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Okay.
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I know you've been reluctant
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to speak on camera about
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your relationship
with Michael until now.
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So thank you.
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Of course.
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How long have you been together?
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Hm... 12 years.
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Right after the trial ended.
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How did you meet?
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Well...
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Hm...
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C-Can we start with
something else?
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Okay, let's start with today.
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Do you think today is proof
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that the justice system works?
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It's hard to say.
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What is justice?
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I've said from day one
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that it can only be one thing.
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This is Sonya
Pfeiffer for ABC 11 News.
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It's been a long and winding
journey, but we're here.
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Day one of
the Michael Peterson trial.
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A year and a...
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A trial's simply two sides
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competing to tell
a better story.
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We're gonna contend to you
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that after a vicious argument
with his wife,
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Michael Peterson
murdered Kathleen
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in cold blood,
beating her in the head...
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with this.
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And where is this
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elusive murder weapon?
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They can't find it
because it doesn't exist.
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The fact of the matter is,
Kathleen had some wine,
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some champagne, and some Valium
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and fell.
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And 12 jurors declare
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one of the stories the winne.
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And that story becomes justice.
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And what sort of
sexual activities
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would you perform for men
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that you might
have been prepared
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to perform
with Michael Peterson?
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I mean, pretty much
anything under the sun.
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I mean, pretty much
anything under the sun.
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Is it fair to say
the men you serviced
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were bisexual as opposed
to being homosexual?
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I'd go so far
as to say that they were
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mostly straight married guys
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with some minor
homosexual tendencies.
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Can you identify state's
exhibit 72 for me, please?
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Yes, that is my...
blow poke.
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You blow through it.
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And you gave one
of these blow pokes
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to every member of your family?
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Yes.
For Christmas of 1984.
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Including Kathleen?
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Yes. She was not only
my older sister,
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but she was my best friend.
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You did state to police
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the only relationship you saw
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between Michael and Kathleen
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"was a " truly loving,
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respectful marriage."
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Right?
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That was an old version of me.
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The new informed me,
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the me sitting here
in this courtroom,
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can confidently say
that I have no idea
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who the hell
Michael Peterson was then
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or is now.
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Does that clear it up for yo?
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Justice is a, is a construct
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little more than a game,
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a game that shapes
the outcome of a man's life.
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As for what's happening today,
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this feels bigger than justice.
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I would say, um, it's fate.
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You've got cast-off
outside the header
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and on the west wall
of the hallway.
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How could that happen?
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The assailant was standing
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on the outside of the stairwell,
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swingin' the weapon...
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and creating this
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blood cast-off pattern.
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So to be clear, in your opinion,
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this had to have been a beating?
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That's correct.
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The impact spatter
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on the inside
of the defendant's shorts
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simply does not occur
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unless he's standing
over her as he strikes.
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And that's consistent
with crime scenes
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you've overseen in the past?
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This is extremely consistent.
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And why should we trust you?
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Well, sir, I've written
over 200 bloodstain reports
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and overseen... 500 scenes.
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That guy looks like a penis.
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No further
questions, Your Honor.
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You may be dismissed.
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- Let's take a 10-minute recess.
- Todd Peterson: Jesus.
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It looks bad on TV, dude.
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What do I keep telling you?
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Do not watch that shit.
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Yeah, but the commentators
are saying...
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Hey, listen to what I am saying.
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I am sitting here
where it's real.
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We gotta get going.
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Things are going great.
Okay?
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When Radisch takes the stand,
things are gonna go our way.
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Yeah, look, I... I just really
feel like I should be there.
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Clay, hold on.
Hold on one second.
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Alright.
I'm headed back to Reno.
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I'll see you in
a week and a half.
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Todd!
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Todd.
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So... tomorrow is huge.
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They're going big,
showing these autopsy photos.
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So we really need
everyone there.
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Arm-in-arm. United front.
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I can't go. I'm sorry. I can't.
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Okay, I hear that. I do.
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And no one's going to force you.
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Of course,
you're going to force me.
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That's what
this meeting is about.
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I mean,
would anyone really notice
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if she wasn't there?
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Um, I mean, maybe
10, 15 years ago, no.
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But, you know, now there's...
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cameras everywhere.
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Everyone sees everything.
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So...
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if you're absent
and Caitlin is there...
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Optics aren't great.
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I mean, Clayton's
been asking to come home.
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- You know, maybe he should...
- No, no, no.
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No, not for this.
Just keep pushing him off.
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Okay.
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Well, maybe Martha could take
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one of Kathleen's Valium,
you know.
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- Or just a half.
- Martha: No. No! I'm not going to go.
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I'm not going. I'm not going
to sit there and watch.
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I'm not going to do it.
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I'm sorry, I'm not.
I'm not going.
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I'm not going.
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State your name and profession
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for the court, please.
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My name is
Dr. Deborah L. Radisch.
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I'm a forensic pathologist
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and the associate
chief medical examiner
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for the state of North Carolina.
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And you performed the autopsy
on Kathleen Peterson?
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That is correct.
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If it pleases the court,
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I'd like to display
exhibit 79a and 79b,
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in a large format
for easy viewing.
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These images are... graphic.
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Proceed.
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I think I'm going
to have a panic attack.
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Yeah...
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- Can't we object?
- Shh.
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- David, stop her...
- Not now.
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Dr. Radisch,
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you ruled Kathleen's death
a homicide.
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I did.
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From blunt force trauma
to the head.
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You think
the fractured cartilage
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in Kathleen's thyroid indicates
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that a strangulation attempt
is merely possible?
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It's more than possible.
It's probable.
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But your report said
it was only,
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what, suggestive of
a strangulation attempt?
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I would say it was
highly, highly likely
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an attempt
at strangulation was made.
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But can you say that
with a reasonable degree
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of medical certainty?
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Yes. Yes, I can.
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Okay. Then would you say
with a reasonable degree
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of medical certainty that
Kathleen Peterson was killed
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by blunt force trauma
to the head?
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Yes.
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- Okay. May I approach?
- Yes.
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I just want to put
these binders up here.
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- Ms. Radisch.
- Dr. Radisch.
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Forgive me, Dr. Radisch.
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Um, I want you to tell me
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if, um, these appear
to be a collection
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of all the autopsies
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involving blunt force trauma
to the head in North Carolina
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from 1991 to 2003.
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Objection.
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Overruled.
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She may respond
however she'd like.
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I don't think I can give you
an accurate answer to that.
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- Not today.
- Alright.
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Alright. Well, we went back
at least a decade
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and pulled the case files
for every beating death
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in the state of North Carolina.
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Two hundred fifty-seven,
to be precise,
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and found that in every case,
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whether the object was hollow
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or hard
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or thin or heavy,
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every single time,
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the beating resulted
in either a skull fracture
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or massive injury to the brain.
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In many cases, it was both.
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Are you aware of this?
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No. Because like I said,
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I haven't had a chance
to review these...
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Alright.
Well, let's, let's just assume
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for right now that it's true...
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which it is.
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Kathleen Peterson didn't have
any skull fracture, did she?
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She didn't, but she
did have a multitude...
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- Doctor... -...of facial
injuries and broken cartilage.
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These... These are
yes-or-no questions, Doctor.
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Was there skull fracturing?
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No, there wasn't.
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She also didn't
have any broken bones.
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- No.
- Or contusions on the brain.
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No, she did not.
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Or edema, did she?
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No.
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Given that
some combination of these
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was found in literally
every one of these cases...
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is it possible in order
to reach the conclusion
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that Kathleen Peterson's
death was...
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a homicide...
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that you were coached by the DA?
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Objection.
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Withdrawn.
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Nothing further, Your Honor.
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You may be dismissed.
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Did I ever tell you about the
first time I heard classical music?
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My parents and I were,
uh, we're driving back
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from a Little League game
and, um...
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I was upset about something.
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I guess we must have lost.
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And, uh...
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we were listening
to, uh, to Armed Forces Radio,
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which was, you know,
it was the only,
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only station we could get
growing up near Dad's base.
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And as we were pulling up
to the house,
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a sweet little place,
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this came on.
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Mahler's Fifth.
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First Movement.
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My dad went to turn it off,
and I grabbed his hand.
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I said, "Stop. No."
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It was the most fabulous thing
I'd ever heard.
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Now, Dad didn't listen.
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He just flipped it off,
went inside.
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He never liked to be
too far from his bourbon.
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But my dear mother,
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she turned the radio back on,
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and she stayed
in the car with me.
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And we listened.
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And the music...
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washed over me.
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Just... it overwhelmed me.
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And I was...
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hooked.
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Just so much emotion,
268
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so much drama, so much truth.
269
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All without saying
a single word.
270
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David won't let me talk,
so I take it out on you.
271
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I don't know how
you're gonna get all my
272
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rambling into one film.
273
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Our editor is suggesting
we make it longer, actually.
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TV series.
Maybe six or eight episodes.
275
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Really?
276
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Oh. This is the part.
277
00:15:28,302 --> 00:15:29,988
The facts
of the case suggest truth
278
00:15:30,012 --> 00:15:31,764
is indeed stranger than fiction.
279
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A second woman,
Elizabeth Ratliff,
280
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mother to Martha
and Margaret Ratliff,
281
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was found dead
at the bottom of the stairs
282
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20 years ago in Germany.
283
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The coffin will leave
its Texan home
284
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and begin a 1,200-mile journey
285
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across middle America
to North Carolina,
286
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where an autopsy
will be performed
287
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by medical examiner
Deborah L. Radisch.
288
00:15:53,285 --> 00:15:54,685
Do you believe in objectivity?
289
00:15:55,579 --> 00:15:56,955
No.
290
00:15:57,039 --> 00:15:59,375
The only way to get close
to objectivity
291
00:15:59,458 --> 00:16:01,835
is by recognizing
how subjective we are.
