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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:03,468 --> 00:00:08,410 of course, for most writers there're two sorts of glory: 2 00:00:08,411 --> 00:00:14,093 some know fame during their lifetime, perhaps even great fame 3 00:00:14,128 --> 00:00:21,714 but unfortunately, after their death, those writers lose very fast their readership 4 00:00:21,715 --> 00:00:24,420 and they even fall into oblivion sometimes 5 00:00:24,421 --> 00:00:29,747 on the other hand, there are writers who were misunderstood during their whole existence 6 00:00:29,748 --> 00:00:39,791 and who later, posthumously, are sometimes discovered or acquire fame increasing with time 7 00:00:39,792 --> 00:00:44,184 for Marcel Proust, the case is different 8 00:00:44,185 --> 00:00:48,032 he was famous at the end of his life 9 00:00:48,033 --> 00:00:53,609 because he received the Goncourt prize in 1920 for "Within a Budding Grove" 10 00:00:53,644 --> 00:00:59,036 the second volume of his great work "In Search of Lost Time" 11 00:00:59,037 --> 00:01:04,075 since his death, his fame has constantly grown 12 00:01:04,076 --> 00:01:08,116 today he is read and commented on in the whole world 13 00:01:08,117 --> 00:01:12,564 in London, a few years ago, they had an exhibition about him 14 00:01:12,565 --> 00:01:14,140 a lot of people are reading him 15 00:01:14,141 --> 00:01:17,703 he is read as abundantly in New York in the United States 16 00:01:17,704 --> 00:01:20,051 as in Germany and in Japan 17 00:01:20,052 --> 00:01:30,152 and paradoxically, it's in France that, despite his name, despite the abundance of books written on him 18 00:01:30,153 --> 00:01:33,425 essays explaining his philosophy and his art 19 00:01:33,426 --> 00:01:36,375 it is perhaps in France that he is read the least 20 00:01:36,376 --> 00:01:42,402 true, one cannot say that he's an author who doesn't sell at all 21 00:01:42,403 --> 00:01:46,100 but he's an author who doesn't have all the pull he ought to have, 22 00:01:46,135 --> 00:01:49,894 considering his great name that had never been challenged 23 00:01:51,630 --> 00:01:57,660 his work is in effect something very particular 24 00:01:57,661 --> 00:02:01,800 some have tried to find a philosophy in it 25 00:02:01,801 --> 00:02:07,367 others an error committed during his lifetime 26 00:02:07,368 --> 00:02:09,210 a sort of biography 27 00:02:09,211 --> 00:02:12,772 since it's written in the first person 28 00:02:12,773 --> 00:02:16,602 and since it deals with very special people, very well evoked 29 00:02:16,603 --> 00:02:21,144 however, as he said himself, we are dealing with a novel 30 00:02:21,145 --> 00:02:29,889 and for each of his character he got inspiration from several persons he had known at the beginning of our century 31 00:02:29,890 --> 00:02:33,571 and during the program you're about to watch 32 00:02:33,572 --> 00:02:40,157 you'll see how one could identify some of his more endearing characters 33 00:02:40,158 --> 00:02:46,134 and who have later become symbols like in the works of Balzac 34 00:02:46,135 --> 00:02:51,436 Rastignac has become a symbol for ambition at all costs 35 00:02:51,471 --> 00:02:56,738 today, when talking about diplomats who are a bit of a snob 36 00:02:56,739 --> 00:02:59,392 and pretentious, I'm thinking of M. de Norpois 37 00:02:59,393 --> 00:03:06,930 or on the other hand, of the petty bourgeois who wants to play the intellectual, give concerts, be very much in view 38 00:03:06,931 --> 00:03:08,908 today we'd say, very "nouvelle vague" 39 00:03:08,909 --> 00:03:15,236 well, those are the Verdurins, other characters who have preserved in his entire work a great importance 40 00:03:15,271 --> 00:03:17,531 and who are still abundantly talked about today 41 00:03:17,532 --> 00:03:21,695 so we're dealing, when talking about him, and we'll concentrate on characters, 42 00:03:21,696 --> 00:03:25,274 you're about to hear the witnesses, the recollections of those who knew him 43 00:03:25,275 --> 00:03:28,925 this program will be about penetrating his work 44 00:03:28,926 --> 00:03:32,637 and also to find, if one may say so, some of the keys 45 00:03:32,638 --> 00:03:38,511 and since we have at the same time the personal aspect 46 00:03:38,512 --> 00:03:41,735 the aspect of a "Search" 47 00:03:41,736 --> 00:03:45,200 of life's philosophy, life's problems 48 00:03:45,201 --> 00:03:48,786 how sensibility is born, 49 00:03:48,787 --> 00:03:53,487 how a writer is born, since the "Recherche" is after all 50 00:03:53,522 --> 00:03:58,188 about how to become a writer, why does he become a writer 51 00:03:58,189 --> 00:04:03,767 you'll see in a few moments all this revealed by the recollections of those who knew him 52 00:04:03,802 --> 00:04:07,826 and I would very much like to thank those people 53 00:04:07,827 --> 00:04:09,654 M. Jean Cocteau 54 00:04:11,223 --> 00:04:12,596 M. Paul Morand 55 00:04:13,612 --> 00:04:15,420 M. Daniel Hal�vy 56 00:04:16,575 --> 00:04:18,560 M. Jacques de Lacretelle 57 00:04:20,393 --> 00:04:21,765 le marquis de Lauris 58 00:04:23,826 --> 00:04:25,228 le duc de Gramont 59 00:04:26,474 --> 00:04:28,042 M. Philippe Soupault 60 00:04:29,573 --> 00:04:30,871 Mme Albarret 61 00:04:30,872 --> 00:04:34,329 who was at the same time a devoted servant 62 00:04:34,330 --> 00:04:36,392 and a secretary to Marcel Proust 63 00:04:37,584 --> 00:04:39,131 Mme Paul Morand 64 00:04:39,132 --> 00:04:41,948 Mme Andr� Maurois 65 00:04:43,154 --> 00:04:44,999 M. �mmanuel Berl 66 00:04:45,534 --> 00:04:48,844 and right now, M. Fran�ois Mauriac 67 00:04:49,854 --> 00:04:53,914 Portrait Souvenir 68 00:04:53,915 --> 00:04:57,874 a program by Roger St�phane 69 00:04:57,875 --> 00:05:02,318 Marcel Proust 70 00:05:03,768 --> 00:05:08,252 until Proust, one simply copied Balzac 71 00:05:08,253 --> 00:05:11,309 or one copied Benjamin Constant 72 00:05:11,310 --> 00:05:15,119 either one told a Balzac story 73 00:05:15,120 --> 00:05:20,772 or one studied "a soul" in the manner of Benjamin Constant 74 00:05:23,121 --> 00:05:25,566 well, Proust ... 75 00:05:26,697 --> 00:05:29,543 showed us 76 00:05:29,578 --> 00:05:33,147 that one could do something different than Balzac 77 00:05:33,148 --> 00:05:38,229 and something different than the traditional psychological novel 78 00:05:38,264 --> 00:05:39,708 what could one do? 79 00:05:39,709 --> 00:05:45,074 well, one could rediscover a world 80 00:05:45,075 --> 00:05:48,982 I don't say, "create" a world 81 00:05:48,983 --> 00:05:51,745 that was Balzac's task 82 00:05:51,746 --> 00:05:54,642 but rediscover it, meaning ... 83 00:05:54,643 --> 00:06:00,510 the entire world the young Proust had been mixed in 84 00:06:00,511 --> 00:06:04,802 in the midst of which he had suffered 85 00:06:04,803 --> 00:06:07,809 because he was a tender one 86 00:06:07,810 --> 00:06:10,186 and because he was a snob 87 00:06:11,885 --> 00:06:14,748 and this world in the midst of which he had suffered 88 00:06:14,749 --> 00:06:19,137 well, he found it again inside himself 89 00:06:19,138 --> 00:06:23,147 and by means he has explained to us 90 00:06:23,148 --> 00:06:27,542 I won't have to remind you ... 91 00:06:27,543 --> 00:06:30,203 of the episode of the cup of tea, of the Madeleine 92 00:06:30,204 --> 00:06:35,143 how did he manage to rediscover this world, 93 00:06:35,144 --> 00:06:38,181 buried inside himself? 94 00:06:38,182 --> 00:06:43,652 well, this is what the people who don't know Proust, will find out ... 95 00:06:43,687 --> 00:06:47,964 if they decide to step inside this work, 96 00:06:47,965 --> 00:06:55,040 this work which for me, in all French literature 97 00:06:55,041 --> 00:06:59,379 is without doubt as important 98 00:06:59,380 --> 00:07:01,402 as that of Balzac, 99 00:07:01,403 --> 00:07:03,640 and personally, 100 00:07:03,641 --> 00:07:07,002 I must confess that it touches me much more. 101 00:07:07,003 --> 00:07:15,931 but after all, between the two there is a connection: Balzac too died of his work. 102 00:07:15,932 --> 00:07:22,650 both have been killed by those two works 103 00:07:22,651 --> 00:07:28,953 who both, although under different aspects, have a monstrous character 104 00:07:28,954 --> 00:07:34,701 yes, the work of Proust has something monstrous 105 00:07:39,997 --> 00:07:41,431 1913... 106 00:07:41,432 --> 00:07:44,603 then end of what is today called "la belle �poque" 107 00:07:44,604 --> 00:07:48,689 in the streets there were more carriages than cars 108 00:07:48,690 --> 00:07:52,291 the m�tro still had the attraction of a new toy 109 00:07:58,463 --> 00:08:02,437 the women wore long skirts, men top hats 110 00:08:06,502 --> 00:08:09,229 idling wasn't considered yet the mother of all vices 111 00:08:09,230 --> 00:08:11,876 but the sign of good breeding 112 00:08:19,593 --> 00:08:22,346 the leisured classes met in salons 113 00:08:29,008 --> 00:08:31,712 in those salons a man had been erring for a long time 114 00:08:31,713 --> 00:08:35,155 who distinguished himself neither by his birth nor by his fortune 115 00:08:35,156 --> 00:08:39,121 but perhaps by his charm, his seducing intellect 116 00:08:39,122 --> 00:08:41,279 Marcel Proust 117 00:08:41,280 --> 00:08:46,460 he whom society still called, even though he was already past 40 118 00:08:46,461 --> 00:08:51,374 "little Proust" had just discreetly published as author 119 00:08:51,375 --> 00:08:56,719 in 1913, a book which, as M. Mauriac just reminded us 120 00:08:56,720 --> 00:09:00,629 did not only mark for France, but for the entire world 121 00:09:00,630 --> 00:09:02,921 the rebirth of the art of the novel. 122 00:09:02,922 --> 00:09:04,729 Philippe Soupault 123 00:09:04,730 --> 00:09:07,782 When I received "Swann's Way" 124 00:09:07,783 --> 00:09:10,985 which Marcel Proust had sent to me, 125 00:09:10,986 --> 00:09:14,337 I was at first shocked by the thickness of the volume 126 00:09:14,338 --> 00:09:17,424 and by the smallness of the typeface 127 00:09:17,425 --> 00:09:21,203 then I started to read this book 128 00:09:21,204 --> 00:09:24,499 which at the time seemed totally crazy 129 00:09:24,500 --> 00:09:29,522 and I realized that this was an overwhelming shock 130 00:09:29,523 --> 00:09:34,773 because I was entering a world I had never entered before 131 00:09:34,774 --> 00:09:43,374 and Proust's style, in 1913, seemed extremely disturbing, off-putting, difficult 132 00:09:43,375 --> 00:09:48,924 and yet, I was captivated, completely seduced 133 00:09:48,925 --> 00:09:54,912 almost absorbed by Proust's novel 134 00:09:54,913 --> 00:09:56,785 M. Paul Morand 135 00:09:56,786 --> 00:10:01,539 in October '14 I was in London 136 00:10:01,540 --> 00:10:06,222 I had dinner at the Savoy with Antoine Bibesco, a friend of Proust 137 00:10:06,223 --> 00:10:09,252 and Salignac-F�n�lon who was another of Proust's friends 138 00:10:09,253 --> 00:10:11,550 and of course they started talking about him 139 00:10:11,551 --> 00:10:13,135 about "Swann" which I hadn't read yet 140 00:10:13,136 --> 00:10:20,621 in such a fashion, "a mysterious personage", "a work comparable to nothing else" 141 00:10:20,622 --> 00:10:24,681 that I was at once seduced, I pounced on the book, 142 00:10:24,682 --> 00:10:29,665 I read it and it was my turn to be overwhelmed, love at first sight, as we just said 143 00:10:29,666 --> 00:10:37,732 for me, it was as if I'd encountered Flaubert, as if I had before me a new "Sentimental Education" 144 00:10:37,767 --> 00:10:47,735 certainly, "Swann's Way" brought along the new formula of the novel 145 00:10:47,736 --> 00:10:50,803 which, in an obscure way, I had been waiting for. 146 00:10:50,804 --> 00:10:54,077 I found everything in "Swann's Way" 147 00:10:54,078 --> 00:11:00,656 I found in it, if you like, the resurrection of a world 148 00:11:00,657 --> 00:11:03,390 which after all I had known 149 00:11:03,391 --> 00:11:06,017 which wasn't the world of Balzac 150 00:11:06,018 --> 00:11:10,936 but "my" world and the world I had heard about 151 00:11:10,937 --> 00:11:17,909 but at the same time, I found in it a poetry of a novel 152 00:11:17,910 --> 00:11:22,552 because what strikes me in Proust, 153 00:11:22,553 --> 00:11:25,970 he's an extraordinary poet 154 00:11:25,971 --> 00:11:33,631 this poetry of a novel is the poetry to which I am perhaps the most susceptible 155 00:11:33,632 --> 00:11:43,896 and besides, I found a man who had invented his own style 156 00:11:45,567 --> 00:11:47,879 he was the only one who could say 157 00:11:47,880 --> 00:11:50,788 what he had to say, but in order to be able to say it 158 00:11:50,789 --> 00:11:55,867 he had to invent his instrument, and afterwards, he was broken to pieces 159 00:11:55,868 --> 00:11:57,639 M. Jean Cocteau 160 00:11:57,640 --> 00:12:02,830 Proust has talked of an epoch, of a society, but his work won't be outmoded because of that 161 00:12:02,831 --> 00:12:07,072 that would be as if you mistook van Gogh's Zouave with a real Zouave 162 00:12:07,073 --> 00:12:08,371 that would be absurd 163 00:12:08,372 --> 00:12:18,530 on the contrary, I'm surprised how much Proust's mechanisms are similar to the mechanisms of a Robbe-Grillet, or a Butor 164 00:12:18,531 --> 00:12:20,602 to what today's youth is searching for 165 00:12:22,388 --> 00:12:24,495 if one trusts his biography 166 00:12:24,496 --> 00:12:27,732 this innovator had quite an ordinary history 167 00:12:27,733 --> 00:12:32,348 he was born in Paris in 1871 168 00:12:32,349 --> 00:12:35,604 his father, Doctor Adrien Proust 169 00:12:35,605 --> 00:12:39,016 was what is called a "self-made man" 170 00:12:39,017 --> 00:12:42,133 originating from a modest family from Illiers 171 00:12:42,134 --> 00:12:45,196 he had become a physician of great reputation 172 00:12:45,197 --> 00:12:52,098 his mother's, Jeanne Weil's family was of the Jewish bourgeoisie of Alsace 173 00:12:52,133 --> 00:12:57,678 she is without doubt the person Marcel Proust loved most 174 00:12:57,679 --> 00:13:00,864 answering a questionnaire at the age of 12 175 00:13:00,865 --> 00:13:05,039 he answered the question "what is your idea of unhappiness"? 