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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:08,931 --> 00:00:10,862 Narrator: This vast solar power plant 2 00:00:10,965 --> 00:00:13,241 being built in the remote Arizona desert 3 00:00:13,344 --> 00:00:16,586 is part of the biggest economic rescue effort in history. 4 00:00:16,689 --> 00:00:19,655 - While the cost of action will be great, 5 00:00:19,758 --> 00:00:22,413 I can assure you that the cost of inaction 6 00:00:22,517 --> 00:00:24,758 will be far greater. 7 00:00:24,862 --> 00:00:26,551 Narrator: With the economy still struggling, 8 00:00:26,655 --> 00:00:28,448 the American government is shelling out 9 00:00:28,551 --> 00:00:30,827 three quarters of $1 trillion 10 00:00:30,931 --> 00:00:33,034 to try to haul the country out of trouble. 11 00:00:35,137 --> 00:00:37,379 And in Britain, billions are being spent 12 00:00:37,482 --> 00:00:39,034 to accelerate growth, 13 00:00:39,137 --> 00:00:42,275 even by a government determined to cut borrowing. 14 00:00:42,379 --> 00:00:45,034 Is this really the right road to take? 15 00:00:45,137 --> 00:00:47,068 After the crash in 2008, 16 00:00:47,172 --> 00:00:49,413 the world seemed to be running out of cash. 17 00:00:49,517 --> 00:00:51,413 But rather than cut back, 18 00:00:51,517 --> 00:00:53,034 governments spent huge amounts of money 19 00:00:53,137 --> 00:00:56,137 they didn't have. Why on earth would they do that? 20 00:00:57,241 --> 00:00:58,793 It all goes back 21 00:00:58,896 --> 00:01:01,896 to the extraordinary ideas of this man - 22 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:04,965 the British economist John Maynard Keynes. 23 00:01:05,068 --> 00:01:07,758 Quite simply, he changed the world. 24 00:01:07,862 --> 00:01:10,034 - I think it is true that he's one of the great figures 25 00:01:10,137 --> 00:01:12,448 of the 20th century and in many ways, 26 00:01:12,551 --> 00:01:14,482 of the 21st century. 27 00:01:14,586 --> 00:01:17,137 Narrator: Keynes thought capitalism was brilliant, 28 00:01:17,241 --> 00:01:18,517 but left to its own devices, 29 00:01:18,620 --> 00:01:20,344 it could also go seriously wrong. 30 00:01:20,448 --> 00:01:22,103 It was up to governments to step in 31 00:01:22,206 --> 00:01:24,172 to get the economy back on track. 32 00:01:25,482 --> 00:01:27,379 - He was the archetypal man 33 00:01:27,482 --> 00:01:29,482 in Whitehall, Westminster or Cambridge 34 00:01:29,586 --> 00:01:31,620 who thought he knew best. 35 00:01:31,724 --> 00:01:34,448 Narrator: Keynes has never been more relevant or controversial 36 00:01:34,551 --> 00:01:36,000 than he is today. 37 00:01:36,103 --> 00:01:39,103 Because for the first time since the 1930s, 38 00:01:39,206 --> 00:01:41,551 the problems he was grappling with then - 39 00:01:41,655 --> 00:01:44,000 bank failures, international crises, 40 00:01:44,103 --> 00:01:47,034 the possibility of a long economic slump - 41 00:01:47,137 --> 00:01:49,724 we're facing, too. 42 00:01:49,827 --> 00:01:51,241 In this series, we'll explore the stories 43 00:01:51,344 --> 00:01:54,000 of the lives and world-changing thinking 44 00:01:54,103 --> 00:01:57,862 of three men with dramatically polarised views. 45 00:01:57,965 --> 00:02:03,413 Karl Marx, Friedrich Hayek, and tonight, Keynes. 46 00:02:03,517 --> 00:02:06,137 They're the ones who taught us the awesome power of money. 47 00:02:06,241 --> 00:02:08,586 The good that markets and capitalism could do, 48 00:02:08,689 --> 00:02:11,172 but also, the enormous trouble they could bring. 49 00:02:12,689 --> 00:02:14,206 Could these radical thinkers 50 00:02:14,310 --> 00:02:17,793 help us understand the huge mess we're in? 51 00:02:17,896 --> 00:02:20,275 Could their ideas help us get out of it? 52 00:02:37,620 --> 00:02:40,103 Narrator: The quiet hills of Northwest England. 53 00:02:41,413 --> 00:02:43,241 This is economics in action. 54 00:02:51,827 --> 00:02:54,034 [engine revs] 55 00:03:02,448 --> 00:03:05,689 These rally cars are competing in the Tour of Cumbria. 56 00:03:10,689 --> 00:03:13,137 The sponsors, Pirelli, are getting a slice 57 00:03:13,241 --> 00:03:16,034 of the government's £2.4 billion fund 58 00:03:16,137 --> 00:03:18,172 to help regional growth and employment. 59 00:03:19,551 --> 00:03:20,482 They want to show 60 00:03:20,586 --> 00:03:21,758 what the company's really all about. 61 00:03:29,103 --> 00:03:32,034 Pirelli's one of the world's biggest tyre makers. 62 00:03:32,137 --> 00:03:34,517 It's been manufacturing in Britain for almost a century. 63 00:03:37,448 --> 00:03:40,310 It wants to develop some of its top ranges 64 00:03:40,413 --> 00:03:42,000 and beef up research and development. 65 00:03:44,689 --> 00:03:46,413 But the sums hadn't been adding up. 66 00:03:59,103 --> 00:04:02,448 This factory's one of Carlisle's biggest employers. 67 00:04:02,551 --> 00:04:04,620 There are about 750 workers here, 68 00:04:04,724 --> 00:04:07,068 producing 10,000 tyres a day. 69 00:04:08,068 --> 00:04:09,137 Not so long ago, 70 00:04:09,241 --> 00:04:11,931 people worried the company would shift production overseas 71 00:04:12,034 --> 00:04:13,827 to cut costs. 72 00:04:15,793 --> 00:04:18,344 A £2 million government grant 73 00:04:18,448 --> 00:04:21,413 has persuaded Pirelli to invest in Britain instead. 74 00:04:22,551 --> 00:04:24,241 - When we have a major investment, 75 00:04:24,344 --> 00:04:26,000 the confidence in people 76 00:04:26,103 --> 00:04:29,379 to spend their wages is increased 77 00:04:29,482 --> 00:04:31,620 and the local economy benefits. 78 00:04:31,724 --> 00:04:34,827 And it's not only Pirelli employees. 79 00:04:34,931 --> 00:04:37,517 We have hundreds of suppliers and contractors 80 00:04:37,620 --> 00:04:39,827 who depend on this factory, 81 00:04:39,931 --> 00:04:43,793 and they benefit also when Pirelli increases its spend 82 00:04:43,896 --> 00:04:47,034 and also they recycle that money into the local economy. 83 00:04:48,379 --> 00:04:50,172 Narrator: It might seem surprising, 84 00:04:50,275 --> 00:04:52,000 a handout to a private company 85 00:04:52,103 --> 00:04:53,413 when the government's so worried 86 00:04:53,517 --> 00:04:55,379 about the mounting national debt - 87 00:04:55,482 --> 00:04:57,517 now more than £1 trillion. 88 00:04:58,689 --> 00:05:00,896 But Keynes was quite clear. 89 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:02,689 There are times when we need to step in 90 00:05:02,793 --> 00:05:05,413 to make capitalism work for us. 91 00:05:05,517 --> 00:05:08,551 Even when that means spending money we don't have. 92 00:05:08,655 --> 00:05:11,586 - What Keynes said was that it was possible 93 00:05:11,689 --> 00:05:14,241 for a government to come in 94 00:05:14,344 --> 00:05:16,517 and make markets work better. 95 00:05:16,620 --> 00:05:20,689 So, one way that it's often put is that, 96 00:05:20,793 --> 00:05:24,241 Keynes saved capitalism from the capitalists. 97 00:05:26,034 --> 00:05:28,034 Narrator: Though for Keynes critics, 98 00:05:28,137 --> 00:05:31,310 it's mistakes by governments that really cause the trouble. 99 00:05:32,344 --> 00:05:34,655 - When we find instances of economies 100 00:05:34,758 --> 00:05:37,206 being seriously knocked out of equilibrium, 101 00:05:37,310 --> 00:05:40,586 it's generally been as a result of government policy mistakes. 102 00:05:40,689 --> 00:05:43,758 But Keynes didn't really make a convincing case 103 00:05:43,862 --> 00:05:47,000 that even when an economy was knocked out of equilibrium, 104 00:05:47,103 --> 00:05:49,379 that government action could do better 105 00:05:49,482 --> 00:05:53,379 than allowing the economy to essentially mend itself. 106 00:05:56,586 --> 00:05:58,896 Narrator: Keynes is either an economic saviour, 107 00:05:59,000 --> 00:06:01,344 or the man who led us all astray. 108 00:06:01,448 --> 00:06:04,034 But he was at the centre of the debate 80 years ago, 109 00:06:04,137 --> 00:06:06,206 and he's back there again today. 110 00:06:08,206 --> 00:06:11,206 A great weight is lifted from us. 111 00:06:11,310 --> 00:06:12,827 Narrator: This is the only known film 112 00:06:12,931 --> 00:06:14,413 of Keynes speaking. 113 00:06:14,517 --> 00:06:17,448 There's no danger of the exchange falling too far, 114 00:06:17,551 --> 00:06:19,862 there's no danger of a serious rise 115 00:06:19,965 --> 00:06:21,241 in the cost of living. 116 00:06:21,344 --> 00:06:23,724 Narrator: It's a broadcast about economics. 117 00:06:23,827 --> 00:06:26,068 How to share out the world's resources. 118 00:06:26,172 --> 00:06:28,241 Meanwhile, British trade... 119 00:06:28,344 --> 00:06:30,931 Narrator: But for Keynes, this was no dry science. 120 00:06:31,034 --> 00:06:33,827 It was about changing the world for the better. 121 00:06:33,931 --> 00:06:36,482 - I think if we're looking at Britons 122 00:06:36,586 --> 00:06:39,586 who made a real difference in the 20th century, 123 00:06:40,379 --> 00:06:41,517 the most obvious name 124 00:06:41,620 --> 00:06:43,034 would be Winston Churchill. 125 00:06:43,137 --> 00:06:44,275 John Maynard Keynes 126 00:06:44,379 --> 00:06:46,000 is really not far behind. 127 00:06:49,551 --> 00:06:52,103 Narrator: Keynes spent years in this house in London, 128 00:06:52,206 --> 00:06:54,137 developing ideas that helped shape 129 00:06:54,241 --> 00:06:57,172 some of the most important events of the past century. 130 00:06:57,275 --> 00:07:01,034 Helping to save capitalism from the Great Depression. 