292
00:16:01,919 --> 00:16:05,381
We see the world based
on our past experiences.
293
00:16:05,464 --> 00:16:08,676
And I think the only way
to get close to objectivity
294
00:16:08,759 --> 00:16:10,219
is to realize it doesn't exist.
295
00:16:28,654 --> 00:16:31,448
Doesn't look good, Mike.
296
00:16:39,123 --> 00:16:41,291
Ron Guerette: Both at
the bottom of the stairs,
297
00:16:41,375 --> 00:16:43,210
both have seven lacerations.
298
00:16:43,293 --> 00:16:44,293
Peterson...
299
00:16:44,461 --> 00:16:46,714
Ratliff.
300
00:16:46,797 --> 00:16:48,465
They look nothing alike.
301
00:16:48,549 --> 00:16:51,135
And they're saying
that the brain was clean.
302
00:16:51,218 --> 00:16:52,469
No signs of an aneurysm.
303
00:16:53,512 --> 00:16:54,930
In what fucking universe
304
00:16:55,013 --> 00:16:56,253
can they assign the same person
305
00:16:56,306 --> 00:16:58,267
that did Kathleen's autopsy
to do Liz's?
306
00:16:59,184 --> 00:17:00,602
It's a conflict of interest.
307
00:17:04,022 --> 00:17:04,648
Why didn't you stop this?
308
00:17:04,732 --> 00:17:07,484
You went too hard at her, Dave.
309
00:17:09,486 --> 00:17:10,988
Radisch?
310
00:17:11,071 --> 00:17:12,322
Oh, I'm sorry,
311
00:17:12,406 --> 00:17:14,199
was I supposed
to take it easy on her?
312
00:17:23,917 --> 00:17:26,086
What does this mean?
313
00:17:26,170 --> 00:17:28,338
Like, really mean?
Like, no spin, no bullshit.
314
00:17:28,422 --> 00:17:29,782
What, what can Hardin
do with this?
315
00:17:29,840 --> 00:17:31,633
They're going to call
more witnesses.
316
00:17:31,717 --> 00:17:34,511
People from Germany
who were there,
317
00:17:34,595 --> 00:17:36,513
- who remember it.
- Remember what?
318
00:17:36,597 --> 00:17:39,600
It was 25 years ago,
and nothing happened.
319
00:17:40,851 --> 00:17:43,145
The Germans said
there was an aneurysm.
320
00:17:43,228 --> 00:17:44,021
You know,
there wasn't even any blood.
321
00:17:44,104 --> 00:17:47,232
Well, there was
some blood, Michael.
322
00:17:52,112 --> 00:17:53,465
Bill Peterson:
So, what's the strategy?
323
00:17:53,489 --> 00:17:57,743
We keep appealing
to common sense.
324
00:17:57,826 --> 00:18:00,913
This is a strange coincidence,
nothing more.
325
00:18:00,996 --> 00:18:05,626
There is no such thing
as a staircase killer
326
00:18:05,709 --> 00:18:07,920
who emerges every 20 years
327
00:18:08,003 --> 00:18:10,464
to hurl his victims
down the steps.
328
00:18:10,547 --> 00:18:11,840
Okay.
329
00:18:11,924 --> 00:18:14,524
- Caitlin, are you going to be the best dancer...
- I'm gonna try.
330
00:18:14,551 --> 00:18:17,471
- Yeah. We need help.
- I'm getting this.
331
00:18:17,554 --> 00:18:19,194
- I'll show you.
- Caitlin Peterson: Okay.
332
00:18:19,556 --> 00:18:20,641
One, two...
333
00:18:20,724 --> 00:18:22,810
- I always...
- No!
334
00:18:22,893 --> 00:18:25,187
We'll try again, we'll try
again, we'll try again.
335
00:18:32,736 --> 00:18:34,488
What are you doing here?
336
00:18:34,571 --> 00:18:36,907
Well, so the DA's
whole case revolves
337
00:18:36,990 --> 00:18:40,786
around proving
that Dad beat Mom...
338
00:18:40,869 --> 00:18:42,496
uh, Kathleen,
with the blow poke.
339
00:18:42,579 --> 00:18:45,666
So what I'm doing
340
00:18:45,749 --> 00:18:47,543
is I'm looking through
all these videos
341
00:18:47,626 --> 00:18:49,878
to prove that
it's been missing for a while.
342
00:18:50,420 --> 00:18:51,129
And has it?
343
00:18:51,213 --> 00:18:53,507
Mostly. It doesn't seem
to be there.
344
00:18:55,676 --> 00:18:59,179
Is this project related
to the second autopsy finding?
345
00:19:03,100 --> 00:19:04,810
It's...
346
00:19:04,893 --> 00:19:06,693
it's my fault, you know,
I could have said no.
347
00:19:08,438 --> 00:19:09,439
Right?
348
00:19:16,238 --> 00:19:18,866
Caitlin. Hi!
349
00:19:18,949 --> 00:19:20,549
- Hello.
- All: Merry Christmas.
350
00:19:29,126 --> 00:19:30,544
That's all you're getting.
351
00:19:34,131 --> 00:19:35,591
It looks delicious.
352
00:19:35,674 --> 00:19:37,593
All right...
353
00:19:37,676 --> 00:19:38,676
Merry Christmas.
354
00:19:46,977 --> 00:19:48,979
You didn't remember
to pick up my suit, did you?
355
00:19:49,062 --> 00:19:50,480
I have that town hall debate.
356
00:19:50,981 --> 00:19:52,900
It's at the VA.
357
00:19:54,818 --> 00:19:55,818
In your closet.
358
00:19:57,654 --> 00:19:59,132
The plumber is coming
to fix the pipes
359
00:19:59,156 --> 00:20:00,466
but we need to do
something about the bats
360
00:20:00,490 --> 00:20:00,908
or else it'll happen again.
361
00:20:00,991 --> 00:20:03,160
We will. We will.
362
00:20:04,077 --> 00:20:07,331
- How's the neck?
- Oh, much better.
363
00:20:07,414 --> 00:20:08,415
Except when it hurts.
364
00:20:11,710 --> 00:20:13,921
As he continues
to make gains in Afghanistan
365
00:20:14,004 --> 00:20:16,506
with the help of British forces.
366
00:20:16,590 --> 00:20:18,717
Bush continues
to assure the world
367
00:20:18,800 --> 00:20:20,510
that this war
is a war on terrorism...
368
00:20:20,594 --> 00:20:22,930
not on Afghanistan itself.
369
00:20:23,013 --> 00:20:24,723
Al Qaeda is to blame...
370
00:20:24,806 --> 00:20:27,142
Oh...
371
00:20:28,518 --> 00:20:29,518
Ohh!
372
00:20:43,867 --> 00:20:46,286
I feel like you're mad at me.
373
00:20:49,289 --> 00:20:51,583
I'm upset, yeah,
because you were late.
374
00:20:52,876 --> 00:20:54,962
Well, I'm sorry.
I was, um, studying.
375
00:20:55,045 --> 00:20:56,922
I mean late again.
You're always late. So...
376
00:20:57,923 --> 00:21:00,676
Alright. Well, I just said
I was sorry, so...
377
00:21:00,759 --> 00:21:03,845
Well you're always sorry, but
nothing ever seems to change.
378
00:21:05,222 --> 00:21:06,306
Okay.
379
00:21:08,058 --> 00:21:10,098
Um, what's going on here?
Where is this coming from?
380
00:21:13,063 --> 00:21:16,149
Not everyone gets
a second chance
381
00:21:16,233 --> 00:21:16,900
- in life, Clayton.
- Oh, okay.
382
00:21:16,984 --> 00:21:19,486
- But you did.
- Yeah. Okay.
383
00:21:19,569 --> 00:21:21,822
And you seem determined
to screw it right up.
384
00:21:21,905 --> 00:21:22,924
Look, I did my time, alright?
385
00:21:22,948 --> 00:21:25,659
I don't give a shit
about spring break, Clayton!
386
00:21:25,742 --> 00:21:27,703
Jesus.
387
00:21:27,786 --> 00:21:30,288
I'm still pissed
about what happened in July.
388
00:21:30,372 --> 00:21:32,124
- Okay?
- Wait. For real?
389
00:21:32,207 --> 00:21:33,917
Yeah, for real!
390
00:21:34,001 --> 00:21:35,919
It was a big deal.
391
00:21:36,003 --> 00:21:37,763
And you really don't seem
to understand that.
392
00:21:37,796 --> 00:21:38,898
If Becky is completely over it,
393
00:21:38,922 --> 00:21:41,133
why do you get to hold
some kind of a grudge about it?
394
00:21:41,216 --> 00:21:42,926
- That's total bullshit!
- Okay. Alright.
395
00:21:43,010 --> 00:21:43,844
- You know what?
- You're treating me like I'm,
396
00:21:43,927 --> 00:21:44,678
like I'm some kind of
a fucking child.
397
00:21:44,761 --> 00:21:46,471
You're right.
398
00:21:46,555 --> 00:21:48,015
You're a totally responsible,
399
00:21:48,098 --> 00:21:49,516
fully formed adult.
400
00:21:49,599 --> 00:21:50,392
So... yeah,
401
00:21:50,475 --> 00:21:53,687
let's just listen
to the radio in silence
402
00:21:53,770 --> 00:21:54,872
while I drive you to school.
403
00:21:54,896 --> 00:21:56,332
You know what, Kathleen,
you go around acting like
404
00:21:56,356 --> 00:21:59,067
you're so morally superior
to everyone.
405
00:21:59,151 --> 00:22:01,653
You've never copped to the fact
that you started fucking my dad
406
00:22:01,737 --> 00:22:03,363
when he was still married
to my mom.
