17,654 --> 00:31:23,799 Dan would want to confront Erickson first, 607 00:31:23,866 --> 00:31:28,041 and let him know that-- "I know this about you, 608 00:31:28,108 --> 00:31:29,611 "and I think it's wrong, 609 00:31:29,678 --> 00:31:31,515 "and you need to come forward. 610 00:31:31,582 --> 00:31:35,690 "And if you don't, I'm going to go to the police 611 00:31:35,756 --> 00:31:39,063 with what I know." 612 00:31:39,129 --> 00:31:41,467 The bells started to go off then, 613 00:31:41,535 --> 00:31:45,242 at that point, that we may have something 614 00:31:45,309 --> 00:31:49,718 here, um, as a suspect. 615 00:31:49,785 --> 00:31:53,692 My faith instilled in me compassion and mercy. 616 00:31:53,759 --> 00:31:57,500 I thought a priest would be merciful, too. 617 00:31:57,567 --> 00:31:59,103 I was wrong. 618 00:31:59,170 --> 00:32:00,773 ♪ ♪ 619 00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:02,376 Police would find out later 620 00:32:02,442 --> 00:32:04,013 that Erickson confided in a friend 621 00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:05,983 that he and I had argued 622 00:32:06,050 --> 00:32:07,653 the day before I was killed. 623 00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:09,691 But that friend didn't come forward 624 00:32:09,758 --> 00:32:11,194 with that information right away 625 00:32:11,261 --> 00:32:12,964 because he didn't suspect 626 00:32:13,031 --> 00:32:15,469 a priest could be involved. 627 00:32:15,537 --> 00:32:19,109 The day after that argument, I was dead. 628 00:32:19,176 --> 00:32:21,682 Father Erickson then told the same friend, 629 00:32:21,749 --> 00:32:23,519 "the devil is gone." 630 00:32:23,586 --> 00:32:26,692 ♪ ♪ 631 00:32:26,758 --> 00:32:29,263 Once police had questioned Thomas and looked 632 00:32:29,330 --> 00:32:31,467 into Father Erickson's past, 633 00:32:31,535 --> 00:32:33,672 they needed to interview him face to face. 634 00:32:33,739 --> 00:32:37,045 By that time, he was long gone. 635 00:32:37,112 --> 00:32:43,057 ♪ ♪ 636 00:32:43,124 --> 00:32:46,698 He'd been shuffled to two other parishes after 2003, 637 00:32:46,765 --> 00:32:49,203 once due to parishioner complaints 638 00:32:49,269 --> 00:32:52,442 and once because of his alcohol abuse. 639 00:32:52,510 --> 00:32:55,114 He landed in Hurley, Wisconsin, 640 00:32:55,181 --> 00:32:58,354 a tiny town up north. 641 00:32:58,421 --> 00:33:01,795 Myself and the other detective 642 00:33:01,862 --> 00:33:03,532 went up to Hurley. 643 00:33:03,599 --> 00:33:06,805 So the voices that you'll be hearing on this tape 644 00:33:06,872 --> 00:33:11,915 are Detective Jeff Knopps, Detective Shawn Pettee, 645 00:33:11,982 --> 00:33:17,459 and Father Ryan G. Erickson. 646 00:33:17,527 --> 00:33:21,334 Erickson, when we arrived, invited us in. 647 00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:25,108 But as time went on, he seemed to become 648 00:33:25,175 --> 00:33:28,248 a little bit more guarded. 649 00:33:28,315 --> 00:33:29,885 What stood out in front of me, 650 00:33:29,952 --> 00:33:33,391 and I almost had to take a double look at it, 651 00:33:33,458 --> 00:33:38,401 was the globe that Thomas had mentioned. 652 00:33:38,468 --> 00:33:41,140 And I right away thought that Thomas 653 00:33:41,207 --> 00:33:43,444 was not making up this story. 654 00:33:43,512 --> 00:33:46,618 He was a reliable victim. 