176 00:13:05,040 --> 00:13:07,036 "being separated from maman" 177 00:13:07,037 --> 00:13:14,348 the narrator's grandmother in "Search for Lost Time" borrows all her traits from Mme Proust 178 00:13:14,383 --> 00:13:22,296 In Illiers, with Dr. Proust's family, Marcel Proust spent his childhood holidays 179 00:13:22,331 --> 00:13:26,707 Illiers is the Combray of "Swann's Way" 180 00:13:29,556 --> 00:13:33,753 Combray, at a distance, when we arrived there the week before Easter 181 00:13:33,754 --> 00:13:36,371 was no more than a church epitomizing the town, 182 00:13:36,372 --> 00:13:40,988 representing it, speaking of it and for it to the horizon, 183 00:13:40,989 --> 00:13:47,709 and as one drew near, gathering close about its long, dark cloak, sheltering from the wind, on the open plain, 184 00:13:47,710 --> 00:13:53,650 as a shepherdess gathers her sheep, the woolly grey backs of its huddled houses. 185 00:13:53,685 --> 00:13:57,878 Even when our errands lay in places behind the church, 186 00:13:57,879 --> 00:14:04,446 from which it could not be seen, the view seemed always to have been composed with reference to the steeple, which would loom up here and there among the houses, 187 00:14:04,447 --> 00:14:08,440 and was perhaps even more affecting when it appeared thus without the church. 188 00:14:10,549 --> 00:14:16,562 Illiers is also the house of Aunt L�onie, miraculously preserved 189 00:14:19,483 --> 00:14:24,001 On those evenings when, as we sat in front of the house round the iron table beneath the big chestnut-tree, 190 00:14:24,002 --> 00:14:29,378 we heard, from the far end of the garden, not the shrill and assertive alarm bell 191 00:14:29,413 --> 00:14:34,495 which assailed and deafened with its ferruginous, interminable, frozen sound 192 00:14:34,530 --> 00:14:39,577 any member of the household who set it off on entering �without ringing,� 193 00:14:39,578 --> 00:14:48,060 but the double tinkle, timid, oval, golden, of the visitors� bell, 194 00:14:48,061 --> 00:14:53,729 everyone would at once exclaim �A visitor! Who in the world can it be?� 195 00:14:56,463 --> 00:15:03,320 And so I must climb each step of the staircase �against my heart,� as the saying is, 196 00:15:03,321 --> 00:15:08,641 climbing in opposition to my heart�s desire, which was to return to my mother... 197 00:15:08,642 --> 00:15:16,744 That hateful staircase, up which I always went so sadly, gave out a smell of varnish 198 00:15:16,745 --> 00:15:24,554 which had, as it were, absorbed and crystallized the special quality of sorrow that I felt each evening, 199 00:15:24,589 --> 00:15:28,429 and made it perhaps even crueler to my sensibility 200 00:15:28,430 --> 00:15:36,955 because, when it assumed this olfactory guise, my intellect was powerless to resist it. 201 00:15:41,963 --> 00:15:44,146 My room wasn't beautiful at all, 202 00:15:44,147 --> 00:15:47,181 because it was full of things which were of no use 203 00:15:47,182 --> 00:15:51,974 and which concealed chastely so that their usage was made extremely difficult 204 00:15:51,975 --> 00:15:54,580 those which were of some use. 205 00:15:54,581 --> 00:16:00,173 But it was exactly from the things which weren't there to accommodate me, but 206 00:16:00,174 --> 00:16:02,892 which seemed to have come there for pleasure 207 00:16:02,893 --> 00:16:06,541 that my room drew its beauty for me. 208 00:16:06,542 --> 00:16:09,465 Those high white curtains 209 00:16:09,466 --> 00:16:13,184 which hid the bed from view, placed like in the recess of a sanctuary, 210 00:16:13,185 --> 00:16:18,392 the trinity of the glass with the blue design, of the sugar bowl and the jug 211 00:16:18,393 --> 00:16:25,264 always empty when I arrived by orders of my Aunt who was afraid I'd "spread" it. 212 00:16:25,265 --> 00:16:28,898 a sort of cultish instrument. 213 00:16:28,933 --> 00:16:35,964 The little embroidered shawls which threw a cape of white roses over the backs of the chairs 214 00:16:35,965 --> 00:16:40,969 which weren't without thorns, since each time I finished reading and wanted to get up 215 00:16:40,970 --> 00:16:43,912 I realized that I got stuck to them. 216 00:16:43,913 --> 00:16:53,699 that glass bell, under which, isolated from vulgar contacts, the clock chatted intimately with faraway shells 217 00:16:53,700 --> 00:16:56,358 and with an old sentimental flower. 218 00:16:56,359 --> 00:16:59,657 That piece of white lace, 219 00:16:59,658 --> 00:17:03,473 thrown like an altar cloth on the chest of drawers ornamented with two vases, 220 00:17:03,474 --> 00:17:07,042 a portrait of the Saviour and a blessed piece of boxwood 221 00:17:07,043 --> 00:17:10,825 made it look like the Saint Table 222 00:17:10,826 --> 00:17:13,237 The Prince Eug�ne 223 00:17:13,238 --> 00:17:15,873 terrible and handsome in his dolman 224 00:17:15,874 --> 00:17:20,827 and whom I was surprised to encounter one night, in a turbulence filled with locomotives and hailstorms, 225 00:17:20,828 --> 00:17:22,791 still terrible and handsome, 226 00:17:22,792 --> 00:17:29,506 near the door of a railway station buffet where he served as advertisement for a special kind of biscuit. 227 00:17:29,507 --> 00:17:32,723 The room of Aunt L�onie 228 00:17:32,724 --> 00:17:37,808 At one side of her bed stood a big yellow chest of drawers of lemon-wood, 229 00:17:37,809 --> 00:17:42,022 and a table which served at once as dispensary and high altar, 230 00:17:42,023 --> 00:17:47,751 on which, beneath a statue of the Virgin and a bottle of Vichy-C�lestins, 231 00:17:47,752 --> 00:17:51,537 might be found her prayer-books and her medical prescriptions, 232 00:17:51,538 --> 00:17:56,213 everything that she needed in bed for the performance of her duties to the sacred offices and her diet, 233 00:17:56,214 --> 00:18:00,686 to keep the proper times for pepsin and for vespers. 234 00:18:00,687 --> 00:18:05,443 On the other side her bed was bounded by the window. 235 00:18:10,490 --> 00:18:14,762 I didn't have much time to read in my room, as I had to go out to the park 236 00:18:14,763 --> 00:18:16,632 at 1 km distance from the village. 237 00:18:20,277 --> 00:18:25,345 I advanced running into the labyrinth up to a certain bower where I sat down, 238 00:18:25,346 --> 00:18:28,973 untraceable, leaning next to the clipped hazelnut trees, 239 00:18:28,974 --> 00:18:32,615 looking at the asparagus and strawberry beds, 240 00:18:32,616 --> 00:18:36,457 where on some days the horses pulled up the water, 241 00:18:36,458 --> 00:18:40,286 the white gate which was the end of the park 242 00:18:40,287 --> 00:18:45,179 above it, the cornflower and poppy fields. 243 00:18:48,997 --> 00:18:52,626 In this bower the silence was deep, 244 00:18:52,627 --> 00:18:55,726 the risk of being discovered almost non-existent, 245 00:18:55,727 --> 00:19:03,723 only from time to time, the golden sound of the bells who seemed to chime from the faraway plains, behind the blue skies 246 00:19:03,724 --> 00:19:06,124 could have warned me of the time passed, 247 00:19:06,125 --> 00:19:11,416 but surprised by its sweetness, troubled by its profound silence, 248 00:19:11,417 --> 00:19:14,329 emptied of the last sounds which followed it, 249 00:19:14,330 --> 00:19:17,775 I was never sure about the number of its chimes. 250 00:19:20,128 --> 00:19:22,667 The greatest charm of the Guermantes' way 251 00:19:22,668 --> 00:19:27,126 was that we had beside us, almost all the time, the running stream of the Vivonne. 252 00:19:27,127 --> 00:19:33,055 We crossed it first, ten minutes after leaving the house, by a foot-bridge called the Pont-Vieux. 253 00:19:33,056 --> 00:19:42,688 The Pont-Vieux led to a tow-path which, at this point, would be overhung in summer by the bluish foliage of a hazel. 254 00:19:42,723 --> 00:19:48,010 Over these were strewn the remains, half-buried in the long grass, 255 00:19:48,011 --> 00:19:51,111 of the castle of the ancient Counts of Combray. 256 00:19:54,559 --> 00:19:58,406 One of my other surprises was that of seeing "the source of the Vivonne", 257 00:19:58,407 --> 00:20:02,920 which I had imagined as something as extra-terrestrial as the Gates of Hell, 258 00:20:02,921 --> 00:20:07,753 and which was merely a sort of rectangular basin in which bubbles rose to the surface. 259 00:20:12,919 --> 00:20:16,525 in Paris, Proust went to the Lyc�e Condorcet 260 00:20:16,526 --> 00:20:19,603 M. Daniel Hal�vy was his classmate. 261 00:20:19,604 --> 00:20:21,604 yes. 262 00:20:22,845 --> 00:20:25,211 how was Proust as a child? 263 00:20:27,624 --> 00:20:32,601 he was so exceptional that I hesitate to answer 264 00:20:32,602 --> 00:20:41,408 he was there in the lyc�e all right, but it seemed as if he didn't quite belong to us 265 00:20:44,540 --> 00:20:50,457 I remember a day, chatting with some comrades 266 00:20:50,458 --> 00:20:55,791 I felt somebody touching my shoulder 267 00:20:55,792 --> 00:21:00,344 I turned round, it was Proust 268 00:21:00,345 --> 00:21:04,552 I made a slightly brusque movement 269 00:21:04,553 --> 00:21:14,140 and I remember that this produced an alteration on Proust's face 270 00:21:15,607 --> 00:21:18,148 I had hurt him 271 00:21:18,149 --> 00:21:30,301 sometimes when I felt annoyed at him, I thought he was a bit of a poseur 272 00:21:30,302 --> 00:21:33,302 well, I was wrong 273 00:21:33,303 --> 00:21:37,069 he became sad all of a sudden 274 00:21:37,070 --> 00:21:44,854 because he felt that all those boys, that's what we were, boys 275 00:21:44,855 --> 00:21:47,593 he was something different 276 00:21:47,594 --> 00:21:53,694 we had in our class a Sardou, a Bizet 277 00:21:53,695 --> 00:21:55,999 a Robert de Flers 278 00:21:56,000 --> 00:21:59,019 a Fernand Gregh 279 00:21:59,020 --> 00:22:06,142 and we knew very well that the first in that little category of human beings 280 00:22:06,143 --> 00:22:09,426 there was Proust, we knew it 281 00:22:09,427 --> 00:22:15,736 we had organized a revue, published by the Lyc�e Condorcet 282 00:22:15,737 --> 00:22:18,750 which we called "The Banquet" 283 00:22:18,751 --> 00:22:23,697 and naturally we asked Proust to participate 284 00:22:23,698 --> 00:22:27,411 and Proust in his kindness didn't refuse 285 00:22:27,412 --> 00:22:30,142 he gave us a copy 286 00:22:30,143 --> 00:22:34,526 we read it with a horrified amazement 287 00:22:36,646 --> 00:22:39,021 we had to refuse to publish it 288 00:22:39,022 --> 00:22:43,314 what had happened? what misfortune? 289 00:22:43,349 --> 00:22:51,834 the misfortune, we knew about it, that Proust had become a man of the world 290 00:22:53,548 --> 00:22:58,428 it cannot be denied that in his youth Proust went out a lot in society 291 00:22:58,429 --> 00:23:04,074 there's no great social function that does not resemble those parties to which doctors invite their patients, 292 00:23:04,075 --> 00:23:09,886 who utter the most intelligent remarks, have perfect manners, and would never show that they were mad, 293 00:23:09,887 --> 00:23:13,331 if they didn't whisper in your ear, pointing to some old gentleman going past: 294 00:23:13,332 --> 00:23:15,405 �That�s Joan of Arc.