407
00:22:07,159 --> 00:22:08,159
What, I...
408
00:22:09,995 --> 00:22:11,288
Who told you that?
409
00:22:11,371 --> 00:22:12,789
We all know.
410
00:22:12,873 --> 00:22:13,933
We just don't rub
your face in it.
411
00:22:13,957 --> 00:22:15,417
You're a fucking hypocrite.
412
00:22:22,215 --> 00:22:23,717
You mind your temper, Clayton.
413
00:22:25,802 --> 00:22:27,442
North Carolina's
medical examiner
414
00:22:27,471 --> 00:22:30,807
has released new information
on Elizabeth Ratliff.
415
00:22:30,891 --> 00:22:32,601
And in a shocking turn
of events,
416
00:22:32,684 --> 00:22:36,730
the autopsy reveals
a second staircase murder.
417
00:22:36,813 --> 00:22:39,107
The prosecution
announced this morning
418
00:22:39,191 --> 00:22:39,858
they'll be flying in
a key witness
419
00:22:39,941 --> 00:22:43,070
from Germany, Agnes Schafer,
420
00:22:43,153 --> 00:22:45,447
nanny to Martha and Margaret,
421
00:22:45,530 --> 00:22:47,908
Ratliff's biological daughters.
422
00:22:47,991 --> 00:22:51,119
I got there at
7:30 in the morning like always.
423
00:22:51,203 --> 00:22:53,914
And it was
the first thing I saw,
424
00:22:53,997 --> 00:22:55,332
Liz just lying there
like a doll.
425
00:22:57,000 --> 00:22:59,628
Was there blood?
426
00:22:59,711 --> 00:23:01,755
Oh yes. Everywhere.
427
00:23:01,838 --> 00:23:04,591
The floor.
The walls. The stairs.
428
00:23:04,674 --> 00:23:07,177
Blood everywhere.
429
00:23:07,260 --> 00:23:09,221
What did you do next?
430
00:23:09,304 --> 00:23:11,556
Well, my first concern
431
00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:13,266
was for Martha-Baby
and Little Gee-Gee.
432
00:23:13,350 --> 00:23:15,310
I loved these
little girls so much.
433
00:23:17,229 --> 00:23:20,273
I... I went upstairs
and got them.
434
00:23:20,357 --> 00:23:22,943
- And then what?
- I made sure they were okay.
435
00:23:24,194 --> 00:23:25,834
And then I went
to the toilet and vomited.
436
00:23:29,199 --> 00:23:30,575
Ease up.
437
00:23:30,659 --> 00:23:31,535
And after that?
438
00:23:31,618 --> 00:23:34,704
I went and got
Michael next door.
439
00:23:34,788 --> 00:23:36,289
He came in, took a look around,
440
00:23:36,373 --> 00:23:41,086
and said that Liz
had a brain aneurysm
441
00:23:41,169 --> 00:23:44,256
and that she must have fallen
down the stairs from that.
442
00:23:44,339 --> 00:23:47,384
And had anyone with
any medical authority arrived
443
00:23:47,467 --> 00:23:50,095
who could verify
this guess of his?
444
00:23:50,178 --> 00:23:54,432
No. Michael sort of
proclaimed it.
445
00:23:54,516 --> 00:23:56,309
And... and then it was true.
446
00:23:56,393 --> 00:23:58,979
That's when I started
getting a feeling.
447
00:23:59,062 --> 00:24:01,982
What sort of feeling?
448
00:24:02,065 --> 00:24:03,942
That Michael had done
something horrible.
449
00:24:04,025 --> 00:24:06,319
Objection. Speculation.
450
00:24:06,403 --> 00:24:07,988
Sustained.
451
00:24:08,071 --> 00:24:10,031
Ms. Schafer,
452
00:24:10,115 --> 00:24:11,384
in your statement
to German police,
453
00:24:11,408 --> 00:24:13,869
you never mentioned
the blood or the vomit
454
00:24:13,952 --> 00:24:17,581
or any suspicions at all
455
00:24:17,664 --> 00:24:19,058
against Michael Peterson.
Why is that?
456
00:24:19,082 --> 00:24:21,751
I'm not sure I understand.
457
00:24:21,835 --> 00:24:23,729
Well, if you didn't
mention anything at the time
458
00:24:23,753 --> 00:24:27,174
and there are no photographs
to corroborate,
459
00:24:27,257 --> 00:24:28,049
I'm just wondering
how you could be sure
460
00:24:28,133 --> 00:24:30,093
any of this happened at all.
461
00:24:30,177 --> 00:24:32,596
Agnes:
Well, that's easy.
462
00:24:32,679 --> 00:24:35,515
When I saw the reports
about Kathleen,
463
00:24:35,599 --> 00:24:39,311
Liz's death started coming
back to me in flashbacks.
464
00:24:39,394 --> 00:24:41,605
Right, and... I'm sorry.
465
00:24:41,688 --> 00:24:43,982
You've been having flashbacks?
466
00:24:44,065 --> 00:24:45,065
Yes.
467
00:24:46,985 --> 00:24:49,154
They come in short scenes,
they're very vivid.
468
00:24:52,407 --> 00:24:54,201
Um...
469
00:24:54,284 --> 00:24:55,428
Just to be clear,
you-you're referring
470
00:24:55,452 --> 00:24:59,831
to these mental images
as... flashbacks
471
00:24:59,915 --> 00:25:02,167
and not actual memories.
472
00:25:02,250 --> 00:25:03,168
Yes.
473
00:25:03,251 --> 00:25:05,045
Hmm. Isn't it also true
474
00:25:05,128 --> 00:25:06,755
that you remained employed
475
00:25:06,838 --> 00:25:09,716
by Michael Peterson
for the period of a year
476
00:25:09,799 --> 00:25:12,260
following the event?
477
00:25:12,344 --> 00:25:14,614
Isn't that a questionable thing to
do if you thought he was a murderer?
478
00:25:14,638 --> 00:25:16,598
But that's why I did it.
479
00:25:16,681 --> 00:25:18,058
I wanted to keep an eye on them.
480
00:25:18,141 --> 00:25:21,895
Michael was very strict
with the boys.
481
00:25:21,978 --> 00:25:24,522
- Alright, well, let's stay on topic.
- I am.
482
00:25:24,606 --> 00:25:27,359
I stayed because I didn't want
the same for the girls.
483
00:25:27,442 --> 00:25:29,778
- Objection, Your Honor.
- I failed.
484
00:25:29,861 --> 00:25:31,988
I should have
protected you, Martha-Baby.
485
00:25:32,072 --> 00:25:33,507
I should have
protected you from him.
486
00:25:33,531 --> 00:25:34,851
Your Honor, move to strike.
487
00:25:36,409 --> 00:25:38,536
Get to the car.
488
00:25:41,206 --> 00:25:43,583
Mr. Peterson, did you beat
your baby daughter in Germany?
489
00:25:43,667 --> 00:25:46,253
Mr. Peterson,
just one question. Tell us...
490
00:25:48,505 --> 00:25:50,340
- Martha!
- Jesus Christ, Martha.
491
00:25:51,967 --> 00:25:54,094
Martha.
492
00:25:54,177 --> 00:25:55,428
Hey. Are you okay?
493
00:25:57,806 --> 00:26:00,141
- Come on! What the fuck, Martha!
- Martha.
494
00:26:00,225 --> 00:26:01,768
Martha.
Martha, knock it off. Todd!
495
00:26:01,851 --> 00:26:03,061
I'm trying, okay.
496
00:26:03,144 --> 00:26:04,437
Open the door, dammit.
497
00:26:04,521 --> 00:26:06,773
- What was Agnes talking about?
- Open up!
498
00:26:06,856 --> 00:26:07,357
What was she going to say?
499
00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:09,317
How do I know?
500
00:26:09,401 --> 00:26:10,503
She's a broken woman
who wants her 15 minutes.
501
00:26:10,527 --> 00:26:13,738
She told me the truth.
She said that she loved us.
502
00:26:13,822 --> 00:26:16,032
For Christ's sake.
Now is not the time.
503
00:26:16,116 --> 00:26:16,783
Martha!
504
00:26:16,866 --> 00:26:18,368
Just answer the question.
Please.
505
00:26:18,451 --> 00:26:20,704
I'm telling you,
she's full of crap.
506
00:26:20,787 --> 00:26:22,580
Then why do I feel like this?
507
00:26:22,664 --> 00:26:23,664
Michael!
508
00:26:25,875 --> 00:26:27,228
- Martha.
- Because they want you to.
509
00:26:27,252 --> 00:26:28,962
Now open the goddamn door.
510
00:26:29,045 --> 00:26:31,214
Martha.
511
00:26:31,298 --> 00:26:32,841
- Michael!
- Dad.
512
00:26:32,924 --> 00:26:34,467
- Only one question.
- Now!
513
00:26:34,551 --> 00:26:36,195
Mr. Peterson.
Mr. Peterson, one question.
514
00:26:36,219 --> 00:26:37,554
Mr. Peterson.
515
00:26:39,639 --> 00:26:41,141
Mr. Peterson, one question.
516
00:26:41,224 --> 00:26:42,517
Damn it, Martha!
517
00:26:46,521 --> 00:26:48,231
Come on. Hurry, Todd.
518
00:26:48,315 --> 00:26:50,275
Mr. Peterson!
519
00:26:53,069 --> 00:26:55,530
Now about subjectivity,
520
00:26:55,613 --> 00:26:58,575
how can we relate to stories
that threaten our own?
521
00:27:00,618 --> 00:27:03,872
Some of us go toward the threat.
522
00:27:03,955 --> 00:27:06,374
We search and question and dig.
523
00:27:10,503 --> 00:27:14,215
And some of us rationalize.
