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of course, for most writers
there're two sorts of glory:
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some know fame during their lifetime,
perhaps even great fame
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but unfortunately, after their death,
those writers lose very fast their readership
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and they even fall into oblivion sometimes
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on the other hand, there are writers
who were misunderstood during their whole existence
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and who later, posthumously, are sometimes discovered
or acquire fame increasing with time
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for Marcel Proust,
the case is different
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he was famous at the end of his life
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because he received the Goncourt prize in 1920
for "Within a Budding Grove"
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the second volume of his great work
"In Search of Lost Time"
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since his death, his fame has constantly grown
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today he is read and commented on
in the whole world
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in London, a few years ago,
they had an exhibition about him
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a lot of people are reading him
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he is read as abundantly
in New York in the United States
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as in Germany and in Japan
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and paradoxically, it's in France that, despite his name,
despite the abundance of books written on him
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essays explaining his philosophy and his art
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it is perhaps in France that he is read the least
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true, one cannot say that he's an author
who doesn't sell at all
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but he's an author who doesn't have all the pull
he ought to have,
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considering his great name
that had never been challenged
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his work is in effect something very particular
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some have tried to find a philosophy in it
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others an error committed during his lifetime
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a sort of biography
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since it's written in the first person
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and since it deals with very special people,
very well evoked
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however, as he said himself,
we are dealing with a novel
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and for each of his character he got inspiration
from several persons he had known
at the beginning of our century
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and during the program you're about to watch
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you'll see how one could identify
some of his more endearing characters
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and who have later become symbols
like in the works of Balzac
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Rastignac has become a symbol
for ambition at all costs
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today, when talking about diplomats
who are a bit of a snob
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and pretentious,
I'm thinking of M. de Norpois
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or on the other hand, of the petty bourgeois
who wants to play the intellectual, give concerts,
be very much in view
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today we'd say, very "nouvelle vague"
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well, those are the Verdurins,
other characters who have preserved
in his entire work a great importance
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and who are still abundantly talked about today
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so we're dealing, when talking about him,
and we'll concentrate on characters,
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you're about to hear the witnesses,
the recollections of those who knew him
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this program will be about penetrating his work
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and also to find, if one may say so,
some of the keys
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and since we have at the same time
the personal aspect
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the aspect of a "Search"
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of life's philosophy,
life's problems
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how sensibility is born,
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how a writer is born,
since the "Recherche" is after all
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about how to become a writer,
why does he become a writer
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you'll see in a few moments all this revealed
by the recollections of those who knew him
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and I would very much like to thank those people
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M. Jean Cocteau
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M. Paul Morand
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M. Daniel Hal�vy
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M. Jacques de Lacretelle
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le marquis de Lauris
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le duc de Gramont
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M. Philippe Soupault
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Mme Albarret
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who was at the same time
a devoted servant
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and a secretary to Marcel Proust
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Mme Paul Morand
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Mme Andr� Maurois
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M. �mmanuel Berl
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and right now, M. Fran�ois Mauriac
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Portrait Souvenir
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a program by
Roger St�phane
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Marcel Proust
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until Proust,
one simply copied Balzac
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or one copied
Benjamin Constant
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either one told a Balzac story
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or one studied "a soul"
in the manner of Benjamin Constant
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well, Proust ...
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showed us
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that one could do
something different than Balzac
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and something different
than the traditional psychological novel
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what could one do?
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well, one could rediscover a world
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I don't say, "create" a world
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that was Balzac's task
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but rediscover it,
meaning ...
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the entire world
the young Proust had been mixed in
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in the midst of which
he had suffered
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because he was a tender one
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and because he was a snob
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and this world
in the midst of which he had suffered
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well, he found it again inside himself
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and by means he has explained to us
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I won't have to remind you ...
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of the episode of the cup of tea,
of the Madeleine
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how did he manage to rediscover this world,
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buried inside himself?
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well, this is what the people
who don't know Proust, will find out ...
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if they decide to step inside this work,
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this work which for me,
in all French literature
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is without doubt as important
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as that of Balzac,
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and personally,
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I must confess that it touches me
much more.
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but after all, between the two
there is a connection: Balzac too died of his work.
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both have been killed by those two works
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who both, although under different aspects,
have a monstrous character
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yes, the work of Proust has something monstrous
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1913...
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then end of what is today called
"la belle �poque"
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in the streets there were
more carriages than cars
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the m�tro still had the attraction
of a new toy
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the women wore long skirts,
men top hats
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idling wasn't considered yet
the mother of all vices
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but the sign of good breeding
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the leisured classes met in salons
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in those salons
a man had been erring for a long time
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who distinguished himself
neither by his birth nor by his fortune
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but perhaps by his charm,
his seducing intellect
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Marcel Proust
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he whom society still called,
even though he was already past 40
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"little Proust" had just discreetly published
as author
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in 1913, a book which,
as M. Mauriac just reminded us
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did not only mark for France,
but for the entire world
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the rebirth of the art of the novel.
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Philippe Soupault
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When I received "Swann's Way"
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which Marcel Proust had sent to me,
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I was at first shocked
by the thickness of the volume
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and by the smallness of the typeface
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then I started to read this book
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which at the time seemed totally crazy
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and I realized that this was
an overwhelming shock
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because I was entering a world
I had never entered before
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and Proust's style, in 1913,
seemed extremely disturbing, off-putting, difficult
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and yet, I was captivated, completely seduced
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almost absorbed by Proust's novel
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M. Paul Morand
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in October '14
I was in London
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I had dinner at the Savoy with Antoine Bibesco,
a friend of Proust
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and Salignac-F�n�lon
who was another of Proust's friends
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and of course they started talking about him
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about "Swann" which I hadn't read yet
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in such a fashion,
"a mysterious personage",
"a work comparable to nothing else"
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that I was at once seduced,
I pounced on the book,
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I read it and it was my turn to be overwhelmed,
love at first sight, as we just said
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for me, it was as if I'd encountered Flaubert,
as if I had before me a new "Sentimental Education"
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certainly, "Swann's Way" brought along
the new formula of the novel
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which, in an obscure way,
I had been waiting for.
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I found everything in "Swann's Way"
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I found in it, if you like,
the resurrection of a world
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which after all I had known
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which wasn't the world of Balzac
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but "my" world
and the world I had heard about
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but at the same time,
I found in it a poetry of a novel
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because what strikes me in Proust,
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he's an extraordinary poet
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this poetry of a novel is the poetry
to which I am perhaps the most susceptible
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and besides, I found a man
who had invented his own style
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he was the only one who could say
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what he had to say,
but in order to be able to say it
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he had to invent his instrument,
and afterwards, he was broken to pieces
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M. Jean Cocteau
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Proust has talked of an epoch, of a society,
but his work won't be outmoded because of that
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that would be as if you mistook van Gogh's Zouave
with a real Zouave
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that would be absurd
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on the contrary, I'm surprised how much Proust's mechanisms
are similar to the mechanisms of a Robbe-Grillet, or a Butor
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to what today's youth is searching for
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if one trusts his biography
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this innovator had quite an ordinary history
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he was born in Paris in 1871
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his father, Doctor Adrien Proust
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was what is called a "self-made man"
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originating from a modest family from Illiers
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he had become a physician of great reputation
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his mother's, Jeanne Weil's family was
of the Jewish bourgeoisie of Alsace
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she is without doubt the person
Marcel Proust loved most
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answering a questionnaire
at the age of 12
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he answered the question
"what is your idea of unhappiness"?
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"being separated from maman"
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the narrator's grandmother in "Search for Lost Time"
borrows all her traits from Mme Proust
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In Illiers, with Dr. Proust's family,
Marcel Proust spent his childhood holidays
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Illiers is the Combray of "Swann's Way"
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Combray, at a distance,
when we arrived there the week before Easter
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was no more than a church epitomizing the town,
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representing it, speaking of it and for it
to the horizon,
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and as one drew near, gathering close
about its long, dark cloak, sheltering from the wind,
on the open plain,
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as a shepherdess gathers her sheep,
the woolly grey backs of its huddled houses.
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Even when our errands lay in places behind the church,
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from which it could not be seen, the view seemed always
to have been composed with reference to the steeple,
which would loom up here and there among the houses,
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and was perhaps even more affecting
when it appeared thus without the church.
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Illiers is also the house of Aunt L�onie,
miraculously preserved
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On those evenings when, as we sat in front of the house
round the iron table beneath the big chestnut-tree,
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we heard, from the far end of the garden,
not the shrill and assertive alarm bell
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which assailed and deafened
with its ferruginous, interminable, frozen sound
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any member of the household
who set it off on entering �without ringing,�
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but the double tinkle, timid, oval, golden,
of the visitors� bell,
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everyone would at once exclaim
�A visitor! Who in the world can it be?�
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And so I must climb each step of the staircase
�against my heart,� as the saying is,
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climbing in opposition to my heart�s desire,
which was to return to my mother...
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That hateful staircase, up which I always went so sadly,
gave out a smell of varnish
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which had, as it were, absorbed
and crystallized the special quality of sorrow
that I felt each evening,
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and made it perhaps even crueler to my sensibility
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because, when it assumed this olfactory guise,
my intellect was powerless to resist it.
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My room wasn't beautiful at all,
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because it was full of things
which were of no use
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and which concealed chastely
so that their usage was made extremely difficult
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those which were of some use.
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But it was exactly from the things
which weren't there to accommodate me, but
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which seemed to have come there for pleasure
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that my room drew its beauty for me.
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Those high white curtains
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which hid the bed from view,
placed like in the recess of a sanctuary,
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the trinity of the glass with the blue design,
of the sugar bowl and the jug
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always empty when I arrived by orders of my Aunt
who was afraid I'd "spread" it.
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a sort of cultish instrument.
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The little embroidered shawls
which threw a cape of white roses
over the backs of the chairs
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which weren't without thorns,
since each time I finished reading and wanted to get up
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I realized that I got stuck to them.
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that glass bell, under which,
isolated from vulgar contacts,
the clock chatted intimately with faraway shells
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and with an old sentimental flower.
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That piece of white lace,
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thrown like an altar cloth on the chest of drawers
ornamented with two vases,
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a portrait of the Saviour and a blessed piece of boxwood
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made it look like the Saint Table
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The Prince Eug�ne
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terrible and handsome in his dolman
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and whom I was surprised to encounter one night,
in a turbulence filled with locomotives and hailstorms,
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still terrible and handsome,
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near the door of a railway station buffet
where he served as advertisement for a special kind of biscuit.
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The room of Aunt L�onie
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At one side of her bed stood
a big yellow chest of drawers of lemon-wood,
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and a table which served at once
as dispensary and high altar,
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on which, beneath a statue of the Virgin
and a bottle of Vichy-C�lestins,
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might be found her prayer-books
and her medical prescriptions,
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everything that she needed in bed for the performance
of her duties to the sacred offices and her diet,
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to keep the proper times for pepsin and for vespers.
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On the other side her bed was bounded by the window.
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I didn't have much time to read in my room,
as I had to go out to the park
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at 1 km distance from the village.
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I advanced running into the labyrinth
up to a certain bower where I sat down,
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untraceable, leaning next to the clipped hazelnut trees,
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looking at the asparagus and strawberry beds,
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where on some days the horses pulled up the water,
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the white gate which was the end of the park
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above it, the cornflower and poppy fields.
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In this bower the silence was deep,
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the risk of being discovered almost non-existent,
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only from time to time, the golden sound of the bells
who seemed to chime from the faraway plains, behind the blue skies
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could have warned me of the time passed,
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but surprised by its sweetness,
troubled by its profound silence,
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emptied of the last sounds which followed it,
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I was never sure about the number of its chimes.
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The greatest charm of the Guermantes' way
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was that we had beside us, almost all the time,
the running stream of the Vivonne.
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We crossed it first, ten minutes after leaving the house,
by a foot-bridge called the Pont-Vieux.
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The Pont-Vieux led to a tow-path which, at this point,
would be overhung in summer by the bluish foliage of a hazel.
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Over these were strewn the remains,
half-buried in the long grass,
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of the castle of the ancient Counts of Combray.
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One of my other surprises was that of seeing
"the source of the Vivonne",
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which I had imagined as something
as extra-terrestrial as the Gates of Hell,
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and which was merely a sort of rectangular basin
in which bubbles rose to the surface.