131 00:07:01,137 --> 00:07:03,482 Funding the war against the Nazis. 132 00:07:03,586 --> 00:07:06,620 And building a new post-war economic order 133 00:07:06,724 --> 00:07:09,275 that helped pave the way for decades of growth 134 00:07:09,379 --> 00:07:11,896 and rising prosperity. 135 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:14,620 He had the ear of everyone who mattered. 136 00:07:14,724 --> 00:07:16,137 Presidents and prime ministers 137 00:07:16,241 --> 00:07:18,137 all listened to what he had to say. 138 00:07:18,241 --> 00:07:19,655 Though it was only after his death 139 00:07:19,758 --> 00:07:22,724 that everyone actually started taking his advice. 140 00:07:22,827 --> 00:07:25,896 - I applied to university in 1965, 141 00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:27,793 and the whole intellectual climate 142 00:07:27,896 --> 00:07:31,137 of the time, not just in terms of economics, but politics, 143 00:07:31,241 --> 00:07:33,655 was driven by the idea that Keynes 144 00:07:33,758 --> 00:07:35,310 had solved the economic problem. 145 00:07:36,310 --> 00:07:37,448 Narrator: By the late 1960s, 146 00:07:37,551 --> 00:07:39,827 Keynes ideas were built into the fabric 147 00:07:39,931 --> 00:07:42,206 of pretty much every Western economy. 148 00:07:42,310 --> 00:07:43,758 But he didn't seem to have an answer 149 00:07:43,862 --> 00:07:46,034 to the high inflation of the '70s. 150 00:07:46,137 --> 00:07:49,241 After that, Keynesian fine tuning was out, 151 00:07:49,344 --> 00:07:52,482 and free market ideas gradually took over. 152 00:07:52,586 --> 00:07:55,724 But when the world got into serious bother in 2008, 153 00:07:55,827 --> 00:07:57,689 Keynes was back. 154 00:07:57,793 --> 00:08:01,896 It's ideas that mobilise the world. 155 00:08:02,000 --> 00:08:04,379 On right and left, good and bad. 156 00:08:04,482 --> 00:08:07,103 And Keynes was the author of, in my judgement, 157 00:08:07,206 --> 00:08:09,068 the best suite of ideas 158 00:08:09,172 --> 00:08:10,827 about how to think about capitalism 159 00:08:10,931 --> 00:08:12,551 that there's been. 160 00:08:12,655 --> 00:08:15,620 And if you think that counts, then, he counts. 161 00:08:24,551 --> 00:08:26,275 Narrator: So what are these great ideas 162 00:08:26,379 --> 00:08:28,482 that have dominated our economic landscape 163 00:08:28,586 --> 00:08:29,862 for so long? 164 00:08:29,965 --> 00:08:32,413 And where exactly did they come from? 165 00:08:35,724 --> 00:08:39,724 Keynes was born at the height of the British Empire, in 1883, 166 00:08:39,827 --> 00:08:41,620 to middle-class parents 167 00:08:41,724 --> 00:08:43,137 who sent him to Eton 168 00:08:43,241 --> 00:08:44,931 and Cambridge. 169 00:08:45,034 --> 00:08:47,206 So far, so conventional. 170 00:08:48,206 --> 00:08:49,689 But at university, he fell in 171 00:08:49,793 --> 00:08:51,965 with a very unconventional crowd, 172 00:08:52,068 --> 00:08:53,862 The Bloomsbury Set. 173 00:08:53,965 --> 00:08:56,241 As a young man, he spent a lot of time here, 174 00:08:56,344 --> 00:09:00,000 at their country retreat, Charleston, in Sussex. 175 00:09:00,103 --> 00:09:01,482 It was a kind of commune 176 00:09:01,586 --> 00:09:03,896 for artists and writers 177 00:09:04,000 --> 00:09:06,551 and the one economist. 178 00:09:06,655 --> 00:09:10,724 - They did see themselves as very different. 179 00:09:10,827 --> 00:09:12,931 To an extent, they where tinged 180 00:09:13,034 --> 00:09:15,379 by that rather indefinable concept - bohemian. 181 00:09:15,482 --> 00:09:18,482 [up-tempo violin music] 182 00:09:23,931 --> 00:09:25,275 They were very ahead of their time. 183 00:09:25,379 --> 00:09:28,172 They were pioneers about sexual behaviour, 184 00:09:28,275 --> 00:09:30,689 they were pioneers on the political front, 185 00:09:30,793 --> 00:09:34,068 they were pioneers in many aesthetic fields, 186 00:09:34,172 --> 00:09:38,241 in writing and in the arts. 187 00:09:38,344 --> 00:09:39,724 - The Bloomsbury Group allowed him 188 00:09:39,827 --> 00:09:41,275 to step outside of the box 189 00:09:41,379 --> 00:09:43,172 and to think the unthinkable, 190 00:09:43,275 --> 00:09:46,482 and that breadth of intellect that he had 191 00:09:46,586 --> 00:09:49,000 allowed him to leap off cliffs 192 00:09:49,103 --> 00:09:51,724 with the confidence that there was no bottom. 193 00:10:03,689 --> 00:10:05,275 Narrator: Keynes immersed himself 194 00:10:05,379 --> 00:10:07,724 in the cultural world all his life. 195 00:10:07,827 --> 00:10:10,551 Collecting paintings, fine books, 196 00:10:10,655 --> 00:10:14,000 even founding the Arts Theatre, here in Cambridge. 197 00:10:14,103 --> 00:10:15,448 Perhaps it's no coincidence 198 00:10:15,551 --> 00:10:17,862 that a man with such wide-ranging interests 199 00:10:17,965 --> 00:10:19,827 should have the vision to develop 200 00:10:19,931 --> 00:10:22,517 a radically new approach to economics. 201 00:10:22,620 --> 00:10:24,068 Keynesianism. 202 00:10:24,172 --> 00:10:26,068 Shorthand today for government efforts 203 00:10:26,172 --> 00:10:27,655 to control the economy. 204 00:10:29,206 --> 00:10:32,103 [dramatic music] 205 00:10:32,206 --> 00:10:35,758 [crowds shouting] 206 00:10:35,862 --> 00:10:37,379 Narrator: Greek fury at the austerity 207 00:10:37,482 --> 00:10:39,241 they feel has been imposed on them 208 00:10:39,344 --> 00:10:41,000 by their European neighbours. 209 00:10:42,620 --> 00:10:45,000 For Keynes, this might feel a bit familiar. 210 00:10:45,103 --> 00:10:46,620 He saw at first hand 211 00:10:46,724 --> 00:10:49,482 the disaster that can come from stronger countries 212 00:10:49,586 --> 00:10:52,310 dictating economic terms to the weak. 213 00:10:55,758 --> 00:10:59,172 That helped him form his first big idea, 214 00:10:59,275 --> 00:11:01,137 in an interconnected world, 215 00:11:01,241 --> 00:11:04,689 when you beggar your neighbour, you might well beggar yourself. 216 00:11:11,344 --> 00:11:14,758 It was an idea forged by the horrors of World War I. 217 00:11:16,103 --> 00:11:17,862 True to his Bloomsbury values, 218 00:11:17,965 --> 00:11:20,310 Keynes didn't want to fight in the war. 219 00:11:21,896 --> 00:11:24,551 But he was willing to use his economic brilliance 220 00:11:24,655 --> 00:11:25,965 to help finance it, 221 00:11:26,068 --> 00:11:27,827 by working for the British Treasury. 222 00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:34,586 Once the war was over, Keynes could see 223 00:11:34,689 --> 00:11:36,931 how hatred of the defeated Germans 224 00:11:37,034 --> 00:11:41,620 might lead the victors to make a terrible mistake. 225 00:11:41,724 --> 00:11:42,827 - At the end of the First World War, 226 00:11:42,931 --> 00:11:44,137 there was a great deal of, obviously, 227 00:11:44,241 --> 00:11:45,448 public hostility towards Germany. 228 00:11:45,551 --> 00:11:47,034 I mean, it had been 229 00:11:47,137 --> 00:11:48,862 a disastrous war on both, 230 00:11:48,965 --> 00:11:51,103 obviously, in terms of lives and casualties 231 00:11:51,206 --> 00:11:52,793 but economically, too. 232 00:11:52,896 --> 00:11:54,206 I think there was quite a strong feeling 233 00:11:54,310 --> 00:11:56,448 that Germany must be made to pay. 234 00:11:58,793 --> 00:12:00,206 Narrator: At the Palace of Versailles, 235 00:12:00,310 --> 00:12:02,137 where the peace treaty was signed, 236 00:12:02,241 --> 00:12:03,758 British Prime Minister Lloyd George 237 00:12:03,862 --> 00:12:05,896 and his French and American allies, 238 00:12:06,000 --> 00:12:08,379 relished their victory. 239 00:12:08,482 --> 00:12:11,034 Keynes was a member of the British delegation here, 240 00:12:11,137 --> 00:12:12,586 but against his advice, 241 00:12:12,689 --> 00:12:14,655 Germany was ordered to pay everyone's bills 242 00:12:14,758 --> 00:12:17,620 for the damage and suffering caused by the war. 243 00:12:17,724 --> 00:12:21,931 - How could Germany afford to repay that debt? 244 00:12:22,034 --> 00:12:23,724 You need an economy that is running 245 00:12:23,827 --> 00:12:25,655 to produce money, to produce wealth, 246 00:12:25,758 --> 00:12:28,379 and then you can repay. 247 00:12:28,482 --> 00:12:31,000 You cannot repay with, out of nothing. 248 00:12:37,517 --> 00:12:39,103 Narrator: Keynes was so outraged 249 00:12:39,206 --> 00:12:40,827 that he resigned from the Treasury 250 00:12:40,931 --> 00:12:42,896 and retreated to his room in Charleston 251 00:12:43,000 --> 00:12:45,241 to write his first major book, 252 00:12:45,344 --> 00:12:47,896 'The Economic Consequences of the Peace.' 253 00:12:49,137 --> 00:12:51,137 Brilliantly written, it became a bestseller. 254 00:12:51,241 --> 00:12:52,413 Though some said, 255 00:12:52,517 --> 00:12:54,241 with his sympathy for the Germans, 256 00:12:54,344 --> 00:12:56,517 he should be awarded an Iron Cross. 257 00:12:57,758 --> 00:12:59,620 The key point was that he didn't think 258 00:12:59,724 --> 00:13:02,103 the Treaty of Versailles was just unfair, 259 00:13:02,206 --> 00:13:03,620 he thought it was stupid. 260 00:13:03,724 --> 00:13:05,310 He thought a desperate Germany 261 00:13:05,413 --> 00:13:07,068 wasn't going to keep the peace in Europe 262 00:13:07,172 --> 00:13:08,620 and it certainly wasn't going to contribute 263 00:13:08,724 --> 00:13:09,862 to prosperity. 264 00:13:09,965 --> 00:13:11,724 It wasn't going to buy goods from Britain 265 00:13:11,827 --> 00:13:14,172 and help Britain recover from the war. 266 00:13:14,275 --> 00:13:16,206 That's something he kept coming back to 267 00:13:16,310 --> 00:13:18,655 throughout his life - we're all in it together. 