655 00:34:47,405 --> 00:34:50,513 The thing is, police knew the news media 656 00:34:50,579 --> 00:34:53,653 never reported where I was sitting. 657 00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:55,790 He seemed to know 658 00:34:55,857 --> 00:34:59,798 things that the public did not know: 659 00:34:59,865 --> 00:35:04,674 that Dan and James each were shot once in the head, and... 660 00:35:05,677 --> 00:35:08,849 That Dan was behind the desk. 661 00:35:08,916 --> 00:35:14,459 And also, James had walked into the room 662 00:35:14,527 --> 00:35:18,434 after Dan had already been shot. 663 00:35:18,501 --> 00:35:21,240 The killer could not exit the funeral home 664 00:35:21,307 --> 00:35:23,444 without James seeing him, 665 00:35:23,512 --> 00:35:27,252 so the killer shoots James and then leaves. 666 00:35:27,319 --> 00:35:31,829 ♪ ♪ 667 00:35:31,895 --> 00:35:34,333 All of this was information police 668 00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:36,204 had in their back pocket. 669 00:35:36,270 --> 00:35:38,508 They had never revealed those details, 670 00:35:38,575 --> 00:35:40,445 even after all these years. 671 00:35:40,513 --> 00:35:43,118 We were actually quiet in the car 672 00:35:43,185 --> 00:35:45,957 on our return trip to Hudson. 673 00:35:46,023 --> 00:35:49,163 Then we began to talk, and it was kind of like, 674 00:35:49,230 --> 00:35:55,509 "Wow. This may be the killer." 675 00:36:04,326 --> 00:36:06,096 We would go back 676 00:36:06,163 --> 00:36:08,001 and interview Erickson again 677 00:36:08,068 --> 00:36:09,838 in Ladysmith, Wisconsin, 678 00:36:09,905 --> 00:36:11,206 at the sheriff's office. 679 00:36:11,273 --> 00:36:16,584 He arrived in his full cassock. 680 00:36:16,651 --> 00:36:19,089 Erickson was troubled. 681 00:36:19,156 --> 00:36:24,133 He was not the man the people thought that he was. 682 00:36:24,199 --> 00:36:28,141 I believe that Erickson killed Dan to keep the secret 683 00:36:28,207 --> 00:36:29,476 from getting out 684 00:36:29,544 --> 00:36:32,751 about his abuse of the children, 685 00:36:32,817 --> 00:36:34,520 the alcohol, 686 00:36:34,587 --> 00:36:37,359 who he actually was 687 00:36:37,426 --> 00:36:40,866 behind the cassock that he would wear. 688 00:36:40,933 --> 00:36:42,770 The reason that we're up here again-- 689 00:36:42,837 --> 00:36:44,741 we talked to you before-- is about the double homicide 690 00:36:44,808 --> 00:36:47,446 that happened at the, uh, O'Connell Funeral Home 691 00:36:47,514 --> 00:36:51,789 on Tuesday, February 5, 2002. 692 00:36:51,855 --> 00:36:55,562 Um, at that time, you were living in Hudson. 693 00:36:55,629 --> 00:36:57,499 In Hudson, at the rectory. 694 00:36:57,567 --> 00:36:59,269 I hate to ask, but am I a suspect 695 00:36:59,336 --> 00:37:01,440 in Dan O'Connell's murder? That's, uh-- 696 00:37:01,507 --> 00:37:02,877 Well, you understand where we're coming from. 697 00:37:02,944 --> 00:37:04,547 We told you, we got-- we got a void on that day... 698 00:37:04,614 --> 00:37:05,650 - Yeah, I understand. - And we're trying 699 00:37:05,717 --> 00:37:06,551 to fill that in. 700 00:37:06,618 --> 00:37:08,856 Do you know why he was killed? 701 00:37:08,922 --> 00:37:11,460 No, I don't know why he was killed. 702 00:37:11,528 --> 00:37:13,231 Why was James Ellison killed? 