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in Paris, Proust went to the Lyc�e Condorcet
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M. Daniel Hal�vy was his classmate.
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yes.
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how was Proust as a child?
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he was so exceptional
that I hesitate to answer
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he was there in the lyc�e all right,
but it seemed as if he didn't quite belong to us
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I remember a day,
chatting with some comrades
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I felt somebody touching my shoulder
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I turned round,
it was Proust
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I made a slightly brusque movement
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and I remember that this produced
an alteration on Proust's face
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I had hurt him
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sometimes when I felt annoyed at him,
I thought he was a bit of a poseur
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well, I was wrong
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he became sad all of a sudden
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because he felt that all those boys,
that's what we were, boys
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he was something different
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we had in our class a Sardou, a Bizet
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a Robert de Flers
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a Fernand Gregh
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and we knew very well
that the first in that little category of human beings
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there was Proust, we knew it
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we had organized a revue,
published by the Lyc�e Condorcet
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which we called "The Banquet"
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and naturally we asked Proust to participate
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and Proust in his kindness didn't refuse
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he gave us a copy
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we read it with a horrified amazement
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we had to refuse to publish it
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what had happened?
what misfortune?
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the misfortune, we knew about it,
that Proust had become a man of the world
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it cannot be denied that in his youth
Proust went out a lot in society
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there's no great social function
that does not resemble those parties
to which doctors invite their patients,
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who utter the most intelligent remarks,
have perfect manners,
and would never show that they were mad,
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if they didn't whisper in your ear,
pointing to some old gentleman going past:
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�That�s Joan of Arc.�
295
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one could meet him at the Comtesse Greffulhe
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mother-in-law of his friend Gramont
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from whom he borrowed a lot of traits
for his Princesse de Guermantes
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at the Princesse Mathilde,
survivor of the Second Empire
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at Mme Arman de Caillavet
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at Madeleine Lemaire
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with Louisa de Mornand
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he was friends with Reynaldo Hahn
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he went out with Boni de Castellane
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with Robert de Flers
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with Emmanuel and Antoine Bibesco
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he was friends with Robert de Montesquiou
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and he described his traits with almost no transposition
as the Baron de Charlus
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and Charles Haas
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dear Charles Haas
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if in the painting by Tissot,
representing the balcony of the circle of the Rue Royale
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one talks so much about you,
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that's because you have
some traits of the character of Swann
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at the end of the last century, the Marquis de Lauris
heard about Marcel Proust for the first time
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I had heard a lot about him,
because people were talking a lot about him
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not because of what he had done or created,
but there was ... his lifestyle
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he was a star, as one would say today, certainly
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at least in certain circles
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I met Marcel Proust at first in several salons
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among others at a dinner at Mme L�on Fould
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and obviously, he struck you first of all
by his physiognomy, by his looks
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I haven't forgotten the extraordinary pallor of his face
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under very black hair
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and I haven't forgotten the look of his eyes
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his conversation was prodigiously
adapted to his interlocutor
325
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because he absolutely didn't want to seem ...
didn't want to astound
326
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he wanted to talk to people about
what he believed interested them
327
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although he wasn't very familiar with sports
328
00:25:30,639 --> 00:25:36,808
he would have undertaken a conversation about sports
if he had been talking to a sportsman
329
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if the occasion arose, obviously
330
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then there were people who interested him
to a certain degree,
one couldn't really predict that
331
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there are people he enjoyed
when one didn't really understand
why he enjoyed being with them,
332
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on the other hand, he himself couldn't understanding
why they enjoyed being with him
333
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he was a kind of oracle, he stayed away from people,
he was different from everybody else in this respect
334
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what he observed was a sort of secret,
it concerned only himself
335
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Marcel Proust also frequented the Duc de Gramont,
at Valli�re, where we too paid a visit
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it's in this room that Marcel Proust, in July 1904,
came to dinner at Valli�re
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and as I told you, he arrived wearing white ties
338
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he mingled with the guest
who were out on a boating on the lake
or were playing tennis
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he was a bit intimidated
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and my father didn't know who he was
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he handed him the visitors' book
for his signature
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and he said to him this phrase
which annoyed Proust a bit:
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"no thoughts, M. Proust, just the name"
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when I saw the Duc de Gramont arrive with the book
which all the evening's visitors had already signed
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and when I was about to write my signature
below a miniscule Gutmann, followed by a minuscule Chevereaux
and manuel of La Rochefoucault of equal size,
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when the Duc de Gramont
whom my humble and confused attitude,
joined to the fact that he knew that I was a writer, filled with anxiety,
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addressed me in a tone at the same time
imploring and full of energy, with those lapidary words:
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"your name, M. Proust, but no thoughts"
349
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the desire to get the name,
and the fear of getting the reflections
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would have been justified if it had been me
who had invited him to dinner
and who would have asked him to sign:
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"your name, M. de Duc, but no thoughts!"
352
00:27:36,790 --> 00:27:44,254
you already told me, M. le Duc,
that often at night, after the theatre shows,
you used to visit Proust.
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could you tell us under what circumstances,
and how and why?
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since Proust stayed in his dining room the whole night
we could arrive at any time, coming from the theatre shows
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with comrades, they took out a bottle
of cider from the cupboard
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and we did the summing up of the evening,
the critique of the play we had just seen
357
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and it didn't last very long
since we had to work the next morning
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but we often stayed there until 1 a.m.
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and since there were cabs circulating everywhere
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we returned home by cab
361
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we went there with Louis d'Albufera
and Louisa de Mornand sometimes
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with Jacques de Bonneval
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00:28:25,309 --> 00:28:28,629
with Bertrand de F�n�lon
who was a great friend of all of us
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00:28:28,630 --> 00:28:34,467
and we talked without restraint during an hour
at his place, very simply
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what were you talking about?
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00:28:36,391 --> 00:28:41,012
most of all, on the evenings
when we went to see a play
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in fact, generally we talked
about the play we had just seen
368
00:28:45,869 --> 00:28:52,606
the subject was fresh in our minds,
and that's what we talked about
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00:28:52,641 --> 00:28:56,281
obviously, now Proust too started asking us questions
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about the society which interested him,
since he had already started to write
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00:29:01,257 --> 00:29:06,163
we didn't know at the time,
but he had been writing "Swann's Way"
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00:29:06,164 --> 00:29:10,519
at the time, you know,
Proust wasn't a famous author
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considering that he had only published
"Les plaisirs et les jours"
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00:29:14,312 --> 00:29:16,307
and then the book on Ruskin
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"Swann" came later
376
00:29:19,965 --> 00:29:24,816
and when one talked about Proust,
saying that he was a remarkably intelligent man
377
00:29:24,817 --> 00:29:28,617
I remember, I got the answer:
"Ah yes, Proust, of the Ritz Hotel"
378
00:29:28,618 --> 00:29:30,261
M. de Lacretelle
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00:29:30,262 --> 00:29:32,437
anyway, if he had been a snob
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in his youth, when I didn't know him
381
00:29:35,237 --> 00:29:38,608
we certainly profited by it a lot
382
00:29:38,609 --> 00:29:44,422
because he was the chronicler,
the St. Simon of his times
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00:29:44,423 --> 00:29:51,661
this is what partly excuses him,
and what gives him a great place in literature
384
00:29:51,662 --> 00:29:56,675
now one could say a lot about his snobbism
385
00:29:56,676 --> 00:30:00,609
you see, I think it's sense of history
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00:30:00,610 --> 00:30:15,693
and his visionary power that gave him a strong desire
to approach such illustrious personage, descending from a great lady,
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00:30:15,694 --> 00:30:19,497
from a man who had played a role in history
388
00:30:19,498 --> 00:30:21,486
that's what he found amusing
389
00:30:21,487 --> 00:30:31,349
I was just telling you about his desire to establish
affiliations between the people of today and those of the past
390
00:30:31,350 --> 00:30:33,543
well, that's what his snobbism was about
391
00:30:33,544 --> 00:30:39,514
when he visited Mme de Noailles or the great families
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00:30:39,515 --> 00:30:50,714
don't you think that he found it amusing
to discover a passage from St. Simon
relating to a trait of his host's ancestors
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00:30:50,715 --> 00:30:51,953
but undoubtedly he did
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when he visited the Duc de Guiche at La Valli�re,
it was the same thing
395
00:30:58,510 --> 00:31:03,257
no, I think one has exaggerated far too much
Proust's snobbism
396
00:31:03,258 --> 00:31:07,510
and I repeat, we owe it his greatest successes
397
00:31:07,511 --> 00:31:11,527
so as reader of Proust, that's good enough for me,
I absolve him
398
00:31:12,831 --> 00:31:18,452
the socialite Proust, the Proust of the Ritz Hotel
felt obliged to go to the fashionable seaside resorts
399
00:31:18,453 --> 00:31:23,947
the fashionable seaside resorts at the beginning of the century
were the beaches on the Normandy coasts
400
00:31:23,948 --> 00:31:28,385
and especially Cabourg,
the Balbec of "Within a Budding Grove"
401
00:31:33,924 --> 00:31:35,802
we went there with Philippe Soupault
402
00:31:35,803 --> 00:31:42,108
who knew Proust in that same hotel,
where the future author of "In Search of Lost Time" used to stay
403
00:31:42,109 --> 00:31:50,849
each evening at 6 p.m. one heard in the hall
a sort of noisy hustle
404
00:31:50,850 --> 00:31:58,610
and one heard small groups of people shouting:
"There's M. Marcel Proust"
405
00:31:58,611 --> 00:32:07,826
at once, the groups started to rush,
because they wanted to bring forward M. Proust's armchair
which brought them a good tip
406
00:32:07,827 --> 00:32:14,299
as you know, Proust was always very aware
of the importance to tip generously
407
00:32:14,300 --> 00:32:17,273
so they brought him his armchair,
and that's the one I saw
408
00:32:17,274 --> 00:32:22,588
when Proust came in, armed with an umbrella
because he was terribly afraid of the sun
409
00:32:22,589 --> 00:32:27,976
and he was always afraid,
when the sun was hidden by a cloud,
that the sun might suddenly reappear
410
00:32:27,977 --> 00:32:32,614
he was already wrapped up in scarves
because he was very sensitive to the cold
411
00:32:32,615 --> 00:32:36,882
but mostly, he sat down there,
he watched people going by
412
00:32:36,883 --> 00:32:41,061
he was interested in all the people of Cabourg
413
00:32:41,062 --> 00:32:43,786
he asked me if I knew
this gentleman or that lady
414
00:32:43,787 --> 00:32:48,010
and he told me "you know, don't be surprised,
I'm a bit of a conci�rge"
415
00:32:48,011 --> 00:32:54,677
but mostly I think he was trying to seize memories
on that esplanade, on that pier
416
00:32:54,712 --> 00:33:01,344
well, he tried to remember the time
when he first met "the young girls in flower"
417
00:33:01,345 --> 00:33:05,108
we didn't know that he was a writer
418
00:33:05,109 --> 00:33:10,712
he didn't brag about having published a booklet
a long time ago, called "Les plaisirs et les jours"
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00:33:10,747 --> 00:33:12,329
he never talked about it
420
00:33:12,330 --> 00:33:14,123
and we didn't know that he wrote
421
00:33:15,048 --> 00:33:20,797
I looked at the round tables whose innumerable assemblage
filled the restaurant like so many planets,
422
00:33:20,798 --> 00:33:24,042
as the latter are represented in old allegorical pictures.
423
00:33:24,043 --> 00:33:29,301
Moreover, there seemed to be some irresistible force
of attraction at work among these various stars,
424
00:33:29,302 --> 00:33:35,108
and at each table the diners had eyes only
for the tables at which they were not sitting,
425
00:33:36,551 --> 00:33:38,318
You've dined here with Proust?