268 00:13:20,034 --> 00:13:21,482 The Versailles Treaty 269 00:13:21,586 --> 00:13:24,931 brought one of the great powers of Europe to its knees. 270 00:13:28,206 --> 00:13:29,206 As Keynes predicted, 271 00:13:29,310 --> 00:13:31,413 the German economy descended into chaos. 272 00:13:34,344 --> 00:13:36,137 Their debts were so impossibly large, 273 00:13:36,241 --> 00:13:38,724 they ended up printing the money to pay the bills, 274 00:13:38,827 --> 00:13:41,068 which quickly led to hyperinflation 275 00:13:41,172 --> 00:13:44,103 and a thoroughly worthless currency. 276 00:13:44,206 --> 00:13:46,758 Hyperinflation didn't just destroy the economy, 277 00:13:46,862 --> 00:13:49,620 it destroyed the fabric of German society. 278 00:13:49,724 --> 00:13:51,827 People's hopes, too. 279 00:13:51,931 --> 00:13:54,137 When Keynes warned that the Versailles Treaty 280 00:13:54,241 --> 00:13:57,068 would bring a catastrophe here, even his admirers 281 00:13:57,172 --> 00:13:59,206 might have thought he was exaggerating. 282 00:13:59,310 --> 00:14:01,034 They didn't think that for long. 283 00:14:08,034 --> 00:14:10,103 Just 14 years after the Treaty of Versailles, 284 00:14:10,206 --> 00:14:11,931 Hitler came to power... 285 00:14:12,034 --> 00:14:15,241 - [speaking German] 286 00:14:15,344 --> 00:14:17,689 ..and World War II wasn't far away. 287 00:14:17,793 --> 00:14:20,827 [speaking German] 288 00:14:24,862 --> 00:14:26,620 Narrator: As Keynes had predicted, 289 00:14:26,724 --> 00:14:29,068 the price of getting economic relations wrong 290 00:14:29,172 --> 00:14:30,344 was calamity. 291 00:14:31,103 --> 00:14:32,448 - Keynes foresaw 292 00:14:32,551 --> 00:14:34,551 that the reparations were too onerous, 293 00:14:34,655 --> 00:14:35,655 would have to be adjusted 294 00:14:35,758 --> 00:14:37,551 and that, actually, you were laying the seeds 295 00:14:37,655 --> 00:14:40,103 of the next European conflagration. 296 00:14:40,206 --> 00:14:42,137 He thought it was unbelievably short-sighted. 297 00:14:42,241 --> 00:14:43,344 He was right. 298 00:14:47,344 --> 00:14:50,413 Narrator: So, what would Keynes make of Europe today? 299 00:14:50,517 --> 00:14:52,172 Well, once again, he might see strong countries 300 00:14:52,275 --> 00:14:54,620 dictating economic terms to the weak. 301 00:14:54,724 --> 00:14:56,344 But this time, it's strong countries 302 00:14:56,448 --> 00:14:58,137 like Germany itself, 303 00:14:58,241 --> 00:15:00,344 insisting that crisis-ridden nations, 304 00:15:00,448 --> 00:15:03,275 like Greece, sign up to tough budget cuts 305 00:15:03,379 --> 00:15:06,000 in exchange for emergency loans. 306 00:15:06,103 --> 00:15:08,241 - The dominant thinking in Europe at the moment 307 00:15:08,344 --> 00:15:10,931 is exactly repeating the mistakes, 308 00:15:11,034 --> 00:15:13,172 I believe, certainly as far as Greece is concerned, 309 00:15:13,275 --> 00:15:15,551 as was made at the end of the First World War. 310 00:15:15,655 --> 00:15:17,689 There comes a point, if you visit upon countries 311 00:15:17,793 --> 00:15:20,068 things they can never deliver, it will end in tears. 312 00:15:20,172 --> 00:15:23,000 If you look at what's happening in the Eurozone today, 313 00:15:23,103 --> 00:15:25,000 you know, riots on the streets of Greece, 314 00:15:25,103 --> 00:15:26,586 general strikes in Spain, 315 00:15:26,689 --> 00:15:28,448 general strikes in Portugal, 316 00:15:28,551 --> 00:15:29,724 you can say, well... 317 00:15:30,689 --> 00:15:31,655 ..aren't we just failing 318 00:15:31,758 --> 00:15:34,655 to learn the lessons of history, here? 319 00:15:34,758 --> 00:15:37,586 - I think he would have said, "Let's make weak strong 320 00:15:37,689 --> 00:15:39,586 "so then they can repay their debt." 321 00:15:39,689 --> 00:15:43,034 As long as the debtor pays, the creditor is happy. 322 00:15:43,137 --> 00:15:46,620 But as soon as the debtor gets into difficulties, 323 00:15:46,724 --> 00:15:48,862 and if he's a very important debtor, 324 00:15:48,965 --> 00:15:50,965 the creditor has also problems. 325 00:15:51,068 --> 00:15:52,793 Because he won't get his money back. 326 00:15:54,448 --> 00:15:55,793 Narrator: Faced with the crisis 327 00:15:55,896 --> 00:15:58,068 affecting the people of Europe today, 328 00:15:58,172 --> 00:15:59,965 Keynes would undoubtedly have come up 329 00:16:00,068 --> 00:16:01,448 with some solutions. 330 00:16:04,275 --> 00:16:06,689 In fact, years after the Treaty of Versailles, 331 00:16:06,793 --> 00:16:10,344 he'd unveil a plan for countries to work better together. 332 00:16:10,448 --> 00:16:13,103 But first, there was a more basic question, 333 00:16:13,206 --> 00:16:15,689 how to steer the economy itself. 334 00:16:18,482 --> 00:16:21,172 To tame the economy, to make it work for us, 335 00:16:21,275 --> 00:16:23,482 Keynes realised you first had to understand 336 00:16:23,586 --> 00:16:24,793 how it worked. 337 00:16:24,896 --> 00:16:26,931 But that's easier said than done. 338 00:16:27,034 --> 00:16:28,724 Keynes came to believe that economies 339 00:16:28,827 --> 00:16:31,310 were fundamentally unpredictable. 340 00:16:31,413 --> 00:16:32,931 In fact, he noticed, 341 00:16:33,034 --> 00:16:36,068 the times when the economy looked most predictable, 342 00:16:36,172 --> 00:16:37,379 were usually the times 343 00:16:37,482 --> 00:16:40,448 when things were about to go disastrously wrong. 344 00:16:40,551 --> 00:16:43,586 [dramatic music] 345 00:16:45,689 --> 00:16:47,896 It certainly felt like that in 2008, 346 00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:50,896 when the global financial system imploded 347 00:16:51,000 --> 00:16:53,310 after one of the longest booms in history. 348 00:16:54,793 --> 00:16:56,448 Many claim now to have seen it coming 349 00:16:56,551 --> 00:16:59,172 but at the time, many more behaved 350 00:16:59,275 --> 00:17:01,724 as if the good times would go on and on. 351 00:17:02,655 --> 00:17:06,758 No return to Tory boom and bust. 352 00:17:06,862 --> 00:17:09,103 Narrator: Being too sure about the economic future 353 00:17:09,206 --> 00:17:11,551 was another mistake that Keynes had warned about, 354 00:17:11,655 --> 00:17:12,931 80 years ago. 355 00:17:14,724 --> 00:17:17,620 Because he'd made the same mistake himself. 356 00:17:17,724 --> 00:17:20,758 [peaceful music] 357 00:17:27,586 --> 00:17:29,482 After resigning from the Treasury 358 00:17:29,586 --> 00:17:31,896 after World War I, Keynes retreated 359 00:17:32,000 --> 00:17:34,103 to the sanctuary of his old college, 360 00:17:34,206 --> 00:17:35,965 Kings, in Cambridge. 361 00:17:40,689 --> 00:17:43,241 He was a lecturer and later a bursar, 362 00:17:43,344 --> 00:17:45,275 looking after the college's finances. 363 00:17:53,275 --> 00:17:55,931 He had a special interest in probability theory, 364 00:17:56,034 --> 00:17:57,517 a branch of mathematics 365 00:17:57,620 --> 00:17:59,517 that tries to predict the future 366 00:17:59,620 --> 00:18:02,103 from the evidence of the past. 367 00:18:02,206 --> 00:18:03,862 When he wasn't writing or studying, 368 00:18:03,965 --> 00:18:06,758 Keynes was often betting on the financial market. 369 00:18:06,862 --> 00:18:08,344 He needed money and he thought speculation 370 00:18:08,448 --> 00:18:10,827 was a good way to get it. 371 00:18:10,931 --> 00:18:13,068 But it was also a great way to test his belief 372 00:18:13,172 --> 00:18:15,620 that probability theory and statistics 373 00:18:15,724 --> 00:18:18,896 could help predict the way markets were going to move. 374 00:18:19,000 --> 00:18:21,000 He had very mixed results. 375 00:18:23,137 --> 00:18:24,689 In his early years as an investor, 376 00:18:24,793 --> 00:18:26,827 Keynes sat in bed every morning, 377 00:18:26,931 --> 00:18:28,862 poring over reams of statistics 378 00:18:28,965 --> 00:18:32,586 about currencies, shares, bonds and commodities. 379 00:18:32,689 --> 00:18:34,034 When he was sure he'd worked out 380 00:18:34,137 --> 00:18:37,448 which way the market would move, he'd make the deals. 381 00:18:43,724 --> 00:18:45,517 The Cambridge academic David Chambers 382 00:18:45,620 --> 00:18:46,827 has spent a lot of time 383 00:18:46,931 --> 00:18:49,448 studying Keynes's investment strategies. 384 00:18:53,517 --> 00:18:55,793 - Given this economic knowledge that he had, 385 00:18:55,896 --> 00:18:59,379 this great thirst that he had for numbers and statistics, 386 00:18:59,482 --> 00:19:00,724 he believed, I think, 387 00:19:00,827 --> 00:19:03,310 that he could define, 388 00:19:03,413 --> 00:19:05,206 delineate the business cycle. 389 00:19:06,206 --> 00:19:08,206 And as a consequence of that, 390 00:19:08,310 --> 00:19:10,758 you would be able to pick when was a right time 391 00:19:10,862 --> 00:19:13,586 to be in the stock market, to own shares, 392 00:19:13,689 --> 00:19:16,620 when was the right time to come out of the stock market 393 00:19:16,724 --> 00:19:18,482 into say, bonds, 394 00:19:18,586 --> 00:19:21,689 government bonds, in particular, or alternatively, cash. 395 00:19:23,758 --> 00:19:26,241 Narrator: But none of Keynes's elaborate calculations 396 00:19:26,344 --> 00:19:29,448 pointed out the disaster just around the corner. 397 00:19:32,137 --> 00:19:35,137 Wall Street before the crash in 1929, 398 00:19:35,241 --> 00:19:38,310 looked a lot like the tail end of our market boom. 399 00:19:38,413 --> 00:19:41,103 Investors could see no end to the good times. 