703 00:37:13,297 --> 00:37:14,667 I don't know. 704 00:37:14,734 --> 00:37:17,005 In the course of this investigation, 705 00:37:17,072 --> 00:37:21,782 never once has anybody from the Hudson Police Department 706 00:37:21,849 --> 00:37:27,726 ever mentioned where the bodies were, positions, et cetera. 707 00:37:27,793 --> 00:37:29,765 Nor, in the course of this investigation, 708 00:37:29,831 --> 00:37:34,707 through 1,900 and some people, has anybody ever brought up 709 00:37:34,774 --> 00:37:38,448 a speculation, a probability, a possibility, 710 00:37:38,515 --> 00:37:40,285 or anything like that, 711 00:37:40,352 --> 00:37:43,091 as far as where the bodies were. 712 00:37:43,158 --> 00:37:46,865 Nor has anybody told us how many times they were shot, 713 00:37:46,932 --> 00:37:48,201 or where they were shot. 714 00:37:48,267 --> 00:37:50,706 Why do you know that? 715 00:37:50,773 --> 00:37:52,175 I don't know why I know that. 716 00:37:52,242 --> 00:37:53,612 It could have been office talk. 717 00:37:53,679 --> 00:37:55,315 It could have been from the media, okay? 718 00:37:55,382 --> 00:37:56,852 I'm not sure. 719 00:37:56,919 --> 00:37:59,489 He had also asked people 720 00:37:59,557 --> 00:38:01,561 before this interview 721 00:38:01,628 --> 00:38:04,366 if they could give him an alibi, 722 00:38:04,432 --> 00:38:08,976 which--nobody was able to give him an alibi 723 00:38:09,042 --> 00:38:12,750 on the day and the times of the murders. 724 00:38:12,817 --> 00:38:14,921 You didn't go to the church. 725 00:38:14,988 --> 00:38:17,225 You didn't tell anybody up at the church where you're going. 726 00:38:17,292 --> 00:38:22,268 They tried to make contact with you. 727 00:38:22,335 --> 00:38:25,375 They were looking for your assistance 728 00:38:25,442 --> 00:38:27,547 up at the funeral home. 729 00:38:27,614 --> 00:38:30,553 You were nowhere to be found. 730 00:38:30,619 --> 00:38:33,592 I don't know where I was, other than to say 731 00:38:33,658 --> 00:38:35,863 I could have been shopping. 732 00:38:35,929 --> 00:38:37,533 They pushed him pretty hard. 733 00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:40,204 They thought he was gonna say something. 734 00:38:40,271 --> 00:38:43,546 And, uh-- but he didn't confess. 735 00:38:43,612 --> 00:38:47,687 You don't quite understand the predicament I'm in. 736 00:38:47,754 --> 00:38:49,991 The only one thing I love above everything else, 737 00:38:50,057 --> 00:38:51,695 that's being a priest. 738 00:38:51,762 --> 00:38:53,732 And it's the only thing I've ever wanted. 739 00:38:53,799 --> 00:38:57,305 Do you think the person that killed these two men 740 00:38:57,372 --> 00:38:59,143 can really live with themselves? 741 00:38:59,209 --> 00:39:00,178 I don't believe so. 742 00:39:00,245 --> 00:39:01,782 I don't think anybody-- 743 00:39:01,848 --> 00:39:03,117 Don't you think it just-- don't you just think it 744 00:39:03,184 --> 00:39:04,654 just would eat them right up? 745 00:39:04,721 --> 00:39:06,658 I don't believe anybody who would kill somebody 746 00:39:06,725 --> 00:39:09,496 could live with it. 747 00:39:09,564 --> 00:39:11,902 Police believe the opposite. 748 00:39:11,969 --> 00:39:14,974 Someone definitely was doing that, 749 00:39:15,041 --> 00:39:19,015 and that person was Father Erickson. 750 00:39:19,082 --> 00:39:21,755 After the interview, police asked Erickson 751 00:39:21,822 --> 00:39:24,025 if they could search his car. 752 00:39:24,092 --> 00:39:28,635 When he said yes, they found something troubling. 