� 295 00:23:15,406 --> 00:23:18,406 one could meet him at the Comtesse Greffulhe 296 00:23:18,407 --> 00:23:20,203 mother-in-law of his friend Gramont 297 00:23:20,204 --> 00:23:23,170 from whom he borrowed a lot of traits for his Princesse de Guermantes 298 00:23:23,171 --> 00:23:27,382 at the Princesse Mathilde, survivor of the Second Empire 299 00:23:27,383 --> 00:23:29,605 at Mme Arman de Caillavet 300 00:23:29,606 --> 00:23:32,027 at Madeleine Lemaire 301 00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:34,925 with Louisa de Mornand 302 00:23:36,168 --> 00:23:38,831 he was friends with Reynaldo Hahn 303 00:23:38,832 --> 00:23:41,782 he went out with Boni de Castellane 304 00:23:41,783 --> 00:23:43,674 with Robert de Flers 305 00:23:45,225 --> 00:23:47,820 with Emmanuel and Antoine Bibesco 306 00:23:47,821 --> 00:23:50,902 he was friends with Robert de Montesquiou 307 00:23:50,903 --> 00:23:55,525 and he described his traits with almost no transposition as the Baron de Charlus 308 00:23:58,076 --> 00:23:59,583 and Charles Haas 309 00:23:59,584 --> 00:24:01,290 dear Charles Haas 310 00:24:01,291 --> 00:24:05,459 if in the painting by Tissot, representing the balcony of the circle of the Rue Royale 311 00:24:05,460 --> 00:24:07,284 one talks so much about you, 312 00:24:07,285 --> 00:24:11,732 that's because you have some traits of the character of Swann 313 00:24:13,110 --> 00:24:20,361 at the end of the last century, the Marquis de Lauris heard about Marcel Proust for the first time 314 00:24:20,362 --> 00:24:25,802 I had heard a lot about him, because people were talking a lot about him 315 00:24:25,837 --> 00:24:31,243 not because of what he had done or created, but there was ... his lifestyle 316 00:24:31,278 --> 00:24:36,702 he was a star, as one would say today, certainly 317 00:24:36,737 --> 00:24:39,302 at least in certain circles 318 00:24:39,303 --> 00:24:43,778 I met Marcel Proust at first in several salons 319 00:24:43,779 --> 00:24:48,239 among others at a dinner at Mme L�on Fould 320 00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:56,017 and obviously, he struck you first of all by his physiognomy, by his looks 321 00:24:56,018 --> 00:25:00,241 I haven't forgotten the extraordinary pallor of his face 322 00:25:00,242 --> 00:25:03,357 under very black hair 323 00:25:03,358 --> 00:25:07,490 and I haven't forgotten the look of his eyes 324 00:25:07,491 --> 00:25:12,344 his conversation was prodigiously adapted to his interlocutor 325 00:25:12,345 --> 00:25:20,127 because he absolutely didn't want to seem ... didn't want to astound 326 00:25:20,128 --> 00:25:25,947 he wanted to talk to people about what he believed interested them 327 00:25:25,948 --> 00:25:30,638 although he wasn't very familiar with sports 328 00:25:30,639 --> 00:25:36,808 he would have undertaken a conversation about sports if he had been talking to a sportsman 329 00:25:36,843 --> 00:25:39,242 if the occasion arose, obviously 330 00:25:39,243 --> 00:25:48,652 then there were people who interested him to a certain degree, one couldn't really predict that 331 00:25:48,653 --> 00:25:56,376 there are people he enjoyed when one didn't really understand why he enjoyed being with them, 332 00:25:56,377 --> 00:26:00,155 on the other hand, he himself couldn't understanding why they enjoyed being with him 333 00:26:00,156 --> 00:26:07,375 he was a kind of oracle, he stayed away from people, he was different from everybody else in this respect 334 00:26:07,376 --> 00:26:13,277 what he observed was a sort of secret, it concerned only himself 335 00:26:13,278 --> 00:26:20,170 Marcel Proust also frequented the Duc de Gramont, at Valli�re, where we too paid a visit 336 00:26:20,171 --> 00:26:29,409 it's in this room that Marcel Proust, in July 1904, came to dinner at Valli�re 337 00:26:29,410 --> 00:26:35,262 and as I told you, he arrived wearing white ties 338 00:26:35,263 --> 00:26:40,251 he mingled with the guest who were out on a boating on the lake or were playing tennis 339 00:26:40,252 --> 00:26:41,921 he was a bit intimidated 340 00:26:41,922 --> 00:26:44,205 and my father didn't know who he was 341 00:26:44,206 --> 00:26:48,585 he handed him the visitors' book for his signature 342 00:26:48,586 --> 00:26:52,083 and he said to him this phrase which annoyed Proust a bit: 343 00:26:52,084 --> 00:26:54,974 "no thoughts, M. Proust, just the name" 344 00:26:55,009 --> 00:27:00,396 when I saw the Duc de Gramont arrive with the book which all the evening's visitors had already signed 345 00:27:00,417 --> 00:27:07,949 and when I was about to write my signature below a miniscule Gutmann, followed by a minuscule Chevereaux and manuel of La Rochefoucault of equal size, 346 00:27:07,950 --> 00:27:15,632 when the Duc de Gramont whom my humble and confused attitude, joined to the fact that he knew that I was a writer, filled with anxiety, 347 00:27:15,667 --> 00:27:20,306 addressed me in a tone at the same time imploring and full of energy, with those lapidary words: 348 00:27:20,307 --> 00:27:23,135 "your name, M. Proust, but no thoughts" 349 00:27:23,136 --> 00:27:26,532 the desire to get the name, and the fear of getting the reflections 350 00:27:26,533 --> 00:27:30,917 would have been justified if it had been me who had invited him to dinner and who would have asked him to sign: 351 00:27:30,918 --> 00:27:34,954 "your name, M. de Duc, but no thoughts!" 352 00:27:36,790 --> 00:27:44,254 you already told me, M. le Duc, that often at night, after the theatre shows, you used to visit Proust. 353 00:27:44,255 --> 00:27:48,098 could you tell us under what circumstances, and how and why? 354 00:27:48,099 --> 00:27:56,174 since Proust stayed in his dining room the whole night we could arrive at any time, coming from the theatre shows 355 00:27:56,175 --> 00:28:01,327 with comrades, they took out a bottle of cider from the cupboard 356 00:28:01,328 --> 00:28:06,134 and we did the summing up of the evening, the critique of the play we had just seen 357 00:28:06,135 --> 00:28:10,178 and it didn't last very long since we had to work the next morning 358 00:28:10,179 --> 00:28:12,292 but we often stayed there until 1 a.m. 359 00:28:12,293 --> 00:28:15,590 and since there were cabs circulating everywhere 360 00:28:15,591 --> 00:28:17,634 we returned home by cab 361 00:28:17,635 --> 00:28:22,989 we went there with Louis d'Albufera and Louisa de Mornand sometimes 362 00:28:22,990 --> 00:28:25,308 with Jacques de Bonneval 363 00:28:25,309 --> 00:28:28,629 with Bertrand de F�n�lon who was a great friend of all of us 364 00:28:28,630 --> 00:28:34,467 and we talked without restraint during an hour at his place, very simply 365 00:28:34,468 --> 00:28:36,390 what were you talking about? 366 00:28:36,391 --> 00:28:41,012 most of all, on the evenings when we went to see a play 367 00:28:41,013 --> 00:28:45,834 in fact, generally we talked about the play we had just seen 368 00:28:45,869 --> 00:28:52,606 the subject was fresh in our minds, and that's what we talked about 369 00:28:52,641 --> 00:28:56,281 obviously, now Proust too started asking us questions 370 00:28:56,282 --> 00:29:01,222 about the society which interested him, since he had already started to write 371 00:29:01,257 --> 00:29:06,163 we didn't know at the time, but he had been writing "Swann's Way" 372 00:29:06,164 --> 00:29:10,519 at the time, you know, Proust wasn't a famous author 373 00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:14,311 considering that he had only published "Les plaisirs et les jours" 374 00:29:14,312 --> 00:29:16,307 and then the book on Ruskin 375 00:29:16,308 --> 00:29:19,964 "Swann" came later 376 00:29:19,965 --> 00:29:24,816 and when one talked about Proust, saying that he was a remarkably intelligent man 377 00:29:24,817 --> 00:29:28,617 I remember, I got the answer: "Ah yes, Proust, of the Ritz Hotel" 378 00:29:28,618 --> 00:29:30,261 M. de Lacretelle 379 00:29:30,262 --> 00:29:32,437 anyway, if he had been a snob 380 00:29:32,438 --> 00:29:35,236 in his youth, when I didn't know him 381 00:29:35,237 --> 00:29:38,608 we certainly profited by it a lot 382 00:29:38,609 --> 00:29:44,422 because he was the chronicler, the St. Simon of his times 383 00:29:44,423 --> 00:29:51,661 this is what partly excuses him, and what gives him a great place in literature 384 00:29:51,662 --> 00:29:56,675 now one could say a lot about his snobbism 385 00:29:56,676 --> 00:30:00,609 you see, I think it's sense of history 386 00:30:00,610 --> 00:30:15,693 and his visionary power that gave him a strong desire to approach such illustrious personage, descending from a great lady, 387 00:30:15,694 --> 00:30:19,497 from a man who had played a role in history 388 00:30:19,498 --> 00:30:21,486 that's what he found amusing 389 00:30:21,487 --> 00:30:31,349 I was just telling you about his desire to establish affiliations between the people of today and those of the past 390 00:30:31,350 --> 00:30:33,543 well, that's what his snobbism was about 391 00:30:33,544 --> 00:30:39,514 when he visited Mme de Noailles or the great families 392 00:30:39,515 --> 00:30:50,714 don't you think that he found it amusing to discover a passage from St. Simon relating to a trait of his host's ancestors 393 00:30:50,715 --> 00:30:51,953 but undoubtedly he did 394 00:30:51,954 --> 00:30:58,475 when he visited the Duc de Guiche at La Valli�re, it was the same thing 395 00:30:58,510 --> 00:31:03,257 no, I think one has exaggerated far too much Proust's snobbism 396 00:31:03,258 --> 00:31:07,510 and I repeat, we owe it his greatest successes 397 00:31:07,511 --> 00:31:11,527 so as reader of Proust, that's good enough for me, I absolve him 398 00:31:12,831 --> 00:31:18,452 the socialite Proust, the Proust of the Ritz Hotel felt obliged to go to the fashionable seaside resorts 399 00:31:18,453 --> 00:31:23,947 the fashionable seaside resorts at the beginning of the century were the beaches on the Normandy coasts 400 00:31:23,948 --> 00:31:28,385 and especially Cabourg, the Balbec of "Within a Budding Grove" 401 00:31:33,924 --> 00:31:35,802 we went there with Philippe Soupault 402 00:31:35,803 --> 00:31:42,108 who knew Proust in that same hotel, where the future author of "In Search of Lost Time" used to stay 403 00:31:42,109 --> 00:31:50,849 each evening at 6 p.m. one heard in the hall a sort of noisy hustle 404 00:31:50,850 --> 00:31:58,610 and one heard small groups of people shouting: "There's M. Marcel Proust" 405 00:31:58,611 --> 00:32:07,826 at once, the groups started to rush, because they wanted to bring forward M. Proust's armchair which brought them a good tip 406 00:32:07,827 --> 00:32:14,299 as you know, Proust was always very aware of the importance to tip generously 407 00:32:14,300 --> 00:32:17,273 so they brought him his armchair, and that's the one I saw 408 00:32:17,274 --> 00:32:22,588 when Proust came in, armed with an umbrella because he was terribly afraid of the sun 409 00:32:22,589 --> 00:32:27,976 and he was always afraid, when the sun was hidden by a cloud, that the sun might suddenly reappear 410 00:32:27,977 --> 00:32:32,614 he was already wrapped up in scarves because he was very sensitive to the cold 411 00:32:32,615 --> 00:32:36,882 but mostly, he sat down there, he watched people going by 412 00:32:36,883 --> 00:32:41,061 he was interested in all the people of Cabourg 413 00:32:41,062 --> 00:32:43,786 he asked me if I knew this gentleman or that lady 414 00:32:43,787 --> 00:32:48,010 and he told me "you know, don't be surprised, I'm a bit of a conci�rge" 415 00:32:48,011 --> 00:32:54,677 but mostly I think he was trying to seize memories on that esplanade, on that pier 416 00:32:54,712 --> 00:33:01,344 well, he tried to remember the time when he first met "the young girls in flower" 417 00:33:01,345 --> 00:33:05,108 we didn't know that he was a writer 418 00:33:05,109 --> 00:33:10,712 he didn't brag about having published a booklet a long time ago, called "Les plaisirs et les jours" 419 00:33:10,747 --> 00:33:12,329 he never talked about it 420 00:33:12,330 --> 00:33:14,123 and we didn't know that he wrote 421 00:33:15,048 --> 00:33:20,797 I looked at the round tables whose innumerable assemblage filled the restaurant like so many planets, 422 00:33:20,798 --> 00:33:24,042 as the latter are represented in old allegorical pictures. 423 00:33:24,043 --> 00:33:29,301 Moreover, there seemed to be some irresistible force of attraction at work among these various stars, 424 00:33:29,302 --> 00:33:35,108 and at each table the diners had eyes only for the tables at which they were not sitting, 425 00:33:36,551 --> 00:33:38,318 You've dined here with Proust? 426 00:33:38,319 --> 00:33:41,269 in this same dining room, at this same table 427 00:33:41,270 --> 00:33:44,485 and even, if you like, sitting at this place 428 00:33:44,486 --> 00:33:53,135 because 3 or 4 times per week Proust invited his friends and acquaintances and his friends' friends 429 00:33:53,136 --> 00:33:57,366 we were sometimes a large gathering, 12, 14, even 20 430 00:33:57,367 --> 00:34:01,259 and Proust was extremely happy to be host to other people 431 00:34:01,294 --> 00:34:04,917 he was hospitable, and he liked to seduce 432 00:34:04,918 --> 00:34:08,118 but after a certain time he got tired 433 00:34:08,119 --> 00:34:14,438 or, as I learned later, he wanted to leave in order to write 434 00:34:14,439 --> 00:34:18,450 and at such a moment he invented something marvelous 435 00:34:18,451 --> 00:34:23,019 he offered his friends cigars and asked the maitre d' to bring cigars 436 00:34:23,020 --> 00:34:27,650 so they brought cigars, everybody served himself and started to light the cigars 437 00:34:27,651 --> 00:34:34,057 then he said, "you must excuse me, I cannot bear cigar smoke, I'll retire" 438 00:34:34,058 --> 00:34:37,922 thus he finished his banquet earlier than he should have 439 00:34:37,923 --> 00:34:43,773 in fact, what interested him was the little daily routine around him 440 00:34:43,774 --> 00:34:47,183 he was interested a lot in the conci�rges 441 00:34:47,184 --> 00:34:49,093 in the bellboys 442 00:34:49,094 --> 00:34:53,024 even in the chambermaid which he judged severely 443 00:34:54,470 --> 00:35:01,312 Beside the row of carriages, in front of the porch in which I stood waiting, was planted, like some shrub of a rare species, a young page 444 00:35:01,313 --> 00:35:07,256 who attracted the eye no less by the unusual and harmonious colouring of his hair than by his plant-like epidermis. 