400 00:19:41,206 --> 00:19:44,000 Armed with the very latest mathematical models, 401 00:19:44,103 --> 00:19:46,862 they thought they had everything covered. 402 00:19:46,965 --> 00:19:49,241 Then, the bubble burst. 403 00:19:49,344 --> 00:19:51,896 World markets collapsed and Keynes lost money 404 00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:53,413 along with millions of others, 405 00:19:53,517 --> 00:19:55,793 paving the way for the Great Depression. 406 00:19:55,896 --> 00:19:57,620 His confidence in predicting the future 407 00:19:57,724 --> 00:19:59,241 was gone. 408 00:19:59,344 --> 00:20:01,896 - He would have bitterly reproached himself 409 00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:04,482 for not foreseeing the Great Depression. 410 00:20:04,586 --> 00:20:05,965 But he came to the view 411 00:20:06,068 --> 00:20:08,172 that the future is not like that, 412 00:20:08,275 --> 00:20:10,206 that anybody 413 00:20:10,310 --> 00:20:12,862 who happens to predict it right 414 00:20:12,965 --> 00:20:14,448 is likely to be doing so 415 00:20:14,551 --> 00:20:15,689 on the basis of luck 416 00:20:15,793 --> 00:20:17,379 rather than judgement. 417 00:20:17,482 --> 00:20:19,724 Narrator: Then he changed the way he invested, 418 00:20:19,827 --> 00:20:21,344 became a wealthy man. 419 00:20:22,827 --> 00:20:25,103 He'd learned lessons about the way economies work 420 00:20:25,206 --> 00:20:27,241 that we still struggle with today. 421 00:20:28,413 --> 00:20:31,034 That you can never get rid of uncertainty, 422 00:20:31,137 --> 00:20:34,551 and that economies are made up of people, not numbers. 423 00:20:35,724 --> 00:20:37,862 More than anyone, Keynes wanted economics 424 00:20:37,965 --> 00:20:39,896 to be respected as a modern science, 425 00:20:40,000 --> 00:20:42,241 but he knew it was never going to be a science 426 00:20:42,344 --> 00:20:44,068 you he could reduce to a set of equations 427 00:20:44,172 --> 00:20:47,103 or iron predictions. 428 00:20:47,206 --> 00:20:48,862 Because economists were always going to have 429 00:20:48,965 --> 00:20:51,000 one extra thing to deal with - 430 00:20:51,103 --> 00:20:52,344 human nature. 431 00:20:54,517 --> 00:20:55,758 - If you don't know about the future, 432 00:20:55,862 --> 00:20:57,172 and you're trying to get a fix 433 00:20:57,275 --> 00:21:01,206 on what's taking place at any moment in time... 434 00:21:01,310 --> 00:21:03,758 ..you know, you would defer to the crowd. 435 00:21:03,862 --> 00:21:05,034 The crowd is moving in a certain direction, 436 00:21:05,137 --> 00:21:06,344 and you think, "They must be right." 437 00:21:06,448 --> 00:21:07,448 You know, "The crowd's buying. 438 00:21:07,551 --> 00:21:08,965 "What are they buying? I must buy, too!" 439 00:21:09,068 --> 00:21:10,482 "The crowd's selling, I must sell, too!" 440 00:21:10,586 --> 00:21:14,862 And it's very animal. It's very herd. 441 00:21:14,965 --> 00:21:17,310 Narrator: In normal times, any economic textbook, 442 00:21:17,413 --> 00:21:18,896 now, or in Keynes's time, 443 00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:21,275 tells you when something gets more expensive, 444 00:21:21,379 --> 00:21:23,068 people buy less of it. 445 00:21:23,172 --> 00:21:26,034 And when it's cheaper, they buy more. 446 00:21:26,137 --> 00:21:28,137 But not when you get bubbles. 447 00:21:29,655 --> 00:21:30,758 Then, Keynes realised, 448 00:21:30,862 --> 00:21:32,689 a different side of human nature took over, 449 00:21:32,793 --> 00:21:34,137 the side that says 450 00:21:34,241 --> 00:21:36,551 when a house or share goes up in price, 451 00:21:36,655 --> 00:21:38,137 you should buy more of it, 452 00:21:38,241 --> 00:21:40,551 because it's going to go up some more. 453 00:21:40,655 --> 00:21:42,000 Which of course, it does, 454 00:21:42,103 --> 00:21:44,827 because everyone's thinking the same thing. 455 00:21:44,931 --> 00:21:47,448 But eventually, the bubble will burst. 456 00:21:47,551 --> 00:21:48,724 It always does. 457 00:21:52,172 --> 00:21:54,172 In the years before 2008, 458 00:21:54,275 --> 00:21:56,517 did we forget what Keynes had taught us 459 00:21:56,620 --> 00:21:58,103 about herd psychology, 460 00:21:58,206 --> 00:21:59,310 bubbles, 461 00:21:59,413 --> 00:22:01,724 and the uncertainty of economic life? 462 00:22:03,275 --> 00:22:06,793 Did the bankers, investors, politicians and the rest of us 463 00:22:06,896 --> 00:22:08,586 simply get too confident 464 00:22:08,689 --> 00:22:11,827 in thinking the good times would go on forever? 465 00:22:11,931 --> 00:22:14,275 - I think, inasmuch as people actually sat down 466 00:22:14,379 --> 00:22:16,862 and thought about, what were the risks? 467 00:22:16,965 --> 00:22:18,448 What are the uncertainties? 468 00:22:18,551 --> 00:22:20,655 Then, quite clearly, a large number of people 469 00:22:20,758 --> 00:22:22,758 were manifestly found wanting. 470 00:22:22,862 --> 00:22:24,724 And of course, if you don't know what you're doing, 471 00:22:24,827 --> 00:22:26,068 it's not surprising 472 00:22:26,172 --> 00:22:28,241 that you end up being smashed to bits, 473 00:22:28,344 --> 00:22:29,827 and that's precisely what happened. 474 00:22:39,758 --> 00:22:40,965 Narrator: Keynes's big ideas 475 00:22:41,068 --> 00:22:43,034 that countries shouldn't beggar their neighbours, 476 00:22:43,137 --> 00:22:45,586 that markets are unpredictable, 477 00:22:45,689 --> 00:22:47,896 all came out of his own experience. 478 00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:49,793 Now, the arrival of the Great Depression 479 00:22:49,896 --> 00:22:51,862 produced his most important idea yet, 480 00:22:51,965 --> 00:22:55,724 and added real urgency to his need to tame the economy. 481 00:22:56,689 --> 00:22:57,793 What he realised 482 00:22:57,896 --> 00:22:59,793 was that economies might sink, 483 00:22:59,896 --> 00:23:02,517 and then not automatically float back up. 484 00:23:05,448 --> 00:23:08,068 [romantic instrumental music] 485 00:23:08,172 --> 00:23:09,379 In the early '30s, 486 00:23:09,482 --> 00:23:11,827 the outside world was deep in gloom, 487 00:23:11,931 --> 00:23:13,827 with dole queues lengthening 488 00:23:13,931 --> 00:23:15,724 and factories closing everywhere. 489 00:23:15,827 --> 00:23:17,965 But Keynes's life was blissful. 490 00:23:20,275 --> 00:23:23,103 By now, he was famous, and he'd shocked 491 00:23:23,206 --> 00:23:25,034 even his avant-garde Bloomsbury friends 492 00:23:25,137 --> 00:23:27,275 by marrying a Russian ballerina. 493 00:23:27,379 --> 00:23:29,517 Up till then, he'd been gay. 494 00:23:35,172 --> 00:23:38,586 Art, books, love affairs. 495 00:23:38,689 --> 00:23:40,896 For Keynes, this is what life was all about. 496 00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:42,000 But he understood, 497 00:23:42,103 --> 00:23:45,413 probably more keenly than his Bloomsbury friends, 498 00:23:45,517 --> 00:23:46,896 with their inherited wealth, 499 00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:49,241 that money kept the whole thing afloat. 500 00:23:49,344 --> 00:23:51,655 You couldn't have a civilised society 501 00:23:51,758 --> 00:23:54,724 without a well-functioning economy. 502 00:23:54,827 --> 00:23:56,275 When he was back in the real world 503 00:23:56,379 --> 00:23:57,758 on Monday morning, 504 00:23:57,862 --> 00:23:59,655 he could see the British economy 505 00:23:59,758 --> 00:24:01,241 wasn't working at all. 506 00:24:04,137 --> 00:24:06,344 Britain had been in a slump for years. 507 00:24:06,448 --> 00:24:08,275 Classical economists said that if workers 508 00:24:08,379 --> 00:24:10,344 would just agree to wage cuts, 509 00:24:10,448 --> 00:24:12,172 businessmen would invest again, 510 00:24:12,275 --> 00:24:14,965 create jobs, and the economy would revive. 511 00:24:16,655 --> 00:24:18,413 But Keynes disagreed. 512 00:24:18,517 --> 00:24:22,379 He thought the way to recovery was being blocked by pessimism, 513 00:24:22,482 --> 00:24:24,586 or low animal spirits. 514 00:24:25,862 --> 00:24:28,448 - The big insight of Keynes, behind all of this, 515 00:24:28,551 --> 00:24:31,620 was that a market economy is not self-stabilising. 516 00:24:31,724 --> 00:24:33,758 And when you get very big changes 517 00:24:33,862 --> 00:24:35,896 in animal spirits, in sentiment, 518 00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:37,448 where people who are producing 519 00:24:37,551 --> 00:24:38,793 to sell in the future, 520 00:24:38,896 --> 00:24:40,137 suddenly worry that actually, 521 00:24:40,241 --> 00:24:42,172 maybe there won't be the demand in the future, 522 00:24:42,275 --> 00:24:43,724 so they stop producing. 523 00:24:43,827 --> 00:24:46,448 To get out of that low-output trap 524 00:24:46,551 --> 00:24:47,827 can be very difficult. 525 00:24:50,931 --> 00:24:53,103 Narrator: Keynes's realisation that an economy 526 00:24:53,206 --> 00:24:55,551 could stay sunk indefinitely 527 00:24:55,655 --> 00:24:58,655 was a radical break with conventional thinking. 528 00:25:01,827 --> 00:25:04,793 The classical approach said the economy would get better, 529 00:25:04,896 --> 00:25:06,827 we just had to give it time. 530 00:25:06,931 --> 00:25:08,758 But looking around, it seemed obvious to Keynes 531 00:25:08,862 --> 00:25:10,689 that it wasn't getting any better, 532 00:25:10,793 --> 00:25:13,655 and it seemed blindingly obvious why it wasn't. 533 00:25:13,758 --> 00:25:14,931 Every time someone lost their job 534 00:25:15,034 --> 00:25:16,586 and joined the dole queue, 535 00:25:16,689 --> 00:25:18,379 they had less money to spend. 