753 00:39:28,702 --> 00:39:33,879 He had a fully loaded 9-millimeter handgun, 754 00:39:33,946 --> 00:39:38,722 and that that gun had been uncased 755 00:39:38,789 --> 00:39:40,993 underneath the seat of his car. 756 00:39:41,060 --> 00:39:43,866 When asked, "Why would you carry 757 00:39:43,933 --> 00:39:46,203 a loaded handgun underneath your seat?" 758 00:39:46,270 --> 00:39:48,241 he states, "You never know 759 00:39:48,308 --> 00:39:50,445 when you're gonna hit a deer." 760 00:39:50,512 --> 00:39:53,752 It wasn't the gun used to kill James and me, 761 00:39:53,819 --> 00:39:55,121 but that didn't change 762 00:39:55,187 --> 00:39:57,527 police's point of view on Erickson. 763 00:39:57,593 --> 00:40:02,469 Erickson wanted to be the priest so bad, 764 00:40:02,536 --> 00:40:06,444 he would kill in order to stay a priest. 765 00:40:09,517 --> 00:40:13,157 ♪ ♪ 766 00:40:18,602 --> 00:40:22,876 ♪ ♪ 767 00:40:22,943 --> 00:40:25,014 It took a week to get a search warrant 768 00:40:25,081 --> 00:40:27,118 for the rectory where Erickson lived 769 00:40:27,185 --> 00:40:28,889 in Hurley, Wisconsin. 770 00:40:28,956 --> 00:40:33,698 I did contact the police chief in Hurley. 771 00:40:33,765 --> 00:40:38,909 I said, "I don't know how Erickson is going to react." 772 00:40:38,975 --> 00:40:42,550 When the chief started knocking on the door, 773 00:40:42,617 --> 00:40:45,088 Erickson began to run up the stairs 774 00:40:45,155 --> 00:40:47,727 and had to be stopped from running up the stairways 775 00:40:47,794 --> 00:40:49,997 up towards his bedroom. 776 00:40:53,070 --> 00:40:57,579 There was a lot of child porn on his computers. 777 00:40:57,646 --> 00:41:03,190 It was obvious he had tried to get rid of all of that. 778 00:41:03,257 --> 00:41:05,829 The forensic labs were still able 779 00:41:05,896 --> 00:41:07,667 to find these files 780 00:41:07,733 --> 00:41:10,137 deep into the system. 781 00:41:10,204 --> 00:41:12,175 While possession of child pornography 782 00:41:12,241 --> 00:41:15,516 is illegal, it didn't mean he was a murderer. 783 00:41:15,582 --> 00:41:18,555 Police kept searching for more clues. 784 00:41:18,622 --> 00:41:20,993 We found a handgun-- 785 00:41:21,060 --> 00:41:25,636 magazine was loaded-- in his sock drawers. 786 00:41:25,703 --> 00:41:30,779 I believe that it may have been an attempt, 787 00:41:30,846 --> 00:41:34,787 if he could get to it, by suicide by cop. 788 00:41:34,854 --> 00:41:36,657 He had a lot of other guns, 789 00:41:36,724 --> 00:41:38,829 too, just like Thomas said, 790 00:41:38,895 --> 00:41:41,033 but not the one they were looking for: 791 00:41:41,099 --> 00:41:44,540 the one used to kill James and me. 792 00:41:44,607 --> 00:41:46,009 I don't think we were real surprised, 793 00:41:46,076 --> 00:41:48,615 because if somebody's gonna use that gun in a homicide, 794 00:41:48,682 --> 00:41:50,819 they're not gonna keep it. 795 00:41:50,886 --> 00:41:52,623 Not finding the murder weapon 796 00:41:52,690 --> 00:41:54,159 was a setback, 797 00:41:54,226 --> 00:41:57,967 but police continued to put their case together. 798 00:41:58,034 --> 00:42:00,573 Erickson was in a fragile state. 799 00:42:00,639 --> 00:42:03,210 Police worried about his mental health. 800 00:42:03,277 --> 00:42:06,250 He spent the next two days venting about the cops 801 00:42:06,316 --> 00:42:08,287 to his friends. 