426
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in this same dining room,
at this same table
427
00:33:41,270 --> 00:33:44,485
and even, if you like,
sitting at this place
428
00:33:44,486 --> 00:33:53,135
because 3 or 4 times per week
Proust invited his friends and acquaintances
and his friends' friends
429
00:33:53,136 --> 00:33:57,366
we were sometimes a large gathering,
12, 14, even 20
430
00:33:57,367 --> 00:34:01,259
and Proust was extremely happy
to be host to other people
431
00:34:01,294 --> 00:34:04,917
he was hospitable,
and he liked to seduce
432
00:34:04,918 --> 00:34:08,118
but after a certain time he got tired
433
00:34:08,119 --> 00:34:14,438
or, as I learned later,
he wanted to leave in order to write
434
00:34:14,439 --> 00:34:18,450
and at such a moment
he invented something marvelous
435
00:34:18,451 --> 00:34:23,019
he offered his friends cigars
and asked the maitre d' to bring cigars
436
00:34:23,020 --> 00:34:27,650
so they brought cigars, everybody served himself
and started to light the cigars
437
00:34:27,651 --> 00:34:34,057
then he said, "you must excuse me,
I cannot bear cigar smoke, I'll retire"
438
00:34:34,058 --> 00:34:37,922
thus he finished his banquet
earlier than he should have
439
00:34:37,923 --> 00:34:43,773
in fact, what interested him was
the little daily routine around him
440
00:34:43,774 --> 00:34:47,183
he was interested a lot in the conci�rges
441
00:34:47,184 --> 00:34:49,093
in the bellboys
442
00:34:49,094 --> 00:34:53,024
even in the chambermaid which he judged severely
443
00:34:54,470 --> 00:35:01,312
Beside the row of carriages, in front of the porch
in which I stood waiting, was planted,
like some shrub of a rare species, a young page
444
00:35:01,313 --> 00:35:07,256
who attracted the eye no less
by the unusual and harmonious colouring of his hair
than by his plant-like epidermis.
445
00:35:07,257 --> 00:35:12,897
Inside, in the hall, corresponding to the narthex,
or Church of the Catechumens in a primitive basilica,
446
00:35:12,898 --> 00:35:16,566
through which the persons who were not staying
in the hotel were entitled to pass,
447
00:35:16,567 --> 00:35:21,841
the comrades of the �outside� page
did not indeed work much harder than he,
448
00:35:21,842 --> 00:35:24,345
but did at least execute certain movements.
449
00:35:24,346 --> 00:35:28,357
It is probable that in the early morning
they helped with the cleaning.
450
00:35:28,358 --> 00:35:36,844
But in the afternoon they stood there only like a chorus who,
even when there is nothing for them to do,
remain upon the stage in order to strengthen the representation.
451
00:35:36,845 --> 00:35:43,969
But the outside page, with his delicate tints,
his slender, fragile frame,
452
00:35:43,970 --> 00:35:48,299
preserved an immobility mixed with a certain melancholy,
453
00:35:48,300 --> 00:35:59,480
for his elder brothers had left the hotel
for more brilliant careers elsewhere,
and he felt isolated upon this alien soil.
454
00:35:59,515 --> 00:36:04,129
M. Jean Cocteau too met Marcel Proust
before the war
455
00:36:04,130 --> 00:36:07,813
Proust lived 102, Blvd. Haussmann
456
00:36:07,814 --> 00:36:12,820
I remember this address very well,
despite having a bad memory for numbers
457
00:36:12,821 --> 00:36:17,727
because we exchanged letters
on whose envelopes were written poems
458
00:36:17,728 --> 00:36:20,008
"Address-poems"
459
00:36:20,009 --> 00:36:22,917
for example, "address-poems" by Mallarm�
460
00:36:22,918 --> 00:36:25,712
and I remember one of those addresses
which went:
461
00:36:25,713 --> 00:36:30,664
"102 Blvd Haussmann, ouste!
run postman, to Marcel Proust"
462
00:36:30,665 --> 00:36:35,026
and Marcel wrote considerable
poems on his envelopes
463
00:36:35,027 --> 00:36:37,906
and if the postman couldn't decipher them,
since he had a terrible handwriting
464
00:36:37,907 --> 00:36:41,065
which one had to take apart
like one removes the shells from a nut
465
00:36:41,066 --> 00:36:46,027
and after some effort,
the postman found the name and the address
466
00:36:46,028 --> 00:36:53,337
and I had started to visit
Marcel Proust in the evenings,
Blvd. Haussmann
467
00:36:53,372 --> 00:36:57,380
I don't think that Marcel Proust's threshold
was easy to cross?
468
00:36:57,381 --> 00:37:00,747
at first, there was a whole ceremony involved
before one could enter at Marcel's,
469
00:37:00,782 --> 00:37:03,978
because one was stopped in the vestibule by C�leste
470
00:37:03,979 --> 00:37:07,074
C�leste asked you ...
much later, when she knew me,
471
00:37:07,109 --> 00:37:12,982
"M. Jean, I hope you haven't been with a lady tonight,
you haven't shaken hands with a lady who had touched a flower
472
00:37:12,983 --> 00:37:18,018
since Marcel was living inside a cloud of
anti-asthmatic powder,
he was afraid of an asthmatic crisis
473
00:37:18,053 --> 00:37:25,369
and he was even afraid of the contact of a person
who had in his turn contacted earlier a person
who had smelled at a flower
474
00:37:25,370 --> 00:37:27,312
how did he receive you at his place?
475
00:37:27,313 --> 00:37:30,740
one entered a veritable
cloud of anti-asthmatic powder
476
00:37:30,741 --> 00:37:33,384
he was lying down on his bed,
fully clothed
477
00:37:33,385 --> 00:37:39,497
a bed made of copper which was encased in a sort of
gu�rite en li�ge kork which protected him from outside noises
478
00:37:39,532 --> 00:37:44,399
he wore white gloves
to keep himself from his habit of biting his nails
479
00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:50,701
and he resembled, when he wore a beard,
the dead Carnot, or Haroun al Rachid
480
00:37:50,702 --> 00:37:52,821
or Captain Nemo
481
00:37:52,822 --> 00:37:57,375
his room resembled a lot the Nautilus
482
00:37:57,376 --> 00:38:04,459
and when he didn't wear a beard,
he resembled the famous portrait by Jacques-�mile Blanche
where he looks like an Easter egg
483
00:38:04,460 --> 00:38:07,982
in the evening, we sometimes asked him
to read to us passages from his work
484
00:38:07,983 --> 00:38:14,027
it was very difficult to listen to him,
because he read and laughed at the same time
485
00:38:14,028 --> 00:38:20,190
hiding his laugh behind his beard and gloved hand
486
00:38:20,191 --> 00:38:24,887
he interrupted his reading with
"this is idiotic, this is idiotic"
487
00:38:24,888 --> 00:38:31,840
and he explained to us that a certain gesture
would only acquire its significance in the 15th volume
488
00:38:31,875 --> 00:38:35,500
which was too far down under the stacks of papers
for him to get it out for us
489
00:38:35,535 --> 00:38:39,014
those readings had more the aspect
of a hilarious fooling around among friends
490
00:38:39,015 --> 00:38:41,339
his asthma didn't prevent him from going out?
491
00:38:41,340 --> 00:38:49,114
he went out into society, very rarely,
he cut his hair himself with nail scissors
492
00:38:49,149 --> 00:38:54,199
and he sometimes paid a visit to Mme de Cheving�
in the middle of the night to who told him
493
00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:58,088
"Marcel arrives at impossible times
with apparatuses in his pockets"
494
00:38:58,089 --> 00:38:59,648
she was wrong, those were bottles
495
00:38:59,649 --> 00:39:02,650
he always used to carry Vichy water bottles in his pockets
496
00:39:02,651 --> 00:39:05,144
"he arrives like an obstetrician", she said
497
00:39:05,145 --> 00:39:08,554
and he went once to the "Ballets Russes"
498
00:39:08,589 --> 00:39:11,963
it was the time of the Ballets Russes
499
00:39:11,964 --> 00:39:16,863
he went to see the Ballets Russes
one evening in Mme Sert's box
500
00:39:16,864 --> 00:39:20,208
that box was in a curious state, there were
501
00:39:20,209 --> 00:39:23,631
Renoir, Auguste Rodin and Proust
502
00:39:23,632 --> 00:39:26,195
and they were very polite
about who would sit down first
503
00:39:26,196 --> 00:39:28,486
so they only sat down
when the curtain came down again
504
00:39:28,487 --> 00:39:30,697
and they weren't able to watch
"l'apr�s-midi d'un faune"
505
00:39:30,698 --> 00:39:34,791
everything with Marcel was ceremonious
506
00:39:34,792 --> 00:39:37,147
he was extremely susceptible
507
00:39:37,148 --> 00:39:40,319
he always imagined one had committed
an injury against him
508
00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:46,187
and perhaps one had committed one without realizing it,
because he had such a hyper-sensitivity
509
00:39:46,188 --> 00:39:53,267
very often he was at Larue, he wrote me 15 pages,
"you pretended, my dear Jean, not to notice me"
510
00:39:53,268 --> 00:39:55,745
and I hadn't seen Marcel at all
511
00:39:55,746 --> 00:39:57,689
otherwise I would have rushed to his table
512
00:39:57,690 --> 00:40:00,101
then he made a whole drama out of it
513
00:40:00,102 --> 00:40:12,192
magnifying what people had been telling
and transcending Proust's work
514
00:40:12,193 --> 00:40:18,250
he lived in a perpetual labyrinth
of polite or impolite behaviours
515
00:40:18,251 --> 00:40:22,777
one day he wrote me 20 pages
516
00:40:22,778 --> 00:40:29,651
of reproaches to be submitted,
he wanted me to read the letter to �tienne de Beaumont
517
00:40:29,686 --> 00:40:32,369
he wanted me to read the 20 pages
of reproaches against de Beaumont
518
00:40:32,370 --> 00:40:36,415
and then he wrote as P.S.
"in fact, don't tell him anything"
519
00:40:38,380 --> 00:40:45,103
M. Paul Morand didn't set out to meet Proust,
it was Proust who spontaneously went to see him
520
00:40:45,104 --> 00:40:53,592
Yes. I had hardly told his friends
with whom I was having dinner
that Proust was somebody like Flaubert,
521
00:40:53,593 --> 00:40:59,086
that this intrigued enormously Proust
and that during one of my leaves in Paris
522
00:40:59,087 --> 00:41:01,194
he rang my doorbell at midnight
523
00:41:01,229 --> 00:41:08,144
and I found in front of the door
of small ground floor apartment
I was living in, rue Gallil�e
524
00:41:08,179 --> 00:41:10,722
that was in August 1915
525
00:41:10,723 --> 00:41:14,721
a man in a pelisse with a very pale face
526
00:41:14,756 --> 00:41:19,764
a beard growing like mildew on a cheese,
very blue around the chin
527
00:41:19,799 --> 00:41:24,773
great swarthy looking eyes,
very black hair, magnificent teeth
528
00:41:24,774 --> 00:41:30,527
and a very soft and insinuating voice,
but at the same time with a lot of authority
529
00:41:30,528 --> 00:41:36,135
he was dressed ...
I saw standing before me a character of the year 1905
530
00:41:36,136 --> 00:41:43,886
he wore a grey bowler hat, I can still see him,
his pelisse with a collar of worn otter fur
531
00:41:43,921 --> 00:41:50,601
a tie which didn't fit his shirt collar,
the collar didn't fit the neck,
532
00:41:50,636 --> 00:41:52,758
he wore his shirt "empes�",
like one used to wear at the time
533
00:41:52,793 --> 00:41:59,215
he continually struggled against that shirt
billowing under his tie which had climbed up his collar
534
00:41:59,216 --> 00:42:02,316
the cuffs put on the wrong way round
535
00:42:02,317 --> 00:42:07,551
he had a walking stick like one used at the time,
a stage cane made of snake wood
536
00:42:07,586 --> 00:42:12,786
shoes with the tongues made of grey turkey skin,
in short, exactly the fashion of 1905
537
00:42:12,787 --> 00:42:17,090
the period when he decided to lie down,
only to get up from time to time
538
00:42:17,091 --> 00:42:22,903
the phrase he uttered when entering,
I've tried to reconstruct it
539
00:42:22,938 --> 00:42:25,448
I'm saying this,
don't read any reverence into it,
540
00:42:25,449 --> 00:42:29,865
but I'm one of the last persons
who knew Proust well,
541
00:42:29,866 --> 00:42:36,022
and I want to give you an idea
of what his conversation was like
542
00:42:36,023 --> 00:42:40,758
even though his books give a perfect idea,
because it was amazing
how much his written phrase resembled his speech
543
00:42:40,793 --> 00:42:42,996
this is what I wrote:
544
00:42:45,938 --> 00:42:47,317
"You've come from Paris?