445 00:35:07,257 --> 00:35:12,897 Inside, in the hall, corresponding to the narthex, or Church of the Catechumens in a primitive basilica, 446 00:35:12,898 --> 00:35:16,566 through which the persons who were not staying in the hotel were entitled to pass, 447 00:35:16,567 --> 00:35:21,841 the comrades of the �outside� page did not indeed work much harder than he, 448 00:35:21,842 --> 00:35:24,345 but did at least execute certain movements. 449 00:35:24,346 --> 00:35:28,357 It is probable that in the early morning they helped with the cleaning. 450 00:35:28,358 --> 00:35:36,844 But in the afternoon they stood there only like a chorus who, even when there is nothing for them to do, remain upon the stage in order to strengthen the representation. 451 00:35:36,845 --> 00:35:43,969 But the outside page, with his delicate tints, his slender, fragile frame, 452 00:35:43,970 --> 00:35:48,299 preserved an immobility mixed with a certain melancholy, 453 00:35:48,300 --> 00:35:59,480 for his elder brothers had left the hotel for more brilliant careers elsewhere, and he felt isolated upon this alien soil. 454 00:35:59,515 --> 00:36:04,129 M. Jean Cocteau too met Marcel Proust before the war 455 00:36:04,130 --> 00:36:07,813 Proust lived 102, Blvd. Haussmann 456 00:36:07,814 --> 00:36:12,820 I remember this address very well, despite having a bad memory for numbers 457 00:36:12,821 --> 00:36:17,727 because we exchanged letters on whose envelopes were written poems 458 00:36:17,728 --> 00:36:20,008 "Address-poems" 459 00:36:20,009 --> 00:36:22,917 for example, "address-poems" by Mallarm� 460 00:36:22,918 --> 00:36:25,712 and I remember one of those addresses which went: 461 00:36:25,713 --> 00:36:30,664 "102 Blvd Haussmann, ouste! run postman, to Marcel Proust" 462 00:36:30,665 --> 00:36:35,026 and Marcel wrote considerable poems on his envelopes 463 00:36:35,027 --> 00:36:37,906 and if the postman couldn't decipher them, since he had a terrible handwriting 464 00:36:37,907 --> 00:36:41,065 which one had to take apart like one removes the shells from a nut 465 00:36:41,066 --> 00:36:46,027 and after some effort, the postman found the name and the address 466 00:36:46,028 --> 00:36:53,337 and I had started to visit Marcel Proust in the evenings, Blvd. Haussmann 467 00:36:53,372 --> 00:36:57,380 I don't think that Marcel Proust's threshold was easy to cross? 468 00:36:57,381 --> 00:37:00,747 at first, there was a whole ceremony involved before one could enter at Marcel's, 469 00:37:00,782 --> 00:37:03,978 because one was stopped in the vestibule by C�leste 470 00:37:03,979 --> 00:37:07,074 C�leste asked you ... much later, when she knew me, 471 00:37:07,109 --> 00:37:12,982 "M. Jean, I hope you haven't been with a lady tonight, you haven't shaken hands with a lady who had touched a flower 472 00:37:12,983 --> 00:37:18,018 since Marcel was living inside a cloud of anti-asthmatic powder, he was afraid of an asthmatic crisis 473 00:37:18,053 --> 00:37:25,369 and he was even afraid of the contact of a person who had in his turn contacted earlier a person who had smelled at a flower 474 00:37:25,370 --> 00:37:27,312 how did he receive you at his place? 475 00:37:27,313 --> 00:37:30,740 one entered a veritable cloud of anti-asthmatic powder 476 00:37:30,741 --> 00:37:33,384 he was lying down on his bed, fully clothed 477 00:37:33,385 --> 00:37:39,497 a bed made of copper which was encased in a sort of gu�rite en li�ge kork which protected him from outside noises 478 00:37:39,532 --> 00:37:44,399 he wore white gloves to keep himself from his habit of biting his nails 479 00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:50,701 and he resembled, when he wore a beard, the dead Carnot, or Haroun al Rachid 480 00:37:50,702 --> 00:37:52,821 or Captain Nemo 481 00:37:52,822 --> 00:37:57,375 his room resembled a lot the Nautilus 482 00:37:57,376 --> 00:38:04,459 and when he didn't wear a beard, he resembled the famous portrait by Jacques-�mile Blanche where he looks like an Easter egg 483 00:38:04,460 --> 00:38:07,982 in the evening, we sometimes asked him to read to us passages from his work 484 00:38:07,983 --> 00:38:14,027 it was very difficult to listen to him, because he read and laughed at the same time 485 00:38:14,028 --> 00:38:20,190 hiding his laugh behind his beard and gloved hand 486 00:38:20,191 --> 00:38:24,887 he interrupted his reading with "this is idiotic, this is idiotic" 487 00:38:24,888 --> 00:38:31,840 and he explained to us that a certain gesture would only acquire its significance in the 15th volume 488 00:38:31,875 --> 00:38:35,500 which was too far down under the stacks of papers for him to get it out for us 489 00:38:35,535 --> 00:38:39,014 those readings had more the aspect of a hilarious fooling around among friends 490 00:38:39,015 --> 00:38:41,339 his asthma didn't prevent him from going out? 491 00:38:41,340 --> 00:38:49,114 he went out into society, very rarely, he cut his hair himself with nail scissors 492 00:38:49,149 --> 00:38:54,199 and he sometimes paid a visit to Mme de Cheving� in the middle of the night to who told him 493 00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:58,088 "Marcel arrives at impossible times with apparatuses in his pockets" 494 00:38:58,089 --> 00:38:59,648 she was wrong, those were bottles 495 00:38:59,649 --> 00:39:02,650 he always used to carry Vichy water bottles in his pockets 496 00:39:02,651 --> 00:39:05,144 "he arrives like an obstetrician", she said 497 00:39:05,145 --> 00:39:08,554 and he went once to the "Ballets Russes" 498 00:39:08,589 --> 00:39:11,963 it was the time of the Ballets Russes 499 00:39:11,964 --> 00:39:16,863 he went to see the Ballets Russes one evening in Mme Sert's box 500 00:39:16,864 --> 00:39:20,208 that box was in a curious state, there were 501 00:39:20,209 --> 00:39:23,631 Renoir, Auguste Rodin and Proust 502 00:39:23,632 --> 00:39:26,195 and they were very polite about who would sit down first 503 00:39:26,196 --> 00:39:28,486 so they only sat down when the curtain came down again 504 00:39:28,487 --> 00:39:30,697 and they weren't able to watch "l'apr�s-midi d'un faune" 505 00:39:30,698 --> 00:39:34,791 everything with Marcel was ceremonious 506 00:39:34,792 --> 00:39:37,147 he was extremely susceptible 507 00:39:37,148 --> 00:39:40,319 he always imagined one had committed an injury against him 508 00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:46,187 and perhaps one had committed one without realizing it, because he had such a hyper-sensitivity 509 00:39:46,188 --> 00:39:53,267 very often he was at Larue, he wrote me 15 pages, "you pretended, my dear Jean, not to notice me" 510 00:39:53,268 --> 00:39:55,745 and I hadn't seen Marcel at all 511 00:39:55,746 --> 00:39:57,689 otherwise I would have rushed to his table 512 00:39:57,690 --> 00:40:00,101 then he made a whole drama out of it 513 00:40:00,102 --> 00:40:12,192 magnifying what people had been telling and transcending Proust's work 514 00:40:12,193 --> 00:40:18,250 he lived in a perpetual labyrinth of polite or impolite behaviours 515 00:40:18,251 --> 00:40:22,777 one day he wrote me 20 pages 516 00:40:22,778 --> 00:40:29,651 of reproaches to be submitted, he wanted me to read the letter to �tienne de Beaumont 517 00:40:29,686 --> 00:40:32,369 he wanted me to read the 20 pages of reproaches against de Beaumont 518 00:40:32,370 --> 00:40:36,415 and then he wrote as P.S. "in fact, don't tell him anything" 519 00:40:38,380 --> 00:40:45,103 M. Paul Morand didn't set out to meet Proust, it was Proust who spontaneously went to see him 520 00:40:45,104 --> 00:40:53,592 Yes. I had hardly told his friends with whom I was having dinner that Proust was somebody like Flaubert, 521 00:40:53,593 --> 00:40:59,086 that this intrigued enormously Proust and that during one of my leaves in Paris 522 00:40:59,087 --> 00:41:01,194 he rang my doorbell at midnight 523 00:41:01,229 --> 00:41:08,144 and I found in front of the door of small ground floor apartment I was living in, rue Gallil�e 524 00:41:08,179 --> 00:41:10,722 that was in August 1915 525 00:41:10,723 --> 00:41:14,721 a man in a pelisse with a very pale face 526 00:41:14,756 --> 00:41:19,764 a beard growing like mildew on a cheese, very blue around the chin 527 00:41:19,799 --> 00:41:24,773 great swarthy looking eyes, very black hair, magnificent teeth 528 00:41:24,774 --> 00:41:30,527 and a very soft and insinuating voice, but at the same time with a lot of authority 529 00:41:30,528 --> 00:41:36,135 he was dressed ... I saw standing before me a character of the year 1905 530 00:41:36,136 --> 00:41:43,886 he wore a grey bowler hat, I can still see him, his pelisse with a collar of worn otter fur 531 00:41:43,921 --> 00:41:50,601 a tie which didn't fit his shirt collar, the collar didn't fit the neck, 532 00:41:50,636 --> 00:41:52,758 he wore his shirt "empes�", like one used to wear at the time 533 00:41:52,793 --> 00:41:59,215 he continually struggled against that shirt billowing under his tie which had climbed up his collar 534 00:41:59,216 --> 00:42:02,316 the cuffs put on the wrong way round 535 00:42:02,317 --> 00:42:07,551 he had a walking stick like one used at the time, a stage cane made of snake wood 536 00:42:07,586 --> 00:42:12,786 shoes with the tongues made of grey turkey skin, in short, exactly the fashion of 1905 537 00:42:12,787 --> 00:42:17,090 the period when he decided to lie down, only to get up from time to time 538 00:42:17,091 --> 00:42:22,903 the phrase he uttered when entering, I've tried to reconstruct it 539 00:42:22,938 --> 00:42:25,448 I'm saying this, don't read any reverence into it, 540 00:42:25,449 --> 00:42:29,865 but I'm one of the last persons who knew Proust well, 541 00:42:29,866 --> 00:42:36,022 and I want to give you an idea of what his conversation was like 542 00:42:36,023 --> 00:42:40,758 even though his books give a perfect idea, because it was amazing how much his written phrase resembled his speech 543 00:42:40,793 --> 00:42:42,996 this is what I wrote: 544 00:42:45,938 --> 00:42:47,317 "You've come from Paris? 545 00:42:47,318 --> 00:42:52,793 "you'll find with justification - please lie down again, Monsieur, you'll catch cold - 546 00:42:52,794 --> 00:42:55,629 I was wearing my pyjamas and still standing in the hall 547 00:42:55,630 --> 00:42:59,502 "you'll consider it without doubt unsuitable to be woken up at this hour 548 00:42:59,503 --> 00:43:04,524 "but I hardly go out, I get up late and besides I'm wrong to get up at all 549 00:43:04,525 --> 00:43:10,152 "because the next day I'm being punished by atrocious sufferings and by an excess of ridiculous and never ending cares 550 00:43:10,153 --> 00:43:14,782 "which are however necessary because one must live with one's illness, one never will get well again 551 00:43:14,783 --> 00:43:20,964 "and the chronical illness is like an old lady who adores being attended to, you too will have cause to complain 552 00:43:20,999 --> 00:43:23,134 "even though you're still a young man and not an old lady 553 00:43:23,135 --> 00:43:25,938 "still I am considerate towards you by ringing at your doorbell at midnight 554 00:43:25,939 --> 00:43:30,824 "if I have taken the liberty it's because I feel the strong desire to know someone, it's you I'm talking about, 555 00:43:30,859 --> 00:43:33,636 "who has been emitting about me, people told me so, 556 00:43:33,637 --> 00:43:40,350 "I don't know you well enough for people to tell me about you other things than agreeable and even delicious things to hear, 557 00:43:40,385 --> 00:43:48,782 "you emitted about myself or more exactly about my book judgments which are, I won't be so audacious as to say, the most pertinent, in the style of our friend du Bos 558 00:43:48,817 --> 00:43:50,452 "but the most delicate. 559 00:43:50,453 --> 00:43:55,220 but Proust had this outpouring, at the same time monochord and precipitated? 