524
00:27:15,467 --> 00:27:19,304
Try to force the stories
to fit together.
525
00:27:32,650 --> 00:27:33,443
Some of us simply don't engae
526
00:27:33,526 --> 00:27:36,571
and bury the thread deep inside.
527
00:27:41,284 --> 00:27:42,284
And some of us...
528
00:27:44,037 --> 00:27:46,247
seem not to be
threatened at all.
529
00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:57,342
So we open Mike's defense
with the jury walk-through.
530
00:27:57,425 --> 00:28:02,055
Now this provides the context
for all the experts,
531
00:28:02,138 --> 00:28:03,556
all the science,
532
00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:06,559
and says we, the defense,
533
00:28:06,643 --> 00:28:08,436
are going to invite them in.
534
00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:09,229
Why wouldn't we? Alright.
535
00:28:09,312 --> 00:28:13,024
The staircase is an open book,
536
00:28:13,108 --> 00:28:14,484
and so are we
537
00:28:14,567 --> 00:28:18,154
because we have nothing to hide.
538
00:28:18,238 --> 00:28:20,073
David, I'm not sure
it's a good idea.
539
00:28:20,156 --> 00:28:23,410
Hey, look who I found
creeping outside.
540
00:28:23,493 --> 00:28:25,703
- Oh my god!
- How you doing, Clay?
541
00:28:25,787 --> 00:28:26,787
Patty: Clay.
542
00:28:27,580 --> 00:28:29,624
- Martha: Clay!
- Oh, hey.
543
00:28:29,707 --> 00:28:31,459
Hey, guys. Hey, Mom.
544
00:28:34,337 --> 00:28:36,589
Hey, Clay. What's up, man?
545
00:28:36,673 --> 00:28:38,466
Uh, yeah, nothing much.
I just, uh...
546
00:28:38,550 --> 00:28:41,678
How-how long
are you in town for?
547
00:28:41,761 --> 00:28:43,263
Uh, I took a couple weeks off.
548
00:28:43,346 --> 00:28:45,348
I thought maybe
I could get the Trans-Am
549
00:28:45,432 --> 00:28:46,432
up and running again.
550
00:28:49,519 --> 00:28:50,812
I wanted to help,
so I came home.
551
00:28:55,191 --> 00:28:56,526
I hope that's okay?
552
00:29:01,823 --> 00:29:03,074
I'm glad you're here.
553
00:29:05,535 --> 00:29:07,287
- Your Honor, how are you?
- Great. Great.
554
00:29:07,370 --> 00:29:09,810
- Are we ready to bring in the jurors?
- I believe we are.
555
00:29:11,749 --> 00:29:14,961
Darren,
please bring in the jurors.
556
00:29:15,044 --> 00:29:16,671
Alright, let's go, people.
557
00:29:23,470 --> 00:29:24,554
Here you go.
558
00:29:32,687 --> 00:29:35,064
What would you say
is a storyteller's job?
559
00:29:37,066 --> 00:29:38,776
Hmm.
560
00:29:38,860 --> 00:29:39,152
What do you mean?
561
00:29:39,235 --> 00:29:41,488
This way.
562
00:29:41,571 --> 00:29:43,865
I mean, should
he present the truth
563
00:29:44,407 --> 00:29:46,075
as he sees it?
564
00:29:48,161 --> 00:29:50,455
Or is persuasion
also part of his job?
565
00:29:51,664 --> 00:29:55,251
Maybe she can do both.
566
00:29:55,335 --> 00:29:56,169
But, you know, in my experience,
567
00:29:56,252 --> 00:29:58,463
people don't like
to be persuaded.
568
00:30:03,259 --> 00:30:06,763
So the storyteller must accept
that she can control
569
00:30:06,846 --> 00:30:09,015
what the story says
570
00:30:09,098 --> 00:30:11,559
but not how it is read.
571
00:30:28,701 --> 00:30:30,578
You can only
show what looks to you
572
00:30:30,662 --> 00:30:31,704
like the truth...
573
00:30:33,831 --> 00:30:37,126
knowing that it may look
to someone else like a lie.
574
00:30:39,379 --> 00:30:41,130
I swung my weapon at you.
575
00:30:42,632 --> 00:30:45,885
And here you can see
the cast-off pattern.
576
00:30:46,928 --> 00:30:48,179
We found no cast-off
577
00:30:48,263 --> 00:30:50,014
in the staircase
at the Peterson house.
578
00:30:51,266 --> 00:30:53,393
And what do you make
579
00:30:53,476 --> 00:30:56,396
of the blood spatter
580
00:30:56,479 --> 00:31:00,066
that you did find, Dr. Lee?
581
00:31:00,149 --> 00:31:04,028
That it
is plentiful and chaotic,
582
00:31:04,112 --> 00:31:07,907
like someone coughing,
shaking her head,
583
00:31:07,991 --> 00:31:10,034
moving around.
584
00:31:10,118 --> 00:31:11,953
Not an organized attack.
585
00:31:13,079 --> 00:31:14,330
Hey, Rain Man.
586
00:31:14,414 --> 00:31:16,207
So in your
opinion, Dr. Lee...
587
00:31:16,291 --> 00:31:17,643
- Knock it off.
- Would you say
588
00:31:17,667 --> 00:31:21,421
Kathleen's death
was an accident?
589
00:31:21,504 --> 00:31:22,755
In my opinion, yes.
590
00:31:22,839 --> 00:31:27,510
The scene is more consistent
with a fall.
591
00:31:27,594 --> 00:31:30,471
There was simply way
too much blood for beating.
592
00:31:30,555 --> 00:31:31,973
I mean...
593
00:31:34,434 --> 00:31:37,812
You oppose SBI agent
Duane Deaver's findings?
594
00:31:37,895 --> 00:31:40,523
But didn't you recently
complement his skills
595
00:31:40,607 --> 00:31:42,400
as a blood spatter analyst?
596
00:31:42,483 --> 00:31:44,611
I don't recall.
597
00:31:44,694 --> 00:31:45,695
Okay.
598
00:31:45,778 --> 00:31:48,865
Do you recall giving him
a copy of your book?
599
00:31:50,742 --> 00:31:51,868
Oh yes.
600
00:31:51,951 --> 00:31:53,119
May I approach, Your Honor?
601
00:31:53,202 --> 00:31:55,079
- You may.
- Thank you.
602
00:32:01,085 --> 00:32:03,171
Please read this inscription
right here.
603
00:32:06,049 --> 00:32:10,219
"To Agent Deaver,
one of the best.
604
00:32:10,303 --> 00:32:13,765
Keep up the good work.
Sincerely, Dr. Henry Lee."
605
00:32:13,848 --> 00:32:15,308
Thank you.
606
00:32:20,355 --> 00:32:23,733
You wouldn't write that if you
didn't feel that way, would you?
607
00:32:23,816 --> 00:32:24,816
Well...
608
00:32:26,319 --> 00:32:27,320
I give everyone courtesy.
609
00:32:27,403 --> 00:32:29,656
That's Chinese culture.
610
00:32:29,739 --> 00:32:32,659
Uh, what was I
supposed to write,
611
00:32:32,742 --> 00:32:35,995
"Dear Duane.
Don't quit your day job"?
612
00:32:45,421 --> 00:32:47,298
Dr. Lee,
613
00:32:47,382 --> 00:32:50,093
you can't definitively
rule out a beating
614
00:32:50,176 --> 00:32:52,303
in the death
of Kathleen Peterson, can you?
615
00:32:52,387 --> 00:32:54,722
No.
616
00:32:54,806 --> 00:32:56,057
But no one can.
617
00:32:59,644 --> 00:33:01,229
Thank you. That's all.
618
00:33:06,776 --> 00:33:08,528
It's an outrage.
619
00:33:08,611 --> 00:33:09,737
Pure and simple.
620
00:33:09,821 --> 00:33:11,989
So I think we take some fund,
621
00:33:12,073 --> 00:33:13,616
form an exploratory committee,
622
00:33:13,700 --> 00:33:16,327
and see if we can find out
623
00:33:16,411 --> 00:33:18,579
what went wrong.
624
00:33:18,663 --> 00:33:20,463
See, that's
exactly the sort of answer
625
00:33:20,540 --> 00:33:22,959
I want to change.
626
00:33:23,042 --> 00:33:26,546
Maybe discussing
potentially evaluating
627
00:33:26,629 --> 00:33:28,339
actually doing something.
628
00:33:28,423 --> 00:33:31,342
- Now...
- I want to talk about the lie.
629
00:33:31,426 --> 00:33:33,845
Uh, sir, you need
to submit questions.
630
00:33:33,928 --> 00:33:36,848
You said you received
a Purple Heart in Vietnam.
631
00:33:36,931 --> 00:33:38,433
- Sir...
- Now, now, hold on a minute.
632
00:33:38,516 --> 00:33:39,892
Man: That's a sacred thing.
633
00:33:39,976 --> 00:33:42,103
And you know what? You didn't.
634
00:33:42,186 --> 00:33:44,814
- Sir, if you can just take a seat?
- Can I be heard?
635
00:33:44,897 --> 00:33:47,692
Man: That's not something
you make a mistake about.
636
00:33:47,775 --> 00:33:49,378
- No, sir.
- If you would like to submit a question...
637
00:33:49,402 --> 00:33:52,238
You lied! He lied! He lied!
638
00:33:52,321 --> 00:33:54,321
If you could
just calm down, please, sir?
639
00:34:16,429 --> 00:34:19,390
And to top it all off,
640
00:34:19,474 --> 00:34:20,850
we have an
imaginary murder weapon.
641
00:34:20,933 --> 00:34:25,104
So, uh, at the risk
of tempting fate,
642
00:34:25,188 --> 00:34:27,607
I think Tom would agree that
we are about ready to close.