802 00:42:08,354 --> 00:42:10,759 Then, on a snowy Sunday 803 00:42:10,826 --> 00:42:13,131 less than a week before Christmas, 804 00:42:13,197 --> 00:42:14,366 it was too much. 805 00:42:16,538 --> 00:42:19,376 St. Mary's Church was preparing for mass, 806 00:42:19,443 --> 00:42:23,184 like any other Sunday morning. 807 00:42:23,250 --> 00:42:27,392 Father Ryan Erickson was preparing for something else. 808 00:42:30,465 --> 00:42:35,909 ♪ ♪ 809 00:42:35,976 --> 00:42:38,013 I got a call. It was Sunday morning. 810 00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:41,086 Father Ryan had hung himself from the fire escape, 811 00:42:41,153 --> 00:42:44,661 and he's dead. 812 00:42:44,727 --> 00:42:46,096 I said, of course, 813 00:42:46,163 --> 00:42:47,332 "Did he--well, was there any confession? 814 00:42:47,398 --> 00:42:50,104 Did you find a note?" 815 00:42:50,171 --> 00:42:55,148 "Please have masses said for my soul's rest." 816 00:42:55,215 --> 00:42:58,789 It was Father Ryan Erickson's last wish. 817 00:42:58,856 --> 00:43:00,124 He also left letters 818 00:43:00,191 --> 00:43:02,095 for his friends and his parents, 819 00:43:02,162 --> 00:43:04,833 and a ring he wore every day-- 820 00:43:04,900 --> 00:43:07,573 the ring shaped like a crown of thorns, 821 00:43:07,640 --> 00:43:09,009 a symbol of suffering 822 00:43:09,076 --> 00:43:10,946 harkening back to Christ. 823 00:43:11,012 --> 00:43:14,253 It's the same ring he tapped on the table nervously 824 00:43:14,319 --> 00:43:16,891 when being questioned by police about the murders. 825 00:43:16,958 --> 00:43:18,662 Only one thing I love 826 00:43:18,728 --> 00:43:20,298 above everything else, 827 00:43:20,364 --> 00:43:21,366 that's being a priest. 828 00:43:21,433 --> 00:43:23,806 And it's the only thing I've ever wanted. 829 00:43:23,872 --> 00:43:25,442 The worn book used 830 00:43:25,509 --> 00:43:27,913 when administering the sacrament of penance, 831 00:43:27,980 --> 00:43:30,218 found on his body when he hanged himself, 832 00:43:30,284 --> 00:43:34,393 begs the question-- did he wrestle with his sins? 833 00:43:34,459 --> 00:43:36,998 It's about contrition, confession, 834 00:43:37,065 --> 00:43:39,469 penance, and absolution. 835 00:43:39,537 --> 00:43:41,841 The man was a sick individual. 836 00:43:41,908 --> 00:43:44,412 Erickson wanted attention, 837 00:43:44,479 --> 00:43:48,655 and he got it that day when he killed himself, 838 00:43:48,722 --> 00:43:51,226 for everybody to see before church. 839 00:43:51,293 --> 00:43:54,834 I was absolutely thrilled to death the guy was dead. 840 00:43:54,901 --> 00:43:57,472 He deserved to die. 841 00:43:57,540 --> 00:44:00,879 What we had found was a last will and testament, 842 00:44:00,946 --> 00:44:03,250 a suicide note, uh, saying 843 00:44:03,317 --> 00:44:07,091 that he was sorry about Thomas. 844 00:44:07,158 --> 00:44:10,933 But in there, he did say that, uh, 845 00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:14,607 he did not kill Dan and James. 846 00:44:14,674 --> 00:44:17,646 That ran counter to what he said to the deacon 847 00:44:17,713 --> 00:44:19,683 sometime during the 12 days 848 00:44:19,750 --> 00:44:23,457 between Erickson's meeting with police and his suicide. 