560 00:43:56,745 --> 00:44:03,979 not precipitated. it was a very melodious phrase, extremely long which never ended, full of incidents 561 00:44:03,980 --> 00:44:08,627 objections one wouldn't have thought to formulate, but which he formulated himself 562 00:44:08,628 --> 00:44:13,402 it resembles a mountain road one tackled without ever arriving at the summit 563 00:44:13,403 --> 00:44:21,071 lots of incidents which sustained the phrase like oxygen balloons, preventing him from crashing down 564 00:44:21,072 --> 00:44:25,688 full of quibbling, of arborescence 565 00:44:25,689 --> 00:44:28,232 all this very fluid, very soft 566 00:44:28,233 --> 00:44:31,202 very soft and at the same time 567 00:44:31,203 --> 00:44:32,451 very virile 568 00:44:32,452 --> 00:44:34,804 when people draw Proust's portrait 569 00:44:34,805 --> 00:44:37,910 like Malaparte, for instance, for the stage 570 00:44:37,911 --> 00:44:42,991 they turn him into a character who is weak and effeminate 571 00:44:43,026 --> 00:44:45,023 that absolutely wasn't Proust 572 00:44:45,024 --> 00:44:46,939 Proust had a lot of authority 573 00:44:46,940 --> 00:44:48,873 what the English call "poise" 574 00:44:48,874 --> 00:44:51,149 ponderosity, moral authority 575 00:44:51,150 --> 00:44:53,031 at the same time lots of courage 576 00:44:53,032 --> 00:44:55,043 he looked you right in the eyes 577 00:44:55,044 --> 00:45:00,182 a bit of an air of defiance, of a d'Artagnan, the head thrown upwards 578 00:45:00,183 --> 00:45:02,164 he was very courageous 579 00:45:02,165 --> 00:45:05,828 I remember one evening, in the war, during bombings 580 00:45:05,829 --> 00:45:07,854 we left the Ritz Hotel 581 00:45:07,855 --> 00:45:09,759 and there was only one cab 582 00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:12,697 Proust called the cab 583 00:45:12,698 --> 00:45:17,062 and an American called it from the other side, both of them try to get it 584 00:45:17,063 --> 00:45:18,481 there's a struggle 585 00:45:18,482 --> 00:45:21,373 and Proust, who was an invalid who could hardly walk 586 00:45:21,374 --> 00:45:23,907 to my great surprise tried to knock down the American 587 00:45:23,908 --> 00:45:28,344 I saw him, for instance, one day at Larue, the restaurant 588 00:45:28,345 --> 00:45:34,317 when someone whom he suspected to discredit him behind his back, came up to him and stretched out his hand in a greeting 589 00:45:34,318 --> 00:45:36,560 I think he was right about him, by the way 590 00:45:36,561 --> 00:45:44,119 well, he received him in an extraordinary manner, I think there were present only him, Bibesco and myself 591 00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:49,419 and he looked at him in silence and I can still see him, 592 00:45:49,454 --> 00:45:54,684 Marcel's hand resting on the table, not even twitching, 593 00:45:54,719 --> 00:45:59,964 while he told him off, with a superbly calculated insolence 594 00:45:59,999 --> 00:46:05,646 I can hardly believe that Proust was "a ruffian" as we would say today 595 00:46:05,647 --> 00:46:11,833 no, he wasn't a ruffian, but I wanted to illustrate that he was very courageous 596 00:46:11,834 --> 00:46:17,187 and that he was afraid of absolutely nothing despite his frailty 597 00:46:17,188 --> 00:46:22,920 he was a man who could hardly drag himself from his bed to the cab 598 00:46:22,921 --> 00:46:27,117 from the cab to the person he was going to visit 599 00:46:27,118 --> 00:46:30,176 and there he collapsed into an armchair and he didn't move anymore 600 00:46:30,177 --> 00:46:32,211 he clutched at the arm-rests 601 00:46:32,212 --> 00:46:35,453 when he turned round, he generally moved his whole body 602 00:46:35,454 --> 00:46:39,659 very handicapped by all that starched harness of I was just telling you about 603 00:46:39,694 --> 00:46:44,483 the billowing shirt under which could be seen three woolen vests 604 00:46:44,484 --> 00:46:48,455 his hair a mess, meshes rising like spikes 605 00:46:48,456 --> 00:46:51,904 he tried to flatten them with his hand 606 00:46:51,905 --> 00:46:56,539 the gesture moved his tie to the left, he pulled it back to the right 607 00:46:56,574 --> 00:47:00,930 he looked as if he had dressed in an elevator, one had the impression of a character out the the Gr�vin Museum 608 00:47:00,931 --> 00:47:06,551 it was at the same time comical but also extremely touching, and the touching aspect prevailed greatly over the comical 609 00:47:06,552 --> 00:47:09,233 at his place, it was very different 610 00:47:09,234 --> 00:47:14,456 at his place, he had gotten so used to live lying down that he had a bed in each room, 611 00:47:14,457 --> 00:47:17,338 a bed not only in the bedroom, but also in the salon 612 00:47:17,339 --> 00:47:24,173 in his bedroom he lay down, in the bed of the salon it was more of a reclining, dressed in a pelisse 613 00:47:24,208 --> 00:47:28,511 in the meantime, C�leste made the bed in the bedroom 614 00:47:28,512 --> 00:47:32,595 there were days when he started working quite early 615 00:47:32,596 --> 00:47:37,969 on other days, he only started to work at 10 or 11 p.m. 616 00:47:37,970 --> 00:47:42,039 sometimes he worked in the afternoon, but rarely 617 00:47:42,040 --> 00:47:51,195 but what set him going, in order to be able to start working, the main question was his health 618 00:47:51,196 --> 00:47:56,843 he was very ill, he had terrible attacks of asthma 619 00:47:56,844 --> 00:48:00,666 and when he suffocated, he couldn't work 620 00:48:00,667 --> 00:48:02,382 and he didn't eat anything 621 00:48:02,383 --> 00:48:06,079 he deprived himself almost totally of nourishment, he only took coffee with milk 622 00:48:06,080 --> 00:48:15,354 I almost never saw him eat, sometimes, as an exception, some dish he fancied which we ordered from Larue 623 00:48:15,355 --> 00:48:20,147 I phoned Larue, and they delivered what he wanted to have 624 00:48:20,148 --> 00:48:27,952 and he started working after having had his second cup of coffee with milk 625 00:48:27,953 --> 00:48:31,359 and then he worked sometimes 626 00:48:31,360 --> 00:48:33,601 until midnight 627 00:48:33,602 --> 00:48:36,317 and at midnight, C�leste installed him in the next room 628 00:48:36,318 --> 00:48:43,911 she cleaned and knocked the carpets at midnight, and in order to be able do this, of course, you must tip your neighbours generously 629 00:48:43,912 --> 00:48:48,333 the building Bldv. Haussman was that much used to it 630 00:48:48,334 --> 00:48:54,675 that when the neighbours above hired a servant 631 00:48:54,676 --> 00:48:58,775 they told him, "we'll only pay you a monthly wage of 50 francs 632 00:48:58,776 --> 00:49:01,828 "but below there lives a gentleman, M. Marcel Proust 633 00:49:01,829 --> 00:49:05,324 "who will give you regularly 100 francs a month 634 00:49:05,325 --> 00:49:09,598 "if you will walk in your socks because the noise annoys him 635 00:49:09,599 --> 00:49:14,361 I only knew him at Blvd. Haussmann where he was so much afraid of noise 636 00:49:14,396 --> 00:49:18,513 that he paid a lot to the builders so that they wouldn't do any work in the apartment above 637 00:49:18,514 --> 00:49:25,286 and when the neighbours returned, they were stupefied: nothing had been done they had commissioned the builders to do 638 00:49:25,287 --> 00:49:29,160 because Marcel paid them a lot of money so that they wouldn't work above his head 639 00:49:29,161 --> 00:49:31,489 Proust was always very generous? 640 00:49:31,490 --> 00:49:35,250 Proust was very generous, he gave enormous tips 641 00:49:35,251 --> 00:49:40,903 he left restaurants or hotels flanked by two rows of waiters and ma�tres d' bowing to the ground 642 00:49:40,904 --> 00:49:45,104 which exasperated our friend Antoine Bibesco 643 00:49:45,105 --> 00:49:49,758 who was a kind of comical Mephistopheles agitating in Proust's shadow 644 00:49:49,759 --> 00:49:52,380 as soon as Proust had tipped somebody 645 00:49:52,381 --> 00:49:58,914 Proust claimed that he went and questioned the servants behind his back in order to know how much they had received 646 00:49:58,915 --> 00:50:06,162 and then, "to ruin my effect," said Proust, "he then told them that Proust had made a mistake, that he had given them far more that he intended" 647 00:50:06,163 --> 00:50:08,311 there's an excellent story 648 00:50:08,312 --> 00:50:16,044 at the end of his life, Proust went a lot to the Ritz to visit the Princesse Soutzo who later became Mme Paul Morand 649 00:50:16,045 --> 00:50:18,967 and when he left, he gave tips 650 00:50:18,968 --> 00:50:22,378 and one night he had no more money in his pockets, he told the conci�rge 651 00:50:22,379 --> 00:50:25,610 "could you lend me 50 francs?" "Of course, M. Proust, here you are." 652 00:50:25,611 --> 00:50:27,794 and Proust said "keep them, they were for you." 653 00:50:27,795 --> 00:50:31,589 in the salon where he received visitors 654 00:50:31,590 --> 00:50:34,954 later rue Hamelin, but first Blvd. Haussmann 655 00:50:34,955 --> 00:50:41,228 like his clothes, it was a salon of 1900, 1895-1900 656 00:50:41,229 --> 00:50:43,295 with vegetal designs on the walls 657 00:50:43,296 --> 00:50:47,389 furniture covered with green reps, with caterpillars 658 00:50:47,390 --> 00:50:55,214 the portrait of his father, Dr. Proust, in a frame of red plush in the middle of the salon on a scaffold 659 00:50:55,215 --> 00:51:03,686 and on the wall the portrait of the child admired by the whole family, the young Marcel Proust by Jacques-Emile Blanche 660 00:51:03,687 --> 00:51:09,886 Marcel's room resembled a family's home when everybody has left for the holidays 661 00:51:09,887 --> 00:51:12,600 everything covered with sheets, the chandeliers, the furniture 662 00:51:12,601 --> 00:51:14,594 and as I just told you 663 00:51:14,595 --> 00:51:18,800 dust everywhere because no dusting or sweeping was even done 664 00:51:18,801 --> 00:51:24,072 Cocteau compared it to a glaucous aquarium 665 00:51:24,073 --> 00:51:27,681 and I remember that Proust was very annoyed at that 666 00:51:27,682 --> 00:51:32,604 and he said to me: "Do you thing my room resembles a glaucous aquarium?" 667 00:51:32,639 --> 00:51:35,779 and sometimes Marcel left his bed 668 00:51:35,780 --> 00:51:38,928 he went into his dressing room 669 00:51:38,929 --> 00:51:43,988 and sometimes he ate cold noodles while standing, I remember seeing him doing that 670 00:51:43,989 --> 00:51:49,776 he was dressed in a sort of jumping suit made of violet velvet 671 00:51:49,777 --> 00:51:54,837 which seemed to contain the machinery of his mysterious mechanism 672 00:51:56,894 --> 00:52:02,371 thus a sketch of Proust might look like: frivolous, a bit eccentric 673 00:52:02,372 --> 00:52:07,813 still, he's the author of one of the most painful works of our times 674 00:52:09,773 --> 00:52:12,020 without doubt, he used his appearance as an act 675 00:52:12,021 --> 00:52:14,946 he used his frivolity as an act 676 00:52:14,981 --> 00:52:19,898 that this frivolity allowed him to gather the anecdotes 677 00:52:19,933 --> 00:52:26,034 that contributed to his work, this aspect of being a chronicle of an epoch 678 00:52:26,035 --> 00:52:33,033 where black humour is mixed endlessly with the most heartbreaking description of human passions. 679 00:52:34,527 --> 00:52:36,319 one mustn't forget 680 00:52:36,320 --> 00:52:40,216 that he has studied on himself 681 00:52:40,217 --> 00:52:43,223 the wounds of his characters 682 00:52:43,224 --> 00:52:45,618 one of those wounds 683 00:52:45,619 --> 00:52:47,887 I'm not going to mention it 684 00:52:47,888 --> 00:52:52,150 but you know what I'm alluding to 685 00:52:52,151 --> 00:52:57,788 and one couldn't have gone any further than he went, in that field 686 00:52:57,823 --> 00:53:01,921 another wound, more modest, if I dare say so 687 00:53:01,922 --> 00:53:04,829 and a bit ridiculous 688 00:53:04,830 --> 00:53:07,437 and a bit shameful, was the snobbism 689 00:53:07,438 --> 00:53:13,860 well, the picture Proust drew of it 690 00:53:13,861 --> 00:53:16,471 it's only in his book 691 00:53:16,472 --> 00:53:21,880 it achieves, if you like, a degree of profoundness 692 00:53:21,881 --> 00:53:30,469 which illuminates a lot the man, and it's on himself that he has studied it 693 00:53:30,470 --> 00:53:33,270 yes, he talked a lot about it 694 00:53:34,834 --> 00:53:39,854 foreign politics, I was a member of M. Briand's staff, it amused him a lot to learn what was going on there 695 00:53:39,855 --> 00:53:43,552 he talked a lot about strategy, that interested him enormously 696 00:53:43,553 --> 00:53:47,038 and he followed the war very closely 697 00:53:47,039 --> 00:53:54,066 he said, all military chroniclers, whom he generally thought to be idiots, except Henri Bidou who wasn't a professional 698 00:53:54,067 --> 00:53:57,915 but there was another one, I think the General Cherfils of the "Echo de Paris" 699 00:53:57,916 --> 00:54:00,049 who always made his day, he was that silly 700 00:54:00,050 --> 00:54:04,352 but he fairly ridiculed them in "Time Regained" 701 00:54:04,353 --> 00:54:10,434 yes, I think this is where intervenes the formation of his characters 702 00:54:10,435 --> 00:54:14,943 especially his secondary characters which were cast from one mould 703 00:54:14,944 --> 00:54:17,628 and one could even name them 704 00:54:17,629 --> 00:54:20,511 but sometimes, like in one's dreams, they were a lyrical creation 705 00:54:20,512 --> 00:54:25,376 where two or three persons lent their traits 706 00:54:25,377 --> 00:54:27,187 let's take the diplomat Norpois 707 00:54:27,188 --> 00:54:29,566 well, the diplomat Norpois was created from three persons: 708 00:54:29,567 --> 00:54:34,020 from a friend of his father, the French Ambassador in Rome, Barr�re 709 00:54:34,021 --> 00:54:35,681 whom by the way Proust loathed 710 00:54:35,682 --> 00:54:39,744 when I got attached to Barr�re two years later 711 00:54:39,745 --> 00:54:45,269 Proust told me "you'll be very unhappy with that man, I'll explain, why" - he was right about him 712 00:54:45,270 --> 00:54:53,064 then for Norpois there was a charming old thing, the Minister to Greece, called Guillemain 713 00:54:53,065 --> 00:54:56,306 and a third person, the Marquis de Montebello 714 00:54:56,307 --> 00:55:01,273 well, for all the characters there are traits borrowed from right or left 715 00:55:01,274 --> 00:55:04,502 but sometimes, and I mean, especially for the secondary characters 716 00:55:04,503 --> 00:55:06,490 he used a single name 717 00:55:06,491 --> 00:55:09,622 and what's graver still, in order not to have to invent a name 718 00:55:09,623 --> 00:55:13,104 he wrote the real name, and sometimes he forgot about it in the proofs 719 00:55:13,105 --> 00:55:15,087 this anecdote amused him a lot 720 00:55:15,088 --> 00:55:20,479 one day he described a ball at the Duchesse de Rohan who at that time was called Princesse de L�on 721 00:55:20,514 --> 00:55:25,271 so he described this ball at the Duchesse de Rohan, without denigrating it, by the way 722 00:55:25,272 --> 00:55:28,710 but he left in her name in the book, out of carelessness 723 00:55:28,711 --> 00:55:33,788 and to his great astonishment he received a letter from the poor good duchess 724 00:55:33,789 --> 00:55:41,102 who wrote: "dear M. Proust, I am so touched that you remember the ball I gave in 1912", etc. 725 00:55:41,137 --> 00:55:50,206 I remember one day, I told him, "but Mme Verdurin, I know who's the original 726 00:55:50,207 --> 00:55:55,280 "she's certainly my aunt, Mme M�nard-Dorian 727 00:55:55,281 --> 00:56:00,997 because if there was a literary salon, a musical salon, lots of fervour 728 00:56:00,998 --> 00:56:05,113 a bit of politics, very personal ... 