545
00:42:47,318 --> 00:42:52,793
"you'll find with justification -
please lie down again, Monsieur, you'll catch cold -
546
00:42:52,794 --> 00:42:55,629
I was wearing my pyjamas
and still standing in the hall
547
00:42:55,630 --> 00:42:59,502
"you'll consider it without doubt unsuitable
to be woken up at this hour
548
00:42:59,503 --> 00:43:04,524
"but I hardly go out, I get up late
and besides I'm wrong to get up at all
549
00:43:04,525 --> 00:43:10,152
"because the next day I'm being punished
by atrocious sufferings and by an excess
of ridiculous and never ending cares
550
00:43:10,153 --> 00:43:14,782
"which are however necessary
because one must live with one's illness,
one never will get well again
551
00:43:14,783 --> 00:43:20,964
"and the chronical illness is like an old lady
who adores being attended to,
you too will have cause to complain
552
00:43:20,999 --> 00:43:23,134
"even though you're still a young man
and not an old lady
553
00:43:23,135 --> 00:43:25,938
"still I am considerate towards you
by ringing at your doorbell at midnight
554
00:43:25,939 --> 00:43:30,824
"if I have taken the liberty
it's because I feel the strong desire to know someone,
it's you I'm talking about,
555
00:43:30,859 --> 00:43:33,636
"who has been emitting about me,
people told me so,
556
00:43:33,637 --> 00:43:40,350
"I don't know you well enough
for people to tell me about you other things
than agreeable and even delicious things to hear,
557
00:43:40,385 --> 00:43:48,782
"you emitted about myself or more exactly about my book
judgments which are, I won't be so audacious as to say,
the most pertinent, in the style of our friend du Bos
558
00:43:48,817 --> 00:43:50,452
"but the most delicate.
559
00:43:50,453 --> 00:43:55,220
but Proust had this outpouring,
at the same time monochord and precipitated?
560
00:43:56,745 --> 00:44:03,979
not precipitated.
it was a very melodious phrase, extremely long
which never ended, full of incidents
561
00:44:03,980 --> 00:44:08,627
objections one wouldn't have thought to formulate,
but which he formulated himself
562
00:44:08,628 --> 00:44:13,402
it resembles a mountain road
one tackled without ever arriving at the summit
563
00:44:13,403 --> 00:44:21,071
lots of incidents which sustained the phrase
like oxygen balloons, preventing him from crashing down
564
00:44:21,072 --> 00:44:25,688
full of quibbling,
of arborescence
565
00:44:25,689 --> 00:44:28,232
all this very fluid, very soft
566
00:44:28,233 --> 00:44:31,202
very soft and at the same time
567
00:44:31,203 --> 00:44:32,451
very virile
568
00:44:32,452 --> 00:44:34,804
when people draw Proust's portrait
569
00:44:34,805 --> 00:44:37,910
like Malaparte, for instance,
for the stage
570
00:44:37,911 --> 00:44:42,991
they turn him into a character
who is weak and effeminate
571
00:44:43,026 --> 00:44:45,023
that absolutely wasn't Proust
572
00:44:45,024 --> 00:44:46,939
Proust had a lot of authority
573
00:44:46,940 --> 00:44:48,873
what the English call "poise"
574
00:44:48,874 --> 00:44:51,149
ponderosity, moral authority
575
00:44:51,150 --> 00:44:53,031
at the same time lots of courage
576
00:44:53,032 --> 00:44:55,043
he looked you right in the eyes
577
00:44:55,044 --> 00:45:00,182
a bit of an air of defiance,
of a d'Artagnan, the head thrown upwards
578
00:45:00,183 --> 00:45:02,164
he was very courageous
579
00:45:02,165 --> 00:45:05,828
I remember one evening, in the war,
during bombings
580
00:45:05,829 --> 00:45:07,854
we left the Ritz Hotel
581
00:45:07,855 --> 00:45:09,759
and there was only one cab
582
00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:12,697
Proust called the cab
583
00:45:12,698 --> 00:45:17,062
and an American called it from the other side,
both of them try to get it
584
00:45:17,063 --> 00:45:18,481
there's a struggle
585
00:45:18,482 --> 00:45:21,373
and Proust, who was an invalid
who could hardly walk
586
00:45:21,374 --> 00:45:23,907
to my great surprise
tried to knock down the American
587
00:45:23,908 --> 00:45:28,344
I saw him, for instance, one day
at Larue, the restaurant
588
00:45:28,345 --> 00:45:34,317
when someone whom he suspected to discredit him behind his back,
came up to him and stretched out his hand in a greeting
589
00:45:34,318 --> 00:45:36,560
I think he was right about him, by the way
590
00:45:36,561 --> 00:45:44,119
well, he received him in an extraordinary manner,
I think there were present only him, Bibesco and myself
591
00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:49,419
and he looked at him in silence
and I can still see him,
592
00:45:49,454 --> 00:45:54,684
Marcel's hand resting on the table, not even twitching,
593
00:45:54,719 --> 00:45:59,964
while he told him off,
with a superbly calculated insolence
594
00:45:59,999 --> 00:46:05,646
I can hardly believe that Proust was "a ruffian"
as we would say today
595
00:46:05,647 --> 00:46:11,833
no, he wasn't a ruffian, but I wanted
to illustrate that he was very courageous
596
00:46:11,834 --> 00:46:17,187
and that he was afraid of absolutely nothing
despite his frailty
597
00:46:17,188 --> 00:46:22,920
he was a man who could hardly drag himself
from his bed to the cab
598
00:46:22,921 --> 00:46:27,117
from the cab to the person
he was going to visit
599
00:46:27,118 --> 00:46:30,176
and there he collapsed into an armchair
and he didn't move anymore
600
00:46:30,177 --> 00:46:32,211
he clutched at the arm-rests
601
00:46:32,212 --> 00:46:35,453
when he turned round,
he generally moved his whole body
602
00:46:35,454 --> 00:46:39,659
very handicapped by all that starched harness of
I was just telling you about
603
00:46:39,694 --> 00:46:44,483
the billowing shirt
under which could be seen three woolen vests
604
00:46:44,484 --> 00:46:48,455
his hair a mess, meshes rising like spikes
605
00:46:48,456 --> 00:46:51,904
he tried to flatten them with his hand
606
00:46:51,905 --> 00:46:56,539
the gesture moved his tie to the left,
he pulled it back to the right
607
00:46:56,574 --> 00:47:00,930
he looked as if he had dressed in an elevator,
one had the impression of a character
out the the Gr�vin Museum
608
00:47:00,931 --> 00:47:06,551
it was at the same time comical
but also extremely touching,
and the touching aspect prevailed greatly over the comical
609
00:47:06,552 --> 00:47:09,233
at his place, it was very different
610
00:47:09,234 --> 00:47:14,456
at his place, he had gotten so used to live lying down
that he had a bed in each room,
611
00:47:14,457 --> 00:47:17,338
a bed not only in the bedroom,
but also in the salon
612
00:47:17,339 --> 00:47:24,173
in his bedroom he lay down,
in the bed of the salon it was more of a reclining,
dressed in a pelisse
613
00:47:24,208 --> 00:47:28,511
in the meantime, C�leste made the bed in the bedroom
614
00:47:28,512 --> 00:47:32,595
there were days when he started working quite early
615
00:47:32,596 --> 00:47:37,969
on other days, he only started to work
at 10 or 11 p.m.
616
00:47:37,970 --> 00:47:42,039
sometimes he worked in the afternoon,
but rarely
617
00:47:42,040 --> 00:47:51,195
but what set him going, in order to be able to start working,
the main question was his health
618
00:47:51,196 --> 00:47:56,843
he was very ill,
he had terrible attacks of asthma
619
00:47:56,844 --> 00:48:00,666
and when he suffocated,
he couldn't work
620
00:48:00,667 --> 00:48:02,382
and he didn't eat anything
621
00:48:02,383 --> 00:48:06,079
he deprived himself almost totally of nourishment,
he only took coffee with milk
622
00:48:06,080 --> 00:48:15,354
I almost never saw him eat,
sometimes, as an exception, some dish he fancied
which we ordered from Larue
623
00:48:15,355 --> 00:48:20,147
I phoned Larue,
and they delivered what he wanted to have
624
00:48:20,148 --> 00:48:27,952
and he started working
after having had his second cup of coffee with milk
625
00:48:27,953 --> 00:48:31,359
and then he worked sometimes
626
00:48:31,360 --> 00:48:33,601
until midnight
627
00:48:33,602 --> 00:48:36,317
and at midnight, C�leste installed him in the next room
628
00:48:36,318 --> 00:48:43,911
she cleaned and knocked the carpets at midnight,
and in order to be able do this, of course,
you must tip your neighbours generously
629
00:48:43,912 --> 00:48:48,333
the building Bldv. Haussman was that much used to it
630
00:48:48,334 --> 00:48:54,675
that when the neighbours above hired a servant
631
00:48:54,676 --> 00:48:58,775
they told him, "we'll only pay you a monthly wage of 50 francs
632
00:48:58,776 --> 00:49:01,828
"but below there lives a gentleman,
M. Marcel Proust
633
00:49:01,829 --> 00:49:05,324
"who will give you regularly 100 francs a month
634
00:49:05,325 --> 00:49:09,598
"if you will walk in your socks
because the noise annoys him
635
00:49:09,599 --> 00:49:14,361
I only knew him at Blvd. Haussmann
where he was so much afraid of noise
636
00:49:14,396 --> 00:49:18,513
that he paid a lot to the builders
so that they wouldn't do any work in the apartment above
637
00:49:18,514 --> 00:49:25,286
and when the neighbours returned,
they were stupefied: nothing had been done
they had commissioned the builders to do
638
00:49:25,287 --> 00:49:29,160
because Marcel paid them a lot of money
so that they wouldn't work above his head
639
00:49:29,161 --> 00:49:31,489
Proust was always very generous?
640
00:49:31,490 --> 00:49:35,250
Proust was very generous,
he gave enormous tips
641
00:49:35,251 --> 00:49:40,903
he left restaurants or hotels
flanked by two rows of waiters and ma�tres d'
bowing to the ground
642
00:49:40,904 --> 00:49:45,104
which exasperated our friend Antoine Bibesco
643
00:49:45,105 --> 00:49:49,758
who was a kind of comical Mephistopheles
agitating in Proust's shadow
644
00:49:49,759 --> 00:49:52,380
as soon as Proust had tipped somebody
645
00:49:52,381 --> 00:49:58,914
Proust claimed that he went and questioned the servants
behind his back in order to know how much they had received
646
00:49:58,915 --> 00:50:06,162
and then, "to ruin my effect," said Proust,
"he then told them that Proust had made a mistake,
that he had given them far more that he intended"
647
00:50:06,163 --> 00:50:08,311
there's an excellent story
648
00:50:08,312 --> 00:50:16,044
at the end of his life, Proust went a lot to the Ritz
to visit the Princesse Soutzo who later became Mme Paul Morand
649
00:50:16,045 --> 00:50:18,967
and when he left, he gave tips
650
00:50:18,968 --> 00:50:22,378
and one night he had no more money in his pockets,
he told the conci�rge
651
00:50:22,379 --> 00:50:25,610
"could you lend me 50 francs?"
"Of course, M. Proust, here you are."
652
00:50:25,611 --> 00:50:27,794
and Proust said "keep them, they were for you."
653
00:50:27,795 --> 00:50:31,589
in the salon where he received visitors
654
00:50:31,590 --> 00:50:34,954
later rue Hamelin,
but first Blvd. Haussmann
655
00:50:34,955 --> 00:50:41,228
like his clothes,
it was a salon of 1900, 1895-1900
656
00:50:41,229 --> 00:50:43,295
with vegetal designs on the walls
657
00:50:43,296 --> 00:50:47,389
furniture covered with green reps,
with caterpillars
658
00:50:47,390 --> 00:50:55,214
the portrait of his father, Dr. Proust,
in a frame of red plush in the middle of the salon on a scaffold
659
00:50:55,215 --> 00:51:03,686
and on the wall the portrait of the child
admired by the whole family,
the young Marcel Proust by Jacques-Emile Blanche
660
00:51:03,687 --> 00:51:09,886
Marcel's room resembled a family's home
when everybody has left for the holidays
661
00:51:09,887 --> 00:51:12,600
everything covered with sheets,
the chandeliers, the furniture
662
00:51:12,601 --> 00:51:14,594
and as I just told you
663
00:51:14,595 --> 00:51:18,800
dust everywhere because
no dusting or sweeping was even done
664
00:51:18,801 --> 00:51:24,072
Cocteau compared it to a glaucous aquarium
665
00:51:24,073 --> 00:51:27,681
and I remember that Proust was very annoyed at that
666
00:51:27,682 --> 00:51:32,604
and he said to me: "Do you thing
my room resembles a glaucous aquarium?"