643
00:34:27,690 --> 00:34:30,777
- Yes?
- I want to testify.
644
00:34:38,034 --> 00:34:41,579
Look, Mike, uh,
we've been over this.
645
00:34:41,662 --> 00:34:43,956
No. They, they don't know me.
646
00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:45,625
Who doesn't know you, Mike?
647
00:34:45,708 --> 00:34:47,585
No, the jury.
648
00:34:47,668 --> 00:34:49,670
Now, it's, it's my life
on the line here.
649
00:34:49,754 --> 00:34:52,048
And I want to tell my story.
650
00:34:52,131 --> 00:34:55,176
You know, tell them
how much I loved Kathleen.
651
00:34:55,259 --> 00:34:57,470
You know, I deserve
to be heard here, don't I?
652
00:34:57,553 --> 00:34:58,471
- Yeah. Dad's right.
- Clayton.
653
00:34:58,554 --> 00:35:00,389
- No, he deserves to talk.
- Come on. Come on.
654
00:35:00,473 --> 00:35:01,793
- He's the one on trial.
- Listen!
655
00:35:03,100 --> 00:35:05,978
Listen. I hear what
you're saying, Mike.
656
00:35:06,062 --> 00:35:07,063
I do.
657
00:35:07,146 --> 00:35:09,649
I... just listen
to me for a second.
658
00:35:09,732 --> 00:35:13,694
I know how nerves can flare up
at the eleventh hour.
659
00:35:13,778 --> 00:35:16,030
But we cannot let them
take the wheel.
660
00:35:18,491 --> 00:35:21,577
Your case is strong.
We just have to stay calm.
661
00:35:21,661 --> 00:35:23,037
See it through to the end.
662
00:35:35,258 --> 00:35:37,885
Come on, motherfucker!
Come on!
663
00:35:48,271 --> 00:35:49,313
Come on!
664
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:53,901
Yes!
665
00:36:00,908 --> 00:36:01,908
Fuck me!
666
00:36:14,589 --> 00:36:15,631
I found it. I found it.
667
00:36:15,715 --> 00:36:17,075
I found it.
I found it. I found it.
668
00:36:19,594 --> 00:36:20,594
I found it!
669
00:36:21,971 --> 00:36:25,933
I found the fucking blow poke!
670
00:36:26,017 --> 00:36:27,286
Clayton, don't
fuck with us right now.
671
00:36:27,310 --> 00:36:29,103
- Seriously, don't fuck with us.
- I am "us."
672
00:36:29,186 --> 00:36:30,646
Why would I fuck with us?
673
00:36:30,730 --> 00:36:32,607
I found it right there
just like that.
674
00:36:32,690 --> 00:36:35,401
You found it right there because
you fucking planted it right there.
675
00:36:35,484 --> 00:36:36,319
What? I didn't plant it!
676
00:36:36,402 --> 00:36:37,796
Jesus! What the fuck
is wrong with you?
677
00:36:37,820 --> 00:36:39,071
This is a good thing.
678
00:36:41,032 --> 00:36:43,451
It's not like
there's blood on it.
679
00:36:45,161 --> 00:36:47,121
Of course, there's
no fucking blood on it.
680
00:36:48,539 --> 00:36:50,833
You know what?
This is so classic you.
681
00:36:50,917 --> 00:36:52,603
You come home out of nowhere and
you come and you fuck up our shit.
682
00:36:52,627 --> 00:36:54,378
Would you both just shut up!
683
00:36:55,713 --> 00:36:56,881
Just shut up.
684
00:37:00,801 --> 00:37:02,303
I mean, I don't believe it.
685
00:37:03,721 --> 00:37:06,098
How many times
did they search this place?
686
00:37:10,353 --> 00:37:11,479
I should call Dave, right?
687
00:37:16,525 --> 00:37:17,693
Dad?
688
00:37:22,615 --> 00:37:23,695
She must have put it there.
689
00:37:26,661 --> 00:37:28,996
Look, Mike, the thing's intact.
690
00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:30,331
There's no blood.
691
00:37:30,957 --> 00:37:33,250
This could be good,
692
00:37:33,334 --> 00:37:34,001
provided you're telling
the truth.
693
00:37:34,085 --> 00:37:36,379
Well, of course, I am. Jesus!
694
00:37:36,462 --> 00:37:39,966
Alright, so we hold
all the cards here, right?
695
00:37:40,049 --> 00:37:41,717
This works for us.
696
00:37:41,801 --> 00:37:44,553
The DA says the blow poke's
the murder weapon.
697
00:37:44,637 --> 00:37:46,263
We prove him wrong.
It's right here.
698
00:37:46,347 --> 00:37:48,015
It's fucking clean.
699
00:37:48,099 --> 00:37:49,600
What else are they wrong about?
700
00:37:49,934 --> 00:37:51,519
Right?
701
00:37:52,853 --> 00:37:54,493
Now, if you can
answer these next ones
702
00:37:54,563 --> 00:37:56,440
just as truthfully as you can.
703
00:37:56,524 --> 00:37:58,734
Alright? Because if we
put you on the stand
704
00:37:58,818 --> 00:38:00,528
to say how you found
the blow poke,
705
00:38:00,611 --> 00:38:04,323
Hardin will zero in
on any uncertainty,
706
00:38:04,407 --> 00:38:06,367
any, um, evasion.
707
00:38:06,450 --> 00:38:08,369
Right. Of course. You got it.
708
00:38:08,452 --> 00:38:09,662
Okay.
709
00:38:10,037 --> 00:38:11,414
Alright.
710
00:38:11,497 --> 00:38:14,417
So I understand you have a DUI
711
00:38:14,500 --> 00:38:15,700
on your record, is that right?
712
00:38:17,044 --> 00:38:19,130
Two DUls?
713
00:38:19,213 --> 00:38:22,508
Good. Uh, always be honest.
Don't let him catch you lying.
714
00:38:22,591 --> 00:38:24,176
Alright.
715
00:38:24,260 --> 00:38:28,556
Uh, April 1994, you were
a sophomore in college.
716
00:38:28,639 --> 00:38:30,933
Got in a little trouble,
is that right?
717
00:38:31,017 --> 00:38:34,103
Yep. Went on spring break.
718
00:38:34,186 --> 00:38:36,188
Right.
719
00:38:36,272 --> 00:38:39,025
And, uh, how much
prison time ultimately
720
00:38:39,108 --> 00:38:41,235
did you end up
spending for planting
721
00:38:41,318 --> 00:38:42,403
those pipe bombs in Duke?
722
00:38:45,781 --> 00:38:47,033
Well, they didn't go off.
723
00:38:47,116 --> 00:38:48,302
To be fair,
they weren't designed to.
724
00:38:48,326 --> 00:38:49,201
They were just like a diversion
725
00:38:49,285 --> 00:38:52,079
so I could get
to the laminating machine.
726
00:38:52,163 --> 00:38:53,456
Wait, the laminating machine?
727
00:38:53,539 --> 00:38:54,832
- Here we go.
- Yeah.
728
00:38:54,915 --> 00:38:57,460
To make fake IDs
729
00:38:57,543 --> 00:39:00,087
to get beers for me
and my buddies.
730
00:39:00,171 --> 00:39:03,799
But it was... uh, four years.
731
00:39:03,883 --> 00:39:06,177
All told, four years
in Fed for the bombs.
732
00:39:06,260 --> 00:39:08,905
It wouldn't have been that long except
they found more here in my room.
733
00:39:08,929 --> 00:39:10,347
More bombs?
734
00:39:12,099 --> 00:39:14,393
Do, do we really need
an audience?
735
00:39:14,477 --> 00:39:17,188
Uh, well, you're
going to have one in court.
736
00:39:17,271 --> 00:39:19,899
My son is finishing
his second master's in May.
737
00:39:19,982 --> 00:39:20,982
Computer engineering.
738
00:39:22,359 --> 00:39:24,528
That's great.
Turning over a new leaf.
739
00:39:26,113 --> 00:39:28,908
But, um, while we are
still on the old one,
740
00:39:30,326 --> 00:39:34,038
I need to ask you
about July 4th, 2001.
741
00:39:34,121 --> 00:39:37,083
Oh yeah.
I, I was drunk, I guess.
742
00:39:37,166 --> 00:39:40,086
And me and Becky had a fight.
She called the cops.
743
00:39:42,213 --> 00:39:43,297
Because?
744
00:39:46,300 --> 00:39:47,593
You hit her, correct?
745
00:39:51,013 --> 00:39:52,407
We had a fight,
and I shoved her once.
746
00:39:52,431 --> 00:39:56,143
Not hit. She called the cops,
but she forgave me.
747
00:39:56,227 --> 00:39:57,704
- We're, we're engaged now.
- H-h-hang on.
748
00:39:57,728 --> 00:39:59,980
Tom, h-how can they
even bring that in?
749
00:40:01,524 --> 00:40:05,444
Uh, look, they get a whiff
of domestic violence,
750
00:40:05,528 --> 00:40:08,697
this could be
a real issue for us,
751
00:40:08,781 --> 00:40:10,116
given what Agnes has alleged.
752
00:40:10,199 --> 00:40:12,451
Victims often become
the abusers.
753
00:40:12,535 --> 00:40:16,831
Right? They'll ask,
did your father ever hit you?
754
00:40:16,914 --> 00:40:19,208
- What?
- Ever hit Kathleen?
755
00:40:19,291 --> 00:40:21,836
No, my dad never hit anyone.
I would have seen.
756
00:40:21,919 --> 00:40:22,795
Okay, but maybe there
are things that happened
757
00:40:22,878 --> 00:40:24,713
in this house
that you don't know about.