536 00:25:18,482 --> 00:25:20,931 So that meant fewer goods were being bought, 537 00:25:21,034 --> 00:25:23,413 would probably mean more job losses. 538 00:25:23,517 --> 00:25:25,758 You could get caught in a downward spiral 539 00:25:25,862 --> 00:25:27,655 with no obvious way out. 540 00:25:29,793 --> 00:25:31,551 Keynes thought the low animal spirits 541 00:25:31,655 --> 00:25:35,000 in the business world were now infecting everyone. 542 00:25:39,379 --> 00:25:42,103 In a radio broadcast in 1931, 543 00:25:42,206 --> 00:25:45,206 he made a dramatic call for action. 544 00:25:47,827 --> 00:25:50,379 - The slump in trade and employment, 545 00:25:50,482 --> 00:25:53,448 are as bad as the worst which have ever occurred. 546 00:25:54,448 --> 00:25:55,862 Activity and enterprise, 547 00:25:55,965 --> 00:25:57,965 both individually and nationally, 548 00:25:58,068 --> 00:25:59,724 must be the cure. 549 00:26:06,965 --> 00:26:10,344 Narrator: Keynes might have died almost seven decades ago, 550 00:26:10,448 --> 00:26:12,655 but out here in the Arizona desert, 551 00:26:12,758 --> 00:26:13,862 his big idea 552 00:26:13,965 --> 00:26:16,965 for getting the economy moving again lives on. 553 00:26:22,137 --> 00:26:25,586 At Gila Bend, they're building the biggest solar power plant 554 00:26:25,689 --> 00:26:27,241 of its kind in the world. 555 00:26:32,827 --> 00:26:36,241 The site covers over 3.5 square miles. 556 00:26:38,068 --> 00:26:40,827 Nearly a million mirrors will capture enough energy 557 00:26:40,931 --> 00:26:45,103 to provide 70,000 American homes with clean power. 558 00:26:47,137 --> 00:26:49,275 But for the people in this remote region, 559 00:26:49,379 --> 00:26:51,137 and for John Maynard Keynes, 560 00:26:51,241 --> 00:26:53,000 probably the most important thing 561 00:26:53,103 --> 00:26:56,172 this plant will produce is employment. 562 00:26:56,275 --> 00:26:59,482 - Between my wife and I, we probably spent two years 563 00:26:59,586 --> 00:27:02,586 out of work. Thank God, not at the same time, but... 564 00:27:03,758 --> 00:27:05,655 ..but we, uh... 565 00:27:05,758 --> 00:27:07,758 ..we took some very significant hits. 566 00:27:12,206 --> 00:27:15,103 The company that sources our manpower 567 00:27:15,206 --> 00:27:17,724 tells me they receive 300 resumes per day. 568 00:27:17,827 --> 00:27:20,896 There's a lot of people looking for work, 569 00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:24,103 and the people who have jobs out here feel very lucky 570 00:27:24,206 --> 00:27:26,310 to have their jobs. 571 00:27:26,413 --> 00:27:28,379 Narrator: In effect, this plant is part 572 00:27:28,482 --> 00:27:30,241 of a vast Keynesian experiment. 573 00:27:31,103 --> 00:27:32,482 In the wake of the crash, 574 00:27:32,586 --> 00:27:33,931 the US government stumped up 575 00:27:34,034 --> 00:27:35,931 three-quarters of a trillion dollars 576 00:27:36,034 --> 00:27:37,758 for projects like this one 577 00:27:37,862 --> 00:27:39,517 to create jobs and growth. 578 00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:46,965 In normal times, say the people who run this site, 579 00:27:47,068 --> 00:27:49,172 they would've raised the billion and a half dollars 580 00:27:49,275 --> 00:27:50,551 to get things going 581 00:27:50,655 --> 00:27:52,275 from commercial banks. 582 00:27:52,379 --> 00:27:55,000 But these aren't normal times. 583 00:27:55,103 --> 00:27:57,793 - Because of that downturn, we had to... 584 00:27:59,137 --> 00:28:03,172 ..look for alternative sources of financing. 585 00:28:03,275 --> 00:28:05,827 And of course, in this context, 586 00:28:05,931 --> 00:28:08,034 the federal Loan Guarantee Program 587 00:28:08,137 --> 00:28:10,896 here in the US, has helped a lot. 588 00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:14,620 In fact, without that kind of public programs, 589 00:28:14,724 --> 00:28:16,793 this plant would have never been a reality. 590 00:28:19,551 --> 00:28:22,206 Narrator: Now, we're used to governments using their cash 591 00:28:22,310 --> 00:28:24,448 to try to bring the economy to life 592 00:28:24,551 --> 00:28:27,724 in hostile environments, where private money's drying up. 593 00:28:28,758 --> 00:28:30,448 But back in Keynes's day, 594 00:28:30,551 --> 00:28:32,793 it was a much more controversial idea. 595 00:28:39,310 --> 00:28:42,241 In the 1930s, Keynes spent weekdays 596 00:28:42,344 --> 00:28:45,551 at his home, here in London's Bloomsbury district. 597 00:28:45,655 --> 00:28:48,000 He wrote countless articles and pamphlets, 598 00:28:48,103 --> 00:28:51,379 explaining how something could and should be done 599 00:28:51,482 --> 00:28:54,172 to tackle this Great Depression. 600 00:28:54,275 --> 00:28:56,275 In normal times, Keynes thought monetary policy 601 00:28:56,379 --> 00:28:59,034 was the best way to help the economy. 602 00:28:59,137 --> 00:29:01,344 You cut interest rates to encourage people to borrow 603 00:29:01,448 --> 00:29:04,793 and spend more, and companies to invest. 604 00:29:04,896 --> 00:29:06,965 But when animal spirits were really low, 605 00:29:07,068 --> 00:29:08,724 that might not be enough. 606 00:29:08,827 --> 00:29:10,137 Companies might not see the point 607 00:29:10,241 --> 00:29:11,620 of making new investments, 608 00:29:11,724 --> 00:29:13,724 and people might not want to borrow, 609 00:29:13,827 --> 00:29:16,482 no matter how low the interest rates are. 610 00:29:16,586 --> 00:29:18,482 That's when Keynes thought government needed 611 00:29:18,586 --> 00:29:21,517 to make up the gap with more public spending. 612 00:29:24,758 --> 00:29:27,000 Keynes suggested the government should hire people 613 00:29:27,103 --> 00:29:30,344 to demolish South London and then rebuild it. 614 00:29:30,448 --> 00:29:31,517 He wasn't serious, 615 00:29:31,620 --> 00:29:34,206 but he was making a serious point. 616 00:29:34,310 --> 00:29:36,655 If the government borrowed to create jobs, 617 00:29:36,758 --> 00:29:39,103 people would spend more, confidence would rise, 618 00:29:39,206 --> 00:29:41,551 and the economy would recover. 619 00:29:41,655 --> 00:29:42,965 If you picked the right moment, 620 00:29:43,068 --> 00:29:46,275 he insisted the extra spending would pay for itself, 621 00:29:46,379 --> 00:29:48,862 by producing higher tax revenues. 622 00:29:48,965 --> 00:29:50,758 - Well of course, he did have enormous trouble 623 00:29:50,862 --> 00:29:51,896 trying to persuade the Treasury, 624 00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:53,896 the so-called 'treasury view' 625 00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:54,931 that you should borrow 626 00:29:55,034 --> 00:29:56,724 at the bottom of a business cycle. 627 00:29:58,275 --> 00:29:59,896 But in economic terms, 628 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:01,896 what you need is more demand in the economy, 629 00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:04,103 and you can do that in the ways that Keynes suggested. 630 00:30:04,206 --> 00:30:07,068 Naive Keynesian prescriptions of simply responding 631 00:30:07,172 --> 00:30:10,551 to depressions and recessions by raising the budget deficit, 632 00:30:10,655 --> 00:30:13,827 as if this had no effect on other economic, 633 00:30:13,931 --> 00:30:16,034 no adverse effect on other economic variables, 634 00:30:16,137 --> 00:30:17,517 I really think 635 00:30:17,620 --> 00:30:19,172 are very dangerous policy prescriptions. 636 00:30:21,206 --> 00:30:22,965 Narrator: In the '30s, Keynes found 637 00:30:23,068 --> 00:30:25,206 that most British politicians had a similar view - 638 00:30:25,310 --> 00:30:28,000 high borrowing was dangerous. 639 00:30:28,103 --> 00:30:30,103 He thought he might have a more receptive audience 640 00:30:30,206 --> 00:30:31,206 in America. 641 00:30:32,413 --> 00:30:34,103 After all, he was now a celebrity 642 00:30:34,206 --> 00:30:35,586 on both sides of the Atlantic. 643 00:30:35,689 --> 00:30:39,517 And the economic situation in America was desperate. 644 00:30:41,793 --> 00:30:44,896 - Gross national product was down to almost 70%. 645 00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:47,655 You had unemployment nationally at 25%. 646 00:30:47,758 --> 00:30:50,413 In places like Chicago and Detroit, 647 00:30:50,517 --> 00:30:53,000 unemployment was up to 50%, 648 00:30:53,103 --> 00:30:55,689 or over half the population, unemployed. 649 00:30:57,206 --> 00:30:59,586 Narrator: President Hoover's solution to the Great Depression 650 00:30:59,689 --> 00:31:02,241 had been spending cuts and tax rises. 651 00:31:03,068 --> 00:31:04,000 He'd made an argument 652 00:31:04,103 --> 00:31:06,275 we've heard others make more recently - 653 00:31:06,379 --> 00:31:08,827 balancing the country's books would create confidence 654 00:31:08,931 --> 00:31:10,793 and encourage investment. 655 00:31:12,172 --> 00:31:14,793 - Didn't happen, never has happened. 656 00:31:14,896 --> 00:31:17,034 When you cut back government spending, 657 00:31:17,137 --> 00:31:20,206 in a situation such as a recession 658 00:31:20,310 --> 00:31:21,965 or depression, 659 00:31:22,068 --> 00:31:25,482 demand goes down, unemployment goes up, 660 00:31:25,586 --> 00:31:28,620 and it's a vicious circle. 661 00:31:28,724 --> 00:31:32,344 Confidence isn't restored when unemployment goes up, 662 00:31:32,448 --> 00:31:36,275 and when business goes down, confidence is eroded. 