667
00:51:32,639 --> 00:51:35,779
and sometimes Marcel left his bed
668
00:51:35,780 --> 00:51:38,928
he went into his dressing room
669
00:51:38,929 --> 00:51:43,988
and sometimes he ate cold noodles while standing,
I remember seeing him doing that
670
00:51:43,989 --> 00:51:49,776
he was dressed in a sort of jumping suit
made of violet velvet
671
00:51:49,777 --> 00:51:54,837
which seemed to contain the machinery
of his mysterious mechanism
672
00:51:56,894 --> 00:52:02,371
thus a sketch of Proust might look like:
frivolous, a bit eccentric
673
00:52:02,372 --> 00:52:07,813
still, he's the author of one of the most
painful works of our times
674
00:52:09,773 --> 00:52:12,020
without doubt, he used his appearance as an act
675
00:52:12,021 --> 00:52:14,946
he used his frivolity as an act
676
00:52:14,981 --> 00:52:19,898
that this frivolity allowed him
to gather the anecdotes
677
00:52:19,933 --> 00:52:26,034
that contributed to his work,
this aspect of being a chronicle of an epoch
678
00:52:26,035 --> 00:52:33,033
where black humour is mixed endlessly
with the most heartbreaking description of human passions.
679
00:52:34,527 --> 00:52:36,319
one mustn't forget
680
00:52:36,320 --> 00:52:40,216
that he has studied on himself
681
00:52:40,217 --> 00:52:43,223
the wounds of his characters
682
00:52:43,224 --> 00:52:45,618
one of those wounds
683
00:52:45,619 --> 00:52:47,887
I'm not going to mention it
684
00:52:47,888 --> 00:52:52,150
but you know what I'm alluding to
685
00:52:52,151 --> 00:52:57,788
and one couldn't have gone any further
than he went, in that field
686
00:52:57,823 --> 00:53:01,921
another wound, more modest,
if I dare say so
687
00:53:01,922 --> 00:53:04,829
and a bit ridiculous
688
00:53:04,830 --> 00:53:07,437
and a bit shameful, was the snobbism
689
00:53:07,438 --> 00:53:13,860
well, the picture Proust drew of it
690
00:53:13,861 --> 00:53:16,471
it's only in his book
691
00:53:16,472 --> 00:53:21,880
it achieves, if you like,
a degree of profoundness
692
00:53:21,881 --> 00:53:30,469
which illuminates a lot the man,
and it's on himself that he has studied it
693
00:53:30,470 --> 00:53:33,270
yes, he talked a lot about it
694
00:53:34,834 --> 00:53:39,854
foreign politics, I was a member of M. Briand's staff,
it amused him a lot to learn what was going on there
695
00:53:39,855 --> 00:53:43,552
he talked a lot about strategy,
that interested him enormously
696
00:53:43,553 --> 00:53:47,038
and he followed the war very closely
697
00:53:47,039 --> 00:53:54,066
he said, all military chroniclers,
whom he generally thought to be idiots,
except Henri Bidou who wasn't a professional
698
00:53:54,067 --> 00:53:57,915
but there was another one,
I think the General Cherfils of the "Echo de Paris"
699
00:53:57,916 --> 00:54:00,049
who always made his day,
he was that silly
700
00:54:00,050 --> 00:54:04,352
but he fairly ridiculed them
in "Time Regained"
701
00:54:04,353 --> 00:54:10,434
yes, I think this is where intervenes
the formation of his characters
702
00:54:10,435 --> 00:54:14,943
especially his secondary characters
which were cast from one mould
703
00:54:14,944 --> 00:54:17,628
and one could even name them
704
00:54:17,629 --> 00:54:20,511
but sometimes, like in one's dreams,
they were a lyrical creation
705
00:54:20,512 --> 00:54:25,376
where two or three persons
lent their traits
706
00:54:25,377 --> 00:54:27,187
let's take the diplomat Norpois
707
00:54:27,188 --> 00:54:29,566
well, the diplomat Norpois
was created from three persons:
708
00:54:29,567 --> 00:54:34,020
from a friend of his father,
the French Ambassador in Rome, Barr�re
709
00:54:34,021 --> 00:54:35,681
whom by the way Proust loathed
710
00:54:35,682 --> 00:54:39,744
when I got attached to Barr�re two years later
711
00:54:39,745 --> 00:54:45,269
Proust told me "you'll be very unhappy with that man,
I'll explain, why" - he was right about him
712
00:54:45,270 --> 00:54:53,064
then for Norpois there was a charming old thing,
the Minister to Greece, called Guillemain
713
00:54:53,065 --> 00:54:56,306
and a third person,
the Marquis de Montebello
714
00:54:56,307 --> 00:55:01,273
well, for all the characters
there are traits borrowed from right or left
715
00:55:01,274 --> 00:55:04,502
but sometimes,
and I mean, especially for the secondary characters
716
00:55:04,503 --> 00:55:06,490
he used a single name
717
00:55:06,491 --> 00:55:09,622
and what's graver still,
in order not to have to invent a name
718
00:55:09,623 --> 00:55:13,104
he wrote the real name,
and sometimes he forgot about it in the proofs
719
00:55:13,105 --> 00:55:15,087
this anecdote amused him a lot
720
00:55:15,088 --> 00:55:20,479
one day he described a ball
at the Duchesse de Rohan
who at that time was called Princesse de L�on
721
00:55:20,514 --> 00:55:25,271
so he described this ball at the Duchesse de Rohan,
without denigrating it, by the way
722
00:55:25,272 --> 00:55:28,710
but he left in her name in the book,
out of carelessness
723
00:55:28,711 --> 00:55:33,788
and to his great astonishment
he received a letter from the poor good duchess
724
00:55:33,789 --> 00:55:41,102
who wrote: "dear M. Proust, I am so touched
that you remember the ball I gave in 1912", etc.
725
00:55:41,137 --> 00:55:50,206
I remember one day, I told him,
"but Mme Verdurin, I know who's the original
726
00:55:50,207 --> 00:55:55,280
"she's certainly my aunt,
Mme M�nard-Dorian
727
00:55:55,281 --> 00:56:00,997
because if there was a literary salon,
a musical salon, lots of fervour
728
00:56:00,998 --> 00:56:05,113
a bit of politics, very personal ...
729
00:56:05,114 --> 00:56:13,778
in short, I had recognized Mme Verdurin
in several scenes I had witnessed in her salon
730
00:56:13,779 --> 00:56:15,578
and I knew Proust had been there too
731
00:56:15,579 --> 00:56:19,030
at first, Proust denied it
732
00:56:19,031 --> 00:56:26,247
he said: "Don't think that, I hardly know her,
I've used lots of different persons"
733
00:56:26,248 --> 00:56:31,346
it's true, he had made an amalgamation,
as he did with lots of his characters
734
00:56:31,381 --> 00:56:35,700
but imagine, one day,
or rather, one evening
735
00:56:35,735 --> 00:56:40,020
I was at home and I received a letter from Proust
736
00:56:40,021 --> 00:56:42,436
a note he sent me through his chauffeur
737
00:56:42,437 --> 00:56:44,331
I read this note
738
00:56:44,332 --> 00:56:51,652
and he told me, "dear friend, I implore you,
give me a piece of information I need at once"
739
00:56:51,653 --> 00:57:02,421
"I would like to know if the flowers decorating the table
are standing upright at your aunt M�nard-Dorian?"
740
00:57:02,422 --> 00:57:10,325
"do you remember by what device
she arranges the flowers on her table?"
741
00:57:10,360 --> 00:57:14,745
he was just describing a dinner
at the Verdurin's
742
00:57:14,746 --> 00:57:17,044
and he needed this detail at once
743
00:57:17,045 --> 00:57:22,612
Mme de Chevign� whom he had turned
into the Duchesse de Guermantes,
didn't like Marcel's books
744
00:57:22,613 --> 00:57:24,331
she said: "I get stuck in his sentences"
745
00:57:24,332 --> 00:57:29,166
Marcel was aghast, he told me very bitterly
"you must tell her not to say this about my book!"
746
00:57:29,167 --> 00:57:34,372
I said: "Marcel, that would be as if M. Fabre
demanded of the insects to be interested
in what he wrote about them"
747
00:57:34,373 --> 00:57:41,659
Mme Andr� Maurois, even you appear,
I believe, in Marcel Proust's work
748
00:57:41,660 --> 00:57:45,982
yes, I think I'm Mlle de Saint-Loup
749
00:57:45,983 --> 00:57:51,994
a minor character who appears very briefly
at the end of "Time Regained"
750
00:57:54,232 --> 00:57:56,399
How do you know that you're Mlle de Saint-Loup?
751
00:57:56,400 --> 00:57:58,619
Did Proust tell you, or ...
752
00:57:58,620 --> 00:58:04,981
well, Proust, at the moment
when he drafted the plan of his "meandering novel"
753
00:58:04,982 --> 00:58:11,259
wanted to introduce
a character of the third generation
754
00:58:11,260 --> 00:58:17,354
who could give to the reader
the impression of the passing of time
755
00:58:21,466 --> 00:58:26,791
and Mlle de Saint-Loup is the granddaughter
of Swann and Odette
756
00:58:26,792 --> 00:58:31,539
she's the only child
of Gilberte Swann and Robert de Saint-Loup
757
00:58:33,557 --> 00:58:41,498
and consequently, she's the third generation of the family
he studied, analyzed and observed during 13 volumes
758
00:58:41,499 --> 00:58:44,763
her cheeks resembled peonies
759
00:58:44,764 --> 00:58:48,822
he decided, at a certain moment,
that he had to make my acquaintance
760
00:58:48,823 --> 00:58:51,367
and at once, he wanted to meet me
761
00:58:51,368 --> 00:58:53,188
at the time, I was 13 years old
762
00:58:53,189 --> 00:58:59,249
he had never seen me,
because at the time the children didn't mix with adults' lives
763
00:58:59,250 --> 00:59:04,274
so one evening, at 11 p.m.,
he arrived at my parents
764
00:59:04,275 --> 00:59:07,875
insisting that I should be shown to him at once
765
00:59:07,876 --> 00:59:11,479
I was fast asleep
766
00:59:11,480 --> 00:59:17,980
they asked my English tutoress
to wake me up and send me down to the salon
767
00:59:17,981 --> 00:59:20,937
she was very shocked
768
00:59:20,938 --> 00:59:26,650
and I was furious,
a little girl being torn out of her first sleep
769
00:59:26,651 --> 00:59:30,322
telling me to get dressed and go down to the salon
to meet a gentleman
770
00:59:30,323 --> 00:59:32,257
I was furious
771
00:59:32,258 --> 00:59:35,848
I went down in a really bad humour
772
00:59:35,849 --> 00:59:39,551
really determined to be sulky
773
00:59:39,552 --> 00:59:45,107
but Marcel Proust was a man
of bewitching charm
774
00:59:45,108 --> 00:59:48,823
and very fast, he melted down my resistance
775
00:59:48,824 --> 00:59:55,002
in the "M�morables" by Maurice Martin du Gard,
in the first volume, I think the volume opens up on this
776
00:59:55,003 --> 00:59:56,790
on a ball given by my wife
777
00:59:56,791 --> 01:00:01,402
and where Marcel Proust is sitting next to the fireplace,
778
01:00:01,403 --> 01:00:05,265
of course, right by the source of heat
and keeping on his pelisse
779
01:00:05,266 --> 01:00:07,095
by the way, if those souvenirs are exact
780
01:00:07,096 --> 01:00:10,493
let me ask my wife if she remembers
how this happened
781
01:00:17,550 --> 01:00:21,065
- do you remember the soir�e where ...