758
00:40:27,383 --> 00:40:30,219
You're aware that the state
has pornographic photos
759
00:40:30,302 --> 00:40:33,973
and videos
from your dad's computer.
760
00:40:34,056 --> 00:40:37,059
Did you know anything
about that prior to the trial?
761
00:40:37,143 --> 00:40:40,646
Uh, about any of what?
Can you be more specific?
762
00:40:40,729 --> 00:40:42,356
Uh, his sexuality.
763
00:40:42,439 --> 00:40:43,691
Oh, well...
764
00:40:45,609 --> 00:40:47,903
he's a pretty sexual person.
765
00:40:47,987 --> 00:40:49,965
I was always jealous of him
and Kathleen's sex life.
766
00:40:49,989 --> 00:40:51,282
Ew! Oh my God.
767
00:40:51,365 --> 00:40:52,908
Jesus Christ, Clayton.
768
00:40:52,992 --> 00:40:54,660
What, Todd?
Nothing but the truth.
769
00:40:54,743 --> 00:40:56,996
Okay. R-right.
Uh, specifically,
770
00:40:57,079 --> 00:40:58,956
were you aware
of his interest in men?
771
00:41:03,002 --> 00:41:04,420
I-I mean,
we never talked about it.
772
00:41:06,755 --> 00:41:09,425
Because a son's role is not
to question his father, right?
773
00:41:10,593 --> 00:41:12,428
But I walked in on him
jacking off once
774
00:41:12,511 --> 00:41:15,556
to something kind of gay.
775
00:41:15,639 --> 00:41:18,684
- What?
- Petersons are fucking crazy.
776
00:41:18,767 --> 00:41:20,227
What do you mean, the Petersons?
777
00:41:20,311 --> 00:41:21,228
I mean, you and Todd and Dad.
778
00:41:21,312 --> 00:41:24,148
Like, why can't you guys
just be normal?
779
00:41:24,231 --> 00:41:26,084
Margie, can you keep
your little sister in check?
780
00:41:26,108 --> 00:41:27,794
No, she's right. I'm sick
of defending you guys, too.
781
00:41:27,818 --> 00:41:31,739
Oh, really? Really. You're going
to say that in front of our mother?
782
00:41:31,822 --> 00:41:33,542
Our mother, that took
you in off the street.
783
00:41:33,616 --> 00:41:35,618
Well, all you do
is hit her up for money.
784
00:41:35,701 --> 00:41:36,410
You guys make everything worse.
785
00:41:36,493 --> 00:41:39,371
You rack up debt.
You embarrass us.
786
00:41:39,455 --> 00:41:41,095
- I mean, how are we supposed to...
- Hey!
787
00:41:43,125 --> 00:41:45,085
I run a successful website.
788
00:41:45,169 --> 00:41:47,880
You sound like a psychopath!
789
00:41:53,135 --> 00:41:55,554
I beg your pardon, Michael.
790
00:41:57,640 --> 00:41:59,016
It's the children.
791
00:41:59,099 --> 00:42:01,518
You'd be in some fucked-up
German brothel right now, okay?
792
00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:06,565
- Hey!
- I said, be quiet!
793
00:42:06,649 --> 00:42:08,567
That's enough!
794
00:42:12,988 --> 00:42:14,240
Clay's not testifying.
795
00:42:14,323 --> 00:42:16,867
- But, Dad...
- Forget it!
796
00:42:16,951 --> 00:42:21,789
If anyone is going to testify
about this fucking blow poke,
797
00:42:21,872 --> 00:42:25,459
it's going to be me!
And I am going to testify.
798
00:42:25,542 --> 00:42:27,312
For the good of my case,
for the good of this family.
799
00:42:27,336 --> 00:42:30,297
And before we all
fucking kill each other.
800
00:42:41,517 --> 00:42:44,436
Should have just stayed
in Baltimore.
801
00:42:52,569 --> 00:42:55,239
No use trying, David.
My mind's made up.
802
00:42:55,322 --> 00:42:56,115
Uh-huh.
803
00:42:56,198 --> 00:42:58,200
Well, maybe you're right.
804
00:42:58,284 --> 00:43:00,661
Can we talk it through?
805
00:43:01,870 --> 00:43:05,416
They are going to ask you
806
00:43:05,499 --> 00:43:07,543
about the Purple Heart
807
00:43:08,544 --> 00:43:10,838
to establish a pattern of lying.
808
00:43:10,921 --> 00:43:12,256
Well, I...
809
00:43:13,048 --> 00:43:14,208
it's true, I lied about that.
810
00:43:14,258 --> 00:43:17,886
About being injured in Vietnam.
811
00:43:17,970 --> 00:43:22,433
And you told everyone,
including Kathleen,
812
00:43:22,516 --> 00:43:25,769
that for your bravery,
you earned a Purple Heart?
813
00:43:26,979 --> 00:43:29,106
Why, Mike?
814
00:43:29,857 --> 00:43:30,857
Because...
815
00:43:32,651 --> 00:43:33,736
I was injured,
816
00:43:35,029 --> 00:43:36,029
just not in the war.
817
00:43:37,239 --> 00:43:38,615
It was afterward.
818
00:43:38,699 --> 00:43:41,368
A car accident when
I was stationed in Japan.
819
00:43:42,411 --> 00:43:45,039
But I do have a Silver Star.
820
00:43:45,122 --> 00:43:47,166
And a Bronze Star, with valor,
821
00:43:47,249 --> 00:43:50,336
because... once...
822
00:43:52,254 --> 00:43:55,215
a marine in my command
was blown up by a grenade.
823
00:44:01,096 --> 00:44:02,181
Here.
824
00:44:03,557 --> 00:44:04,557
John Cuddy.
825
00:44:09,938 --> 00:44:12,149
We were close.
826
00:44:12,232 --> 00:44:14,152
I dragged his mutilated body
back to the foxhole.
827
00:44:19,198 --> 00:44:21,325
He died in my arms.
828
00:44:23,452 --> 00:44:24,452
So did Kathleen.
829
00:44:30,292 --> 00:44:32,461
You learn CPR
in the military, don't you?
830
00:44:33,337 --> 00:44:35,214
Yes.
831
00:44:35,297 --> 00:44:37,341
Well, when you
first called 911...
832
00:44:38,634 --> 00:44:42,262
you said Kathleen
was still breathing.
833
00:44:43,931 --> 00:44:46,350
Then you called back
834
00:44:46,433 --> 00:44:47,993
a couple minutes later,
said she wasn't.
835
00:44:48,060 --> 00:44:49,561
In between, did you perform CPR?
836
00:44:50,979 --> 00:44:51,980
No.
837
00:44:52,815 --> 00:44:55,150
- No. I was in shock.
- Shock?
838
00:44:57,236 --> 00:44:59,196
Vietnam vet.
839
00:44:59,279 --> 00:45:00,739
Bunch of different colored stars
840
00:45:00,823 --> 00:45:03,075
and obviously saw combat.
841
00:45:03,158 --> 00:45:04,785
You went into shock?
842
00:45:07,996 --> 00:45:10,874
It wasn't like war.
It wasn't like anything.
843
00:45:11,750 --> 00:45:13,335
It was just,
844
00:45:13,419 --> 00:45:14,461
just her...
845
00:45:16,004 --> 00:45:17,297
in pain...
846
00:45:19,049 --> 00:45:20,884
leaving me...
847
00:45:23,470 --> 00:45:24,888
and me begging her not to go
848
00:45:24,972 --> 00:45:27,433
and... she wouldn't listen.
849
00:45:30,185 --> 00:45:31,545
It was the worst moment
of my life.
850
00:45:34,064 --> 00:45:35,399
I believe you, Mike.
851
00:45:36,942 --> 00:45:39,611
But how does a jury know
852
00:45:39,695 --> 00:45:42,239
it's not just
another Purple Heart?
853
00:45:45,367 --> 00:45:46,869
Not just another lie.
854
00:45:48,871 --> 00:45:50,539
I want to leave it
up to you, I do.
855
00:45:50,622 --> 00:45:52,040
I mean, it's your life.
856
00:45:52,124 --> 00:45:54,460
But I can get the blow poke in
857
00:45:54,543 --> 00:45:55,603
without putting you
or Clay on the stand,
858
00:45:55,627 --> 00:45:58,714
and your case
won't suffer for it.
859
00:45:58,797 --> 00:45:59,877
But if I don't tell them...
860
00:46:02,593 --> 00:46:03,886
how will they know?
861
00:46:13,061 --> 00:46:14,438
Let me know what you decide.
862
00:46:24,573 --> 00:46:25,573
Dad.
863
00:46:27,784 --> 00:46:28,952
It's fine, Clay.
864
00:46:38,003 --> 00:46:38,879
A coup for the defense today
865
00:46:38,962 --> 00:46:40,672
at the tail end
of the Peterson trial
866
00:46:40,756 --> 00:46:44,301
as the alleged murder weapon
has surfaced.
867
00:46:44,384 --> 00:46:45,844
Rudolf has produced
868
00:46:45,928 --> 00:46:48,138
the so-called missing blow poke,
869
00:46:48,222 --> 00:46:50,307
arguing that Durham PD
did not search
870
00:46:50,390 --> 00:46:51,517
thoroughly enough for it
871
00:46:51,600 --> 00:46:53,519
and failed to ever ask
the defense
872
00:46:53,602 --> 00:46:54,853
whether it had been found.
873
00:46:54,937 --> 00:46:56,813
Alright. Does this appear
to be the blow poke
874
00:46:56,897 --> 00:46:59,733
that Mr. Hardin mentioned
in his opening statement
875
00:47:01,443 --> 00:47:04,071
as being mysteriously missing?
876
00:47:06,281 --> 00:47:07,281
Yes, it does.