663 00:31:37,965 --> 00:31:40,724 Narrator: Hoover's successor, Franklin Delano Roosevelt, 664 00:31:40,827 --> 00:31:42,448 had a different approach. 665 00:31:45,724 --> 00:31:47,793 Again, echoing arguments made today, 666 00:31:47,896 --> 00:31:49,103 he thought the government 667 00:31:49,206 --> 00:31:51,482 should spend its way out of trouble. 668 00:31:51,586 --> 00:31:56,379 - This nation is asking for action, and action now! 669 00:31:56,482 --> 00:31:59,034 [applause] 670 00:32:05,758 --> 00:32:08,931 Narrator: When Keynes arrived in America in 1934, 671 00:32:09,034 --> 00:32:11,034 there's no evidence that he persuaded 672 00:32:11,137 --> 00:32:13,517 the US government to adopt Keynesianism. 673 00:32:15,068 --> 00:32:16,379 They were doing it anyway. 674 00:32:21,827 --> 00:32:23,310 The New Deal. 675 00:32:23,413 --> 00:32:26,241 A vast programme of government-funded projects 676 00:32:26,344 --> 00:32:29,034 to put armies of jobless to work. 677 00:32:29,137 --> 00:32:31,896 Ever since, it's been the celebrated example 678 00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:35,517 of a Keynesian effort to boost flagging economies. 679 00:32:38,448 --> 00:32:41,586 And there's no more iconic project of that era 680 00:32:41,689 --> 00:32:42,896 than this one. 681 00:32:45,413 --> 00:32:46,724 Hoover Dam. 682 00:32:49,448 --> 00:32:51,620 Built across the Colorado River, 683 00:32:51,724 --> 00:32:53,827 bordering Nevada and Arizona, 684 00:32:53,931 --> 00:32:55,793 it was the biggest construction project 685 00:32:55,896 --> 00:32:57,137 in the world. 686 00:33:01,344 --> 00:33:04,413 - I would call it a Keynesian project, absolutely. 687 00:33:04,517 --> 00:33:07,206 The government stepped in with money, 688 00:33:07,310 --> 00:33:09,344 built a deficit, 689 00:33:09,448 --> 00:33:11,344 and out of that came Hoover Dam, 690 00:33:11,448 --> 00:33:14,310 which gave thousands, tens of thousands of people, 691 00:33:14,413 --> 00:33:15,931 a new life - money to spend. 692 00:33:23,517 --> 00:33:25,965 Narrator: Armies of workers from across America 693 00:33:26,068 --> 00:33:27,482 tunnelled for five years 694 00:33:27,586 --> 00:33:30,655 through miles upon mile of mountain rock 695 00:33:30,758 --> 00:33:32,689 to build what was, in effect, 696 00:33:32,793 --> 00:33:34,758 a vast power generator, 697 00:33:34,862 --> 00:33:37,862 providing electricity for huge swathes of the country. 698 00:33:39,448 --> 00:33:41,344 - It primed the economy. 699 00:33:41,448 --> 00:33:44,172 A $165 million investment 700 00:33:44,275 --> 00:33:48,689 which produced billions in growth, economic growth. 701 00:33:56,896 --> 00:33:59,793 Narrator: Just eight miles away is Boulder City, 702 00:33:59,896 --> 00:34:02,655 built to house the workers building the dam. 703 00:34:08,689 --> 00:34:10,827 - All these houses along these avenues 704 00:34:10,931 --> 00:34:13,793 are what we now call "dingbat" houses. 705 00:34:13,896 --> 00:34:16,413 They were the homes built for the workers. 706 00:34:16,517 --> 00:34:18,310 They were put up 707 00:34:18,413 --> 00:34:20,517 to last through the construction of the dam, 708 00:34:20,620 --> 00:34:21,931 very quickly built. 709 00:34:22,034 --> 00:34:23,482 But because people stayed, 710 00:34:23,586 --> 00:34:25,724 which they didn't anticipate people would do, 711 00:34:25,827 --> 00:34:27,931 families still live in them. 712 00:34:28,034 --> 00:34:31,413 Narrator: Roger Shoaff runs the town's hotel. 713 00:34:31,517 --> 00:34:34,034 He thinks Boulder City shows how in a depression, 714 00:34:34,137 --> 00:34:35,862 extra government spending 715 00:34:35,965 --> 00:34:38,931 can trigger private spending and investment, too. 716 00:34:39,034 --> 00:34:41,758 Adding to the economic benefits. 717 00:34:41,862 --> 00:34:44,206 It's what Keynes called "The Multiplier". 718 00:34:46,275 --> 00:34:49,586 - By the end of the second year, they lived in a town. 719 00:34:49,689 --> 00:34:51,689 A full town, fully operating town, 720 00:34:51,793 --> 00:34:54,068 with retail stores and restaurants 721 00:34:54,172 --> 00:34:55,827 and medical facilities 722 00:34:55,931 --> 00:34:58,172 and recreational facilities. 723 00:34:58,275 --> 00:35:01,137 It happened in, you know, less than two years. 724 00:35:02,655 --> 00:35:03,931 Narrator: Critics of Keynesian spending plans 725 00:35:04,034 --> 00:35:06,275 often say the benefits are fleeting, 726 00:35:06,379 --> 00:35:08,896 and the costs permanent. 727 00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:11,448 But Boulder City took root and thrived. 728 00:35:14,758 --> 00:35:17,793 Those who still live here say if hadn't been for the New Deal, 729 00:35:18,758 --> 00:35:20,517 this would still be desert. 730 00:35:26,034 --> 00:35:28,827 Hoover Dam might have helped the local area, 731 00:35:28,931 --> 00:35:30,172 but it's actually a myth 732 00:35:30,275 --> 00:35:32,793 that the New Deal ended the Great Depression. 733 00:35:35,931 --> 00:35:37,862 It took a world war, 734 00:35:37,965 --> 00:35:39,655 and all the extra government spending 735 00:35:39,758 --> 00:35:41,620 that went with that, finally, 736 00:35:41,724 --> 00:35:43,827 to bring the economy out of the doldrums. 737 00:35:47,034 --> 00:35:49,034 You might wonder whether a world war 738 00:35:49,137 --> 00:35:51,896 was really the best test of Keynes's arguments. 739 00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:55,758 But ever since then, so-called Keynesian policies 740 00:35:55,862 --> 00:35:59,482 have been what governments do when faced with emergencies. 741 00:35:59,586 --> 00:36:00,896 And the crisis of 2008 742 00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:04,586 was the biggest emergency anyone had seen for a long time. 743 00:36:06,793 --> 00:36:08,655 When the global financial system crashed, 744 00:36:08,758 --> 00:36:10,724 the world faced the real possibility 745 00:36:10,827 --> 00:36:13,517 of another Great Depression. 746 00:36:13,620 --> 00:36:16,862 Governments had been preaching the free market for years. 747 00:36:17,965 --> 00:36:20,000 But faced with this economic disaster, 748 00:36:20,103 --> 00:36:23,758 they reached again for the old Keynesian levers. 749 00:36:23,862 --> 00:36:25,310 - It was a classic Keynesian response 750 00:36:25,413 --> 00:36:27,586 when individuals stop spending money 751 00:36:27,689 --> 00:36:29,379 and when businesses stop spending money, 752 00:36:29,482 --> 00:36:32,551 if the government also stops spending money at the same time, 753 00:36:32,655 --> 00:36:35,172 then what happens, the economy, basically, crashes. 754 00:36:36,896 --> 00:36:38,413 Narrator: The aim was to boost confidence, 755 00:36:38,517 --> 00:36:40,000 or animal spirits, 756 00:36:40,103 --> 00:36:43,068 by making it easier to borrow, invest and spend. 757 00:36:45,724 --> 00:36:48,931 In 2009, with the global economy still tottering, 758 00:36:49,034 --> 00:36:50,517 leaders gathered in London 759 00:36:50,620 --> 00:36:52,931 to endorse a Keynesian rescue plan 760 00:36:53,034 --> 00:36:54,448 for the entire world. 761 00:36:54,551 --> 00:36:57,965 - This is the day that the world came together 762 00:36:58,068 --> 00:37:00,724 to fight back against the global recession. 763 00:37:00,827 --> 00:37:03,344 I find it very hard to explain 764 00:37:03,448 --> 00:37:04,931 the collapse in world trade 765 00:37:05,034 --> 00:37:07,275 of over 15% in six months, 766 00:37:07,379 --> 00:37:08,482 between the end of '08 767 00:37:08,586 --> 00:37:10,517 and beginning of spring '09, 768 00:37:10,620 --> 00:37:12,896 in terms of anything other than an extraordinary collapse 769 00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:16,068 of animal spirits or confidence. 770 00:37:16,172 --> 00:37:18,517 Now, some of that was turned around in 2009, 771 00:37:18,620 --> 00:37:19,793 but by no means all. 772 00:37:22,793 --> 00:37:24,068 Narrator: Even that great rescue plan 773 00:37:24,172 --> 00:37:25,517 of 2009 774 00:37:25,620 --> 00:37:27,827 wasn't all that it seemed. 775 00:37:27,931 --> 00:37:29,586 For all Gordon Brown's talk, 776 00:37:29,689 --> 00:37:31,275 Britain's own stimulus package 777 00:37:31,379 --> 00:37:33,103 was actually one of the smallest. 778 00:37:33,206 --> 00:37:35,310 Because the government was already borrowing 779 00:37:35,413 --> 00:37:37,482 more than any other advanced economy. 780 00:37:37,586 --> 00:37:38,620 So even a... 781 00:37:38,724 --> 00:37:40,862 ..Keynesian Prime Minister like Gordon Brown, 782 00:37:40,965 --> 00:37:43,862 didn't think Britain could borrow a lot more. 783 00:37:43,965 --> 00:37:47,344 His successor believes in borrowing much less. 784 00:37:47,448 --> 00:37:50,275 After Brown, Britain elected a Prime Minister 785 00:37:50,379 --> 00:37:54,103 who, on one fundamental point, appears to disagree with Keynes. 786 00:37:55,586 --> 00:37:57,931 - Some of the normal things that governments can do 787 00:37:58,034 --> 00:37:59,931 to deal with a normal recession, 788 00:38:00,034 --> 00:38:02,448 like borrowing to cut taxes, 789 00:38:02,551 --> 00:38:04,034 or increasing spending, 790 00:38:04,137 --> 00:38:06,896 these things won't work because they lead to more debt, 791 00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:08,965 which would make the crisis worse. 792 00:38:09,068 --> 00:38:11,827 The only way out of a debt crisis 793 00:38:11,931 --> 00:38:14,034 is to deal with your debts. 794 00:38:14,137 --> 00:38:16,206 I suspect that Keynes probably wouldn't have used, 795 00:38:16,310 --> 00:38:18,862 exactly, the Prime Minister's formulation. 