- yes, very well
782
01:00:21,066 --> 01:00:25,729
Proust was very happy because he had learned
that he was going to hear about the murder of Rasputin
783
01:00:25,730 --> 01:00:29,454
there was a Russian present
with whom he was talking for a long time
784
01:00:29,489 --> 01:00:33,369
others wanted to be presented to Proust
but he warded them off with a wave of his hands,
like this
785
01:00:33,370 --> 01:00:35,725
and he went on concentrating on Rasputin
786
01:00:35,726 --> 01:00:41,286
the night at the Ritz, that was his daytime,
he lived at night
787
01:00:41,321 --> 01:00:44,963
from that time on,
he often went to the Ritz, 2 or 3 times per week
788
01:00:44,964 --> 01:00:46,947
he dined below, in the restaurant
789
01:00:46,948 --> 01:00:48,583
then he came up to my rooms,
790
01:00:48,584 --> 01:00:53,352
he didn't eat, he didn't drink,
he just talked, he told me all the events of the day
791
01:00:53,353 --> 01:00:55,379
he adored gossip
792
01:00:55,380 --> 01:01:00,873
he used to phone sometimes to obtain a detail about a lady,
what dress she had been wearing at a certain evening
793
01:01:00,874 --> 01:01:02,492
yes, he always wanted to know that from me
794
01:01:02,493 --> 01:01:03,941
he called you because of this?
795
01:01:03,942 --> 01:01:06,824
but we didn't have to phone,
and besides, he didn't use the phone
796
01:01:06,825 --> 01:01:08,348
he had C�leste make the call
797
01:01:08,349 --> 01:01:14,253
C�leste called and said: "M. Marcel Proust
who is afraid he'll die next week
798
01:01:14,254 --> 01:01:18,539
asks permission to visit Mme la Princesse
for a last time tonight"
799
01:01:18,540 --> 01:01:20,383
I said, yes, of course,
I was delighted
800
01:01:20,384 --> 01:01:23,810
so Marcel arrived and said:
"I know you've been at that soir�e
801
01:01:23,811 --> 01:01:25,055
what dress were you wearing?
802
01:01:25,056 --> 01:01:28,949
after all, Madame,
everybody says that he went out very rarely
803
01:01:28,950 --> 01:01:32,488
in fact, the number of his friends
could be counted on the fingers of one hand
804
01:01:32,489 --> 01:01:36,388
and you're saying that the collected gossip,
that he knew all the gossip
805
01:01:36,389 --> 01:01:37,596
but he received visitors
806
01:01:37,597 --> 01:01:39,958
some young people of society, if you like
807
01:01:39,959 --> 01:01:42,656
like H�lie de Talleyrand for instance,
whom he liked a lot
808
01:01:42,657 --> 01:01:45,520
and he kept himself up to date
809
01:01:45,521 --> 01:01:49,271
this is the telepathy of the sick,
they know everything without leaving their ...
810
01:01:49,272 --> 01:01:50,390
that's true
811
01:01:50,391 --> 01:01:54,794
it's very difficult to differentiate
between what was pure information
812
01:01:54,795 --> 01:01:57,471
he received from his interlocutors
813
01:01:57,472 --> 01:02:00,601
and the relaxation
their presence brought about
814
01:02:00,602 --> 01:02:04,450
a man who has been writing the whole day
was happy to see somebody from the outside world
815
01:02:04,451 --> 01:02:07,947
often, especially with people from society
816
01:02:07,982 --> 01:02:11,443
he was after very precise informations
817
01:02:11,444 --> 01:02:15,509
with H�lie de Talleyrand,
with the Comte de Beaumont
818
01:02:15,510 --> 01:02:22,405
with a generation younger than his old friends
who were Flers, Guillaume de Lauris, Albufera etc.
819
01:02:23,019 --> 01:02:27,353
one had the impression that it was all about
getting his documentation,
not in order to be amused
820
01:02:27,388 --> 01:02:32,936
one had the impression that everything
was channeled into this enormous work
he carried inside himself
821
01:02:32,971 --> 01:02:35,686
did he talk about it,
or was he discreet?
822
01:02:35,687 --> 01:02:36,897
no, he talked about it
823
01:02:36,898 --> 01:02:39,082
he talked about it
without entering into details
824
01:02:39,083 --> 01:02:41,733
he talked about it in a general manner,
for instance:
825
01:02:41,734 --> 01:02:47,152
"I must correct the proofs,
this will be difficult because I take drops
which dilate my pupillas
826
01:02:47,153 --> 01:02:50,664
"and with all that caffeine that contracts them,
I've come to a point where I can't decipher anything at all
827
01:02:50,699 --> 01:02:57,515
and in fact, I remember a soir�e
where below, in the Ritz,
on a tiny pedestal of about 10 cm�
828
01:02:57,550 --> 01:02:59,574
they brought him an enormous stack of proofs
829
01:02:59,575 --> 01:03:05,052
and he started to correct them,
and you know, when he corrects his proofs,
he adds as much text on the border as the text itself
830
01:03:21,246 --> 01:03:27,640
Marcel Proust was already like cloistered
to finish his work when Emmanuel Berl met him
831
01:03:27,641 --> 01:03:36,114
I knew him very well under a certain angle,
during a certain time,
in a relationship which was very limited
832
01:03:36,115 --> 01:03:39,906
I made his acquaintance by letter
833
01:03:39,907 --> 01:03:48,276
because I had written a letter to a common lady friend
about his preface to "S�same et les lys"
834
01:03:48,277 --> 01:03:53,851
and since it was at the beginning of the war,
and since there were small pieces of shrapnel inside the letter
835
01:03:53,852 --> 01:03:56,529
when this was reported to him,
it deeply moved him
836
01:03:56,530 --> 01:04:00,270
so he felt obliged to write to me
837
01:04:00,271 --> 01:04:03,410
and that's what he did,
he sent me quite a number of letters
838
01:04:03,411 --> 01:04:06,587
that lost unfortunately,
in the trenches where I got them
839
01:04:06,588 --> 01:04:10,534
and when I climbed out of the trenches
and went to Paris
840
01:04:10,535 --> 01:04:15,231
naturally, this dialogue continued
841
01:04:15,232 --> 01:04:19,173
I visited him a certain number of times,
twice per week
842
01:04:19,174 --> 01:04:22,491
at midnight, like everybody else
843
01:04:22,492 --> 01:04:24,541
I entered his bedroom
844
01:04:24,542 --> 01:04:28,322
and he went on to explain to me
what he had been explaining to me by letter
845
01:04:28,323 --> 01:04:33,663
what he explained to me was,
that each person is irrefutably alone
846
01:04:33,664 --> 01:04:37,153
and that no communication is possible between two persons
847
01:04:37,154 --> 01:04:39,585
a theory which I didn't believe in
848
01:04:39,586 --> 01:04:43,260
so I found a letter from him
849
01:04:45,019 --> 01:04:47,009
miraculously preserved
850
01:04:47,044 --> 01:04:49,000
this letter on friendship
851
01:04:49,001 --> 01:04:52,101
on the same theme
852
01:04:52,102 --> 01:04:54,687
"but I am all alone
853
01:04:54,688 --> 01:05:01,973
"and I only profit by others
to the degree in which they cause me to discover
something within myself
854
01:05:01,974 --> 01:05:07,102
"either by making me suffer,
thus more through love than friendship
855
01:05:07,103 --> 01:05:12,480
"or by their ridiculous side,
which I don't want to see in a friend I care about
856
01:05:12,515 --> 01:05:15,366
"but which makes me understand their character
857
01:05:15,367 --> 01:05:18,926
what he taught me,
it was the loneliness of man
858
01:05:18,927 --> 01:05:20,764
and the necessity to accept it
859
01:05:20,765 --> 01:05:24,082
he thought that everybody is alone
860
01:05:24,083 --> 01:05:31,175
that one has feelings and passions
which are independent of their supposed object
861
01:05:31,210 --> 01:05:34,551
and that nobody ever communicates with anybody else
862
01:05:34,552 --> 01:05:36,473
that we all are like desert islands
863
01:05:36,474 --> 01:05:41,027
didn't he think that passion
could be a means of communication?
864
01:05:41,028 --> 01:05:44,783
I think the passion the narrator has for Albertine,
865
01:05:44,784 --> 01:05:47,962
the passion of Swann for Odette
866
01:05:47,963 --> 01:05:49,081
not in the least degree!
867
01:05:49,082 --> 01:05:52,570
passion never reveals to you its object,
it cannot reveal it to you
868
01:05:52,571 --> 01:05:54,597
passion reveals you to yourself
869
01:05:54,598 --> 01:05:58,249
it brings you into contact with yourself,
by suffering
870
01:05:58,250 --> 01:06:05,052
you can have a very strong passion
for a person you don't understand at all
871
01:06:05,053 --> 01:06:10,346
and even, in his book,
the less you understand the people,
872
01:06:10,381 --> 01:06:16,296
the stronger your passion gets,
because jealousy is precisely the measure of this incomprehension
873
01:06:16,297 --> 01:06:19,852
he knows very well that he doesn't know Albertine
874
01:06:19,853 --> 01:06:21,451
he loves her, but he doesn't know her
875
01:06:21,452 --> 01:06:25,016
and even after her death he tries to get to know her,
and he doesn't succeed
876
01:06:25,017 --> 01:06:28,082
but he knows Saint-Loup
877
01:06:28,083 --> 01:06:29,886
no, absolutely not!
878
01:06:29,887 --> 01:06:32,562
only, he's much more indifferent
879
01:06:32,563 --> 01:06:39,216
he doesn't exercise the same passion
to find out about all the sexual acts of Saint-Loup
880
01:06:39,217 --> 01:06:43,254
as he does in trying to find out about the sexual acts of Albertine,
he doesn't start an investigation
881
01:06:43,255 --> 01:06:46,418
by the way, the investigation is running all by itself,
since he discovers quite a bit after all
882
01:06:46,419 --> 01:06:50,894
but still, there are bursts of friendship
for Saint-Loup, bursts of...
883
01:06:50,895 --> 01:06:52,542
of tenderness, tenderness.
884
01:06:52,577 --> 01:06:55,137
but obviously this doesn't reveal
anything about Saint-Loup
885
01:06:55,172 --> 01:06:57,821
those are things
which inform you about Proust
886
01:06:57,822 --> 01:07:02,381
it's a means Proust has to grasp himself,
to know himself,
887
01:07:02,382 --> 01:07:07,980
regarding Saint-Loup, he never knew him,
and neither Albertine, nor his grandmother, nor anybody
888
01:07:07,981 --> 01:07:10,884
since he didn't accept it
when I said that I knew somebody
889
01:07:10,885 --> 01:07:15,070
Proust was somebody
who must have suffered terribly
890
01:07:15,071 --> 01:07:22,970
since you know that he had arrived
at a skepticism
891
01:07:22,971 --> 01:07:25,987
a nihilism that was terrible
892
01:07:26,022 --> 01:07:29,004
as well as,
regarding love,
893
01:07:29,005 --> 01:07:31,391
and regarding friendship
894
01:07:31,392 --> 01:07:34,499
because that man
who was so kind-natured, so charming
895
01:07:34,500 --> 01:07:40,430
who surrounded you with so many
professions of friendship
896
01:07:40,465 --> 01:07:42,649
he didn't believe in friendship
897
01:07:42,650 --> 01:07:46,798
he didn't believe that friendship existed
898
01:07:46,799 --> 01:07:48,857
as to love,
899
01:07:48,858 --> 01:07:51,742
as to his thoughts on love,
900
01:07:51,743 --> 01:07:58,042
well, what makes me admire Proust,
901
01:07:58,043 --> 01:08:01,258
more than anything else,
902
01:08:01,259 --> 01:08:05,436
is that, the man being the kind of man what he was,
903
01:08:05,437 --> 01:08:09,981
he managed, with "Swann in Love"
904
01:08:09,982 --> 01:08:14,981
to paint for us the picture of love
905
01:08:14,982 --> 01:08:17,944
of love in its most normal state
906
01:08:17,979 --> 01:08:20,907
in my opinion, the most exact
907
01:08:20,908 --> 01:08:22,719
the most perfect
908
01:08:22,754 --> 01:08:26,701
we have been given since Benjamin Constant.
909
01:08:26,702 --> 01:08:31,786
when I contradicted him,
he carried the contradiction to its utmost
910
01:08:31,787 --> 01:08:34,731
with an analysis
which was always very meticulous
911
01:08:34,732 --> 01:08:37,047
he talked mostly like he wrote
912
01:08:37,048 --> 01:08:40,894
with this turning round the subject
913
01:08:40,895 --> 01:08:44,895
until he got tired,
and chased me away
914
01:08:44,896 --> 01:08:47,585
then I left
915
01:08:47,586 --> 01:08:50,809
I was quite tired as well,
at 3 or 4 a.m.