877
00:47:08,742 --> 00:47:10,994
Thank you. No further questions,
Your Honor.
878
00:47:13,163 --> 00:47:14,581
You may be dismissed.
879
00:47:15,958 --> 00:47:17,084
Alright.
880
00:47:17,167 --> 00:47:19,962
Does that witness conclude
your case, Mr. Rudolf?
881
00:47:37,312 --> 00:47:38,312
Yes, it does, Your Honor.
882
00:47:39,856 --> 00:47:41,191
The defense rests.
883
00:47:49,366 --> 00:47:52,244
Though it's not yet clear whether
this ninth-inning discovery
884
00:47:52,327 --> 00:47:54,913
has given the jury
more questions or answers,
885
00:47:54,997 --> 00:47:56,832
it certainly
has changed the game.
886
00:47:56,915 --> 00:47:57,916
Sneaky shits.
887
00:47:58,000 --> 00:47:59,376
Caitlin Atwater:
Ultimately, um,
888
00:47:59,459 --> 00:48:00,770
you know what,
it doesn't change the autopsy.
889
00:48:00,794 --> 00:48:03,589
My mother was beaten to death,
whether it be with a blow poke
890
00:48:03,672 --> 00:48:05,591
or something else,
and Michael Peterson did it.
891
00:48:05,674 --> 00:48:07,175
Amen, sweetheart.
892
00:48:07,259 --> 00:48:09,379
Caitlin Peterson,
where was the weapon found?
893
00:48:10,887 --> 00:48:11,638
Okay. How does this bit sound?
894
00:48:11,722 --> 00:48:15,392
Do you really think
Kathleen knew
895
00:48:15,475 --> 00:48:17,394
Michael was bisexual?
896
00:48:19,479 --> 00:48:21,690
Does that make
common sense to you?
897
00:48:21,773 --> 00:48:25,319
Do you think
it was okay with her
898
00:48:25,402 --> 00:48:27,195
that he was writing
those emails to Brad?
899
00:48:28,363 --> 00:48:29,239
I'm not even going to mention
900
00:48:29,323 --> 00:48:32,034
the rest of what we found
on his computer
901
00:48:32,117 --> 00:48:34,036
because it is obscene.
902
00:48:34,119 --> 00:48:35,829
I-I'm sorry. Obscene?
903
00:48:37,039 --> 00:48:38,039
Obscene.
904
00:48:38,957 --> 00:48:40,542
Is that the best
we got for this guy?
905
00:48:40,626 --> 00:48:44,463
No, he beat his wife like a dog!
906
00:48:44,546 --> 00:48:46,089
I want to nail his ass
to the wall.
907
00:48:59,603 --> 00:49:00,479
Not to mention
908
00:49:00,562 --> 00:49:05,108
the rest of what we found
909
00:49:05,192 --> 00:49:07,235
on Mr. Peterson's computer,
910
00:49:08,236 --> 00:49:09,905
because it is filth.
911
00:49:14,743 --> 00:49:17,162
Pure-T... filth.
912
00:49:29,591 --> 00:49:32,761
This is hardcore porn.
913
00:49:37,557 --> 00:49:40,102
This ain't people involved
in relationships.
914
00:49:40,185 --> 00:49:41,265
This is just any-which-way.
915
00:49:43,021 --> 00:49:47,609
And it is not how
so-called soul mates...
916
00:49:47,693 --> 00:49:49,861
conduct themselves.
917
00:49:49,945 --> 00:49:52,197
Your job is not to decide
918
00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:54,366
whether Michael is innocent.
919
00:49:54,449 --> 00:49:55,617
Your job is to decide
920
00:49:55,701 --> 00:49:58,412
whether the prosecution
921
00:49:58,495 --> 00:50:02,332
has sufficiently proven guilt.
922
00:50:02,958 --> 00:50:04,000
Which they have not.
923
00:50:05,836 --> 00:50:08,630
Their case is riddled
with holes,
924
00:50:08,714 --> 00:50:12,342
unanswered questions,
925
00:50:12,426 --> 00:50:15,679
doubt after reasonable doubt.
926
00:50:24,396 --> 00:50:25,397
The missing murder weapon
927
00:50:25,480 --> 00:50:27,983
isn't missing.
928
00:50:29,317 --> 00:50:31,027
And it was never used...
929
00:50:32,821 --> 00:50:34,072
in a murder.
930
00:50:36,158 --> 00:50:38,952
There is no credible motive.
931
00:50:39,035 --> 00:50:42,372
And you don't just decide
to kill your wife for no reason.
932
00:50:43,832 --> 00:50:45,584
I think about
that old expression,
933
00:50:45,667 --> 00:50:47,669
what if these walls could talk?
934
00:50:47,753 --> 00:50:49,755
Ladies and gentlemen,
935
00:50:49,838 --> 00:50:50,589
the people contend to you
936
00:50:50,672 --> 00:50:52,507
that these walls are talking.
937
00:50:52,591 --> 00:50:55,385
Kathleen Peterson
938
00:50:56,595 --> 00:50:58,472
is talking to us
through the blood
939
00:50:58,555 --> 00:51:01,558
on these walls.
940
00:51:01,641 --> 00:51:04,269
She is screaming out
941
00:51:04,352 --> 00:51:07,314
for truth and for justice.
942
00:51:07,397 --> 00:51:09,274
The defense has told us
943
00:51:09,357 --> 00:51:11,943
Kathleen Peterson died
in an accident.
944
00:51:14,404 --> 00:51:15,404
But Kathleen
945
00:51:16,531 --> 00:51:17,531
is telling us
946
00:51:18,867 --> 00:51:20,202
she died of murder.
947
00:51:23,872 --> 00:51:26,374
Kathleen was my life.
948
00:51:26,458 --> 00:51:28,960
I've whispered her name
in my heart a thousand times.
949
00:51:32,714 --> 00:51:34,474
I would never have done
anything to hurt her.
950
00:51:37,886 --> 00:51:40,555
And we will prove it in cour.
951
00:51:40,639 --> 00:51:42,516
December 21st, 2001,
952
00:51:42,599 --> 00:51:44,976
Michael Peterson turned
himself in to the police.
953
00:51:45,060 --> 00:51:46,686
Only five years earlier,
954
00:51:46,770 --> 00:51:48,539
the future looked bright
for Michael and Kathleen,
955
00:51:48,563 --> 00:51:51,608
getting married at their Forest
Hills mansion with family.
956
00:51:51,691 --> 00:51:54,820
To Kathleen, our sister.
957
00:51:55,362 --> 00:51:57,447
And to Michael,
958
00:51:58,573 --> 00:52:00,617
our new brother.
959
00:52:00,700 --> 00:52:02,828
Kathleen's
sisters now find themselves
960
00:52:02,911 --> 00:52:04,496
standing with the prosecutio,
961
00:52:04,579 --> 00:52:05,872
hoping for the jury to delivr
962
00:52:05,956 --> 00:52:07,958
some justice for their siste.
963
00:52:08,041 --> 00:52:10,627
Well, it's going to
be a beautiful sunny day today.
964
00:52:10,710 --> 00:52:12,629
And we can expect
much more of the same
965
00:52:12,712 --> 00:52:13,964
over the next couple of days.
966
00:52:14,047 --> 00:52:14,339
You might want
to do something...
967
00:52:14,422 --> 00:52:16,216
Todd?
968
00:52:18,552 --> 00:52:19,552
Margaret?
969
00:52:22,013 --> 00:52:23,265
Kids?
970
00:52:57,507 --> 00:52:59,427
Ms. Forewoman,
would you please pass
971
00:52:59,467 --> 00:53:00,467
the bailiff the verdict?
972
00:53:04,222 --> 00:53:05,222
Thank you.
973
00:53:30,749 --> 00:53:33,501
Now, if you think you're going
to have difficulty
974
00:53:33,585 --> 00:53:34,920
accepting the jury's verdict,
975
00:53:35,003 --> 00:53:37,964
we're going to give you
an opportunity
976
00:53:38,048 --> 00:53:39,299
to leave right now.
977
00:53:44,930 --> 00:53:46,181
Alright, Ms. Clerk.
978
00:53:49,017 --> 00:53:50,644
Ladies and gentlemen
of the jury,
979
00:53:50,727 --> 00:53:52,729
you have returned
the following verdict
980
00:53:52,812 --> 00:53:54,564
in the case of
State of North Carolina
981
00:53:54,648 --> 00:53:56,358
versus Michael Iver Peterson.
982
00:53:58,109 --> 00:54:02,405
And...
that's all she wrote.
983
00:54:05,659 --> 00:54:06,701
Want to grab another?
984
00:54:07,577 --> 00:54:09,496
We got that nice pinot
from Bill.
985
00:54:09,579 --> 00:54:12,040
Mm. I should
really call it a day.
986
00:54:13,333 --> 00:54:15,961
I still have
to check that email.
987
00:54:16,044 --> 00:54:18,463
Well, I don't know who you are,
988
00:54:18,546 --> 00:54:21,466
but my wife never says no
to a second bottle.
989
00:54:21,549 --> 00:54:24,010
Oh, she sounds fun.
990
00:54:24,094 --> 00:54:25,345
She is.
991
00:56:29,677 --> 00:56:31,513
Oh hey.
992
00:56:35,683 --> 00:56:36,726
You're still up.
993
00:56:42,857 --> 00:56:44,651
What's up?
994
00:56:47,570 --> 00:56:48,570
Kathleen?
995
00:56:50,198 --> 00:56:52,200
I always knew, I think,
996
00:56:53,034 --> 00:56:54,369
somewhere underneath.
997
00:56:55,912 --> 00:56:57,014
I mean, who knows,
maybe I even liked it.
998
00:56:57,038 --> 00:56:59,207
What are you talking about?