729 00:56:05,114 --> 00:56:13,778 in short, I had recognized Mme Verdurin in several scenes I had witnessed in her salon 730 00:56:13,779 --> 00:56:15,578 and I knew Proust had been there too 731 00:56:15,579 --> 00:56:19,030 at first, Proust denied it 732 00:56:19,031 --> 00:56:26,247 he said: "Don't think that, I hardly know her, I've used lots of different persons" 733 00:56:26,248 --> 00:56:31,346 it's true, he had made an amalgamation, as he did with lots of his characters 734 00:56:31,381 --> 00:56:35,700 but imagine, one day, or rather, one evening 735 00:56:35,735 --> 00:56:40,020 I was at home and I received a letter from Proust 736 00:56:40,021 --> 00:56:42,436 a note he sent me through his chauffeur 737 00:56:42,437 --> 00:56:44,331 I read this note 738 00:56:44,332 --> 00:56:51,652 and he told me, "dear friend, I implore you, give me a piece of information I need at once" 739 00:56:51,653 --> 00:57:02,421 "I would like to know if the flowers decorating the table are standing upright at your aunt M�nard-Dorian?" 740 00:57:02,422 --> 00:57:10,325 "do you remember by what device she arranges the flowers on her table?" 741 00:57:10,360 --> 00:57:14,745 he was just describing a dinner at the Verdurin's 742 00:57:14,746 --> 00:57:17,044 and he needed this detail at once 743 00:57:17,045 --> 00:57:22,612 Mme de Chevign� whom he had turned into the Duchesse de Guermantes, didn't like Marcel's books 744 00:57:22,613 --> 00:57:24,331 she said: "I get stuck in his sentences" 745 00:57:24,332 --> 00:57:29,166 Marcel was aghast, he told me very bitterly "you must tell her not to say this about my book!" 746 00:57:29,167 --> 00:57:34,372 I said: "Marcel, that would be as if M. Fabre demanded of the insects to be interested in what he wrote about them" 747 00:57:34,373 --> 00:57:41,659 Mme Andr� Maurois, even you appear, I believe, in Marcel Proust's work 748 00:57:41,660 --> 00:57:45,982 yes, I think I'm Mlle de Saint-Loup 749 00:57:45,983 --> 00:57:51,994 a minor character who appears very briefly at the end of "Time Regained" 750 00:57:54,232 --> 00:57:56,399 How do you know that you're Mlle de Saint-Loup? 751 00:57:56,400 --> 00:57:58,619 Did Proust tell you, or ... 752 00:57:58,620 --> 00:58:04,981 well, Proust, at the moment when he drafted the plan of his "meandering novel" 753 00:58:04,982 --> 00:58:11,259 wanted to introduce a character of the third generation 754 00:58:11,260 --> 00:58:17,354 who could give to the reader the impression of the passing of time 755 00:58:21,466 --> 00:58:26,791 and Mlle de Saint-Loup is the granddaughter of Swann and Odette 756 00:58:26,792 --> 00:58:31,539 she's the only child of Gilberte Swann and Robert de Saint-Loup 757 00:58:33,557 --> 00:58:41,498 and consequently, she's the third generation of the family he studied, analyzed and observed during 13 volumes 758 00:58:41,499 --> 00:58:44,763 her cheeks resembled peonies 759 00:58:44,764 --> 00:58:48,822 he decided, at a certain moment, that he had to make my acquaintance 760 00:58:48,823 --> 00:58:51,367 and at once, he wanted to meet me 761 00:58:51,368 --> 00:58:53,188 at the time, I was 13 years old 762 00:58:53,189 --> 00:58:59,249 he had never seen me, because at the time the children didn't mix with adults' lives 763 00:58:59,250 --> 00:59:04,274 so one evening, at 11 p.m., he arrived at my parents 764 00:59:04,275 --> 00:59:07,875 insisting that I should be shown to him at once 765 00:59:07,876 --> 00:59:11,479 I was fast asleep 766 00:59:11,480 --> 00:59:17,980 they asked my English tutoress to wake me up and send me down to the salon 767 00:59:17,981 --> 00:59:20,937 she was very shocked 768 00:59:20,938 --> 00:59:26,650 and I was furious, a little girl being torn out of her first sleep 769 00:59:26,651 --> 00:59:30,322 telling me to get dressed and go down to the salon to meet a gentleman 770 00:59:30,323 --> 00:59:32,257 I was furious 771 00:59:32,258 --> 00:59:35,848 I went down in a really bad humour 772 00:59:35,849 --> 00:59:39,551 really determined to be sulky 773 00:59:39,552 --> 00:59:45,107 but Marcel Proust was a man of bewitching charm 774 00:59:45,108 --> 00:59:48,823 and very fast, he melted down my resistance 775 00:59:48,824 --> 00:59:55,002 in the "M�morables" by Maurice Martin du Gard, in the first volume, I think the volume opens up on this 776 00:59:55,003 --> 00:59:56,790 on a ball given by my wife 777 00:59:56,791 --> 01:00:01,402 and where Marcel Proust is sitting next to the fireplace, 778 01:00:01,403 --> 01:00:05,265 of course, right by the source of heat and keeping on his pelisse 779 01:00:05,266 --> 01:00:07,095 by the way, if those souvenirs are exact 780 01:00:07,096 --> 01:00:10,493 let me ask my wife if she remembers how this happened 781 01:00:17,550 --> 01:00:21,065 - do you remember the soir�e where ... - yes, very well 782 01:00:21,066 --> 01:00:25,729 Proust was very happy because he had learned that he was going to hear about the murder of Rasputin 783 01:00:25,730 --> 01:00:29,454 there was a Russian present with whom he was talking for a long time 784 01:00:29,489 --> 01:00:33,369 others wanted to be presented to Proust but he warded them off with a wave of his hands, like this 785 01:00:33,370 --> 01:00:35,725 and he went on concentrating on Rasputin 786 01:00:35,726 --> 01:00:41,286 the night at the Ritz, that was his daytime, he lived at night 787 01:00:41,321 --> 01:00:44,963 from that time on, he often went to the Ritz, 2 or 3 times per week 788 01:00:44,964 --> 01:00:46,947 he dined below, in the restaurant 789 01:00:46,948 --> 01:00:48,583 then he came up to my rooms, 790 01:00:48,584 --> 01:00:53,352 he didn't eat, he didn't drink, he just talked, he told me all the events of the day 791 01:00:53,353 --> 01:00:55,379 he adored gossip 792 01:00:55,380 --> 01:01:00,873 he used to phone sometimes to obtain a detail about a lady, what dress she had been wearing at a certain evening 793 01:01:00,874 --> 01:01:02,492 yes, he always wanted to know that from me 794 01:01:02,493 --> 01:01:03,941 he called you because of this? 795 01:01:03,942 --> 01:01:06,824 but we didn't have to phone, and besides, he didn't use the phone 796 01:01:06,825 --> 01:01:08,348 he had C�leste make the call 797 01:01:08,349 --> 01:01:14,253 C�leste called and said: "M. Marcel Proust who is afraid he'll die next week 798 01:01:14,254 --> 01:01:18,539 asks permission to visit Mme la Princesse for a last time tonight" 799 01:01:18,540 --> 01:01:20,383 I said, yes, of course, I was delighted 800 01:01:20,384 --> 01:01:23,810 so Marcel arrived and said: "I know you've been at that soir�e 801 01:01:23,811 --> 01:01:25,055 what dress were you wearing? 802 01:01:25,056 --> 01:01:28,949 after all, Madame, everybody says that he went out very rarely 803 01:01:28,950 --> 01:01:32,488 in fact, the number of his friends could be counted on the fingers of one hand 804 01:01:32,489 --> 01:01:36,388 and you're saying that the collected gossip, that he knew all the gossip 805 01:01:36,389 --> 01:01:37,596 but he received visitors 806 01:01:37,597 --> 01:01:39,958 some young people of society, if you like 807 01:01:39,959 --> 01:01:42,656 like H�lie de Talleyrand for instance, whom he liked a lot 808 01:01:42,657 --> 01:01:45,520 and he kept himself up to date 809 01:01:45,521 --> 01:01:49,271 this is the telepathy of the sick, they know everything without leaving their ... 810 01:01:49,272 --> 01:01:50,390 that's true 811 01:01:50,391 --> 01:01:54,794 it's very difficult to differentiate between what was pure information 812 01:01:54,795 --> 01:01:57,471 he received from his interlocutors 813 01:01:57,472 --> 01:02:00,601 and the relaxation their presence brought about 814 01:02:00,602 --> 01:02:04,450 a man who has been writing the whole day was happy to see somebody from the outside world 815 01:02:04,451 --> 01:02:07,947 often, especially with people from society 816 01:02:07,982 --> 01:02:11,443 he was after very precise informations 817 01:02:11,444 --> 01:02:15,509 with H�lie de Talleyrand, with the Comte de Beaumont 818 01:02:15,510 --> 01:02:22,405 with a generation younger than his old friends who were Flers, Guillaume de Lauris, Albufera etc. 819 01:02:23,019 --> 01:02:27,353 one had the impression that it was all about getting his documentation, not in order to be amused 820 01:02:27,388 --> 01:02:32,936 one had the impression that everything was channeled into this enormous work he carried inside himself 821 01:02:32,971 --> 01:02:35,686 did he talk about it, or was he discreet? 822 01:02:35,687 --> 01:02:36,897 no, he talked about it 823 01:02:36,898 --> 01:02:39,082 he talked about it without entering into details 824 01:02:39,083 --> 01:02:41,733 he talked about it in a general manner, for instance: 825 01:02:41,734 --> 01:02:47,152 "I must correct the proofs, this will be difficult because I take drops which dilate my pupillas 826 01:02:47,153 --> 01:02:50,664 "and with all that caffeine that contracts them, I've come to a point where I can't decipher anything at all 827 01:02:50,699 --> 01:02:57,515 and in fact, I remember a soir�e where below, in the Ritz, on a tiny pedestal of about 10 cm� 828 01:02:57,550 --> 01:02:59,574 they brought him an enormous stack of proofs 829 01:02:59,575 --> 01:03:05,052 and he started to correct them, and you know, when he corrects his proofs, he adds as much text on the border as the text itself 830 01:03:21,246 --> 01:03:27,640 Marcel Proust was already like cloistered to finish his work when Emmanuel Berl met him 831 01:03:27,641 --> 01:03:36,114 I knew him very well under a certain angle, during a certain time, in a relationship which was very limited 832 01:03:36,115 --> 01:03:39,906 I made his acquaintance by letter 833 01:03:39,907 --> 01:03:48,276 because I had written a letter to a common lady friend about his preface to "S�same et les lys" 834 01:03:48,277 --> 01:03:53,851 and since it was at the beginning of the war, and since there were small pieces of shrapnel inside the letter 835 01:03:53,852 --> 01:03:56,529 when this was reported to him, it deeply moved him 836 01:03:56,530 --> 01:04:00,270 so he felt obliged to write to me 837 01:04:00,271 --> 01:04:03,410 and that's what he did, he sent me quite a number of letters 838 01:04:03,411 --> 01:04:06,587 that lost unfortunately, in the trenches where I got them 839 01:04:06,588 --> 01:04:10,534 and when I climbed out of the trenches and went to Paris 840 01:04:10,535 --> 01:04:15,231 naturally, this dialogue continued 841 01:04:15,232 --> 01:04:19,173 I visited him a certain number of times, twice per week 842 01:04:19,174 --> 01:04:22,491 at midnight, like everybody else 843 01:04:22,492 --> 01:04:24,541 I entered his bedroom 844 01:04:24,542 --> 01:04:28,322 and he went on to explain to me what he had been explaining to me by letter 845 01:04:28,323 --> 01:04:33,663 what he explained to me was, that each person is irrefutably alone 846 01:04:33,664 --> 01:04:37,153 and that no communication is possible between two persons 847 01:04:37,154 --> 01:04:39,585 a theory which I didn't believe in 848 01:04:39,586 --> 01:04:43,260 so I found a letter from him 849 01:04:45,019 --> 01:04:47,009 miraculously preserved 850 01:04:47,044 --> 01:04:49,000 this letter on friendship 851 01:04:49,001 --> 01:04:52,101 on the same theme 852 01:04:52,102 --> 01:04:54,687 "but I am all alone 853 01:04:54,688 --> 01:05:01,973 "and I only profit by others to the degree in which they cause me to discover something within myself 854 01:05:01,974 --> 01:05:07,102 "either by making me suffer, thus more through love than friendship 855 01:05:07,103 --> 01:05:12,480 "or by their ridiculous side, which I don't want to see in a friend I care about 856 01:05:12,515 --> 01:05:15,366 "but which makes me understand their character 857 01:05:15,367 --> 01:05:18,926 what he taught me, it was the loneliness of man 858 01:05:18,927 --> 01:05:20,764 and the necessity to accept it 859 01:05:20,765 --> 01:05:24,082 he thought that everybody is alone 860 01:05:24,083 --> 01:05:31,175 that one has feelings and passions which are independent of their supposed object 861 01:05:31,210 --> 01:05:34,551 and that nobody ever communicates with anybody else 862 01:05:34,552 --> 01:05:36,473 that we all are like desert islands 863 01:05:36,474 --> 01:05:41,027 didn't he think that passion could be a means of communication? 