916
01:08:52,748 --> 01:08:55,325
our relations become envenomed
917
01:08:55,326 --> 01:08:59,744
because at a certain moment
918
01:09:02,586 --> 01:09:08,910
I didn't agree with him any more
that all feelings are illusory towards an object
919
01:09:10,178 --> 01:09:14,059
he explained to me
that the young girl I was engaged to
920
01:09:14,060 --> 01:09:16,452
the best thing that could happen to me
was to discover that she had died
921
01:09:16,453 --> 01:09:18,685
I thought this disagreeable
922
01:09:18,686 --> 01:09:21,866
and he got angry at me
923
01:09:21,867 --> 01:09:25,619
he told me I was a fool
924
01:09:25,620 --> 01:09:29,490
he told me,
"you're as much of a fool as L�on Blum"
925
01:09:29,491 --> 01:09:32,319
which meant in his language
926
01:09:32,320 --> 01:09:34,521
"you may well have read some books
927
01:09:34,522 --> 01:09:39,386
"but you fail to see the difference
between what's real in life, and what isn't"
928
01:09:39,387 --> 01:09:45,086
and he threw his slippers at my ...
he was in his dressing room, I in the bedroom
929
01:09:45,087 --> 01:09:47,108
he threw his slippers at my face
930
01:09:47,109 --> 01:09:50,403
and I left, feeling very angry
931
01:09:52,875 --> 01:09:57,588
evidently, I think he was all the more sensitive about it
932
01:09:57,589 --> 01:10:02,469
that if a communication had been possible
between two persons,
933
01:10:02,504 --> 01:10:05,178
he supposed that it was the communication
which existed between himself and his mother,
934
01:10:05,213 --> 01:10:07,371
consequently, he felt himself cut to the quick
935
01:10:07,372 --> 01:10:11,461
and precisely, I think he thought me a fool,
anyway, he had lots of good reasons to think me a fool
936
01:10:11,462 --> 01:10:13,992
but what he did in order to find me the greatest fool of all
937
01:10:13,993 --> 01:10:17,809
that was the fact that I didn't understand
where I had annoyed him
938
01:10:17,844 --> 01:10:20,305
I had understood it by the way,
and quite accurately
939
01:10:20,340 --> 01:10:22,411
only, he annoyed me a lot too
940
01:10:22,412 --> 01:10:28,362
so we retreated to general philosophizing
941
01:10:28,363 --> 01:10:31,151
and the court he had been paying me,
ended
942
01:10:31,152 --> 01:10:33,855
and my relation to him as well
943
01:10:33,856 --> 01:10:40,210
because otherwise I didn't hold him,
he wasn't interested in me at all
944
01:10:40,211 --> 01:10:45,676
he was really only interested
in the development of his didactic thought
945
01:10:45,677 --> 01:10:50,104
and when I think about
what other persons told me about him
946
01:10:50,105 --> 01:10:56,012
I'm even surprised
that he had so much faith
947
01:10:56,013 --> 01:10:59,371
that he was absolutely convinced
948
01:10:59,372 --> 01:11:01,705
that what he thought was the truth
949
01:11:01,706 --> 01:11:04,441
and that one had to adapt one's behaviour to it
950
01:11:04,442 --> 01:11:07,668
that if one didn't take his side in loneliness
951
01:11:07,669 --> 01:11:10,203
one would be incapable to create a work of art
952
01:11:10,204 --> 01:11:12,657
and those who couldn't create a work of art
953
01:11:12,658 --> 01:11:14,639
were just some kind of asses
954
01:11:14,640 --> 01:11:22,193
my first impulse was to believe
that he had given his life to an idol
955
01:11:22,194 --> 01:11:23,926
but then I would be wrong
956
01:11:23,927 --> 01:11:27,838
because even from a Christian point of view
957
01:11:27,839 --> 01:11:33,826
I think that a work of such importance as Proust's,
958
01:11:33,827 --> 01:11:37,288
of the significance of Proust's work,
959
01:11:37,289 --> 01:11:40,186
cannot be involuntary,
960
01:11:40,187 --> 01:11:44,408
cannot be anything but a vocation
961
01:11:44,409 --> 01:11:49,322
and besides, even though I met Proust very rarely
962
01:11:49,323 --> 01:11:54,964
but perhaps also in the few letters
963
01:11:54,965 --> 01:11:57,577
I exchanged with him
964
01:11:57,578 --> 01:12:02,044
well, I realized
965
01:12:02,045 --> 01:12:07,489
to what amount
Proust had this feeling of vocation
966
01:12:07,490 --> 01:12:10,103
he knew he was giving his life
967
01:12:10,104 --> 01:12:16,166
and he knew he was giving it
not to a work of vanity
968
01:12:16,167 --> 01:12:18,688
but to something of importance
969
01:12:18,689 --> 01:12:20,300
for mankind
970
01:12:20,301 --> 01:12:24,030
but now I think one must look beyond it
971
01:12:24,031 --> 01:12:28,879
now Proust must hand in his coat at the cloak-room
972
01:12:28,880 --> 01:12:32,665
his pelisse and his patent leather shoes
973
01:12:32,666 --> 01:12:37,666
and we'll see him in his bed
as the end draws near
974
01:12:37,667 --> 01:12:42,196
dressed like the man he is,
like an artist, an artisan
975
01:12:42,197 --> 01:12:43,788
like a forced labourer
976
01:12:43,789 --> 01:12:45,889
with his three vests
977
01:12:45,890 --> 01:12:48,119
his smoke fumigations
978
01:12:48,120 --> 01:12:50,990
and his haste to finish his work
979
01:12:52,372 --> 01:12:57,004
since 1913 Mme C�leste Albarret was in Proust's service
980
01:12:57,005 --> 01:13:00,813
did he talk to you about his death a lot,
before?
981
01:13:00,814 --> 01:13:05,592
he told me that certainly,
death has been pursuing him
982
01:13:05,593 --> 01:13:07,785
and that he wanted to finish his work
983
01:13:07,786 --> 01:13:12,252
and that he would feel very sorry
if he had been working that hard
984
01:13:12,253 --> 01:13:14,874
and if he would have to leave all that unfinished.
985
01:13:14,909 --> 01:13:18,726
and one morning, when I came in
986
01:13:18,727 --> 01:13:25,492
he was like a child which had just been through the happiest day,
the most perfect happiness, he told me:
987
01:13:25,493 --> 01:13:30,154
"dear C�leste, I have some big news for you
988
01:13:30,155 --> 01:13:32,492
and I asked "what is it?"
989
01:13:33,805 --> 01:13:38,331
"what might have happened
of such importance in this room?
990
01:13:38,332 --> 01:13:41,562
"something immense"
991
01:13:41,563 --> 01:13:44,310
"something which is so good
992
01:13:44,311 --> 01:13:46,292
"and what happened?"
993
01:13:46,293 --> 01:13:50,187
and he raised himself,
he smiled at me and said:
994
01:13:50,188 --> 01:13:52,140
"I've written the word "the end"
995
01:13:52,141 --> 01:13:55,009
"now I can die"
996
01:13:55,010 --> 01:14:01,740
then I said "at last, all for the better,
Monsieur, your desire is fulfilled"
997
01:14:01,741 --> 01:14:05,389
"but think of all the little slips of paper
I will still have to glue on"
998
01:14:05,424 --> 01:14:08,901
"and all the corrections you'll still have to write"
999
01:14:08,902 --> 01:14:12,030
"ah that, my dear, that's something else"
1000
01:14:12,031 --> 01:14:18,078
it was my habit to stick together with glue,
these �paperies,� as Fran�oise called them,
1001
01:14:18,079 --> 01:14:20,342
and sometimes in this process they became torn.
1002
01:14:20,343 --> 01:14:25,612
And she would say to me, pointing to my shredded note-books
as if to a piece of cloth eaten by an insect:
1003
01:14:25,613 --> 01:14:29,529
�Look, it�s all eaten away, isn�t that dreadful!
1004
01:14:29,530 --> 01:14:31,812
"There�s nothing left of this bit of page,
it�s been torn to ribbons,�
1005
01:14:31,813 --> 01:14:34,301
and examining it with a tailor�s eye she would go on:
1006
01:14:34,302 --> 01:14:37,608
�I don�t think I shall be able to mend this one,
it�s finished and done for.
1007
01:14:37,609 --> 01:14:41,549
"A pity, perhaps those were your most beautiful ideas."
1008
01:14:43,348 --> 01:14:45,544
Marcel Proust was always ill
1009
01:14:45,545 --> 01:14:49,628
but one day, in November 1922
1010
01:14:49,629 --> 01:14:53,102
one day he felt most tired
1011
01:14:53,103 --> 01:14:55,487
and he had caught a bronchitis
1012
01:14:55,488 --> 01:14:58,859
he wanted to get up,
he swayed
1013
01:14:58,894 --> 01:15:03,494
and he said "oh my dear C�leste,
what'll happen to me
1014
01:15:03,495 --> 01:15:05,952
"if I can't suffice myself
1015
01:15:05,953 --> 01:15:11,011
then I told him,
"it doesn't matter, it's all your fault
1016
01:15:11,012 --> 01:15:14,058
"since you won't obey doctors' orders
1017
01:15:14,059 --> 01:15:19,164
"you don't want to drink hot milk,
you don't want to have heat
1018
01:15:19,165 --> 01:15:22,479
then I told him
"you always want to complicate ...
1019
01:15:22,480 --> 01:15:27,013
and then he told me: "well C�leste, tonight
1020
01:15:27,014 --> 01:15:30,409
"I'll eat a sole,
just to do you a favour
1021
01:15:30,410 --> 01:15:36,975
we prepared a nice sole, it was ready,
the professor rang at the door
1022
01:15:36,976 --> 01:15:42,434
then I told him "Professor, it seems he's better
1023
01:15:42,435 --> 01:15:45,697
and he asked for a sole,
we prepared one for him
1024
01:15:45,698 --> 01:15:52,796
then he told me "listen to me,
don't serve it yet, I'll visit him first
1025
01:15:52,797 --> 01:15:55,706
and he came back and he told me
"you mustn't give him anything to eat
1026
01:15:55,707 --> 01:15:58,164
"because I think he's quite exhausted
1027
01:15:58,165 --> 01:16:02,396
"but I'm happy because
1028
01:16:02,397 --> 01:16:09,176
"he told me, he promised me,
that he would keep you the whole night at his bedside,
that he won't be alone
1029
01:16:09,211 --> 01:16:11,958
then I said "very well"
1030
01:16:11,959 --> 01:16:14,955
the two of us worked the whole night through
1031
01:16:14,956 --> 01:16:17,878
he dictated to me
1032
01:16:17,879 --> 01:16:20,321
and he told me at midnight
1033
01:16:20,322 --> 01:16:24,733
"if I live through this night
1034
01:16:24,734 --> 01:16:29,275
"tomorrow, C�leste, I'll prove to the doctors
1035
01:16:29,276 --> 01:16:31,928
"that I am stronger than they are
1036
01:16:31,929 --> 01:16:35,962
"but I must live through this night
1037
01:16:35,963 --> 01:16:41,234
I stayed in the freezing room the whole night,
we worked through the night
1038
01:16:41,235 --> 01:16:43,463
and then, at 3 o'clock
1039
01:16:43,464 --> 01:16:45,204
he said to me:
1040
01:16:45,205 --> 01:16:48,886
"I'll write a bit
1041
01:16:48,887 --> 01:16:51,209
"dictating tires me out
1042
01:16:51,210 --> 01:16:54,284
I said "very well"
1043
01:16:54,285 --> 01:16:58,062
then he said "I can't"
1044
01:16:58,063 --> 01:17:00,003
"I can't go on any more"
1045
01:17:00,004 --> 01:17:02,299
"I'm tired"
1046
01:17:02,300 --> 01:17:05,038
"C�leste, don't forget
1047
01:17:05,039 --> 01:17:10,614
"don't forget to place carefully at such a page
what I dictated and what I wrote
1048
01:17:10,615 --> 01:17:13,091
then I told him
1049
01:17:13,092 --> 01:17:17,511
- "very well, Monsieur, try to rest,
can I do something for you?