796 00:38:18,965 --> 00:38:21,172 I think that Keynes would've accepted at some point 797 00:38:21,275 --> 00:38:25,413 that you have to head back towards a more balanced budget, 798 00:38:25,517 --> 00:38:27,344 particularly if you don't want to stack debts 799 00:38:27,448 --> 00:38:28,758 onto future generations. 800 00:38:28,862 --> 00:38:30,862 To me, the remarkable thing 801 00:38:30,965 --> 00:38:33,448 is that countries like the UK, 802 00:38:33,551 --> 00:38:35,137 that have a choice, 803 00:38:35,241 --> 00:38:37,379 are voluntarily 804 00:38:37,482 --> 00:38:39,586 putting themselves through austerity, 805 00:38:39,689 --> 00:38:41,896 and, almost certainly, 806 00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:44,586 we will know - we know what will happen. 807 00:38:44,689 --> 00:38:47,137 The economy will get weaker, 808 00:38:48,689 --> 00:38:50,620 unemployment will go up, 809 00:38:50,724 --> 00:38:53,586 and there will be 810 00:38:53,689 --> 00:38:56,965 an enormous amount of unnecessary suffering. 811 00:38:58,413 --> 00:39:00,310 Narrator: This argument will run and run, 812 00:39:00,413 --> 00:39:02,827 on both sides of the Atlantic. 813 00:39:02,931 --> 00:39:04,758 In Arizona, the massive spending programme 814 00:39:04,862 --> 00:39:07,206 that built this solar power plant 815 00:39:07,310 --> 00:39:10,000 and let thousands clock on for new jobs, 816 00:39:10,103 --> 00:39:12,517 hasn't been a miracle cure for the US economy. 817 00:39:14,172 --> 00:39:18,000 Maybe the medicine didn't work because the dose was too small. 818 00:39:18,103 --> 00:39:20,344 Or maybe the mountain of debt 819 00:39:20,448 --> 00:39:22,172 weighing on most Western economies 820 00:39:22,275 --> 00:39:25,758 means the Keynesian route to recovery is simply shut off. 821 00:39:27,103 --> 00:39:29,413 - We are in a stratosphere today 822 00:39:29,517 --> 00:39:31,448 that we just have not seen before. 823 00:39:31,551 --> 00:39:33,206 And maybe it's fine, 824 00:39:33,310 --> 00:39:35,586 but no other countries, very rarely, 825 00:39:35,689 --> 00:39:37,586 have seen these kind of debt levels - 826 00:39:37,689 --> 00:39:39,517 public, private and other measures. 827 00:39:39,620 --> 00:39:40,655 They're a risk. 828 00:39:43,413 --> 00:39:46,689 Narrator: By the 1940s, Keynes was riding high. 829 00:39:46,793 --> 00:39:48,965 His theatre here in Cambridge was thriving, 830 00:39:49,068 --> 00:39:50,344 he was back in the Treasury, 831 00:39:50,448 --> 00:39:52,724 helping finance the Second World War, 832 00:39:52,827 --> 00:39:55,586 and his books were being hailed as masterpieces. 833 00:39:57,517 --> 00:40:01,000 But he had one last big idea to pursue 834 00:40:01,103 --> 00:40:04,206 with profound implications for the world, then and now. 835 00:40:07,137 --> 00:40:09,620 Keynes's ideas for fixing broken economies 836 00:40:09,724 --> 00:40:11,275 had now been tested. 837 00:40:11,379 --> 00:40:12,931 But towards the end of World War II, 838 00:40:13,034 --> 00:40:14,724 he got a chance to leave his mark 839 00:40:14,827 --> 00:40:17,103 on the entire global economy. 840 00:40:17,206 --> 00:40:20,310 In a more integrated world, he was more convinced than ever 841 00:40:20,413 --> 00:40:22,482 that countries needed institutions 842 00:40:22,586 --> 00:40:25,620 to force them together, make them cooperate. 843 00:40:25,724 --> 00:40:27,862 The catastrophe after World War I 844 00:40:27,965 --> 00:40:29,413 could never happen again. 845 00:40:36,931 --> 00:40:38,758 The single most important trip to America 846 00:40:38,862 --> 00:40:41,862 that Keynes ever took was in 1944, 847 00:40:41,965 --> 00:40:43,862 to the exclusive resort of Bretton Woods, 848 00:40:43,965 --> 00:40:45,344 in New Hampshire. 849 00:40:47,137 --> 00:40:48,137 He was joining delegates 850 00:40:48,241 --> 00:40:50,137 from over 40 different countries, 851 00:40:50,241 --> 00:40:52,241 all charged with laying the foundations 852 00:40:52,344 --> 00:40:55,137 of a new, post-war global economy. 853 00:40:56,620 --> 00:40:58,517 - They wanted to rebuild the system, 854 00:40:58,620 --> 00:41:01,793 not just from the war, but from the Great Depression. 855 00:41:01,896 --> 00:41:04,758 The financial system had just been destroyed. 856 00:41:06,482 --> 00:41:08,517 Narrator: The economic chaos of the '20s and '30s 857 00:41:08,620 --> 00:41:11,965 was largely responsible for the war, Keynes believed. 858 00:41:14,551 --> 00:41:17,206 Countries had all focused on charting their own path, 859 00:41:17,310 --> 00:41:18,344 without very much thought 860 00:41:18,448 --> 00:41:20,034 for what was going on around them. 861 00:41:21,931 --> 00:41:24,034 The world had paid a terrible price 862 00:41:24,137 --> 00:41:26,137 for that failure to cooperate. 863 00:41:29,827 --> 00:41:32,413 There was a real determination among officials, 864 00:41:32,517 --> 00:41:34,620 both in London and in Washington, that... 865 00:41:35,482 --> 00:41:36,931 ..we couldn't do this again. 866 00:41:37,034 --> 00:41:39,137 We had to fix the world's economy, 867 00:41:39,241 --> 00:41:40,551 we couldn't go back 868 00:41:40,655 --> 00:41:44,344 to the kind of economic crisis we'd had before 869 00:41:44,448 --> 00:41:46,793 because we couldn't afford another world war. 870 00:41:50,965 --> 00:41:52,793 Narrator: As representatives from across the world 871 00:41:52,896 --> 00:41:54,965 gathered here at Mount Washington Hotel, 872 00:41:55,068 --> 00:41:57,931 elsewhere, there was still ferocious fighting. 873 00:41:58,034 --> 00:42:00,931 But once the war was over, Keynes knew 874 00:42:01,034 --> 00:42:02,896 for the world economy to prosper, 875 00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:04,827 countries would need to work together 876 00:42:04,931 --> 00:42:06,068 much more closely. 877 00:42:07,931 --> 00:42:09,827 Only two delegations at the conference 878 00:42:09,931 --> 00:42:13,034 really counted - Keynes's British team 879 00:42:13,137 --> 00:42:14,517 and the Americans. 880 00:42:16,310 --> 00:42:18,241 Both agreed that there should be controls 881 00:42:18,344 --> 00:42:20,586 to prevent currencies fluctuating too wildly 882 00:42:20,689 --> 00:42:22,586 against each other. 883 00:42:22,689 --> 00:42:23,758 They agreed, too, 884 00:42:23,862 --> 00:42:26,517 that institutions that later became the World Bank 885 00:42:26,620 --> 00:42:28,034 and International Monetary Fund, 886 00:42:28,137 --> 00:42:31,793 should be there to foster trade and growth in poorer economies. 887 00:42:33,137 --> 00:42:35,758 - Well, the big gain from it was the recognition 888 00:42:35,862 --> 00:42:37,896 that countries need to work together 889 00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:39,896 to resolve their macro economic problems. 890 00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:41,379 It's just not enough to pretend 891 00:42:41,482 --> 00:42:43,758 that you can do it as an island. 892 00:42:43,862 --> 00:42:45,586 You may be an island geographically, 893 00:42:45,689 --> 00:42:47,241 but you're not economically. 894 00:42:50,103 --> 00:42:51,448 Narrator: But on one crucial issue 895 00:42:51,551 --> 00:42:52,586 Keynes failed. 896 00:42:53,689 --> 00:42:54,862 The Americans were adamant 897 00:42:54,965 --> 00:42:56,965 that rich, exporting countries like them 898 00:42:57,068 --> 00:42:59,862 shouldn't have to spend more and export less 899 00:42:59,965 --> 00:43:01,896 to balance world trade. 900 00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:04,068 It was weak countries with big trade deficits 901 00:43:04,172 --> 00:43:05,310 that had to shape up. 902 00:43:07,310 --> 00:43:10,586 If everyone at Bretton Woods had accepted Keynes's logic, 903 00:43:10,689 --> 00:43:12,103 that it takes all sides 904 00:43:12,206 --> 00:43:14,137 to keep the global economy in balance, 905 00:43:14,241 --> 00:43:17,379 the world today might be in a lot better shape. 906 00:43:22,172 --> 00:43:24,379 This old East German television tower 907 00:43:24,482 --> 00:43:26,689 is a symbol of reunified Germany. 908 00:43:28,103 --> 00:43:30,793 These days, feelings of European unity 909 00:43:30,896 --> 00:43:32,379 are in short supply. 910 00:43:35,413 --> 00:43:36,655 Ministers here in Berlin 911 00:43:36,758 --> 00:43:38,551 want struggling Eurozone countries 912 00:43:38,655 --> 00:43:40,137 to impose tough measures 913 00:43:40,241 --> 00:43:42,068 to get their economies into shape. 914 00:43:43,413 --> 00:43:45,793 The stronger countries have been willing to help 915 00:43:45,896 --> 00:43:47,862 by offering massive loans, 916 00:43:47,965 --> 00:43:48,896 but I don't think Keynes 917 00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:52,000 would have thought that was enough. 918 00:43:52,103 --> 00:43:54,551 Keynes thought that for the global economy to work, 919 00:43:54,655 --> 00:43:56,896 there had to be a two-way street. 920 00:43:57,000 --> 00:43:58,931 So weak countries that had run up a lot of debt 921 00:43:59,034 --> 00:44:00,137 with the rest of the world, 922 00:44:00,241 --> 00:44:02,689 they did have to become more competitive, 923 00:44:02,793 --> 00:44:05,310 learn to pay their way. 924 00:44:05,413 --> 00:44:08,172 But the rich exporters had to do their bit, as well. 925 00:44:08,275 --> 00:44:10,793 Prepare to spend more on other countries' goods, 926 00:44:10,896 --> 00:44:12,310 and export less. 927 00:44:12,413 --> 00:44:14,655 Become a bit less competitive. 