864 01:05:41,028 --> 01:05:44,783 I think the passion the narrator has for Albertine, 865 01:05:44,784 --> 01:05:47,962 the passion of Swann for Odette 866 01:05:47,963 --> 01:05:49,081 not in the least degree! 867 01:05:49,082 --> 01:05:52,570 passion never reveals to you its object, it cannot reveal it to you 868 01:05:52,571 --> 01:05:54,597 passion reveals you to yourself 869 01:05:54,598 --> 01:05:58,249 it brings you into contact with yourself, by suffering 870 01:05:58,250 --> 01:06:05,052 you can have a very strong passion for a person you don't understand at all 871 01:06:05,053 --> 01:06:10,346 and even, in his book, the less you understand the people, 872 01:06:10,381 --> 01:06:16,296 the stronger your passion gets, because jealousy is precisely the measure of this incomprehension 873 01:06:16,297 --> 01:06:19,852 he knows very well that he doesn't know Albertine 874 01:06:19,853 --> 01:06:21,451 he loves her, but he doesn't know her 875 01:06:21,452 --> 01:06:25,016 and even after her death he tries to get to know her, and he doesn't succeed 876 01:06:25,017 --> 01:06:28,082 but he knows Saint-Loup 877 01:06:28,083 --> 01:06:29,886 no, absolutely not! 878 01:06:29,887 --> 01:06:32,562 only, he's much more indifferent 879 01:06:32,563 --> 01:06:39,216 he doesn't exercise the same passion to find out about all the sexual acts of Saint-Loup 880 01:06:39,217 --> 01:06:43,254 as he does in trying to find out about the sexual acts of Albertine, he doesn't start an investigation 881 01:06:43,255 --> 01:06:46,418 by the way, the investigation is running all by itself, since he discovers quite a bit after all 882 01:06:46,419 --> 01:06:50,894 but still, there are bursts of friendship for Saint-Loup, bursts of... 883 01:06:50,895 --> 01:06:52,542 of tenderness, tenderness. 884 01:06:52,577 --> 01:06:55,137 but obviously this doesn't reveal anything about Saint-Loup 885 01:06:55,172 --> 01:06:57,821 those are things which inform you about Proust 886 01:06:57,822 --> 01:07:02,381 it's a means Proust has to grasp himself, to know himself, 887 01:07:02,382 --> 01:07:07,980 regarding Saint-Loup, he never knew him, and neither Albertine, nor his grandmother, nor anybody 888 01:07:07,981 --> 01:07:10,884 since he didn't accept it when I said that I knew somebody 889 01:07:10,885 --> 01:07:15,070 Proust was somebody who must have suffered terribly 890 01:07:15,071 --> 01:07:22,970 since you know that he had arrived at a skepticism 891 01:07:22,971 --> 01:07:25,987 a nihilism that was terrible 892 01:07:26,022 --> 01:07:29,004 as well as, regarding love, 893 01:07:29,005 --> 01:07:31,391 and regarding friendship 894 01:07:31,392 --> 01:07:34,499 because that man who was so kind-natured, so charming 895 01:07:34,500 --> 01:07:40,430 who surrounded you with so many professions of friendship 896 01:07:40,465 --> 01:07:42,649 he didn't believe in friendship 897 01:07:42,650 --> 01:07:46,798 he didn't believe that friendship existed 898 01:07:46,799 --> 01:07:48,857 as to love, 899 01:07:48,858 --> 01:07:51,742 as to his thoughts on love, 900 01:07:51,743 --> 01:07:58,042 well, what makes me admire Proust, 901 01:07:58,043 --> 01:08:01,258 more than anything else, 902 01:08:01,259 --> 01:08:05,436 is that, the man being the kind of man what he was, 903 01:08:05,437 --> 01:08:09,981 he managed, with "Swann in Love" 904 01:08:09,982 --> 01:08:14,981 to paint for us the picture of love 905 01:08:14,982 --> 01:08:17,944 of love in its most normal state 906 01:08:17,979 --> 01:08:20,907 in my opinion, the most exact 907 01:08:20,908 --> 01:08:22,719 the most perfect 908 01:08:22,754 --> 01:08:26,701 we have been given since Benjamin Constant. 909 01:08:26,702 --> 01:08:31,786 when I contradicted him, he carried the contradiction to its utmost 910 01:08:31,787 --> 01:08:34,731 with an analysis which was always very meticulous 911 01:08:34,732 --> 01:08:37,047 he talked mostly like he wrote 912 01:08:37,048 --> 01:08:40,894 with this turning round the subject 913 01:08:40,895 --> 01:08:44,895 until he got tired, and chased me away 914 01:08:44,896 --> 01:08:47,585 then I left 915 01:08:47,586 --> 01:08:50,809 I was quite tired as well, at 3 or 4 a.m. 916 01:08:52,748 --> 01:08:55,325 our relations become envenomed 917 01:08:55,326 --> 01:08:59,744 because at a certain moment 918 01:09:02,586 --> 01:09:08,910 I didn't agree with him any more that all feelings are illusory towards an object 919 01:09:10,178 --> 01:09:14,059 he explained to me that the young girl I was engaged to 920 01:09:14,060 --> 01:09:16,452 the best thing that could happen to me was to discover that she had died 921 01:09:16,453 --> 01:09:18,685 I thought this disagreeable 922 01:09:18,686 --> 01:09:21,866 and he got angry at me 923 01:09:21,867 --> 01:09:25,619 he told me I was a fool 924 01:09:25,620 --> 01:09:29,490 he told me, "you're as much of a fool as L�on Blum" 925 01:09:29,491 --> 01:09:32,319 which meant in his language 926 01:09:32,320 --> 01:09:34,521 "you may well have read some books 927 01:09:34,522 --> 01:09:39,386 "but you fail to see the difference between what's real in life, and what isn't" 928 01:09:39,387 --> 01:09:45,086 and he threw his slippers at my ... he was in his dressing room, I in the bedroom 929 01:09:45,087 --> 01:09:47,108 he threw his slippers at my face 930 01:09:47,109 --> 01:09:50,403 and I left, feeling very angry 931 01:09:52,875 --> 01:09:57,588 evidently, I think he was all the more sensitive about it 932 01:09:57,589 --> 01:10:02,469 that if a communication had been possible between two persons, 933 01:10:02,504 --> 01:10:05,178 he supposed that it was the communication which existed between himself and his mother, 934 01:10:05,213 --> 01:10:07,371 consequently, he felt himself cut to the quick 935 01:10:07,372 --> 01:10:11,461 and precisely, I think he thought me a fool, anyway, he had lots of good reasons to think me a fool 936 01:10:11,462 --> 01:10:13,992 but what he did in order to find me the greatest fool of all 937 01:10:13,993 --> 01:10:17,809 that was the fact that I didn't understand where I had annoyed him 938 01:10:17,844 --> 01:10:20,305 I had understood it by the way, and quite accurately 939 01:10:20,340 --> 01:10:22,411 only, he annoyed me a lot too 940 01:10:22,412 --> 01:10:28,362 so we retreated to general philosophizing 941 01:10:28,363 --> 01:10:31,151 and the court he had been paying me, ended 942 01:10:31,152 --> 01:10:33,855 and my relation to him as well 943 01:10:33,856 --> 01:10:40,210 because otherwise I didn't hold him, he wasn't interested in me at all 944 01:10:40,211 --> 01:10:45,676 he was really only interested in the development of his didactic thought 945 01:10:45,677 --> 01:10:50,104 and when I think about what other persons told me about him 946 01:10:50,105 --> 01:10:56,012 I'm even surprised that he had so much faith 947 01:10:56,013 --> 01:10:59,371 that he was absolutely convinced 948 01:10:59,372 --> 01:11:01,705 that what he thought was the truth 949 01:11:01,706 --> 01:11:04,441 and that one had to adapt one's behaviour to it 950 01:11:04,442 --> 01:11:07,668 that if one didn't take his side in loneliness 951 01:11:07,669 --> 01:11:10,203 one would be incapable to create a work of art 952 01:11:10,204 --> 01:11:12,657 and those who couldn't create a work of art 953 01:11:12,658 --> 01:11:14,639 were just some kind of asses 954 01:11:14,640 --> 01:11:22,193 my first impulse was to believe that he had given his life to an idol 955 01:11:22,194 --> 01:11:23,926 but then I would be wrong 956 01:11:23,927 --> 01:11:27,838 because even from a Christian point of view 957 01:11:27,839 --> 01:11:33,826 I think that a work of such importance as Proust's, 958 01:11:33,827 --> 01:11:37,288 of the significance of Proust's work, 959 01:11:37,289 --> 01:11:40,186 cannot be involuntary, 960 01:11:40,187 --> 01:11:44,408 cannot be anything but a vocation 961 01:11:44,409 --> 01:11:49,322 and besides, even though I met Proust very rarely 962 01:11:49,323 --> 01:11:54,964 but perhaps also in the few letters 963 01:11:54,965 --> 01:11:57,577 I exchanged with him 964 01:11:57,578 --> 01:12:02,044 well, I realized 965 01:12:02,045 --> 01:12:07,489 to what amount Proust had this feeling of vocation 966 01:12:07,490 --> 01:12:10,103 he knew he was giving his life 967 01:12:10,104 --> 01:12:16,166 and he knew he was giving it not to a work of vanity 968 01:12:16,167 --> 01:12:18,688 but to something of importance 969 01:12:18,689 --> 01:12:20,300 for mankind 970 01:12:20,301 --> 01:12:24,030 but now I think one must look beyond it 971 01:12:24,031 --> 01:12:28,879 now Proust must hand in his coat at the cloak-room 972 01:12:28,880 --> 01:12:32,665 his pelisse and his patent leather shoes 973 01:12:32,666 --> 01:12:37,666 and we'll see him in his bed as the end draws near 974 01:12:37,667 --> 01:12:42,196 dressed like the man he is, like an artist, an artisan 975 01:12:42,197 --> 01:12:43,788 like a forced labourer 976 01:12:43,789 --> 01:12:45,889 with his three vests 977 01:12:45,890 --> 01:12:48,119 his smoke fumigations 978 01:12:48,120 --> 01:12:50,990 and his haste to finish his work 979 01:12:52,372 --> 01:12:57,004 since 1913 Mme C�leste Albarret was in Proust's service 980 01:12:57,005 --> 01:13:00,813 did he talk to you about his death a lot, before? 981 01:13:00,814 --> 01:13:05,592 he told me that certainly, death has been pursuing him 982 01:13:05,593 --> 01:13:07,785 and that he wanted to finish his work 983 01:13:07,786 --> 01:13:12,252 and that he would feel very sorry if he had been working that hard 984 01:13:12,253 --> 01:13:14,874 and if he would have to leave all that unfinished. 985 01:13:14,909 --> 01:13:18,726 and one morning, when I came in 986 01:13:18,727 --> 01:13:25,492 he was like a child which had just been through the happiest day, the most perfect happiness, he told me: 987 01:13:25,493 --> 01:13:30,154 "dear C�leste, I have some big news for you 988 01:13:30,155 --> 01:13:32,492 and I asked "what is it?" 989 01:13:33,805 --> 01:13:38,331 "what might have happened of such importance in this room? 990 01:13:38,332 --> 01:13:41,562 "something immense" 991 01:13:41,563 --> 01:13:44,310 "something which is so good 992 01:13:44,311 --> 01:13:46,292 "and what happened?" 993 01:13:46,293 --> 01:13:50,187 and he raised himself, he smiled at me and said: 994 01:13:50,188 --> 01:13:52,140 "I've written the word "the end" 995 01:13:52,141 --> 01:13:55,009 "now I can die" 996 01:13:55,010 --> 01:14:01,740 then I said "at last, all for the better, Monsieur, your desire is fulfilled" 997 01:14:01,741 --> 01:14:05,389 "but think of all the little slips of paper I will still have to glue on" 998 01:14:05,424 --> 01:14:08,901 "and all the corrections you'll still have to write" 999 01:14:08,902 --> 01:14:12,030 "ah that, my dear, that's something else" 1000 01:14:12,031 --> 01:14:18,078 it was my habit to stick together with glue, these �paperies,� as Fran�oise called them, 1001 01:14:18,079 --> 01:14:20,342 and sometimes in this process they became torn. 1002 01:14:20,343 --> 01:14:25,612 And she would say to me, pointing to my shredded note-books as if to a piece of cloth eaten by an insect: 1003 01:14:25,613 --> 01:14:29,529 �Look, it�s all eaten away, isn�t that dreadful! 1004 01:14:29,530 --> 01:14:31,812 "There�s nothing left of this bit of page, it�s been torn to ribbons,� 1005 01:14:31,813 --> 01:14:34,301 and examining it with a tailor�s eye she would go on: 1006 01:14:34,302 --> 01:14:37,608 �I don�t think I shall be able to mend this one, it�s finished and done for. 1007 01:14:37,609 --> 01:14:41,549 "A pity, perhaps those were your most beautiful ideas." 