849 00:44:23,525 --> 00:44:29,804 After Erickson's suicide, the deacon had stated to us, 850 00:44:29,870 --> 00:44:32,542 Erickson stated, "I did it. 851 00:44:32,609 --> 00:44:34,713 And they're gonna catch me." 852 00:44:38,087 --> 00:44:40,357 I remember we had a meeting on, what do we do? 853 00:44:40,424 --> 00:44:43,565 We said, "Let's continue the investigation." 854 00:44:43,632 --> 00:44:44,767 It would take 855 00:44:44,834 --> 00:44:47,172 what's called a John Doe hearing 856 00:44:47,239 --> 00:44:49,877 to determine whether police and prosecutors 857 00:44:49,944 --> 00:44:51,781 had enough evidence to prove 858 00:44:51,848 --> 00:44:53,150 Erickson was the killer. 859 00:44:53,217 --> 00:44:55,254 Well, John Doe is like a grand jury, 860 00:44:55,321 --> 00:44:57,058 except that's in front of a judge. 861 00:44:57,125 --> 00:44:59,830 So you present evidence in front of a judge. 862 00:44:59,897 --> 00:45:03,037 We heard from a bus driver. 863 00:45:03,104 --> 00:45:06,309 She saw Dan that morning. 864 00:45:06,376 --> 00:45:09,984 Dan had asked if she had ever seen Erickson 865 00:45:10,051 --> 00:45:13,123 with boys, or around boys. 866 00:45:13,190 --> 00:45:16,029 He also stated that he was going to meet 867 00:45:16,096 --> 00:45:20,371 Erickson later that afternoon. 868 00:45:20,438 --> 00:45:24,580 I believe that Dan had come into the office, 869 00:45:24,647 --> 00:45:28,487 was behind his desk. 870 00:45:28,555 --> 00:45:32,195 He was going to have a meeting with Erickson. 871 00:45:32,262 --> 00:45:34,534 Instead of the speaking with him, 872 00:45:34,601 --> 00:45:38,373 that's when Erickson shot and killed Dan. 873 00:45:39,577 --> 00:45:43,952 ♪ ♪ 874 00:45:44,019 --> 00:45:47,425 James walked in, saw Dan. 875 00:45:47,492 --> 00:45:51,634 ♪ ♪ 876 00:45:51,701 --> 00:45:53,938 Erickson could not exit or leave 877 00:45:54,005 --> 00:45:56,176 the funeral home without being seen, 878 00:45:56,243 --> 00:45:58,447 so then he had to kill James. 879 00:45:58,515 --> 00:46:02,723 ♪ ♪ 880 00:46:02,790 --> 00:46:04,159 At a certain point in the evidence, 881 00:46:04,226 --> 00:46:07,600 he asked the judge to make a probable cause finding. 882 00:46:07,666 --> 00:46:10,739 Judge Lundell--he said that in his opinion, 883 00:46:10,806 --> 00:46:13,611 it would--met the standard of beyond a reasonable doubt. 884 00:46:13,678 --> 00:46:15,882 I remember that stood out. 885 00:46:15,949 --> 00:46:19,255 It's a very strong case, uh, for probability. 886 00:46:19,322 --> 00:46:22,729 Uh, on a scale of, uh, one to ten, 887 00:46:22,796 --> 00:46:23,899 as far as strength of evidence, 888 00:46:23,965 --> 00:46:25,869 I would consider this a ten. 889 00:46:25,936 --> 00:46:27,606 The judge cited a deacon 890 00:46:27,673 --> 00:46:29,275 who says Erickson confessed, 891 00:46:29,342 --> 00:46:31,012 the fact that one of the victims 892 00:46:31,079 --> 00:46:32,381 was about to confront the priest 893 00:46:32,448 --> 00:46:34,687 with allegations of sexual abuse of minors, 894 00:46:34,754 --> 00:46:36,356 and the priest's knowledge 895 00:46:36,423 --> 00:46:38,193 of secret details of the killings 896 00:46:38,260 --> 00:46:40,532 known only to police. 897 00:46:43,605 --> 00:46:48,180 ♪ ♪ 898 00:46:48,247 --> 00:46:49,817 When my murder happened, 899 00:46:49,884 --> 00:46:51,453 it was early on in the discovery 900 00:46:51,521 --> 00:46:53,423 of the priest sex abuse scandals 901 00:46:53,490 --> 00:46:55,395 that would rock the Catholic Church 902 00:46:55,461 --> 00:46:58,602 for decades and blanket the airwaves. 