928 00:44:14,758 --> 00:44:16,310 That's a bit of Keynesian advice 929 00:44:16,413 --> 00:44:18,655 that doesn't go down well in Germany at all. 930 00:44:21,034 --> 00:44:23,344 - If you say Germany should export less 931 00:44:23,448 --> 00:44:24,620 or become less competitive, 932 00:44:24,724 --> 00:44:27,827 the popular view is that that's mad. 933 00:44:27,931 --> 00:44:31,482 Why getting us weak, when others are already weak? 934 00:44:31,586 --> 00:44:33,344 And certainly, that's the wrong conclusion. 935 00:44:37,034 --> 00:44:38,344 Narrator: There are signs of movement 936 00:44:38,448 --> 00:44:40,000 on Germany's side of the street. 937 00:44:45,379 --> 00:44:47,793 Domestic car sales have been going up. 938 00:44:50,448 --> 00:44:52,793 But exports are still a central plank 939 00:44:52,896 --> 00:44:54,586 of the country's economic policies. 940 00:44:57,103 --> 00:44:58,827 And car exports are up 941 00:44:58,931 --> 00:45:01,586 by almost a third in the past two years. 942 00:45:03,379 --> 00:45:06,551 German consumers have been spending more, lately. 943 00:45:06,655 --> 00:45:09,379 But not enough to provide much of a selling opportunity 944 00:45:09,482 --> 00:45:11,586 for struggling countries like Greece. 945 00:45:14,689 --> 00:45:16,068 - That's a very popular approach, 946 00:45:16,172 --> 00:45:19,068 tell German private households, please spend more. 947 00:45:19,172 --> 00:45:21,586 Don't be so greedy with your money. 948 00:45:21,689 --> 00:45:24,034 But I think that's wrong 949 00:45:24,137 --> 00:45:26,206 because people look at their income and they say, 950 00:45:26,310 --> 00:45:27,551 "I can't afford," simply. 951 00:45:27,655 --> 00:45:28,758 And that's true, I mean, 952 00:45:28,862 --> 00:45:31,000 we have had very weak wage increases 953 00:45:31,103 --> 00:45:32,655 during the past years. 954 00:45:32,758 --> 00:45:34,172 And that's the point 955 00:45:34,275 --> 00:45:35,896 where you have to have higher wages 956 00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:38,379 and these higher wages you could certainly spend, 957 00:45:38,482 --> 00:45:41,000 and then German consumption would certainly be much stronger 958 00:45:41,103 --> 00:45:43,448 than it was in the past, and that will help us. 959 00:45:47,931 --> 00:45:49,482 Narrator: Memories of hyperinflation 960 00:45:49,586 --> 00:45:52,379 are still raw in Germany. 961 00:45:52,482 --> 00:45:55,620 Few want to put their hard-won economic stability at risk 962 00:45:55,724 --> 00:45:58,379 for their weaker European neighbours. 963 00:45:58,482 --> 00:46:00,827 The divisions between countries at a global level 964 00:46:00,931 --> 00:46:03,034 are even clearer. 965 00:46:03,137 --> 00:46:05,724 Leaders pay lip-service to Keynes's dream 966 00:46:05,827 --> 00:46:08,689 of a truly coordinated global economy, 967 00:46:08,793 --> 00:46:10,137 where the strong work with the weak 968 00:46:10,241 --> 00:46:11,758 for the benefit of all. 969 00:46:11,862 --> 00:46:14,137 But there's little sign of them actually doing it. 970 00:46:15,172 --> 00:46:16,862 Sure, it would be great to have 971 00:46:16,965 --> 00:46:18,517 better multinational institutions 972 00:46:18,620 --> 00:46:20,724 and Keynes was a pioneer in that, 973 00:46:20,827 --> 00:46:21,724 he was a big believer. 974 00:46:21,827 --> 00:46:22,793 And I think, in order to fix 975 00:46:22,896 --> 00:46:24,482 the international financial system, 976 00:46:24,586 --> 00:46:26,206 that would be very helpful. 977 00:46:26,310 --> 00:46:30,206 And maybe somebody with the sort of magnetism 978 00:46:30,310 --> 00:46:32,689 and gravitas and stature of Keynes 979 00:46:32,793 --> 00:46:34,931 could somehow catalyse that. 980 00:46:35,034 --> 00:46:37,172 But he is a rare person, indeed. 981 00:46:39,655 --> 00:46:42,586 Narrator: Keynes left an extraordinary legacy. 982 00:46:42,689 --> 00:46:45,586 He didn't just transform economics - 983 00:46:45,689 --> 00:46:47,000 changed the lives 984 00:46:47,103 --> 00:46:49,620 of billions of people around the globe. 985 00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:54,758 Back in Cumbria, it's clear what Keynes has done for them. 986 00:46:55,931 --> 00:46:57,379 Government intervention 987 00:46:57,482 --> 00:46:59,275 will help keep Pirelli's tyre factory open 988 00:46:59,379 --> 00:47:01,275 and provide a lot of employment. 989 00:47:02,689 --> 00:47:04,551 In the political mainstream, 990 00:47:04,655 --> 00:47:07,862 there aren't many who challenge Keynes's basic message 991 00:47:07,965 --> 00:47:10,206 that you can't leave economies to drive themselves. 992 00:47:12,689 --> 00:47:14,931 - Keynes was a very dominant force 993 00:47:15,034 --> 00:47:16,517 in the 20th century, 994 00:47:16,620 --> 00:47:18,275 and my guess is he will remain a dominant force 995 00:47:18,379 --> 00:47:20,034 in the 21st century. 996 00:47:20,137 --> 00:47:22,241 Which is why, I think, he will go down 997 00:47:22,344 --> 00:47:23,482 as one of the greatest economists 998 00:47:23,586 --> 00:47:24,793 the world has produced. 999 00:47:25,965 --> 00:47:27,137 Narrator: 80 years ago, 1000 00:47:27,241 --> 00:47:30,172 building this dam eased the Great Depression. 1001 00:47:30,275 --> 00:47:32,551 With the government borrowing more cheaply than ever before, 1002 00:47:32,655 --> 00:47:34,896 you might think the case for New Deal-type investments 1003 00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:37,103 was equally strong today. 1004 00:47:37,206 --> 00:47:39,241 But given the sheer volume of public debt, 1005 00:47:39,344 --> 00:47:40,655 no-one can promise 1006 00:47:40,758 --> 00:47:43,724 that piling on more borrowing will be a miracle cure. 1007 00:47:45,103 --> 00:47:48,413 - What is thought of as a typical Keynesian solution, 1008 00:47:48,517 --> 00:47:50,482 to get more debt, borrow more money, 1009 00:47:50,586 --> 00:47:53,275 spend, spend, spend and cut taxes, 1010 00:47:53,379 --> 00:47:55,689 that needs to be used more judiciously here 1011 00:47:55,793 --> 00:47:57,344 because at the end of the day, 1012 00:47:57,448 --> 00:47:59,310 you've got to get rid of this debt. 1013 00:47:59,413 --> 00:48:01,827 This is a very long haul. 1014 00:48:01,931 --> 00:48:04,724 I don't think anything just boosts your way 1015 00:48:04,827 --> 00:48:06,620 and zooms your way out of this. 1016 00:48:06,724 --> 00:48:08,896 There just is no magic bullet. 1017 00:48:11,103 --> 00:48:13,620 Narrator: And what of Keynes's final big idea? 1018 00:48:13,724 --> 00:48:15,482 That countries are all in it together? 1019 00:48:15,586 --> 00:48:17,241 Since Bretton Woods, 1020 00:48:17,344 --> 00:48:18,965 the world has grudgingly accepted 1021 00:48:19,068 --> 00:48:20,931 that we have to cooperate to prosper. 1022 00:48:21,034 --> 00:48:24,206 But we're struggling to make it work in practice. 1023 00:48:25,344 --> 00:48:27,517 - He'd be worried. He'd be very worried. 1024 00:48:28,620 --> 00:48:29,517 He'd have been very concerned 1025 00:48:29,620 --> 00:48:31,586 about the growth of inequality worldwide, 1026 00:48:33,241 --> 00:48:34,482 he'd be very concerned 1027 00:48:34,586 --> 00:48:37,241 that there was a return to beggar-my-neighbour policies. 1028 00:48:37,862 --> 00:48:38,793 I have no doubt 1029 00:48:38,896 --> 00:48:41,586 that he would be warning of regional war... 1030 00:48:43,413 --> 00:48:44,620 ..and all its dangers. 1031 00:48:45,862 --> 00:48:49,379 He'd be very frightened that the circumstances 1032 00:48:49,482 --> 00:48:52,448 that led to war in '14-'18 and '39-'45, 1033 00:48:52,551 --> 00:48:57,172 were, on a slow-burn basis, unfolding in front of us again. 1034 00:48:57,275 --> 00:48:59,379 Narrator: Today, his admirers believe 1035 00:48:59,482 --> 00:49:00,862 perhaps the biggest thing 1036 00:49:00,965 --> 00:49:02,896 Keynes could do for us right now, 1037 00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:04,655 would be to remind us of the traits 1038 00:49:04,758 --> 00:49:06,551 that guided him all his life - 1039 00:49:06,655 --> 00:49:09,586 imagination and optimism. 1040 00:49:09,689 --> 00:49:12,793 - He came along and was willing to examine 1041 00:49:12,896 --> 00:49:17,655 these profound problems in ways that no-one had done before. 1042 00:49:17,758 --> 00:49:20,275 His great legacy is that fundamental belief in humanity, 1043 00:49:20,379 --> 00:49:23,034 that fundamental belief in the ability of government 1044 00:49:23,137 --> 00:49:25,620 and of society to dedicate itself 1045 00:49:25,724 --> 00:49:28,413 to helping those that are less fortunate 1046 00:49:28,517 --> 00:49:30,000 and need our help. 1047 00:49:40,068 --> 00:49:41,758 Narrator: In 1946, 1048 00:49:41,862 --> 00:49:43,862 Keynes suffered a fatal heart attack 1049 00:49:43,965 --> 00:49:46,068 in his beloved Sussex Downs. 1050 00:49:48,620 --> 00:49:52,448 Just 62, he left a legacy that changed the world. 1051 00:49:53,689 --> 00:49:55,172 But he also left an enigma. 1052 00:49:56,517 --> 00:49:58,758 He thought we should try to tame the power of money 1053 00:49:58,862 --> 00:50:00,379 to make it work for us, 1054 00:50:00,482 --> 00:50:01,827 but he also taught us 1055 00:50:01,931 --> 00:50:04,344 that economies were fundamentally unpredictable. 1056 00:50:06,931 --> 00:50:10,000 It's a contradiction we're still grappling with today. 1057 00:50:12,724 --> 00:50:14,724 Captioned by Ai-Media ai-media.tv 81218

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