1008 01:14:43,348 --> 01:14:45,544 Marcel Proust was always ill 1009 01:14:45,545 --> 01:14:49,628 but one day, in November 1922 1010 01:14:49,629 --> 01:14:53,102 one day he felt most tired 1011 01:14:53,103 --> 01:14:55,487 and he had caught a bronchitis 1012 01:14:55,488 --> 01:14:58,859 he wanted to get up, he swayed 1013 01:14:58,894 --> 01:15:03,494 and he said "oh my dear C�leste, what'll happen to me 1014 01:15:03,495 --> 01:15:05,952 "if I can't suffice myself 1015 01:15:05,953 --> 01:15:11,011 then I told him, "it doesn't matter, it's all your fault 1016 01:15:11,012 --> 01:15:14,058 "since you won't obey doctors' orders 1017 01:15:14,059 --> 01:15:19,164 "you don't want to drink hot milk, you don't want to have heat 1018 01:15:19,165 --> 01:15:22,479 then I told him "you always want to complicate ... 1019 01:15:22,480 --> 01:15:27,013 and then he told me: "well C�leste, tonight 1020 01:15:27,014 --> 01:15:30,409 "I'll eat a sole, just to do you a favour 1021 01:15:30,410 --> 01:15:36,975 we prepared a nice sole, it was ready, the professor rang at the door 1022 01:15:36,976 --> 01:15:42,434 then I told him "Professor, it seems he's better 1023 01:15:42,435 --> 01:15:45,697 and he asked for a sole, we prepared one for him 1024 01:15:45,698 --> 01:15:52,796 then he told me "listen to me, don't serve it yet, I'll visit him first 1025 01:15:52,797 --> 01:15:55,706 and he came back and he told me "you mustn't give him anything to eat 1026 01:15:55,707 --> 01:15:58,164 "because I think he's quite exhausted 1027 01:15:58,165 --> 01:16:02,396 "but I'm happy because 1028 01:16:02,397 --> 01:16:09,176 "he told me, he promised me, that he would keep you the whole night at his bedside, that he won't be alone 1029 01:16:09,211 --> 01:16:11,958 then I said "very well" 1030 01:16:11,959 --> 01:16:14,955 the two of us worked the whole night through 1031 01:16:14,956 --> 01:16:17,878 he dictated to me 1032 01:16:17,879 --> 01:16:20,321 and he told me at midnight 1033 01:16:20,322 --> 01:16:24,733 "if I live through this night 1034 01:16:24,734 --> 01:16:29,275 "tomorrow, C�leste, I'll prove to the doctors 1035 01:16:29,276 --> 01:16:31,928 "that I am stronger than they are 1036 01:16:31,929 --> 01:16:35,962 "but I must live through this night 1037 01:16:35,963 --> 01:16:41,234 I stayed in the freezing room the whole night, we worked through the night 1038 01:16:41,235 --> 01:16:43,463 and then, at 3 o'clock 1039 01:16:43,464 --> 01:16:45,204 he said to me: 1040 01:16:45,205 --> 01:16:48,886 "I'll write a bit 1041 01:16:48,887 --> 01:16:51,209 "dictating tires me out 1042 01:16:51,210 --> 01:16:54,284 I said "very well" 1043 01:16:54,285 --> 01:16:58,062 then he said "I can't" 1044 01:16:58,063 --> 01:17:00,003 "I can't go on any more" 1045 01:17:00,004 --> 01:17:02,299 "I'm tired" 1046 01:17:02,300 --> 01:17:05,038 "C�leste, don't forget 1047 01:17:05,039 --> 01:17:10,614 "don't forget to place carefully at such a page what I dictated and what I wrote 1048 01:17:10,615 --> 01:17:13,091 then I told him 1049 01:17:13,092 --> 01:17:17,511 - "very well, Monsieur, try to rest, can I do something for you? - "no" 1050 01:17:17,512 --> 01:17:19,725 then he had a choking fit 1051 01:17:19,726 --> 01:17:21,655 he suffocated 1052 01:17:21,656 --> 01:17:25,004 then, the next morning 1053 01:17:25,005 --> 01:17:26,826 he said to me 1054 01:17:26,827 --> 01:17:28,927 it was about 7 o'clock 1055 01:17:28,928 --> 01:17:31,838 he told me, "if there was any coffee with milk 1056 01:17:31,839 --> 01:17:33,944 "all hot and ready 1057 01:17:33,945 --> 01:17:36,209 "I'd take it at once 1058 01:17:36,210 --> 01:17:39,772 "in order to do you and my brother a favour 1059 01:17:39,773 --> 01:17:43,730 I fetched the coffee with milk, I brought it to him at once 1060 01:17:43,731 --> 01:17:46,809 because we constantly had fresh coffee ready 1061 01:17:46,810 --> 01:17:51,866 I asked "do you want me to help you drink it?" 1062 01:17:51,867 --> 01:17:54,014 he took his bowl 1063 01:17:54,015 --> 01:17:57,176 he put it to his lips 1064 01:17:57,177 --> 01:17:58,767 he drank it 1065 01:17:58,768 --> 01:18:00,906 he looked at me and he said: 1066 01:18:06,158 --> 01:18:10,258 "thus I will be doing you and my brother a favour" 1067 01:18:11,218 --> 01:18:13,237 from that moment on 1068 01:18:13,238 --> 01:18:19,555 he started to arrange his odds and bits 1069 01:18:19,556 --> 01:18:23,118 and then I realized that he was in a bad state 1070 01:18:24,792 --> 01:18:30,925 the envelope on which Proust scribbled a few words the day before he died 1071 01:18:30,926 --> 01:18:34,431 and this, written by C�leste, 1072 01:18:34,432 --> 01:18:39,382 the last lines the dictated to her the same night 1073 01:18:39,417 --> 01:18:42,535 and then one day, everything's changed 1074 01:18:42,536 --> 01:18:46,028 what had been detestable for us 1075 01:18:46,029 --> 01:18:48,174 what had always been forbidden to us, 1076 01:18:48,175 --> 01:18:50,104 now it is permitted, 1077 01:18:50,105 --> 01:18:55,133 for instance, I wasn't allowed to drink champagne 1078 01:18:55,134 --> 01:18:58,683 "but perfectly, if this is agreeable to you" 1079 01:18:58,684 --> 01:19:01,505 one can hardly believe one's ears 1080 01:19:01,506 --> 01:19:06,092 one has brands delivered to the house, the brands one always used to shun before 1081 01:19:06,093 --> 01:19:11,315 and this gives an aspect which is a bit vile 1082 01:19:11,316 --> 01:19:15,205 to this incredible frivolity of the dying 1083 01:19:16,966 --> 01:19:21,104 I left the bedroom and I return to the small hall next to it 1084 01:19:21,105 --> 01:19:26,679 in order to find out what he was doing, he said to me: 1085 01:19:28,466 --> 01:19:31,087 he rang for me at once 1086 01:19:31,122 --> 01:19:33,195 he said: "why are you standing in the hall?" 1087 01:19:33,196 --> 01:19:39,292 - I said "but I'm not standing in the hall" - "but I heard you perfectly, come on" 1088 01:19:39,293 --> 01:19:44,431 then I said "I was worried, I wanted to find out if you needed me 1089 01:19:44,432 --> 01:19:46,276 "and I wanted to be near you 1090 01:19:46,277 --> 01:19:48,223 then he said 1091 01:19:48,224 --> 01:19:51,097 "there's this fat woman in the bedroom 1092 01:19:52,408 --> 01:19:54,455 I said "I'll chase her away for you" 1093 01:19:54,456 --> 01:19:57,531 "no, C�leste, don't touch her, she's horrible" 1094 01:19:57,532 --> 01:20:00,683 "she's horrible, she's appalling" 1095 01:20:00,684 --> 01:20:03,706 then I said "does she frighten you?" 1096 01:20:03,707 --> 01:20:05,491 "a bit" 1097 01:20:05,492 --> 01:20:09,867 then I saw that he was really in a bad way 1098 01:20:09,868 --> 01:20:13,174 I asked my husband to call at once for Dr. Bize 1099 01:20:13,175 --> 01:20:19,594 and I called his brother, told him that his brother was feeling very bad, that he should come at once 1100 01:20:19,595 --> 01:20:22,940 then Mme Proust answered 1101 01:20:22,941 --> 01:20:27,365 "he's at Thonon, but I'll phone at once to arrange what's necessary 1102 01:20:27,400 --> 01:20:29,821 and she called me back and said 1103 01:20:29,822 --> 01:20:33,725 "he's just giving his lecture, but he'll come straight away 1104 01:20:33,726 --> 01:20:38,985 Odilon came with Dr. Bize and ... 1105 01:20:38,986 --> 01:20:41,258 when he arrived 1106 01:20:44,086 --> 01:20:50,974 so I said, "Doctor, you must give him an injection, he's so weak and poorly 1107 01:20:50,975 --> 01:20:54,525 then the Doctor told me 1108 01:20:54,526 --> 01:20:57,409 "give him an injection? how so? 1109 01:20:57,410 --> 01:20:59,972 then I said "but he doesn't resist 1110 01:20:59,973 --> 01:21:06,886 "then you must raise the sheets, I'll give him an injection in his thigh 1111 01:21:06,887 --> 01:21:12,909 and when I went up to M. Proust and lifted up his cover 1112 01:21:12,910 --> 01:21:15,022 he took me by the wrist 1113 01:21:15,023 --> 01:21:17,085 pinched it hard 1114 01:21:17,086 --> 01:21:20,812 and he cried "ah, C�leste 1115 01:21:22,960 --> 01:21:26,114 and crying like this, I can still see him 1116 01:21:27,854 --> 01:21:31,958 he meant that I had betrayed him, that I didn't obey what he had told me 1117 01:21:31,993 --> 01:21:36,055 most of all, never to let the doctors give him injections 1118 01:21:36,056 --> 01:21:40,352 because the doctors had the habit 1119 01:21:40,353 --> 01:21:44,711 to make a dying man suffer more by giving him injections 1120 01:21:44,712 --> 01:21:47,243 prolonging his life with serums 1121 01:21:47,244 --> 01:21:50,897 that they torment him to make him live longer 1122 01:21:50,898 --> 01:21:54,471 for half an hour, a quarter of an hour 1123 01:21:54,472 --> 01:21:57,418 for an hour, and that it was horrible 1124 01:21:57,419 --> 01:22:00,037 he didn't tell me not to let them do it to him 1125 01:22:00,038 --> 01:22:03,686 nor not to let them do it, but he told me "most of all, C�leste" 1126 01:22:03,687 --> 01:22:08,189 since I did it without asking his permission 1127 01:22:08,190 --> 01:22:11,620 he put me down by this cry "ah, C�leste" 1128 01:22:11,621 --> 01:22:13,509 and he pinched my wrist 1129 01:22:13,510 --> 01:22:15,960 then I said to Prof. Proust 1130 01:22:15,961 --> 01:22:19,962 because Prof. Proust came after Dr. Bize's visit 1131 01:22:19,963 --> 01:22:22,740 I said, "well, M. le Professeur 1132 01:22:22,741 --> 01:22:25,206 I did something I shouldn't have done 1133 01:22:25,207 --> 01:22:29,958 "No you haven't, my dear C�leste, you did everything for him" 1134 01:22:29,959 --> 01:22:32,912 "unfortunately we did everything too late" 1135 01:22:32,913 --> 01:22:38,187 "but what can one do, my brother would certainly have lived longer 1136 01:22:38,188 --> 01:22:42,721 but he led a life which was only devoted to his work 1137 01:22:42,722 --> 01:22:46,189 and if we had wanted to make him live differently 1138 01:22:46,190 --> 01:22:49,744 he wouldn't have written his work, he only lived for his work 1139 01:22:49,745 --> 01:22:53,849 then ... 1140 01:22:53,850 --> 01:23:01,203 Dr. Bize left, but Dr. Proust stayed and never left him 1141 01:23:01,204 --> 01:23:07,855 and he called a famous physician who had treated his mother 1142 01:23:07,856 --> 01:23:11,730 the Dr. Landowski 1143 01:23:11,765 --> 01:23:15,604 and who told him 1144 01:23:15,605 --> 01:23:21,276 "well, what do you think, shall we give him another injection?" 1145 01:23:21,277 --> 01:23:25,413 then he answered "come on, Robert 1146 01:23:25,414 --> 01:23:27,188 "let him be 1147 01:23:27,189 --> 01:23:30,688 "let's not make him suffer anymore 1148 01:23:32,239 --> 01:23:36,048 and I accompanied Dr. Landowski to the door and I said to him 1149 01:23:36,049 --> 01:23:40,734 "you're going to save him, Doctor?" 1150 01:23:40,769 --> 01:23:42,322 he took both my hands 1151 01:23:44,879 --> 01:23:46,242 and he told me 1152 01:23:46,243 --> 01:23:48,234 "have courage 1153 01:23:48,235 --> 01:23:50,362 "but it's over 1154 01:23:50,363 --> 01:23:53,688 I went back to Prof. Proust 1155 01:23:53,689 --> 01:23:57,237 it was only one second 1156 01:23:57,238 --> 01:23:59,943 and we were both near him 1157 01:23:59,944 --> 01:24:02,869 he said to him, lifting him up a bit 1158 01:24:02,870 --> 01:24:04,647 because he had trouble breathing 1159 01:24:04,648 --> 01:24:07,593 "do I make you suffer, my dear little Marcel?" 1160 01:24:07,594 --> 01:24:09,512 and he answered 1161 01:24:09,513 --> 01:24:13,105 "oh yes, my little Robert" 1162 01:24:13,106 --> 01:24:17,887 and two or three minutes later he closed his brother's eyelids with his hand 1163 01:24:17,888 --> 01:24:25,773 I hadn't noticed that he had died, he died with his eyes open, admirable eyes, tranquil 1164 01:24:25,774 --> 01:24:29,682 and it was like a light where there was nothing left 1165 01:24:31,592 --> 01:24:35,193 Proust wrote the word "the end" 1166 01:24:35,194 --> 01:24:37,354 at the bottom of his work 1167 01:24:37,355 --> 01:24:39,409 and he died 1168 01:24:41,465 --> 01:24:44,950 I went to see him on his death bed 1169 01:24:44,951 --> 01:24:46,672 rue Hamelin 1170 01:24:46,673 --> 01:24:54,514 a man who really gave the impression of being stripped bare of everything 1171 01:24:54,515 --> 01:24:59,495 one could say that those were the remains 1172 01:24:59,496 --> 01:25:06,398 of somebody who has allowed his work to devour him 1173 01:25:06,399 --> 01:25:08,580 day after day 1174 01:25:08,581 --> 01:25:15,790 his funeral was a Parisian event 1175 01:25:15,791 --> 01:25:24,408 and it was at the same time a discovery for Proust's superiors 1176 01:25:24,409 --> 01:25:27,482 I can still see Barr�s 1177 01:25:27,483 --> 01:25:30,578 who looked at that crowd of young people 1178 01:25:30,579 --> 01:25:34,450 who pressed themselves around the church 1179 01:25:34,451 --> 01:25:39,408 and he didn't conceal from me his astonishment 1180 01:25:39,443 --> 01:25:45,739 but Marcel Proust, he was our young man 1181 01:26:01,719 --> 01:26:05,687 a program by Roger St�phane 1182 01:26:08,351 --> 01:26:10,612 with the participation of Roland Darbois 1183 01:26:37,507 --> 01:26:39,217 texts read by Jean Negroni 1184 01:26:39,252 --> 01:26:41,444 cinematography: Roger Dormoy 1185 01:26:43,559 --> 01:26:46,156 script Yolande Maurette 1186 01:26:46,157 --> 01:26:51,031 editor: Pierre Alaux 1187 01:26:54,701 --> 01:27:00,303 directed by G�rard Herzog 1188 01:27:06,740 --> 01:27:08,865 Engl. subtitles: serdar202@KG 112061

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