903 00:46:58,668 --> 00:47:01,874 News coverage in the region focused on the murders 904 00:47:01,941 --> 00:47:03,678 and on people hoping for change 905 00:47:03,745 --> 00:47:05,716 on a local and national level. 906 00:47:05,783 --> 00:47:06,884 Parents stood 907 00:47:06,951 --> 00:47:08,555 outside St. Francis Xavier church 908 00:47:08,622 --> 00:47:10,124 this morning to remember. 909 00:47:10,191 --> 00:47:11,561 They held posters with pictures 910 00:47:11,628 --> 00:47:14,031 of Dan O'Connell and James Ellison, 911 00:47:14,098 --> 00:47:15,769 but they also handed out flyers 912 00:47:15,836 --> 00:47:18,875 hoping to raise awareness about priest sex abuse 913 00:47:18,941 --> 00:47:21,446 going on right now across the country. 914 00:47:21,514 --> 00:47:25,955 Some 80% of the victims were boys-- 915 00:47:26,022 --> 00:47:28,461 boys like Thomas, whom I wanted to protect 916 00:47:28,528 --> 00:47:32,402 from predators like Ryan Erickson. 917 00:47:32,468 --> 00:47:36,076 ♪ Standing outside with my mouth open wide ♪ 918 00:47:36,143 --> 00:47:38,615 ♪ Ah, ah, ah-ah, ah-ah-ah, ah-ah-ah ♪ 919 00:47:43,257 --> 00:47:45,628 What's that? And how old are you? 920 00:47:45,695 --> 00:47:47,231 Two. 921 00:47:47,298 --> 00:47:50,204 I would have rather have him get caught 922 00:47:50,271 --> 00:47:54,881 and go through a trial and be put in prison, 923 00:47:54,948 --> 00:47:57,586 instead of taking the easy way out 924 00:47:57,653 --> 00:48:00,090 and trying to avoid all that. 925 00:48:02,094 --> 00:48:03,965 It was pretty merciful of Dan 926 00:48:04,032 --> 00:48:06,838 to have given him the opportunity 927 00:48:06,905 --> 00:48:08,608 to come forward himself 928 00:48:08,675 --> 00:48:12,816 instead of somebody else, um, going to the diocese, 929 00:48:12,883 --> 00:48:14,252 going to police. 930 00:48:14,319 --> 00:48:17,225 I think Dan would see it as the ultimate betrayal. 931 00:48:17,292 --> 00:48:19,029 My family would say 932 00:48:19,095 --> 00:48:21,500 that's just the kind of guy I was: 933 00:48:21,567 --> 00:48:23,871 merciful, kind. 934 00:48:23,938 --> 00:48:26,644 He would actually give you the shirt off his back, 935 00:48:26,711 --> 00:48:29,984 which--he actually gave the suit off of his back 936 00:48:30,050 --> 00:48:32,957 to a gentleman that had lost his, uh, 16-year-old daughter 937 00:48:33,024 --> 00:48:34,492 in a car accident. 938 00:48:34,560 --> 00:48:37,599 This man said that he didn't have a suit to wear 939 00:48:37,666 --> 00:48:39,269 to his daughter's funeral. 940 00:48:39,336 --> 00:48:40,939 Then Dan had him stand up and said, 941 00:48:41,006 --> 00:48:43,545 "Well, you kind of look like you're about my size." 942 00:48:43,612 --> 00:48:47,251 He says, "I will have it cleaned and pressed, 943 00:48:47,318 --> 00:48:50,324 and I'll get a tie for you." 944 00:48:50,391 --> 00:48:53,230 Dan was an absolutely compassionate man. 945 00:48:53,297 --> 00:48:56,403 He was just born with it. 946 00:48:56,470 --> 00:48:58,742 Two weeks before I died, 947 00:48:58,808 --> 00:49:01,781 I drove with Detective Jeffrey Knopps, 948 00:49:01,848 --> 00:49:03,450 whom I'd known for years, 949 00:49:03,517 --> 00:49:06,123 to the funeral of a police officer. 950 00:49:06,190 --> 00:49:08,294 We talked about a lot of things, 951 00:49:08,361 --> 00:49:11,499 but not what I knew about Ryan Erickson. 