- "no"
1050
01:17:17,512 --> 01:17:19,725
then he had a choking fit
1051
01:17:19,726 --> 01:17:21,655
he suffocated
1052
01:17:21,656 --> 01:17:25,004
then, the next morning
1053
01:17:25,005 --> 01:17:26,826
he said to me
1054
01:17:26,827 --> 01:17:28,927
it was about 7 o'clock
1055
01:17:28,928 --> 01:17:31,838
he told me, "if there was any coffee with milk
1056
01:17:31,839 --> 01:17:33,944
"all hot and ready
1057
01:17:33,945 --> 01:17:36,209
"I'd take it at once
1058
01:17:36,210 --> 01:17:39,772
"in order to do you
and my brother a favour
1059
01:17:39,773 --> 01:17:43,730
I fetched the coffee with milk,
I brought it to him at once
1060
01:17:43,731 --> 01:17:46,809
because we constantly had fresh coffee ready
1061
01:17:46,810 --> 01:17:51,866
I asked "do you want me to help you drink it?"
1062
01:17:51,867 --> 01:17:54,014
he took his bowl
1063
01:17:54,015 --> 01:17:57,176
he put it to his lips
1064
01:17:57,177 --> 01:17:58,767
he drank it
1065
01:17:58,768 --> 01:18:00,906
he looked at me and he said:
1066
01:18:06,158 --> 01:18:10,258
"thus I will be doing you and my brother a favour"
1067
01:18:11,218 --> 01:18:13,237
from that moment on
1068
01:18:13,238 --> 01:18:19,555
he started to arrange his odds and bits
1069
01:18:19,556 --> 01:18:23,118
and then I realized that he was in a bad state
1070
01:18:24,792 --> 01:18:30,925
the envelope on which Proust scribbled a few words
the day before he died
1071
01:18:30,926 --> 01:18:34,431
and this, written by C�leste,
1072
01:18:34,432 --> 01:18:39,382
the last lines the dictated to her
the same night
1073
01:18:39,417 --> 01:18:42,535
and then one day, everything's changed
1074
01:18:42,536 --> 01:18:46,028
what had been detestable for us
1075
01:18:46,029 --> 01:18:48,174
what had always been forbidden to us,
1076
01:18:48,175 --> 01:18:50,104
now it is permitted,
1077
01:18:50,105 --> 01:18:55,133
for instance, I wasn't allowed to drink champagne
1078
01:18:55,134 --> 01:18:58,683
"but perfectly, if this is agreeable to you"
1079
01:18:58,684 --> 01:19:01,505
one can hardly believe one's ears
1080
01:19:01,506 --> 01:19:06,092
one has brands delivered to the house,
the brands one always used to shun before
1081
01:19:06,093 --> 01:19:11,315
and this gives an aspect which is a bit vile
1082
01:19:11,316 --> 01:19:15,205
to this incredible frivolity
of the dying
1083
01:19:16,966 --> 01:19:21,104
I left the bedroom and I return
to the small hall next to it
1084
01:19:21,105 --> 01:19:26,679
in order to find out what he was doing,
he said to me:
1085
01:19:28,466 --> 01:19:31,087
he rang for me at once
1086
01:19:31,122 --> 01:19:33,195
he said: "why are you standing in the hall?"
1087
01:19:33,196 --> 01:19:39,292
- I said "but I'm not standing in the hall"
- "but I heard you perfectly, come on"
1088
01:19:39,293 --> 01:19:44,431
then I said "I was worried,
I wanted to find out if you needed me
1089
01:19:44,432 --> 01:19:46,276
"and I wanted to be near you
1090
01:19:46,277 --> 01:19:48,223
then he said
1091
01:19:48,224 --> 01:19:51,097
"there's this fat woman in the bedroom
1092
01:19:52,408 --> 01:19:54,455
I said "I'll chase her away for you"
1093
01:19:54,456 --> 01:19:57,531
"no, C�leste, don't touch her,
she's horrible"
1094
01:19:57,532 --> 01:20:00,683
"she's horrible, she's appalling"
1095
01:20:00,684 --> 01:20:03,706
then I said "does she frighten you?"
1096
01:20:03,707 --> 01:20:05,491
"a bit"
1097
01:20:05,492 --> 01:20:09,867
then I saw that he was really in a bad way
1098
01:20:09,868 --> 01:20:13,174
I asked my husband to call at once for Dr. Bize
1099
01:20:13,175 --> 01:20:19,594
and I called his brother,
told him that his brother was feeling very bad,
that he should come at once
1100
01:20:19,595 --> 01:20:22,940
then Mme Proust answered
1101
01:20:22,941 --> 01:20:27,365
"he's at Thonon,
but I'll phone at once to arrange what's necessary
1102
01:20:27,400 --> 01:20:29,821
and she called me back and said
1103
01:20:29,822 --> 01:20:33,725
"he's just giving his lecture,
but he'll come straight away
1104
01:20:33,726 --> 01:20:38,985
Odilon came with Dr. Bize and ...
1105
01:20:38,986 --> 01:20:41,258
when he arrived
1106
01:20:44,086 --> 01:20:50,974
so I said, "Doctor, you must give him an injection,
he's so weak and poorly
1107
01:20:50,975 --> 01:20:54,525
then the Doctor told me
1108
01:20:54,526 --> 01:20:57,409
"give him an injection? how so?
1109
01:20:57,410 --> 01:20:59,972
then I said "but he doesn't resist
1110
01:20:59,973 --> 01:21:06,886
"then you must raise the sheets,
I'll give him an injection in his thigh
1111
01:21:06,887 --> 01:21:12,909
and when I went up to M. Proust
and lifted up his cover
1112
01:21:12,910 --> 01:21:15,022
he took me by the wrist
1113
01:21:15,023 --> 01:21:17,085
pinched it hard
1114
01:21:17,086 --> 01:21:20,812
and he cried "ah, C�leste
1115
01:21:22,960 --> 01:21:26,114
and crying like this, I can still see him
1116
01:21:27,854 --> 01:21:31,958
he meant that I had betrayed him,
that I didn't obey what he had told me
1117
01:21:31,993 --> 01:21:36,055
most of all, never to let the doctors
give him injections
1118
01:21:36,056 --> 01:21:40,352
because the doctors had the habit
1119
01:21:40,353 --> 01:21:44,711
to make a dying man suffer more
by giving him injections
1120
01:21:44,712 --> 01:21:47,243
prolonging his life with serums
1121
01:21:47,244 --> 01:21:50,897
that they torment him to make him live longer
1122
01:21:50,898 --> 01:21:54,471
for half an hour,
a quarter of an hour
1123
01:21:54,472 --> 01:21:57,418
for an hour,
and that it was horrible
1124
01:21:57,419 --> 01:22:00,037
he didn't tell me not to let them do it to him
1125
01:22:00,038 --> 01:22:03,686
nor not to let them do it,
but he told me "most of all, C�leste"
1126
01:22:03,687 --> 01:22:08,189
since I did it without asking his permission
1127
01:22:08,190 --> 01:22:11,620
he put me down by this cry "ah, C�leste"
1128
01:22:11,621 --> 01:22:13,509
and he pinched my wrist
1129
01:22:13,510 --> 01:22:15,960
then I said to Prof. Proust
1130
01:22:15,961 --> 01:22:19,962
because Prof. Proust came
after Dr. Bize's visit
1131
01:22:19,963 --> 01:22:22,740
I said, "well, M. le Professeur
1132
01:22:22,741 --> 01:22:25,206
I did something I shouldn't have done
1133
01:22:25,207 --> 01:22:29,958
"No you haven't, my dear C�leste,
you did everything for him"
1134
01:22:29,959 --> 01:22:32,912
"unfortunately we did everything too late"
1135
01:22:32,913 --> 01:22:38,187
"but what can one do,
my brother would certainly have lived longer
1136
01:22:38,188 --> 01:22:42,721
but he led a life
which was only devoted to his work
1137
01:22:42,722 --> 01:22:46,189
and if we had wanted to make him live differently
1138
01:22:46,190 --> 01:22:49,744
he wouldn't have written his work,
he only lived for his work
1139
01:22:49,745 --> 01:22:53,849
then ...
1140
01:22:53,850 --> 01:23:01,203
Dr. Bize left,
but Dr. Proust stayed and never left him
1141
01:23:01,204 --> 01:23:07,855
and he called a famous physician
who had treated his mother
1142
01:23:07,856 --> 01:23:11,730
the Dr. Landowski
1143
01:23:11,765 --> 01:23:15,604
and who told him
1144
01:23:15,605 --> 01:23:21,276
"well, what do you think,
shall we give him another injection?"
1145
01:23:21,277 --> 01:23:25,413
then he answered "come on, Robert
1146
01:23:25,414 --> 01:23:27,188
"let him be
1147
01:23:27,189 --> 01:23:30,688
"let's not make him suffer anymore
1148
01:23:32,239 --> 01:23:36,048
and I accompanied Dr. Landowski to the door
and I said to him
1149
01:23:36,049 --> 01:23:40,734
"you're going to save him, Doctor?"
1150
01:23:40,769 --> 01:23:42,322
he took both my hands
1151
01:23:44,879 --> 01:23:46,242
and he told me
1152
01:23:46,243 --> 01:23:48,234
"have courage
1153
01:23:48,235 --> 01:23:50,362
"but it's over
1154
01:23:50,363 --> 01:23:53,688
I went back to Prof. Proust
1155
01:23:53,689 --> 01:23:57,237
it was only one second
1156
01:23:57,238 --> 01:23:59,943
and we were both near him
1157
01:23:59,944 --> 01:24:02,869
he said to him,
lifting him up a bit
1158
01:24:02,870 --> 01:24:04,647
because he had trouble breathing
1159
01:24:04,648 --> 01:24:07,593
"do I make you suffer,
my dear little Marcel?"
1160
01:24:07,594 --> 01:24:09,512
and he answered
1161
01:24:09,513 --> 01:24:13,105
"oh yes, my little Robert"
1162
01:24:13,106 --> 01:24:17,887
and two or three minutes later
he closed his brother's eyelids with his hand
1163
01:24:17,888 --> 01:24:25,773
I hadn't noticed that he had died,
he died with his eyes open, admirable eyes, tranquil
1164
01:24:25,774 --> 01:24:29,682
and it was like a light
where there was nothing left
1165
01:24:31,592 --> 01:24:35,193
Proust wrote the word "the end"
1166
01:24:35,194 --> 01:24:37,354
at the bottom of his work
1167
01:24:37,355 --> 01:24:39,409
and he died
1168
01:24:41,465 --> 01:24:44,950
I went to see him on his death bed
1169
01:24:44,951 --> 01:24:46,672
rue Hamelin
1170
01:24:46,673 --> 01:24:54,514
a man who really gave the impression
of being stripped bare of everything
1171
01:24:54,515 --> 01:24:59,495
one could say that those were the remains
1172
01:24:59,496 --> 01:25:06,398
of somebody who has allowed
his work to devour him
1173
01:25:06,399 --> 01:25:08,580
day after day
1174
01:25:08,581 --> 01:25:15,790
his funeral was a Parisian event
1175
01:25:15,791 --> 01:25:24,408
and it was at the same time
a discovery for Proust's superiors
1176
01:25:24,409 --> 01:25:27,482
I can still see Barr�s
1177
01:25:27,483 --> 01:25:30,578
who looked at that crowd of young people
1178
01:25:30,579 --> 01:25:34,450
who pressed themselves
around the church
1179
01:25:34,451 --> 01:25:39,408
and he didn't conceal from me
his astonishment
1180
01:25:39,443 --> 01:25:45,739
but Marcel Proust,
he was our young man
1181
01:26:01,719 --> 01:26:05,687
a program by Roger St�phane
1182
01:26:08,351 --> 01:26:10,612
with the participation of
Roland Darbois
1183
01:26:37,507 --> 01:26:39,217
texts read by Jean Negroni
1184
01:26:39,252 --> 01:26:41,444
cinematography: Roger Dormoy
1185
01:26:43,559 --> 01:26:46,156
script Yolande Maurette
1186
01:26:46,157 --> 01:26:51,031
editor: Pierre Alaux
1187
01:26:54,701 --> 01:27:00,303
directed by G�rard Herzog
1188
01:27:06,740 --> 01:27:08,865
Engl. subtitles: serdar202@KG
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