999
00:57:04,838 --> 00:57:06,089
Why didn't you tell me?
1000
00:57:08,216 --> 00:57:10,510
You could have told me.
It could have been our secret.
1001
00:57:10,593 --> 00:57:11,593
I think...
1002
00:57:12,595 --> 00:57:14,681
Yeah, I-I think I could
have lived with that.
1003
00:57:14,764 --> 00:57:16,933
Kathleen, come on.
What are you talking about?
1004
00:57:21,396 --> 00:57:22,605
I'm talking...
1005
00:57:26,151 --> 00:57:28,736
I'm talking about the porn...
1006
00:57:30,071 --> 00:57:31,906
and the escorts and the men,
1007
00:57:31,990 --> 00:57:34,826
the men, the men!
1008
00:57:40,290 --> 00:57:42,375
Whatever you think you saw...
1009
00:57:42,959 --> 00:57:44,878
you're drunk.
1010
00:57:44,961 --> 00:57:46,963
I'm a writer.
1011
00:57:47,797 --> 00:57:49,716
Alright?
1012
00:57:51,050 --> 00:57:52,468
It's called research.
1013
00:57:52,552 --> 00:57:54,012
Research?
1014
00:57:54,095 --> 00:57:55,346
Oh my God.
1015
00:57:56,556 --> 00:57:58,600
Stop lying, Michael.
1016
00:57:59,726 --> 00:58:03,229
Oh, God, the lying!
1017
00:58:03,313 --> 00:58:06,691
The arrogance, the selfishness.
1018
00:58:06,774 --> 00:58:07,775
I mean, Jesus!
1019
00:58:07,859 --> 00:58:11,196
You have managed me
and humiliated me,
1020
00:58:11,279 --> 00:58:12,989
and I swore to myself
that I would never be
1021
00:58:13,072 --> 00:58:15,283
this woman again,
this fucking victim.
1022
00:58:15,366 --> 00:58:16,201
Kathleen, come on. Come on.
1023
00:58:16,284 --> 00:58:18,453
This is ridiculous.
Let's just...
1024
00:58:18,536 --> 00:58:20,371
Oh no, you don't, pal.
Not this time.
1025
00:58:20,455 --> 00:58:23,082
No, no, you don't get to Michael
Peterson your way out of this.
1026
00:58:23,166 --> 00:58:24,876
- Listen to me.
- No.
1027
00:58:24,959 --> 00:58:27,462
No, you listen to me!
1028
00:58:41,935 --> 00:58:44,771
I am, I am your wife.
1029
00:58:52,820 --> 00:58:54,781
And I'm, I'm leaving you.
1030
00:58:55,323 --> 00:58:57,408
No, you're not.
1031
00:58:57,492 --> 00:59:00,078
You're, you're tired
and you're drunk...
1032
00:59:00,161 --> 00:59:01,079
I am not drunk!
Stop saying that.
1033
00:59:01,162 --> 00:59:04,624
I am not drunk. I am leaving!
1034
00:59:04,707 --> 00:59:06,960
I am done
playing house with you!
1035
00:59:07,043 --> 00:59:08,687
Lower your voice.
Lower your voice, Kathleen.
1036
00:59:08,711 --> 00:59:09,545
You are nothing
but a fucking fraud.
1037
00:59:09,629 --> 00:59:13,258
You are nothing
but a thief and a con man.
1038
00:59:13,341 --> 00:59:15,385
And you have nothing.
1039
00:59:15,468 --> 00:59:18,012
You are nothing.
Do you hear me, Michael?
1040
00:59:18,096 --> 00:59:20,014
I have given my whole life
1041
00:59:20,098 --> 00:59:21,242
to a pathetic
closet case nothing!
1042
00:59:21,266 --> 00:59:24,269
I said shut up!
1043
00:59:24,352 --> 00:59:25,352
Oh!
1044
00:59:31,401 --> 00:59:32,610
Stop!
1045
00:59:42,036 --> 00:59:43,036
Oh my God.
1046
00:59:45,039 --> 00:59:46,039
Oh God.
1047
00:59:46,082 --> 00:59:47,917
Kathleen. Fuck!
1048
00:59:49,669 --> 00:59:50,669
Just... Oh my God.
1049
00:59:54,507 --> 00:59:56,175
Oh fuck. Fuck!
1050
00:59:56,259 --> 00:59:57,259
Fuck.
1051
01:00:01,556 --> 01:00:03,141
Oh God.
1052
01:00:05,351 --> 01:00:08,563
Alright. Okay?
Here you go.
1053
01:00:08,646 --> 01:00:11,899
No. No, honey.
Honey, it's okay.
1054
01:00:11,983 --> 01:00:13,985
Here you go. You're okay.
1055
01:00:14,068 --> 01:00:15,987
You see? You're alright.
1056
01:00:16,070 --> 01:00:17,113
No, no, no.
1057
01:00:22,076 --> 01:00:23,202
You're alright. It's okay.
1058
01:00:24,162 --> 01:00:25,496
It's okay.
1059
01:00:25,580 --> 01:00:26,580
Uh, you tripped.
1060
01:00:52,482 --> 01:00:54,359
Oh God. Baby.
1061
01:00:58,738 --> 01:00:59,989
Honey, you're alright.
1062
01:01:00,782 --> 01:01:02,033
Okay. Okay.
1063
01:01:06,496 --> 01:01:08,623
Kathleen?
1064
01:01:09,999 --> 01:01:12,001
Kathleen.
1065
01:01:40,822 --> 01:01:42,907
Ms. Foreperson,
on behalf of the jury,
1066
01:01:42,990 --> 01:01:44,367
do you affirm this verdict?
1067
01:01:45,993 --> 01:01:47,495
Yes.
1068
01:01:50,164 --> 01:01:52,583
Mr. Peterson, would you
please stand where you are?
1069
01:01:57,422 --> 01:01:58,649
Is there anything
that you would like to say
1070
01:01:58,673 --> 01:02:00,633
before the court
imposes sentencing?
1071
01:02:02,969 --> 01:02:03,969
I would only...
1072
01:02:07,682 --> 01:02:08,933
It's okay.
1073
01:02:09,016 --> 01:02:10,852
It's okay.
1074
01:02:12,228 --> 01:02:14,480
It's okay.
1075
01:02:15,189 --> 01:02:16,482
It's okay.
1076
01:02:19,694 --> 01:02:22,005
Alright, Ms. Clerk,
the defendant is imprisoned
1077
01:02:22,029 --> 01:02:24,907
to the state of North Carolina
Department of Corrections
1078
01:02:24,991 --> 01:02:27,118
for the remainder
of his natural life
1079
01:02:27,201 --> 01:02:28,619
without the benefit of parole.
1080
01:02:30,705 --> 01:02:32,945
Bailiff, would you please take
the prisoner into custody?
1081
01:03:02,862 --> 01:03:03,905
Hold here.
1082
01:03:03,988 --> 01:03:05,490
You'll be taken outside
in a minute.
1083
01:03:36,229 --> 01:03:37,229
Not now, Jean. Please.
1084
01:03:55,623 --> 01:03:58,417
- Are you alright?
- No, I'm not.
1085
01:04:01,963 --> 01:04:03,756
I'm scared.
1086
01:04:08,219 --> 01:04:09,637
Okay, Sophie.
1087
01:04:12,640 --> 01:04:13,849
Let's try this again.
1088
01:04:16,561 --> 01:04:18,441
What is your relationship
with Michael Peterson?
1089
01:04:26,821 --> 01:04:28,823
Michael:: It's okay.
1090
01:04:28,906 --> 01:04:30,551
Mr. Peterson, would
you please stand where you are?
1091
01:04:30,575 --> 01:04:32,118
Alright, Ms. Clerk.
1092
01:04:32,201 --> 01:04:34,471
The defendant is imprisoned
to the state of North Carolina
1093
01:04:34,495 --> 01:04:37,331
Department of Corrections
1094
01:04:37,415 --> 01:04:39,417
for the remainder
of his natural life
1095
01:04:39,500 --> 01:04:40,793
without the benefit of parol.
1096
01:04:42,461 --> 01:04:43,939
Bailiff, would you please take
1097
01:04:43,963 --> 01:04:45,423
the prisoner into custody.
1098
01:04:45,506 --> 01:04:46,841
Dear Michael...
1099
01:04:46,924 --> 01:04:49,552
you don't know me,
but I know you.
1100
01:04:54,056 --> 01:04:56,392
I've followed your story
with bated breath,
1101
01:04:56,475 --> 01:04:58,769
hoping for the exoneration
you so deserve.
1102
01:05:02,064 --> 01:05:04,358
I know you're innocent
and that you and your family
1103
01:05:04,442 --> 01:05:07,153
have been failed
by a broken justice system.
1104
01:05:12,199 --> 01:05:14,243
I know because I've seen it,
1105
01:05:14,327 --> 01:05:15,995
moment by moment,
frame by frame.
1106
01:05:32,219 --> 01:05:35,640
And rest assured,
while you wait for freedom,
1107
01:05:35,723 --> 01:05:37,308
your story will be told.
1108
01:05:38,517 --> 01:05:39,977
I will tell it for you.
1109
01:05:41,062 --> 01:05:42,313
Sincerely yours,
1110
01:05:42,396 --> 01:05:43,689
Sophie.
1111
01:05:46,067 --> 01:05:47,067
Hm?
1112
01:05:52,573 --> 01:05:54,909
Kathleen and I
were watching a movie,
1113
01:05:54,992 --> 01:05:57,662
um, "America's Sweethearts."
1114
01:05:57,745 --> 01:06:00,456
I-I think it was probably
around 11 o'clock.
1115
01:06:00,873 --> 01:06:02,291
Um...
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