952 00:49:11,567 --> 00:49:14,640 To this day, yeah, I don't know why he didn't tell me. 953 00:49:19,149 --> 00:49:21,053 ♪ ♪ 954 00:49:21,119 --> 00:49:24,827 I'll need a Kleenex, quick. 955 00:49:24,894 --> 00:49:29,168 I just wish that, um... 956 00:49:29,235 --> 00:49:32,943 ♪ ♪ 957 00:49:33,010 --> 00:49:35,348 Dan would have just, you know, 958 00:49:35,415 --> 00:49:41,493 said something to us, to me, to law enforcement, 959 00:49:41,561 --> 00:49:43,497 about the priest. 960 00:49:43,565 --> 00:49:47,773 Because, um, possibly, you know, could have saved 961 00:49:47,839 --> 00:49:53,350 his and James's life. 962 00:49:53,417 --> 00:49:56,022 What a sick, twisted person, 963 00:49:56,089 --> 00:49:59,897 speaking at my father's funeral. 964 00:49:59,963 --> 00:50:04,205 Uh, just a lot of emotions. 965 00:50:04,272 --> 00:50:07,145 ♪ ♪ 966 00:50:07,212 --> 00:50:10,519 A lot of just betrayal. 967 00:50:10,585 --> 00:50:16,931 I mean, he's the reason why I don't go to church anymore. 968 00:50:20,004 --> 00:50:27,117 ♪ ♪ 969 00:50:28,788 --> 00:50:31,627 My dad would feel horrible, what happened to James. 970 00:50:31,694 --> 00:50:34,166 It's just the wrong place at the wrong time for him, 971 00:50:34,232 --> 00:50:36,804 and--young kid. 972 00:50:36,871 --> 00:50:40,444 It's just--it--it's horrible, what happened to him. 973 00:50:46,423 --> 00:50:49,496 My dad was trying to protect 974 00:50:49,563 --> 00:50:53,137 not just the boys that he was molesting, 975 00:50:53,204 --> 00:50:56,677 but future boys, trying to end this. 976 00:50:56,744 --> 00:50:58,615 Thinking that this person, who was held 977 00:50:58,681 --> 00:51:00,418 with such high esteem in the community, 978 00:51:00,484 --> 00:51:02,288 ultimately put his life on the line 979 00:51:02,355 --> 00:51:05,494 over a rumor for a boy he'd never met, 980 00:51:05,562 --> 00:51:06,898 and I was that-- 981 00:51:06,964 --> 00:51:08,033 I was that boy. 982 00:51:08,100 --> 00:51:14,179 Um, it-- 983 00:51:14,245 --> 00:51:16,283 there was a lot of guilt. 984 00:51:16,350 --> 00:51:18,120 If Thomas didn't come forward, 985 00:51:18,186 --> 00:51:21,326 I don't think today we would know who did it. 986 00:51:21,393 --> 00:51:25,334 I think he was the final piece to this big puzzle. 987 00:51:25,401 --> 00:51:29,577 And it was two years after, and I firmly believe 988 00:51:29,643 --> 00:51:32,783 God gave us those two years to get our hearts ready 989 00:51:32,850 --> 00:51:34,820 to find out who did it. 990 00:51:34,887 --> 00:51:36,857 ♪ ♪ 991 00:51:36,924 --> 00:51:40,732 I learned early on that death is part of life-- 992 00:51:40,799 --> 00:51:45,542 not a part to be feared, but to be accepted. 993 00:51:45,609 --> 00:51:48,113 Whether it comes quickly or slowly, 994 00:51:48,180 --> 00:51:53,758 is unexpected or planned for, it is inevitable. 995 00:51:53,825 --> 00:51:57,632 It's also hard for those who are left behind. 996 00:51:57,699 --> 00:52:01,139 As the Irish prayer outside the funeral home promises, 997 00:52:01,205 --> 00:52:03,477 we'll meet again. 998 00:52:03,545 --> 00:52:06,116 Until then, there should be comfort 999 00:52:06,183 --> 00:52:09,355 in knowing I died as I lived-- 1000 00:52:09,422 --> 00:52:11,961 in service to others. 1001 00:52:12,028 --> 00:52:19,141 ♪ ♪ 78437

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